Netanyahu: ‘There’s a problem the Palestinians are [in the West Bank] . . . I don’t want a binational state, and I don’t want them as citizens or subjects’

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Haaretz reports on a meeting of the Likud Knesset faction today where Benjamin Netanyahu opened up about the US-led negotiations. After saying he had no intention of giving up Hebron, which is outside the Israeli Separation Wall in the West Bank, he made it clear he really has no end game in mind when it comes to the Palestinians. He doesn’t want them in Israel and he has no way to get rid of them. For Netanyahu the situation boils down to this – “there are two million Palestinians and the question is what we do with them”:

He also said he has “no solution” for how to prevent Israel from becoming a binational state while also ensuring that a Palestinian state won’t become a base for Iran or Al-Qaida. . . .

“The reason why we’re willing to reach this agreement isn’t because we’re denying our history, but because there are two million Palestinians and the question is what we do with them,” he said. “There’s a problem that the Palestinians are there, and I have no intention of removing them. It’s impractical and inappropriate. I don’t want a binational state, and I don’t want them as either citizens or subjects. On the other hand, I don’t want another Iranian state or Al-Qaida state. Currently, we have no solution.”

Netanyahu also made clear that even if Palestinians meet his demand to recognize Israel as a Jewish state it won’t be enough:

“Even if there is some minimal commitment to recognize the Jewish state, there’s still no guarantee that the incitement against us would change,” Netanyahu said. “We saw what happened when we closed our eyes and evacuated settlements. We need a foothold in the territory, plus security arrangements that will ensure that the territory won’t be handed over to hostile elements.”

The answer here would then seem to be endless occupation.

But, in a sign of the times, Netanyahu does seem more progressive than some of his Israeli counterparts. It’s sadly notable that he shot down the possibility of removing Palestinians from the West Bank as “impractical and inappropriate” (not exactly the principled rejection you’d hope for). And yes, Avigdor Lieberman’s proposal to remove Palestinians from Israel is still on the table, although Netanyahu seemed to distance himself from it:

During the meeting, Netanyahu was asked about the possibility that an agreement with the Palestinians could include an exchange of populations and territory – something Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has advocated repeatedly, most recently just this week. “That’s the foreign minister’s position, but not the American position,” Netanyahu replied.

(h/t Nima Shirazi)

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  1. Betsy
    January 6, 2014, 3:40 pm

    How can he use the word “solution” in this context? Do historical analogies not leap to his mind, and force him to stop & think?

    • seafoid
      January 6, 2014, 3:55 pm

      The Palestinians were supposed to have left by now. Rational economic beings would have left Balata and Jalazoun camps to work in hedge funds. But bots don’t understand poor people despite the fact they invented the tomato and the clitoris. It is like a Woody Allen film about Jewish overachievers. Zvi’s mother was right. It doesn’t matter how good the boy is in maths. He needs to be able to talk to the guy who takes away the garbage.

      • Mike_Konrad
        January 6, 2014, 5:22 pm

        seafood says:

        But bots don’t understand poor people despite the fact they invented the tomato and the clitoris.

        Now, I think EVERYONE HERE wants that bit of logic explained.

        So tell us … How do you invent a tomato?

      • ziusudra
        January 6, 2014, 6:34 pm

        Greetings M. Konrad,
        It was a joke!
        Just like it is a joke that Bibi nitty only knows his way or none!
        Perpetual occupation?! Really? Show me a precedence in history?
        Bibi puts himself in a box & says it has to work out to his advantage.
        This joke’s on him.
        ziusudra

      • pabelmont
        January 6, 2014, 7:14 pm

        ziusudra: The joke’s on Bibi? really?

        Hey, Kerry and Obama and N’yahu are only joking, like seafoid. However, BIG DIFFERENCE — these guys (and their predecessors) DID invent something, important, the “peace process”. (With an assist from Orwell, who invented or recognized the utility of NewSpeak).

        Doesn’t want to expel anyone, doesn’t want to live with ’em, doesn’t want to live next to them — BUT (PRESTO NON-CHANGE-O) he is willing to continue to control them in status-quo-apartheid-land. Until forced to do something else, and no-one with power to force him has shown any tendency to overcome the impediments (AIPAC, USA, indifference, business-ties-with-Israel, problems-of-their-own, etc.).

        Expect to hear people whining about apartheid in 2020, 2030, etc., and expect to hear that the USA is “urgently pushing” the peace process.

        Or “peace process.”

      • talknic
        January 6, 2014, 6:44 pm

        Mike_Konrad “Now, I think EVERYONE HERE wants that bit of logic explained

        So tell us … How do you invent a tomato?”

        Easy. It’s just one of the long list of Israeli propaganda inventions. Despite Israeli claims to the cherry tomato, their existence was recorded centuries ago.

      • Talkback
        January 6, 2014, 8:23 pm

        (delete)

      • eljay
        January 6, 2014, 6:55 pm

        >> So tell us … How do you invent a tomato?

        You take an existing tomato and you intentionally alter it. The process is similar to taking Palestine and intentionally altering it into an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”, only it’s much less unjust and immoral, and the end result doesn’t leave a foul taste in your mouth.

      • piotr
        January 6, 2014, 10:38 pm

        But isn’t better to replace unwieldy large Palestine with small individual pieces, each roughly the same size as a cherry?

      • tree
        January 6, 2014, 6:56 pm

        I find it hilarious that that Mike questions how anyone can invent a tomato but doesn’t question the idea that the clitoris was invented.

      • eljay
        January 6, 2014, 6:57 pm

        >> I find it hilarious that that Mike questions how anyone can invent a tomato but doesn’t question the idea that the clitoris was invented.

        I have a feeling that that was him being clever.

      • just
        January 6, 2014, 6:57 pm

        tree–

        rotflmao! Thanks.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 6, 2014, 7:12 pm

        I have a feeling that that was him being clever.

        do we have any evidence of cleverness from mike’s past commenting history?

      • Philip Munger
        January 6, 2014, 8:04 pm

        My favorite “invented tomato” is the Green Zebra, invented (bred) by Tom Wagner, back in the late 70s. It has since become popular, because of its incredible taste and bright, delightful appearance. In early February, I’ll begin planting them, and some other “invented” and heirloom varieties.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Zebra

      • eljay
        January 7, 2014, 12:12 pm

        >>But isn’t better to replace unwieldy large Palestine with small individual pieces, each roughly the same size as a cherry?

        For the purpose of creating a supremacist “Jewish State”, Palestine was a tomato. For the purpose of devouring Palestine, it is a pizza.

        And when the thousand-year “Jewish State” finally falls – when Israel is transformed into a secular, democratic and egalitarian state of and for all of its citizens, equally – Palestine will become sour grapes.

    • Rusty Pipes
      January 6, 2014, 4:16 pm

      “inappropriate” appears to be the closest Netanyahu can get to a “principled rejection.” Hard to know whether that reflects his principles or his awareness of how far he can push the principles of those “easily moved.” Even American politicians might find blatant genocide on the West Bank worse than “unhelpful,” even if they still turn a blind eye to the genocide in Gaza (if the denial of Gazans the ability to farm their own land, fish their own sea, treat their own sick and trade across their own borders is not indictment enough, the enforcement of untreated and untreatable water on the Gazan population is a formula for an epidemic in waiting).

      • MHughes976
        January 6, 2014, 4:30 pm

        Whatever he means, he doesn’t mean that the Palestinians have a right to be there.

      • Abierno
        January 6, 2014, 6:19 pm

        Well said.

  2. W.Jones
    January 6, 2014, 3:42 pm

    “There’s a problem that the Palestinians are there, and I have no intention of removing them. It’s impractical and inappropriate.”

    That’s nice.

    • seafoid
      January 6, 2014, 5:20 pm

      “There’s a problem that the Jews are there. We have to find a solution”

      Wannsee, 1942

  3. MHughes976
    January 6, 2014, 3:43 pm

    ‘Living without a solution’ seems to be as deeply cherished and continuous in Israeli policy as the Allon Plan. This idea was, to me, the main revelation of the late R Ben Cramer’s ‘How Israel Lost’ published a decade ago. I don’t think that Netanyahu’s wheeling out this rhetoric at this point is any sign of progress. Cramer suggested that the underlying idea was that in the end the Palestinians would leave: it’s a question of making them see that their situation is hopeless. The endless failure of the negotiations despite the participation of ever so many, ever so hopeful dignitaries and celebrities is a means of persuasion.

    • seafoid
      January 6, 2014, 4:22 pm

      The bots are so like the North Korean leadership.
      They believe Israel is eternal. The Kims believe their rule is eternal.
      And anyone who crosses either crowd of fruitcakes risks death.

      http://www.northkoreatech.org/2013/12/13/full-text-of-kcna-announcement-on-execution-of-jang/

      ” No matter how much water flows under the bridge and no matter how frequently a generation is replaced by new one, the lineage of Paektu will remain unchanged and irreplaceable.”

      Needless to say, in the eyes of the Zionists, the Palestinians are “despicable human scum….worse than a dog”

      “Treat them like dogs, those who want to can leave” : Moshe Dayan Kim

    • TheWatcherWatching
      January 6, 2014, 8:15 pm

      You have to be joking the only thing the Palestianians have to do is keep on doing what they are doing. They are outbreeding Israel, demographics is destiny. Once they have the demographics advantage they can simply vote themselves into power and if Israel doesnt do go along can no longer pretend to be a “democracy”. There only other option is to become an true apartheid state once that is little chestnut is cracked sanctions and boycotts against Israel will hit critical mass.

      Not to mention that the boomers are there way out, ask anyone born 2010 (65+ years after), how much they really care about the “holocaust” and you will find its less and less after each generation. That means that Israel is running out of TIME, all the Palestinians have to do is keep doing what they have been doing and outbreed the Israelis. Quite frankly the Israelis should be jumping at the chance to get a “two state solution” there very own entho state because that window is going to close on them soon enough.

      At the same time Iran is busy, building the bomb, once they get it 1/4 jews (there is even an Israeli poll to prove it) will leave Israel this will be the best and brightest, capital flight and brain drain will leave Israel an economic basket-case. Only the real nut cases will be left in Israel so they will vote for even more insane leaders, this will only help to push the world community towards sanctions and boycotts of Israel. There is abit more but thats enough for now.

      • talknic
        January 7, 2014, 4:29 am

        TheWatcherWatching “They are outbreeding Israel”

        Statistics for non-Jewish Israelis please

        “At the same time Iran is busy, building the bomb,”

        Evidence please

        “Only the real nut cases will be left in Israel so they will vote for even more insane leaders, this will only help to push the world community towards sanctions and boycotts of Israel. “

        It would appear they’re well on the way

  4. Justpassingby
    January 6, 2014, 4:27 pm

    netanyahu looks more like satanyahu nowadays and he doesnt believe in democracy since he refuse to live with palestinians in 1 state.

  5. eljay
    January 6, 2014, 5:23 pm

    >> “The reason why we’re willing to reach this agreement isn’t because we’re denying our history, but because there are two million Palestinians and the question is what we do with them,” he said. “There’s a problem that the Palestinians are there, and I have no intention of removing them. It’s impractical and inappropriate. I don’t want a binational state, and I don’t want them as either citizens or subjects. … ”

    Bibi is a truly hateful and immoral asshole. IOW, he’s a good and proud Zio-supremacist.

    • a blah chick
      January 6, 2014, 8:55 pm

      “…I have no intention of removing them. It’s impractical and inappropriate.”

      That sentence practically screams “banality of evil.”

      • MHughes976
        January 7, 2014, 9:45 am

        Thanks, a b c. Sometimes someone hits the nail squarely on the head.

  6. Woody Tanaka
    January 6, 2014, 5:47 pm

    “‘Even if there is some minimal commitment to recognize the Jewish state, there’s still no guarantee that the incitement against us would change,’ Netanyahu said.”

    Yeah, the nerve of those Palestinians. You’ve stolen their land, murdered their children and oppressed them for generations and those bastards say nasty things about you. What victims you are, Benji, what victims you are…

  7. just
    January 6, 2014, 6:01 pm

    “I don’t want a binational state, and I don’t want them as either citizens or subjects. On the other hand, I don’t want another Iranian state or Al-Qaida state. Currently, we have no solution.””

    Did he really say “subjects”? He really must think he’s the “divine King”.

    And Bibi– you and yours already have your very own terrorist state– look in the mirror, dude. Is he openly advocating genocide?

    (btw, Iran and Iranians are pretty neat.)

    • Bumblebye
      January 6, 2014, 7:17 pm

      Nah, just.

      Citizens = Jewish Israelis

      Subjects = Palestinian Israelis (ie, subject to the whims of the majority. Usually better known as ‘tyranny of the majority’)

      Zio-brain: Ugh! the very idea that a non-Jew in Ersatz Israel could have equality and the same rights as me and mine! Anathema!

      So, he’s simply restating his preference for bantustans, with cattle chutes for exits, so all the stateless in their own land folk have to apply for passes if they intend to step beyond the walls and barbed wire that will soon surround them.

  8. The Truth
    January 6, 2014, 6:17 pm

    “Even if there is some minimal commitment to recognize the Jewish state, there’s still no guarantee that the incitement against us would change,” Netanyahu said. “We saw what happened when we closed our eyes and evacuated settlements.”

    What happened last time? You mean when Israel withdrew its military from Gaza, only to maintain an illegal blockade, which led to a “humanitarian disaster” for the population? When Israel was part of a US/Fatah coalition, and tried to stage a coupe against the democratically elected Hamas? When Israel admittedly broke the ceasefire with Hamas, and then proceeded to destroy half of Gaza, killing thousands?

    Yes Israel, we all saw what happened last time.

  9. W.Jones
    January 6, 2014, 6:59 pm

    When Netanyahu was in America he was a big fan of JFK and very liberal, in contrast to his classmates in the suburbs of Philadelphia. And being on a communal kibbutz was part of the liberalism. Perhaps he is actually liberal overall, except that he is very conservative and nationalist on Israel?

    Or did even his liberalism change?

    By the way, Phil, this is interesting to think about. Perhaps you knew folks who knew Netanyahu when he was in Philadelphia? The Jewish community was particularly important for him then, his biographical article notes.

    • bilal a
      January 6, 2014, 8:49 pm

      On almost every measure except Zionism, diaspora and Israeli Jews are predominantly very liberal and often indifferent to religious Judaism, while hostile to Christianity and Islam.

      Some mistakenly see this as a contradiction.

    • Bumblebye
      January 7, 2014, 9:10 am

      “Liberal” Jonesy? Surely you jest!

      His views haven’t changed one iota since his student days.

      Spouting the same toxic guff nearly 36 years ago!

      • W.Jones
        January 7, 2014, 10:51 pm

        His eyes are very expressive.

        Also, Bumbleye, he was not talking about US domestic politics, so this does not “contradict” the “contradiction.” Perhaps you can offer some “in-sight” about that?

  10. Talkback
    January 6, 2014, 8:28 pm

    No annexation and no expulsion? Netanyahu has become antizionist.

    • MHughes976
      January 6, 2014, 10:41 pm

      I don’t think he has. Leaving non-Jewish residents of the Holy Land in an utterly anomalous situation – there but with no right to be there -is of the essence of Zionism.

      • Talkback
        January 7, 2014, 8:19 am

        You are right. Zionism’s oppression is only a slower and more silence method of expulsion.

  11. a blah chick
    January 6, 2014, 8:52 pm

    For me the thing about Israel that is truly frightening is that most of the Jews there will NOT defend the human or civil rights of their fellow citizens. How is this not like Germany in the thirties?

    • irishmoses
      January 7, 2014, 12:13 pm

      How is this not like Germany in the thirties?

      You are spot-on Blah Chick, in more ways than one. Nazi policy during the 30’s was aimed at removing the Jews from Germany. Transfer, or ethnic cleansing, was the original plan for creating a Judenfrei or Judenrein Germany. Wannsee and the final solution didn’t come about until 1942. The Nazi goal even as late as 1940 was to transfer all of Germany’s remaining Jews (those unwilling or unable to leave voluntarily) to Madagascar.

      This is not to say that Nazi Germany’s 1930s plan to force German Jews to leave Germany was somehow benign. It wasn’t, but neither was/is Zionism’s goal or plan of cleansing Palestine of its Arab population. The parallels between the Nazis’ 1930s search for a Judenrein Germany and Zionism’s search for an Palestinian-free Israel are stunning. The victims became the victimizers. What a sad tale.

  12. doug
    January 6, 2014, 11:02 pm

    What Bibi means:

    No solution. Implication: keep mowing the grass.

    Sigh.

  13. traintosiberia
    January 6, 2014, 11:04 pm

    Every time Israeli leader open his mouth in relation to Palestine ,it reminds me their previous utterances from another lip from another week,another month,another year,another decade and it is always same-1- Palestinian cant be a citizen of Israel and 2-cant be given a state and 3- he or she does not know what to do. This “what to do” is the fig leaf that covers the slow expulsion of Palestininas in so many ways-like not allowing them to return after travel outside,like allowing death at check points,and chronic bulldozing of their habitat while number 1 and 2 stay as irreversible work in progress.
    Now and then the mask of “Weizmann” comes out loose by the ferocious truth telling figures wearing the mask of Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky through the behaviors of Liberman and Bennett exposing the relentless march to the grabbing of the whole Palestine-the Eretz Israel.
    The struggle in Israel is between Weizmann and Ben Guiron and it is eternal – it is all about language and all about timing. Timing buys more time to alter the excuses and impose new demands and reintroduces the idea of “Time is not right” confirming “Wezimann” what to do while advancing Ben Guiron-Jabotinsky” as the latest version of reality.The cycle keeps on repeating.

    • irishmoses
      January 7, 2014, 11:14 am

      Traintosiberia said:

      The struggle in Israel is between Weizmann and Ben Guiron and it is eternal – it is all about language and all about timing. Timing buys more time to alter the excuses and impose new demands and reintroduces the idea of “Time is not right” confirming “Wezimann” what to do while advancing Ben Guiron-Jabotinsky” as the latest version of reality.The cycle keeps on repeating.

      If you are implying that Weizmann was against “transfer” or some sort of hand-wringer when it came down to the wire, I think the evidence is to the contrary. Weizmann was up to his elbows in transfer policy, including compulsory transfer. He just was more clever in keeping his opinions and policies below the radar (which may have been your point).

      I recently came across and just finished reading a brilliant history of the Zionist “transfer” concept:Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of “Transfer” in Zionist Political Thought-1882-1948 by Nur Masalha (1992, Institute for Palestinian Studies). Best of all, it’s available on Kindle!

      IMHO this is a must read for understanding Zionism’s plan for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. It’s based mostly on Zionist source documents and is amply footnoted.

      Forced transfer was always the ultimate game plan, beginning with Herzl.

  14. traintosiberia
    January 6, 2014, 11:20 pm

    During “Weizmann-Ben Gurion” times ,the Arabs were not civilized,cant be trusted,worshiper of power,and clever.Now “Barak-Bibi”‘s times -they are the breeding grounds of AlQuida and terrorism.

  15. Hostage
    January 7, 2014, 1:29 am

    Netanyahu: ‘There’s a problem the Palestinians are [in the West Bank] . . . I don’t want a binational state, and I don’t want them as citizens or subjects’

    The Zionists have spent decades telling the Palestinians and Arab countries that time was not on their side and that if they failed to recognize Israel and its right to exist there would be no Palestinian state. But they themselves had no viable plan for what would come into existence instead and they didn’t realize that the same clock was ticking down for them too.

    The political reality is that the settlements did not inherit Israel’s supposed legitimacy and never will. In fact, the settlements made it impossible for Israel to ever fall back and disentangle itself from the bi-national problem its own policies have created. Application of Israel’s laws in Palestine simply exposed Israel’s own fundamental lack of legitimacy with regard to its non-Jewish citizens. The fact is that Netanyahu was born in a bi-national state and wishing that wasn’t so, won’t change the facts.

  16. Kathleen
    January 7, 2014, 4:46 am

    “But, in a sign of the times, Netanyahu does seem more progressive than some of his Israeli counterparts”

    More progressive from those who would exterminate if they could get away with it. Netanyahu knows he can not do that publicly..but one has to know that if he could he would.

    Netanyahu “no solution” Just another way to say we will keep building illegal settlements no matter what

    • puppies
      January 7, 2014, 4:56 am

      “who would exterminate if they could get away with it. ”
      Don’t be too sure that they can’t.

  17. Amar
    January 7, 2014, 9:22 am

    Could be a purposeful leak on part of N’yahus office. To make others see him (sort of) as well intentioned but facing a big dilemma. Ultimately I think he does see expulsion as a viable option given the right circumstances/timing and doesnt give a shit about ‘appropriate’ or not. He was on record as saying in 1989 “Israel should have taken advantage of the suppression of the demonstrations in China [Tiananmen Square], when the world’s attention was focussed on what was happening in that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the Territories. However, to my regret, they did not support that policy that I proposed, and which I still propose should be implemented.” http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2011/01/13/bibi-in-1989-supported-expulsion-from-the-territories/

    He is probably just waiting for the right moment (ie, war with Iran, terror attacks in WB, etc) to pull it off and then could claim Israels security considerations forced his hand or whatever.

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