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‘There’s a lot of anti-Semitism out there’ — Johansson reviews her role as ‘new face of apartheid’

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Ynet reports: “Scarlett Johansson says anti-Semitism behind criticism of SodaStream endorsement”

American Jewish actress Scarlett Johansson believes anti-Semitism is to blame for much of the fire she drew earlier this year over her endorsement of Israeli company SodaStream, which operates a factory in the West Bank.

“There’s a lot of anti-Semitism out there,” Johansson told Vanity Fair, in an interview for the cover of their May edition.

Johansson stuck with SodaStream when the endorsement became controversial in January. She ended up resigning her position with Oxfam.

From a celebrity site‘s report on the Vanity Fair story:

Only one fly in the ointment: The controversy over the Israeli company SodaStream, for which she is a brand ambassador, when it came out the company has a factory in the occupied West Bank.

[Writer Lili] Anolik hears the hurt in Johansson’s voice as she talks about being called “the new face of apartheid.”

“There’s a lot of anti-Semitism out there,” Johansson tells her.

Is that a quote from her about apartheid? If so, I think Annie Robbins got there first:

Sultry Scarlett Johansson is adding another image to her resume, as the new face of apartheid.

Apparently Johansson is in serious denial over her role with SodaStream. From another gossip site:

On the SodaStream controversy: “[I’m being called] the new face of apartheid. There’s a lot of anti-Semitism out there.”

 

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  1. Kay24
    April 10, 2014, 12:44 pm

    There is also a lot of ignorance out there Johansson, especially not knowing the difference real anti-semitism, and criticism against Israel. It seems the koolaid was given to Johansson, and she must have drunk a hefty dose of it. Perhaps Johansson should spend some time doing some reading and lots of research, avoiding hasbara/Israeli propaganda of course.

    • Krauss
      April 10, 2014, 11:07 pm

      To Scarlett, Palestinians do not exist.

      That in of itself shouldn’t be surprising, in Hollywood she is in good company, the place of regular IDF fundraising dinners.

  2. unverified__5ilf90kd
    April 10, 2014, 12:48 pm

    A lot of thoughtless Zionists like Johansson fail to make the connection or do not acknowledge the obvious reality that a lot of modern anti-Semitism is the result of illegal Israeli activities in the occupied territories and Gaza. This unprecedented level of hostility towards Israel in Europe and the USA is the direct result of the illegal Israeli occupation and aggression against the State of Palestine. The aspirations of the Palestinian State threaten the desire of Zionists to steal the entire West Bank and cleanse the area of Palestinians. I think that by challenging Israel on these grounds the new generation of journalists can make a name for themselves and develop a healthy and noble reputation. I hope that more of them will joint the real world and start to speak the truth rather than succumbing to the lobby who have worked so diligently to perpetuate the subterfuge and intimidate the truth tellers by means of bribery, threats and relentlessly deceptive programming.

    • seafoid
      April 10, 2014, 1:51 pm

      “that a lot of modern anti-Semitism is the result of illegal Israeli activities in the occupied territories and Gaza”

      Justice is not antisemitic.
      That criticism of Zionism = anti-Semitism canard has been well and truly exhausted.
      People are sick and tired of Israel hiding behind the past suffering of Jews.

      • brenda
        April 10, 2014, 3:57 pm

        the anti-Semitism canard is the last refuge of scoundrels. When they bring that out it’s a sign their arguments are exhausted, and they may be exhausted also. The tide is running overwhelmingly in the other direction.

      • Kay24
        April 10, 2014, 11:03 pm

        You are right, it served their purpose to get where they are today, in offices at Congress, the zionist media, and US, under their control.
        That overused card has also been able to make certain nations feel guilty, and give the endless love to the victims. The real Holocaust survivors live in quiet dignity, and according to some reports, have been neglected by the Israeli government, who continue to take advantage of their suffering to achieve their devious goals.

    • DaBakr
      April 10, 2014, 8:02 pm

      ya really think so? i think a lot of Zionists KNOW that so-called ‘modern’ Jew-hating (because you know, Arabs are semetic too) stems from Israel since the day it was founded in ’48. And before that what was its cause? Or what was it ‘connected’ to?
      And while Jews were tolerated in many ME nations before the rebirth od Istrael I do not think there is a lot of evidence to suggest that Jews were well liked, let alone ‘loved’ in their native Arab lands. Your simply repeating old and tired memes about the causes of Jew-hating and what things make people hate Jews. It is a mediocre mindset at best. Read up on Sartre or Nietzsche for ideas on the manifestations of Jew-haters and how Jews have been blamed for the hate for centuries if not eons. Just a hate-inspiring people maybe?

    • biorabbi
      April 10, 2014, 8:45 pm

      unverified, let’s accept your premise, did levels of anti-semitic motifs in Europe increase during and after cast lead? You might be surprised that poling showed about the same belief in anti-Jewish stereotypes during and after cast lead.

      Second point, as a thoughtless zionist, you mention that modern anti-semitism is the result of illegal Israeli occupied territorial activities. Point well taken. So how do you explain anti-semitism before 1967? 1937? Dude, you should search for new, more original tropes about the Jews. Phil Weiss is a wonderful teacher.

      • kalithea
        April 12, 2014, 10:36 pm

        FYI, Cast Lead put the Occupation on the global map.

        Blah-blah…dude your definition of modern ain’t so modern.

  3. broadside
    April 10, 2014, 12:56 pm

    Phil, you’re missing the relevant point: she got the cover of Vanity Fair. Just like Claire Danes got the cover of Vogue, perhaps an even higher honor/payoff for an actress, for raving about Tel Aviv as a party town.

    But it’s not really payoff; as I commented on Danes earlier: not a reward to her, but a message for everyone else. (And look at Johansson — it works!!)

    • Kay24
      April 10, 2014, 1:29 pm

      Good point. The zionist media rewards a loyalist, or tears down those who dare to stand up to Israel (it all depends on that call AIPAC makes, of course).

  4. broadside
    April 10, 2014, 1:07 pm

    And look at all the good press de Blasio is getting out of nowhere … you think that’s not tied to the rim job he gave AIPAC?

    • oneof5
      April 10, 2014, 3:13 pm

      “And look at all the good press de Blasio is getting out of nowhere … you think that’s not tied to the rim job he gave AIPAC?

      Oh snap !

  5. Shuki
    April 10, 2014, 1:32 pm

    Kudos to Johansson for calling it like it is. The notion that BDS and anti-Sodastream activism is anything other than thinly veiled antisemitism is absurd. One look no further than MW.

    • eljay
      April 10, 2014, 3:01 pm

      >> The notion that BDS and anti-Sodastream activism is anything other than thinly veiled antisemitism is absurd.

      Fighting for justice, equality and accountability is anything but absurd.

      What is absurd – what’s hypocritical and obscene, actually – is the Zio-supremacist fight against justice, equality and accountability and for an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • Woody Tanaka
      April 10, 2014, 3:47 pm

      “Kudos to Johansson for calling it like it is. The notion that BDS and anti-Sodastream activism is anything other than thinly veiled antisemitism is absurd. ”

      Exactly, and criticism of Apartheid pass system in South Africa was nothing but anti-Afrikaner prejudice.

    • puppies
      April 10, 2014, 4:26 pm

      Shuki – “Antisemitism”? I don’t understand that word. Provide an exact definition. See if you get an agreement in the audience. Then you can submit cases for examination. Until then, you’ll be talking with your nether orifice.

    • kalithea
      April 12, 2014, 10:39 pm

      How does crap like this make it through moderation; and some of my best comments never show up?

      And you know what’s even worse? The fact that intelligent bloggers on this site feel like they need to be on the defensive when such garbage doesn’t deserve the time of day.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    April 10, 2014, 1:41 pm

    I KNEW it was only a matter of time before Johansson played the anti-semite card. It was a question of when, not if. I said as much on this site when the ‘scandal’ broke back in Feb.

    Note that Johansson doesn’t go into detail about just how she ‘knows’ that criticism of a factory built on stolen land in violation of international law is ‘anti-semitism’. Nor, of course, does the interviewer push her on this. Shame, really. I’ve always thought Johansson to be massively overrated, both for her acting ‘skills’ and for her looks, but have had no reason to dislike her as a person. Until now. She’s made it obvious that she’s an arrogant, obtuse idiot who is so shielded from reality that she thinks her uninformed witherings are pearls of wisdom.

    • DaBakr
      April 10, 2014, 8:15 pm

      and she’s crying all the way to the bank. and the people who claim her career is “waning” are ridiculous. she was just in a film where only her voice was featured-replacing the original voice actress because of how much more seductive/appealing her voice was. she now evidently wants to be a married woman w babies and those suggesting she is an idiot (and actual idiot as opposed to an idiot because she is Zionist which we all know qualifies one automatically as an idiot over here) should try and get into Harvard some time…see how it goes. See how ‘easy’ they treat you when your perceived to have privilege. And to women here who suggest she is some weak and manipulated ‘girl’ should be ashamed to think she doesn’t have a brain because she’s some blonde bimbo who only courts some ‘approval’ rating from some secret cabal of power brokers and hasn’t earned her place from working in the industry since she was a little kid. You don’t have to like her politics but there is no call to insult her intelligence. Can you imagine the censors here allowing posters to claim Palestinians were ‘idiots’ for this or that policy support?

      • Pixel
        April 11, 2014, 6:27 am

        People can be highly intelligent and uninformed, especially when it comes the I/P. They can also be living in bubbles. They are myriad and diverse bubbles in this country – Hollywood being one of them.

        Besides, she was raised on the lies, likely by at least one parent who was also raised on the lies.

        I’m sure she believes she is informed.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        April 11, 2014, 8:56 am

        I called Johansson an idiot not because I disagree with her views, nor because she is a blonde ‘hottie’ or has a ‘seductive voice’ (I did get a laugh out of that one – thanks!) but because her interviews provide evidence of a lack of grey matter. Take the recent ‘Guardian’ interview where she mumbled inarticulately – and inaccurately – when confronted with her choice of cash over principle. Take this VF interview – when her only reaction to criticism of her choice to shill for a company profitting from war crimes is to play the ‘anti-semitism’ card. She is unable to even engage with the idea that those critical of her, or the illegal squats she shills for, might have rational cause for their criticism.

        To me, that is proof of lack of brain power. If it walks like an idiot, talks like an idiot, then it probably IS an idiot. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means let us see it.

  7. Woody Tanaka
    April 10, 2014, 1:46 pm

    This is nonsnese. There may be a lot of antisemitism in the world, but people don’t criticize her or this company because of it. Time for the bots to cut the excuses and face the evil that the israelis do.

  8. Chu
    April 10, 2014, 2:11 pm

    Scarlett’s ‘brand’ cant patch the dyke of Israel intransigence and oppression of Palestinian lives. She is a band-aid on a major leak that cant be stopped.

    • seafoid
      April 10, 2014, 3:36 pm

      Too little, too late. Some fresh hasbara is what’s required. Some creative spin on systematic cruelty.

  9. Kathleen
    April 10, 2014, 2:35 pm

    She clearly has no idea what anti semitism is or apartheid. Clearly willfully ignorant. Or just likes the attention no matter how bad it is or her actions continue to be. Pathetic.

    She is getting mighty close to saying that Oxfam is “anti-semitic” Wondering if Yonah will jump in an call her “stupid” for being so vague. And there we go again with someone throwing “anti-semitic” in such a loosey goosey way.

    • Ellen
      April 10, 2014, 2:47 pm

      She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant. I do not want to call her “stupid” but she barely made it out of high school, where her education ended. And from her public utterances it is obviously she is not informed about anything really.

      For those of her generation, this is increasingly the profile of Zionist followers.

      • Chu
        April 10, 2014, 3:06 pm

        come on- completely ignorant -more willfully ignorant. You think she worked at Oxfam all those years in Africa and never heard of the Gaza Prison Camp? Her acting career is winding down, and she is grasping for some extra cash.
        With this action, I’d say she is probably paying off her tithes to Hollywood and Zionism. This is the favor being returned.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        April 10, 2014, 3:40 pm

        ”You think she worked at Oxfam all those years in Africa and never heard of the Gaza Prison Camp? ”

        You’re making it sound as though Johansson had spent years handing out food parcels at a refugee camp in Congo. She barely ‘worked’ for Oxfam at all. She simply jetted in – on first class no doubt – and did a few ‘concerned looking’ photo ops with colourfully attired natives. And jetted back out.

        And yes, I very much doubt she has heard of the Gaza prison camp, or if she has, she’ll think it’s some anti-semitic conspiracy to blame poor Israel for everything. Johansson is a former child star who has lived in a bubble all her life, being told how wonderful and special she is. She seems to believe her own publicity, and has no idea that she comes across as an insipid, self-obsessed moron.

        This is what happens when film stars are given the chance to spout their inane opinions about international affairs. Best avoided.

      • Pixel
        April 11, 2014, 6:28 am

        “You think she worked at Oxfam all those years in Africa and never heard of the Gaza Prison Camp”

        Actually, I think its entirely possible.

      • seafoid
        April 10, 2014, 3:44 pm

        “She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant”

        Twitter has been brutal in terms of the exposure of the ignorance of a lot of celebrities. Showbiz doesn’t need much cerebral power. Tits and ass go a lot further.

      • puppies
        April 10, 2014, 4:32 pm

        @Ellen – “She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant.”
        Almost certainly not. A “Jewish” mother and brought up in New York in the affluent circles? Not a chance, she’s been primed from day 1. Didn’t have enough brains to make a decent job of it, though.

      • libra
        April 12, 2014, 7:29 am

        She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant.

        Or maybe it just comes with the territory:

        One of America’s most iconic beverages joins the SodaStream flavor Lineup. SodaStream users can now enjoy the family favorite taste of Kool-Aid® in sparkling new fashion.

        Some things you just can’t make up.

        http://www.sodastreamusa.com/Kool-Aid-C75.aspx

  10. Annie Robbins
    April 10, 2014, 3:25 pm

    wow, i just saw this. it was supposed to sting and scarlett walked right into it, apartheid didn’t walk into scarlett. soda stream was already massively targeted and the effort of a big campaign by activists years before she decided to be the face of this apartheid company.

    she should have known that as well as her advisors. we (activists) are not a benign influence just because the msm ignored us completely.

    it’s no surprise the bds campaign also used that term. this is not anti semitism, it’s apartheid and the fact she happened to be jewish was irrelevant in my decision to use that term. any actress lending their face and image to promote soda stream would have been marked with the same label.

    and let this be a warning to other actors who chose to lend their image to apartheid. i don’t care who you are. neil young or beyonce. it’s supposed to sting but whatever they feel is nothing compared to what palestinians have endured.

    and scarlett, if you’re reading this. i liked you before. i was a fan. you blew it.

    • DaBakr
      April 10, 2014, 8:24 pm

      I agree, that the fact that sodastream was fairly well known to be at least an Israeli product if not exactly embroiled in controversy, I doubt very much SJ walked into this contract w/o knowing what she was getting into. And coming from Cambridge, even if a few years back, she most definitely knew of BDS or anti-Israeli protests before many others in the US.(when I was there- back in the 70s-many hard-left Jews turned against Israel and their still there) She should admit to this as I don’t see-if she stands by SdaStrm-why it would matter.

      • DaBakr
        April 10, 2014, 9:32 pm

        and even if I mixed her up with some other US starlet who went to Harvard I still think she knew exactly what sodaS was about and is in no way lacking in intelligence as implied.

        okay, i did my 100 hasbarist posts …now its time to get my $51 paycheck ;)

      • Djinn
        April 11, 2014, 3:39 am

        So you think she’s just a vile human being who despite being rich already is happy to take the $ of a company in breach on international law?

      • Annie Robbins
        April 11, 2014, 11:59 am

        she most definitely knew of BDS or anti-Israeli protests…She should admit to this as I don’t see-if she stands by SdaStrm-why it would matter.

        i agree, i’m not sure it does matter. my point was “scarlett walked right into it, apartheid didn’t walk into scarlett.” whether she walked into it knowingly or not, she should have known. but either way, it was not out of anti semitism or her identity as jewish that she was targeted.

        ie bill gates is being targeted right now. it has to do w/his investments and actions (actually the fund under his name). so if gates responded to the campaign by claiming the campaign was racist, especially in light of the recent confirmation Arafat Jaradat was tortured to death https://www.oximity.com/article/Joint-Press-Statement-The-Public-Commi-1 at a prison under the very same ‘security’ corporation gates is invested in, or because of his gates ethnicity, everyone would think he was crazy.

        claims of anti semitism are becoming so common and watered down they almost have no meaning. it’s unfortunate she’s falling back on this excuse for why she’s being labeled.

        anyway, i really don’t care anymore when she became aware this corporation was operating in the illegal jewish settlements.

      • Sumud
        April 11, 2014, 10:19 pm

        ScarJo did not go to Harvard, at least not for an education.

    • biorabbi
      April 10, 2014, 9:03 pm

      Annie, so you are no longer a fan? One of the problems here is the demonization of people for their beliefs. Maybe she’s a decent person, a good actor, maybe a good friend, daughter. Maybe not. Maybe she’s a superficial dimwit. But here stance on Israel does not alter or change her character. A person could be Jewish, they could be a neoconservative, they may love Israel, but this should not alter their humanity(or lack of it).

      Annie, shorter version… I detest what the Roger Waters says on Israel, BDS, and Palestine, but does that detract from the quality of album The Wall? Pink Floyd is still the greatest rock group of all time even if I don’t agree with the ideology of its founder.

      • seanmcbride
        April 10, 2014, 11:10 pm

        biorabbi,

        Great comment on Johansson, Waters and on the need not to let our political disagreements with others cloud our judgment about their talent and character. I agree completely.

      • lonely rico
        April 11, 2014, 2:29 am

        But here (sic) stance on Israel does not alter or change her character.

        Of course not, but it does REVEAL character. She displays either a willful ignorance or an unattractive lack of humanity in the face of ugly injustice.

      • Djinn
        April 11, 2014, 3:36 am

        It does not alter her character however it most certainly does prove that that character is a shitty one.

        She chose filthy lucre over humanitarianism even though she’s hardly in need of the cash and published lies about the position of a well respected organisation as she did so.

        I can’t say I was ever a fan but I had no views on her character, the evidence supplied by her actions leaves me comfortable in deciding she is either very ignorant or a flat out liar who understands the issues and just doesn’t care.

      • Donald
        April 11, 2014, 7:57 am

        “One of the problems here is the demonization of people for their beliefs. Maybe she’s a decent person, a good actor, maybe a good friend, daughter. Maybe not. Maybe she’s a superficial dimwit. But here stance on Israel does not alter or change her character. ”

        There’s a valid point lurking in there, but mixed in with some barnyard fecal matter. The valid point is that a person can be wrong on some moral issue and be a good person otherwise. It depends on whether they should have known better and also on whether they act on their immoral beliefs, but yes, people are complicated.

        Johannson goes around making statements about the I/P conflict which at best show her to be clueless and at worst, show her to be the sort that think movements for Palestinian rights must be motivated by anti-semitism, so apparently Palestinian rights are too unimportant to motivate anyone. The charitable interpretation is that she has given no serious thought to this conflict and is unwilling to modify her position when caught in the spotlight and when criticized she prefers to attack her critics as anti-semites. She’s not behaving in an admirable way on this issue.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 11, 2014, 12:21 pm

        Annie, so you are no longer a fan? One of the problems here is the demonization of people for their beliefs.

        first of all i don’t relate to terms like demons, demonize, or evil when discussing people or their beliefs (or even movements like supporting apartheid) . i don’t think it’s helpful. i might make an exception for that in discussing people who worship satan or demons, followers of satanic rituals or something but otherwise it’s off the table. so i won’t be demonizing scarlett johansson, ever.

        A person could be Jewish, they could be a neoconservative, they may love Israel, but this should not alter their humanity(or lack of it).

        first of all, i wasn’t a fan of her humanity. i thought she was a good actress. she’s probably still a good actress but i no longer respect her, therefore i am not a fan of hers.

        Maybe she’s a decent person, a good actor, maybe a good friend, daughter.

        the same could be said for mel gibson or woody allen. once you find out someone does something you consider immoral it’s kind of natural to feel repulsed thinking of them.

        But here stance on Israel does not alter or change her character.

        from my understanding, she didn’t alter or change her character, she revealed it. i just can’t look at her the same. it’s similar to how i feel about alicia keyes. something just snapped, she’s a collaborator.

  11. chuckcarlos
    April 10, 2014, 3:40 pm

    there’s no business
    like the shoa business

  12. Justpassingby
    April 10, 2014, 6:23 pm

    face of apartheid?
    Police caught on tape brutally beating two Palestinians
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.584879

  13. joer
    April 10, 2014, 6:30 pm

    The use of apartheid as a synonym with modern Israel is used a lot here, but there are some fundamental structural differences. First of all, the Israeli perception of a demographic time bomb wasn’t as prevalent in Apartheid South Africa. True, whites severely restricted the rights of blacks, but they accepted that they were the minority. Israel explicit policy is to keep the Palestinian population down through onerous laws and restrictions. This aspect adds an ominous dimension to Palestinian existence. Not only is the Palestinian future being erased, but so is their past. As far as I know, there was no South African policy to erase the fact that blacks had been living there for centuries. Finally, Israel’s policy of expansion is taking the form of more or less moving in on top of existing Palestinian communities to the extent that they will eventually have nowhere to live. South African Whites merely wanted their victims out of sight, not out of the country.

    • Djinn
      April 11, 2014, 3:38 am

      There is the SYSTEM of Apartheid as it was practiced in South Africa and the CRIME of Apartheid which does not require an exact replication of that system.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 11, 2014, 12:34 pm

      The use of apartheid as a synonym with modern Israel is used a lot here, but there are some fundamental structural differences.

      that may very well be, but none of the structural differences you mention in any way alter the conditions required for the definition of the crime of apartheid to be applied, not that you were arguing otherwise.

      the conditions you mention, the ” ominous dimension”: Palestinian future being erased, but so is their past. this would be applicable to the crime of genocide albeit there are differences of opinion about the definition of that crime.

    • Sumud
      April 11, 2014, 10:31 pm

      The Crime of Apartheid as defined in 1973, as opposed to apartheid as practiced in South Africa:

      For the purpose of the present Convention, the term ‘the crime of apartheid’, which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practiced in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhumane acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

      a. Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person
      i. By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
      ii. By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
      iii. By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
      b. Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
      c. Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognised trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
      d. Any measures including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
      e. Exploitation of the labour of the members of a racial group or groups, in particular by submitting them to forced labour;
      f. Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid.

      With the exception of point e., the use of forced labour, Israel qualifies in all categories that I can see, including inside Israel proper.

  14. mijj
    April 10, 2014, 6:48 pm

    when she says “anti-semitism”, does she mean against Palestinians, Jews, Zionists, or what?

    • joer
      April 11, 2014, 12:20 pm

      Apartheid is an important point of reference, but my point was that it is different way that is actually worse for Palestinians. In South Africa under Apartheid, things were kept as bad as whites could keep them but still have blacks stay and work in the mines. Under Zionism, the goal is to make life absolutely impossible for Palestinians.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 11, 2014, 12:35 pm

        exactly, see my last comment to you.

  15. Donald
    April 10, 2014, 10:20 pm

    Anti-semitism is a form of bigotry, but on this particular subject, the I/P conflict, an accusation of anti-semitism is sometimes also an expression of bigotry. Johansson doesn’t realize that the implication of her statement is that Palestinians don’t matter. They are so unimportant that any movement conducted on behalf of their rights couldn’t possibly be sincere. No, it has to be about hatred of Jews.

    • JeffB
      April 11, 2014, 12:43 pm

      @Donald

      Johansson doesn’t realize that the implication of her statement is that Palestinians don’t matter. They are so unimportant that any movement conducted on behalf of their rights couldn’t possibly be sincere. No, it has to be about hatred of Jews.

      There are quite literally hundreds if not thousands of groups the size of the Palestinians being oppressed in a variety of ways. Tribes of all different sizes in wars.

      To pick a relevant example in Mali we have Al-Qaeda backing the Tuareg and the Bambara backed by the French. The President of Mali (Bambara) has openly called for genocide agains the Tuareg after this latest rebellion. The Tuareg have been under martial laws since the 1960s rebellions.

      There is no equivalent of MW for the Tuareg in the west. There is no equivalent of AIPAC backing the Bambara. Scarlett Johansson was able to make vacuous supportive statements of Oxfam without having to take sides in the conflict. The entire tone of the debate in the west is distant and unemotional. People in America don’t get accused of being “Mali firsters” for backing the French Bambara position. People in America who support self determination for the Tuareg are able to do so with a dispassionate view towards either human rights or interests.

      Whether Al-Qaeda wins or the French win, neither side has expectations that either faction is going to respect international law or honor the Geneva conventions or anything like that. Both Al-Qaeda and the French are anti-racist themselves but no one accuses them of being hypocrites for backing a race war because they see it in their interests. Which puts a lie to the idea this is all about international law.

      BDSers are never able to answer the basic question of where the passion comes from if it isn’t about Jews. Why isn’t Israel treated like every other stupid tribal war that no one cares about where various factions can line up behind various interests and the public is mostly indifferent? The idea that events involving Jews are of cosmic importance is pure anti-Semitism. So yes. The idea that Scarlett Johansson couldn’t be Oxfam’s ambassador while also working for Soda Stream is precisely the opposite of what the world and Oxfam in particular did in Mali.

      She has every right to think this is about Jews.

      • eljay
        April 11, 2014, 1:02 pm

        >> To pick a relevant example in Mali …

        It’s funny how Zio-supremacists never pick a relevant example such as, say, Denmark, Austria or Canada when it comes to defending their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state.

        It’s always Mali or Saudi Arabia or African “hell-holes”, and always about being just a little bit better than the worst rather than being as good as the best.

        It’s always about justifying past and on-going (war) crimes, land theft, colonialism and supremacism rather than sincerely striving to make peace, honour obligations and accept responsibility.

      • JeffB
        April 12, 2014, 8:56 am

        @eljay

        It’s funny how Zio-supremacists never pick a relevant example such as, say, Denmark, Austria or Canada

        Scar Jo has never been active with Oxfam feeding people in Demark, Austria or Canada. But if you want an example of how those countries formed:

        Canada = mass migration from Europe. Indigenous population slaughtered.

        Austria = Current inhabitants the result of a 3 way invasion in the middle ages. Multiple tribes have lived their violent displacing each other previously.

        Denmark = The very name comes from the Dani people who were invaders.

        OK, there you go the 3 examples you picked.

      • eljay
        April 13, 2014, 6:45 pm

        >> But if you want an example of how those countries formed …

        Weak attempt at diversion. I didn’t ask for an example of how those countries formed one or more centuries ago.

        >> OK, there you go the 3 examples you picked.

        OK what? You have completely failed to demonstrate that Israel is or strives to be anywhere near as good as Canada, Austria and Denmark – none of which is a supremacist state – currently are.

        Better luck next time…unless you’re busy comparing Israel to Mali, Saudi Arabia or African “hell-holes”. Again.

      • Donald
        April 11, 2014, 2:54 pm

        I know I’m wasting my time replying, as you know the answer perfectly well–after all you pretend to have heard BSD’ers reply numerous times. But here it is–Israel is treated as a Western democracy, and in the US it is actually treated by Congress as the 51st state. If anything that understates it. I think there are Congress people who are more likely to be critical of US human rights violations than of Israel’s. So Israel’s crimes are our crimes. Yes, there are places that commit crimes worse than those of Israel–the Syrian government right next door, for instance, kills and tortures at a rate far higher than Israel. But I don’t have my congressional representative and my senator singing Syria’s praises. I don’t have my government claiming that Israeli apartheid and Palestinian attempts to gain membership in UN organizations are both “obstacles” to the “peace process”.

        Like a great many people on the left, I think it is my responsibility to focus on the human rights violations that are linked to my country’s foreign policy. In the 80’s and 90’s, btw, Israel would have been on my second or third tier of human rights concerns–Central America and East Timor and Angola and South Africa and the sanctions on Iraq (depending on the year) would have been first. Many of the older people involved in some way in criticizing Israel now would have probably been spending more time on those other issues then. Of course Israel was involved in some of that too, on the side of the killers. And as I’ve read more, I’ve realized that, as the Ibish quote today shows, the Palestinian issue is unique in some respects. The US really is intimately linked to an apartheid system that is many decades old.
        If Israel wishes to be treated like any other corrupt authoritarian regime with a rotten human rights record, please join them in their attempt to inform Congress, the President of the United States, and most of America’s pundits. Unfortunately, it’s decades late for Americans to pretend that what the Palestinians are suffering isn’t partly our fault.

        There’s no way you can’t have heard that answer before. I think you choose to miss points that you don’t want to acknowledge and this is a universal trait among Israel defenders. If you didn’t have the anti-semitism accusation to make, you’d have nothing at all. So you make it. And again, it demonstrates bigotry on the part of those who use it.

      • American
        April 11, 2014, 3:20 pm

        Ditto to Donald.

      • JustJessetr
        April 11, 2014, 5:46 pm

        @Donald: That’s terrific you don’t want your tax dollars to fund the racist, colonial, and genocidal policies of a faux-democracy.

        So, hand back your house to the Native Americans who lived here before you, and go the hell back to Europe where you came from. And spare me the cheap excuse that you have roots here.

        Oh, did you think I was talking about Israel?

      • JeffB
        April 12, 2014, 2:35 pm

        @Donald

        The emotion in your post is an example of precisely what she is talking about. There is nothing unique about Israel’s relationship to the United States. The United States has a long history of friendly relationships with countries with questionable human rights records. I fully agree with you that the USA is morally responsible for our actions. But were Israel not there, the USA wouldn’t be sending over troops to oppress the Palestinians for their own benefit. That’s entirely an Israeli policy. A fair read of the situation is the USA is somewhere between indifferent and mildly opposed.

        The idea that the USA is personally morally implicated in actions of Israel in a way they aren’t with France is a perfect example of the kind of disproportionate criticism that Israel suffers from. To use the Mali example the USA government supports the Bambara. But no one make your argument that makes the USA secretly implicated in the dispossession of the Tuareg. We understand that the USA doesn’t care and mostly has tactical reasons for allying with one tribe over another. So while we back the Bambara we do so out of convenience.

        And that’s precisely the kind of indifference that Israel should enjoy.
        With no other country do we pretend we are directly implicated in their acts. We have an alliance with France we don’t pretend that makes French history ours or French policy our policy.

        Treating Israel like just another country is what is called for. Israel does not deserve to be treated like a corrupt authoritarian regime, because it is neither corrupt nor authoritarian. Where did corrupt come from? Israel is less corrupt than most Western Democracies and certainly less corrupt that the United States. What’s particularly corrupt about Israel? Another example of what she is talking about, that Jews are secretly responsible for all evils since they work for Satan. This idea that if Jews aren’t perfect they become evil is yet another type anti-Semitism. Governments, including Jewish government are entitled to be imperfect. The very kind of rhetoric you are using in arguing against BDS being anti-Semetic is anti-Semetic. Israel is an imperfect society, that’s it.

        Similarly it is not authoritarian it is a rather well functioning tribal democracy. It has made attempts to expand that democracy out to the indigenous population with mixed success. That’s it. If this isn’t about the Jews when where is unbalanced emotion coming from?

        There is no great moral dilemma with Israel. You weren’t involved, the only way this is some cosmological event in which you took part was in your theology.

      • brenda
        April 11, 2014, 3:03 pm

        “Why isn’t Israel treated like every other stupid tribal war that no one cares about… ?”

        Because here in America, JeffB, the right wing Israeli government is intruding into our governmental processes in ways that are intolerable to left leaning progressive liberals. Here in America, as I am sure you are aware, there is about a 50/50 standoff between conservatives and liberals. Which is ok actually. We don’t want liberals running the country without a steadying hand on the brake by conservatives, right? But we also do not want our democracy to be derailed by an influx of foreign right wingers. It doesn’t take much to disturb the delicate balance.

        This is nothing to do with anti-semitism, JeffB. It has to do with conservative vs. liberal politics. If you are going to apply the anti-semitism canard, I can only think less highly of you. I really didn’t think you had it in you.

        About 50% of the Israeli population supports a peace deal with the Palestinians. Some of the Israeli population, likely not from the right wing, support a goods & services boycott of West Bank products. The Knesset recently passed a law making political organization for boycott illegal, but some Israelis continue to boycott privately. Would you say these Israelis are anti-semitic? Or would you say they were progressive liberals?

      • JeffB
        April 12, 2014, 2:52 pm

        @Brenda

        Here in America, as I am sure you are aware, there is about a 50/50 standoff between conservatives and liberals.

        No I’m not aware. I see a 40-40-20 conservative-moderate-liberal breakdown with the liberals gaining about .2% / yr right now. Now there is something like a 50/50 standoff between Democrats and Republicans but that doesn’t map cleanly onto conservatives / liberals.

        the right wing Israeli government is intruding into our governmental processes in ways that are intolerable to left leaning progressive liberals.

        Brenda, that’s fiction. It isn’t happening. There is no intrusion into our politics by Israel.

        Some of the Israeli population, likely not from the right wing, support a goods & services boycott of West Bank products. The Knesset recently passed a law making political organization for boycott illegal, but some Israelis continue to boycott privately. Would you say these Israelis are anti-semitic? Or would you say they were progressive liberals?

        First off BDS doesn’t support a settlement boycott they support an Israeli boycott. The settlement boycott is a much more mainstream position. So its kinda irrelevant to the discussion of BDS. I don’t think supporting a boycott is anti-Semetic I don’t even think all BDSers are anti-Semetic. For example I don’t think Ali Abunimah is an anti-Semite in anyway. I don’t think Phil is an anti-Semite. I do think that most gentile BDSers are but often don’t realize it.

        Most anti-black racists today in the USA don’t think they are racist and don’t realize how much racism has intruded into their thinking. When they talk about “traditional values” they have a hard time understanding that American traditional values are racist and thus if you don’t deliberately purge yourself of racism just supporting traditions ends up supporting racial disparities in the United States. They are genuinely offended by being called racist even when they are making clearly racist comments. Your typical racist is embarrassed when the Republican party engages in openly racist behavior like distributing copies of the song, “Barack the Magic Negro” or a picture of Michelle Obama with a bone thru her nose.

        You and I have had two dialogues. In one you talked about paid Israeli agents on blogs. In this one you’ve talked about Israel subverting Liberals. There is no secret Jewish (or Israeli) cabal. The people in the Israeli lobby are Americans. The rightwing groups are mostly run by Republicans, the leftwing groups are mostly run by Democrats. Nothing different than what you would see on the groups that push for closer ties to China or Europe.

      • Hostage
        April 13, 2014, 7:39 pm

        There is no intrusion into our politics by Israel.

        You must live in a cave cut-off from civilization. The press were all over the story about the participation of Netanyahu in Romney’s campaign against Obama. See:
        *What Netanyahu’s meddling in US election means for Obama, Romney, and diplomacy http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2012/0927/What-Netanyahu-s-meddling-in-US-election-means-for-Obama-Romney-and-diplomacy
        * Netanyahu Appears in Pro-Romney Ad http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/netanyahu-ad.php

      • American
        April 11, 2014, 3:18 pm

        ‘BDSers are never able to answer the basic question of where the passion comes from if it isn’t about Jews.’…..jeffb

        You’ve been told numerous times that the passion comes from 1)compassion for oppressed people 2)passion to also wipe this Isr abomination of I/P and US complicity in it out of US government.

        If you want to make it about Jews go ahead, no one cares, its your problem. And not our job, concern or responsibility to assure you its not. We are not going to play nanny to your childish whines.

      • Sumud
        April 11, 2014, 10:58 pm

        Further to Donald and Brenda’s point, the same also applies to countries outside the US including my own, Australia. Israel is presented to us as an ally with common values by bought politicians, and I say NO, NOT IN MY NAME.

        JeffB, can you please name the country that is responsible for:
        – creating the largest refugee population in the world today
        – maintaining the longest military occupation in the world today
        – being in defiance of more UN SC resolutions than any other country today.

        Finally, despite people doing you the courtesy of responding, myself included, no person ever needs to justify why they stand up for human rights.

        It is not BDS’ers who seek to misdirect, deny and justify occupation, ethnic cleansing, pillage, torture, murder and even massacres. That’s you guys, and that’s why you’re losing. Pretty simple.

      • JeffB
        April 12, 2014, 3:11 pm

        @Sumud

        can you please name the country that is responsible for:- creating the largest refugee population in the world today

        I suspect the Congo. Between their own refugee crisis and the spill overs into places like Angola and Burundi as well as the number of years they are probably first. People’s Republic of China may be first though just because of sheer numbers.

        Israel, which is what you meant isn’t in the top 10 unless you use very weird ways of counting designed to make sure Israel comes in 1st.

        – maintaining the longest military occupation in the world today

        Don’t know. But if you mean the thing the UN calls the longest military occupation that would be Israel. Mali being a good example of how this sort of thing is normally handled. The UN just declares the whole country under Bambara control and moves on. No pretending there is an occupation.

        If we were to use the same standards we use for Israel that is that occupation is never resolved by incorporation then one of the societies that has been around since right after the Ice Age would probably win. If we carefully construct a standard so as to trip the Jews up and then apply it unequally then yes we can define things in such a way so that Israel loses. Again that’s what Scar Jo means.

        being in defiance of more UN SC resolutions than any other country today.

        That’s supposed to be evidence that BDS isn’t anti-Semeitic. The UN hates Israel. Well known, well understood and openly their policy. The UN is anti-Semetic. The UN likes to regularly host anti-Jewish incitement rallies in in Durban. Using the UN to justify anti-Israeli actions is like supporting Jihad Watch as evidence against muslims.

        I get that liberals want to think more highly of the UN. But when we are dealing with reality here, i.e. is Scar Jo right then yeah someone who supports the UN is someone supporting a Jewish hating organization. The UN is anti-Jewish. I can pick anti-anything organizations and use them to justify discrimination against any group.

        Finally, we aren’t losing. Seems to me this year there is more housing in the West Bank and Israel’s trade is greater than last year.

      • Hostage
        April 13, 2014, 7:31 pm

        Israel, which is what you meant isn’t in the top 10 unless you use very weird ways of counting designed to make sure Israel comes in 1st.

        Israel and the DRC are in a dead heat, no matter how you count it and China is nowhere near those two.

        The rest of your post is shopworn propaganda and the usual trolling.

      • talknic
        April 13, 2014, 10:41 pm

        @ JeffB You’re obviously paid to post complete BS, surely no one purposefully makes a complete [email protected] of themselves for nothin’

        //creating the largest refugee population in the world today //

        “I suspect the Congo”

        You suspect = you don’t know and you’re not bothered to find out, yet you try to reply.

        // longest military occupation //

        “Don’t know”

        Liar, you go on to name Israel and give the false UN hates Isael bullsh*t, which can be so easily disproven its moronic to use it in defense of the indefensible.

        The UN has in fact, thru the UNSC given Israel hundreds of opportunities to adhere to the Law and UN Charter and has never taken any action against Israel for ignoring its legal obligations. Name another country given so many opportunities by the UN.

        “Finally, we aren’t losing. Seems to me this year there is more housing in the West Bank and Israel’s trade is greater than last year”

        You’ve lost if illegal actions and money are the criteria for winning pal

      • puppies
        April 13, 2014, 10:54 pm

        @talknic – Paid? JeffG? Not a chance, I mean of being paid by the Zionists. Why, he has given away so many of their thoughts that I would pay him myself if enough people were reading him.

      • Sumud
        April 14, 2014, 1:42 am

        Aren’t losing JeffB?

        You can’t extrapolate a decade or two and see that the game is up? Don’t believe me, listen to the Olmerts who have both said that Israel as an apartheid state is not sustainable.

        You can accuse BDS of being anti-semitic if you like but people don’t seem to be buying it – maybe something to do with the fairly large contradiction between advocating for universal human rights and anti-semitism. They also don’t seem to be too impressed by the standard ziobot line “look over there”.

        You’re on a sinking ship JeffB. Wouldn’t your energy be better directed at trying to bring about sustainable change in Israel?

      • talknic
        April 14, 2014, 3:29 am

        @ JeffB dual citizenship or maybe in posting so much unsubstantiated bull sh*t he simply forgets what he’s said

        There is no intrusion into our politics by Israel.

        THEN

        ..we aren’t losing. Seems to me this year there is more housing in the West Bank and Israel’s trade is greater than last year.

      • Kathleen
        April 13, 2014, 9:59 pm

        “Why isn’t Israel treated like every other stupid tribal war that no one cares about where various factions can line up behind various interests and the public is mostly indifferent?”

        3 billion a year plus billions more in in kind donations to Israel
        http://www.wrmea.org/congress-and-us-aid-to-israel/494-congress-a-us-aid-to-israel/9748-u-s-financial-aid-to-israel-figures-facts-and-impact.html

        Israel’s illegal and immoral actions have been and continue to be a threat to U.S. National Security
        http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/national-summit-examines-tightly-held-beliefs-about-israel-on-march-7-248359151.html

        Many former CIA middle east analyst have come out over the last 10-15 years and been willing to share their expert analysis with the American public. Israel’s illegal and immoral actions are a serious National Security issue for the U.S. Micheal Scheuer, Ray McGovern, Kathleen and Bill Christison, Flynt Leverett etc

        http://www.c-span.org/person/?michaelscheuer

        http://www.c-span.org/video/?291033-3/terrorism-homeland-security

  16. Dentrebeccag
    April 11, 2014, 2:29 am

    Some have questioned Ms. Johansson’s intelligence (or lack of it) in supporting Soda Stream, a company that operates a factory in the West Bank (in clear violation of international law). I didn’t want to jump on that bandwagon…until now. Since she has just resorted to playing the “anti-Semitism” card, and previously indicated that since Soda Stream employs Palestinians, it shouldn’t be criticized, how can one not question her intelligence? Personally, though, I’d rather be thought of as ignorant than as someone who supports cruelty and oppression. Sadly, for Ms. Johansson, much of the world now sees her as both.

    • Chu
      April 11, 2014, 1:06 pm

      The part about Soda Stream employing Palestinians was egregious. Chomsky used to reference a white slave owner in the US who said something like ‘our slaves prefer it here, they get to work and have a good life.’ Her regurgitation of this propaganda line was the worst thing she has said so far.

      • puppies
        April 13, 2014, 7:41 pm

        Bah, the Southern slaveowner could still argue that at least back in Western Africa the ancestral yam patch was still in the hands of the family…

  17. Pixel
    April 11, 2014, 5:50 am

    While it may not change anything for her, clearly she’s uninformed.

    She’s being controlled by the “People of the Lie” (M. Scott Peck). She believes them, just like I did – along with almost everybody else in the world!

    It’s REALLY hard to break out from that; I’m not sure she’ll ever be able to. And because she’s such a well-known public figure, the pressure to “keep her in line” will only increase.

    While I have no patience in these matters, I do have compassion. The poor woman doesn’t have a clue, which for 50 years I didn’t have either.

    • brenda
      April 11, 2014, 10:47 am

      I agree with you, Pixel. She’s a useful idiot who for sure will be “used”, and used relentlessly. That is the one thing I find hardest to bear, the casual way the modern state of Israel calls in Diaspora Jews to help out. As if it owned them. As if they had no overriding loyalty to whatever nation they happen to be living in, peacefully and productively. As far as our own American Jewish civil rights activists are concerned, PEPs, it’s like they’ve been kidnapped. We flucking need them ourselves! How come there’s been no big organized public demonstrations on issues such as the environment, campaign finance reform etc.? Why did the Occupy Wall St. movement die out? One answer is that our talented and energetic progressive Jewish activists are down for the count, laid out by the needs of a foreign nation. I happen to know of one myself, this isn’t just theorizing. I can’t believe my own experience is something unique to me.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 11, 2014, 12:38 pm

        We flucking need them ourselves! … our talented and energetic progressive Jewish activists are down for the count, laid out by the needs of a foreign nation.

        no it’s not unique. i feel the same way. thank goodness there are a lot of them who have broken thru the cultural malaise.

      • brenda
        April 11, 2014, 4:13 pm

        “thank goodness there are a lot of them who have broken thru the cultural malaise.”

        I know, Annie, but the fact of the matter is we need every last one. The progressive agenda against the right in this country is like a close election. If even a portion of our progressive Jewish activists are out of action over Israel issues, we lose.

        What really riles me is that the only recourse is to hope and do what you can (which is nothing other than ‘hope’) to see that Israel gets peaceably integrated into the region. On that score, there are some tantalizing new developments in the US sponsored peace talks, which are ongoing despite authoritative opinions of ‘dead in the water’:

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.585115

        “Israeli and Palestinian negotiators met Thursday under the auspices of US envoy Martin Indyk nearly two weeks after the talks hit fresh crisis when Israel refused to release a final batch of prisoners, and Palestinians retaliated by seeking accession to 15 international treaties. Israel then said it would freeze the transfer of taxes it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority Despite the escalations, Israeli media reported a possible deal under which Arab-Israelis would be part of the fourth batch of prisoners still to be freed under commitments made when the US kick-started the peace negotiations last July… ”

        the report goes on to say the Israeli negotiators accepted the Palestine moves to be part of 15 UN agencies, ie, they would still negotiate, this was not a deal-breaker. Big brouhaha from Israeli right ministers over this. Here is the part that made my heart start beating faster:

        “The real threat comes from within Netanyahu’s own Likud party. Deputy foreign minister Zeev Elkin said a deal including a settlement construction freeze and release of prisoners, after the Palestinians applied to international institutions, “could shock the political system and force Israel into new elections”.

        YES!!! That is exactly what is needed. Regime change in Israel. New elections. Israel is wavering, there may easily be enough political will to end the occupation. And that will normalize Israel’s relations with 22 Arab nations in the region. Probably including Iran. And then we will be nearly home free. No more need for AIPAC or the Emergency Committee for Israel, the whole thing goes south.

      • puppies
        April 13, 2014, 7:45 pm

        @brenda – Regime change in Israel with new elections? Any change with other Zionists at the helm? “Liberals”, perhaps, to continue the genocide? “Will to end the occupation”? Let’s be our age, please.

    • Chu
      April 11, 2014, 1:14 pm

      People of the Lie. (what a book.)

      According to Peck an evil person:
      1.Is consistently self-deceiving, with the intent of avoiding guilt and maintaining a self-image of perfection
      2 Deceives others as a consequence of their own self-deception
      3 Projects his or her evils and sins onto very specific targets (scapegoats) while being apparently normal with everyone else (“their insensitivity toward him was selective”
      4 Commonly hates with the pretense of love, for the purposes of self-deception as much as deception of others
      5 Has a covert intolerance to criticism and other forms of narcissistic injury
      6 Is unable to think from the viewpoint of their victim

    • kalithea
      April 12, 2014, 11:44 pm

      Compassion? Poor woman? Please invest your empathy in a genuine worthy cause and not waste it on this Zionist bimbo. She made a killing on that Zionist gig and could care less how the Occupation hurts millions of people.

  18. Pixel
    April 11, 2014, 6:32 am

    By the way…

    Doc Rocket, I LOVE the graphic!

  19. Talkback
    April 11, 2014, 8:34 am

    There are a lot of Apartheid faces out there.

  20. German Lefty
    April 11, 2014, 9:05 am

    If demanding equal rights for Palestinians is anti-Semitic, then demanding equal rights for gay people is heterophobic.

  21. Hostage
    April 11, 2014, 1:16 pm

    “There’s a lot of anti-Semitism out there,” Johansson told Vanity Fair, in an interview for the cover of their May edition.

    Johansson is the new face of the racist money grubbers. She’s trying to distract attention away from a blatant example of Jewish war profiteering, and she’s singing for her supper.

    • American
      April 11, 2014, 2:01 pm

      @ Hostage

      my opinion also. don’t think she even deserves the space we are giving her on I/P.
      the more yack-yack against her, the more Hollywood zios will reward her.
      she should be ignored.

  22. kalithea
    April 12, 2014, 11:26 pm

    Personally, I don’t give a shet if Scarlett is Jewish and as far as being a Zionist; that’s a badge of shame; although I would much prefer if she came out looking like the SStream bimbo and tried to sell Zionism as opposed to SS. I’d like to see her actually state – “I’m a Zionist; and I endorse the Occupation.” Come on Scarjo – I dare ya!

    What really bugs me about Scarjo is that she had everyone fooled with her Oxfam – mother Teresa Scarjo front, scarf and all, getting her compassionate moment captured in a phot-op in India. Then she turns around and puts on the bimbo look for SS and sells her soul to the ZOI – Zionist Occupation Industry.

    So why should it surprise me that she stooped to use the victim card to defend such hypocrisy and pathetic attempt to save face?

    One good thing came out of this: Oxfam is free of the humanitarian poseuse.

  23. JeffB
    April 13, 2014, 8:32 pm

    @Hostage

    You must live in a cave cut-off from civilization. The press were all over the story about the participation of Netanyahu in Romney’s campaign against Obama.

    That’s a mild endorsement indicating a preference. That sort of thing is rather normal. For example most of the world similarly endorsed Obama vs. McCain in 2008 and endorsed Obama vs. Romney in 2012. And for that matter what we are doing in India right now regarding the BJP. Israel’s behavior isn’t abnormal with that, other than generally Israel prefers Democrats or is indifferent.

    What was unusual because the Romney went after the Jewish vote more aggressively than Republicans ever had. It was Romney’s behavior that made the story notable, but that’s not Israel.

  24. JeffB
    April 14, 2014, 6:58 am

    @Sumud

    Aren’t losing JeffB?

    You can’t extrapolate a decade or two and see that the game is up? Don’t believe me, listen to the Olmerts who have both said that Israel as an apartheid state is not sustainable.

    Israelis are hysterics. They are constantly talking about their society being unsustainable. I don’t believe the pessimism from the left about the existential threats to Israel’s character or the pessimism from the right how every opponent is an existential threat.

    I think in general most of the analysis assumes that Israelis are idiots and are incapable of taking action to resolve problems. While Israel’s history shows that Israel is capable or reacting quickly and effectively to threats. I can easily think of dozens of different ways for Israel to resolve the apartheid / delegitimization problem ranging from: voluntary assimilation (my preference) to forced assimilation to creating a formal democracy to creating a bicameral legislature designed so that one house will be effectively Jewish to concentrating the Palestinians population and then renouncing territory to genocide to ethnic cleansing to … Israelis are good.

    You can accuse BDS of being anti-semitic if you like but people don’t seem to be buying it

    Except they are buying it. That’s the problem you keep having in various institutions that BDS type activities in America get denounced and attacked.

    maybe something to do with the fairly large contradiction between advocating for universal human rights and anti-semitism. They also don’t seem to be too impressed by the standard ziobot line “look over there”.

    Except they do. And that one works even in Europe where after a decade of full on demonization of Israel. The population of Europe isn’t that negative towards Israel and support for sanctions is falling in Europe. Europe keeps passing trade deals with Israel because while they certainly have mixed feelings on balance they Israel more than most other countries. We having polling, these things are knowable. And what they show is that the anti-Israeli cause has some serious problems.

    Wouldn’t your energy be better directed at trying to bring about sustainable change in Israel?

    If I had a way to I would. But I certainly don’t see any reason for “sustainable change” to be the end of Zionism. I’d pick almost any other solution before the end of Zionism.

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