Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media

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Bernard Avishai

Bernard Avishai terms the Israeli attack a “war crime” in the New Yorker

It’s happening: we are at last seeing significant American mainstream dissent from the Israeli line during this conflict. There is growing space to voice criticism of our closest friend in the Middle East because of what is widely perceived to be a “disaster” unfolding in Gaza (to quote Ali Abunimah).

Friends and commenters call me optimistic/naive (as Michael Ratner does on Law and Disorder radio today) but in my list below is everything from John Kerry’s hot-mic moment expressing anger at the Israeli brutality– a moment Kerry has survived– to The New Yorker accusing Israel of a “war crime,” to TV reporters Richard Engel and Karl Penhaul describing the inhumane conditions in Gaza, to Anne Barnard of the New York Times explaining to Americans that Gaza is an open-air prison, to Lawrence Weschler’s outburst, that Israel has “rabies” and Gaza is “a concentration camp.”

I am saying that this brutal and pointless onslaught is operating on the US mainstream the way that the massacres of Cast Lead operated on the left five years ago: People are saying Enough! They see that Israel has no plan at all besides wrecking Palestinian lives. “The monstrosity that is Israel is naked, for all the world to see,” Scott Roth writes. 

And look at this great tweet from James Fallows, accompanying a famous foto of US atrocities in Vietnam: 

It is just a matter of time before some liberal Zionists (who are merely the most amenable voices inside a reactionary American support community) begin to jump off the Zionist tank. Today Haaretz reported the following, according to Americans for Peace Now:

J-Street pulls sponsorship from pro-Israel rally in Boston – The left-wing organization complained there was ‘no voice for our concerns about the loss of human life on both sides, or the acknowledgement of the conflict’s complexity.’ (Haaretz+)

So even J Street (actually a center-right organization; it supports endless military aide to support apartheid) senses a change in the US climate, and feels safe taking a baby step.

More on the shifting climate.

In Gaza, NBC’s Richard Engel retweeted this very sensible message from Jon Snow, a British TV announcer:

If you strangle a people, deny them supply, for years, extreme reaction is inevitable. the one begets the other.

Bernard Avishai had a piece at the New Yorker last week called “Watching Gaza” that said Israel is guilty of war crimes, killing civilians in an effort to discredit Hamas. And the endgame, Avishai says, is rightwing consolidation of greater Israel, and the Palestinians going to the international criminal court.

bombing these homes every few years—“mowing the lawn,” as one commander put it before earlier Gaza operations—demonstrates that Israel will not shrink from inflicting hundreds of random civilian casualties, through which it hopes to discredit Hamas. If you don’t think this is a war crime, talk to your Palestinian friends…

Israel’s problem is no longer just Ban Ki-moon and CNN. Since 2012, the streets of the West Bank have grown more volatile; a new generation, as distrustful of the two-state peace process as Israeli rightists, has come of age. Jerusalem is witnessing mob violence on both sides of its divide. Israel cannot bomb civilians and expect that students in Hebron and Ramallah will only vent their fury on Facebook. Bassem Khoury, a Palestinian entrepreneur and former economics minister, wrote to me this morning that the pressure on Abbas to sign the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, pushing Israeli leaders toward facing the sanctions of international law, has become irresistible. Wherever Abbas goes, Khoury writes, “cries of ‘either sign or leave’ are being heard amongst the disgruntled, particularly the youth.”

…In the absence of a credible peace process, which Netanyahu has preëmpted, the consequence of this war will be, in effect, the consolidation of a Jewish state in which the Arab minority will stop imagining a place for itself. And how long will Hezbollah stay out of the fray?

That consolidation of a racist state is why Andrew Sullivan now says the two-state solution is dead; so let’s move on to a struggle for equal rights within one country.

Nathan Thrall of the International Crisis Group had an excellent piece on the New York Times op-ed page on the “road to war,” saying that Israel chose this war as a means of blocking the unity deal between Hamas and Fatah.

the most immediate cause of this latest war has been ignored: Israel and much of the international community placed a prohibitive set of obstacles in the way of the Palestinian “national consensus” government that was formed in early June….

Thrall says in so many words that the siege of Gaza is immoral and has to be lifted.

For many Gazans, and not just Hamas supporters, it’s worth risking more bombardment and now the ground incursion, for a chance to change that unacceptable status quo. A cease-fire that fails to resolve the salary crisis and open Gaza’s border with Egypt will not last. It is unsustainable for Gaza to remain cut off from the world and administered by employees working without pay.

Many writers are citing J.J. Goldberg’s piece at the Forward, “How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza,” which says that Israel manipulated the teen killings in the West Bank to have a war with Hamas, and now Israel is going off a “cliff.” Goldberg is essentially conveying a portrait of an intolerant political culture that Max Blumenthal gave us in his 2013 book, Goliath, a place whipped by war fever and fear of Arabs.

Anne Barnard at the Times has a remarkably straightforward rendition of Palestinian conditions in Gaza.

Perhaps most important, the vast majority of Gazans cannot leave Gaza. They live under restrictions that make this narrow coastal strip, which the United Nations considers occupied by Israel, unlike anywhere else.

Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain in 2010 called Gaza “an open-air prison,” drawing criticism from Israel. But in reality, the vast majority of Gazans are effectively trapped, unable to seek refugee status across an international border. (Most are already refugees, those who fled from what is now Israel and their descendants.)

So the people of Gaza are refugees–it’s about time that is brought home to Americans. Barnard’s report is similar to Karl Penhaul’s excellent report on CNN last night, about people running for their lives in Gaza. Penhaul quoted moving calm statements by Sameh Grega, who had to abandon his mother when he fled Shuha’iyeh, and at the end of the report, by a young man describing the killing of his mother and brother.

And Pat Lang agrees with me, that things are shifting. He adds a realist gloss to it:

As sad as it is to say, the main effects of this round of fighting in Gaza will be found; 1- in the worldwide political damage done to Israel for the callous massacre of civilians and 2- the impact on Israeli and more importantly American popular opinion of a high Israeli military body count. Throughout previous Israeli operations intended to “mow the grass,” in Gaza, the IDF has operated with impunity, able to continue from day to day without major fear of the likelihood of its own casualties in dead and wounded. If these present reports are correct, that has changed. The American people have many admirable characteristics but their inability to see virtue in “losers” is not one of them. An ability on the part of the Hamas/IJ fighters to inflict casualties on the IDF would raise the public image of the Palestinians in America. According to the Israel FB page, Hamas now says that it will equip large numbers of Gazan youth with grenades and send them against IDF forces in suicide attacks. The Israelis do not seem to understand how potent a weapon that would be.

 

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  1. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 21, 2014, 12:57 pm

    The Moldovan nite klub bouncer is talking about banning Al Jazeera from operating in Israel.

    The Middle East’s only democracy, the serene villa in the jungle of the backward Arab masses.

    Not.

    • Walid
      July 21, 2014, 4:28 pm

      If the Lieberman gets his way, Israel would see its several trade and commercial offices in Doha shut down in retaliation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brookings got the boot too. Israel has much more to lose by pissing off the Qataris.

  2. dimadok
    July 21, 2014, 1:03 pm

    The problem with this, another optimistic/things-are-changing/Israel-is loosing assay is quite simple, although is buried under the pile of quasi-intellectual nonsense.
    If the things are changing, as all things are, to which direction:
    To support Hamas? Muslim Brotherhood? ISIS or Asad? Wahabi or Shia? Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad? Or maybe PA and Egypt?
    You see, there is no gray areas in the Middle East and you cannot go there, and not to get involved and choose sides.
    Kerry and Obama are frustrated, but they know better.
    Europe is frustrated, but it knows better as well.
    China, India, Egypt, Jordan, even (god forbid) Russia- all know their choice.
    Damn, even Saudis and Qataris , play their games, keeping in mind Iran’s ambitions, and their umbrella from US and (yes) Israel.
    I’m quite confident in Israel future and the consequences of its actions.
    Just a small remark- 40 million dollars had cost those home-made rockets alone. Millions were spend building bunkers- don’t you think they could’ve been spent better?

    • eljay
      July 21, 2014, 1:24 pm

      >> dimadok: If the things are changing, as all things are, to which direction: To support Hamas? Muslim Brotherhood? ISIS or Asad? Wahabi or Shia? Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad? Or maybe PA and Egypt? You see, there is no gray areas in the Middle East and you cannot go there, and not to get involved and choose sides.

      Choose the side of justice, accountability and equality. End support for oppression, supremacism and colonialism. Stop destabilizing and overthrowing and start supporting secular and democratic states of and for all of their citizens (and immigrants, ex-pats and refugees), equally. Help build infrastructures and economies. Foster trade.

      • Mikhael
        July 22, 2014, 9:16 pm

        Choose the side of justice, accountability and equality.

        The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago. Nothing could be more just than a people (yes, Jews collectively constitute a people) regaining (regaining, because it’s certainly not the first time Jews have had an independent state in this)region independence in its original land.

        End support for oppression, supremacism and colonialism.

        Yes, end support for oppression. Stop giving moral support for Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document. End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza choose freely how, when and what they want to observe of their religious traditions absent state coercion.
        link to al-monitor.com
        Don’t support a tyrannical, terrorist theocracy that intentionally targets civilians in a neighboring country that is not theirs. Free the people of Gaza!

        start supporting secular and democratic states of and for all of their citizens (and immigrants, ex-pats and refugees), equally.

        Israel is a Jewish state and the state of all of its citizens, Jewish or non-Jewish alike. Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish, just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks. Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.” In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens (whether those citizens are Jewish or non-Jewish), it is possible for an Israeli citizen who is not of Jewish nationality, Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law (the state of his citizenship) and render decisions that impact all of his fellow citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian (who was just wounded in battle), leads the Golani Brigade, one of the main infantry divisions of the IDF, commanding Jewish and non-Jewish soldiers in battle to defend his state. In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level. link to en.wikipedia.org
        In Israel, non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level (link to en.wikipedia.org) and have
        always served in Knesset since the founding of the state, usually as part of a not-so-loyal opposition, where their democratic privileges have entitled them to denounce, from the parliamentary rostrum, the underpinnings of the Zionist state that pays their salaries (contrast the British policy of censoring Sinn Fein politicians for years).

        (and immigrants, ex-pats and refugees)

        When immigrants and refugees become citizens of the State of Israel, then they should be entitled to have all the rights and obligations of citizens. Some of the non-Jewish foreigners who have arrived in Israel in recent years from various countries, mostly in Africa, are legitimate refugees and should be afforded asylum as long as necessary, some of these people have obtained Israeli citizenship in recent years, through various means, e.g., humanitarian act of the Interior Ministry or through marriage to an Israeli, or by demonstrating skills in demand in Israel. However, most of the undocumented foreigners in Israel are work migrants and do not have an inherent right to stay indefinitely in our country. One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees. As a person who supports justice, I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population. When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled “stateless Palestinian refugees” in their Palestinian state. However, they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state.

      • eljay
        July 22, 2014, 9:42 pm

        >> Mikhaeleee: The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People …

        The creation of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine – a state created at the expense of the indigenous population – was supremacism-driven injustice and immorality.

        >> Israel is a Jewish state and the state of all of its citizens, Jewish or non-Jewish alike.

        An Israeli state is a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally. A supremacist “Jewish State” is a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      • talknic
        July 22, 2014, 11:34 pm

        @ Mikhael “The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago”

        According to the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT “as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947″ Israel has not since legally acquired ANY further territories. (It has been illegal to acquire territory by war, ANY WAR, since at least 1933 link to pages.citebite.com )

        “Nothing could be more just than a people ….etc etc etc… in its original land”

        Your nonsense doesn’t compute pal. The State of Israel was declared in considerably different territory from the alleged/mythical/historical homeland of the Jewish people. Israel has never legally acquired any territory since being proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government pleaded to be recognized, per UNGA 181.

        ” Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document”

        Would that be Article 31 ziocolonistas dare not cite?
        Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

        “End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza etc etc etc…”

        Problem. Hamas are drawn from the population of Gaza atheist, Christian, Muslim. Your repetition of ignorant and really stupid Israeli propaganda mantras only reveals that you believe really stupid ignorant Israeli propaganda mantras.

        “Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish”

        Same old tired idiotic propaganda bullsh*t! Some folk have no religion and some religions do not observe the Sabbath, they’re penalized by the Jewish state.

        ” just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks”

        Really? They have the enforced equivalent of the Sabbath. WOW! I wonder if they know…

        ” Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.”

        Uh huh. Those words were written when Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were busy dispossessing people who should have had a right to Israeli citizenship, as if the drafters of the declaration didn’t know what Jewish forces were up to. IOW it’s inherent bullsh*t drafted by zionist colonizers!

        “In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens “

        That’s not what the Declaration says pal.

        Accordingly we, members of the People’s Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel and of the Zionist Movement, are here assembled on the day of the termination of the British Mandate over Eretz-Israel and, by virtue of our natural and historic right and on the strength of the resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.

        You’re claiming Israel was declared on behalf of Jews no matter what their citizenship. But they have to gain Israeli citizenship. It ISN’T automatic.

        “it is possible for …. Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law … “

        Is it 20% of the judiciary? 20% of the Parliament? And even if it was, so what? Wouldn’t that be NORMAL? Why do you need to make a point of something that should be but isn’t NORMAL? BTW what relevance has it to Israel’s ILLEGAL policies in NON-Israeli territory? Absolutely NIL! IOW it’s typical of the nonsensical drivel we hear from Israel’s apologists

        ” In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian … etc etc … In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level …. non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level … “

        So what? It doesn’t change the fact that Israel is in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions, i.e. a rogue state

        “One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees”

        That’s odd. Israel admitted some 500,000 Arab Jews, refugees from the Arab States in 1948 – 52. BTW UNRWA catered for them in Israel until Israel finally decided to look after them

        “As a person who supports justice”

        Your dialogue betrays that notion.

        ” I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population.”

        Bravo..

        ” When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled “stateless Palestinian refugees” in their Palestinian state”

        Why? They had no right to citizenship in territories slated for the Arab state. Earlier you quoted the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel…. are you now saying it was the bullsh*t it has proven to be!?

        ” they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state”

        Uh? They already DID have and still do have a right to Israeli citizenship, it’s in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel you silly silly person! Unless of course it’s bullsh*t!

      • RoHa
        July 23, 2014, 12:04 am

        I know of no moral principle that permits a “people*” to form a state in a territory largely occupied by people who are not members of that “people”, regardless of whether or not that “people” had a state in the territory previously. To do so against the wishes of those others is manifestly unjust. Driving out those others and refusing to allow them to return compounds the injustice.

        (*And what is a “people”, and what moral implications does being a “people” carry?)

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 1:35 pm

      To support the indigenous people of Palestine one doesn’t have to make any other choices. You really don’t get it do you, dimadok?

      “I’m quite confident in Israel future and the consequences of its actions.”

      have fun with that and have an umbrella in that ziofizzstream drinky.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 21, 2014, 1:57 pm

      ”Just a small remark- 40 million dollars had cost those home-made rockets alone.”

      Where are you getting your numbers from? Does Hamas make budgetary announcements? Got a link?

      In any case, $4o million is a relatively paltry sum. Your joke of an ”Iron Dome” cost hundreds of millions for an elaborate PR stunt. But I suppose it’s most American taxpayers footing the bill, so who cares?

      ”Millions were spend building bunkers- don’t you think they could’ve been spent better?”

      Hmmmm…. lemme think. I guess Hamas could have invested in trade and commerce. Oh wait, no, Gaza is under siege and cannot trade with anyone. I suppose they could have built more infrastructure? Oh wait, Israel will bomb that to smithereens at the first opportunity.

      You hasbarats need to update your talking points.

      • Kay24
        July 21, 2014, 2:06 pm

        You hasbarats need to update your talking points.

        Yeah really everything sounds so stale and hollow now.
        Give them high marks for desperately hoping it will work.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 2:36 pm

        40 million is what it costs to run YESHA for one WEEK. In 47 years that makes over $100 BILLION. Dim and Mehane could have been educated with a teeney weeney portion of that and there would still be money left over to give Hoph a compassion transplant.

      • amigo
        July 21, 2014, 2:58 pm

        “Dim and Mehane could have been educated with a teeney weeney portion of that and there would still be money left over to give Hoph a compassion transplant.” seafoid

        Waste of time.

        His “system” would reject it.

        Zionist DNA missed that .

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 4:31 pm

        “Zionist DNA missed that”

        The latest research indicates pretty conclusively that the Ziocaine Syndrome is not a genetic anomaly, nor is it, as many suspected, the result of drugging. Although the results and consequences of of a Ziocaine Syndrome episode do bear a remarkable resemblance to the effects of chronic cocaine-and-alcohol intoxication on the character (thus giving rise to the name), the origin of the condition is to be found entirely in social conditioning. Again, many have been frustrated by the fact that the course of the Ziocaine Syndrome does in many ways conform to that of an addiction to a chemical substance.
        If nothing else, the existence of Ziocaine Syndrome-by-proxy rules out genetic transmission.

      • pjdude
        July 21, 2014, 6:01 pm

        i dislike Israel as much as any normal human but that’s crap math and you know it.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 6:06 pm

        $100bn is such a crazy amount of money to have wasted on a project like YESHA. They could have turned Israel into a world leader in so many fields but they couldn’t resist the land.

    • Mooser
      July 21, 2014, 2:42 pm

      “You see, there is no gray areas in the Middle East and you cannot go there, and not to get involved and choose sides.”

      No gray areas? So it’s not complicated? We just swept away all “complications”? That’s great, cause sweeping away those “complications” can leave you with a beautiful mind.

    • Citizen
      July 21, 2014, 4:10 pm

      @ dimadok

      Yeah, they could’ve spent it on hand grenades to arm their kids with, so they had something more than pebbles and small stones to throw at the IDF enforcing the blockage, which is an element of Israel’s incremental genocide and slow ethnic cleansing of Palestinians so Israel could have its obscene holy grail, Greater Israel, homage to Joshua and a G-d that’s a racist tyrant aping Hitler’s last political testament to the degree it can in a post-Hitler world. If this is a bad cowboy movie come to life, it’s not Israel who’s wearing the white hats here. Eventually even Dick and Jane might get the clue. It’s not HAMAS who turned a simple murder into a war on a whole people simply because they were born non-Jewish in a land some Jews want for themselves, no matter what the cost or morality of it, no matter the lesson allowance of same gives to the whole world post-Nuremberg and Geneva 4.

    • Shingo
      July 21, 2014, 10:14 pm

      Kerry and Obama are frustrated, but they know better.

      No. Jerry and Obama are owned. They do as they are told.

  3. Donald
    July 21, 2014, 1:09 pm

    You may be optimistic and naive. I hope you’re right, but this has happened before–during the summer 1982 Lebanon War, for instance. Israel mercilessly bombing Lebanese cities. Within a few years it was like it had never happened. Sabra and Shatila erased the memory of Israel’s bombing of Lebanese civilians and you might think that, well, okay, but that was a massacre under Israel’s watch, so that wasn’t good for their reputation. But you’d miss the point. It was a massacre for which Sharon was directly responsible, but it was carried out by Christian Phalangists and Sharon was criticized (slapped on the wrist) for it by Israel. The end result was that Israel became the country which polices itself and then, several years later, Sharon wins a lawsuit against Time Magazine when it claimed more than it could prove about Sharon.

    The net result–hasbara types said that Israel was blamed for a massacre committed by others. And mainstream press types summarize 1982 as Israel responding to aggression, though perhaps not in the best way since they got bogged down afterwards. The moral denunciations of Israel’s bombing–it was like it never happened at all. I read about it later (I mostly ignored it at the time) in Chomsky (yeah, that awful terrible Chomsky guy who is secretly an agent for the Zionists or whatever the current line on him is). And that war was one with tens of thousands of deaths.

    Maybe big difference today is the internet. If the MSM wrote something stupid in pre blogging days, there was no way for the average person to correct it. Write a letter and hope they’d print it. Like anyone would care if they did. But I think they find it harder to ignore us now.

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 1:20 pm

      “Maybe big difference today is the internet.”

      bingo!

      • American
        July 21, 2014, 1:57 pm

        just says:

        July 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm

        “Maybe big difference today is the internet.”

        bingo!>>>>>

        It only makes a difference if people take their internet gleaned truth and put it on their politicians.
        Knowledge without action is useless.
        Up the anty, attack the politicans with your outrage.

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      • Daniel Rich
        July 21, 2014, 2:36 pm

        @ American,

        Q: Congress – 1 877 762 8762

        R:

        1) Do you want another one up the a**? Press 0

        2) Do you want to donate more AIPAC $$? Press 3 x 6

        3) Do you want more scripted ‘Real Politics’? Press 69

        4) Do you want to waste more of your precious time? Keep listening…

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 2:47 pm

        “Knowledge without action is useless.”

        Yes, knowledge with action is the best. But Zionism requires active support from Zionists all over the world, especially Americans.
        If the knowledge people gain simply causes them to dis-engage from Zionism, to cease actively supporting it, that alone will be disastrous for the Zionist project. It rode in on the backs of outsiders and conquerors, and its project depends on continuous active support.

      • Philip Weiss
        July 21, 2014, 2:53 pm

        Absolutely Mooser. American Zionists must choose liberalism over racism; and it will have huge effect

      • Shingo
        July 21, 2014, 10:23 pm

        But will they Phill?

        Beinardt has admitted the he will put liberal values aside for Israel. And he has predicted that forced up chose between the two, most Jews will stick with the tribe.

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 5:30 pm

        “American Zionists must choose liberalism over racism; and it will have huge effect”

        Except that once they do (“choose liberalism over Zionism”) I guess they won’t be Zionists anymore, will they. Or do they just become “liberal Zionists” at that point?

      • MRW
        July 21, 2014, 3:44 pm

        And don’t forget to take the editors of internet news orgs and blogs to task for yellow journalism. Scream at them calmly and briefly for fomenting what isn’t there (Russia) and is despicably slanted (I/P).

    • chinese box
      July 21, 2014, 1:52 pm

      @Donald

      I agree. I can remember in the past when a window for criticism has opened in the MSM only to slam shut again once whatever event triggered it was over. The problem is that there is no sustained coverage or critique of the settlements, the apartheid wall, water theft, only of bombing raids on Gaza and Lebanon, which usually only last a few weeks. And little to no context, even then. And after that it’s back to amnesia.

      The one thing that could change the status quo is the unavoidable realization that the peace process is a dead letter at this point. However I could see Obama or the next president trying to revive it (someone put a stake through it’s heart this time, please), so I’m not going to get my hopes up prematurely.

      • Donald
        July 21, 2014, 2:08 pm

        “I can remember in the past when a window for criticism has opened in the MSM only to slam shut again once whatever event triggered it was over. ”

        Exactly. Maybe the internet will make the difference. But if one goes by the past, once the current Israeli kill orgy is over with, just wait a few months and the inertial drift back towards pro-Israel bias will take over again with the press. And politicians, of course, haven’t budged one inch. Kerry expressed his frustration (maybe even accidentally on purpose), but we already know that in private American Presidents and diplomats lose their temper with Israel. That happened with Philip Habib back in the 1982 war. Clinton blew up at Netanyahu sometime in his term of office. Tom Friedman himself earned his original reputation as someone in the mainstream who was sympathetic to the Palestinians because he was shocked by the bombing in Lebanon back then. You’d never know it to read most of his later work.

      • chinese box
        July 21, 2014, 2:36 pm

        I think that’s the whole game–for years at a time, ignore the backdrop and context of what’s happening, and Lebanon and Gaza just seem like a series of isolated, disconnected events. Meanwhile, the American public has been told over and over that “it’s complicated” by Israel’s supporters, so the public is intimidated by the whole subject and either wash their hands of it or adopt the default pro-Israel position.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 4:22 pm

        @ chinese box
        Too, Arab and Persian Americans communities are under constant pressure by the US government arms, including IRS and HS, to not stir the Zionist-conrolled pot. It’s a really tall order to bring the truth about the I-P conflict to Dick and Jane. That senate vote backing Israel was 100%, including all those Jews considered liberal or progressive by the US press and their own history, putting aside anything impacting Israel. Take a look (if you can stand it) at Barney Frank.

    • W.Jones
      July 21, 2014, 2:12 pm

      Hello Donald,

      this has happened before–during the summer 1982 Lebanon War, for instance. Israel mercilessly bombing Lebanese cities. Within a few years it was like it had never happened.

      That’s not quite true. The 1982 bombing led Finkelstein and a number of leftists to become active in the Palestinian topic. When the Israelis every few years attack Gaza, it becomes an issue that gets more and more attention. It does not really go away but builds over time.

      You commented:

      The moral denunciations of Israel’s bombing–it was like it never happened at all. I read about it later in Chomsky (yeah, that awful terrible Chomsky guy who is secretly an agent for the Zionists or whatever the current line on him is).

      This is a good example. Chomsky was affected by it and wrote about it and then in turn it affected you. If it was really like it hadn’t happened, then you would not be where you are, posting on Mondoweiss.

      This is a positive thing about Chomsky, whereby a nationalist who is focused on IP because of his ideology writes about the issue eloquently and sounds the alarm, not because he is a nationalist, but because he is generally a person who cares about human rights.

      However, Donald, I would encourage you to follow Chomsky’s advice to be ‘realistic’, even when it comes to Chomsky himself. Chomsky cannot be a “secret” Israeli nationalist, since Allison Weir asked him about being a nationalist youth leader and he replied that his nationalist views have not changed: link to youtube.com

      Famous figures can be complex and even contradictory. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were way ahead of their time in terms of Democracy, and yet they owned slaves, although they later freed them. Lincoln freed the slaves, and yet presided over the US army’s crushing of the Indian revolts. And yet I admire Abraham Lincoln. Chomsky hardly owns slaves or advocates fighting Indians, but nonetheless can be an interesting, inspiring, complex, radical, and -as hard to admit as it may be – in some rare moments even a contradictory and reactionary figure. I consider his ideal of dividing political parties along religious lines and his claim that there is no internationally agreed on right of return to be a rare example of the latter.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 21, 2014, 2:42 pm

        @ W Jones,

        Q: This is a positive thing about Chomsky…

        R: Are you his agent or clairvoyant [as you seem privy to the most intimate and personal thought processes of so many different individuals] ?

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 2:52 pm

        “R: Are you his agent or clairvoyant [as you seem privy to the most intimate and personal thought processes of so many different individuals] ?”

        Someone that wise might even know what God intends. And W.Jones sure does strike me as a guy under the divine protection the colloquialism asserts is extended to only two classes of people.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 21, 2014, 3:03 pm

        @ Mooser,

        Q: …asserts…

        R: I’m sorry. That word distracts me ass much ass Uranus…

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 4:26 pm

        Chomsky told Weir he has never left his original stance on Zionism, a Zionism of kibbutz and separate but equal treatment of Israelis and Palestinians in some format, perhaps a federal approach, if memory serves. He says, that being so, Zionism left him in its morphing to what it is today, which in his opinion, is contrary to why he was a Zionist leader in his youth, and still a Zionist, but with his eyes wide open.

      • W.Jones
        July 21, 2014, 5:08 pm

        That’s a good way of putting it, Citizen. The Supreme Court held that Separate but Equal was Unequal in practice and reality. It might be said that what we see within the Green Line is a reflection of that- the seemingly rational principle of having two separate but equal communities in the Holy Land, called a “democratic state” that focuses on just one religious community led to a reality of unequal treatment within the Green Line.

        Chomsky’s “nonstate” Separate but Equal system could easily become the same thing. Chomsky’s vision was both more and less segregated than US Segregation. Chomsky would have denounced separate water fountains and other irrational divisions, and yet even the US South’s main political parties were not officially and formally dedicated to just one nationality.

      • chinese box
        July 21, 2014, 3:11 pm

        @W. Jones

        I don’t want to put words in Donald’s mouth, but I believe he’s referring to the media’s stance on I/P, not to the activities of activists. Other than their promotion of the fleeting, ephemeral 2ss I’ve seen little change in the media coverage over the last 20 years. I don’t consider Chomsky to be a darling of the MSM in any sense.

        Now if the activism and BDS grow that could force the media to change, but that’s going to be a long haul to get there.

      • W.Jones
        July 21, 2014, 4:03 pm

        Chinese Box,
        The thing is, if the Left was the same way it was back in 1975 on the IP issue, and nothing had really changed in left wing circles in 1982 and later, then the media would be more supportive of the IDF’s actions.

        It was due to some pressure that NBC reassigned Ayman to cover Gaza, and that pressure wouldnt have been there were it not for the Left having moved at least a bit on the issue.

        In other words, we might not directly see something having changed in the media, but it did. It does not mean the media is good on the issue, but just that it may be paying more attention than it did sometimes in the past. But then again, I don’t want to delude myself into being over optimistic about it.

      • chinese box
        July 21, 2014, 4:37 pm

        W. Jones,

        Perhaps, but maybe it was more the nature of the stories that dictated the media response. There was no way to cover the 1982 invasion or the first intifada AND make Israel look good at the same time. The media would have had to not cover them at all. But they were huge stories so they were forced to present Israel’s true face to the world.

        In 1975, the settlement enterprise hadn’t really ramped up to full speed yet, the occupation was relatively new, and Israel was looking sympathetic because of Munich and the airline hijackings. There was the nakba, but that had taken place decades before.

    • seafoid
      July 21, 2014, 2:39 pm

      Israeli society was more rational in 82. The Russians hadn’t arrived and the secular jews were still a majority. Now the russians, settlers, orthodox and ultra o have the majority and they are for the birds.

  4. anthonybellchambers
    July 21, 2014, 1:13 pm

    ‘Did you do anything nice today, Daddy?’ (other than to kill children and those patients in intensive care)

    As heavily-armed, conscript Israeli soldiers brutally ended the lives of 74 defenceless civilians in their own homes, (and today the sick in hospital), in Gaza – it was reminiscent of other massacres in the Middle East although rarely, if ever, have others targeted unarmed mothers, wives, children and the sick. The UN Secretary General yesterday branded the massacre as ‘atrocious’.

    Killing women and children in their own home must take great bravery and courage when you have to go back to your own home and confront your own wife and children who will ask you ‘Did you do anything nice today, Daddy?”

    It is a war crime under Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions in relation to civilians and non-combatants that expressly prohibits “acts of violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture”.

    • Citizen
      July 21, 2014, 4:30 pm

      Didn’t Lt Calley get a slap on the wrist?

      • oldgeezer
        July 21, 2014, 8:54 pm

        House arrest for three months iirc

  5. Philip Weiss
    July 21, 2014, 1:13 pm

    Channel 4 agrees with you Donald; attributes the change to the internet. Paul Mason: link to blogs.channel4.com

    My colleague, Matt Frei, tweeted that CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interview with Netanyahu was less a grilling more “a warm bath and a back rub”. Others used more profane metaphors.
    But now, for the first time in a major Arab-Israeli conflict, the American public has other sources of reality. All research says that young people everywhere regard Twitter as essentially a news service, and via your social network you can easily get served up words and pictures more impactful than anything on TV. By the time many Americans woke up on Sunday, these pictures were of dead Palestinian children.
    Netanyahu complained the Hamas strategy was to provide “telegenically dead” people: but where Israel is losing the hearts and minds of the world is not via “tele” anything: it is in the JPEGs that stream into millions of people’s mobile phones every time they glance at the object in the palm of their hand.

    • dimadok
      July 21, 2014, 1:33 pm

      Don’t you think that the American public cares about pictures of dead children?
      Iraq/Afganistan/Syria had completely desensitized their perception. That’s why Israel stands alone, since if those were Israeli children the reaction in general would be the same.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 2:41 pm

        Twitter cuts out zionist media management. Careerism can’t be used to scare or intimidate users. Ya salaam.

      • Kay24
        July 21, 2014, 4:53 pm

        “Tell the U.S. Government to stop arming Israel.”

        Twitter from Amnesty International.

        Apparently there is a petition going around, but chances are the US government is deep in the pockets of these human animals that unleash hell on babies.

      • crone
        July 21, 2014, 7:52 pm

        Bingo!

        we are all journalists now? photographers?

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 2:58 pm

        “Don’t you think that the American public cares about pictures of dead children?
        Iraq/Afganistan/Syria had completely desensitized their perception.”

        Gosh, how Zionists love to invoke atrocities. Every atrrocity is simply one more excuse for them. See, the world owes the Zionist a couple of free atrocities.
        But invoking as an atrocity, the acts of the very same government (and under the very same rubric, ‘fighting terrorism’) from whose withered teat Israel depends, well, that’s, like the man said “beyond chutzpah!

        And remember folks, there’s no “gray area” in the Middle East. That means one day you’ll thank the Zionists for getting rid of the Palestinians.

        But if you want to argue, ‘dimadok’, in your own scintillating and sophisticated way, that Americans being inured to the slaughter of ‘others’ binds it to Israel, you’ll get no argument from me.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 4:38 pm

        @ Mooser, his comment conclusion:

        Me either. But the internet is still a growing problem for the US AIPAC controlled government. Haven’t you seen the bills floating around in congress to curb it, make it subject to more censorship by Uncle Sam under the mask of protecting free domestic trade and copyrights?

        But things are slowly leaking out, e.g., the Tampa boy beaten up by the Israeli undercover border cops, the two American Jewish young men who skipped the US Army recruiter to go to the IDF recruiter’s office and got killed in Gaza; the one guy was a sniper, shooting at desperate Palestinian cockroaches trying to aid their civilian family targets?

        That Schmully guy, that self-styled “America’s rabbi,” is all over Twitter praising the two Jewish American IDF soldiers as heroes. And he’s got lots of company.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 5:20 pm

        But what are Presbyterians thinking ??

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 7:38 pm

        “That Schmully guy, that self-styled “America’s rabbi,”

        Oh boy, that’s scary. There is such a person? I was happier not knowing that, but that’s true about a lot of things.

    • Bumblebye
      July 21, 2014, 1:43 pm

      Oops! Don’t you mean Britain’s Channel4? The names given suggest so. Both ex-bbc.

      • Philip Weiss
        July 21, 2014, 2:02 pm

        Yes. Sorry! going to edit! Thank you

    • MRW
      July 21, 2014, 4:11 pm

      There’s one other thing to add to the concern of internet youth (Millennials). Mega-advertising co. McCann-Erickson did a two-year global study of their clients’ future customers. It was in their direct financial interest to do so. Surveyed 400,000 kids in 110 countries where McCann has offices. Held hundreds of focus groups in the more populous countries.

      What they found out genuinely shocked the older guys; they didn’t see it coming. More than talking to their friends, more than community, more than digital inventions, more than all the youthful ideals of fighting poverty and war or making money, more than anything, and by a large margin, significant enough for McCann-Erickson to change their entire global strategy internally–check it out–was the Truth.

      You lie, you lose. The new young editors coming up resonate with that. They know no one cares about you protecting your ideological, religious, or financial ass, when what you are doing is harming people, or making excuses for people who do.

      EDIT: IMO, that’s why newspapers have lost their appeal. These kids still read special interest magazines; it isn’t the paper they reject. It’s the lies.

      • American
        July 21, 2014, 4:40 pm

        MRW

        Good one, interesting.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 4:48 pm

        Youth is always comparatively seeking the truth before they learn to hide it for, sequentially: 1. material survival, or 2. security, or 3. luxury gain.

        It takes really serious adult truth sayers to get the ball rolling towards fairness and equity. How about Dennis Kucinich? Wouldn’t I like to see him on cable TV news shows as a pundit as often as Krauthammer and Bolton? Those two guys are really lethal, right up there with Chaney and Adelson (he, only as a funder of evil).

        As counters, Snowden, Blumenthal, Greenwald. These guys are examples of whist I see as the best America has to offer as a guide to a better future for humanity. These guys are in the new prophetic vein Ellis talks about here on MW. Weir is too.

      • crone
        July 21, 2014, 7:55 pm

        Having three millennial grandchildren, I can attest to that… they also recognize the complete mess their parents generation (and others) have made and feel they are going to have to clean it up!

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 22, 2014, 8:17 am

      OOPS, WRONG PLACE!

  6. amigo
    July 21, 2014, 1:14 pm

    I wonder if Obama has told nietanhayu to cease and desist and Israeli is getting as much revenge as it can before the boom is lowered on their heads.

    Wouldn,t want to be netanyahu either way.If he doesn,t stop Israel will be totally isolated and if he does , the wacko illegal squatters will get him.

    My heart bleeds for this satanic evil doer.

    Not.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 21, 2014, 2:17 pm

      ”I wonder if Obama has told nietanhayu to cease and desist and Israeli is getting as much revenge as it can before the boom is lowered on their heads.”

      I think it may be more likely that Bibi has hinted to Obama that he wanted a way out. So Obama is ‘pressuring’ him to accept a ceasefire, which Israel will reluctantly, magnanimously accept, so offering him a face-saving exit. And yes, I do think the vindictive rage which is such a characteristic of Zionism will lead to the rampage being stepped up even further before any ceasefire. A bit like how the humiliated IDF covered South Lebanon with landmines before running away in the July war.

      Obama doesn’t make demands of Israel. Quite the opposite. I don’t think Obama would have made such an open call for a ceasefire if he hadn’t OK-ed it with Bibi first.

      • amigo
        July 21, 2014, 2:40 pm

        “Obama doesn’t make demands of Israel. Quite the opposite. I don’t think Obama would have made such an open call for a ceasefire if he hadn’t OK-ed it with Bibi first.MDM

        You don,t mind the short version of your screen name , I hope.

        Excuse my interminable hope that the Nobel Peace recipient would get a transplant of humanity and do what is right.

        But something is driving nietanyahu to ask obama to play tough with him.
        Maybe he sneaks a peep at MW in between war cabinet meetings and sees the images of those protests.

        I get your point about who is da boss ,but will it save him from the crazies in “Judea/Samaria.Excuse the biblical description of the WB.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 2:54 pm

        “A bit like how the humiliated IDF covered South Lebanon with landmines before running away in the July war.”

        link to youtube.com

        Tikkun Olam

        Chappatte is the cartoonist and he is half Arab. I think a lot of Israel’s difficulties in the West are due to the perseverance of these talented 2nd 3rd and fourth generation Arabs who are not afraid to show the true face of Zionism to the world.

      • Walid
        July 21, 2014, 3:20 pm

        Maximus, it’s no longer just a matter of cease-fire no matter who calls it and who accepts it. Israel’s Channel 10 is sending up smoke signals that Israel may be willing to relax some crossing points. The people of Gaza don’t want any relaxing but the total lifting of the siege. Tonight, word came out of Doha that Abbas and Meshaal agreed on something or other. That doesn’t sound very good for the Palestinians because Abbas has been campaigning for a cease-fire to Israel’s advantage. Hopefully Abbas changed his position and decided to side with Gaza.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 21, 2014, 3:30 pm

        Interesting.

        I agree that the only thing acceptable is a TOTAL end to the siege, with, preferably, all border crossing manned by EU or UN personnel. Any ‘relaxing’ of the crossing points will just mean that Israel will reimpose the siege with even greater vengeance once the world looks away, which it will very soon.

        Problem is: There is no way Israel will consent to a total lifting of the siege. Meshaal said today that he won’t accept anything less, but who knows, it may have been bluster. Abbas is almost as untrustworthy as Bibi. I have also read that the Egyptians are open to ‘changing some details’ on ‘their’ proposal for a ‘ceasefire’. Let’s see.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        July 21, 2014, 7:24 pm

        The last time Israel invaded Gaza, the ceasefire was supposed to be followed by Egyptian-mediated negotiations on the siege and other outstanding issues. But then we never heard any more about it. Either no such negotiations took place or they led nowhere.

      • Walid
        July 21, 2014, 3:36 pm

        Word starting to leak out about a long term hudna with international guarantees of which the jihad group is refusing to allow any American involvement in it.

      • oldgeezer
        July 21, 2014, 8:56 pm

        ” is refusing to allow any American involvement in it.”

        Entirely understandable.

      • Shingo
        July 22, 2014, 1:36 am

        Mahane, you may be right in what you say about the longer time frame that Israel needs to ascertain deaths, but regrettably because of Israel’s past record of lying about its dead, it cannot be given the benefit of the doubt.

        I second that Walid,

        I was debating some Israeli supporter about that the other day and he insisted that the numbers had to be accurate because Jewish stricture requires the bodies to be buried within a day or so. I reminded him that Netenyahu kept the deaths of the 3 youths kidnapped secret from the parents for 2 weeks, so the Israeli government history of lying, even to it’s own people, is well established.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 21, 2014, 3:48 pm

        @Walid;

        Yesterday morning (Sunday 21.7.14) you reported here that in addition to the 13 dead IDF soldiers there are more 20 dead, which today I can write it is not correct (I am not speaking about the 7 dead Israeli soldiers from today morning).

        I very appreciate your efforts to search the media and report here the news. But I think that sometimes we should be careful and wait a little before we publish the news. Not each report, even from a reliable source, is correct.

        I want to emphasize again and I hope I won’t receive bad replies like yesterday: Israel never hide the news about dead soldiers. It takes little time before Israel announces the bad news since the bodies have to be first recognized by the families.

        Israel is a small country and it is impossible to hide a fact about Israeli soldier died in the battle.

      • Walid
        July 21, 2014, 4:20 pm

        Mahane, you may be right in what you say about the longer time frame that Israel needs to ascertain deaths, but regrettably because of Israel’s past record of lying about its dead, it cannot be given the benefit of the doubt.

        It brings to mind Israel’s botched raid at Mansouriyeh, Lebanon in 1997 when Hizbullah was waiting for them in ambush after having hacked into drone transmissions, which resulted in the 12 servicemen of Shetayet getting killed. Israel at the time told the relatives of the 12 dead Israelis that they had died during a military exercise. The truth came out only 13 years later in 2010 when Hizbullah released videotapes of the hacked video transmissions and actual videotape of the landing and the ambush. Last we heard about Israel’s lying on this matter was that the relatives of 12 killed servicemen had sued the Israeli government for having lied to them.

        Getting back to the current war on Gaza, after it will be over, you will be discovering that the number of actual Israeli deaths is closer to 50.

      • lysias
        July 21, 2014, 5:15 pm

        I see you’ve returned to writing unidiomatic English. Funny thing that.

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 10:23 am

        “I very appreciate your efforts to search the media and report here the news. But I think that sometimes we should be careful and wait a little before we publish the news.”

        “What you mean-um ‘we’, paleface?” As Tonto famously said.

        “We” should be careful? Hey mehane, are you “settling” in here? Want me to subdivide my property and give you half, or should I take it from my neighbor?

      • Shingo
        July 22, 2014, 1:28 am

        Walid,

        I have been searching through all the threads for your comments.

        I have to commend you for your comments and analysis. It’s been by far the most informative and valuable to me personally. The main stream news is providing very poor and superficial crap even when they are telling the truth.

        Please keep the analysis coming and thank you.

        I almost wish you had a blog of your own I could follow.

      • Walid
        July 22, 2014, 2:09 am

        Thanks, Shingo.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 22, 2014, 2:05 pm

        Mooser:

        “We” should be careful? Hey mehane, are you “settling” in here? Want me to subdivide my property and give you half, or should I take it from my neighbor?

        No, I don’t want nothing from you, just stop analyze each word in my comments, usually out of topic.

        My name is Mahane, not Mehane. In Hebrew, Mehane is Enjoyable thing causes good feeling, and I don’t think people here think that Zionist like me is Mehane.

      • crone
        July 21, 2014, 3:32 pm

        Absolutely Correct!!!

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 21, 2014, 4:43 pm

        @Walid;

        First, the correct word is Shayetet (not Shetayet). It comes from the Hebrew word Shayit (sailing, marine).

        The example you talk about is not what I mean. The families of the dead soldiers in the Mansouriyeh battle received the news about the death of their sons. Israel didn’t hide the fact that they died, and this is the subject of my comment.

        Maybe you right and the number will be 50 or 100. But one thing I sure, Israel won’t hide even the death of one soldier. BTW, Walid, those soldiers, 25 until now, 50 as you say, didn’t die from road accidents, but in a battles with Hamas fighters.

      • Walid
        July 22, 2014, 2:16 am

        Mahane, Israel has now admitted to 29 deaths, it still has 21 more to admit to. In time the number of declared dead will increase and Israel will simply say that the additional deaths were results of seriously injured soldiers having died. Usual Israeli lying.

      • Shingo
        July 22, 2014, 3:10 am

        Mahane, Israel has now admitted to 29 deaths, it still has 21 more to admit to.

        Where are you getting this information from Walid?

      • Walid
        July 22, 2014, 4:12 am

        “Where are you getting this information from Walid?”

        Sumud, live coverage from al-Jazeera and al Arabia that have journalists inside Israel monitoring army press releases and Israeli media and al-Mayadeen that has journalists on the West Bank and Gaza, all of them Hebrew-speaking. Watching all 3 and CNN that’s running with about 5 or 6 dead Israeli soldiers..

        Al-Jazeera offices in Gaza just took a direct hit from an Apache and it was definitely a targeted hit. Minimal damage, but the office’s staff of 30 all standing on the sidewalk just in case there’s another hit. Israeli press has been bitching that Al-Jazeera is broadcasting in a way that’s encouraging Hamas. That, combined with Lieberman’s threat could have something to do with the attack on Al-Jazeera. The station’s Jerusalem bureau chief called the government to ask about the attack and was told they are aware of it and “will investigate”.

  7. ahhiyawa
    July 21, 2014, 1:20 pm

    >>>An ability on the part of the Hamas/IJ fighters to inflict casualties on the IDF would raise the public image of the Palestinians in America.<<<

    Israelis and their supporters can smudge, distort and rewrite the battle fought in Shejaiya, but its they who disengaged & withdrew from the fighting leaving HAMAS still in possession of the contested places. That's going to be about as impossible to bury as Hezbollah's victory over the IDF in the 2nd Lebanon War.

    • MahaneYehude1
      July 22, 2014, 1:51 pm

      @Walid:

      Mahane, Israel has now admitted to 29 deaths, it still has 21 more to admit to. In time the number of declared dead will increase and Israel will simply say that the additional deaths were results of seriously injured soldiers having died. Usual Israeli lying.

      I am reading the same sources as you, like Al-Jazeera in Arabic, and I believe there is something in those reports. But, again, I sure Israel will announce about all dead IDF soldiers after full identification. Today, I learnt from Israel TV Channel 2, that the process of the identification is not easy since many soldiers were killed by anti-tank weapon (Cornet) and actually no much remained from their bodies.

      Israel is not lying in this case. Israel has its sensitivities and has to bring accurate information to the families. I sure you can understand that Israel is not Al-Jazeera and can’t published the fact that there are dead soldiers before knowing their names. Just think what such report can do to thousands of families their sons are in Gaza.

      Of course, sometimes IDF, like all armies in the world, lying to families about the CAUSES their sons were killed in order to prevent from the enemy sensitive information, like sensitive places attacked by missiles or destruction of sensitive infrastructure.

      BTW, Walid, those 40 dead IDF soldiers were killed in several different combats with Hamas fighters. Until now, Hamas didn’t announce about its dead fighters and I didn’t see even not one photo of dead fighters although thousands of photos and videos from Gaza were published around the world. It seems to me that Hamas hides this information.

  8. just
    July 21, 2014, 1:40 pm

    an aside observation: I have muted the tv more often today than usual, because clips of Regev and Netanyahu have been playing more than ever… might be related to that pickle that Annie brought to the table on Saturday.

  9. Kay24
    July 21, 2014, 1:49 pm

    I agree with Donald and Philip, thanks to a totally difference coverage of this massacre, that we did not have access to in all the previous massacres, the world now feels it is in Gaza, that together with great reporting by folks like Ayman and Carl, and the endless tweets by those hearing the bombs, and seeing people blown to bits, is making the world much more conscious of the atrocities and excessive violence.
    Lies are unravelled, and the desperate PR by Bibi and his band of hasbara is hardly working, a fact Dermer has openly admitted.
    As for the US media, could we hope even a little bit, that some of them are finally realizing they have a conscience, and that they have to be good journalists and report the truth, challenge the lies, and have reasonable compassion for the victims?

    • Daniel Rich
      July 21, 2014, 2:48 pm

      @ Kay24,

      Q: As for the US media, could we hope even a little bit, that some of them are finally realizing they have a conscience, and that they have to be good journalists and report the truth, challenge the lies, and have reasonable compassion for the victims?

      R: Who owns the US media [90% of it]?

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 4:58 pm

        @ Daniel Rich
        Yep. 90% of US news getting to the everyday American is spewed by only 5 conglomerate news corporations, all Zionist controlled, although Murdoch goes with the Zionist flow not for ideology necessarily, but because it’s most profitable.

      • Kay24
        July 21, 2014, 5:01 pm

        It is rather hopeless isn’t it? I find it hard to believe that the world’s greatest superpower that has “freedom of speech” in it’s constitution,
        is muzzled by those who own the media, only when it comes to the crimes and brutality, of an alien nation, that has no business in our business.

  10. W.Jones
    July 21, 2014, 1:51 pm

    The American people have many admirable characteristics but their inability to see virtue in “losers” is not one of them.
    Pat Lang is certainly mistaken about this. Americans have seen plenty of virtue in losers. They usually give examples of one people brutalizing another “losing” people as an example of the losers’ virtue.

    The fact that the Native Americans were wiped out by colonists, rather than the other way around, has come to reflect virtue in Native Americans nowadays. The fact that Gaza “lost” the 2009 “war” came to reflect its virtue to the US Left.

    Thus, Pat Lang is mistaken to talk about the virtues of suicide attacks, which while having some advantages of reflecting resistance, have a downside as well.

    It’s actually human nature for people to sympathize with others who are victims. That’s why Israelis nationalists are at such pains to describe themselves this way.

    • American
      July 21, 2014, 2:20 pm

      The older Pat gets the more he gets into his bygone military glory mentality of winners and losers. He has some good insights but that mentality skews some of his views.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 5:05 pm

        We Americans cheer for the blue folks. Hold your breath for another Hollywood movie that that makes the blue folks into Palestinians.

    • RoHa
      July 21, 2014, 8:39 pm

      Bertrand Russell called this “the fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed”.

      We see it in those posters who refer to Palestinians as “beautiful”, as though they were Tolkien’s eleven folk. I think this actually does them a disservice, in that it makes them seem not quite human.
      I’m pretty sure they are, in general, as boring and ordinary as the rest of us. They scratch where they itch, grumble about their spouses, chide and cuddle their children, and die just as messily as we would if we were being bombed by the Israelis.

      • W.Jones
        July 23, 2014, 11:02 am

        RoHa,

        Isn’t it true though that Palestinians have a certain virtue in their position? The Israelis demand that the Palestinians submit to whatever they offer them, and that if the Pal.s don’t accept, then it’s their fault there is no peace. The Israelis have overwhelming force and slaughter them, yet they doggedly refuse to submit.

  11. amigo
    July 21, 2014, 2:07 pm

    Human rights group has video of the moment when a Palestinian man was murdered as he was searching in bombed out area for his relatives.

    they shot him in the hand first and when he tried to get up they(???) shot him again.

    When will someone behead this monster.

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 2:14 pm

      It’s been linked here with the very story that was published yesterday:

      link to mondoweiss.net

      Another heartbreaking, evil terrorist murder caught on video…clearly a war crime. RIP

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 5:23 pm

        126000 views on youtube.
        That’s viral

        Goes with the pics from last week of the beach and the Sderot cinema as Palestine 3 Israel -5000.

      • just
        July 21, 2014, 6:03 pm

        Good.

        Perhaps that’s why Oren was out in MANIC mode this afternoon.

    • Sumud
      July 21, 2014, 2:15 pm

      Yes just horrible, there’s a whole article devoted to this now.

    • Kay24
      July 21, 2014, 2:31 pm

      They are not human beings, they are vicious killers, sent on a rampage by their lunatic PM and blood thirsty members of this government. They are a despicable lot that belong in the sewers. A thousand curse on them.

  12. Kris
    July 21, 2014, 2:08 pm

    My wonderful husband reminds me that we have seen this before, in The Lord of the Rings.

    The doddering king of Rohan ((the U.S.)) was being advised by the evil Grima Wormtongue ((Regev and Netanyahu)), whose every word was a lie calculated to benefit the evil sorcerer Saruman ((Israel)). Things finally changed when Gandalf ((Philip Weiss and all the rest of those people who are working so tirelessly for peace and justice)) exposed the truth.

    • eljay
      July 21, 2014, 2:32 pm

      >> Kris: My wonderful husband reminds me that we have seen this before, in The Lord of the Rings.

      I want to like the analogy, but it has one major flaw: Unlike Théoden, the U.S. (leaders and politicians) is not a noble actor deceived about the actual state of affairs. It knows full well what is happening and chooses to side with injustice and immorality over justice, accountability and equality.

    • michelle
      July 21, 2014, 5:44 pm

      .
      i find the world to be likened to the
      hunger games trilogy 1% v 99% (books not movies)
      with the 1% playing the 99% against each other
      .
      may the odds be ever in your favor
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

  13. American
    July 21, 2014, 2:12 pm

    I am not as optimistic as Phil.
    The main opportunity I see in this latest Gaza massacre by Israel is getting the public (s) while they are hot and bothered, changing their minds and whatever previous conceptions about Israel they had and converting them to anti Isr-USA-P/I.
    This Isr crime will fade from the news and be replaced with another horror but if you can get to people *right now on what Israel & US politicians are* in this massacre–it will stay with them.
    So while not as optimistic as Phil, I do think these breaks in the media are important and help the (non net) public see the truth or at the very least start them questioning US support of Israel.

    • Justpassingby
      July 21, 2014, 2:23 pm

      American

      Exactly!
      This in my view, nonsense optimism just hurt the movement.
      As you say Israel got HUGE support in this war no one protesting.

    • seafoid
      July 21, 2014, 2:46 pm

      I think it’ll be more of a slow burner like the decline of Sony. Israel is not going to get rabid attachment rates typical of their grandparents from the generation that sends selfies of its genitals to other members of the generation. Israel is just not as exciting or as compelling as that.

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 3:37 pm

        “Israel is not going to get rabid attachment rates typical of their grandparents from the generation that sends selfies of its genitals to other members of the generation”

        They’re sending “selfies” of their genitals to their grandparents?
        Wow, that’s crude.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 3:48 pm

        Hey Mooser

        This should go into your thesis

        link to haaretz.com

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 10:26 am

        ” This should go into your thesis

        link to haaretz.com of it.”

        Seafoid, if you are going to link to NSFW stuff, please warn me, okay? I do not expect to see porn when I click your links, and found it quite shocking and dismaying.
        Maybe you leave that kind of stuff around for grandchildren to read, but I don’t approve. XXX Ziocaine porn.

      • eljay
        July 22, 2014, 11:04 am

        >> seafoid: This should go into your thesis
        >> link to haaretz.com: 80% of British Jews feel blamed for Israeli actions

        80% of British Jews have…
        – Zio-supremacist Jews the world over;
        – the supremacist “Jewish State” of (Greater) Israel; and
        – Bibi “King of the Jews” Netanyahu,
        …to thank for how they feel.

    • Mooser
      July 21, 2014, 3:16 pm

      “So while not as optimistic as Phil…”

      Look, I just want to put in a word for ol’ naive, optimistic Phil. I mean, if a guy can’t take a position that involves a certain amount of optimism, a position that can’t see solutions or amelioration, even if they only consist of reducing Zionist intransigence, as well as problems and disasters, why go through all the trouble, expense, and commitment of publishing Mondoweiss? Wouldn’t be much point.
      And to only have negative, pessimistic (using the two terms pretty generally, of course) assessments when positive ones can be evoked is in its own way biased.

      Which reminds me, an optimist and a pessimist walked into a bar, and… Oh, you’ve heard it before? Sorry.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 3:26 pm

        Mooser

        Do you know that reworked Fred Allen joke that goes :

        You could stuff all the sincerity in Israel’s government in a flea’s navel and still have room left to conceal eight caraway seeds and a Zionist’s heart.

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 3:41 pm

        “Do you know that reworked Fred Allen joke that goes : “

        Of course I do, but I always heard it with cardamon seeds, not caraway seeds. No wonder I never get any laughs with it. I’ll tell it your way from now on, it’s much funnier! Thanks.

    • Donald
      July 22, 2014, 12:10 am

      ” I do think these breaks in the media are important and help the (non net) public see the truth or at the very least start them questioning US support of Israel.”

      I’ve been reading a lot of comments after NYT articles in the past several days. Some of the stories have been decent, and allowed the truth of Israeli brutality to seep through. But it’s not sinking in. A lot of people already have their preconceived view of Israel as the good guy and all you hear is that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, Hamas spends resources building tunnels, the Hamas charter, Hamas wants to kill every Jew, oh, I feel sorry for the Palestinian people but Israel has to finish the job. So much stupidity it makes you want to scream.

      A great many Americans are narcissistic racist idiots and that’s just the liberals. The really bad ones don’t even pretend to care about the ordinary Palestinians. I almost prefer them. What I can’t tolerate now are people who say they oppose the settlements, but support the war on Gaza and feel sorrow for the Palestinians, but hey, it’s got to be done. The level of stupidity and arrogance is beyond belief. God bless America.

      • Shingo
        July 22, 2014, 1:21 am

        What I can’t tolerate now are people who say they oppose the settlements, but support the war on Gaza and feel sorrow for the Palestinians, but hey, it’s got to be done. The level of stupidity and arrogance is beyond belief. God bless America.

        I share your despair Donald and agree that America is a lost cause, but hanging around the NYT and comments section is pretty masochistic. All the comments boards are being hit by Israeli apologists and the paper of record would be one of their main targets.

        Not all media outlets are that depraved. On last Saturday’s podcast of KCRW’s Left, Right and Centre, Bob Sheer took the self describes centrist and wannabe Congressional candidate, MAtt Miller to task.
        link to kcrw.com

        Miller was appaling. Obsessing about the rockets and only giving a cursory mention of the Palestinian death toll, not even bothering to mention the bombing by Israel. Even when Sheer laid out that Netanyahu was an extremist hell bent on destroying the Hamas/Fatah accord, that he had exploited the kidnapping/murder of the three boys to whip up public hatred and hysteria to rally support for bombing Gaza, that Hamas were observing the ceasefire and trying to stop militants firing rockets at Israel, and that the siege was creating misery for the Palestinians in Gaza, Miller still could not insisted that he could not imagine what other choice Israel had but to bomb Gaza.

        Yes that’s right, it never occurred to him that ISrael could have stuck to the ceasefire and not attacked Hamas to begin with. It reminded me very much of Jew Psaki’s deer and the headlights response to the question as to whether Palestinians had a right to defend themselves.

        Even worse, when Sheer gave his summation, he smugly acknowledged “allowing” Bob to have his say, made a personal disclaimer as if to maintain his Zionist bona fides. Truly sickening.

        The encouraging thing is that the comments section – which I admit I filled with my refutations of the hasbra trolls – almost unanimously applauded Sheer and condemned Miller for sounding like an Israeli spokesman.

        Just as importantly Donald, is that the sentiment from outside America is turning very noticeably against the US for it’s support of Israel. Through Europe, the sentiment is seething with anger. From what I can see, the world and the region in general, is starting to realize that any solution to this problem or ceasefire can only be reached by excluding US involvement.

      • Donald
        July 22, 2014, 12:45 pm

        Shingo–I’ve heard it’s different outside the US. Unfortunately the US is the world’s superpower. So far we’ve managed to keep enabling Israel to do whatever it wants. Hopefully that will gradually change, maybe with the younger generation.

      • American
        July 22, 2014, 8:35 am

        Donald says:

        July 22, 2014 at 12:10 am

        ” I do think these breaks in the media are important and help the (non net) public see the truth or at the very least start them questioning US support of Israel.”

        I’ve been reading a lot of comments after NYT articles in the past several days. Some of the stories have been decent, and allowed the truth of Israeli brutality to seep through. But it’s not sinking in.>>>>>

        Donald, ..ask why after years and years— and I’ve been on the NYT and other major news comment boards for years—–the comments ‘suddenly’ turn from a majority of ‘critical’ on Israel to what you are seeing now.
        This sudden ‘180 degree turn’ in comments indicates the usual rat in the woodpile at the NYT Zionist flagship.
        You think they wouldnt minipulate the comments?….of course they would.
        The more heat on and outcry about Israel the more their press and media organs will try to censor, fire, shut down not just reporters and public figures , but any signs that a lot of the US public is against Israel.

      • Donald
        July 22, 2014, 12:52 pm

        “Donald, ..ask why after years and years— and I’ve been on the NYT and other major news comment boards for years—–the comments ‘suddenly’ turn from a majority of ‘critical’ on Israel to what you are seeing now.”

        I’ve been wondering about that too. One theory of mine is that maybe some people are encouraged to go online and defend Israel. Another is that a lot of ordinary and fairly ignorant people who normally pay little attention to this issue do start paying attention during periods of extreme violence, and they think they know all the important things there are to know–in particular, they know that Hamas is pure evil and uses civilians as human shields and Israel is doing the best it can to avoid hurting civilians and Israel left Gaza and received rocket fire… A casual aquaintance with the topic from the MSM would easily mislead the average person into believing this.

        I do suspect some pro-Israel bias in how the “NYT picks” are chosen, but there are some decent critical of Israel pieces picked as well. However, they often pick a lot of really stupid pieces which areinexcusably bad. I seriously doubt they’d ever pick a blatantly anti-semitic one, or even allow such a post to be published. This might be unconscious bias.

  14. Jenin Younes
    July 21, 2014, 2:13 pm

    Thoughtful post and I agree with you. People seemed more outraged this time around and it also seems to be that people who are less-informed are horrified and it’s hitting home that nothing justifies this massacre. The media appears less willing to simply accept Israel’s justifications and tow the Zionist line. The justifications of Israel’s supporters are getting more and more ridiculous, so that anyone with basic critical thinking skills can realize how outrageous their arguments are, even without knowing all that much about the background of the conflict.

    • Citizen
      July 21, 2014, 5:20 pm

      Well, it has not trickled down to Dick and Jane; I know, because I live among that couple. BRIC’s another significant force that has not trickled down.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 5:41 pm

        Brick is Russia, China, India, and Brazil. You also must consider Iran. This group is important if you think usury and money from nothing is important. Any takers on this counter influence on Rothschild, 1913 US Federal Reserve, and Nixon’s foray into trickle down paper money?

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 10:31 am

        “Any takers on this counter influence on Rothschild, 1913 US Federal Reserve, and Nixon’s foray into trickle down paper money?”

        I’ll see your Rothchilds and Nixons, and raise you one Trilateral Commission!
        Okay Citizen, read ‘em and weep!

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 11:48 am

        @ Mooser
        Your comment is just an extension of what I said, your reference to the Trilateral Commission. Why should I weep? Your raise is effective to me. I think we are on the same page: link to globalresearch.ca

        Am I wrong?

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 5:26 pm

        “Am I wrong?”

        Well, since you ask, hardly ever. Just be your bad self!

  15. Justpassingby
    July 21, 2014, 2:22 pm

    I think that is nonsense to be frank,
    in Cast Lead reports after said that Israel likely carried out CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
    What happend since?!

    There is no change! Stop fooling yourself please!

  16. Daniel Rich
    July 21, 2014, 2:26 pm

    Q: There is growing space to voice criticism of our closest friend in the Middle East…

    R: ‘our?’ ‘closets friend?’ Are you sure? Most certainly not mine.

    • Kathleen
      July 21, 2014, 3:43 pm

      Calls into Washington Journal about the conflict are really demonstrating what is going on. Callers far more educated, far more fact based which means they fall on the side of the Palestinians. Also expressing outrage at what they are finally seeing on the MSM…real pictures of the death and injuries of Palestinians and the disproportionate use of force by Israeli’s.

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 11:51 am

        Gee I thought those pics of dead and dying Palestinian kids was just an anti-“Semitic” (anti-Israel) prop, a cardboard pose. Bibi said so, just as if those kids didn’t actually die in their diapers from US funded Israeli F-16s & Apache attack helicopters.

  17. Tzombo
    July 21, 2014, 2:41 pm

    The Gawker even brought us this: link to gawker.com

  18. Sycamores
    July 21, 2014, 2:45 pm

    MSNBC Contributor Slams Network For Pro-Israel Coverage: ‘We Are Ridiculous!’

    link to talkingpointsmemo.com

    brought to my attention by a MJ Rosenberg tweet

    • American
      July 21, 2014, 4:48 pm

      ” Sycamores says:

      July 21, 2014 at 2:45 pm

      MSNBC Contributor Slams Network For Pro-Israel Coverage: ‘We Are Ridiculous!
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      As gloomy as I am that gave me a laugh.
      I had a vision of cable new pundits running around with their hair on fire screaming ..WE ARE RIDICULOUS!…WE ARE RIDICULOUS!
      If only….

      • Sycamores
        July 21, 2014, 6:13 pm

        ….if only news pundits were hamsters

      • RoHa
        July 21, 2014, 8:45 pm

        They aren’t?

      • RoHa
        July 21, 2014, 8:58 pm

        I hope Phil is right.

        Right now the Australian media is full of MH17 and Abbott’s efforts to make an enemy of Putin. Gaza is very much a second or third level story. This is partly. understandable because Australians form the second largest national group among the victims. (The largest group were Dutch.)

        But when the Gaza story comes through, the media do seem a teeny bit more critical of Israel than previously.

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 11:55 am

        Judging from my personal direct realm of Americans, very teeny is the blowback to Israel from Israel ‘s foreign policy, most especially in its pertaining to Gaza.

  19. Kathleen
    July 21, 2014, 2:50 pm

    “It’s happening” Yes indeed. MSNBC far more balanced than ever before which means the facts on the ground are actually being shown on that outlet. The disproportionate amount of force that Israel has and continues to use against the Palestinians and the disproportionate amount of deaths, injuries and displacement being talked about on almost each show.

    Just in the last hour Rula Jebreal called out the MSMedia’s complicity in the inaccurate reporting over the years. Eli Lake tried to make it appear that the recent shift in the reporting has always been taking place. Rula even called out her co worker Andrea Mitchell’s leanings. Wonder if Rula will be knocked out of MSNBC for this one.

    Issues the MSM is still not showing.
    Accurate maps of the West Bank. They always ALWAYS show maps of West Bank being one contiguous piece of land.

    Few are talking about how Hamas does not want to deal with Egypt’s newly appointed leader after a democratically elected leader of Egypt was overthrown by the military. Not talking about how Israel has blocked Qatar or Turkey being brokers in a truce.

    No one talking about how Palestinians have a right to protect their communities, homes, lives etc from more land theft.

    Tonight an interview will be on Brian Williams with Netanyahu. Will Williams have Abbas on tomorrow night? Will he?

    Ronan Farrow, Joy Reid on MSNBC really trying to cover the issue accurately.

    • lysias
      July 21, 2014, 2:57 pm

      I wonder if NBC’s publicly-forced climbdown over Mohyeldin has resulted in a power shift within NBC that allows its newscasters to say what they really think.

    • MHughes976
      July 21, 2014, 3:58 pm

      The changes in media attitudes seem to me to be genuine but so far rather marginal. There’s a long, long way to go. But the road is not infinitely long.

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 12:09 pm

      @ Kathleen
      Thanks for the update on US media coverage. Will check it out on cable TV tonight.

  20. hophmi
    July 21, 2014, 3:00 pm

    I notice Mondoweiss has ignored the latest attacks on the Jewish community in Paris.

    link to haaretz.com

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 3:08 pm

      are you in Paris?

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 3:22 pm

        “are you in Paris?”

        As long as Hophmi is here, we will always have Paris.

        Hophmi, look, it’s been nice, but if you don’t get on that plane to Israel, you’ll regret it. Oh, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday soon, and for the rest of your life.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 21, 2014, 3:35 pm

        LOL Mooser very good. I don’t think hophmi’s problems amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world though.

        BTW it’s always so funny when you take the piss out of someone and then, right on cue, they do EXACTLY what you were mocking them for. I said a few days ago that while hophmi was curiously silent about the mass slaughter being inflicted by his hero army in Gaza, he remains TERRIBLY sensitive to ‘anti-semitism’ taking place in another continent. Poor guy is so traumatised he forget to offer us his justification for why Israel has bombed yet another hospital.

        Priorities, priorities.

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 3:47 pm

        “I don’t think hophmi’s problems amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world though.”

        And he is shocked, shocked, I tell you, to discover anything bad, let alone war crimes, going on in Israel.

        Now play “The Hatikvah”! Go ahead, play it!

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 21, 2014, 3:51 pm

        ”Now play “The Hatikvah”! Go ahead, play it!”

        And the stern little nod from Rick. LOVE it!

        link to youtube.com

        BTW didn’t the Israelis steal their national anthem, just like they stole their country?

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 5:26 pm

        I think Hatikva was based on this song

        It certainly is now

        Nihilism, Nihilism über alles,
        Über alles in der Welt,
        Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
        Brüderlich zusammenhält.
        Von der Golan bis an die Roten Meer
        Von der Med bis an den Jordan,
        |: Nihilism ,Nihilism über alles,
        Über alles in der Welt! :|

    • Mooser
      July 21, 2014, 3:19 pm

      “I notice Mondoweiss has ignored the latest attacks on the Jewish community in Paris.”

      So this time the JDL found the Synagogue, instead of mistaking a parking garage for a schul?

      • DaBakr
        July 21, 2014, 3:41 pm

        he’s angry because another few 100 to 1000 French Jews will move to Israel refuting the argument here on MW that Israel is not a necessary haven for Jews. I’m sure he’ll have a snarky wise-cracking answer but I believe another 500 French Jewish families are arranging to leave France next month as well. Nothing historically familiar about this. And just watch how the folks here-known for their vocal distaste of ‘blaming the victim’ -will almost certainly: ‘blame the victim’. Unless they want to explain what French Jews have to do with Israeli defense policy.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 21, 2014, 3:49 pm

        Hmmmm…… going by this reply, you’d almost think some Zionists WANTED there to be anti-semitic attacks in Europe? But that would NEVER happen, would it?

        But I’ve got news for you: It’ll take much more than a few hundred French Jews to save Israel. Much, much more.

      • German Lefty
        July 21, 2014, 4:13 pm

        Hmmmm…… going by this reply, you’d almost think some Zionists WANTED there to be anti-semitic attacks in Europe? But that would NEVER happen, would it?

        That made me laugh!

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 4:07 pm

        “he’s angry because another few 100 to 1000 French Jews will move to Israel refuting the argument “

        The argument that Zionism is a parasite on Jews in trouble? The argument that Zionism thinks any misunderstandings, misconceptions, or misgivings between Jews and others works in Zionism’s favor?
        That Zionism wants frightened and dispossessed Jews delivered to Israel, and completely dependent on Zionist largess?
        And the argument that all the energy, money and blood which has been sacrificed towards a nihilistic, militaristic, supremacist non-solution for the problems of the Jews might have been better spent elsewhere?
        I’ve got no argument with that what-so-friggin-ever. No argument at all.

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2014, 4:16 pm

        “Unless they want to explain what French Jews have to do with Israeli defense policy.”

        Israel has a “defense policy”? Who knew? What are they ‘defending’, their borders? Without being willing to have borders, Israel is pretty much in a state of constant aggression, in fact, still occupying others territory. Under those circumstances to speak of “defense” is ludicrous.
        Try something else, that one is a non-starter.

      • Citizen
        July 21, 2014, 8:01 pm

        @ Netanyahu on MSNBC Now: “Hamas wants to pile up more Palestinian dead.”

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 12:16 pm

      @ hophmi
      Americans are not giving France tons of stringless US taxpayer dollars, plus, interest, nor are they underwriting France’s debt, all this when Detroiters are having their utilities cut off, even if the debt owed to the city of Detroit is owed by past occupants or owners in the homes impacted. Believe it or not, hophmi, there’s a wide world of full-fledged humans outside of Jews, most especially those Jews who are Zionists. Try another whattabout. Your’s is stale and stupid.

  21. Daniel Rich
    July 21, 2014, 3:15 pm

    OMFG!

    “As international concern mounted over the growing casualties on both sides in the conflict, now in its 14th day,” LINK.

    What’s the score now, 350 to 1?

    Well, Philip, here’s your WaPo with more honest journalism…

  22. ckg
    July 21, 2014, 3:16 pm

    Nationally syndicated editorial cartoons are an excellent weathervane of MSM attitudes. I have not seen much recent change in wind direction.

    Many cartoonists are hostile to Palestinians in the conflict:
    Glenn McCoy,
    Michael Ramirez,
    Nick Anderson,
    Steve Breen,
    Henry Payne,
    Lisa Benson,
    Jim Morin.

    Other cartoonists are neutral or critical of both sides:
    Pat Oliphant,
    Tom Toles,
    Matt Wuerker,
    Scott Stantis,
    Jack Ohman,
    Gary Varvel,
    Robert Ariail.

    Fewer are sympathetic to the Palestinians or critical of Israel:
    Ted Rall,
    Matt Bors,
    Mike Luckovich.
    Ann Telnaes.

    Unfortunately, Ann Telnaes is predictably receiving threats of violence for her cartoon depicting Netanyahu punching a Palestinian baby.

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 12:28 pm

      @ ckg
      Thanks for the analysis of the cartoonists take on this situation. It’s depressing when political cartoonists are more supportive of Israel’s policy than not. Not many George Grosz types around these day. Slipping via Grosz to fine art–where’s the current Gaza version of the painting Guerinca? I guess contemporary fine artists are a status quo lot? Do we need more Expressionism these days? What’s the difference between then and now? Hard to see why internationally criminal Israel is getting off so easily–do we attribute it to the fact the state of Israel paints Stars of David on its free F-16 and Apache helicopters?

  23. gracie fr
    July 21, 2014, 3:20 pm

    This the latest in a series of Gaza massacres is certainly influencing the opinion of ordinary people world wide as the coverage has been remarkably “in your face” through images and an hour by hour body count. We have seen there are real people living in the impersonal spacial grid which is Gaza. Remember however, that the United States has followed/coauthored the IDF manuel, from missile launched targeted assasinations, to drone killings, to storming civilian neighborhoods, not to mention the use of chemical weapons (Fallujah) and disproportionate (aysemetrical) use of force (battalions of Marines stormng villages in Afghanistan). And along with Israel, the US has invented a very fluid/malable view of the International Conventions with regard to the Rules of War. Eventual incrimination before a human rights tribunal will be a dual affair, as the war crimes of one pertain to the other. It is of no wonder that Richard Goldstone went down in smoke….

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 12:43 pm

      @ gracie fr
      Goldstone went down in smoke because he couldn’t take Jewish shunning, not so dissimilar than Amish shunning. It comes with the tribal territory he couldn’t climb over; it was easier when he was speaking for humanism in Christian apartheid S Africa. After all , he was not a Christian. Is he the archtype for many American Jewish liberals as a whole? IMO, hard to say NO. Can I say “Barnie Frank”?

  24. Annie Robbins
    July 21, 2014, 3:30 pm

    great phil. thanks

  25. Kathleen
    July 21, 2014, 3:39 pm

    Morning Joe and Mika still have their noses up Israel’s ass. This morning they had Israel’s Consul General Ido Aharani on along with Dan Senor. Who can beat on the support Israel no matter what drums better than Dan?

    And then all of these absurd lectures from warmongering Senator Feinstein (who should be investigated for her family profits from the Iraq war) lecturing Putin about “accepting responsibility” and that he should “man up” How does that go the “kettle calling the pot black” On Morning Joe they were also going on about Russian propaganda and how the Russian media is state run. Can any of them say Iraq? And the way the Israel Palestinian conflict has not been covered by our MSM even close to accurately up until recently. The coverage is certainly changing and as I often say better late than never.

  26. German Lefty
    July 21, 2014, 3:50 pm

    Collier Meyerson (@collier), web producer for @allinwithchris, tweeted this an hour ago:

    “It happened to us, so it should never happen to anyone, ever. Especially not at our hands.” -@sarahmseltzer
    link to blogs.forward.com

  27. Mooser
    July 21, 2014, 3:55 pm

    “OK, Mooser. You’re a piece of garbage, but at least you’re transparent about it.”

    Hophmi, my fiend, I think this is the beginning of a long and beautiful friendship.
    But don’t worry, Hophmi, I’m used to being called “a piece of garbage”. Usually the same people saying that call me “a typical Jew”, too.
    Of course, that’s certainly a distinction you would never aspire to, and I wouldn’t even suggest such a thing..

    • Sycamores
      July 21, 2014, 4:23 pm

      Ugarte (played by Peter Lorre):

      You know, Rick, I have many a friend in Casablanca, but somehow, just because you despise me, you are the only one I trust.

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2014, 10:35 am

        Okay, I get it now, Hophmi wants me to fix a gambling game so he can win enough money to fly to Israel. And I’ll do it, too, because Paris!

      • Sycamores
        July 22, 2014, 2:15 pm

        i was wondering what sort of conversation you and Hophmi would have at Rick’s bar.

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 1:00 pm

      @ Hophmi
      I don’t think Mooser is a piece of garbage at all. Where do you live? Mooser’s a moral and ethical person, I think moved by the best of both American and Jewish best values. I like to think they are the same; at least they are both concerned with Justice IMO.

  28. Kathleen
    July 21, 2014, 3:57 pm

    Mark Regev keeps repeating how Americans and the international community are with Israel. Just not the case. American leaders…we get that..but U.S. citizens opinions finally shifting now that they are actually getting more accurate information.

    • hophmi
      July 21, 2014, 4:44 pm

      Please document said shift in US public opinion. I think it’s a fantasy.

      There are a lot of pictures of dead Palestinians kids on the air, and every one of those deaths is a horrible tragedy. Americans are not used to seeing this on the air because, when the US was killing 100,000 civilians in Iraq, and 30,000 civilians in Afghanistan, the media was not covering those stories.

      But, yes, this is exactly what Hamas wants. Lots of pictures of dead kids on TV. That translates into money and political support. It is, after all, the organization that says it loves death as much as the Israelis love life.

      Israel experienced many years of suicide bombings. I can’t recall graphic pictures of the bodies of dead Israeli kids or adults being shown on TV very often. I guess they just don’t do that sort of thing. Maybe it’s because they haven’t “indigenized” enough.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 21, 2014, 4:56 pm

        Amazing the power you credit Hamas with – their ability to force Israel to attack hospitals and kill children, and then get it on primetime tv. Truly, Israel could learn some lessons from these masters of PR, they are way behind with their cute cartoons and unbelievable robotic spokesmen (henceforth known as regevs).

      • Donald
        July 21, 2014, 7:22 pm

        “Israel experienced many years of suicide bombings. I can’t recall graphic pictures of the bodies of dead Israeli kids or adults being shown on TV very often. I guess they just don’t do that sort of thing. Maybe it’s because they haven’t “indigenized” enough.’

        You are really cracking up, aren’t you? Wow. That was a new low. And not a chance you’ll acknowledge it. By the way, I seem to recall Hamas suicide bombings getting quite a bit of attention, vastly more attention than the larger number of Palestinian civilians killed by Israelis during the 2nd intifada.

      • hophmi
        July 21, 2014, 10:39 pm

        I’m not cracking up, Donald. I’m being cynical, just like a lot of people here. You’re being naive if you can’t acknowledge that these graphic pictures on TV are a part of Hamas strategy. It’s Max Blumenthal who said Jews who weren’t willing to indigenize should leave. Besides being a genocidal comment, it also raises the question of what indigenize mean. Perhaps it means that to be a part of the region, one has to take on the bad habits as well as the good ones. Israelis do not generally parade their dead for the TV cameras. Hamas does, and so do others in the region. But perhaps to be more like them, Israel should start, so that CNN will have something compelling to show on television, since, apparently, it’s not notable if a Hamas rocket hits a kindergarten. No, there needs to be dead kindergarteners for there to be media interest. Build a great, technologically advanced society, cure disease, invent stuff, screw that. Make great food, show people great hospitality, show people how peaceful prayer is in the Al-Aqsa mosque, show them Birzeit University, screw that. Where are your dead people?

      • Donald
        July 22, 2014, 1:04 pm

        Come on, hophmi, whether Israel parades its dead in front of TV cameras or not, they certainly aren’t shy about publicizing their dead and ignoring the innocent dead their soldiers have killed. I see this constantly whenever a pro-Israel type brings up the Second Intifada period and if one of those Hamas rockets hits and kills some civilians (and I for one hope none do), Israel will make damn sure it gets every conceivable moment of media attention it can. I wouldn’t blame them on that point, though I do blame them on virtually everything else. No one would ever know from the pro-Israel side that the majority of the civilian dead were Palestinian killed by the IDF. Calling attention to the atrocities committed by the other side against your own and justifying your own atrocities against the enemy is a cultural universal. How that’s done may vary, but certainly the suicide bombings against Israel received a huge amount of press, as they should and any “successful” rocket attack on Israeli civilians will be front page news on every newspaper in America.

        “It’s Max Blumenthal who said Jews who weren’t willing to indigenize should leave. Besides being a genocidal comment, it also raises the question of what indigenize mean. Perhaps it means that to be a part of the region, one has to take on the bad habits as well as the good ones. ”

        Don’t know exactly what he meant, but it doesn’t sound genocidal to me. It sounds like “willing to get along with the neighbors ” is probably what he meant. I doubt he meant that Israel should adopt its neighbor’s worst habits (or vice versa). That’s just you deliberately putting the worst interpretation on it.

      • Sumud
        July 21, 2014, 7:27 pm

        It’s not just Palestinians that want zionist atrocities exposed hophmi, it’s everyone.

        The ugly little spartan state has worn out it’s welcome.

        For an organisation that you say loves death Hamas seem to be doing pretty well, especially considering the limited resources they have. About 25 IDF and 2 civilians.

        By comparison the IDF are just on a stupid murderous rampage. Not a lot of courage required to push a button and rain down death from the sky is there? Not a lot of honour killing woman and children.

      • talknic
        July 21, 2014, 10:55 pm

        @hophimi ” this is exactly what Hamas wants. Lots of pictures of dead kids on TV. “

        WOW! When you believe your own propaganda you’re in deep sh*te.

        Hamas is drawn from the Palestinian population. They’re grown up Palestinian kids who’ve lived their WHOLE lives under the jackboot of occupation. The kids you stupidly say they want killed for publicity purposes are of the brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins of Hamas.

        Sorry pal, your bullsh*t doesn’t make the grade here, but please do keep wading around in it, it’s so revealing as to the types of people who support Israel’s illegal expansionist policies.

      • hophmi
        July 21, 2014, 11:15 pm

        It’s funny how Israelis die and you people ask who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory. But when I suggest, based on Hamas’s own propaganda, and its practice of telling people not to evacuate, that they want dead civilians on TV to gain public support, you profess ignorance.

        No one outside the cult is fooled by this, talknic.

      • Walid
        July 22, 2014, 2:21 am

        “No one outside the cult is fooled by this, talknic.”

        Sounds like a confession of sorts, hophmi, glad to see you’ve come clean and accepted that your Zionism is a cult.

      • talknic
        July 22, 2014, 3:12 am

        @ Hophmi “It’s funny how Israelis die and you people ask who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory”

        Problem. It isn’t funny when ANYONE DIES and I haven’t asked “who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory” Your need to fabricate only shows honest folk how dis-honest you are.

        “But when I suggest, based on Hamas’s own propaganda, and its practice of telling people not to evacuate”

        Again you’re fabricating. Hamas is not telling people to ignore the warnings to evacuate their soon to be bombed homes. They’re being told to ignore Israeli propaganda

        First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

        Again your need to fabricate and twist what has been said only shows how dishonest YOU are!

        ” that they want dead civilians on TV to gain public support”

        When you believe your own propaganda, like the Nazis, you become part of the problem!

        ” you profess ignorance

        Poking holes in your precious propaganda mantras isn’t ignorance. Your propaganda mantras are tho…. Keep up th’ good work pal, your dis-service to your cause is brilliant
        “No one outside the cult is fooled by this, talknic.”

        Your arrogance and denial overfloweth like settler sh*t onto a Palestinian farm, keep wading, dude, it’s fun to watch

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 5:05 pm

        @ talknic
        Bill Maher asked (he thought rhetorically as he had a Zionist-packed panel his show), “Well, what do you expect if your cousins, aunts and uncles are firing rockets into Israel, if not Israel firing back?” His “progressive” audience applauded. During the whole show nobody ever mentioned the occupation of the WB or the 7 year siege of Gaza. It was all about how Jews have tons of scientific awards and Arabs have only a couple, and how Congress votes 100% for Israel because Americans love Israel.

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 1:03 pm

        “[Hamas] is after all, the organization that says it loves death as much as the Israelis love life.” Source? You confuse HAMAS with Golda Meir’s opinion of the Palestinians.

  29. just
    July 21, 2014, 4:00 pm

    Oren is saying that Hamas has a ‘media strategy’ that shows dead people……on CNN

    they ARE so DESPERATE! He is positively gushing– I can feel the spittle from thru the tube.

    Apparently he wrote an opinion piece for CNN. I have to go find it. Oh and btw– I’ve heard twice now that Hamas uses ‘child labor’ to build tunnels.

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 6:13 pm

      Here’s a snip of Oren’s ‘piece':

      “Oren: Hamas media strategy relies on deaths of civilians

      Hamas gunmen carry out attacks disguised as women and old men, fight from UN and Red Cross vehicles, store rockets in schools, and physically prevent Palestinian civilians from fleeing combat zones. This context, though, is rarely mentioned by the media when covering the civilian cost of the fighting.

      Unlike Israel, which respects the privacy and dignity of its fallen, Hamas has no difficulty in displaying these casualties to foreign cameras. And the media broadcasts them, obsessively.”

      link to cnn.com

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 6:31 pm

        “Hamas media strategy relies on deaths of civilians” is rich coming from him.

        Israeli cruelty relies on killing masses of civilians pour encourager les autres. Gaza now is no different.

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        ‘The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example for everyone’. Original documents of the time showed that Sharon personally ordered his troops to achieve “maximal killing and damage to property”, and post-operational reports speak of breaking into houses and clearing them with grenades and shooting”

      • Sumud
        July 21, 2014, 7:35 pm

        Oren is full of shit.

        This is what he’s defending: mental cases.

        Tomer Siyonov, 22, a friend of the dead soldier, who finished his own compulsory army service two months ago, drew deeply on a cigarette as the eulogies were delivered. “Hamas killed my friend; we need to kill them – not just the Hamas militants but all the people in Gaza,” he said.

        “What else should we do? Lose more friends? We don’t have a choice – if we don’t fight to the end, they will kill us.”

        link to gu.com

      • just
        July 21, 2014, 7:52 pm

        thoroughly indoctrinated.

        Not sure there’s a way to change that.

      • Kathleen
        July 22, 2014, 2:17 pm

        Israeli agent Michael Oren has been all over the MSM for years propagandizing for Israel’s crimes against humanity. Time is up. Now the MSM actually providing the American public with close to accurate information about these latest Israeli war crimes. Times are a changing.

  30. German Lefty
    July 21, 2014, 4:01 pm

    All In with Chris Hayes just posted this on Twitter:
    “Tonight we have the *exclusive* interview Tariq Khdeir, the young Palestinian-American who was severely beaten by Israeli authorities.”

    • Sumud
      July 21, 2014, 7:37 pm

      Sounds good I’ll check it out later. NBC seem to be ahead of the pack here.

      I’ve been trying to give positive feedback by twitter for good honest pieces, let them know it’s being seen, and being appreciated.

      • Citizen
        July 22, 2014, 5:14 pm

        @ Sumud
        Me too. Twitter away folks, reply sharply with actual facts to those hasbara accounts, and support the tweets trying to save #Gaza! Do it on FB too.

  31. jimbowski
    July 21, 2014, 4:54 pm

    Hey! I like your optimism, Mr. Weiss. I think you are probably correct. Love your website. I’m mostly a lurker and have great admiration for you and the people here. Thanks, man.

  32. DICKERSON3870
    July 21, 2014, 5:26 pm

    RE: Bernard Avishai had a piece at the New Yorker last week called “Watching Gaza” that said Israel is guilty of war crimes, killing civilians in an effort to discredit Hamas. And the endgame, Avishai says, is rightwing consolidation of greater Israel, and the Palestinians going to the international criminal court.

    MY COMMENT: Watching David Brooks on the PBS NewsHour Friday evening, I was a bit perplexed when he said without the slightest equivocation that Hamas had decided on a strategy of maximizing the number of civilian deaths in Gaza; and that is why Hamas had refused to accept the terms of the ceasefire proposal that had been concocted by Egypt’s Al-Sisi [after getting input from the Israelis, but not from Hamas or (apparently) any other Gazans]. Obviously David Brooks considered this to have been a “generous offer”; and he was really, really, really sad (i.e., visibly shaken) that by not accepting it, Hamas was condemning large numbers of Gazans to death as surely as if Hamas was gassing them with Zyclon B. In fact, the über-empathetic David Brooks was so terribly, terribly, terribly sad about all of the prospective Gazan deaths that would inevitably be resulting from Netanyahu’s “significant expansion” of the ground operation in Gaza (all, mind you, exclusively the fault of Hamas, and according to its own grand plan) that I almost expected to see a tear or two roll down his cheek(s).
    Now that I realize, as Avishai put it, “Israel is . . . killing civilians in an effort to discredit Hamas”, I am no longer perplexed by David Brooks’ stunning revelation that Hamas had refused to accept the terms of the ceasefire proposal (that had been concocted by Egypt’s Al-Sisi, and so quickly agreed to by Israel), due to the fact that Hamas had decided on a strategy of maximizing the number of civilian deaths in Gaza. Nor am I any longer perplexed by David Brook’s somehow seeming to know that there were going to be a lot of deaths in Gaza resulting from Netanyahu’s “significant expansion” of the ground operation; because it is pretty obvious that Brooks knew Israel’s true goal was to kill a lot of civilians in Gaza so as to (with the help of Israel’s friends in the media like David Brooks) blame all of the deaths on Hamas’ not having accepted the ceasefire proposal (i.e., the “generous offer”) in an effort by Israel to “discredit Hamas”.
    At the risk of being criticized for promoting a “conspiracy theory”, I can’t help but wonder if the Obama administration was in on this. Come to think of it, I also can’t help but wonder whether Abbas and/or the Palestine Authority was/were in on this.

    • DICKERSON3870
      July 22, 2014, 5:08 pm

      P.S. I JUST RECALLED SOMETHING. In the past, the hasbarists have often claimed that the Palestinians have tons of dead bodies (kept frozen, I guess) that they use over, and over, and over – each time as a new casualty. So, why would Hamas need to maximize the deaths like David Brooks said, if they already have all those bodies ready to thaw out and scatter around like new casualties?

  33. seafoid
    July 21, 2014, 6:20 pm

    This cast lead video has most of the themes of Protective shoot-ourselves- in-the-foot

    link to youtube.com

    There is something very postmodern about Israel’s mix of PR and senseless cruelty.

    • Citizen
      July 22, 2014, 5:20 pm

      @ seafoid
      Or retro modern, going back to the Goebbels Era in Europe.

  34. seafoid
    July 21, 2014, 6:24 pm

    link to theguardian.com

    “The Palestinian Ministry of Health has warned of an impending “environmental disaster” if Israel continues to block Gaza paramedics from retrieving bodies of the deceased in the Shujai’iya neighborhood: ”

    “The head of operations in the Middle East for the International Committee of the Red Cross has condemned “in the strongest terms” the shelling of the al-Aqsa hospital earlier today”

    link to twitter.com
    One of fathers of boys killed on gaza beach says his house attacked by israeli forces

    link to twitter.com
    several bodies thrown out of gaza building by Israeli blast. Rescuer workers, volunteers enter. Building crumbles on top of them.

    STAND WITH ISRAEL ‏@NOAWAS · 3h
    @RichardEngel GOOD JOB . SO HAPPY

    • just
      July 21, 2014, 6:30 pm

      added to an already terrible environmental situation…….

      never mind any respect for the dead, their families, or their religion.

      • seafoid
        July 21, 2014, 6:36 pm

        Maybe Yad Vashem will say something

      • just
        July 21, 2014, 6:50 pm

        heh.

        something ziotwisted like:

        Peace will come when the Arabs love/honor their dead as much as we love ours.

  35. seafoid
    July 21, 2014, 6:35 pm

    Superwoman is en route to save hasbara

    link to twitter.com

  36. just
    July 21, 2014, 8:27 pm

    On MSNBC All In:

    Whoa– Ayman just blew a ginormous hole right thru the ‘Hamas uses human shields’ BS…

    (stay safe Ayman)

    • adele
      July 21, 2014, 10:31 pm

      Just,
      please elaborate, what did Ayman say? (I may have missed something in the thread perhaps?). Thanks.

      • just
        July 21, 2014, 11:37 pm

        When asked if Hamas used civilian shields he answered that he had just asked that question of a Hamas leader and got an unequivocal no. When asked if they hid in schools, mosques and hospitals he answered that he had never seen it, had fellow journalists see it and that the ‘report’ about them storing weapons at a UN school was still under dispute. He said that he has seen Hamas fighters, they launch and then go. Every question that Hayes had for him (straight out of the MSM/Israeli feed), he had an answer for and it did not toe (or in this case, tow) the Israeli line.

        That’s pretty jumbled, but you can go to the link, go to No End in Sight and hear the interview @ 313

        link to msnbc.com

  37. subconscious
    July 21, 2014, 8:41 pm

    Someone who’ll, apparently, never abandon his cowboys-vs-savage-Indians diatribe is Bill Maher w/ a panel of like-minded propagandists:
    link to youtube.com
    He even manages to drag in the number-of-Jewish-Nobel-laureates-vs-Muslim-ones argument into this Gaza discussion! He claims that good science is done by atheists, which can’t exist in the Arab world. He, of course, forgets the contributions of the Muslim world to the development of science by observant Muslim scientists & philosophers when Europe wallowed in witch burning. He also forgets that some of history’s top Western scientists have been religious of one sort or another, such as Isaac Newton & Leonhard Euler. In more modern secular times, most scientists (in Europe & its offshoots) tend to be secular or atheist. But there exist top Western scientists who are religious, including Jewish ones. One of the Muslim world’s Nobel laureates that Maher is referring to was the late Pakistani physicist Abdus Salam, a devout Muslim from the Ahmadiyya branch of Islam (though the Ahmadiyyas have been persecuted in Pakistan).

  38. a blah chick
    July 21, 2014, 9:16 pm

    Guess what people, that Rula lady who was on earlier today talking about media bias? Well, she tweeted a little while ago that she has had all her upcoming appearances cancelled.

    Carry on.

    • MHughes976
      July 22, 2014, 3:51 am

      I’d noticed that – also that though some have reported on her remarks no one of any significance in the good old mainstream has even begun to back her up. Meanwhile Ed Miliband (springing from a respected Jewish family) does seem to have become the first mainstream Euro or Anglo leader – perhaps my vision is narrow – to say clearly that he opposes the incursion into Gaza in a statement to Huffington Post UK yesterday.

  39. SQ Debris
    July 21, 2014, 10:51 pm

    Sooner or later the glossy facade of civilization is going to peel off this golum. And probably sooner. The development of social media from 2009 to 2012 to the present has been a vertical curve. More people have more access to information than any of us (old timers) would have dreamed. This is particularly true in areas most important to the zionist charade – Europe and the United States. To parpaphrase Lao-tzu, the greatest avalanche starts with a single pebble.

  40. Walid
    July 22, 2014, 3:07 am

    Israeli Army admitted to having a “missing” soldier since 2 days.

    • Walid
      July 22, 2014, 4:03 am

      Israeli Army now saying that a couple of days back when it lost 7 soldiers, only 6 bodies were recovered and the 7 th could be the corpse of the soldier that Hamas is claiming to have captured. Guess until Hamas proves that it has the live prisoner, Israel may be right unless Israel is baiting Hamas to say if it’s got a live prisoner or a dead corpse.

      • seafoid
        July 22, 2014, 5:00 am

        It’s media chess. Israel doesn’t want to give Hamas a PR victory in front of Yossi Israeli, not now with all the dead soldiers when all they did was some garden maintenance.

        Hamas will stay schtum for at least 6 months well after any ceasefire. And get a PR victory in front of Yossi.

      • Shingo
        July 22, 2014, 5:16 am

        It’s media chess. Israel doesn’t want to give Hamas a PR victory in front of Yossi Israeli, not now with all the dead soldiers when all they did was some garden maintenance.

        Yes, it seems the wheels are falling off the early celebrations before there were any Israeli deaths. Now reality is starting to sink in and there’s nothing to show for the sacrifice.

        Israeli Mood Turns Dark With Mounting Casualties
        link to abcnews.go.com

      • seafoid
        July 22, 2014, 7:11 am

        link to haaretz.com

        “The hasbarists prefer to deny the success of Zionism, thus allowing them not to recognize its failings.
        Yeshayahu Leibowitz understood this already 60 years ago, when he wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.” ”

        And they have completely lost that now.
        BTW that book looks really interesting.

      • seafoid
        July 22, 2014, 7:31 am

        Remember last week and the optimism ?

        “According to Haaretz reporter Anshel Pfeffer an IDF officer described last night’s onslaught on Shuja’iyeh as Israel “taking off the gloves.””

  41. Walid
    July 22, 2014, 4:23 am

    For what’s it’s worth in the field of useless information, the Druze commander of the Golani brigade that was seriously injured in Gaza by Hamas was also injured 8 years ago in Bint Jbail, Lebanon by Hizbullah. Unlucky guy.

  42. Henry Norr
    July 22, 2014, 4:28 am

    More plain speaking by Anne Barnard in Tuesday’s NY Times: a moving account of a strike that killed 25 members of four households, including 19 children, as they sat down to break the Ramadan fast together.

    link to nytimes.com

  43. michelle
    July 22, 2014, 7:18 am

    .
    usually
    people who feel they have been or are being
    wronged gather and present evidence to
    support their claims if they’re able
    people who feel guilty don’t
    it’s a historically proven fact
    .
    G-d Bless
    ,

  44. JLewisDickerson
    July 22, 2014, 8:19 am

    THE MAJORITY REPORT (Sam Seder is off, but his zoo crew is not.)
    7/21 Nida Khan: Is Opinion Shifting on Israel/Palestine + The Latest MH17
    Posted on July 21, 2014 by not-sam

    Journalist Nida Khan explains the importance of Bill Maher’s Gaza and women beating tweet, how opinion on the Middle East is shifting through social media, the death toll in Gaza, creating space for progressive Israeli voices in American media and the possibility of a ceasefire.
    ● MP3 LINK – link to podtrac.com
    ● SOURCE – link to majority.fm

  45. Tuyzentfloot
    July 22, 2014, 8:27 am

    Many writers are citing J.J. Goldberg’s piece at the Forward, “How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza,” which says that Israel manipulated the teen killings in the West Bank to have a war with Hamas, and now Israel is going off a “cliff.”

    The J.JGoldberg quote made me sit up. Upon closer reading of Goldberg’s article article I think it is a bit misrepresented. There are some remarkable assertions in the article, and it avoids several cliches. It actually explains in detail how Hamas bears no blame at all for any of the events in the whole runup to the current assault. But Goldberg also claims that the army didn’t want war either and even Netanyahu didn’t really want it.His argument is not convincing but it has its merits. So I disagree with hm, the summary of the citation.

    • Tuyzentfloot
      July 22, 2014, 9:33 am

      Jeff Halper thinks the decisionmakers went for the more radical ‘plowing the grass’ (rather than ‘mowing’) and are willing to bear the PR cost. Larry Derfner hints at similar attitudes.

  46. Walid
    July 22, 2014, 9:19 am

    Kerry just held a press conference in Cairo which began with his declaration that Israel has a right to defend itself and stopped short of calling Hamas a terrorist organization. All he had to say was that the Egyptian proposal remains unchanged, which involves a cease-fire to be followed by talks between Israel and the Palestinians and a relaxation of the Rafah shutdown. A total waste of time. Both Al-Jazeera and al-Mayaden cut short their coverage because the more he spoke, the more he added insult to the Palestinians’ injuries but the Saudi al Arabia covered Kerry’s talk in full.

    Elsewhere, a rumble is brewing between Qatar and the UAE after the UAE accused Al-Jazeera of misrepresenting it. Al-Ahram wrote:

    “… UAE State Minister for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash demanded an “official apology” from Doha-based Al-Jazeera for publishing news stating that a meeting had taken place between foreign ministers of the UAE and Israel, local media said Monday.

    The website of Al-Jazeera Mubashar Misr, reported on Saturday that UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan had met with his Israeli counterpart Avigdor Lieberman and proposed “financing” the Israeli “agression” against Gaza “on the condition that Hamas would be completely eliminated.”

    Al-Jazeera was quoting a website named “Arabi21″, which in turn said it was quoting Israel’s Channel 2.

    Local Emirati media reported that Channel 2 has denied it had published such information.

    On his Twitter account, Sheikh Abdullah wrote that “I have chosen not to respond” to such claims.

    Local media has also slammed a campaign by Qatari Tweeters accusing members of the Emirati Red Crescent mission in Gaza of being “spies” for Israel.

    Columnist Mohammed al-Hammadi criticised Qatar’s “incitement against the United Arab Emirates” in an article on Abu Dhabi daily, Al-Ittihad.

    “Qatar will be held responsible for endangering the lives of the Emirati Red Crescent team due to its direct incitement against them,” he wrote.

    Qatar is a staunch supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, viewed by most conservative monarchies of the Gulf as a threat to their grip on power because of its grass-roots political advocacy and calls for Islamic governance.”

    • seafoid
      July 22, 2014, 9:23 am

      Why did he bother going to Umadunya ?
      The status quo is dying.
      Nice that it happens under Obama’s watch. Zionism reaches the logical end of the road of cruelty.

    • just
      July 22, 2014, 9:30 am

      Anyone who voluntarily meets with Lieberman is a bloodthirsty fool.

      jmo.

      • seafoid
        July 22, 2014, 10:51 am

        Ya Walid

        shufti baqa

        link to haaretz.com
        “El Al says cancellations and a slowdown in new reservations will cut its third-quarter revenues by $30 million, to $40 million.”

        Business damage at least $300 million so far is my guess

      • just
        July 22, 2014, 10:59 am

        New travel warning from State issued yesterday:

        “The U.S. Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the risks of traveling to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza due to ongoing hostilities. The Department of State recommends that U.S. citizens consider the deferral of non-essential travel to Israel and the West Bank and reaffirms the longstanding strong warning to U.S. citizens against any travel to the Gaza Strip. This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning issued on February 3, 2014. ”

        link to travel.state.gov

        That’s going to leave a mark…

        and

        “Israelis canceling Turkey vacations in droves after Erdogan’s anti-Israel remarks

        As relations between Turkey and Israel fray, Israelis have been canceling vacations booked there in droves, tourism companies say. Their favorite alternative venues are Turkey’s nemesis, Greece, and Cyprus. “Some people are opting for Barcelona instead,” says Arkia’s new CEO, Nir Dagan. ”

        link to haaretz.com

        Question: Where do the Palestinians get to vacation?

      • just
        July 22, 2014, 11:18 am

        Delta cancels all flights to Israel……….

        Big deal, since Isr always says BG is ‘safe’.

      • just
        July 22, 2014, 11:39 am

        Other US airlines following suit now.

  47. seafoid
    July 22, 2014, 9:28 am

    Some very sad pictures of the damage Israel has inflicted on ordinary life in Gaza pour encourager les autres
    link to twitter.com

    It’s a sick mentality

    link to haaretz.com
    “But the response should be carefully considered: This is a serious terror attack that requires a harsh response”

  48. kalithea
    July 22, 2014, 2:05 pm

    Nitwit yahu is contributing to his latest mediatic invention: telegenically dead count that is rising over 500.

    But no doubt he’s reassured now since CNN only cares about the victims from the airline crash whom they must think are very telegenic cause we only get to know who they are and hear from their families; Gaza families don’t seem to matter squat in the media. It’s okay if the dead in Gaza are piling up exponentially and anonymously while all the focus and every centimeter of compassion is diverted to the crash victims and their families. You see, we have to live inside the twilight zone of Zionist media. (Yes, thanks to the web, some folks are getting the truth out and enlightening others.)

    Palestinians weren’t allowed their humanity in life and they’re robbed of all dignity in death! According to a cold, hard fact from the MSM, there is no more room in the morgue in Gaza, and the floor is all bloody from so many bodies coming in because the attendants can’t keep up and have been forced to put the bodies ON THE FLOOR of the morgue. The hospitals are on the brink of collapse. Let’s not forget this is Gaza, an already deprived concentration camp! But every bit of compassion has been sent to Ukraine; so back to that.

    Palestinians are paying the highest price for this Jewish legacy; Zionism. Americans are only paying US3 billion a year. How’s Zionism working out for ya’all; how does it feel to reap benefits at the expense of the lives of so many?

    In between the crash reporting, the media can go back to interviewing Zionists baking on Israel’s beaches for their opinion on the Gaza invasion, i.e. slaughter, and to Zionists chomping on snacks in Sderot and cheering when another 500 pound bomb gets dumped on Gaza and kills dozens more innocents.

  49. Boomer
    July 22, 2014, 2:37 pm

    I hope you are right. I suspect that if one looked, one could find as many counter-examples (e.g., Richard Cohen’s recent piece in WaPo), but we can hope. Actually, I think what matters is not so much media/intellectual attitudes as those of the public . . . which of course are shaped by the media. I’ve been monitoring NBC and CBS, as indicators of what the general public is likely to see, and it seems that both networks are trying to be objective and to show what is happening in Gaza. If they continue to do that, the public may be alienated.

    That happened with the war in Vietnam, but of course it was American draftees who were fighting and dying on the evening news. Arabs dying may be different, but still they are human in the eyes of most Americans. Last night Scott Pelley on CBS mentioned that the inhabitants of Gaza were there due to being displaced by the creation of Israel. Providing that kind of context, that reminder, is a small thing, perhaps, a mere straw, but I’ll grasp at it. After all, it was his predecessor, Walter Cronkite, as much as anyone, who ended public support for the war in Vietnam by speaking candidly to the American people.

  50. Kathleen
    July 22, 2014, 3:09 pm

    Today (Tuesday) The Morning Joe program continued to brown nose on the I/P conflict. They had General Hayden on who kept repeating that Israel has a right to “defend themselves.” Not an inkling of compassion for the Palestinians out of Hayden. They did have Senator Murphy on who stated that 75% of the Palestinians killed by Israel were civilians. Mika and Andrea Mitchell keep bringing up Senator Diane (who voted for the 2002 Iraq war resolution) Feinstein’s comment about Putin “manning up” and accepting responsibility for his role in providing weapons to separatist. Still waiting for Feinstein to “woman up” and admit her horrific role in promoting the invasion of Iraq. She has the blood of the Iraqi people as well as American soldiers all over her. “Woman up” Feinstein. How absurd is it to hear warmongers lecturing Putin about his role in the killing of innocents.

    Mika on Morning Joe keeps talking about “Russian propaganda” being fed to the Russian people through the state run media. Can “propagandist” totally get away with this. Can they say Iraq?

    Also so much about how Russia is supplying “terrorist” with weapons. The U.S. has a past and present of supplying so called “terrorist” with weapons that feel pages. MEK on our terrorist list, then off. So absolutely insane. Monkey see monkey do.

    Yesterday (Monday) Rula Jebreal called the decades of the MSM’s complicity with support for Israel no matter what they have done out. She even called Andrea Mitchell’s complicity out on the table. Mentioning how Andrea never has the Palestinian perspective on her news program. Thought Rula would lose her job for this one. But today Andrea Mitchell had Yousef Munayer on her program. It’s happening.

    The clip of Netanyahu’s interview with Brian Williams being shown all over. Netanyahu “what would you do.” Not one person asking “what would you do” if you had your land stolen, home and crops destroyed, humiliated at check points, had your children humiliated and beat by IDF and Israeli cops weekly. What would you do? No one asking

    • lysias
      July 22, 2014, 3:41 pm

      The robotic way in which officials and pundits keep repeating that mantra that Israel has the right to defend itself reminds me of the people taken over by space aliens in old science fiction movies.

  51. fingrinn
    July 23, 2014, 4:37 am

    Finally i smell the sea of change in the air. Here in New Zealand public opinion is shifting, more letters to the editor condemning Israel, Major websites posting article about Jewish hasbara techniques and more balanced reporting more than ever. New zealanders will not sit in silence. Just ask any South African how loudly we protested against Apartheid, boycotted and banned government officials. We are staunch fighters for social justice.

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