How Israel is exploiting the reported kidnapping to weaken Palestinian reconciliation

Israel/Palestine
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Israeli soldiers patrolling Hebron during its operation to find three missing Israelis. (Photo: Israel Defense Forces/Flickr)

Israeli soldiers patrolling Hebron during its operation to find three missing Israelis. (Photo: Israel Defense Forces/Flickr)

When Hamas and Fatah struck a deal last month that resulted in an agreement for elections and a government run by “technocrats,” Israeli officials went apoplectic–at least in rhetoric.  But the government has not cut off aid to the Palestinian Authority, and is not urging the U.S. government or the European Union to cut funds.  Israel won’t be doing so anytime soon, despite calls from right-wing Israelis and Americans to do so.

The core reason why aid continues to flow to the PA can be seen in the wake of the reported abduction of three Israelis in the occupied West Bank who went missing after leaving a yeshiva.  Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has linked the abductions to the unity government.

“You remember that Israel warned the international community about the dangers of endorsing the Fatah-Hamas unity pact,” Netanyahu said in a statement on the abductions.  “I believe that the dangers of that pact now should be abundantly clear to all.”

But if Netanyahu really believed Mahmoud Abbas was responsible for the reported abductions, Israel’s government would have stopped transferring cash to the PA’s coffers. They have not.

In fact, PA security forces are working closely together with the Israeli troops that have ransacked homes and arrested hundreds of people alleged to be members of Hamas, as well as others with no affiliation to the movement.  The close coordination has always been the rub in the unity pact. How do you reconcile factions when one faction is working with an occupation force bent on destroying the other faction?

The PA-Israeli security coordination that is targeting Hamas is weakening the unity pact–which may be Israel’s real goal in carrying out such a wild military operation that has reached into major cities far away from the Hebron-area where the teens are said to have been taken from.

Late last week, an Israeli military official told the New York Times’ Isabel Kershner that “ongoing security coordination” with the PA was continuing.  Today, Abbas defended the security coordination in front of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation as “in our interest and for our protection.”

The trouble with Abbas’ statements is that it has become increasingly clear that Israel is exploiting the opportunity to strike a major blow at Hamas, which has denied carrying out the kidnappings.  Former Israeli intelligence officials have explicitly contradicted Netanyahu’s claims that Hamas is the party responsible.

“There have been no facts presented to the public that they have been abducted by Hamas, so we need the correct information,” former Mossad official Rami Igra told the Jerusalem Post. Igra added that Netanyahu’s claims are “more political than based on fact.”  The doubts about Hamas’ involvement–or at least doubts that an order to kidnap came from high-level Hamas officials, and not from a rogue faction–haven’t stopped PA officials from floating the possibility that they will cut off the unity pact.

So the Palestinian Authority is cooperating with an Israeli operation bent on destroying Hamas’ political and economic infrastructure.  This is no surprise. It is in the PA’s narrow self-interest to do so.  Israel and the West would squeeze the PA if security coordination was halted, since close cooperation is the key reason why the West Bank has been so quiet in recent years even as Israel has escalated its killings and settlement building.

The consequence of the security coordination is that Hamas and the PA are devolving into open recriminations.  “Abbas’ statements about the security coordination are unjustifiable and they harm the Palestinian reconciliation and they are against the Palestinian consensus,” Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told the New York Times today, in response to Abbas’ statements praising security cooperation with Israel.

Increasingly, the “harming” of Palestinian reconciliation seems to be the point of the Israeli raids.

“Their overall goal is to keep us divided and weak,” Palestinian legislator Mustafa Barghouthi, who helped bring about Hamas-Fatah reconciliation, told VICE News’ Dylan Collins.  Arresting hundreds of known Hamas members, with the help of the PA, is a good way to do that.

135 Responses

  1. Justpassingby
    June 18, 2014, 2:32 pm

    This is of course planned by Israel, they hate peace and cant accept palestinians being unified.
    The puppet abbas have already condemned Hamas, why? Because netanyahu told him to do that. Without any proof of kidnapping and any Hamas connection.

    • thetruthhurts
      June 18, 2014, 6:39 pm

      the hypocrisy is beyond comprension. israel is the terrorist organization that we should stop funding.

    • halfinhalf
      June 19, 2014, 9:01 am

      So you support Hamas? You support an organization that has publicly supported the kidnapping of these boys and called for further kidnapping? Forget the details of who did it. Hamas came out in support of a kidnapping!!!!! That is evil. Kidnapping is bad everywhere no matter what. Children should NEVER be used as pieces in some sick political game. And Hamas has done that. And you support it. Explain that to me. Here’s the link of a Hamas official supporting the kidnappings if you need proof (which you shouldnt): link to youtube.com

      • James North
        June 19, 2014, 9:12 am

        Shift change at Hasbara Central.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 9:14 am

        2 newbies.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 9:17 am

        “That is evil. Kidnapping is bad everywhere no matter what. Children should NEVER be used as pieces in some sick political game.”

        Exactly. So I will assume that you do not support the government of Israel’s practice of kidnapping Palestinians on a daily basis. Right?

      • Shmuel
        June 19, 2014, 9:36 am

        So I will assume that you do not support the government of Israel’s practice of kidnapping Palestinians on a daily basis. Right?

        In the first ten days of June, seventeen teenage boys were abducted in the occupied West Bank. The youngest was thirteen, the oldest seventeen.

        Some were dragged at gunpoint from their homes and family in the middle of the night; others were seized from the streets in broad daylight.

        All of the abductions were documented by the Palestinian Monitoring Group.

        the seventeen Palestinian boys seized by heavily armed Israeli soldiers will disappear into the same silent black hole as all the other Palestinian children taken on an almost daily basis by the occupation forces.

        Some will be detained for days, weeks, or months, beaten, interrogated and then released. Others, however young, will find themselves put through Israel’s military courts and jailed, often on the basis of coerced confessions.

        According to the rights group Addameer, there are currently approximately two hundred Palestinian children being held in Israeli jails. Some of those children will suffer periods in solitary confinement; all are at risk of physical abuse amounting to torture.

        link to electronicintifada.net

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 10:53 am

        “You support an organization that has publicly supported the kidnapping of these boys and called for further kidnapping?”

        FFS. Jewish Israelis are full square behind the policy of administrative detention of Palestinian minors, which is state sponsored kidnapping.

        We are supposed to be outraged at Hamas because of
        a)kidnapping
        b) “targeting” civilians
        c) use of violence as a strategy

        We must therefore support the IDF, whose tactics include
        a)kidnapping
        b) Targeting civilians
        c) use of violence as a strategy

        Give us a break

      • weiss
        June 19, 2014, 2:16 pm

        The UNICEF report on IDF torture of Children comes to mind…

        Care to comment on that FACT, or are you only able to see one side of the mirror?

        The mirror reflects BOTH ways…

      • Kay24
        June 19, 2014, 5:43 pm

        We do not have ANY proof that it is a kidnapping so far. Only Israel’s claim, and no one really believes what Israel says. No eye witnesses, or videos, to support what Israel says.
        Kidnapping is bad, but tell us here, what do YOU think of the two Palestinian kids who were killed brutally by Israeli snipers? Let’s see, we had two independent videos of the kids being shot, another couple of views of the criminals shooting at them (lying that they were rubber bullets) eye witnesses including the media, and now an autopsy in front of medical officers including from Israel, supporting the theory that they were indeed shot and not by rubber bullets. It seems NO ONE from Israel, including it’s PM condemned those killings, in fact that shows they SUPPORT these brutal murders.
        On the subject of kidnappings, how about the hundreds of Palestinian kids, some as young as 12 years, being kidnapped in the middle of the night from their beds (not hitchhiking in no man’s land) and dumped in Israeli dungeons, and according to Human Rights agencies ABUSED and ill treated? Not good eh? You guys are great at dishing out, but cannot take it in return. What outrage!

  2. just
    June 18, 2014, 3:05 pm

    Yes, yes and yes. Thanks for this well- written account, Alex.

    I can pass this around to the people who still have a hard time accepting facts.

  3. concernedhuman
    June 18, 2014, 3:15 pm

    Abbas is doing the dangerous balancing between the US/Israel and the Hamas appeasing them both is difficult.
    Its already time for Abbas to step down, he is neither joining ICC nor stopping israel from terrorizing his people .

    • Accentitude
      June 19, 2014, 3:07 am

      Well the purpose of the “unity government” was to prepare for elections which are scheduled to occur in 6 months (now 5). Abbas has already stated that he would not run for presidency again and that after this election, his political career is over. However, we’ve done this dance before and elections didn’t happen and Abbas is still here. So I don’t hold much merit in what the PA government intends to do anymore. As long as Abbas is the preferred man by U.S. & Israel, I don’t see him stepping down or retiring anytime soon. I could easily see him taking on a long-term dictatorship role much like the late Gadaffi or Mubarak. Luckily, he’s in his 70s and probably won’t last very long. Even if there were elections and Abbas didn’t drop his name in the list of runners, I couldn’t imagine who would be a worthy candidate? Mohammad Dahlan? God save us all if he is ever in power. If you think the PA are corrupt, Dahlan is as down right slimy as they come.

      Whomever would take on the role of President would have to tow the U.S./Israeli line otherwise his government would not be recognized and we’d have a repeat of the Hamas/Fatah War or something similar to it all over again.

  4. James North
    June 18, 2014, 3:22 pm

    Normally, I dismiss conspiracy theories and think they are a serious obstacle to change in the Middle East. But Alex’s effective report at least makes me wonder if this alleged kidnapping is not just a little bit too perfectly timed.

    • amigo
      June 18, 2014, 3:36 pm

      Haaretz is reporting that the alledgedly kidnapped youths made a two minute call.

      So,just what were the alledged kidnappers doing as this call was in progress.

      The kidnapping story is full of holes.

      Israeli authorities claim they will release the tape of the phone call????.

      After editing , I presume.

      • just
        June 18, 2014, 4:33 pm

        amigo– is this the report you write of?

        “7:04 P.M. The families of the three kidnapped boys listened to the full two-minute recording of the distress call made by one of the boys on the eve of the kidnapping.

        A civilian source who listened to a recording of the call said the teen’s words, while said quickly and in a whisper, were clear and comprehensible. After the hotline operator answers, the boy is heard saying “I have been kidnapped.”

        Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovich earlier today called criticism of the police hotline justified. He also said the teen’s call was difficult to understand, and promised to have it made public. (Haaretz) ”

        link to haaretz.com

        Huh??? 2 minutes? One civilian can understand the clear words, the Minister cannot……….

      • amigo
        June 18, 2014, 4:46 pm

        “amigo– is this the report you write of?” just.

        Yes but I posted that from my mobile phone and cannot copy and paste links,(training in progress) as yet.I do not have that prblem when using my laptop.

        Thanks for providing link.

        The zionists trip themselves up almost every time they publish an article as the left hand knows not what the right hand is doing.

      • LeaNder
        June 19, 2014, 12:39 pm

        One civilian can understand the clear words, the Minister cannot……….

        I haven’t looked much into this. But there was also a perceivable delay in the search. Soo Aharonovich maybe is trying to explain it by not having been able to understand clearly. Or alternatively maybe possible clues to location were not clear. Whatever.

        I agree with James, the timing is odd. On the other hand one could simply exploit the event to do something much faster than initially planned. How many released prisoners are arrested again? Maybe not the speed but the general routine feels a bit like business as usual.

      • a blah chick
        June 18, 2014, 5:39 pm

        Wait a dang gone minute, there was a TWO minute call to the police!?

        You can say a lot in 2 minutes, like “they say they’re Hamas” or “they’re Arabs from Hebron” or something informative. Give me a break. I’m not big on conspiracy theories but, come on, this is getting really weird.

        How about a serial killer. Hell, it’s just as plausible as anything else offered.

      • piotr
        June 19, 2014, 8:08 am

        Exactly. There is quite a bit more of ordinary crimes than terrorism. There is a also a theme that “IDF prevented/thwarted 10/20/30 kidnappings” but not so much on trials of thwarted kidnappers.

      • LeaNder
        June 19, 2014, 12:43 pm

        piotr, the phone call theme had a “subtheme”, at least in the two articles I read: there was a noticeable delay between the supposed call by one of the boys and the start of the search. Could this be related. Look, we may not have our very, very best in this instance but most of the time you are not even aware of what we do since …

      • marc b.
        June 18, 2014, 9:43 pm

        Israeli police sent advisors to boston immediately after the marathon bombing, which Ron Dermer, advisor to Netanyahu, described as an event that would bring Americans and Israelis even closer. Boston and this event . . . Martial law.

      • just
        June 18, 2014, 10:42 pm

        It didn’t, and it won’t. Neither Israel nor the US has cornered the market on being the victim of endless suffering.

        Rather, we both have caused much horror and misery to others. It’s past time for honest self- examination. We need to smash the status quo. This inviolable ‘alliance’ is deadly and dangerous for too many.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 18, 2014, 3:48 pm

      The idea that 3 Israelis could dissappear without trace, right under the noses of the Israeli security forces, is itself a ‘conspiracy theory’.

      • seafoid
        June 18, 2014, 4:30 pm

        In area c under full idf control

      • Kay24
        June 18, 2014, 4:44 pm

        I agree. Now take the case of the 2 Palestinians kids who were killed recently – there were 2 independent video tapes, eye witnesses, and some media right there. Yet, no one has shown outrage, arrested the criminals, or condemned the murders from the Israeli side.

      • amigo
        June 18, 2014, 4:53 pm

        “Yet, no one has shown outrage, arrested the criminals, or condemned the murders from the Israeli side.” Kay24

        You ask too much.Nietanyahu is already putting in 24 hours a day lying about Hamas and denigrating Abbas and calling all Palestinians terrorists and worrying his little head off about three alledgedly kidnapped “Jewish Teens”.

        An operation such as “operation destroy the Unity Government” takes enormous planning and attention to detail.Digression to minutiae is not in the plans.

        Tone down your demands.

      • Tzombo
        June 19, 2014, 9:52 am

        HRW of all ngo’s has accused the Israelis of intimidating a witness: link to hrw.org

      • Bumblebye
        June 19, 2014, 11:26 am

        From your link – the shop owner whose security cameras captured the murders:

        “Zayed said:

        At Ofer I was taken into a room that had several captains. They told me that the video I gave to the press was fabricated, that everything I said and all my testimonies are a lie, that this is a serious violation of the law, and that I made the IDF look bad and caused a lot of problems. They told me the cameras need to be brought down within 24 hours. They were all speaking, and I had no chance to respond. There were so many threats. They said it as though they were going to turn the law against me. One of the captains told me: “We will crush you, according to the law.” There were many threats against my family. They told me that I was up against a very powerful force, and I am very small. One of them said, “We will squish you like a bug, you are nothing.” There were no direct violent threats, except when I left that room, one of the soldiers told me that they will unleash dogs on my children.

        At 5:45 p.m., Israeli forces drove Zayed back to his building, he said.”

        And theft of all the other security cameras and equipment:

        “Israeli forces had visited Zayed previously and confiscated the DVR equipment that records footage from Zayed’s security cameras as well as his computer. Soldiers and an officer first came to Zayed’s building on May 22, the same day CNN published its own video footage showing one of the Israeli border police firing toward the location where Nawareh was killed, and seconds later, a group of Palestinians carrying him towards an ambulance.

        The officer commanding the Israeli forces who confiscated the recording material refused Zayed’s request to give him a receipt. The Israeli commander “Sabri” and border police returned to Zayed’s home at 8 a.m. on June 13 and asked again for the DVR equipment. “I said they’d already taken it, so they went around the entire neighborhood, the whole street, and took all the neighbors’ recording equipment too. They left nothing. I can’t record anything and neither can the others,” Zayed told Human Rights Watch.

        Taken together, the military’s confiscation of equipment weeks after the killing and its refusal to provide receipts to owners, Israeli officials’ repeated public claims that video footage was doctored without providing any evidence, and military investigators’ alleged remarks while berating Zayed for recording the shootings, raise concerns that the military is not conducting a good faith investigation into the killings.”

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 11:44 am

        Thanks Tzombo.

        “Taken together, the military’s confiscation of equipment weeks after the killing and its refusal to provide receipts to owners, Israeli officials’ repeated public claims that video footage was doctored without providing any evidence, and military investigators’ alleged remarks while berating Zayed for recording the shootings, raise concerns that the military is not conducting a good faith investigation into the killings.””

        This statement might just win a Pulitzer for Understatement of the Year.

        When in history has the IOF operated in good faith or conducted any investigation of its own that merited any trustworthiness?

    • German Lefty
      June 18, 2014, 4:09 pm

      Right! I totally agree.

    • halfinhalf
      June 19, 2014, 9:06 am

      Um, are you serious? This is a conspiracy theory if I’ve ever seen one. What’s with “alleged” kidnapping? They were kidnapped. Not “allegedly”.
      Here’s a new spin on his take: Israel didn’t stage the kidnapping out of protest for the Hamas-PA unity government.
      The kidnapping happened BECAUSE of the Hama-PA unity government. Hamas has been calling for its members to kidnap Israelis for months. So now that Hamas has been legitimized by Abbas, Hamas members felt they could act on this calling and kidnap children. The kidnapping is a Hamas response to the unity government, not an Israeli response. The timing works out well for Israel (not that having its members kidnapped can be described as anything positive) because Hamas has been emboldened.

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 11:17 am

        “Um, are you serious? This is a conspiracy theory if I’ve ever seen one. What’s with “alleged” kidnapping? They were kidnapped. Not “allegedly”.”halfinhalfout

        Proof (credible) please or shut up.

      • piotr
        June 19, 2014, 7:45 pm

        halfinhalf should pay attention to alternative theories. For example, learned Rav Dov Lior attributes the kidnapping to the divine displeasure with legislation that were detrimental to Torah scholarship, family welfare and participation in the peace negotiations. I would add a ridiculous increase in the liquor tax. (In my country the story of Noah is viewed as the proof that G..d favors the drunks, many are Biblical literalists on that point.)

  5. a blah chick
    June 18, 2014, 4:18 pm

    Don’t ya just love the multicultural oppression in that picture!

    • Daniel Rich
      June 18, 2014, 4:47 pm

      @ a blah chick,

      Q; Don’t ya just love the multicultural oppression in that picture!

      R: Some need 50 shades of green to blend in, but let’s not call a spade a spade, shall we?

      I guess this is what a ‘bad cop, bad cop’ routine looks like?

  6. Annie Robbins
    June 18, 2014, 4:25 pm

    Israeli officials went apoplectic–at least in rhetoric.

    more than just rhetorically! we captured a number of the PM’s tweets link to mondoweiss.net

    Now here is some of Netanyahu’s bloodcurdling tweeting on the subject:

    • Kay24
      June 18, 2014, 4:54 pm

      Bibi is either delusional, ignorant, or a liar (oh yes, he was called one by another leader), he may put out these disgusting tweets, but someone should remind him the IDF is notorious for being cowards who use Palestinian kids as human shields too.
      link to haaretz.com

      Would he be “thrilled ” if the Palestinians tweeted that the IDF has Murdered thousands of Palestinians too, and have hundreds of Palestinian children in jail?

    • a blah chick
      June 18, 2014, 5:47 pm

      The only pictures I have ever seen of people being used as human shields is by the IDF. Their own judiciary as called them on it and they just keep doing it.

      • piotr
        June 19, 2014, 8:11 am

        I really makes no sense to use “human shields” against a force that frequently kills civilians.

  7. seafoid
    June 18, 2014, 4:32 pm

    I think this might ultimately be the end of the road for Abbas. Israel does divide and conquer well but the Palestinians have vampire garlic at the ICC. And 3 missing settlers, even if they are dead, are nothing in the big picture of how fucked Israel is. Their end game is still the same crap -apartheid backed up by Hashoah. Forever.

  8. Kay24
    June 18, 2014, 4:39 pm

    The collective punishment, and the arrest and attack on Hamas members, is obviously a much waited for opportunity for Israel, when the 3 kids were “supposedly” kidnapped.
    Abbas is disappointing, he perhaps does not know what happened to these boys, but seem to go along with orders from Tel Aviv. A Haaretz article says Bibi the bully is putting Abbas in a very delicate position, by calling the shots:

    Netanyahu says Abbas will be judged by efforts to return teens.

    link to haaretz.com

    What a joke. Is Bibi so intellectually challenged, that he does not know the rest of the world (not the US Congress, of course) have already judged HIM, and he looks like a hateful warmonger, who lies, and whines when things don’t go the way HE wants it to?

    Bibi Netanyahu has been judged for the deaths of innocent civilians going on almost daily, and recently during the Nakba commemoration, so he is in no position to caution Abbas.

  9. Daniel Rich
    June 18, 2014, 4:42 pm

    The Apartheid State is as much at home at a peace conference as the Antichrist in a church. Oh, Jesus… Nailed it!

  10. seafoid
    June 18, 2014, 4:45 pm

    How come yonah fredman never turns up to defend israeli malevolence on threads like this? It’s always antisemitism and not listening to israel, never the systematic cruelty of the Judenstaat.

    • yonah fredman
      June 18, 2014, 4:58 pm

      seafoid- Because I read what I want to read and I say what I want to say. But not you. You only read what is good to read and you only say what is good to say.

      One of the things that I have read is today’s piece in Haaretz by Avraham Burg. What he wrote is good.

      You really need me to keep saying that Netanyahu is an idiot? That he is not interested in peace. Why do you need that seafoid? You don’t. So leave it alone. If I comment I comment if i don’t leave my name out of it. kindly, sir.

      • seafoid
        June 18, 2014, 5:08 pm

        and you only see what you want to see- I see Israel driving off the cliff. Burg is in purdah. who is going to stop the madness ? Which Israeli politician with clout is standing up to what Israel is doing today ? they are all sucked into the insanity of the Likud.

        that burg piece was good- I have hundreds such well meaning epistles in my files. Meanwhile Israel drives further and further away from good old Jewish morality.

      • Daniel Rich
        June 18, 2014, 6:01 pm

        @ seafoid,

        Q: Israel drives further and further away from good old Jewish morality.

        R: I hope it doesn’t run into a ‘T-crossing’ otherwise it’ll be ‘good old Jewish mortality’ and the ship will sink…

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 8:12 am

        “seafoid- Because I read what I want to read and I say what I want to say. But not you. You only read what is good to read and you only say what is good to say.”yonah fredman

        Hmmmm, sounds like you are both doing the same thing.(apologies to seafoid)

  11. seafoid
    June 18, 2014, 4:49 pm

    Hamas murdered hundreds of israelis. How many palestinian kids has the IDF murdered? And why are goys expected to understand that jewish fingernails are more valuable? I don’t.
    And women and children as human shields. That is the hebrew for neighbour procedure. Who actually does the turkey shooting?

  12. Daniel Rich
    June 18, 2014, 4:55 pm

    You give a child a blank canvas [that you stole from the family next door, but never mind] and you say, “Here you go. It’s all yours. Paint on it whatever you fancy, for now, after so many centuries, you finally have your own place to showcase how wrong the world always has been…”

    The child grabs the frame and takes a big dump on it, smiles and labels it, “Multicultural harmony from the inside…”

    No shit…

    When gangrene has set in, time to amputate…

  13. German Lefty
    June 18, 2014, 4:58 pm

    Thank you for the very informative article, Alex.

    I was very surprised to see this German-language article today on the SPIEGEL website: link to spiegel.de
    “Israel’s Netanyahu: Propaganda after abduction of three teenagers
    Missing teenagers: Netanyahu uses abduction for cheap propaganda
    It is not clear who abducted the three Jewish settlers in the West Bank. However, Israel’s premier Netanyahu puts the blame on Hamas – and exploits the incident propagandistically. [...] It is bitter, but politically the tragedy about the three boys comes to [Netanyahu] at just the right time.”
    The article also mentions that
    – 750,000 people in and near Hebron are under curfew
    – hundreds of men are arrested and interrogated
    – settler attacks on Palestinians increase
    – there are more and more reports about “brutal interrogation methods” and the “army’s arbitrary destruction of Palestinian houses”
    – the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem talks about a collective punishment that violates the human rights of the Palestinian population
    – the Israeli airforce attacks the Gaza Strip to destroy Hamas and “by now everyone knows what this means for the civilian population in the Gaza Strip”
    The last sentence: “As if the disappearance of the three young men were not tragic enough already.”

    A further surprise is that comments are allowed. So far, there are 8 comments. 6 are in support of the article, 2 are in support of Netanyahu. The first commenter compliments SPIEGEL on this “brave article”. Another commenter thanks SPIEGEL for “calling racism and colonialism by name”. He also writes that there’s a new generation of journalists who realise that past injustice cannot be righted by further injustice. (Could have been written by me, but it wasn’t me.) The Zionist commenters claimed that Palestinians celebrate the abduction and that Abbas has never wanted peace.

    • just
      June 18, 2014, 5:34 pm

      Great news GL! Kudos to Spiegel.

      ( I could not locate the article at the link ;(

      • German Lefty
        June 18, 2014, 5:59 pm

        I could not locate the article at the link

        I am not sure what you mean by that. The link works just fine.
        By the way, I wanted to add a comment to the SPIEGEL article but the comments section was already closed after only 8 comments. Strange.

      • just
        June 18, 2014, 8:06 pm

        Now it opens to the article….perhaps the glitch occurred when they closed the comments…..thanks, GL.

        strange.

    • jenin
      June 19, 2014, 8:52 am

      GL– funny anecdote– I was telling my boyfriend (who is Swiss) this morning about the Spiegel article you posted, and he said actually he’d read it and wrote a comment about colonialism and racism. I showed him what you wrote and he said yep, that was him.

      • German Lefty
        June 19, 2014, 11:07 am

        I showed him what you wrote and he said yep, that was him.

        Cool! This just shows how small the world is! Greetings to you and your boyfriend :-)

      • jenin
        June 19, 2014, 3:28 pm

        yes, that was what I was thinking…I was reading comments on my favorite website that, unbeknownst to me, were referring to someone sleeping in the next room!

      • ritzl
        June 19, 2014, 1:18 pm

        So cool, jenin. Well done, boyfriend person.

  14. just
    June 18, 2014, 5:25 pm

    “22:21 P.M. Spokeswoman of U.S. State Department Jen Psaki calls on Israelis, Palestinians to “show restraint during this difficult period.” ”

    link to haaretz.com

    How very unhelpful. What exactly do you mean by restraint, Jen? Because I ain’t seen none wrt Israel’s actions in the past week. Whose actually having a “difficult period”?

    • Kay24
      June 18, 2014, 5:47 pm

      Maybe they mean that the Palestinians must show restraint when they are attacked, arrested, and given collective punishment, by Israel? They should should bow down and take that punishment without protest?
      The Palestinians have shown remarkable restraint for YEARS, as their people are brutally killed, home are demolished, and land stolen.

    • a blah chick
      June 18, 2014, 5:50 pm

      This is the only way officials in DC can call out Israel, they have to show “symmetry.”

      Now, let’s all get together and tell Abbas to stop his collective punishment of the settlers.

    • Daniel Rich
      June 18, 2014, 6:06 pm

      @ just,

      Don’t you get it? When attacked by a bear, play dead… don’t fight it.

      Oh, this is not the Russian forum? Oops…

  15. just
    June 18, 2014, 6:17 pm

    Aha! Now I know why they think that Palestinians can “pose as settlers”!

    “NABLUS (Ma’an) — Israeli special forces dressed as Arabs on Wednesday detained a Palestinian who was previously freed in a prisoner exchange deal during a raid on Balata refugee camp east of Nablus.

    Local security sources told Ma’an that Israeli forces raided the camp in a Mitsubishi car and detained Mahdi Shukri al-Assi, 34, in an alley in the camp.

    Israeli forces had raided al-Assi’s house on Wednesday at dawn, locals said, but he was not home at the time.

    A number of Israeli special force units known as mistaaravim specialize in dressing up as “Arabs” during raids in Palestinian areas so as not to attract attention.”

    link to maannews.net

    Do they disguise their weapons too? How do you dress as an “Arab”, anyway?

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 18, 2014, 6:37 pm

      “A number of Israeli special force units known as mistaaravim specialize in dressing up as ‘Arabs’ during raids in Palestinian areas so as not to attract attention.”

      I think that there’s a better than average chance that the last time that a bunch of IOF special forces terrorists dressed as “Arabs” was a week ago when these three settlers disappeared. In about a week, or so, when Netanyahoo has finished oppressing the Palestinians public and arresting Hamas members the three are “rescued,” I think we might find that those particular “Arabs” that “kidnapped” them are nowhere to be found. The only surprise I foresee is whether they say that the “Arabs” all escaped or whether the IOF is going to just murder some random Palestinian and parade his body as the “kidnapper.” (I think the odds on that are 50-50.)

      • just
        June 18, 2014, 8:09 pm

        perhaps. And they torched the Israeli licensed car that they had been driving…….

        they’ve already murdered a couple of Palestinians this week…

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 7:48 am

        “Breaking the Silence represents only an insignificant minority of IDF veterans (less than 1,000).”

        The tragedy of modern Judaism.

    • iResistDe4iAm
      June 19, 2014, 8:18 am

      Here are some examples of how Israeli forces dress up as Arabs in order to arrest or kill Palestinians…

      “An undercover Israeli police officer dressed as a Palestinian woman opened a car door after helping detain a Palestinian protester.”
      link to nytimes.com

      “Dozens of Palestinians have been wounded in clashes with undercover Israeli troops disguised as vegetable vendors. The discovery of a small commando unit conducting arrests in the West Bank outraged locals forcing the regular army to use tear gas.”
      link to rt.com

  16. pipistro
    June 18, 2014, 6:30 pm

    PM of Israel @IsraeliPM · Jun 18
    #BringBackOurBombs

  17. a blah chick
    June 18, 2014, 7:58 pm

    More unsolicited observations.

    Apparently the police did not respond immediately to the call because they thought it was a prank. Which got me to thinking, why did they think it was a prank? Do the police there get a lot of prank calls? What kind of prank calls? Are these prank calls being investigated? Are the culprits being pursued? Is the common theme of said pranks kidnapping?

    The fact that they did not send car for almost an hour indicates that they did not at first think this was a big deal. Again the question is why? Shouldn’t law enforcement ere on the side of caution, especially in such a tense place as Hebron? Or have the settlers strained their relationship with the police and some of the military personnel that they cannot count on some of them any more? That’s the other thing that no one is talking about: how ungrateful the settlers are to the protection they receive. These people are allowed to run loose, shooting, burning, looting, and no one tries to stop them. Is it any wonder the locals might want to get even or that some of the police might not care if a few go missing? Someone in the Yitzhar settlement slashed the tires of a senior IDF honcho a few days ago. Would you break you butt to find the kids of such people?

    And when the bodies are found will we ever know what really happened?

    • piotr
      June 18, 2014, 11:34 pm

      The police started to act only when one of the father made a ruckus 5 hours after the call. One hour delay could simply mean that police suspected that the culprits were armed, but that make sense only when the precise location is known, like robbery in progress reported by the neighbors.

      Settlers in Yitzhar are “under occupation” because of slashing of tires of a car of an officer about a month ago. IDF demolished some buildings (I thing that they could be trailers without permits) and occupies a yeshiva, and the locals show their unhappiness in a variety of ways. This time the army brought some portable toilets (no facilities in the occupied yeshiva??) on a flat trailer, and a tire of that trailer was slashed. With more sense of humor, settlers should sabotage the toilets.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 19, 2014, 5:13 pm

        Am I the only one slightly sceptical about the ‘emergency call’? Shouldn’t a professional know the difference between a ‘prank’ call and the real thing, and err on the side of assuming it was real? Surely the caller sounded distressed. Wouldn’t that be enough? It’s not like this was some ten year old kids sniggering together. Plus, they’re now saying the call was TWO minutes long! You can say a lot in that time – give details of your wheareabouts, say what happened etc. And it would certainly be enough time for the police to trace the call. With modern technology, surely a two-minute call would allow you to trace it with some accuracy. And remember this is high-tech Israel ‘start-up nation’ itself, that we’re talking about.

        But why would the police lie? It hardly makes them look good, does it? No, but it’s the only ‘evidence’ we have thus far of a kidnap. Without it, they really have nothing. Just a few lads who went ‘hiking’ and disappeared. Not that the Israelis need evidence when it comes to Palestinians, but still.

  18. piotr
    June 18, 2014, 11:17 pm

    Clearly, IDF conducts a vigorous investigation, and it is worth to know what is normal in such investigations. Today’s ynetnews.com:

    Almost a month and a half after [19 years old] Shelly Dadon was found dead in an parking lot in the northern town of Migdal HaEmak, the police has released six Israeli-Arabs arrested in wake of the incident.

    Further down, the family became optimistic that the real culprit will be found, apparently, police got some concrete leads so they could release the “usual suspects” who by some strange coincidence were all Arab citizens (probability 1/5 to power 6, something like 1 in 16 thousands). Thus one the west of the “green line” arresting Arabs means “we have no idea who did it”. So what can we conclude from searches performed in all West Bank cities with exception of Jericho? “We do not have a faintest clue”.

    • just
      June 18, 2014, 11:27 pm

      Check.

    • a blah chick
      June 19, 2014, 8:36 am

      Are the police still claiming this was a terror or hate crime? They must surely know that 9 times out of 10 when a person is murdered it’s by someone they know.

  19. Pixel
    June 19, 2014, 3:40 am

    .
    I don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

    …except the ones that are true.

  20. NickJOCW
    June 19, 2014, 4:50 am

    It is worrying that if this is not a Hamas kidnap, then the perpetrators may panic at the extraordinary level of Israeli response, and the kids lives may be further endangered.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 19, 2014, 5:56 am

      That’s exactly what I was going to say.

      I’m no expert, but isn’t one of the hallmarks of hostage rescue a ‘softly softly’ approach? ie, you avoid over antagonising the captors in case they go for broke and kill the hostages. But that would imply a tam which a) are prepared to treat the potential kidnappers with respect, but of course we all know Israel doesn’t do negotiaiton with Ayrabs, and b)actually cares about getting the hostages back alive, but it’s been clear that this is more of a political exercise than a hostage rescue and c) knows where the hostages are and who took them.

      The official story looked dodgy from the start, and a week on, is looking increasingly implausible. What kind of kidnappers don’t bother to issue a ransom demand one week on? When Shalit was captured, Hamas let us know pretty much straight away.

      Anyone who buys this is either indoctrinated or stupid. Possibly both.

  21. amigo
    June 19, 2014, 6:52 am

    The Irish times has a very revealing from piece today”Breaking the silence”..Sure to piss off our Irish apologists and the folks at the Israeli Embassy in Dublin.Breaking the silence is displaying many photos showing IDF thugs abusing Palestinian , men , women and children.

    ” Asked to comment, a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Dublin said: “Breaking the Silence represents only an insignificant minority of IDF veterans (less than 1,000). It is not an objective human rights organization. It is a political organization devoted to tarnishing the reputation of the Israeli Defence Forces and, by extension, the Israeli state.

    “Breaking the Silence are ‘useful idiots’ allowing themselves to be manipulated by the international boycott, divestment, sanctions campaign against Israel. It seeks to delegitimise and ultimately destroy the state of Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish people.”

    “http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-speak-out-on-abuse-of-palestinians-1.1837193″

    • just
      June 19, 2014, 7:39 am

      Disgusting statement by the ‘spokesman’, amigo. Thanks for sharing the article. The video is very good.

      Hopefully many folks will go and see the exhibition.

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 8:36 am

        “Hopefully many folks will go and see the exhibition.” just

        I need a day out so I will make the trip.Just 1.5 hrs by train.

        I am looking forward to thanking this brave Jewish soldier for his contribution to bringing the truth to those who are usually informed by liars and propagandists like those who inhabit the Israeli Embassy in Dublin.The same Embassy they used as a base for stealing the passports of Irish Citizens with which to carry out illegal assassinations.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 9:08 am

        I remember the expulsion… 2010

        “DUBLIN — Ireland announced Tuesday it’s expelling an Israeli embassy official in punishment for the alleged Mossad use of forged Irish passports to assassinate a top Hamas militant in Dubai, further damaging strained Irish-Israeli relations.

        Israel has refused to confirm or deny its agents’ involvement in the January slaying of Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Dubai police said Israeli agents posing as holidaymakers in the oil-rich Arab emirate killed Mabhouh in his hotel room.

        They said assassins using 32 fake passports – including eight depicting fictional Irish citizens – participated in the hit squad. The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs and Ireland’s national police force, the Garda Siochana, launched parallel investigations, but said their appeals for information from Israel fell on deaf ears.”

        link to huffingtonpost.com

        Have a good trip, amigo. A very fine way to spend a day out.

    • a blah chick
      June 19, 2014, 8:33 am

      “Breaking the Silence … is not an objective human rights organization.”

      Human rights organization are not suppose to be objective. They document abuses.

      Isn’t this the one headed by that crazy Israeli power couple? I believe they’re the ones that put out that Christmas “greeting” last year that said if Mary and Joseph lived in Bethleham today they would be lynched.

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 9:08 am

        “Isn’t this the one headed by that crazy Israeli power couple? I believe they’re the ones that put out that Christmas “greeting” last year that said if Mary and Joseph lived in Bethleham today they would be lynched.”abc

        Yup, known as Mr Boaz ,(constrictor ) Modai and Tinari Modai.It may not be them.They have an Irish “Patsy” by the name of Dr Derek Flynn who is their paid propagandist and is the filter for Israeli spin and misinformation.

  22. piotr
    June 19, 2014, 7:46 am

    Results of a very sloppy press review.

    Were the innocent victims prudent? A young hitchhiking settler reader claimed that he never does it without pepper spray in the pocket, and that once he fended off a guy who exposed himself. It is a sad fact that sexual predators and even worse maniacs do exists, one of them presumably killed Shelly Dadon in Migdal HaEmak. If I were one of them, I would probably invite the teens to eat or drink something and slip a “rape drug” sleeping pill. The last one awake could figure something is amiss and make a phone call before getting a whack. Yawning message would not sound serious.

    Can a government show restraint in the face of undeniable kidnapping? Yes! Government of Turkey claimed that it does everything possible to secure for the sake of 80 kidnapped Turks (but nobody knows what it is) and chided the opposition attempt to capitalize on the sad event.

    Does the Prime Minister have any motivation to go over the top on the issue of what some articles call “putative kidnapping”? Asher Schechter of Ha’aretz is connecting the dots.

    According to the complaint, a senior official at the Prime Minister’s office ordered new garden furniture for the prime minister’s official residence that was identical to the furniture in Netanyahu’s villa in Caesarea. Then, there was a switcheroo: the new furniture was delivered to Caesarea, while the old one went to the official resident in Jerusalem – albeit freshly painted.

    Thus, allegedly, the Netanyahus’ got new garden furniture worth up to 30,000 shekels, on the taxpayers’ dime.

    On the past occasions there was considerably larger public interest, even though the amount of money is larger than in the case of “ice cream budget”. Why?

    It could, of course, be the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens. At times of crisis Israelis tend to set aside corruption concerns and band together behind the prime minister. It could be that the story of the garden chairs’ switcheroo would have spawned public outrage and comedy gold if it hadn’t been swallowed by the week’s events.

  23. philliyfanbo
    June 19, 2014, 8:24 am

    So lets get this straight. 3 Israeli boys are kidnapped and the harshest criticism goes to Israel? Not Hamas- which whether or not they carried out this kidnapping, they have kidnapped and attempted to kidnap Israelis in the past, are still bent on destroying Israel and is a terrorist organization; Not the PA- who posted on their Facebook page the day after the kidnapping to all the people who live in the Hebron area to delete their security camera records in order to complicate the search, thus making them an accomplice to the kidnapping.
    That’s right. It’s Israels fault for defending itself. It’s Israels fault for actually caring about the lives of its citizens. It’s Israels fault for not agreeing to a government that includes members who are bent on its destruction.
    Either get a clue, or stop the double standard. Or both

    • just
      June 19, 2014, 8:42 am

      Israel is not “defending itself”. It is committing war crimes by its collective punishment on the whole population of the OPT.

      Perhaps you might want to “get a clue”. There is an “alleged” kidnapping. I hope the young men are safe.

      • philliyfanbo
        June 19, 2014, 9:10 am

        alleged. right. because the boys called the police saying that they were kidnapped. i guess you also didnt read my comment above about the PA Facebook page. but other than that there is no evidence to support the fact that 3 perfectly healthy and capable boys disappeared by being abducted

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 19, 2014, 9:51 am

        “alleged. right.”

        Yes, alleged. Because unlike in your Zionist hellhole, here in the civilized world, we frown upon the process of prejudicially blaming a minority for a crime without clear evidence that they committed it. But this disappearance lets the Judeofascists stomp on a few Palestinian heads, so that’s cool with you, eh?

      • Antidote
        June 19, 2014, 10:49 pm

        “Because unlike in your Zionist hellhole, here in the civilized world, we frown upon the process of prejudicially blaming a minority for a crime without clear evidence that they committed it. But this disappearance lets the Judeofascists stomp on a few Palestinian heads, so that’s cool with you, eh?”

        Oh please. It’s one thing to criticize Netanyahu who apparently is – once again – not wasting a crisis. It’s quite another to claim moral and cultural superiority from your neck of the woods. Is that not rather the original sin of the “judeofascist” as the target of your rant?

        How long did it take in your “civilized world” for your president, and much of the country, to lay the blame for 9/11 on AQ and Muslims, and embark on a crusade and two major wars in the ME?

        “what happened at President Bush’s very first National Security Council meeting is one of O’Neill’s most startling revelations. “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic “A” 10 days after the inauguration – eight months before Sept. 11.
        “From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.” As treasury secretary, O’Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as “Why Saddam?” and “Why now?” were never asked. “It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this,'” says O’Neill. “For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.” [...]
        He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. “There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, ‘Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'” adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. Based on his interviews with O’Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq’s oil wealth.
        He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts,” which includes a map of potential areas for exploration. “It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions,” says Suskind. “On oil in Iraq.” During the campaign, candidate Bush had criticized the Clinton-Gore Administration for being too interventionist: “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road. And I’m going to prevent that.”

        “The thing that’s most surprising, I think, is how emphatically, from the very first, the administration had said ‘X’ during the campaign, but from the first day was often doing ‘Y,'” says Suskind. “Not just saying ‘Y,’ but actively moving toward the opposite of what they had said during the election.”

        link to cbsnews.com

        There were no terrorists in Iraq in 2003. But they are there now.

        “Many philosophers often fuse together drone warfare and the war on terror and ponder whether either qualifies as a just war. In reference to Kosovo where Serbs still actually fired air defenses, Michael Ignatieff observed that “a war ceases to be just when it becomes a turkey shoot.” The ethical disconnect of the American kill list in non-combat zones within countries with which the US is not at war troubles many, particularly with the permissive aspect of drone use in such asymmetric settings. Christian Enemark wonders whether just war is obsolete when risk is transferred from combatants to non-combatants in non-combat territories that lead to more terrorism [...].

        James DeShaw Rae. Analyzing the Drone Debates (2014)

        seafoid asks:

        “Hamas murdered hundreds of israelis. How many palestinian kids has the IDF murdered? And why are goys expected to understand that jewish fingernails are more valuable? I don’t.
        And women and children as human shields. That is the hebrew for neighbour procedure. Who actually does the turkey shooting?”

        I don’t understand why American lives are more valuable than other peoples’ lives either. Do you, or seafoid?

        Turkey shoots are, in fact, an old American custom. 3 out of 4 prominent military examples, targeting humans rather than turkeys, listed on the Wikipedia article on TS were conducted by the US army, 1 by Israel. There are many more examples in military history but I don’t think a more complete list would seriously challenge that ratio.

        So much for your superior civilization.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 20, 2014, 8:01 am

        Antidote, my statement should have phrased as “among civilized people” as George Bush was ad much of a war criminal as Netanyahoo and the other Judeofascists in his government.

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 10:15 am

        Maybe they went to Superland, Philly. They are Jewish so of course they would have been allowed in.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 19, 2014, 11:19 am

        ”alleged. right. because the boys called the police saying that they were kidnapped.”

        Yeah, and the Israeli police were so busy watching the World Cup that they couldn’t be bothered following up on this ‘kidnapping’.

        But I suppose that’s the Palestinians’ fault too?

    • a blah chick
      June 19, 2014, 8:52 am

      They disappeared in Area C, which is under COMPLETE Israeli control.

      So let me get this straight, Israel controls this area, does not allow the PA or Hamas to operate there and you want to blame Palestinians for not keeping Israelis safe in an area Israel controls?

      “That’s right. It’s Israels fault for not agreeing to a government that includes members who are bent on its destruction.”

      Apparently you believe it is okay for Israeli Jews to vote for people who openly call for the expulsion or killing of Palestinians, but Palestinians must choose leaders that you approve of. Either get a clue or stop the double standard. Or both.

      • philliyfanbo
        June 19, 2014, 9:29 am

        governments also do not allow people to speed in areas they control. does that stop them? no. do palestinians have access to area C? yes. do they have access to areas over the green line? you bet. i am not saying that palestinians are supposed to keep israelis safe in area C. that is the israeli polices job and they shouldnt be prevented from doing it. but just because they control area C, doesnt mean they can stop every attack, kidnapping or whatnot from happening.
        also, which Israeli leaders call for the killing of palestinians? please do enlighten me. palestinians must choose leaders who are willing to make peace with Israel, unless they choose all out war with Israel. in case you forgot, hamas was the last elected party of the PA (not that fatah is all that moderate), and they are not the biggest supporters of negotiations with Israel

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 19, 2014, 9:56 am

        “which Israeli leaders call for the killing of palestinians?”

        israeli leaders have been calling for the killing of Palestinians since the beginning. They use other terms to describe the ethnic cleansing, and phrase it as if they are acting defensively, but they praise the religious loonies who call for it, and reelect the political loonies who call for it.

        “palestinians must choose leaders who are willing to make peace with Israel,”

        LMAO. The problem is that the jews don’t pick leaders who are willing to make peace with Palestine. The Arab Peace Plan (a comprehensive plan that is more generous to the zionists than they deserve) has been ignored by the israelis and they insist on including poison in every “peace offer” they make because they don’t want peace, they want the land of Palestine wiped clean of its sole rightful owners, the Palestinians.

      • piotr
        June 19, 2014, 7:33 pm

        The problem with “Israeli control” is that it in that area it was much easier for a Jewish Israeli sexual deviant or other type of creep to give ride to the boys and offer soft drinks or something else laced with a sleeping drug than for a Palestinian. For all we know, their bodies are already in a freezer. link to sacramento.cbslocal.com
        It is a fact of life that one in a million (or more) is a serious creep.

        I did not find when the boys started their trip, but I would assume that much earlier than 10:30 pm. Even if boys could be stupid enough to start that late, the trip was approved by the parents who presumably would insist on some reasonable time. Terrorists would promptly take phones from the boys, but a creep would start by being a pleasant host for few hours. The boy did not mention Arabs, terrorists, just “kidnapped”.

    • eljay
      June 19, 2014, 8:54 am

      >> So lets get this straight. 3 Israeli boys are kidnapped and the harshest criticism goes to Israel? Not Hamas- which whether or not they carried out this kidnapping …

      If Hamas did, in fact, carry out the kidnapping, the harshest criticism must go to them. If Hamas did not carry out the kidnapping, it would be incredibly stupid to criticize them for carrying out the kidnapping.

      >> … they have kidnapped and attempted to kidnap Israelis in the past, are still bent on destroying Israel …

      Israel has kidnapped and attempted to kidnap members of Hamas (or Palestinians in general) and is bent on destroying Hamas (and, it seems, Palestinians in general). What’s good for the goose, eh?

      >> … and is a terrorist organization …

      Israel is – and has been for over 60 years – an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremcist state engaged in terrorism, ethnic cleansing, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder.

      >> It’s Israels fault for defending itself. It’s Israels fault for actually caring about the lives of its citizens. … Either get a clue, or stop the double standard. Or both

      So, the next time Israel kidnaps members of Hamas (or Palestinians in general), you won’t fault Hamas for defending itself (or Palestinians in general). For actually caring about the lives of its members (or of Palestinians in general). Right?

      Please, do get a clue or stop the double standard. Or both.

    • amigo
      June 19, 2014, 8:58 am

      “That’s right. It’s Israels fault for defending itself. It’s Israels fault for actually caring about the lives of its citizens. ” philliyfanbo

      Yes , it is Israel,s fault for transporting Israeli citizens to territory it Occupies in contravention of the 4th GC art 49. That hardly falls into the description of “Caring about the lives of it,s citizens”.

      ” It’s Israels fault for not agreeing to a government that includes members who are bent on its destruction.” philliyfanbo.

      Agreed, it is the Fault of Israelis for continually voting in a government bent on the destruction of Israel.

      Get a clue and get out of Palestine or keep on the road to national suicide.

    • seafoid
      June 19, 2014, 9:24 am

      “bent on its destruction”

      copyright hasbara central

      Surely the loss of these 3 settlers in Area C under full IDF control is the IDF’s fault.
      Or maybe we can get Oren on to examine the bullishitstics and say we can’t be sure the kids ever existed, that there are just too many inconsistencies in the story.

      • philliyfanbo
        June 19, 2014, 9:41 am

        so according to your logic, in order to prevent such attacks and kidnapping, the IDF should be in every square meter of area C, because it controls it. you cant enforce the law 100% of the time, unless you are in every square inch of the area, 100% of the time.
        if someone commits a crime, they are at fault, not the authorities. the authorities can only stop them if they are present at the time

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 9:51 am

        “so according to your logic, in order to prevent such attacks and kidnapping, the IDF should be in every square meter of area C, because it controls it. you cant enforce the law 100% of the time, unless you are in every square inch of the area, 100% of the time.
        if someone commits a crime, they are at fault, not the authorities. the authorities can only stop them if they are present at the time” philliyfanbo.

        No according to most peace loving people,s logic!!!.

        Israel should not be there at all.

        I already explained that to you above.

        Again—4th GC art 49.

        Another hasbara central pilot with 2 hrs flying experience.

        Better keep your hand near the ejector seat button.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 19, 2014, 9:59 am

        “so according to your logic, in order to prevent such attacks and kidnapping, the IDF should be in every square meter of area C”

        No, it should round up all the settler criminals and move them back behind the green line and stop polluting the land of Palestine with the boots of the Israeli terrorists-in-uniform.

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 10:36 am

        Philly

        You must be new to hasbara.
        There is no law in Shomron and Yehuda.
        Otherwise, how did the settlers end up with 62% of the land ?

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 19, 2014, 9:48 am

      “So lets get this straight. 3 Israeli boys are kidnapped and the harshest criticism goes to Israel?”

      Yes, because Israel has done far worse than kidnapped a young man and two teens. Hell, they’ve done far worse since the three went missing. So, absolutely, Israel should be subject to harshest criticism.

      “Not Hamas- which whether or not they carried out this kidnapping, they have kidnapped and attempted to kidnap Israelis in the past,”

      It’s not kidnapping when it’s a war. You people wanted a war, you got it. Since Israel does not hesitate to use force against Palestinian civilians every minute of every day for 3/4 of a century, who are you to suggest that the resistence to Israeli oppression is wrong for paying them back in their own coin?

      “…are still bent on destroying Israel…”

      Good. It’s an ethnoreligious apartheid state and deserves to be destroyed and replaced with something the respects the full political, human and civil rights of everyone in the land, treats them with absolute equality and gives everyone the vote over the government that controls their lives.

      “…and is a terrorist organization”

      One man’t terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Frankly the I”D”F has perpetrated more terror on Palestinians than Hamas can every dream of.

      “Not the PA- who posted on their Facebook page the day after the kidnapping to all the people who live in the Hebron area to delete their security camera records in order to complicate the search”

      Good for the PA, if true. (Frankly, you Zionists lie so much, it’s impossible to tell…) Given the history of crime by the Israelis against the Palestinians, the Palestinians should do everything in their power to complicate, interrupt or hamper EVERY operation by the Israelis.

      “thus making them an accomplice to the kidnapping.”

      There is only an alleged kidnapping. Unless you have definitive evidence of a kidnapping, then yall you are doing is participating in the usual racist practices of the Zionists of prejudicing the Palestinians for your own demonic purposes.

      “It’s Israels fault for defending itself.”

      It’s not defending itself. It’s committing serial war crimes and crimes against humanity in an attempt to steal yet more Palestinian land.

      “It’s Israels fault for actually caring about the lives of its citizens.”

      LMAO. If Israel cared about the lives of its citizens, it would remove them out of Palestine and back behind the green line. Otherwise, it is simply letting them sit as legitimate military targets.

      “It’s Israels fault for not agreeing to a government that includes members who are bent on its destruction.”

      It’s not Israel’s business. Just as Palestine can’t dictate that Israel not include the Jewish equivalent of Hamas, or worse, like Likud or “Yisrael” Beiteinu or the Jewish “Home” party.

      “Either get a clue, or stop the double standard. Or both”

      LMAO Coming from a supporter of an ethnoreligious Apartheid state, that’s rich.

    • amigo
      June 19, 2014, 11:32 am

      “Not the PA- who posted on their Facebook page the day after the kidnapping to all the people who live in the Hebron area to delete their security camera records in order to complicate the search, thus making them an accomplice to the kidnapping.” phillyfanbo

      You should read all the posts on a thread before you go ahead and make a fool of yourself.

      (Jerusalem) – Israeli security forces ordered a Palestinian man to take down security cameras that captured the shooting deaths of two Palestinian boys in May, Human Rights Watch and Defense for Children International – Palestine said today. Footage recorded by cameras on the man’s building prompted an international outcry over the killings.

      Israeli military officers berated Fakher Zayed, 47, for sharing the security videos with human rights groups, claimed he had lied and fabricated evidence, and threatened to bring unspecified legal actions against him if he did not remove the security cameras, Zayed told Human Rights Watch and DCI-Palestine. A soldier threatened to “unleash dogs on my children,” he said.

      “Israel should be investigating these deaths, but instead its forces seem intent on intimidating witnesses and ensuring future abuses won’t be caught on camera,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “The Israeli response to the killing of two boys looks more like an attempt to cover up than a serious investigation.”

      link to hrw.org

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 19, 2014, 11:33 am

      “Not the PA- who posted on their Facebook page the day after the kidnapping to all the people who live in the Hebron area to delete their security camera records in order to complicate the search, thus making them an accomplice to the kidnapping.”

      Given how often the Israelis doctor video, this is actually pretty smart, because it will eliminate the possibility of the Israelis seizing some video from a Palestinian, doctoring it in order to frame an innocent Palestinian, and releasing this doctored video as “proof.” If everyone deletes their security footage, the Israelis can’t pull off this fraud. So, good on the Palestinians for thinking ahead and proactively to protect the Palestinians from being set up with footage doctored by the Israelis.

    • amigo
      June 19, 2014, 11:37 am

      “Israeli military officers berated Fakher Zayed, 47, for sharing the security videos with human rights groups, claimed he had lied and fabricated evidence, and threatened to bring unspecified legal actions against him if he did not remove the security cameras, Zayed told Human Rights Watch and DCI-Palestine. A soldier threatened to “unleash dogs on my children,” he said.”

      There is more down thread.Got the cahones to go look.

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 12:24 pm

        Thugs.
        I wonder what the Hebrew for knacker is.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 12:33 pm

        The Israel Defense Forces (IDF; Hebrew: צְבָא הַהֲגָנָה לְיִשְׂרָאֵל Tzva Hahagana LeYisra’el , lit. “The Army of Defense for Israel”; Arabic: جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي‎ Jaysh ad-Difāʻ al-Isrāʼīlī ), commonly known in Israel by the Hebrew acronym Tzahal (צה”ל)

        (wiki)

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 12:36 pm

        I think it’s known as Jaysh al yahud in arabic… (Jewish army)
        And the persecutors are just called “al yahud” (the Jews)

        Zionism has not been good for the image of Judaism in the region, on balance.

  24. just
    June 19, 2014, 8:45 am

    “‘Death to Arabs’ scrawled on walls, fire extinguished at Haifa school

    Published: 06.19.14, 13:33 / Israel News

    Graffiti condemning MK Hanin Zoabi and calling for, “Death to Arabs”, was found Thursday scrawled on the walls of the special education school el-Massar in Haifa.

    Equipment belonging to the school was set on fire neighbors extinguished the blaze. Haifa police opened an investigation to catch the perpetrators and denied that the incident constituted a Price Tag attack. (Ahiya Raved and Hassan Shaalan)”

    link to ynetnews.com

    (DENIED that it is a Price Tag attack!!!)

    • seafoid
      June 19, 2014, 10:19 am

      Death to Arabs is so defamatory I expect the ADL to condemn it.
      I expect the chief Ashkenazi Rabbi to come out and say something as well.

      • piotr
        June 19, 2014, 11:00 am

        I think that “Death to Arabs” qualifies as incitement rather than defamation. And Israeli laws concerning the incitement do not cover the Rabbinate, otherwise you would have to shut it down.

  25. halfinhalf
    June 19, 2014, 8:57 am

    Why is it a bad thing that Israel is using this opportunity to weaken Hamas? They are an internationally recognized terrorist organization who have repeatedly called for kidnapping Israeli youth and organized countless attacks on civilians. They have even come out supporting the kidnapping of Naftali, Eyal and Gilad this past week. It’s in Abbas’s self-interest to cut off ties with Hamas because they’re terrorists. This is a good thing. I don’t understand why you are presenting it as a bad thing or as if Israel has done anything wrong here.

    • seafoid
      June 19, 2014, 9:40 am

      When is Israel going to extend voting rights to Palestinians in Erez Israel? I wouldn’t mind seeing Hamas disappear in return for voting rights for non Jews in Shomron and Yehudah.

    • eljay
      June 19, 2014, 9:51 am

      Why is it a bad thing that Israel is using this opportunity to weaken Hamas? They are an internationally recognized terrorist organization who have repeatedly called for kidnapping Israeli youth and organized countless attacks on civilians. They have even come out supporting the kidnapping of Naftali, Eyal and Gilad this past week. It’s in Abbas’s self-interest to cut off ties with Hamas because they’re terrorists. This is a good thing.

      Hamas should not be supporting, condoning or encouraging the kidnapping of civilians. And if it is proven that Hamas has kidnapped these three individuals, the people responsible must be held accountable for their crimes.

      Similarly, Zio-supremacists should not be supporting, condoning or encouraging Israel’s 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, land theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture, murder and, yes, kidnapping.

      The people responsible for these past and ON-GOING (war) crimes must be held accountable. I’m sure you agree.

    • Hostage
      June 19, 2014, 9:51 am

      Why is it a bad thing that Israel is using this opportunity to weaken Hamas?

      It can weaken Hamas all it wants, so long as it doesn’t resort to the use of threats or force against the territorial integrity and political independence of any state in violation of the UN Charter.

      FYI, Israel has always violated UN Security Council and General Assembly resolutions, including its obligations under the Quartet Road Map, that has never been repealed (yet). It’s about time for the UN to declare it an illegal regime, just like the former South African and Southern Rhodesian regimes.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 19, 2014, 10:58 am

      They are an internationally recognized terrorist organization who have repeatedly called for kidnapping Israeli youth and organized countless attacks on civilians.

      Israel repeatedly kidnaps, tortures and imprisons palestinian youth and has organized countless attacks on civilians. would it be a good thing if palestinian forces put 750,000 israelis on lockdown, imprisoned hundreds, bombed neighborhoods, and killed some israelis as a result? would you support collective punishment of the israeli society in order to weaken the current israeli regime because others deemed israel a terrorist state?

      if you say no, that should answer your question.

      • amigo
        June 19, 2014, 11:40 am

        “Israel repeatedly kidnaps, tortures and imprisons Israeli youth ” Annie

        I believe you meant to write , “Palestinian Youth??.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 19, 2014, 12:30 pm

        of course, thanks for catching that.

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 11:52 am

        This point about the “internationally recognized terrst organization” is crap – the bots ordered it. The IDF does way more damage too.

        Asking goys to feign shock at Hamas violence is rich coming from Israel.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 11:58 am

        Totally agree, seafoid.

        Israel has raided Dawa, the charity arm of Hamas, and they just banned IRW from operating.

        “Israel bans UK-based Muslim charity accused of funding Hamas

        In a widening of crackdown on Hamas, Defense Minister declares Islamic Relief Worldwide ‘unauthorised’, says charity run by Hamas members, serves as source of funding for movement.”

        link to ynetnews.com

      • seafoid
        June 19, 2014, 12:23 pm

        Hamas keeps food on a lot of tables in Gaza.
        Zionism is heartless. They think they can starve Palestine into submission.
        The damage this is doing to the soul of Judaism is incalculable.

        There is so much human experience in the Jewish psalms- and Zionism goes against all of it

        Psalm 20: “May the Lord answer you on a day of distress … These trust in chariots and these in horses, but we mention the name of the Lord our God.”

        Psalm 143, “… do not come to judgment with Your servant, for no living being will be innocent before You. For an enemy pursued my soul; he crushed my soul to the earth; he has made me dwell in dark places like those who are long dead. And my spirit enwrapped itself upon me; within me my heart is appalled.”

        The land fetish just isn’t worth it.

      • just
        June 19, 2014, 2:36 pm

        “The land fetish just isn’t worth it.”

        That coupled with the frequently voiced/written “Death to Arabs” is the result of Zionism and the fetishists that embrace and worship at its altar.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 19, 2014, 12:34 pm

        This point about the “internationally recognized terrst organization” is crap –

        reminds me, i was recently following a conversation w/maxb on twitter, and some guy used the argument “everybody knows this”. so lame.

      • ritzl
        June 19, 2014, 1:37 pm

        MEK. They were “internationally recognized” for the longest time, and then all of the sudden they were NOT. Magic, it is, and just as real.

  26. Hostage
    June 19, 2014, 9:36 am

    In fact, PA security forces are working closely together with the Israeli troops that have ransacked homes and arrested hundreds of people alleged to be members of Hamas, as well as others with no affiliation to the movement. The close coordination has always been the rub in the unity pact. How do you reconcile factions when one faction is working with an occupation force bent on destroying the other faction?

    Years ago, the General Assembly adopted resolutions which condoned any act of resistance to foreign colonialism, occupation, and domination. Then the Palestinians and others resorted to suicide bombings that targeted civilians. The Security Council got fed-up and started using its Chapter VII powers to legislate by ordering all of its member states to refrain from such acts and to take action against anyone who did. link to un.org

    Accordingly, when Israel used the suicide bombings as an excuse to construct the illegal Wall, the 10th Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly had to address both illegal situations. Resolution ES-10/15 specifically required the Palestinian authorities “to undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks”. link to unispal.un.org

    The Security Council adopted resolution 1515 and the terms of the Middle East Quartet Road Map which stipulated:

    In Phase I, the Palestinians immediately undertake an unconditional cessation of violence according to the steps outlined below; such action should be accompanied by supportive measures undertaken by Israel. Palestinians and Israelis resume security cooperation based on the Tenet work plan to end violence, terrorism, and incitement through restructured and effective Palestinian security services.

    SECURITY

    * Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere.

    link to unispal.un.org

  27. just
    June 19, 2014, 9:40 am

    “LIVE UPDATES: ‘Focus on bringing teens home, not toppling Palestinian government’
    Meretz chair meets Netanyahu, implores him to take Abbas’ ‘brave words’ and move forward on diplomatic goals; 280 Palestinians arrested in West Bank; air force strikes five Gaza targets.”

    link to haaretz.com

  28. amigo
    June 19, 2014, 9:43 am

    Welcome to MW halfinhalf.
    should that be –halfinhalfout.

  29. seafoid
    June 19, 2014, 10:37 am

    BLITZER: So you hear those reports, very disturbing information. But what I hear you suggesting, it’s possible you think that this whole thing was staged? Is that what you’re suggesting?

    OREN: We don’t know. We don’t know.

  30. Shmuel
    June 19, 2014, 12:44 pm

    How Israel is exploiting the reported kidnapping to weaken Palestinian reconciliation

    And how could we forget more goodies for the settlements: link to haaretz.com

    • just
      June 19, 2014, 2:46 pm

      And that goes to the heartless point that Netanyahu is driving home– the illegal settlements are here to stay no matter what. His dream is so very demented, and all of it is criminal.

      “Responding to a question from the audience, Netanyahu said: “I was threatened in Washington: ‘not one brick’ [of settlement construction] … after five years, we built a little more than one brick…”

      Asked “about peace talks with the Palestinians,” Netanyahu reportedly replied, “about the – what?” to which the audience responded by breaking out into laughter.”

      link to mondoweiss.net

      • James Canning
        June 19, 2014, 4:40 pm

        Netanyahu clearly thinks the numberous Aipac stooges in the US Congress will enable Israel to keep much of the West Bank permanently. This may prove not to be the case.

  31. SQ Debris
    June 19, 2014, 12:58 pm

    This must be very frustrating for Netanyahoo. He’s been trying like hell to incite another uprising, what with continued land theft, continued administrative detentions, the bold murder of those boys outside Ofer prison. Now this new wave of collective punishment for .. what do we really know? 3 teens didn’t show up for a late dinner? Without an uprising how is he supposed to proceed with wholesale ethnic cleansing? Restraint within the Palestinian community must be driving him nutz.

  32. James Canning
    June 19, 2014, 2:15 pm

    BiBi Netanyahu does want to wreck the Unity government. Of this fact there is no doubt.

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