Israel’s ’60 Minutes’ attributes success of boycott movement to unending settlement of West Bank

Israel/Palestine

In “Boycott goes prime-time in Israel,” Larry Derner at +972 reports that the country’s leading news broadcast, Channel 2, covered the boycott movement in a fair manner, and attributed its growing success (it is damaging many Israeli businesses) not to anti-Semitism but to Israel’s policy of colonizing the West Bank.

And the show stated that the Israeli government is countering the movement with tired hasbara — propaganda — as always. I.e., that’s what leading American TV shows are giving Americans re boycott… Israeli propaganda. Derfner:

On Saturday night the boycott of Israel gained an impressive new level of mainstream recognition in this country. Channel 2 News, easily the most watched, most influential news program here, ran a heavily-promoted, 16-minute piece on the boycott in its 8 p.m. prime-time program. The piece was remarkable not only for its length and prominence, but even more so because it did not demonize the boycott movement, it didn’t blame the boycott on anti-Semitism or Israel-bashing. Instead, top-drawer reporter Dana Weiss treated the boycott as an established, rapidly growing presence that sprang up because of Israel’s settlement policy and whose only remedy is that policy’s reversal…

Weiss likewise ridicules Deputy Foreign Minister Ze’ev Elkin, who runs the government’s “hasbara war,” as he puts it. Weiss: “Yes, in the Foreign Ministry they are for the time being sticking to the old conception: it’s all a question of hasbara. This week the campaign’s new weapon, developed with the contributions of world Jewry: (Pause) Another hasbara agency, this time with the original name ‘Face To Israel.’” She quotes the co-owner of Psagot Winery saying the boycott is “nothing to get excited about,” that people have been boycotting Jews for 2,000 years, and concluding, “If you ask me, in the last 2,000 years, our situation today is the best it’s ever been.” That final phrase, along with what Weiss describes as Elkin’s “conceptzia,” are the same infamous words that Israelis associate with the fatal complacency that preceded the surprise Yom Kippur War.

78 Responses

  1. amigo
    January 19, 2014, 11:52 am

    This is good , good news.Thanks to all those Israel hating anti semites at 60 minutes.

    It is all oozing out slowly but surely.No amount of hasbara land fill will keep this dam from bursting.

  2. MahaneYehude1
    January 19, 2014, 12:02 pm

    The fact that the Israeli media starts to cover the story of the BDS movement and the boycott campaign, means that this issue became main issue in Israel. Many here, including members of parliament and governmental institutions, understand that the boycott is another kind of war against Israel, and in war like in war – Israel will soon take off the gloves and win this war as we won all the wars against us in the past.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 19, 2014, 1:23 pm

      well mehane, it’s going to take more than hasbara to win this war. so they’ve got some planning to do wrt changing policy.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 19, 2014, 1:36 pm

        @Annie;

        I agree that we don’t need “Hasbara” (like MW, for instance). Israel enters negotiations with the Palestinians and all this campaign is aimed to pressure Israel. Negotiation for peace, which I support, won’t succeed under pressure since Israel will not give up and bow for pressure, so the BDS is only an obstacle for peace.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 19, 2014, 7:51 pm

        Negotiation for peace, which I support, won’t succeed under pressure since Israel will not give up and bow for pressure, so the BDS is only an obstacle for peace.

        well the carrot diet we’ve been handing israel for the last few decades didn’t succeed in getting israel to “bow” either. israel is not interested in peace at the expense of expansion anyway, they’ve made that perfectly clear.

        besides, apartheid is an obstacle for peace. occupation is an obstacle for peace. maybe you worry your little head about that. start focusing on how israel is creating and maintaining obstacles to peace every second of every day. and we’ll take care of our end. BDS will not stop, in this you can be certain. so we may not achieve peace, but chances are we can put a little dent is israel’s expansion. wouldn’t that be loverly, as a start?

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 12:51 am

        @Annie:

        First, I very appreciate your substantive response which shows that we can exchange opinions on the issue only.

        besides, apartheid is an obstacle for peace. Occupation is an obstacle for peace.

        I wrote you many times that their is no apartheid in Israel but you insist to believe that we are apartheid state. You can ask the African asylum seekers and the “triangle” Israeli-Palestinians about the Israeli apartheid. I hope they will be honest to tell you the truth. About the occupation, I also wrote many times about this occupation forced on Israel by armies that wanted to see the end of the Jewish state.

        well the carrot diet we’ve been handing israel for the last few decades didn’t succeed in getting israel to “bow” either. israel is not interested in peace at the expense of expansion anyway, they’ve made that perfectly clear.

        In this case you wrong, Annie. An “expansionist state” doesn’t give up the Sinai peninsula to Egypt after peace negotiation (60,000 km2 compare to 20,000 km2 of Israel – three times fold). This “expansionist state” was ready to withdraw from the Golan heights for peace with Syria. My point is very clear: For peace, real peace, Israel is ready to give up. You may say it is Hasbara, but no! Israel did and is doing all efforts to achieve peace. It is the other side that can’t compromise and accept us in this neighborhood called the ME.

        BDS will not stop, in this you can be certain. so we may not achieve peace, but chances are we can put a little dent is israel’s expansion. wouldn’t that be loverly, as a start?

        OK, BDS won’t stop and, please, continue do your great job. I only afraid this campaign will achieve the opposite results. Why should the Palestinians enter peace negotiation with us, if they sure the BDS will do their job? Please, remember, that any one-sided achievement or decision, will only lead to the continuation of the conflict (see Gaza for instance). In this case, all sides will pay the price.

        Do I the only person think like that? One of the hostile states in Europe, Norway, thinks the same (believe it or not, I heard the channel two TV reporter reads this report from Yediot Aharonot newspaper while I wrote this comment):

        “Norway changes direction: Boycotting Israel would not help” (Hebrew):
        link to ynet.co.il

      • amigo
        January 20, 2014, 8:02 am

        “I agree that we don’t need “Hasbara” (like MW, for instance).” komrad mahane

        You have now taken to insulting your hosts who so generously allow you to post your zionist propaganda on “Their ” site.

        You should be banned for the endless trolling you do here.

        Go back to peddling spuds fella.Your hasbara is way past it,s due date as is your zionist racist so called state.

      • Citizen
        January 21, 2014, 8:32 am

        @ amigo
        Not to mention hasbara is Israeli government propaganda. Last time I looked, Phil & Adam weren’t being paid by any government.

      • Citizen
        January 23, 2014, 11:00 am

        @ MahaneYehude1

        Re your: “I wrote you many times that their is no apartheid in Israel but you insist to believe that we are apartheid state. ”

        Yes, your redundant blatant hasbara lies do get boring.
        On the anatomy of Zionist apartheid, I suggest readers here that they ignore Mehane Yehude and his self-described klan. Read this instead:
        link to foreignpolicyjournal.com

    • ritzl
      January 19, 2014, 1:59 pm

      Any act of retaliation for objecting to something Israel is doing wrong would only make BDS stronger and Israel’s isolation more profound. Besides what can you do to individual buyers voting with their economic feet? Make them swear an annual anti-BDS oath or something?

      You can’t “win” this short of making it right. Period. How to make it right and the making of right will be the source of much vision-shattering pain for Israelis, but that is a war you can win. Choice is yours where to put your energies.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 19, 2014, 2:22 pm

        @ritzl;

        As much as I know, Israel puts a lot of energies to find just solution to the IP conflict, without the “help” of the BDS. Boycotting Israel when peace negotiation is running is wrong and will not lead to peace, it is only a great obstacle in which only two peoples will pay the price of it: The Israelis and the Palestinians, as usual.

      • Djinn
        January 19, 2014, 10:23 pm

        Then you dont know much Mahane.

      • talknic
        January 19, 2014, 11:13 pm

        MahaneYehude1 “As much as I know, Israel puts a lot of energies to find just solution to the IP conflict”

        You’re spout nonsense again. Israel puts a lot of energies into maintaining the US UNSC veto vote while it puts a lot of energies into continuing to break the law, because without the US UNSC veto vote Israel would be subject to the consequences of a state in breach of the Law and UN Charter a la Iraq/Kuwait

        The illegal acquisition of territory by war link to pages.citebite.com & link to wp.me is NOT a way to find a just solution.
        The illegal annexation of territory illegally acquired by war is NOT a way to find a just solution. 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980 …. Oh, and Israel’s annexation of the Golan was also condemned by the UNSC Res 497
        The illegal settling of territory link to unispal.un.org under occupation and in territories never legally annexed to Israel link to talknic.files.wordpress.com & link to talknic.files.wordpress.com
        is NOT a way to find a just solution.

        Israel’s stupid demands that have absolutely no legal basis what so ever are NOT a way to find a just solution.

        “Boycotting Israel when peace negotiation is running is wrong and will not lead to peace>”

        Negotiations are Israel’s ONLY way out of the illegal sh*t hole it has dug for itself with its illegal ‘facts on the ground’. But over 65 years, Israel has never once taken advantage of all the OPPORTUNITIES it has been given in negotiations or the OPPORTUNITIES under UNSC resolutions calling for it to adhere to the law. Instead it has illegally acquired more territory, built more illegal settlements and spent an inordinate amount of everyone’s time effort and money stalling and trying to circumvent the Law

        The stupid frog is allowed to stay in the pot via the US UNSC veto vote thinking it can blackmail Palestine out of its legal rights, while the internet and availability of official documents revealing Israel’s 65 years of deceit, Palestine’s acceptance into UN bodies and BDS are turning up the heat. The ONLY way out is for Israel to negotiate.

        However, even in negotiations the Palestinians have no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their LEGAL rights under the Laws and UN Charter Israel obliged itself to uphold. Meanwhile Israel is still obliged to the law, even in negotiations.

        Of course you’ll take no notice, it’s not in a propagandists brief. You’ll just post more Red Heifer sh*te. But every time you do, you afford the opportunity to show honestly interested readers just how pathetic your drivel is and show them why according to official documents. IOW you’re a fool.

        Keep up the good work

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 12:55 am

        @talknic:

        Of course you’ll take no notice, it’s not in a propagandists brief. You’ll just post more Red Heifer sh*te. But every time you do, you afford the opportunity to show honestly interested readers just how pathetic your drivel is and show them why according to official documents. IOW you’re a fool.

        From today, I stop to reply to comment contains personal attacks. Please, find you other sucker ready to respond seriously to your comments. Good Bye, friend. See you again when I read comment without personal attacks.

      • Shingo
        January 20, 2014, 4:31 am

        Of course you’ll take no notice, it’s not in a propagandists brief.

        I don’t know why anyone bothers to even respond to MY1 anymore. The guy is clearly a troll and a time waster and blatantly dishonest.

        But every time you do, you afford the opportunity to show honestly interested readers just how pathetic your drivel is and show them why according to official documents.

        I appreciate that others take the time to debunk the garbage here posts here so that people like me don’t have to.

      • talknic
        January 20, 2014, 6:15 am

        MahaneYehude1 “Please, find you other sucker ready to respond seriously to your comments.”

        First with your transparently fake bad English, now pretending you fail to understand that I don’t care if you answer or not. A propagandists brief is to deny and lie some more. My replies to your bullsh*t contain your name to show other readers who is spouting nonsense

        “Good Bye, friend. See you again when I read comment without personal attacks”

        Irrelevant to me spud

      • amigo
        January 20, 2014, 7:54 am

        “I wrote you many times that their is no apartheid in Israel but you insist to believe that we are apartheid state.”komrad mahane

        Yeah, you keep writing lies even though you have been shown to be a liar and a propagandist numerous times.

        link to cosmos.ucc.ie

        “You can ask the African asylum seekers and the “triangle” Israeli-Palestinians about the Israeli apartheid.”komrad mahane

        We will if we can get to them before Israel bribes them with $1500 to $3500 to get out of Israel.

        “http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.559988″

        and here!!

        “http://african.howzit.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=257185969

        and Israeli Jewish racist calling for Blacks Out while their gov sells arms to tyrants in return for taking refugees to a country whose name Israel will not divulge.!!!

        “Rising tensions over the growing number of illegal immigrants exploded into violence in May when a protest in south Tel Aviv turned ugly, with demonstrators smashing African shops and property, chanting “Blacks out!” In June, the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot reported the government was negotiating to deport up to 2,000 illegal Eritrean immigrants to an unnamed African country in return for supplying it with military, technological and agricultural aid.”

        Israel is not an apartheid.Pull the other leg zio .

      • ritzl
        January 20, 2014, 5:50 pm

        @MY1- Well… so many ways to respond, as everyone has done, but which in your mind is a greater “obstacle” to peace, the continued settlement expansion during this round of “negotiations,” complete with announcements timed to make US emissaries look like feckless fools in front of the whole world, or BDS as a reaction to that continued, unabated, behavior?

        If you believe that the Occupation is bad and needs to be resolved, wouldn’t you also agree that increasing the scope and durability of that Occupation is also bad, in terms of “negotiations” required to resolve it?

        Noobs and EU politicians on this issue should make note of the complete and irreconcilable disconnect in your views (i.e. the prevailing Israeli popular and political conventional wisdom).

      • Citizen
        January 23, 2014, 11:05 am

        @ MahaneYehude klan: BDS is not an obstacle to peace, but grease for real peace, and the biggest obstacle to peace is endless settlements under the Israeli state’s lebensraum movement. Even the US officially calls this endless land grabbing an obstacle to peace. Unfortunately, the US government encourages it de facto by giving Israel endless big chunks of taxpayer money, instead of being consistent and withholding foreign aid to Israel until they end their endless settlements..

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 23, 2014, 3:39 pm

        @Citizen and ritzl:

        Yes, your redundant blatant hasbara lies do get boring.

        I can write the same sentence: “Your redundant blatant propaganda lies about the apartheid do get boring”. Again, Citizen, I encourage anyone who thinks I am boring to ignore my comments as I ignore the comments of two of the commenters in this site.

        From your link:
        The definition of apartheid is clearly stated and defined, with comparisons between South Africa apartheid and that of Israel. While not identical, the similarities are many, and fit the definition of apartheid: racial profiling, physical segregation, and laws and policies. The main difference noted by the authors is that South Africa wanted a black population it could exploit; the Israelis want to eliminate the Palestinian population and expel them from Eretz Israel.

        Well, citizen, In many of my comments, I explained why there are not real proofs to those who say that Israel is an apartheid state. Look how the author himself says “While not identical, the similarities are many,…”. I already wrote a lot about those “similarities” and explained that in Israel (inside 67 borders) there is no segregation, different systems, different buses etc. Even the most extreme anti-Israeli Israeli-Palestinians admit that they have high standard of living and don’t experience segregation (I can link to the video). Most of the “facts” that readers here bring to show me that Israel is indeed apartheid state have no connection to apartheid: Israeli racists (which I condemn), “Banning” of Arab parties from the coalition, bad policies in different fields (which I condemn), tension between groups etc, are not apartheid at all!! I urge you all to show me real facts that there is apartheid in Israel, I doubt one of you can.

        About the OPT: As I wrote many times, the territories were occupied after wars forced on us. Like you all, I against the occupation, I think the settlement houses must be given to the refugees as compensation and I want to see the establishment of the independent Palestine state. Meanwhile, Israel has part control on the area. Indeed, there are laws and rules that are forced only in the OPT. None of them is apartheid law. All of the laws and rules are consequence of the complicated situation in the OPT and the violence we experience for years. Even the wall, that you call apartheid wall, was built after several terror attacks and aimed to protect us (and, actually, it saves our life). Indeed, I admit, many innocent people are suffering from those laws and rules but it is a consequence of the conflict, not because we “hate Arabs” and think they are inferiors.

        Israel already recognized the Palestinians, Israeli PM’s speak about independent state of Palestine and negotiation are running. So I don’t think there is justification to the BDS movement. The BDS is only one way to fight Israel in order to dismantle it, not to live with it in peace.
        I think this comment summarizes my views and I hope that if someone would reply, I will read new things, not the old tedious propaganda.

      • brenda
        January 20, 2014, 11:10 am

        “I wrote you many times that their is no apartheid in Israel but you insist to believe that we are apartheid state.”

        Mahane, you are talking to the wrong people. We KNOW what apartheid is and what it looks like. We struggled with black apartheid in the United States for decades before the issue was resolved. To our credit, it was resolved from within the country, without pressure from outside. Israeli liberals have tried to address and resolve the issue — Israeli liberals tried to organize a boycott of goods & services from the West Bank but were thwarted when the Knesset ruled against such boycott, making it illegal for Israelis to protest the occupation in this way. It says a lot for the US, don’t it? We were not and are not so far gone in the fascist direction as to need outside pressure to make us do the right thing.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 21, 2014, 4:45 pm

        @Brenda;

        We KNOW what apartheid is and what it looks like. We struggled with black apartheid in the United States for decades before the issue was resolved.

        OK, so if you know how the apartheid looks like, you should know that their is no even one similarity between the black apartheid in south US and the situation in Israel. I don’t think black people in the south served as judges, university lecturers, police and army officers, members of governmental institutions etc. In Israel, many Israeli-Palestinians hold such positions. the apartheid in Israel is imaginary apartheid.

      • Citizen
        January 23, 2014, 10:53 am

        @ MahaneYehude1
        Are you done with your hasbara? Good, here’s a good look at the similarities between Israeli form of apartheid and former apartheid S Africa’s: link to foreignpolicyjournal.com

    • just
      January 19, 2014, 2:36 pm

      You will lose.

      Thanks for your threat, though. Cheers!

      • eljay
        January 20, 2014, 7:33 am

        MY1 on Jan. 20/14:

        From today, I stop to reply to comment contains personal attacks. Please, find you other sucker ready to respond seriously to your comments. Good Bye, friend. See you again when I read comment without personal attacks.

        MY1 during one of his spells of eloquence (Jan. 10/14):

        “EY” (actually, EI) is the abbreviation of Eretz Israel “The land of Israel”. In the last years of the Ottoman Empire and in the time of the British Mandate, also the Jews called this area Palestine (Palestina) and refer to themselves as Palestinians (Palestinaim). The main newspaper of the Jewish community was called “Palestine Post”, name that was changed to “Jerusalem Post” in 1950, two years after the establishment of the state of Israel.

        Speaking on currency, the first banknotes of the state of Israel bears the inscription “The Anglo-Palestine Bank Limited”. These banknotes were legal tender until 1952, four years after the establishment of the state of Israel.

        So, the Jews and the Arabs together used the name Palestine, as Falastin and Palestina, as the coin indicates.

        Amazing, innit? ;-)

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 11:21 am

        @eljay:

        “EY” (actually, EI) is the abbreviation of Eretz Israel…

        I don’t understand why you copied one of my former comments, which has no relevance to the current issue.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 8:20 am

        @Shingo:

        I don’t know why anyone bothers to even respond to MY1 anymore. The guy is clearly a troll and a time waster and blatantly dishonest.

        To tell you the truth, I also don’t know. So, I invite any reader here that thinks that I am a troll, a time waster, blatantly dishonest, liar, spouting nonsense, write fake English, Hasbara or whatever, to ignore my comments and stop read them. Boycott Israel!! Boycott Mahane!!

      • amigo
        January 20, 2014, 10:31 am

        Komrad mahane, you might be far more at home at the J,POST.

        They will love you there and treat you with respect.They will agree with all the zio propaganda you spew here and they and you can be life long bosom buddies massaging each others zionist racist egos.

        Of course it might get boring eventually, reading all that hasbara central cut and paste propaganda that all hasbarists peddle.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 4:43 pm

        @Amigo:

        Komrad mahane, you might be far more at home at the J,POST.

        Thanks for your recommendation but I must reject it. Only in MW I feel at home since here I can meet clever people like Walid and Shmuel, academics like Ron, funny people like Taxi, beautiful women like Pamela Olson, nice and honest people like Donald, poets like Sibiriak and more important, people that I like very much like you. So, sorry, Amigo, I stay here with you.

      • talknic
        January 20, 2014, 11:58 am

        MahaneYehude1 “To tell you the truth, I also don’t know. So, I invite any reader here that thinks that I am a troll, a time waster, blatantly dishonest, liar, spouting nonsense, write fake English, Hasbara or whatever, to ignore my comments and stop read them.”

        No way. It’s fun disproving and exposing you for what you are. An idiot for Israeli expansionism. Very likely paid, because no one in their right mind purposefully makes an idiot of themselves

        Say …. why do you write here if you don’t want people to read your drivel?

      • puppies
        January 20, 2014, 12:16 pm

        Tell you the truth, I cannot for the life of me understand how Phil justifies (to himself) his offering yet another perch to Zionist propaganda parrots for plain brainwash statements (as opposed to argument.) Pure propaganda posts seem to bypass censors.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 22, 2014, 3:41 am

        @puppies:

        “Israel is an apartheid state” – serious argument.
        “Israel is not an apartheid state” – Zionist propaganda and brainwashing statement.

    • Ron Edwards
      January 19, 2014, 3:00 pm

      Pish posh on Israel winning wars.

      1948-49: Soviet-supplied planes and AK’s vs. a rabble armed with WWI leftovers who had no discernible strategy (I’m talking about the “Arab armies”)
      1956: stood down by direct joint order from the U.S. and U.S.S.R. administrations
      1967: gratuitous strike (resembling the attack on Pearl Harbor more than the actual attack on Pearl Harbor did), followed by equally gratuitous destruction during the alleged cease-fire
      1973: balls thoroughly kicked; bailed out by U.S. airlift and diplomatic intervention – again, inflicting the most damage while the opponents obeyed the internationally-declared cease-fire (note that the attackers sought to liberate areas seized in 1967, not to “destroy Israel,” so it’s not like the IDF even successfully defended it)
      1978: invaded and occupied a nation with no military to speak of – perhaps it’s worth noting that “successfully” invading Lebanon is no more than driving tanks through indefensible territory (same for Syria)
      1982: invaded as above, besieged and bombed Beirut with complicity of Lebanon’s elites, spent almost two years saying “no, you do it” back and forth with them regarding actually fighting the PLO, culminating by engineering the slaughter of 2000-3000 old people, mothers, and children
      1983-1990-2000: steadily being beaten by Hezbollah, whining about it constantly
      2006: balls thoroughly kicked by Hezbollah

      Real tough, Mahane. The only things the IDF can do effectively are bomb stuff and immiserate a captive, mainly helpless population. Actually fighting is beyond it. (Astonishing how U.S. and Israeli military culture gets such a boner from the Nazi blitzkrieg and hasn’t ceased to copy it – despite it being a dead-last loser in terms of any actual imaginable goal.)

      • bilal a
        January 19, 2014, 9:43 pm

        They have excellent air to sea capability:

        “After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

        The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded.”
        link to gtr5.com

      • Ron Edwards
        January 20, 2014, 8:39 am

        Indeed. Hell on the helpless, as I say.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 19, 2014, 11:54 pm

        Ron Edwards;

        Thanks for your brilliant military analysis. You only forgot one small thing: The consequence of all those “defeats” (especially by the Hizb-Allah that kicked us) is an independent, well developed and prosperous state.

        You are distorting many facts only to make them comfortable to your analysis. For instance: If the “Arab armies” were underdeveloped in 1948, why they invaded Israel? How Israel lost 6,000 Israelis? in 1967 war, I wonder why do you compare it to Pearl Harbour, I sure you know all the events prior to the war. In 1973 war, US intervention saved the Egyptian army etc. etc.

        I hope that the analysis you are doing to the results of your western blot is better.

      • amigo
        January 20, 2014, 5:09 am

        “You are distorting many facts only to make them comfortable to your analysis. For instance: If the “Arab armies” were underdeveloped in 1948, why they invaded Israel? “klan mahane

        You are the one distorting the facts.The Arab Armies attacked Israeli soldiers who were on occupied Palestinian Territory.

        You are forever the liar and propagandist and apologist for the rogue war mongering vile nation of Israel whose days are numbered.

        You ain,t fooling anyone here, troll.Hopefully you will not respond.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 22, 2014, 8:05 am

        @Amigo:

        Thanks for the example which supports my argument that you all are distorting facts. A war in which four different armies from four directions invade in the same day (a day after the establishment of Israel), is not a spontaneous war. It takes months, if not years, to plan such war. That means that the Arab states planned the invasion long before the establishment of Israel, while the area was under British Mandate. So, you can’t say “occupied Palestinian territories” nor “Israeli territories” only British Mandate.

        You ain,t fooling anyone here, troll.Hopefully you will not respond.

        I agree to the first part of your sentence. I am not trying to fool people here, only to tell the truth. About the second part: I promise I wouldn’t respond if you promise me to stop write your nonsense here and your “facts” which I doubt you check them before you write them. Deal, Amigo?

      • Ron Edwards
        January 20, 2014, 8:36 am

        Weak, both on logic and on effective snark. I’ll show you how it’s done.

        1948: Armies being unprepared and incompetent is no barrier to them going into action.
        1967: I suppose you’re referring to Nasser “strangling” Israel by closing the Suez Canal, which reduced deliveries/transport to Israel by FIVE percent.
        1973: Saved the Egyptian army AFTER having saved Israel’s hold on its acquisitions through supply – so without the prior airlift and supply …

        “Independent” my ass! Israel, like Saudi Arabia, exists in its current state specifically and only through U.S. largesse and international clout. It’s a wretched and spoiled client state.

        “Well-developed” my ass too! How’d that Carmel fire go again? “I know, we’ll plant a fires-cycle tree species all over and then drop our civil infrastructure to zilch; that’ll go well.” [pause] “Oooooh, West Bank firefighters, helllp, pleeeease!” (see, Mahane, that’s ecology, a subset of biology, and it’s really important)

        “Prosperous” my ass squared! Examine income inequality and quality-of-life variables across the entire population, and research the word “bubble.” Plus its military and settlement costs being offset via the U.S., to our shame.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 11:16 am

        @Ron Edwards:

        I thought that a well educated man would write serious reply, but unfortunately, you only copied your first reply without any new addition. What is the purpose of your comment? to show me, with your “examples” that Israel is weak and was defeated?

        Armies being unprepared and incompetent is no barrier to them going into action.

        If so, they should prepare for defeat. It is strange that several armies invaded Israel and then you all come with the argument “they were underdeveloped armies”. So what do you want Israel to do? strange.

        All the rest of your “arguments”, I already replied and I don’t think their is one serious argument. The only real and serious argument in your comment is “my ass”.

      • talknic
        January 20, 2014, 9:27 am

        MahaneYehude1 “For instance: If the “Arab armies” were underdeveloped in 1948, why they invaded Israel?”

        What bullsh*t! The Israel Govt says they invaded “Palestine” link to mfa.gov.il (1st paragraph, before the Arab League declaration begins) and;

        There’s no UNSC resolution condemning any Arab state for invading Israel and;

        UNSC resolutions call for “peace in Palestine”. None call for peace in Israel.

        The 1948 war was fought in territories the Israeli govt of 1948 on the 22nd May 1948 claimed were “outside the State of Israel” …”in Palestine” link to pages.citebite.com Territories it had under “military control”

        Military control = occupation link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      • Citizen
        January 23, 2014, 11:24 am

        Yeah, the Arabs “invaded” the new state of Israel by entering and fighting outside the borders declared said new state. The Arab armies, such as they were, given their antique weapons compared to those modern ones the Soviet’s gave Israel, were merely trying to arrest the Zionists grab of more land than they accepted as their frontiers when they declared themselves a state. And Nixon saved Israel’s ass in ’73, the war where Arab states were trying to retrieve land Israel stole in ’67 by force of arms.

    • seafoid
      January 19, 2014, 5:07 pm

      “Israel will soon take off the gloves and win this war as we won all the wars against us in the past.”

      Bukra fi mishmish
      Wa kul yom fi batatis wa hasbara.

      • MahaneYehude1
        January 20, 2014, 12:59 am

        @seafoid:

        Bukra fi mishmish
        Wa kul yom fi batatis wa hasbara.

        Shukran jazilan, I akhi l’aziz!! Lazem arja’a lal’Basta tabai!!! ashufak bukra (fil mishmish), Inshallah.

      • Citizen
        January 23, 2014, 11:29 am

        Israel started every war it has ever fought except the 73 war, when the Arab states proactively tried to retrieve for the Palestinians the land Israel took in ’67. The IDF lost their war against Hezbullah, and would have lost the 73 war except Nixon saved them with US war supplies and other US tax dollar benefits. Without the US fighting, Israel will also lose if it attack Iran. The IDF is only suitable as a police force over Palestinian kids armed with pebbles.

    • talknic
      January 19, 2014, 5:15 pm

      MahaneYehude1 “Many here, including members of parliament and governmental institutions, understand that the boycott is another kind of war against Israel, and in war like in war – Israel will soon take off the gloves and win this war as we won all the wars against us in the past”

      Uh huh. Israel already has it’s gloves off spud, in fact Israel never put them on. The Jewish state has had forces in territories “outside the State of Israel”…”in Palestine” link to pages.citebite.com for over half a century

      BTW what happened to your fake bad English spuddy boy?

    • eljay
      January 19, 2014, 5:46 pm

      >> Many here, including members of parliament and governmental institutions, understand that the boycott is another kind of war against Israel, and in war like in war – Israel will soon take off the gloves and win this war as we won all the wars against us in the past.

      The Zio-supremacist Potato-man shows his true, war-mongering colours.

      Perhaps now he can appreciate how Iran – a country not engaged in land theft, colonialism and expansionism, yet subjected to crippling economic sanctions – must feel.

    • Citizen
      January 19, 2014, 7:40 pm

      @ MahaneYehude klan:

      Related to this subject is all you hasbara bots constantly repeating on this web site that BDS is evil because it hypocritically singles out Israel while leaving other countries who deserve economic sanctions off the hook. Thus, the implication of anti-Semitic motive for supporters of BDS. It’s the Hasbara 101 point: “Hey, don’t look here, look over there!” This diversion and accusation of hypocrisy hence of jew-hatred appears regularly on this web site.

      I think that it’s not that Israel has been, is singled out or “picked on, ” but that Israel has been coddled, let off the hook for way too long when it comes to being the recipient of harsh economic sanctions to pressure it to mend its harmful
      rogue ways. And not only coddled by the Western powers for decade after decade, but the USA actually empowers Israel not to mend its way by its endless blank checks and UN SC vetoes benefiting Israel (and nobody else, especially not the USA):
      link to 972mag.com

    • oneof5
      January 20, 2014, 9:40 am

      “… Israel will soon take off the gloves and win this war as we won all the wars against us in the past.”

      Good grief … are you auditioning to become Israel’s very own “Baghdad Bob” or something ?

      Thanks for the entertainment …

  3. seafoid
    January 19, 2014, 12:10 pm

    They are using really knackered canards that worked in the past

    There’s a far better original (that explains where they are now )

    And they can’t compete with whatever Gen we are onto now

    And frankly they can go fuck themselves like any other failing company has to. Motorola and Nokia had to do it. Why should Zionism be any different? .

    • RudyM
      January 19, 2014, 12:56 pm

      I was not expecting Klangkarussell to show up here!

    • Ron Edwards
      January 19, 2014, 3:02 pm

      (sniff) Freddie!

      • seafoid
        January 19, 2014, 3:13 pm

        What a tragedy Freddie died and Zionism lived

      • just
        January 19, 2014, 5:42 pm

        My very favorite from Freddie:

  4. seafoid
    January 19, 2014, 12:25 pm

    Listen to Netanyahu age 28. It’s essentially unchanged for 2014- check out Hoph’s posts. And it’s 100% bilge.

    As Galbraith said about monetary policy in the 30s, hasbara is a very thin reed against which to lean.

    • just
      January 19, 2014, 2:32 pm

      He– Netanyahu– is a psycho, a warmonger, and a thief.

      Some leader and friend. I hope that he faces the ICC– soon.

      • seafoid
        January 19, 2014, 4:12 pm

        More than anything he is a loser.

  5. Hostage
    January 19, 2014, 12:25 pm

    Instead, top-drawer reporter Dana Weiss treated the boycott as an established, rapidly growing presence that sprang up because of Israel’s settlement policy and whose only remedy is that policy’s reversal

    No, I support BDS because the organs of political Zionism (the Jewish Agency, the JNF, the WZO, and the State of Israel) have always employed a widespread and systematic program of racial discrimination and segregation. It ultimately targets all non-Jews living anywhere in “Eretz Israel” for displacement, deportation, or domination, while denying them equal civil, political, and fundamental human rights.

    • Kathleen
      January 19, 2014, 12:27 pm

      Bingo!

      Yesterday in Denver
      link to facebook.com

      More coming

    • Citizen
      January 19, 2014, 7:24 pm

      @ Hostage
      What you say is true, and remains true today. But BDS is a start towards rectifying the situation you describe. What steps beyond BDS would you like to see taken, and by who?

      The Western countries, most especially the USA, have been employing economic sanctions against a hole host of countries, not just Iran. I’d like to see these countries start state-sponsored severe economic sanctions against Israel. Instead the EU sanctions so employed are really weak, and the US funds Israel with its biggest chunk of US foreign aid, thus, the US is the major negative player in the whole ball of wax.

  6. Donald
    January 19, 2014, 12:26 pm

    It’d be interesting to hear how this piece went over inside Israel. How much criticism did it get and how much praise?

    Also, I assume you mean “Derfner”, not “Derner”. I tried clicking on the link, but my computer froze up.

    • seafoid
      January 19, 2014, 1:11 pm

      Channel 2 is still a good way from Yossi Israeli and the real mainstream of the schmucks who stand to lose most when TSHTF

  7. pabelmont
    January 19, 2014, 1:34 pm

    Too bad this welcome news will not reach Americans who watch such bastions of truth as Fox, Public TV, NYT, etc.

    Nice to read it anyhow.

    Be funny if Israeli businesses (moved by EU pressure, I suppose) forced an end to the settlements (and not merely to their growth!) while the USa failed to notice and kept repeating tired AIPAC hasbara.

    • Light
      January 19, 2014, 3:12 pm

      Be funny if Israeli businesses (moved by EU pressure, I suppose) forced an end to the settlements (and not merely to their growth!) while the USa failed to notice and kept repeating tired AIPAC hasbara.

      Isn’t that a repeat of how apartheid ended in South Africa?

  8. seafoid
    January 19, 2014, 5:33 pm

    I think what really gave BDS a boost was the realization around the world that Israel was not going to deliver a Palestinian state despite having told the world in 1991 that it would. It was easy to string people along with the peace process but the bots didn’t realize what killing it off would mean.
    Confusing elite tolerance for mass goy support was also pretty stupid.

    • aiman
      January 19, 2014, 9:09 pm

      That’s it, seafoid. You laid the miscalculation bare in a nutshell. If there is no humanity in intelligence, then it is no intelligence at all. Zionism was doomed from the start, it broke all the Ten Commandments. I hope the Takfirism-by-proxy will meet the face of justice, too. Here’s to a better world!

  9. Inanna
    January 19, 2014, 7:22 pm

    An aside: is there anything that gives away the zionist alienation from the land of Palestine than the architecture of its settlements? It’s repetition, uniformity, soullessness, artificiality and shallowness just kinda say it all to me about zionist settlement.

    • Citizen
      January 19, 2014, 7:31 pm

      There use to be a US folk/protest song with lyrics, “little boxes, little boxes, all in a row…” It was a hit at America for the same reasons.

      • Djinn
        January 20, 2014, 6:44 am

        The first time I saw settlements that song immediately sprang to mind. So ugly, so out of step with the environment and climate. But at least one settlement managed to band together to have the section of the Apartheid wall nearby pebble coated so as to avoid the ugliness of the wall. I guess they have some, albeit deformed, sense of style.

      • puppies
        January 22, 2014, 2:50 am

        “one settlement managed to band together to have the section of the Apartheid wall nearby pebble coated so as to avoid the ugliness of the wall.”

        It’s not because I like to eat meat that I have to watch the slaughter!

    • just
      January 19, 2014, 8:31 pm

      Pardon my language– it is all ‘butt ugly’ and irredeemable..

      • bilal a
        January 19, 2014, 10:28 pm

        Locate the spear tip of your occupation close and visible, above their women and children:

        “Indians contemplating a battle, either offensive or defensive, are always anxious to have their women and children removed from all danger…For this reason I decided to locate our [military] camp as close as convenient to [Chief Black Kettle's Cheyenne] village, knowing that the close proximity of their women and children, and their necessary exposure in case of conflict, would operate as a powerful argument in favor of peace, when the question of peace or war came to be discussed.[61]”
        General Custer
        link to en.wikipedia.org

    • puppies
      January 19, 2014, 9:14 pm

      Let’s call that architecture by its name: American suburban.

      • dbroncos
        January 20, 2014, 12:54 am

        “…repetition, uniformity, soullessness, artificiality and shallowness just kinda say it all to me about zionist settlement.”

        Kinda says it all about modern residential new construction everywhere.

      • puppies
        January 21, 2014, 1:37 am

        Dunno, this amount of squalid in the presence of so mucho money I’ve only seen in the States and occupied Palestine.

  10. Mike_Konrad
    January 20, 2014, 1:42 am

    After the evacuations of Amona and Gush Katif, Israel does not have the political will to evacuate the settlers necessary to create a Palestinian state.

    Forget about even trying.

    Just observing.

    • puppies
      January 21, 2014, 1:39 am

      Why “forget about even trying”? Any buildings in any numbers only need sufficient physical force to become rubble.

  11. amigo
    January 20, 2014, 8:31 am

    More good news from Europe.

    “Three major European pension funds are reviewing their holdings in Israeli banks due to concerns they finance West Bank settlements, the Financial Times reported Sunday.

    link to haaretz.com

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