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March 10, 2014Forty M-302 rockets are put on display by the Israeli military along the docks of the southern Israeli military port of Eilat. The ammunition was found Wednesday on a vessel, the Panamanian-flagged KLOS-C, which Israel said was transporting arms from Iran to the Gaza Strip.(Photo: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images)

March 10, 2014 Netanyahu triumphantly toured a display of Forty M-302 rockets along the docks of the southern Israeli military port of Eilat. The ammunition was found on a vessel, the Panamanian-flagged KLOS-C, which Israel said was transporting arms from Iran to the Gaza Strip.(Photo: Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images)

Remember the massive photo ops earlier this month during the grand unveiling of  “advanced” weapons bound for “terrorist organizations” in Gaza? After Israel’s special operation interception of the Panama-flagged KLOS C civilian cargo ship which Israel  alleged carried a shipment orchestrated by Iran, Netanyahu “triumphantly” toured the display and made an angry fear mongering speech. The finale of a hasbara fiasco described by AP journalist Aron Heller as “a five-day PR blitz“. And coincidentally, as Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif surmised, the big catch was just in time for AIPAC’s annual conference.

Well, Reuters is reporting some US analysts don’t think it was headed to Gaza. We’re shocked!

 Some U.S. intelligence analysts and Middle East security officials believe that a rocket shipment seized by the Israeli navy in the Red Sea this month was destined for the Egyptian Sinai and not for the Gaza Strip, as Israel says.

A U.S. official and two non-Israeli regional sources said Israel appeared to be insisting on the Gaza destination in order to spare the military-backed interim Egyptian administration embarrassment as it struggles to impose order in the Sinai.

The Klos-C (Screenshot: Israel military  Spokesperson)

The Klos-C (Screenshot: Israel military Spokesperson via Jerusalem Post)

Netanyahu compared the “silence” over Iran to the criticism Israel gets over its settlement expansion and accused the international community of “hypocrisy” and “falling victim” to Tehran.

During the big hullabaloo, some people wondered how these munitions were allegedly supposed to be smuggled into Gaza, given Israel guards the coastline and Gaza’s once active port like a hawk.

Here’s more from Reuters:

Israel has been hazy in public about how the 5.5 meter-long (18-foot) M302s might have entered Gaza. The coastal enclave is under heavy Israeli surveillance, and Cairo has clamped down on the Egypt-Gaza frontier and the smuggling tunnels there.

Asked on the day of the ship seizure which Palestinian militants were to have received the arms cache and how, Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said: “I don’t know, but it is clear this was meant to reach terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip … The route is well known and it seems that they tried to revive it.”

Yeah, clear as day Moshe.

“You look at those things and it’s obvious they couldn’t have been slipped into Gaza,” the official said, adding that the

M302s were not designed to be disassembled for easier smuggling.

Israel is denying this latest report, calling it speculative. Jason Ditz nails it:

Israel is said to have been reluctant to point that out publicly because it would embarrass the Egyptian military junta, which they have gotten extremely cozy with. That’s not the only problem, though.

Weapons bound for al-Qaeda-linked fighters in north Egypt are almost certainly not coming out of Iran, and the admission that the ship wasn’t headed to Gaza will inevitably cause people to reexamine the lack of evidence of Iranian involvement. The Israeli ‘evidence’ began and ended with a few bags of cement on the ship, with the words “made in Iran” printed on them in English.

Meanwhile, anyone hear another peep about US Homeland Security’s investigation of the Israeli weapons deal to Iran? Or is that a done deal?

Mr Netanyahu compared the silence over Iran to the criticism Israel gets over its settlement construction (Photo AP)

Eilat military port: Netanyahu gives speech angrily accused the international community of ignoring Iranian support for militant groups while falling victim to an outreach campaign by the new leadership in Tehran. March 10, 2014. (Photo:AFP)

(Hat tip Alex Kane)

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  1. GJB
    March 26, 2014, 10:17 am

    As Gomer Pyle used to say, “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”

    By the way, shouldn’t there have been a “Mission accomplished” sign in that picture displaying the captured missiles?

    • just
      March 26, 2014, 7:29 pm

      Wanna bet Netanyahu is wearing a codpiece behind the podium?

      This was bs from the gitgo…….I am happily surprised to see that Reuters published the truth, and exposed the false flag operation by the government of Israel– a government that seeks to undermine any and all peace efforts anywhere, and stabs the US in the back, slaps our face, kicks us in the nether regions as a matter of course– all the while violating international laws and taking our billions with glee.

      our totally crazy relationship with the apartheid state is a threat to our national security, among many other things.

  2. a blah chick
    March 26, 2014, 10:22 am

    Concerning that top picture: what is with Jewish Israelis and their flag? If they have one flag its got to be a BIG flag flanked by a whole of little flags. I believe this is called over compensating.

    This was my favorite part: “Asked on the day of the ship seizure which Palestinian militants were to have received the arms cache and how, Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said: “I don’t know, but it is clear this was meant to reach terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip…” There is no hope for this man because you can’t fix stupid.

    Even if that Malaysian plane hadn’t gone missing their show would have still have closed out of town with negative reviews.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 26, 2014, 11:18 am

      what is with Jewish Israelis and their flag?… I believe this is called over compensating.

      thanks so much for jogging my memory blah chick, i forgot all about the aipac conference and iranian fm’s tweet (what a “coincidence!”). i added that reference and link to the first paragraph.

      anyway, yeah, originally i had the photo at the base of netanyahu – on the top, but after intercepting that photo w/the flag i just started laughing! i actually think it’s a poster of a flag. i don’t really think they hang a flag that big. and i recall a really funny op ed at haaretz, although i forget who wrote it, sort of a ‘enough already!’.

      you know what tipped me off? every morning i google news for israel as well as palestine and there’s always something new. but for those 5 days, every singe day it was just ‘israel intercepts weapons’ like it was the biggest catch of the year, like huge. and well, it just wasn’t a story worth all this shabang. it was way too clear it was a pr gambit. the kind you can’t throw on the fly, the kind lots of money, effort and resources went into creating. it’s like throwing a wedding (or a funeral) for thousands of people. pulling that off in a couple of days requires top professionals. i just don’t buy it and my guess is others didn’t buy it either.

      Even if that Malaysian plane hadn’t gone missing their show would have still have closed out of town with negative reviews.

      yeah, it wasn’t just because of that Malaysian plane. i think israel’s forte, aside from torture and oppression, is hasbara. we’ve all been inundated with it for so long we just expect it. and i think people instinctively saw this for what it was, a false flag for a global pr coup. really desperate as far as i am concerned.

      but on a ‘happy’ note, it’s a great demonstration how crying wolf too often results in a public yawn. in real life spontaneous events actually look and feel spontaneous. this didn’t. israel’s pr just doesn’t work anymore. the internet killed it.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 26, 2014, 12:19 pm

      “Concerning that top picture: what is with Jewish Israelis and their flag? If they have one flag its got to be a BIG flag flanked by a whole of little flags. I believe this is called over compensating.”

      I assumed that was just photoshopped.

      That was a real display??? Holy Reichsparteitag, Batman, that looks to be right out of Nuremberg.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 26, 2014, 12:37 pm

        That was a real display??? Holy Reichsparteitag, Batman,

        yes it was definitely the real display at Eilat’s military port. talk about over kill!

      • Justpassingby
        March 26, 2014, 4:52 pm

        Note the 5329 flags in front of “it” too.

    • Taxi
      March 26, 2014, 2:33 pm

      OMG the size of that israeli flag is hilarious! It’s like Hollywood meets Idi Amin productions.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 26, 2014, 4:44 pm

        LOL. thanks for chiming in taxi. yes, it is raaawther over the top daaarling!

  3. American
    March 26, 2014, 11:03 am

    Israel, the land of clowns and psychos.
    Their ploys are always soooo transparent…..as if anything could get into Gaza between the Isr and now Egyptian blockade.

  4. hophmi
    March 26, 2014, 11:09 am

    So you suggest that instead of the weapons going to terrorists who want to kill Jews by firing them from the Gaza Strip, they’re going to terrorists who to kill Jews by firing them from the Sinai.

    Whatever.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 26, 2014, 11:22 am

      actually i didn’t suggest that hops because that’s not what i think. my hunch, as i hinted in the last embed in the article, was that initially it was a diversionary operation.

      and then i elaborated on the hasbara aspect here: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/analysts-captured-weapons.html/comment-page-1#comment-652261

    • mikeo
      March 26, 2014, 11:26 am

      Reading comprehension is not your forte hophmi…

      A U.S. official and two non-Israeli regional sources said Israel appeared to be insisting on the Gaza destination in order to spare the military-backed interim Egyptian administration embarrassment as it struggles to impose order in the Sinai.

      It is not clear at all who these weapons were intended for or even if they were genuinely “captured”.

    • Donald
      March 26, 2014, 11:34 am

      Cheer up hophmi. The IDF terrorists will always have enough weapons from the US to kill civilians in Gaza, and they get to take potshots at farmers and fishermen without the US saying one word about it.

      • hophmi
        March 26, 2014, 11:50 am

        “Cheer up hophmi. The IDF terrorists will always have enough weapons from the US to kill civilians in Gaza, and they get to take potshots at farmers and fishermen without the US saying one word about it.”

        Cheer up Donald. No one gives a rats ass where the weapons were headed. Everybody knows what they were for, and that’s what’s important.

        If you want to attach your wagon to the Iranian horse’s ass, that’s your gambit. I wouldn’t advise it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 26, 2014, 12:33 pm

        No one gives a rats ass where the weapons were headed. Everybody knows what they were for, and that’s what’s important.

        oh please, don’t pretend for one minute what “everyone knows”. because as far as i am concerned israel had as much to gain, if not much more, from this boondoggle pr, as anyone. don’t you think for even one minute that israel, just like hundreds of countries on the planet, has the ability to contract the Panama-flagged KLOS C civilian cargo ship loaded up w/weapons so they could miraculously pull off this gambit in their pitch for world opinion?

        or haven’t you ever heard of false flags? just a little reminder hops, i am not the only person who has thought of this. don’t even go there.

        what’s important is for you to realize is that you’re dead wrong, if there is one thing i am certain, it’s that “Everybody” does not trust israel’s claims. and that goes straight to the heart of the initial claim. what they ‘intercepted’ was probably the ship they knew would be there, because they easily could have set it up from the get go!

      • hophmi
        March 26, 2014, 2:57 pm

        “or haven’t you ever heard of false flags?”

        Yeah, I know. Every story that has some potential pr benefit for Israel is a false flag. Annie, when you claim that every story is a false flag, you lose credibility.

        Here, you expressed agreement with the belief that a chemical weapons attack inside of Syria was a false flag operation. http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/explosions-damascus-earthquake.html/comment-page-1#comment-560547

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/03/because-liberate-jerusalem.html/comment-page-1#comment-550527

        Here, you suggested that the JDL would killed Jews as a false flag operation against BDS members.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/against-extremist-delegitimization.html#comment-623960

        Here, in response to a story that an Israeli bus driver had saved scores of lives by removing people from a bus that had a bomb on board, you suggested that it was a false flag operation because no Palestinian group had taken responsibility.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/palestinian-sabikha-israeli.html/comment-page-1#comment-623720

        Here, you claimed that Israel’s shooting down of a drone was a false flag operation.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/israeli-air-force-shoots-down-unidentified-drone-over-negev.html#comment-506005

        Here and here, you suggest that the terrorist attacks in New Delhi were a false flag attack by “Zionists.”

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/israeli-air-force-shoots-down-unidentified-drone-over-negev.html#comment-506005

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/un-official-condemns-israels-strategy-of-judaization-throughout-israelpalestine.html/comment-page-1#comment-424670

        Here, you suggest that Israel will launch false flag attacks in the Jordan Valley, and then use them as a premise to attack Jordan.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/israeli-newspaper-owner-says-jewish-lobby-in-u-s-prevents-obama-from-acting-against-settlers-apartheid-regime.html#comment-395337

        You have a long history of this brand of speculation, always without any evidence or proof to back up what you say.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 26, 2014, 5:33 pm

        you expressed agreement with the belief that a chemical weapons attack inside of Syria was a false flag operation.

        me and millions of other people. the CW attack was used to set up assad, obviously.

        you suggested that the JDL would killed Jews as a false flag operation against BDS members.

        that’s called a retort hops, and is certainly no less inflammatory than jeff’s instigation for my reply: Wait til a BDS supporter does a mass shooting at a synagogue or at an Israeli independence day parade

        oh, thanks for reminding me hops, speaking of

        Here, you claimed that Israel’s shooting down of a drone was a false flag operation.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/israeli-air-force-shoots-down-unidentified-drone-over-negev.html/comment-page-1#comment-506005

        that reminds me very much of another drone, or alleged drone that was shot down over lebanon. i mentioned it here w/embed: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/whos-creating-instability-in-southern-lebanon-and-why.html

        On Saturday November 19 the Wall Street Journal reported:

        On a recent Saturday afternoon, a radar operated by French United Nations peacekeepers picked up a pilotless Israeli reconnaissance drone crossing into south Lebanon. It was given no more attention than any of the dozens of other surveillance missions flown by the Israelis in Lebanese airspace each month.
        But when the drone passed above Wadi Hojeir, a yawning valley with steep, brush-covered slopes, it abruptly vanished from the radar screen. The startled peacekeepers contacted the Lebanese army, and a search of the rugged valley was conducted in the early-evening gloom. Nothing was found.

        this was early on, before allison reported Israel strikes its own spy system in Lebanon http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/israel-strikes-its-own-spy-system-in-lebanon.html

        it was also before iran took down that US drone in that famous incident. basically, before it became known that controlling another countries drone to do and go where you want was a known option…anyway, i was always curious about that report of the drone going down in lebanon, the one spotted by the U.N. peacekeepers before they were blown up in their van. so when i was at mleeta, and they have guides there who answer all your questions, i asked about that drone spotted by the U.N. peacekeepers back in 2011. they said israel took it down themselves because they realized lebanon got control of the spy apparatus inside the drone after hezbollah started controlling the spy tech inside the drone and sending israel controlled images via their own drone.

        it still doesn’t explain where the drone went, but it explains why israel was so frantic discovering definitively hezbollah knew how to do that.

        Here, you suggest that Israel will launch false flag attacks in the Jordan Valley, and then use them as a premise to attack Jordan.

        yeah, and i will continue to speculate israel could use false flag operations in the future. it’s actually not an uncommon form of warfare and has been around for a long long time. speculation of future false flags is something expert analysts consider all the time, as does all our top intel i am quite certain.

        in fact, it’s not uncommon when people commit crimes to try leading detectives off the track by framing someone else.

        oh lookie see:
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/undercover-israeli-combatants-threw-stones-at-idf-soldiers-in-west-bank-1.428584

        Undercover soldiers hurled stones in the “general direction” of IDF soldiers as part of their activity to counter weekly demonstrations in the Palestinian village of Bil’in, the commander of the Israeli Prison Service’s elite “Masada” unit revealed during his recent testimony in the trial of MK Mohammed Barakeh (Hadash).

        Barakeh has been charged with assaulting a border guard in Bil’in who was attempting to arrest a demonstrator….

        Several “Masada” fighters testified two weeks ago in Barakeh’s trial in the Tel Aviv Magistrate’s court. The fighters testified from behind a curtain and their identity is to remain secret. The central witness was “Fighter 102,” an officer in “Masada,” who told the court that “we were sent to counter the disruptions at the separation barrier in Bil’in. It was the first time I was undercover. Two men were arrested, they were Palestinians.”

        When quizzed by defense attorney Orna Kohn if the undercover soldiers hurled stones, “102” answered that they did. When asked if he hurled stones toward IDF soldiers, he answered “in the general direction.”

        The unit’s commander, “fighter 101,” who commanded the operation that day, shed light on the unit’s operational methods. “I was commander of the force, directed by the IDF, following intelligence about a huge demonstration due to take place in the Bil’in area. We had several forces in the field – one of them was an undercover force whose mission was to provide intelligence and carry out ‘quality’ arrests, if needed, and a rescue force which was wearing regular uniforms,” he revealed.

        and they were also there to hurl stones which in turn ‘justified’ the iof firing at protestors. all. the. time. hops. and there are photos of these false flaggers too.

      • UpSIDEdown
        March 26, 2014, 7:16 pm

        Annie
        I truly enjoy and agree with you’re articles as well as great comments. No one could ever tell you that you that you’re not up to the minute in what’s happening on many of these aspects. Thank you for you’re compassioned sharing and of course you’re great wit.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 26, 2014, 8:26 pm

        thank you so much upsidedown, that puts a smile on my face.

      • hophmi
        March 28, 2014, 2:03 pm

        Your response is laughable, Annie. And so is your citation of the article from Haaretz, in which you confuse an undercover operation, where undercover officers have to blend into a crowd, with a false flag operation.

        Listen, it’s your credibility. Claiming everything is a false flag operation is a nice, anti-intellectual method of avoiding anything that might upset your preconceived biases. I guess that’s easy to do when you’re a ceramics artist in San Francisco.

      • Donald
        March 26, 2014, 12:41 pm

        “If you want to attach your wagon to the Iranian horse’s ass, that’s your gambit. I wouldn’t advise it.”

        Thanks. Fortunately I’m not a country and so the advice doesn’t apply. If you’re making a serious point, yes, Iran allies itself with some unsavory types (like the Syrian government) and gives them weapons, just as the US does. I’d take the outrage over this weapons shipment more seriously if Israel didn’t have a long history of using weapons to kill Arab civilians.

      • pjdude
        March 26, 2014, 2:02 pm

        To defend Arabs against israeli aggression. He’ll israel has started most of the wars it was involved in

      • libra
        March 26, 2014, 5:40 pm

        hophmi: ….rats ass… ….horse’s ass….

        No half-assed hasbara from hophmi today.

      • K Renner
        March 29, 2014, 12:03 am

        >> “If you want to attach your wagon to the Iranian horse’s ass, that’s your gambit. I wouldn’t advise it.”

        Why should anyone take you seriously– or as seriously as one takes anyone on the internet– in what you say if easily two thirds of your posts consist of masturbatory “Dey want to kill us Jews because we’re JEWS” and cheap insults and insinuation?

    • eljay
      March 26, 2014, 11:43 am

      So you suggest that instead of the weapons going to terrorists who want to kill Jews by firing them from the Gaza Strip, they’re going to terrorists who to kill Jews by firing them from the Sinai.

      Whatever.

      Maybe the weapons were going to freedom fighters who want to end the 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder being committed by the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel and by hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists like you.

      Whatever.

      • K Renner
        March 29, 2014, 12:06 am

        If they were intended for the Sinai, the people they were intended for most certainly aren’t Palestinian nationalists and the senders are beyond the shadow of a doubt not connected to Iran outside of warped minds like Netanyahu’s.

        Al-Maqdis is in the Sinai, and they’re bad news for everyone.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 26, 2014, 12:17 pm

      “So you suggest that instead of the weapons going to terrorists who want to kill Jews by firing them from the Gaza Strip, they’re going to terrorists who to kill Jews by firing them from the Sinai.”

      Why would you put “Jews” here instead of “Isrealis”?? Seems very antisemitic to me, judging by the reaction one gets if, for example, AIPAC is described as a “Jewish Lobby” rather than an “Israeli Lobby” or if, for example, in discussing the occupation, one would say that “the Jews are oppressing the Palestinians” rather than “the Israelis are oppressing the Palestinians.”

      I guess another possbility is that you simply believe that it makes it worse to try to kill a person who happens to be Jewish than to try to kill someone who happens to be non-Jewish. In which case, you’re a bigot.

      So which is it, hoppy, are you an antisemite or a bigot?

    • puppies
      March 26, 2014, 12:37 pm

      Kill Jews, Hophme?
      How’s that? My relatives who still have religion are perfectly cool with the idea that we must arm the Palestinians at least as well as the Azraelis. They are not in the line of fire and have no intention of becoming a target by invading anyone.

    • pjdude
      March 26, 2014, 1:59 pm

      Because it’s not like Arabs have a right to defend themselves doublely so against israel. Not everyone who opposes israel is a terrorist. Labeling everyone against you a terrorist only makes you look unhinged and childish

    • a blah chick
      March 26, 2014, 8:49 pm

      Exactly how were the “terrorists” suppose to get these things into Gaza? Through their underwater tunnels?

      Damn those Gazans are clever!

  5. Kay24
    March 26, 2014, 12:57 pm

    Ah, the US officials are catching up fast….the world seems to be ahead in doubting Israel, and the tall tales it makes up. Isn’t it strange that their mighty Mossad, and the “brilliant” intelligence they claim to have could not have shed light on the fact that this shipment was not meant for “terrorists” in Gaza, but to Egypt? As the article says, how can (especially after the flotilla fiasco) anyone be bold enough to send a shipment of weapons under the suspicious noses of the Israeli Guards? Israel, seems to constantly trying to make Iran look bad, but strangely enough every effort seems to backfire on them. War mongering is hard work, and Israel is working overtime.

  6. justicewillprevail
    March 26, 2014, 1:44 pm

    Israel’s propaganda is getting more risible by the day. Most of the world shrugs, rolls their eyes and ignores their hysterical amateur dramatics. Cartoon bombs, student videos and flag-waving stunts are not the stuff of statesmen but of over excited prom queens. The only effect they have is to make Iran look the more rational, less deluded state of the two.

  7. DaBakr
    March 26, 2014, 2:14 pm

    oh right….”destined for Sinai..” according the “some US experts…” As if:

    1) going to Sinai does not constitute the same exact threat level as Gaza

    2) as if ‘going to Gaza’ means precisely that the missles were going to somehow magically appear in Gaza without having first gone through Northern Africa and then the Sinai and eventually through tunnels to Gaza

    3) Reuters isn’t in the least bit an anti-Zionist pov news org.

    4)people are really this stupid as to believe ‘going to Sinai is very different then ‘going to Gaza’ or ‘eventually bond for Gaza or even, eventually bound to target Israel from EITHER Gaza or Hamas/IJ/controlled areas of Sinai

    Next reuters will be telling you that Iranian nuke program is not being designed with Israel in mind. That Hezbollah is not trying to transfer/transfering Syrian wmd’s into Lebanon [oh…’according to US experts]

    if the past few years of Obamas administration has taught anybody anything it is that the supposed ‘expertise’ of US intell, despite what the NSA is busy taping, is sorely lacking in the ‘expertise’ part and that countless times has the US been dead wrong. Maybe massive dumps of intell gathering will prove to be much less effective then training real experts to analyze more data then just what tracks through cell technology. And just because Israel announces its capture of ship in time to spark ‘conspiracy theory’ about the yearly aipac meeting MW’ers should remember well that Israeli officials don’t generally consider their timing and US/Isr public relations as an important factor when releasing intell or commentary. I can think of half a dozen recent incidents where military or gov’t officials made poorly timed remarks or criticisms of US and Obama policy. Yet the thing that really stands out is how little the world seems to care about such a build up of missiles and what the next conflagration will look like the next time missiles fly. As is typical here on mw though-the blame will be placed entirely on Israel and Zionism with Hamas and other cells in the region-be they Egyptian or Palestinian-being cast as eternal victims.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 27, 2014, 12:52 am

      US intell, despite what the NSA is busy taping, is sorely lacking in the ‘expertise’ part

      uh huh

      Israeli officials don’t generally consider their timing and US/Isr public relations as an important factor

      uh huh

      how little the world seems to care about such a build up of missiles

      surely you don’t mean in comparison to tiny israel’s meager build up? phew!

      Palestinian-being cast as eternal victims

      bwahhh. let’s quote hops: going to terrorists who want to kill Jews by firing them from the Gaza Strip, they’re going to terrorists who to kill Jews…

      now who sounds like the eternal victim?

      you know what i’d like to see? all of israel’s weapons lined up on display. i bet it’s more impressive than 40 M-302 rockets.

  8. DaBakr
    March 26, 2014, 3:40 pm

    Israel had over 2 months to prepare for this mission and plan for if it was accomplished or not. And since boats don’t move too fast somebody in charge had to pick the exact day for stoppage and boarding. Of course they would make a big deal out of it becuase it is hardly a secret that iran smuggles arms to the 2 H’s. There is no reason for them to have wasted money on the ridiculous theory-always ascribed to Israel or the CIA-of ‘false flag’ operations. The point Israel made which people here and other places are tone-deaf to, could care less about or whatever, is that there could be (or already were) other ships at any given time loaded up and bound for Gaza that will succeed. Depending on what your view is-this would be either good or bad news. But calling it a false flag only shows how absurd your thought process’s are as if there havn’t been enough missile launches of this type from EITHER Gaza or Sinai to confirm that missiles make their way somehow to the region. How many times does one have to bring up Occams Razor before it sinks in that there was nothing complictaed about this display and it is doubtful the display was meant primarily for anyone but a domestic audience as the US congress would have known about it w/o public PR.
    (as for all the display of nationalism and flag waving I would merely point you to any recent march in Gaza with gigantic flags displayed and HUGE missile sculpture built as ‘art’ in downtown Gaza City or any other massive display of what usually amounts to Islamic/Arab Extremism aimed at destroying Israel

    (and since the 2 ‘chicks’ here are so concerned with what flag display symbolizes about its nationals I would direct you to count how many Arab/Islamic flags have guns, swords and other murderous weapons on them with no hand-wringing by yourselves. Can’t imagine how ballistic you 2 would go if Israel had an Uzi emblazoned over magen david like Hezbollah does as the effective government of South Lebanon.)

    • a blah chick
      March 26, 2014, 8:54 pm

      “I would merely point you to any recent march in Gaza with gigantic flags displayed and HUGE missile sculpture built as ‘art’ in downtown Gaza City or any other massive display of what usually amounts to Islamic/Arab Extremism aimed at destroying Israel”

      OMG they marched down their own streets carrying flags and a missile sculpture! That must have killed an awful lot of people!

      • Kay24
        March 27, 2014, 5:30 am

        While Israel carries the real thing, has missiles, precision bombs, cluster bombs, you name it, and does kill an awful lot of people.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 27, 2014, 12:33 am

      it is doubtful the display was meant primarily for anyone but a domestic audience

      which is precisely why netanyahu’s speech in hebrew! whoops, i meant english…

    • talknic
      March 27, 2014, 7:36 am

      @DaBakr “Israel had over 2 months to prepare for this mission and plan for if it was accomplished or not. And since boats don’t move too fast somebody in charge had to pick the exact day for stoppage and boarding”

      Two months to sail that far? http://youtu.be/qZkCnel5Js4?t=49s WOW!! Look at the route the IDF (bastion of honesty) says it took, not once but TWICE thru the most heavily guarded sea in the world today. The more Israel explains, the more unbelievable it looks

      “There is no reason for them to have wasted money on the ridiculous theory-always ascribed to Israel or the CIA-of ‘false flag’ operations”

      Not even to boost Israel’s chances of continued BILLIONS from the US?

      “But calling it a false flag only shows how absurd your thought process’s are as if there havn’t been enough missile launches of this type from EITHER Gaza or Sinai ..”

      There have? Examples please of ANY missile launches of this type from EITHER Gaza or Sinai… thx

    • ritzl
      March 27, 2014, 7:54 am

      Or, since Israel knew everything about this shipment, they could have tracked it to its destination and come up with some actual evidence for their claim. But no. As it is, the claim is pure fiction. Simply made up.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 27, 2014, 10:09 am

      Israel had over 2 months to prepare for this mission

      speaking of preparation, and just out of curiosity, how much advance time goes into planning one of those aipac conferences?

      sorry for the OT.

      • hophmi
        March 28, 2014, 2:26 pm

        About the same amount of time as planning Israel Apartheid Week.

      • K Renner
        March 29, 2014, 12:19 am

        Non sequitur.

  9. Justpassingby
    March 26, 2014, 4:51 pm

    As usual Israel government lies.
    And that flag…wow thats propaganda!

  10. Pixel
    March 26, 2014, 10:10 pm

    There are a lot of hysterical comments on here.

    LOVE IT!

    Watching that mashup, I almost spit my drink out.

  11. yonah fredman
    March 26, 2014, 10:58 pm

    If these weapons were heading to the Sinai, it indeed indicts those who assert that it was headed to Gaza, but it certainly does not exonerate Iran. The source of the weapons is not being questioned, merely their destination and a shipment of arms to “whomever” in Sinai means that Iran is fighting the Egyptian government. That’s copacetic? Not.

    • talknic
      March 27, 2014, 1:40 am

      @ yonah fredman ” The source of the weapons is not being questioned”

      Correction .. The source of the cement is not being questioned.

      merely their destination and a shipment of arms to “whomever” in Sinai means that Iran is fighting the Egyptian government. That’s copacetic? Not.”

      A) The weapons are of a type that need substantial launching devices http://www.armamentresearch.com/assessment-of-the-khaibar-1-rockets-captured-by-the-idf/

      B) They appear to have been made in Syria http://militaryedge.org/armaments/302mm-khaibar/

      Then shipped to Iran ???

      C) Given Israel’s history of deception …..

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 27, 2014, 10:44 am

      “but it certainly does not exonerate Iran. The source of the weapons is not being questioned”

      Why would Iran need exonerating? Many state engage in military sales and providing other states with weapons. That’s why the gunships used to murder children in Gaza by Israelis are named after Native American tribes which the US tried to genocide. Or the international weapons trade something in which only non-Muslims are permitted to engage in your opinion.?

    • K Renner
      March 29, 2014, 12:25 am

      >> ” The source of the weapons is not being questioned, merely their destination and a shipment of arms to “whomever” in Sinai means that Iran is fighting the Egyptian government. That’s copacetic? Not.”

      You do realize that the primary actors in the Sinai insurgency against the Egyptian Army and police are loosely associated with Ayman Al-Zawahiri and more then likely, being Salafi Jihadi/Takfiri, would find the idea of even talking to Shias as being heretical to their extreme brand of conservative Islamism, right?

      I can see absolutely nothing even the hard-line elements within the Iranian government would gain in supporting Beit Al-Maqdis in their endeavour to “cleanse” Egypt of all the non-Salafi Jihadis/Zawahirians.

  12. ritzl
    March 27, 2014, 7:02 am

    1155 lbs. and 16′ long.

    http://militaryedge.org/armaments/302mm-khaibar/

    Let’s see. The convoy of trucks cruises through Egyptian Rafah and pulls up to the 100′ long entrance ramp (these things don’t bend much) to the non-existent tunnel to Gaza. The crane then offloads the rockets onto waiting donkey carts to go through the non-existent tunnel. The rockets are then brought up the 100′ exit ramp in Rafah, Gaza, all under the watchful eyes of Israel and Egypt.

    Gaza my ass. It’s absurd on its face. ACME cartoon bomb absurd.

    Thank God for Reuters. I wish more orgs and individuals had the ability to step back from such obvious BS, if only for a moment. I’d like to see Netanyahu’s sputtering and dissembling when asked how these were to get to Gaza.

    Thanks, Annie.

    OT: If there’s any munitions folks out there, what’s the significance of the ogive and conical noses of these rockets. The ogives may have a little longer range, but does it suggest any clues to warheads or mfg. origins? Just curious.

  13. R3DRABB1
    March 27, 2014, 12:00 pm

    Remember Israel just bombed Sudan in October of 2012, Israel is desperate to stop Iranian influence in the world and into Africa.
    Sudan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon have a arms supply line that is one of the biggest deterrents to Israels Zionist expansionist agendas and total control of the M.E.
    These arms were supplies for Sudan who has close ties with Iran, There is no evidence of any of the accusations Israel is claiming, this is out of desperation to derail the talks of international powers with Iran that might Avoid War instead of Israels goal of having Americas finance and die fighting in Iran.
    Even if this is the official story, There is no proof that this shipment was going to Hamas, actually Iran has been exporting arms to Africa since the 80’s. Southern Sudan and Iran have been fortifying the ports and strategic locations for years especially with the U.S./Israel backing the Sudan rebels.
    The pace and scope of the construction of the Iranian naval, military and logistical bases in Port Sudan grew markedly. IRGC engineering units in civilian clothes and a vast army of Sudanese workers build both logistical piers to rapidly download and upload vessels, and military piers to support warships and submarines. Further away from the port, the Iranians and the Sudanese are building several new clusters of fortified bunkers and other storage sites. Both the new piers and the fortified storage sites would be able to handle tanks and combat vehicles, missile systems, self-propelled artillery and other heavy weaponry.
    In mid-May 2013, the IRGC units started the construction of fencing, watchtowers, and fortifications, as well as the construction of fortified air-defense positions where SAM batteries would be deployed.
    Israel, the U.S., or other Western powers, are closely monitoring progress and even attempt to sabotage this resistance to another ZIONIST proxy war to overthrow Sudan.
    This is just blatant propaganda from Israel and the Zionist Terrorist Pigs who are desperate as they lose all credibility and relevance on the world stage.

  14. sam_82
    March 28, 2014, 12:20 am

    Wow what stupid anti-Israeli lies. Its pretty obvious that weapons are not directly going to Gaza. Its also pretty obvious why they are going to Sinai. Where are the rockets that are fired from Gaza coming from? Sinai through the tunnels or other ways. Please stop with the [..] nonsense. What explanation do you have for weapons flowing from Iran to Sinai? To help the Egyptian government?

    • Annie Robbins
      March 28, 2014, 1:20 am

      Where are the rockets that are fired from Gaza coming from?

      for the most part, they are assembled inside gaza. M302s are preassembled, and they are 18 ft long. A U.S. official points out (and i blockquoted in the article above) “M302s were not designed to be disassembled for easier smuggling.”

      What explanation do you have for weapons flowing from Iran to Sinai?

      it’s not an allegation i made, so i don’t need an explanation. allegedly, the ship was intercepted between Sudan and Eritrea in the Red Sea. it could have been headed…anywhere and i’m not convinced they originated in iran. they were syrian made and there are so many foreign actors operating in syria at the moment…basically, from my ptv, if israel said it, the chances are truth is not a factor in the story. there’s just no compelling reason to believe anything israel’s military spokespeople say. or the government for that matter.

    • ritzl
      March 29, 2014, 3:51 pm

      @sam_82- Well…stupid?

      A) Then why did the GoI, not Annie, say they were [headed for Gaza]? Is that an anti-Israel lie?

      B) It’s entirely possible they were destined for some group in Sinai. There’s certainly cause to believe that rockets of this range/type have been used against Eilat. But that belies the fact that the GoI knew about the shipment, interdicted at sea, and blamed Hamas without evidence. The Israelis could have tracked the shipment and alerted their Egyptian allies as to location and purpose. But they didn’t. They made something up.

      C) There are no more tunnels into Gaza. As Annie said, the rockets from Gaza are small and pieceparted together (i.e. smuggle-able). These M-302’s are not either.

      D) All that Israel would have to do to help their own case is tell the truth. They don’t. It’s a pathology. “Truth” is not [necessarily] on their side, even though in this case it might be if and only if they would tell it. They won’t because it invites inquiry into the many gaping holes in their overall propaganda effort and why they have to engage in it. The whole narrative might unravel and they (GoI) can’t risk that. Trapped…

  15. Jackdaw
    March 29, 2014, 2:55 pm

    “Weapons bound for al-Qaeda-linked fighters in north Egypt are almost certainly not coming out of Iran”

    Who’s to say that the weapons weren’t being sent to an Islamic Jihad cell operating from Sinai? Islamic Jihad is an Iranian proxy.

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