Missing Israeli teens found dead near Hebron; Netanyahu: ‘Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay’

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Israeli military in Halhul on Monday. (Photo: Jim Hollander/European Pressphoto Agency)

Israeli military in Halhul on Monday. (Photo: Jim Hollander/European Pressphoto Agency)

The bodies of three missing Israeli teens – Gil-Ad Shaer,16, Naftali Fraenkel, 16, and Eyal Yifrah, 19 – were found today in a West Bank field near the village of Halhul, not far from where they went missing on June 12. Halhul is close to the city of Hebron where the search effort and military presence has been intense over the past few weeks. 

The Israeli government is meeting in an emergency cabinet meeting tonight to discuss an official response. Initial reports have indicated that those responsible for the deaths may have been connected to Hamas, but that the killing was not an official operation (interesting background here). Hamas issued another statement denying responsibility for the deaths (from Haaretz):

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri: “Only the Israeli version of the events has been published. Israel is attempting to make way for aggression against us, against Hamas. We reject all Israeli allegations and threats against us. We are already used to it and will know how to defend ourselves. No Palestinian group, Hamas or any other group, has taken responsibility for the action, and thus the Israeli version can’t be trusted.”

Still, Israeli politicians have already increased calls to use the teens’ death as a justification for “a war on Hamas.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu released a statement saying, “Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay.”

Here is the full Netanyahu statement off the Prime Minister of Israel’s Facebook page:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made the following remarks this evening at the start of the Security Cabinet meeting:

“With heavy grief, this evening we found three bodies. All signs indicate that they are the bodies of our three abducted youths – Eyal Yifrach, Gilad Shaar and Naftali Frankel.

They were abducted and murdered in cold blood by human animals. On behalf of the entire Jewish People, I would like to tell the dear families – the mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers, and brothers and sisters – we are deeply saddened, the entire nation weeps with you. We will give the boys a proper burial. ‘Vengeance for the blood of a small child, Satan has not yet created.’; neither has vengeance for the blood of three pure youths, who were on their way home to meet their parents, who will not see them anymore. Hamas is responsible – and Hamas will pay. May the memories of the three boys be blessed.”

In addition, the family homes of alleged suspects Marwan Quasma and Amar Abu Eisha have already been surrounded and are being threatened with demolition in retribution. Michael Omer Man reports for +972:

The Israeli army was surrounding the homes of two of the suspected kidnappers within minutes of the announcement, with troops reportedly preparing to demolish the houses. In recent days, the Israeli government announced a return to its policy of punitive home demolitions.

Our friend and correspondent Kate offers this statement (in the comment section), and reporting from al Monitor: “So can you say that it was ‘Hamas’, meaning the leadership, if it was actually done by this clan? Never mind, I’m sure the innocent will pay. I am scared for Gazans and the people of Halhul.” Link to al-monitor.com

Accused kidnappers are rogue Hamas branch – by Shlomi Eldar

“On June 26, the Shin Bet allowed the release of the names of the two men suspected of orchestrating the kidnapping of the three yeshiva (religious high school) students in the Etzion settlement bloc. The suspects are Marwan Qawasmeh and Amar Abu Aisha.
According to Palestinian sources, Palestinian security forces had already reported to Israel that these two suspects had disappeared from Hebron within 24 hours of the abduction. That was the first clue in the investigation and the reason why Israel pointed an accusatory finger at the Hamas infrastructure in Hebron. But while Israel continues to accuse the Hamas movement and its leadership of being responsible for the abduction, Palestinian security forces attribute the abduction to the Qawasmeh clan of Hebron specifically. Though the clan is known for identifying with Hamas, it also has a well-earned reputation as troublemakers. Not only does it tend to ignore the movement’s leaders. It even acts counter to the policies being advocated by the movement.
That is why officials in the Palestinian Authority (PA) were shocked by the timing of the three boys’ abduction, just two weeks after the establishment of a Palestinian unity government. After all, the very creation of this new coalition came with the assumption that the Hamas leadership had come to terms with reality and moderated their positions.
Enter the Qawasmeh clan. The total number of people belonging to the clan is estimated at about 10,000, making it one of the three largest clans in the Mount Hebron region. At least 15 members of the family were killed during the second intifada, nine of them while committing suicide attacks against Israel.
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Each time Hamas had reached an understanding with Israel about a cease-fire or tahadiyeh (period of calm), at least one member of the family has been responsible for planning or initiating a suicide attack, and any understandings with Israel, achieved after considerable effort, were suddenly laid waste. If there is a single family throughout the PA territories whose actions can be blamed for Israel’s assassination of the political leadership of Hamas, it is the Qawasmeh family of Hebron.

American officials have begun conveying expressions of sympathy. UN Ambassador Samantha Power calls the news “devastating:”

Join POTUS in sending condolences to families of 3 murdered Israeli teens, including 1 who was American. Devastating.

That statement from the President:

President's statement

President’s statement

Coverage of the discovery has included confirmation of something Mondoweiss first reported June 23 – Israeli officials have long suspected the missing teens were already dead. Sheera Frenkel reports for BuzzFeed:

Israeli officials have imposed a gag order on many details of the search for the teens. That gag order initially included a phone call made from one of the teens to police, as well as evidence found in a burnt-out car in the Hebron area.

BuzzFeed spoke to an Israeli official involved in the case, who confirmed that during the police call a gunshot can clearly be heard. The car, he added, had clear evidence of foul play. Over the last week. Israeli soldiers could be seen digging through rocks and dredging wells in Hebron in the search for the teens.

“We have been operating, for some time now, with evidence that these boys were killed,” he said. “It is with a heavy heart that we realized we were looking for bodies.”

The New York Times also quotes a senior Israeli official saying, “The three appeared to have been shot to death, likely ‘very close to the kidnap’ time.”

Thanks to Annie Robbins for help on this post. 

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  1. Woody Tanaka
    June 30, 2014, 3:42 pm

    As I asked Oleg earlier, so, did the Israelis identify who murdered the boys on Nakba day yet??? (I guess it goes without saying that the ZIonists don’t intend to release any actual evidence regarding the three missing males, to demonstrate that all the people who they’re about to murder and whos lives they’re about to destroy were responsible for anything, other than the most unforgivable of sins, of course: being non-Jews…)

    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 4:53 pm

      Of course NOT. The irony of it is, the three idiots who were supposed to have bungled the emergency call were ALL dismissed, while the murderers who aimed snipers at Palestinian kids, who were not threatening anyone, and killed 2 of them, are still free to continue their killing spree. I feel bad that three Israeli kids were killed, but feel worse that Israel is able to milk this to elicit sympathy, while totally ignoring what THEIR troops keep doing. Over 400 Palestinians kidnapped and many killed over the kidnapping of these three Israeli kids, now I did not know it took that many to kidnap and kill 3 kids. How many innocent Palestinians will pay for this,
      while the killers in Israel go free?

      • ritzl
        June 30, 2014, 7:32 pm

        Arrgh. The ignorance.

        Much work to be done…

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 7:37 pm

        Huffpost wanted it’s members to register with their FB accounts, to rid their comment section of trolls etc., seems the hasbara types have got round that and still swarm to make inane comments, over there.
        They are a mean lot and can make personal attacks at members.

      • eGuard
        June 30, 2014, 10:24 pm

        Two years ago the HuffPo replies were more realistic. Now HuffPo has succumbed.

      • Shingo
        June 30, 2014, 11:31 pm

        There’s plenty of pushback. A lot more comments rejecting the narrative that Jewish life is sacred vs Arab life which is expendable.

    • Jon66
      June 30, 2014, 6:50 pm

      I’m new here, but a little confused. When someone supporting Israel mentions a comparison to a neighboring state, it’s called ” whataboutery”. However, when the focus of the article is about 3 Israeli boys, it’s reasonable to compare that to murdered Palestinian children.

      As a parent, can’t we all agree that any intentional murders of children is inexcusable. Can’t we be sympathetic to three mothers who lost their children without trampling on their graves.

      I think the appropriate response at a time like this is a simple, ” I’m sorry for your loss”.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 7:08 pm

        a little confused…..when the focus of the article is about 3 Israeli boys, it’s reasonable to compare that to murdered Palestinian children.

        welcome jon. to alleviate some of your confusion i’d suggest checking out the headline as well as many of the tweets in the article (numerous israeli politicians already calling for a war on Hamas which often translates into state sanctioned slaughtered gazan children.) so the focus of the article is not solely about the 3 teens but also about the ensuing revenge that’s yet to come. in this regard i think there’s a lot of fear out there.

        hope that clears things up regarding your confusion. i do think one can be sympathetic to three jewish mothers who lost their children and at the same time concern ourselves for the mothers who will be grieving tomorrow and the next day and the next because of the collective punishment that will likely be the result of this madness. although “murdered Palestinian children” are not the rarity jewish teens are, and are generally ignored by the world politicians (too many examples to mention) their parents as well as palestinian national pain is no less than other bereaved parents. wouldn’t you agree?

        there are people out there calling for blood and unfortunately it’s part of the news today.

      • Jon66
        June 30, 2014, 7:13 pm

        I would hate to see more innocents injured. This was a crime, not a cause for war.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 7:22 pm

        i agree.

      • just
        June 30, 2014, 7:27 pm

        I fear that it will happen, but I agree with you.

      • a blah chick
        June 30, 2014, 8:47 pm

        I agree, cooler heads need to prevail, unfortunately none of them is in the Israeli government.

      • Blownaway
        July 1, 2014, 12:38 am

        What you need to know Jon is that many innocents have already been injured. The Israelis knew day one the boys were dead and went on this wave of destruction on a pre tense of searching for the boys that they knew were already dead. Several dead Palestinians later and massive destruction the bodies were found. The entire West Bank is re occupied and Israel is about to unleash it’s wrath on innocent Palestinians in Gaza..

      • Bumblebye
        June 30, 2014, 7:27 pm

        Hello Jon66.
        It’s not ‘whataboutery’ to compare and contrast the reactions of the ‘goI to the murder by its uniformed personnel of Palestinian boys (denial, punish the owners of security cameras, and steal as many of such Palestinian owned cameras as they can – http://www.hrw.org/news/06/19/israel-stop-threatening-witness-killings ) as to the reaction of same to the disappearance of the Israeli boys in occupied Palestine. It’s a case of impunity for Israeli perpetrators of violence – in uniform or not – versus collective punishment for all Palestinians.

      • ritzl
        June 30, 2014, 7:35 pm

        Bingo, Bumblebye. Same situation, flipped context is not “whataboutery.”

      • Bumblebye
        June 30, 2014, 9:21 pm

        Another flipped context – just heard an FBI honcho on the radio saying they opened an investigation on the kidnapping when it happened, because y’know, dual national, etc. So where did the investigation into the murder of Furkan Dogan in the flotilla assault go? Oh, that’s right – he didn’t count, not the right kind of dual national!

      • Shingo
        June 30, 2014, 9:44 pm

        So where did the investigation into the murder of Furkan Dogan in the flotilla assault go? Oh, that’s right – he didn’t count, not the right kind of dual national!

        My thoughts too. Or worse, when a Palestinian/US national was shot and killed by the Israelis, the US embassy in Israel told his bereaved wife that there was nothing they could do because Israel was a sovereign state.

        The hypocrisy is nauseating.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 30, 2014, 8:51 pm

        “However, when the focus of the article is about 3 Israeli boys, it’s reasonable to compare that to murdered Palestinian children.”

        The situations are directly related (and demonstrate the hypocracy in the coverages of the two near identical stories.)

        “Can’t we be sympathetic to three mothers who lost their children without trampling on their graves.”

        No. When have the Zionist Jews been sympathetic to the mothers of dead Palestinians??? When they begin, then the feeling should be reciprocated. Until then it simply playes into the bigoted Zionist narrative.

        And more specifically, I don’t have pity for these parents, I hold them in contempt. If they were not willing participants in the theft and occupation of Palestine, their kids would not be dead. But they loved their demonic ideology more than they loved their children.

        “I think the appropriate response at a time like this is a simple, ” I’m sorry for your loss”.”

        Yes, and when that is the response we get from the Zionists when one of their thugs murders some Palestinian — rather than getting the pig, Oren, telling that dimwit, Blitzer, that we don’t know if the kids are dead, or if they are, they were murdered by Arabs for “Pallywood.”– then maybe they’ll earn the same in response.

        But since this people have never treated the Palestinians with basic human decency, I say to hell with them.

      • Djinn
        June 30, 2014, 11:21 pm

        Harsh as it may seem, I’m with you Woody in feeling no sympathy for the parents.

        Palestinian parents are told they shouldn’t put their kids in harms way even if their kid was killed sitting in their classroom. Palestinian parents have no choice but to raise their kids in a war zone.

        Settlers CHOOSE to take their kids there either for pathetic financial reasons or even worse, for fundamentalist religious psycho reasons.

        Misadventure that occurs to people whilst committing crimes are generally considered to be their own fault. I knew at 16 that the West Bank was under an illegal belligerent occupation so I don’t buy that these “kids” are innocent victims.

        They were in the act of committing a crime. It didn’t work out so well for them.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 3:09 am

        I knew at 16 that the West Bank was under an illegal belligerent occupation so I don’t buy that these “kids” are innocent victims.

        They were in the act of committing a crime.

        there are a lot of 16 year olds who may not have or may not have had the benefit of your upbringing, which afforded you the understanding, and made you person who understood illegal belligerent occupation was immoral and wrong. 19, not so much..but 16? not all 16 yr olds are aware they are committing a crime of this nature, especially if they are raised in a situation/family/society bent on brainwashing. i shudder to think it would ever be ok for me to justify killing a child. 16, in many ways, is still a child. maybe not innocent in their lifetime, but in my book, dead kids are victims. even child killers are victims – perhaps not innocent, but still victims.

      • Djinn
        July 1, 2014, 5:38 am

        i shudder to think it would ever be ok for me to justify killing a child. 16, in many ways, is still a child. maybe not innocent in their lifetime, but in my book, dead kids are victims. even child killers are victims – perhaps not innocent, but still victims.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s OK to kill a child. I just have a had time mustering up too much sympathy for their parents. True at 16 they were unlikely to be able to live anywhere other than with their parents (at 19 not so much) and as I said I know I’m being harsh but after thousands of dead Palestinian kids my initial cynicism has become, well a lot more harsh.

        In Oz right now the government is trying to dog whistle over Australian citizens going to fight in Syria. All the tabloids are on hyper Jihad watch. If any of those citizens had taken their kids with them there would be absolutely zero sympathy for the parents if they were killed. For the kids themselves sure but not an inch for the parents.

        (I’ve been away awhile, am I missing something obvious re the inability to post replies to all posts?)

      • Jon66
        July 1, 2014, 7:05 am

        Annie,

        I agree with you. I don’t know all of the personal stories here so I can’t judge the anger. However, as a parent who sends a 16 year old to school, to play football, and to drive, I don’t sleep at night until I know he’s home safely. I’m sure both Palestinian and Israeli parents feel the same.

        Whether or not these kids were “committing a crime”, do we really want a world with the death penalty meted out this way? If my neighbors kid steals my car should I shoot him?

        Is our sympathy dependent upon the reciprocity of the other side?

        I’m not looking to pick a fight, it’s just personally there are red lines we shouldn’t cross even if we think the other side has. I believe murder is one of them, whether it’s in Hebron, Gaza, or anywhere else.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 5:46 pm

        I’ve been away awhile, am I missing something obvious re the inability to post replies to all posts?

        no djinn, since we moved servers (or whatever it’s called) the new formatting doesn’t give every comment their own reply button. not sure what’s up w/that but just scroll up to the last reply comment and go at it.

        anyway, i hear what you’re saying about the parents (big time), what i responded to was “so I don’t buy that these “kids” are innocent victims.”

        i don’t ever want to let my disgust at the way israel routinely arrests, slaughters, tortures and mishandles palestinian children to get to me to the point i would think a murdered child (jewish or not) is not a victim. a victim of their environment yes (their parents/society share culpability along with the assailant) but a victim none the less. childhood should be protected for every child.

        jon66 7:05 am, what comment of mine are you referencing in your response to me? i don’t believe in the death penalty so of course i don’t want “a world with the death penalty meted out this way” for any crime.

        Is our sympathy dependent upon the reciprocity of the other side?

        sympathy with the dead child or their parents? because frankly jon when you say “as a parent who sends a 16 year old to school, to play football, and to drive, I don’t sleep at night until I know he’s home safely” i might feel a lot less sympathy for you, as a worried parent, knowing you were raising your kid on stolen land, or sending him to a school on land stolen from other people and playing football on a football field other children are not allowed to play on because of their ethnicity, knowing other children whose parents own the deed to that very land your child is practicing football on are being tortured in some prison.

        and if you had an older child in the armed forces who was part of the army who policed and oppressed the very people whose home you live in, and those kids can’t go to that school, well, i might feel less sympathy for you. i’d feel bad for your kid if he got murdered tho because of a lifestyle you chose. and frankly, i have a lot of doubts about who killed the teens. but take this McKnight character http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/sunday-morning-macabre.html

        if he was to bring up children in the settlements, i wouldn’t feel too much sympathy for his grief if something happened to a child of his, i would hold him responsible for the fate of his child. listen to him.

        and i would pity any child being born into the world with a father like him, having to be raised with a person seemingly devoid of basic morals. really really sad and unfortunate for any child. it makes me cringe just imagining having to be around him day after day.

        the other man tho (Israeli journalist Ithamar Handelman Smith), his caring touches me. so i guess wrt reciprocation, i would mourn for him if he lost a child, very much so.

        instinctually, i guess it does make a difference to me wrt the reciprocity of the parents. the child tho, no. i feel sorry for any murdered child.

        i hope that answers your question.

      • seafoid
        July 1, 2014, 2:42 pm

        Woody
        you made it into Ha’aretz
        http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.602431

        “When one Mondoweiss reader asked “Can’t we be sympathetic to three mothers who lost their children without trampling on their graves?” a second reader was quick to respond:

        “No. When have the Zionist Jews been sympathetic to the mothers of dead Palestinians??? When they begin, then the feeling should be reciprocated. Until then it simply plays into the bigoted Zionist narrative.

        “And more specifically, I don’t have pity for these parents, I hold them in contempt. If they were not willing participants in the theft and occupation of Palestine, their kids would not be dead. But they loved their demonic ideology more than they loved their children.”

        When the first reader suggested “I think the appropriate response at a time like this is a simple, ‘I’m sorry for your loss,’ the second reader replied that “since this people have never treated the Palestinians with basic human decency, I say to hell with them.” “

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 3:25 pm

        LMAO. Can we conclude that the noob, “jon66” is really Bradley Burston??

        Too bad he excised the second comment, taking it out of context, and missed the whole point of my comment, which had nothing to do with “kidnap denial” or “blaming the victim.”

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 3:34 pm

        How marvelously scandalous, seafoid! Let’s call it ‘Woodygate’.

        But seriously: expect a penned hissy-fit with bad punctuation from mj rosenberg – he’s another one who insists the whole world is obliged to feel for israel, must cry for israel on cue or else they’re an antisemite.

        They just don’t get it! But I’m still gonna try and explain it to them in as simple a way as I can possibly muster – so here we go:
        Hey haaretz readers, hey mj rosenberg and the rest of the motley tribe, stop everything you’re doing for just a moment and listen very carefully – this is how it works: when you’re nice, people like you very much, and if they see you suffer, they truly and genuinely feel for you. But when you’re not nice, people don’t like you at all, and if they see you suffer, they really don’t give a sh*t about it. And it really doesn’t matter what religion you are, if people don’t like you, they will not give you any heart.

        It’s just the way of the world – has nothing to do with goy versus jew and everything to do with nice versus not nice.

        So… to be or not to be nice, is really the question…. And it’s vital that israeli zionist jews and their worldwide supporters and enablers understand that whatever their answer to this stoic question is, they must take absolute responsibility for it. Not blame Woody and Phil and Annie and Max and millions and millions of others on their endlessly long, long, long, long, long hate-list.

        Being not nice simply offends people. And when you offend people, they simply don’t care for you. It’s really as simple as that.

      • MHughes976
        July 1, 2014, 5:58 pm

        To me ‘whataboutery’ is a single word for ‘a quick change of subject, esp. when you’re embarrassed’. Pointing out something connected to something already under discussion is pursuing the subject, not changing it.
        If I were in conversation with the parents I would want to say not only that I’m sorry for their loss, which is not quite enough, but that abduction and killing is never justified. If they in their moment of grief wished not to pursue the subject I would fall silent but if words continued I would have to make clear that I had said what I said as one who thinks the settlements wrong and unjust.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 2, 2014, 12:43 am

        i was at my mother’s house this evening and had a chance to catch the evening news. not having a television it is not something i watch often other than visits to her house on some evenings. as i entered, film of the funeral was on the television. i thought to myself, how odd we never hear of the many young people killed by israel and yet these deaths make the evening news.

        then i thought of Lubna al-Hanash, and her beautiful face. how she was shot and killed and her killer will pay no price, none whatsoever. and how there is no accountability for the many young people’s lives brutally cut short. i remembered the words of her friend who was with her. how she didn’t see anyone with molotov cocktails. how they had spent over an hour walking around the campus.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/unprovoked-continues-bethlehem.html

        “An Israeli soldier was shooting from his rifle while a white car was parked on the roadside. There was nobody in the area except Lubna and I. He was a criminal … yes, a criminal who opened fire at us in cold blood killing Lubna and injuring me.”

        they just shot her. 21 years old. what is the difference really? and why are the israelis on the news and nothing about Lubna? why?

        and this:

        fifteen year old Saleh Elamareen was shot in the head by an Israeli soldier in Aida refugee camp, Bethlehem. Today Wednesday 23 January he was pronounced dead. Salah Elamareen was outside the Lajee Refugee Centre when he was shot through the left forehead. The Centre lies some distance from the wall itself. At the time of the shooting eyewitnesses have said that protests were not happening, and that the people of Aida were simply watching the soldiers from afar. This is supported by video documentation of the incident, which shows a group of youth carrying Elamareen after he was shot. Two of the doctors who treated Elamareen did not rule out previous rumours that he was shot with a dumdum bullet, due to the fragmentation of the bullet within his head. Another doctor has claimed it was definitely a dumdum bullet in his opinion. Dumdum bullets expand after impact and are designed to cause maximum damage and pain. Due to the brutality of these bullets they are illegal under international law.

        nothing about Saleh Elamareen on the evening news. their deaths were after a string of killings last year:

        11 January 2013: Anwar al-Mamluk, 20, of a-Shuja’iyeh neighborhood, Gaza City, fatally shot by soldiers near the Gaza military perimeter fence

        12 January 2013: ‘Udai Darwish, 21, of Dura, Hebron District, fatally shot by soldiers after crossing the Separation Barrier into Israel on his way to work

        15 January 2013: Samir ‘Awad, 17, of the village of Budrus, Ramallah District, fatally shot by soldiers beside the Separation Barrier near Budrus

        18 January 2013: Saleh al-‘Amarin, 15, of al-‘Aza Refugee Camp, Bethlehem District, fatally shot by soldiers in al-A’yda Refugee Camp

        23 January 2013: Lubna al-Hanash, 21, of Bethlehem, fatally shot by soldiers near Route 60, by al-‘Arrub Refugee Camp

        no accountability. we grieve in an echo chamber and now our thread makes the news.

        but here is what i don’t understand. when israel went on it’s rampage after the teens went missing, as awful as it was, israel justified it, and all the ensuing deaths as a byproduct of the revenge and retributions for the missing teens. but why doesn’t anyone see their disappearance and subsequent murder as a response to the cold blooded killing of nadeen and mohammed? why is one whataboutery and the other a response. still wrong, but connected. what are the chances they were not connected? how many cold blooded killings of youth is israel allowed to take with no accountability whatsoever before it’s just understood someone will take revenge for their deaths? if there is a cycle, why is it our evening news only makes a big deal about jewish death? and why is palestinian vengance called terrorism when israel can kill youth after youth after youth and it’s justified and sanctioned time and again.

        or Samir `Awad, 16

        We saw the gate was open, and we got excited, we decided to go through it. It’s a grey gate. We crossed the barbed wire coils and [two boys] went through the gate, first [a 13-year-old], then Samir, and then there were soldiers who had been lying in the ditch, four on the left and two on the right [of the gate]. They stood up and said, “Stop.” The others ran back toward the village, and the soldiers fired in the air, two or three times.

        Samir got scared and ran the wrong way through the gate. He tried to climb the [second] fence and one the four soldiers from the left-hand side shot him in the leg. He fell, got up, and came back through the gate toward the village. Another soldier grabbed him by the shoulder, but he got past and tried to run away toward the village. He was limping. One of [the soldiers] threw a sound bomb [flash-bang grenade], and then another soldier shot him in the back and the head.

        or 14 year old Yusef Shawamreh, soldiers waiting to ambush a child as he foraged for plants. why isn’t he on the news?

        the list is too too too many. as a nation palestine mourns all the time. so what’s special about these 3 particular children that warrants them on the nightly news at my mother’s house in california when week after week after week palestinian children’s lives are cut short? other than the fact they are jewish that is. killing youth seems to be israel’s specialty. we cover it and write about it over and over and over. but for some reason their brutal deaths are so accepted they go unmentioned time and again.

        blaming the victim is something golda meir did when she said “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

        that is what i heard when woody wrote “they loved their demonic ideology more than they loved their children.”

        it was harsh, not really my cup of tea no matter who says it (all parents love their children above all else, i assume. i know i do. and no parent should ever have to bury their own child). the difference being, one is spoken by a famous leader, and has been repeated countless times. the other by a commenter on mondoweiss. ..but hey it made bradley burston’s column.

      • German Lefty
        July 2, 2014, 7:04 am

        @ Annie Robbins (no reply button)

        if there is a cycle, why is it our evening news only makes a big deal about jewish death?
        There is a cycle and it starts with the Nakba. If the MSM were willing to properly explain this cycle, then we wouldn’t need Mondoweiss. As much as I appreciate Mondoweiss, it would be better for all parties if it weren’t needed. Because of the MSM’s strange way of reporting on the conflict, it was impossible for me to figure out who are the victims and who are the perpetrators. I understood that the conflict is a spiral of violence, but the MSM refused to tell me who started it. Those who started it (Zionists) are the perpetrators. Those who defend themselves (Palestinians) are the victims. If the three Israeli teenagers were actually killed by a group of Palestinians, then this incident would have to be seen as a byproduct of Zionist settler colonialism. Settler colonialism doesn’t make you popular. And if you don’t want to listen, you have to find out the hard way. I am ambivalent about the killings. On the one hand, I disapprove of (unnecessary) violence. On the other hand, I don’t feel sorry for the killed teenagers and their parents.
        Your statement that the “evening news only makes a big deal about Jewish death” reminds me of this quote: “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.” This means: The killing of the three Jewish Israelis was an isolated incident (-> tragedy), whereas the killing of dozens or hundreds of Palestinians is common practice (-> statistic). If Palestinians (?) killed Jewish Israelis on a regular basis, then this incident wouldn’t be news around the world.

      • German Lefty
        July 2, 2014, 7:29 am

        @ Annie Robbins (no reply button)

        blaming the victim is something golda meir did […] that is what i heard when woody wrote “they loved their demonic ideology more than they loved their children.” it was harsh, not really my cup of tea no matter who says it (all parents love their children above all else, i assume. i know i do. and no parent should ever have to bury their own child).

        Please don’t project your own character onto Zionists. Just because YOU love your child(ren) doesn’t mean that other parents love their children, too. There are many parents who abuse their children in various ways, e.g. mentally, physically, sexually.
        I agree that no parent should have to bury their own child. However, Woody didn’t blame the victims. Zionist parents aren’t victims. They are perpetrators. And documentaries like “Defamation” expose how the Zionists misuse their youngsters for their criminal purposes, e.g. by indoctrinating them and urging them to join the military. Therefore, Woody is right. To Zionist parents, the well-being of their supremacist state is more important than the well-being of their children.

    • thetruthhurts
      June 30, 2014, 11:51 pm

      i just can’t find the intellectual strength to make a thoughtful reply to this ongoing neverending crap.
      its just all so miserable and depressing. it just goes on and on and on with no end in sight.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 2:22 pm

        “I’m not looking to pick a fight, it’s just personally there are red lines we shouldn’t cross even if we think the other side has.”

        Was that “red lines” supposed to be a joke? I mean, considering the history of Zionism, crossing red lines is their specialty.
        Oh well, “equivalency Hasbara” is the hardest to quit.

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 5:37 pm

        Agree, thetruthhurts. Israel’s behavior is such raw, unrepentant, ongoing, bloodthirsty savagery, amplified by our leaders total supplication to the mentality, that it’s really hard to know where to start. It defies any concept of humanity or reason that I’m aware of. We are/this issue is at a point where Israel’s incessant killing for killing’s sake [I don’t know the right words to use here, but] HAS TO become universally recognized as repugnant enough to transcend money-politics.

        Our leaders simply cannot ignore the killing without being part of the process. In the event that Israel does something really bad (it’s coming) they will be active participants in that as well including the disintegration of International Law. Too many chances to stop it even/only at the UN. I mean how do you veto a UNSC resolution that says “Stop killing innocent people — NOW!” FFS? But veto it we/US will. How can you say to the Tutsis in the Congo to stop killing people when Israel, with our obvious financial and political blessing, kills innocent people as it pleases?

        Sorry for the rant. I know how you feel. I’m tired.

        All I can say is that when nature takes its course and justice is done finally and durably, you all, the commentary here, this site will be a studied archive on the ebbs and flows of this issue. Who knew what when and how angry it made normal people. All the keys to solving this are here in articles and commentary, as are all the clues and hints as to why it’s so important [for everything] to do so.

  2. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 30, 2014, 3:51 pm

    So the boys were probably killed within hours of the ‘kidnapping’ and were found by ‘civilian volunteers’ ten minutes away from where they went missing?

    What does this say for the competence of Israel’s much vaunted intelligence services?

    But I’m really scared for people across Palestine tonight. Of course, no evidence has been provided that Hamas were responsible for the deaths, but when it comes to Palestinians, no evidence is ever needed. I fear that there are going to be massacres in Palestine. And the world will, at the very most ‘call on both sides to exercise restraint’ which is code for telling Israel ‘Go right ahead’.

    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 5:18 pm

      Especially from the US, it will be a wink and a nod. The congress will immediately pass a resolution show unwavering love and support, Ross Lehtinen has already made the usual statement warning Hamas, and the zionist media will be ready with a biased report, interviewing only ONE side, and giving them soft ball questions.
      Jake Tapper already had the Israeli ambassador.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 30, 2014, 5:26 pm

        But as I said on another post, the US has actually NOT blamed Da Khamas, and for once, is not parotting the Israeli line. For now:

        ”US President Barack Obama condemned what he called the “senseless” murder of the teenagers and warned against actions that could further “destabilise” the situation. “The United States condemns in the strongest possible terms this senseless act of terror against innocent youth,” Obama said in a written statement.”

        It’s all fairly vague. There may even be a coded warning in there, hinting that Israel shouldn’t use this as an excuse for a massacre. Although of course, when Israel does just that – and I strongly fear it will – Obama will say and do NOTHING.

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/30/bodies-missing-israeli-teenagers-found-west-bank

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 5:39 pm

        I agree. In fact they may get more weapons from us. Sad.

  3. frankier
    June 30, 2014, 3:54 pm

    I am not sure if this theory has already been floated, but is it possible that the three Israeli teenagers have been killed by misguided individuals as retribution for the two teenagers shot dead on Nakba day? Surely, the mainstream media are not making this connection that would, somehow, put things in perspective.

    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 4:56 pm

      My thoughts exactly. This may be an eye for an eye situation. I do not agree with any kid being kidnapped or killed, however, the possibility does exist that some Palestinians may have decided to get even, and said that they will end one life, for every one killed by Israel.

      • Basilio
        June 30, 2014, 7:28 pm

        Israel pretends it’s civilized, and that every Palestinian killed by the IDF deserves it. With that kind of behavior by the colonial regime of Israel it is only going to encourage an atmosphere where wandering settlers could get killed. In response, Israel says it should bomb. In that case, Israel would then kill some innocent Palestinians. When you bomb a people, demolish thousands of their homes, take their lands by force, have your army beat juveniles, arrest thousands of people and hold so many without a trial or evidence, have your soldiers kill people and let them get away with it, you are going to elicit some violence from the populace that’s the target of such behaviors. I know the family and friends of the youth are mourning, but do Israelis think of Palestinians who mourn their innocents?

      • ritzl
        June 30, 2014, 8:21 pm

        Yeah, I hate to say this but these kids appear to have been unknowing (to them) Israeli political, maybe even geopolitical, bait.

        Hitchiking in a war zone? How does that ever become normal?

        The Israeli ptb got what they wanted through these deaths. It’s disgusting.

      • just
        June 30, 2014, 8:34 pm

        You know, this morning when I read this in the NYT article :

        “NOF AYALON, Israel — It was about 4 a.m. on a Friday when the police banged on Rachel Fraenkel’s door in this Jerusalem suburb looking for her 16-year-old son, Naftali, and a friend he studies with at a yeshiva in the West Bank. The night before, Naftali had texted his parents saying he was going to hitchhike back home. They had no idea he had never arrived.

        “I was praying maybe he did something stupid and irresponsible,” Ms. Fraenkel recalled, “but I know my boy isn’t stupid, and he isn’t irresponsible.””

        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/world/middleeast/in-israeli-palestinian-conflict-mothers-cope-with-loss-of-sons.html?_r=1

        I thought, well maybe your “boy isn’t stupid, and he isn’t irresponsible.””, but perhaps you might be. ” They had no idea he had never arrived.” REALLY?

        I wait up for kids, for adults, for anyone who leaves my house for the call to say that they’ve arrived @ their destination safely. (Planes, trains, automobiles, on foot– no exceptions.) If people are late, I bother to call and check. I pick people up and drive them where they want/need to go to sleep. I make up sofas, bedrooms, sleeping bags when it is necessary.

        I don’t live in a war zone, on someone’s land, nor do I oppress anyone. I don’t think it’s right to hitchhike– AT ALL. If the world wants to characterize them as “children”, then why were they allowed to HITCH and nobody noticed them gone for so many hours?

        I am so sorry that these young men are dead. I fear that the innocent and far too many people will be punished. I also think that this was known from the beginning and Israel was punishing everybody in lieu of telling the truth.
        Israel is best when it is the prevaricating piranha.

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 9:50 pm

        Very good points, which somehow does not sink into the minds of apologists.
        I think that well known saying from a Palestinian native explains exactly what you say:

        “You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.”

    • Denis
      June 30, 2014, 8:40 pm

      frankier: Surely, the mainstream media are not making this connection that would, somehow, put things in perspective.

      It does seem obvious, doesn’t it. I wrote in a comment to Marc’s Jun15 post:

      Personally, I am struck by the symmetry of three Palestinian boys being shot and three Israeli boys nearly the same age disappearing almost exactly 1 month later. I like symmetry; it makes things symmetrical, as George Bush might say.

      Times of Israel has put up a very detailed timeline that had to come from GoI.
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-happened-on-the-night-of-the-kidnapping/

      Already things are not making sense:
      1. The three kids were put in the back seat of a tiny Hybudai i35 at 10:15 pm.

      2. At 10:25 one of them makes the call to the cops, lasting 2:09. How in hell does a kidnap victim packed into the back seat of a small call with the kidnappers in the front make a call that lasts 2 minutes?

      3. The kidnappers realized the call was made and immediately tapped all three kids.

      4. Afraid the cops knew the gig was up, at about 10:37 they put the bodies in another car and torched the Hyundai. Why? If they thought the cops knew the ID of their car, why torch it and let every IDF stiff in Palestine know exactly where it is?

      5. They continue to Halhul (5 mi. south of where the kids were picked up) and bury the bodies on land owned by family of one of the alleged kidnappers. Now we are completely in never-never land. What Palestinian would be stupid enough to kill three Israeli kids and plant the bodies on, say, their uncle’s land? I mean, what would be the point? Of course, if you were IDF looking for a place to plant diversion bodies, that’s exactly where you’d dig.

      We will never — not in 1000 years — know who those bodies really are. Does the IDF have three Palestinian bodies they could claim were the Israeli kids? Now there’s a sick understatement.

      • a blah chick
        June 30, 2014, 9:46 pm

        You have been reading my mind, friend.

        Also what is the point of killing out of vengeance if you don’t tell anyone?

        I agree, things are not adding up.

      • Djinn
        June 30, 2014, 11:29 pm

        I’ve tried very hard to avoid “conspiracy” theories on this one but it just doesn’t add up.

        3 people were over powered in an area completely under Israeli control and bundled into a small car. The kidnappers were able to pull this off but were too stupid to notice one of their captives making a phone call? They were too stupid to destroy or hide the bodies properly?

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 9:13 pm

        @Djinn- The picture of the hitchhiking point has been posted. It’s a lit and almost certainly videoed place.

        The Israelis knew who picked them up. None of it adds up, but unfortunately it’s after the fact.

    • SQ Debris
      July 1, 2014, 12:40 pm

      As human persons I hope that we can find it in our hearts to mourn every person, be they adult or child, Jew or Christian or Muslim, that get’s ground up in the zionist project. But. We need to be realistic. Israel makes the rules and calls the tune. As in the banal murders of those two boys near Ofer prison a couple of weeks ago. When any Palestinian applies Israel’s own rules, like the Israeli rule that killing kids is no big deal, then we get all this whining, teeth gnashing, and eventual reprisal killing. If Israel decides to live by civilized rules, like for instance that killing kids is always utterly unacceptable, things will improve. In the mean time, don’t expect acceptance of two different rule books in the conflict.

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 1:14 pm

        Why is it that only people who show solidarity with Palestinians feel the need to “mourn every person?”

        I very rarely see pro-Israel types express it. Their version goes something like, “Sad we had to kill them, BUT… [usually something along the lines of] they’re interfering with our peaceful occupation.”

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 1:29 pm

        I tried to edit this. It is not intended as a criticism, SQD. Just a reflection on soulfulness, or lack thereof.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 2:42 pm

        You make a valid point, ritzl. I truly believe that people who show solidarity with the Palestinian people have the capacity for empathy and clear sight.

        I certainly did not see vicious beasts calling for retribution after the murders of the two youths on Nakba day… I saw lots of folks calling for an end to Israeli murdering of innocents and Israel’s claims of faked deaths. I saw people begging for the end of Occupation and endless non- prosecution of crimes committed by Israel. I see the result. More collective punishment of innocents by Israel.

        They have never taken responsibility for their evil deeds, and nobody will hold them accountable. Is it any wonder that some are furious at the sheer UNFAIRNESS of it all?

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 5:55 pm

        It almost is “begging,” just. I know that’s pretty much where I’m at. You can almost see the DaBakrs of the world laughing as they spew. How do you fight that on a blog or in RL? It’s so cold-blooded and vicious and amoral as to be unassailable with words and argument. What’s left?

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 6:22 pm

        I think that ‘what’s left’ is for the US to be held accountable for the creation of Israel, and for its endless enabling of the Apartheid state and its Occupation .

        We created and nurtured this “Frankenstein”, but the monster gains strength and the village idiots (the US) keeps on being clever idiots.

        Here’s a good shout out to Idiots:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-CkMpQtlY

        Oh, and it would be entirely lovely if the US was also held to account for their many other dealings.

  4. Justpassingby
    June 30, 2014, 3:55 pm

    What a pathetic state israel is, a state that love terrorism and racism.

    How many palestinians will they murder this time? 10? 100? 10000?

    • Bumblebye
      June 30, 2014, 5:05 pm

      Odd how when Israel murders Palestinians, no Israeli can be found responsible, but when Israelis are the murder victims, *all* Palestinians are somehow responsible, tho some moreso than others.
      When considering the Israeli response over the time since the disappearance, and the number of deaths for which they are responsible, I find the goi response to the discovery of the bodies to be obscene. There is still zero evidence presented to anyone, as opposed to the evidence available in the Nakba Day murders, in which the only action has been persecution of the owners of security cameras!

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 5:19 pm

        You make a good point about no Israelis are found responsible, when Palestinian kids are gunned down.

  5. tree
    June 30, 2014, 4:04 pm

    The statements from the Israeli officials sound exactly like Richard Landes’ formulation about an “honor and shame” culture, and its need for revenge. Only problem is he got the players backwards.

    • seafoid
      June 30, 2014, 4:23 pm

      They are all designed to play to the gallery of indoctrinated Israelis who want revenge. They can’t break out of the cycle of death and YESHA. The light unto the nations. It was so naïve to think they could take the land and build something good with it that would be better than anything else in the world.

  6. eljay
    June 30, 2014, 4:10 pm

    >> The bodies of three missing Israeli teens … were found today in a West Bank field near the village of Halhul, not far from where they went missing on June 12.

    My sincere sympathies to the parents of the murdered boys.

    What is required now is justice and accountability, not hate-fuelled Zio-supremacist retribution. I hope cooler heads – if there are any to be found among the leaders of the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel – will prevail.

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 7:49 am

      Netanyahu will speak at the funerals this afternoon. Stand by for hasbara on speed. They have always hated us. This antisemitism will never go away.
      Those animals. No mention of the violence necessary to keep YESHA going.

      Interestingly this story brought up some inklings that not everyone behind the Green Line is in lockstep with the settlers. Some have been questioning the logic of the whole project.

  7. seafoid
    June 30, 2014, 4:12 pm

    Rilly GREAT stuff from Jstreet

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.602189
    “J Street issues a statement saying: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the three boys and with the people of Israel at this moment of profound sadness. Tonight, we join them in the mourners’ call that ‘He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel.’” ”

    Hakadosh Baruch Hu – are you sure He supports apartheid, dudes?

    and the major orgs are still singing from the same songbook

    “Robert G. Sugarman, chairman, and Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman, of Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations issue a statement, saying: “We are horrified and devastated by the reports, now confirmed, that the three boys Eyal Yifrach, Gilad Shaar, and Naftali Fraenkel, kidnapped on June 12th, have been found dead in the Hebron area…It is time that the world stand in unity against those who advocate and execute, as well as justify, the murder of innocent young people who are brutally butchered in Israel or anywhere. It cannot be met by indifference or pro-forma expressions of sympathy. For too long the threats against Israel, including missiles and terrorism, have elicited limited responses, with the roles of victims and perpetrators inverted. It must stop.””

    Like violence is going to bring peace to Israel

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 30, 2014, 4:18 pm

      Does anyone know if J Street send out their “thoughts & prayers” for the families of the boys murdered by the Israelis on Nakba Day? Just wondering…

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 5:48 pm

        I highly doubt it. When it comes to the death of young kids, the sympathy and concern is all one sided – their own.

        “”There can be no forgiveness for the killers of children and those who sent them. Now is the time to act,” Israel’s economy minister, Naftali Bennett, said in a statement.”

        Now I would find that statement credible, if he has condemned the killing or kidnapping of Palestinian children, showed the same anger for those who sent IDF troops to kill them too. These people are such big hypocrites.

    • jd65
      June 30, 2014, 8:27 pm

      Robert G. Sugarman… and Malcolm Hoenlein: “[These murders] cannot be met by indifference or pro-forma expressions of sympathy. For too long the threats against Israel, including missiles and terrorism, have elicited limited responses, with the roles of victims and perpetrators inverted. It must stop.”

      This may be the most disgustingly ironic statement I’ve ever read. I’ve not been this terrified for the Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank since Cast Lead. No words to express my frustration and anger right now. This is a very dark day.

      • a blah chick
        July 1, 2014, 8:33 am

        “[These Nakba day murders] cannot be met by indifference or pro-forma expressions of sympathy. For too long the threats against Palestine, including missiles and terrorism, have elicited limited responses, with the roles of victims and perpetrators inverted. It must stop.”

        Works for me.

  8. mijj
    June 30, 2014, 4:12 pm

    > “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu released as statement saying, “Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay.””

    good ol’ Benji .. will always turn tragedy into theater.

    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 4:59 pm

      The words “Drama Queen” comes to mind. He seem to enjoy it though, and will use props if needed.

  9. just
    June 30, 2014, 4:16 pm

    “Israeli minister @naftalibennett says “there is no forgiveness to the murders of children,” “this is the time for actions and not for talk.””

    I am sorry that they are dead. More Palestinian children will be killed in the not too distant future in revenge by the Israelis– so will fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, neighbors, grandfathers, and grandmothers. It’s up to “God” to decide who has asked for “forgiveness” to decide who gets it. Somebody please tell me that the Israelis ever told the truth wrt to this entire episode! Just yesterday, I was reading of Israeli assurances that they were alive. Rudoren’s piece and YNET’s piece last night quoted Mom #1 saying that she’s hopeful while entertaining the world media….. and that there’s time for the other ‘stuff’ later.

    Well, later is now. My condolences to the family, the friends, the world that 3 more humans are gone. Remember what you said, Ms. Fraenkel, in the NYT article: “I really don’t want any Palestinian to get hurt,…” Tell your leaders that.

    All that the Israelis in power and the settlers want to do, as ever, is to erase the Palestinian people– I’m heartsick.

    • seafoid
      June 30, 2014, 4:25 pm

      “I am sorry that they are dead.” They are indeed dead . And killing Palestinians won’t change that.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 30, 2014, 4:25 pm

      I was going to say something similar. At least one of the mothers said only a few days ago that she had reason to be optimistic. And yet according to the article, the Israeli ‘leaders’ suspected the teens were dead all along, which is what Richard Silverstein reported last week.

      I hope some in Israel ask questions about the competence and transparency – or lack thereof – of their ‘leaders’. But no doubt they’ll be too filled with hate and revenge – that whole ‘honour and shame culture’ thing – to see through the brain fog.

    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 5:01 pm

      It is not fair at all. It is not a conflict against two strong parties, but a menacing, well armed one, and people who are helpless. This is a good opportunity for Israel to vent their frustrations and anger against Hamas. This is an opportunity to wipe them out.
      They want the Palestinian people even more vulnerable.

      • seafoid
        June 30, 2014, 5:07 pm

        It’s the same kabuki all the time. Here’s a 2007 performance

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/cabinet-likely-to-back-punishing-gaza-civilians-over-qassams-1.228787

        Far more important than 3 dead settlers is what Netanyahu said on Sunday

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/29/israel-prime-minister-kurdish-independence

        “Netanyahu said that given the threats in the region, Israel would have to maintain a military presence throughout the West Bank for the foreseeable future. “We must be able to stop the terrorism and fundamentalism that can reach us from the east at the Jordan line and not in the suburbs of Tel Aviv. He went on to say that whoever does not accept Israel’s need for a security presence “isn’t facing reality”.”

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 5:23 pm

        Well they are already showing signs they want to annex the West Bank, and have made many moves including ones in the knesset (where these violent actions are decided) so this may be the opportunity. They will finally get rid of the Galilee of all Arabs, using all the violent means they initially intended to, anyway.

      • seafoid
        June 30, 2014, 5:26 pm

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/israeli-mk-gets-a-taste-of-palestinian-humiliation-at-qalandiyah-checkpoint.premium-1.516933

        “And he is scared,” wrote Kol, who has helped advance bills in the fields of children’s rights, violence against children, health and education. “I am scared. I am scared that we will continue living like this. And that fear scares me.”

        Living without a solution . Copyright Likud.

        http://www.utzedek.org/socialjusticetorah/social-justice-articles/100-genocide-in-the-torah-the-existential-threat-of-amalek.html

        “Even if most people would not invoke the commandment to destroy Amalek today, there are certainly those, like Rabbi Riemer, who have ventured to do so. And there has been no dearth of similar, violent invocations in reference to the Palestinians, as well

        In 2004, Benzi Lieberman, chairman of the Council of Settlements, told Jeffrey Goldberg: “We will destroy the Palestinians. We won’t kill them all. But we will destroy their ability to think as a nation. We will destroy Palestinian nationalism.””

        I think that is what the latest focus on Hamas is about. Break the Palestinians so they accept apartheid.

      • Linda J
        June 30, 2014, 9:02 pm

        Yup. Bibi needs to try out some new weapons on the Palestinians so Israel can go to the fall armament shows with evidence of their superiority.

        And we sit here watching our gov’t shoveling our tax money over to Israel by billions. When do we take our thumbs out of our mouths and get out the pitchforks?

    • bintbiba
      June 30, 2014, 8:47 pm

      Heartsick is the word, just ! Heartsick at the senseless killings and heartsick at what will ensue. As Tzvia would say..” I would pray, but i don’t believe in “God”…so what to do? But praying and beseeching is a natural impulse of our humanity. So we still pray to ‘whomever’ ,’whatever’ , ‘ whichever’ Spirit within this mad Universe
      which is also within ourselves. I know I am not making much sense… the heartache is overwhelming.
      Hostage and Walid and several of our esteemed writers will express things so well. I should just stop.

      • Hostage
        July 1, 2014, 7:34 pm

        Heartsick is the word, just ! Heartsick at the senseless killings and heartsick at what will ensue. . . . Hostage and Walid and several of our esteemed writers will express things so well. I should just stop.

        No, it humbles me and leaves me speechless and at a loss for words of comfort or encouragement. I agree that when we slaughter one another’s children, it’s just a sickening spectacle and a senseless tragedy, no matter which side the victims are on. It’s a shame to see either side try and exploit bloody murder for political, nationalist advantage. I hope to see everyone living in freedom and enjoying fundamental human rights, so it discourages me to see, that in this, and other bitter ethnic conflicts, death seems to be the only predictable path to equality and everyone’s dreams are turned to dust when we watch helplessly as mankind’s posterity is cut down.

  10. Walid
    June 30, 2014, 4:17 pm

    West Bank crossings totally shut down even to people with passes. Seems Israeli cabinet is currently debating how hard to hit Gaza.

    • seafoid
      June 30, 2014, 4:32 pm

      They are going to bring out the IDF gimp

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ4w41ZYY9A

      It’ll go on for a few days and then they’ll kill too many civilians , the way they always do when the intensity of their rage clouds their judgement.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shelling_of_Qana
      And they’ll lose another few percentage points of popular support in the West. Because nobody else shares the Jewish fingernail view of human rights they have.

    • bilal a
      June 30, 2014, 8:29 pm

      This is Netanyahu’s crowning achievement and place in history. Jewish Voice for Peace’s one state solution, modified.

      They will annex the WB under the Gluck plan. Palestinians will be granted Jordanian citizenship with the right to apply for loyalty oath- Israeli citizenship, after sufficient screening.

      Gaza will be the Palestinian state or a province of Egypt.

      The Gulf States will privately celebrate.

  11. yonah fredman
    June 30, 2014, 4:31 pm

    Demagogues and politicians in the current Israeli governing coalition do not endear themselves to me, nor do I trust them to do what is best for Israel. In the current circumstances I would like to hear the input of Amram Mitzna, Tzippi Livni or even Larry Derfner, before I would listen to Danon and Bennet.

    This website has spent the last two weeks bowing down to a single word “allegedly”. Of course the righteous would say, no we were bowing down to a single word “evidence”. And maybe so. Maybe that’s what journalism is about. As for me, I’m still in that bar listening to a bullshit artist who’s not willing to admit he was full of it again and who wants to double down on the next bet.

    • Walid
      June 30, 2014, 4:38 pm

      What do you expect to hear from Tzippy (Cast Lead) Livni?

      • seafoid
        June 30, 2014, 4:48 pm

        Zippy would have them killed bishekel liberal.

    • amigo
      June 30, 2014, 4:44 pm

      “In the current circumstances I would like to hear the input of Tzippi Livni “yf

      Why would you want to hear from a war criminal???.

      She is no different from the criminal nietanyahu and his band of merry war mongers.

    • ohiojoes
      June 30, 2014, 5:04 pm

      For all the times the words “brilliant” is used in this echo-chamber , your statement, Yonah, deserves it. The bar room loudmouth analogy is perfect.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 7:48 pm

        “The bar room loudmouth analogy is perfect.”

        For Yonah? Yes it is.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 30, 2014, 5:30 pm

      ”This website has spent the last two weeks bowing down to a single word “allegedly”.

      No, we’re just not indoctrinated enough to take the word of ”Bibi” as gospel.

      BTW there is still no evidence that these teens were kidnapped, let alone by Hamas. If you have any, by all means let us know. Accusations do not equal evidence, no, not even where mere Arabs are concerned.

      • MHughes976
        June 30, 2014, 6:00 pm

        I did suggest the other day that, particularly in the light of the ‘Thai theory’ with the Fogel murders, it would be unwise for us to put too much trust in developing alternatives, even quite plausible ones, to the idea that people in some way connected to Hamas had perpetrated a dreadful deed this time. I also suggested that the degree and nature of the link between individual terrorists and ‘their’ central organisation is always murky (Conrad’s Secret Agent came to mind) and that there are very likely other and different strands within any such organisation. To declare a kind of blood feud against Hamas would not, I think, be wise.
        Well, I have to keep in mind how little feel I have for life in the OT. I just have to remember that it must be worse than I can imagine.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 30, 2014, 6:09 pm

        Define ”people in some way connected to Hamas”. For the Israelis, if your grandson went to the same kindergarten as the daughter of a fifth cousin thrice removed of a ‘Hamas operative’, then you’re ‘connected to Hamas’.

        The burden of proof is on those making an accusation. Always.

      • piotr
        June 30, 2014, 10:52 pm

        During the operation “Pillar of something” a home was destroyed with an entire family in Gaza, and Israel was justifying it by the father being “Hamas employee” as a policeman. According to their crazy criteria, IDF can kill 10 people, 10 thousands, 100 thousands, all can be justified. So far, sometimes they kill 2, sometimes 10, sometimes a 1000.

        And then they pontificate about having “culture of life”, one argument being that they COULD kill more. “If we wanted, we would make a gigantic parking lot”. And that provokes howls of rage “why the anti-patriotic government did not make a parking lot?”

      • MHughes976
        July 1, 2014, 6:10 pm

        What I was suggesting is that there are and must be many, many forms of connection with an organisation like Hamas in the circumstances of the OT. People who are resistance-minded must surely think about Hamas, which among available high-profile groups is the most interested in resistance, and see what it has to offer them. But the ‘western military model’ in which a high command calls for battle-ready units to go into action and the soldiers forming those units carry out an assigned mission is only one of those forms. The real extremists, not to mention the crazy guys, probably think that Hamas is a bit of a sell-out.

      • Elliot
        June 30, 2014, 10:07 pm

        “Well, I have to keep in mind how little feel I have for life in the OT. I just have to remember that it must be worse than I can imagine.”

        Thank you Martin. I appreciated your sensitivity and thoughtful attitude.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 30, 2014, 5:51 pm

      yonah, there was a gag order and no evidence presented. therefore, it was alleged. this is not irresponsible, even abc headline: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-identifies-suspects-alleged-kidnapping-24318192

      did they too bow down? there are too many instances to recall of blatant lies by israeli gov officials to blame anyone but themselves their words are routinely not trusted.

      is this really what we first hear from you today after this breaking news?

      and btw, may they rest in peace. may the souls of all beloved murdered children find union.

    • ritzl
      June 30, 2014, 8:13 pm

      @yf/ohiojoes- How so?

      “As for me, I’m still in that bar listening to a bullshit artist who’s not willing to admit he was full of it again and who wants to double down on the next bet.”

      You go fact, fact, fact, reasonable supposition, then straight to wild accusation.

      In what world does the GoI warrant that kind of faith (assuming you’re relying on GoI, proof-free accusations as the basis for anything remotely resembling sober-talk)?

      Those of us who put ourselves in the place of Palestinans have seen this before. We know what’s coming. We mourn the not-yet-Palestinian-dead (or any senseless dead for that matter), dead children, dead mothers, dead fathers.

      In your terms, “doubling down” is the one and only rhetorical weapon to get people to sit up and take notice of the complete unreasonableness of this latest Israeli rush to kill people. If you dismiss that weapon, then you HAVE to have an alternative (if you’re actually against said rush to kill people). My sense is that you don’t have an alternative. My sense is that, sadly and as always, killing is OK/evolutionary if they’re “others.” You, and people like you have to get a handle on that me-acute v. them-evolutionary divergent world view if you’re to be taken seriously.

      To most normal people, that inability to empathize makes you appear selfish in the extreme, all facts be known.

      • yonah fredman
        June 30, 2014, 8:23 pm

        ritzl- There are three issues involved. 1. Consoling the bereaved, which I would do elsewhere and not here. I bet you the bereaved don’t read MW. 2. Worrying about the reaction of the Israeli government, which I did in my first paragraph. 3. Dealing with the past two weeks of the speculation derby in this comments section encouraged by the authors and editors of this site, like a bunch of barroom drunks, mouthing off as if they are experts in criminal proceedings or in the habits of teenagers on the roads and on the phones in Israel or the West Bank. I listened and listened and today the idiots without even breaking stride to say, “Well, I was wrong,” they launch into their next bunch of groundless speculation. Excuse me for dealing with what I wanted to say and not with what you wanted me to say.

      • ritzl
        June 30, 2014, 8:49 pm

        @yonah- “Speculation Derby?” There is even now, on the eve of another slaughter, no proof of culpability. Who is speculating and what are the implications of that speculation? Whether one defends and/or accepts speculation as the justification for slaughter is the point.

        You can say whatever you want to say.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 30, 2014, 9:05 pm

        Exactly what has changed, yonah? what evidence is there as to who killed these kids (if, in fact they’re dead. Given the denial by Oren was ok even when murder is caught on tape, it must be applied here, too)

        Or is it sufficient that a Jew has blamed it on a non-Jew? Do you require no other evidence when that happens?? I guess Arabs are genetically guilty in your bigoted brain?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 3:35 am

        I listened and listened and today the idiots without even breaking stride to say, “Well, I was wrong,” they launch into their next bunch of groundless speculation.

        excuse me yonah, but let me remind you the information we’ve been recieving is primarily from a government renowned for being liars and thieves. therefore it is, or should be, the norm to doubt every single unconfirmed word uttered. what fool would take the words or allegations of the israeli government at face value? for what reason would a sane person assume they are telling the truth? how long ago was it the representative of this government went on national television and denied palestinian children killed in cold blood were even dead?

        groundless speculation? earth to yonah, speculation is all we’ve got. only an idiot fool would assume a liar has changed his stripes. that’s the thing about liars, you can never trust them ..even when they are telling the truth.

        here’s what i can presume to be true: there are dead bodies, likely killed by someone(s). that’s all i assume to be true. (which btw, is hella more respect than the children slaughtered by israel on nakba day got out of blitzer/oren or the goi)

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 5:49 am

        yonah,

        Show us the frigging evidence of shut the yuk up!!

        YOU have no “right” to Arab Palestine! You have no “right” to mass-murder and ethnically cleanse the natives! You have no “right” to determine which “suspect” should die today! You have no “right” to passive-aggressively attempt to guilt-trip us into swallowing the zionist, propagandistic, bs script!

        Without providing us with indisputable EVIDENCE, you have NO RIGHT to claim the moral high ground!!!

        I suspect an inside job because in context of the timing of the missing teens, hamas had ZERO MOTIVE to commit it. The zionists have done it before: sacrificed their own to gain land – murdering 19 jews in the King David Hotel bombing is one example. Why wouldn’t they do it again at such an opportune time when the feared Palestinian unity was getting plenty of positive reaction from the globe – and the ONLY way to destroy this unity would be to create a horrific and violent incident then pin it on hamas so as to create doubt and suspicion about Palestinians personally and about Palestine as a whole?

        All this dicky whinging won’t get you anywhere around here. But YOU providing EVIDENCE will. So… we’re waiting…… And in the meantime, we will continue to speculate, like frigging normal people do!

      • yonah fredman
        July 1, 2014, 5:57 am

        Good advice costs nothing and it’s worth the price, sang Allan Sherman (my son, the folk singer) back in the 60’s. Speculations cost nothing and it’s worth the price. annie- Don’t tell me that you and taxi were not yukking it up over what are the possible outcomes. But you don’t have to admit anything. Speculation costs nothing, neither dollars nor sense. You don’t need to exhibit any sense in this comments section and even if sometimes you report upstairs for the adults, down here in the kids’ section you are allowed to scream and screech to your hearts’ content. You do not add to the reputation of MW, one day reporting up above and the next day speculating like the other crew of rumor mongers here in the comments section.

    • Djinn
      June 30, 2014, 11:35 pm

      It’s called objective journalism. Something the average Zionist may not be overly familiar with particularly if he/she lives in the US.

      Until someone has claimed responsibility or been discovered to be holding the kids against their will it’s an ALLEGED KIDNAPPING.

      And “bowing down” to evidence is what democracies do, although not, admittedly The Only Democracy in the Middle East (TM)

    • SQ Debris
      July 1, 2014, 1:02 pm

      Today the goi has demolished the family home of a suspect who has not been apprehended, tried, or convicted of a crime. That person’s family is now homeless. This is clearly collective punishment, and a war crime. Whoever kidnapped those boys and murdered them presumably also committed the crime of collective punishment. The goi’s demolition action puts a stamp of approval on that mode of criminal behavior. Or is collective punishment only “good” when committed by zionists? No wonder yonah cringes at the word “evidence.”

  12. Kay24
    June 30, 2014, 5:05 pm

    Of course, the propaganda campaign has already started here. ALL blame on Hamas and the Palestinians, the groundwork being laid by the zionist media, so that the next step by Israel, the pounding of Gaza will be justified.
    I was nauseated to see Jake Tapper of CNN bring on the Israeli ambassador, and I must say he played the part well, looking all injured and the victim already. I switched channels, because I did not want to hear the pathetic, one sided narrative, and I was sure Jake Tapper did not have the decency to ask or mention the killings of the Palestinian kids recently, caught by their own cameramen.

  13. Henry Norr
    June 30, 2014, 5:17 pm

    I trust the Hamas leaders are not staying at home tonight or in the near future…

    BTW, not to be picky but just for accuracy’s sake, even though I just heard BBC join MW in calling Halhul a village, it’s actually a substantial town or small city. According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, it had a population of 22,108 in 2007, but that’s not counting another 10,000 or so in the Arub refugee camp up the road.

  14. Woody Tanaka
    June 30, 2014, 5:28 pm

    Hey, does anyone know if Obama sent a personal expression of grief on behalf of the American people to the family of the Palestinians who were murdered by the I”D”F terrorists, either the ones on Nakba day or those who died since this disappearance?

    • Justpassingby
      June 30, 2014, 6:42 pm

      woody tanaka

      obama is such a hypocrite, how can he stand himself? is he completely brainwashed?

  15. Woody Tanaka
    June 30, 2014, 5:33 pm

    “Coverage of the discovery has included confirmation of something Mondoweiss first reported June 23 – Israeli officials have long suspected the missing teens were already dead. Sheera Frenkel reports for BuzzFeed”

    which, of course, means that when the parents of these three met with Netanyahoo, and Benji was all smiles, yukking it up with the parents for the cameras and for the political gain it got him, I’m guessing he failed to tell them that their children were most likely dead. But, he got a little PR bump, but what is manipulating a parents emotions compare to that??

    • a blah chick
      June 30, 2014, 6:05 pm

      In fact the uncle of one of them said they were given assurances that the guys were still alive 3 or 4 days after they went missing.

      I hope someone is on pogrom watch.

      • lysias
        June 30, 2014, 6:44 pm

        I can’t help thinking of the hours after German diplomat vom Rath died, before the Reichskristallnacht started. I do hope my forebodings prove misplaced.

      • PeterAgur
        June 30, 2014, 7:17 pm

        Lysias, I do not see the point of invoking comparisons between Israel and Nazis in this context, besides derailing this conversation.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 7:33 pm

        I hope someone is on pogrom watch.

        i really hope they do not continue the airstrikes on gaza tonight. there a probably many fearful palestinians at this time.

        I do not see the point of invoking comparisons between Israel and Nazis in this context, besides derailing this conversation.

        what about romans? would that be on topic?

      • PeterAgur
        June 30, 2014, 7:38 pm

        Just about as on topic, yes…
        Yikes. Who is this hateful idiot?

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 7:41 pm

        there are actually waaay to many of them out there right now. reading some of the israel supporters (and israelis) on twitter is very scary.

        but hey, netanyahu is calling for “vengeance for the blood”, that kind of talk is designed to make some people fearful, and others lusting for revenge.

      • PeterAgur
        June 30, 2014, 7:46 pm

        there are actually waaay to many of them out there right now. reading some of the israel supporters (and israelis) on twitter is very scary.

        but hey, netanyahu is calling for blood, literally.

        That is undoubtedly true, unfortunately.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 8:03 pm

        i actually edited that part after i wrote it peter, because he didn’t ‘literally’ call for “blood”. but even invoking that word in the context of vengeance, especially from a leader, is inflammatory/dangerous .

      • Kay24
        June 30, 2014, 7:59 pm

        I wonder what Nathan Hale thinks of those Palestinian kids killed PRIOR to this terrible murder, by the IDF, and the fact that no one flattened Tel Aviv for that. I wonder if Nathan Hale realizes that numbers and facts show one side is losing more of their civilians, and that many kids are being killed or kidnapped too. If Nathan Hale feel outraged about these three kids, he should understand the outrage on the other side too.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 30, 2014, 8:12 pm

        Who? What?? What kids?? Those Arabs aren’t Jews so they don’t count…

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 10:50 pm

        I wonder if Nathan Hale realizes that numbers and facts show one side is losing more of their civilians

        obviously not or he wouldn’t have written ‘israel should ‘adopt’ the Roman form of punishment: 10 of yours for every one of mine’, because the ratio is already more than that.

      • just
        June 30, 2014, 8:11 pm

        Nathan Hale?????

        “Nathan Hale (June 6, 1755 – September 22, 1776) was a soldier for the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War. He volunteered for an intelligence-gathering mission in New York City but was captured by the British and executed. He is probably best remembered for his purported last words before being hanged: “I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country.”[1] Hale has long been considered an American hero and, in 1985, he was officially designated the state hero of Connecticut.[2]” (wiki)

        An Israeli supporter took his name an spews such filth?

      • Elliot
        June 30, 2014, 10:12 pm

        If I remember correctly, there is a statue of Nathan Hale at Yale where he studied briefly. He dropped out to serve in the war. Hale blew his mission by going into a bar in New York on day 1 and mouthed off over a pint of beer about why he was in town. One of the people at the bar turned him in to the British.

  16. Kate
    June 30, 2014, 5:44 pm

    So can you say that it was ‘Hamas’, meaning the leadership, if it was actually done by this clan? Never mind, I’m sure the innocent will pay. I am scared for Gazans and the people of Halhul.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/qawasmeh-clan-hebron-hamas-leadership-mahmoud-abbas.html#

    Accused kidnappers are rogue Hamas branch – by Shlomi Eldar

    “On June 26, the Shin Bet allowed the release of the names of the two men suspected of orchestrating the kidnapping of the three yeshiva (religious high school) students in the Etzion settlement bloc. The suspects are Marwan Qawasmeh and Amar Abu Aisha.
    According to Palestinian sources, Palestinian security forces had already reported to Israel that these two suspects had disappeared from Hebron within 24 hours of the abduction. That was the first clue in the investigation and the reason why Israel pointed an accusatory finger at the Hamas infrastructure in Hebron. But while Israel continues to accuse the Hamas movement and its leadership of being responsible for the abduction, Palestinian security forces attribute the abduction to the Qawasmeh clan of Hebron specifically. Though the clan is known for identifying with Hamas, it also has a well-earned reputation as troublemakers. Not only does it tend to ignore the movement’s leaders. It even acts counter to the policies being advocated by the movement.
    That is why officials in the Palestinian Authority (PA) were shocked by the timing of the three boys’ abduction, just two weeks after the establishment of a Palestinian unity government. After all, the very creation of this new coalition came with the assumption that the Hamas leadership had come to terms with reality and moderated their positions.
    Enter the Qawasmeh clan. The total number of people belonging to the clan is estimated at about 10,000, making it one of the three largest clans in the Mount Hebron region. At least 15 members of the family were killed during the second intifada, nine of them while committing suicide attacks against Israel.
    (…)
    Each time Hamas had reached an understanding with Israel about a cease-fire or tahadiyeh (period of calm), at least one member of the family has been responsible for planning or initiating a suicide attack, and any understandings with Israel, achieved after considerable effort, were suddenly laid waste. If there is a single family throughout the PA territories whose actions can be blamed for Israel’s assassination of the political leadership of Hamas, it is the Qawasmeh family of Hebron.

  17. Kris
    June 30, 2014, 5:46 pm

    Just heard the report on “All Things Considered,” on NPR, in which the anchor spoke with an NPR reporter in Jerusalem. Not one word indicating that Hamas denies responsibility for the disappearance and deaths of these Israelis. Not one word about the recent murder by the IDF of the Palestinian teenagers that was captured on film. For NPR, this is the story: Hamas killed the Israelis, and we know it’s true, because Netanyahu said so.

    The NPR reporter said that Netanyahu will call for even more “settlement” building. Not one word indicating that these “settlements” are nothing more than theft on a grand scale.

  18. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 30, 2014, 5:54 pm

    As’ad Abu Khalil has often pointed out that Israel reserves its worst massacres for the World Cup, when the media’s attention will be elsewhere. Think both the 1982 and 2006 invasions of Lebanon.

    I’m scared, and I’m safe and comfortable. I can’t imagine how terrified the people of Palestine must be. It’s clear that the cowards of Zion have had a long-planned bombardment of Gaza ready to roll out, just waiting for the pretext. It’s terrifying. And the world will say and do absolutely NOTHING.

    • hophmi
      June 30, 2014, 6:54 pm

      LOL. Yes, it’s all a BIGGGGGG CONSPIRACY. Israel orchestrated the kidnapping just so they could respond during the World Cup. You people make me sick. I hope your children never get kidnapped.

      • amigo
        June 30, 2014, 7:07 pm

        “You people make me sick.” hopknee

        Well , lets hope we can up the ante and take you out of your misery.

      • ohiojoes
        June 30, 2014, 7:51 pm

        Why hope their children don’t get kidnapped? Clearly it’s the only way they’ll learn.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 30, 2014, 8:07 pm

        Why hope their children don’t get kidnapped? Clearly it’s the only way they’ll learn.

        are you serious? are you justifying the kidnap and murder of the jewish teens as retribution for the nakba day murders of palestinian boys? you can’t be.

        if jewish/israeli murderers need to learn a lesson abducting children is not (ever) the way to go about it.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 30, 2014, 7:19 pm

        ” Israel orchestrated the kidnapping just so they could respond during the World Cup. ”

        Not what I said though, is it?

        ”You people make me sick.’

        Go away then.

        ”I hope your children never get kidnapped.”

        And I hope that if anything so dreadful were to happen, I wouldn’t have to depend on an incompetent police force more interested in using them as political tools rather than finding them. I’d also hope that they’d keep their minds open to all options and not try to force the narrative by selectively releasing bits of information. I’d also hope that they wouldn’t give me false hope when they probably knew all along they were dead.

        Luckily, I don’t live in a country where ideology trumps humanity.

      • Cliff
        June 30, 2014, 8:41 pm

        @hoppy

        You people make me sick.

        Who is ‘you people’? You are unhinged.

        It’s probably a good thing you were born Jewish and not Palestinian. You’d become a suicide bomber if you were Palestinian. But since you’re Jewish and have never been oppressed and never been abused, the most your inner demons can muster are these PATHETIC histrionic comments on an internet blog.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 30, 2014, 10:14 pm

        “I hope your children never get kidnapped.”

        I’m not a participant in the theft of the land of and oppression of another people so I think I have much less to fear there than those who do…

      • talknic
        June 30, 2014, 10:21 pm

        @ hophmi “Yes, it’s all a BIGGGGGG CONSPIRACY. Israel orchestrated the kidnapping just so they could respond during the World Cup”

        If you say so hop ….. no one else did. On its first step your strawman turns to chaff already

        ” You people make me sick”

        Spewing over your own straw isn’t a good look

        “I hope your children never get kidnapped”

        I hope no one gets kidnapped! Unfortunately the Israeli govt DOESN’T CARE! It actively encourages its citizens to be illegally in occupied territories where they might become victims of the consequences of occupying another people and their territory. GC IV is for the protection of ALL civilians incl those of “Israel, the Occupying Power”.

        You’re bitching at the wrong people hop. Take your pathetic whining to the morons who’re responsible

      • Taxi
        June 30, 2014, 11:23 pm

        hops,

        Our “children” WON’T get kidnapped cuz they ain’t frigging colonialists jackbooting their way around on foreign lands. Nor are they brainwashed into a pathological state of grotesque entitlement.

        You need to stfu or produce EVIDENCE that the Palestinian suspects are actually guilty.

      • Djinn
        June 30, 2014, 11:44 pm

        I will never endanger my children by making them live in a war zone to satisfy my insane religious nationalism.

        You Zionists make me sick. I hope you never have to console your children as the bombs rain down, never watch your house been blown up because of something some relative of yours is ALLEGED to have done.i hope you never watch your child die because someone else government refuses to let them out of an open air prison for life saving medical treatment.

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 8:41 am

        Somehow the tone of your comment shows the last sentence is hardly sincere. If we make you sick, imagine how “sick” and fed up, the militarily occupied people of Palestine must feel. They have been made to look the villains, despite losing much of their lands, control of their water, farmers constantly been harassed by squatters condemned by the entire world, loss of crops, olive trees stolen, children kidnapped, killed, or live with guns pointed at them, and knowing their lives are taken over by illegal squatters, who keep pretending they are the victims.

  19. Shingo
    June 30, 2014, 6:01 pm

    Terrible news.

    A few observations.

    1. Interesting how Israeli apologists always insist that settlemts are not an impediment to peace, yet Israeli leaders often push for more of them as punishment

    2. We have seen less evidence of their deaths than we saw of the Nakba Day murders, yet one could only imagine the howls of outrage at suggestions this was faked a la Oren’s diatribes.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 30, 2014, 6:12 pm

      I don’t think it was faked.

      BUT I do question the ”Hamas theory” and I do wonder why it took nearly 3 weeks to find the bodies in land only ten minutes from where they disappeared. Apparently, they were found by ‘civilian volunteers’ almost by chance, so for all the hundreds of arrests, this clearly was not intelligence led. A lot of unanswered questions.

      • Taxi
        June 30, 2014, 11:32 pm

        The civilian volunteer saw some plants that ‘shouldn’t have been there’ and when he moved them, he found a pile of stones covering the two bodies – the third body was shallowly buried.

        A premeditated murder will have the murderer at least turning up to the crime scene better prepared to dispose of the corpses.

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 8:43 am

        One theory is that they pretended they had not found the bodies, so that they could pummel Gaza and keep the pretense going, so that they can decimate more of Gaza. The way those bodies were found was a bit odd.

    • Taxi
      June 30, 2014, 11:25 pm

      Shingo,
      You mean Jewywood?

  20. a blah chick
    June 30, 2014, 6:18 pm

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    So they’ve been looking for these people for more two weeks all over the west bank & when they’re found by volunteers?! How were the bodies missed? Were they moved to where they were found? What evidence is there that the suspects named are guilty of anything other than being pissed off & Palestinian?

    Those guys don’t stand a chance, they are dead men walking.

  21. Amar
    June 30, 2014, 6:20 pm

    Translation: Hamas is responsible but the Palestinian people will pay.

  22. a blah chick
    June 30, 2014, 6:38 pm

    Is anyone in Israel pointing out the gross ineptitude of their vaunted security\military apparatus?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 30, 2014, 7:22 pm

      That’s what I was wondering. There’s also the fact that one or more of the mothers said she had ‘reason to believe’ the boys was alive, when officials appear to have known all along that they were probably dead.

      Of course, an intelligent, mature society would be asking serious questions of their leaders in such a situation. However, we’re not dealing with an intelligent, mature society, but with a brainwashed populace seething with hatred for the others. So I expect only a few will be asking any hard questions, and they’ll probably be dismissed as weak Arab loving lefties.

    • Taxi
      June 30, 2014, 11:37 pm

      Is ANYONE in isreal teaching their kids about the dangers of hitchhiking? Is the government releasing public safety messages WARNING their citizens NOT to hitchhike in a war zone for ANY reason?

      No f*cking way!

      They’re probably encouraging their kids to hitchhike armed with firepower and vengeance.

  23. Justpassingby
    June 30, 2014, 6:40 pm

    Now the moron obama have condemned it, was it abe foxman that called him?

  24. crone
    June 30, 2014, 6:42 pm

    First of all, my condolences to the families of the three settlement teens. I concur w/ all those here who have expressed concern for the many young Palestinians killed by IDF. The death of young people, regardless of who they are, is always tragic. Also, I agree w/ those here who see Israel using the tragedy of the murdered settlers to escalate what is nothing more than a killing spree against innocent Palestinians, a psyops campaign of terror.

    Simultaneously, we have ISIS/Alqada also (imho) raging a psyops campaign of terror all over the Syria/Iraqi countryside, not that far from Israel… but apparently evoking not the first fear in Israel.

    Is there not the tiniest concern for retaliation from ISIS? Why is that, I ask myself?

  25. Hostage
    June 30, 2014, 6:53 pm

    That is true, but nonetheless, the US failure to intervene on the Arabs’ behalf does not count as the Israelis relying on the US for support for their actions.

    What are you talking about? The US co-authored the report of the Anglo-American Inquiry regarding the fact that the Jewish Agency was complicit in the on-going public terror campaign carried-out by the illegal militias. Eliyahu Epstein and Moshe Shertok discussed the Israeli plan with Secretary Marshall and Under Secretary Lovett to reject the UN demand for a cease fire and to rely on cutting a modus vivendi agreement at some point with Abdullah. The week before Shertok and Epstein’s meeting with Secretary Marshall and Under-Secretary Lovett the representatives of the Jewish Agency had been in the Security Council demanding a truce. These behind the barn consultations between the two governments took place while the Security Council was supposedly “seized of the matter” and everyone involved knew that the Jewish Agency and the illegal militias were conducting a massive ethnic cleansing campaign described in reports from the US Counsul to Jerusalem, Thomas C. Wasson. The FRUS records that:

    Mr. Lovett gave a lengthy exposition of recent events bearing on the Palestine problem. He recalled that on the preceding Saturday, May 8, the Political Representative of the Jewish Agency, Mr. Moshe Shertok, had called upon the Secretary and himself, accompanied by Dr. Epstein. Mr. Shertok had related that the British Minister for Colonial Affairs, Sir Arthur Creech Jones, had told him that Abdullah, the King of Transjordan, might enter the Arab portions of Palestine but that there need be no fear that Abdullah’s forces, centered upon the British subsidized and officered Arab Legion, would seek to penetrate Jewish areas of Palestine. Furthermore, Mr. Shertok told the Secretary that a message, a week delayed in transmission, had been received from the Jewish Agency in Palestine, recounting overtures by a Colonel Goldy, an officer of the Arab Legion, suggesting that a deal could be worked out between Abdullah and the Jewish Agency whereby the King would take over the Arab portion of Palestine and leave the Jews in possession of their state in the remainder of that country.
    Mr. Lovett said that this intelligence had obviously caused an abrupt shift in the position of the Jewish Agency. Only a week ,before, the Jewish Agency had officially communicated to the Security Council its charges that Arab armies were invading Palestine. Likewise, only a week before, Mr. Shertok and other representatives of the Jewish Agency had seemed seriously interested in proposed articles of truce. Now, however, their attitude had shifted and they seemed confident, on the basis of recent military successes and the prospect of a “behind the barn” deal with Abdullah, that they could establish their sovereign state without any necessity for a truce with the Arabs of Palestine.

    — Foreign relations of the United States, 1948. The Near East, South Asia, and Africa, Volume 5, page 973. link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

    None of this was ever discussed with the regular members of the Security Council, where Truman had already guaranteed there would be no military intervention to stop what was going on. That makes the US government officials accomplices, co-conspirators, or accessories after the fact.

    • W.Jones
      July 1, 2014, 5:08 pm

      Dear Hostage,

      You showed that the US knew that the ethnic cleansing had occurred in 1948, and that the US guaranteed that it would not intervene militarily to force a truce. That is not the same thing as actively promoting or assisting the ethnic cleansing.

      If there were forces that were ready to intervene and the US seriously prevented them from doing so, then that would be another story. But I am unaware of such forces being stopped by the US. The British provided at least minor logistical support to Jordan and Egypt: its military advisors participated in Jordan’s ranks, while British airplanes were shot down by the IAF. If the British, Greeks, or Russians were going to send in a force to stop the fighting, but were blocked by the US, that would be a different story.

      Granted, in law I think that the US only needs to act to block others in some way to be an accomplice. But if no one was going to intervene, then I don’t think that it really counts as “the Israelis would not have done the ethnic cleansing but for the US”. And in fact, they weren’t going to seriously intervene, unfortunately, because the “guardian”, Britain, was in the process of leaving.

      Thus, there really have been times, like the Nakba and the 1956 Suez Invasion, when the Israeli state was not relying on active US support for it to carry out its attacks. For better or worse, the vision and drive for a religious-nationalist state long precedes even the creation of the U.S.

      In any case, your discussion with me is not directly related to the article on Hamas, so I welcome you to continue the discussion on Mondoweiss’ Friendfeed board:
      https://friendfeed.com/mondoweiss-on-friendfeed

      • Hostage
        July 1, 2014, 7:09 pm

        That is not the same thing as actively promoting or assisting the ethnic cleansing. . . . link to friendfeed.com

        Ethnic cleansing (forced deportation, displacement, aka population transfer) was a serious crime against humanity and a war crime that the US government prosecuted German and allied Axis officials for under Article 6 of the Nuremberg Charter. I don’t need to discuss the idea that accomplices, co-conspirators, or accessories after the fact are criminals on friendfeed.com, I’ve already explained joint criminal enterprises here in the past.

      • W.Jones
        July 1, 2014, 8:50 pm

        Hello, Hostage.
        Your initial claim was that “The Zionist movement has relied upon the government and people of the United States from the moment it came into existence and at every step along the way, until now.”

        This is incorrect, because it was not relying on the US when it carried out the Nakba. The US government was not actively assisting the Israeli State in doing so. If a person commits a crime and another person promises due to pressure that he won’t interfere, the criminal is not “relying” on the bystander to take an action. Neither the US nor the British were going to intervene, and if those governments were taken out of the picture in 1948, the Israeli State would still have carried out its ethnic cleansing.

        The US failure to act did not make it an accomplice. Failing to stop a crime is not a crime. Did the US promise to block any intervention? That would make it an accomplice under the law, I believe.

        But in any case, even without such a promise, the Israelis would have done it anyway. Take Chomsky’s pro-peace kibbutz. They did not carefully think about international repercussions. They just felt that the neighboring friendly village “had to” be expelled. It’s just the frightening logic of colonialism. The British left in part because they were not willing to get bogged down fighting a guerilla war against Israeli nationalists.

        So: The Israelis were not relying on the US to do anything in 1948 to carry out the Nakba. And absent serious US intervention, the Nakba still would have been carried out, since it even began illegally under British rule.

      • Hostage
        July 2, 2014, 2:31 am

        This is incorrect, . . . since it even began illegally under British rule.

        Sorry but the record is perfectly clear. The United States repeatedly prevented the Security Council from performing its primary responsibilities, and the Nakba and its immediate aftermath was one of those occasions. Once the British announced their plans for early withdrawal in September of 1947, the purchase of US arms and surplus equipment began in earnest. But it had already been going on for ages. There were even Op-Eds in the NY Times begging Eleanor Roosevelt and the US public to stop providing material support to the Irgun terrorist organization through its Bergson front group. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/israel-spies-other.html#comment-664736

        Although officials in the War and State Departments were aware of the arms and equipment acquisitions, they took no action to stop it. I pointed out above that the US, as a party to the Anglo-American Palestine Mandate Convention, had conducted an official inquiry. It determined that the Jewish Agency had gone over to the dark side and was cooperating with terrorist organizations that were trying to overthrow the legitimate government; threatening public safety in Palestine; and carrying out assassinations of British officials in neighboring states. Nonetheless, the US government officials permitted material support to be provided to those organizations with the knowledge that it would be used by the illegal organizations responsible for those serious crimes.

        At the time, US officials acknowledged that the operations conducted by the groups constituted a threat to international peace and security. The US Consul in Jerusalem cabled Washington in April and advised that the Jewish Agency, aided by Irgun and Lehi were carrying out massacres. The US UN delegation reported that those groups were the “aggressors”. In 1948 that was a term of art for the most serious of all international crimes. Nothing you’ve said changes the roles played by US officials and members of the US public in helping to fund, organize, man, train, and equip the illegal militias that perpetrated the Nakba and prevent the UN from taking appropriate action.

      • Hostage
        July 2, 2014, 4:44 am

        P.S. @ W.Jones It goes without saying that entire volumes, like Baksheesh Diplomacy: Secret Negotiations between American Jewish Leaders and Arab Officials on the Eve of World War II, have been written about the many forced and so-called “voluntary” population transfer schemes (bribes paid to the receiving state’s Arab officials), including ones floated by Americans and by FDR himself. So the US government was a co-conspirator. A Royal Inquiry Commission recommended partition and a forced exchange of populations in 1937.

        Ben Gurion responded with an editorial which explained that the only thing that would keep the Jews from taking over all of Palestine was British military force:

        The Jewish people have always regarded, and will continue to regard Palestine as a whole, as a single country which is theirs in a national sense and will become theirs once again. No Jew will accept partition as a just and rightful solution.

        The proposal of the Royal Commission to set up a Jewish State in a restricted area is to put a drastic limit to the possibilities of a Jewish return, and to condemn the rest of the country to stagnation and desolation.

        Anything may be imposed on a defenceless Jewish people by the superior forces of the British Empire, just as the Jewish people had in the past to submit to the destruction of their country by the Roman legions, and in our own times to their persecution by Nazi Germany and other countries.

        But they can never regard the proposal as something which is right and just in itself.

        — See “The Jews”, David Ben Gurion, The Palestine Post, Thursday, July 15, 1937, Page:5 http://www.jpress.nli.org.il/Olive/APA/NLI/SharedView.Article.aspx?parm=ONsPjPvQUedRzzxVb2rMK%2Fl5IZ7a%2Bw1LsYURsSoVb%2BVmTLzWPQiFbP3uLgrssww5Yw%3D%3D&mode=image&href=PLS%2F1937%2F07%2F15&page=5

        The Zionists advised the US government as early as 1943 that they intended to impose a solution on their Arab neighbors by force and were no longer interested in a negotiated settlememt:

        “I have noted in discussions with Zionist spokesmen visiting Cairo recently a marked hardening in their attitude (possibly owing in part to increased confidence resulting from alleged large-scale clandestine arming by Jews in Palestine) which in several cases has taken the form of frankly admitting that it is idle to continue to talk of “negotiations” with Arabs, in balance obvious that any solution satisfactory to Zionists would have to be “imposed” on Arabs by threat or use of force and this latter the only realistic line of action to adopt.

        — Kirk link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

        Nothing changed after 1948:

        In 1956, Ben-Gurion proposed the division of Jordan: “Jordan has no right to exist and should be partitioned. Eastern Transjordan should be ceded to Iraq (then under a pro-Western monarchy), which would offer to accept and re­settle the Arab refugees. The territory to the West of the Jordan should be made an autonomous region of Israel.” As for the Gaza and Sinai, Sharett’s diaries reveal that Dayan and Ben-Gurion began planning a war of territorial conquest against Egypt in 1953, even before Nasser came to power and turned to the Soviet Union for arms.

        — Critical Essays on Israeli Social Issues and Scholarship: Books on Israel, Volume III, SUNY Press, 1994, page 185 link to books.google.com

        Accordingly, Ben Gurion’s initial testimony to UNSCOP called for a Jewish state in all of Palestine established by force and administered as a UN trusteeship by the Jewish Agency. He suggested that Palestinians would have to seek their self-determination in one of the many Arab states.
        http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/7735B7DC144807B985256E8B006F4A71

        There was never any doubt that the Zionists intended to seize Palestine and drive off as many Arab inhabitants as the international community would permit and that US government officials like FDR and citizens like his wife and Rabbi Silver were co-conspirators in population transfer schemes and providing material support for Jewish terrorism.

  26. Daniel Rich
    June 30, 2014, 6:58 pm

    No matter whose side you are on, the loss of three young lives is heartbreaking and my sympathy goes out to every bereaved family. May your children rest in peace.

    I find the timing of all this beyond words [and way beyond my comprehension of that elusive thing called ‘truth’].

    • lonely rico
      June 30, 2014, 7:31 pm

      @ Daniel Rich

      …the loss of three young lives is heartbreaking and my sympathy goes out to every bereaved family.

      Shouldn’t that read – ” … the loss of of 3 Israeli plus 5 (or more) Palestinian lives is heartbreaking” ?
      Brings to mind the poster – Palestinian child KILLED EVERY FOUR DAYS !
      Equally heartbreaking is the IDF who we can now expect to go berserk and (again) use their massive military machine and total lack of humanity to kill and maim and destroy.

      • Daniel Rich
        June 30, 2014, 9:05 pm

        @ lonely rico,

        My comment reflects the death of 3 Israeli youth. If I don’t care about their death [simply because they are Israeli] I’d be a bigoted monster [which I hope I am not], so I feel sorry for their family members, friends and loved ones.

        If you doubt my sincerity, don’t take my word for it, check my other comments and judge for yourself.

  27. Basilio
    June 30, 2014, 7:05 pm

    Obviously, it’s bad news to hear those youths were murdered in cold-blood. They were defenseless, unarmed. It would be one thing if they were combatants. Yes, they were settlers and some people don’t feel sympathy for settlers just as some Algerian militants didn’t for the Pieds Noirs among them. The reality is Israel kills so many Palestinians including youths using many excuses, and it is quick to bomb Palestinians, which leads to the deaths of youths. It had some soldiers recently kill a couple of unarmed Palestinians, and the IDF defended it all. If Israel’s Netanyahu says that it’s all the fault of Hamas, and they will kill the leadership, which may have nothing to do with this, Israel’s populace will cheer along blindly for such deaths. Netanyahu has done the opposite of championing peace, so, in a way, he’s also responsible for the deaths of those young men. Israel risks lives of young soldiers and others for the sake of some nationalist extremism. It’s all madness.
    It’s too bad some horrible idiots had to kill those youths.

  28. Feathers
    June 30, 2014, 7:05 pm

    At least Obama has a template for how to respond to the death of an American with dual citizenship: Furkan Dogan http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/documents-execution-american.html

  29. concernedhuman
    June 30, 2014, 7:23 pm

    Why is it that Israel gets away with the killings ?

    Israel got away bombing USS Liberty
    Israel got away killing rachel Corrie
    Israel got away shooting 2 Palestinian kids and there is evidence of it but nothing done?
    Israel got away killing ten Turks on Mavi Marara
    Israel got away with killing 6 Palestinians and arresting hundreds with out a reason ?!!
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    • Kay24
      June 30, 2014, 10:01 pm

      Israel gets away with murder and mayhem, because it is well protected, armed, and supported, by the US (through their lobbies), and that they have adopted the strategy of accusing anyone standing up to them, or criticizing their endless crimes, as being anti-semitic. The US and the EU have been made to feel they owe Israel big time, and have to pay for generations and generations. I think nations are getting wiser, and now able to stand up to the intimidation, and now even warning their citizens to not invest in land now holding illegal settlements and businesses.

  30. amigo
    June 30, 2014, 7:40 pm

    I am watching AJ on the attacks on Gaza and the alledged kidnapping.AJ is showing live videos of Illegal settler “teens playing table tennis.Why don,t they show us photos of these price tag illegal settler terrorists at their games, so the truth about these vermin is shared with those who might otherwise be easily hoodwinked into thinking these so called teens are just ordinary kids doing kids stuff.

    Hell , even AJ can,t tell the facts without the use of misleading images.

  31. a blah chick
    June 30, 2014, 7:41 pm

    I’m not accusing anyone but I think the police need to interview the people who found the bodies, to make sure that they didn’t have special knowledge about where to look.

    • Kris
      June 30, 2014, 10:20 pm

      What police? The Israeli police? Maybe the people they should interview are the Shin Bet.

      It all seems so fishy–Israel is known to take advantage of distractions (such as the World Cup or Obama’s inauguration) to carry out big slaughters. Israel looked bad after the world saw the IDF troops murder the Palestinian teenagers. BDS is becoming more and more popular. Israel is committed to ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and needs a pretext to grab as much more Palestinian land as possible right away.

    • Djinn
      July 2, 2014, 4:16 am

      That would be the normal course of events in a democracy – under a belligerent occupation of the Zionist kind it really doesn’t matter unless the people who found them were not Jewish, then they would obviously be suspicious.

      I’m still trying to fathom how it is that ‘civilian volunteers’ found the bodies on land belonging to a family member of someone accused (with zero evidence natch) by Israel of the crime. Were settlers roaming around the West Bank with shovels randomly digging holes? Did the perpetrators really just cover the bodies with some stones on land connected to them? During a MASSIVE manhunt?

      Either the civilian volunteers have remarkable luck or the perpetrators are almost too stupid to be walking and talking let alone planning and carrying out a kidnapping in an area controlled by Israel.

  32. jimby
    June 30, 2014, 9:31 pm

    I wonder if this is time to bring in Mohammed Dahlan, He is being groomed to lead the PLO and now Hamas is set to be exterminated by the Isrealis. In case nobody remembers Dahlan, he was the warlord in Gaza who tried to overthrow Hamas shortly after they were elected to lead the Palestinians.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/10/mohammad-dahlan-fatah-plo-abbas-uae.html#

    • jimby
      June 30, 2014, 9:52 pm

      this is a more recent and more relevant article that says that Dahlan will run for President. dated april 2014

      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/04/mohammed-dahlan-wife-interview-presidency-gaza.html#

    • Walid
      July 1, 2014, 1:41 pm

      He was described by George Bush as “our guy”, so it gives you an idea of what he’s about (I’m quoting Vanity Fair); he was reputed to hold the monopoly on cement and fuel in Gaza. I think the only minister that didn’t have a monopoly on something or other was Mustafa Barghouti and Israel did everything to hinder his presidential campaign against Abbas. Dahlan would sail into the presidency with ease; America loves him.

      • jimby
        July 1, 2014, 4:08 pm

        Dahlan would be a nightmare for the Palestinians. I want to say he is Machiavellian but I much admire Machiavelli as a poet and playwright. Let’s just say he is a toady sycophantic worm who’s word is of no value and his motives the worst; maybe it would be a wake-up to an intifada.

  33. Qualtrough
    June 30, 2014, 10:37 pm

    Nothing will stop the Zionists until their life support system is cut off. As long as the US gives them dollars and carte blanche to use them and provides them with cover at the UN and other world bodies the kind of reprisals we are about to see will take place. Peaceful methods by the Palestinians will not work because they are not dealing with the British in India. They are dealing with Zionists who haven’t the slightest compunction about killing people they do not even regard as fully human.

  34. a blah chick
    June 30, 2014, 10:56 pm

    Some unanswered questions:

    I’m going with the idea that these guys were lured somewhere (maybe into car) and then kidnapped. Given the level of anti-Arab racism amongst Israelis Jews why would these guys get into car driven by two Arabs? Did the snatcher(s) speak good enough Hebrew to fool them? Do the suspects named speak Hebrew? Or was it too dark for the lads to see how swarthy their drivers were? And if they were taken violently why didn’t anyone report seeing or hearing anything? Or did they? Also is there any surveillance video? And finally where is the evidence that the named suspects had ANYTHING to do with the killings? Is it possible that they went to ground because they did not want to go back into custody?

    • Citizen
      July 1, 2014, 4:05 am

      Didn’t one of the three teens make a cell phone call to his mother, saying he was being kidnapped?

      • a blah chick
        July 1, 2014, 6:50 am

        Yes, but how did the kidnapping go down? If it required force why weren’t they all tied up so one could use his phone? It seems they may have been lured away and I wonder how this was done.

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 1:46 pm

        Maybe the lurers wore uniforms and helmets that looked like mushroom caps, abc.

  35. Taxi
    June 30, 2014, 11:06 pm

    Hang on a sec! If hamas were the kidnappers, they WOULDN’T have killed the three teens cuz they’re worth more alive than dead – read Shalit. Don’t let the crocodile tears and bomb smoke distract you from what is evidently EXTREMELY fishy!

    Grim injustice to be punishing the families of the SUSPECTS!!! They’re still SUSPECTS for eff’s sakes!

    My only hope at this stage is that this diabolical false flag op and it’s resultant violent zio tyranny will drain the tourist season right out of fascist israel this summer.

    • Denis
      July 1, 2014, 8:02 pm

      Yeah, Taxi, I think a healthy dose of skepticism is in order. But the GoI line is that the kids were kidnapped for exactly the reason you say, but when the bad guys realized the good guys made a phone call, the whole plan went south. One version has the kids being tapped while the phone line was still open.

      Someone above raised the question of how does one make a cell call while being tied up. [Sorry I’m too lazy to wade back through the comments.] It’s an excellent point. ToI has reported that the bodies all had their hands bound. No idiot would have bound the kids’ hands after they were killed, so if they were tapped while the phone call was live as according to IDF, then the 2 min. phone call had to be placed by a teenager packed into the back of a small car with two other guys all three of whom had their hands tied.

      This is never-never land, as in never happened.

      I took a lot of heat here for being skeptical about the Nakba murders, and I’m still skeptical. We have yet to see the autopsy report; just “leaks,” and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. I am equally skeptical about how this triple murder went down, meaning I am skeptical that there was a triple murder. When unanswered questions are accumulating faster than answered ones, any conclusion is premature.

  36. MahaneYehude1
    June 30, 2014, 11:18 pm

    In this hard day, I am proud to be Israeli!!!

    Israel did all efforts to find the teens.

    Thank you Israel! Thank you Israel Defense Forces! Thank you citizens of Israel!

    • Taxi
      July 1, 2014, 2:39 am

      Enjoy your ‘pride’ Mahane, while the cycle of violence continues. Enjoy your disgusting, revolting bloodlust.

      And I hope you don’t top yourself when you find out that your own government killed their own teens for more Palestinian land.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 4:11 am

        And I hope you don’t top yourself when you find out that your own government killed their own teens for more Palestinian land.

        MY will probably find that another reason to take pride in.

    • Walid
      July 1, 2014, 2:44 am

      Mahane, you have a twisted sense of pride.

    • Shingo
      July 1, 2014, 3:03 am

      In this hard day, I am proud to be Israeli!!!

      That’s odd. You should be ashamed you were so unable to protect these youths and allowed them to wander into danger.

      What a shame you Israelis are so willing to sacrifice your children. Perhaps the day you love your children more than you love violence and stealing land, there will be peace.

      • jon s
        July 1, 2014, 10:33 am

        I assume that Mahane Yehuda1 was expressing his pride in the high degree of empathy and solidarity expressed in Israeli society on this day.
        The terrorist murderers have “succeeded ” in arousing sympathy for the settlers as never before. They have done great harm to the Palestinian cause. Real geniuses.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 11:39 am

        jon s,

        You’re also ‘assuming’ that the killers are Palestinian. So I’ll say it again (this time with feeling): either provide irrefutable evidence that a Palestinian committed the murders, or STFU.

      • jon s
        July 1, 2014, 4:16 pm

        Taxi, why not stay with your disgusting reflections on the skin color of the murdered boys?
        In fact, I didn’t say that a Palestinian committed the murders.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 11:36 pm

        jon s,

        What’s “disgusting” is your zionism and it’s insidious, vulgar, immoral racism. Disgusting is the way zionism turned Arab jews against their brethren Arab moslem and Arab christian. What’s disgusting is how israel is trying to turn Palestinian christians against Palestinian moslems. What disgusting is your defense of the ONLY Apartheid state in the whole world!!!

        You wanna talk about skin color? Let’s talk about the nasty color your skin turns when White Phosphorous rains on it!

        You most definitely were implying that Palestinians were the “terrorists” – just go back and re-read your own words mister disgusted!

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 1:16 pm

        jon, about your comment on the Balfour thread (that’s now closed for comments), what did you mean that the agreement was between Faisal and Weizmann? I know this document almost by heart, but couldn’t make out what you were driving at. Please explain.

        About your comment here, you are assuming that the killers are terrorists and that they may be Palestinians, as Taxi already noted. We still don’t know for sure who the killers are. They could be Palestinians, they could be Israeli Jews.

      • jon s
        July 1, 2014, 4:22 pm

        I was referring to the Faisal-Weizmann agreement of 1919:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement

      • Hostage
        July 2, 2014, 1:06 pm

        I was referring to the Faisal-Weizmann agreement of 1919:

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        The Sykes-Picot agreement always contained a provision that required “consultations between “other allies” and the representatives of the Sharif of Mecca” on the form of government that was to be adopted in the international condominium in the brown area of the map annexed to the Sykes-Picot agreement. That loophole was deliberate and it was a mile wide. The very first mention of the Balfour Declaration in the War Cabinet meeting attended by Sykes, took place immediately after a discussion about the Zionist allies and the Jewish brigade (the Zionist Mule Corps).

        Mark Sykes had been approached by Zionists and Armenians wanting their own states, while he served on the DeBunsen Committee in 1915. He was advised that he would not get the support of American Jews, unless he gave them Palestine. He traveled to Hedjaz with Picot after the McMahon-Hussein correspondence had taken place and finalized its terms and the boundaries of the independent Arab State with the Hashemites.

        Here are the terms of Sykes-Picot which postponed a determination on the government of Palestine and allowed for the conclusion of subsequent agreements between the allies, like the one adopted after the Feisal-Weizmann consultation:

        That France and Great Britain are prepared to recognize and protect an independent Arab states or a confederation of Arab states (a) and (b) marked on the annexed map, under the suzerainty of an Arab chief. That in area (a) France, and in area (b) Great Britain, shall have priority of right of enterprise and local loans. That in area (a) France, and in area (b) Great Britain, shall alone supply advisers or foreign functionaries at the request of the Arab state or confederation of Arab states.

        That in the blue area France, and in the red area Great Britain, shall be allowed to establish such direct or indirect administration or control as they desire and as they may think fit to arrange with the Arab state or confederation of Arab states.

        That in the brown area there shall be established an international administration, the form of which is to be decided upon after consultation with Russia, and subsequently in consultation with the other allies, and the representatives of the Shereef of Mecca. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/sykes.asp

      • Walid
        July 2, 2014, 2:55 pm

        “I was referring to the Faisal-Weizmann agreement of 1919:”

        jon, I know what you were referring to since it was in my question. I wanted to know in what context you parachuted it into the thread’s discussion about Sykes-Picot and the Balfour Declaration. We’ll pick it up again on a future discussion about the subject. BTW, the agreement between the Hashemites on behalf of all Arabs and Weizmann would have also given parts of the right bank in today’s Jordan, a 20-mile chunk out of Lebanon and most of the Golan Heights to the Zionists. Those Hashemites were very generous with other people’s lands. The Sauds that followed them continued in the same vein.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 2:29 pm

        “I assume that Mahane Yehuda1 was expressing his pride in the high degree of empathy and solidarity expressed in Israeli society on this day.”

        To hell with Israeli society. Where was that “empathy” when your terrorists in uniformed murdered those boys on Nakba day??? Nowhere; they weren’t Jews so no empathy for them. Where was that “empathy” for those suffering through this pogrom?? Nowhere; they’re not Jews so no empathy for them. Go stick your “empathy.”

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 7:09 pm

        The terrorist murderers have “succeeded ” in arousing sympathy for the settlers as never before.

        They said the same thing over the Fogel family murders.

        They have done great harm to the Palestinian cause.

        I agree, though once again, it’s only because Israel is on the receiving end. Had the as beenPalestinuan youths, it would have fine unreported. If it was reported, the Israeli government would have dismissed them as wannabe suicode bombers and that would have been the end of the story.

      • Djinn
        July 2, 2014, 4:20 am

        And why should anyone be proud of increased support for a bunch of thieving scumbags? Especially Mahane who claims to be opposed to the occupation and settlements?

    • Citizen
      July 1, 2014, 4:04 am

      The bodies were found in a field near Halhul some 10 minutes from the roadside spot where they were last seen. This took two weeks of wide searching that included the murder of 5 Palestinian teens and the heart attack of two elderly Palestinians? Not to mention the arrest and detention of hundreds of Palestinians?

    • Walid
      July 1, 2014, 1:28 pm

      “Thank you Israel! Thank you Israel Defense Forces! Thank you citizens of Israel!”

      Mahane, you forgot to thank your father and mother for bringing you to Israel, your uncles and aunts that guided you and especially, your thanks to God.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 2:36 pm

        He also forgot to thank Hitler for rousing such deep guilt in europeans that they sold Palestine down the river to make room for an israel.

      • Citizen
        July 1, 2014, 3:20 pm

        And this fact has never been appreciated by Israel.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 7:59 pm

        Taxi, there’s no point in trying to shame a Zionist. As you probably know, the Zionists are dedicated to showing Jews as monsters, as brutes who care only for other Jews. Nothing would make them happier than revulsion directed toward Jews, persecution, which they can use to bring Jews under their sway. The more they can show that Jews have little connection with the rest of mankind, the better they feel.

    • Mooser
      July 1, 2014, 7:55 pm

      MahaneYehud1 Must you shame the Jews in front of the entire world? The Jews of the world will spend the rest of their existence cleaning up after the mess you’ve made. If, if, we survive your Zionist project.
      Go suck somebody else’s blood, and leave us Jews alone.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 2, 2014, 4:06 am

        @Mooser:

        Go suck somebody else’s blood, and leave us Jews alone.

        I agree!!! but, please, leave us Zionists alone.

        Thank you in advance

  37. anthonybellchambers
    June 30, 2014, 11:57 pm

    An Open Letter to Israeli Settlers in the Occupied Territories of the West Bank

    1. If you were an American citizen, born, bred and educated in New York, or Los Angeles, with a good house and family – would you be behaving responsibly and with due regard for their safety if you were to voluntarily leave your home to emigrate to Israel and to settle illegally in the occupied Palestinian West Bank in order to satisfy a personal, religious conviction?

    2. If you were well aware that the West Bank has been more or less continuously populated by Muslim Arabs for at least 1000 years, would it be safe and sensible to put your family in harm’s way by deciding under your own volition to live in an Israeli settlement that has been condemned as illegal under international law by the UN, the EU and the US, i.e. by the whole international community?

    3. If, notwithstanding the obvious dangers of living illegally on someone else’s land, by that decision you endangered the lives of your family, would you feel responsible when, had you not decided to leave the country of your birth, you and your family would have remained safe?

    4. Are you aware that both World War 1 and World War 2 were triggered by a single event of violence that eventually resulted in the deaths of tens of millions around the world?

    5. Did you ever consider that your decision to emigrate from the US to live in the Occupied Territories of Palestine might one day lead to another such act of violence that could escalate into a regional then global conflict that could once again alter the course of history and cause massive suffering?

    6. Did you just believe that your personal convictions took precedence over the lives of millions of others?

  38. Taxi
    July 1, 2014, 12:03 am

    I propose we change USA laws and bulldoze the family homes of ALL suspects in custody or on the run.

    See where that gets us.

    • Woody Tanaka
      July 1, 2014, 5:37 am

      I propose a change in US law that requires the US government to treat supporters of the Zionist state in exactly yhe same way the Gazans are treated. maybe then they’ll get it.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 2:28 pm

        I like your proposal better than mine, Woody. It’s smarter and it has focused, targeted precision. Unlike mine which is savage-handed and eyeless – just flailing fisted violence and destruction at everything and everywhere.

        You could say that yours is streamlined, progressive, and mine is one big fat zionesque pastiche.

        (lol – I just couldn’t resist sharing this observation with you)

    • a blah chick
      July 1, 2014, 7:18 am

      And don’t forget the drones, they should use drones too.

  39. rationalist
    July 1, 2014, 12:12 am

    This crime is horrific and Israel has already enacted a revenge more heinous than the initial crime. Lost in the cycle of retribution and its attendant news coverage is the fact that the Palestinian people have been ghettoized, denied freedom of movement, economic freedom, and dispossessed from their land for decades. The violence that has followed shouldn’t be surprising. We live in some crazy bizarro world where we think it’s okay to give away other people’s countries to make up for sins committed elsewhere.

    • just
      July 1, 2014, 8:04 am

      “We live in some crazy bizarro world where we think it’s okay to give away other people’s countries to make up for sins committed elsewhere.”

      And that is the problem.

  40. mikeo
    July 1, 2014, 5:32 am

    The injustice and imbalance of power, the sickening self-righteousness and hypocrisy of so many Israelis makes me ill.

    The reaction of Israeli society reduces, in fact nearly erases my natural sympathy for the kids who were killed.

    I’m sure this is why many people avoid engaging on any level with this conflict, the potential for it to create such negative emotions.

    Thought experiment: For every Palestinian child killed F16’s bomb Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Who would justify that? The bombing would be constant…

    Believe me, many people around the world are fantasising exactly that scenario just as the bullied child at school fantasises punching his tormentor in the face.

    People naturally want to see justice done – thats why when the Hasbara has run its course the only bulwark for Israel is military power and US support and neither will last forever…

    Sad…

  41. Stephen Shenfield
    July 1, 2014, 5:53 am

    Decent people will naturally sympathize with the mourning of the three dead young men, as their mourning expresses natural human grief. The trouble is that at the same time the mourning expresses an ideology of Jewish solipsism (only Jewish grief exists, or at least only Jewish grief matters) and self-worship (Jewish young men are automatically “pure” and “innocent”). We may be inclined to sympathize at a human level, but if we do so we expose ourselves to pressure to accept the ideological baggage that goes with it.

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 10:27 am

      Milking the pain of Jewish grief is part of the system of Zionism. No one ever asks why so many Jews have died for YESHA. And linking 3 settler deaths in a political dispute over land to historical anti-Semitism is nuts.

  42. Elisabeth
    July 1, 2014, 7:22 am

    A settler drives his car over a nine year old and leaves her in a ditch.
    http://www.imemc.org/article/68291

    A sixteen year old ‘Hamas operative’ (yeah sure) buying food was shot and killed because he wanted to throw ‘an explosive device’ (a well shaken coca cola can perhaps?)
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=709032

    It seems the light unto the nations is targeting children again.

  43. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 7:42 am

    “They were abducted and murdered in cold blood by human animals”.

    Such a pity they didn’t have uniforms and Michael Oren to explain what happened.

    • Shmuel
      July 1, 2014, 8:01 am

      Such a pity they didn’t have uniforms and Michael Oren to explain what happened.

      Oren’s imaginary counterpart would have said that the whole thing was staged and either they were killed by the Israelis themselves or are alive and well in Herzliya.

      Netanyahu’s self-righteous populism is sickening — “dancing on the blood” (as the Hebrew expression goes) of these poor boys, and spilling further Palestinian and Jewish blood in the process.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:14 am

        Netanyahu’s self-righteous populism is sickening — “dancing on the blood” (as the Hebrew expression goes) of these poor boys, and spilling further Palestinian and Jewish blood in the process.

        He’s such a lecherous narcissist.

        I always love hearing the story told by Miko Peled about the funeral of his niece, who most of us know, was killed in a suicide attack. Netenyahu wanted to attend the funerla and Miko’s sister, the mother of the girl, not only rejected the offer, but blamed him for stirring up and prolonging the conflict that took her life.

        Apparently, the family of Yitzak Rabin did the same. I wished the families of these boys had done the same.

      • seafoid
        July 1, 2014, 10:22 am

        The mothers were used as pawns by the leaders.

  44. just
    July 1, 2014, 8:02 am

    “Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proposed Monday night that Israel’s response to the murder of the three teenagers in the West Bank include a wave of settlement construction and the establishment of a new settlement in memory of Eyal Yifrah, Gilad Shaar and Naftali Fraenkel, a senior Israeli official told Haaretz.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.602334

    Sociopaths ‘lead’ Israel. Where will they lead? It’s not anywhere I want to be.

  45. Taxi
    July 1, 2014, 8:04 am

    When I look at a picture of the three teens, I see three distinct physiognomies:
    1- dark-red hair/snow white skin
    2- brown hair/olive skin
    3- dark-brown hair/brown skin

    And they want us to believe that they all come from the same exclusive gene pool.

    • miriam6
      July 1, 2014, 12:44 pm

      Taxi@
      When I look at a picture of the three teens, I see three distinct physiognomies:
      1- dark-red hair/snow white skin
      2- brown hair/olive skin
      3- dark-brown hair/brown skin
      And they want us to believe that they all come from the same exclusive gene pool.

      Taxi – when I look at native English, Scots and Welsh people I observe some very varied physical appearances ranging from light to dark red-haired/blonde and light-coloured blue or green eyes through to olive skinned/black, brown haired/brown/hazel coloured eyes! And yet – those native Scots, English and Welsh populations all stem from the same gene pool! Amazing!! But let us rely on the science shall we – rather than mere subjective observation ..

      With the exception of the autosomal RSPs, in which an ascertainment bias exists, all systems show greater gene diversity in Africans than in either Europeans or Asians.

      So – to put it in a nutshell – Africans are mostly black skinned but show the greatest genetic variation between individuals!

      In fact, the great lesson of modern human population genetics have all shown that most human genetic diversity is found within, rather than between, populations.

      These results are reassuring in their consistency and offer broad support for an African origin of modern human populations

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288178/

      Meaning that modern human populations tend to look VERY different from each other but are ALL ultimately derived from the SAME gene pool!

      So – modern genetics does NOT support your observational ‘thesis’ – lame as it is.
      Maybe you ought to revert to using the discredited pseudo – science of phrenology to make your tawdry racial points!

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 1:22 pm

        Oh yeah right miss science – of course an Ethopian jew is from the same chosen gene pool as a european Ashkanazim – how could I be so blind ugh!

        WTF marian?! Just get outta town with your hocus-pocus proof that jews are a race – they’re NOT a race: they’re different people from different parts of the world who practice the religion of judaism.

        And I’ll remind you here that the original followers of judaism were just one of the many Arabian tribes – hence the original jews were desert Arabs: black hair, black eyes, hazel-brown skin, a bit like Eyal Yifrach (R.I.P) . In other words, you, my dear, don’t look anything like them originals, so of course you get pissed when this gets pointed out because you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe the fairytale that once upon a time, your personal relatives lived in tents in the desert of Arabia before god almighty made them ‘chosen’.

      • miriam6
        July 1, 2014, 3:58 pm
      • miriam6
        July 1, 2014, 3:59 pm

        Taxi@; Just get outta town with your hocus-pocus proof that jews are a race – they’re NOT a race: they’re different people from different parts of the world who practice the religion of judaism.
        Poor Taxi – unable to construct an intelligent counter argument you resort to constructing a feeble straw man argument instead.
        Exactly WHERE in my comment did I claim that the Jews were a ‘race’?
        Where?
        Look again at this quote ( reading it PROPERLY this time ) and tell me HOW it demonstrates and supports your false contention that I consider the Jews a ‘race’?

        Recently, surveys of mitochondrial (Merriwether et al. 1991), Y-chromosome (Hammer et al. 1997), and various types of autosomal polymorphisms (Bowcock et al. 1991; Batzer et al. 1994; Deka et al. 1995a, 1999; Jorde et al. 1995; Watkins et al. 1995; Barbujani et al. 1997; Stoneking et al. 1997) have all shown that most human genetic diversity is found within, rather than between, populations.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288178/

        It will be obvious to anyone but you that that last sentence UNDERMINES and consigns to the garbage bin of history any theory that seeks to place humans in a ‘racial’ category.

        Furthermore, how ignorant of you that you regard factual scientific evidence about the nature of human populations genetics as mere ‘hocus – pocus’!
        Remember Taxi – when going about your daily life please take care to avoid modern dentistry, modern medicine AND modern technology because according to you – it is all ‘ hocus – pocus’!

  46. fayez chergui
    July 1, 2014, 8:20 am

    Always the same scenario. To whom is profits the murder?
    The answer determine the criminal. Is in’t it Bibi?

  47. Woody Tanaka
    July 1, 2014, 8:33 am

    Netanyahoo: “They were abducted and murdered in cold blood by human animals.”

    So we can use dehumanizing language now? We can call Zionist murders of innocent Palestinian “rats” and “animals” and “vermin”??

    • a blah chick
      July 1, 2014, 8:47 am

      He sounds like he has honor/shame issues.

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 8:52 am

      You have to be in uniform to kill someone acceptably, Woody. Then you can say it was an accident.

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 10:35 am

      “On behalf of the entire Jewish People”

      is very disturbing as well. I would not want that sociopath speaking for me.

  48. Taxi
    July 1, 2014, 9:26 am

    I’m still waiting for the mothers of the israeli teens to publicly warn other israeli mothers NOT to let their kids hitchhike. Where’s the ‘Mothers Against Hitchhiking” campaign?! Hullllllow israel! You never miss an opportunity to ignore the obvious path to longevity.

  49. German Lefty
    July 1, 2014, 4:43 pm

    I have some news. Today, at a bookshop, I overheard snippets of a conversation between a shop assistant (middle-aged woman) and a customer (elderly woman). When I entered the shop, the two women already were deep in a lively discussion. They stood in front of the shelf with the books about politics. A few minutes later, they were at the counter and I went to the politics section. At eye level, I saw a book about Israel: Werner Sonne – “Staatsräson? Wie Deutschland für Israels Sicherheit haftet” (Reason of state? How Germany is liable for Israel’s security). On the back, it reads “How Germany arms the nuclear weapons state of Israel”. Then, I heard the two women say the following things:
    customer: “… three dead teenagers … terrible situation …”
    shop assistant: ” … it’s comprehensible/understandable …”
    customer: “… yes … they build on other people’s land …”
    shop assistant: “… they force them to live in ghettos …”
    Obviously, the two women sympathise with the Palestinians. Considering Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, they can understand why these settlers were killed.
    The counter is at the centre of the shop. The women talked quite loudly and didn’t seem to mind additional listeners.
    I think this incident shows that Germans are ready to openly and publicly side with the Palestinians and to refer to their living conditions as ghettoisation.

    Israel’s revenge on Palestinians is all over the news today in Germany. On the evening news, the reporter said: “Israel blames Hamas [for the killed teenagers]. Although Hamas denies the allegation, Israel didn’t hesitate to take revenge.”

    • German Lefty
      July 1, 2014, 4:59 pm

      Another news programme: The presenter talks about the Palestinian perspective. She uses the word “collective punishment” and points out that already 6 Palestinians were killed by Israel in the last weeks. A reporter states that settlers demand revenge. A settler is interviewed. He says that he wants Israel to “raze Gaza to the ground”.

  50. W.Jones
    July 1, 2014, 6:52 pm

    I heard firsthand from US visitors to Hebron that Palestinians are being mistreated there systematically. It is not a surprise that someone in that huge conquered population would do something bad like this.

    On the other hand, here is how some israelis apparently feel about Hebron:

    The area east of Ma’arat HaMachpela, called the ‘eastern Kasba,’ has been turned into a virtual paradise, with hundreds of Arabs are being moved into these new homes. Arabs are granted numerous incentives, including tax exemptions, free water, and monthly allowances.

    Of course, the H-1, Arab-controlled area continues to grow, without any limitations.

    http://blogs.jpost.com/content/apartheid-hebron

    If the situation is going to be improved and made safe, the causes for crime have to be recognized and addressed, which are poverty and abuse. Even extreme security that does not address those issues will have “leaks”, because abuse pressures people to react wrongly, unfortunately.

  51. Denis
    July 1, 2014, 8:08 pm

    Over 200 comments. Thank you, Adam, for keeping this thread open. This is one of the most important threads MW has ever published.

    It feels like we’re on the edge of an abyss and the wall is beginning to crumble beneath our feet. By “we” I guess I mean everybody who cares about Palestine. Maybe I should say “they,” meaning the Palestinians. They are the ones who will have to face off with stones vs. F-16’s.

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