Alleged K.C. killer: ‘If Jews can have a state of their own, why can’t we have a White Christian state?’

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Frazier Glenn Miller in police custody, April 13, 2014. (Screenshot: KCTV)

Frazier Glenn Miller in police custody, April 13, 2014. (Screenshot: KCTV)

The suspected killer of three people at two suburban Kansas City Jewish Community Centers is Frazier Glenn Miller, a convicted criminal, white nationalist and Holocaust denier with longstanding links to violent right-wing extremist groups.

As so many others are, I am horrified by another senseless act of gun violence in America that targeted people because of who they are. And though there is much to say about a prominent racist like Miller, here is one aspect of his thinking that will doubtlessly be passed over in most media accounts: He advocated the formation of an ethnically-exclusive white state in the Deep South. And like an increasing array of white nationalists — Jared Taylor is perhaps the most notable example — Miller presented the modern state of Israel as his model.

This is from the introduction to Miller’s self-published 1998 autobiography, “A White Man Speaks Out:”

Our Race is barely 8% of the world’s population, and even that figure is dropping fast. And we produce only about two percent of the infants. We buy twice as many caskets as cradles. Great future, huh?
But, on the other hand, look at Israel, where four and a half million Jews are surrounded by a billion Muslims. Armed to the teeth with one of the largest (if not the largest) nuclear arsenals in the world, these Jews dictate their will upon their Muslim neighbors.

There is a big difference, however, between Jew Israel and White America. Jew Israel is racist. They stick together. They fight for their own people. And, more important, they have the will to survive.

Why can’t we be like the Jews?

Why can’t we have the same racial pride, racial unity, and the will to survive as a people?

If the Jews can have a Jewish state of their own, then why can’t we have a White Christian state of our own?

Well, Whitey, whatcha say?

Not surprisingly once the suspected killer was revealed as an anti-Semitic white nationalist, some pro-Israel fanatics seemed gleeful for an opportunity to attack those they resent the most: Muslims, Palestinians & those who advocate for their equality.

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  1. CloakAndDagger
    April 14, 2014, 1:40 pm

    Why can’t we be like the Jews?

    How ironic that the man who goes on a killing rampage on jews does so because he can’t be like the jews (sic)! This is one sick puppy!

    • pabelmont
      April 14, 2014, 2:17 pm

      He wants a white country for white separatists to live in together safe from contamination by horrible, awful “people of color” (not his quotes) and, of course, “Jews”. Wonder where he stands on Catholics. So, for him, killing Jews is not a sign of dissing Israel.

      He and his friends have got a lot of killing to do if they’ll make the entire USA or even a big chunk of it a “white” nation. But if that’s a part of what was cycling around in his mind, then this killing was not entirely “senseless”.

      • Giles
        April 14, 2014, 2:34 pm

        Pabel. It seems he wants what Israel wants and is willing, as is Israel, to kill people to get it.

      • Krauss
        April 14, 2014, 4:44 pm

        Pabel. It seems he wants what Israel wants and is willing, as is Israel, to kill people to get it.

        Exactly. The white supremacists are correct to note that there is a double standard.

        They, like me, want a single standard in the Western world. The difference is that they want it to be acceptable to act like Israel.

        I don’t.

      • atime forpeace
        April 14, 2014, 5:28 pm

        They need a lobby, maybe they can hire aipac.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        April 15, 2014, 7:45 am

        Admiration for Israel is very common among present-day fascists. Some make trips to the West Bank to help out the settlers.

        In Germany there is a group called National Socialists for Israel. Check out their website (in German).

        Ukrainian fascist leaders have been appealing to Israel along the lines of “we are nationalists like you, why can’t we respect one another?”

        Rybak rybaka uvidit izdaleka (a fisherman spots a fisherman from afar).

      • hophmi
        April 14, 2014, 2:34 pm

        He also said that he has “a great deal of respect for Muslim people.”

        Gonna talk about that, Max?

        link to nytimes.com

      • Shingo
        April 14, 2014, 5:01 pm

        Hey Hop,

        Right after you talk about Zander’s Breivik and how he admired Israel and Jews.

      • Ellen
        April 14, 2014, 5:12 pm

        hoppy, nothing this cretin uttered is worth making a story, especially rantings on Shock radio intended just for that — to shock. And claiming “respect for Muslim people” meant that he has no respect. That is why he said it. He has no idea of what Islam is about or who “Muslim people” are. No respect for anyone anywhere. This is who the mush brain is. But he was given a platform on Howard Stern’s show. Why?

        And for that matter his rantings that he wanted a white only state the way the Jews can have a Jewish only state, is also really not worth elaboration or making something of.

        (Missouri seems to have a lot of them — between the burnings of Mosques in Joplin, and that baptist whats- his-name-anti-gay hate monger, MO guns for Missouri clubs, etc, and now this guy.)

        But since you do want to give meaning and weight to the words of these insane people, what do YOU think of Breivick’s great admiration of the Israeli colonial project?

      • Giles
        April 14, 2014, 6:45 pm

        Notice how the article in the NY Times paired his statement that he has respect for the Muslims with his statement that he admires Hitler. As if the two were interchangeable. Classic defamation of the Muslims by the mainstream media. Thanks for the heads up Hophmi

      • Reds
        April 15, 2014, 11:22 am

        Notice the comment about Israel is also missing?

      • talknic
        April 14, 2014, 8:23 pm

        @ hophmi “He also said that he has “a great deal of respect for Muslim people.”

        Gonna talk about that, Max?”

        We should listen to what an insane white murderous supremacist has to say? You listen to nut cases? What’s the point hophmi? Are you disappointed the victims weren’t Jews?

      • DaBakr
        April 14, 2014, 10:03 pm

        max seems pretty willing to except that this inciden proves Israel makes Jews less safe rather then more. However-based on what and how he writes he will never ever understand what the majority of American and Israeli Jews do. That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel. And luckily for Max and his raison d’etre nobody can prove this until Israel is dismantled as the Jewish Nation which isn’t going to happen for a very long time.

      • talknic
        April 15, 2014, 4:20 am

        DaBakr ” incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel”

        Uh? It’s not the number of Jews in the US who commit these acts, it’s a small number of insane people. How does ‘not having Israel’, equate with an increase in the number of insane people?

        They’d be ten times busier? Or ten times nuttier than this nut case had a chance to be? Or suddenly US law enforcement would shrink by something like an amazing 90%? Can you explain?

        ” And luckily for Max and his raison d’etre nobody can prove this until Israel is dismantled as the Jewish Nation which isn’t going to happen for a very long time”

        Can you quote Max’s “raison d’etre” according to Max please…. thx … I’ll wait

        BTW Israel wasn’t declared as the Jewish Nation. It was declared as “the State of Israel”. States belong to all their territory’s legal citizens, regardless of religion, race, heritage, DNA and regardless if they own ‘real estate’ or rent ‘real estate’ or are homeless living under a bridge in their ‘territory’.

        That’s why it’s important to know ones borders and why other folk should know your borders. So important in fact it was International Law by at least 1933

        Which is why Israel’s plea to the Comity of Nations for recognition fulfilled the criteria
        ” the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29,” as required by International Law

        Israel has had its troops in non-Israeli territories for some 66 years. link to wp.me Which is why there are hundreds UNSC resolutions giving Israel hundreds of chances to comply with the binding Laws and UN Charter those resolutions emphasize and reaffirm.

      • Shingo
        April 15, 2014, 4:47 am

        That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.

        Yes do tell DaBakr. What magical powers does Israel bestow that prevents more such attacks taking place 6,739 miles away?

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 8:13 am

        “That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.”

        Nonsense. Israel’s actions are more likely a net cause of these incidents, both those which are taken in solidarity with Israel’s victims in Palestine and those — like these murders and like those murders by Anders Breivik — which are taken in admiration of zionism and/or the racist policies of Israel.

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 10:48 am

        max seems pretty willing to except that this inciden proves Israel makes Jews less safe rather then more.

        That ought to be obvious, but the headline struck me in an entirely different way. We recognize that this guy is completely unhinged because he is willing to kill others to establish a White Christian State. But none of these Zionist buttheads in the Twitterverse have commented on the sanity or morality of the thousands of Jews who have acted out in the very same way over the years in Palestine. Thousands of unhinged Jewish racists there have killed thousands of their neighbors in an effort to create a homogeneous Jewish state. But they don’t question the morality or sanity of that situation for even one moment.

        The ADL audit hadn’t registered any harassment, vandalism or acts of violence against Jews or persons who were thought to be Jews in Kansas for years. See for example the zero totals for 2012 and 2013 in the 2013 audit. link to adl.org You will find similar totals 2011.

        In those very same years, some of these very same Twitter accounts reported that Jews in Israel were the objects of numerous rocket attacks, bus bombings, shootings, and vehicular assaults.

        There weren’t any assaults in the United States in 2013 that required hospitalization, that certainly isn’t the case for any year in Israel. link to adl.org How on Earth can you argue that Israel makes anyone safer?

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 10:59 am

        However-based on what and how he writes he will never ever understand what the majority of American and Israeli Jews do. That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.

        Israel was established by a bunch of armed raving lunatics no different than this fellow. Thousands of them died fighting wars of aggression against their non-Jewish neighbors in order to establish a homogeneous Jewish territory and population. The sad part is that we recognize this person as an evil, racist, murderer, but allow bigots like you to treat the founders of Israel like heroes.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 15, 2014, 9:44 pm

        That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.

        neocons used to say our war against iraq – cheney/bush- was preventing another 9-11. similar trash orwellian bs logic.

      • traintosiberia
        April 14, 2014, 11:21 pm

        Yes ,let’s talk. He loves his children. He loves his mother. He loves his wine. He loves concert. Come back to us when you have stopped loving your children or hating his mother or hating his favorite TV program,or his fairy tale books of kindergarten years.
        The association between two set of behavior is like associating Marshal plan with Dresden bombing or castigating your love of US democracy for your support of Israeli democracy
        BTW do you have the names and religious identities of those killed?

      • LeaNder
        April 15, 2014, 11:10 am

        In Germany there is a group called National Socialists for Israel. Check out their website (in German).

        When it popped up, it was initially in English. Didn’t seem to have much support and ultimately led me to suspect it as some type of (could be privately inspired too) intelligences or misinformation campaign.

        They always use blogs, so you cannot trace back their ip’s. link: nasofi.blogspot.de Seems the last article was written in 2008.

        The context alludes to a Querfront = Third Position context. A right/left unison. With mostly dead links both right and left groups and publishers.

        In any case, I’d advise you to don’t give this any importance, it does not at all suggest that the extreme right over here has elementarily changed. Quite the opposite re-read Max quote above. It could even be an attempt by the Anti-Germans to lure some from the right on the correct path of hawkish pro-Israel support. It could be many, many things. In any case it is absolutely unimportant.

  2. seafoid
    April 14, 2014, 1:43 pm

    It’s like the Republican echo chamber. Or maybe it is.
    No facts, just Fox.

    I’d love to see Podhoretz’s hate crimes definition.
    Once again the deaths of innocent Jews are used to reinforce apartheid.

    • W.Jones
      April 14, 2014, 2:00 pm

      Actually they were Methodists and he was a federal informant (see Veterans Today), but he was a strange dude, so who knows what happened.

      • tree
        April 14, 2014, 4:37 pm

        Two of those killed were Methodists- the doctor and his grandson. The woman was Catholic.

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 8:57 am

        Two of those killed were Methodists- the doctor and his grandson. The woman was Catholic.

        Yes, the comments, like the one made by Nancy Kobrin are completely asinine. The homicide rate for the Kansas City metro area is ranked around 5th in the nation, yet attacks targeting Jews were unheard of. This one was unexpected, and completely unsuccessful:

        I worked in Kansas with #BAE for the army. The antisemitic attack is not surprising. My heartfelt condolences. This is why we have Israel.

        If she would apply that logic to the West Bank of Palestine, she might actually have a point and save some Jewish lives, e.g. See “Assailant in West Bank kills one Israeli, wounds two” link to haaretz.com

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 9:11 am

        “This one was unexpected, and completely unsuccessful:”

        How was he completely unsuccessful? He succeeded in killing three people. Let’s not lose sight of that fact. The attacks were motivated by anti-religious animus and three people died as a result. The fact that these people were not Jews is kind of irrelevant to the larger point that these people are dead.

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 11:32 am

        How was he completely unsuccessful?

        Well for starters, he just murdered three victims that were members of his own so-called “White Christian” constituency. Speaking objectively, in terms of the actual objects of his attack, and subjectively, in terms of his ideology, I’d have to score this outcome as a completely botched or unsuccessful hate crime.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 1:49 pm

        “Well for starters, he just murdered three victims that were members of his own so-called ‘White Christian’ constituency.”

        What does that have to do with anything? It seems to me that he set out to murder some people and he suceeded in that. I don’t think that the nature of what transpired here is in any way altered by the fact that the deceased were of any particular background.

        “Speaking objectively, in terms of the actual objects of his attack, and subjectively, in terms of his ideology, I’d have to score this outcome as a completely botched or unsuccessful hate crime”

        You’re talking as if he’s said that his goal was to kill Jews and that he laments the fact that the people he murdered were non-Jews. I haven’t seen anything to sugget that, and frankly I doubt if he holds white people who don’t hold his kind of racist views in any high regard anyway.

        (And, frankly, I apologize if I’m taking it out on your post, but my reaction to your post may be colored by my reaction to the infuriating comment by Richard Kopf — the federal judge who made waves earlier this month for sexist comments about the dress of female attorney’s — who, disgustingly, quipped in his blog about the “irony” of this man “mowing down Christians,” and even actually stated, after describing the three people murdered, “Thankfully, no Jews were killed or injured.” — as if the religious background of the victims was somehow a silver lining to a mass shooting.)

      • W.Jones
        April 15, 2014, 3:38 pm

        Hostage: LOL.

        It’s an odd story for several reasons.

      • Hostage
        April 16, 2014, 1:45 am

        You’re talking as if he’s said that his goal was to kill Jews

        No kidding, its not as if the news reports haven’t been saying that from the get go, i.e. “Frazier Glenn Cross, 73″, is “someone who has repeatedly expressed hatred for Jewish people. None of the people he is accused of killing were Jewish.” So, I’m pretty confident that this is a failed attempt to murder Jews and a botched hate crime. link to reuters.com
        See also “Suspect in killings at Jewish facilities in Kansas to face hate charges, officials say”, 1 day ago
        link to washingtonpost.com

        The U.S. Attorney for Kansas, Barry Grissom, and the local authorities have been saying this as an anti-semitic hate crime and that it is the bias and belief of the suspect, not the identities of the victims, that determines whether or not federal or state hate-crime laws apply. White Methodists, as opposed to the AME, are not targets of Klan hatred.

      • tree
        April 16, 2014, 5:23 am

        Well for starters, he just murdered three victims that were members of his own so-called “White Christian” constituency.

        Actually, no. Most of these white supremacist nutcases really only consider white Christians who agree with their bigoted viewpoint as “their constituency”. The rest of white Christians they dislike as “weaklings” or “cowards” or “race traitors”. Its similar in a way to the Jewish nutcases who consider Jews who don’t agree with their bigoted viewpoint as “self-haters” or “Judenrat”. According to an article in the Daily Beast, Miller wrote up a “hit list” of those he wished to see dead and how many points he’d give. “White race traitors” and Jews were tied for point score.

        I certainly don’t know what his exact motives were, but if his only motive was to kill Jews its a bit odd that he would attack the JCC parking lot, not on Saturday, when Jewish services would be held, or Monday evening when Passover started, but on Sunday afternoon when there was a citywide talent contest being held there. Maybe he just wanted to hit the Sunday evening news cycle, or maybe he had some warped reason to choose that particular time and place.

        …just pointing out that that particular line of thinking on the perpetrator’s part would have been irrational…

        Sounds like the guy was pretty irrational to begin with. There’s no reason to assume that his line of reasoning would be rational, at least in terms of accepted norms of rationality.

  3. Justpassingby
    April 14, 2014, 1:51 pm

    Wow have these people no shame?
    Jews die in US and they try to connect that to Israel/Palestine? These people are nuts.
    But sure go ahead compare it, compare how many palestinians that are killed vs israelis.
    Go ahead!

    • Giles
      April 14, 2014, 2:33 pm

      Justpassing. None of the murder victims were in fact Jewish — 2 Methodists and a Catholic. Although I don’t fault you for thinking they were given the way the media has covered this.

      • Krauss
        April 14, 2014, 4:38 pm

        I heard it was 2 non-Jews. It was pretty underreported in the media, I wonder why..

      • tree
        April 14, 2014, 5:44 pm

        I’m wondering if in his sick mind he was striking out against “race-mixing”. The day he chose to shoot up the JCC parking lot was the day it was hosting auditions for KC Superstar which is open to KC high school students of all faiths, hence the Methodist grandfather and his son got caught in the line of fire. Same with the Catholic woman who was visiting her mother in the assisted living home.

      • LeaNder
        April 15, 2014, 8:58 am

        I’m wondering if in his sick mind he was striking out against “race-mixing”.

        tree, the moment I read that none of the victims was in fact Jewish something along these lines went through my head too. Fact is he choose Jewish institutions. But yes, I guess not only what Max wrote above but also the SPLC profile he links to suggest a possible obsession with “race-mixing” too.

        But the context reminded me of texts from the late 19th century on by the extreme German right. They often defined their enemy as: “the Jews and their fiends” for similar reasons.

        Strictly it is completely unimportant, if the victims were Jewish or not. He simply couldn’t tell. Obviously he choose them quite arbitrarily. Even if he knew, there was a planned mixed event in the community center that day, there was nothing comparable in his next choice of the Jewish retirement home. Or are these two institutions related?

        Looks like a rather spontaneously decided event, maybe in an effort to deal with personal frustrations, but one nevertheless as far as his choice of locations are concerned meditated about much longer.

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 11:43 am

        But yes, I guess not only what Max wrote above but also the SPLC profile he links to suggest a possible obsession with “race-mixing” too

        Two of the victims were only there for a talent competition. If that’s “race mixing”, then so was Hitler’s Summer Olympics.

      • LeaNder
        April 15, 2014, 12:04 pm

        Two of the victims were only there for a talent competition. If that’s “race mixing”, then so was Hitler’s Summer Olympics.

        That seems to be the context that tree was referring to. Do you basically accept that my own personal trains of association cannot always be in line with how you expect me to respond to matters? I am firmly on your side concerning the suggested draw with Dan, by the way. And if may, appreciated your reminders of Greg Palast, who was one of my main sources at the time.

        But strictly there is something odd and confusing going on here on the Max comment thread. A kingdom, or horse if you like, for being able to look into this with the appropriate tools, ideally with an IT crack next to me.

        The day he chose to shoot up the JCC parking lot was the day it was hosting auditions for KC Superstar which is open to KC high school students of all faiths, hence the Methodist grandfather and his son got caught in the line of fire.

        My response first alludes to reading experience, a literary association, which I cannot help came to mind reading tree’s comment, and second to my purely hypothetical assumptions about the specific event. I doubt this guy was aware of the event.

        But neither tree or me would know if he was. Strictly he could have been aware of the event. And had he been, then whoever he hit, maybe wouldn’t have mattered to him, as tree indirectly wondered. And strictly given my reading experience on the German right and their history up to and during WWII, I would agree. That’s a core of their mindset. I was fully aware this does not tell us anything about the event here. But basically we are only struggling with its political usage anyway.

        Get it?

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 11:28 pm

        Get it?

        Oh yeah, certainly. I wasn’t disagreeing with your assumptions, just pointing out that that particular line of thinking on the perpetrator’s part would have been irrational and would have made Hitler himself a perfectly valid target.

  4. eljay
    April 14, 2014, 1:59 pm

    I condemn Frazier Glenn Miller’s killing of Jewish Americans. He must be held accountable for his crime.

    >> If the Jews can have a Jewish state of their own, then why can’t we have a White Christian state of our own?

    A “Jewish State” is a supremacist construct. A “White Christian State” is a supremacist construct. No group is entitled to have a supremacist state, and no state has a right to exist as a supremacist state. That’s why.

    It’s interesting – but not surprising – to see Mr. Miller taking the Zio-supremacist approach of using injustices committed by others to justify injustices committed by him or his co-collectivists. That approach is not valid for Zio-supremacists and it’s not valid for white supremacists, either.

    • eljay
      April 14, 2014, 5:43 pm

      Correction (based on more-recent information):
      >> I condemn Frazier Glenn Miller’s killing of Jewish Americans.

      Not that it makes either his actual crime or his intended crime any less heinous. He must be held to account.

    • ritzl
      April 14, 2014, 6:16 pm

      I just refereed a soccer game this weekend where one of the dads was loudly berating a girl (U14) on the other team as she was lying on the ground crying with what could have been a broken arm. I hadn’t ever seen that in person.

      Somehow these sicko tweeters remind me of that dad. And the shooter too.

      Sick is sick is sick.

      Oh well. Such is Israel’s message to the world, its citizens, its supporters, and its emulators.

      Sorry eljay, meant this for downthread. Great comment, btw.

      • eljay
        April 14, 2014, 9:19 pm

        >> Sorry eljay, meant this for downthread. Great comment, btw.

        No worries. And thanks. :-)

  5. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    April 14, 2014, 2:22 pm

    This kind of reminds me of the immediate aftermath of the Utoya Island massacre. Certain types of people were waiting with baited breath for the killer to be identified as a Muslim immigrant, and when it turned out he was a white, blonde, Protestant Norwegian, they were deeply disappointed. And yet, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who publicly said that Brehvik acted as he did because he wasn’t ‘allowed’ to criticise Muslims (?) they found a way to blame it all on Muslims anyway.

    Same here. A far-right white Christian goes on a rampage, yet BDS and Palestinians are the problem. FFS.

    • Krauss
      April 14, 2014, 4:39 pm

      Can’t say I have followed his life’s work, to put it mildly, but was he really a Christian? (In a strict religous sense)

    • Nurit Baytch
      April 14, 2014, 6:59 pm

      Did anyone say anything about Palestinians causing this? People have pointed out that the alleged shooter cited Max’s work.

      • puppies
        April 14, 2014, 8:27 pm

        @Baytch – “pointed out”? He writes it himself, and believably, in his own biography: he did it to emulate the manly-military example of the Zionists
        (note that every mention of Jews below applies to Zionists only):

        “But, on the other hand, look at Israel, where four and a half million Jews are surrounded by a billion Muslims. Armed to the teeth with one of the largest (if not the largest) nuclear arsenals in the world, these Jews dictate their will upon their Muslim neighbors.
        There is a big difference, however, between Jew Israel and White America. Jew Israel is racist. They stick together. They fight for their own people. And, more important, they have the will to survive.
        Why can’t we be like the Jews?
        Why can’t we have the same racial pride, racial unity, and the will to survive as a people?
        If the Jews can have a Jewish state of their own, then why can’t we have a White Christian state of our own?”

        I mean, he writes it black on white and incredibly clear. None of the above is by Blumenthal.

      • talknic
        April 14, 2014, 8:40 pm

        @ Nurit Baytch “Did anyone say anything about Palestinians causing this?”

        Not directly that I can see from the small sample I read. Indirectly, yes!

        rani urabi mustafa @ranimustafa

        @docnatecohen, I hope i’m wrong but I’ll bet this is #bds inspired-justified violence; BDS is inciting hatred thru distorting facts. #Kansas

        Josh Block @JoshBlockDC

        Will @CAIRNational condemn #HAMAS #Hezbollah 4 their acts of murder & terrorism against Jewish community in #Israel?

        Rabbi Steven Burg @stevenburg

        To understand Israel’s situation picture this KC neoNazi murderer being released w/in a few yrs just to get Palestinians to come 2 the table

        “People have pointed out that the alleged shooter cited Max’s work”

        Certain hate mongers have indeed. So what? We should take notice of what insane hate mongers say about an insane killer?

        Already the report that 3 Jews were killed is a result of idiots leaping off the starting block before there was any water in the pool. You and the Pamela Gellers of the world seem keen to join them.

      • Nurit Baytch
        April 14, 2014, 10:48 pm

        My associating me with Pamela Geller, are you implying I’m an Islamophobe?

      • talknic
        April 15, 2014, 4:31 am

        Nurit Baytch s “.. associating me with Pamela Geller, are you implying I’m an Islamophobe?”

        Not at all. Pool/no water …. not hard to figure..

        Now YOU’ve mentioned it ….. She’s an Islamophobe?! WOW! Who’d have known.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 8:22 am

        “My associating me with Pamela Geller, are you implying I’m an Islamophobe?”

        Do you denounce Pamela Geller’s Islamophobia whenever you have the opportunity?

      • seafoid
        April 15, 2014, 10:16 am

        Is Nurit Baytch not a comedy name? I thought it must have come from the same stable as Ms Cupid Stunt. I thought maybe Nurit had some street meaning I was unaware of.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 8:21 am

        “Did anyone say anything about Palestinians causing this? People have pointed out that the alleged shooter cited Max’s work.”

        Yes, they have, as talknic notes. But smearing Max by association is a low cowardly act. The fact that this person cited Max’s reporting is insane, because the thing that the shooter cited were the facts which Max uncovered. It’s therefore stupid and lazy for someone to criticize the reporter. If someone had admired Richard Nixon, been inspired by the Watergate crimes to commit other crimes, and cited to the reporting of them, it would be stupid and lazy for someone to criticize Woodward and Bernstein or somehow blame them, simply because they were the ones who reported the facts which inspired the later crimes. Same here.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 15, 2014, 8:53 am

        woody, nurit is alluding there’s some mental compatibility between the murderer and max. it’s a tactic in the hasbara point scoring manual. she might have a point if max had affiliated with him in some way, the way gellar embraced that mass murderer and engaged with him, published him on her site. but there is no such engagement with max and white supremacy. nurit’s obsessed w/max. now she’s stalking max on her twitter feed.

        will nurit using her precious blog space to obsess over geller’s racism? don’t hold your breath.

      • Woody Tanaka
        April 15, 2014, 9:04 am

        Yes, annie, that was basically my point. It’s insane to link Max with Miller simply because Miller read Max’s reporting. It’s a low, cowardly act.

      • LeaNder
        April 15, 2014, 8:40 am

        People have pointed out that the alleged shooter cited Max’s work.

        If you refer vaguely to “people” that have pointed that out, why don’t you tell us who they are? As it stands, it seems you digged that up yourself, and are now trying to sell the same rumor here only slightly more vaguely. Thus making it possible to more directly associate it with events.

        Nurit Baytch ‏@NuritBaytch 7 Std.

        @AxonRad @RaniaKhalek @MaxBlumenthal No. Here is alleged shooter citing Max’s RT interview w/ lie as explained before link to vnnforum.com

        And all you have found so far to support your claim that Miller cited Max, is, Miller linking to an article by Ron Paul mentioning Max in that context? An article from Jan 2012, that isn’t even available anymore? And strictly only refers to Max via Ron Paul?

        I would assume, your masters expect more of you. More solid evidence, or at least they would appreciate that. Or doesn’t it matter, since its ultimately only about spreading rumors?

      • Annie Robbins
        April 15, 2014, 9:03 am

        here’s what i find amusing leander, in the embed the murder said (“Jew”)max exposes and explains this attempt by a foreign government Israel, to buy the presidential election for the neo-con, war-mongering republican establishment.…but those standards everyone who reported on adelson’s recent las vegas fiasco, and many did, could have been dragged into the conversation.

      • LeaNder
        April 15, 2014, 10:43 am

        Annie, first: yes, labeling Max: “Jew journalist Max Blumenthal” is classic antisemitic language. It has to be grammatically incorrect to keep the “zero plural Jew” (noun), instead of Jewish journalist (adjective). From a racist point of view they are all the same, and want their words to mirror their ideology.

        More importantly to these people it doesn’t matter if there is another “Jew”, like Max Blumenthal, or not. These guys easily find “Jew authors” and/or “the Jewish evidence” to prove their point, pretty similar action to what Nurit is doing, really.

        Nevertheless it is politically convenient to put him into this context as “mental influence”, suggesting a causal relation between what Max wrote and the event. That’s deliberately mud-slinging and some of it will no doubt stick.

        second: the Adelson issue. That’s more complicated for me, really. Or, I am struggling much more in this context. I just deleted some top of my head responses, some type of a, b, c, … brainstorming in this context. It touches a core field of interest to me, which I would describe thus: fiction creating reality for the herd. Thus vaguely related what is happening here, or Nurit’s activities.

        But may I try something more concrete instead? The ideal outcome from my perspective would be if another candidate Adelson chooses, would loose at the vote boxes. Next election might be interesting. Considering both his ultimate choice and looking into the context of his chosen advisors and policy aims. I am sure he tries to get the right one this time, so he hasn’t to shift horses in mid-race in mid-race. ;)

        This is a very odd comment section. I haven’t managed one single time to reach a specific comment via the recent comment bar on the right. It immediately shifts to somewhere else. But take care Annie.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 15, 2014, 10:01 pm

        I haven’t managed one single time to reach a specific comment via the recent comment bar on the right. It immediately shifts to somewhere else.

        i have nooo idea how that works. i agree, those urls to comments don’t seem to be working out very well.

        another thing, i think some people (nurit and her colleagues) are jst itching to get the same milage out of this as we got against geller&co. but the circumstances are different and it’s not going to work. hence, they are pretending that is not the case. reeks of desperation.

      • Hostage
        April 15, 2014, 11:37 pm

        I haven’t managed one single time to reach a specific comment via the recent comment bar on the right. It immediately shifts to somewhere else.

        I prefer Firefox, but Mondoweiss is forcing me to resort to Google Chrome in order to get things like that to work.

      • LeaNder
        April 16, 2014, 8:28 am

        Annie, since it is only happening here with this specific comment thread, I admittedly wonder if it would be at least theoretically possible to target only this thread. I simply mentioned it, since I wonder if I am the only one it happens to. Odd it only happens here. But would that be possible at all least theoretically? I have never noticed this odd phenomenon before. You cannot reach a specific comment, clicking on the comment link takes you there, but then you are immediately redirected to another arbitrary spot in the comment section. It isn’t a problem with Firefox, since it also happens with IE, and there too only with comment links in this thread.

        A little gossip: Baytch. by the way uses an image of Emmy Noether. Her expertise or activities, at least looking at the links that Google brings to the top now, seems to be defense of Jewish American Meritocracy. … Reminds me of an earlier lady from the camp with the following constant refrain: pro-Israel, meritocrats, people that matter and that are successful; the pro-Palestine camp, or defenders of Palestinian rights, losers.

        Speaking of prejudices, that’s where I would put the shooter. But it is not really that easy for the complete camp, at least over here. And I don’t think it’s very, very different in the States.

        HostageI prefer Firefox too, and mainly use it in spite of some troubles. But what I am trying to describe happens for me only on this thread, not on any other. And that is what feels odd.

        But yes, I had troubles with Firefox too. For instance with one of your links yesterday. This one: A/HRC/22/63. Seemingly a word.doc instead of a pdf.file. Doesn’t load or needs an enormously long time to load, which does not change if you modify security settings. With IE it immediately loads.

        But strictly, yes, I have other troubles with Firefox too again lately. Like the close down routine seems to hang occasionally in both Firefox and Thunderbird and you cannot start it again after you closed it without doing a complete new system start. (I should look into this …)

        But generally Firefox seems to be much more comfortable with the new software than with Phil’s early blog. ;)

  6. Kathleen
    April 14, 2014, 3:24 pm

    This is a horrible tragedy. Prayers for these souls and their families. Then the killer uses racism to excuse racism.

    How insane that these twitter folks are trying to blame MB who is committed to writing about the facts on the ground for this fiend’s horrific actions. So fucking opportunistic and creepy

    • seafoid
      April 14, 2014, 3:39 pm

      Kathleen

      After RFK was assassinated, American gun ownership was in the spotlight. THAT is an intractable issue.

      I can’t imagine what the families of the people killed are going through. RIP.

  7. winifred
    April 14, 2014, 3:33 pm

    NYT: two methodists and one catholic. Jews were pass overed?

  8. oldgeezer
    April 14, 2014, 3:35 pm

    My condolences to the families. It is truly despicable to try to score political points with this tragedy. I suspect this sick individual’s issues go back a long long way.

  9. seafoid
    April 14, 2014, 3:55 pm

    The notion of a whites only state is nuts in the 21st century. As is the notion of Greater Israel. WTF.

    I note that the SPLC classes Geller along with other hatemongers such as Klansmen and anti-Semites . Very exalted company.

    Bringing Duke in to slur Blumenthal is pathetic, Hoph.

    • Ellen
      April 14, 2014, 5:33 pm

      seafoid, remember Hoph is the same guy that finds it A-OK and really nothing wrong with Israeli students reenacting the lynching and murder of a black man.

      link to mondoweiss.net

  10. Shingo
    April 14, 2014, 5:09 pm

    I wonder if Fox News will call him a terrorist even though he’s not a Muslum.

    • just
      April 14, 2014, 9:22 pm

      Nope, they won’t.

      THe GWOT is the single stupidest ‘war’ the US has fought since the ‘war on drugs’.

      We’ve never been very good at introspection or truth or honesty.

  11. Shingo
    April 14, 2014, 5:29 pm

    Isn’t amazing how this guy was a Christian, yet these pro Israeli propagandists want to blame the Palestinians?

  12. Woody Tanaka
    April 14, 2014, 6:43 pm

    @hoppy: “You also seem to gloss over the fact that a Jew is six times more likely to be the victim of hate crime in the US than a Muslim is.”

    False. First in absolute numbers, since there are between 2.5 and 4 times as many Jews as Muslims in the US, the number is actually only about 1.9 times. But, second, the FBI reports the number of reports of hate crimes, not the occurrance of all hate crimes themselves. So it may be correct to say that Jews are 1.9 times more likely than Muslims to report a hate crime.

    And if one digs into the reported data, it is clear that a disproportionate number of anti-Jewish crimes reported are 1) destruction/damage/vandalism, 2) simple assaults and 3) intimidation. For example, although, in 2012, there were more reported anti-Muslim crimes than anti-Jewish crimes that were categorized as “Murder and nonnegligent homicide” and “aggravated assault,” there were double the number of reports of anti-Jewish “simple assaults” and “intimidations” and, there were approximately fourteen times as many reports of anti-Jewish vandalism as anti-Muslim vandalism. Indeed, anti-Jewish vandalism accounts for 73% of the total number of anti-Jewish incidents and 72% of the total religion-based vandalism claims.

    So clearly these statistics suggest that of anti-Jewish hate crimes, there is a hightened reporting of lesser offenses against the person and of property offenses, and that the vast majority of these incidents are vandalism.

    Further, when you examine the geographic breakdown, New York City, Suffolk and Nassau County accounted for approximately 1/3 of all anti-religion hate crimes reported in 2012 in the entire nation.

    Indeed, Suffolk County, and its 1.4 million people, reported over twice as many anti-religion hate crimes as Los Angeles, California, with a population of 3.7 million. And NYC is off the charts. LA only reported 25 anti-religion hate crimes in total. But New York, with a little over twice its population, reported over ten times as many — 260 — anti-religion hate crimes.

    Indeed, a perusal of the available statistics suggest that the norm is for the number of anti-race incidents to be at least twice the number of anti-religion incidents in any jurisdiction with any significant number of hate crimes reported and usually more than that. For example, in 2012, DC reported 13 anti-race hate crimes and 6 anti-religion; Seattle reported 47 anti-race hate crimes and 13 anti-religion; Pheonix reported 59 anti-race hate crimes and 8 anti-religion hate crimes; the entire state of Florida reported 77 anti-race hate crimes and 16 anti-religion hate crimes.

    New York City, by contrast, reported 45 anti-race hate crimes and almost six times that number — 260 — anti-religion hate crimes. So, clearly, there is a concerted effort on the part of the people of New York City and Long Island to report incidents of anti-religion hate crimes. (Indeed, New York is clearly the hate-crime capital of America. I wonder why the cops and the DAs haven’t stopped this outbreak?)

    Given all of these statistics, it is false to say that “a Jew is six times more likely to be the victim of hate crime in the US than a Muslim is” and probably fairer to say that per capita, a Muslim is 1.47 to 2.32 times as likely as a Jew to suffer a reported hate-crimes crime against his person, but that a Jew is between 2.7 and 4.3 times as likely to suffer a reported hate-crime property crime.

    Further, it is fair to say that the vast and overwhelming majority of hate crimes reported by Jews are of property damage/vandalism, and that there seems to be a strong effort on the part of New Yorkers and Long Islanders to report anti-religion incidents. (Whether there is a connection between these last two is uncertain, given the limitation on the data, as the state-by-state breakdown does not further breakdown the anti-religion category into the various religions.)

  13. dbroncos
    April 14, 2014, 8:00 pm

    Evening news is reporting that none of those who were killed were Jewish.

  14. talknic
    April 14, 2014, 8:24 pm

    The face of the policeman on the right to the back says it all “WOW! This guy is one sick lil’ puppy!”

  15. just
    April 14, 2014, 9:15 pm

    Another American psycho with a gun.

    ugh.

  16. tokyobk
    April 14, 2014, 9:24 pm

    The vast majority of people who comment at MW are in no way anti-semites. Anti-semitism is both a real thing and also an overused shorthand for “I don’t want to listen and you don’t have a right to say it.”

    Max Blumenthal and Mondoweiss will be vilified by some in the pro-Israel community no matter how many times they condemn anti-Semitism .

    BUT, the same kind argument has been made here by a few posters, the same complaint as this alleged killer, if thinly veiled. That the GD Jews get away with things the white man (as a supposed contrast) can’t. I have no idea why Phil et all don’t just drain the swamp, even just out of strategy since the safer American Jews feel the more the middle, especially young and progressive, will break towards non ethnic justice.

    The brighter the red line between pro human rights that are critical of Israel and Zionism, and calumny of the “eternal” Jew, the better for everyone.

    • RudyM
      April 14, 2014, 11:53 pm

      I don’t think any other ethnic/religious group could have gotten away with establishing and maintaining (and expanding) an ethnic religious state like Israel, in the same time period in which it happened, and gotten by with so little condemnation, particularly amongst liberals. Liberals and progressives have tolerated a fascistic Jewish nationalism in a way that I do not think they would ever tolerate such things from any other ethnic/religious group.

      (I do not envy this and do not want a white state.)

      • seafoid
        April 15, 2014, 11:48 am

        Rudy

        Down to 2 factors IMO

        1. Shoah
        2. Otherness of Palestinians

    • Krauss
      April 15, 2014, 12:50 am

      I’ve encountered at least two holocaust deniers on this site, and they had their coterie of defenders. In addition, there was one guy I publicly accused of anti-Semitism, in large part because he characterized the vast majority of Jews as a “group” where the “overwhelming majority supports mass murder”. That he hadn’t been banned before (or perhaps since) is to me quite amazing. It was a heated exchange but I stand by what I said without even the smallest hint of hesitation. That was a classic blood libel of the ugliest kind. The kind of anti-Semitism I thought had vanished. I guess I was wrong.

      Tokyo, this is precisely why the overuse of anti-Semitism is dangerous. Real anti-Semites get to walk off for free, as you correctly note.

      But that being said, I would want you to expand on this statement:

      the same kind argument has been made here by a few posters, the same complaint as this alleged killer, if thinly veiled. That the GD Jews get away with things the white man (as a supposed contrast) can’t.

      I’ve noted – as have many others – that there is a racial double standard to racism. And this double standard is largely about Israel and Zionism, which is precisely why the American media has allowed the situation to go unreported in the occupied territories in particular for so long.

      The difference between most of us, and these alleged sympathizers you claim to have seen, is that we don’t want a situation where white nationalism is allowed the same leeway that Zionism currently has, instead we want to close the gap and treat all violent ethno-nationalist ideologies the same. Do you? Because you’ve often ended up in a strange position where you’d defend quasi-Likudnik positions in the past. And how is this different? You seem to be advocating a continuation of the racial double standard.

      I guess the major difference is that the victims of Jewish supremacism are way far off, across half the world. So they are by and large invisible to the American public. If white nationalism became the dominant political ideology of whites in the Western world, the vast majority of victims would be very visible. And I’m guessing many, if not most, of us on this site would be affected.
      That, I think, is driving you, tokyo, to overlook the double standard. Because you understand at a visceral level that you’d be targeted by the violent bigots like the K.C. killer, while you half-endorse a similar ideology which he has praised over in Palestine.

      So to sum up: left-wing anti-Zionists and white nationalists in a bizarre way have both identified the same thing: there is a racial double standard to ethno-nationalism in the Western world. However, from there they both go into two vastly different directions.

      One group, like the K.C. killer wants to emulate Israel.
      The other group, like the people on this site and other progressives, want to push all ethno-nationalistic ideologies into the same box where they’d be judged equally – and then roundly rejected.

      Yet you keep trying to extend the current situation, tokyo, uncomfortable as you are with the closing days of the double standard.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 15, 2014, 8:25 am

      the same kind argument has been made here … same complaint as this alleged killer…. That the GD Jews get away with things the white man…can’t…

      could you give a few examples of the “same kind of argument” in context please and who you are referencing..

      The vast majority of people who comment at MW are in no way anti-semites.

      this is an odd focus/leap given the topic we’re discussing. this guy murders 3 people and you respond by mentioning “draining the swamp” in the comment section and commenters on mondoweiss. sort of a long shot if you ask me.

      it reminds me of link to twitter.com

      who thinks like that?

      • tree
        April 15, 2014, 6:08 pm

        this is an odd focus/leap given the topic we’re discussing. this guy murders 3 people and you respond by mentioning “draining the swamp” in the comment section and commenters on mondoweiss. sort of a long shot if you ask me.

        Annie, if you look at the sum of TBK’s comments here you find that many, if not most, of them concern his patrolling of the comment section for perceived anti-semitism. Even his first question posed to Phil when Phil spoke at Eliezer about the Israeli occupation of Palestine (and his reasons for opposing it) illustrates TBK’s primary lens through which he sees the conflict, and this website in particular.

        Ben began the questions by asking me Did I ever have misgivings about my work given that it has been attractive to anti-Semites, and what did I aim to do about that.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        I don’t think TBK has any real and justified examples here of “the same kind of argument” as the killer’s, except in the sense that commenters have pointed out that acceptance of Jewish supremacy in Israel is just as bad as acceptance of white supremacy, or Christian supremacy in the US. His commentis just an example of the kind of attitude that worries more about the consequences of telling the truth about a horrible situation (like the collective mistreatment of Palestinians by Israel) than it worries about the horrible situation itself. He’s not quite in the same category as the tweeters because at least he acknowledges that there is collective mistreatment of the Palestinians. The tweeters are in major denial, because the truth conflicts with their bigoted sense of Jewish moral exceptionalism.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 15, 2014, 6:51 pm

        thanks tree.

  17. RoHa
    April 14, 2014, 9:31 pm

    Teeny niggle.

    “that targeted people because of who they are.”

    Surely that should be “because of what they are”. They were targeted because they were Jews, not because they were Fred, Joe, and Harry.
    “Who” is like “which”. It picks out specific people. “What” is for description and type.

  18. Sumud
    April 15, 2014, 3:12 am

    Aryan supremacism from the nazis.
    Jewish supremacism from the zionists.
    White supremacism from the KKK-types.

    Three peas in a very nasty pod.

  19. bilal a
    April 15, 2014, 8:29 am

    A federal informant /islamaphobe / famous talk show antisemite kills three christians at a Jewish community center?

    for Passover ?

    who was his handler?

    • Annie Robbins
      April 15, 2014, 9:13 am

      is miller the same white supremacist who took a screenshot of his desktop and accidentally revealed he had the israeli foreign ministry’s megaphone downloaded onto his computer? that was a wild moment.

      edit: a little research, that was bill white, this guy: link to splcenter.org

      it was a big scandal back in 07 when he donated money to the ron paul campaign and a swarm of activists were connecting the paul w/this neo nazi because his campaign had accepted money from white.

      then, after white posted a screenshot of something on his blog and revealed the icon for the megaphone. and my point, is this kind of 6 degrees of separation can snag literally anyone.

      and for all you desperados out there claiming i was “implying” the gov of israel is responsible for these recent murders. i am not and wasn’t. but this is what your ilk is trying to do to max. seriously, you’re so desperate to malign you’ll go to any length to serve your insatiable appetite. grow up.

      • Citizen
        April 15, 2014, 11:38 am

        I think it’s interesting that Miller justifies his vision by pointing to Israel, and, indirectly, to the US government’s support of Israel’s vision. Anybody else?

  20. Woody Tanaka
    April 15, 2014, 9:16 am

    Max’s article does present an interesting thought experiment to the Zionists and supporters of Israel: Take this guy’s ravings at face value and suppose that America was turned into a “White Christian” country and Jews and African Americans were treated exactly the way that the Palestinians are treated — about half are given second-class citizenship but no meaningful voice in the state, about half are held as stateless peasants, occupied, oppressed and abused, and a bunch are held in an open-air prison, a blockaded enclave where only the minimum necessary for life is permitted. Would the treatment of such Jews and African Americans be acceptable? If not, then why aren’t you rethinking your support for Israel?

  21. Donald
    April 15, 2014, 9:43 am

    Frank Bruni in the NYT today links the killings with antisemitism in general, including college campuses. Here’s the quote–

    “Following 9/11, there was enormous concern that all Muslims would be stereotyped and scapegoated, and this heightened sensitivity lingers. It partly explains what just happened at Brandeis University. The school had invited Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a celebrated advocate for Muslim women, to receive an honorary degree. But when some professors and students complained, citing statements of hers that seemed broadly derisive of Islam, the invitation was withdrawn. Clearly, university officials didn’t want their campus seen as a cradle or theater of Islamophobia.
    But other college campuses in recent years have been theaters of anti-Israel discussions that occasionally veer toward, or bleed into, condemnations of Jews. And while we don’t have the anti-Semitism in our politics that some European countries do, there’s still bigotry under the surface.

    There’s so much wrong with this it would take paragraphs to go into. I don’t have the time right now. But what a sick joke the NYT is.

    • Cliff
      April 15, 2014, 9:53 am

      absolutely disgusting

      That Islamophobe is an ADVOCATE for Muslim women’s rights????

      f*** the times

  22. Sycamores
    April 15, 2014, 10:25 am

    the overwhelming issues here is guns and why a person with Frazier Glenn Miller record are allow to have them.

    the cheap shots at Max Blumenthal on social media are the lowest levels of hasbara i’ve seen in a long time.

    the hasbara parade has sunk to an all time low using the deaths of three American citizens trying to justified their hatred of others.

    • seafoid
      April 15, 2014, 11:05 am

      Surely given the gun situation and the power of the NRA everyone is potentially at risk.

    • Ellen
      April 15, 2014, 12:16 pm

      Yes, and the ADL statements yesterday (that Jews will always be a target) are a sad disservice and distraction from truth on many levels. We are all targets for wackjobs with guns. And the more guns flying around, the greater the danger for us all. Why did a convicted felon have guns?

      The attacks on Max Blumenthal have been vicious, and predictable. Max never had anything to do with this insane person. But there has been nothing on Howard Stern, who gave him a platform and invite on his radio show.

      link to wptv.com

      • W.Jones
        April 15, 2014, 2:17 pm

        Ellen,
        Vets Today says he was a federal informant after his release.

      • RudyM
        April 15, 2014, 7:07 pm

        Is there any documentation for it? I read the Kevin Barrett article and I read him now and then, but I’d like something more than his (or Gordon Duff’s) say-so. I find VT valuable in some ways but also very iffy, to say the least.

  23. joer
    April 15, 2014, 10:53 am

    Studying this guy’s political writings makes as much sense as analyzing John Hinckley’s film critiques of Jodie Foster. He was no advocate for Palestinians, as his writings indicate that he wishes America was more like Israel. But even that observation does not deny the fact that there was a lifetime of insanity that led up to this crime. Personally, I think the fact that he targeted an older woman and a grandfather and grandson. It reminds me of how the snipers around Washington D.C. targeted happy black families-and it turned out to be two lost souls who were black and felt left out of all the family joy. I believe-and I have read several dust jackets of Freud’s works-that he was bitter about left behind in his life because of a screwed up family and that got mixed up with Jews in his psychotic milieu.

  24. Citizen
    April 15, 2014, 4:25 pm

    Have any of you who never served in the US military ever thought about those who have done so? We were taught to think of our rifle as our female SO. Do you think we’ve forgotten that indoctrination? Do you think we are not aware that Hitler’s first move once in power was to take away the right of individuals to own guns? I don’t understand you all. Responses invited.

  25. doug
    April 15, 2014, 7:41 pm

    joer,

    I’ve had the displeasure of reading some of his scrawls. Makes me want to take a shower.

    The guy’s a raving anti-Semite, not anti-Zionist. He rather admires Israel’s Zionist nationalism but Jews here he hates with a blind passion, along with blacks, Asians, and everyone else that isn’t lily white and preferably blonde and blue eyed.

  26. yonah fredman
    April 15, 2014, 9:34 pm

    I understand that this website is friends with Max Blumenthal. But really is this back and forth in the tweet battle really something that deserves this space. (I suppose that is one advantage of the ether sphere that there is no such thing as space, as in including all these does not deprive more deserving material from being printed, but still, I’ve never heard of these tweeters and I do not see them and their argument with Max as newsworthy.)

    • yonah fredman
      April 15, 2014, 9:39 pm

      By the way, finally got Goliath out of the bibliotheque and I appreciated the reporting on Yeshaya Leibowitz and I must again assert that Israeli policies are more dangerous to Israel than Max Blumenthal. But… in his chapter on indoctrination he cites Passover as one of the spring holidays along with Yom Hashoah, Yom Hazikaron and Independence Day and citing the “in each generation they rise up against us to wipe us out” as if that is the sole essence of Passover, considers Passover as part of the indoctrination of militarism (and them against us) implied by the other commemorations. This is highly offensive. There is much much more to Passover than “in each generation” and pray tell does Max have something positive to say about any thing Jewish, to balance out his rejection of Passover and other holidays. He is anti the Jewish religion, at least in the chapter on indoctrination. His rhetoric is slanted in that section and I was wondering if those of you who own the book can cite a page or chapter in which he says something positive about Judaism.

      • Hostage
        April 16, 2014, 1:13 am

        he cites Passover as one of the spring holidays along with Yom Hashoah, Yom Hazikaron and Independence Day and citing the “in each generation they rise up against us to wipe us out” as if that is the sole essence of Passover, considers Passover as part of the indoctrination of militarism (and them against us) implied by the other commemorations. This is highly offensive.

        Please Google: “They Tried To Kill Us, We Survived, Let’s Eat” and get over it. That synopsis or commentary didn’t originate with the Gentiles.

        but still, I’ve never heard of these tweeters and I do not see them and their argument with Max as newsworthy

        Hmmn, I find it sort unusual that you’ve never heard of news and opinion makers like Josh Block (head of the Israel Project/former AIPAC flack), John Podhoretz (Editor Commentary Magazine), Ron Kampeas (D.C. bureau chief of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency), Rabbi Steven Burg (Simon Wiesenthal Center/former OU NCSY administrator) or Pamela Geller (Atlas Shrugs blog/anti-Muslim activist).