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We’ve covered racist outreach in the Jewish community from the group Learn and Live before. Here’s the latest appeal, thanks to Henry Norr.

Learn and Live, Can you tell who is an Arab?

Learn and Live, Can you tell who is an Arab?

The group, based in Jerusalem and LA, says that it is a tax-deductible cause in the U.S., Canada and Israel. Its purpose is “saving Jewish girls from dangerous situations.” It says it is working with 600 Israeli girls–

Jewish teenage girls from dysfunctional homes are seduced and lured into Arab villages regularly beaten and raped, often locked up with no way to escape. Muhammed calls himself Moshe, and what started out as a search for love become a nightmare…

we work to prevent teenage girls from entering such relationships…. We reach these girls before they enter abusive relationships and save them before they are entrapped.

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  1. bangpound
    February 20, 2014, 6:21 pm

    I did a little digging here. The US nonprofit organization is very new and does not have any Form 990s published yet.

    http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/45-5450973/learn-return-usa.aspx

    Their street address is 3470 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1020 in Los Angeles. That’s the same address as “Global Investment and Development, LLC.” http://gidllco.com/

    On the “key management” page http://gidllco.com/key-managment.html the names Aaron Rivani and Joseph Rivani are listed.

    Aaron and Janet Rivani are identified as supporters of charitable causes in Israel. http://www.chamah.org/Parlor-Meeting-in-Beverly-Hills.html And Janet is on the board of the Magbit Foundation http://magbit.org/about.html which offers interest-free loans and scholarships for students to study at Israeli and American universities.

    • ritzl
      February 20, 2014, 6:52 pm

      Thanks for your diligence, bangpound.

    • Mivasair
      February 21, 2014, 7:57 pm

      Good work, Bangpound. Can you research the Canadian address?

      5773 Ferrier Street Suite 206. Quebec, Montreal H4P 1N3

      I see that it is the same address as the CDN office of an organization called Yad Ezra ve-Shulamit which has offices in many countries to accept donations ostensibly to help impoverished (Jewish) Israeli children, all of whom, based on photos on their website, are girls with light skin and blue eyes. Hmmm . . .

  2. American
    February 20, 2014, 6:38 pm

    good lord….
    hummm…this would be like warning about black men being ‘ a danger’ to and stalking white women or like warning Christian girls against Jewish men.
    Racist + using racism to make money…ugh.
    I saw a lot of fund raising on TV channels during my flu week on the sofa…..one was about persecuted Jews in Russia ….if Jews are being persecuted in Russia today its news to me. I dont remember the name of the outfit but they were pitching these Jews as holocaust survivors and destitute and kept in ghettos..for a $700 donation you could get a family of four out of Russia and send them to Israel.
    There was another one that was pitching that if you donate to his TV mega church God will make you rich……its disgusting, conning simple minded people…shouldnt be allowed.

    • JennieS
      February 21, 2014, 4:54 pm

      “Russian-born Israelis chase capitalist dreams to Moscow

      Russians who immigrated to Israel are increasingly moving to Moscow in search of opportunity, stability – and politer waiters.”

      Article from Ha’aretz today.

      Ooops all those donations to get Russian Jews out of the collapsing Soviet Union only to have the best & brightest go home when the situation improved.

    • Mivasair
      February 21, 2014, 7:58 pm

      These ads have been running for years. They are pitched to guilt-ridden fundamentalist Christians who watch evangelical TV shows.

      • Mivasair
        February 21, 2014, 7:59 pm

        I think they are as pathetic and insulting to us Jews as they are exploitive and manipulative of the people they’re targetting.

  3. ritzl
    February 20, 2014, 6:50 pm

    Hard to believe (or not) that this goes relatively unnoticed in the US. F’n shared values, indeed.

    I reiterate my call to Jerry Springer to cover Israel. Much Springer-ish fodder there, and, in this case, peripherally. Fistfights galore. “Great” TV. Ca-ching, Jerry, CA-CHING.

  4. marc b.
    February 20, 2014, 7:13 pm

    Jewish teenage girls from dysfunctional homes are seduced and lured into Arab villages regularly beaten and raped, often locked up with no way escape.

    Right. So is this an example of what a misogynistic society Israel is? A ten year old Palestinian throws a rock at an IDF armored personnel carrier and he’s spirited away into an interrogation site for weeks, but nothing is done about the kidnapping and rape of Jewish teenaged girls?

    • ritzl
      February 20, 2014, 10:19 pm

      Not sure about misogynistic, but if your question was whether Israel is in any way reluctant to invade Palestinian homes and pull people out, well asked. They’re not.

      So what’s the point of this fundraising call, again?

      • marc b.
        February 21, 2014, 11:55 am

        My comment was (half) tongue-in-cheek. If you spend a bit of intellectual capital trying to unravel all the patronizing, racist clap trap that is the foundation of the ‘plea’, it gets pretty ugly. (Btw, are we to know which swarthy model in the lineup is an ‘Arab’? Or is that part of the point, ‘everyone is suspect’ until proven kosher?)

        See also articles on the ‘rape by deception’ case of a few years back.

        this is an example of racist patriarchy. A man, Sabbar Kashur, has been imprisoned for doing nothing more than having consensual sex with a woman, whose name has not been disclosed. Both parties were of age, and no one alleges that the transaction took place without consent. Initially, this was not clear, as the original complaint suggested that there had been some coercion. But as the woman’s testimony in the course of the trial made clear, the only crime that Kashur, now convicted of rape, committed was to have allowed the woman to believe that he was Jewish, when in fact he was an Arab. He did not even actively perpetrate a deceit, merely chatted the woman up and didn’t say “by the way, I am an Arab”. And that has earned him 18 months in prison, on the basis of a plea bargain. Judge Tzvi Segal explained:

        “The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls.”

        Are you getting it yet? Sex with an Arab constitutes a violation of the sanctity of body and soul – an “unbearable price”. This is not a freakish opinion in Israeli society. For example, half of Israeli Jews believe intermarriage between Arabs and Jews is equivalent to national treason (that demographic ‘timebomb’, you see). Some are determined to enforce this sexual separation through violence or policy. Gangs of men in a Jerusalem neighbourhood roam around, behaving as a de facto vice and virtue squad, to ‘protect’ young Jewish girls from Arabs. One local authority has set up a squad of counsellors and psychiatrists to ‘rescue’ Jewish girls who are dating Arabs.

      • NickJOCW
        February 21, 2014, 4:44 pm

        I remember that case. He was nice looking guy, happily married, and she determined on a bite of the apple and more or less threw herself at him.

      • ritzl
        February 21, 2014, 6:52 pm

        Understood, marc b. I tried to respond in kind, but clearly failed. I always appreciate your insights.

      • marc b.
        February 21, 2014, 6:59 pm

        And I yours, ritzl.

      • a blah chick
        February 21, 2014, 7:20 pm

        “The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls.”

        My God, you could lock up Netanyahu and half his cabinet on that definition alone.

  5. a blah chick
    February 20, 2014, 7:56 pm

    “Jewish teenage girls from dysfunctional homes…”

    Hmmm, maybe they should spend a little more time helping these dysfunctional family and a little less on who is sleeping with who. Also I suspect that most of the abuse of Jewish women is coming from Jewish men, so how about working on that?

  6. RoHa
    February 20, 2014, 10:05 pm

    So, although no-one can tell which is a Jew and which is an Arab, we mustn’t let Jewish girls fall for the wrong one. Whichever one it is.

    • Taxi
      February 21, 2014, 6:39 am

      An Arab jew is still an Arab.

      • seafoid
        February 22, 2014, 3:26 pm

        “An Arab jew is still an Arab.”

        The modern day shibboleth is to play them a bit of Abdel Halim. That sorts out the gefilte fisch from the shaamis fairly quickly

      • Waterbuoy
        February 22, 2014, 9:56 pm

        @ Taxi : …. yes…and a Jewish Palestinian is now ‘classified’ as a Sephardim along with other Arabs who might also be Mizrahim?

        Why, when one is trying to protect young girls from exploitation or assault, would anyone not simply caution them in their interactions with ANY strange man. THAT is a job of parents universally.

        Is this organization implying that it would be “ok” if its daughters are kidnapped or assaulted as long as the perpetrator is not ‘arab’?

    • Giles
      February 21, 2014, 10:08 am

      Unbelievable the systemic racism of Israel.

      Shared values indeed.

    • seafoid
      February 22, 2014, 4:07 pm

      “we mustn’t let Jewish girls fall for the wrong one”

      I think they direly need some new DNA material. A lot of those Jewish men have lost their intellectual virility due to excessive Ziocaine consumption

  7. DaBakr
    February 20, 2014, 10:31 pm

    Those three guys are sure a good looking bunch. How could the poor girl help herself?

    • German Lefty
      February 21, 2014, 5:07 am

      Those three guys are sure a good looking bunch.
      You think so? Well, I prefer blond guys as well as women. So, I guess that I am safe and won’t end up in an abusive relationship.

      • Mivasair
        February 21, 2014, 8:03 pm

        Guess you’ve never met any blond Palestinians . . . of whom there are more than a few . . . carrying the genes, presumably, of either Crusaders or Roman German mercenaries or who knows . . . and — guess what — who cares?!

      • Waterbuoy
        February 22, 2014, 10:00 pm

        Precisely, Mivasair. The whole discussion around race, (the classification of “jewishness” based on THEIR racial background is telling) should be meaningless in this century, especially in “the only democracy” (TM).

  8. eljay
    February 20, 2014, 10:43 pm

    It seems that dirty Arabs are not the only people of whom Jewish girls (and boys) need to be wary and from whom they must be saved:

    Jewish fundamentalist group Lev Tahor accused of child abuses

  9. traintosiberia
    February 20, 2014, 11:01 pm

    While Bibi visits the Al Quida fighters in IDF built and maintained hospital in the Syrian border o save the ” Good ” Israel from “Evil” Arab, US Jewish organization using tax payer money are saving the fallen girls from Arab lad of ill repute. Call it the new partnership based on shared values

  10. Woody Tanaka
    February 20, 2014, 11:06 pm

    The Jews generally decried this type of racist shit when the Nazis were invoking against them in the 1930s. It’s disgusting and a spit in the face to all those tortured and murdered by the Nazis that some Jews are doing the same thing to someone else today.

    • DaBakr
      February 21, 2014, 4:47 pm

      if the Nazis EVER portrayed Jews as this good-looking I don’t think their infamous PR campaigns (with rats and roaches, etc) would ahve made as much of an impact)

      This is NOT your typical anti-Jewish ‘shit’ as you say. This is DEFINITELY some dumass ‘shit’ that is SO stupid it reads as a joke to almost anyone with a modicum of humour in their brain. The ‘3 handsome men’ are set up like their in a one-armed bandit ready for the dumb-shit girl to pull the arm and what-land on the one trick Arab? I don’t know anybody who wouldnt either chuckle at this or brush it off as total trash. You want to waste time taking this seriously, go ahead. Its the kind of thing that is ubiquitous in orthodox Arab/Muslim communities as well as all cross-cultural segments where conflicts still harbor fear and anger. This one is just extra silly and not very ominous.

      • Cliff
        February 22, 2014, 3:30 pm

        I hope you’re kidding. This is ONE ad. There are more. There are organizations in Israel devoted to this idiocy.

        Of which you have yet to criticize. INSTEAD, you make some lazy comment about it being the same in ‘orthodox Arab/Muslim communities’.

        Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia or Egypt or Jordan or whatever weren’t claiming to be the ‘only democracy in the ME’.

        The reason this is a story is because the Jewish State promotes itself (through Brand Israel and it’s partisans) as a shining oasis in a sea of Arab/Islamic barbarism.

        Israel is an apartheid State where Jews lord over non-Jews. This disgusting campaign is a testament to that power dynamic and intrinsic hate-mongering (of the people Jewish colonists steal from) of Zionism.

      • Woody Tanaka
        February 23, 2014, 6:44 am

        “if the Nazis EVER portrayed Jews as this good-looking I don’t think their infamous PR campaigns (with rats and roaches, etc) would ahve made as much of an impact) ”

        It’s not about how the proffered enemy is portrayed; it’s the same racist shit because the victim group is seducing an unwary member of the favored people (master race, chosen people, whatever), most especially women, to add a bit of misogynistic rage to the racism. The Nazis did it to the Jews, the Southern Whites did it to the Blacks, and now the zionists are doing it to the Arabs. But I guess we can’t expect any different. When your society’s governing ideology is as racist as israel’s is, this kind of thing should be expected.

  11. just
    February 20, 2014, 11:10 pm

    Funny– all of those gents look positively Israeli…

    Semitic/South American/American… handsome.

    Who’s the blue-eyed ‘victim’ who made the ‘call’ from her I-Phone?

    (“Learn and Live” and their proponents are racist slobs.)

    • Mivasair
      February 21, 2014, 8:05 pm

      Follow links to the Canadian address where people can send donations and you’ll see other photos of the poor, pathetic little girls these people save — they all have light skin and blue eyes. Hmmm . . .

  12. RoHa
    February 20, 2014, 11:12 pm

    “Jewish teenage girls from dysfunctional homes are seduced and lured into Arab villages regularly beaten and raped, often locked up with no way to escape.”

    Hold on a minute, there. Wasn’t Israel supposed to be the place where Jews would be safe?

  13. traintosiberia
    February 20, 2014, 11:38 pm

    http://www.thenational.ae/world/revealed-how-syrian-rebels-seek-medical-help-from-an-unlikely-source-in-israel

    Syrian rebels receiving medical help from Israel . This is being coordinated with the Israeli military and intelligence with full awareness of the politicians .

    • Walid
      February 21, 2014, 1:02 am

      Not just any rebels, traintosiberia, but al-Nusra (ISIS) ones according to your linked article. The ISIS fighters that Israel had initially provided with phones and is treating in field hospitals on the Golan and provided with cash upon their release to return to fighting in Syria are sworn to begin attacking Israel as soon as they have finished the job on Syria and then Lebanon. It’s somewhat similar to Israel accepting help from the Christian-Zionists that have the end of the Jews on their end time agenda. Hard to understand Israeli logic.

      • piotr
        February 21, 2014, 12:22 pm

        Christian Zionists want to wait for the Savior, but Nusra is ready now, so there is some difference.

        The logic is that once the wounded fighters will be exposed to the charming presence of Israeli Prime Minister visiting their bedsides, they will love Israel. This is an ingenious plan, but shouldn’t they use Scarlett Johansson instead? Or at least Ayalet Shaked?

      • JennieS
        February 21, 2014, 5:08 pm

        This is an ingenious plan, but shouldn’t they use Scarlett Johansson instead? Or at least Ayalet Shaked?

        Excellent suggestion piotr

      • just
        February 21, 2014, 1:23 pm

        ” Hard to understand Israeli logic.”

        Oxymorons are generally difficult to swallow when trying to grasp logic………. you know, like Israel and Democracy, and Israel and America’s Best Friend.

      • NickJOCW
        February 21, 2014, 4:56 pm

        It’s somewhat similar to Israel accepting help from the Christian-Zionists that have the end of the Jews on their end time agenda.

        Or like the US funding Ukrainian ultra right-wing anti-Semites?

  14. alizarin
    February 21, 2014, 12:43 am

    I’d let bachelor #2 lure me off to his village any day.

    • JennieS
      February 21, 2014, 5:10 pm

      I’d take any of them, but at age 64 and somewhat crippled I doubt they would be interested!

  15. Shmuel
    February 21, 2014, 1:44 am

    Just want to get my “Learn and Live” stereotypes straight:

    1) Arab men are sexy, conniving rapists.
    2) Jewish girls are idiots.
    3) Jewish men/boys are entirely unappealing.

    • tree
      February 21, 2014, 3:09 am

      Two more:

      4) The Israeli police force is incapable of preventing and/or prosecuting rape, physical abuse and kidnapping.

      5) Possible physical or sexual abuse of Jewish girls is nothing to be concerned about if the abuser is Jewish.

      • German Lefty
        February 21, 2014, 5:14 am

        @ Shmuel & tree: LOL, very good.

      • William Burns
        February 21, 2014, 7:16 am

        Don’t forget “Abuse of women by Arab men is nothing to be concerned about if the victim is Arab.”

      • tree
        February 21, 2014, 2:54 pm

        More exactly, I would say that the stereotype is that abuse of non-Jewish women by either Jewish or non-Jewish men is nothing to be concerned about.

      • Shmuel
        February 21, 2014, 3:48 pm

        I started trying to figure out what all of this says about L&L’s attitude to Arab women, but felt sick and had to get out of that poisonous mindset as soon as possible.

      • Mivasair
        February 21, 2014, 8:06 pm

        Most importantly: YOU will give US your MONEY to “save” them — that is what this is all about.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 6:19 am

        @Mivasair;

        From a Rabbi, I expect, at least, to be sensitive to human rights. Several of those women lost their rights to live in dignity in their way.

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 7:18 am

        Mahane– your government and IOF have denied the indigenous Palestinians “their rights to live in dignity in their way.”

        I wonder WHY are you so concerned about Jewish ladies & their coupling choices. Why bother to spend time defending Learn and Live racism? Aren’t you an angry Jewish Arab? Do you appreciate the irony?

      • seafoid
        February 22, 2014, 8:20 am

        Rabbis for human rights- it’s a fringe group whose name suggests most rabbis are not interested in human rights.

        And there are plenty of examples of Hasidic cults that abuse women as well. It’s not like Judaism has a monopoly on goodness. I think it’s very close to the human mean, in fact.

      • Cliff
        February 22, 2014, 3:32 pm

        Potato-seller, stop defending this ugly racist anti-miscegenation campaign.

      • Cliff
        February 23, 2014, 11:16 am

        Why isn’t KahaneYehude1 banned for supporting anti-miscegenation?

        Why doesn’t MW follow it’s own fucking rules?

        We are turning into a StormFront (ie, comment section of Haaretz, YNET, Yahoo! News) for Zionist Jewish supremacists.

      • puppies
        February 23, 2014, 12:42 pm

        @Cliff – Obvious Zionist propaganda, as opposed to sincere discussion of a particular point, is the mind-numbing noise on this site. At times it is in the majority. I submit that systematic, soldier-like continuous propaganda of Zionism by dedicated agents is worse than the defense of just one of its many corollaries. Don’t strain at a gnat when you swallowed that camel.
        I don’t know what the site owner had in mind when allowing propaganda agents. If he explained it I was not paying attention; others may offer correction. Nothing to do with free speech or a dearth of propaganda outlets, of course. Maybe he sees this site as a training ground for some school debating society.
        The net effect, of course, is such an intolerable, attention-grabbing noise that all of us without exception are wasting most of our time talking to the enemy instead of discussing what to do.

    • piotr
      February 21, 2014, 12:28 pm

      The angle of Jewish men being unappealing was explored by Shas during the last Knesset campaign. The video ad was controversial and pulled out, so I am not sure if one can find in on you-tube. Poor chaps are in the danger of getting gorgeous Russian brides WITHOUT proper conversions, and Shas promised to do something about it.

      • a blah chick
        February 21, 2014, 5:28 pm

        I saw it, even without a translation it was hilarious. But it had to be pulled because it was Mizrahi making fun of Ashkenazi, their betters. And you cannot do that, oh, no, no, no!

    • DaBakr
      February 21, 2014, 4:57 pm

      @shm:
      wrong conclusion. If you find the three men to be sexy and appealing the point is, you can not tell wether they are Arab Muslims. Arab Jews, or even worse, Arab-Israeli Muslims or Arab-Israeli Christians or Israeli-Jews. What is a wide-eyed dumb looking girl like the one in the photo supposed to do when faced with such lascivious comely young men?

      (I think you’ll find it would be Israeli women who would find this to be the most absurd, ridiculous and unworthy then any other demographic)

    • JennieS
      February 21, 2014, 5:11 pm

      Seems right.

  16. German Lefty
    February 21, 2014, 5:12 am

    I wonder if the depicted guys know what their photos are used for.

  17. Sumud
    February 21, 2014, 10:03 am

    Having a read of their web site I came across an article on the group in the settler rag Arutz Sheva:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165805#.UwdooX8ayK1

    And it mentioned one of their staff member’s names, Patty Kupfer. A little more looking around and here are some excerpts from an article in which she is interviewed:

    Learn and Live has helped hundreds of these teens. Rav Zev Leff, Rav Ovadia Yosef, Rav Berel Wein, Jonathan Rosenblum, and Lori Palatnik have joined Learn and Live in spearheading the fight for the rights of these missing teenagers. “This is a fight for Kedushas Israel”, stated Rav Shimon, the Director of Learn and Live. “This problem has hit our frum community. There are religious girls who have gone off the derech and are in relationships with Arabs” , stated Rav Shimon.

    With 32 nightly centers serving 3000 at risk youth throughout Israel, Learn and Live has prevented and rescued hundreds of girls from this terrible fate. Patty Kupfer from the organization stated, “No one realizes how many Jewish girls are trapped. We received 300 calls this year alone from girls begging to be rescued. We estimate there are over 10,000 girls physically or emotionally trapped. Our goals are prevention, rescue and rehabilitation. Doesn’t it make more sense to prevent a vulnerable girl from getting trapped then to send a team into an Arab village on a life threatening mission to rescue her? “

    The question is why would a Jewish girl go with an Arab or Sudanese man? “Besides the vulnerability, the new generations of Israelis have been raised on secularism, co-existence and universalism. They see no problem going with an Arab or Sudanese, or other men who are not Jewish. We asked a 17-year-old teenage girl why she was getting into a car with a group of Arabs she hardly knew. She explained, “We go with them all the time. They buy us whatever we want. Why not? “ explained Mrs. Kupfer.

    Yeshiva World News / Learn And Live’s Unique Mission to Save Missing Jewish Girls From Arab Villages

    So Ovadia Yosef lent his name to their project, also Eli Yishai.

    32 centres around Israel – sounds like a big organisation – are they legit? Their web site makes the organisation seem very sketchy, but lots of opportunities to DONATE. Could just be they have a terrible and clueless web designer. No street address listed, just a PO box

  18. MahaneYehude1
    February 21, 2014, 12:15 pm

    I want to ask the women participate in this thread two simple questions:

    How would you feel if after a few months you’re friends with a young guy, you realize he lied to you about his religion, family, career, etc?

    How would you feel if the man you love and married him, changed his attitude towards you and forces on you a lifestyle completely strange to you?

    • libra
      February 21, 2014, 1:45 pm

      Mahane, I want to ask you just one simple question:

      After looking at these mug shots, I think my potato purveyor might be an Arab; should I switch suppliers?

      • Keith
        February 21, 2014, 5:25 pm

        LIBRA- “After looking at these mug shots, I think my potato purveyor might be an Arab; should I switch suppliers?”

        Only if you plan on baking them. Deep frying, however, is inherently purifying. In fact, blue-eyed Ashkenazi visiting Israel seem to prefer these local Hebrew fries containing just a hint of forbidden spice.

    • German Lefty
      February 21, 2014, 2:02 pm

      @ MahaneYehude1

      How would you feel if after a few months you’re friends with a young guy, you realize he lied to you about his religion, family, career, etc?

      This is NOT the issue here. Nobody denies that such incidents happen. The problem we discuss here is that “Learn & Live” makes generalisations about Arab men. As if ALL Arab men were dangerous liars. This is clearly racist. Ata mevin?

    • Walid
      February 21, 2014, 2:04 pm

      How many times did this happen, Mahane? Sounds like the one and only time it happened in Israel about 4 years ago and the Palestinian was convicted for impersonating a Jew supposedly to seduce a Jewish girl. and the Palestinian lad involved changed his name from Sabbar Kashur to Dudu. The Israeli justice system considered it a form of rape!!! It’s bad enough you guys are running with a stale-dated story, but the worst of it is that you believe it and actually believe there are 10,000 Jewish damsels sexually held captive in Palestinian villages. Maybe Palestinian lads are more fun-guys because they are not as paranoid as the Israeli Jewish ones.

      from Haaretz:

      “… No longer a youth, Sabbar/Dudu worked as a deliveryman for a lawyer’s office, rode his scooter around Jerusalem and delivered documents, affidavits and sworn testimonies, swearing to everyone that he was Dudu. Two years ago he met a woman by chance. Nice to meet you, my name is Dudu. He claims that she came on to him, but let’s leave the details aside. Soon enough they went where they went and what happened happened, all by consent of the parties concerned. One fine day, a month and a half after an afternoon quickie, he was summoned to the police on suspicion of rape.

      His temporary lover discovered that her Dudu wasn’t a Dudu after all, that the Jew is (gasp! ) an Arab, and so she filed a complaint against the impostor. Her body was violated by an Arab. From then on Kashur was placed under house arrest for two years, an electronic cuff on his ankle. This week his sentence was pronounced: 18 months in jail….”

      http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/he-impersonated-a-human-1.303359

      • a blah chick
        February 21, 2014, 6:34 pm

        I wonder if the reason for his going by the name Dudu had more to do with being able to go about Jerusalem unmolested than with picking up women.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 1:02 am

        @Walid:

        How many times did this happen, Mahane? Sounds like the one and only time it happened in Israel about 4 years ago and the Palestinian was convicted for impersonating a Jew supposedly to seduce a Jewish girl.

        This story is the only story in which the man was sentenced and convicted. But, here in Israel there are many stories in newspapers and in TV about such girls that were cheated by Palestinian men that promised them the Sun and the Moon but after they married they were forced to change their way of life, something that most of them didn’t accept but had to obey.

        Look, Walid, I have no problem with intermarriage as long as the couple knows each other and the relationship between them based on love and trust. There are many such couples in Israel and once they married, they have all the rights of married couple (Mashkanta, education, etc.). My problem is with the women that were cheated and forced to live in bad conditions, obey the Muslim religious laws and, worse of all, to cut her relationships with her family and former friend. I don’t have to tell you what will be the consequences if a Jewish man would do the same to a Muslim woman. I sure you know.

        I assume you saw the film or know the book “Not without my daughter” telling the escape of American citizen Betty Mahmoody and her daughter from her husband in Iran after she was cheated and forced to changed her lifestyle, and even couldn’t do shopping alone. Similar stories you hear in Israel and the women are always Jews. I never heard, even not one time, about a Palestinian woman that experienced the same situation.

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 4:27 am

        here in Israel there are many stories in newspapers and in TV about such girls that were cheated by Palestinian men that promised them the Sun and the Moon but after they married they were forced to change their way of life, something that most of them didn’t accept but had to obey.

        Any sources that don’t ultimately lead back to one of these racist and self-serving organisations (who do indeed make a great deal of fuss in the media)? Any indictments? Convictions? Statistics? Without these things, you are simply engaging in racist generalisations.

        I used to volunteer at the Jerusalem Rape Crisis Centre. The level of abuse and deception by Jewish and non-Jewish men in Israeli society (and sadly, most societies) is astounding. So why focus on the way some Arab men have reportedly treated their Jewish spouses, unless (on some level) one shares the agenda of “Learn and Live”?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 6:10 am

        @Shmuel;

        I used to volunteer at the Jerusalem Rape Crisis Centre. The level of abuse and deception by Jewish and non-Jewish men in Israeli society (and sadly, most societies) is astounding.

        – Even there are only 10 women, not 10,000, they have the right to live their lives. We don’t need statistics, each person is a whole world.
        כל המציל נפש אחת כאילו הציל עולם ומלואו
        I omitted one word from the verse.

        -If you used to volunteer in Jerusalem Rape Crisis Centre, you know that there are also Jewish women that were abused by Jewish men and were forced to live under fear and threats (The “Taliban women”, Goel Ratzon with his so called wives, etc.). you also know that those women received protection from the welfare system. So, it is not truth to say that we care only “if the woman is a Jew and the man is an Arab”. it is not truth at all.

        I want to say again: I have no problem with intermarriage. Each person has the right to live his life and to choose his partner. I am writing here to emphasize the problem of those miserable women. I don’t care the organization and don’t support them. I only use the opportunity to speak about the problem of the abused women in Israel.

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 7:36 am

        We don’t need statistics, each person is a whole world.

        Got it. You have no evidence beyond the stereotype of the perfidious, lascivious, violent, misogynistic Arab.

        On the word you say you left out, see my comment here: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/on-60-stahl-says-spielberg-experienced-serious-anti-semitic-attacks.html/comment-page-1#comment-510336

      • Sumud
        February 22, 2014, 2:18 pm

        I assume you saw the film or know the book “Not without my daughter”

        Must be real if you saw it on the telly then.

        Not Without My Daughter has been criticized for its perceived misrepresentation of and bias towards Iran, Iranian Muslims and Iranian culture. Caryn James of The New York Times, in a review, states that the movie “exploits the stereotype of the demonic Iranian…it is an utter artistic failure, and its reliance on cultural stereotype is a major cause”. Moody, she writes, seems to be a “pure product of his culture, a mysterious, misogynist Easterner…the film views fanaticism as the Iranian national character”. A review in the Los Angeles Times described the movie as “unbalanced and distorted” which “fails to distinguish between the (Iranian) state and the people”. In his review, film critic Roger Ebert noted the film made “moral and racial assertions that are deeply troubling” and that it “does not play fair with its Muslim characters. If a movie of such a vitriolic and spiteful nature were to be made in America about any other ethnic group, it would be denounced as racist and prejudiced.”
        WP / Not Without My Daughter / Controversy and criticism

        Bibi’s second favourite film?

        Here you are Mahane, a documentary depicting how horrid arabs really are and letting us know what a good job Hollywood has done to educate us:

        http://youtu.be/qHihlTw5Kck

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 2:42 pm

        The movie was/is trash.

        I have utter contempt for it. Hollywood’s anti- Iranian bias raised its ugly head again, while we were killing Iraqis next door.

      • German Lefty
        February 22, 2014, 4:24 pm

        Not Without My Daughter has been criticized for its perceived misrepresentation of and bias towards Iran, Iranian Muslims and Iranian culture.

        As a child, when I watched the film for the first time, it made me scared of Muslims. Also, I remember that my mother muttered something like, “That’s what happens when you marry a Muslim.”

      • German Lefty
        February 22, 2014, 5:34 pm

        @ Sumud: Thanks a lot for linking this great documentary. I am watching it right now.

      • Kris
        February 22, 2014, 6:43 pm

        @Sumud–Many thanks for the link to “How Zionist Hollywood Brainwashes You to Hate Arabs,” which is based on the book, “Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People,” by Dr. Jack G. Shaheen.

        In this documentary, Dr. Shaheen uses clips of movies to demonstrate how movies and television have been used for years to influence Americans to despise and fear Arabs and Muslims, especially Palestinians, thus harnessing the powerful forces of stereotypes and racism on behalf of U.S. foreign policy.

      • Sumud
        February 23, 2014, 1:17 am

        German Lefty & Kris – you’re welcome.

        Kris the title of the docu is the same as the book Reel Bad Arabs.

        It’s a real eye opener when you realise the amount of anti-arab and anti-muslim propaganda that we’ve all been subjected over the years.

        Details aside I see little difference between this and the most toxic anti-semitism to come out of Europe early last century. So dehumanising.

      • ritzl
        February 23, 2014, 2:52 pm

        @Sumud- Thanks for the link. Great documentary.

        Contrast that generic, ongoing, seemingly accepted-as-fact stereotyping of Arabs with the reception that ONE film, “Valley of the Wolves – Palestine” (about the aftermath of the Mavi Marmara murders) got in Germany. It portrayed Israelis in exactly the same way (slavering subhumans), was called “anti-semitic,” and banned there.

        http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/valley-of-the-wolves-controversy-anti-semitic-turkish-blockbuster-denied-release-in-germany-a-741780.html

        It’s just an amazing double standard. The intentional and self-serving obliviousness of power and influence, iow “We do it because we can.”

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 5:13 pm

        Hey Mahane– watch this and get back to me, please. This is also about violence and assault.

        http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/02/10/3939266.htm

      • German Lefty
        February 23, 2014, 9:52 am

        @ Sumud (no reply button)

        t’s a real eye opener when you realise the amount of anti-arab and anti-muslim propaganda that we’ve all been subjected over the years.

        I have only seen one of the films that were mentioned in the documentary. That one was “Back to the Future”. Even if I had watched more, I probably would not have noticed the propaganda because it’s hidden and embedded in the plot of the films. Also, I am aware that not all Muslims or Arabs are the same. Therefore, I simply would have assumed that the villains just happen to be Arabs. Only if you examine several films with Arab characters, you realise that there is a pattern.
        Mr. Shaheen’s statement that “yesteryear’s Arab Land is today’s Arab Land” reminded me a bit of how Germany is depicted in US films. You never see present-day Germany, only Nazi Germany.
        Also, I had to think of the film “Sex and the City 2” and an episode of “The Nanny” titled “Not Without My Nanny”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RziTlu26S0Y
        In general, US films cast foreigners in a negative light. For example, Green card marriages are a popular topic. This gives the false impression that the USA is a paradise on earth and that life outside of the USA is miserable.

      • just
        February 23, 2014, 3:06 pm

        Mahane– continued from above:

        the documentary also chronicles kidnapping– terrorism that your government perpetrates!

    • Taxi
      February 21, 2014, 2:12 pm

      “How would you feel if the man you love and married him, changed his attitude towards you and forces on you a lifestyle completely strange to you?”

      Mahane, you need to get out more often. At least 50% of women worldwide have experienced this unpleasant but common ordeal.

      Surely at your age you would know that both men and women practice the art of deception when romancing. I have no doubt that some jewish women have pretended not to be jewish when out on a hunt on a Friday night. So what? What’s the big deal? People lie to get what they want; just ask uncle Herzl.

      My dear, your average jewish woman is not more vulnerable or more naive than your average female goy. What you’re actually defending, incessantly, as usual, is the blatant racism and exceptionalism so rife in modern jewish-zionist communities.

      Sadly, you will keep f*cking up nice jewish youngsters to gratify the insatiable zionist monster known as israel.

      Do they not teach you about love in your zionist academies and synagogues? Do they not teach you that the ‘laws of attraction’ are mysterious and unfathomable – that there are actually NO mortal laws that can be applied to the chemistry between two people? Do they not teach you that human fickleness is not a crime against god but just part of the human condition? Do they teach you anything other than the fear of the other?

      The harder you push against universalism, the more racist you appear, and the more of a detached and sinking island you will become.

      But then again, harmonious coexistence, which is universalism, was never part of the zionist manifesto, so why should you zionists care what the world thinks about your racist mindset? Clearly, you’d rather be fatally ‘unique’.

      So be it.

      • amigo
        February 22, 2014, 8:33 am

        No reply button.

        Club mehane

        “I want to say again: I have no problem with intermarriage. Each person has the right to live his life and to choose his partner. ”

        Should read!!!

        “I want to say again: I have no problem with intermarriage. Each person has the right to live his/HER life and to choose his/HER partner.”

        You got a problem giving women equal rights spud??.

        Btw —HER is the word you left out.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 12:36 pm

        @shmuel:

        Got it. You have no evidence beyond the stereotype of the perfidious, lascivious, violent, misogynistic Arab.

        I am very surprised to read such response from someone who lived in Israel and speak Hebrew. I sure that you still read the Israeli Hebrew newspapers or web sites and know better than most of the people here what is going in Israel. Don’t tell me that you didn’t hear the many testimonies of women that were escaped from their husbands, don’t say you didn’t see the many programs in the Israeli TV including the famous report in Uvda by Orly Vilnai-Federbush (Arutz 2).

        Look, Shmuel, Israel is not a fascist state although several of you think so. No one in Israel do statistic about “how many unhappy Jewish women live in Arab villages”. I can’t provide statistics even if I try. But there are many testimonies by Jewish women telling their stories. If you accept the testimonies of IDF soldiers telling about what happen in the West Bank, if you accept the testimonies of Palestinians telling about tortures in Israeli prisons, you have to accept the testimonies of those women to. If you care about human rights and human dignity, you have to be with my side and support those women that were cheated and were forced to live against their will. It don’t say that you have to support racist organizations, No, only little sympathy to those abused women.

        Shavua Tov

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 2:29 pm

        Don’t tell me that you didn’t hear the many testimonies of women that were escaped from their husbands, don’t say you didn’t see the many programs in the Israeli TV including the famous report in Uvda by Orly Vilnai-Federbush (Arutz 2).

        I haven’t read anything not linked to one of these racist organisations and/or their political/religious patrons.

        I don’t watch “Uvdah”, but from the few minutes available on line, the report is on Palestinian (“Bedouin but not only”) guys hitting on Jewish girls in the Israeli south. The “incriminating” snippet up on the “Yad L’Achim” Youtube channel ends with a couple of girls saying yeah we took the drinks, but we’re not going to give the guy what he wants, and Vilnay-Federbush saying “It’s not clear who are the exploiters and who are the exploited.”

        Is that it? Or is there something about the scenario you (and “Learn and Live”) have been describing: kidnapping, imprisonment, physical and sexual abuse, etc.?

        The detailed testimonies of IDF soldiers are collected recorded, cross-checked and published by a reliable organisation, and they are consistent with very numerous testimonies and documented evidence (collected and published by other reliable organisations). They also coincide with things I have seen and heard from people I know personally, and my own military experience during the first intifada.

        To compare this to “Learn and Live” or “Yad L’Achim” anti-miscegenation fundraising tales about tens of thousands of Saras held captive against their will by “countless Omars and Abduls and Muhammads” who all behave in exactly the same fashion, is simply nonsense.

        If you care about human rights and human dignity, you have to be with my side and support those women that were cheated and were forced to live against their will. It don’t say that you have to support racist organizations, No, only little sympathy to those abused women.

        Unlike you, I make no excuses for violence and abuse, nor do I make vague and racist generalisations and then hide behind things like “women’s rights”. If you have facts, cite them. If you don’t, you are merely perpetuating stereotypes and exploiting the real suffering of women in Israel/Palestine at the hands of Jewish and non-Jewish men. Violence against women is rife in Israel — among Jews and Palestinians, Haredim, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, you name it. Unless you have some reason to single out this particular form of violence by this particular group (Palestinian men) against that particular group (Jewish women), you are no better than “Learn and Live”.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 2:42 pm

        @Shmuel:

        Last words from my side: Even if ten different organizations will do research and documentation, you all will reject them as racist organizations. That is my problem in this web site: organizations that collect evidences against us are welcomed, the opposite are rejected.

        Thanks for the opportunity to bring the story of those abused women.

        Again, Shavua Tov.

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 2:53 pm

        Thank you Shmuel.

        Sadly, violence against women is world- wide. It crosses all socioeconomic levels, every religion, every ‘culture’, every country, every race.

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 3:15 pm

        Even if ten different organizations will do research and documentation, you all will reject them as racist organizations.

        1. You have not cited any research or documentation. If and when you do, I will be happy to evaluate it with an open mind. This is a subject (violence against women) I care deeply about.
        2. Are you suggesting that “Learn and Live” is not a racist organisation?!
        3. As I mentioned, when I lived in Israel, I was active in the struggle against violence against women (and even taught the subject to students and other volunteers). We used data. We didn’t make stuff up and claim that ‘we don’t need statistics’ or ‘it’s been in the papers, don’t you know’.

        That is my problem in this web site: organizations that collect evidences against us are welcomed, the opposite are rejected.

        You think “Learn and Live” is on your “side”, and that its “information” is rejected here because it somehow “defends” Jewish Israelis? You really can’t think of any other reason why someone might reject unsourced, racist hype?

        Thanks for the opportunity to bring the story of those abused women.

        You have brought no story. Keyboard warrior that you are, you have merely tried to defend your “side” and, for some odd reason, you have decided that your country needs you to stick up for “Learn and Live”. Live and learn, I guess.

      • Cliff
        February 22, 2014, 3:37 pm

        @Potato seller

        Where are your sources? You keep talking about all these occurrences.

        Prove it!

    • tree
      February 21, 2014, 3:27 pm

      Well, I’ a bit old for the cohort but I’m female, so let me answer:

      How would you feel if after a few months you’re friends with a young guy, you realize he lied to you about his religion, family, career, etc?

      In the first place I couldn’t care less what his religion is. I’m not a bigot so there would be no reason for him to lie to me about his religion. As to lying about his family, career, etc. I would wonder why he didn’t feel comfortable telling me the truth, but I’m smart enough to know that men lying about themselves is an issue that crosses all ethnic and religious lines, in other words, Jewish men are just as capable of lying as anyone else.

      So the question is, why are you, and this reprehensible organization, focusing only on Arab men and Jewish girls, when the problem of domestic abuse is a problem across the board in Israel, and, due to the Jewish Israeli taboos against Jewish girls hanging out with Arab boys, the Arab men/Jewish women domestic abuse is no doubt a very small percentage of the overall domestic abuse problem in Israel. And, further, this organization’s sole answer to this is for Jewish girls not to date Arab boys, which assumes that every Arab boy/man is an abuser, which is of course untrue. There are plenty of Jewish boys/men who are abusers and yet I’m sure that this organization is not counseling Jewish girls not to date Jewish boys, even though percentage wise its much more likely that a Jewish woman’s abuser is likewise Jewish. In fact, it sounds like Jewish girls dating only Jewish boys is the organizations preferred result, which does nothing to prevent a Jewish girl from being a possible victim of domestic abuse. It only assures that the abuser will be Jewish.

      How would you feel if the man you love and married him, changed his attitude towards you and forces on you a lifestyle completely strange to you?

      I would be incredibly disappointed and would leave him, but I would do this no matter who he was or what his ethnicity or religion was. You seem to be under the impression that only Arab men do this, but I can assure you that men from all ethnic and religious, or even non-religious, persuasions can do this, and some of them do. I’ve know enough women who’ve dealt with this, including my own sister. And none of their husbands were Arab.

      So answer me these two questions, because you seem to think that Arab men marrying Jewish women under false pretenses and forcing them to live in “Arab villages” is a significant problem.

      How does a non-Jewish man marry a Jewish woman in Israel? He doesn’t. There is only religious marriage in Israel and inter-religious couples have to marry outside the state in order to be considered legally married in Israel. So how can a non-Jewish man marry a Jewish girl in Israel and maintain a falsity that he is Jewish?

      Number two, this is a quote from you from less than three weeks ago.

      Why cAn Israeli Jew only woRk buT not live witHin the Arab cities and villages built in Israel?

      You personally claimed (falsely it turned out) that Jews can’t live within Arab villages, and yet now here you are defending the idea that there are a significant number of Jewish girls living in Arab villages, against their own will at that. Are you having trouble keeping your lies straight?

      • Shmuel
        February 21, 2014, 3:44 pm

        which assumes that every Arab boy/man is an abuser

        “Learn and Live” says so explicitly in their brochure (the title of which is “learn and live Rescues 250 Girls from Arabs”, not “from abusive relationships” or even “from abusive relationships with Arabs”):

        The numbers are staggering. Tens of thousands of Jewish
        girls have fallen into the trap, caught in the clutches of countless Omars and Abduls and Muhammads. We hear many of their horrific firsthand accounts. Unfortunately, once an Arab lures his Jewish “catch” into his village, their stories don’t offer all that much variety. …

        For some reason, MY1 feels it’s part of his defend Israel brief to stand up for these racist thugs.

      • tree
        February 21, 2014, 4:13 pm

        Tens of thousands of Jewish girls have fallen into the trap, caught in the clutches of countless Omars and Abduls and Muhammads. We hear many of their horrific firsthand accounts. Unfortunately, once an Arab lures his Jewish “catch” into his village, their stories don’t offer all that much variety. …

        Here you and I, Shmuel, were answering Mahane’s fib that Jews weren’t allowed to live in Arab towns or villages in Israel with a few examples that we knew of personally of Jews living peacefully in Arab localities and Mahane responded with this:

        The same you and tree, you mentioned several examples, but I don’t think these few examples can attest to the rule. In general, Palestinians can’t live in the settlements and Israeli Jews can’t live in Arab villages.

        Apparently all we had to do to make our point was quote from “Learn and Live” about the “tens of thousands” of Jewish girls trapped in Arab villages. Mahane seems to accept their garbage without hesitation.

      • Shmuel
        February 21, 2014, 4:42 pm

        Apparently all we had to do to make our point was quote from “Learn and Live” about the “tens of thousands” of Jewish girls trapped in Arab villages. Mahane seems to accept their garbage without hesitation.

        It all depends on what aspect of Israeli policy or society he happens to be defending at a given moment. When it’s settlement apartheid, there are no Jews in Arab towns. When it’s marriage laws, there are thousands of Jewish women who have married Muslim men (a figure for which he has no source other than the racist propaganda of organisations like “Learn and Live”). When it’s anti-miscegenation campaigns, it must be all about misrepresentation.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 1:50 am

        @tree:

        From your long comment I understand that you have no much idea about life in Israel and you think that the problems in Israel are the same problems all around the world. Before I refer to several of your arguments let me say again and again: I have no problem with intermarriage as long as the couple knows each other and the relations between them based on love and trust. Please, read my response to Walid. The problem starts when a woman, in this case Jewish but can be any nationality, is cheated and is forced to live in conditions against her will. Now, to your arguments.

        In the first place I couldn’t care less what his religion is.

        OK, it is your right, but there are people who do care their religion (I assume most people on the world) and it is their right.

        Jewish men are just as capable of lying as anyone else.

        I agree with you. I also told my wife, before we married, that I am an Olympic champion and a professor of political sciences, but I never closed her in the house and forced her to convert and to go shopping with my brothers while her face is covered, for instance. This is also an answer to your first question.

        I would be incredibly disappointed and would leave him, but I would do this no matter who he was or what his ethnicity or religion was.

        Lucky you. You have the right to leave the man who you don’t like. Those women have no right to do it. I hope a Palestinian from the West Bank would enter this thread and confirm this argument. As I recommended Walid, I strongly recommend you to read the book “Not without my daughter”.

        You personally claimed (falsely it turned out) that Jews can’t live within Arab villages, and yet now here you are defending the idea that there are a significant number of Jewish girls living in Arab villages, against their own will at that. Are you having trouble keeping your lies straight?

        Yes, and I will repeat and say it again and again:
        1) Jews can’t live within Arab villages (and live as Jews)
        2) There are a significant number of Jewish girls living in Arab villages, against their own will.

        Those two facts are truth and I will write them many times.

        Look, tree, I am not defending here the organization and I even didn’t check their web site. I am writing here about a severe problem in Israel that must be stopped. No woman, Jewish, Muslim or Christian, has to live against her will and cut her relations with her family and friends because her husband wants. All women, Jewish, Muslim or Christian, have the right to be integral part of their families and decide how to educate their children. For you it sounds obvious, unfortunately there are women in Israel that for them it is a dream.

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 4:59 am

        “I also told my wife, before we married, that I am an Olympic champion and a professor of political sciences”

        Wow. A confessed liar. How charming.

        “I never closed her in the house and forced her to convert and to go shopping with my brothers while her face is covered, for instance. This is also an answer to your first question.”

        That’s so wonderful. Good luck with your potato business/”freedom” fries.

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 5:06 am

        “I never closed her in the house and forced her to convert and to go shopping with my brothers while her face is covered, for instance.”

        Who has? Real names and sources please. “Sara” and one of the “Omars and Abduls and Muhammads” don’t count.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 5:54 am

        @Just;

        Very disappointing response!!

        Wow. A confessed liar. How charming.

        Do you understand what is the meaning of cynical arguments?

      • LeaNder
        February 22, 2014, 7:31 am

        Interestingly Mehane here alludes to Not without my daughter. When I read the passages below, it triggered exactly that imagery:

        The problem starts when a woman, in this case Jewish but can be any nationality, is cheated and is forced to live in conditions against her will. Now, to your arguments. … but I never closed her in the house and forced her to convert and to go shopping with my brothers while her face is covered, for instance.

        When I was a student decades back in Berlin, I knew a guy who didn’t have a different cultural background, but he still locked his wife into his flat everyday because he was hyper-jealous, till a group of women finally got her out of there.

        Not without my daughter was interestingly produced in Israel and the US: Wikipedia link. I wish we had more information about Betty or her daughter.

        There is a documentary countering her account of of the story

        Strictly I met an Iranian taxi driver over here in Cologne, who moved to Germany because he didn’t want his four daughters to grow up in Iran under the present conditions. An Iranian man imagine.

        But how about evidence concerning Palestinians as Shmuel rightly demands here. Valid evidence ideally from both sides. Can’t really be difficult if we talk about tens of thousands.

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 7:47 am

        Interestingly Mehane here alludes to Not without my daughter.

        Further indication that MY’s “information” is based on nothing more than a racist stereotype. I asked for evidence of his claims regarding Jewish women and Palestinian men, and the best he could do was a fictionalised account regarding an Iranian man and an American woman, that is supposed to have occurred decades ago. They have “Omars and Abduls and Muhammads” in Iran too, don’t they?

      • puppies
        February 22, 2014, 3:08 pm

        @mahan – “There are a significant number of Jewish girls living in Arab villages, against their own will.”

        So what is the so efficient army doing? They can enter anywhere and massacre the husband’s whole goyish tribe in a NY minute, where’s the problem? Even if the bride is happy where she is.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 3:08 pm

        @Just;

        Sadly, violence against women is world- wide. It crosses all socioeconomic levels, every religion, every ‘culture’, every country, every race.

        Correct, so let’s support all of them no matter who are the abusers.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 3:47 pm

        @Shmuel:

        1) I told you, no one can do “research” about the problem, since he will be considered a racist. The problem exists!!! Many women telling their story can’t be liars. Why should they? why they call to rescue them?
        2) Did I mention the organization? I even didn’t open their site. To be against intermarriage is racism, to help abused women is not racism.
        3) I think the first answer is enough.

        Again, I don’t care the organization and don’t want to be in their side. I want to be in the side of those abused women. With or without the organization, the problem exists.

        We are all keyboard warriors here, Shmuel. The only difference between us is that I do care the human rights of the Palestinian and the Jewish peoples on this land. You all seems to me that you care only the Palestinian human rights and have no ability to speak against Palestinians, even if several of them behave in unfair way.

        BTW, how many cases of Jewish men abused Muslim women do you remember from your volunteering? I guess zero.

      • Cliff
        February 22, 2014, 3:54 pm

        Potato-salesman said:

        I told you, no one can do “research” about the problem, since he will be considered a racist. The problem exists!!! Many women telling their story can’t be liars. Why should they? why they call to rescue them?

        If there are ‘many’ then PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE.

        Don’t you think it’s reasonable for someone to ask for proof?

        Why do you think we will accept your opinion when you cannot provide ANY evidence?

        All you do is repeat yourself without answering our simple request.

        Rather than provide sources, you try to switch the topic to ‘what about Jews abusing Muslim women’.

        You are a coward and a buffoon.

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 4:25 pm

        Unfortunately, a concern troll as well.

        I guess he thinks we don’t recognize zionist/racist hasbara, either.

        (btw– the Learn and Live BS diminishes the very real victims of abuse and violence).

      • Shmuel
        February 22, 2014, 4:11 pm

        The problem exists!!! Many women telling their story can’t be liars. Why should they? why they call to rescue them?

        I thought you said something about “last words”. Never mind. How do you know the problem exists? Where have you heard their stories? How do you know they call to be rescued? You must be getting your information from somewhere? Yet you have been unable to cite a single source.

        how many cases of Jewish men abused Muslim women do you remember from your volunteering?

        The statistics we had were based on the identity of the abused women, as there were three separate hotlines, two in Hebrew (general and Haredi) and one in Arabic. To the best of my recollection, no separate data was collected on the identity of the abusers. Some Arab women may have been abused by Jews and some Jewish women may have been abused by Arabs, but the only thing that mattered to these women and to the women who offered them support was to stop the abuse. The tools that were used were the police, courts, shelters, social services, education, legislation, etc.

        No need for self-aggrandising descriptions of commando-style raids “to rescue Jewish girls from Arabs”, but assistance to all abused women, regardless of their ethnicity/religion or that of their abuser — real women, suffering real abuse, not vague generalisations and stereotypes.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 4:42 pm

        @Shmuel:

        Are all the testimonies not enough for you? Are all the reports in official TV programs not enough for you? What B’tzelem are doing? collect testimonies. How do you know their testimonies are not fake? what are your sources? From time to time I read here in MW posts that based on story of one person.
        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/refugees-marching-jerusalem.html
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/moments-in-palestine.html

        Look, Shmuel, I didn’t say that there are not other men from different nationalities abuse women. But the story of the women that were cheated by Palestinians are unique!! because several of them are forced to live in the villages against their will. Why do you care the statistics? 100 are not enough? 10 are not enough? Why are you doing efforts to show that I have no sources hence the problem doesn’t exist? Why? don’t you care those women? I support assistance to all abused women regardless their ethnicity but among those women are several that were cheated by Palestinians. They should be protected together with others. There are many organizations and governmental offices help to abused women. why you are sticking to those women only? because the husbands are Palestinians? let me surprise you – there are also evil Palestinians. You in MW should learn this fact. Good Night.

      • puppies
        February 22, 2014, 5:27 pm

        @Mahan – I changed my mind. Your rants should remain and increase, because just looking at them is disgusting a lot of people from your “Israel”. You have all the extremely repellent features of most people grown up in that shitty, uncivilized place without the benefit of a civilized family to correct it: the whingeing approach, the intolerable insistence, never taking enough for an answer, the pushiness, the assumed familiarity, the deadly threatening iced undertone… Just a couple lines are enough.

      • amigo
        February 22, 2014, 4:21 pm

        “We are all keyboard warriors here, Shmuel. The only difference between us is that I do care the human rights of the Palestinian and the Jewish peoples on this land. You all seems to me that you care only the Palestinian human rights and have no ability to speak against Palestinians, even if several of them behave in unfair way.”mehane ???.

        This supposed singular mehane posted the following in august 2013.

        “Indeed, there are racists among the Israelis, I believe the same as in Germany or USA. But in general the Israeli society is very open and tolerant. The Ethiopian Jews are an integral part of our society – You can find Ethiopian Jews in all life fields: Education, business, army officers, police, science, medicine and..yes, unfortunately, in dark side of any society: Drugs, prostitution etc.”my1

        Who is kidding who spud.You are a liar and a fraud.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 23, 2014, 12:25 am

        @Amigo:

        I think I have no ability to understand your comment. Sorry.

      • Sibiriak
        February 24, 2014, 7:17 am

        @tree: Beautiful comment.

    • just
      February 21, 2014, 3:57 pm

      Good grief, Mahane– that’s what happens the WORLD over.

      Women do it to men as well.

      You can’t see the ugly racism inherent in Learn and Live and their despicable adverts? You can’t see the vulgarity in pandering this racism for shekels?
      You can’t see the grotesque irony when your beloved gov’t sells the refugees from Africa to Uganda? Your government is engaged in human trafficking and trading lives for weapons.

      Yet you worry about “Sara” falling for one of her brethren.

      A very sick and thinly- veiled attempt at keeping the “race pure”, and the majority Jewish.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 12:38 pm

        @Shmuel:

        and the best he could do was a fictionalised account regarding an Iranian man and an American woman, that is supposed to have occurred decades ago.

        No, I mentioned the film only as example that people will understand what I am talking about.

      • LeaNder
        February 22, 2014, 2:12 pm

        Mahane, if I claimed you raped me, would your lawyer allow me to mainly rely on a one-sided fictionalized account plus street wisdom concerning Jewish sexuality and/or what Otto Weininger wrote in his thesis about the sexuality of Jewish men?

        If not why not?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 3:25 pm

        @LeaNder;

        Please, don’t misunderstand me. If you read all my comments in this thread you won’t find even not one time that I say something about race. No, many women in Israel are abused by men from all nationalities. I only emphasized on one severe problem that people use to ignore: the problem of the women that were cheated by Palestinians and were forced to live against their will. This is not to say that there are not happy marriages between Palestinian men and Jewish women. No, there are a lot of such couples living in happiness and I personally have no problem with that. Those abused women must be protected together with other abused women by men from any nationality. The effort to show that there is no such problem and any one that speaks about it is actually a racist, is unfair and does injustice to those women. In my comment I didn’t support any organization and I don’t care about them, I only raised this severe problem that should be stopped.

      • German Lefty
        February 22, 2014, 4:50 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1
        This is not to say that there are not happy marriages between Palestinian men and Jewish women. No, there are a lot of such couples living in happiness and I personally have no problem with that. Those abused women must be protected together with other abused women by men from any nationality.

        I have one question for you and I want a clear answer. Do you think that the depicted “Can you tell who is an Arab?” poster is acceptable or not?

      • just
        February 22, 2014, 5:50 pm

        Great question, GL.

        Good luck on getting that “clear answer”.

      • eljay
        February 22, 2014, 11:31 pm

        >> I have one question for you and I want a clear answer. Do you think that the depicted “Can you tell who is an Arab?” poster is acceptable or not?

        I’d like to know if any person who considers the “Can you tell who is an Arab? Click here to save a Jewish girl” poster to be acceptable would also consider a “Can you tell who is a Jew? Click here to save a Gentile girl” poster to be acceptable. Or, hypocritically, would s/he consider the latter to be anti-Semitic?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 23, 2014, 12:07 am

        @GL:

        NO.

    • Kris
      February 21, 2014, 7:21 pm

      Is it possible that Mahane is a computer program? I recently heard a radio show about how computer programs such as Siri can seem almost, but not quite, human, and this would explain why Mahane’s comments are so odd. He seems to lack the understanding of human relationships that most people have, and is also so unaware of how offensive it is to promote racism.

      I hope hophmi drops by; he can remind us that Israel was merciful in sentencing a Palestinian to only 18 months in jail for consensual sex with an Israeli Jew, since, after all, Emmett Till was murdered for looking at a white woman.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 22, 2014, 1:10 am

        @Kris:

        Is it possible that Mahane is a computer program?

        Yes, Sir, it is possible that I am a computer program. The same it is possible that you all are computer programs that were programmed to play with the game “find the racism in Israel!!!”. When you play the game you forget that behind it there are people suffering and bleeding like several women that were cheated and were forced to changed their way of life and to cut their relations with their families and former friends because they are Jews.

        Now, I let you continue play.

      • seafoid
        February 23, 2014, 4:38 am

        @ Mahanes

        “behind it there are people suffering and bleeding like several women ”

        “I met a woman
        She had a mouth like yours
        She knew your life
        She knew your devils and your deeds
        And she said
        “Go to him, stay with him if you can
        But be prepared to bleed” ”

        I wonder how many women in Israel are really happy.I bet a lot of that ethnic hatred ends up in fragile relationships. And brainwashing the kids can’t be good for the girls either.

      • eljay
        February 23, 2014, 12:05 am

        >> Is it possible that Mahane is a computer program? …

        As far as I can tell, he’s a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist. Don’t let him off the hook by suggesting he might be a machine rather than a human being who values Jews more than non-Jews (especially the non-Jewish indigenous population of Palestine).

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 23, 2014, 4:11 am

        @eljay:

        Bullshit!!! I do care human rights more than most of you including you!!! The problem with you all is that you can’t say something bad about the Palestinians hence many problems cause by them are ignored here in this site. Take for example the abused women we are talking about: Any one that speak about this problem (women that were cheated by Palestinians) automatically is tagged as right-winged extremist and a racist. The subject became a taboo that no one in the Academia has the courage to talk about it. As consequence, those women “fall between the chairs” and there voice is ignored while other abused women groups in Israel are treated. I, although I considered my self in the left side, I have no problem to speak about this problem and say clearly: there are many abusive men in Israel, among them Palestinian men that cheated Jewish girls!!! If you want to call me racist, please, do it but this won’t help to those women.

        I also want to clarify that my opinions are not new (see my profile) and have no connection to any organizations that I also considered them racists organizations.

      • seafoid
        February 23, 2014, 4:27 am

        “Bullshit!!! I do care human rights more than most of you including you!!!”

        Give us a break. You consistently toe the hasbara line. Cast lead, torture, YESHA, water .

        The default Israeli line is that the Palestinians don’t deserve their rights because they are bad people .

        And there you go again, same crap

        “Palestinians hence many problems cause by them are ignored here in this site. Take for example the abused women we are talking about”

        If you believe in human rights, do something about it. Start with your posting

      • Shmuel
        February 23, 2014, 5:00 am

        Any one that speak about this problem (women that were cheated by Palestinians) automatically is tagged as right-winged extremist and a racist. The subject became a taboo …

        OK, unlike “[us] all”, you are an impartial champion of human rights and feminist extraordinaire. You do not dismiss solid evidence, simply because it reflects badly on “the Palestinians”. You are a student of Maimonides, and “accept truth whatever the source”. So what are your sources (the ones you say “[we] all” would reject, and how do you (as opposed to “[us] all”) know that the information they provide is accurate?

        You gave the example of B’tselem. Great. B’tselem has trained investigators, who interview thousands of people annually, cross-check the testimonies with each other and with other sources of information, Palestinian and Israeli — hospitals, the Civil Administration, the IDF, etc. It knows that its work is not welcome by the authorities it criticises, politicians, etc. and is thus doubly and triply cautious. It has earned a reputation for thoroughness and accuracy and is grudgingly respected even by those it criticises, who would sincerely have liked to prove its unreliability but have failed to do so. That is why the information provided by B’tselem should be taken seriously, not because they heard something from someone, took his word for it and published it, or because they confirm someone’s preconceived notions.

        Can you provide similarly reliable sources (reliable for their methodology, regardless of their ideological convictions) for the “serious problem” you describe? Some good investigative journalism will also do. If not, you are simply spreading rumours and lies.

        I’m done chasing you around in circles. If and when you have any reliable information to give “[us] all”, I will be happy to read/watch it. I have zero interest in defending violent, abusive men of any nationality, ethnicity or creed.

      • eljay
        February 23, 2014, 9:03 am

        >> @eljay:
        >> Bullshit!!! I do care human rights more than most of you including you!!!

        You’re funny, Potato-man. And you’re full of shit, too. Only one of us consistently advocates for justice, equality and morality. And it’s not you.

    • Djinn
      February 22, 2014, 3:10 am

      You know what Mahane? Men and women lie to each other all the time. I know of several people conned by married people, by the time they found out their new partner was married they were already in love and it was very painful for them. However my country, not being quite as insane as yours, does not produce this kind of nonsense in response. We don’t have ‘charities’ that insinuate that ALL married people are adulterous scumbags that Aussie women need to be protected from. Where is the concern for Jewish girls lied to and betrayed by Jewish men? Is that somehow less painful?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 23, 2014, 12:56 pm

        Shmuel;

        OK, unlike “[us] all”, you are an impartial champion of human rights…

        Thanks for the compliments but they were unnecessary.

        Can you provide similarly reliable sources (reliable for their methodology, regardless of their ideological convictions) for the “serious problem” you describe? Some good investigative journalism will also do. If not, you are simply spreading rumours and lies.

        Many organizations, like B’tselem, investigate many events in Israel. They are doing so, as you say, by using trained investigators who cross-checked their information. You forget only one thing: the people they investigate, the Palestinians, cooperate with them and provide any piece of information to them including names and addresses since they know the power of journalism. The Palestinians themselves interest in those investigations since they support their case against us. Many in Israel support these organizations, finance them and cooperate with them. We see the consequence in MW and other anti-Israeli sites. The amount of information is unbelievable.

        In addition, many journalists are stay in the OT with cameras, many people holding cameras and there is no small event that is not photographed, sometimes there are more photographers than protesters in the streets. The consequence is hundreds of videos per year and a flow of information that the Palestinian glad to share.

        In contrary, Shmuel, ALL the reports I saw and read (in Israeli official TV channels and newspapers, not right-winged videos or reports), the women faces were מטושטש so people won’t recognize them. It is almost not impossible to reach those women since they are living in hostile territory (to Israelis). The husband and his family, of course, won’t cooperate with one that wants to investigate this problem. Don’t forget that most of those women have children and those who escaped left behind them humiliated husband and angry family. One can understand that those women are living in fear. Several of them, after been rescued, had to stay in shelters provided by the welfare office and other organizations. Now, Shmuel, honestly, why should a journalist report such stories? Are all these stories fake stories only to fill the TV screen? Why do you believe Abraham Filman and Lena Ibrahim but not those women, no matter their number? Only because their faces and names are secrets?

        Believe me, Shmuel, that I wouldn’t say even not a word if it was one case in a decade. No, from time to time there are new stories which all of them say the same thing “I loved him, went after him, then he forced me to live under his conditions, no friends, no family, no lives”. Now you say you chase me. OK, I agree, please, do it since I sure these stories are real. I have no problem. I will collect all the reports I will read in the future and send you. But, then, what would you say? That “their faces are מטושטש hence you have no proofs”? That’s the maximum I can send you. I don’t believe that an academia person or journalist will do research on such phenomenon since all of you will shout “apartheid”. You won’t receive journalist investigations and you either believe the women stories or call me a liar. No problem.

        In my opinion, we all do injustice to those women. From your side, you all say “you have no proofs hence it is a rumor or a lie” hence we can’t talk about this problem. In other hand, The right-winged organizations gave overstated number like 10,000 so no one can believe them. Also, they publish posters like the current racist (yes, it is racist!!) poster and use racist language (“kidnapped by Arabs”) hence you all talk about the poster and the language but not about the women (see the new comment of Accentitude). The consequence is that those woman stories are ignored and people focus on other things. Hence, they and have no protection since no one wants enters this problem. Meanwhile, other abused women groups in Israel, like Ethiopian women, receive protection and their problem is well known.

        I have zero interest in defending violent, abusive men of any nationality, ethnicity or creed.

        So do I, Shmuel. I have no interest to spread “rumors” about the Palestinians. As I told you, there are many happy intermarriage couples in Israel and I have no problem with them. As a secular man, I don’t care the number of Jews in the world but I respect any one and believe he has the right to live in dignity, including those abused women.

        I will remember my promise. that’s it, I done enough in this thread.

      • Cliff
        February 23, 2014, 1:23 pm

        LOL

        So in other words you have no proof. NONE. Whatsoever.

        Those women had their faces blurred too huh? LOL

        You are pathetic, KahaneYehude1.

      • Accentitude
        February 24, 2014, 2:52 am

        “…hence you all talk about the poster and the language but not about the women (see the new comment of Accentitude).”

        Clearly, you completely failed to comprehend anything of what I wrote.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 24, 2014, 4:59 am

        @Accentitude:

        Clearly, you completely failed to comprehend anything of what I wrote.

        As well as you failed completely to understand what is going in Palestine. Read your comment again and realize by yourself that you have not even a clue about the West Bank. I can help you to figure out.

      • Shmuel
        February 24, 2014, 5:42 am

        Accentitude: as a Palestinian living in the West Bank

        MY1:As well as you failed completely to understand what is going in Palestine… you have not even a clue about the West Bank. I can help you to figure out.

        Please, MY1, enlighten our poor, ignorant Palestinian friend. Perhaps you can cite some vaguely remembered reports from “Israeli official TV channels and newspapers” about Arab perfidy.

    • Qualtrough
      February 22, 2014, 7:37 am

      In the USA, in less enlightened times, some very light-skinned black men and women would ‘pass for white’. That is, they denied any black heritage and acted as if they were 100% white. It was also not unusual to read about marriages being annulled when one party discovered the deception. While we are not perfect, we have come a long way since those days, and hopefully some day Israel can too.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 24, 2014, 5:59 am

        @Shmuel:

        Please, MY1, enlighten our poor, ignorant Palestinian friend. Perhaps you can cite some vaguely remembered reports from “Israeli official TV channels and newspapers” about Arab perfidy.

        You know what, Shmuel, maybe you know better than us politics and history and you can cite the Talmud perfectly, but you also don’t have even not small idea about the Arab society and tradition. Your many replies to me are the best proofs for that and they are not taken from Israeli TV channels and Israeli newspapers (surprisingly, when Israeli newspaper like Haaretz report about anti-Israeli subjects, you are the first who used the reports like in the “water issue”).

      • Accentitude
        February 24, 2014, 6:32 am

        Wow, that’s amazing. A Zionist stooge who is not a Palestinian is going to give me an education about “what is going on in Palestine” even though I am a Palestinian in Palestine and have been living on the receiving end of this conflict since the day I was born. By all means, go ahead. Enlighten me.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 24, 2014, 6:42 am

        @Accentitude:

        Why not you? maybe you, as a Palestinian in Palestine, enlighten us and tell us where exactly I was wrong? Maybe you can answer GL her question?
        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/arab-appeal-deductible.html/comment-page-1#comment-643323

      • Shmuel
        February 24, 2014, 6:45 am

        Wow, that’s amazing. A Zionist stooge who is not a Palestinian is going to give me an education about “what is going on in Palestine” even though I am a Palestinian in Palestine and have been living on the receiving end of this conflict since the day I was born.

        Colonialism in a nutshell. Even your experiences and knowledge are not your own, but must be “explained” to you by your colonial master.

        A fitting conclusion to this surreal discussion.

  19. piotr
    February 21, 2014, 12:37 pm

    “This problem has hit our frum community”.

    “We estimate there are over 10,000 girls physically or emotionally trapped. ”

    Some would say that this is a gross under-estimate, since we should really count all girls in that community.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 24, 2014, 7:00 am

      @Shmuel:

      Colonialism in a nutshell. Even your experiences and knowledge are not your own, but must be “explained” to you by your colonial master.

      A fitting conclusion to this surreal discussion.

      If so, why do you do a lot of efforts to educate me? Look, Shmuel, you can pretend as much as you can but I know that you know I am right about the abused women since I know you read and watch the Israeli media. I only wonder why Muslims participate in this site aren’t entering the discussion.

      A fitting conclusion to this surreal discussion.

      Indeed, it was a conclusion. Sein Gezunt!!!

      • Accentitude
        February 24, 2014, 7:36 am

        Lol, so you really aren’t from this region or if you are, you’re extremely sheltered. Why do you assume that the Arabs who participate in the discussions on this website must be Muslims? Don’t you accept that Palestine/Israel is the birthplace to the 3 primary monotheistic religions? Christianity, Islam and Judaism? By the way, I’m not. You can ask Walid if he is though. And before you get all chesty puffy about how Christians are being persecuted…rest assured, the only persecution going on is by the Israeli government who claims that building a wall and annexing the Cremisan Monastery in Bethlehem is for “security” reasons but we all know its to expand Jerusalem Municipality, accommodate settlers and steal fertile farming lands which Priests rely on to make wine in order to cover their living expenses but who cares, right?

        As for your comment about German Lefty’s question, different strokes for different folks. Its not nearly the epidemic that you make it out to be.
        Here’s a shocker: sometimes when Arabs are living among Jews in Israel…they might actually try to integrate with them and in doing so maybe, just maybe they might develop friendships and/or relationships with other Israelis Arabs or Jews alike. *Gasp* Did I just blow your mind wide open? Oh you already knew that. What was it that you call that. Ah yes, the “demographic threat.” That’s why we gotta those damn dirty ay-rabs away from our women, rabble rabble rabble!

        Finally, I’m still waiting for you to educate me on what’s going on in Palestine. My patience is running thin. I might accuse you of throwing stones. You can get familiar with my Shin Bet buddies at the Russian Compound. They gave me the VIP treatment last time I was there but, you know, I’ll put in a good word for you. Maybe they’ll give you a cup of water that doesn’t have pee in it.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 24, 2014, 8:44 am

        @Accentitude;

        The subject of this thread is about Jewish women that were cheated by Palestinians. Truth or lie, it is the subject. So, please, save your lectures for other time or just check in my profile my opinion about the subjects you wrote. By the way, maybe you are new here, but you are talking to an Arab like you.

      • Accentitude
        February 25, 2014, 12:10 am

        I’m responding to your asinine argument. I’m not new here. I’ve been away on account of that aforementioned “vip treatment.” By the way, “Arab” or not, there is absolutely nothing about you that is “like me.” For one, I actually have morals and really do support Human Rights. You are an “Uncle Tom.” Go look that up.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 24, 2014, 8:46 am

        @Accentitude;

        Here’s a shocker: sometimes when Arabs are living among Jews in Israel…they might actually try to integrate with them and in doing so…

        May I also integrate with the occupied territories Palestinians in the same way? I think both of us know the answer.

      • talknic
        February 24, 2014, 9:28 am

        MahaneYehude1 “May I also integrate with the occupied territories Palestinians in the same way? I think both of us know the answer”

        Yes we do. Why you ask such a question shines a bright light on your stupidity.

        The Arabs in question it seems are Israeli citizens. You are NOT a legitimate citizen of the Occupied Territories, aka a Palestinian. You’re an illegal Israeli settler.

      • Accentitude
        February 25, 2014, 12:07 am

        Here’s a bit of education for you:

        To integrate into Palestine (or any country in the entire world for that matter….except Israel of course), you integrate through legal channels as in applying for citizenship. You can’t integrate into Palestine by breaking international laws, confiscating land that isn’t yours (and never was), squatting on it, then building a whole new Jews only city while shooting and murdering your neighbors who were already there before you and then when (and if) peace is finally declared and your Jews-city is no longer within the confines of “occupied” land but rather IN the sovereign state of Palestine, tell me “welp, we’re already here so I guess we HAVE to stay and the Palestinians just need to deal with it.” That is not how you integrate. Get out of the settlements, bulldoze them all, then go apply to the PA Ministry of Interior for a visitor’s visa. Then we’ll talk. By the way, the Palestinians already have stated (on several occasions) that Israelis and Jews can live in the state of Palestine as long as they do it LEGALLY and do not infringe on the rights of the Palestinian population nor break any Palestinian laws. Call me crazy, but that’s not too much to ask.

      • gamal
        February 25, 2014, 1:52 am

        “I only wonder why Muslims participate in this site aren’t entering the discussion.” but surely thats something you know, is there a hadith, perhaps a Sura that would clarify, by the way the blithering stupidity of your marriage restriction Quranic fabulation would be a cause of severe embarrasment, had you any self respect or even a modicum, no even a molecule of knowledge of the subjects you are pontificating about. which makes that “I only wonder..” into a leering seat sniffing piece of repellent abnormality,

        “I only wonder why Muslims participate in this site aren’t entering the discussion.” Arab and Muslim are not interchangeable, and dont wonder, despite your creepy solicitude your sense of your own great erudition and import, you are tedious,dishonest, ignorant and uniformed about anything Islamic, why would Muslims want to talk to you? ah of course you have seen their reality, do you sell Almonds?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 25, 2014, 2:51 am

        @Gamal:

        you are tedious,dishonest, ignorant and uniformed about anything Islamic, why would Muslims want to talk to you? ah of course you have seen their reality, do you sell Almonds?

        So, why do you bother to respond?

        When it comes to ad hominem, I know you lost your case. Have a nice day, friend. Come back only if you have something important to tell us about the subject of this thread which is Jewish women that were cheated by Palestinians and live in the West Bank and Gaza disconnected from their families.

      • Shmuel
        February 25, 2014, 4:14 am

        Congratulations, MY1, you have discovered domestic violence in Tulkarm. I have met women in similar situations in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Rome, abused by Jewish, Christian, Muslim or atheist husbands/boyfriends. No one put their stories on TV — with or without scary oud music, keffiyehs and masbahas in the background.

        Fortunately for this woman (after years of suffering), she found a way out and the strength to take it. I wish her and her children (including those she was forced to leave behind) all the best. Sadly, such options are not available to her Palestinian sisters suffering similar abuse in Tulkarm and elsewhere, living under a double occupation.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 4:05 am

        “I only wonder why Muslims participate in this site aren’t entering the discussion.”

        Nobody is taking you seriously Mahane, because of your never-ending attempts at trying the cover up the evils of Zionism. What you are saying here about conjugal violence isn’t any more alien to Arabs and Muslims than it is to Jews and almost every other groupie. Your argument is lost among the usual Zionist garbage you keep dishing out and using this story about absurdly exaggerated number of victims of 10,000 takes away from anything serious you are trying to explain, eventhough you said the number may be high. To avoid confusing you, yes I believe it’s happening because it’s not an impossibility but no I don’t believe in those wild numbers, especially in light of that bogus PR campaign shown on the poster. You’re actually more interested in disparaging the image of Palestinians than you are about protecting the virtue of Jewish maidens. Arab men are good, but they’re not that good.

        When you said to Accentitude that you were an Arab like he or she, you more or less confirmed what I have been suspecting for a while.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 25, 2014, 4:31 am

        @Walid;

        I don’t know if you read my former comments in this threads (the serious comments, not the replies to the ad hominem comments). But if you read, you realize that I didn’t use the exaggerated number of victims of 10,000, not even 1,000!!. What is hard to me in this site is only one thing: that people ignore our problems that cause by Palestinians. Let me clarify again: I believe most men, whether Muslims or Jews, are good people. I have no problem with intermarriage and I know there are many happy couples. But I know that there is a problem with a small group of Jewish women, as you say not in those wild number, that fell in love with Palestinians and now living in hard conditions disconnect from their families and former lives. Still, it is a problem, and I think we should not ignore those women, even if the number is smaller. I was very surprised to receive the endless comments in this threads from people that do care one Palestinian child (and they should care about the child!!).

        Look, Walid, I have no interest to darken the face of the Palestinians as you assume and you know me since my first day here. But I think we should not ignore any problem, even our problem, even small problem. Any one has right to live without fear.

        I consider my self an Arab, but really, if it is disturbing you or others, I ready to stop telling it. Nothing won’t happen.

        Finally, I agree with you, as I wrote earlier, that the L&L organization is racist, the poster and the language they use are racists and I think they do more damage to the real problem by their propaganda. Have a nice day.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 5:24 am

        Mahane, in the context of this BS campaign about saving Sara and so on, the timing of what you are saying is wrong. Had you said it under a different circumstance, it would have been better received.

  20. justicewillprevail
    February 21, 2014, 12:52 pm

    So a white Western girl should be terrified by three middle eastern gentlemen? If she lives in the Middle East, where her ancestors supposedly came from? Wait, these three guys look more Israeli than bibi, leiberman and all the other eastern european types. Because they come from the region. Or are Israelis supposed to look American/European? How confused are these people?? They certainly have confused me. Or could it be they are just old-fashioned racists who judge people by skin colour and facial type, regardless of their religion or nationality? Where does that leave Middle Eastern Jews? Are they allowed to date her? What a crock. Why don’t the authors of this ad, and their supporters just wear white hoods with pointy heads, so the girls know who they’re allowed to date.

    • Accentitude
      February 24, 2014, 3:03 am

      Well the Bibz spent a major chunk of his childhood in the Philly suburbs where he graduated high school and college…and he might still be a legal U.S. citizen, you know with that special relationship that lets them have dual citizenships and all but I could be wrong, and Lieberman is your typical Soviet-era thug…served in the red army, spent several years locked up in a Siberian Gulag. Neither of them are indigenous to this region.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 24, 2014, 9:54 am

      @talknic:

      You’re an illegal Israeli settler.

      I am a proud Israeli Zionist citizen, live in my homeland in dignity. Thousands of your comments won’t change this fact. Don’t bother, friend.

      • Taxi
        February 24, 2014, 11:20 pm

        Mehane,

        You could still be living in dignity in your Arab country of origin if you weren’t such a traitor to your homeland. But instead, you chose to take the side of a european, racist colonial experiment which has cost the whole region much blood and misery and death – and continuing.

        If I were you, I’d get a second passport cuz your ‘comfort zone’ is an illusion. The Arabs will take back what is legally and morally theirs – even if takes another thousand years.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 25, 2014, 12:10 am

        @Taxi:

        You could still be living in dignity in your Arab country of origin if you weren’t such a traitor to your homeland.

        Really, Taxi? Where? Please, open your eyes and see what happen now to several minorities in the ME countries.

        But instead, you chose to take the side of a european, racist colonial experiment which has cost the whole region much blood and misery and death – and continuing.

        Sorry, Taxi, Israel is not an experiment. Israel is my home as well as home to any Jew in danger in this world, whether he lives in Australia or Italy.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 2:42 am

        Taxi, sooner or later, the Iraqi Jews should be returning to their real home country. The latest invitation for them to do so came less than a year ago from Moqtada al-Sadr that declared that Iraq is for all Iraqis alike, including Jews who have already left the country. Kurdistan al-Iraq has been full of Israelis working at building up the state from the days of the first Iraq invasion. Iraqis born and raised in the sin of Zionism and intent on staying in it will be the big losers.

      • Taxi
        February 25, 2014, 12:17 am

        Mahane,

        Is it possible for you to be jewish without being a zionist?

        Is zionism more important to you than judaism?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 25, 2014, 3:06 am

        @Taxi:

        Is it possible to you to be an Arab without hating us?

        Is hatred more important to you than the Islamic laws call for love and friendships?

      • Taxi
        February 25, 2014, 3:26 am

        Mehane,

        Is it possible for you to answer my question without inventing me as an Arab so as to avoid answering?

        I’ll ask again: Is it possible for you to be jewish without being a zionist?

        And what is more important to you: judaism or zionism?

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 7:38 am

        “And what is more important to you: judaism or zionism?”

        Taxi, I once asked someone on a forum that very question and had to repeat it in about 15 posts to get the answer. It was like puling teeth. I finally asked her if she had to decide on conflicting issues between what her rabbi was telling her and what she had learned from her Zionism indoctrination classes when she was still a teenager in Chicago, which would she choose. The answer was ‘Zionism”. For some, Zionism overrules everything else, even the religious commandments.

      • Taxi
        February 25, 2014, 8:20 am

        Walid,

        Deep down, zionists know the evils of zionism just like a heroin addict knows the evils of heroin. Yet both zionist and addict will always shrink into denialism when in mid-high.

        No, I didn’t think Mehane was capable of answering my very simple and straightforward question. He doesn’t strike me as someone who is capable of any honest self-reflection. He is sadly and thoroughly brainwashed.

        We often talk here about dual-passport ashkanazim having a second choice of residence when a regional war breaks out in the middle east, but we hardly talk about Arab jews like Mehane who’ve been zionized to the eyeballs and with only a single israeli passport to use. Where will they go? And how easy would it be for them to get there?

        It’s them Arab jews that zionism has ruined the most. Uprooted them by deception from their Arab homelands; implanted them lovelessly in the ‘potato fields’ of the holy lands, destroying their ancient local customs and culture in the process – brainwashed them and turned them all into hapless ziozombies, now rootless and with no safety net for their futures.

        Sad. Sad. Sad.

      • just
        February 25, 2014, 6:13 am

        “I am a proud Israeli Zionist citizen, live in my homeland in dignity”.

        Bully for you! Now, when will you “proud Israeli Zionist citizen”(s) permit the indigenous Palestinians ANY dignity? iirc, you say you are Iraqi born– how can Israel be your “homeland”?

        It’s all so warped.

      • Taxi
        February 25, 2014, 8:39 am

        Mehane,

        You poor eternal victim, you.

        Your temporary presence in Jerusalem as a colonial squatter is actually forcing the Palestinians into living in the sewers without ANY basic human rights, no security and no creature comforts. This doesn’t seem to bother you at all, yet you’re offended by “sewer language” here on MW?

        Stop being a supporter of colonialism in the mid east. Work with your family and cousins on ways to get back to Iraq, your true homeland. Go patch it up with your Iraqi christian and moslem brethren. European jews will bring you nothing but doom and death in the end. Mark my words.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 25, 2014, 5:33 am

      @Walid;

      Mahane, in the context of this BS campaign about saving Sara and so on, the timing of what you are saying is wrong. Had you said it under a different circumstance, it would have been better received.

      You know what, maybe you are right and I chose very bad timing since people here, and I can understand them, thought that I protect those racist organizations, and I am not!!. In the other hand, it is impossible to raise issues in MW out of topics. Maybe MW should devote a constant thread for “readers subjects”, something like the constant thread “comment policy”, for instance.

      I thank you for your patience and your fair comments. They are example that we can “talk” without ad hominem. I do believe we all here care human rights before all.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 7:28 am

        Such situations could exist, of course, and they probably do but keep in mind that such things happen as a sad of fact of life and not because it’s part of any anti-Jewish conspiracy by Palestinian Arabs as it’s being presented in the campaign. For the women to have been drawn into these relationships, they had to have begun by a natural attraction that probably fizzled out over time and in which the men unnaturally refused to let them go. Happens in all groups; not nice but it happens and probably not very frequently.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 25, 2014, 8:46 am

        @Walid:

        You are 100% correct, I don’t believe it is Anti-Jewish conspiracy by Palestinian Arabs as it’s being presented in the campaign which I consider racist campaign that do damage to the problem instead helping it. I do believe that Muslims and Christians women married to Palestinians experience same situation.

        I also with you that such situations do exist in all communities, including Jewish and Christian communities. Abusing women is not new and was not invented by the Palestinians.

        I raised this problem only because in Israel it is unique problem: Since the Palestinians are living in the West Bank, area which is hostile for Jews, I think they feel more comfortable to close the women at home and disconnect her from her family and friends, like in prison. I am in my sixth decade of my life and never heard or read, in all media even Arab media, even not one time that an Israeli Jewish married Muslim woman and closed her at home for decades. I don’t believe that this situation says that Jewish men are better than Palestinians. No, it happens in the Palestinian communities only because the circumstances allow such situations. I see this situation as tragic problem and I think it must be treated even by the Palestinians themselves.

        I hope I clarify now my position.

      • Walid
        February 25, 2014, 9:34 am

        Were you born in Iraq, Mahane?

  21. Balfour
    February 21, 2014, 2:13 pm

    Assumimg all of the individuals portrayed in the ad are either Palestinian or Jewish Sarah is going to have an impossible time discerning creed since all the individuals shown share a virtually identical genetic background. The true message is for little Sarah to select an Ashkanazi as a breeding partner, and avoid the “Arab” and Mizrahi races altogether.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 25, 2014, 3:48 am

      @Taxi;

      Is it possible for you to answer my question?

      No, it is impossible. Good Day!!!

      • Taxi
        February 25, 2014, 5:36 am

        Mehane,

        My two questions are about the most important questions a jewish person could ever ask themselves.

        But you say it is “impossible” for you to answer? Why? Will it dislodge your bellybutton and cause your behind to fall off your hip bones?

        Your silence on this matter leads me to think that zionism for you is by far more important than judaism – real estate more important to you than spirituality.

        Your brainwashing by zionism is complete. You are a hopeless case for redemption.

        All that’s left is for zionism to stab you in the back while you’re sleeping. Arab jews are barely one up from Palestinians in the eyes of zionism. You, as an Arab jew, will be first in line to be sacrified by zionism.

        Enjoy your time in the holy land while you can.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 25, 2014, 9:51 am

      @Walid:

      Were you born in Iraq, Mahane?

      As I wrote many times, I was born in Jerusalem and live in this city all my life. My parents are Kurdish origin from North Iraq. Before they made Aliya to Israel, their families moved to Baghdad.

      Where are you from?

  22. a blah chick
    February 21, 2014, 6:27 pm

    In another posting we were told how these nefarious swarthy men lure these innocents…with nice dinners and poetry and compliments! The fiends.

    Interesting isn’t it that for all their “purity” talk they don’t seem concerned about all the Jewish guys having sex with non-Jewish women. I have heard that if sex with gentiles was outlawed every brothel in Israel would have to shut down.

    With fascist types it is always about controlling the sexuality of their women and minority men.

  23. Talkback
    February 22, 2014, 4:01 pm

    Can you tell who is a Jew?
    Neither could Helga.
    She called the Fuehrer to be rescued
    Click here to save a German Mädel.

  24. Leahj
    February 22, 2014, 10:54 pm

    Mahane, You’ve been trying to conflate your belief that Arab men are imprisoning their Jewish wives within Palestinian towns, with what appears to be your all-time-favorite movie, “Not Without My Daughter”. First, I’m surprised you didn’t know this, but Iran is not an Arab state. Iranians aren’t Arabs. Secondly, while Iranians rule Iran, Israeli Jews rule Palestinian towns & villages, whether they’re in Israel or the West Bank. ( Hint: That’s why they call the West Bank “Occupied Territory”. The Palestinians in the OT are subject to the whims & wishes of the guys who are actually in charge, the armed, bored Israeli soldiers & the armed, fanatical Jewish settlers.) And yet you believe that tens of thousands of Israeli Jewish women are being held in the Palestinians’ villages against their will? Amazing!!

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 23, 2014, 12:21 am

      @Leahj:

      Good Morning!!!

      Wow, what an interpretation. Did you read my comments?

      You’ve been trying to conflate your belief that Arab men are imprisoning their Jewish wives within Palestinian town

      No, Lea, there are many happy intermarriage couples including Palestinian men and Jewish women. I sure most of the couples are happy.

      with what appears to be your all-time-favorite movie, “Not Without My Daughter”.

      No, it is not my favorite movie. My favorite is the movie “Abi Fauk Al-Shajara” by Abd Al-Halim Hafez. I spoke about the movie “Not without my daughter” only as an example so people would understand what I am talking about.

      First, I’m surprised you didn’t know this, but Iran is not an Arab state. Iranians aren’t Arabs.

      Thanks for the information, Lea.

      And yet you believe that tens of thousands of Israeli Jewish women are being held in the Palestinians’ villages against their will? Amazing!!

      No, I don’t believe that tens of thousands Jewish women are being held in the villages. Better to read the comments before. I do believe that the number is no more than several tens. Those tens have rights like you, Lea.

      Thanks.

    • German Lefty
      February 23, 2014, 7:06 am

      Iran is not an Arab state. Iranians aren’t Arabs.

      Irrelevant detail. All non-Jews are the same. Didn’t you know?

  25. RoHa
    February 23, 2014, 1:41 am

    So, after all the debate, which one of those swarthy, unshaven, shifty-looking characters is an Arab? (Or not an Arab, as the case may be.) Inquiring minds want to know.

    • Sumud
      February 23, 2014, 3:59 am

      Pfffffft, who cares about those terrorists – most importantly was Sara able to find herself a nice jewish boy or is she tainted for life?

      Or is she a repeat offender and the poster illustrates three of her arab boyfriends, to date?

      • seafoid
        February 23, 2014, 4:33 am

        There was article in Ha’aretz about prostitution a few years ago. Meital was a Jewish prostitute and she said she had loads of Palestinian clients. They all wanted to f$$$ Jewish ladies but had to pay money for it since it wasn’t possible naturally ! The ladies needed the money, so the system worked, sort of. You need a free market to work out these kinds of issues where politics is broken.

        Israel is such a mess.

      • Sumud
        February 23, 2014, 7:21 am

        The world’s oldest profession.

        Meital the jewish lady prostitute seems to be contradicting the main thrust of this organisation then. If jewish girls were so easy to lure to Palestinian villages demand for her services wouldn’t be there.

        They all wanted to f$$$ Jewish ladies but had to pay money for it since it wasn’t possible naturally !

        I don’t envy either party frankly – too much baggage with a transaction like this, sex between the oppressor and the oppressed, ugh.

      • seafoid
        February 23, 2014, 8:36 am

        Maybe Jewish outsiders are easier to talk to, Sumud. The ostracized and the ostracized. It’s all human at the end of the day.

      • German Lefty
        February 23, 2014, 9:59 am

        They all wanted to f$$$ Jewish ladies but had to pay money for it since it wasn’t possible naturally !

        Are you serious? This sounds kinda strange. Why would Palestinians be so keen on shtupping Jewish women? What’s so special about them? Are they better than non-Jewish women or what?

      • Accentitude
        February 23, 2014, 7:01 am

        I present you with this article:
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-sons-romance-with-gentile-sparks-orthodox-outcry/

        Netanyahu’s son is dating a Norwegian non-Jewish girl and apparently it’s enough of an outrage that its become a national story over here. Maybe L&L should worry about locking up its boys too?

      • just
        February 23, 2014, 3:18 pm

        heh, I thought about that as well.

        I think the ‘rules’ are a tad different for Jewish men and Jewish ladies– something having to do with offspring and matrilineality …though I could be wrong.

    • Sumud
      February 23, 2014, 7:24 am

      PS Roha – I don’t think we’re likely to find out, out of curiosity what is your opinion?

      I say (l-r):
      1. Arab – maybe
      2.Yes
      3. No

      • RoHa
        February 23, 2014, 9:01 pm

        I wouldn’t trust any of them not to be Arab if they were given half a chance. Obviously none of them understands what a razor is for, and they all look ready to use filthy Arab lies to take advantage of the innocence and naivety of pure-hearted virgin Jewish girls so that they can indulge their foul bestial lusts on the trembling bodies of those unfortunate maidens.

  26. Accentitude
    February 23, 2014, 6:55 am

    I have the unfortunate luxury of being a Palestinian-American, living in two distinct worlds yet not being able to fully integrate into either one. Because of that I saw this story from two different perspectives. The first as a Palestinian living in the West Bank:

    According to L&L’s website there are “thousands of Israeli girls missing.” Now pardon me, but in a situation where there are “thousands” of girls missing and in which the blame is being put on Arabs (as this organization seems to insinuate that they’re being caged up and repeatedly raped in dingy dirty Arab villages), don’t you think that the Israeli government would respond with the fury of a Cast Lead type offensive, particularly in a conflict where zero Israeli casualties are responded to with hundreds of Palestinian casualties? This reeks of nothing more than a fear campaign with no concrete tangible evidence for the claims it seems to be making. Have you checked out the “endorsements” page on their website? The “Knesset Report” looks like a rough draft cut n’paste and hardly qualifies as an official state report. And should we forget that Israel is among one of the top countries in the world in terms of organ traffiking and sex slaves? The country has huge problems with Russian mafia setting up shop in Israel and working the black market trade route between Eastern Europe and Israel. There’s no evidence whatsoever to believe that Arab men are kidnapping Israeli girls in the “thousands” and holding them captive in “Arab villages.” No Arab, man or women, could take ten steps inside or outside of the Green line without getting the eagle eye from someone in the Israeli authority, much less kidnap and transport an Israeli girl. Lest we forget that the country is riddled with arabs-only checkpoints, the separation wall, border guards, military police, IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad mingling as Arabs inside Palestinians villages, cities and refugee camps. What these idiots propose is damn near impossible.

    Now here comes the American perspective; I’m a little young to remember the days of segregation and white racism as against Black Americans but I’m not young enough to be naive about how it is starkly similar to what Palestinians are going through today. Reading about this organization and perusing through its website reminded me ALOT of 1960s America when white Americans would produce fear campaigns to ensure that their children are not associating with Black youth.

    • just
      February 23, 2014, 8:54 am

      Thanks, Accentitude– spot on!

      Unfortunately, I found this yesterday. This is a pathetic attempt by CUFI to co- opt African- Americans in the US. I think it might interest some readers here:

      “Stephen Towns

      From the 1909 founding of the NAACP to the success of Jewish scholars teaching at African-American colleges in the 1930s and ’40s, black-Jewish unity has deep roots in this country. During the civil rights era, Jews stood, marched, and were assaulted and arrested alongside blacks. But in recent decades a rift has emerged between our two communities.

      The black-Jewish alliance suffered when black nationalism and black power replaced integration as the major focus of our movement. Polarization abounded as black militant leaders supported Israel’s Arab attackers during the 1967 Six-Day War and some members of the Jewish community argued against affirmative-action programs. This split reached its tragic apex during the 1991 Crown Heights riots.

      The time has come for the black-Jewish alliance to be reborn.

      Recently, I visited Israel with a group of 25 African-American ministers led by Christians United for Israel, the nation’s largest pro-Israel organization. The intent of the trip was to familiarize black clergy with the Jewish state in the hope that we would become informed, transformed and supportive. It achieved just that.

      This was more than just a trip; it was a pilgrimage. Seeing firsthand the land of the Bible was nothing short of incredible. The thought of walking on the same ground where my Lord and Savior walked was both humbling and awe-inspiring. And I came to the realization that I am a Zionist. I believe that the Jewish people were granted by God the land in which they live.

      One of the most impactful moments of my visit occurred at Israel’s Holocaust Memorial, Yad Vashem. The memorial gave me new insight into the depths of human depravity. I was moved by the stories of the righteous gentiles, but no words can describe how disturbed I was by the scope of the Holocaust’s inhumanity. I could not help but continuously wonder how such a tragedy was possible. And the truth is uncomfortably simple: Silence allowed the Holocaust to happen.

      Though two unique peoples, African-Americans and Jews have much in common. We have both suffered, endured and survived. Our peoples’ experiences alone should have been enough to form a meaningful and lasting bond between us. At one time they were — but we have forgotten the importance of standing together.

      It was the silence of the world during the Holocaust that allowed that tragedy to happen. It was the voice of the people that advanced the civil rights movement. As Proverbs tells us, “The tongue has the power of life and death.”

      We must stand together and use our collective voices once more. We must stand up to those who would wish for the Jewish State of Israel to cease to exist. Any seeds of peace that can be sown should be planted and harvested. Any hope, pride and promise that can be instilled in our coming generations must be pursued. We simply must stand up and speak up together again.”

      http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/columnists-blogs/guest-columnists/towns-one-voice-in-support-of-israel/article_d32b1869-1573-5a90-96

      eerie.

      • Accentitude
        February 24, 2014, 8:08 am

        Indeed. They forgot that Israel supported, funded and provided arms to the Apartheid Regime in South Africa, that while everyone was mourning the loss of Nelson Mandela an international humanitarian, the Israelis were reminiscing about how he supposedly “supported terrorism” by befriending the late Yaser Arafat, and many in the Knesset were quick to point out that he was a so-called “terrorist”, and how we was a “benign zealot” (according to Ehud Barak). They failed to recognize that Jews have a long documented history of being slave traders particularly in the Carribbean and Central/South America, and that right this very second in Israel, the government is violating the human rights of Africans by illegally detaining them, and removing them from the country in the thousands. People in Tel Aviv, Yafa, Haifa, and Jerusalem are openly committing racist acts against Black Africans with the government’s full support and complete impunity. They make living conditions in black slums in Israel so horrible in the hopes that they’ll just leave Israel on their own. Their communities are completely neglected by government services afforded to white Israelis, full of crime, drugs, etc. Many of them are discriminated against because of their color and can’t get work, education, or places to live because white Israelis refuse to rent to them, or employ them, etc.

    • Kris
      February 23, 2014, 1:30 pm

      Thank you, Accentitude: “No Arab, man or women, could take ten steps inside or outside of the Green line without getting the eagle eye from someone in the Israeli authority, much less kidnap and transport an Israeli girl. Lest we forget that the country is riddled with arabs-only checkpoints, the separation wall, border guards, military police, IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad mingling as Arabs inside Palestinians villages, cities and refugee camps. What these idiots propose is damn near impossible.”

      I’d like to add that even Palestinian children, tortured into confessions by the IDF, would tell the whereabouts of these poor Jewish girls, if info were needed.

      I grew up in Jim Crow Texas, where everyone knew and was constantly reminded that blacks lusted after white women. Emmett Till, who was only a child, was killed for looking at a white woman. The bible thumpers found lots of biblical justification for segregation and racism. The Ku Klux Klan was all about the bible. Just like Israel.

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