Judith Butler, Rashid Khalidi and over 150 other scholars condemn censorship, intimidation of Israel critics

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Rashid Khalidi and Judith Butler

Rashid Khalidi and Judith Butler

The following open letter was shared with Mondoweiss:

Whether one is for or against Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) as a means to change the current situation in Palestine-Israel, it is important to recognize that boycotts are internationally affirmed and constitutionally protected forms of political expression. As non-violent instruments to effect political change, boycotts cannot be outlawed without trampling on a constitutionally protected right to political speech. Those who support boycotts ought not to become subject to retaliation, surveillance, or censorship when they choose to express their political viewpoint, no matter how offensive that may be to those who disagree.

We are now witnessing accelerating efforts to curtail speech, to exercise censorship, and to carry out retaliatory action against individuals on the basis of their political views or associations, notably support for BDS. We ask cultural and educational institutions to have the courage and the principle to stand for, and safeguard, the very principles of free expression and the free exchange of ideas that make those institutions possible. This means refusing to accede to bullying, intimidation, and threats aimed at silencing speakers because of their actual or perceived political views. It also means refusing to impose a political litmus test on speakers and artists when they are invited to speak or show their work. We ask that educational and cultural institutions recommit themselves to upholding principles of open debate, and to remain venues for staging expressions of an array of views, including controversial ones. Only by refusing to become vehicles for censorship and slander, and rejecting blacklisting, intimidation, and discrimination against certain viewpoints, can these institutions live up to their purpose as centers of learning and culture.

Judith Butler
Professor, UC Berkeley

Rashid Khalidi
Edward Said Professor in Modern Arab Studies, Columbia University

Etienne Balibar
Emeritus Professor, Paris-Nanterre

Natalie Zemon Davis
Professor of History

Deborah Eisenberg
Writer

Eve Ensler
Playwright/Activist

Samera Esmeir
Associate Professor, University of California, Berkeley

Khaled Fahmy
Professor, The American University in Cairo

Katherine Franke
Isidor and Seville Sulzbacher Professor of Law, Columbia Law School

Paul Gilroy
London

Naomi Klein
Author and Journalist

Jacqueline Rose
Professor of English, Queen Mary University of London

Mariam C Said
Individual

Joan W Scott
Institute for Advanced Study

Professor Lynne Segal
University of London

Wallace Shawn
Writer

Lila Abu-Lughod
Columbia University

Sara Ahmed
Goldsmiths, University of London

Udi Aloni
Filmmaker and writer

Richard Appelbaum
MacArthur Foundation Chair, Global & International Studies, UCSB

Elsa Auerbach
Professor Emerita, UMass Boston

Lisa Baraitser
Birkbeck, University of London

Yael Bartana
Artist

Rosalyn Baxandall
SUNY Old Westbury Distinguished Prof Emeritus

Joel Beinin
Donald J McLachlan Professor of History, Stanford Univerrsity

Emanuela Bianchi
New York University

Omri Boehm
New School for Social Research, Assistant Professor

John Borneman
Princeton University

Nicolas Bousserez
Research Associate, University of Colorado at Boulder

Sarah Bracke
Harvard Divinity School

Naomi Braine
Brooklyn College

Laurie A. Brand
University of Southern California

Renate Bridenthal
Professor, retired from CUNY

Wendy Brown
UC Berkeley

Shale Brownstein
Retired psychiatrist HHC

Susan Buck-Morss
Distinguished Professor, CUNY Graduate Center

Eduardo Cadava
Princeton University

Margaret Cerullo
Hampshire College

Sally Charnow
Hofstra University, Professor of History

Alexandra Chasin
New School for Social Research

Eric Cheyfitz
Professor, Cornell University

Kandice Chuh
Professor of English, CUNY Graduate Center

Ilene Cohen
Editor

Elliott Colla
Georgetown University

Christopher Connery
Professor, University of California Santa Cruz

Stuart Davis
Cornell University

Walt Davis
Retired minister/professor

Ashley Dawson
Professor, English Department, CUNY

Colin Dayan
Vanderbilt University

Brett de Bary
Professor, Asian Studies and Comparative Literature, Cornell University

Beshara Doumani
Professor of History, Brown University

Lisa Duggan
Professor, New York University

Nancy du Plessis
Artist

David Eng
University of Pennsylvania

Darlene Evans
Cornell University

Sara Farris
Assistant Professor, Goldsmiths, University of London

Leila Farsakh
Associate Professor, University of Massachusetts Boston

Pnina Feiler
Physicians for Human Rights

Kathy E. Ferguson
Professor, Departments of Political Science and Women’s Studies, University of Hawai’i

Elle Flanders
Filmmaker

Jeff Fort
University of California, Davis

Cynthia Franklin
Professor of English, University of Hawaii

Carla Freccero
Professor

Jamie Fuller
Artist

Jennifer Gaboury
Hunter College, CUNY

Ellen Gruber Garvey
Ph.D.

Michael Gilsenan
Prof. Michael Gilsenan

Neve Gordon

Samira Haj
Professor

Lisa Hajjar
Professor of Sociology, University of CA-Santa Barbara

J. Halberstam
Professor of American Studies and Ethnicity, USC

Sondra Hale
Research Professor, University of California, Los Angeles

Abdellah Hammoudi
Professor , Princeton University

Beth Harris
Associate Professor, Ithaca College

Professor Emerita, Princeton University

Salah D. Hassan
Associate Professor, MSU

Gail Hershatter
University of California, Santa Cruz

Neil Hertz
Johns Hopkins University

Marianne Hirsch
Professor, Columbia University

Andrew Hsiao
Verso Books

Elizabeth Ingenthron
Graduate Theological Union

Margo Jefferson
Writer

Joseph Jeon
Pomona College

Jeanette Jouili
College of Charleston

Moon-Kie Jung
University of Illinois

Ann Jungman
Writer

Amy Kaplan
University of Pennsylvania

Carolyn L. Karcher
Professor Emerita, Temple University

Suvir Kaul
A M Rosenthal Professor, University of Pennsylvania

Elizabeth Kendall
Associate Professor, New School

Arang Keshavarzian
Faculty member, New York University

Dr. Gail Lewis
Reader in Psychosocial Studies, Birkbeck College

Risa Lieberwitz
Professor, Cornell University

Audrea Lim
Verso Books

David Lloyd
University of California, Riverside

Zachary Lockman
New York University

Ania Loomba
Professor, University of Pennsylvania

Miriam R. Lowi
Professor, The College of New Jersey

Sandra R Mackie
Reverend

Saba Mahmood
UC Berkeley, Associate Professor

Harriet Malinowitz
Professor of English, Long Island University, Brooklyn

Curtis Marez
Associate Professor, University of California, San Diego

Mario Martone
Cornell University

Barry Maxwell
Senior Lecturer, Cornell University

Rela Mazali
Author & Independent Scholar

Jeffrey Menlick
University of Massachusetts Boston

Brinkley Messick
Columbia University

Jennifer Miller
Circus Amok, Director

University of Southern California

Susette Min
University of California, Davis

Chandra Talpade Mohanty
Syracuse University

Aurora Levins Morales
Writer

Fred Moten
University of California, Riverside

Yasser Munif
Emerson College

Tad Mutersbaugh
Professor of Geography, University of Kentucky

Chiara Nappi

Manijeh Nasrabadi
New York University

David Palumbo-Liu
Louise Hewlett Nixon Professor, Stanford

Lizabeth Paravisini-Gebert
Professor, Vassar College

Rosalind Petchesky
Distinguished Professor Emerita, Hunter College & the Graduate Center CUNY

Silvia Posocco
Birkbeck, University of London

Vijay Prashad
Trinity College

Sara Pursley
Associate Editor, International Journal of Middle East Studies

Bruce Robbins
Columbia University

Corey Robin
Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center

Andrew Ross
New York University

Dr. Catherine Rottenberg

John Carlos Rowe

Rachel Rubin
Professor, University of Massachusetts Boston

Leticia Sabsay
Birkbeck College, Univeristy of London

Neil Saccamano
Cornell University

Ilan Safit
Dept. of Philosophy and Religious Studies, Pace University

Josefina Saldaña
Professor, New York University

Paul Sawyer
Cornell University

James Schamus
Columbia University

C. Heike Schotten
Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Massachusetts Boston

Sarah Schulman
Distinguished Professor of the Humanities CUNY College of Staten Island

Sherene Seikaly
Director of Middle East Studies Center, American University in Cairo

Karen Shimakawa
Associate Professor

Lincoln Shlensky
University of Victoria

Marc Siegel
Ast. Professor, Goethe University, Frankfurt, Germany

Victor Silverman
Chair, Department of History, Pomona College

David Simpson
U of California-Davis

Jeffrey Skoller
Professor, UC Berkeley

Darryl A. Smith
Associate Professor, Pomona College

Alisa Solomon
Professor, Columbia University

Dov Waxman
Professor

Robert Warrior
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

Kathy Wazana
Documentary filmmaker

Max Weiss
Princeton University

Laura Wernick
Fordham University

Lisa Westarp
Grace Memorial Episcopal Church

John M. Willis
Assistant Professor, University of Colorado

Dagmawi Woubshet
Cornell University, Associate Professor

Rachel Zolf
Writer

41 Responses

  1. MRW
    March 5, 2014, 11:59 am

    About time.

  2. seafoid
    March 5, 2014, 3:19 pm

    “We are now witnessing accelerating efforts to curtail speech, to exercise censorship, and to carry out retaliatory action against individuals on the basis of their political views or associations, notably support for BDS”

    They could have gone further and said that this has been standard Zionist procedure since Day 1. Thuggery and silencing of all criticism.
    Which has led to the current pass where Zionism has nobody capable of reforming the dysfunction.

    Zionism is anti-intellectual. Always has been.
    The IDF rather than the book. What they wanted.

    Jews who don’t get sand kicked in their face. Who don’t read.

  3. JeffB
    March 5, 2014, 4:55 pm

    “We want the right to attack others without any risk of a counter attack”. Too bad Judith and Rashid, doesn’t work that way. You want to join the war, join the war. But if you do, you are a combatant and fair game.

    Judith you want no one to care what you say, publish on obscure literary theory. You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence. Talk to George Bush who also was mad that the Iraqis didn’t seem to understand that they didn’t have a right to shoot back.

    • James North
      March 5, 2014, 6:09 pm

      JeffB: I see you are still hiding from my comment(s) over on the Pelosi thread. Mondoweiss’s tens of thousands of visitors might start to suspect that you are a troll, sent by Hasbara Central to stir up trouble, instead of ‘a guy who just wants to debate.’
      Here, for your benefit, is the comment I posted (twice) yesterday. Will you keep hiding?

      JeffB: For a guy who says he is not worried at all about BDS and Israel’s future, you are certainly all over Mondoweiss today. Commenting here looks like it has become a full-time job for you.
      Again, why are you so ever-present here? I think the earth is round, but I don’t visit the folks over at flatearthsociety.com to straighten them out.
      By no means am I encouraging you to leave. I think you are one of the most honest pro-Israel commentators we have ever had here, basing your arguments on the Biblical Book of Nietzsche, (which I must have somehow skipped over myself). Your straightforward endorsement of might-makes-right is a refreshing contrast to the dishonest, tortured sophistry that most of the people that Hasbara Central sends over try and use.

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 6:13 pm

        @James —

        I’m not hiding I’ve also explained the reason to you multiple times, familiarizing myself with the anti-Israel arguments of 2014 for when I run into them in the wild. I’ve told you that before. I’m here to talk Israel not me. There are times the BDS ad-hominum attacks get under my skin and I respond but mostly I don’t. I’m not here to talk about me. Not an interesting topic.

      • James North
        March 5, 2014, 6:48 pm

        JeffB: Thank you for replying. A couple of questions:
        1) If you just want to “familiarize” yourself with the arguments, all you would have to do is read them — not comment many times a day. You would have more time free to actually go out “into the wild.”
        2) Where exactly is “the wild” where you might run into “anti-Israel arguments?”
        Again, please keep visiting and commenting. Every time you deploy one of your might-makes-right arguments from the Biblical Book of Nietzsche you make people cringe, and weaken the case for Israel as it truly exists in 2014.

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 9:02 pm

        @James

        I’d say the most common place is universities (I live near a major one, wife is a professor…). You run into it in business, especially when talking to Europeans, “how can America possibly…” You run into it a bit among older African Americans who have some resentments since the ghettos they took over were quite often Jewish prior to becoming black.

    • tree
      March 5, 2014, 6:42 pm

      You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence.

      This applies most aptly to Israel destroying Palestine and then claiming
      “anti-semitism” and screaming bloody murder when the Palestinians fight back, even if its done non-violently.

      “We want the right to attack others without any risk of a counter attack”.
      Don’t know who you are trying to quote there, because those words don’t exist in the open letter, but again it sounds like Zionist thinking and Israel’s foreign policy.

      BTW, if you think censorship and retaliation are such great things, I guess you’s be just hunky with MW banning you… And threatening your job and your livelihood and maybe your children. You certainly approve of it when Zionist do it to their critics. Or do you want the right to attack others without any risk of a counterattack? It sounds like that’s been your viewpoint here all along.

      • eljay
        March 5, 2014, 7:15 pm

        >> JeffB: You do not have the right to war without consequence.
        >> tree: This applies most aptly to Israel destroying Palestine and then claiming “anti-semitism” and screaming bloody murder when the Palestinians fight back, even if its done non-violently.

        Zio-supremacists always talk so very tough, but when they or their supremacist state suffer consequences for their hateful, immoral and unjust actions, they cry like little girls. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.

      • just
        March 5, 2014, 7:34 pm

        “You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence.”

        You’re right! Israel does not have that right at all!

        You are describing exactly what Israel and its adherents have done since the beginning of that benighted state. Israel has been spared much, and many ‘consequence'(s). Your arguments are not only hopelessly whacko, they are seriously sick. You can find the diagnoses in the DSM– narcissistic personality disorder and sociopathic personality .

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 8:52 pm

        @tree

        This applies most aptly to Israel destroying Palestine and then claiming “anti-semitism” and screaming bloody murder when the Palestinians fight back, even if its done non-violently.

        Palestinians who fight Israel are not generally anti-Semities. Obviously some are, but they are people fighting for their dying civilization against an invader. Zionists need to be fight them as an intrinsic enemy so it doesn’t make much difference but for the record, I’ve always thought those claims are BS.

        BTW, if you think censorship and retaliation are such great things, I guess you’s be just hunky with MW banning you

        I approve of open dialogue. Butler isn’t just engaged in dialogue she’s engaged in activism. Activism is joining the war. Blogging is talking about the war. But I think things like AIPAC are legitimate targets for Palestinians and their allies.

    • talknic
      March 5, 2014, 7:47 pm

      JeffB 1st fabricates a straw quote “We want the right to attack others without any risk of a counter attack” .. then attempts to base an argument on the straw quote… <em"Too bad Judith and Rashid, doesn’t work that way. "

      Fail 101 Pajero
      —–
      ” You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence. “

      OK. Let’s accept that as a premise.

      We know Israel HAS NOT been destroyed, nor have any of Israel’s proclaimed sovereign territories ever been taken.

      We know for a fact that during in the civil war prior to Israel’s proclaimed independence there were Jewish forces in territory NOT slated for the Jewish state.

      We also know for a fact that on the day Israel became a state those forces were acting on behalf of that state in territories the Israeli Government claimed were “outside the State of Israel” IOW, the civil war became a war waged by a state against what remained of Palestine

      We also know there are no UNSC resolutions against any Arab state for their actions against Jewish forces active in territories the Israeli Government claimed were “outside the State of Israel”

      We also know Israel has acquired by war more than 50% of what remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine, razing villages, homes, farms, dispossessing non-Jews, ignoring UNSC resolutions, the law and the UN Charter.

      You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence.

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 8:53 pm

        @talknic

        I’ve never argued the Palestinians were illegitimate in fighting the Israelis. I think they are stupid, but I have no moral problem with their struggle.

      • heartbeatt
        March 6, 2014, 10:13 am

        Your arrogance, blatant superiority and denial complex will make many fight even harder against your position.
        For you everything circles around Israel. For the increasing majority, it is about Palestinians and Israelis and everyone else who is negatively affected by your beliefs and actions.
        Yes, we have seen the dirty tricks and lies and bullying Israel’s government and its ‘only Israel’ stance uses. Butler and Khalidi and all who think as they do believe in civil debate and civil disobedience.
        All the wretched repetition about destroying Israel won’t make it true. If anyone is partaking in the destruction, it is people like you.

      • puppies
        March 6, 2014, 12:34 pm

        “All the wretched repetition about destroying Israel won’t make it true.”
        But Zionist barbary and expansionism will make it true.

      • talknic
        March 6, 2014, 11:57 am

        JeffB “I’ve never argued the Palestinians were illegitimate in fighting the Israelis. I think they are stupid, but I have no moral problem with their struggle”

        But Jeffy babe you just said of Israelis “You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence.” Isn’t it rather stupid to break International Law and the UN Charter? Isn’t it rather stupid to covet other folk’s territory when one of the basic tenets of Judaism is NOT to covet other folk’s property? Isn’t it rather stupid to dig a big black illegal facts on the ground hole one cannot possibly afford to legally get out of?

      • JeffB
        March 6, 2014, 1:37 pm

        @talknic

        Isn’t it rather stupid to break International Law and the UN Charter?

        1) Not necessarily.

        2) I don’t consider International Law and the UN’s interpretation of International law to be the same thing. I think the UN consistently emphasizes some parts of International Law while ignoring others. I’ve argued this before but the UN IMHO is trying to reimpose on the world a pre-Westphalia International Law with the UN playing the role of the pope. Ideas that like self determination and the fact that a government must represent the people in a territory play little role in the UN’s scheme but have a much larger role in the body of international law.

        Isn’t it rather stupid to covet other folk’s territory when one of the basic tenets of Judaism is NOT to covet other folk’s property?

        I don’t think there is any such thing as “other folk’s territory”. International law which you referred to above respects the idea that humans migrate. The static view of the world is again a perfect area where MW is taking a feudal view of the world. Under this notion people are essentially serfs forever locked into some territory because their ancestors lived there. I strongly prefer a dynamic world which acknowledges that humans migrate. As humans migrate the territories that various nations hold can change.

        So no I don’t think that’s stupid.

        Isn’t it rather stupid to dig a big black illegal facts on the ground hole one cannot possibly afford to legally get out of?

        No. I don’t agree with you about “illegal facts on the ground”. I also don’t see how the “other folks” can both be eligible for this collection and be part of Israel.

        But even if I did agree with you on debt, I don’t agree that people’s should be held responsible for debts generation after generation after generation. I think the idea of that sort of horrific sanction led to WWII, and if anything is stupid it is trying to impose those sorts of penalties on peoples. I support the notion of bankruptcy including for governments, the ability for a people to clear their debts in an orderly fashion and not have to overthrow the entire system so as to have a decent life.

        On top of that even if we exclude best policy I think there is 0 chance that Israel will ever have to pay that debt you think it owes. The mechanism that is enforced for accumulating debts would be a reparations agreement and I don’t see any reason that Israel would ever agree to such a reparations agreement with some theoretical Palestinians state which was crippling. They would refuse to pay, and would be right to do so.

      • talknic
        March 9, 2014, 1:09 am

        @JeffB “the UN IMHO is trying to reimpose on the world a pre-Westphalia International Law with the UN playing the role of the pope etc etc etc etc etc etc

        Do you ever post anything but bullsh*t?

    • American
      March 5, 2014, 10:09 pm

      ‘You want to destroy a country and wreck a people, god damn right they are gonna fight you. You do not have the right to war without consequence. ”..jeffb

      jeffb actually does contribute something here. Every time I see his screeds it encourages me to do more and reminds me that the best thing I do for Palestine and the USA is in my community among friends and associates and their friends and associates by informing and cultivating even more Americans as enemies of US Zionist, Sparta Israel and mad dog Israelis.
      I think I and we are gonna win this in the end because we get more people every day and he and Israel lose more every day.

  4. just
    March 5, 2014, 5:08 pm

    Great effort by these wonderful people.

    Haaretz is covering it.

    link to haaretz.com

  5. gingershot
    March 5, 2014, 6:40 pm

    The Strategy:
    1- Successful 2nd American Revolution: America Free of AIPAC [and free
    of AIPAC’s Girl Hillary (2nd American Rev)]
    2- Reformulate Judaism as Free of Zionism.
    3- 1P 1V 1S

    The Tactics:
    1- Force AIPAC to register as agent of hostile foreign power then make
    it ILLEGAL
    2- Shame ‘All American Jewry’ and ‘All American Zionism’ – re-dedicate
    Judaism to SERVING Palestinians

    Please support President Barack Obama as We The People lead our 2nd American Revolution to free ourselves from AIPAC and AIPAC’s Girl. We’re in AIPAC’s End Zone – they are in TOTAL STRATEGIC COLLAPSE.

    Shame every American Jew or American Zionist you can find who is NOT helping overthrow AIPAC-Apartheid Israel – OFF.AT.THE.KNEES

    • JeffB
      March 5, 2014, 8:54 pm

      @gingershot

      The days of Jews being ashamed are over. Zionism freed them of that.

  6. lonely rico
    March 5, 2014, 9:09 pm

    On the one hand I read Khalid/Butler – ” … BDS as a means to change the current situation in Palestine-Israel … ought no to become subject ot retaliation, surveillance …”
    and JeffB replies – “We want the right to attack others without any risk of a counter attack”. Too bad Judith and Rashid, doesn’t work that way.”
    What Khalid & Butler and the 150 others are concerned with is of course the daily humiliation of the Palestinians, and when I write humiliation of the Palestinians I am being gentle; it involves the dispossession, incarceration, injury and murder which goes on as I write, and yesterday and the day before, and tomorrow and on and on.
    JeffB, you and I know this reality, and what puzzles me is how you can argue and bob and weave (and misquote, as you did) in defense of this ugly reality. Do you have a heart ? Or has your tribalism shriveled and extinguished your capacity to feel for any other than yourself ?
    Strange and frightening.

    • JeffB
      March 6, 2014, 10:10 am

      @lonely —

      I fully understand their cause. And I’m not a fan of what’s being done to the Palestinians. But IMHO the people that are encouraging the Palestinians to engage in the activities that put them on the road to that harm are BDS.

      Jenny tells Brent that it’s safe to put his hand in lawnmower blade, Brent does and gets his fingers chopped off. Who is to blame? Your argument is the lawnmower is fully to blame and Brent and Jenny bare no responsibility. When I tell Jenny and Brent that their idea of Brent sticking their hand in a lawnmower is dumb, that doesn’t come from wanting Brent to lose fingers it comes from wanting Brent not to lose his fingers.

      The people who have no regard for the Palestinians are the ones who are encouraging them to pursue their destruction. The Palestinians cannot beat Israel. They cannot win. They won’t win. In precisely the same way that Brent’s fingers regardless of how steadfast and brave he is will not hold up against a lawnmower blade. It is a question of physics not morality.

      You want to minimize harm to the Palestinians encourage them to assimilate or leave. Encouraging them to fight it out with the lawnmower is not acting in their interests.

      • puppies
        March 6, 2014, 1:54 pm

        @Wladimir – ” The Palestinians cannot beat Israel. They cannot win. They won’t win.” That’s exactly what Goebbels said about the Albanians. Only two years before buying it.

      • lyn117
        March 8, 2014, 11:04 pm

        So you are saying Israel is a lawnmower. And, I suppose, the people who drive it are those like yourself, happily cutting off fingers of people who were innocently sitting on the grass before the lawnmower came.

  7. Nation7697
    March 5, 2014, 9:36 pm

    The bigots at this site are so predictably pathetic. One guy makes a comment to author of letter and out of the other 11 comments here, all are attacking Jeff while throwing the usual insults at Israel. I come here occasionally only to hear the same bigots every time. Never any comments with facts. Verifiable facts. Only insults and blind and general attacks with no factual basis whatsoever.

    Tell me again how Israel censors the media and quiets anyone with opposing views. Tell me again about Israel’s oppression of the media and opposition. Tell me again how Israelis kill babies for no reason. Tell me again how Jews have no right, no history, no connection to Israel. Tell me about anything… Just use facts. Verifiable facts. And then tell me how what Israel did is so much worse than anything anyone else has done.

    Then tell me why there’s not one mention of Palestinians by neither Muhammed nor the Quran. Not even once. Tell me why. Did Muhammed not like the pals when he said Israel is home of the people of the book. Simple question…. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Lol clowns

    • James North
      March 6, 2014, 12:03 pm

      Hasbara Central sends over a new reinforcement.

      • adele
        March 6, 2014, 12:48 pm

        Truth Central can handle their bigotry. And then we get a comment like Nation7697’s and all one can do is pity them. We have to recognize that some species devolve, nothing we can do to save them.

    • talknic
      March 6, 2014, 12:26 pm

      Nation7697 “The bigots at this site are so predictably pathetic”

      Indeed they are link to mondoweiss.net

      “Never any comments with facts. Verifiable facts”

      Uh huh.

      FACT: Israel proclaimed its borders effective 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to trumanlibrary.org Try to dispute it hotshot.

      FACT: Israel confirmed its border May 22nd 1948 link to unispal.un.org

      FACT: Jerusalem was occupied by Israel in 1948 link to mfa.gov.il

      “Then tell me why there’s not one mention of Palestinians by neither Muhammed nor the Quran.”

      Irrelevant as of the moment Israel proclaimed its borders effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time). UNSC resolutions against Israel are because Israel has been acting illegally in territories the Israeli Government claimed were “outside the state of Israel” link to pages.citebite.com

      “Did Muhammed not like the pals when he said Israel is home of the people of the book.”

      ‘People of the book’ are Jews, Christians and Muslims.

      Say…. you got any facts hotshot?

      • MahaneYehude1
        March 6, 2014, 1:22 pm

        @talknic;

        I just want to clarify the comment about the Quran verses mentioned here. Indeed, there are verses that speak about the direct relation of the people of Israel to the land of Israel. Sura Al-Ma’idan, verses 20-21 say:

        “And when Moses said to his people, “O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back and [thus] become losers.”

      • talknic
        March 8, 2014, 10:02 pm

        MahaneYehude1 “I just want to clarify the comment about the Quran verses mentioned here. Indeed, there are verses that speak about the direct relation of the people of Israel to the land of Israel.”

        Completely irrelevant as of the moment Israel was proclaimed to the world proclaimed “as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time”

        Completely irrelevant to today, International law and the actual sovereign extent of the State of Israel and Israel’s illegal activities in non-Israeli territories it has occupied and NEVER legally annexed by agreement since being proclaimed as independent form Palestine in 1948

    • bintbiba
      March 6, 2014, 12:33 pm

      Facts? Read Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Miko Peled.
      You really are pathetic in your arrogant ignorance.

      • Bumblebye
        March 6, 2014, 1:07 pm

        @bintbiba
        This new commenter doesn’t really care about the facts – note the caveat added “And then tell me how what Israel did is so much worse than anything anyone else has done.” Just another one of those “we’re not the worst, deal with all of them first!”

      • MahaneYehude1
        March 6, 2014, 1:24 pm

        @bintbiba:

        Facts? Read Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Miko Peled.

        Why not Y. Gelber and E. Karsh?

        You really are pathetic in your arrogant ignorance.

        Not sure who is here the pathetic with arrogant ignorance.

      • gamal
        March 9, 2014, 1:49 am

        “Why not Y. Gelber and E. Karsh?”

        Because the criterion was fact, not fancy.

      • MahaneYehude1
        March 9, 2014, 4:55 pm

        @Gamal:

        I bet you didn’t bother to read those books.

    • eljay
      March 6, 2014, 12:34 pm

      >> Then tell me why there’s not one mention of Palestinians by neither Muhammed nor the Quran. Not even once. Tell me why. Did Muhammed not like the pals when he said Israel is home of the people of the book. Simple question…. Anyone?

      Did Mohammed say or does the Qu’ran state – even once – that, in the 20th century, Jews would be entitled:
      – to commit terrorism and ethnic cleansing against the indigenous population of Palestine;
      – to establish an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine; and
      – to engage in a 60+ years, on-going and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder?

      Simple question…. Anyone?

      Didn’t think so. Clown.

    • gamal
      March 9, 2014, 1:36 am

      “Tell me about anything… Just use facts. Verifiable facts” ah facts, hard times indeed,

      “In a famous passage, a visiting official asks Gradgrind’s students “Suppose you were going to carpet a room. Would you use a carpet having a representation of flowers upon it?” The character Sissy Jupe replies, ingenuously, that she would because, “If you please, sir, I am very fond of flowers.”
      “ “And is that why you would put tables and chairs upon them, and have people walking over them with heavy boots?”

      “It wouldn’t hurt them, sir. They wouldn’t crush and wither, if you please, sir. They would be the pictures of what was very pretty and pleasant, and I would fancy -”
      “Ay, ay, ay! But you mustn’t fancy,” cried the gentleman, quite elated by coming so happily to his point. “That’s it! You are never to fancy.”
      “You are not, Cecilia Jupe,” Thomas Gradgrind solemnly repeated, “to do anything of that kind.”
      “Fact, fact, fact!” said the gentleman. And “Fact, fact, fact!” repeated Thomas Gradgrind.”

  8. Erasmus
    March 6, 2014, 2:16 am

    Where can i join and add my name to the list of signatories???

    Does anybody know the respective web-link??

  9. lonely rico
    March 9, 2014, 11:00 am

    Concerning lawnmowers and fingers, I think JeffB has got it backwards.
    It is not the ” … people that are encouraging the Palestinians to engage in the activities that put them on the road to that harm are BDS.”, it is the Palestinians who are crying out to the rest of us to BDS, and they have already lost not just a few fingers, but an arm and a leg, a father, a mother, a child …

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