‘Children killed in their sleep’: Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20

Israel/Palestine
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A child in the aftermath of the Israeli attack on an UNRWA school. (Photo: Reuters and EPA)

A child in the aftermath of the Israeli attack on an UNRWA school. (Photo: Reuters and EPA)

Israeli military fire hit a United Nations-run school in Gaza today, killing at least 20 people and injuring an estimated 90 people. The school under attack, called the Abu Hussein girls’ elementary school, is located in the densely-populated Jabaliya refugee camp.

The United Nations Relief Works and Agency (UNRWA), the group that serves Palestinian refugees, issued a stern statement placing the blame for the attack on the Israeli army.

Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced,” said UNRWA Secretary General Pierre Krähenbühl. “We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge.” 

Krähenbühl added that the Israeli attack violated international law, and that UNRWA had informed Israel of the location of the school 17 times. The Palestinians who were sheltering there had been told by the Israeli military to flee their Gaza neighborhoods, only to be hit by Israeli shells at the place they thought would be safe. An estimated 240,000 displaced Palestinians are being sheltered in UNRWA facilities. 

Israeli army spokespeople claim that Palestinian fighters fired from near the school–a claim they have frequently made when confronted by their attacks on civilians.

It was the second time in two weeks that an attack on a UN school caused deaths. Israel denies it hit the UN school in Beit Hanoun it bombarded last week, though Gaza-based journalists like The Daily Beast’s Jesse Rosenfeld have cast doubt on those claims, writing that the evidence appears to indicate Israeli fire hitting the area. The attack killed 16 people. UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness said last week that three other UNRWA installations had been fired on by Israel, injuring five Palestinians in one incident.

UNRWA has also had to contend with Palestinian rockets being stored in schools that were abandoned. But there is no evidence that the schools hit by Israeli fire have rockets in them.

The attack on the UNRWA school in Jabaliya came after another night of heavy Israeli bombardment. The Gaza Ministry of Health said that over 70 Palestinians were killed since midnight. That brings the death toll to well over 1,200 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians.

Israel declared what it called a “humanitarian window” for four hours today–but also said it would continue to operate militarily in areas where soldiers were already firing. Hamas called it a declaration meant for the media and did not halt its fire. Israeli shells killed at least five Palestinians during the “humanitarian window, Ma’an News Agency reported. And another Israeli attack on a market in the Gaza neighborhood of Shuja’iyeh killed at least 15 people.

247 Responses

  1. seafoid
    July 30, 2014, 11:43 am

    Pierre Krähenbühl @PKraehenbuehl

    “This is 6th time one of our @UNRWA schools has been struck. Our staff leading int’l response are being killed. This is a breaking point”

    The UNRWA statement is worth reading in full

    link to unrwa.org

    “The United Nations Relief and Works Agency has strongly condemned an Israeli strike on a UN school being used as a shelter in the Jabaliya refugee camp, which killed at least 19 people and injured 90.

    The agency appeared hit out at a lack of international action to end the violence with the words: “[T]his is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgracedToday the world stands disgraced.”

    In a statement UNRWA Commissioner-General, Pierre Krähenbühl said: “I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage.”

    Here is the statement in full:

    Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced.

    We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge. We believe there were at least three impacts. It is too early to give a confirmed official death toll. But we know that there were multiple civilian deaths and injuries including of women and children and the UNRWA guard who was trying to protect the site. These are people who were instructed to leave their homes by the Israeli army.

    The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection; the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.

    I condemn in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by Israeli forces.

    This is the sixth time that one of our schools has been struck. Our staff, the very people leading the humanitarian response are being killed. Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue.We are in the realm of accountability. I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage

    We have moved beyond the realm of humanitarian action alone. .”

    • kma
      July 30, 2014, 1:39 pm

      thanks, seafoid. the video of AlJazeera’s interview with UNRWA posted to AJ’s Gaza Live Blog cannot be played in the US, according to my web browser. (Huh??)
      maybe that’s because the UN blamed Israel this time while the MSM is playing the lie that the schools weren’t hit by Israel ?

      • concernedhuman
        July 30, 2014, 2:35 pm

        Thats interesting !!

        What American supports ” free speech” in other countries like North Korea, does not want to support it in USA for israel.
        Hypocrisy of US knows no bounds.
        Thats because US Congressmen are against UNHRC doing an inquiry in to israeli war crimes …

    • Walid
      July 31, 2014, 1:49 am

      Yesterday, the utterly useless sec-gen also chimed in with his declaration that the attack was “unjustifiable” and “reprehensible” that demanded “accountability and justice”.

      Empty words especially after his idiotic remarks of a few days earlier about Hamas having stored munitions in a vacant UNRWA school that gave Israel carte blanche to bomb the schools.

      • Hostage
        July 31, 2014, 7:47 am

        Empty words especially after his idiotic remarks of a few days earlier about Hamas having stored munitions in a vacant UNRWA school that gave Israel carte blanche to bomb the schools.

        What goes around comes around. Despite the fact that the UNRWA has transmitted the location of its facilities to the IDF on 17 occasions, all it took was a fake UNRWA sign on a booby-trapped building to trigger an IDF attack that resulted in three IDF members killed and fifteen wounded. link to jewishpress.com

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 8:06 am

        wow.

        that should be worth examining.

  2. donalds
    July 30, 2014, 11:47 am

    The Real Name of this War on Terror, Violence, Unrest, Injustice, Poverty, Drugs, Addiction and Crime is called CORRUPTION.

    Plain and simple.

    Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (Global Think Tank) ~ “Corruption: The Unrecognized Threat to International Security” – link to m.ceip.org

    Our world leaders need to officially ‘recognize’ and Declare it for what it is.

    “The War on Corruption”.

    And Turn the Page of History.

    Wherever you are in the World, in your own jursidictions and capacity, you can do something, anything, just one thing.

    And make a differcence.

  3. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 12:04 pm

    I watched an outraged UN official confirm this. I heard the despair in his voice. I am disgusted that I do not hear ANY outrage from my country, or the deserving condemnation for this brutal slaughter. ENOUGH of the war criminals showing up in the MSM and blaming this again on the Palestinians. Enough.

    Those who kill and responsible are the ones that pull the trigger/push the buttons.

    This is the big fat bully hurting others and whining someone else made him do it.
    Sick of the lies.

    If militants were among Israeli people, in their homes or civilians structures would the damn IDF shoot so carelessly and show the same indifference?
    Stop blaming others, and take the blame, cowards.

    • Blownaway
      July 30, 2014, 7:52 pm

      Don’t worry the US is doing something. They are re supplying Israel with more ammo so they can continue killing Palestinian children. By Israeli thinking they are helping Hamas create more casualties

  4. Walid
    July 30, 2014, 12:06 pm

    A new massacre happened half an hour ago, 16 dead in a shelling of a heavily trafficked street of Shujaiah. Being shown on Mayadeen now, with bodies strewn all over the ground.

    Iran has threatened to do something about Gaza.

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2014, 12:12 pm

      There is no ending to the brutality of the Israelis.

      This is genocide, ethnic cleansing, slaughter of innocents, massacre of civilians, it can be called so many things, YET the world does NOTHING, and the US keeps supporting the mass murderer, with no condemnation, or stern actions against Israel.

      Charles Schumer, Graham, and others who keep justifying this massacre, is really doing the work of the Devil.

      • elephantine
        July 30, 2014, 4:48 pm

        A quote from The Guardian:

        “Support for the military operation among the Israeli public remained solid. A poll published by Tel Aviv university this week found 95% of Israeli Jews felt the offensive was justified. Only 4% believed too much force had been used.”

        And there you have it. Despicable.

      • Shingo
        July 30, 2014, 8:15 pm

        It gets worse. U.S. resupplies Israel with munitions as Gaza offensive rages

        Fascinating that the article seems to have bee taken off line

      • just
        July 30, 2014, 8:22 pm

        edit:

        here, Shingo:

        “(Reuters) – The United States has allowed Israel, waging an offensive in the Gaza Strip, to tap a local U.S. arms stockpile in the past week to resupply it with grenades and mortar rounds, a U.S. defense official said on Thursday.

        The munitions were located inside Israel as part of a program managed by the U.S. military and called War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I), which stores munitions locally for U.S. use that Israel can also access in emergency situations.

        Israel, however, did not cite an emergency when it made its latest request about 10 days ago, the defense official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

        The United States allowed Israel to access the strategic stockpile anyway to resupply itself with 40mm grenades and 120mm mortar rounds to deplete older stocks that would eventually need to be refreshed.

        “They didn’t ask for it from there but we gave it to them so we could rotate our stocks,” the official said.

        Additional Israeli requests for U.S.-manufactured ammunition were also being processed in the United States, the official said. The official did not offer further details on quantities or costs of ammunition already supplied or requested.

        Israel’s embassy in Washington declined comment about the resupply request, including whether it asked for the ammunition because of its operations in Gaza.

        Separately, U.S. lawmakers were working in Congress to provide millions of dollars in additional funding for Israel’s “Iron Dome” missile shield.”

        more: link to reuters.com

      • Shingo
        July 30, 2014, 9:35 pm

        I heard wolf crowing about it, though.

        Fortunately, it’s already been copied by other blogs.

        link to zeenews.india.com

        link to ka25.in

      • Citizen
        July 31, 2014, 4:46 am

        It’s available. Here’s another article on the subject: link to abcnews.go.com

        I don’t understand why the article refers to a “sale” of ammo and mortars etc from the $1B stockpile in Israel since the article simultaneously says Israel only pays for upkeep of storage. I also wonder if we do this with any other country. Also, it seems Israel did not request the munitions as a matter of imminent self-defense, the condition to Israel using the munitions–rather the US says no approval was needed because it was a mere matter of rotating shelf life of the munitions. And that started at the dawn of Bibi’s offensive against HAMAS very early this month. Nice, using up US spare ammo shells on little brown non-Jews born under Israeli control.

      • Hostage
        July 31, 2014, 8:00 am

        Oh what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive:

        The munitions were located inside Israel as part of a program managed by the U.S. military and called War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I), which stores munitions locally for U.S. use that Israel can also access in emergency situations.

        What on Earth is the USA going to use these weapons for “locally”? And do we even have a treaty or status of forces agreement that will allow us to access them when required? One of the reasons the Iranian hostage rescue mission used an abandoned Russian air base in Egypt was that our other allies (cough, cough) wouldn’t let the US fly through their airspace or use their military bases for staging or refueling operations, but Sadat would.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 8:12 am

        Is Israel our official ally by treaty?

        This should make every American vomit most violently.

        The way I heard it on cnn, the US ‘gave permission’ to Israel to access the stockpile– wolf was clearly pleased.

        “What on Earth is the USA going to use these weapons for “locally”? ”

        a really important question that deserves an immediate answer, and one that is well worth pondering.

      • Kay24
        July 31, 2014, 9:07 am

        It doesn’t matter if it is nearing expiry dates or not. Is that a reason to keep giving KILLERS more ammunition to massacre even more civilians.
        I am sick of the damn lies, and the hypocritical condemnation by the US.
        If they want to stop this carnage they can, very easily. Stop giving the damn weapons, and stop aiding the evil empire.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 9:23 am

        Does that “stockpile” include the nukes that Israel refuses to declare?

        Or the switches that Netanyahu ‘stole’?

      • Hostage
        July 31, 2014, 10:03 pm

        Does that “stockpile” include the nukes that Israel refuses to declare?

        Or the switches that Netanyahu ‘stole’?

        No, but the USAF has started transporting our nukes around from place to place by accident more often than it does on purpose (and it had always had more than its fair share of accidents and close calls in the past). So it would not come as a complete surprise, if a few nukes ever went missing, that they might end-up there.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 12:39 am

        What on Earth is the USA going to use these weapons for “locally”? and do we even have a treaty or status of forces agreement that will allow us to access them when required?

        I have often wondered that too Hostage. When has the US ever pulled into an Israel port or landing strip to load up on bombs.

        Back in 2009, it was reported that the US sent a massive shipment of arms to Israel – 3,000 tons of ammunition. It was not for Cast Lead as Cast Lead had already begun , but no explanation was given other than the claim it was not for Israel.
        link to globalresearch.ca

    • Walid
      July 30, 2014, 12:17 pm

      The Iranian that issued the threat was Qassem Suleimani, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Quds Force.

      • Walid
        July 30, 2014, 12:25 pm

        BTW, those 16 dead in the massacre that just happened on Shujaiah did so during the cease fire. In the first 10 minutes of the cease-fire, Israel killed 4 people.

      • can of worms
        July 30, 2014, 11:03 pm

        As it is actively supplying the weapons, the United States is an accomplice to the war crimes (Gazacide)

        This is manifestly a green light for continuing the ‘war’ against the Palestinian people (a war not against Hamas but against the very existence of the people), and it puts the lie to the US calls for a ceasefire

      • can of worms
        July 30, 2014, 8:51 pm

        “We gave it to them so we could rotate our stocks,” as the U.S. defense official said.
        — So it’s not for any reason of either strategy, policy or ideology that the U.S. is supplying Israel with munitions to massacre Gaza. I mean they’ll have to deplete the old stocks at some point in any case, right? How fortunate, after the Gazacide is over, they’ll be able to refurbish the stock with newer stuff.

    • Justpassingby
      July 30, 2014, 12:39 pm

      This is is a genocide, enough now! There is sick people in israeli regime loving to kill people. Lets be frank!

  5. Boomer
    July 30, 2014, 12:09 pm

    We can infer that this is consistent with United States policy. This is so, because U.S. law prohibits export of weapons for aggression, terrorism, genocide, and crimes against humanity. The State Department must approve export of weapons, and the President is empowered to determine whether U.S. made weapons are being used or likely be used for legitimate self defense, and must report to Congress if he believes such is not the case.

    The humane and moral response to Israel’s actions, and the response that would be in the best interest of the United States, would be for Mr. Obama to ban export of weapons to Israel and to demand that the Security Council ban the export of weapons to Israel by any country. Israel already has plenty of weapons for its legitimate self-defense.

    Excerpt from Wikipedia:

    “The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (Title II of Pub.L. 94–329, 90 Stat. 729, enacted June 30, 1976, codified at 22 U.S.C. ch. 39) gives the President of the United States the authority to control the import and export of defense articles and defense services. It requires governments that receive weapons from the United States to use them for legitimate self-defense. Consideration is given as to whether the exports “would contribute to an arms race, aid in the development of weapons of mass destruction, support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict, or prejudice the development of bilateral or multilateral arms control or nonproliferation agreements or other arrangements.”

    from: link to en.wikipedia.org

    • heartfelt
      July 30, 2014, 11:05 pm

      Who works in these factories making these extremely expensive military weapons of every imaginable shape and form? Much more importantly, who are the profiteers.

      Does anyone know if there’s any good airials of the gaza. How about cams?

      When I saw the documentary called “The Wall” it utterly blew my mind.

      I would like to see more like this being shown to the world. It would be very powerful to document the area from an aerial view, including the wall and the population densities in Gaza compared to Israel. Gaza is about 10,000 people per square mile while Israel is about 900.

      This is the saddest time on earth. We have so much potential to living harmonious and creative lives here on planet earth, but there are prevailing powers that have prevented this.

      This is an absolute turning point for the world as we’ve known it. The war kings are showing their true colors, so it will be obvious to enough enlightened human beings to recognize the truth and re-organize their lives for a completely different paradigm. Immediately dismantle the weapons industries and re-allocate the funds to things that are beneficial, cultivating good will within that extends outward. We are now creating a paradigm of cooperation and love for diversity of individuals and how they feel, think, believe, create and live. Each person unique. No one is spiritually superior.

      I think we all need some education on the word “Zionist”, it has within it such a complex mix of meanings.

  6. Qualtrough
    July 30, 2014, 12:09 pm

    News now that the Israelis have just managed to kill 15 at a market. It should be clear to all now that they will just fire wherever they want.

  7. michelle
    July 30, 2014, 12:10 pm

    .
    seems like
    Israel has declared war on the world
    in so much as any and all who get in
    their way are considered terrorists
    .
    when a parent dies the child loses half of ‘his’ universe
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  8. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 12:15 pm

    CNN Reporter says the UN has stated that Israel knew there were around 3000 refugees in that shelter, which makes them mass murderers, and that they chose to bomb it in the morning during morning prayers. This is deliberate guys, and too many of these shelters have been targeted.

    God’s chosen showing their evil side again.

    • Walid
      July 30, 2014, 12:35 pm

      The first big massacre at a UN compound at Qana was in 1996 when Shimon Peres had it shelled killing over 100 civilians huddled there in what they thought was a safe shelter.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 2:13 pm

        For the aggressor, whether it is a Palestinian life in a home in Gaza, a school or even a UN compound sheltering civilians, it is all the same. Nothing will stop the massacre, and they will send their deadly weapons anywhere they please, lie and then ignore the condemnation. The US will then do the same.

    • Marnie
      July 30, 2014, 2:29 pm

      Kay24 – that’s the only side they have. It’s easy to win this game when your side has all the toys. If there ever was a leveling of this playing field, the IDF would run home screaming for their mothers.

  9. Jenin Younes
    July 30, 2014, 12:16 pm

    sick, sick, and even worse to hear supposedly intelligent people continue to justify this

  10. Justpassingby
    July 30, 2014, 12:37 pm

    BREAKING NEW: Another 20 people killed when israel bomb market.

  11. Qualtrough
    July 30, 2014, 12:55 pm

    Once or twice might be a mistake, but six times I think not. I think the UNRWA should stop giving the Zionist butchers the coordinates because it seems likely they are using those to target the facilities, not to avoid them.

  12. a blah chick
    July 30, 2014, 12:57 pm

    Apparently there is an IDF spokesman called Turgeman. Wasn’t he a character in Dr. Strangelove?

  13. marc b.
    July 30, 2014, 1:04 pm

    I had the misfortune of watching Fox News earlier today while waiting for my lunch. nauseating stuff. the host and guest were approvingly quoting Bret Stephens of WSJ re: his doubt of the veracity of the Gaza casualty statistics. another example of hasbara refusal to acknowledge the destruction wrought. the Gazans are effectively invisible, incapable of being photographed or accounted for. bizarre, bizarre occultic behavior on the part of the deniers.

  14. Walid
    July 30, 2014, 1:45 pm

    Shajaiyah street massacre of a few hours back is up to 17 dead and 200 injured. Blood and body parts all over the place.

    • Shingo
      July 30, 2014, 6:43 pm

      And those sick, a cowardly inbreds in Egypt are doing nothing. Not a whimper of protest, no offer to open the Rafah crossing for those escaping being murdered.

      The entire Sunni world is sitting on it’s hands doing nothing. A pox on humanity.

      Egypt is 100% complicit in the murder of the people in Gaza. Maybe Lieberman was into something when he mentioned bombing the Aswan Dam.

      • Kay24
        July 31, 2014, 9:09 am

        Closing those borders were in return for all that aid Mubarak enjoyed.
        Now Sisi is Israel’s man, and chances are he will never go against them.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 2:32 pm

        “And those sick, a cowardly inbreds in Egypt are doing nothing.”

        Shingo, you’re surely better than this. Your post sounds positively bigoted.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 12:14 am

        Shingo, you’re surely better than this.

        No I stand behind what I said. Go back and read what Walid described so eloquently. How else do you describe Egypt’s complicity in this carnage?

        Look, for decades I have been making excuses for the Arab world and justifying their screw ups, their bad choices, their propensity to shoot themselves in the foot and stab each other in the back. They’ve been at it for centuries and it’s only getting worse. Look back to the betrayal like the Faizsl-Weizmann agreement and look at the situation today. Nothing has changed.

        Until recently, I used to grimace every time I heard Palestinian supporters criticizing the
        Arab world for turning their backs on thePalestinians, even when the wonderful Walid made this observation, or someone like George Galloway.

        With the exception of Hezbollah and Iran, the Arab world is silent or supporting Israel’s sadism. If they could put aside their greed, vanity, power struggles and petty disputes, the US and Israel would be powerless against a united Arab world.

        Recently here is Australia, we’ve been privy to a perfect example of the cynical exploitation of this conflict by the Arab states. When the government recently proposed that Australia would begin referring to East Jerusalem as “disputed” rather than occupied, 18 Arab States got in their soap box and threatened to boycott Australian exports.

        It was a storm in a teacup and nothing more than an exercise in pushing their weight around without any risk. Australia is a lightweight. No one cares what Australia has to say on the matter, nor do they have anything to fear from confrontation.

        Fast forward to the far more severe outrage in Gaza and not one of those 18 states have lifted a finger.

        If anything, my descriptions of the Arab are lenient.

      • Hostage
        August 1, 2014, 2:39 pm

        Look back to the betrayal like the Faizsl-Weizmann agreement and look at the situation today.

        You have to read things into the Faisal-Weizmann agreement that aren’t really there to call it a betrayal, since the borders of the Jewish national home were supposed to be determined by a boundary commission and there were absolute safeguards for the fellahin cultivators. The borders could have been drawn around the existing Jewish communities without violating anyone’s rights. The reason it never enter into force is because the promises regarding Arab independence, including Palestine’s, weren’t fulfilled. The British tried to conclude a treaty with King Husein for several years after the war, but he refused to recognize the British and Zionist position in the government of Palestine. The evidence is unequivocal that he only agreed to Sykes-Picot on the condition that British and French advisors would have no executive authority whatsoever.

  15. HarryLaw
    July 30, 2014, 2:27 pm

    What would happen if Hamas started moving some of their small Qassam rockets through those tunnels and launched them [with suitable warnings] at Israels vital hub for commerce and tourism Ben Gurion Airport, the economy would be trashed. Speigal online met with a small team of Qassam rocket makers in Gaza , they could make 100 rockets per shift link to spiegel.de These rockets were so simple to make the production could be moved to any small garage or someones kitchen in or around Tel Aviv with a flight time of only several seconds impossible to stop,and could bring the airport to a permanent closure. God forbid that happens, but others might say that would be a legal belligerent reprisal for an earlier war crime perpetrated by Israel deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. See link to normanfinkelstein.com

  16. seafoid
    July 30, 2014, 2:52 pm

    link to theguardian.com

    “United Nations officials described the killing of sleeping children as a disgrace to the world and accused Israel of a serious violation of international law after a school in Gaza being used to shelter Palestinian families was shelled on Wednesday.

    At least 15 people, mostly children and women, died when the school in Jabaliya refugee camp was hit by five shells during a night of relentless bombardment across Gaza. More than 100 people were injured.

    Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, said the attack was “outrageous and unjustifiable” and demanded “accountability and justice”. The UN said its officials had repeatedly given details of the school and its refugee population to Israel.
    Palestinians fled their homes after Israel warned that failure to do so would put their lives at risk. Those at the Jabaliya school were among more than 200,000 who have sought shelter at UN premises in the belief that families would be safe.

    Analysis of evidence gathered at the site by UNRWA led to an initial assessment that Israeli artillery had hit the school, causing “multiple civilian deaths and injuries including of women and children and the UNRWA guard who was trying to protect the site. These are people who were instructed to leave their homes by the Israeli army.”

    Krahenbuhl added: “Our staff, the very people leading the humanitarian response, are being killed. Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue.”

  17. seafoid
    July 30, 2014, 3:00 pm

    Hatikva – the hope of the return to Zion

    The reality of Hatikva

    UNRWA spokesman breaks down explaining what Zionism is doing to Gaza

    J Street signs off the butchery
    link to jstreet.org

    • Mooser
      July 30, 2014, 3:18 pm

      “Hatikva – the hope of the return to Zion”

      Gosh, when I hear Hatikvah, and think of Jews “being powerful” I get such an excitement! Zetz, goes the strings of my heart.

      • seafoid
        July 30, 2014, 3:42 pm

        It’s basically Jews with guns, Mooser
        And no gun control.

        95% of them think the killing in Gaza is justified
        link to twitter.com
        Tikvaless.

    • Bumblebye
      July 30, 2014, 4:09 pm

      Israel is at war against the UN in Gaza too. Don’t forget how ‘anti-semitic’ they say it is. It must be sheer hell to try to work in that situation, and find your shelters, your people, just as much targets as the Palestinian civilians. Am so glad he had someone to comfort him.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 5:36 pm

        There is no doubt there is some hostility and hatred for the UN. Why else should 6 shelters get hit? If people are not safe there, then there is no hope for them. The US does not have the decency to strongly condemn Israel for these atrocities, and war crimes.

      • American
        July 30, 2014, 6:40 pm

        Dr. Bashir al-Hajjar, Professor of Nursing @ Islamic University of #Gaza, was killed in attack on UNRWA car today
        pic.twitter.com/Rw80gHy49t

        Israel targets everything.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 31, 2014, 5:09 am

        @ Bumblebye,

        Q: Israel is at war against the UN in Gaza too.

        R: Remember when they killed four UNTSO unarmed observers (Austrian, Canadian, Chinese and Finnish) during the 2006 Lebanon ‘war?’.

    • elephantine
      July 30, 2014, 4:55 pm

      Heartbreaking.

    • Bumblebye
      July 30, 2014, 8:11 pm

      The video seems to have been removed now. By the user.

  18. Mooser
    July 30, 2014, 3:05 pm

    Gosh, is that thunder I hear? No, it’s just another ‘strike’ at “Hophmi’s Bowling Lanes” (See the Guernica thread).
    Set ’em up again Hophmi!!!
    And you know what, it doesn’t even matter if you don’t put them back in the same spots (he never does, of course), they get knocked over all the same.

  19. concernedhuman
    July 30, 2014, 3:32 pm

    Graphics showing where attacks are taking place.
    link to spiegel.de

  20. just
    July 30, 2014, 3:56 pm

    This is beyond cruel. Slaughtering innocents while they sleep.

    Has anyone had enough? I have. I have had enough of Israel’s lies and my country’s complicity. It seems that nobody in this government has any shame at all. All day long the world powers in the US blames Vladamir Putin for junk that WE stirred up. Garbage in, garbage out. FUBAR again. SSDD.

    “A group of Spain’s biggest film personalities, including Penélope Cruz, Pedro Almodóvar and Javier Bardem, have written an open letter in a Spanish newspaper denouncing Israel’s bombing of Gaza.

    The letter calls for the EU to “condemn the bombing by land, sea and air against the Palestinian civilian population in the Gaza Strip… Gaza is living through horror these days, besieged and attacked by land, sea and air. Palestinians’ homes are being destroyed, they are being denied water, electricity [and] free movement to their hospitals, schools and fields while the international community does nothing.”

    They lamented the “physical, moral, psychological” effect that the attacks are having on the people of Gaza, and also called for an end to the Israeli blockade that restricts what can be taken across the Gaza border.

    It’s one of the most strident messages from any global cultural figure regarding the current conflict. During the Jerusalem film festival, a group of Israeli film-makers recently wrote a statement that was actually less partisan than the Spanish collective, saying: “A dialogue must be established, an acknowledgment of the suffering of the other. Today, we want to direct those cameras to the suffering of Gaza residents, men, women and children killed during the last few days.”

    Javier Bardem, who is married to Cruz, has been outspoken elsewhere in the Spanish media about the conflict. In an op-ed for the newspaper El Diario, he characterised the war as one of “occupation and extermination against a people without means, confined to a minimum of land, without water and where hospitals, ambulances and children are targets and alleged terrorists… In the horror happening right now in Gaza there is no place for distance or neutrality… I cannot understand this barbarism, even more brutal and incomprehensible considering all of the horrible things the Jewish people have gone through in the past.””

    link to theguardian.com

    Can any American politician spell or say g.e.n.o.c.i.d.e.?

    (Nice to see Hala Gorani again…..)

  21. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 4:01 pm

    Netanyahu’s popularity may have soared among the blood thirsty, but he has been unable to break up the unity government, and he has united the Christians and Muslims and they support each other during this time of this horrible massacre.
    Apart from the US, the majority in the world will also join together (like they did during the Palestinian bid for state hood at the UN) and Israel will be isolated only with the US holding it’s hand. Unfortunately Israel is dragging us down too.

    link to middleeasteye.net

    • Citizen
      July 31, 2014, 5:07 am

      Joan Rivers, Jon Voight, Nancy Pelosi, Don Imus, Krauthammer, The Five, Howard Stern, Bill Maher–the list goes on, poor widdle Israel is only defending itself from those horrid little brown non-Jewish kids who happened to be born onto land controlled by Israel. Israel just called up another 16,000 IDF reserves. 2ooo US Jewish American “one soldier” youth are now fighting those babies and kids in Gaza. Brits only have 100 doing this duty.

  22. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 4:05 pm

    How’s this for a murky condemnation for Israel from the WH spokesperson:

    The US has condemned the strike on the UN shelter (naming no names) and for the hiding of weapons in some schools (again no names).

    The UN has openly stated they blame Israel for these bloody strikes on UN shelters,
    yet the US walks on egg shells….so how can we blame our dear ally, after all it may have used OUR weapons during this massacre too.
    What a cowardly condemnation.

    LATEST:ISRAEL ASKS THE US FOR MORE AMMUNITION. WHAT THE HELL?

    • just
      July 30, 2014, 4:10 pm

      Israel and the US have lost and are lost.

      btw– we (the US) have weapons ‘stockpiled’ in Israel and have given them the ‘green light’ to use them!!!!!!!!!

      F^%$$##@@!!(+!

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 4:16 pm

        Then all this pretense at showing “concern” for the slaughtering of civilians is nothing but the usual US hypocrisy. We are cheerfully handing out the weapons for the slaughter to continue.

        And we condemn Russia for it’s crimes in Ukraine, what a big joke.
        We have not leg to stand on, Israel is our shame and we are complicit in their crimes too.

      • Citizen
        July 30, 2014, 8:59 pm

        The US has over $1 Billion military arms storage in Israel. US Congress has just given the green light for Israel to use those arms to replace those spent on killing Palestinan kids, women, geezers. It hasn’t made the US main media news. Simultaneously, Obama has come out dissing Israel’s murder of Palestinian kids seeking refuge in UN hospital.

  23. Mooser
    July 30, 2014, 4:09 pm

    I just don’t know how we can draw any conclusions about this until we here from Hophmi and Dabakr on “The 5 ways Gaza is, like, completely different from Guernica”

    • DaBakr
      July 30, 2014, 6:19 pm

      look moos-your not an expert on art so I’ll give you some slack. Gaza is far worse then Guernica in many ways. Too many to list. Other then the twisted propaganda war which seems to elicit equally indignant and horrified and shocked responsed from both pro and anti-Zionist commenters there is nothing remotely funny about the physical conflict going on right now. Just like you believe every word utters by a Zionist os some kind of convoluted justification for evil so do the Israelis feel many in the world like MW use language to twist what is to them the most obvious of inarguable facts into a moral dilemma that focus’s on one party because the death toll is ‘uneven’. And even that wouldn’t be as much of an issue if it wasn’t presented as the ultimate goal-not the unavoidable consequence of the difficulty in detroying command and control bunkers deep underground.
      But if you put all of that aside and look at what its like in Gaza….it is far worse then the vision Guernica presents and -as I said before-the dead donkey similarity is tenuous at best. I’m not sure an artist could capture the level of despair, horror and destruction in the over- crowded neighborhoods in Gaza. But then photography pretty much overtook modern painting especially in covering war many years ago. Credit Brady in the US Civil War, the Rape of Nanking and VietNam phot-journ’s. Humans older then 50 have seen every horror ever committed in war and still-there it is-in dozens of pockets all over the globe. I understand you have chosen to focus singularly on Israel and ignore the unimaginable atrocities taking place in dozens of other Muslim, African, Arab and Asian countries. This is your absolute right.

    • Citizen
      July 31, 2014, 5:10 am

      Yeah, where’s our Picasso? Munching kosher stuff at Harry’s Place?

  24. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 4:18 pm

    Anyone who is interested in signing this petition by Amnesty Int., asking the US to stop arming Israel, please go ahead:

    link to campaigns.amnesty.org

  25. joer
    July 30, 2014, 4:35 pm

    The First Lady made a personal appeal for the safety of the 200 Nigerian school girls. Would it kill her to do the same for the million kids held captive in Gaza?

  26. HarryLaw
    July 30, 2014, 4:44 pm

    Israel was founded through violence, it only continues through violence, it has no intention of stopping its violence until it has achieved its political aims in the “Land of Israel”. It would appear Saudi Arabia and Egypt are just as complicit in this as the United States link to huffingtonpost.com all three want to deal a blow to Hamas. The Palestinians only have Hezbollah, Syria and Iran on their side, the rest of the Arab world, or at least its leaders, don’t seem to care. Even so Israel is extremely vulnerable to 4GW, and with the assistance of the Shia crescent including Iraq, has no long term future, unless it complies with International Law and gets back behind the green line.

    • just
      July 30, 2014, 6:03 pm

      Harry, you make much sense.

      BUT, all of the folks that believe this has to do with religion/sectarian strife are full of it. This is about stupid humans using religion as an excuse for their differences and for gaining power, riches (including property) over others.

      I really am sick to death of the lying of Israel and the enabling of same by the US.

      (I am glad that the UN has finally grown a spine and that Karl Penhaul tells the truth)

      Israel is a rogue & terrorist state (among other identifiers) with an undisciplined IOF, IAF and Police. Lerner is quite sotto voce right now.

    • Walid
      July 31, 2014, 3:12 am

      ” It would appear Saudi Arabia and Egypt are just as complicit in this as the United States…”

      Harry, this is a replay of the 2006 war on Hizbullah that started with an abduction and was prodded along by the US and Gulf rulers that wanted Shia Hizbullah annihilated. A million Shia were forced to flee from their homes but in their case, they were able to flee to central and north Lebanon as well as to Syria. Gazans are not given that luxury as Egypt is holding them down while Israel butchers them.

      Most amazing is how one can’t find a single person in Gaza that wants Hamas to give up the fight. With each successive massacre, Gazans are becoming more adamant in not wanting Hamas to quit.

      In my black thoughts, I keep thinking that maybe Israel is baiting Hizbullah and Iran to jump in to have the rest of the world rush to save its ass and thereby destroy Hizbullah and Iran for it. I think that the probability of this happening is fast approaching as both Hizbullah and Iran have declared that they would not let Gaza fall, and everyone knows that the Sayyid does not make empty promises.

      And as with the war on Hizbullah, in this war on Hamas the Palestinian national government is going around in circles, doing nothing and all that is missing is for Abbas to weep on live TV to make the repeat performance complete.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 3:26 am

        The Palestinian agony continues

        A hysterical child could only be calmed when he was brought to the side of his dead mother
        link to twitter.com

        Reminded me of this

      • Walid
        July 31, 2014, 3:49 am

        Here’s another, seafoid:

      • Walid
        July 31, 2014, 4:22 am

        Oummi, another touching poem by Mahmoud Darwish put to music by Khalifé, seafood. For those not fully familiar with Marcel Khalifé, he also wrote other types of music, a couple of them for the Qatar Philharmonic.

        Concerto for rababa and orchestra with cellist Hasan Mo’taz:

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 8:38 am

        seafoid & walid– thank you so much for all that you share so willingly.

        the little alone, suffering, and traumatized Palestinian boy orphan has memories of his mama, but will he be allowed to live and experience them? i want to scoop them all up (all Palestinians) and hold them tight and away from their agony. i want my country to stop this massacre and ongoing nakba, and finally give the Palestinians what we took from them– freedom and joy and life.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 8:53 am

        “For 20 days I have sat in front of this computer like a mad man.”

        Said Finkelstein. Me too.
        But now I’m off on holidays. I hope there’s wi-fi .

        On twitter, Mjayrosenberg is very good for links, just. He describes this war as a watershed and I think it is. The self outing of people like Shavit, the 95% approval amongst Jewish Israelis, the silence of the leaders of the Reform Jews, what Beinart is finally saying.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 9:02 am

        Bless you and your holidays, seafoid. I hope that they do have wi-fi where you’re going, otherwise I am going to be miserably consigned to missing you and your contributions here.

        I am sorry that many of my friends and family think that I “care too much” about this genocide. I can’t make people care, but I hope to make them THINK.

        I’m never going to stop trying to jump- start a brain and a heart.

      • Shingo
        July 31, 2014, 5:31 am

        Gazans are not given that luxury as Egypt is holding them down while Israel butchers them

        I couldn’t have put it better Walid.

        I can’t get my head around how in the space of 12 months, Egyptians has turned into such a vile and pathetic nation. The reversal of the Arab Spring has turned the whole country into a despicable basket case, and seeing them turn on the people of Gaza reminds one of rats eating their own. Not even during the Mubarak era did we see the Egyptians sticking the knife into the Palestinians as we are seeing now.

        I wouldn’t even be surprised if after this genocide is over, El Sisi goes to Israel to congratulate Netenyahu on a job well done.

        As for the Saudis, it boggles the mind how sinister and his vile they are toward Arabs who don’t conform to their very narrow ideology. We see them turn against not only Shiites but Sunnis too.

        And given how silent and complicit the Sunni Arab states have been over this outrage in Gaza, I for one will never buy the BS excuse that radicalized Muslims are targeting Americans because of the US role in the I/P conflict. If they are genuinely outraged, then now is the time to do something about it.

        Not only are we seeing the sadism of Zionism on display here, we are witnessed the ugly face of the Arab world.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 6:00 am

        Shingo

        the Egyptian regime does not represent the majority of the people.
        Egyptians are horrified. AIPAC is the roadblock.

      • Shingo
        July 31, 2014, 6:31 am

        the Egyptian regime does not represent the majority of the people.

        They elected El Sisi knowing how hostile he was to Hamas and the Palestinians. I’d say the regime most certainly does represent them.

        The obscene propaganda the deep sate fed the gullible, uneducated public was swallowed hook line and sinker, turning them entirely against the Muslim Brotherhood, and against Hamas because of their ties.

        There is no evidence Egyptians are horrified. Indeed, the demonstrations in Cairo 2013 were very hostile towards the Palestinians, and amazingly enough became pro Israel.I even hears these idiots of labeling Morsi supporters as anti Semites.

        AIPAC was never able to stop mass protests in the streets of Cairo against Israel’s aggression against Gaza under Mubarak or Morsi.

        Don’t make the mistake of romanticizing about the Sunni Arab world Seafoid. They are a disgrace.
        The fact we haven’t heard a peep from the Egyptians is because the counter revolution has turned the state into a nations of gimps.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 6:40 am

        It’s not about romance. Sisi only got something like 40% of potential votes. the others abstained.
        I have lived in Egypt and I know how most Egyptians think about Israel.
        Sisi probably presented it as a security issue but lot of Masris are disgusted that innocent Gazans are being mowed down by Israel.

        Egypt needs the money the Us sends for Camp David.

        Again it all comes back to AIPAC and power.

        Most Europeans are sick of it too but what can anyone do when 100/100 Senators in DC are in the pocket of AIPAC?

        the name of the game is power.

      • Shingo
        July 31, 2014, 7:33 am

        Sisi only got something like 40% of potential votes. the others abstained.

        That’s kinda meaningless. The MB are the majority, and seeing as they were banned, most of those potential votes were already discounted.

        I have lived in Egypt and I know how most Egyptians think about Israel.

        Was the before it after 2013? I already stated that up until last year, Egyptians were indeed hostile to Israel and supportive if Pslestinians, but the coup and deep state did quite a number on the Egyptian psyche.

        Sisi probably presented it as a security issue but lot of Masris are disgusted that innocent Gazans are being mowed down by Israel.

        Sorry, Without evidence that doesn’t hold water. Egypt has always needed the money the Us sends, but that never stopped Egyptians taking to the streets when Israel mowed the lawn.

        It’s not AIPAC, it’s the Saudis and the Mubarak era Deep State. The Egyptians were completely duped and taken for a ride by the pro Mubarak media.

        Yes, the name of the game us power, but the Egyptian public are backward , uneducated, illiterate ignoramuses that are easily seduced by the most infantile propaganda.

        Most Europeans are sick of it too but what can anyone do when 100/100 Senators in DC are in the pocket of AIPAC?

        There are a lot more people in Europe and the US demonstrating than Egypt. In fact, there are more people in Israeli demonstrating than Cairo.

        Stop making excuses for Egypt and Egyptians.

      • Shingo
        July 31, 2014, 6:54 am

        Here you go Seafoid. Check this out if you can stomach it.

        link to altahrir.wordpress.com

        A Zionist Egypt has emerged under Al-Sisi

        The incitement of hatred in Egypt against the Muslim Brotherhood since Morsi was elected led to the bloody coup and the largest massacre seen in Egypt against his supporters. This has been redirected over the past year against Hamas on a governmental, military, judicial and media level.

        As a result, Egyptian fervour for the Palestinian cause has subsided. The Egyptian viewer is constantly told that Hamas is a terrorist group; it is the Muslim Brotherhood: “We must not forget that Hamas is the armed branch of the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist movement,” Egyptian TV presenter Amany Al-Khayat told viewers.

        “The support for Palestinians has waned dramatically,” said one Egyptian journalist. “The Egyptian silence in the face of Israel’s latest offensive is expected amid an unprecedented and coordinated media smear campaign against Hamas.”

        The emergence of Egyptian Zionists

        The dehumanisation and gloating seen amongst the Egyptian people when peaceful anti-coup protesters were annihilated, is the same now being witnessed towards Gaza, with several television presenters praising and supporting the Israeli military operation against Hamas. Some salute Israel and encourages it to wipe out Hamas and the people of Gaza.

        “Thank you Netanyahu and may God give us more people like you to destroy Hamas!” tweeted Azza Sami of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram. Another Egyptian wrote: “May God make the State of Israel victorious in its war against the terrorist movement Hamas during this holy month of Ramadan.”

        Hamas and the Palestinians are shocked by this reaction to the Israeli military operation. One Hamas spokesman said: “It’s disgraceful to see that some Egyptians are publicly supporting the Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip while Westerners are expressing solidarity with the Palestinians and condemning Israel.” Since the Israeli offensive, there has been an immense worldwide public uproar with many countries seeing tens of thousands of people protesting in the streets to condemn the atrocities and call on their governments to put pressure on Israel to stop its crimes.

        This sort of incitement towards Palestinians has never been seen before in Egypt; some of the state mouthpieces go so far as to claim, ridiculously, that what is happening is not a war, but an agreement between Israel and Hamas to embarrass Egypt. According to presenter and staunch mouthpiece of the Al-Sisi regime, Tawfik Okasha, “Hamas has made an agreement with Israeli intelligence and planned for the firing of Hamas rockets into Tel Aviv.” Another, obviously ignorant, TV personality claimed that the people of Gaza were better off under the Israeli occupation than under the Hamas-led government.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 8:09 am

        Shingo

        “The dehumanisation and gloating seen amongst the Egyptian people when peaceful anti-coup protesters were annihilated, is the same now being witnessed towards Gaza, with several television presenters praising and supporting the Israeli military operation against Hamas. Some salute Israel and encourages it to wipe out Hamas and the people of Gaza.”

        Sisi would do anything to demonise the MB. But you seem to be arguing that the typical Egyptian’s sympathy for the Palestinians has changed because of the counter revolution. So if you go to Benha say and you pick a fellah he’ll be pro Israel.

        Ma yin fash.

        All of these Zionist power things are the same- they buy off the top people.
        And that’s fine as long as the despots control their people.
        And then one day it goes tits up.
        And then it’s squeaky bum time.

        One of the Haaretz journos was in Cairo when Mubarak fell and he was afraid to say he was Jewish. That’s tail risk.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 1:00 am

        Sisi would do anything to demonise the MB.

        Sisi would not be in power had Egyptians not been brainwashed into being against the MB. They got that way by being fed crap by the deep state media. A friend of mine who was there in the lead up to the 2013 coup said that taxi drivers and people on the street would repeat the craziest conspiracy theories about Morsi – how he’d sold or rented the pyramids to the Saudis, how Obama was secret member of teh MB.

        I mean seriously dude, how many countries would be so simple minded as to believe in Israeli sharks trained to attack Egyptian tourists?
        link to huffingtonpost.com

        But you seem to be arguing that the typical Egyptian’s sympathy for the Palestinians has changed because of the counter revolution.

        You seem to be unable to refute that. After all, citing what Haaretz journos experiences in Cairo when Mubarak fell is hardly a counter argument.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2014, 2:11 pm

        the Egyptian public are backward , uneducated, illiterate ignoramuses

        gee shingo. that’s a very broad brush.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 1:30 am

        gee shingo. that’s a very broad brush.

        Yes it is Annie, but the I see evidence against using it.

      • HarryLaw
        July 31, 2014, 8:04 am

        Those Kings and Emirs will sell their own Grandmothers to keep their crowns. Even Liberman is tired of keeping their love affairs secret.”The Israeli foreign minister, has had quite enough with leading a double life. Addressing students at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya on June 2, he threw a curveball: “I have had my fill of secret meetings. The Arab world needs to overcome the psychological barrier. When you meet with them in secret, they talk to you like peers, so you enjoy the conversation. Later on, when you meet them at international venues, suddenly they treat you like the enemy. So I want to make it harder on them. When I speak about diplomacy, its best form is when everything is on the table and out in the open, not in some secret agreements.” link to al-monitor.com
        They are all a bunch of slimy bastards, one day the tumbrills will roll.

      • eljay
        July 31, 2014, 8:20 am

        “The Israeli foreign minister, has had quite enough with leading a double life. Addressing students at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya on June 2, he threw a curveball: “I have had my fill of secret meetings. … When I speak about diplomacy, its best form is when everything is on the table and out in the open, not in some secret agreements.”

        An excellent idea! Put everything on the table – maps, (international) legal documents, demands, et cetera – in a public and televised negotiation session or series of sessions between the Palestinians and “Jewish State”. Have as independent and unbiased as possible an arbitrator or panel of arbitrators chair the sessions(s) and keep discussions tightly focused and fully transparent.

      • MHughes976
        July 31, 2014, 8:36 am

        It’s not unbroken Arab silence. The Angry Arabs website has photos of demonstrations about Gaza in Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia and Morocco, also in Israel itself – though I can’t deny that on their showing most of the protests are indeed in the West or in Latin America.

      • Hostage
        July 31, 2014, 9:40 pm

        An excellent idea! Put everything on the table – maps, (international) legal documents, demands, et cetera – in a public and televised negotiation session or series of sessions between the Palestinians and “Jewish State”. Have as independent and unbiased as possible an arbitrator or panel of arbitrators chair the sessions(s) and keep discussions tightly focused and fully transparent.

        That’s exactly what the UNSCOP and General Assembly Ad Hoc Political Committee on Palestine did when they produced the only internationally adjudicated settlement to date.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 12:43 am

        They are all a bunch of slimy bastards, one day the tumbrills will roll.

        That day cannot come soon enough. Seriously, Liebesn looks like the reasonable and honest one here, which goes to show how sleazy and vile the Arab leaders really are .

      • Taxi
        August 1, 2014, 2:18 am

        Shingo,

        Sisi reminds me of Mubarak, who reminds me of Sedat, who reminds me of Nasser.

        Man, you haven’t got a clue.

        But of course you will insist that you are the King of Egypt and therefore you know Egypt best.

        To equate Nasser with Mubarak or Sadat is the epitome of ignorance, not just of the political history of Egypt, but of the region’s battle with colonialism as a whole. It’s tantamount to equating JFK with Bush Jnr.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 7:28 am

        Man, you haven’t got a clue.

        Well Taxi,

        Seeing as you’ve been 100% wrong about everything that would or would not happen in Egypt over the part 12 months, I won’t take that critique to heart.

        But of course you will insist that you are the King of Egypt and therefore you know Egypt best.

        Seriously Taxi,

        I forgot you were the sooth sayer who predicted that the Egyptian foreign ministry was going to lift the blockade on Gaza. How did that turn out?

        Do you really want me to run through the menagerie of spectacularly erroneous predictions you made 12 months ago with respect to Egypt, what you believed Egyptians wanted and what they ended up with? All that knowledge of history of Egypt and everything you predicted is 100% wrong

        Let’s take a look at some of your highlights:

        Really, Danaa, I understand the roles and relationships between the Egyptian people and their army and I see no signs whatsoever that Sisi has any designs on being Egyptian head of state.
        link to mondoweiss.net

        Wow Taxi, you really know the Egyptian psyche don’t you? How is it that I, Danaa, and others kept warning you that El Sisi was going to run for office and you saw no signs whatsoever?

        But never fear, you assured us that:

        “The Egyptian revolution remains, to date, a work in progress”

        Then there was this:

        “Morsi was a USA-israel agent: one of the major reasons why he was ousted.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        “I’m happy the moslem brotherhood lost Egypt and Syria. So are the many millions of progressive revolutionaries of the mideast, including in Palestine – them upright people who risked life and limb to make it so.

        Yes I am sure he 1.8 million Gazans are ecstatic right now about the MB losing in Egypt. Things have just gone swimmingly for them.

        “Man, you got to much crow on your plate now waiting for you and your smart mouth to eat after the Egyptian elections.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        So the Egyptian elections took place 2 months ago and what as are witnessing, as Walid so eloquently described, is Israel bashing the [email protected] out of the Palestinians while Egypt holds them down.

        “Actually, American, what you might find interesting is knowing about a Mr. Hamdeen Sabahu, the Egyptian presidential candidate that America and israel are scared sh*tless of:

        His vision of Egypt is currently gaining ground across the land.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        Hamdeen Sabahu who?

        “The Egyptian people are saying no no no to outside interference in their internal affairs. They have decided that it is better to be starving and free than starving and under the boot of a foreign entity. Can you blame them?”
        Wow, free huh? The Egyptians are so free that for the fist time in since Nasser, they are afraid to demonstrate in public against Israel’s mass murder of Palestinians.

        But here’s one of your other gems Taxi:

        “Maybe after the new elections, when the Camp David Accords are put through a referendum, which is the stated intention of the Tahriris, you will begin to see that the Egyptian people are the ones in control of their democratic destiny, and not the “deep state” dictator army that you are so foolishly fond of asserting.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        So now that we’ve had those free and democratic elections Taxi, when can we expect those Camp David Accords to be put through that referendum?

        “Right now, the status quo in the middle east is a-rockin’n’rollin’. You can feel it in the air and under your feet. Of course, the old guards are pretending that it’s ‘business as usual’. Hellllllll no it ain’t!”

        link to mondoweiss.net

        “You don’t think that Bibi is having separation anxiety after suddenly losing his new pet islamist Morsi?”

        And…

        “They ain’t celebrating in israel, they’re sweating in windowless rooms and back-peddling and looking for ways to show that they didn’t REALLY back a loser (Morsi); that their regional influence and power isn’t REALLY on the wan (Bashar is still around despite their vigorous covert and overt operations to oust him – oh yeah, and so are those crusty hizbollah). Sorry to say shingo, but it seems like you’ve swallowed the zio propaganda on Egypt hook, line and sinker.”

        So the Israelis are sweating in windowless rooms huh Taxi?

        “But Gaza and Gaza relief is always on the agenda of the Egyptian foreign office and I have no doubt that once a new elected democratic government is in place in Cairo, a new chapter of cooperation between them and the Gazaens will be configured and implemented.”

        I guess we found out what the elected democratic government had in mind when it it talked about relief for Gaza.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        “Ever heard of geopolitical realpolitiking? Obviously not. Ever heard of the bad blood between the Egyptian army and the idf? Ever heard of the expression: all in good time? “

        link to mondoweiss.net

        So if we are to believe you Taxi, the Egyptian military is just helping Israel to massacre the Palestinians in Gaza in order to lull them into a false sense of security before they launch a surprise attack right?

        “Repeat to us how the Egyptians are “nice” but not particularly smart enough to see what’s being done to them, against them, a second time round.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        “Fact is, the majority of Egyptians and the majority of the region, see the ouster of Morsi as a continuation of the 25th January 2011 revolution.”

        I guess by revolution, you must have been referring to the spin of a wheel. Seriously Taxi, maybe you just got too consumed by Egyptian history and lost all touch with reality.

        Just check out these geniuses. Bear in mind these are educated, bilingual and have a full set of teeth:

        A few highlights from the video:
        At 4:51, they accuse the Muslim Bortherhood of using human shields, including children, in Cairo. Apparently the MB went to orphanages to pick up these children to be shot by Egyptian police.
        7:11. Obama is one of them (the Muslim Brotherhood) with 6 people in his administration with MB ties, all in the White House. Sleeper cells.

        To equate Nasser with Mubarak or Sadat is the epitome of ignorance, not just of the political history of Egypt, but of the region’s battle with colonialism as a whole.

        Point taken Taxi, but if you want to get down to minutia, no two leaders have any resemblance. At the end of the day, all 3 were corrupt military dictators who sold out the Palestinians and who outlawed the Muslim brotherhood.

        It’s tantamount to equating JFK with Bush Jnr.

        That’s hardly a stretch. Both had foreign policies committed to Americans expansionism, were committed to gratuitous military expansionism, and started wars of aggression based in lies.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 7:39 am

        Man, you haven’t got a clue.

        Well Taxi,

        Seeing as you’ve been 100% wrong about everything that would or would not happen in Egypt over the part 12 months, I won’t take that critique to heart.

        But of course you will insist that you are the King of Egypt and therefore you know Egypt best.

        Seriously Taxi,

        I forgot you were the sooth sayer who predicted that the Egyptian foreign ministry was going to lift the blockade on Gaza. How did that turn out?

        Do you really want me to run through the menagerie of spectacularly erroneous predictions you made 12 months ago with respect to Egypt, what you believed Egyptians wanted and what they ended up with? All that knowledge of history of Egypt and everything you predicted is 100% wrong

        Let’s take a look at some of your highlights:

        1. Really, Danaa, I understand the roles and relationships between the Egyptian people and their army and I see no signs whatsoever that Sisi has any designs on being Egyptian head of state.
        link to mondoweiss.net

        Wow Taxi, you really know the Egyptian psyche don’t you? How is it that I, Danaa, and others kept warning you that El Sisi was going to run for office and you saw no signs whatsoever?

        But never fear, you assured us that:

        2. “The Egyptian revolution remains, to date, a work in progress”

        Then there was this:

        3. “Morsi was a USA-israel agent: one of the major reasons why he was ousted.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        4. “I’m happy the moslem brotherhood lost Egypt and Syria. So are the many millions of progressive revolutionaries of the mideast, including in Palestine – them upright people who risked life and limb to make it so.

        Yes I am sure he 1.8 million Gazans are ecstatic right now about the MB losing in Egypt. Things have just gone swimmingly for them.

        5. “Man, you got to much crow on your plate now waiting for you and your smart mouth to eat after the Egyptian elections.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        So the Egyptian elections took place 2 months ago and what as are witnessing, as Walid so eloquently described, is Israel bashing the [email protected] out of the Palestinians while Egypt holds them down.

        6. “Actually, American, what you might find interesting is knowing about a Mr. Hamdeen Sabahu, the Egyptian presidential candidate that America and israel are scared sh*tless of:

        His vision of Egypt is currently gaining ground across the land.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        Hamdeen Sabahu who?

        7. “The Egyptian people are saying no no no to outside interference in their internal affairs. They have decided that it is better to be starving and free than starving and under the boot of a foreign entity. Can you blame them?”
        Wow, free huh? The Egyptians are so free that for the fist time in since Nasser, they are afraid to demonstrate in public against Israel’s mass murder of Palestinians.

        But here’s one of your other gems Taxi:

        8. “Maybe after the new elections, when the Camp David Accords are put through a referendum, which is the stated intention of the Tahriris, you will begin to see that the Egyptian people are the ones in control of their democratic destiny, and not the “deep state” dictator army that you are so foolishly fond of asserting.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        So now that we’ve had those free and democratic elections Taxi, when can we expect those Camp David Accords to be put through that referendum?

        9. “Right now, the status quo in the middle east is a-rockin’n’rollin’. You can feel it in the air and under your feet. Of course, the old guards are pretending that it’s ‘business as usual’. Hellllllll no it ain’t!”

        link to mondoweiss.net

        10. “You don’t think that Bibi is having separation anxiety after suddenly losing his new pet islamist Morsi?”

        And…

        “They ain’t celebrating in israel, they’re sweating in windowless rooms and back-peddling and looking for ways to show that they didn’t REALLY back a loser (Morsi); that their regional influence and power isn’t REALLY on the wan (Bashar is still around despite their vigorous covert and overt operations to oust him – oh yeah, and so are those crusty hizbollah). Sorry to say shingo, but it seems like you’ve swallowed the zio propaganda on Egypt hook, line and sinker.”

        So the Israelis are sweating in windowless rooms huh Taxi?

        11. “But Gaza and Gaza relief is always on the agenda of the Egyptian foreign office and I have no doubt that once a new elected democratic government is in place in Cairo, a new chapter of cooperation between them and the Gazaens will be configured and implemented.”

        I guess we found out what the elected democratic government had in mind when it it talked about relief for Gaza.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        12. “Ever heard of geopolitical realpolitiking? Obviously not. Ever heard of the bad blood between the Egyptian army and the idf? Ever heard of the expression: all in good time? “

        link to mondoweiss.net

        So if we are to believe you Taxi, the Egyptian military is just helping Israel to massacre the Palestinians in Gaza in order to lull them into a false sense of security before they launch a surprise attack right?

        13. “Repeat to us how the Egyptians are “nice” but not particularly smart enough to see what’s being done to them, against them, a second time round.”
        link to mondoweiss.net

        “Fact is, the majority of Egyptians and the majority of the region, see the ouster of Morsi as a continuation of the 25th January 2011 revolution.”

        I guess by revolution, you must have been referring to the spin of a wheel. Seriously Taxi, maybe you just got too consumed by Egyptian history and lost all touch with reality.

        Just check out these geniuses. Bear in mind these are educated, bilingual and have a full set of teeth:
        link to youtube.com
        A few highlights from the video:
        At 4:51, they accuse the Muslim Bortherhood of using human shields, including children, in Cairo. Apparently the MB went to orphanages to pick up these children to be shot by Egyptian police.
        7:11. Obama is one of them (the Muslim Brotherhood) with 6 people in his administration with MB ties, all in the White House. Sleeper cells.

        To equate Nasser with Mubarak or Sadat is the epitome of ignorance, not just of the political history of Egypt, but of the region’s battle with colonialism as a whole.

        Point taken Taxi, but if you want to get down to minutia, no two leaders have any resemblance. At the end of the day, all 3 were corrupt military dictators who sold out the Palestinians and who outlawed the Muslim brotherhood.

        It’s tantamount to equating JFK with Bush Jnr.

        That’s hardly a stretch. Both had foreign policies committed to Americans expansionism, were committed to gratuitous military expansionism, and started wars of aggression based in lies.

      • Taxi
        August 1, 2014, 8:06 am

        LOL Shingo,

        I’m sure you’ve had your long-winded response to my objection to your bigotry pre-written and you’ve been baiting and baiting and waiting to spring your ‘gotcha’ bs on me.

        Frankly, I didn’t bother reading much of what you wrote because NONE of what you said about me takes away from the fact that you are obsessed with hating on Egyptians – all 88 million of them – you’re an admitted and proud bigot, judging from your statements and justifications.

        Myself, I have NO PROBLEM admitting that a couple of my “predictions” re Egypt didn’t fall into the time frame that I gave a year ago. Nevertheless, even within this context of my faulty calculations, I can still run circles around you with regarding Egypt and its political history. Man, you are too blinded by your hate for Egyptians to ever learn anything new, so I won’t bother.

        You’re still crying over the overthrow of Mursi – absurd waste of your time if you ask me.

        Shingo, you can have the last word on this – I’m sure it will be a repetition of the frothy bigotry that we’ve heard too many times from you already.

        All you do is slander – you never suggest a solution to the complexity that is Egypt -cuz you don’t understand Egypt and you never will so long as your heart is full of hate and your mind is full of rage towards them. No good ideas come from the state of being that you’ve entrenched yourself in.

        I can admit my mistakes and re-orientate my thinking. Can you?

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 6:21 pm

        I’m sure you’ve had your long-winded response to my objection to your bigotry pre-written and you’ve been baiting and baiting and waiting to spring your ‘gotcha’ bs on me.

        Pre-written huh? It took me all of 15 minutes of searching your comments on the subject to come with a great deal more than a few mistaken predictions about Egypt .

        what you wrote because NONE of what you said about me takes away from the fact that you are obsessed with hating on Egyptians – all 88 million of them – you’re an admitted and proud bigot, judging from your statements and justifications.

        Come on Taxi. We are all obsessed about the IP conflict and all that includes all the players that affect the situation. I could care less about Egypt and how they decide to trash their own country, but when it plays such a significant role in the lives of Gazans, yes I get seriously wound up about it.

        And it was you remember, that insisted that the demonstrations were the largest in the history ofthe world and that the Egyptians, not the military, were taking over the transition to a democratic government. So a year ago you were quite happy to insist this was the baby of the Egyptian people and now you’re taking offense that I am holding them responsible for Egypt’s actions towards Gaza.

        Unlike you, I have not compartmentalized my moral position on this. I abhor killing and violence everywhere. Hamas are no threat to Egypt and never were. They are struggling just to survive, so this malicious policy towards Hamas by Egypt is sadistic and cruel – and you can’t even bring yourself to admit that.

        Unlike you, I am entirely consistent in my moral position. I didn’t throw Hamas and the Gazans under the bus because of my irrational hatred of the MB.

        Need I take you back to the thread on MW regarding the massacre of 600 protesters? Of all the outrage expressed on the thread, you were the one dissenting voice who justified it – that it was necessary to clear the protesters because they were a nuisance and normality had to be restored in Cairo – when only a few weeks earlier you were proudly boasting of the “largest” demonstration in the “history of the world”.

        Nothing you predicted has come to pass and everything you insisted would happen has not – except the fact they held ejections.

        Nevertheless, even within this context of my faulty calculations, I can still run circles around you with regarding Egypt and its political history

        I don’t dispute that for one minute. On the other hand, I seem to be running circles around you when it comes to predicting the obvious.

        I can admit my mistakes and re-orientate my thinking. Can you?

        You’ve done no such thing and gone into complete denial.

        Look Taxi, there are many qualities I love and admire about you, and I respect your opinion a great deal, but humility is not one if them.

        When you were failing to get your point across last year , you declared you would not address the subject of Egypt until the elections, when we would all eat crow. Elections came and went and you still refuse to discuss it, either by dismissing me for “still crying over the overthrow of Mursi”, or insisting that you would not discuss Egypt until I had spent time there and spoken to your esteemed colleagues.

        So now I’m bitter and angry at what this means for the Palestinians while you’re bitter that I dared to remind you how wrong you were.

      • Walid
        July 31, 2014, 8:45 am

        Shingo, about your article and the press bearing down on Hamas, you can’t imagine to what extent all of Egypt’s media has been disparaging Hamas with vile insults and ridicule, so it isn’t any wonder you’re not hearing much from the people on the streets of Egypt; they know they have to behave themselves. But by the sheer size of media assault on Hamas, you could tell that it’s government instigated and the people know it, so I’d agree with seafoid that the people are actually sympathetic to the Gazans but they don’t dare show it. At the start of Israel’s assault on Gaza, the order of engineers called for a demonstration in front of the press building and only a few dozen showed up. With the shutting down of Al-Jazeera, the rest don’t dare get out of line. Not much mentioned about the jailing of Jazeera staff(that’s made up mostly of Brotherhood members) is how one its commentators, a former Brotherhood official, said something or other about al-Sisi being Jewish because of his Jewish mother and that he was out to destroy Egypt and other serious allegations; it’s no wonder the station was shut down and its people thrown in jail:

        link to thegatewaypundit.com

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 9:11 am

        Egypt is run by Sisi who reminds me of Franco.
        And there wasn’t much free speech under Franco either.
        The Masris will never love Israel. That’s the problem of living by the sword. You can kill them but you can’t make them love you.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 1:33 am

        Egypt is run by Sisi who reminds me of Franco. And there wasn’t much free speech under Franco either.

        Sisi reminds me of Mubarak, who reminds me of Sedat, who reminds me of Nasser.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 1:28 am

        so I’d agree with seafoid that the people are actually sympathetic to the Gazans but they don’t dare show it.

        I would defer to your greater knowledge Walid, but you cannot dispute that there were open demonstrations and expressions of hostility towards the Palestinians in general last year, not just directed at Hamas/MB.

        Those morons vote El Sisi into office. They did so knowing exactly what he would do re the Palestinians.

  27. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 5:12 pm

    It’s that liar Regev on CNN again “we always hold ourselves to high standards”, I would say the standards are in the gutters, when you look at the number of casualties on the Palestinian side, and the number of shelters that have been bombed.
    Another big lie “if we have a sustained period of no rockets and calm, we will consider easing the blockade”. Laughable. Sounds stupidly lame.

    • Walid
      July 31, 2014, 3:24 am

      Kay, Americans in general have been conditioned to believe any lie that is continuously repeated on their TV screens. What Regev is spewing is not much different from the barrage of ads by Crest, Tide and so on. If it didn’t work, you wouldn’t be seeing it all the time and the same is happening with Regev’s horseshit coming out of his mouth. It’s sad to have to admit it, but Regev’s lying messages are believed by the majority of Americans.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 3:27 am

        The problem is American

        link to youtube.com
        AIPAC directly lobbies 100/100 US Senators

        It’s very efficient
        link to youtube.com
        link to ontd-political.livejournal.com

        “If you just keep your mouth shut, it’s hard to imagine progressives abandoning you,” one progressive pro-Israel activist said. “There isn’t a lot of upside and potentially a lot of downside of a lawmaker getting on the wrong side of a community that is riled up, especially in the run-up to an election…intensity beats numbers, and the people who support Israel are very intense.”

      • Citizen
        July 31, 2014, 5:17 am

        Hitler was pretty intense. Looks to me like Israel and AIPAC are striving hard to make him reappear. There is a way to make fire simply from intense friction–I learned it watching Naked And Afraid.

      • crone
        July 31, 2014, 11:46 pm

        He may discover things are different this November.

        I got an email from E.Warren asking for money. I said “NO! money, and in fact, none of my time and energy this fall… nor my vote this November. Your unconditional support of Israel’s attack on Gaza prohibits my supporting you in any manner. Additionally, you support sending hard-working Americans’ tax dollars to Israel and with weapons to kill babies, children, innocents.

        signed //

        every person, organization that supports Israel will get the same response.

      • seafoid
        July 31, 2014, 4:40 am

        Regev is now talking about Israel’s empathy for the people of Gaza . What a Nazi. Arbeit macht Frei.

    • Daniel Rich
      July 31, 2014, 5:14 am

      @ Kay24,

      Q: It’s that liar Regev on CNN again “we always hold ourselves to high standards”,

      R: That happens when you deal with short people…

  28. Sycamores
    July 30, 2014, 5:57 pm

    two videos both tragic

    Chris Gunness, the spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, became emotional after an attack on a U.N. school in Gaza.

    link to youtube.com

    Israelis in Tel Aviv 26.7.2014: “There’s no school tomorrow,there’s no children left in Gaza! Oleh

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2014, 8:35 pm

      These are hate filled youth calling for the blood of those they despise, can see are being killed, and celebrating children being slaughtered. These are Israel’s pride and joy, the future leaders, and IDF soldiers, who would without hesitation wage the same bloody war onthose they occupy, on lies and flimsiest excuses.

      Don’t they remind you of the Hitlers nazi youth years ago?

      • Bob_Salad
        July 30, 2014, 9:28 pm

        It’s a Klan meeting, plain and simple.

        The more people that see this the better. The really worrying thing, is there doesn’t seem to be any attempt to perform damage limitation. It’s as if Israel wants the rest of the world to know that they really don’t give a toss what anyone else thinks.

    • bilal a
      July 31, 2014, 12:18 am

      the reality of Kiddie Kill Club has Harvard’s Walt losing it in this retweet of an aipac lampoon tweet of mj rosenberg.

      etweeted by Stephen Walt
      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 3h
      2 minute video. Meet the people who make sure the United States continues 2 back Israel’s Gaza war. link to youtube.com … #GazaUnderAttack

      link to twitter.com

      Rosenberg goes further laying the blame at the Diaspora leadership which creates the sick Israeli culture:. But he doesnt mention that the leadership’s support of Israeli terror is broadly supported by the community at large.

      Lena✨ @LRJarrar · 56m
      The Israeli slaughter happening in Gaza is a reflection of Israeli society, no matter how badly liberal Zionists wish that wasn’t true.

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 1h
      There is only 1 reason Israel is getting away with mass slaughter of kids: the power of the Israel lobby in US and Europe. #GazaUnderFire

  29. just
    July 30, 2014, 6:19 pm

    Israel indicted by Deputy Secretary General Jan Eliasson. wolf is begging for exoneration. Eliasson exonerates Hamas. all ‘rockets’ found were in deserted schools, NOT in shelters where they are 200, 000 huddled.

    C’mon Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry.

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2014, 6:27 pm

      PLO has decided to join the ICC.

      It may be a symbolic gesture, but I guess it may some impact in all this, who knows.
      We can only hope.

      • just
        July 30, 2014, 6:35 pm

        I can only hope. I think the UN is sickened…again. Israel has and is lost, and so is the US if we don’t act like empathic humans.

        I know that I feel sick in my core. I’m not one of the 86.5% in Israel that cheers this on, nor am I represented by the 100% of the US Congress.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 6:43 pm

        Every time I see the bloodbath and little kids being injured, I feel physically ill too. Imagine the good people in all those hospitals who have to cope with it. This is so sad.

      • Citizen
        July 31, 2014, 5:25 am

        @ Kay24
        I feel the same. I utterly despise the US Congress. I think back on ancient Greek historians and writers who despised the hoy poly plebe democracies, those uneducated folks moved easily by the crass emotions, to be distinguished from the noble sophrosene of the elite. Who yearns for mob actions? But the US Senate? Could the whole lot of them be more wrong? I don’t think so. What to do beyond signing petitions, trying to contact our reps? Spreading BDS… Meanwhile, who will save the people of Gaza from the power of AIPAC-orchestrated cash? Anybody?

      • Daniel Rich
        July 31, 2014, 5:20 am

        @ just,

        Q: I know that I feel sick in my core.

        R: You are most certainly not alone, just. The feeling of utter helplessness has a stranglehold on my soul so forceful, that it hurts throughout my entire body.

        The US condemns the bombing of the UN school and delivers more ammo to the freaking monsters? *F* ’em!

      • HarryLaw
        July 30, 2014, 7:10 pm

        Kay24, “PLO has decided to join the ICC.” Could you supply a link? I will believe it when I see it.

      • Kay24
        July 31, 2014, 9:13 am

        Sorry I just saw this today…I saw it scrolled on Al Jazeera America.

  30. scott9854958
    July 30, 2014, 6:46 pm

    It’s all Hamas’s fault! Just keep repeating it enough times and hopefully the mean vicious Israel haters will go away.

    Come on Obama, say something. Suspend aid to Israel pending a Congressional investigation into these atrocities. Remember Bush 41 held up those loan guarantees? He looks like a giant among men now.

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2014, 7:11 pm

      UN officials just stated that the claim of Hamas weapons being in the shelters that was bombed by Israel is not true. They strongly condemned that bombing and blames Israel for it.

      Dore Gold advisor to Bibi says, he still does not know who exactly bombed that school, aw he is playing the ignorant game. Still seems Khamas is to be blamed for all the violence over there.

  31. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 6:52 pm

    CNN just covering the story of Mossad agents trying to kill Meshal Hamas leader by shooting poison into his ear, in Jordan. Bill Clinton had to intervene and get the antidote for that. Bibi had apparently ordered that hit.

    • Kate
      July 30, 2014, 9:05 pm

      There’s a whole book about this attempted assassination of Khaled Meshaal:
      Kill Khaled: The Failed Mossad Assassination of Khalid Mishal and the Rise of Hamas by Paul McGeough — fascinating read. I’m amazed that CNN is covering this 1997 story.

      CNN story: link to cnn.com

      TIME story: link to time.com
      Khaled Mashaal lay dying in a hospital bed as poison flowed through his bloodstream, slowly shutting down his respiratory system. With a machine pumping air into his lungs, he had, at best, a few days to live. An antidote could save the Hamas leader’s life. But the only person who could provide it was the very man who had tried to kill him: Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
      As the clock ticked down over four days in late September 1997, with Mashaal unconscious and steadily deteriorating, Netanyahu faced an excruciating choice. The Mossad agents who had sprayed poison into the Palestinian’s ear on a street in Amman, Jordan — in retribution for a series of suicide attacks within Israel — had been captured while fleeing. Jordan’s King Hussein vowed to put the Israelis on trial if Mashaal expired. The agents would likely face execution if convicted. Desperate to avert an international crisis that would derail his efforts to broker peace deals between Israel and its Arab enemies, President Bill Clinton intervened, insisting that Netanyahu, then serving the first of his two tenures as Israel’s prime minister, provide the antidote. The Israeli leader grudgingly complied, even traveling to Amman to issue a personal apology to the King. Mashaal was revived, his stature forever enhanced as “the living martyr.” Instead of killing one of Israel’s most despised enemies, Netanyahu had resurrected him.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 10:08 pm

        I watched a documentary about this unbelievable story on Al Jazeera.
        The diabolical methods of Mossad is almost like reading from a spy novel. It seems they are experts in going into other nations and killing others who they deemed to be enemies.

      • Citizen
        July 31, 2014, 5:29 am

        @ Kay24
        Is the day nearing when Mossad will be honing in on the regulars here at MW? In the home of free speech (LOL).

      • Daniel Rich
        July 31, 2014, 5:22 am

        @ Kate,

        Thank you for the links. As per usual, you are worth your weight in gold.

  32. kalithea
    July 30, 2014, 6:57 pm

    Today Zionists have proven that this slaughter in Gaza is indeed an intended genocidal massacre and their own words and polls prove this and it’s uncanny how this carpet bombing of Gaza is similar to the Nazi carpet bombing of Guernica when in 1937 they hit a marketplace and other areas killing scores of civilians even though the resistance barracks were mere kilometers away. Well, today Zionists bombed a marketplace killing at least 17 civilians and injuring close to 200. But they also bombed yet another U.N. shelter containing 3000 innocent civilians, children sleeping beside their mothers and caused a bloodbath there. All in all the civilian kill quota for today was 100 with hundreds injured i.e. maimed, blinded, burned, scarred by shrapnel for life, etc.

    Now here’s proof of the Zionist intention: A poll was just conducted among Israeli Jews not Arabs, Jews, and 95%, yes, the overwhelming majority of Jews say, keep bombing Gaza, don’t stop pounding them, and noooo more truce. And they interviewed Zionists on the beach, in shopping malls and cafes – all having a grand ol’ time, while Palestinians are being butchered just next door, and each and every one said, bomb ALL Gaza, bomb everything, and keep pounding them. So as you can see – GENOCIDE – is on the mind of these Zionist Jews in Israel.

    Maybe we should poll the Zionists in the Diaspora as well – see what they’re thinking. After all, the pro-Israel rallies have thousands of Jews while the end-the-massacre-in-Gaza only have hundreds of them participating.

    So methinks that Zionists are on a mission in Palestine: to wipe it off the planet because they neither have nor want any other solution, no two-state solution, no one-state solution, ONLY the final solution comes readily to mind.

    Everyone knows however and, it’s no suprise that supremacist ideologies always lead to this final type of solution.

    But here’s the thing. Today Zionists asked the U.S. for more munitions, bombs to continue this genocidal massacre of mostly innocent civilians and guess what? You’re paying for it with your hard earned money! Yes, the complicit U.S. government said OF COURSE we’ll give you more weapons. Even though it’s against International Law to supply weapons to a country commiting WAR CRIMES.

    Never again? Don’t you know???…for Jews only.

    Zionism has spawned racist war criminals and the U.S., Canada, the EU and even the UN are complicit with their crimes.

    THE TRUTH, and everyone knows it.

  33. NoMoreIsrael
    July 30, 2014, 7:57 pm

    Why doesn’t Kerry call a press conference, explain what is going on and
    denounce this massacre??

    He’d be fired by Obama the next day and so what? Between him and his wife
    they must have what–hundreds of millions of dollars? He doesn’t need
    another job and doesn’t have to answer to anyone. He could make history
    and possibly change the course of events. And he still can’t do what any
    decent human being knows is the right thing?

    I don’t get it.

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2014, 8:24 pm

      I don’t get it either NMI, it would be a “whoosh” moment if Kerry tells them to go to Hell, and speaks the truth.

      For that matter, any courageous American leader who can speak out against the Israeli slaughter of Palestinian civilians, our role in arming them, will be appreciated by so many.

    • Citizen
      July 30, 2014, 8:51 pm

      @ NoMoreIsrael
      You are right, he doesn’t need to kowtow to anybody for money; he’s rich thanks to his wife. He’s actually more independent than Obama as he has no problem with his future wealthy future. He could do a lot, but merely mentioning Apartheid as the likely future for Israel if it doesn’t change its ways, is a tad too much for him, He’s like a guy who is addicted to alcohol but just can’t stop. Why?

    • American
      July 30, 2014, 9:02 pm

      Doesnt matter how much money they have.
      Kerry and all the politicians like him don’t tell the truth even once out of office because they don’t want to be kicked out of the ‘Club”.
      Most politicians become addicted to ‘being someone important, a VIP’, a ‘red carpet’ star…like Hollywood stars.
      If they told any truths or dirt they would be shunned by the “Club’ and not invited to WH dinners and functions and onto news show or called on to comment or campaign for some candidate—they would become untouchables, forgotten and ignored.
      Just like they will trade dead children for zio money for elections and their parties, they will trade those dead children also to remain a ‘member of the club’ even when their career is over.
      Think of them as Goldstones, will trade their souls to ‘belong”.

  34. just
    July 30, 2014, 7:59 pm

    “A Norwegian doctor who has just returned from Gaza Strip narrated in a press conference in Brussels Wednesday his personal account of the horrific suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza due to the Israeli military aggression.

    “My main message is that this is an all out warfare against the Palestinian people,” said Mads Gilbert who had been working in the Al Shifa hospital in Gaza.

    He was speaking at a press conference organised by Palestinian doctors Association in Europe (PALMED Europe) to inform the European public about the recent deadly events in the Gaza Strip.

    Gilbert, who has been working with the Palestinians in the medical sector since 1981, showed pictures that he had himself taken in the Shifa hospital of the many Palestinians killed and injured.

    He noted that the numbers of Palestinian civilians killed till Tuesday night reached 1210, including 287 children, and 7000 injured, including 2164 children.

    “Pose yourself one question,” he told the journalists,” What would the world, what would Mr.Obama, what would the President in Belgium or France say, if Palestinian militants had killed 287 Israeli children and injured 2164 Israeli children in three weeks. What would their reaction have been. You know the answer,” he said.

    “This is a very concrete way of illustrating the apartheid system that we see in front of us,” said the Norwegian doctor.

    He said the Al Shifa hospital, the largest in Gaza, has been totally drained of medical equipment and medicine due to seven years of Israeli siege. For the last four months the staff has not been paid their salaries.

    Gilbert denied Israeli accusations that Hamas’ military headquarters was based in Al Shifa hospital.

    “We stress that what we see in Shifa’ hospital are not part of any military defence of Gaza. It is only civilians,” he stressed.

    Gilbert clarified that he did not support Hamas, PLO or any other Palestinian faction.
    “It is not Hamas against Israel. It is the Palestinian people standing together against a military attack, siege and occupation. We support the Palestinian people and their right to resist occupation and their right to survive the hardest of all times,” he said.

    ” I salute the Palestinian people from the depth of my heart.I have never seen so much civilian courage and so much blood in my life,” he added..

    Christophe Oberlin, a French medical school professor and surgeon, said he has visited Gaza 40 times, the last time was a few weeks ago.

    He said that he and others like himself received a mandate from the Palestinian justice ministry to deliver a complaint against Israel to the prosecutor in the International Criminal Court Fatou Bensouda, last Friday.

    This complaint is in accordance with the international law and the statute of ICC and is supported by more than 130 law professors all around the world and many international NGOs like Amnesty international, he said.

    The ICC prosecutor now has to transfer the complaint to the pre-trial chamber of the court to organise a debate between the different parties.

    “With this complaint we have made a small crack in the window of the ICC fortress. This is the best complaint that we can imagine and completely acceptable from the legal point of view,” stressed Oberlin.

    Three other Palestinian doctors who are based in Europe also spoke at the press conference about their experiences in Gaza.

    Hadi Shebli, deputy chief of the Palestinian mission in Brussels, read a letter by PA President Mahmoud Abbas granting honorary citizenship on Gilbert.

    Lahebib Adami, Arab League ambassador to Brussels, presented a gift to Gilbert in recognition of his selfless dedication to help the Palestinian people.”

    link to kuna.net.kw

    There you have it– on to the ICC!

    • Annie Robbins
      July 30, 2014, 8:03 pm

      wow, i wish i could say ‘great news!’ but it comes at such a cost.

      • just
        July 30, 2014, 8:11 pm

        I know what you mean, annie. I really feel so sad, sorry, and guilty.

        I am sickened that it came to this– so many dead, and those that survive are in unimaginable pain and suffering… the US must NOT be a further obstacle to justice.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2014, 8:31 pm

        Annie you are right it is such a high cost. The casualties are too much to even comprehend. Dr. Gilbert is so credible, so are the other doctors, and the world should judge the Israelis by what he says.
        Just, the US congress have and always will be the obstacle to holding Israel accountable for these horrible, horrible killings, and we should be ashamed that it just gave the green light for the butchers to use on helpless civilians.

        ““Pose yourself one question,” he told the journalists,” What would the world, what would Mr.Obama, what would the President in Belgium or France say, if Palestinian militants had killed 287 Israeli children and injured 2164 Israeli children in three weeks. What would their reaction have been. You know the answer,” he said.”

        That explains it all.

      • kalithea
        July 31, 2014, 3:03 am

        If the ICC takes up this case, and I know there will be all kinds of manipulation, coercion and even threats to suppress it; but if they have the guts to go ahead with this; then those innocent civilians: men, women and children will have died so that their people can have justice and maybe that first victory; which impact will be felt worldwide will lead to greater reparation and finally freedom. Theirs is the greatest of all sacrifices and we all owe it to those innocents; the persecuted under this brutal occupation, to fight for that justice with the truth. One can only hope they didn’t die such a brutal death in vain as so many before them did; but hope is not enough.

        I wrote a comment at 6:57 that still hasn’t shown up. Maybe, it’s an oversight.

        Whether its posted or not, I know what I wrote is the truth; it’s brutal; it’s ugly; and it might be inflammatory, but it’s still the truth: this hi-tech military assault on Gaza’s people is the product of collective genocidal intent revived by supremacist ideology. Do we have the luxury, while so many innocents are dying, to pussyfoot around with people’s sensitivities, when for the most part those feelings are based on extreme selfishness and inhumanity, and irrational paranoia and hubris?

        Before Allison wrote her Gaza – Guernica piece, I was the first to make that intuitive connection (check my comment history). I never mentioned that on her thread because I was just very glad she picked up on it; I didn’t want to boast in that context. She got it too; and I believe all things happen for a reason – I’m a believer in prophetic occurences.

        As far as the bombing of the open air market in Gaza yesterday, there were dead horses and donkeys everywhere aside from the slaughtered humans. – this tragedy that occured yesterday is prophetic symbolism. By prophetic, I don’t mean wacky, I mean that this tragic incident happened after it was first envisioned in drawing an intuitive connection to a similar historical event. This marketplace bombing reinforced that intuitive connection/analogy; perhaps because the universe is begging us to SEE it this way! When life imitates art validating intuition it’s the ah-ha moment meant to draw everyone’s attention to see a pattern; to make us get it–truth. This powerful silent message translates; this is a sign, a prophetic sign, to STOP the madness that this state, Israel, is descending into. Remember, this marketplace bombing happened when people were unsuspectingly getting food DURING THE TRUCE, and I made the Guernica analogy that has the unsuspecting civilians in a marketplace as the main theater of attack by the Nazis BEFORE yesterdays marketplace bombing happened in Gaza, a sign that we are correct to assume the worst about what’s happening in Israel. It’s like the universe saying: this happened to validate the threat you perceive; it’s real; you’re 6th sense was 100% correct; believe it and tell it like it is before it’s too late. But I guess, Jews are not ready to hear the truth.

        We all know there’s a monumental deception happening with regards to Israel and Zionism that only the truth will defeat, but if we suppress what we’re seeing; if we think: nawwwh, it can’t be; that’s not what’s happening here…history repeating itself, dare we express it? True it can go either of two ways, both disastrous. Either Zionists/Israelis are turning into their own worst fear, OR they’re bringing on what they fear by using evil to get what they want. If we deny this is a collective descent into the insanity of supremacist ideology, and indulge it because we fear Zionist methods of suppressing truth; then we are complicit. What if supremacy with inhumane/genocidal intent; triggers self-destruction or decimation?

        The greatest challenge to the truth is that Zionists have a weapon almost as powerful as the truth ready to defeat it and this is also why Israeli Apartheid is much worse than South African Apartheid. The Afrikaners weren’t able to : milk the most tragic reference in their their recent history together with fear stoked by Islamophobia to legitimize their Apartheid. Using such a reference ramped up with Islamophobia to suppress the truth, destroy the lives of others, and even the reputations of those critical of this injustice and then to shield evil is a serious detriment ESPECIALLY if Jews are enjoying unprecedented security and material success in the Diaspora which makes the deception to justify genocidal intent, i.e. a collective mindset driven by racist fear that spawns hatred, even more destructive.

        There is a serious moral challenge here for Jews, in other words only two choices here: good or evil and genocidal intent is definitely not based on the former, and no, there is no “Zionist liberal” choice that converts Zionism into something good that everyone can run to for cover, because that choice is not reality-based, defies all fact, logic and empirical history.

        Only rectifying the past and present wrong (understatement) done to Palestinians will bring peace and that means the end Zionism, if the intention was for Israel to be a Jewish State. I wonder what Jews would choose if the moral question were as follows: Either you choose the end of Zionism or the end of Judaism? What’s it gonna be? I suspect that it’ll boil down to this dilema; but let’s not forget; Zionism is an irresistable magnetic force, as in, the most powerful temptation for Jews since the apple was to Eve, so…(to be continued)

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2014, 2:27 pm

        kalithea, truth be told, when we’re really backed up on comments and people are waiting long periods of time, i can clear ten of them in the time it takes me to clear a long one like yours. plus, you have the habit, unlike others, to discuss topics that many find very inflammatory which means they have to be read carefully. that is why you have to wait longer than other people. your comments that run 8 paragraphs discussing final solution , nazis, zionism, genocide, jews, sometimes get passed by until someone takes the time to read them in full. and having just read two of them i think i’ll move on to another thread and clear it before reading another.

      • kalithea
        July 31, 2014, 3:22 pm

        Thank you for your response. I do hope you get to the others, as I put a lot into them. But I appreciate what you do here.

      • Hostage
        August 1, 2014, 7:53 am

        If the ICC takes up this case, and I know there will be all kinds of manipulation, coercion and even threats to suppress it; but if they have the guts to go ahead with this; then those innocent civilians: men, women and children will have died so that their people can have justice and maybe that first victor

        There’s finally a declaration with a long list of international legal scholars condemning the government of Israel and the IDF for war crimes and calling for action by the ICC, that has signatures of quite a few Palestinian solidarity activists who have been missing in action up until now. Victor Kattan and Susan Akram have signed several of these, but there are quite a few people on this one who have opposed the necessary UN statehood initiative or who gave up on real judicial efforts and pursued political action through devices like the Russell Tribunal. They have finally added their names to the list and have stopped blaming everything on Abbas:

        – Moreover, we denounce the shameful political pressures exerted by several UN Member States and the UN on President Mahmoud Abbas, to discourage recourse to the International Criminal Court (ICC), and we urge the Governmental leaders of Palestine to invoke the jurisdiction of the ICC, by ratifying the ICC treaty and in the interim by resubmitting the declaration under Article 12(3) of the Rome Statute, in order to investigate and prosecute the serious international crimes committed on the Palestinian territory by all parties to the conflict; and

        – The UN Security Council must finally exercise its responsibilities in relation to peace and justice by referring the situation in Palestine to the Prosecutor of the ICC.”

        link to imemc.org

        The Palestinian Justice Minister and the Gaza Prosecutor did resubmit a declaration and complaint last Friday. Note that a mere accession to the Rome Statute has no retroactive effects and that a 12(3) declaration does, but can only be filed by a non-member state before it joins the Court. So there should be no rush to file an accession until the Prosecutor agrees to investigate Israels past crimes too.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 8:01 am

        “They have finally added their names to the list and have stopped blaming everything on Abbas”

        I guess ‘better late than never’ fits here.

      • Hostage
        August 1, 2014, 3:52 pm

        I guess ‘better late than never’ fits here.

        I certainly think so. Accepting the existence of the occupied state of Palestine for the purposes of prosecuting Israel for the crime of apartheid has nothing to do with accepting the viability of the existing territorial entity or the finality of a two state solution. In fact, the Zionists may prefer a one state solution to mounting a defense of Israel’s persecution of Arabs at home and abroad. The notion that the two countries borders are disputed cuts both ways and can be used to open the whole can of worms in either the ICC or the ICJ.

      • kalithea
        July 31, 2014, 3:41 am

        Again my corrected version disappeared somewhere, sooo this is the one I intended:

        If the ICC takes up this case, and I know there will be all kinds of manipulation, coercion and even threats to suppress it; but if they have the guts to go ahead with this; then those innocent civilians: men, women and children will have died so that their people can have justice and maybe that first victory; which impact will be felt worldwide will lead to greater reparation and finally freedom. Theirs is the greatest of all sacrifices and we all owe it to those innocents; the persecuted under this brutal occupation, to fight for that justice with the truth. One can only hope they didn’t die such a brutal death in vain as so many before them did; but hope is not enough.

        I wrote a comment at 6:57 that still hasn’t shown up. Maybe, it’s an oversight.

        Whether it’s posted or not, I know what I wrote is the truth; it’s brutal; it’s ugly; and it might be inflammatory, but it’s still the truth: this hi-tech military assault on Gaza’s people is the product of collective genocidal intent revived by supremacist ideology. Do we have the luxury, while so many innocents are dying, to pussyfoot around with people’s sensitivities, when for the most part those feelings are based on extreme selfishness and inhumanity, and irrational paranoia and hubris?

        Before Allison wrote her Gaza – Guernica piece, I was the first to make that intuitive connection (check my comment history). I never mentioned that on her thread because I was just very glad she picked up on it; I didn’t want to boast in that context. She got it too; and I believe all things happen for a reason – I’m a believer in prophetic occurrences.
        As far as the bombing of the open air market in Gaza yesterday, there were dead horses and donkeys everywhere aside from the slaughtered humans. – this tragedy that occurred yesterday is prophetic symbolism. By prophetic, I don’t mean wacky, I mean that this tragic incident happened after it was first envisioned by drawing an intuitive connection to a similar historical event. This marketplace bombing reinforced that intuitive connection/analogy; perhaps because the universe is begging us to SEE it this way! When life imitates art validating intuition it’s the ah-ha moment meant to draw everyone’s attention to see a pattern; to make us get it–truth. This powerful silent message translates; this is a sign, a prophetic sign, to STOP the madness that this state, Israel, is descending into. Remember, this marketplace bombing happened when people were unsuspectingly getting food DURING THE TRUCE, and I made the Guernica analogy that has the unsuspecting civilians in a marketplace as the main theater of attack by the Nazis BEFORE yesterday’s marketplace bombing happened in Gaza, a sign that we are correct to assume the worst about what’s happening in Israel. It’s like the universe saying: this happened to validate the threat you perceive; it’s real; you’re 6th sense was 100% correct; believe it and tell it like it is before it’s too late. But I guess, Jews are not ready to hear the truth.

        We all know there’s a monumental deception happening with regards to Israel and Zionism that only the truth will defeat, but if we suppress what we’re perceiving intuitively; if we think: nawwwh, it can’t be; that’s not what’s happening here…history repeating itself, dare we express it? True it can go either of two ways, both disastrous. Either Zionists/Israelis are turning into their own worst fear—supremacist monsters, OR they’re bringing on what they fear by using evil to get what they want. If we deny this is a collective descent into the insanity of supremacist ideology, and indulge it because we fear Zionist methods of suppressing truth; then we are complicit not only with the destruction of Palestinians but also with the eventual destructions of Jews. What if supremacy with inhumane/genocidal intent; triggers self-destruction or decimation?

        The greatest challenge to the truth is that Zionists have a weapon almost as powerful as the truth ready to defeat it and this is also why Israeli Apartheid is much worse than South African Apartheid. The Afrikaners weren’t able to : milk the most tragic reference in their recent history together with fear stoked by Islamophobia to legitimize their Apartheid. Using such a reference ramped up with Islamophobia to suppress the truth, destroy the lives of others, and even the reputations of those critical of this injustice and then to shield evil with is a serious detriment ESPECIALLY if Jews are enjoying unprecedented security and material success in the Diaspora which makes the deception to justify genocidal intent, i.e. a collective mindset driven by racist fear that spawns hatred, even more destructive and irrational to say the least.

        There is a serious moral challenge here for Jews, in other words only two choices here: good or evil and genocidal intent is definitely not based on the former, and no, there is no “Zionist liberal” choice that converts Zionism into something good that everyone can run to for cover, because that choice is not reality-based, defies all fact, logic and empirical history.

        Only rectifying the past and present wrong (understatement) done to Palestinians will bring peace and that means the end Zionism, if the intention was for Israel to be a Jewish State. I wonder what Jews would choose if the moral question were as follows: Either you choose the end of Zionism or the end of Judaism? What’s it gonna be? I suspect that it’ll boil down to this dilemma; but let’s not forget; Zionism is an irresistible magnetic force, as in, the most powerful temptation for Jews since the apple was same to Eve, so…(to be continued)

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 3:38 pm

        (to be continued)

        have mercy on the mods kalithea

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:15 pm

        Picasso’s painting of Guernica united the highest political issues of the time with fine art the medium. Make no mistake, there will be Guernica II. Not sure which technical artist type of expression it will manifest itself in. The I-P conflict is the new context for the most core injustice in our time now, in terms of having the widest reverberation; it feeds into more than anything else–the cry for the most basic sort of justice.

    • ritzl
      July 30, 2014, 8:37 pm

      Thanks, just.

    • Hostage
      July 31, 2014, 6:44 am

      There’s a reading of the declaration and the charges plus a picture of the documents here via RT link to youtube.com

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 7:09 am

        Many thanks.

  35. Bumblebye
    July 30, 2014, 8:08 pm

    I hope Ms Bensouda pulls her finger out and ACTS this time. If there’s a matter of ICC funding to consider, I bet people would pull together to crowdfund this.

  36. Citizen
    July 30, 2014, 8:45 pm

    Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes · 15m
    Guy’s got me pegged link to twitter.com
    kppotatoes @kppotatoes
    Chris Hayes, a yuppie who sucks up to his Zionist boss at MSNBC
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  37. reportcheets
    July 30, 2014, 9:06 pm

    Martin Luther King has so rightly said, “The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.

  38. Kay24
    July 30, 2014, 10:40 pm

    Boteach the rabbi is spewing about how Israel is getting a bad rap, and that the UN secretary did not condemn Syria and Russia, like he did Israel. They are discussing the rise of anti semitic attacks due to the Israeli attack on Gaza, and Boteach is trying hard to project Israel as the poor victim here. Ziokaria seems to be trying be so amiable and in sync with what Boteach says.
    Bibi may wage his bloody wars, but he does not care that Israel’s brutal assault on Gaza is having a negative impact on Jewish folk around the world, and that the dislike of what he is doing may make people in other nations turn on innocent Jewish people.
    It is similar to Muslims all over the world being attacked and lumped into the same category as Muslim extremists. The innocent always pays for what is done in their name.

    • oldgeezer
      July 30, 2014, 11:52 pm

      It is having a negative impact on Jewish people around the world but I have issues with that reality. I don’t see that all of a group should be held to blame for actions of others within that group.

      The funny (not haha) thing about it is that major proponents of the attacks on Muslims and how everyone within that religion (can we call it ethnic if Judaism is a ethnicity) or ethnicity should be held to account or be required to speak up against others or be held to be complicit have been zionist/Israeli supporters, at least on the internet. There is a much larger world of course, but to the extent that the internet reflects life, zionists may be helping to create the grounds and environment in which all Jewish people may be held to account for the sins of the zionists/Israel (and no, I won’t agree with that either).

      I truly feel zionists, by ignoring international law etc, are dragging the world back a hundred years or more and making it a more dangerous place for us all.

      (offtopic but if I might and I’m not trying to distract but it appears Greece is moving down the racist road yet again. Similar to a court judgement we might expect in Israel link to theguardian.com )

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2014, 2:37 pm

        old geezer, that guardian link is so abhorrent i’m completely astounded.

      • eljay
        July 31, 2014, 2:54 pm

        >> oldgeezer: (offtopic but if I might and I’m not trying to distract but it appears Greece is moving down the racist road yet again. Similar to a court judgement we might expect in Israel link to theguardian.com )

        The correct solution to this shameful act of injustice and immorality is justice and accountability.

        The incorrect solution – the Zio-supremacist solution – would be for:
        – Bangladeshi strawberry pickers (BSP) to use terrorism and ethnic cleansing to create a supremacist “BSP State”; and/or
        – Greece to insist that things in Greece aren’t as bad as they are in Saudi Arabia, Israel and African “hell-holes”.

    • Citizen
      July 31, 2014, 5:32 am

      @ Kay24

      Is there anybody more puky than “America’s rabbi?” Maybe Dershie? They both make me puke.

  39. Taxi
    July 30, 2014, 11:29 pm

    While Hamas is actively mano-to-mano seeking out idf soldiers on the battlefield, the vindictive and cowardly idf is actively seeking to slaughter snoozing children.

    Israel’s savagery and terrorism is destabilizing the world as we know it. Expect an expansion of this conflict as a reaction to psychotic zionist crimes against humanity.

    It would appear that only a total military defeat of the idf can put a stop to israel’s wanton blood and mortar orgy. I welcome this – and not a moment too soon.

    • Shingo
      July 31, 2014, 6:19 pm

      Israel’s savagery and terrorism is destabilizing the world as we know it.

      How so Taxi? All the Sunni Arabs are lining up to congratulate and thank Israel, especially Egypt. Never in the history of the conflict have we witnessed such a unanimous betrayal by the Arabs of Palestinians.

      There has not been a peep from the Arab world, let alone evidence of any foreign fighters wanting to join the fray. They’re to busy trying to eradicate Shiites and Sunni’s who don’t share their specific interpretation of the Koran.

      So what may I ask, is being destabilized?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2014, 6:39 pm

        There has not been a peep from the Arab world, let alone evidence of any foreign fighters wanting to join the fray.

        hmm.i was just in lebanon for a couple weeks. there are definitely peeps over there. and i believe nasrallah recently made a speech. plus, i think it’s out in the open now hezbollah was training hamas. that’s what the analysts are saying on tv there. and did you see the protests in yemen i posted yesterday on the worldwide photo post? there’s one for egypt too.

        plus we’ve got photos from tunisia which reminds me to add at least one from their big protest last friday.

        link to gettyimages.co.uk

        and there have been protests in pakistan and turkey (albeit not ‘the arab world’)

        i dare say iraq is not really in a position to do much right now, nor syria.

        but iran (albeit not the arab world)just have a big rally for palestine and even rouhani joined the protest.

        i think there’s a lot of talk in the region of it turning into a large regional war if/when this escalates. there’s probably some planning in that direction but it’s too early.

        i think nasrallah said something to the effect that hamas was the only militant foothold in palestine and there for it could not fall. i can check for you. but he made a speech recently, i watched it.

        How so Taxi? All the Sunni Arabs are lining up to congratulate and thank Israel

        hmm, not all of them. are you talking about the dictators or the arab street?

        i see lots of arabs at these protests. why would you think none of them are sunni?:

        link to mondoweiss.net

        there was just a huge protest in afghanistan for palestine (where between 80 and 85 percent of muslims are sunni ) even nbc news wrote about it.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 6:50 pm

        thanks Annie!

      • Walid
        August 1, 2014, 12:01 am

        Annie, Shingo is talking about the Sunnis in particular; Hizbullah and Iran are both Shia and they back Hamas in spite of it being fundamentalist Sunni because both put the welfare of Palestinians ahead of their own sectarian welfare. As to the remaining Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan, they stand behind Saudia in whatever it decides and in the case of Hamas, it is firmly against it because it’s against anything that has to do with the Muslim Brotherhood that it has outlawed and from which Hamas is issued.

        From a Jeffrey Goldberg interview last November in Bloomberg to a question if the Sunni loathed Iran more than they loathed Israel, Saudi Prince al-Waleed answered:

        “Look, Iran is a huge threat, historically speaking,” he said. “The Persian empire was always against the Muslim Arab empire, especially against the Sunnis. The threat is from Persia, not from Israel. This was a great empire ruling the whole neighborhood. I’ll tell you something — they are in Bahrain, they are in Iraq, they are in Syria, they are with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas, which is Sunni, in Gaza. They are intruding into these areas. King Abdullah of Jordan had a good statement on this — he said that a Shiite crescent begins from Iran, through Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and goes down to Palestine, to Hamas.”

        link to bloomberg.com

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 1:28 am

        walid, i just watched the interview w/mashaal on charlie rose. rose asked him about ISIS, one of the distinctions he made was that hamas were not fundamentalists. i know that doesn’t address lots of your comment but i just thought i’d point that out. and i’m not so sure i’d trust Saudi Prince al-Waleed on the heartbeat of sunni arab people. he’s the 26th-richest man in the world. how does he speak to the arab street?

      • Walid
        August 1, 2014, 3:35 am

        Annie, Hamas is a slightly milder form of Wahhabi fundamentalism since it’s an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that’s itself a mild form of Wahhabi fundamentalism such as is practiced in Qatar, so you could say that Hamas is a fundamentalist of some sort as it’s for the hijab, no girls on bikes or in roadside cafés or smoking and not being allowed to be coiffed by a man and so on. If you were to compare them to the ultra Wahhabi fundamentalists of Saudi Arabia or the super ultra fundamentalists of head-cutting ISIS, you could conclude that in comparison, Hamas is not ay all fundamentalist, which is what probably Mashaal was hinting at.

        The Saudi prince speaks for the Saudis and not at all for the other Sunnis, especially that the man is half-Lebanese on his mother’s side. His maternal grandfather was Lebanon’s first Prime Minister.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 12:15 pm

        As to the remaining Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan, they stand behind Saudia in whatever it decides and in the case of Hamas, it is firmly against it because it’s against anything that has to do with the Muslim Brotherhood that it has outlawed and from which Hamas is issued.

        link to mondoweiss.net

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 12:29 am

        hmm.i was just in lebanon for a couple weeks. there are definitely peeps over there. and i believe nasrallah recently made a speech. plus, i think it’s out in the open now hezbollah was training hamas.

        Annie,

        I should have reiterated that I was referring to the Subni Arab states. Hezbollah has been the one exception. I don’t really include Hezbollah on that insidious group, seeing as Hezbollah are persona non grata.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 1:30 am

        shingo, there was also a really good comment by matthew graber on one of these threads. maybe i’ll go look for it when i get a chance.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 1, 2014, 6:01 am

        Annie, Hamas is a slightly milder form of Wahhabi fundamentalism since it’s an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that’s itself a mild form of Wahhabi fundamentalism such as is practiced in Qatar, so you could say that Hamas is a fundamentalist of some sort as it’s for the hijab, no girls on bikes or in roadside cafés or smoking and not being allowed to be coiffed by a man and so on. If you were to compare them to the ultra Wahhabi fundamentalists of Saudi Arabia or the super ultra fundamentalists of head-cutting ISIS, you could conclude that in comparison, Hamas is not ay all fundamentalist, which is what probably Mashaal was hinting at.

        I think the ‘fundamentalist’ and ‘extremist’ labels of Hamas have obfuscated things in the sense that they mixed the internal and external aspects of Hamas. If Israel were to negotiate with a resistance movement it is of little concern to them how Hamas wants to arrange their domestic environment. The part that matters is politics towards Israel, and there the goals of Hamas are a moderate starting point for negotiations . At the time of the Hamas charter you could say ok, generic anticolonial attitude: all colonists out, plus some offensive theories. But nothing’s left of that. I don’t want or expect others to see it that way but that’s what I think. There is a also a distinction between method and goal. Their methods have been extreme during the intifada. Their current methods can be classified as warcrimes but considering the circumstances I’m not enthusiastic about condemning them for it either. I also don’t expect anyone to follow me there. I think keeping the focus in method over goal is a way of distorting the issue. It matters, but if you’re looking for solutions it should not be central.

        In the current onslaught on Gaza Israel manages to carry all the blame on pretext(false pretext), on method(Dahiya doctrine -or worse) and on goal(turning Gaza into a permanent dedeveloped refugee camp).

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:26 pm

        RE: “How so Taxi? All the Sunni Arabs are lining up to congratulate and thank Israel

        hmm, not all of them. are you talking about the dictators or the arab street?”

        The Arab Street has always supported the Palestinan people. The big oil Arab clans, such as Saud, are aware of that. They always have to work to support Israel without appearing to do so. The US is never supportive of the Arab Street; the US elite 1% always support said clans. It’s pretty much the same in S America and Africa–you can always count on the US government to support whatever tyrannical regime is in power against the poor masses. Why, it’s the same in the USA. USSR died, and for good reason. But what’s left in the West is in every state a form of facism, that is government and big corporations partnering to skim everything valuable off the top, at the expense of the masses; the main media is always Goebbels but in Bernays form.

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 7:26 pm

        hmm, not all of them. are you talking about the dictators or the arab street?”

        With the exception of Lebanon, the Arab street is deathly silent.

      • Justpassingby
        August 1, 2014, 7:46 am

        Taxi is the problem with arab nations in general, too sectarian.
        People like taxi are the ones leading the arab world, from sisi, to abdullah in saudi and jordanian regimes. Poor palestinians having such backstabbing neighbours.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 12:08 pm

        Poor palestinians having such backstabbing neighbours.
        link to haaretz.com

        5:51 P.M. Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah broke his silence on Friday over the three-week-old conflict in Gaza, condemning what he saw as international silence over Israel’s offensive and describing this as a war crime and “state-sponsored terrorism”.

        Saudi Arabia, which regards itself as a leader of the Sunni Muslim world, has played only a background role in the diplomacy to reinstate calm in Gaza, leaving the main Arab pursuit of a ceasefire to close ally Egypt and fellow Gulf monarchy Qatar.

        “We see the blood of our brothers in Palestine shed in collective massacres that did not exclude anyone, and war crimes against humanity without scruples, humanity or morality,” Abdullah said in a brief speech read out on his behalf on state television.

        “This (international) community, which has observed silently what is happening in the whole region, has been indifferent to what is happening, as if what is happening is not its concern. Silence that has no justification.”

        His speech, which focused mainly on what he described as a Middle East-wide threat from Islamist militancy, followed criticism by some Saudis on social media, including prominent clerics, over Riyadh’s quiet response to the Gaza crisis. (Reuters)

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 12:19 pm

        Thanks Annie– I just read that. Welcome words.

      • Walid
        August 1, 2014, 1:55 pm

        Annie, why the 3 week silence and delay to react? Egypt is currently on Saudi life-support, which means that whatever Saudis dictate, such as flinging the Rafah doors wide open would be immediately implemented. But there won’t be such a call coming. A phone call from the Saudis to Washington would cause Israel’s onslaught to stop within the hour. But there won’t be such a call coming. But lots of criticism of the rest of the world for doing nothing during the 3 weeks of Israel’s slaughter of civilians, especially innocent children. The Arab League must be on summer break; tough break for the people of Gaza. The last time the League did anything concrete was to back the UN-NATO bombing of Libya (even sent in a few F16s to join in the bombing of a fellow League member state) and to suspend Syria’s membership in the League, but with what Israel is doing to Gaza, nothing.

        Lieberman shooting off his mouth about clandestine meetings with Arab leaders in anticipation of the attack on Gaza could have something to do with it. Qatar’s newspapers, that are pro-Gaza of course, had a field day with stories of involvement by UAE/Dahlan. Hard to tell if its just anti-Arab propaganda or if there’s something behind these stories or if anyone actually believed them. According to the story, people met and discussed with Lieberman the war on Gaza before the bodies of the 3 teens were discovered on June 30th, which makes Israel’s motives behind punishing Hamas for the 3 teens (without any proof) even more suspect.

        link to gulfinthemedia.com

      • Hostage
        August 1, 2014, 4:20 pm

        LIVE UPDATES: Obama says Israeli soldier must be freed ‘unconditionally’

        Where was the Ass-Hat-In-Chief when Israel refused to release that last batch of Palestinian prisoners in accordance with the decade old Taba Agreement and Secretary of State Kerry’s written assurances?

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 7:25 pm

        Where was the Ass-Hat-In-Chief when Israel refused to release that last batch of Palestinian prisoners in accordance with the decade old Taba Agreement and Secretary of State Kerry’s written assurances?

        Where was he when Israel arrested 500 Palestinians in Gaza under the false pretense of trying to find the 3 kidnapped boys?

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:30 pm

        Not hard to understand Saud klan. One gold-encrusted bumper on one of their Mercedes is worth more than a thousand average annual SA average citizens welfare dole and/or government wages.

      • Taxi
        August 1, 2014, 1:00 pm

        Justpassingby,

        People like taxi are the ones leading the arab world, from sisi, to abdullah in saudi and jordanian regimes.

        LOL! Me, I, moi – I’m “sectarian” and “leading the arab word:”? LOL! Suuuuuuure I am LOL!

        Pathetic attempt at discrediting me. Try again. But please, try not to bring down the intellectual real estate value of this neighborhood.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 1:13 pm

        i have to say taxi, i did get a chuckle out of that! lol ;)

      • Taxi
        August 1, 2014, 1:26 pm

        annie,

        I bet justpasssingby sticks pins into a ragdoll he’s called Taxi as a solution to liberating Palestine.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 1:30 pm

        Holy moley, are you saying that Taxi has all that power?

        JPB– get a grip!

  40. Henry Norr
    July 31, 2014, 12:58 am

    I clicked the link in Alex’s post to Jesse Rosenfeld’s article in the Daily Beast about last week’s Israeli bombing of an UNRWA school/shelter, the one in Beit Hanoun. One of the people Rosenfeld interviews is a guy named Attaf Rafik Hammud, who had his leg shredded in that attack. The article concludes:

    As for Hammud, when his shrapnel-filled leg mends enough for him to leave the hospital, he will not have a home to return to. He doesn’t think it will be safe to return to Beit Hanoun and despite the attacks that UNRWA facilities have been facing, he likely will end up in another one.
    “I will go to stay in a school in the Jaballiya refugee camp,” he said. “God willing, I’ll be safe there.”

    Unfortunately, God wasn’t willing. I wonder whether Hammud survived.

  41. Walid
    July 31, 2014, 1:07 am

    Bolivia yesterday declared Israel a terrorist state and revoked its visa-exemption treaty that had been in effect since 1972.

    Israel’s destruction of Gaza’s one and only electricity generating plant with its 2 million liters of fuel effectively shut down all electricity to water filtration, sewage disposal, food refrigeration and power to hospitals and to the 1.8 million residents, leaving all of these with a trickle of power from mobile diesel generators that are about to run out of fuel too.

    • Citizen
      July 31, 2014, 5:43 am

      @ Walid
      Not to worry, I see Detroit’s new renters and home owners are being billed for the water bills unpaid by former renters and home owners. Thus, lots of Palestinian Americans getting their water cut off in Detroit metro. See, it’s all fair and square across the board!

    • Kay24
      July 31, 2014, 7:25 am

      I think we can conclude that they are indeed a terrorist state. They are disregarding international laws, and viciously bombing civilians. They are just like terrorists.
      Good for Bolivia.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 7:33 am

        It’s not just Bolivia!

        “LIMA, Peru and JERUSALEM — Latin American nations are expressing their revulsion at the bloodshed in Gaza — and squarely pinning the blame on Israel.

        Chile, Peru and El Salvador said this week they are recalling their ambassadors from Israel for consultation. That was after Ecuador and Brazil did the same last week.

        And on Wednesday, Bolivian President Evo Morales declared Israel a “terrorist state.”

        So, why are they doing it?

        In a statement on Tuesday, Chile condemned Hamas for launching rockets at Israeli towns, but slammed the Israel Defense Forces’ bombardment of Palestinian civilians.

        “The Israeli military operations in Gaza … do not respect the fundamental norms of international humanitarian law, as is demonstrated by the more than 1,000 civilian victims, including women and children, as well as the attack on schools and hospitals,” the Chilean statement said.

        Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff described the Israeli offensive as a “massacre” and accused the government in Tel Aviv of responding “disproportionately” to Hamas violence.

        The Israeli government responded Wednesday that it’s “disappointed.”

        “El Salvador, Chile and Peru would have been much better advised to promote the international move intended to assist Israel in its efforts to defend innocent civilians and instate a durable ceasefire with the demilitarization of Gaza,” Israel’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

        Privately, a senior Israeli official told GlobalPost, “They are all very far away and don’t really know what is going on, and Brazil, for its own reasons, is pressuring them. Our situation doesn’t really have any effect on them, and their action, it goes without saying, has no effect on our region.”

        “It remains to be seen how long these consultations will last, that they don’t end up removing their ambassadors indefinitely,” the diplomat said.

        He questioned why they’d do this in Israel and not in other problem countries like Russia, Iran or Syria.

        Arnoldo Kraus, a surgeon and columnist in Mexican newspaper El Universal, summed up many Latin Americans’ views on Israel-Palestine when he condemned Hamas but described Israel’s treatment of the Arabs as “racist” and the Jewish settlements on Palestinian land as “nauseating.”

        He added: “The pictures of dead children horrify. … It’s impossible not to feel compassion for the suffering of the Palestinians and disdain towards the Israeli army.””

        link to globalpost.com

    • Chu
      July 31, 2014, 9:30 am

      And all the targeted UN safe areas. It’s terrorism.

  42. RepresentativePress
    July 31, 2014, 2:09 am

    I’m doing what I can to get amplify the message, here is one ofhris Gunness’s latest tweets which I feature in this video: link to youtu.be
    “UNRWA is overwhelmed in #Gaza we have reached breaking point, our staff are being killed our shelters overflowing. Where will it end? RT”
    He tweeted this recently about the interview featured in the above video: “There r times when tears speak more eloquently than words. Mine pale into insignificance compared with #Gaza’s”

  43. HarryLaw
    July 31, 2014, 2:43 am

    Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Tzahi Hinegbi said “the UN had no right to complain when Israel attacked any of their schools at this point” There you have it, Israel is telling the world that Hospitals and schools are legitimate targets. For all the horror they are committing on their Palestinian victims, the Palestinians can be assured payback is coming. link to news.antiwar.com

  44. Justpassingby
    July 31, 2014, 2:53 am

    Just some hours ago Israel bombed a school again!

  45. G. Seauton
    July 31, 2014, 2:59 am

    Watch this interview with Henry Siegman on Democracy Now! Siegman refutes all of Israel’s major propaganda points quite effectively. A must-see!

    link to democracynow.org

    • Citizen
      August 1, 2014, 4:33 pm

      @ G. Seauton
      Yeah, it’s accurate. Good for him. I notice he’s being asked to appear as a pundit on the US mass media TV news/infotainment show. Will Daily Show have him as a guest? I doubt it. Jon S still knows on which side his kosher bread is buttered. Yeah, I know, irony even in the metaphor or simile.

  46. RoHa
    July 31, 2014, 3:53 am

    UNRWA spokesman Chris Guinness broke down when trying to give an interview to Al Jazeera. The clip was repeated on Channel 10 news, so a chunk of Australia has seen it. (I don’t know whether the other channels have shown it as well.)

    link to m.youtube.com

    • RoHa
      July 31, 2014, 7:25 am

      And I see that clip has already been posted a couple of times.

  47. CloakAndDagger
    July 31, 2014, 4:16 am

    link to dailypaul.com

    Bolivia Declares Israel a Terrorist State; Renounces Visa Exemption
    Submitted by Veritas Aequitas on Wed, 07/30/2014 – 14:01
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    LA PAZ: Bolivia on Wednesday renounced a visa exemption agreement with Israel in protest over its offensive in Gaza, and declared it a terrorist state.

    President Evo Morales announced the move during a talk with a group of educators in the city of Cochabamba.

    It “means, in other words, we are declaring (Israel) a terrorist state,” he said.

    The treaty has allowed Israelis to travel freely to Bolivia without a visa since 1972.

    Morales said the Gaza offensive shows “that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community.”

  48. kalithea
    July 31, 2014, 4:16 am

    Yes, there is a serious moral challenge here for Jews: Do you succumb to primitive, irrational fear and shape the world into the image of those fears as is happening through evil towards others: ethnic cleansing, death and destruction justified through deception, or do you act on behalf of your humanity, admit that a grave injustice happened on your behalf and reverse that injustice not only for the sake of the Palestinians, but for the sake of all mankind?
    Some analysts think that if Israel destroys Hamas; Hamas will be replaced by ISIS. If that’s the case, which is based in precedent, since every time Israel destroys a Palestinian resistance group it refuses to negotiate with; a more rigid resistance emerges, we will definitely end up with a case of two parties with genocidal intent and believe me it’ll end badly for all. There’s no doubt in my mind that Zionists stupidly see such an outcome i.e. a clash of civilizations as the end game giving Zionists and their enablers total hegemony in the Middle East.
    Or is alluding to ISIS as being a potential threat for Israel merely disturbing psy-ops propaganda intended to demonize the Palestinian people by Sunni/Islam association in order to justify murdering civilians because they are ISIS-associated, or worse to make appear to the world as Israelis see the Palestinians – Amalek?
    Here’s an even bolder theory: If Israel is the cradle of Christian Civilization will it end up being the graveyard of Judaism? Imagine that this is what Christian Zionists are trying to induce intentionally or unintentionally: they and their predecessors create a fantasyland, i.e. promised land to indulge Zionists in the midst/heart of the Muslim world that lures Jews in droves and fill it up with a false sense of security; hi-tech weapons and a nuclear arsenal, and decades later as a result of some karmic reversal/detriment Judaism comes to an end through, Zionism, an irresistible force based on greed/lust for land, crimes against others, and shocking inhumanity that sets in motion a self-fulfilling prophecy of destruction. Remember, that the nuclear arsenal Israel has cannot be used if the threat is mere kilometers away unless of course Israelis want to annihilate themselves in the process of totally destroying the enemy. So why is it not all Zionists prefer to live in Israel, but yet keep pushing this humungous blunder forward? Are they using their Israeli counterparts as guinea pigs or something in the Zionism experiment?

    • Annie Robbins
      August 1, 2014, 3:22 pm

      kalithea, could you put spaces between your paragraphs on these long posts. for me? please thanks.

  49. kalithea
    July 31, 2014, 6:10 am

    For everyone great and small, powerful and not-so-much; stop and think about this simple and yet profound fact: The people of Gaza; men, women, children and even Hamas are willing to go as far as be slaughtered in their sleep by Israel’s bombs to have the barbaric inhumane blockade Israelis have imposed on their concentration camp, lifted.

    The men, women and children of Gaza including Hamas are willing to dig, scratch and claw away the earth inch by inch underground into tunnels, day after day for months and years, tunneling away with no end in sight, to resist the inhumanity Zionists have imposed on them with the blockade and occupation. Just imagine their level of desperation and yet strength to carry on? I can’t – it’s inconceivable to me.

    And this is for Zionists of all stripes, because all share responsibility for prolonging the suffering of Palestinians, on the right, non-existent left and center and you too Scarlett and I don’t mean, O’Hara: if you think there’s no punishment in God’s earth for the pain you’re inflicting on innocents with such a despicable crime as to rob people of their humanity to this extent; then you might just believe there’s nothing and no one superior to you and you fear no one, and nothing, not the rule of law, not even God.

    But most of us who live on this planet know that there is punishment in this life for wickedness; whether it’s sent by God or some karmic force.

    So God help those who rob men, women and children of their humanity to such a degree as to force them to resort to such desperate acts as digging, clawing and scratching for their humanity and then, after surviving yet another day in the years of inhumanity forced upon them, lay down in their homes and even in shelters, where from experience, they know they’re not really safe, and wait for Israel to murder them rather than cower before Zionism and surrender their will to be free!

    If you Zionists really believe you’ll celebrate any kind of victory after you’ve committed these barbaric acts against a deprived, repeatedly persecuted and captive people whose spirit is so much more resilient and who are more resourceful than you foolishly calculated them to be, then you’re even more delusional than I ever imagined. God help you Zionists, and those who grovel to help you deceive the world to commit a crime of this magnitude.

    And one more thing, you know the expression: It’s not the crime; it’s the cover-up?

    The magnitude of that cover-up/deception that allowed this to go on for this long will determine your fate and in my opinion, this is the most monumental deception know to man! And here’s a question you have yet to decipher: What kind of people deprived of so much for so long are able to resist getting crushed repeatedly by one of the most heavily-armed nations in the world and its enabler the most powerful nation in the world having nowhere to run like other refugees? Oh and you Zionists may have better doctors, the latest medical equipment and fully-stocked hospitals, but Gaza’s doctors are unpaid, unsung heros and with so little doing God’s work in hell!

    Finally, the men, women AND children of Gaza, because so many in Gaza are children; I’m in awe of you – you are in my prayers and in my heart.

    • Citizen
      August 1, 2014, 4:35 pm

      I am also in respectful awe of the Palestinian fighters and supporters. I have no respect at all for the IDF and the IDF nation.

  50. Boomer
    July 31, 2014, 6:32 am

    “The state department withheld judgment on the UN’s assessment that Israel was behind the latest attack, saying there should be a more thorough investigation to establish culpability. While voicing mounting concern, US officials appeared reluctant to directly criticise its close ally after days of growing friction with Jerusalem that has occasionally surfaced in anonymous briefings in the press.”

    “We don’t know if there were rockets in the school,” said Marie Harf, a deputy spokeswoman at the state department, explaining Washington’s refusal to apportion explicit blame for the shelling. “We don’t know for certain who shelled the school.”

    “The Pentagon confirmed a CNN report that the US had recently provided Israel with a shipment of ammunition. “The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to US national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability,” said Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral Kirby. “This defense sale is consistent with those objectives.”

    excerpts from: link to theguardian.com

  51. DoubleStandard
    July 31, 2014, 7:30 am

    I’m not sure what any of this proves. Gaza is as dense as Philadelphia, and during any war or conflict, bad things happen. Precisely why would Israel want to hurt itself in the media by attacking a UN school? There are no conflicts in which civilians — women and children — haven’t suffered, and it’s impossible to deny that Israel tries more than other countries to avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

    Calling out Israel for flaws inherent in any war/conflict/fight and amplifying them as to portray the Jewish state as “fundamentally evil” is nothing but pure anti-Semitism.

    I find it loathsome how people on this site routinely discredit Israeli media reports, yet seem to abide by Palestinian death/civilian statistics as reported by the Gaza Health Ministry (i.e. Hamas).

    • Annie Robbins
      July 31, 2014, 2:47 pm

      Precisely why would Israel want to hurt itself in the media by attacking a UN school?

      israel doesn’t slaughter people for the purpose of hurting itself in the media.

      it’s impossible to deny that Israel tries more than other countries to avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

      quite the contrary, is very easy. here, i’ll show you how it’s done:

      Israel kills civilians with impunity because it wants them dead and knows the US will back them up no matter what. Israel does not avoid bloodshed. in fact, when they cause a massacre to happen, they do it intending people will suffer and die. however, i will grant you if they could magically disappear the people or get palestinians to kill themselves they’d probably choose for that option.

      I find it loathsome how people on this site routinely discredit Israeli media reports

      no one is forcing you to be here.

      • DoubleStandard
        July 31, 2014, 3:46 pm

        Why does it “want them dead”? It’s not as if killing 1300, or 2000, or even 10,000 Palestinians gets them anywhere in terms of “solving their Palestinian problem.”

        And again — why do you discredit Israeli media reports but accept for granted reports from Hamas? Surely Israel has to be more reliable than Hamas.

        And again: Israel is under the microscope more than any other country. What does it gain by killing civilians?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 2:00 am

        Surely Israel has to be more reliable than Hamas.

        surely not. israeli military spokespeople lie w/impunity. everyone knows that. have you listened to the charlie rose interview w/meshaal? he doesn’t kowtow.

        Israel is under the microscope more than any other country.

        not in the US media or congress. where? in the internet?

        Why does it “want them dead”?

        ask all those israelis creaming ‘death to arabs.’ aside from that, israel wants the land.

        It’s not as if killing 1300, or 2000, or even 10,000 Palestinians gets them anywhere in terms of “solving their Palestinian problem.”

        there’s a strong argument to made demographics matters to israel. and that fruitcake female connected to naftali bennett’s party? pregnant women are targeted. sad but true.

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:39 pm

        “Israel is under the microscope more than any other country.”
        Y wouldn’t Israel be under such a microscope since it’s funded by the largest chunk of the only superpower’s foreign aid although it’s the size of NJ and is economically better off? Not to mention the heaps of UN SC vetos that superpower has stuck up to immunize it from accountability?

      • Shingo
        August 1, 2014, 2:09 am

        It’s not as if killing 1300, or 2000, or even 10,000 Palestinians gets them anywhere in terms of “solving their Palestinian problem.”

        Nir does starting wars such as this one by using lies as justification, or even lying about the goals. Netenyahu initially said this was to put an end to the rickets once and for all – that’s what they says in 2008 and 2012.

        Now he says Hamas can keep it’s rockets knocking full well that he won’t stop them let alone once and for all.

        So now he claims he’s going to destroy all the tunnels, but unless he lifted the blockade, Hamas will start rebuilding them. In fact, it ‘a unlikely the Israelis will find d if them anyway.

        So the summit up, Israel will achieve nothing from this , other than to drag their own ires rife and reputation through the mud again.

      • RoHa
        August 1, 2014, 2:47 am

        “Surely Israel has to be more reliable than Hamas.”

        What possible reason could we have for believing that? We know Israel lies, because we have seen the continual stream of lies pouring out of the country.

        It is not so clear to me that Hamas lies. If it does, it will still have to work hard to be as mendacious as Israel.

      • talknic
        August 1, 2014, 7:07 am

        @ DoubleStandard “Surely Israel has to be more reliable than Hamas”

        Indeed. Israel can be relied on to lie. Lie to its own people. Lie to the UN. Lie to itself about not lying. Lie at every chance it gets.

      • Shingo
        July 31, 2014, 6:31 pm

        israel doesn’t slaughter people for the purpose of hurting itself in the media.

        Patrick Cockburn explains the PR used by Israel when they attack such sensitive civilian targets.

        Frank Luntz came up with the strategy. It is referred to as “first you say no story, then you say old story”. In other words, deny everything in the teeth of the evidence on day one and, by the time definitive proof of the massacre comes through, nobody notices when you have to admit responsibility.

        The problem in this case, as Cockburn explains, is that it’s a strategy that only works in short conflicts where the news cycle moves onto other topics. That’s why it’s failing miserably today.

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:41 pm

        Frank Luntz has utter contempt for the American masses. He’s a huge Zionist, not just a major GOP pollster and political strategist.

    • Kris
      July 31, 2014, 3:47 pm

      Massacres of innocents and all Israel’s other crimes against the Palestinians seem fundamentally evil to me, and I don’t think it’s “anti-Semitic” to call Israel out on this. Add to that Israel’s sinister control of the U.S. government and major broadcast media, and deliberate violations of the international laws that were passed to protect civilians immediately following the end of WWII (in response to the suffering of the Jews), and I don’t know what else you would call a regime that behaves in this way. If the shoe fits, which it does, wear it.

      Thanks for pointing out that “during any war or conflict, bad things happen.” These “bad things happen” especially when it is the policy of the attacking army to destroy the lives of civilians in order to intimidate or coerce them, especially for political purposes. This squares up with the definition of terrorism, and is also Israel’s “Dahiyeh doctrine.” link to alternet.org

      “But Israel, shielded from accountability by the U.S., continues to violate the laws of war. In fact, it is following a specific military doctrine developed by Israeli military officials that calls for punishing the civilian population in the territory where resistance to Israeli actions emanates from. Its purpose is to restore Israeli deterrence; to make Israel’s armed enemies think twice before resisting, a goal Israel attempts to meet by wantonly destroying civilian infrastructure. Another goal is to turn the civilian population against the authorities that rule them. In this war, it’s Hamas Israel wants to weaken.

      “The Dahiyeh doctrine, as it is known, was first used in 2006. In the summer of that year, Israel went to war in Lebanon to battle the militant group Hezbollah, which was created in the late 1980s for the express purpose of resisting Israel’s occupation of Lebanon. Sparked by an attack on Israeli soldiers and the subsequent capturing of two soldiers to press for the release of Hezbollah prisoners in Israel, the 2006 assault on Lebanon inflicted enormous damage on the country. Over 1,000 Lebanese, the majority of them civilians, were killed.”

    • Kris
      July 31, 2014, 4:05 pm

      @DoubleStandard: “I find it loathsome how people on this site routinely discredit Israeli media reports, yet seem to abide by Palestinian death/civilian statistics as reported by the Gaza Health Ministry (i.e. Hamas).”

      Thanks for this, it made me laugh for the first time today. You started commenting here only a few weeks ago, so maybe you really don’t know that “Israeli media reports” are often just echoes of Israeli government lies. You need to read some of mondoweiss’s back pages.

    • Hostage
      August 1, 2014, 9:52 am

      I’m not sure what any of this proves. Gaza is as dense as Philadelphia, and during any war or conflict, bad things happen.

      That’s exactly why wars of choice have been completely outlawed and the right to wage a war in self-defense has been severely curtailed and is only lawful when certain legal criteria regarding targeting and observance of the customary prohibitions against disproportionate damage to the civilian population and their property are observed. If you are not sure what that means, you may be a sociopath.

      • Citizen
        August 1, 2014, 4:44 pm

        Yeah, Gaza is about as dense as Philadelphia, about the same size too. It’s amazing this factoid never even gets mention on US mainstream TV news, so full of Hamas rockets and nothing on the context of the siege, the occupation, or lebensraum policy in WB. Gee, what would US do if Mexico rained rockets on us?

  52. Kay24
    July 31, 2014, 7:53 am

    Joe Scarborough is a pompous man, but today he condemned Israel which surprised me. He said he was a hundred percent (that magic number to show true devotion) behind Israel, but that this has gone too far. He also mentioned that there was a limit to civilians being killed. Well, some honesty at last. It must take some courage to speak out against the the great satan. I notice our journalists and media tread very carefully when it come to any criticism. Jon Snow they are not!

  53. just
    July 31, 2014, 7:59 am

    “It’s all Hamas’ fault, right Israel?
    More than 1,200 Gazans have been killed, about 80 percent of them civilians. But Israelis’ hands are clean and their consciences are quiet – so quiet you could cry.

    It’s so easy to be an Israeli; your tender conscience is pure as the driven snow: Everything is Hamas’ fault. The rockets are the fault of Hamas; that can be taken for granted. Hamas started the war, for no reason; that, too, “goes without saying.” Hamas is a vicious terrorist organization, beasts in human form, born to kill, fundamentalists–…

    link to haaretz.com

    Is Gideon Levy the only media voice that has a conscience in Israel?

    • Kay24
      July 31, 2014, 8:45 am

      just to your point:

      Washington post: Children are paying a terrible price in Gaza:

      link to washingtonpost.com

      It seems Israelis are either in denial or simply don’t care about non Jewish lives.
      Most polls show around 90 percent want this massacre going on, which reflects badly on these people (apparently Arab Israelis are not polled). Even when Bush/Cheney took us into these unnecessary wars, Americans were split in their opinion. Israel is a racist nation, full of hatred, and unable to comprehend that it is their actions, occupation, and brutality against those they wield their powers, that provokes any violence from it’s victims.
      On the other hand, majority ofAmericans are disgustingly behind this massacre too.
      What does that say about us?

  54. Justpassingby
    July 31, 2014, 8:49 am

    Anyone saw the Chris Gunnes crying video? :/

  55. Chu
    July 31, 2014, 9:21 am

    UN Twitter pic link to twitter.com

  56. seafoid
    July 31, 2014, 9:32 am

    link to theguardian.com

    “I just spoke to Dr Medhat Abbas, director general of the ministry of health in Gaza, who said the health system will collapse if things continue as they are.

    He said:

    Yesterday, after the massacre of Shujai‘iya, where 16 people were killed and 200 were wounded, the victims were taken to Shifa hospital, which is the biggest hospital of the Gaza strip. I don’t know how to describe …the health professionals in the hospital were not enough to deal with this large number of victims at once.

    All of the operating rooms were full of patients, some operating rooms were receiving two patients at once …some other patients had surgery in the corridors and if you go to the departments of this hospital, Shifa hospital, you will find that two patients are sleeping in one bed and some other patients are sleeping in corridors. Also, 30 patients are supposed to be discharged from the hospital to go home but because they have been displaced from their homes, they have nowhere to go. We can’t discharge them.

    Abbas called for an immediate lifting of the blockade of Gaza and international intervention to bring about the end of the offensive, warning that otherwise the health system would definitely collapse. ”

    It’s going to go all the way to the collapse of the health system and the emergence of infectious disease that kills people in their hundreds.

    • can of worms
      July 31, 2014, 12:31 pm

      “It’s going to go all the way to the collapse of the health system and the emergence of infectious disease that kills people in their hundreds.”
      =”Seuchensperrgebiet”

  57. Chu
    July 31, 2014, 9:35 am

    Corey Booker defends for Israel on the house floor:

    first comment: #AIPAC Whore

    Found this on his best friends twitter feed (america’s rabbi lol) –
    Shmuley Boteach.

    Asks for more money for Israel at the end.

  58. just
    July 31, 2014, 9:44 am

    Chuck Todd and Dermer having a love fest about hating Hamas– Todd throws in by saying that all Arab leaders are in agreement with you.

    It’s all about the extreme anger at the Unity of Palestinians and the addiction to Occupation by Israel, aided and abetted by the US.

    ““Israel is addicted to occupation” — Gideon Levy

    “GL: Unfortunately, Haaretz is the only lighthouse in the Israeli media. TV, newspapers, radio and social networks are in a militaristic mode. And there is little tolerance to protest, opposition and resistance. The government or the security establishment does not dictate this. The media in Israel is quite free. Media is willing to please public and public is right wing.

    TNS: Can you give us more context of why the Israeli society reacts the way it does to the plight of Gazans and Palestinians?

    GL: Israelis react the way they do due to years of dehumanisation of Palestinians. This is the basic tool they use to continue the occupation without having any moral doubts.

    In recent years of the right wing government — the whole process of nationalistic and many times racist and anti-democratic legislation, a lot of violence against Muslims, Arabs and Leftists — Israel’s democracy is showing dangerous cracks. This should have worried many Israelis but unfortunately most of the Israelis are brainwashed by the one-sided media. Palestinian sacrifice is missing in the Israeli media.

    TNS: Why is there insensitivity among Israeli public towards the suffering Palestinians?

    GL: There are two ways to get out of the trauma of persecution: one, become more sensitive to human rights and persecution; and two, as the late PM Golda Meir said that after the holocaust Jews have a right to do whatever they want. In many ways, Israelis share Meir’s sentiment, together with the feeling that Israelis are the chosen people. It is also based in understandable fears that Holocaust might happen again.

    Also, Arabs and Muslims, who live in Israel are discriminated against and there has been a ugly campaign against them in recent years.

    TNS: How do you look at the US intervention in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

    GL: The US support for Israel makes Israelis believe that they have a right to do whatever they want. The people of the US need to question why their country supports Israel and if it serves their interest or even that of Israel’s. These questions are being raised slowly. The answers lie in the domestic politics of the US. Even Barrack Obama, whose heart is in the right place, is unable to alter the US domestic policy.

    TNS: Can Israel not defend itself without massacring Gazans?

    GL: There are two ways of dealing with a drug addict: One, to give him more money; and two, force him to go into rehabilitation. Now, Israel is addicted to occupation and the US is supplying money, instead of sending it to a rehabilitation centre.

    TNS: How do you look at Egypt’s role in the current situation?

    GL: For Egypt to not open borders to homeless and injured is problematic. The current regime is known for its hatred of Hamas — because Hamas did or did not murder a few Egyptian soldiers and officers a few years ago. And General Sisi will never forget it. He treats Hamas like garbage. Therefore, his efforts to bring a ceasefire are not genuine. For him, Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, his most bitter enemy. This enables Israel to continue.

    TNS: So, who would be a partner for peace in the Israel-Palestine conflict in the Middle East as Egypt cannot be trusted?

    GL: Egypt cannot be trusted. But there is no other alternative, as Israel does not trust Turkey and Qatar. So I am afraid it would be Egypt. The ceasefire process would be on Egypt’s pace. Ultimately, Egypt together with the US will be the mediators, probably with Mahmoud Abbas.

    TNS: Does the global protests in support of Gaza have any effect on Israeli perception of the operation?

    GL: Israelis have convinced themselves that the world is against them. So, why would they bother? And, then, they have the US support. They think they have nothing to worry. And do not forget that the pro-Gaza protests are shown to the Israeli public via Israeli media, which makes everything look comfortable.

    TNS: Why do you support the one-state solution?

    GL: I preferred the two-state solution previously. Now, I do not think it is possible with half a million settlers. So, it is a choice between a democratic state and an apartheid state — and I do not see a third option.”

    link to tns.thenews.com.pk

  59. Sulphurdunn
    July 31, 2014, 9:55 am

    What is now happening in Gaza is a premeditated slaughter justified by claiming the victims deserve it. The sane should be very alarmed when their neighbors sing and dance in support of such monstrous behavior.

  60. eljay
    July 31, 2014, 9:55 am

    >> just: link to tns.thenews.com.pk

    Good article. Thanks for the link.

  61. just
    July 31, 2014, 9:56 am

    Oh boy, now they’ve pulled this career IOF’er out on CNN;

    “Avital Leibovich (Hebrew: אביטל ליבוביץ) is the Director of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) in Israel

    Career Prior to AJC

    Leibovich served for 22 years in the Israel Defense Forces, achieving the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, and holding a wide range of senior media and public relations positions within the Defense Forces.

    Her most recent role was Head of the Interactive Media Branch of the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit,[5] a branch which she created as a response to the growing importance of social networks and internet platforms as media.[6][7][8]

    Leibovich also held the position of Head of the Foreign Press Branch,[9] acquiring over seven years of expertise working with Foreign Media, and establishing strong connections between the IDF and more traditional International Media in many languages.[10]”

    (wiki)

    She (Hasbara Queen) was on cnn mourning the fact that her kids have to go to summer camp in “shelters’! And they’ve downloaded apps for where the “sirens” are going off in Israel!

    (horrors!)

    • Kay24
      July 31, 2014, 11:24 am

      I cannot stand it when you see these apologists, who live in comfort, whine about how they have to have summer camps in shelters, and how they have to run when they hear the sirens. For gosh sakes at least they have shelters and sirens, and if their precious darlings are inconvenienced, hard luck. Look at your neighbors, who are suffering with no sirens, no shelters, no water, no electricity, no iron dome to protect them, and high chances that your damn bombs will kill them. They are being massacred (1300 last count) and thousands injured, and you whine you lost 3 civilians?
      Playing victim has limits when you look at reality and facts.

  62. Mayhem
    July 31, 2014, 10:57 am

    Trapped in Gaza: How Hamas punishes reporters for the truth

    as reported in The Australian newspaper’s premium content: link to theaustralian.com.au

    HAMAS is not just targeting Israel­i civilians, threatening Gaz­ans, executing alleged collaborators in large number and using civilians as humans shields.

    It has another terror tactic: intim­idating foreign journalists.

    “Journalists who have taken pictures of Hamas operatives preparing to shoot rockets from civilian structures and/or fighting in civilian clothing have been threatened by Hamas operatives and had their equipment confiscated.

    Reporter Peter Stefanovic, of the Nine Network’s news, stationed in Gaza, received a surge of abuse and threats when he tweeted that he had seen rockets fired into Israel from near his hotel, in a civilian area.

    Pro-Hamas tweeters said Stefanovic was ‘passing and fabricating information to Israel … from GAZA’. Another account wrote: ‘You are
    a cretin. Are you working for the IDF’ and ‘in WWII spies got shot’.

    ..con’t..

    • Shingo
      July 31, 2014, 6:49 pm

      as reported in The Australian newspaper’s premium content:

      Talk about scraping the barrel. Mayhem cited a Murdich tabloid with a grossly inflammatory headline that is not supported by the actual report.

      Stephanovic said a missile was lunched 200 m away film his hotel. That’s hardly evidence of shooting from neighborhoods.

      But what the article claims is evidence if target ring journalists is no thing more than angry tweets that pake into comparison with the bile Israeli supporters are sending him.

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2014, 7:08 pm

        Shingo, if you ever need a barrel-bottom scraped, you know who to ask. “Mayhem” has been a consistent barrel-bottom scraper since he’s been here.

      • Djinn
        July 31, 2014, 11:13 pm

        Another Murdoch contribution to the debate which should make it clear that his papers are best used for lining the cats litter tray.

        link to unveiledthought.com

      • Mayhem
        August 1, 2014, 9:06 am

        Here we have Shingo, Mooser Djinn – all prime exhibits of the anti-Zionist ethos.
        MW comes to the party with censorship cum bluster as my comments were circumcised.
        Dismissing information with ridicule makes a great mockery of the anti-Israel cause.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2014, 3:12 pm

        mayhenm, i don’t know what comment of yours are talking about, but i just deleted a long comment posted 3 times by one of your of ideological brethren for claiming hamas wanted to gas all the jews (that is as far as i got, i didn’t bother reading the rest of it). i mean really. people need to get a clue. if a comment gets deleted try figuring out what about it is too inflammatory and try expressing yourself more pc.

    • Hostage
      August 1, 2014, 12:16 pm

      Trapped in Gaza: How Hamas punishes reporters for the truth

      Apply Occam’s razor and compare the number of journalists killed, wounded, imprisoned, or routinely muzzled by the military censor on behalf of the government of Israel versus the Hamas regime.

  63. Peace2All
    July 31, 2014, 10:15 pm

    The Dahiya doctrine applied again by the world 5th largest military !

  64. Walid
    August 1, 2014, 7:27 am

    Gaza resistance announced it’s holding a second prisoner. In spite of all the killing and destroying they’re doing, things are going well at all for the Zionists.

    • Shingo
      August 1, 2014, 7:40 am

      Is there any evidence they really do have live prisoners Walid?

      • Mayhem
        August 1, 2014, 7:18 pm

        @shingo, does that make you elated? Obviously you are more interested in attacking Israel than peace.
        Hamas practices taqqiya galore.

    • just
      August 1, 2014, 7:40 am

      “12.05pm BST

      Haaretz’s Anshel Pfeffer links the shelling in southern Gaza to the apparent capture of an Israeli soldier.

      Massive #Israel bombardments now in the southern #Gaza Strip in attempt to prevent IDF captive being spirited away (Hannibal directive)
      — Anshel Pfeffer (@AnshelPfeffer) August 1, 2014

      This is no longer an IDF operation against the #Hamas tunnels. It’s a captive recovery operation and there’s no limits to that #Gaza #Israel
      — Anshel Pfeffer (@AnshelPfeffer) August 1, 2014”

      link to theguardian.com

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 1, 2014, 7:46 am

        Massive #Israel bombardments now in the southern #Gaza Strip in attempt to prevent IDF captive being spirited away (Hannibal directive)
        — Anshel Pfeffer (@AnshelPfeffer) August 1, 2014

        Guardian quoting Haaretz quoting the Hannibal directive. That should mean something. It remains odd though that a 30 year old directive that is public knowledge in Israel, since many soldiers have been briefed on it. is only being discovered now by so many. In the same vein, strange that it took 20 years to first write about it.
        I’d concede that the directive did move to the background for long periods, when it wasn’t considered necessary.

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