Israeli army seals Hebron, saying Hamas is responsible for abducted teens

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Israeli teens abducted in the West Bank Thursday evening from an intersection in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc.

Israeli teens abducted in the West Bank Thursday evening from an intersection in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc.

The manhunt for three Israeli teens abducted from a West Bank intersection in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc three days ago continued over the weekend with the Israeli army sealing Hebron and arresting 80, including members of the Palestinian parliament, in the largest operation in the Palestinian territory in years. This afternoon the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) searched homes door-to-door in the south West Bank declaring, “Hamas is responsible.”

Hebron is the West Bank’s most populated city, with some 800,000 effectively under curfew. “The streets are almost empty. Many people are afraid of what will happen,” said Issa Amro a spokesperson with Youth Against Settlements, a Hebron based organization with offices inside of the Israeli controlled section of the city. “Now they are in the village of Tafah and the western part of Hebron searching door-to-door.”

I spoke to Amro Sunday afternoon while the sweep in Hebron was underway. He said since Thursday, when the teens went missing, eight checkpoints have been erected in and outside of the city entrances, with locked steel gates. Palestinians can’t leave. The Israeli human rights group B’tselem said that West Bank Palestinians are being turned away from checkpoints that lead to Israel and to the Allenby terminal to Jordan, the only international crossing for West Bankers. As to the physical condition of those arrested last night and the charges levied against them, nothing is known, as they have not been in contact with any of the Palestinian legal rights groups. It’s unknown if the Israelis have charged a suspect or are holding alleged witnesses. Ma’an News Agency reported 125 have been detained since Saturday.

The youths were apparently abducted on Thursday, but news of their taking didn’t surface until Friday due to a gag order. By Saturday, Hebron was on the brink of a retaliation attack. Settlers threw stones at Palestinians who walked on Shuhada Street, the former center of Palestinian commerce in Hebron and today a sleepy street paraded by soldiers and tourists where Palestinians are forbidden to open their shops.

While the Israeli Defense Forces and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that they have evidence Hamas is responsible for the abduction, the Palestinian Authority has indicated that Hamas did not carry out the kidnapping. A representative from the Palestinian Government Media Center (PGMC) said it has no knowledge of Hamas’s involvement, but suggests that naming the Gaza-based party was an “escalation” tactic. “There is nothing that can let us know who kidnapped them, or it is just an Israeli escalation [to state Hamas is responsible],” said the PGMC.

The Palestinian Authority also is claiming that it was not responsible for the security of the teens, as they were taken from Area C of the West Bank, which is under Israeli security control. However, Israeli authorities are holding the Palestinian Authority accountable, and blaming the new unity government with Hamas.

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  1. Justpassingby
    June 16, 2014, 9:56 am

    This is the punishment for Fatah/Hamas grouping. Israel really hate peace.

    • Hostage
      June 16, 2014, 11:33 am

      @ Justpassingby responding to you here re: “Hostage You said @June 15, 2014 at 7:57 am :

      You’re a clueless ignoramus. Abbas has already taken the situation in Palestine to the ICC.

      That’s correct I’ve cited, quoted, and linked to the official letter from the ICC Registrar which acknowledged that fact. Here is that link for you once again: http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/74EEE201-0FED-4481-95D4-C8071087102C/279778/20090123404SALASS2.pdf

      As ICC said at my HRW from last month show (see link), Abbas havent gone to the ICC.
      link to hrw.org

      The link only contains statements made by the Prosecutor, who has admitted in official stus reports to the UN that the Office of the Prosecutor has no statutory authority to invent a different method to define the term “state” for the purposes of Article 12(3) than the one employed for the purposes of Article 12(1). That method happens to be the “Vienna Formula”. The VCLT, and its application to UNESCO member states and the Rome Statute contradicts the suggestion made by the Prosecutor in his 3 April 2012 report that Palestine’s statehood was still in doubt or could be called into question by the UN Secretary General after it was admitted as a full UNESCO member state in 2011. Full stop.

      If you still don’t understand that, then you should read the VCLT. It creates a treaty obligation for the Secretary General to treat all members of UN specialized as states capable of concluding international treaties. In accordance with articles 5, 6, 81, 82, and 83 of that convention:
      Article 5: under the heading “Treaties constituting international organizations and treaties adopted within an international organization” . . .
      The present Convention applies to any treaty which is the constituent instrument of an international organization and to any treaty adopted within an international organization [e.g. the UN Charter, The Rome Statute, and UN human rights treaties]
      Article 6: Capacity of States to conclude treaties
      Every State possesses capacity to conclude treaties.
      Article 81: Signature
      The present Convention shall be open for signature by all States Members of the United Nations or of any of the specialized agencies or of the International Atomic Energy Agency or parties to the Statute of the International Court of Justice, and by any other State invited by the General Assembly of the United Nations to become a party to the Convention . . .
      Article 82: Ratification
      The present Convention is subject to ratification. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
      Article 83: Accession
      The present Convention shall remain open for accession by any State belonging to any of the categories mentioned in article 81.
      link to untreaty.un.org
      Article 48, 49 and 50 of The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations contains an identical invitation for State members of UN specialized agencies to deposit signatures, ratifications, and accessions with the UN Secretary General to that treaty. link to untreaty.un.org
      Articles 74, 75, and 76 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations contains an identical invitation for State members of UN specialized agencies to deposit signatures, ratifications, or accessions with the Secretary General to that treaty
      link to treaties.un.org
      There is no nonsense about checking with the General Assembly in “cases of doubt” regarding the members of the categories of states enumerated in Articles 81-83 of the Law of Treaties, because the Plenipotentiaries who drafted the Convention already stipulated that they are States, and that all states have the innate legal capacity to conclude treaties, and maintain diplomatic and consular relations.

      If you still want to cite Human Rights Watch article to the contrary, then you are an illiterate ignoramus.

      P.S. if the ICC Prosecutor wishes to dispute Palestine’s status as a state under the UN VCLT, she’s out of luck. Only states, like Palestine, can argue cases before in the ICJ.

      • Justpassingby
        June 16, 2014, 11:47 am

        Hostage

        I only refer to what ICC say itself, here is the link:
        http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/08/palestine-go-international-criminal-court

        Conclusion:
        So ICC itself(!) say that Palestinians should go to them (ICC).
        You say there is no reason for it because Abbas have already done that.

        Why not admit that you are wrong?

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2014, 4:44 pm

        I only refer to what ICC say itself,

        No you don’t. In the first place, you are quoting the same Prosecutors that the Court has repeatedly admonished for misconduct and errors, and for giving the false impression that factual issues yet to be determined by the judges had been determined or could not be contested e.g. See:
        * Jenia Turner, Policing International Prosecutors, http://nyujilp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/45.1-Turner.pdf
        * William Schabas, Prosecutor’s Behaviour Reflects Poorly on the Court, Appeals Chamber Says http://humanrightsdoctorate.blogspot.com/2012/06/prosecutors-behaviour-reflects-poorly.html

        You conveniently ignore the contents of the Vienna Convention and the Rome Statute which form the legally binding agreement between the members of the Assembly of State Parties and pretend the Prosecutors have “judicial powers” to determine whether or not Palestine has “validly filed” an Article 12(3) declaration, when they do not.

        You ignore the Registrar’s letter officially acknowledging that Palestine has already accepted the court’s jurisdiction in accordance with Article 12(3) “pending a judicial determination” and the Prosecutor’s official statement in the status report to the UN which said the Office of the Prosecutor has no statutory authority to employ a different method to define the term “state” for the purposes of Article 12(3) than the one employed for Article 12(1). But that’s exactly what he did, by failing to interpret the Rome Statute in accordance with the relevant terms of the Vienna Conventions, which explicitly say that members of UN specialized agencies belong to a recognized category of States that have a standing invitation to conclude agreements and deposit signatures, ratifications, or accessions with the Secretary General.

        Why not admit that you are wrong?

        If I ever get something wrong, I’ll let you know. After three years of waiting for the ICC Prosecutor to do something with a pile of written submissions about Palestinian statehood, he announced that it really wasn’t up to him to decide the question of the statehood of Palestine. When he opined about who might decide the question or how it could be done, he misstated both the facts and the applicable law. The UN Vienna Conventions were a deliberate codification of customary law. Just like the Secretary General, the General Assembly is unconditionally bound by the terms of Articles 5, 6, 81, 82, and 83. That means it had a customary obligation to acknowledge the statehood of Palestine and treat it, as such, from the moment it became a member of UNESCO in 2011. The Prosecutor was simply wrong when he attempted to employ Palestine’s supposed “current observer status” as a “method” or “deciding factor” to define the meaning of the term “state” in “cases of doubt,” rather than the explicit terms of the VCLT, which actually says members of UN specialized agencies are states and governs any interpretation of the Rome Statute to boot.

        In addition, the Rome Statute gives third-party non-member states the right to accept the Court’s jurisdiction by making an Article 12(3) declaration in writing. Articles 35 through 37 of the VCLT spell-out the customary/conventional rules that apply when a treaty provides a right for a third state or creates obligations that have been accepted in writing by the third state, like those in Article 12(3) of the Rome Statute. Article 37 of the VCLT, “Revocation or modification of obligations or rights of third States,” requires 1) the consent of all the parties to the treaty to modify or revoke an obligation; and 2) The third state’s consent to revoke a right afforded by the treaty. The Prosecutor never asked for, or obtained consent from any of the relevant state parties.

        The Registrar’s letter to Palestinian Justice Minister, Ali Khashan, dated 23 January 2009, advised that Palestine’s Article 12(3) declaration had the legal effect of accepting the Court’s jurisdiction and the application of the provisions of Part 9 of the Statute and any obligations thereunder, concerning State Parties, pursuant to Rule 44 of the Rules for Procedure and Evidence. The Prosecutor can’t unilaterally revoke those rights and obligations to the other parties. The ICJ Statute stipulates that only a “state” can argue cases involving a VCLT treaty interpretation dispute before the ICJ – and the ICC Prosecutor isn’t one.

      • Justpassingby
        June 16, 2014, 4:59 pm

        Hostage

        I refer to Fatou Bensouda, which you would know if you read my post.

        From the ICC site one read:

        “Article 12, paragraph 3 declarations relate only to the scope of the Court’s jurisdiction and do not trigger an investigation.”

        emphasis on this part:

        “Article 12, paragraph 3 declarations..”..”do not trigger an investigation”

        Note also that this was done in 2009 years before Palestine got semi recognition in the UN, therefore ICC told palestinians some weeks back that they should go to them (ICC) again just as the previously urged by the NGO’s as mentioned before.
        This is also why US and Israel threat(ened) Abbas not to go to the ICC after the semi-state recognition in the UN some years ago.

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2014, 5:57 pm

        Hostage, I refer to Fatou Bensouda, which you would know if you read my post.

        If you had read my comments you’d know that she was Ocampo’s deputy who was promoted when he left and that I am perfectly aware of what she said. It goes without saying that the contents of the reports from the UN, Arab League, AI, HRW, and 400 others that the Prosecutor has in hand provide ample prima facie evidence of the commission of serious crimes that are subject to ICC jurisdiction. That mountain of evidence does trigger the obligation to conduct an examination and an investigation.

        Note also that this was done in 2009 years before Palestine got semi recognition in the UN

        No, the State of Palestine has de jure recognition from the UN in accordance with the VCLT, which reflects binding customary and conventional international law. FYI, the 1988 unilateral declaration was “an act of state”.

        Membership in the UN is not a requirement for statehood. Article 2(6) of the Charter acknowledges the existence of “non-member states” and UN membership under the terms of Article 4 is based upon factors in addition to statehood, i.e. must also be “peace loving” and able to fulfil Charter obligations to pay dues; provide armed forces in support of collective enforcement or peacekeeping operations; & etc.. Members are not required to explain their negative votes on membership applications, so they do not provide an accurate indication that a non-member entity isn’t recognized as a “state”.

        The 2012 General Assembly resolution on the status of Palestine specifically acknowledged that the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization had been entrusted with the powers and responsibilities of the Provisional Government of the State of Palestine in 1988. link to unispal.un.org
        Under the rules of customary international law, when the government of a country is recognized by another party, that recognition is retroactive in effect and validates all the actions and conduct of the government in question from the commencement of its existence. See for example:
        *Tinoco Claims Arbitration (Great Britain v. Costa Rica) (1923) 1 R.I.A.A. 369; link to untreaty.un.org
        *Oetjen v. Central Leather Co. , 246 U.S. 297 (1918);
        link to caselaw.lp.findlaw.com
        *Ti-chiang Chen, “The international law of recognition, with special reference to practice in Great Britain and the United States”, Praeger, 1951, “Introduction” page 4 and “the doctrine of the retroactive effect of recognition” on page 34 “Recognition of States”: link to archive.org
        The General Assembly resolution noted that Palestine has been recognized by 132 UN member states over the years.
        The resolution also noted that Palestine enjoys full membership in the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and the Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA). The PLO was admitted to the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) regional group for Asia (now ESCWA) as a full member State in 1977 over US and Israeli objections. The General Assembly resolution effectively acknowledged and validated all of that existing status.

      • Hostage
        June 16, 2014, 6:36 pm

        I refer to Fatou Bensouda, which you would know if you read my post.

        If you read the articles and official reports that I cited, you’d know that her statement that Palestine can file another 12(3) declaration, but only with retroactive effect to 29 November 2012, is yet another example of an ICC Prosecutor making a false or misleading statement that implies the Judges have already made that determination (when they actually have not) or that she is suggesting that something she says can’t be legally challenged.

        She has also come under fierce criticism from the Judges for failing to conduct proper investigations when they were warranted, i.e. See ICC judges slam Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda over evidence against President Uhuru Kenyatta http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000108501

      • Justpassingby
        June 17, 2014, 12:52 am

        Hostage

        “Article 12, paragraph 3 declarations relate only to the scope of the Court’s jurisdiction and do not trigger an investigation.”

        “article 12, paragraph 3” does NOT generate investigations. YOu have falsely claimed that Abbas have already triggered such. Thats why NGO’s and ICC itself say that Abbas, today, should go to the ICC.

      • Daniel Rich
        June 17, 2014, 2:07 am

        @ Hostage,

        This might be of interest Laurent Fabius and Justice.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 2:57 am

        “article 12, paragraph 3″ does NOT generate investigations. YOu have falsely claimed that Abbas have already triggered such. Thats why NGO’s and ICC itself say that Abbas, today, should go to the ICC.

        I never said any such thing. That’s one of the reasons that I concluded you are an illiterate ignoramus. I don’t see what your point is, since joining the Court as a contracting state party under Article 12(1) doesn’t trigger an investigation either. I’ve repeatedly pointed out the decade-long foot dragging and dissimulation on the part of both Prosecutors, who have a well-earned reputations of refusing to conduct good faith investigations or prosecutions of flagrantly illegal situations in Afghanistan, Cyprus, or any situation outside the continent of Africa so far – especially ones involving one of the great powers.

        I stated that:
        a) Article 12(3) declarations are one of the two methods that a state can use to accept the exercise of ICC jurisdiction;
        b) that pending a judicial determination, they trigger the rights and obligations regarding a state party listed under Part 9 of the Statute and that the Prosecutor cannot unilaterally revoke them under the rules of the VCLT;
        c) States cannot refer specific cases to the Court;
        d) a state’s only right of action is limited to referring and reporting illegal situations to the Prosecutor;
        e) That the ICC does not employ an adversarial process involving plaintiff or respondent states;
        f) Palestine has already done all of the above, and that no one here seems to be able to explain what they mean when they repeat the non-sequitur “Abbas hasn’t gone to the ICC yet”.
        g) people need to blame the Hague, not Ramallah for inaction.

        I’ve also pointed out that anything the Prosecutor says is subject to legal challenges, and that they have employed different methods to define the term “state” in the case of Palestine, based upon an invalid and mistaken view about its presumed “current observer status” in the UN.

      • Justpassingby
        June 17, 2014, 7:12 am

        Hostage

        “I never said any such thing”.

        So now you deny your main argument.

        Some days ago you said this:

        I already pointed out that Palestine filed a criminal complaint and that Wikileaks had revealed that Israel asked the US government for assistance in that connection.

        Also this was before Palestine got its semi-state recognition and therefore under art. 12. pg. 3, which didnt generate any investigation.

        You have yet to respond why Abbas froze for 9 months going to the ICC.
        Why did he do that?
        Who urged him not to do that?

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 3:52 pm

        Hostage

        “I never said any such thing”.

        So now you deny your main argument.

        My main argument is that you are an ignoramus who keeps spouting irrelevant nonsense to conceal the fact that President Abbas has already done everything necessary to grant the Court jurisdiction and advise it all about the serious crimes that have been committed in Palestine that are subject to ICC jurisdiction. Palestinian solidarity activists need to act accordingly and apply pressure to their governments and the responsible ICC officials for the lack of a good faith investigation of the flagrantly illegal situation that exists in Palestine and the failure to bring those responsible to justice. The problem lies in the Hague, not in Ramallah.

        Your latest arguments about “semi-recognition” and Palestine’s statehood in 2009 are equally irrelevant and underwhelming. See League of Arab States,  Documents on the status of Palestine, October 14, 2009 and the annexed list of treaties. http://iccforum.com/media/background/gaza/2009-10-14_League_of_Arab_States-Documents_(English).pdf

        The Arab League supplied that exhibit as one of the “Official Submissions to the ICC” when the Prosecutor questioned the status of Palestine. Among other things it lists treaties in force between the State of Palestine and members of the ICC Assembly of State Parties (Jordan, Comoros, Algeria, and Djibouti) on the subjects of immunity and extradition of terrorists. Those treaties had been concluded and entered into force years before the ICC existed or the Rome Statute had entered into effect. They will be instrumental in obtaining custody of any Palestinians accused of war crimes. It is a matter fact, and the conventional international law contained in Article 98 of the Rome Statute, that the Court and its organs, including the Office of the Prosecutor, are legally bound to respect those treaties on immunity and extradition between its member states and third-party states without regard to UN membership or UN observer status. Full stop. See Article 98 http://goo.gl/rUflCu

        In addition, the UN Secretary General had accepted accessions to multilateral treaties from the State Palestine starting in 2003. The ESCWA (a part of the UN Secretariat itself) published and cataloged official rules on UN letterhead which declared that Palestine was a full member state of that organ:

        ESCWA comprises 13 States, viz., Bahrain, Egypt, lraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the Syrian Arab Republic, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

        link to ESCWA.un.org

        The Secretary General and the Swiss government have also accepted accessions for the Geneva and Vienna Conventions as applicable and have notified all of the existing parties that Palestine is a contracting state. FYI, that’s full, “de jure”, legal recognition, not semi-recognition. So please stop trying to muddy the waters with propaganda.

        Just to illustrate how meritless your claims are, let’s review what the Prosecutor knew and when he knew it:

        In an interview that was published on Sunday, Moreno-Ocampo said he was examining complaints filed by Palestinian Justice Minister Ali Kashan in January, which stated that Israel used incendiary white phosphorus shells in crowded civilian areas in Gaza, in violation of international law.

        The ICC prosecutor said Amnesty International and the Arab League had also presented his office with documentation related to Israel’s alleged illegal activities in the Hamas-ruled territory.

        Moreno-Ocampo initially dismissed the Palestinians’ appeals to the ICC, saying he could not build a case against Israel as it was not a signatory to the Rome Statute. However, he said he was re-examining the possibility of launching an investigation into Israel after the Palestinian Authority submitted documents recognizing the ICC’s authority.

        In accordance with the Rome Statute, which created the ICC, only a state can accept the court’s jurisdiction and allow such an investigation to be launched.

        Last month, Kashan and Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki announced that they had submitted documents to Moreno-Ocampo that proved Palestine was a legal state with the right to request such a probe.

        “Today we came to deliver a set of documents that shows that Palestine as a state … has the ability to present a case to the court and to ask for an investigation into crimes committed by the Israeli army,” Kashan said then. “We will deliver more information about war crimes and crimes against humanity — not only in Gaza during the last Israeli attack, but also from 2002 until this moment.”

        Kashan said the documents included evidence of war crimes.

        Malki said they had provided proof that Palestine was recognized as a state by 67 countries and had bilateral agreements with states in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe.

        — See Today’s Zaman, “ICC prosecutor considers ‘Gaza war crimes’ probe” , 10 March 2009 http://goo.gl/KcAGB4

      • Justpassingby
        June 17, 2014, 4:07 pm

        Hostage

        You have yet to respond why Abbas froze for 9 months going to the ICC.

        1 Why did he do that?
        2 Why did Erakat urged him to do go to the ICC?
        3 Why did NGO’s urged him to go to the ICC?
        4 Why did ICC itself urged Abbas to go to the ICC?
        5 Who urged him not to do that? And why did they do it?

        Lets see if you are honest enough respond to these questions.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 6:22 pm

        @ Hostage, This might be of interest Laurent Fabius and Justice.

        I tend to agree. The Prosecutor takes to the press to engage in a scripted series of threats because seven UN peacekeepers were killed, while stalling and questioning the “gravity” of the Gaza aid flotilla massacre. She even made preemptive threats of prosecution in the Mali case to deter further criminality. Despite decades of Security Council, General Assembly, Geneva Conference, and ICJ complaints about the illegal settlements and serious crimes committed by the settlers, the Prosecutors have never threatened them.

        Nothing is going to change if idiots, like the one here, continue to blame the victims for the failures of the criminal justice system, instead of those who are really responsible.

      • Daniel Rich
        June 17, 2014, 6:43 pm

        @ Hostage

        The complexity of simplicity never ceases to amaze me.

        When I asked a Zen master, “Please explain ‘Zen’ to me…”

        Her answer exposed me for the simpleton I actually was. “The moment I do, it isn’t ‘Zen’ anymore…”

        It reminds of a court case in which the rape victim stood accused of being ‘dressed improperly…’

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 6:50 pm

        Hostage You have yet to respond why Abbas froze for 9 months going to the ICC.

        Because there is no such thing as “freezing going to the ICC” after you’ve already filed an Article 12(3) declaration. The Judges of the Appeals Chamber specifically addressed that issue in the context of Cote d’Ivoire’s ad hoc acceptance of the Court’s jurisdiction under Article 12(3) and its subsequent exercise of jurisdiction in the Laurent Gbagbo case over the personal objections of President Gbagbo himself. See the judgment against Gbagbo and do try to get yourself some clue. http://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/doc/doc1526463.pdf

        FYI, none of your sources actually mention a nine month delay “in going to the ICC”. They really only say that Abbas agreed not to pursue unilateral action through the UN (like depositing an accession to the Rome Statute with the UN Secretary General) and draw an inference about the ICC, which is not a UN organ. By definition there is no “unilateral” right of action in the ICC itself that Abbas hasn’t already taken by depositing the 12(3) declaration and reports on Israeli war crimes.

        You also demonstrate your ignorance by implying that Abbas has missed an opportunity. But in fact, the Prosecutor and the Court would have to address the issue of the radioactive cutoff-off date for application of the statute, even if Palestine joins the Court. The Prosecutor readily admits that retroactive effect would cover the 9 month period you are discussing here. Palestine status a a state was established before talks began, so there’s no longer any question that the Rome Statute will apply to any crimes committed by either side during the peace talks.

      • Justpassingby
        June 18, 2014, 6:47 am

        Hostage

        Once again you show you dont know anything about this issue and once again you show that you didnt have the honesty to respond to my questions.

        Because there is no such thing as “freezing going to the ICC” after you’ve already filed an Article 12(3) declaration.

        1. False.
        During the 9 month talk palestinians refused to make any unilateral move, for example going to the ICC.
        2. False.
        There is no file by palestinians waiting at the ICC. The art.12 pg.3 was rejected to begin with because of the statehood situation for Palestine.
        ALso Palestine is not a member of ICC and there isnt clear that even if ICC would investigate that this would be retroactive.

      • Hostage
        June 18, 2014, 8:43 am

        Hostage Once again you show you dont know anything about this issue and once again you show that you didnt have the honesty to respond to my questions.

        I’ve responded to all of your questions, it’s not my fault your “elevator doesn’t go to the top floor”.

        Because there is no such thing as “freezing going to the ICC” after you’ve already filed an Article 12(3) declaration.

        1. False.
        During the 9 month talk palestinians refused to make any unilateral move, for example going to the ICC.

        I’ve provided you with international law journal articles and ICC Court decisions which explain that the court can continue to take action on any crime listed in the statute, with or without the consent or involvement of the non-member state, after it has an Article 12(3) declaration in hand. I’ve pointed out that the Prosecutor cannot make a final judicial determination on disputed material facts regarding statehood.

        I’ve also shown you articles which explain that the Prosecutors have been criticized in the past by the Judges in the trial chambers for talking to the press and giving the false impression that the Judges have ruled on issues, when in fact they have not, and for giving the impression that the things the Prosecutors say can’t be legally challenged. This article is a graphic example: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/palestine-and-the-icc/

        States can only grant the Court jurisdiction in two ways: by joining the Court as a state party (Article 12(1)) or by providing an ad hoc declaration as a non-member state under (Article 12(3)). Article 11(2) explains that only an Article 12(3) declaration can have retroactive effects:

        2. If a State becomes a Party to this Statute after its entry into force, the Court may exercise its jurisdiction only with respect to crimes committed after the entry into force of this Statute for that State, unless that State has made a declaration under article 12, paragraph 3.

        Article 12(3) is only an option before a country becomes a member state:

        3. If the acceptance of a State which is not a Party to this Statute is required under paragraph 2, that State may, by declaration lodged with the Registrar, accept the exercise of jurisdiction by the Court with respect to the crime in question. The accepting State shall cooperate with the Court without any delay or exception in accordance with Part 9.

        http://goo.gl/rUflCu

        So when Fatou Bensouda commented on the issue of retroactivity, and said that she did not think that any retroactivity could extend back to the birth of the court in 2002 – at most, if prior to Palestine’s formal accession to the Rome Statute, to November 29, 2012, when the UN General Assembly determined the issue of Palestine’s state status. She implicity is saying that Abbas can now validly file another Article 12(3) declaration that will allow prosecution of any crimes committed during your “so-called” 9 month freeze. He can also do that without joining the court, since the Prosecutor doesn’t have the statutory authority to amend Article 12 of the Statute and render it moot.

        In any event, if there is a dispute over a material fact, like statehood, that could affect the exercise of the Courts jurisdiction or the outcome of a case, it has to be decided by the trier of fact, i.e. the Judges, not the Prosecutors.

  2. just
    June 16, 2014, 10:01 am

    Collective Punishment = War Crime

    btw, how do we know that the teens were abducted/kidnapped? I wonder…

    I do hope that they are safe.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 10:31 am

      ”how do we know that the teens were abducted/kidnapped? ”

      We don’t.

      Like I said yesterday, if they were captured by a Palestinian militant group, why wouldn’t we have heard a ransom demand by now? It’s been 3 days. Not much point risking your life to take a high-value target and then not make any use of it.

      • Suzanne K
        June 16, 2014, 2:41 pm

        I sincerely doubt that those teenaged settlers from the zionist madrassa, er, Hebrew religious school, were “hitchhiking” through occupied Palestinian territory at night.

        More likely, they were there vandalizing Palestinian property and were caught by locals who didn’t know what to do with them.
        Where they are now is anybody’s guess, but they sure weren’t “innocently” minding their own business in the occupied West Bank that night.

      • SQ Debris
        June 16, 2014, 10:41 pm

        If (there’s a reasonable level of uncertainty) those guys were seized by the Palestinian resistance there’s a million reasons to keep mum. Israel is glued to it’s collective TVs right now. It’s Hitchcock quality suspense. I just hope those fellows haven’t been taken to some Israeli pervs basement. It’s an easier proposition to buy due to the blanket checkpoints for Palestinians Only.

      • Pippilin
        June 17, 2014, 9:36 am

        My comment on FB re: the “kill a Palestinian a day for each day teenagers are missing”:

        As if Israel doesn’t murder and maim enough Palestinians to match & exceed the same # of Palestinians by the thousands— so you want to murder 1 Palestinian for every day that your teenagers are being held? First determine who is holding them: I have no doubt that Israel is capable of perpetrating this kidnapping itself in order to emphasize Netanyahu’s ugliness- “Rise up to kill those who kill us”. Israel, like its close buddy, the US, uses provocation regularly to fill a populace with venom and hate. Just consider that Hamas may have had no hand in this incident at all. And while you call for “one life a day”– remember that if Palestinians hold your teenagers, they can do the same. I hope that neither Israel nor Palestine takes such a route.

      • Daniel Rich
        June 17, 2014, 6:58 pm

        @ Pippilin,

        Q: As if Israel doesn’t murder and maim enough Palestinians to match & exceed the same # of Palestinians by the thousands…

        R: Well, f*** me. I thought those Palestinians had to be killed so the sun would rise again in the morning…

        Hey, don’t shake me or I’ll be in Denial!

    • thetruthhurts
      June 16, 2014, 11:58 pm

      we don’t really know anything about what really happened.
      only what israel wants us to know, kind of like the american mass media.
      the whole story could be one big fat israeli lie!
      like israel is our best ally.
      and israel is the only democracy in the middle east.
      and israel never spys on america.
      and…get the picture now?

  3. Woody Tanaka
    June 16, 2014, 10:09 am

    The acts taken by the IOF since the settlers went missing are far, far worse than it would be if it turns out these settlers were seized by Palestinians.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 16, 2014, 10:15 am

      woody, could you elaborate what you mean?

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 10:23 am

        The acts taken by the Israelis: the closure of Hebron, the collective punishment, the criminal batteries detailed in this story, the seizure of untold numbers of Palestinians — above and beyond the normal level of criminality by the Israelis — are far, far worse than seizure of these settlers. If someone condemns the “kidnapping” of these settlers, than one would either have to more firmly condemn the Israeli response or be shown as a hypocrite.

        Also, Anyone who doesn’t understand that Netanyahoo is using the fact that these settlers are missing as a burning-of-the-Reichstag to go against Hamas is a fool.

      • lysias
        June 16, 2014, 11:04 am

        I am close to finishing a recent book on the Reichstag Fire controversy, Marcus Giebeler’s Die Kontroverse um den Reichstagsbrand. Like other books I have read, this book makes it clear that there is absolutely no chance that the fire was set by Marinus van der Lubbe alone, and that it is probable that the fire was primarily set by the Nazis.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 10:34 am

        I thought Woody’s comment sounded odd at first, and while of course I shouldn’t speak for him, I wonder if he’s saying that the Israelis know that the settlers were kidnapped by other Israelis. In other words, this is a massive security failure that they’re trying to cover up by this characteristically vengeful crackdown?

        That said, when Gilad Shalit was captured by Hamas, the Israelis responded by bombing Gaza heavily, including knocking out the electricity plant. So I’m not sure this is an overreaction, by Israel’s standards.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 16, 2014, 10:51 am

        israel made a deal they would return a certain number of prisoners, some being held since before the 1st intifada, in exchange for palestinians engaging in 9 months of ‘peace negotiations’. israel broke that agreement. it’s not unfathomable to assume palestinians feel they got ripped off in that deal.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:26 am

        I would say that we don’t know that these people were actually kidnapped (and that would depend on whether they’re being held, who is holding them, and why) or are missing or what. But I would say that I believe that regardless of the fact, Netanyahoo is clearly using this event (regardless of who did it or why) as an excuse to strike at the Palestinian unity government.

        I wouldn’t say that they were kidnapped by other Israelis. I don’t know. But I certainly would not reject that notion out of hand. (The evidence seems AWFUL convenient that just as Benji and his minions were not getting any traction with the world’s leaders in his quest to shut out the Palestinian government because of Hamas, there just so happens to be this incident, after which Netanyahoo seems as intent on kidnapping the Hamas leadership as he does on finding these settlers.)

      • piotr
        June 16, 2014, 4:08 pm

        A “normal IDF reaction” is not necessarily normal.

        Over the years, IDF goes totally bonkers when they think that an IDF soldier was captured. This is what happened on Mavi Marmara, last Lebanon war and so on.

        With civilians, not so much. With service-shirking yeshiva boys, ah, well, it could be a prank. The measures taking so-far, a mass arrest of Hamasniks, lockup of Palestinian cities and so on are mild responses by IDF standards, consummerate with meager status of the teens.

        In context, locking up Palestinian cities is a celebratory part of all major Jewish holidays (but without erecting extra barriers, just closing the checkpoints).

      • Ellen
        June 16, 2014, 4:24 pm

        Considering the one of the boys called the police shortly after the abduction (by whomever) and the police claim it was disregarded as a crank call, and then passed on hours later, this is a huge security failure.

        No matter, this event has handed Israel another pretext to kill more Palestinians.

        Even a few (very few) Israeli’s are getting suspicious of this kidnapping.

  4. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 16, 2014, 10:26 am

    Right. So a few Israeli teens go missing in an area entirely under Israeli control, and yet the PA are responsible? When a cat gets stuck up a tree in Tel Aviv, do the Israelis also blame the nearest Palestinian?

    It’s becoming more and more clear that the ‘abduction’ of these young men is being used as a blatant pretext for a wide-scale crackdown on the West Bank, in the hope of provoking a 3rd intifadah.

    And if the Israelis are so concerned about their precious ‘boys’, maybe they should have responded to the emergency call a bit more promptly. Would have been a bit easier than putting an entire population under curfew, no?

    • Mayhem
      June 16, 2014, 10:53 pm

      Hamas may have stopped short of claiming responsibility, but have not hesitated in praising the apparent abduction. Palestinian militants have repeatedly threatened to kidnap Israelis and have been itching for an opportunity to put Israel under the hammer by using captured Israelis as bargaining bait. In summary Hamas is morally responsible and their hateful attitude is good reason for Israel to see that there is no genuine Palestinian partner for peace.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 17, 2014, 6:25 am

        “Hamas may have stopped short of claiming responsibility, ”

        LMAO. Is that zio-speak for “Hamas denied responsibility”?

        “but have not hesitated in praising the apparent abduction.”

        It’s not praise to point out that these settlers had no business there.

        “Palestinian militants have repeatedly threatened to kidnap Israelis”

        As Israel jas done with Palestinians for generations. Good for the goose…

        “have been itching for an opportunity to put Israel under the hammer by using captured Israelis as bargaining bait.”

        LMAO. Geez, you complain when they kill you people and now you complain when they don’t. All the while, you’re doing worse to them. It’s as if you think only Jews have a right to use force and don’t want an actual just peace, but you want a serf population whose abandoned all their humanity and self respect and civil and hunan rights… oh, wait, that’s exactly what you people think and want.

        “In summary Hamas is morally responsible”

        That must be an example of “morality” among the Zionists: is the victims of a serial rapist band together for their protection, it is their “moral responsibility” if the next victim scratches the rapist.

        “their hateful attitude is good reason for Israel to see that there is no genuine Palestinian partner for peace.”

        Oh Israel has done plenty to see to it that no Palestinian would want to make peace with them. After Israel’s repeated mass murderers and oppression of the Palestinians, who could blame the Palestinians for not wanting peace. But the Palestinians are better than the Zionists and actually do want peace and a just peace. But it’s the Zionists who aren’t a partner in peace. They’ve gotten used to living knee-deep in innocent Palestinian blood while stomping on Palestinian skulls that they’ve come to love it.

      • Giles
        June 17, 2014, 8:32 am

        A fine glimpse into the Zionist mindset. Hamas is responsible for the kidnappings — even if they had nothing to do with them (which is the case in all likelihood). And since they had nothing to do with the kidnappings yet are to blame, there is no genuine Palestinian partner for peace so Israel can continue to act like the monster she is.

        I mean, you can’t make this stuff up. Zionists are completely — and dangerously — delusional.

  5. Palikari
    June 16, 2014, 10:44 am

    You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law? Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet? You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).

    Anti-Israel activists are a bunch if hypocrites!

    • eljay
      June 16, 2014, 11:00 am

      >> You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law? Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet?

      I condemn the kidnapping of these teenagers. They must be released unharmed, and the kidnappers must be held accountable for their crimes.

      >> You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).
      >> Anti-Israel activists are a bunch if hypocrites!

      The cauldron calls the tea-cup ‘black’! It’s a bad joke when hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists cite international law and complain about hypocrisy.

    • justicewillprevail
      June 16, 2014, 11:00 am

      You’re not looking very hard, are you?

    • Justpassingby
      June 16, 2014, 11:06 am

      Pro-israel that defend israel that have some 1000-2000 kidnapped palestinians in jail.

      Pro-Israel activists are a bunch if hypocrites!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 11:06 am

      ”Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet? ”

      I can’t condemn something until I know it’s happened, can I? Provide evidence that these ‘Jewish teenagers’ have been kidnapped and I’ll condemn it.

      BTW what does these teenagers’ religion have to do with anything at all?

      • Naftush
        June 16, 2014, 11:21 am

        Evidence that they were kidnapped? the Palestinian Arab celebrations. Somehow they haven’t fallen for the false-flag theory that’s current here.

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:33 am

        “Evidence that they were kidnapped? the Palestinian Arab celebrations.”

        Nope. Even assuming that there are such “celebrations” (rather than you spreading a filthy Zionist libel), that would only prove that they were in a celebratory mood, not that this was a kidnapping. The Palestinians could look around and see the psychic harm that this event — regardless of its cause — has had on their oppressors and be glad that all of you are feeling this anguish and pain. That is a thing to celebrate, because maybe 1 out of 10 of you fools might come to understand that you inflict hundreds of times as much anguish and pain on people who are more innocent that these settlers and their settler families.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 11:36 am

        Nartush,

        It must be hard to be so filled with hate for an entire people. Yeah, I’m sure Palestinians are jumping with joy at having their towns cut off, their relatives arrested and the threat of yet more bombs. What joy.

        If you have no evidence that your precious settlers were kidnapped, just admit it instead of further demonstrating your hatred.

      • Cliff
        June 16, 2014, 1:09 pm

        Who cares that they celebrated. That is not evidence of anything other than cheering against your enemy.

      • Giles
        June 17, 2014, 8:34 am

        Who says there were celebrations by the Palestinians?

        That is the view of someone in a Zionist fever dream

      • just
        June 17, 2014, 8:43 am

        Giles- because the same propaganda worked so well for them just after 9/11, some are trotting it out again…

      • Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:30 am

        “BTW what does these teenagers’ religion have to do with anything at all?”

        Palikari let the bigotry slip. If they had been Palestinians (like the hundreds of Palestinian children regularly kidnapped by the IOF), Palikari would have been happy and joyous, but because they’re Jews, the whole world is supposed to stop and mourne.

      • just
        June 16, 2014, 11:40 am

        At least 150 Palestinians have been kidnapped over the weekend by the IOF and other goons.

        and

        “JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday telephoned President Mahmoud Abbas and said he expected him to help ensure the safe return of three kidnapped teenagers, a statement said.

        Abbas’ office also issued a statement condemning both the kidnapping of the three youths and the results of a massive Israeli crackdown to find the perpetrators.”
        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705174

        and

        “RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — Israeli troops shot dead a young Palestinian man in al-Jalazun refugee camp north of Ramallah during overnight clashes with locals, medics said.

        Palestinian Red Crescent officials said the victim, 20-year-old Ahmad Sabarin, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest.”
        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705075

    • Woody Tanaka
      June 16, 2014, 11:20 am

      “You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law?”

      No, but I know how people looking for Justice in Palestine correctly assert that Israel is immoral and correctly assert that it is violating international law.

      “Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet?”

      Prove they have been kidnapped and not just “missing.” Who did it? Why? What were the three settlers doing?

      “You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).”

      So are the settlements, so kindly get all of you Israelis behind the green line or demonstrate that you do not wish the Geneva Conventions to apply to Israelis in this conflict.

    • Kay24
      June 16, 2014, 11:24 am

      Perhaps they wait to hear pro zionists condemn the killing of two unarmed kids during the Nakba anniversary. You know the ones that CNN video taped, and the zionists lied about rubber bullets, and that the Palestinians doctored those tapes?
      There is also the matter of 500 Palestinians kids violently kidnapped from their beds at night while helpless parents watch, and dumped into Israel’s dungeons.
      So much to condemn Israel for, and there is false outrage here about these unfortunate three kids from the zionist side.

    • pjdude
      June 16, 2014, 12:04 pm

      I’ve done it twice others have done it also. nop one is claiming Israel is violating international law its a fact. what is with you zionists and your pathological need to lie. actually what the 34th article of the fourth geneva conventions states is taking hostages is prohibited not kidnapping. ie if they were taken as prisoners say for violating palestinians immigration laws than that wouldn’t be a crime.

    • amigo
      June 16, 2014, 12:32 pm

      “You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law? Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet? You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).” Palikari

      Firstly , let me condemn kidnapping.That applies to all kidnappings.If it turns out they were kidnapped as part of a zionist plan to stir up trouble , will you condemn it.

      Of course not , you will tell us they were not kidnapped.

      Btw, are you seriously quoting Intl Law.
      You must be joking.

    • The JillyBeans
      June 16, 2014, 1:11 pm

      A kidnapping that has not been proven. Only that the Israeli government acts as if repeating something enough times, regardless of veracity will make it true?

      How about the fact that the IDF assassinated two palestinian youths a couple weeks ago? In broad daylight.

    • Hostage
      June 16, 2014, 2:41 pm

      You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law? Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet? You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).

      Anti-Israel activists are a bunch if hypocrites!

      Wake me up when you have some evidence that the teens were kidnapped by a party to the 4th Geneva Convention. FYI, even if you could do that, the armistice agreements would still prohibit the teens from being on the wrong side of the Green Line. In “Gaza Coast Regional Council v Knesset of Israel, HCJ 1661/05 (2005), an expanded Supreme Court bench of eleven held that Gaza, Judea, and Samaria were occupied territory and that Israeli settlers therein were not “protected persons” for the purposes of Article 4 of the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention. So you’ll need to explain the method employed to make Article 34 applicable to them. The armistice agreements and the provisional measures adopted pursuant to the relevant Chapter 7 UN Security Council resolutions supplement the rules annexed to the Hague Convention of 1907 and those contained in the Geneva Conventions of 1949. Both sides and the UN agreed that the laws and customs of war prohibit civilians from ever crossing the armistice lines.

      You are correct that we complain because Israel never treats any of the uniformed Palestinian militias as POWs in accordance with the laws contained in the Third Geneva Convention and the Israeli High Court has refused to treat Palestinian as protected persons under the terms of the 4th Convention. It refuses to order Israeli officials to stop kidnapping Palestinian civilians for use as bargaining chips or illegally transferring them out of the occupied territories to prisons in Israel in violation of Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention. See HCJ Rejects Petition against Holding Detained Palestinians in Israeli Territory [HCJ 2690/09] [28.3.2010] link to idi.org.il

      The Olmert government illegally rounded-up 68 Palestinian lawmakers for use as bargaining chips for Cpl Gilad Shalit and treated the public to the spectacle of saying they would contrive some sort of criminal charges after the fact, when the Attorney General refused to go along with the plan to place them in administrative detention and use them as hostages to obtain the release of the Israeli prisoner:

      Attorney General Menachem Mazuz refused a request by the Shin Bet security service and the government to place dozens of senior Hamas officials under administrative detention or hold them as “bargaining chips” under the Unlawful Combatants Law.
      Mazuz insisted that the arrests be carried out under ordinary criminal warrants that would require legal proceedings against the Hamas officials under the Prevention of Terror Ordinance. They will probably be charged with membership in or leadership of a terrorist organization.
      The detainees will be brought before a judge for a remand hearing within the next 96 hours, and legal proceedings against them will be carried out in military courts in the territories.

      The Group of Eight industrialized countries said Thursday that the Hamas arrests raised “particular concerns.”
      A Justice Ministry spokesperson said that the change in policy towards ministers and parliamentarians who are members of Hamas was carried out with the approval of and in coordination with the judiciary, and that Israel intends on arresting more Hamas officials.

      — AG refuses to ok use of Hamas officials as ‘bargaining chips’ http://www.haaretz.com/news/ag-refuses-to-ok-use-of-hamas-officials-as-bargaining-chips-1.191639

    • Dutch
      June 16, 2014, 2:54 pm

      @ Palikari

      I think you have a bit of a problem. Israel is the major child-kidnapping nation in the world. And yeah, that’s flatly prohibited under the Fouth Geneva Convention (art. 34). But you probably knew that already.

      http://rt.com/news/1500-palestinian-children-dead-629/

      Some quotes:

      – In addition to the 1,520 children that have been killed [since 2000], another 6,000 have been injured and more than 10,000 arrested, Palestinian news agency Ma’an quoted [minister of social affairs] Sharafi as saying. Two-hundred children are still in detention in Israeli prisons.

      – Each year, some 700 Palestinian children aged 12 to 17 – mainly boys – are arrested, interrogated, and detained by Israel’s army, police, and security agents, UNICEF said in the [March 2013] 22-page document.

      – In June 2013, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) issued a report stating that thousands of Palestinian children were systematically injured, tortured, and used as human shields by Israel.

      – During the 10-year period examined by UN human rights experts, up to 7,000 children aged 9 to 17 were arrested, interrogated and kept captive, CRC said in the report.

    • Accentitude
      June 17, 2014, 4:48 am

      Ahh, here we go with the “anti-Israel” bullshit. Congratulations on being that guy. I’ve seen plenty of Pro-Peace Human Rights Activists condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers. I’ve also seen plenty of pro-peace human rights activists condemning the nightly routine of kidnappings of Palestinian children from their homes by IDF but I have failed to see any condemnation of these particular activities by any Israelis. Ok, that’s not true, Breaking the Silence, Hamoked, Adalah, PCATI, PHR-IL, B’tselem have issued plenty of statements. Let’s try that again, I have yet to see any condemnation of these particular activities by the general Israeli population or their elected officials and I have yet to see Israeli cities locked down, citizens/soldiers arrested, detained, or tortured, checkpoints erected in Tel Aviv or Haifa or West Jerusalem or Netanya; I’ve yet to see Israeli homes demolished or talks of threatening to ban Likud or Yisrael Beiteinu party members to certain areas or rounded up and thrown in solitary confinement or expediting laws that would make releasing them impossible. I wonder why there is no response when Israel perpetrates these crimes against Palestinians. Could it be because we’re not Jewish? Because we’re not “chosen”? Because we’re the unwanted disposable brand of human that is flawed and undesired? Yes, probably. Israel’s actions in this matter have only exposed it as a truly racist biased apartheid state.

      • Shmuel
        June 17, 2014, 5:32 am

        Well said, Accentitude. It’s much more than hypocrisy (e.g. the different definitions of “minors” applied to Jews and Palestinians under Israeli civilian/military law). It all feeds into the dehumanisation of Palestinians, who “aren’t like us” and “don’t love their children” — which in turn serves to rationalise the constant Israeli abuse of Palestinian children and violation of their most basic human rights.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 6:07 am

        It’s much more than hypocrisy

        I agree.

        You know how anti-Israel activists love to claim that Israel is immoral because they claim it is violating international law?

        Yes, but you are “comparing apples to oranges”. Even if the claims are true, this is not evidence of a “widespread” or “systematic” attack on the settler population, so it isn’t a crime against humanity at this point. You can’t say the same for the actions of the IDF over the years. There’s no evidence of a connection to the organized Palestinian groups engaged in the armed conflict at this point. So it isn’t necessarily a war crime or even a breach of the Geneva Conventions either. Normally, I would be happy to condemn the simple crime of abduction, as such, even if it’s the work of a lone perpetrator. But there’s no proof that happened in this case just yet.

    • Cliff
      June 17, 2014, 7:52 am

      @Palikari

      Being anti-Israel is a moral imperative. Israel is a racist apartheid State.

    • Talkback
      June 17, 2014, 8:21 am

      Have you seen even one of them condemning the kidnapping of three Jewish teenagers yet? You know… kidnapping is flatly prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention (art. 34).

      1.) I condemn kidnapping as well as administrative detentions. Do you?
      2. ) Your Antigentile Apartheid Junta thinks that the Geneva Conventions are not applicable in your Zionist protectorate versions of ‘Bohemia and Moravia’.
      3.) Illegal settlers are not protected persons under the GC. That’s the reason why your Junta uses and twists the Hague Convention to suggest, that they are.

      Anti-Israel activists are a bunch if hypocrites!

      Why don’t you support violating international law, like you do, when your beloved Apartheid Junta does it? Are Pro-Israel activists the real bunch of hypocrites?

  6. StanleyHeller
    June 16, 2014, 10:49 am

    All kinds of arrests and violent measures are being taken under cover of avenging these kidnappings. We can take a small action to oppose incitement to murder via Facebook.

    Ask Facebook to Remove Page Calling for Murder of Jailed Palestinians

    A page has been created in response to the kidnapping of 3 Israelis by advocating that a Palestinian “convict” be killed every hour until the 3 are returned. It’s so far gotten 17,000 likes. The Times of Israel and the “Jewish Press” of the U.S. report on this incitement to murder as if it were just another story. Ask Facebook to take down this page. See below on how to do it. #NoIncitementToMurder

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/facebook-page-launched-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-until-kidnapped-children-are-returned/2014/06/14/

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705004

    Reporting will take about 60 seconds.

    1. Go to this disgusting Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/lehaselmehabel

    2. Click on top cover photo (Palestinians targeted on left, 3 kidnpapped on right)
    3. Click “Options”
    4. Click “Report”
    5. Click “It shouldn’t be on Facebook”
    6. Click Other
    7. Click “This Advocates harm or violence or mocks injured victims
    8. Click “Submit report”

    • Annie Robbins
      June 16, 2014, 11:10 am

      you could tweet them too @facebook

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 11:15 am

      I reported it on grounds of ‘credible threat of violence’. Got a message this morning saying it did not violate FB standards. The page remains live.

      That’s Facebook for you.

      • Kris
        June 16, 2014, 11:29 am

        That’s the message I got, too.

      • Kate
        June 16, 2014, 12:20 pm

        And I. Facebook objectivity is nonexistent. Now if it had been a Palestinian page advocating the killing of an Israeli Jew every hour or so….

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 12:40 pm

        if it had been a Palestinian page advocating the killing of an Israeli Jew every hour or so, the page would have been taken down within minutes. Obama would have condemned it, editorials would have been written about Muslim anti-semitism, the UN would have met in special session.

      • Accentitude
        June 17, 2014, 4:59 am

        Wonderful. But post a page about the nationalistic poetry of Mahmoud Darwish or a page in recognition of the accomplishment of the late Arafat and it’ll get reported and pulled immediately.

      • Zach S
        June 17, 2014, 10:21 am

        It isn’t a credible threat of violence. The page is calling for the Israeli government to execute Palestinian terrorists, not for people in general to do so. That’s political activism, not threats of violence.

      • Hostage
        June 17, 2014, 7:10 pm

        It isn’t a credible threat of violence. The page is calling for the Israeli government to execute Palestinian terrorists, not for people in general to do so.

        That isn’t a credible defense. The government of Israel sanctions extra-judicial killings and Anat Kahm disclosed classified documents which established that there is no penalty or punishment for violating the Supreme Court guidelines and deliberately planning to murder a suspect in advance of the actual raid where an “attempted arrest” is merely a subtrefuge for a lynching.

  7. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 16, 2014, 11:26 am

    The real objective is becoming ever more obvious:

    ”Although Israel has insisted Hamas was responsible, it has yet to provide any hard evidence linking the kidnapping to the group. In ominous remarks, the chief of Israel’s armed forces, Lieutenant General Benny Gantz, said the military was preparing to expand its operations.

    Gantz said: “We have a goal, and that is to find these three boys and bring them home, and to hit Hamas as hard as possible – and that is what we are going to do. We are on our way toward a significant campaign. We will get our plans in order.”

    An Israeli government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to Reuters, said Israel was looking to leverage the search into a wider clampdown on Hamas in the West Bank.

    In an interview, the aunt of Naftali Frankel, Ittael, expressed the family’s gratitude for the nationwide support and for the government’s efforts to find him. “We are of course very, very worried, we really, really want to see him home fast,” she added.

    Israeli forces have arrested more than 150 Palestinians, most of them from Hamas, over the past four days. The detainees included 10 Hamas legislators – one-third of the Hamas representatives from the West Bank in the long-defunct Palestinian parliament.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/16/israel-considering-expelling-hamas-leaders-west-bank-gaza

    Anyone who can’t see that this is a blatant pretext to destroy the unity government, inflict further collective punishment on Palestinians and quite possibly launch yet another assault on Gaza, needs their head examined.

  8. unverified__5ilf90kd
    June 16, 2014, 11:53 am

    Everyone is Lebanon and Palestine etc these days will be saying that this kidnapping is a Mossad operation, so that Israel can blame Hamas. Actually they always say this. Perhaps they are right on this occasion ? Israel has a lot to gain by attacking Hamas at this time just after the reconciliation. And what are these Israeli kids doing? Hitchhiking in the occupied territories where Israel is tormenting the Palestinians on a daily basis?

  9. HarryLaw
    June 16, 2014, 11:55 am

    Annie comments on another thread, Israeli Ministers to consider further measures against Hamas, including deportation, destruction of homes and cutting funding etc, this goes to show how the nuclear option of a transfer of the whole Palestinian population could be implemented in the event of a war and how the war criminal Israelis would try to justify it. Of course transfer is taking place now on a small scale, but as Netanyahu said, it must be carried on “under the radar” of the International community.

  10. unverified__5ilf90kd
    June 16, 2014, 11:57 am

    I also read that concerning the kidnapping, Netanyahu had recently spoken to Abbas for the first time in 12 months. This is a telling fact that completely defines Netanyahu’s contemptuous attitude towards the Palestinians.

    • seafoid
      June 17, 2014, 1:36 am

      Doesn’t it just? Palestinians are Untermenschen whose only role in life is to ensure the safety of Jewish settlers in Erez Israel.

    • Accentitude
      June 17, 2014, 5:36 am

      Maan is reporting that Netanyahu called Abbas but Haaretz is reporting that Abbas called Netanyahu. Either way, the message was clear: Netanyahu “expected” Abbas’ cooperation in finding the kidnapped.

  11. bilal a
    June 16, 2014, 12:18 pm

    Neither the IDF nor settler groups could pull off a false flag involving kidnapping of teens because it requires deny-ability, arab buffers, a credible non Israeli group to hold the kids until they are rescued, assuming that Israelis will not kill their own, and I cannot believe the contrary. No this is a privatized operation.

    Seems more likely Fatah or Egyptian Intell would do this to discredit Hamas and keep the money flowing. At the last moment, they can help the Israelis foil the kidnapping and rescue the teens (we hope, they are innocent non combatants by all acounts). And As Sisi collaborated with Israel and Saudi against Hamas for decades– using backdorr channels which would have approved this op. In any case, the kidnappers will not survive, and they don’t know who hired them. Iran seems a likely goat in final preparation for a full air attack in which the USA will be drawn in.

    Seems coordinated with ISIS-Saudi operations inside Iraq, and recent political events surrounding the Lobby..

    Eric Cantor’s Defeat Is Also Netanyahu’s
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/eric-cantors-defeat-is-also-netanyahus/

    They need to get this Iran & next Gaza bombing going before the next US election. There are billions at stake in petrol -military revenues, a significant portion going directly to transnational arabian — israeli oligarchs

    Who is funding ISIS in Iraq hanging that disgrace around OBama’s neck?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 12:38 pm

      You may be right.

      BUT as Amigo said, the 3 ‘boys’ might have been in on it themselves. It could be that this entire ‘abduction’ was staged, and that, as Amigo hinted, the three ‘boys’ could be found holed up in some basement in Al Khalil, recently vacated by a family arrested during the ‘search’ for these settlers. So there would be no need to kill or even harm the ‘boys’. Plus, given the fact that the WB is riddled with collaborators, it wouldn’t be too hard to find a few Palestinians willing to go along with the ruse.

      Anything is possible. But the official ‘abduction’ tale is looking less credible by the hour. 3 days and still no claim or responsibility? No ransom demand? No pictures of the sad-faced boys holding today’s copy of Al Quds?

      • amigo
        June 16, 2014, 1:20 pm

        “Anything is possible. But the official ‘abduction’ tale is looking less credible by the hour. 3 days and still no claim or responsibility? No ransom demand? No pictures of the sad-faced boys holding today’s copy of Al Quds?” MDM

        If what I suggest is right then look for Israel to drag this out as long as it takes to get a response by causing as much pain and terror as they can before “Freeing” the so called kidnapped “boys”.

    • lysias
      June 16, 2014, 12:40 pm

      I imagine a lot of people are upset by the talk of Iran and the U.S. cooperating with respect to Iraq.

      • just
        June 16, 2014, 12:44 pm

        heh, lysias.

        Well, I’m not– I am tickled pink!

        (many thanks for the post about FDR that you provided below)

  12. Kate
    June 16, 2014, 12:26 pm

    Surprisingly, here is an NBC story about the page Facebook doesn’t consider bad enough to take down:

    West Bank Kidnappings: Facebook Page Backs Hourly Executions

    A Facebook page calling for the execution of one “terrorist” per hour until three Jewish teens kidnapped in the West Bank are freed had garnered more than 17,000 likes by Monday.

    “Execute a terrorist every hour until the Jewish kidnapping victims are released,” read the page’s description, referring to Palestinians jailed in Israeli prisons for terrorism.
    First published June 16th 2014, 9:22 am

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/west-bank-kidnappings/west-bank-kidnappings-facebook-page-backs-hourly-executions-n132036

    • lysias
      June 16, 2014, 12:39 pm

      FDR’s Statement Denouncing the Nazi Murder of French Hostages (Oct. 25, 1941):

      The practice of executing scores of innocent hostages in reprisal for isolated attacks on Germans in countries temporarily under the Nazi heel revolts a world already inured to suffering and brutality. Civilized peoples long ago adopted the basic principle that no man should be punished for the deed of another. Unable to apprehend the persons involved in these attacks the Nazis characteristically slaughter fifty or a hundred innocent persons. Those who would “collaborate” with Hitler or try to appease him cannot ignore this ghastly warning.

      The Nazis might have learned from the last war the impossibility of breaking men’s spirit by terrorism. Instead they develop their “lebensraum” and “new order” by depths of frightfulness which even they have never approached before. These are the acts of desperate men who know in their hearts that they cannot win. Frightfulness can never bring peace to Europe. It only sows the seeds of hatred which will one day bring fearful retribution.

  13. marc b.
    June 16, 2014, 1:29 pm

    Mossad chief’s chillingly prescient kidnap prophecy

    Ten days ago, Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario that was spookily similar to the kidnapping of three teens missing in the West Bank since Thursday.

    By Barak Ravid | 06:08 15.06.14 |

    Ten days ago, at a security cabinet meeting, Mossad Chief Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario spookily similar to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens missing since Thursday night.

    rest of article behind haaretz pay wall.

    • Sycamores
      June 16, 2014, 10:58 pm

      @ Marc b

      in relation to the Habayit Hayehudi bill that prohibits granting pardons to terrorists Padro gave an example

      “What will you do if in a week three 14-year-old girls will be kidnapped from one of the settlements?,” he asked. “Will you say there is a law, and we don’t release terrorists?”

      http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.598751?v=9E19E997AD217B5941AFCD9189E2CE76

      Pardo, along with other defense establishment officials present, tried to convince the ministers not to advance the bill. He was against it because it would limit the government’s room for maneuver in future abduction cases, would keep its hands tied, and prevent it from considering other solutions for dealing with a potential crisis.

      well hey a week later 3 teens get kidnapped alledgedly by Hamas, prehaps the bill will get scrap now.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 16, 2014, 11:58 pm

        prehaps the bill will get scrap now.

        or pushed thru.

  14. Denis
    June 16, 2014, 2:28 pm

    @Allison: While the Israeli Defense Forces and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that they have evidence Hamas is responsible for the abduction, the Palestinian Authority has indicated that Hamas did not carry out the kidnapping.

    ToI is reporting that the PA is moving away from Hamas on this issue.

    1) If Hamas is found to be guilty, the unity pact is over.
    2) Referring to an unnamed PA official: “The assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles, the official went on, is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping, as Netanyahu has charged.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-official-unity-pact-is-void-if-hamas-carried-out-kidnapping/

    It raises the question, with all of the talk about taking GoI to the ICC, if these kids turn up dead and were killed by Palestinians, could Palestine be dragged before the ICC? I mean, is there a certain status-threshold to be considered criminally liable as a country?

    • Annie Robbins
      June 16, 2014, 10:55 pm

      if the times of israel reports an anonymous PA official said the assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping…it is likely

      1) true an anonymous PA official said that
      2) untrue an anonymous PA official said that
      3) true an anonymous PA official said that and true the assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping
      4) true an anonymous PA official said that and untrue the assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping
      5) untrue an anonymous PA official said that and untrue the assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping
      6) untrue an anonymous PA official said that and true the assessment in Palestinian intelligence circles is that Hamas, or a faction within Hamas, is responsible for the kidnapping.

      i’m not that sure what to think about what the times of israel claims anonymous officials claim.

      • Sycamores
        June 16, 2014, 11:11 pm

        Hi Annie Rumsfeld,

        Reports that say there’s — that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things that we know that we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don’t know we don’t know.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 16, 2014, 11:42 pm

        ha! ;) yes, when listening to gov officials, (especially anonymous ones) i take it all with a grain of salt.

        but i never did answer his question re is there a certain status-threshold to be considered criminally liable as a country?

        he would have to ask hostage, but it’s my understanding individuals are charged in a criminal court, not countries. and i assume that would apply to palestinians too.

    • Hostage
      June 17, 2014, 3:25 am

      It raises the question, with all of the talk about taking GoI to the ICC, if these kids turn up dead and were killed by Palestinians, could Palestine be dragged before the ICC? I mean, is there a certain status-threshold to be considered criminally liable as a country?

      The ICC is a “court of last resort”. It exercises “complimentary jurisdiction” in cases where the regular authorities are either unwilling or unable to obtain custody of suspects or conduct their own investigations and prosecutions. I don’t think there’s “a snowball’s chance in hell” that Israel, as a belligerent occupying power, will ever be able to sell the idea that it is either unwilling or unable to do any of those things. If it ever does try to accept ICC jurisdiction in Area C, it will have to accept the Court’s jurisdiction for any crime listed in the Statute that occurs in that territory, including those committed by Israelis.

  15. just
    June 16, 2014, 7:34 pm

    “CAIRO (Ma’an) — Egypt on Monday demanded that Israel to stop its raids that started after the apparent kidnapping of three teenagers in Hebron, a Ma’an reporter said.

    The spokesman of Egypt’s Foreign Ministry, Bader Abdel Aati, said in a statement that Egypt demanded that Israel “have control over itself” so the tension between the two sides would not increase and remain “under control.”

    The Egyptian statement came after Israel’s response to the kidnapping of three settlers that it would increase its security presence in the West Bank in the coming few days.”

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705303

    I wish the US would also make demands on Israel…and more than a few other choice actions.

  16. piotr
    June 16, 2014, 9:16 pm

    Netanyahu is unusually circumspect. He should also blame Hamas and Abu Mazen for slashing tires of military vehicles in Yitzhar (third in two months). And another Palestinian town should be placed under siege until such slashings cease and the Palestinian culprits step forward.

  17. Daniel Rich
    June 17, 2014, 2:13 am

    If the Apartheid State wasn’t capable of finding Gilat Shalit [yeah, right], and Ben Mileikowsky instantly knows whodunnit, well… who benefits? The peace strangling loving hawks or the b-b-b-be-bopping little chicks?

  18. NickJOCW
    June 17, 2014, 5:14 am

    The disappearance of these youngsters could well be retaliatory. So, perhaps, was the Brussels museum attack. My hunch is we will see more of this. The collapse of the so called peace negotiations was like the final fall of a man clinging by his fingertips from a roof; in an instant much that might have happened no longer could. Since then we have witnessed a series of Israeli outrages which though minimally reported in the West are extensively covered elsewhere. But the searing event was the slaughter of Nadeem Nawara and Mohammad Daher, bad enough in itself but rendered even more insidiously grotesque by the self defensive response of Israel and its supporters. This climate can inspire almost spontaneous retaliatory acts from individuals or small random groups devoid of any extended allegiance, mentally perhaps closer to those who attack a cinema audience or kids in colleges. Whoever these particular ones are the generative impetus to their actions is undoubtedly Israel’s actions.

  19. just
    June 17, 2014, 7:09 am

    “”We are turning Hamas membership into a ticket to hell,” Naftali Bennett, a far-right member of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet, told army radio on Tuesday.

    The Palestinian information ministry accused Israel of inflicting collective punishment on Palestinians in the territory. “An entire population is being held hostage to the whims of the Israeli occupation,” it said.

    On Tuesday the Israeli military said it had detained 41 Hamas militants in overnight raids, raising to more than 200 the number arrested since Friday. Israel officials acknowledged the operation was two-fold – finding the missing teenagers and weakening Hamas.

    Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who signed a unity government deal with Hamas in April, has condemned both the kidnapping and the Israeli raids.

    Giora Eiland, a retired Israeli general, said the lack of progress in finding the teens, six days after they disappeared, signalled that the chances of finding them were dwindling.

    But Eiland said the abductions had provided an opportunity to target Hamas in operations that could sabotage the new Palestinian unity government, which Israel shuns and whose formation it cited in freezing peace talks with Abbas in April.

    “The fragile links between the [Abbas-led Palestinian] Authority and Hamas could become more of a crack,” Eiland said on Israel Radio, a day after the Islamist group condemned as a “knife in the back” PA security cooperation with Israel.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/17/israeli-military-detains-40-hamas-members

    Voilà!

    Such mensches Bennett and Eiland are to reveal their motives so willingly. Does anybody think that Bennett’s: ”We are turning Hamas membership into a ticket to hell” pronouncement beats Netanyahu’s tweet about killing?

  20. Bumblebye
    June 17, 2014, 7:21 am

    Yesterday in the House of Lords, Baroness Tonge asked about recognition of the State of Palestine, and the issue of the ‘kidnap’ came up:

    “Lord Pannick (CB): My Lords, does the Minister agree that progress towards a peace settlement would be enhanced if Hamas were able to secure the release of the three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped in the West Bank last weekend? Will the Government do all they can to seek to secure that objective?

    Baroness Warsi: The Government have strongly condemned the abduction of the three Israeli youths in the West Bank. We are deeply concerned about the escalation of violence on the ground, and for the sake of both Israelis and Palestinians I hope that further escalation can be avoided. We are still trying to find details of what is happening on the ground, but of course it has led to escalation, including, tragically, the death of a Palestinian child.

    Lord Winston (Lab): My Lords, given the instability, conflict and violence in the countries that surround Israel, is it not understandable that the Israeli Government are deeply concerned about a Government who might be led by Hamas and who are committed to the destruction of Israel?

    Baroness Warsi: My Lords, we welcome the new technocratic Government, who are made up mainly of people who are not affiliated to political organisations. We are heartened by the fact that the quartet principles have been endorsed by the new technocratic Government.

    Baroness Falkner of Margravine (LD): My Lords, does my noble friend recall that over the last two years she has stood at the Dispatch Box and told the House on many occasions—I think mainly during 2013—that this year was the last chance saloon for achieving a peace process in the Middle East? Given where we find ourselves, what is the United Kingdom Government’s position on achieving a peace process now that the Americans have more or less said that there is nowhere further to go? Will the Government consider replacing the current system of the Middle East quartet envoy and so on with a fresh impetus and a completely new look at whether a two-state solution is indeed the right answer?”

    (I’m so disappointed in Robert Winston, he’s such a nice guy otherwise)

    “Lord Wright of Richmond (CB): My Lords, does the noble Baroness accept that there is virtual unanimity, and not only in this House, on the urgent need for a two-state solution to the Palestinian problem? Does she accept that the recent reconciliation agreement between Fatah and Hamas offers the Israelis a unique opportunity to work genuinely towards a two-state solution? On the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, if this story is true it is horrendous, but is the Minister aware that similar outrages are being committed daily by the Israeli Defence Forces and by the settlers themselves? This is the time to recognise Palestine as a state.

    Baroness Warsi: Of course, ultimately peace will be achieved only if there is a unified authority in the Palestinian territories to which we can speak—a unified organisation that represents both Gaza and the West Bank—as long as it abides by the quartet principles. I can stand at this Dispatch Box and give a list of things that the Israelis are alleged to have done and a list of things that the Palestinians are alleged to have done, but I am not sure whether that blame game is going to take us any further. What I am clear about is that a Palestinian life and an Israeli life are equally important. It is therefore right that what we do respects the sanctity of life, and the basic human rights that people require whether they are Israeli or Palestinian.

    Lord Bach (Lab): My Lords, is it Her Majesty’s Government’s intention to work with the new Palestinian unity Government? Presuming that it is, could the House be told what specific steps our Government are taking in that regard?

    Baroness Warsi: As I said earlier, we have recognised the technocratic Government; we feel that they provide an opportunity to take matters further. We give great credit to President Abbas, who has made sure that the technocratic Government have been set up in a way that is acceptable to the international community and are an organisation of government that we can work with. With regard to the UK’s approach, the noble Lord will of course be aware that we have been one of the biggest supporters of ensuring that a future Palestinian state is viable, not only through the work that we have been doing in establishing and supporting institutions but in relation to the humanitarian work on the ground with both financial support and expertise. We will continue to do that, because we are firmly committed to ensuring that there is a viable Palestinian state when that moment arises.

    Lord Dykes (LD): My Lords, does my noble friend agree that the biggest tragedy of all would be if these two countries did not come together and shake hands, similar to South Africa? Once that happens, they can work together to create a Near East common market, and peace will prevail for everyone.

    Baroness Warsi: I agree with my noble friend as a Foreign Office Minister but also on a personal level. As someone who has lived through this dispute for most of her life—it has formed so much of my own identity as I have grown up—there is nothing I would like more than to be in a Government who finally managed to resolve this matter.”

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201415/ldhansrd/text/140616-0001.htm#14061611000316

    • MHughes976
      June 17, 2014, 9:21 am

      All this noble Lord stuff may seem a bit medieval but having a HoL does enable us to give a parliamentary voice to people without a party affiliation, like the CB (cross-bencher) Lord Wright, a former diplomat, who seems to have made the most forthright speech, suitably free of diplomatic language. Mind you, as one who is outside the ‘virtually unanimous’ view mentioned by Wright in favour of the 2ss, I think that they are all wandering in something of a mist.

  21. just
    June 17, 2014, 8:28 am

    “2:30 P.M. Deputy Religious Affairs Minister Eli Ben-Dahan called on Israel to increase the severity of actions taken against the terrorists and put a price tag on the actions of the Hamas. Ben-Dahan added that the cabinet should approve actions that would make the lives of the terrorist’ families miserable as a method to pressure the terrorists. (Jonathan Lis)
    …..

    2:50 P.M. At the end of the three-hour security cabinet meeting Tuesday, the Israeli ministers decided to increase the military pressure on Hamas and to worsen the conditions of Hamas members held in Israeli prisons.

    A senior Israeli official told Haaretz that the mission of utmost importance right now was to return the abducted and to increase the pressure on Hamas. “The public security minister was authorized to worsen the conditions of Hamas members held in Israeli prisons,” the senior official said. “An additional cabinet meeting will be held in coming days to discuss further steps against Hamas.” ”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.599302

    Nice that they are so crystal clear about collective punishment. War crimes continue apace.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 17, 2014, 9:34 am

      Yeah, they’re not even really pretending this is about the ‘kidnapping’ anymore.

      Disgraceful, and the world sits by and frets over the precious ‘boys’ who just so happened to be out ‘hitchhiking’ on occupied land late at night.

  22. Woody Tanaka
    June 17, 2014, 9:12 am

    “Ben-Dahan added that the cabinet should approve actions that would make the lives of the terrorist’ families miserable as a method to pressure the terrorists. ”

    Then I guess he would be okay with attacks on the families of IOF members and members of the Israeli government. And how far removed from the perps are we willing to go? How about if there is someone who is Jewish in, say, South America or Europe who is “family” of the Israeli leadership, by virtue of being part of the same Jewish nation. Are they “family” enough to be targets to Ben-Dahan??

  23. just
    June 17, 2014, 9:15 am

    “Netanyahu has put on his war paint
    The premier’s one and only vision is to seize control of the territories based on an unequivocal working assumption that every Palestinian is suspect and violent.

    Let’s connect the dots, like in the children’s game, at the end of which we come up with the whole picture: Benjamin Netanyahu is warmongering. Not only in the sense of being aggressive, or uncompromising, or intransigent, but in a clearer, broader sense. Since the election, the prime minister’s behavior has been that of someone who is preparing for war.”

    rest still behind the wall: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.599102

  24. eljay
    June 17, 2014, 9:46 am

    >> rest still behind the wall: link to haaretz.com

    Here’s the rest:
    ________________________________________
    Commensurate with his belief in war, he is amassing weapons, in part through the “special means” budget, which is immune to Knesset and treasury cuts. He entered and exited from the “Kerry blueprint” talks, or the Kerry initiative, without any intention of concluding an agreement – as he effectively declared when he demanded that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

    Netanyahu believes the Palestinians are bloodthirsty. He said so almost explicitly in his shameful prime-time speech, when it became clear to the public that the three young yeshiva students had been kidnapped last Thursday.

    In practice, the Palestinians have surrendered. They have accepted occupation, loss of freedom, construction in the territories, exploitation of their resources, restrictions on movement, territorial compromise. They were vanquished with the aid of Israel’s military and economic might. Their turn to terrorism was a serious mistake. Violent protest is a serious mistake. Only negotiations and diplomatic activity will save the Palestinian people. But from time to time, there is an outburst of murderousness and brutal violence. In one such outburst, the three yeshiva students who were hitchhiking, were kidnapped.

    Netanyahu’s expectation is that no settler in the territories will ever be harmed by any action resulting from Palestinian behavior. But to achieve that state of affairs he has to conduct negotiations. The key lies in an agreement with the Palestinian Authority, not in divide and rule.

    But in prime time on Saturday, with the families of the youngsters in anguish, Benjamin Netanyahu took advantage of the moment to daub himself with war paint. Behold the man who is amassing weapons, ignores the rules of diplomacy, and whose one and only vision is to seize control of the territories of the PA based on an unequivocal working assumption that every Palestinian is suspect and violent. That is his vision.

    And when the situation on the ground is terrible enough to seemingly confirm his preconceived notions, he positions himself in front of the cameras in order to say “I told you so” – to justify in retrospect his prophecy that there is no point in arriving at a framework for a final-status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.

    The settlements are an obstacle to peace. The settlements are a thorn in our side. The settlements are an act of plunder. And the settlements – Mr. Naftali Bennett, take note – are military camps in civilian disguise. Without Palestinian agreement to accept them – or their evacuation – the Palestinians’ suffering will continue. As will their resistance to the occupation. It is to be hoped that this will take a diplomatic and not a violent form, like the kidnapping last week (which does not have Abbas’ backing in an way). But suffering always engenders resistance.

    It’s here that the danger inherent in Netanyahu’s speech lies. It’s dangerous not for the Palestinians – whom Bennett has already told “not to get mixed up” in his debased, violent language, which is ignorant of statesmanship, forbearance and human rights. Netanyahu’s speech is dangerous mainly for Israel.

    Now it’s not rockets that justify aerial bombing, but the souls of three youngsters who attend yeshivas in the West Bank. Now it’s not only the Palestinians who in 2014 remain imprisoned in the Gaza Strip, and the Hamas government that represents them. Now all the Palestinians can look forward to collective punishment – which Netanyahu believes they deserve in any event, both because of their intrinsic character and their opposition to his settlements.

    These are the words he should have begun his remarks with: “I have just spoken to Mahmoud Abbas.” But those are not the words he chose to utter.

    • just
      June 17, 2014, 9:59 am

      Thanks, eljay.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 17, 2014, 10:18 am

      ”Now it’s not rockets that justify aerial bombing, but the souls of three youngsters who attend yeshivas in the West Bank. ”

      LOL! Is As’ad Abu Khalil reading this? One of his recurring themes is mocking those who fret over the ‘sourl’ of Israel or the ‘anguish’ of the occupation soldiers.

      These sacred students were attending school – and one would wonder as to its curriculum, given where it is sited – on stolen land. They then decided to ‘hitch hike’ late at night. Any number of things could have happened to them. I’m sure Israeli teenagers go missing in Israel ‘proper’ from time to time, as they do elsewehre in the world. Are Israelis glued to their TVs fretting over their ‘souls’ when this happens, or do they only care when they suspect – with no proof – that they were nabbed by hateful Arabs?

  25. NickJOCW
    June 17, 2014, 10:37 am

    Since Israel is increasingly disliked (I employ the word euphemistically) worldwide, it is possible the disappearance of these young men was the work of a group other than Palestinians. For a nation to shoot two innocent teenagers in cold blood was an offence against humanity and then the attempt to wriggle out of responsibility added insult to injury. Retaliatory vengeance could come from almost anywhere, not just the muslim world.

  26. Daniel Rich
    June 17, 2014, 7:03 pm

    For the record: I may be very suspicious about what is going on, but that doesn’t mean I lost hope these kids resurface unscathed.

    Pawns make up the majority of chess pieces, but they’re never used to ensure peace, just offered to be [hopefully] victorious…

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