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John Kerry with Benjamin Netanyahu, July 23, Tel Aviv, during secretary's trip to Israel, seeking to broker ceasefire

John Kerry with Benjamin Netanyahu, July 23, Tel Aviv, during secretary’s trip to Israel, seeking to broker ceasefire

Was it Kerry’s poof moment? The apartheid moment? Or the “helluva pinpoint operation” moment?

Or maybe the naked expression of a sense of moral urgency about the Israeli atrocities:

We’ve got to get over there … we ought to go tonight. I think it’s crazy to be sitting around.

Epiphany or not, John Kerry has begun distancing himself from Israeli leadership and discovering that he has some autonomy to do so. That’s the news in the coverage of his ceasefire discussions.

Would that he could breathe a little spine into his boss.

From the New York Times, Israeli officials are irked by Kerry’s overtures to Arab leaders and concern about the Gaza blockade:

Mr. Kerry, in Paris, reiterated his position that any temporary arrangement needed to be followed by an enduring solution that addressed both Israel’s security demands and Gaza’s economic crisis.
“The tunnels have to be dealt with — we understand that, we are working at that,” he said. “By the same token, the Palestinians can’t have a cease-fire in which they think the status quo is going to stay. Palestinians need to live with dignity, with some freedom, with goods that can come in and out, and they need a life that is free from the current restraints.”
Though Mr. Kerry said Friday that his plan was “within the same framework” as an Egyptian initiative that Israel embraced on July 15 but Hamas rejected, some Israeli officials were irked that Mr. Kerry’s Paris invitation list included the foreign ministers of Turkey and Qatar. Those two nations have lately been the prime political and financial support for Hamas and Gaza, and Israel has tried to quash a separate Qatari cease-fire proposal.

Barak Ravid in Haaretz says that Israelis were “shocked” by Kerry’s proposal for a ceasefire the other night, couldn’t believe what was written down: 

Last Friday evening, when the draft reached the Prime Minister’s Bureau at the Defense Ministry’s headquarters in Tel Aviv, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and the rest of the security ministers could not believe what had been written down on paper.

The cabinet ministers, most of them familiar with the other and better American drafts shown to Israel over the course of Wednesday and Thursday, were in shock. The ministers voted unanimously to reject the document. Nevertheless, Israel decided not to issue an official announcement on the matter, so as to avoid embarrassing the U.S. secretary of state and burning the bridges at work. Instead, it was decided that Netanyahu would call Kerry personally and demand significant improvements to the draft on the matter essential to Israel.

Senior Israeli officials expressed great anger regarding Kerry’s proposal over the weekend. Cabinet ministers described it as a “prize for terror,” claiming that the U.S. secretary of state had completely adopted the positions presented by the Turkish and Qatari foreign ministers negotiating on behalf of Hamas.

On Saturday, apparently following his telephone conversation with Netanyahu, Kerry tried to patch up the damages caused by the proposal he submitted to Israel the day before.

David Horovitz in the Times of Israel, on “John Kerry: The betrayal”. Note who comes out looking good here, Hillary Clinton: 

It seemed inconceivable that the secretary’s initiative would specify the need to address Hamas’s demands for a lifting of the siege of Gaza, as though Hamas were a legitimate injured party acting in the interests of the people of Gaza …

When Kerry’s predecessor, Hillary Clinton, got involved in the effort to broker terms for ending Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, it was self-evident, first, that a ceasefire was at hand, and, second, that the diplomatic work was being coordinated effectively with Jerusalem to ensure that Israel’s vital interests were being served. It is a testament to Kerry’s incompetence (or worse), and to the collapse of faith between him and Israel, that, when he headed ignominiously home on Saturday, neither of those assumptions held sway.

Whether through ineptitude, malice, or both, Kerry’s intervention was not a case of America’s top diplomat coming to our region to help ensure, through astute negotiation, the protection of a key ally. This was a betrayal.

P.S. It’s a good thing not to have political aspirations. Note how Jimmy Carter’s grandson, who is running for Georgia governor, has to distance himself from the former president’s excellent statements on Israel. For the Jewish vote, the NYT says; leaving out the financial angle.

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  1. NormanF
    July 27, 2014, 12:28 pm

    Kerry is quite simply incompetent and over his head.

    He has deceived every one and has worn away the good will and trust people had in him.

    He is the worst Secretary Of State America has ever had and has managed with alacrity, to unite both allies and enemies against him. That is not a compliment.

    When even Israel’s Left considers the man a fool, you know that Kerry is the opposite of a guy who gets anything good done he puts his country’s name to.

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 1:25 pm

      Who is “every one”?

    • can of worms
      July 27, 2014, 2:37 pm

      @NormanF–

      hehe, Hasbarah BINGO! (“You suck, Kerry”).

      So quick to pull out your hasbarah Bingo cards that you didn’t even notice he’s on your side, silly goose.

      Kerry says: make that concentration camp nicer. Accede some nominal victory to Hamas, ease the conscience of the protesting constituents, and…meanwhile… infiltrate divide neoliberalize and control long term. Think, Norman!

    • rationalist
      July 27, 2014, 4:28 pm

      So, an American Secretary of State is terrible unless they adopt stances that the Israeli leadership likes? US and Israeli interests are not identical, and frequently antithetical. Having the courage to speak truth to an intransigent ally, and not compromise the interests of your own country are the marks of good leadership.

    • Shingo
      July 27, 2014, 6:24 pm

      I agree for once with you NormanF.

      We need someone with experience and backbone, like James Backer, who’s prepared to say “fu#k you” to Israel and a US president like Bush Snr, who’s prepared to cut off aid and loan guarantees to Israel and call out all the AIPAC lobbyists on Capitol Hill in front if the US public.

      When Bush Snr did that, 80% of the American public supported his position.

      We also need a State Secretary to submit a Chapter 7 Resplution at the UNSC calling for Israel’s immediate withdrawal from the OT, as well as an international coalition to force Israel to comply, like they did in Kuwait.

      • can of worms
        July 27, 2014, 10:29 pm

        @Shingo, that’s assuming the president has any real power in the oligarchy. Bush pushes a little against illegal settlements, and doesn’t win a second term–there’s not only aipac but christian zionists to reckon with. And then in return his son caters to the lobby with a vengeance. Besides, holding back billions in loan guarantees that would be used to build settlements, did nothing to stop the increasing the settlements.

      • DaBakr
        July 28, 2014, 1:03 am

        your pretty dis-informed if you think James Baker would be supportive of Hamas over Netanyahu. He was above all things-and arabist with deep ties to the Sauds and in light of the contempt the Sauds have for Obama and Kerry-Baker is not the choice your hoping for-but I get your sentiment. Baker was not afraid to smack down Shamir.

      • Shingo
        July 28, 2014, 6:57 pm

        your pretty dis-informed if you think James Baker would be supportive of Hamas over Netanyahu.

        It wouldn’t even need that. Just having the money and diplomatic protection cut off is all it would need. US companies like Intel and Microsoft would pull out of Israel in a heartbeat. A couple fo Ch7 UNSC resolutions with the US abstaining, the end of military aid, loan guarantees, and ISrael would be on it’s knees.

        He was above all things-and arabist with deep ties to the Sauds and in light of the contempt the Sauds have for Obama and Kerry-Baker is not the choice your hoping for-but I get your sentiment. Baker was not afraid to smack down Shamir.

        No, he was above all things-and oil man.

    • DaBakr
      July 27, 2014, 10:28 pm

      everyone who ever had an ounce of hope that Kerry was interested in anything but his own deflated legacy who has tried numerous times (in between is multi-millionaires jet-setting lifestyle supported by the former Mrs. Heinz) to resurrect his chances at further glory only to be thwarted by forces sometimes unfair(swiftboat) but mostly just accurate about a man who is more interested in glory then truly helping anybody. He’s all fluff and no gravitas. I doubt Hamas respect him much. Egypt certainly can;t stand him, The Sauds will barely talk to him and who are his ‘buds’? The Qataris. The owners of Qatar.

      • Shingo
        July 28, 2014, 6:47 pm

        He’s all fluff and no gravitas. I doubt Hamas respect him much. Egypt certainly can;t stand him, The Sauds will barely talk to him and who are his ‘buds’? The Qataris. The owners of Qatar.

        If all fairness, the same could be said for the US ni general. Kerry’s problem is that he’s not allowed to use America’s leverage against Israel.

        If Obama said to Kerry today, use whatever it takes to stop the Israelis, end the siege, end the occupation (be it sanctions, boycott, Ch 7 UN Resolutions, severe sanctions against US and Israeli companies, legal threats etc), Kerry could have all that done and dusted within 24 hours.

      • just
        July 28, 2014, 6:58 pm

        And if that happened, I would work tirelessly to make sure that John Kerry was the next POTUS.

    • Tom Callaghan
      July 27, 2014, 10:54 pm

      Do you mean to say Kerry is worse than Henry “Peace is at Hand” Kissinger?

      Please.

  2. ckg
    July 27, 2014, 12:34 pm

    Oh dear…I hope Jason Carter isn’t another Jesse Jackson Jr or Rand Paul.

    • Krauss
      July 27, 2014, 5:05 pm

      By the way, notice that “liberal Haaretz” attacked Kerry and called his proposal bad.

      Also, Phil, Annie et al, have you read this?
      http://www.haaretz.com/life/music-theater/.premium-1.607484#

      It’s really the stuff that Phil likes to write about, elite identity and the ever-revolving way that Israel is perceived in the media industry.

      Note that the woman who wrote it suspected that a lot these artists got coaching behind the scenes.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 27, 2014, 6:21 pm

        thanks krauss, i’ll check it out

      • seafoid
        July 27, 2014, 8:03 pm

        “And how does the ardently pro-Israel Hiltzik feel when he sees posts that have hashtags like #FreePalestine? “It’s usually within character,” he says. “Any normal person has to feel for this tragedy. I view Rihanna’s post as innocent. Everyone’s allowed to have his or her opinion. And hopefully they’ll educate themselves. What bothers me are the anti-Semites like Roger Waters.” ”

        And the journo ends the piece with that Joan Rivers rant.
        Scraping the barrel.

        and

        “I give artists like Rihanna the benefit of the doubt,” he says. “It’s normal for a well-intentioned person to see all the blood and death and want to say something about it. Sometimes they get out ahead of themselves before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves and think things through.”

        was chilling

      • adele
        July 28, 2014, 12:41 am

        If people choose to sympathize with the Palestinian cause they are freely choosing to act according to their conscience so who the hell is he to presume otherwise. Complete & utter sanctimonious & condescending rubbish.

  3. yonah fredman
    July 27, 2014, 12:37 pm

    At this point in time it is not realistic to expect any lifting of the siege without a mechanism (an occupying army, to be blunt) to monitor the demilitarization of Gaza. Such a “peace force” is not in the cards right now given the current atmosphere, I fear. So the siege will not end.

    • oldgeezer
      July 27, 2014, 1:45 pm

      I have to agree with you. That said, on principles it is Israel that should be forced to demilitarize given their murderous rampages and war crimes in both the west bank and Gaza. Given the wanton slaughters and total inability to trust Israel to adhere to any agreements they more than deserve the right to protect themselves. Not going to happen but it should.

      • DaBakr
        July 27, 2014, 10:30 pm

        @gz
        Oh- that is certainly a reasonable expectation of whats likely to happen. Israel will up and de-militarize. The world is at peace once again.

      • Mooser
        July 28, 2014, 12:34 pm

        . “Israel will up and de-militarize. The world is at peace once again.”

        IT WOULD SURE AS HELL HELP!! They could start with their illegal, uncontrolled, un-inspected nuclear weapons. Or do they plan to whack anti-Semites in Paris?

      • eljay
        July 28, 2014, 12:43 pm

        >> Oh- that is certainly a reasonable expectation of whats likely to happen. Israel will up and de-militarize.

        I don’t think it’s realistic or reasonable to expect Israel to de-militarize (or to expect an independent Palestinian state to remain un-militarized).

        But some of the just and moral things Israel should be expected to do include:
        – immediately and completely halting its 60+years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – withdrawing to its / Partition borders;
        – honouring its obligations under international law;
        – accepting responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        – entering into sincere negotitations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 27, 2014, 2:06 pm

      ”Such a “peace force” is not in the cards right now given the current atmosphere, I fear.”

      A ‘peace force’ which involves one side being entirely demilitarised, and so left completely vulnerable to the savagery which has been visited on it 3 times in less than 6 years by a military armed with the most advanced weaponry, including nuclear bombs, is not a ‘peace force’. It’s an invitation to further assaults like the one we’re witnessing now. People who advocate this ‘solution’ are really advocating the continued slaughter of Palestinians.

    • michelle
      July 27, 2014, 2:25 pm

      .
      didn’t Hamas elected the U.N. to overlook Gaza
      wasn’t it Israel that rejected this
      .
      sure seems like;
      Israel doesn’t want true peace keepers
      Israel doesn’t want peace
      Israel wants to be the master race
      .
      can i get a heil Israel hope not
      is this how WW2 came about
      hope not
      .
      and to think that all this is brought
      to you and the world by the support
      and funding of the good old U.S.A.
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 4:23 pm

        What you say about master race is true. They are always arrogant, and try to constantly compare themselves to others especially the Arabs, to show how superior they are in everything (granted we can see when it comes to being brutal they get top marks)

        Perhaps long ago a certain race that thought it was the master race,
        made them feel inferior, when it tried to wipe them off the earth.
        Now they take that example to inflict pain on powerless civilians too.
        Same racist attitude and action.

      • michelle
        July 27, 2014, 4:45 pm

        .
        the; i can do anything you can do better
        didn’t begin or end with ww2
        more to the point is the self centered personality
        the man in the box
        who doesn’t see the unreplaceable need of others
        .
        we as a species are most guilty of all
        what will we do without trees seas birds bees ….
        we need to put away unjust measuring devices and value life
        in all it’s fullness and glory with justice and equality
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • crone
        July 27, 2014, 6:22 pm

        no, I’m afraid they thought they were superior from the beginning…

      • Mooser
        July 28, 2014, 12:39 pm

        “no, I’m afraid they thought they were superior from the beginning…”

        Zionism is racism.

    • Giles
      July 27, 2014, 5:39 pm

      That’s funny. Israel is massacring the Gazans and it is Gaza that needs to be demilitarized? Hell, if that’s the logic then the Wiesenthal Center and the Office for Special Prosecutions need to stop hunting low level teen-aged guards impressed into service and instead find Camp survivors and ruin the rest of their lives.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 7:03 pm

        It does not make sense does it? Israel is doing the slaughtering, and the number of those killed will support that, and they have lost only 3 civilians, compared to the at least 800 Israel has killed. Yet the US and others are hell bent on supporting them “demilitarize” Gaza.
        Time the US decided to stop supplying the butchers with deadly weapons, that are used against unarmed civilians.
        This is zionist bull that the US keeps going along with.

      • Taxi
        July 28, 2014, 1:17 am

        Israel is the only predator country in the history of the world that demands protection from its victim.

    • Taxi
      July 28, 2014, 1:12 am

      yonah,

      At this point in time it is not realistic to expect any lifting of the siege without a mechanism (an occupying army, to be blunt) to monitor the demilitarization of Gaza

      The “demilitarization” thing ain’t NEVER gonna happen – not even if WW3 was a consequence.

      The zionists tried to do exactly the same thing with Hizbollah and south lebanon back in 2006 – as indeed they continue to set up demand after demand for disarmament of Hizbollah and failing miserably. Just look at how much better armed the Hizb has become since 2006.

      Disarmament? You’re gonna have to genocide 1.8 million Gazans first, yonah – and that’s not a guarantee of disarmament.

      How about the effers in the isreali military industrial complex and their international war-profiteer friends get arrested for wanton war crimes and genocide first? How about their death factories are dismantled and their Swiss bank accounts emptied then poured into rebuilding Gaza and other suffering parts of occupied Palestine – not forgetting here a percentage that would go to Lebanon and Syria as compensation for the death and destruction that the israelis have committed in those lands too (I believe Sudan is owed for a bombing or two as well).

      Dream the f*ck on. The Palestinians aren’t surrendering a single bullet till you have your illegal nukes surrendered to the international community for dismantling.

      THE PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES!

      They have every moral and legal right to defend themselves against Apartheid and a 66 year old brutal occupation.

      They have the right to defend themselves against the israeli genocide.

      They have the right to defend themselves against israel’s unconscionable and loathsome intanticide!

  4. Donald
    July 27, 2014, 12:38 pm

    I have to admit I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Kerry–yes, he’s been spouting the usual lines in public, but that “gaffe” last weekend showed there’s still a decent human being locked away inside.

    And it was really surprising to see him talking about lifting the blockade. I fully expected him to take the same position as fake liberals like the NYT editorialists, who have been studiously avoiding the fact that Gazans agree with Hamas that the blockade needs to be lifted. I thought he’d try to sweep the blockade under the rug and use it as a weapon the way it’s been used, to tell the Gazans that if they don’t toe the line and somehow get rid of Hamas they will all be kept in prison. No wonder the Israelis are shocked. This isn’t at all what they would have expected. It’s probably not what the NYT editors would have expected. There’s a certain type of alleged 2SS supporter and alleged occupation critic who is actually just fine with the notion of collective punishment being imposed on Palestinians–whereas the slightest whiff of a boycott, no matter how small in effect, makes them think of Nazism.

    The Carter story is predictable and appalling.

    • Donald
      July 27, 2014, 12:55 pm

      “prize for terror”

      Part of me just gets a kick out of how the Israelis use the word “terror” relentlessly. I know it’s not really funny–it’s a deadly form of propaganda since. they themselves are clear practitioners of terrorism–they use terror against civilians, killing hundreds or low thousand range so they and their Western supporters can pretend it’s not intentional (since they could kill far more), but obviously meant to pressure civilians just like the blockade.

      But it’s “rewarding terror” to talk about ending the blockade when their whole system of control over Palestinians especially including the blockade is state terror. I see pictures of scenes in Gaza and start renaming them in the Israeli lexicon–there’s a little terrorist boy with a terrorist bird cage, there’s a terrorist donkey cart, in this photo we see a terrorist soccer ball, in this next photo we see a terrorist horse with its terrorist ribs showing.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 1:03 pm

        I agree. To me it is ironic to hear these zionists being interviewed, and saying with such a straight face, that the Palestinian side are terrorists.
        To me a terrorist is the side that terrorizes people, use deadly weapons on them, threaten them, kill them in large numbers, while keeping them walled in. That qualifies Israel as the bigger terrorists. Looks like we keep supporting terrorists.

      • Bumblebye
        July 27, 2014, 4:43 pm

        A para from Derfner’s analysis of “Why Israel won’t sign any ceasefire that’s fair”

        http://972mag.com/why-israel-wont-sign-any-ceasefire-thats-fair/94372

        “If Israel agrees to end the war on terms that grant major, transformative relief to Gaza, that largely lift the blockade on the Strip and allow Gazans substantial freedom of movement – which is what Ban and even Kerry are talking about – then Hamas wins the war.”

      • elephantine
        July 27, 2014, 8:14 pm

        You’d think they would have thought about this *before* they started a war massacre.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 9:47 pm

        I think it should be more Hamas winning freedom and rights for the Palestinian people – long overdue.

      • Nevada Ned
        July 27, 2014, 10:35 pm

        It is VERY important that Israel not win the war. If Israel succeeds, then they’ll do the same thing to the Occupied West Bank. Not everybody knows that the West Bank is totally surrounded by Israeli-occupied territory So the West Bank could become another Bantustan, like Gaza.

        Don’t know if Hamas wins the war – they have paid a very heavy price. Of course, given the huge military advantage of the Israeli side, even a draw is a win for Hamas.

        Israel loses politically in this war. There is now in place the beginnings of a world wide movement in favor of the Palestinians and against Israeli policy. The worldwide protests are an encouraging sign for most of us. And a sign of hammer blows to Israel’s image around the world.

        BDS will get a big boost from the current slaughter.

        A while ago, somebody (at The New Republic, I think) said that Operation Cast Lead ought to be named “Operation Make Everybody Hate Us”. (Since it was The New Republic, it’s unclear whether “us” meant Israel, American Jews, Jews in general, etc. That might be a good title for Israel’s current orgy of violence.

      • Melodiz
        July 29, 2014, 7:15 am

        Israel doesn’t want to lift the blockade ever. They get 8 billion a month for being ‘under attack’. Also, they are running out of gas and there is enough right on the coast of Gaza to solve Israel’s problem for a long time to come. Netanyahu absolutely doesn’t want peace. He’s not going to give up three million a day, a chance at billions of dollars of gas and lose the land they agreed to give back. Just so the Palestinians can be free. He has no incentive worth as much as what we pay him for victimhood.

    • crone
      July 27, 2014, 1:01 pm

      Gazans? They are not ‘Gazans’ Sir… they are Palestinians. Please don’t take that away from them in addition to all that Israel has taken.

      • Donald
        July 27, 2014, 2:28 pm

        Can’t they be both? I’m a New Yorker (state, not city) and an American.
        A former southerner. I used “Gazan” when referring specifically to Palestinians living in Gaza. Is this a Palestinian view you’re giving? If so, provide a link and I’ll be careful to use the term “Palestinian” if they don’t like to be called “Gazan”.

      • michelle
        July 27, 2014, 2:54 pm

        .
        Palestinian that is the whole point
        that is why Israel will never under
        any conditions accept a two state solution
        .
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/facts-all-us-citizens-need-to-know-about...

        http://www.juancole.com/images-ext/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.jpg
        .
        in the ‘mind’ of Israel there is no Palestine
        (and if allowed to continue as they have been
        Palestine will soon disappear
        and insosaying there can be no Palestine people
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • adele
        July 27, 2014, 3:21 pm

        Donald,
        Israel’s strategy was to divide the Palestinians and by saying Gazan it helps accomplish that. They are Palestinians first and foremost and given that around 70% of the Palestinians who live in Gaza are refugees it reinforces the impetus on us to use Palestinian when identifying them.

      • Elisabeth
        July 27, 2014, 4:14 pm

        Thanks Donald for your insightful comments as usual.
        (BTW: Obviously, using the word ‘Gazans’ is perfectly OK. Esp. under the present circumstances.)

      • Donald
        July 27, 2014, 11:15 pm

        Thanks Elisabeth.

      • Abierno
        July 27, 2014, 2:34 pm

        Thank you Crone. They are all Palestinians united in one government. Therein lies one of the problems in this situation. If the siege of Gaza is lifted with international (UN) supervision of entrance and egress of people and goods, with all of the territory of Gaza available to its residents and with economic freedom entailed by trade agreements throughout the world, what can be expected to happen in the West Bank? Not surprisingly, being united with Gaza, they will expect the same opportunities. De facto, Hamas’ demands apply not only to Gaza but also the West Bank. Netanyahu and his cabinet are fully aware of this. The end results is that the years of peace talks through which Netanyahu lied, obsfucated and obstructed, are all for naught if Palestine “wins” though this war, which ironically was started by Netanyahu himself.

        The tragedy of the situation is Gazans, like the people of Carthage,
        have resolved to die rather than continue under the jackboot of the current Israeli government. Furthermore, as has been well documented, the majority of the Israeli public, politicians and religious establishment, not only don’t care about the 800+ civilians killed (150+ children) but strongly urge the extermination of the Palestinians (Feiglin, Sahyet, Edelstein, Rabbi Lior, et. al.) It is also well documented that military rabbis are casting this as a “holy war” with religious obligation to kill all the “other” be they civilian, women, child or elder. The images of the impact of these “orders” on impressionable adolescents and young adults armed with F-16’s, Hellfire/Jerihco milssiles, Merkava tanks, mortars, high powered sniper rifles are devastating: Parents picking up the body parts of their children in shopping bags, bedridden patients seared with missile burns, whole families destroyed as they sat down to dinner, shelling of overflowing hospitals with no notice, well marked UN refuge centers strafed. The magnitude of the carnage, in this war which was started as a result of an WMD-equivalent deceit by Netanyahu, marks the moral nadir of Israel.

      • Kathryn
        July 27, 2014, 5:55 pm

        RE: “The tragedy of the situation is Gazans, like the people of Carthage,
        have resolved to die rather than continue under the jackboot of the current Israeli government.”

        Netanyahu, who surreally accused Hamas of “piling up” the civilian dead, as though Palestinians somehow choose to be killed by brutally disproportionate Israeli force, knows about resistance. He must know that newly conscripted Israeli soldiers are often bused to Masada, the desert mountain fortress where ancient Jews committed mass suicide to avoid subjugation by the Romans, to pledge that the fortress must never fall again.

      • Mooser
        July 28, 2014, 12:46 pm

        “ancient Jews committed mass suicide to avoid subjugation by the Romans, to pledge that the fortress must never fall again.”

        That is not what happened. See the caterer was a total idiot, he kept on sending chickens to the Romans, and Ham-and-Swiss sandwiches to the Israelite troops.

      • Abierno
        July 27, 2014, 2:47 pm

        Thank you Crone. They are all Palestinians and therewith lies one of the problems. If the siege of Gaza is lifted with international (UN) supervision of entrance and egress of people and goods, with all of the territory of Gaza available to its residents and with the economic freedom entailed by trade agreements throughout the world, what can be expected to happen in the West Bank? Not surprisingly, being unified with Gaza they will expect the same opportunities. De facto, Hamas’ demands apply not only to Gaza but also to the West Bank. Netanyahu and his cabinet are fully aware of this. The end result is that the years of peace talks through which Netanyahu lied, obsfucated and obstructed, are all for naught if Palestine “wins” through this war, which ironically was started by Netanyahu himself.

        The tragedy of this situation is Gazans, like the people of Carthage, have resolved to die rather than continued under the jackboot of the current Israeli government. Furthermore, as has been well documented, the majority of the Israeli public, politicians and religious establishment, not only don’t care about the 800+ civilians killed (150+) children, but openly agitate for the extermination of all Palestinians (Feiglin, Shayet, Rabbi Lior, et. al.) It is also well documented that military rabbis are casting this as a “holy war” with religious obligation to kill the other, be they civilian, women, child or elder. The images of the impact of these “orders” on impressionable adolescent and young adult soldiers armed with F-16’s, Hellfire/Jericho missiles, Merkava tanks, mortars and high powered sniper rifles are devastating: Parents picking up the body parts of their children in shopping bags, bedridden patients seared with missile burns, whole families incinerated as they sat down to dinner, shelling hospitals, well marked UN refuge centers strafed. The magnitude of the carnage, in this war with was started with WMD-equivalent levels of deceit by Netanyahu, marks the moral nadir of Israel.

      • Citizen
        July 27, 2014, 4:02 pm

        IDF reports they reached their targets, and counts them, which are all labeled “terrorists,” even those in any Palestinanian mother’ s womb, literally. Americans pay for all this horror don’t seem to care.

      • MHughes976
        July 28, 2014, 1:07 pm

        No large number of human remains has been found at Masada.

      • Mooser
        July 28, 2014, 2:57 pm

        “No large number of human remains has been found at Masada.”

        No, but a huge number of petrified ham-and-swiss sandwiches were recovered. And, there is no specific prohibition against anthropophagy in the Old Testament!
        If I could get a grant of, say, $500,000 to investigate this, I would fly right to Masada, and keep on going. I got hlaf-a-mil to spend and I should hang around petrified ham-and-swiss sandwiches in a dusty old fortress? No way.

      • Taxi
        July 28, 2014, 4:04 pm

        They found swine bones at Masada digs:
        http://archive.archaeology.org/9711/newsbriefs/masada.html

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2014, 2:52 am

        “They found swine bones at Masada digs:”

        Well, you know how the song goes, the swine bone is connected to the cow bone, the cow bone is connected to the dog bone, the dog bone is connected to the cat bone, now hear the words of the Lord!

    • Citizen
      July 27, 2014, 10:46 pm

      The US government just reeks of corruption. The Carter son, the Rand son. All bow to AIPAC $ and those 5 corporations composing 90% of US news and entertainment.

    • Taxi
      July 28, 2014, 1:20 am

      Donald,

      What do you make of Kerry saying “… some freedom…” here:

      Palestinians need to live with dignity, with some freedom, with goods that can come in and out, and they need a life that is free from the current restraints.”

      ‘Some freedom’?

  5. American
    July 27, 2014, 12:39 pm

    Naw, Kerry is still a political wimp.
    They all are.
    One who wasnt a wimp would be saying the US must bring ALL its force …no options off the table— to bear down on stopping this—-permanently.
    And do it.
    Gutless, spineless, immoral, craven, cowards…..and thats understating it.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 27, 2014, 12:39 pm

    I wouldn’t be so confident that Kerry’s proposal involved a lifting of the siege. To quote:

    ”Palestinians need to live with dignity, with some freedom, with goods that can come in and out, and they need a life that is free from the current restraints.”

    Note the qualified remark: ‘some freedom’, and also ”goods that can come in and out” – goods, but not people. This doesn’t sound to me like a complete lifting of the siege, but rather a ‘relaxation’ of conditions, which of course can at any point be ‘un-relaxed’, at Israel or Egypt’s whim. Any hint of a rocket being fired – and all that would be needed would be an IDF claim, not an actual rocket – and the full restrictions go back again.

    What’s really needed is an agreement which allows for UN or EU personnel – though I don’t trust the EU at all – to monitor the crossings to ensure that there is complete freedom of movement for goods AND people in and out of the strip. But I just don’t see how either of Gaza’s prison guards will allow this. Israel will really, really need to get itself into a dire situation before that will happen. Which might yet be the case: I highly doubt the IDF is in any way enthusiastic about having to go further into Gaza. I don’t think they ever wanted a ground invasion at all. I reckon they thought Hamas would be forced to accept the ”Egyptian ceasefire” and that the IDF would have re-established their ‘deterrence’, got to test out their ‘Iron Dome’ and god knows what else, all for little or no cost to them. That hasn’t quite panned out, has it?

    • amigo
      July 27, 2014, 1:38 pm

      MDM, Haaretz is running a piece on Kerry,s proposal , but it,s behind a paywall.Maybe you have access.The heading claims they have a copy of it.

      “http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607379”

      Might be worth a look but warning , Barak ravid is the author.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 27, 2014, 2:47 pm

        Yes, the article is behind a pay-wall but if accurate, looks rather interesting.

        I just don’t see how anything short of catastrophic defeat would force Israel to allow a complete opening of Gaza. But anything short of that is almost useful. Any ‘easing’ of the siege is a farce, if there are no international monitors present which can enforce freedom of movement. And there’s no way Israel will allow that. Even if the war isn’t going nearly as swimmingly as they had hoped, I just don’t see how Hamas can inflict a severe enough defeat on Israel that they would be forced to allow this.

      • Sumud
        July 27, 2014, 3:17 pm

        You can see a copy in this Haaretz tweet:

        https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/493326647450300416

        Try the link in the tweet for the article too, I’m not registered w/ Haaretz but the linked article isn’t behind a paywall, at least not for me.

      • amigo
        July 27, 2014, 4:45 pm

        Thanks Sumud.

    • oldgeezer
      July 27, 2014, 2:02 pm

      Well according to Netayahu’s speech a future Palestinian state would have no control over who may enter or leave their territory. They would be required to sell their exports to Israeli businesses and similarly buy their goods from Israeli businesses.

      There’s no way any ceasefire agreement is even going to get close to that as Israel has said the people in Gaza need to be punished for their actions.

      It’s astounding that they not only get away with war crimes but can talk so openly about plans to hold the population in captivity.

      It’s disgusting that our own leaders have turned their back on every western and human principle.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 4:26 pm

        They are openly saying they want to have power over these people, hold them under siege, blockaded, and treated like prisoners in a concentration camp like they did (they are taking revenge on innocent people, who had nothing to do with the holocaust).
        This is ethnic cleansing, greed for land grabs, and taking over the Palestinian territories, and yes, it is unfortunate and disgusting our country is complicit in this crime.

        I still wait to see ONE member of our spineless media, ask netanyahu or our shameless leaders, Pelosi, Graham, Menendez, Boxer, Jane Harmon, or the zionist supporters who pretend to be consultants, when and if the occupation will end, and if what Hamas is doing is resisting that occupation.
        Anyone with a spine?

  7. Felice Gelman
    July 27, 2014, 12:41 pm

    The Israelis’ stunned reaction to Kerry’s proposal to negotiate an end to the siege shows they remain clueless about Israel’s standing in the world. Or at least they believe that the support of the US is a sufficient shield. Next step is to clue them in about how their value as a US ally has dwindled as a result of settlements, ongoing occupation, their “Just say no” policy towards peace proposals, and now — the outrage about their massacre of civilians in Gaza. Our best tools? Continued massive street protests, boycott, divestment and sanctions organizing, and holding our own politicians accountable for mouthing mindless support of state terrorism.

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 1:28 pm

      You are so right, Felice.

    • NormanF
      July 27, 2014, 2:27 pm

      What it tells us is more about Kerry than it does about Israel.

      I have never seen Israel unanimously reject an American proposal before – and considering the old joke you lock ten Jews in a room, you’ll get twenty opinions, this is nothing short of revolutionary.

      Kerry does not understand diplomacy, have a deep knowledge of the region and the issues and can’t craft an agreement that protects the interests of a close ally.

      As I said, the man is a fool and should resign before he does American foreign policy more damage.

      • just
        July 27, 2014, 2:43 pm

        The single biggest foreign policy mistake by the US has been our unflagging support for the terrorizing/genocidal/massacring/thieving/Occupying state of Israel.

        Iraq– terrible
        Afghanistan– terrible
        Vietnam– terrible
        Many other things– terrible
        Israel– stupid, stupid, stupid and terrible!

        It’s been clear for a very long time that Israel does NOT seek peace with the indigenous Palestinians.

      • Castellio
        July 27, 2014, 4:26 pm

        As far back as the early 1900’s it was clear that the Zionist movement did not seek peace with the Palestinians, but dominance.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 4:31 pm

        Today Hillary Clinton said the only (ONLY!) problem she has with Israel was the illegal settlements. Okay, then if nothing we have told them in an adult way makes them stop, how about treating them like a out of control kid and threaten to stop the aid and support. THAT would be a good place to start.

      • just
        July 27, 2014, 4:34 pm

        If that’s her ‘only problem’ with Israel, then I have a serious problem with Hillary. Not my cup of tea.

        (Ana Cabrera seems to be a bonafide pro- Israel hack. She’s slipped up a couple of times saying “we” when referring to Israel)

      • William Burns
        July 27, 2014, 3:03 pm

        Dude, your favorite country has Avigdor Lieberman as a prime minister. Kerry is Bismarck and Metternich combined by comparison.

      • William Burns
        July 27, 2014, 3:15 pm

        Oops. meant foreign minister.

      • Sumud
        July 27, 2014, 3:22 pm

        You just don’t get it ‘NormanF’. Israel is a liability, a demented ball and chain.

        Without the traitorous lobby to distort US foreign policy, Israel would have been jettisoned long ago.

      • Citizen
        July 27, 2014, 10:56 pm

        @Sumund
        You are correct, sir. NormanF doesn’t get it at all. Follow the AIPAC matrix money. The American campaign finance system is America’s Achilles heel. The other heel is The Federal Reserve system.

      • Donald
        July 27, 2014, 5:12 pm

        “I have never seen Israel unanimously reject an American proposal before – and considering the old joke you lock ten Jews in a room,you’ll get twenty opinions, ”

        You’re equating Israel with Jews. Since there are Jews who do think the blockade should be lifted, your point is lost. In fact, it’s a little antisemitic, isn’t it? Furthermore, the fact that a country in the midst of war psychology (not to mention a generally racist attitude towards Palestinians) can’t stomach any suggestion that it might be in the wrong is hardly evidence of Kerry’s incompetence.

        I think what you’ve just given us is the Lobby’s talking point on this. Any suggestion that Palestinians be relieved from the blockade is going to be seen as “rewarding terror” and Kerry is some horrible incompetent for suggesting it, because bigoted Israelis (not Jews) are united in thinking he is wrong.

      • chocopie
        July 27, 2014, 5:33 pm

        No US govt officials have a deep knowledge of the region and the issues, gimme a break. All they know is what Israel wants and that’s what they usually do. If Israel has unanimously rejected a US proposal then we are now heading in the right direction, finally. Hope it lasts.

      • seafoid
        July 27, 2014, 5:58 pm

        Jews and Arabs are fighting over your YESHA cancer, Norman, your so-called right to Palestine , in Europe because you won’t admit you are wrong.

        I’m afraid you are no longer able to control the narrative and that you will have to stand by while adults like Kerry take over.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 27, 2014, 6:07 pm

        “What it tells us is more about Kerry than it does about Israel.”

        Yes, it tells us Kerry has still some normal human capacity for empathising with people suffering abominably at the hands of a ruthless aggressor oblivious to all norms of civil society. All he has done, apparently to Israeli horror, is point out the screaming obvious – that a solution has to involve lifting the siege and blockade, and this will have to be negotiated. Whatever Hamas does or thinks. Israel’s response is, as you say, very telling – there is to be no respite for the people Israel is destroying, and that is taken as an unquestioned assumption. The siege is forever, or until the ethnic cleansing is complete. And then Gaza will be flooded with investment, clean water and electricity – all the things that should be happening now, and are deliberately withheld by the fascist blockade.

      • Citizen
        July 27, 2014, 11:14 pm

        @ justicewillprevail
        I agree; meanwhile Huckabee is on my TV now, telling his docile audience that Hamas is the one committing war crimes and Israel does more than any military force in the world to protect collateral damage to civilians in a war zone.

  8. just
    July 27, 2014, 12:48 pm

    “By the same token, the Palestinians can’t have a cease-fire in which they think the status quo is going to stay. Palestinians need to live with dignity, with some freedom, with goods that can come in and out, and they need a life that is free from the current restraints.”

    The only correction to the above is drop the word “some”. The Palestinians need complete freedom from US sponsored Israeli Occupation and terrorism.

    Mr. Kerry– do it, do it now. There is no “leader” on the US horizon that is worthy of any support. Mr. Kerry and Mr. Obama have the power to end the genocide of Palestinians right now.

  9. a blah chick
    July 27, 2014, 12:52 pm

    If you think things are hideous now wait until Mr Satan starts fighting for his political career.

    Ending the siege is the right thing to do, the moral thing to do, but this is not about rightness or morality. This is about staying in power, about his “legacy.” If he lifts the siege he will be branded as the man who gave a victory to the “terrorists.” No more state dinners, no more Sunday morning talk shows, if will be over, done, finished. There’s also a very good chance he could end up like Rabin.

    He and his advisors badly miscalculated. No doubt they thought that this would be another round of “law mowing” with the IDF lads posing in front of some tunnels or over the corpses of Hamas soldiers. The Gazans would fall on their knees and beg the bombs to stop and all would be back in sync. Now the only way to “win” is the complete destruction of Gaza and it looks like the country has the stomach for that. Does the rest of the world?

  10. Kay24
    July 27, 2014, 12:59 pm

    I noticed John Kerry make some positive statements on the Palestinian position.
    It was unusual for him to speak of the blockade and that they have some rights too.
    Israelis are so used to American leaders kissing the zionist ring, this must be a “shock” to their privileged minds, and sense of entitlement. Israel has the monopoly when it comes to portraying themselves as victims. They, with their deadly weapons, inflicting pain, suffering, and death, MUST be referred to as the victim. The 800 Palestinian civilians who were killed and no threat to the occupier, must not be referred to, neither the fact that Hamas is fighting the brutal occupation, whether we agree with their methods or not. It is not as if Israel’s methods are anything to admire, anyway. It stinks.
    How long before John Kerry is muzzled by the zionists who control?

    • John O
      July 27, 2014, 1:05 pm

      “The 800 Palestinian civilians who were killed and no threat to the occupier, must not be referred to…”
      A poem on this topic by Michael Rosen:

      http://andotherpoems.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/a-poem-by-michael-rosen/

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 1:58 pm

        Thank you for that. I love poetry, and this one is so a real emotional one. Michael Rosen, has clearly been able to convey the sadness and plight of those children who were cruelly taken away not by sickness or misfortune, but by the deadly weapons of a racist occupier.

      • seafoid
        July 27, 2014, 6:00 pm

        Didn’t he write “we’re going on a bear hunt” ?

      • just
        July 27, 2014, 6:08 pm

        thanks, John O.

        Powerful.

  11. Justpassingby
    July 27, 2014, 1:03 pm

    This is naive, US have changed its way at all. Those articles is getting a bit annyoing to be frank.

  12. ckg
    July 27, 2014, 1:13 pm

    Would that he could breathe a little spine into his boss.

    Phil, I think Kerry should first try to see if he still has his own spine intact. His reservations to stated policy are either ad-hoc utterances or not meant for public consumption. His spokespersons at the State Department make statements that sound like they could have been penned by the IDF. Oh, and last year on the topic of Syria, Matt Lee famously asked Jen Psaki if Kerry and Obama had a ‘group spine-removal procedure’.

  13. William Burns
    July 27, 2014, 1:18 pm

    Perhaps the fact that less than two years later Israel is once again pounding Gaza to pieces is an indication that the Hillary Clinton ceasefire of November 2012 was not an unalloyed triumph of diplomacy?

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 1:23 pm

      Excellent point.

    • adele
      July 27, 2014, 3:30 pm

      from Barak Ravid’s article:

      The ministers voted unanimously to reject the document [Kerry’s ceasefire proposal]. Nevertheless, Israel decided not to issue an official announcement on the matter, so as to avoid embarrassing the U.S. secretary of state and burning the bridges at work.

      I interpret the above as both Israel and Kerry seeking cover and letting the carnage continue.

    • ritzl
      July 28, 2014, 4:02 am

      OTOH, the fact she got Palestinians to suspend their profound disbelief and sign off on the 2012 pack o’ lies iteration to conform to israel’s demands probably was a “triumph of diplomacy.”

      Maybe it will be the last time Palestinians get “triumphed.” HRC’s 2012 effort sure is making it harder for Kerry to contrive another fake resolution this time and/or for Israel to ram their petulant adamacy home.

  14. Kay24
    July 27, 2014, 1:33 pm

    If the leaders in Israel had some common sense, instead of being utterly hell bent on bombing Gaza, they may realize that this massacre is backfiring on them very badly, plus their people all over the world are paying for the slaughter of the Palestinian people. If they see the hundred of thousands marching all around the world, the fact that they have LOST the PR war, and that the world is outraged at seeing children killed, they would have stopped the brutality by now.

    European Jews face rising tide of anti-Semitism in Gaza operation’s wake

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.607433

    At the end, will it ALL be worth it Israel? You will find out the hard way.

    • amigo
      July 27, 2014, 1:49 pm

      Kay, and their actions have given a large boost to BDS.

      I was at the Dublin protest yesterday and the term BDS was the subject of much conversation.

      The organisers handed out ( circa 3000 )leaflets offering methods of boycotting anything that comes from the occupation nation.
      One idea is to go to a known carrier of contraband goods and fill your basket/shopping cart to the brim and place a few Israeli products on top and then when you get to the checkout , you simply tell the clerk you cannot purchase these products and ask them why they are carrying these products.

      they will soon get tired unloading a full cart of shopping and having to return everything to the right shelves.That ought to have a considerable increase in labour costs.

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 4:35 pm

        That is an excellent idea. Yes indeed this is giving BDS the boost it needs to expand even more. Right now people all over the world are mad at Israel, and it gets worse when the scenes of kids being blown up are shown, again and again. NOW would be a good time start a larger campaign.

      • William Burns
        July 27, 2014, 6:32 pm

        You really think making life more miserable for an underpaid grocery clerk is the way to go on this?

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2014, 2:57 am

        “You really think making life more miserable for an underpaid grocery clerk is the way to go on this?”

        Oh, give me a freaking break, okay? That was just plain dumb. And oh yes, ridiculous. Ah, the Zionist as the friend of the working-man, that’s a laugh.

      • Djinn
        July 29, 2014, 9:56 am

        I’ve worked as a grocer clerk (though check out chick is the terminology here) and someone filling a trolley and then not buying it would not have effected me at all. I’d call one of the aisle stockers and they’d put it back. Just as they would have been doing anyway. If it happened a lot I’d probably be pulled off register to help. Bonus! less dealing with obnoxious customers. I likely would have asked the protestors to keep it up.

  15. RobertB
    July 27, 2014, 1:40 pm

    The wrath of AIPAC & the zionist controlled media are going to be unleashed upon John Kerry…Obama & the rest of the American servants for Apartheid Israel.

    Just expect the American critters from the US “Israel” Congress, Bill & Hillary Clinton, John “ZIO” McCain, Lindsay Graham and others….along with the “so called journalists” at CNN, Faux News…etc…It will be non-stop frothing at the mouth for the purpose of pleasing their “zionist handlers/producers” & echoing the Israeli agendas…a 24 hour zionist propaganda-service. All geared for the American public consumption!

    Obama, Kerry & the rest of the US servants for Israel are just spineless, cowards; they don’t dare to speak out…they don’t dare to take appropriate actions against AIPAC/Apartheid Israel. The FEAR from AIPAC & the zionist controlled media is despicable!

    For Obama & his crew…its all about the “mid-year” elections that is approaching…they really don’t care about the Palestinians in Gaza, the massacres, the amount of destruction, the hundreds of dead Palestinian women, infants & children, the hundreds of innocent civilians…

    All of Gaza’s genocide is made possible by American made weapons given “free” to Apartheid Israel & its IDF war criminals.

    Yep…not a “pip-squeak” of condemnation from Kerry…Obama….etc…

  16. chris_k
    July 27, 2014, 1:59 pm

    Kerry will never have a spine, epiphanies, or empathy for victims. He’s been through this a million times and has talked to Israeli officials for decades, establishing himself as a reliable Washington functionary for them. This is a case of, for the moment, being totally frustrated by Israeli intransigence and how Israel is blind to not only the way the world views them but what they’re dragging the US into. That said, Hillary is worse, for sure. Remember Hagel? Gaineth a cabinet job and loseth a spine.

    • Justpassingby
      July 27, 2014, 3:10 pm

      Wow Hagel I forgot about him, hes just a pale hunching man these day, also known as a coward.

  17. ckg
    July 27, 2014, 2:03 pm

    Kerry is off the Israel bandwagon

    I mistakenly read that as “off the Israel wagon.” The first step in A.A.’s twelve steps is to admit you have a problem. Kerry has never done that.

  18. traintosiberia
    July 27, 2014, 2:19 pm

    NYT leaves out the money angle By focussing on votes
    it tries to pump up the idea that the democratic principles are being observed
    While the fact of the matter is that the money is pushing and forcing Zionist ideas sometimes legally and often illegally
    Does the number of Jewish vote matter other than in S Florida
    ?

  19. surewin
    July 27, 2014, 2:33 pm

    “For the Jewish vote, the NYT says; leaving out the financial angle.” – Phil Weiss

    That makes it sound like the “financial angle” is the true bedrock of the problem. There’s also the propaganda angle, involving news and entertainment media. But deeper than these things is the surveillance, and the political use of the information.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

  20. just
    July 27, 2014, 2:34 pm

    yech– they’ve got a new & different hasbarass on teevee– george birnbaum on cnn.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Birnbaum

  21. dbroncos
    July 27, 2014, 2:35 pm

    “For the Jewish vote, the NYT says; leaving out the financial angle.”

    According to the Jewish virtual library there are 127,470 Jews in Georgia – just 1.3% of the state’s population.

    It’s all about the money but I won’t learn this from NYT.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html

    • ckg
      July 27, 2014, 3:11 pm

      From the Georgia Tipsheet blog:

      Just two days ago, Jason Carter was in attendance at a pro-Israel rally in Midtown, as was Republican Senate nominee David Perdue and Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, whose support of Carter could be called tepid at best. Attorney General Sam Olens, the highest ranking Jewish elected official in the state, spoke at the event.

      An email to Governor Nathan Deal’s campaign regarding the topic drew a response that pulled no punches and brandished a call for his rival to return contributions raised by his famous grandfather.

      “Senator Jason Carter can’t fundraise off his granddaddy’s name while claiming he holds different views on issues across the board. When it comes to Israel, President Carter has been an outspoken critic of the U.S. ally and the only stable democracy in the Middle East, said Deal spokeswoman Jen Talaber. “With his granddaddy’s latest demands that Israeli troops withdraw from Gaza, Georgians deserve to know if Jason Carter agrees with his fundraiser-in-chief. If he’s going to say he disagrees with his granddaddy on every issue the former president raises, Senator Carter should return the money that Jimmy Carter raised for him, particularly those sordid dollars raised by auctioning off seats in church.”

      In late June, Deal trekked to Israel for a trade mission. Carter simultaneously issued a white paper on the country, in which he voiced opposition to boycotts and efforts “that seek to isolate and delegitimize Israel.”

  22. michelle
    July 27, 2014, 3:30 pm

    .
    Palestine has every right to hate Israel
    though i don’t believe they do
    i think the Palestine people want
    peace and freedom in their lives not hate
    .
    as Israel does i see Hamas and Palestine
    for the most part as one
    i don’t see Hamas as an aggressor
    against Israel
    being as Israel has been gravely abusing
    the Palestine people from day one
    (over fifty years ago)
    yet Hamas did nothing until
    Israel began bombing
    aka blanket distruction
    aka war
    .
    Israel hates Palestine as any abuser hates
    (and fears) the ‘target’ of their hate
    Israel is mentally unstable
    Israel hates every and all including Israel
    .
    while i write ‘Israel’ i actually have in mind
    any and all powers/leaders used to apply injustice
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  23. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 27, 2014, 3:46 pm

    This is a very interesting, albeit perhaps slightly over-optimistic, article entitled ”Israel exposed: A fragile, dysfunctional, and irrelevant entity”:

    ”Second, against this backdrop the tug of war over de-escalation in Gaza has shown that even disputes and negotiations over a ceasefire do not involve Israel, but essentially take place between Arab, regional, and international powers, in that order. Let us stop and think about this political fact that Cairo, Riyadh, Doha, and even Ankara are aware of, as evident from their attitudes and approaches in locally and regionally managing negotiations, where even the U.S. role is limited and restricted by regional dynamics to a large extent.

    Third, what remains of Israel, save for its brute military strength? It is mighty, yes, but after its defeat at the hands of the Resistance in Lebanon in 2006, its strategic scope of work became confined to Palestine, if not a small part thereof, that is; Gaza. ”

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/israel-exposed-fragile-dysfunctional-and-irrelevant-entity

  24. just
    July 27, 2014, 3:51 pm

    “Senior Israeli officials said that the draft presented by Kerry had been removed from the table, and was no longer under discussion. “We succeeded in foiling that document and now we are discussing other options,” said the officials.

    An associate of Kerry responded as such: “There is no paper and no proposal. The draft was based on the Egyptian proposal that Israel whole heartedly supported. So if they are opposed. They are opposed their own plan.” ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607379

    • MHughes976
      July 27, 2014, 5:00 pm

      All extraordinarily garbled. I’m not at all sure that Kerry has ‘changed’. The Israelis just like claiming that they have heroically resisted American pressure.

  25. just
    July 27, 2014, 4:09 pm

    according to Penhaul, Israel says there was a ‘single errant mortar’ that hit the school where people were huddled.
    they dispute that anyone was killed as a result.

    he says that this flies in the face of what the journalists reported and UN reports.

    without saying the words– ISRAEL LIES AGAIN.

    16 dead– 200 wounded.

    • Kay24
      July 27, 2014, 4:38 pm

      I just watched the last few minutes of that segment, and came to that conclusion too.
      Well, let’s see how the UN and other nations will react to this.

      The US will just shrug it’s shoulders and say “meh , just look at Russia”.

      • just
        July 27, 2014, 4:43 pm

        I don’t think so– too many witnesses to the carnage. Besides, the Israelis bombed the hospital where the wounded from the blast were being treated the very next day.

      • just
        July 27, 2014, 5:09 pm

        Penhaul again– turns out he sticks to truth about the death and destruction at the school.

        Israel lies and Palestinians die. Now Regev lies and blames Hamas. He says when Israel makes a mistake, they admit it. He said they immediately took responsibility when the 4 children were killed on the beach and Peres even apologized.

        lololololol

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 5:16 pm

        Aren’t they real stand up comics. They keep insulting the intelligence of the rest of the world with this nonsense, really anyone with half a brain can see through the lies, false outrage, and lame effort to come across as one of the most respectful and decent nation in the world. Bull.
        They admit it, what a joke. The immediate reaction, which I remember well, was to blame KHAMAS.
        These zionists are such a duplicitous lot, and such liars.

    • Castellio
      July 27, 2014, 4:38 pm

      I think we have to take the works of Ilan Pappe seriously, when he calls it an “incremental genocide”.

      I remember being shocked when the medical records of Palestinians were wantonly and willfully destroyed. And then a militarily enforced strangulation of the economy, along with the killing and torture of community leaders. Then the targeted bombings of extended families. Now the demolition of whole communities, and of those seeking refuge.

      The Nakba has not ended.

      • seafoid
        July 27, 2014, 7:39 pm

        I remember when they shut down Orient House, the PA office in Jerusalem, and confiscated the files. They want to wipe out all traces of Palestinian life in Palestine.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient_House
        “Items confiscated by Israeli authorities included personal belongings, confidential information relating to the Jerusalem issue, documents referring to the 1991 Madrid conference and the Arab Studies Society photography collection. The personal books and documents of Faisal Husseini were summarily impounded.”

    • crone
      July 27, 2014, 6:55 pm

      Bernhard at Moon of Alabama has a piece up on that now… interesting read.

      Chutzpa: Dozens Dead And Wounded – IDF Rejects Claims Of Casualties

      http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/07/chutzpa-dozens-dead-and-wounded-idf-rejects-claims-of-casualties.html#comments

  26. Tom Callaghan
    July 27, 2014, 4:10 pm

    Israel wants to start the Gaza debate by asking if they have a right to defend themselves from the (largely ineffective) rockets fired from Gaza. The trained seals that constitute the mainstream media and the American Congress all respond in the affirmative.

    Isn’t it reasonable to ask a preliminary question. Namely, do the residents of Gaza who are locked in an open air prison, by Israel, where their freedom of movement and ability to conduct commerce is constrained and their fellow citizens are subject to regular extra judicial assassinations which invarably kill multiple totally innocent people have a right to resist by any means possible?

    Of course they do.

    http://www.wednesdayswars.com

    • crone
      July 27, 2014, 7:05 pm

      By Noura Erakat

      “On the fourth day of Israel’s most recent onslaught against Gaza’s Palestinian population, President Barack Obama declared, “No country on Earth would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.” In an echo of Israeli officials, he sought to frame Israel’s aerial missile strikes against the 360-square kilometer Strip as the just use of armed force against a foreign country. Israel’s ability to frame its assault against territory it occupies as a right of self-defense turns international law on its head.

      A state cannot simultaneously exercise control over territory it occupies and militarily attack that territory on the claim that it is “foreign” and poses an exogenous national security threat. In doing precisely that, Israel is asserting rights that may be consistent with colonial domination but simply do not exist under international law.

      Admittedly, the enforceability of international law largely depends on voluntary state consent and compliance. Absent the political will to make state behavior comport with the law, violations are the norm rather than the exception. Nevertheless, examining what international law says with regard to an occupant’s right to use force is worthwhile in light of Israel’s deliberate attempts since 1967 to reinterpret and transform the laws applicable to occupied territory. These efforts have expanded significantly since the eruption of the Palestinian uprising in 2000, and if successful, Israel’s reinterpretation would cast the law as an instrument that protects colonial authority at the expense of the rights of civilian non-combatants. “

  27. Citizen
    July 27, 2014, 4:19 pm

    Bibi is on US TV now, saying Israel is only protecting its people. Fox News asks Bibi, ” Are the Hamas tunnels the goal to end them to protect Israel?” What a bad joke,.

  28. just
    July 27, 2014, 5:18 pm

    Neither Karl nor Sara are letting Regev off the hook…refreshing after wolf.

    Karl really wants to know the size of the mortar and if it was set to ‘airburst’ which is designed to cause maximum damage…

    • Kay24
      July 27, 2014, 5:23 pm

      Yes, I am enjoying Karl giving Regev FACTS disputing his claim that there were reports of some kind of rocket fire prior to the UN shelter being blasted, and corrected him when he said the UN personnel who tweeted that, retweeted again that he was not sure of that. Regev looks like a fool, once again. Heh.
      Great job by Sar Sidner and Karl Penhaul. Hope they have their jobs tomorrow!

  29. traintosiberia
    July 27, 2014, 5:54 pm

    Still those who support Israel ,whether from Costa Rica or Fiji or some RSS from India or some Skin heads from Ukraine or some diehard racist from UK should read to find out the world view of this paranoid nation and get off the bandwagon .

    ” “He understands that one of the most important differences between the past and the present is the ability of Jews to defend themselves,” Mr. Amidror said, using a frequent Netanyahu trope that has disappeared from his discourse these days. “If he feels that Israel might endanger its ability to defend itself because of the international community, he will decide to use the capabilities of Israel even against the international community.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/world/middleeast/losing-support-from-abroad-netanyahu-finds-a-wealth-of-backing-at-home.html?ref=world

    Israeli analyst and expert Von Credel has affirmed in this principle . So has US scholar with roots in Zionism .

    The world is not safe from Zionism

  30. seafoid
    July 27, 2014, 6:09 pm

    Kerry told the bots back in November to get a grip. He can’t deliver them a compliant world and he told them as much .

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.556925#
    “Kerry also warned that if Israel and the Palestinians do not reach a peace agreement that results in two states for two peoples, “The alternative to getting back to the talks is the potential of chaos,” Kerry said. “I mean does Israel want a third Intifada?” he asked.

    “If we do not resolve the issues between Palestinians and Israelis, if we do not find a way to find peace, there will be an increasing isolation of Israel, there will be an increasing campaign of delegitimization of Israel that’s been taking place on an international basis,” he warned.

    Adding an additional warning to the Israeli public, Kerry urged making peace “with a leadership that is committed to non-violence,” otherwise Israel “may wind up with leadership that is committed to violence.”

    “Today’s status quo will not be tomorrow’s, or next year’s,” said Kerry, referring to the Israeli public’s general feeling of peace and security. “If we don’t solve this issue, the Arab world and the Palestinians, neighbors, others, are going to begin again to push in a different way, and the last thing Israel wants to see is a return to violence. How does Israel survive as a Jewish state in a bi-national status? People need to stop and think about this reality” ”

    The bots have set their society to status quo forever. Someone needs to tell Yossi Israeli that that assumption is nuts.

  31. seafoid
    July 27, 2014, 6:12 pm

    Rosemary Hollis has a very good piece in the Guardian on why Israel has to change tack NOW before it’s too late . It’s a must -read

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/26/israel-palestine-middle-east-uprisings-conflict

    “If the durability and legitimacy of the post-First World War regional system is up for grabs, both the Israelis and the Americans will be hard pressed to contain Palestinian resistance to Israel for another decade in the name of a moribund depiction of regional stability. The Palestinians represent but one of several communities in the region for whom a remaking of the 20th-century regional order may not be unwelcome. However, their main defenders in the region are more anti-Israel than they are pro-Palestinian and if Israel and its friends want to stem the trend toward Islamist extremism in the region they would do well to find a resolution of the Palestinian problem through a two-state solution than leave it to fate.”

    Contingency has the potential to blow Zionism out of the water.

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 6:20 pm

      Fantastic article! Sincere thanks, seafoid. I really appreciated this as well from your link:

      “The Brotherhood’s stance on regional issues represents a direct challenge to the Saudi monarchy. And therein lies a contradiction to the depiction of a region embroiled in sectarian conflict. Both the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni Muslims. Their rivalry is about political power, not simply sectarianism.”

    • Inanna
      July 28, 2014, 3:40 am

      I wasn’t inspired to read the rest of the piece by Hollis if this para is indicative. She obviously knows little of the region if she can make stunning generalisations like Palestine’s defenders are more anti-Israel than pro-Palestinian (load of bollocks) and Israel is good friends with the extremists in the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia and its clients, both state and non-state actors. It’s really like nails on a chalkboard when I read something like this where the writer has no understanding of the motivations and enmities of both state and non-state actors in the Middle East and how non-monolithic Muslims are politically.

      • Walid
        July 28, 2014, 4:37 am

        Inanna, Hollis must be a another believer that Israel is the navel of the universe. When she says that the Palestinians’ defenders are more anti-Israel, she is talking a cheap shot at Iran. Regime-wise, I don’t see any other defenders than Syria as all the rest don’t appear overly anxious to see the birth of a Palestinian country. Today, you can see more of the real Palestine in Gaza than anywhere else, and just about all the neighbouring Arab regimes are against it.

      • seafoid
        July 28, 2014, 5:05 am

        When push comes to shove, Walid, who is going to fight for Palestine ?
        Nobody. Israel has military superiority, bas.

        I think ISIS is more of a sign of the post Iraq chaos than anything else.
        And it’s going to get worse.

        http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/02/water-key-conflict-iraq-syria-isis

        And then Saudi is going to collapse down the line. How is Israel supposed to deal with all that turmoil when the Orthodox are running the show ?

      • Walid
        July 28, 2014, 7:17 am

        seafoid, Guardian article talks about the fun and games days ahead with ISIS controlling Syria’s and Iraq’s water supply, but those games have already started with Turkey having already reduced the flow to these 2 countries; from al-Akhbar May 30th:

        “… By: Suhaib Anjarini
        Published Friday, May 30, 2014
        The Turkish government recently cut off the flow of the Euphrates River, threatening primarily Syria but also Iraq with a major water crisis. Al-Akhbar found out that the water level in Lake Assad has dropped by about six meters, leaving millions of Syrians without drinking water.

        Two weeks ago, the Turkish government once again intervened in the Syrian crisis. This time was different from anything it had attempted before and the repercussions of which may bring unprecedented catastrophes onto both Iraq and Syria.

        Violating international norms, the Turkish government recently cut off the water supply of the Euphrates River completely. In fact, Ankara began to gradually reduce pumping Euphrates water about a month and half ago, then cut if off completely two weeks ago, according to information received by Al-Akhbar.

        A source who spoke on the condition of anonymity revealed that water levels in the Lake Assad (a man-made water reservoir on the Euphrates) recently dropped by six meters from its normal levels (which means losing millions of cubic meters of water). The source warned that “a further drop of one additional meter would put the dam out of service.”

        “We should cut off or reduce the water output of the dam, until the original problem regarding the blockage of the water supply is fixed,” the source explained.

        The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) controlling the region the dam is located in did not suspend the water output. Employees of the General Institution of the Euphrates Dam are running the lake under the supervision of al-Qaeda linked ISIS, but they don’t have the authority to take serious decisions, such as reducing the water output. In addition, such a step is a mere attempt to ease the situation, and it will lose its efficacy if the water supply isn’t restored to the dam by Turkey.

        The tragic repercussions of the new Turkish assault began to reveal themselves when water levels dropped in al-Khafsa in Aleppo’s eastern countryside (where a water pumping station from Lake Assad is located to pump water through water channels to Aleppo and its countryside).

        The reservoirs are expected to run out of water completely by tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.Meanwhile, water supplies in auxiliary reservoirs in al-Khafsa are close to being depleted and the reservoirs are expected to run out of water completely by tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest. This threatens to leave seven million Syrians without access to water. Also, Tishrin Dam stopped receiving any water which blocked its electricity generating turbines, decreasing the power supply in Aleppo and its countryside, further intensifying the already severe imbalance in the power supply…”

        http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/new-turkish-aggression-against-syria-ankara-suspends-pumping-euphrates%E2%80%99-water

      • seafoid
        July 28, 2014, 8:04 am

        Walid

        Thanks for that. That Turkish decision is political I presume. But climate change won’t be . It won’t be reversible.

    • Walid
      July 28, 2014, 4:11 am

      It’s already too late, seafoid, not only for Israel but to many other countries including some powerful ones in the West. ISIS is growing by the day. The Guardian article doesn’t take into account the nurturing of the frankenstein Islamist monster by the US that was initially created by the British. The links between ISIS, the US and the Gulf powers were not covered.

      An essay here 3 years ago by Nu’man Abd al-Wahid details the use of Islam as a tool of subversion first by the British and then by the Americans that are still using it today.

      In a nutshell, Nu’man Abd al-Wahid says that the use of Islam as a tool of subversion began with the British helping Abd al-Aziz Ibn Saud and his fanatical Islamic Wahhabi allies capture Riyadh in 1902 and later to fight the Ottomans in 1915. They also did it in Egypt in the 1940s by funding Hasan al-Banna’s Muslim Brotherhood to keep Muslims busy fighting among themselves and that the British likewise promoted Mohamed Ali Jinnah’s Muslim League in India to keep Gandhi’s India in a state of imbalance.

      After the British dropped the use of the Islam card at the start of the 50s, the US picked it up to use it in its conflict with communism inheriting from the British all three strands of Islamism, the Egyptian, Saudi and Indian using it first in the Eisenhower Doctrine, in various upheavals and later with the anti-Soviet mujahedeen and subsequently the Taliban, to the phony Arab Spring revolutions of Tunisia, Egypt and Libya and what we are still seeing of its use in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. It will eventually turn on the US, Saudi and Israel and bite them in the ass.

      Nu’man Abd al-Wahid’s essay on Mondoweiss “British colonial strategy and the 9/11 blowback”

      http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/british-colonial-strategy-and-the-911-blowback.html

  32. Kay24
    July 27, 2014, 7:13 pm

    Haaretz:

    “Obama presses Netanyahu: It is imperative to reach immediate humanitarian cease-fire
    Senior U.S. official: Israeli criticism of Kerry was ‘extremely offensive”

    Of course it is offensive. How dare Israeli officials keep insulting our leaders and the WH officials? How many time have the openly been hostile towards the Obama administration. They are bunch of ungrateful oafs. Without our charity and weapons, Israel will not be so arrogant and violent.

    Okay US time to show tough love for the butchers in Tel Aviv. I do not want a cent of our monies going towards killing children and unarmed civilians. Do the decent thing.

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 7:18 pm

      It’s not the first time they’ve stabbed us in the back and insulted/offended the American people.

      I hope this administration has had enough abuse, lying, and theft of our treasury– I know I have.

      We get nothing from Israel but a weakened national security and a lousy reputation. Nothing. Let’s go be allies with the Iranian people instead. We have much more to gain and to work toward with them!

      • Kay24
        July 27, 2014, 9:37 pm

        Talking of Iran. It seem after all the demonizing of Iran, and making it look evil (one of the axis of evil too), today, Iran is looking much better that Israel, especially to the rest of the world. It has cooperated with other nations, kept it’s word regarding their nuclear program, and opened it’s facilities to the satisfaction of the UN officials. That is much more than what Israel has done.
        If Israel got it way, Iran, like Iraq, would have been shocked and awed, their people killed by the thousands, and bombed into rubble.
        Israel has no credibility anymore. It has lied to the world, caused trouble for nations they imagine threaten them, and are now under the watchful eyes of the world, blowing children up, all while proclaiming they are the most careful armed forces in the world, a whole lot of zio bull.
        Yes, Iran keeps looking better every day.

      • yonah fredman
        July 27, 2014, 10:58 pm

        Kay24- Talking of Iran- To merely compare Iran to Israel is to declare all the problems of the Middle East to be the Israel versus Iran dichotomy. But wait, isn’t there a civil war in Syria? Isn’t there a civil war in Iraq? Some people like to simplify, everything is the fault of Israel. Very silly. There are other players in the neighborhood. Saudia is best friends with Iran? No, not at all. Egypt is best friends with Iran? No, not at all.

        It is hard to measure what the world really thinks of Iran’s nuclear program and if its opposition is merely based upon the Israel Iran dichotomy. But there are other players in the region who are firmly opposed to Iran and this simplicity spouted by you is nonsense.

      • Shingo
        July 28, 2014, 6:43 pm

        But wait, isn’t there a civil war in Syria?

        You mean the one that was started by Saudi backed Jihadists?

        Isn’t there a civil war in Iraq?

        You mean the same one that was started by Saudi backed Jihadists? The same Jihadists that did not exist prior to the US attack and invasion of Iraq?

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2014, 3:01 am

        “Kay24- Talking of Iran-“

        I see Yonah has taken to haranguing women. We’ll see a nice example of Zionist male chauvinism then, if we don’t see anything more shocking.

  33. amigo
    July 27, 2014, 7:19 pm

    AJ is reporting here in Europe!

    Obama has appealed to Israel to agree to a ceasefire but stating that the tunnels must be addressed,

    AJ stated that Obama was stern with nietanyahu and told him he/Israel had a duty to do something about the high level of Palestinian deaths.

    John Kerry must be wagging Obamas ear about the so called pinpoint operations.

    They also state that Obama and co are now including Turkey and Qatar in the talks.

    Israel is getting more isolated by the day.

    CNN is showing raw footage of Israel,s murderous actions in Gaza,

  34. seafoid
    July 27, 2014, 7:30 pm

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607508

    “The Turkish pro-Palestinian organization IHH announced that its second Gaza flotilla will be launched soon – and will be afforded protection by the Turkish Navy, Israel’s NRG reported on Sunday.

    The group’s chairman told local Turkish media that the mission, titled ‘Freedom Flotilla II,’ was in the process of finalizing the legal paperwork needed to commence on the trip, and would embark as soon as it got the necessary permissions.

    This fleet, as opposed to the group’s previous one that was intercepted by the Israeli navy in 2010, would be protected by the Turkish Navy, he said.”

    • just
      July 27, 2014, 7:37 pm

      Whoa!

      Great news.

    • RoHa
      July 27, 2014, 9:37 pm

      I’ll believe it when it happens, but the prospect of a face-off between the Turkish and Israeli navies should concentrate a few minds.

  35. dbroncos
    July 27, 2014, 10:44 pm

    In a naval showdown between our NATO ally in Turkey and our BFF in Israel which would Obama choose? Congress? The page turns…. I hope Turkey has the cojones to do do it.

    • Citizen
      July 27, 2014, 11:32 pm

      Interesting since Turkey is a member of NATO, if memory serves. Imagine the WH press spokes person fielding questions on a fight between Turkey and Israel.

  36. Taxi
    July 28, 2014, 12:38 am

    Hamas chief: We cannot coexist with occupiers.

    Asked by veteran interviewer Charlie Rose whether he could foresee living beside Israelis in peace, Meshaal said only a future Palestinian state could decide whether to recognize the Jewish state.
    “We are not fanatics, we are not fundamentalists. We are not actually fighting the Jews because they are Jews per se. We do not fight any other races. We fight the occupiers,” he said.
    “I’m ready to coexist with the Jews, with the Christians and the Arabs and non-Arabs,” he said. “However, I do not coexist with the occupiers.”
    Pressed on whether Palestinians could recognize the state of Israel as a Jewish state, Meshaal reiterated Hamas’ position — the group does not recognize Israel.
    “When we have a Palestinian state then the Palestinian state will decide on its policies. You cannot actually ask me about the future. I answered you,” he said.
    “But Palestinian people can have their say when they have their own state without occupation.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-chief-cannot-coexist-occupiers-174958938.html

  37. HarryLaw
    July 28, 2014, 3:50 am

    seafoid, @” and would embark as soon as it got the necessary permissions”. Which of course it will not receive. After listening to advice from the US.

  38. amigo
    July 28, 2014, 6:28 am

    I have had a post up since 7,pm Sunday. (not sure which time zone MW runs on.)

    Many of the posts up are posted 10 to 14 hours after mine???.

    Why would this happen.Are not the posts dealt with in the order they are received.

  39. Citizen
    July 28, 2014, 8:14 am

    Anybody think Kerry really knows what this former AIPAC man knows re the best explanation of Israel’s conduct? http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=855aabd7ccd7a77e987004677&id=0d6151cdee&e=4c25168940

    You think our mainstream media people know it?

  40. DICKERSON3870
    July 28, 2014, 2:18 pm

    RE: “Last Friday evening, when the draft reached the Prime Minister’s Bureau at the Defense Ministry’s headquarters in Tel Aviv, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and the rest of the security ministers could not believe what had been written down on paper.” ~ Barak Ravid in Haaretz

    MY COMMENT: I also have a difficult time believing that Likudnik Israel might have launched ‘Operation Protective Edge’ in response to taunts it perceived Hamas to have made, but according to an article this past Saturday by Harriet Smith at TheGuardian.com:

    [EXCERPT] . . . Israel’s defence minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said on Friday that the military offensive could expand in the coming days. “At the end of the operation, Hamas will have to think very hard if it is worth it to taunt us in the future.” . . .

    In the past Israel has used one novel theory/excuse after another to claim that it had the right to attack/invade its neighbors. Apparently Likudnik Israel now believes that a taunt (as perceived by Likudnik Israel) justifies its launching an operation like “Protective Edge”.

    In the wake of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon back in 1982, Jacobo Timerman opined that WWIII would probably be caused by the use of an “inappropriate analogy”. Now it appears that Israel launched “Operation Protective Edge” in response to an what Likudnik Israel perceived to be inappropriate taunts (i.e., Hamas’ taunts).
    All I have to say is: “Hey Israel, you have a teenie weenie!”

    Netanyahu has a teenie weenie!
    Lieberman has a teenie weenie!
    Ya’alon has a teenie weenie!
    Livni has a teenie weenie!
    Teenie weenies!
    Teenie weenies!
    Teenie weenies!
    Na, na, . . . na, na, na!
    Oh, and I almost forgot, all Israeli mothers wear combat boots!
    [That should keep them busy for decades!]

    • DICKERSON3870
      July 28, 2014, 2:31 pm

      P.S. “To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.” ~ Voltaire

    • DICKERSON3870
      July 28, 2014, 2:44 pm

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Is There a Way Beyond Israeli Madness?” [Will the Chosen People and the Exceptional People Go Down Together?] ~ by John Grant, Counterpunch, 8/31/12

      [EXCERPTS]

      The patient, by the name of Israel, walks into the room and instantly bursts into a tirade of arguments conclusively proving his credentials, and says that he is better than everyone else.
      – Ofer Grosbard, “Israel On The Couch: The Psychology of the Peace Process”

      The problem Americans have with Israel is that the region it exists in is in the midst of a major political sea change, while Israel is frozen in time and holding on to its militarist, right-wing policies of extending settlements in the West Bank. It’s a policy that harks back to the ideas of the British-trained militarist Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall, which is based on the idea a live-and-let-live policy between Jews and Arabs is impossible and, thus, Jews must militarily control and repress Palestinians . . .
      . . . How does a people turn back a racially-oriented demonization program with roots that extend back many decades? How do you ratchet down a nation’s narcissism so people are able to simply see the other as a human being? . . .
      . . . On our part, Americans and the United States need to stop being a permissive yes-man and begin to show Israel some tough love. We need more US criticism of Israel. No doubt this approach will be received with gales of cynical laughter from hardliners … but so what?
      In my mind, the Israeli narcissistic and arrogant mindset would benefit from a little Buddhist detachment, more of the posture that sees the world not of separate individual selves and egos but of human beings as part of a larger flow of life. The Buddhists call the self-obsessed, separatist state-of-mind [i.e. the “pale” of Israel surrounded by Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall – J.L.D.] that Israel thrives on and defends with weapons as “the illusory self.”
      “Once one identifies with a permanent self-concept, the pride and craving adhering to this become the pivot from which an egocentric world arises,” writes Gay Watson, a psychotherapist attuned to Buddhism.
      David Loy puts it this way: “To become completely groundless is also to become completely grounded, not in some particular, but in the whole network of interdependent relations that constitute the world.”
      I’m not suggesting Israel become a Buddhist nation. The point is for Israelis, and more important Americans, to figure a way out of the worsening condition of “us versus them” to avoid the need to obliterate them and set off a war that no one really wants. The point is to re-shape our minds to make “the other” less threatening to permit talking.
      I’m not holding my breath that Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman are going to become peace activists.
      But I’m done as an American being a silent stooge while Israeli militarist madness fuels hatred and sets the stage for war.

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/31/is-there-a-way-beyond-israeli-madness/

  41. traintosiberia
    July 28, 2014, 3:07 pm

    Kerry has opened the can that no one will from the State Dept since Baker.
    What did Madam Albright propose? What did Rice propose.? What did Clinton
    propose?
    Any neocon’s anger at any government stance when combined with exasperation,ridicule,and disbelief from the Zionist entity is the proof that something positive is being aired or touted . Kerry has explicitly affirmed the position of Hamas that the blockade has to be lifted. Two days ago a guest on CNN implicitly argued the same when she added that there had be more freedom and more lifting of the blockade . But obviously it was allowed to be aired for it was said in a passing and not as the main argument by the guest .
    Despite Kerry being rejected , we see a pattern that Kerry has engaged to repeatedly. He raises most important and pertinent issue to the American consciousness and invokes ire ,fear,and anger from Zionist He achieves nothing immediately
    But he reminds the world how weak US is, he reminds American how deep and flawed US relation to Israel is and how impotent America has become. It also informs the public of the degraded living condition under the occupation .
    For all the above I think Kerry has done a good job exposing the Zionism .

  42. TS
    July 29, 2014, 3:39 am

    @JohnKerry tweets “Deaths of IDF/US citizens Max Steinberg & Sean Carmeli in #Gaza heartbreaking reminder of close bonds w/Israel/condolences to all” just 4 days before this piece is published. Not sure, Mondoweiss, not sure.

  43. Shingo
    July 29, 2014, 3:49 am

    It looks like the whole US govt is ready to jump off the Israeli bandwagon.

    US officials warn Kerry criticism could jeopardize Israel ties
    Washington fuming over negative Israeli response to ceasefire proposal drafted with Qatar and Turkey

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-officials-warn-kerry-criticism-could-jeopardize-israel-ties

    I don’t ever recall the US government threatening that US/Israeli relations were at risk.

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