Pelosi calls Israel’s creation ‘the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century’

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Nancy Pelosi

Nancy Pelosi

House minority leader Nancy Pelosi released a transcript last night of her exchange with Israeli P.M. Netanyahu. She says Netanyahu coming to the Capitol is “like family coming home,” and she calls Israel’s creation “the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century.”

Also, notice that she touts the Israeli high-tech entrepreneurs who live in California, speaking Hebrew, as part of her state’s partnership with the Jewish state.

Leader Pelosi. Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister, for inspiring us once again, even though not in a formal speech. It is my honor to join our distinguished Speaker, in absentia, and the Republican Leader Mr. Cantor in welcoming you to the United States Capitol once again. You’re like family coming home. Each visit is greeted with warmth and excitement on both sides of the aisle and on both sides of the Capitol – a sign of our deep respect for you and the people of Israel and the strong alliance between our two nations.
Today, we reaffirm that respect, remain committed to that enduring partnership and reinforce our bonds of friendship. The longstanding ties between America and Israel are founded in our common values and our common hopes for peace and security. From the founding of the Jewish state through today, the United States has stood strong for Israel’s defense – unwavering in our support of Israel’s future, unyielding in our dedication to peace between Israel and her neighbors. This is a stand that will not change – now, or in the years to come.
Our strategic and mutually beneficial – to both our nations – partnership will only grow stronger as we uphold our promises of cooperation for Israel’s security: preserve and advance Israel’s qualitative military edge; maintain our drive for a comprehensive lasting peace agreement; and, as was your focus Mr. Prime Minister, prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, a threat not only to Israel and the region but to the United States and the world at large. You said the threat should be contained, can be contained – it must be contained.
As you have heard me say, beyond issues of peace and security, it is a source of pride for those of us from the Bay Area to note that you’ll be visiting Silicon Valley this week.
Prime Minister Netanyahu. I hope to hear some people speak Hebrew.
Leader Pelosi. Your wish will be fulfilled, because you will see the symbol of the ties between the entrepreneurs in the United States and in Israel, many of whom, shall we say, divide their time. The Prime Minister and Governor Brown – and this is very exciting for all of us because this is a brand new invitation that we received – Governor Brown and the Prime Minister will sign a memorandum of understanding between Israel and California to promote cooperation in economic development, research and trade – pretty exciting. And look at the symbol…
Prime Minister Netanyahu. California has a tremendous emblem.
Leader Pelosi. Just putting itself right there side-by-side with Israel. This will again be about economic development, research and trade. And it’s a recognition of what we’ve all known for a while: that Israel has been leading the way – the intellectual resources, the entrepreneurship, the scientific knowledge and research and development has really led the world. And we think that this is really a great thing for California and for Israel.
As you know, Mr. Prime Minister – I’ve said it to you so many times – I’ve long held the belief that the establishment of the state of Israel was the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century – the establishment of the state of Israel. Together, Democrats and Republicans are prepared alike to work hand-in-hand with the Prime Minister to ensure that Israel remains a stunning and unquestioned success in the 21st century. And as you have that success, were happy that you’re going to share it with California.
Thank you all very much. Good afternoon.

91 Responses

  1. bilal a
    March 4, 2014, 9:24 am

    Isnt she celebrating Industrial espionage?

    “because you will see the symbol of the ties between the entrepreneurs in the United States and in Israel, many of whom, shall we say, divide their time.”

    • Citizen
      March 4, 2014, 12:17 pm

      Don’t you remember in 2012, when Nancy P said Republicans don’t give a damn about Israel – they only want to leverage Jews into supporting giveaways to fat cats?

      • bilal a
        March 5, 2014, 3:35 pm

        Interesting Ben Shapiro thinks its a Jewish family values thing, though I dont see how the alleged pimp gambling mafia boss Sheldon Adelson fits in with that analysis:

        “Republican Jews are not fools. They are, by and large, the most observant Jews; they’re the ones who actually care most about the State of Israel and basic Jewish principles (none of which include abortion or same-sex marriage, which Jewish law forbids). Pelosi’s attempt to tell Jews that they simply don’t understand either Obama or their own Jewish identity is deeply insulting. Perhaps she should stick to telling Catholics that she knows more about birth than the Pope.”
        Pelosi: Republican Jews ‘Being Exploited’ on Israe
        link to breitbart.com

        New Questions About Sheldon Adelson’s Casino Operations in Macau
        link to propublica.org

  2. Kathleen
    March 4, 2014, 9:33 am

    Pelosi has been and continues to be a racist. Let’s also not forget that Pelosi stated “impeachment is off the table” when it came to Bush, Cheney crimes against humanity. Via this stance she became completely complicit with their war crimes.

    • JeffB
      March 4, 2014, 12:09 pm

      @Kathleen —

      Nancy Pelosi represents one of the most liberal districts in the United States. She is one of the most liberal members of congress. She is the most leftwing person in America’s high leadership.

      If those are her views, then how is it possible that Israel’s demise is “right around the corner”? I don’t understand how BDSers can have this any day now Israel is going to fall attitude and at the same time see who showed for AIPAC vs. who shows up for BDS events. I can understand believing the USA government is wrong but I can’t understand how any of the BDSers can believe they are anywhere near doing anything other than annoying Israel.

      • Philip Weiss
        March 4, 2014, 12:43 pm

        You’re right about her district, JeffB, but our politicians are out of touch with grass roots on this issue

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 1:23 pm

        @Phil —

        What do you mean by grass roots in the above?
        a) Average American’s political beliefs
        b) Average person in Pelosi’s district (i.e. average mainstream to liberal democrat)
        c) Average liberal
        d) Average liberal activist
        e) Average liberal activist X-Jews

      • Kathleen
        March 4, 2014, 3:10 pm

        And what the hell was up with Pelosi not picking up at all the issue of accountability when it came to the Bush administrations lies about WMD’s that hundreds of thousands have died as a result of? No accountability.

        Pelosi was around when we watched a President be held accountable for lying under oath about blow jobs

        But the Bush administrations intelligence snowjob not a drop of accountability.

        Fucked up priorities. The whole world is laughing and millions are crying because of the loss of family members in Iraq. Pelosi is totally complicit through her willingness to roll over and not push in anyway for accountability.

      • adele
        March 4, 2014, 1:37 pm

        JeffB doesn’t understand what grassroots is or how it functions. I don’t mean this in a snarky way, it is evident in his reply as well as previous comments where he conflates organized lobbying with a functioning democracy, but never takes into account the role of grassroots organizing.

        e.g.,
        link to mondoweiss.net

        “Yes lobbies are the mechanism by which issue oriented coalitions petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

      • eljay
        March 4, 2014, 12:47 pm

        >> I don’t understand how BDSers can have this any day now Israel is going to fall attitude and at the same time see who showed for AIPAC vs. who shows up for BDS events.

        I don’t understand how Zio-supremacists can claim that Israel is a strong, stable and secure country while at the same time scream and wail that Israel is perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

      • James North
        March 4, 2014, 1:12 pm

        JeffB: For a guy who says he is not worried at all about BDS and Israel’s future, you are certainly all over Mondoweiss today. Commenting here looks like it has become a full-time job for you.
        Again, why are you so ever-present here? I think the earth is round, but I don’t visit the folks over at flatearthsociety.com to straighten them out.
        By no means am I encouraging you to leave. I think you are one of the most honest pro-Israel commentators we have ever had here, basing your arguments on the Biblical Book of Nietzsche, (which I must have somehow skipped over myself). Your straightforward endorsement of might-makes-right is a refreshing contrast to the dishonest, tortured sophistry that most of the people that Hasbara Central sends over try and use.

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 1:12 pm

        @eljay

        I don’t understand how Zio-supremacists can claim that Israel is a strong, stable and secure country while at the same time scream and wail that Israel is perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

        Let’s solve that. Israel is a strong, stable and secure country. It is not on the verge of being wiped off the map and there is no plausible threat to push it into the sea. Though it certainly has many enemies who would love to do that.

      • adele
        March 4, 2014, 1:40 pm

        But the question JeffB is: Will BDS push Israel OVER the edge?

      • eljay
        March 4, 2014, 1:46 pm

        >> Let’s solve that. Israel is … not on the verge of being wiped off the map and there is no plausible threat to push it into the sea.

        You might want to pass that reassuring information along to your less-sanginue Zio-supremacist co-collectivists, for whom an “existential threat” to the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel lurks around every corner every moment of the day.

      • Kathleen
        March 4, 2014, 3:14 pm

        Geez all most people have been saying is that Israel should abide by international law and UN sanctions and sign the NPT you do not have to go all Netanyahu on us. I mean we know this song and dance has worked for decades but the wind is shifting and Israel needs to get with a program or melt into the one state solution being the only viable solution.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 5:28 pm

        “It is not on the verge of being wiped off the map ”

        I give it 20 years. Accumulated ignored risks. It is NOT a stable country.
        Still doesn’t have a constitution or defined borders. Requires US pols to tell it 24/7 that it matters. It’s the bunny boiler of international diplomacy.

      • Sycamores
        March 4, 2014, 9:57 pm

        @JeffB

        stable in what sense?

        Israel is politically unstable link to quandl.com

        even wikipedia has israel on the warning list of fail states link to en.wikipedia.org

        Indicators of a failed state

        12 factors are used by Fund For Peace to ascertain the status of a country.

        Social
        Mounting demographic pressures.
        Massive displacement of refugees, creating severe humanitarian emergencies.
        Widespread vengeance-seeking group grievance.
        Chronic and sustained human flight.

        Economic
        Uneven economic development along group lines.
        Severe economic decline.

        Political
        Criminalization and/or delegitimization of the state.
        Deterioration of public services.
        Suspension or arbitrary application of law; widespread human rights abuses.
        Security apparatus operating as a “state within a state”.
        Rise of factionalized elites.
        Intervention of external political agents.

        does any of these factors apply to israel?

        can a country exist for an indefinite period of time by expansionism without recognised borders and be secure at the same time?

      • talknic
        March 5, 2014, 1:32 am

        JeffB “Israel … It is not on the verge of being wiped off the map and there is no plausible threat to push it into the sea”

        Yes we know.

        ” Though it certainly has many enemies who would love to do that”

        They the same ‘enemies’ who have had a peace proposal on the table for a number of years now? The one that remains un-answered as Israel creates more and more illegal facts on the ground in non-Israeli territories, makes more and more demands that have no legal basis what so ever.

      • Kathleen
        March 4, 2014, 3:02 pm

        Pelosi is the perfect example of the so called “liberal” Dem who is on the far right of all things Israel. A reflection of how twisted the term “liberal” has and continues to be. Someone like Pelosi and many of our so called liberal Reps have supported an apartheid government for decades and someone like you is more than willing to support her racist support of an apartheid state and refer to her as “liberal” That would go for her constituents as well. She is a racist. Flat out no way around it.

        If this were any other government besides Israel and the oppression, systematic discrimination was being enforced by any other government besides Israel Pelosi would be squealing….

      • Giles
        March 5, 2014, 8:36 am

        Nobody can grovel like a US politician.

        When will Americans tire of watching our elected leaders grovel before a tiny foreign nation? I am afraid the end of US Zionism will come from a right wing nationalist movement.

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 9:02 am

        @Sycamores

        stable in what sense?
        Israel is politically unstable link to quandl.com
        even wikipedia has israel on the warning list of fail states link to en.wikipedia.org

        Israel came in 67th on the index. As for politically unstable quandl didn’t explain what they meant. They’ve had a parliament since their founding as a state and tremendous continuity of office holders. Their are strong ties between the military and the government which is important for a state with constant high defense expenses.

        can a country exist for an indefinite period of time by expansionism without recognised borders and be secure at the same time?

        I think everyone pretty much recognizes what the likely borders of greater Israel are going to be. Current northern border, Mediterranean sea to the west, Sinai border to the south and Jordan river to the east. The dispute is whether Israel is going to be able to finesse the creation of a Palestinian colony or not inside those borders. The age of expansion is mostly over. There is development going on, but most of the world’s Jews X-USA are settled in Israel now.

      • Donald
        March 5, 2014, 7:53 pm

        “I think everyone pretty much recognizes what the likely borders of greater Israel are going to be. Current northern border, Mediterranean sea to the west, Sinai border to the south and Jordan river to the east. The dispute is whether Israel is going to be able to finesse the creation of a Palestinian colony or not inside those borders. The age of expansion is mostly over. There is development going on, but most of the world’s Jews X-USA are settled in Israel now.”

        Comments like these explain what James North is talking about when he says JeffB is an honest Zionist who bases his arguments on the Book of Nietzsche. There’s nothing resembling a moral argument in most of his posts–it’s just what Israel can get away with. Much of the argument with him about whether Israel can survive or not is beside the point, IMO. The point is that it could survive with continued American help and as long as it has that help with no conditions attached it will continue to treat Palestinians with contempt. And JeffB is fine with this.

      • JeffB
        March 5, 2014, 8:57 pm

        @Donald —

        As a point of fact I have made moral arguments many times for Zionism. It has an excellent moral case based on the equality of all people and self determination

      • Sycamores
        March 6, 2014, 7:14 pm

        hi JeffB,

        thanks for the reply.

        your ability to reinterpreted anything to fit into your the belief system is noted.

    • JeffB
      March 4, 2014, 4:07 pm

      @Kathleen says:

      And what the hell was up with Pelosi not picking up at all the issue of accountability when it came to the Bush administrations lies about WMD’s that hundreds of thousands have died as a result of? No accountability.

      People like Joe Biden and John Kerry were involved as well. There was a systematic attempt to intimidate members of the intelligence services into lying on the record to congress and that was bipartisan. How does she contain the investigation? Just to make it personal, Pelosi knew about and authorized the black sites. Not her idea but she helped fund them and facilitated them.

      Pelosi is totally complicit through her willingness to roll over and not push in anyway for accountability.

      The accountability for her was the 2006 and 2008 election when because moderates were pissed off the Dems picked up lots of reddish purple districts. She got the accountability she cared about.

      Pelosi is the perfect example of the so called “liberal” Dem who is on the far right of all things Israel.

      Who in congress represent the left on all things Israel? There isn’t one. There is a consensus between moderately supportive of Israel and extremely supportive of Israel. The strongest anti-Israeli mainstream politician is Rand Paul not exactly on the left and not very anti-Israeli either.

      A reflection of how twisted the term “liberal” has and continues to be. Someone like Pelosi and many of our so called liberal Reps have supported an apartheid government for decades and someone like you is more than willing to support her racist support of an apartheid state and refer to her as “liberal” That would go for her constituents as well. She is a racist. Flat out no way around it.

      Of course there is a way around it. I don’t think Israel is an apartheid state. I really and truly believe that’s a mischaracterization. I suspect she doesn’t believe that either.

      If this were any other government besides Israel and the oppression, systematic discrimination was being enforced by any other government besides Israel Pelosi would be squealing….

      Note my comment about the black sites above. We know of at least one government she wasn’t squealing when they were kidnapping people all over the world for the purpose of the torturing them.

      Another one is China. Nancy Pelosi like most of the California delegation is pro-China and she’s stood up for China repeatedly.

      Nancy Pelosi has been a big supporter of SCAF in Egypt.

      I think the problem is that the MW crowd tends to not understand how far to the left they really are. Nancy Pelosi represents liberalism but fine its just that MW goes well beyond the liberal left to the radical left.

  3. Betsy
    March 4, 2014, 9:34 am

    our national political ‘leaders’ have gone totally bonkers. Are they in a bubble floating so far from ordinary citizens that they don’t understand how this sounds to us? (but good catch, Phil)

    • Kathleen
      March 4, 2014, 9:40 am

      Pelosi has always been like this about Israel no matter what they do. This is one more example of the so called “liberal” Democrats who have been far far right (wrong) on Israel for decades. She has always gone along with legislation that isolates and undermines Palestinians that the I lobby (Ros Lehtinen, Schumer, Lantos) put forward.

      • gingershot
        March 4, 2014, 10:54 am

        SHAMING Pelosi and American Jews for their support of Apartheid REMOVES the impunity of these sparkling diamonds A-Lister Pro-Apartheid AIPAC-Celebrities

        Imagine Pelosi or Hillary gilding the Apartheid South African lily. UNTENABLE. Let’s take Pelosi and Hillary down to the D-List where they spend the rest of their lives meeting only with the likes of Avigdor Lieberman and Ambassador Oren, and Dennis Ross – like Scarlett SodaStream. Sound like a beautiful enough circle of hell for them? Gd knows we’ve suffered them long enough

        Israel is ALL ABOUT IMPUNITY – that’s Hillary Achille’s Heel. Herman Goering didn’t look too jolly in the Nuremberg dock.

        Imagine (like John Lennon) if Pelosi and Hillary HAD NO IMPUNITY.

        Where Hillary LOSES because she is the ‘Apartheid AIPAC-Candidate’. THAT is EXACTLY what is going to happen

      • Citizen
        March 4, 2014, 12:11 pm

        @ Kathleen
        I don’t think she has any Arabs in her in-law family. How about Jews? And are they Zionists? Seems so.

      • Kathleen
        March 4, 2014, 3:04 pm

        I believe I have read she has a Jewish son in law. But she has voted for racist anti Palestinian legislation for a long time I don’t believe it has anything to do with her son in law

  4. eljay
    March 4, 2014, 9:50 am

    Don’t these politicos ever get tired of licking the boots and/or arses of Zio-supremacist Jews, of fellating the Zio-supremacist donkey, of prostrating themselves before the altar of Zio-supremacist Jewish money and influence? Is there anything they won’t do to ingratiate themselves with Zio-supremacist Jews and the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel?

  5. American
    March 4, 2014, 9:55 am

    BCTTGASO
    Burn Congress to the Ground and Start Over…..please.
    Are we approaching the nothing left to lose yet?
    Faster please I-Firstdom, we need enough more provocation to get us there.

  6. seafoid
    March 4, 2014, 10:04 am

    Better than

    Democracy in India (over 1bn people)
    The end of apartheid in South Africa
    The end of the colonial era ?
    The Marshall Plan ?

    More BS

    • bintbiba
      March 4, 2014, 10:11 am

      Besides, she sure has a manic look about her! The eyes really are scary.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 10:34 am

        Wayn an nour?
        Ma fish

      • MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 11:15 am

        The eyes really are scary (bintbiba)

        Ask Shmuel what he thinks about “scary eyes”.

      • Taxi
        March 4, 2014, 11:36 am

        Botox eyes.

        Bathed in zio eyewash.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 3:14 pm

        Israel more important than the new deal, civil rights, social security, medicare, new york sanitation and universal suffrage?

      • adele
        March 4, 2014, 4:46 pm

        I just googled “greatest 20th century achievements” + “political achievements of the 2oth century,” and lo and behold Israel is nowhere to be found. Granted, the search was done in English so it is Western/U.S.-centric, which may skew the results somewhat. Nonetheless, the miracle that is Israel is not on any of these lists of “greatest achievements”. Only seems to be a “great” achievement at the AIPAC cult convention. Certainly a Palestinian who lost their land, home + livelihood to colonialism would never consider it an amazing accomplishment.

        And to test out the theory, this is the result based on a poll I just took with family members and friends, RE: 20th century political achievements (disclaimer: of course 8 ppl responding has no qualitative value whatsoever but it was fun to do and so here it is):
        Mass Education
        Electricity (it’s not a political achievement but my great aunt insists that this is better than Israel :-)
        Civil Rights for African-Americans
        Immunizations + Infectious Diseases Control (public health domain but impact was profound)
        Victory over Nazism
        Women’s Vote
        Labor Rights

        link to brookings.edu
        link to pollingreport.com
        link to people-press.org

      • RoHa
        March 4, 2014, 7:36 pm

        Another wild-eyed crazy woman. An American version of Julie Bishop.

        Here, in semi-random order, are a few political achievements of the 20th Century that some of us might think are slightly less than totally unimportant.

        Federation. (1 January 1901)
        Russian Revolution and formation of Soviet Union.
        Break-up of same.
        Votes for Women in Britain and Switzerland. (And a few other backward places that hadn’t caught up with 19th Century New Zealand.)
        National Health services in civilized countries.
        Dissolution of British and French Empires.
        Declawing of cats made illegal in civilized countries.
        Chinese revolution from Imperial to PRC.

      • Taxi
        March 5, 2014, 12:15 am

        RoHa,

        “Dissolution of British and French Empires.”

        I don’t believe this has actually fully happened in practice so I wouldn’t include that in your list of mind-blowing political achievements in the 20th century.

        Empire as concept is, unfortunately, still pretty alive and doing very well. In practice, it is living behind many veils – the thickest of which is the veil of democracy. Yes, England and France et all other European countries declare themselves as democracies, but, ehm, only at HOME, whilst all the while, they practice nothing but Empire politics overseas on non-european countries. The vicious destruction and daylight robbery of Libya is a recent and glaring example.

      • Kathleen
        March 4, 2014, 3:06 pm

        She and Michelle Bachman have the same look around the eyes. For Pelosi may be having that skinned stretched too often. Hell that could be the case for Bachman too. But the look is a bit frightening. Sometimes Mitch McConnell falls into their scary eyes corner too.

    • Ecru
      March 4, 2014, 1:05 pm

      Took the words right out of my mouth Seafoid. How the hell she could miss the end of colonialism, the end of South African apartheid, the creation of the EC or India is beyond me.

      But maybe she meant that setting up an ethno-supremacist state only 3 years after the rest of the world ganged up and got rid of the model it was based on, all while the world stood by and did nothing, was a “spectacular political achievement.” Or maybe she meant how the fanatics behind its creation were able to corrupt the world’s most powerful democracy to their ends was the “spectacular political achievement.” Who knows. I mean with that donkey dick in the way I’m not sure even Nutteryahoo could understand what she was saying.

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 1:36 pm

        @Ecru —

        How the hell she could miss the end of colonialism, the end of South African apartheid, the creation of the EC or India is beyond me.

        She was involved in the anti-apartheid movement as the leader of the California Democratic Party at the time and then later as a Congresswomen. She does remember it just fine.

        But what she probably remembers more was her father, Thomas D’Alesandro, Jr. fighting to prevent the refugees from the WWII from dying in Europe while European leaders (particularly the British) and Roosevelt where conspiring to make sure that happened. Unlike you whose so filled with hatred for Jews she’s able to see the good in her father’s work. Nancy Pelosi and all the D’Alesandro family have allied with the Jews.

        Israel was a far bigger victory for her and that’s quite understandable.

      • adele
        March 4, 2014, 1:49 pm

        so JeffB, you agree that helping the oppressed and brutalized is commendable work?

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 2:10 pm

        @adele —

        so JeffB, you agree that helping the oppressed and brutalized is commendable work?

        Yes. And just hit your next likely question I’m in favor or helping the Palestinians. I’m all for working towards realistic actionable solutions that result in them no longer being oppressed and brutalized. I’m not in favor or oppression and brutalization.

        What I am opposed to policies that are harmful to Palestinians while also being harmful to Israelis.

      • Woody Tanaka
        March 4, 2014, 2:32 pm

        “so JeffB, you agree that helping the oppressed and brutalized is commendable work?”

        LMAO. No, he’s a zio; oppression and brutalization is all they desire. It’s their reason for being.

      • Eva Smagacz
        March 4, 2014, 2:43 pm

        so JeffB, you agree that helping the oppressed and brutalized is commendable work?

        Only if those oppressed and brutalized chose their mother carefully enough. The rest of the world, lacking J Positive blood, is fair game.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 2:36 pm

        Israel is as enduring as Lehman Bros, Jeff

      • Ecru
        March 4, 2014, 4:10 pm

        @ Jeff B is for Bigot

        She was involved in the anti-apartheid movement [SNIP] She does remember it just fine.

        And yet here she is championing the Jewish Apartheid State. Methinks her commitment to equality and human rights is dictated by fashion, money and votes not by actual beliefs.

        And now to your more ridiculous charge

        refugees from the WWII from dying in Europe while European leaders (particularly the British) and Roosevelt where conspiring to make sure that happened.

        Oh yes of course that’s why they were fighting the Axis, just so they could murder Jews themselves. You really are a blithering idiot – with no grasp of archaeology (don’t think I’ve forgotten your laughable comments about the Bandkeramic) or history (yep still remember your posted fictions about the Frankish Empire and Africa and now this). Let alone any morality to speak of beyond the type that created those refugees (not all were Jewish btw) you “care” so much about in the first place.

        Unlike you whose so filled with hatred for Jews

        Oh so dull and predictable. YAWN! I loathe Jews like you no problem admitting that – you’re really quite repugnant with your “might is right when Jews are mighty” beliefs and brazen bigotry. And you see here lies the difference between you (Hoppy and the rest) and me and most of the commenters on this site – I hate the Nazis for killing 12 million PEOPLE you only hate them for killing 6 million JEWS. And what’s the betting that sails right over your head.

        the D’Alesandro family have allied with the Jews

        No they’ve allied with Zionists. Pathetic attempt there even compared to all your other pathetic attempts.

      • Ecru
        March 4, 2014, 4:12 pm

        @ Eva Smagacz

        Replied here since the “reply” button seems a bit random these days.

        Only if those oppressed and brutalized chose their mother carefully enough. The rest of the world, lacking J Positive blood, is fair game.

        Nailed him.

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 5:23 pm

        @Eva

        Only if those oppressed and brutalized chose their mother carefully enough. The rest of the world, lacking J Positive blood, is fair game.

        Eva. I’m not a racist. I don’t support the idea that any people’s blood entitles them to land. It is your side that makes the argument that special races have permanent ownership of land.

        I don’t support the oppression of the Palestinians based on race. There are no racial differences between Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians. One group is loyal to the state and one is an enemy and they get treated accordingly based on their actions not their race. Israel welcomed Palestinians to become Israeli Arabs and start a process of assimilation. So they too don’t share your racial obsessions.

      • Ecru
        March 5, 2014, 3:47 am

        @ JeffB

        Ok I’ll bite. What you’re talking about is forced “assimilation” which historically has never worked (I know you’re hazy on history but take my word for it). Not in Ireland, not in Scotland, not with Native Americans not with Australian Aboriginals. And just as an FYI – another name for what you propose is “cultural genocide.”

        However, let’s assume that it does – would you also be in favour of forced assimilation of Jews in the Diaspora? Forced conversions? A ban on infant circumcision? A ban on kosher slaughter? Demolition of all synagogues and “Jewish” centres? Closing of “Jewish” schools? And what of those who refused such a generous offer? The ghetto again? Maybe camps set up specially for them?

        Considering the likelihood of that happening is close to zero (thankfully those nations aren’t based on a xenophobic insanity that would OK such an idea such as Zionism) do try to be honest in your reply.

      • Donald
        March 5, 2014, 8:11 pm

        “I don’t support the oppression of the Palestinians based on race. There are no racial differences between Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians. One group is loyal to the state and one is an enemy and they get treated accordingly based on their actions not their race. Israel welcomed Palestinians to become Israeli Arabs and start a process of assimilation. So they too don’t share your racial obsessions.”

        Upthread JeffB talks about Israel’s borders stretching from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, with maybe a Palestinian colony established inside, and here he talks about assimilation. So logically, if he’s not a racist, he would have to be for a 1ss with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians and a Palestinian right of return.

        Anyway, this guy is becoming the new Mondoweiss troll. Too much time spent replying to his nonsense.

      • JeffB
        March 6, 2014, 11:02 am

        @Donald

        So logically, if he’s not a racist, he would have to be for a 1ss with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians and a Palestinian right of return.

        I’m perfectly OK with a one state solution. Israelis of Palestinian descent living in Israel with full equal rights would be ideal. But note I said Israelis there, that is a key qualifier. They would have to agree to the Israeli government as their sovereign, to join the Israeli nation and to work for rather than against the interests of the state of Israel.

        As for right of return. I don’t believe immigrant status is passed on generation after generation generation. I have no right of return to Odessa even though I’m only 3 generation American. Ethnic Palestinians born in Iraq are Iraqi. Ethnic Palestinians born in Syria are Syrians.

  7. gingershot
    March 4, 2014, 10:09 am

    Nancy Pelosi is apparaently done with her politcial career – besides Hillary, she is probably the last CLUELESS person standing that will go down desperately throwing her body over the Anti-Apartheid train barreling down the tracks towards Hillary Clinton.

    Pelosis and Hillary are the EXAMPLES of what happens to someone supporting Apartheid Israel today. Could Pelosi make this same speech after Sept 2014 when tens of millions (OK, me and my friends) start BDSing Israel? HELL NO

    Pelosi just stuck herself to Hillary and AIPAC and Apartheid. That used to be her job security and now it is career-ending. In about 15 minutes

    Hillary Clinton is riding her Comatose AIPAC-Horse, and she CAN”T GET OFF THE TRACKS

    Hillary and Pelosi are FIXED IN PLACE – they CANNOT get away from this Apartheid-AIPAC HOT MESS.

    FIXED IN PLACE – just like Pelosi and ALL of ‘Apartheid Supporting American-Jewry and Politicians’

    We have caught Hillary, Pelosi and every other Machivellian Fool STILL supporting Apartheid. The light is ON and the cockroaches ARE OUT IN THE OPEN.

    Pelosi, American Jews, Hillary – THEY ARE ALL AS COMPLICIT as the German Citizens. THAT IS UNTENABLE but Pelosi and Hillary – still SHILLING for the Apartheid nd supported by AIPAC (Apartheid).

    The only thing toxic for AIPAC’s Girl Hillary is she IS AIPACs’ Girl. PERFECT!

    Pelosi and Hillary HAVE NO IMMUNITY LEFT and they DON”T KNOW IT. Every speech desperately trying to STOP the momentum of the train just IMPLICATES Pelosi or Hillary FURTHER. Every breath supporting Israel now is OUT IN THE OPEN SUPPORT FOR APARTHEID

    Let’s take the fight TO THESE GUYS until everyone of them can’t try to tear them away from the Apartheid Apocalypse FAST ENOUGH. Any one who tries to STOP the current ongoing rout of Apartheid-AIPAC just makes them more COMPLICIT until they ALL PANIC.

    We WANT panicked Apartheid – AND a panicked Pelosi AND a panicked Hillary – and a panicked American Jewish population CAUGHT OUT (as they are) still supporting Apartheid in any way (like Dershowitz, Oren, etc) because it is the only way to be successful against these EXPERTS

    • gingershot
      March 4, 2014, 10:40 am

      Any body who doesn’t see how PANICKED Apartheid and AIPAC is is NOT reading Israel papers and is NOT watching Bill Kristol tear AIPAC apart.

      Imagine Hillary watching her horse passing an endless amount of gas (Kristol on FOX) and knowing something is dreadfully wrong. Like her horse still died. But she can’t get off. Tarbaby. Bummer. Train Coming. TRAIN COMING. *{{{{CONTROL FREAK-PANIC}}}}*

      AIPAC is still standing – but it’s dead on the tracks – and Bill Kristol is trying to whip this dead horse up for one last banzai charge, ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade against the Anti-Apartheid Train’.

      Hillary is is the AIPAC Jockey and Bill Kristol is screaming at his girl (his first choice for the job – Sarah – had a problem getting out of the gates) to beat the horse some more (as Obama makes sure AIPAC (and Hillary) is in a fast tight toilet circle with Hagel, Syria, the Iran Deal) and get it MOVING

      C’mon Hillary, GIDDIUP – CHARGE! Straight into the maw of Hell

  8. Mndwss
    March 4, 2014, 10:27 am

    “You’re like family coming home.”

    So she knows that he does not belong in the middle east?

  9. marc b.
    March 4, 2014, 10:28 am

    It is my honor to join our distinguished Speaker, in absentia, and the Republican Leader Mr. Cantor in welcoming you to the United States Capitol once again.

    BTW, what ever came of the apparent connection between Cantor and Rabbi Pinto and questionable campaign financing schemes?

  10. seafoid
    March 4, 2014, 10:36 am

    AIPAC effectively means “bought”
    Whenever you see someone like Pelosi with AIPAC written prominently underneath you should just think “bought”

    • JeffB
      March 4, 2014, 12:11 pm

      @Seafold —

      Nancy Pelosi married rich. She comes from multiple generational political family. What did they buy her with?

      How about: she agrees with AIPAC because she thinks they are right on the issues.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 2:31 pm

        They told her if she didn’t bend over they’d get a GOP candidate in, Jeff. Do you think I was born yesterday ?

        Carly Fiorini was rich too but she never made it in politics.

      • JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 2:40 pm

        @Seafold

        She wins her district 85/15. She could get found in bed with a dead hooker and a live boy with a the freezer full of cash and she still wins her election in that district easily.

      • James North
        March 4, 2014, 3:00 pm

        JeffB: You are hiding from me above. I’ll repost my comment, in case you missed it while you were furiously making your half dozen other comments.

        JeffB: For a guy who says he is not worried at all about BDS and Israel’s future, you are certainly all over Mondoweiss today. Commenting here looks like it has become a full-time job for you.
        Again, why are you so ever-present here? I think the earth is round, but I don’t visit the folks over at flatearthsociety.com to straighten them out.
        By no means am I encouraging you to leave. I think you are one of the most honest pro-Israel commentators we have ever had here, basing your arguments on the Biblical Book of Nietzsche, (which I must have somehow skipped over myself). Your straightforward endorsement of might-makes-right is a refreshing contrast to the dishonest, tortured sophistry that most of the people that Hasbara Central sends over try and use.

  11. W.Jones
    March 4, 2014, 11:00 am

    That is a pretty strong expression.
    About her politics on the Middle East:
    link to interfaithfamily.com

  12. caseroole
    March 4, 2014, 11:04 am

    “Israel has been leading the way – the intellectual resources, the entrepreneurship, the scientific knowledge and research and development has really led the world”

    Refreshing modesty from an American leading politician after all the “We’re number one!”.

    • seafoid
      March 4, 2014, 5:09 pm

      “the intellectual resources, the entrepreneurship, the scientific knowledge and research and development has really led the world”

      Straight into climate change. Thanks, Israel.

      • gingershot
        March 4, 2014, 6:35 pm

        The opportunities lost at the feet of this drama queen are incalculable, except the dead at her feet. Plenty to count there

  13. David Doppler
    March 4, 2014, 11:11 am

    Pandering at a new level: “I may represent the Bay Area, but I humbly defer to the true masters of innovation.” This exchange says a lot about the power relationships Israel’s leaders seek and revel in, the detachment from reality they entail (and what it takes to hold a leadership position in Congress). I’m reminded of Alexander the Great, and the point at which it became common for the masses to prostrate themselves in his public presence, something the young Turks did willingly, but his old guard fellow Greeks and Macedonians who’d known him since youth found offensive. America = checks and balances to protect the people from unbridled power, the need to prostrate oneself in front of anyone.

  14. MahaneYehude1
    March 4, 2014, 11:17 am

    @Weiss;

    ‘the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century.

    I glad most of the Americans don’t think like you, Mr. Weiss. Maybe they see the reality fairly than you see it.

    • Ecru
      March 4, 2014, 1:08 pm

      Or maybe they’ve a less narcissistic view of history than you there MY1.

      • MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 1:36 pm

        @Ecru:

        Or maybe they haven’t dancing shoes to dance in cemeteries.

      • Ecru
        March 4, 2014, 3:50 pm

        @ MY1

        Bit of a random comment there MY1. I know you’re referring to my earlier comment about dancing on rapists graves (hey it’s better than what I’d do at Thatcher’s which would first involve installing a urinal) but it bears no relation to this comment thread. Do try to keep up.

        But anyway, obviously if that’s their excuse they can’t dance in the first place. I mean dancing shoes are preferable but anyone who can dance knows they’re not actually needed.

      • marc b.
        March 4, 2014, 2:31 pm

        @ecru: everything has to be described in the superlative, otherwise even compliments are considered an insult.

        @MY1: there is no ‘fairness’ and ‘reality’ in such a ranking system, which is all about psychology and nothing about history; and there is no single ‘most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century’. she was working the crowd. geddit?

    • seafoid
      March 4, 2014, 5:08 pm

      “I glad most of the Americans don’t think like you, Mr. Weiss”

      Only 40% of American Jews believe God gave Palestine to the Jewish people. Fancy that !

    • ziusudra
      March 5, 2014, 3:39 am

      Greetings MrhaneYehude1,
      …. the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th C…..

      Yes, it was & always was as seen by the conquest of the americas, australia
      & south Africa.
      But what did they do with that opportunity?
      They went the way of all conquerers before them.
      They proved that they belong to mankind, they acted accordingly.
      Today, they have garbage dumps, unemployment, wars, corruption, etc.
      Had they kept to their desire of freedom from Europe & their survival tactics of their past in Europe which was compromise combined with their Euro. education
      & mentality. They would have made the area a land of milk & honey w/o guns.
      They would lead today w/o fear of annhilation & live with the Falesteeni Semites
      in peace & harmony.
      ziusudra
      PS Today Israel’s Jewry reside on 9k Sq Km, but control 21.0 K Sq Km of contiguous Falesteena. What has it gotten them?
      Live within your puny means.

  15. Hostage
    March 4, 2014, 11:27 am

    The Prime Minister and Governor Brown – and this is very exciting for all of us because this is a brand new invitation that we received – Governor Brown and the Prime Minister will sign a memorandum of understanding between Israel and California to promote cooperation in economic development, research and trade – pretty exciting.

    I guess they forgot that Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution stipulates that:

    No state shall enter into any treaty, . . .

    link to law.cornell.edu

  16. Henry Norr
    March 4, 2014, 11:39 am

    Bay Area folks: come out Wednesday morning to give Netanyahu a different kind of welcome to California. We’ll be outside the site of his meeting with Jerry Brown – the Computer History Museum, 1401 N. Shoreline Boulevard, in Mountain View – all morning, starting at 7 a.m. Bring appropriate signs!

    Here’s the press release some folks in the South Bay have put out:

    Silicon Valley: Don’t support Israeli Occupation of Palestine
    Gov. Brown: Don’t Partner With Israeli Occupation of Palestine

    Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, will be touring Silicon Valley on Wednesday, March 5. He will be meeting with CA Governor Brown to sign a historic agreement that expands Califorina’s partnership with Israel on economic development, research, and trade. The emphasis will be on water conservation, alternative energy, cyber security, health and biotechnology, education, and agriculture technology.

    The agreement will also enable Israeli companies to access California’s Innovation HUB (iHUB), an innovation network that includes 16 clusters of research parks, technology incubators, universities and federal laboratories, together with economic development organizations, business groups, and venture capitalist funds.

    As we know, many American high tech firms are already strengthening the Occupation of Palestine through this partnership and cooperation. Join us as we tell Governor Brown and Silicon Valley, NOT to partner with Israeli occupation. Don’t use Silicon Valley worker’s brain power and technical skills to strengthen the oppression of the Palestinian people. Join us!

    Protest Israeli Prime Minister’s visit to Silicon Valley
    WHEN: Wednesday, March 5
    WHERE: Computer History Museum, 1401 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mt. View
    TIME: starting at 7:00am, continuing until noon-ish
    (Media has been instructed to RSVP in advance to be credentialed, and to arrive no later than 7:30am)

    Directions: From any freeway, head to Hwy 101 toward Mt. View. Take the N. Shoreline Blvd. exit, North. Computer History Museum (CHM) will be immediately on the Right. To park, take the first Left onto “Movies” Rd. Take the first Left into the Gold’s Gym parking lot facing Shoreline Blvd. (across the street from the CHM). Parking also available in the Cinema 16 parking lot next to Gold’s Gym parking.

    Messaging: We will be drawing attention to Gov. Brown and Silicon Valley High Tech firms who are aiding Israel in the Occupation of Palestine and oppression of the Palestinian people. Bring signs that will draw attention to this:
    “Silicon Valley: Don’t Support Israeli Occupation of Palestine”
    “Gov. Brown: Don’t Partner with Israeli Occupation of Palestine”
    :

  17. RudyM
    March 4, 2014, 11:41 am

    At an AIPAC members’ luncheon in San Francisco right after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Pelosi was speaking when an alarm sounded.

    “Everybody started getting nervous, scrambling toward the door,” Lauter recalls. One person, though, was reading the words of Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem, above the din. It was Pelosi.

    “It actually calmed the crowd. You could see people smiling, saying ‘Wow.’ This wasn’t something done purposefully to show everyone that Nancy Pelosi supports the Jewish community. It actually came from inside her.”

    link to jweekly.com

    How appropriate?

  18. kalithea
    March 4, 2014, 12:24 pm

    And in doing so, she gets lots of campaign funds and another term.

  19. Kathleen
    March 4, 2014, 3:28 pm

    Pelosi makes one excuse after the next for not holding the Bush administration accountable for lying the U.S. into an unnecessary war…link to democracynow.org

    OY BEHAR: You’ve ruled against impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney, and now Kucinich is trying to pass that. Why do you insist on not impeaching these people, so that the world and America can really see the crimes that they’ve committed?

    REP. NANCY PELOSI: Well, I think that it — I think it was important, when I became Speaker — and it’s, by the way, a very important position — President, Vice President, Speaker of the House — I saw it as my responsibility to try to bring a much divided country together to the extent that we could. I thought that impeachment would be divisive for the country.

    In terms of what we wanted — set out to do, we wanted to raise the minimum wage, give the biggest increase in veterans benefits to veterans in the seventy-seven-year history, then pass research for stem cell research, all of that. This week, we’re going to pass equal pay for equal work. It has been a long time in coming — pay equity. We’re going to pass legislations for product safety, for toys that children put in their — there’s an agenda that you have to get done. You have to try to do it in a bipartisan way. The President has to sign it”

    “REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, now that I’ve heard that the Speaker is looking for evidence that crimes may have been committed, I certainly want to direct her attention to the thirty-five articles of impeachment that I presented, which assert quite directly that crimes have been committed, including taking this nation into a war, an illegal war, based on lies; including the deaths of over a million innocent Iraqis, which constitute a war crime; including wiretapping, rendition, torture, illegal detention. There are many examples of laws that have been broken.

    And the reason why the Judiciary Committee should hold a hearing on the impeachment itself is because there needs to be a public airing of this. So, I have a great deal of respect for Speaker Pelosi, and I think that since she made that statement on The View, there’s an opportunity now for us to come forward and to lay all the facts out so that she can reconsider her decision not to permit the Judiciary Committee to proceed with a full impeachment hearing.

    I just want to state this, that I appreciate that she consented to a hearing on Friday. It was a six-hour hearing, over a dozen witnesses. Twenty-four members of Congress attended. It’s being taken seriously.

    I think the idea that nothing can be done right now because we’re on the eve of an election raises questions about our constitutional responsibility to be a check and balance to administration abuse of power. If in fact we’re in a war that’s based on lies, and we have thousands of troops whose lives are on the line every day, we owe it to them and we owe it to the American people to set straight the public record. And then, whether or not it results in the President being removed from office before the end of his term is another matter.

    I want to further say that with the possibility of a war in Iran in the offing, a war against Iran, a war that would be a result of a pre-emptive attack, much like the one that the United States launched against Iraq, it becomes very important that we hold this administration to the highest standard of having to verify the statements they make to take us into one war and to try to take us into another. “

    • gingershot
      March 4, 2014, 6:40 pm

      ‘I thought that impeachment would be divisive for the country’ – yeah, exactly right – it would have DIVIDED us from the Neocons, and you put an end to that, just like you were paid to do.

      You are one of THEM, Nancy – the Israeli Lobby

  20. just
    March 4, 2014, 5:40 pm

    Grandma Pelosi gets it wrong again! Her gushing should be over this ‘ most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century’:

    How you and your fellow Congress critters and our government have gone from bad to worse…not in the least because of your adoration of/devotion to/dependence on the State of Israel and lack of focus on your own constituents, the rule of international law, and dedication to peaceful & creative solutions to problems– both domestic and foreign!

    Who’d woulda thunk it?

    • seafoid
      March 4, 2014, 6:15 pm

      The Seventh Day adventists could ethnically cleanse Panama and get billions in reparations and create a bunker economy while enslaving the neighbours – it would hardly qualify as superior to Medicare.

  21. gingershot
    March 4, 2014, 5:41 pm

    The Cover-up is WORSE than the Crime, Pelosi – you just did your brown-nose to the Apartheid State in … let’s see…. .6 months before Apartheid is condemned at the ICC.

    Were you planning to ditch Israel AFTER it is condemned at the ICC or did you just not think that far ahead or just hang around and try to give a safe place to land for all those not going to South America. (It’s a joke, Pelosi, they/you CAN’T)

    Will you also be advising Hillary 2016 to go down with the ship too, at that point, as she tries to successfully defend Israeli Apartheid, her chances at the presidency and AIPAC/Jewish political control over her, and the Congress, like Bill Kristol is telling her to do?

    Hey this is FUN treating the Israeli Lobby like Obama just treated Bibi – instead of the usual impunity crap Nancy gets away with. Maybe Obama is on to something …’I think you should tell America you want a war, Nancy, Hillary, Romney, Kristol, Andrea Mitchell, David Gregory, Chuck Schumer, McCain, etc etc – it’s a VERY long list that get to be treated like Automatic Crap.

    Like Obama treats Bibi, in other words. Like Crap. Apartheid Crap

    Or will you tell her to save whatever level of political control Political Zionism (that means you and the rest of the Israeli Lobby, Nancy, including of course Hillary, since he is RUNNING as AIPAC’s-TarBaby Girl) still have over America?

    We’re watching you carefully, Nancy – ALL OUT IN THE OPEN- along with all American Jewry (including Diane and Boxer-roof! and Hillary) who ARE ALL OUT IN THE OPEN NOW WITH THE LIGHTS ON – try to decide if you have a shred of decency left- and it’s really really UGLY. Because you don’t… and neither does Hillary.

    I guess that during an 2nd American Revolution to get rid of AIPAC you would be on the side of WANTING and HELPING AIPAC to keep control. Along with Hillary

  22. Woody Tanaka
    March 4, 2014, 5:54 pm

    “Pelosi calls Israel’s creation ‘the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century’”

    What vile, disgusting nonsense. In that century, not only was there a sea change in the value given to human rights, but billions who suffered under colonialism around the world in 1900 were liberated, and this third-rate dimwit ignores those development in favor of a bunch of ethnoreligious bigots being successful in pulling off the theft of someone else’s land??

  23. Mayhem
    March 5, 2014, 8:26 am

    On the other hand the achievements of the rest of the Middle East. Zilch.

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