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Will ‘Protective Edge’ galvanize the US mainstream, as ‘Cast Lead’ galvanized the left?

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There are more signs today that what the Israeli assault on Gaza in 2008-2009 did for the left, the latest assault is doing for the mainstream: solidifying a perception that Israeli leadership has lost its moorings, opening the floodgates of criticism. 

The Israeli attack on the UN school yesterday followed later by the attack on civilians in Shuja’iyyah market during an announced ceasefire had an effect on public officials. The school attack at last gained a rebuke from the Obama administration, though it didn’t pin blame on Israel. At the State Department briefing, reporters expressed distress that the U.S. is not saying more.

[Update: The U.S. government has now concluded that Israeli shells hit the school. The White House has called the attack “indefensible.” Reporters in the State Department this afternoon asked again and again why the U.S. is supplying arms to Israel given massive civilian casualties. Why is this different from when we cut off arms to Egypt after it fired on its citizens? two reporters have asked.]

And some of our leading MSM voices are letting their outrage show: Ayman Mohyeldin of NBC and Erin Burnett of CNN have shown humanity and courage. Burnett has tee’d up the obvious question: Why are Americans funding Israeli carnage?

The US has finally condemned Israel implicitly, by condemning the shelling of the UN school. AP on twitter:

It’s the sharpest criticism the U.S. has leveled at Israel over the more than three weeks of fighting

The White House did call for “a full, prompt and thorough investigation.” Here’s the White House’s equivocal statement, from Eric Schultz to the press:

the United States does condemn the shelling of a U.N. school in Gaza which reportedly killed and injured innocent Palestinians, including children and U.N. humanitarian workers….We also condemn those responsible for hiding weapons in the United Nations facilities in Gaza.  All of these actions violate the international understanding of the U.N.’s neutrality.

As you know, we first and foremost believe in Israel’s government — in the Israeli government’s right to and obligation to defend their citizens.  They’ve chosen to take military action to provide for that protection.  But as you also note, we’ve been very clear that Israel needs to do more to live up to its own standards to limit the civilian casualties.

At the State Department briefing, Matt Lee of the Associated Press dared to wonder about “consequences” if the U.S. ever were to determine that Israel hit the U.N. school, and another reporter asked about U.S. munitions involved in these assaults on civilians. Throughout the briefing, reporters asked about the overwhelming nature of the Israeli assault; and State condemned the school attack again and again, without blaming Israel, and expressed “concern” about the number of civilian casualties.

Excerpts of the reporters’ questions, along with Marie Harf’s occasional response:

Question: According to UNRWA, this is the sixth time that one of their schools has been hit. Israel has, in the past, said that it regrets any civilian casualties, says that it’s doing its best not to – or to mitigate collateral damage. You have said in the past that you think Israel needs to do more to live up to its own very high standards. This keeps happening, though, and I’m wondering, these mistakes or these – I don’t know if you – I don’t know if “mistakes” is the right word, but this seems to happen over and over again. Are you concerned that Israel is not attempting to live up to its own very high standards, or do you believe that they are trying to but are falling short in these cases?

MS. HARF: Well, I do believe that they are trying to live up to the high standard they set for themselves…

If you know that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent civilians in any target, whether it’s a UN facility or anything, do you think that that is a legitimate target?…

Marie, are you aware of the number of Palestinians that are in UNRWA schools?

MS. HARF: I don’t have a number for you, Said. They may have one…

this is becoming a daily ritual. I mean, the Israelis drop leaflets telling the Palestinians to evacuate, they take shelter in these facilities, then they are targeting. Parks are targeted, hospitals are targeted, and all these things are targeted. Pretty soon you’re not going to have any space where they are going to go. Where should they go?…

Marie, you just said that – again, that you’re – you stand with Israel and, quote, “We are proud to do so.”

MS. HARF: We are.

QUESTION: Even after an incident like today which you have condemned without blame, but even after calling – saying that Israel has not lived up to its own high standards, you’re … comfortable with Israel not living up to its own high standards?

MS. HARF: I didn’t say that.

QUESTION: But using weaponry that’s been supplied by the United States, is that correct?

MS. HARF: We have a very broad relationship with Israel to help it defend itself. I will check on the specifics about the resupply. But yes, we are very committed to their security.

Pierre Krahenbuhl, commissioner general of the UN Relief and Works Agency, said we’ve moved into the realm of “accountability.” There must be legal action against Israel:

Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced….

We are in the realm of accountability. I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage.

What is the appropriate response to the Israeli massacre? Many folks have passed along this incredible video of Chris Gunness of UNRWA breaking down over the latest atrocity during an interview– in evident despair over the world’s disdain for Palestinian life. I see that it is in the New York Times today. And posted by Hamas.

US officials haven’t cracked. Chuck Hagel’s expression of concern for civilian casualties and unwavering support for Israel is soldierly and shameful.

But here is one sign of US political breakage. Defense News:

A top Senate Republican is breaking with other party leaders by opposing the use of emergency funding to assist Israel in its fight against Hamas.

Roy Blunt of Missouri says Israel can wait for the regular Senate appropriations. And Defense News goes right to the Jewish vote:

“I’m a big fan of the Iron Dome, and the information we can share through Iron Dome [with Israel],” Blunt said during a brief interview. “There’s Iron Dome funding in the regular [defense] appropriations bill. I think that’s the place to do that.”

Missouri’s Jewish population makes up only 1 percent of the state’s total population, according to the US Census Bureau.

Maybe the media will give these officials more cover to begin to criticize. Erin Burnett’s coverage on CNN last night was excellent. She focused on the attack on the Shuja’iyyah market, showing this disturbing video of terrorized civilians. My wife had to leave the room; Burnett said, “Tough to watch.”

Her questions to former Israeli ambassador Dore Gold were just this side of withering. “That’s my question: where is ‘there?'” she pressed him, as he said that civilians could escape Israeli attacks.

When Maen Rashid Areikat of the PLO came on and grew angry about questions of Israeli responsibility/Hamas’s responsibility for the latest massacre, Burnett let him go on, from the heart. The CNN headline says it all: “The world has to wake up, the United States has to wake up.”

Burnett then did a segment on U.S. support for these atrocities. Her twitter feed indicates her attitude:

The U.S. is resupplying #Israel w/ ammunition…. the story of unilateral support for Israel’s military ops.

“If U.S. really wanted the fighting to stop, wouldn’t they do something about it?” @ErinBurnett w/ that question to @aarondmiller2

She pointed out this horrifying editorial by Michael Oren:

“more civilians will suffer, but by ending the cycle once and for all thousands of innocent lives will be saved.”

and promoted the response to it on her show, from James Zogby:

“It’s a shocking and horrific statement, and an immoral statement.” James Zogby re: Michael Oren’s #WaPo article

We can only hope that Burnett follows up this coverage by going to Gaza herself after this onslaught ends, and seeing what the open-air prison, as Areikat put it, looks like. Seeing the occupation in the West Bank, too.

Andrea Mitchell of NBC is also evidently upset. She asked the Israeli ambassador Ron Dermer if “Israel may be losing its soul, may be losing the war because of the political impact of what is happening on the ground.” He said it isn’t:

“We are upholding our values under the most extreme circumstances.”

Ayman Mohyeldin continues to let his feelings show. Last week he reported on the miraculous birth of a baby whose mother had been struck by Israeli arms. Well, the girl died.

Good Night Shayma’…Humanity has let you down. 

Mohyeldin retweeted Ken Roth’s judgment on the Israeli attack on the UN school:

“Nothing is more shameful than attacking sleeping children.” “All available evidence” points to : Ban Ki-moon.

He has tweeted an image of that mosque that Israel destroyed yesterday, toppling the minaret

Shati Refugee Camp, Gaza. Israel destroyed this mosque. In doing so, the blast severed the towering several-ton minaret structure which collapsed into, and destroyed the residential building across the street that had already been damaged by the explosive blast. Even if Israel is using surgical strikes, it’s the civilian population that – may have no idea what is happening in a mosque across the street – that is paying the price.

And here’s Mohyeldin’s tweet about John Kerry’s protestations yesterday, subtly mocking the Israel lobby:

Facing criticism Sec Kerry defends his senate record saying he had “a 100% voting record pro-Israel” & he’s 2nd to none in defending Israel

Kerry’s remarks:

I’ve spent 29 years in the United States Senate and had a 100 percent voting record pro-Israel, and I will not take a second seat to anybody in my friendship or my devotion to the protection of the state of Israel. But I also believe, as somebody who’s been to war, that it is better to try to find a way, if you can, to solve these problems before you get dragged into something that you can’t stop. And it seems to me that this is a reasonable effort, fully protecting Israel’s rights, fully protecting Israel’s interests, and Prime Minister Netanyahu himself said to me: Can you try to get a humanitarian cease-fire for this period of time? And if it weren’t for his commitment to it, obviously, the President of the United States and I would not be trying to make this effort. Now, either I take his commitment at face value, or someone is playing a different game here, and I hope that’s not the fact.

Some things never change.

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  1. just
    July 31, 2014, 10:10 am

    “Facing criticism Sec Kerry defends his senate record saying he had “a 100% voting record pro-Israel” & he’s 2nd to none in defending Israel”

    When I heard Kerry say that, I hung my head in shame. I want every American pol and citizen to know that by ‘defending Israel’, you are killing innocents and any hope for justice. You are on the side of murderers.

    Israel is not in danger from any resistance in Gaza or the WB!

    So far Israel has killed journalists, bombed schools, hospitals and killed innocents.

    • Justpassingby
      July 31, 2014, 12:08 pm


      Still there are people here, well even Phil himself that said just days ago that Kerry moved himself from Israel.

      The analysis is lacking here.

  2. eljay
    July 31, 2014, 10:16 am

    >> John Kerry: I’ve spent 29 years in the United States Senate and had a 100 percent voting record pro-Israel and, while I can’t be bothered to give a f*ck about the average human being, I will not take a second seat to anybody when it comes to sucking Zio-supremacist @ss.

  3. US Citizen
    July 31, 2014, 10:41 am

    I’m sick of listening to Obama, Kerry, Victoria Nuland and her ilk, Samantha Power, Congress, and the US MSM being whores to AIPAC and Israel.

    I am sick and tired of Obama and Kerry’s mumblings about sanctions for Russia and not one word to the American people, about the atrocities by Israel in Gaza. Kerry – “the people of Gaza should have some freedom. ” SOME ? How do these idiots look themselves in the mirror.

    Pathetic and embarrassing isn’t it? It is sad indeed that the first African-American president of the United States blindly defends in Israel exactly the kind of institutionalized bigotry, apartheid oppression, racism, and violence in Israel the civil rights movement defeated in this country, a victory that made his election possible.

    Obama needs to author a follow up entitled “The Audacity of Nope”.

    Good news? There will be when the US recognizes a two-state solution, a separation between Israel and this one, the United States.

  4. Ron Edwards
    July 31, 2014, 10:46 am

    Dermer: “We are upholding our values under the most extreme circumstances.”

    He’s right about that, anyway.

    The values are sadism, brutality, phobia, ignorance, atrocity, arrogance, and that curious bullying thing in which the bullies revel in knowing that what they’re doing is wrong, and pretend to dare anyone to do anything about it, but knowing privilege is protecting them. That these values are “ours” within Israel is historically undeniable.

    The most extreme circumstances are the bravery, resolve, and potential power of the Palestinian nation, and I use the latter word most precisely.

    • just
      July 31, 2014, 10:51 am

      very well said, Ron.

    • Citizen
      July 31, 2014, 1:42 pm

      Yes, the Zionists are truly upholding the core values of Zionism–and most adult Americans are funding them, totally unaware of Zionist ideology and history. How would you characterize this kind of contemporary human, born in “the home of the free and the land of the brave?” They have a talmudic lesser soul? Or they are simply born with a Christian “original sin”? What? They simply aren’t educated enough, or moral enough, to read some history, say all about the Warsaw Ghetto? Just can’t seem to find the word “Nakba?” Have too many friends from Brooklyn who now are settlers in the WB? What, who?

    • Chu
      July 31, 2014, 9:18 pm

      They’ve been there for half a century, and there only ally is Egypt who is bought and paid for by US dollars. The ideology is bankrupt, everyone knows it world-wide, except for the US government.

  5. Abierno
    July 31, 2014, 11:01 am

    Impressive and accurate.

  6. Kay24
    July 31, 2014, 11:02 am

    The Bleeding of Gaza

    The pounding of bombs blasting and many lives torn apart

    Fear of the unknown hoping those noises will never start

    little babies hurt lives lost and may never be the same

    future adults hurt badly traumatized and maybe even lame

    cling to their mothers trying to block out the awful sounds

    missiles so deafening or deadly bombs weighing 500 pounds

    homes are now rubble, schools, hospitals and UN compounds

    are all now in shambles, simply stones on the hard ground

    no water, shortage of medicine and children in total darkness

    Doctors too tired but work, for the injured are simply endless

    A little girl injured the doctor anguished says her only crime

    was that she was born Palestinian and at the wrong time

    Relentless waves of terror pain and constant tension

    No help, support, protection, or iron domes of prevention

    Rows and rows of homes once housed happy families

    All decimated by hate and violence, and justified by lies

    How much longer can these poor victims tolerate and give

    they wake up each day wondering if they would die or live

    Hugging their children, is this last time they could do so

    no shelter to keep them safe, no place to run to hide or go

    those who cause such terror do not seem to worry nor care

    where these poor civilians will shelter or how they will fare

    hundreds and hundreds of lives shattered injured or lives lost

    Defending themselves the aggressor cares not for the cost

    the brutality is unconscionable the death tolls and injuries arise

    the Palestinians face death again it is grim and the same price

    Those who protect and arm the killers should bow their heads in shame

    those deadly weapons are now blowing up children in this unfair game

    parroting the lies making victims out of those who are to be blamed

    justifying the massacre and ignoring this genocide it is now named

    they have the right to defend themselves is the constant refrain

    who protects the victims of violence and speak of their rights and pain

    They do not mention the occupation, the blockade or the war crime

    that years have passed for freedom no blockades it is past time

    nor mention collective punishment, that much is now clear

    to condemn it means antisemitism for their only ally so dear

    So let the bombs drop let the casualties mount there will be more

    these lives are worthless, not God’s chosen not deserving to adore

    who is the bigger terrorist the world would want to see and know

    the side that inflicts more pain and death and causes blood to flow

    the same side that cries victim and lies but numbers will always tell

    it is the side that slaughters helpless humans and inflicts unholy Hell.

    • just
      July 31, 2014, 11:07 am

      many, many thanks Kay. well expressed, indeed. will pass it on.


      • Kay24
        July 31, 2014, 1:07 pm

        Thanks when I am down I just write verses. It is therapeutic for me.:))

      • Daniel Rich
        July 31, 2014, 8:54 pm

        @ Kay24,

        Yes, it’s indefinitely better to get it out of your system [mentally/morally/spiritually/etc.] than to hoard it, without proper space to store it.

        I just wonder what life’s all about, when death has become your permanent shadow, ready to strike without a moment’s notice…

        How much damage does all this carnage, death and destruction, do to an ordinary soul?

        I’m so ashamed…

      • Kay24
        August 1, 2014, 7:58 am

        It is that feeling of helplessness and anger that is hard to bear. Helpless because no one can do anything when little kids are being blown apart (really, what is the difference between a suicide bomber and Israel using deadlier weapons to blow people up?) and anger that the US is complicit in the massacre of civilians who have done nothing to harm us. We are arming and supporting this genocide.
        Writing verses has been a habit of mine for the past few years, and it does make me feel better even for a while. :))

  7. Brown-Eyed Girl
    July 31, 2014, 11:07 am

    I was beyond shocked when I heard on the news that the US is re-supplying Israel with weapons. Shocked. How can Obama say out of one side of his mouth that he wants a cease fire and the civilian death toll is unacceptable and THEN re-supply Israel with the very ammunition that is killing those civilians?? The blood of Gaza’s children is as much on his hands as it is on Netanyahu’s.

    Unbelievable, i wonder if the bombs, mortar rounds and the ammo in the grenade launchers, has “Made in the USA” on it. I wonder if the bomb that hit the UN school or the market are stamped with “Made in the USA.”

    • Hostage
      August 1, 2014, 3:12 pm

      I was beyond shocked when I heard on the news that the US is re-supplying Israel with weapons.

      Bear in mind that the 9th Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly stated that Israel was guilty of the crime of aggression; condemned the use of the veto by the United States to prevent the application of sanctions; and called upon all Member States to refrain from supplying Israel with any weapons and related equipment and to suspend any military assistance which Israel receives from them.

  8. joer
    July 31, 2014, 11:10 am

    The mainstream is trending younger, darker, and poorer plus women are gaining power. According to the poll you sited the other day, these are precisely the groups that are sympathetic with Palestine. Right now this shift is showing around the edges as reflected in the above examples, but as this demographic trend continues, change will come like a tidal wave. It has already happened with gay rights: what was the mainstream ten years ago seems ridiculously out of date now.(That example has mainly to do with a younger generation gaining power, but it does foretell what will happen with other issues). These changes can’t be stopped with walls, bombs, or propaganda-and I believe the liberation of Palestine will be only one change that happens as these changes continue.

  9. CloakAndDagger
    July 31, 2014, 11:26 am

    Take a look at this article:

    Mr Dermer is considered so close to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he has been called “Bibi’s brain”. He is also a former student and employee of Frank Luntz, the Republican strategist who produced a confidential booklet in 2009, promptly leaked, advising Israeli spokesmen how best to manipulate American and European public opinion. “Don’t confuse messages with facts,” Dr Luntz advises the spokesmen as he explains how facts should be selected and best presented to make Israel’s case.
    It is a sophisticated document based on wide-ranging opinion polls, suggesting, for instance, that the removal of Israeli settlements from the West Bank should be denounced as “a kind of ethnic cleansing”. Dr Luntz stresses that spokesmen must demonise Hamas, but above all emphasise that they feel for the sufferings of Palestinians as well as Israelis. As a sample of what they should say, he gives: “The day will come when Israeli children and Palestinian children will grow up together, play together, and work together side-by-side not just because they have to but because they want to.”

    The problem about this approach is that it sounds particularly hypocritical when, according to Unicef, 230 children have been killed in Gaza, an average of ten a day, and 2,000 have been wounded by Israeli bombs, shells and bullets. Israeli spokesmen are now denying their responsibility for the most notorious and televised atrocities such as the strike on the UN hospital last week. This is an old PR tactic, though not one recommended by Dr Luntz, which is sometime referred to as “first you say no story, then you say old story”. In other words, deny everything in the teeth of the evidence on day one and, by the time definitive proof of the massacre comes through, nobody notices when you have to admit responsibility.

    • Abierno
      July 31, 2014, 3:56 pm

      Fortunately for Gaza/Palestine, pictures are worth minimally a thousand words
      and ones such as the deliberate strafing of children on a Gaza beach, at least
      100,000. Frank Luntz dealt only with words and we are very much a visual
      culture. Iconic images overpower even the best of propaganda slogans.

    • Kay24
      July 31, 2014, 8:02 pm

      If that is Bibi’s brain, then no wonder Bibi is looking very bad today, with so many war crimes against him, he has ordered the killing of 1500 civilians injuring thousands, and Dermer has been shown to be a liar and on CNN. A very lame ambassador who advises a war monger whose brains are only full of war, nothing else. Make that illegal settlements too.

    • can of worms
      August 1, 2014, 12:30 am

      What I find weird is the total ignorance (?!) of Frank Luntz, the Republican strategist, whose sample of what they should say, is: “The day will come when Israeli children and Palestinian children will grow up together, play together, and work together side-by-side not just because they have to but because they want to.”

      I mean Jewish Israelis would never in their life, ever, ever, ever! Racism and their fear of devaluation won’t let them. “Grow up together?” Next they might even…sleep together! lol!

  10. John O
    July 31, 2014, 11:26 am

    Re the US supplying Israel with ammunition. It’s apparently from US stocks held in Israel for “emergencies”. I have a vague recollection that, during Cast Lead, the Israelis simply entered this ammunition store, without any agreement from the US, and helped themselves to the contents. Can anyone here confirm?

  11. HarryLaw
    July 31, 2014, 11:51 am

    Oran said, “Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas” This cannot be done, it is a physical impossibility. Of course its the proliferating rocket fire of the qassams which are increasing in range and lethality, and can never be stopped, simply because
    1/ They are so simple to make, just a length of common metal pipe with fins spot welded on, fuel a combination of potassium nitrate [fertilizer] and sugar, the equipment to manufacture them can be found in any simple garage or workshop. A reporter from Spiegel online visited one of these workshops in Gaza and found just a few individuals could turn out 100 rockets in one shift. Yes Hamas have fired over 2000 rockets so far and only succeeded in blowing up the desert. But if they moved their workshops and manufacturing facilities or just their rockets to anywhere around the Metropolitan area of Tel Aviv, in other words 10 miles north, south, east or west of Ben Gurion airport, most rockets with a flight time of several seconds could directly impact the airport and be impossible to stop. Bang goes the Israeli economy including the tourist industry, the same could be said for refineries and other strategic locations. In 4GW warfare low tech can beat high tech anytime, just ask the US. In Iraq they spent billions trying to combat IED’s. University Departments were given huge contracts and came up with all kinds of exotic solutions, some did work, for instance by triggering a premature explosion, the insurgents simply started using commercial fertilizer and set the explosion off with a piece of string, game over. Margaret Weiss at the Washington Institute did an interesting article on the qassam rocket here.

    • W.Jones
      July 31, 2014, 12:00 pm

      Have they ever used plain bottle rockets and if so is there any evidence of that?

      • HarryLaw
        July 31, 2014, 3:54 pm

        W.Jones. I suppose those small qassams could be called bottle rockets, the one that landed near Ben Gurion airport was the most powerful rocket the resistance has ever fired. It caused significant political, psychological and severe economic damage, for instance Tourism accounts for more than 6% of GDP, Ben Gurion is the gateway for that tourism and is also the hub of business and investment, having your main airport closed will do wonders for business investment and confidence, that’s why Israeli leaders and Mayor Bloomberg went ape shit when several carriers along with the US Federal Aviation Administration did not want to take any risks and refused to fly in, remember that was only 1 missile [bottle rocket] landing 1 mile away. these closures would be devastating to the Israeli economy. These threats will only get worse Ben Gurion is Israels Achilles heel.

    • tokyobk
      July 31, 2014, 12:38 pm

      Strangely everything you wrote, word for word, could have been in an AIPAC fundraising letter, and is literally the justification given for the wall.

      I also don’t think Hamas can be crushed and I don’t think Israel wants to because next would be a one of the two regional groups. I think the plan of this government is to try to pound the sumud out of the Palestinians, also impossible. And to break up Hamas/PA alliances which I think they have done.

      • HarryLaw
        July 31, 2014, 1:00 pm

        Tokyobk What I am saying, and what you said just recently i.e, “what it says to me is that they need to come to there realization that a people willing to tunnel is basically never going to be conquered. Ever. The goal of finally and forever subduing the Palestinians is impossible.” I agree, so the Israelis have two choices either come to an agreement based on International law or fight the Arabs forever, who we both admit cannot be beaten. In my opinion the Israelis can be beaten,even with the low tech [at the moment] military capabilities of the Palestinians, the greatest military force in the world had to admit defeat in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, why should Israel be different?

      • ivri
        July 31, 2014, 5:35 pm

        @ Harry Law. Two main errors:
        Israel doesn`t fight the Arabs anymore – it has an implicit cooperation with some main ones. In regard to Hamas, Egypt loathes them even more than Israel.
        Encouraging the Palestinians to continue fighting because “in the end they will win” ignores the continual price of that. People are innately not warriors for Grand Causes but want normal life and it is only for so long that they do “heroism”. Hamas strategy was in effect an eternal war with Israel, with all resources subjugated to that, and my sense is that this is the last time the Palestinians are going to buy into that approach.

      • Daniel Rich
        August 1, 2014, 1:54 am

        @ ivri,

        Q: Encouraging the Palestinians to continue fighting because “in the end they will win” ignores the continual price of that.

        R: Yes, you’re absolutely right.

        The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was a lost cause from the get-go.

      • can of worms
        August 1, 2014, 4:21 am

        Precisely. From Ivri the Occupier’s pov, the Israeli savagery, the endless war crimes in the name of Occupation, will have all been worth it, after all, if Palestinians buy out of the struggle against the Occupier.

        Sums up what this is all about.

      • tokyobk
        July 31, 2014, 10:52 pm

        Yes, I took it that way.

  12. bopfromthedarkside
    July 31, 2014, 11:58 am

    I don’t think Israel cares what the US mainstream thinks. Surely the US government does not, especially when it comes to Zionism. I fear this slaughter- without-end is designed to bring Iran into it, leading to war with the US. Maybe nuke-war. Zionism is the enemy of the American people.

  13. Justpassingby
    July 31, 2014, 12:09 pm

    The fact that majority of the world buy israeli propaganda show how great israeli propaganda is.

  14. french_jew
    July 31, 2014, 12:14 pm

    Critics of Israel and zionism also seem to be making themselves a bit more mainstream within the American jewish community.
    No such thing happening here in France unfortunately, but the two situations are too different.

  15. Hostage
    July 31, 2014, 12:49 pm

    Even if Israel is using surgical strikes, it’s the civilian population that – may have no idea what is happening in a mosque across the street – that is paying the price.

    The Israelis are dropping munitions designed to destroy entire city blocks. The fireball and blast effects can incinerate everything up to a height that’s several stories above the tallest buildings and at ground level cars and debris are flying around at ballistic speeds. You can see flying debris that includes steel reinforcing bar, pipes, and large chunks of concrete silhouetted in front of dust clouds over a hundred feet in the air from one end of a city block to the other. It’s ludicrous to talk about pinpoint operations when you are using F16s to deliver 500 to 2000 pound munitions just to see how high you can make the rubble bounce.

    • Kay24
      July 31, 2014, 1:15 pm

      So true Hostage. You will be half brained to think their strategy is to avoid civilian casualties, when the numbers are that high. It is frightening to think that they may be using deadlier weapons than we realized, already there is some accusations of banned weapons being used. They may also be experimenting with some made in Israel weapons, on powerless Palestinians. By the time we learn of it, it will be too late for these victims. To think people who were targets of racism, genocide, and victims of horrible experiments, may be doing similar crimes, against those they occupy and hold in the largest concentration camp in our time.

      • Citizen
        July 31, 2014, 1:56 pm

        How many Nakba museums do US taxpayers pay for around America? Indeed, how many devoted to native American history? Now, count the Shoah museums. How many Sheldon Adelsons do the Palestinian Americans have? What did Truman say? He said he had no Arab constituents. Zionist money bags funded his whistle stop campaign, at a time when the in-crowd all said he was a total loser. What did the ziobots back then tell him? “Do what we say or we will put our money bags and NY news OP writers in Dewey’s pocket.” There and then the US government no longer looked at its best interests; it totally ignored its own State Dept and diplomats at the UN. Obama would have to be Ike to make a moment’s dent in this trajectory. We now longer our build POTUS modeled on actual warrior leaders. Bush Sr was our next best attempt. We now build our POTUS models, our Golems, out of very cheap AIPAC clay. Notice how much the US main media is pushing Putin as unreasonable, same as it pushes Iran as such? Zionists remember Nixon was an anti-semite, but he saved Israel with US war material–they want that old COLD war again, want Israel to be a US asset. It’s not. It’s a deep liability.

      • Chu
        July 31, 2014, 9:36 pm

        same old strategy citizen, and people think they have free choice in elections.

    • chet
      July 31, 2014, 2:35 pm

      From Wiki —

      “The Mark 84 has a nominal weight of 2,000 lb (907.2 kg), but its actual weight varies depending on its fin, fuze options, and retardation configuration, from 1,972 to 2,083 lb (894.5 to 944.8 kg). It is a streamlined steel casing filled with 945 lb (428.6 kg) of Tritonal high explosive.[1]
      The Mark 84 is capable of forming a crater 50 feet (15.2 m) wide and 36 ft (11.0 m) deep. It can penetrate up to 15 inches (381.0 mm) of metal or 11 ft (3.4 m) of concrete, depending on the height from which it is dropped, and causes lethal fragmentation to a radius of 400 yards (365.8 m).[3]”

      A radius of 400 yds means a diameter of 800 yds — nearly half a mile — destruction almost beyond belief in such a densely populated area.

    • Chu
      July 31, 2014, 9:26 pm

      Israel could act surgically, but it wants to punish Gazans, because the extremist government and political body, prefer no real peaceful solution. They want to eradicate the problem militarily – It’s all they know how to do really. All I have is a hammer…

  16. SallySnyder
    July 31, 2014, 12:53 pm

    Here is a tally of the total number of munitions that both sides of this conflict have used since it began in early July:

    It is interesting to see an accurate count of how many missiles, shells and rockets each side has used.

    • just
      July 31, 2014, 2:43 pm

      thank you.

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2014, 7:03 pm

        Wouldn’t there also be a great difference in the explosive force and lethality (DIME, flechettes, etc) of the weapons, in addition to a greater number and types of weapons?
        Not to mention the complete and utter disparity in the ability to aim and target the weapons.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 7:05 pm

        important points…thanks, Mooser.

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2014, 9:47 pm

        There are two videos at the website linked which allow you to compare the effect of a ‘Hamas’ rocket and an Israeli missile strike. There’s very little comparison.

      • just
        July 31, 2014, 9:54 pm

        watched them.

        no comparison at all…

      • libra
        August 1, 2014, 4:39 pm

        @Mooser: …compare the effect of a ‘Hamas’ rocket and an Israeli missile strike. There’s very little comparison.

        Yet as the ‘war’ continues, those physically devastating Israeli weapons become symbols of impotence whilst those physically impotent Palestinian rockets become symbols of triumph.

    • Daniel Rich
      July 31, 2014, 9:59 pm

      Per Sally Snyder’s link:

      Israel under ‘attack’

      Gaza under Attack

  17. RobertB
    July 31, 2014, 1:14 pm

    A complete and total disgrace to the US so called government!

    Infants, children, women, journalists, ambulances, schools, hospitals, mosques, neighborhoods, families, and over 1,300 killed with the use of American made weapons given “free” to Apartheid Israel. And still not a damn pip-squeak of condemnation! No one dares to speak out! The American “Israel’s servants” are shackled and muffled!

    Americans are way too busy working to pay their ever increasing debts…their 12-24 pack beer cases, their remote controls…and ahhh…snooze time! Their taxpayers $$$ always plenty to give to Apartheid Israel…while US roads, highways, schools…etc… just crumbling and NO funds $$$ readily available for the USA! Israel comes first!

    Total shame & disgrace…indeed!

  18. Darcha
    July 31, 2014, 1:30 pm

    On a lighter note amidst the horror:

    In a comments section–
    Commenter One: Hospitals, schols, mosques, shelters…. Is there anything that Israel won’t shell?

    Commenter Two: Lobster.

    • Mooser
      August 1, 2014, 10:51 am

      “Commenter One: Hospitals, schols, mosques, shelters…. Is there anything that Israel won’t shell?
      Commenter Two: Lobster.”

      In Israel, there is no Sanity Claws.

  19. concernedhuman
    July 31, 2014, 2:37 pm

    UNHRC again calling for accountability !

    Israel has attacked homes, schools, hospitals, and UN premises in apparent violation of the Geneva Conventions, Navi Pillay, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said.
    “Therefore I would say that they appear to be defying… deliberate defiance of obligations that international law imposes on Israel,” Pillay told a news briefing.

    “This is why again and again I say we cannot allow impunity, we cannot allow this lack of accountability to go on.”

    She is criticizing role of America in this conflict.

    Pillay said that she was appalled at Washington consistently voting against resolutions on Israel in the Human Rights Council, General Assembly and Security Council.

    “They have not only provided the heavy weaponry which is now being used by Israel in Gaza but they’ve also provided almost $1 billion in providing the ‘Iron Dome’ to protect the Israelis from rocket attacks,” she said. “But no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling.”


    Will again fall on deaf ears?!

  20. just
    July 31, 2014, 7:55 pm

    boycott “mobileye”! the technology looks interesting, but no way!

    (Israeli tech IPO being offered tomorrow on NYSE– acc. to CNN report, Israel’s economy is just fine.)

  21. Bob_Salad
    July 31, 2014, 8:45 pm

    Protective Fudge.

  22. seafoid
    July 31, 2014, 8:54 pm

    A Message From Roger Waters:


    When the wind scythes through the crop
    And good men fall
    And children
    Soft in mothers arms
    Cringe unbelieving
    From the desperados casual blade
    My Father, distant now
    But live and warm and strong
    In uniform tobacco haze
    Speaks out.

    My son, he says.
    Stay not the passion of your loss
    But rather keen and hone its edge
    That, You may never turn away
    Numb, brute, from bets too difficult to hedge.

    What price the child?
    Yours or mine?
    This one at home?
    The baby bird,
    in whistling bowls of pasta worms.
    That one on TV

    Limp and bloodied on the Gazan shore
    To fail to feel that other fathers loss
    Denies connections forged in filial blood
    And handed banner bright from man to boy
    In pride of place, loin strong, bereft of pettiness and rancour.

    Cup your tears, my father says
    Cup that salt badge of strife
    It flows from but one river
    It was on that my son
    I bet my life.

    We shall not stand by Silent and indifferent.
    We will not be still
    We will gather on street corners
    We will chain ourselves to railings
    We will throw ourselves in front of kings horses
    We will speak the truth
    We will not be cowed by the bully boys who pose and fiddle on the hill.

    Shoulder to shoulder, man, woman and child
    Arms linked, we will remember our dead
    And the words of our teachers,

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    Will ring in our ears.

    We shall overcome
    We shall overcome
    We shall overcome one day
    Deep in my heart
    I do believe
    That we shall overcome one day.

    • just
      July 31, 2014, 9:31 pm

      thanks seafoid.

      Roger Waters has been on the side of justice for a long time.

  23. Kate
    July 31, 2014, 9:04 pm

    Haven’t got a less sanitized version of the video of the latest attacks on Shuja’iyya just shown on CNN, but here is one of one of the previous attacks:

    فيديو جديد يوثق مجزرة الشجاعية +16 a new video for Massacre in Shujaiya

    • just
      July 31, 2014, 9:20 pm

      What did THEY do to anyone? Massacred– and prayers being cried by the survivors. The gentle care of the man trying to remove razor wire from the slaughtered man…

      Is this what so many Israelis celebrate from the rooftops?

      • Kate
        July 31, 2014, 11:55 pm

        On a second and third inspection, I think this is the same double
        attack, and the same video, but without the censorship.

  24. American
    July 31, 2014, 11:28 pm

    Hummm….I just took another look at that Gallup poll on americans support for Israel

    The actual total for Israel is 41% vr 39% against Israel.
    I dont trust polls that much but if anyone wants to go by this one 41% for vr 39% against is not what I call a overwhelming margin.

  25. fingrinn
    August 1, 2014, 1:33 am

    Was just watching Hannity here in New Zealand and he had a guest on named Mudar Zahran going on through all the usual talking points about Gaza.
    A very shifty looking guy whos eyes kept on going to the right, a sure sign of lying.
    On screen Fox news described him as Mudar Zahran “Palestinian political leader”
    So i looked him up, guess what i found?

    Zahran has lived abroad for half of his life.[3] He has worked as assistant policy coordinator at the American Embassy in Amman.[3] He has two master’s degrees, was educated in the United States[3] and is completing a PhD in Middle Eastern banking at the University of Bedfordshire in the UK.[4]

    Zahran lives in London and has two daughters and a son

    Oh and hes not Palestinian but Jordanian

    • Kay24
      August 1, 2014, 8:03 am

      Typical Fox fake news and the usual ruse to show Palestinians in a negative light.

      New Zealand is one of my must visit places. It looks beautiful.

  26. Djinn
    August 1, 2014, 1:53 am

    Oh and hes not Palestinian but Jordanian

    You can be both. Millions of Jordanians are Palestinian. Like the current Queen consort.

    • fingrinn
      August 1, 2014, 2:11 am

      I stand corrected, but i do maintain he is not a “Palestinian political leader” but a puppet for his Us and British Masters.

  27. just
    August 1, 2014, 5:43 am

    “10.28am BST

    Reuters is snapping that 25 people have been killed in Israeli shelling in southern Gaza, so the three-day humanitarian ceasefire is not much of one so far.

    10.25am BST

    The ceasefire seems to be unravelling fast, going by this tweet from Barak Ravid, Haaretz’s diplomatic correspondent.

    BREAKING: Israeli official: We informed UN envoy Robert Serry that the humanitarian ceasefire is over
    — Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) August 1, 2014

    10.21am BST

    The Associated Press reports that four Palestinians were killed in Rafah in southern Gaza this morning despite the ceasefire that took effect at 8am local time. Agence France-Presse says eight Palestinians died. Here’s AP:

    Shortly before 10.00am Israeli tanks shelled the eastern part of the town of Rafah in southern Gaza, killing at least four people and wounding 15, said health ministry official Ashraf al-Kidra and Gaza police spokesman Ayman Batniji. An Israeli Army spokesman said a heavy exchange of fire had erupted in the Rafah area, without providing further details.

    This is AFP’s version.

    But within hours an AFP journalist on the Israeli side of the border heard air raid sirens warning of a rocket attack, and the sound of outgoing Israeli artillery fire. Medics said eight people were killed in bombardment east of the town of Rafah, in southern Gaza, as heavy shelling of the area was heard.

    Israel immediately accused Hamas and other Gaza militants of committing a “flagrant breach” of the truce. Israeli tank and air fire killed 14 Palestinians in Gaza prior to Friday’s ceasefire deadline, and the army said five of its soldiers died in mortar fire near the border with the Palestinian coastal enclave.”

  28. michelle
    August 1, 2014, 5:58 am

    cease fire w/o Israel withdraw whatever
    Israel will continue to destroy ‘tunnels’ durring ‘cease fire’ whatever
    U.S. Israel and Egypt to draw up peace plan without Palestine whatever
    Hamas not allowed because ‘they’re so bad’ whatever
    i will forevermore think of the Israeli people as gleeful baby killers
    G-d Bless

  29. just
    August 1, 2014, 5:58 am

    “10.55am BST

    The persistently high civilian death toll in Gaza has raised questions among military analysts and humanitarian law experts over the quality of training of Israeli gunners and their rules of engagement in such heavily populated areas, writes Julian Borger, the Guardian’s diplomatic editor. He quotes Amnesty International’s Donatella Rovera.

    Reckless targeting is a recurring problem, and the hand-wringing and words of regret no longer have any value. If you are making the same mistakes again and again, you would hope something is being learned,” she said, adding there was no sign of any disciplinary action for IDF mistakes that kill civilians. “There is no pattern of anyone being held to account, and impunity just leads to more reckless behaviour.

    10.48am BST

    The death toll from Israeli shelling near the southern Gaza town of Rafah is rising sharply. Reuters is now reporting that at least 40 people have died, which would make this one of the deadliest days of the conflict.

    Ayman Mohyeldin
    #Gaza fishermen returning to the port & kids are running off the beach back home as news that violence has broken out again spreads quickly
    5:24 AM – 1 Aug 2014”

  30. michelle
    August 1, 2014, 6:03 am

    Good morning Just
    G-d Bless

  31. Trev
    August 1, 2014, 6:59 am

    Here’s a time lapse video taken over 1 hour in what i think is Shujayea.

  32. Tuyzentfloot
    August 1, 2014, 7:04 am

    My flemish daily newspaper ‘De Morgen’ is very mainstream progressive with strong ties to Israel. Its record of reporting on Israel is terrible. There’s a range of course, but it’s always been liberal zionist at best. They’ll mention B’Tselem reports for instance, and some reports are technically flawless by themselves.

    But it is shifting now. I have to say I’m relieved to see it. I’ve been very critical of Koen Vidal, the head of foreign reporting , but in his latest posts he stopped distributing blame evenly or describing things as a symmetric conflict. No more narrative of ‘overreacting’ and thus implicitly justifying Israels general objectives.
    He’s blaming Israel and he clearly started looking into sources that previously were not considered part of the ‘reasonable range of opinions’.
    He’s even mentioned Luntz now which means he’s reading Patrick Cockburn and I suspect he’s been talking to diplomats. The layer below the decisionmakers often has a clearer view of things.

    If they really want do move things they’d put a picture of sodastream stuff on the front. Just a neutral article you know, not instigating BDS.
    Belgians don’t know Sodastream is Israeli, let alone westbank. But that would cost them and of course a shift doesn’t mean they all suddenly changed their minds.

    Meanwhile the reports of antisemitic incidents are also being published, including some dubious : woman with Israeli flag being harassed. Antisemitism, right?
    The thing is , they’re worried about antisemitism but no longer bending over because of it.

    They’ll still be publishing some rubbish narratives of course, and they are, but I’m relieved, really. I’ve read that paper since a very long time.

  33. just
    August 1, 2014, 8:06 am

    whew. Regev LYING with renewed vigor.

    (can someone please tell Israel that one does not kidnap an enemy soldier– it’s called a capture!)

    KKKhamas is to blame for everything– Regev even expresses faux concern for the Palestinians. Regev confirms the capture of a 2nd Lt. He promises an escalation……

    Just what Israel wanted!

    • Kay24
      August 1, 2014, 8:17 am

      If the media had one ounce of honesty, they must ask them why they are so outraged when a soldier is captured, while hundreds of little kids are being kidnapped by the IDF in the night. That is never questioned.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 8:23 am

        WH Earnest spouts Israel line on CNN.

        Earnestly defending Israel– calls the capture a barbaric violation of the ceasefire…………


      • Kay24
        August 1, 2014, 10:57 am

        I watched with disbelief when someone called Tony Blanken sounded almost robotic as he spewed the hasbara, and how Israel has the right to defend itself etc.
        No mention of the rights for the Palestinian people, who do not have the privilege to be armed by us.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 11:01 am

        I know.

        CNN had the bad idea to put the Dersh on again this morning…he was so mad, he nearly popped thru the telly.

        (the robotic Newspeak guy is Tony Blinken– Assistant to the President of the United States and Deputy National Security Adviser)

    • Hostage
      August 1, 2014, 4:02 pm

      (can someone please tell Israel that one does not kidnap an enemy soldier– it’s called a capture!)

      No can do. That would raise the issue of the de jure applicability of the 3rd Geneva Convention on POWs to both sides. Regev would crawl through broken glass naked to distract attention away from the burning issue of Palestinian POWs. International Humanitarian Law doesn’t allow governments to hold POWs hostage for use as bargaining chips to leverage the growth of their illegal colonies in occupied territory. As I recall, that’s exactly how this current war was instigated.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 4:16 pm

        Thanks. Dry wit is much appreciated.

        Since I woke up to wolf howling, he’s been nearly orgasmic about how much worse this is going to get for the Palestinians, and that Israeli forces are going door- to- door searching for the “kidnapped” officer.

        Door- to- door makes it sound like they are knocking politely or ringing the doorbell and asking ‘is there an Israeli officer here’? Can one imagine what the Palestinians are facing? So far, I’ve heard from Shaath just now that 120 Palestinians have been slaughtered since the broken ‘ceasefire’ and 190 homes destroyed.

  34. Kay24
    August 1, 2014, 8:15 am

    WH spokesperson Tony Blanken, on MSNBC ,is defending Israel in such a robotic way, Israel has the right to defend itself blah blah.

    Notice no one every talks about the safety, rights and concerns, regarding the real victims here, the Palestinian people? It ‘s is all about Israel’s safety and right, and the world knows Israel is taking care of itself quite well with our weapons and the iron dome.

    • just
      August 1, 2014, 9:00 am

      and Kate Bolduan is really letting her bias hang out this morning — her interview with Mansour was pretty darn awful.

      I swear that I think that Israel & the US cooked this ‘ceasefire’ up in order to appear to ‘care’ about Palestinians……..and to have yet another ‘go’ at blaming Hamas.

      • just
        August 1, 2014, 9:13 am

        wolf asks Lerner why the capture of an Israeli soldier is such a powerful ‘motivator’ for Israel.

        Lerner replies that Israel values “life”.

      • Kay24
        August 1, 2014, 10:59 am

        That is one of the biggest jokes in all this. They keep blasting Gaza with deadly bombs into every civilian structure they can think of, resulting in the deaths of at least 1600 civilians, and THEY value life. That is a load of zio sheet.
        I think he means they ONLY value Jewish lives.

        Arabs are being blown apart with absolutely no value.

  35. just
    August 1, 2014, 10:07 am

    “Captured officer reported to be a cousin of Israeli defence minister

    Channel 4 News is reporting that the soldier is from a family of British Jewish immigrants and that it is understood he is a cousin – either second or third – of Israel’s defence minister, Moshe Ya’alon.”

    • Kay24
      August 1, 2014, 11:00 am

      Ah those poor Palestinian people are going to pay for this, in a deadly way.

  36. Peace2All
    August 1, 2014, 10:53 am

    In my opinion U.S. can still pressure israel to stop the carnage instead repeating their support which israel govt is not asking for their loyalty to the Zionist israel . So far Kerry’s role is more of a voice courier rather than a power broker !

  37. Kathleen
    August 1, 2014, 11:37 am

    Good for Erin Burnett. Roy Blunt too. AP’s Matt Lee has been out on the front lines of asking in depth questions for quite some time now. Following in Helen Thomas foot prints.

    Really something how many MSM pundits continue to pledge allegiance to Israel on air. Joe Scarborough, etc “Israel our best friend”

    This morning Chuck Todd was quick to put a name on the Israeli soldier taken prisoner. But no names to the over 1400 Palestinians killed.

    Over and over we hear Israel has the “right to defend themselves.” NEVER are we hearing that Palestinians have the right to defend themselves. No mention that both sides have the right to defend internationally recognized borders and nothing else.

    No one reporting about where the tunnels lead to.

    Persistent effort to draw false equivalencies between Israeli soldiers killed and Palestinian’s that have been killed

    MSNBC, CNN, Washington Journal all still putting up totally inaccurate maps of the West Bank etc up on their outlets.

    All of this effort to falsely report that Israel operating from the “highest standards”

    Kerry “hell of a pinpoint operation”

  38. Citizen
    August 1, 2014, 3:14 pm

    Phil Weiss on Scot Horton show July 30; he thinks there’s signs Americans are waking up to the fact they are funding and diplomatically protecting a rogue nation devoid of US highest values; meanwhile the US Senate just voted more millions to reinforce Iron Kippa & Bibi N’s Big Rock or Big Cliff OP, and Congress also is allowing Israel to raid the $1 B US war material supply located in Israel, even though Israel did not even say they wanted to resupply munitions for their turkey shoot as act of “self-defense.” Just a mere matter of “rotating shell life of shells and mortars.” 100 US senators applaud the massacre of more Palestinian babies, women, geezers. AIPAC bribery is REALLY lethal, eh?

  39. SQ Debris
    August 1, 2014, 3:22 pm

    Erin Burnett has indeed done some actual journalism. It’s astonishing to see such a thing on CNN. Social media is the fire under the seat. So much actual information is slipping through the cracks the MSM can’t ignore it anymore.
    ACTION ITEM: Please, when you see an American “journalist” actually do journalism then get on their comment page and give them kudos. Lay down covering email fire.

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