Relentless bombing on Gaza continues: Israel kills media worker, 9 people watching World Cup on beach

Israel/Palestine
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A Palestinian girl stands in a destroyed building following an Israeli military strike in  Gaza City on July 08, 2014. (Photo: AFP PHOTO / MAHMUD HAMSMAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)

A Palestinian girl stands in a destroyed building following an Israeli military strike in Gaza City on July 08, 2014. (Photo: AFP PHOTO / MAHMUD HAMSMAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)

As the Israeli military’s “Operation Protective Edge” entered its third day, the death toll in Gaza continued to mount.  As of this writing, at least 81 Palestinians have been killed in three days–among them 22 children-and over 550 injured as a result of the air force dropping hundreds of bombs.  A driver for journalists was killed, as were Palestinians watching the World Cup at a beach coffee shop.

Palestinian militant groups continued to fire rockets into Israel, with no casualties inflicted on soldiers or civilians. Since the operation began, at least 59 Israelis have been treated for shock, and 9 for light injuries. The Israeli army also said that a second attack by sea was thwarted.

There are no signs of the operation letting up soon. Israeli Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz hinted that a ground invasion could be on its way. “Despite the fact it will be hard, complicated and costly, we will have to take over Gaza temporarily, for a few weeks, to cut off the strengthening of this terror army,” he told Israel Radio on Tuesday.  The last time a ground invasion occurred was “Operation Cast Lead,” the 2008-09 assault that killed 1,400 Palestinians, the majority of them civilians.

And Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday that he is not “talking to anybody about a cease-fire right now. It’s not even on the agenda.”  The tough words signaling no let-up in the military assault were voiced despite air force officers telling BuzzFeed‘s Sheera Frenkel that they are running out of “primary targets” because Hamas’ leadership has gone underground. Hamas has demanded the fulfillment of a number of conditions for a cease-fire: the reinstatement of the 2012 ceasefire that ended the last military assault; the release of prisoners let go in 2011 in exchange for Gilad Shalit but who have been re-arrested during Israel’s recent West Bank arrest campaign; and an end to Israeli interference in Palestine’s unity government.

Among the most striking events Tuesday were the killings of a driver in a car marked “TV” and of a group of nine people watching the World Cup. The driver, Hamdi Shihab, was killed in an airstrike on the car he drove for the news agency Media 24. During its 2012 military campaign, Israel was harshly criticized by human rights groups for killing Palestinian journalists in Gaza, including those in cars marked “TV.” Human Rights Watch called the killings of two journalists war crimes.

Here’s video of the aftermath of the attack on Shihab published by Watania (via Linah Alsaafin):

And the Washington Post‘s William Booth and Ruth Eglash reported that “nine Palestinians were killed in a strike by an Israeli F-16 while they were watching the World Cup semifinal match between Argentina and the Netherlands at a cafe.”

Also early Wednesday, eight members of one family, including five children, were killed in an airstrike in Khan Younis, Reuters reported.

Meanwhile, the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem condemned an airstrike Tuesday on the al-Kaware home, which killed eight people–six of them children. The army had phoned the home and instructed the civilians to leave. While the Kaware’s listened and temporarily left the residence, they went back to the home after an initial missile struck a water tank. A second airstrike devastated the family, including those who had gathered on the roof. B’Tselem said that the strike was not a legitimate target under international law and stated that “given the military’s sophisticated surveillance equipment, those responsible for the bombing should have known that civilians went back into the building.”

302 Responses

  1. Sumud
    July 10, 2014, 9:54 am

    The UN Security Council is set to meet within the hour (10am US EST) to discuss Israel’s latest bloodbath in Gaza:

    link to reuters.com

    • Justpassingby
      July 10, 2014, 9:57 am

      pathetic, what can we expect? Just more public support for israel by western states?

      Heres a tip: Abbas could meet US within one hour and threat to go to the ICC if obama dont stop this massacres by israel!

      • Majority Viewer
        July 10, 2014, 12:07 pm

        I fully support Western secular culture, over Islamic culture, too. When given the choice between a Westernized country and an unreformed religion, I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.

        Tip: If Abbas “threatens” U.N. “action,” first, laugh at him, then cut their aid, and lastly send Israel some more U.S. arms.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 12:46 pm

        I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.

        Well aren’t you charming. Why bother with advanced and difficult concepts such as people and nations being held responsible for their actions?

        White is Right, right?

        “Western secular culture” did some great work in Europe in the 30s and 40s, look it up cowboy.

      • Majority Viewer
        July 10, 2014, 1:18 pm

        The world is a dialectic place. Conflict is inevitable. When you settle theological/cultural/territorial/resource issues, then you can worry about other minutae. I value, without apology, Western secularism, over Islamic culture.

        As for the racial comment, almost every ethnicity on earth includes Western Secularism, and Islamicism also includes a broad swath of ethnicities. Its not about color; Its about culture, and just as Islamic people consider Islam to be a way of life (specifically submission to a backwards theological fantasy,) I consider Western secularism to be a way of life too.

        I’d have no problem with reformed Islam that removed any taint of 7th century theology from governance or custom.

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 12:50 pm

        “If Abbas “threatens” U.N. “action,” first, laugh at him, then cut their aid’

        Yeah. Send the occupation bill back to Zionism. Very smart.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 3:04 pm

        I’d have no problem with reformed Islam that removed any taint of 7th century theology from governance or custom.

        OFF TOPIC.

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 3:40 pm

        “I’d have no problem with reformed Islam that removed any taint of 7th century theology from governance or custom.”

        Imagine if Israeli Judaism could move as far forward as the 7th century.
        Anyone for Amalek ?

      • lysias
        July 10, 2014, 5:20 pm

        The world is a dialectic place. Conflict is inevitable.

        Mein Kampf (which I recently read straight through) in a nutshell.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:38 pm

        “This world is a dialectic place”

        Can anybody tell me what that means? Unless, of course, the writer is a Bolshevik, in which case it is ungrammatical, but makes some sort of sense.

      • lysias
        July 10, 2014, 5:48 pm

        The world is a dialectic place. Conflict is inevitable.

        “Dialectic” in the Hegelian sense, I believe, Mooser: thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Each of them being an ideology (Weltanschauung, perhaps?) which is in conflict with the others.

      • eljay
        July 10, 2014, 12:54 pm

        >> I fully support Western secular culture … send Israel some more U.S. arms.

        I fully support justice, equality and accountability for all people and in all states.

        Do you support all forms of supremacism, or only Jewish supremacism?

      • Antidote
        July 11, 2014, 1:02 pm

        “I’d have no problem with reformed Islam that removed any taint of 7th century theology from governance or custom.”

        how do you feel about reformed (or unreformed) Judaism. From an interview in Tablet:

        “This came to me in an inspiration one day. I was sitting bored to tears at the bar mitzvah of a son of a friend of mine, and the Haftorah for that day, I forget what the portion is but it’s the complete rules of how to treat Amorites that you might have captured. I was thinking it’s been a long time since we captured any Amorites. But then I realized, what happened here was that the entire middle-upper stratum of the Jewish kingdom is transported to ancient Babylon and they stick them in a suburb and say, “OK, do whatever.” So, you had a leadership with no coercive institutions—no army, no police force—and they made a religious symbol of the law, they ensorcelled the law. And all the Jews would sit and listen to a recitation of the laws of a kingdom that didn’t exist. And that’s still what we do today. We’ve still got to remember how to treat the Amorites. It’s as though somebody took the local zoning ordinances and recited them as a central communal ritual.

        My bar mitzvah parsha was the single longest possible combination of texts—Vayakhel Pekudei, Parshat Ha-Chodesh. It was, like, 250 psukim long, and what made it even more entrancing was the fact that it was the complete set of building instructions from the mishkan. I was literally reading lists of construction materials for a portable sanctuary in the desert aloud to an assembly of American Jewish suburbanites in New Jersey, 3,000 years later.

        That is the ensorcellment of the building code, which has the purpose of creating communal identity and continuity in the absence of a state, which would normally do those things. The Jewish religion has been a terrific religion for a people in exile.

        Israel, in a peculiar way, represents a challenge to that. After the creation of Israel there was a big struggle between the American Jewish leadership and the Israeli leadership, which led Ben Gurion to say, “I’m tired of people from Cleveland telling me what to do!” So, an accommodation was reached. The American Jewish leadership wouldn’t tell Israel what to do. Instead, they would raise money for them and Israel would serve as a symbol, a good symbol, for fundraising. Everybody goes there once a year to check their heritage. But that’s become problematic because the politics of Israel and the politics of America have diverged so sharply. When Israel was a nice little Socialist state that grew oranges and people worked on the kibbutz, there was no problem.”

        Really? It would not occur to me to describe the post-war US as a “nice little Socialist state that grew oranges and people worked on a kibbutz”. Nor would I say that the “Great Satan” today is all that different from the “Little Satan”. Just as post-war Americans could view early Israel as a reflection of their own ‘manifest destiny’ agricultural and colonial past – ignoring racism, ethnic cleansing and genocide – so can Americans today identify with Israelis in either horror, sympathy or admiration, or any mixture thereof. So what is the problem? Why the resentment?

        Here is the interview cited above, in full:

        link to tabletmag.com

      • jimby
        July 10, 2014, 12:57 pm

        @maj view: I no longer think of Israel as a secular country when non orthodox have to travel to marry etc ad infinitum

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 1:04 pm

        Good to know you support Western culture and it’s actions, so what do you think of the Western action (I mean the EU) when they have pushed for boycotting products from the illegal settlements, and also recently when many EU countries warned their citizens not to do business with any illegal settlement companies? I am sure you agree with that too, don’t you?

        “Twelve members of the European Union have published warnings over the past day urging their citizens to refrain from engaging in business, economic activity and investment in settlements or bodies connected to the settlements.

        The announcements stated that the settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Golan Heights are illegal and economic activity on the part of individuals or businesses carries legal and financial risks, as well as risks to their reputations. So far 17 EU nations have published such warnings.

        “Financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements as well as other economic activities (including services like tourism) in Israeli settlements or benefiting Israeli settlements, entail legal and economic risks stemming from the fact that the Israeli settlements, according to international law, are built on occupied land and are not recognized as a legitimate part of Israel’s territory,” said the statement.

        The wave of such warnings came after France, Italy, and Spain published their own warnings a few days ago, joining Germany and Britain, which had already published such warnings a few years ago.

        “Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict impossible,” the statement read. “The EU and its Member States will not recognize any changes to the pre-1967 borders, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties,” it stated.” Haaretz

        As for the religion part, you sound like a Pamela Geller poster.

      • Majority Viewer
        July 10, 2014, 1:27 pm

        The unfortunate tide of cultural-equivalence in Europe has been receding. You’ve, I’m sure, noticed Western-centric parties reasserting themselves politically within the EU.

        As for the UN, it has been, almost from its inception, a bit of an anachronistic joke. Everyone who’s anyone in the world ignores its “laws”, with good reason.

        International law is actually in practice, a mere suggestion, which countries routinely feel free to ignore at their whim; international law would require international consensus- a consensus which would ironically require a uniform culture ( say Western secularism ;)

      • Bumblebye
        July 10, 2014, 2:49 pm

        @Majority Viewer
        “Western-centric parties reasserting themselves politically”
        Like the French Front National, or Hungary’s Jobbik?
        Bit of a fascist are you? No wonder you like what Israel is!

      • talknic
        July 10, 2014, 6:41 pm

        @ Majority Viewer Shows folk how to do drivel 101

        “As for the UN, it has been, almost from its inception, a bit of an anachronistic joke. “

        Is that the same UN that granted us, completely gratis, the territory for a Jewish state?

        The same UN Israel was desperate to join and now enjoys the protection it affords under the auspices of the US UNSC veto vote?

        “Everyone who’s anyone in the world ignores its “laws”, with good reason”

        Care to give a good reason? I’ll wait ……

        “International law is actually in practice, a mere suggestion, which countries routinely feel free to ignore at their whim”

        I see. So what happened when Iraq invaded Kuwait?
        What happened when East Timor regained sovereignty from Indonesia?
        Why doesn’t Israel leave the UN instead of seeking to join MORE of its bodies. Why didn’t Israel refuse when UNRWA provided for Jewish refugees in Israel from 1949 til 1952?

        “international law would require international consensus”

        I wonder why its called “International Law”

      • Donald
        July 10, 2014, 3:56 pm

        “When given the choice between a Westernized country and an unreformed religion, I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.”

        You don’t seem to realize you are contradicting yourself by endorsing a form of morality that any tribalist would recognize. To the extent that any morality is superior to some other type, it would be because dissidents within the that culture stood up for the rights of the Other. So the abolition of slavery was carried out by people willing to criticize the Western culture of the time, which held that slavery was good for the slave, because the slave was from an inferior culture.

        When you make comments like the ones you make in this thread, you’re actually spitting on the people who fought for the civil and human rights of others. You’re spitting on what is supposed to be good about Western secular morality in the name of supporting Western secular morality. Basically, you are on the side of the cultured civilized slaveowner, denouncing the abolitionist for siding with the uncivilized slave. Slavery had a long distinguished pedigree in the West, so by the standards of the time its defenders had a point, if being Western is what is supposed to matter.

        Not that you’re being original. Usually when someone starts praising Western superiority, they’re whitewashing the crimes of the West and not actually carrying forward the legacy of, say, the abolitionist movement.

      • lysias
        July 10, 2014, 5:16 pm

        If international law is merely a suggestion, does that mean that the Nuremberg trials were a miscarriage of justice?

      • dbroncos
        July 11, 2014, 1:46 am

        Excellent points, Donald. I Just finished reading a book about the Civil War battle of Shiloh, 1862. It was the biggest battle up to that point in the war with much bigger ones to come. The conflict lasted just two days and the combined casualties amounted to 23,741 dead or wounded, more casualties at Shiloh than the combined number in all of Americas previous wars – American Revolution, War of 1812 and Mexican American war.

        Maybe Majority Viewer doesn’t think ending slavery or slavery in general was that big a deal.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:12 pm

        I fully support Western secular culture, over Islamic culture, too

        Fine, but Israel is not a Western secular culture, it defines itself as a religious state. It also happens to be an apartheid stats. Neither if which is consistent with western secular culture.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 4:53 pm

        “I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.”

        Excuse me, but how is Israel “Westernized”? Unless, of course, you mean something out of a cowboys-and-Indians movie.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:36 pm

        Gosh, when people say “Westernized”, isn’t that usually a euphemism for “converted to Christianity”. I thought our “Western” values were based on the advanced precepts embodied in Christianity.
        That’s how I’ve always heard it.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 10, 2014, 6:04 pm

        Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

        Wake me up when he white noise has died down.

        Thank you.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 11:21 pm

        When given the choice between a Westernized country and an unreformed religion, I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.

        That’s about as mindless as saying you would support your father every time even if he was pedophile

      • oldgeezer
        July 10, 2014, 9:37 pm

        “I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.”

        Well it’s good you don’t think about the issues. The ethics or morality. You’re a good little bot. Good boy. Now go lie down.

      • DICKERSON3870
        July 11, 2014, 12:27 pm

        RE: “I fully support Western secular culture, over Islamic culture, too. When given the choice between a Westernized country and an unreformed religion . . .” ~ Majority Viewer

        AS TO ISRAEL BEING A “WESTERNIZED” COUNTRY, SEE:
        “A congressional double standard on incitement”, by Matthew Berkman, ForeignPolicy.com, 4/01/11

        [EXCERPTS] . . . But if it is indeed the case that “words matter” . . . then what can explain the senators’ silence on the veritable carnival of hate and racist incitement against Arabs and Palestinians that has lately engulfed Israeli society?
        Anyone who reads Israel’s press these days will find it difficult to do so without chancing upon yet another outrageous example of such incitement. Be it the declaration of Rabbi Dov Lior, a senior authority on Jewish law in the Religious Zionism movement, that the offspring of non-Jews possess “genetic traits” of “cruelty and barbarism”; or an open letter signed by dozens of Israel’s municipal chief rabbis calling on Jews “to refrain from renting or selling apartments to non-Jews”; or the wives of those state-sponsored rabbis urging Jewish girls not to date, work with, or perform national service in the company of Arabs; or even news of the publication of “The King’s Torah,” a theological text widely endorsed by settler rabbis that authorizes the killing of non-Jewish children and babies, since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.”
        Could it be that the senators who so rightfully condemn the glorification of violence when it issues from an obscure Palestinian official are simply unaware of the multiple proclamations of such a prominent figure as Ovadia Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas party (a member of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s governing coalition) and a former Chief Rabbi of Israel’s Sephardi Jewish community? “It is forbidden to be merciful to [Arabs],” Yosef was quoted as saying in 2001, “You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.” More recently, Yosef sermonized that “Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas] and all these evil people should perish from this world.” “God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,” he said. . .
        . . . Not surprisingly, this rising tide of racism in Israeli society has translated into both discriminatory legislation directed against Israel’s Arab citizens and into violent hate crimes which, while not as gruesome as the massacre in Itamar, are more pervasive, bordering on quotidian.
        As the New York Times reported last week, a law passed by Israel’s Knesset on March 23 allows “that communities with 400 or fewer families [in the Negev and Galilee, areas with large Arab populations] may set up committees to screen potential residents for whether they fit in socially” – a statute intended to legitimize the barring of Israeli Arabs from Jewish villages. . . Yet another law, passed during the same legislative session, imposes financial penalties on state-subsidized organizations that would publicly mourn the losses incurred by Palestinians during Israel’s 1948 war of independence. This flurry of anti-democratic legislation follows the successful attempt last year by Israel’s foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman (who supports a form of ethnic population transfer), to establish a “loyalty oath” requiring non-Jews seeking Israeli citizenship to pledge allegiance to the “Jewishness” of the state.
        Such legislation promotes the sense among Jewish Israelis that Arab citizens of Israel present a threat to the body politic, and to the physical security of Jews. It is therefore no coincidence that Israel has recently witnessed a spate of violent attacks on its Arab population. According to the Israeli news website Ynet, a gang of seven Israeli youth, including a fourteen-year old girl, were arrested in December for reportedly “luring” young Arab men to Jerusalem’s Independence Park, where the Arabs were “brutally attacked by the teens with stones, glass bottles and tear gas.” Earlier this week, four Palestinian laborers were assaulted in the middle of the night by police after being falsely accused of raping an 11-year-old boy (the boy later admitted he had fabricated the story). “The police treated us like dogs, not like human beings,” one of the Palestinians told Israeli Army Radio in an interview on Thursday. . .

        SOURCE – link to mideastafrica.foreignpolicy.com

      • DICKERSON3870
        July 11, 2014, 12:43 pm

        P.S. ALSO AS TO ISRAEL BEING A “WESTERNIZED”/”SECULAR” COUNTRY, SEE: “Outrage in Gaza Redux”, By Rabbi Brant Rosen, 11/16/12

        . . . Israel’s military assault on Gaza in 2008-09 represented an important turning point in my own relationship with Israel. I recall experiencing a new and previously unfamiliar feeling of anguish as Israel bombarded the people living in that tiny, besieged strip of land over and over, day after day after day. While I certainly felt a sense of tribal loyalty to the Israelis who withstood Qassam rocket fire from Gaza, I felt a newfound sense of concern and solidarity with Gazans who I believed were experiencing nothing short of oppression during this massive military onslaught.
        And now it’s happening again. Only this time I don’t think the term “anguish” quite fits my mindset. Now it’s something much closer to rage.
        It’s happening again. Once again 1.7 million people, mostly refugees, who have been living in what amounts to the world’s largest open air prison, are being subjected to a massive military assault at the hands of the world’s most militarized nation, using mostly US-made weapons. And our President is not only looking on – he is defending Israel’s onslaught by saying it has a right to “self-defense in light of the barrage of rocket attacks being launched from Gaza against Israeli civilians.”
        Let’s be clear: this tragedy didn’t start with the Qassams. It didn’t start with the election of Hamas. And it didn’t start with the “instability” that followed Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza.
        No, this is just the latest chapter of a much longer saga that began in 1947-48, when scores of Palestinians were ethnically cleansed
        from their cities and villages in the coastal plain and lower Galilee and warehoused in a tiny strip of land on the edge of the Mediterranean. . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to rabbibrant.com

      • DICKERSON3870
        July 11, 2014, 12:46 pm

        P.P.S. ALSO AS TO ISRAEL BEING A “WESTERNIZED”/”SECULAR” COUNTRY, SEE:
        “‘You are fighting a religious war against gentiles': What rabbis told Israeli soldiers in Gaza war”, By Mail Foreign Service, The Daily Mail, 3/20/09

        Rabbis in the Israeli army told battlefield troops in January’s Gaza offensive that they were fighting a ‘religious war’ against gentiles, it has been revealed.
        An army commander wrote of the shocking command in an Israeli newspaper today – one day after it emerged that Israeli soldiers were told they could kill innocent civilians during the war.

        ‘Their message was very clear: we are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land,’ the commander said.
        The account by Ram, a pseudonym to shield the soldier’s identity, was published by the left-leaning Haaretz newspaper in the second day of revelations that have rocked the Israeli military.
        They were leaked from a February 13 meeting of armed forces members to share their Gaza experiences.

        Some veterans, alumni of an Israel Defence Force (IDF) military academy, told of the killing of civilians and their impression that deep contempt for Palestinians pervaded the ranks of the Israeli forces.
        The institution’s director, Danny Zamir, confirmed that Thursday’s published accounts were authentic.
        In longer excerpts in its Friday ‘Week’s End’ edition, the daily quoted ‘Ram’ as saying his impression of the 22-day operation was ‘the feeling of an almost religious mission’. . .
        . . . the rabbinate’s message imparted to many soldiers the sense that “this operation was a religious war”.

        A squad commander from Ram’s Givat Brigade, named as Aviv, recounted his misgivings about orders to break down doors with armoured vehicles and shoot anyone inside, floor by floor. In the event, the order was amended to include ‘operating megaphones’ so advancing troops could tell people they had five minutes to get out or be killed.
        Aviv said ‘there was a very annoying moment’ when he briefed his men and one challenged that order, saying: ‘Yeah? Anyone who is in there is a terrorist, that’s a known fact. . .
        ‘And then his buddies join in: “We need to murder any person who’s in there, yeah, any person who’s in Gaza is a terrorist’ and all the other things that they stuff our heads with, in the media,’ Aviv said. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to dailymail.co.uk

      • DICKERSON3870
        July 11, 2014, 12:54 pm

        P.P.P.S. FINALLY, AS TO ISRAEL BEING A “WESTERNIZED”/”SECULAR” COUNTRY, SEE: “Rabbi Aviner: Women must not wear pants even when alone”, by Neta Sela, Ynet News, 05/02/08
        One of Religious Zionism’s most prominent leaders defines trousers as a ‘self-prohibition,’ says women ‘must dress modestly also when alone and in the dark’

        [EXCERPT] Women must not wear pants even when they are home alone, Rabbi Shlomi Aviner has ruled.  Aviner, Beit El’s rabbi and one of Religious Zionism’s most prominent leaders, was asked in a cellular Q&A session published in the “Small World” bulletin, “When a girl goes to relieve herself at night, is she allowed to say the ‘Asher Yatzar’ (‘he who formed’) prayer while wearing a short-sleeved shirt and trousers?”  The rabbi replied that it is permitted to say the prayer in such a case, but added that “in general, a woman must always wear modest clothes even when she is alone and in the dark, because the Holy one blessed be he is everywhere. And yes, trousers are a self-prohibition even when a woman is alone.” . . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to ynet.co.il

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:03 pm

        Here’s another.

        He could dissolve the PA and cease all security cooperation in the WB .

    • Kay24
      July 10, 2014, 10:19 am

      I am sure we can predict almost a hundred percent, what the outcome of that will be.
      I would like to be wrong just for once, in fact I will welcome it in this instance, but we have seen and heard many such discussion before to no avail.
      Whatever resolutions come up against Israel, will be shot down by the US immediately or vetoed. What else is new?

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 11:42 am

        I guess these headlines from Haaretz explains it all:

        “Israel, U.S. try to ward off UN condemnations of Gaza air strikes
        The Security Council is meeting to consider whether to condemn Israel amid the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

        Jerusalem and Washington are trying to prevent the UN Security Council from condemning Israel’s air offensive in the Gaza Strip, in which dozens of Palestinian civilians have been killed, Israeli diplomats said Thursday. The Security Council is due to meet at 10 A.M. New York time to discuss the fighting between Israel and Hamas.”

        US scrambling to make it right for poor li’l victim, Israel.
        Nothing says love like the US protecting Israel at the UN.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:16 pm

        Isn’t it sickening how Washington is the only state fully supporting the bloodbaths in Eastern Ukraine and Gaza?

        The US has never been more isolated and weaker. This is going to blow up in the face bug time.

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 4:30 pm

        I hate that use of “Jerusalem” to indicate Zionism. East Jerusalem would love the UN to get the finger out.

    • just
      July 10, 2014, 10:36 am

      You can watch it here:

      link to webtv.un.org

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 11:59 am

        Thanks for the link just.

    • seafoid
      July 10, 2014, 10:57 am

      link to haaretz.com

      “At the session, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is expected to describe the situation in Gaza and detail his contacts with both sides. Ban spoke by phone Wednesday to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. At the Security Council, Ban’s comments are expected to be followed by statements by the Israeli and Palestinian UN ambassadors.
      After the open discussion, the delegates of the council’s 15 members will convene for a closed meeting to consider whether to release a statement. Israeli diplomats say the United States is working with the council’s members, particularly Jordan, to ensure that the panel does not condemn Israel. Jordan represents the Arab countries in the Security Council.
      The Prime Minister’s Office and Foreign Ministry are working to prevent a condemnation as well; they hope to receive expressions of support instead. Over the past two days, Netanyahu has spoken with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Francois Hollande and British Prime Minister David Cameron, asking for their backing at the Security Council.
      Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has spoken to Rwanda’s foreign minister and foreign ministers of the other countries on the council. Lieberman has also sent a letter to the foreign ministers of all countries with which Israel has diplomatic ties. ”

      They can’t even say they are working on the peace process now. Why would anyone support them ?

  2. Kay24
    July 10, 2014, 9:56 am

    That would teach those Palestinian families not to mess with Israel. They should be trembling at the mere thought of Israel unleashing their might on them. After all, it is their fault that those rockets keep raining on their occupier, and if they have no bomb shelters, or protection from Israel mighty weapons, that is their fault too. They should realize that Israeli forces are brave baby killers, and will not stop to punish those Hamas sympathizers, and will send those precision bombs into every civilian home they suspect of making even a phone call to any Hamas members. There is no need for proof, if Israel says there are Hamas connections, the world is expected to take their word for it. So unarmed men, women, and children including babies, beware, the mighty Israel is showing the world just how great their IDF is, how wonderfully their Israeli and US made weapons work, and remember to take your occupation without protest, nor retaliation. Israel is ready to decimate Gaza again, time to flex it’s muscles and get rid of some Palestinians. After all, Israeli lives are far more precious than Palestinian Arabs, and only Israel is entitled to defend their people. Perhaps that is why you have lost so many lives, hundreds are wounded, while they have lost none.
    Israel is enjoying being the brutal occupier, and let no one the world spoil it for them.
    After all they are eternal victims and are entitled to it.

    • Sumud
      July 10, 2014, 10:06 am

      I know you’re being sarcastic but Naftali Bennett basically agrees with you: he says civilian deaths in Gaza are Hamas’ fault, not Israel.

      link to israelnationalnews.com

      Let’s all now have a two-minute hate on those despicable jews responsible for the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It’s their fault the nazis killed everyone, they had no choice!

      If only those selfish jews loved their children as much as they hated Germans.

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 10:16 am

        Yes indeed, it one way of expressing my anger at what Israel does, and gets away, and frustration to think the US, the lame media, and everyone who is brainwashed into thinking they are protecting Israel, keeps being enablers to this massacre, by providing weapons, aid, and giving it protection in the media.
        Blaming it’s victims is not new Samud, if they could blame the babies they kill, they would have done it by now. All Palestinian children are little terrorists, and those inefficient Israeli armed forces sure mess up, by many “accidental” killings, as if they cannot aim straight, so inefficient. They have so many sophisticated weapons that they turn on unarmed civilians so often and easily, and yet whine that stones are thrown at them, which results in snipers taking pot shots at innocent kids walking by. Brutal monsters.
        Good point about the selfish Jews and being at fault for nazis killing nearing every one. Reverse the situation, and they will not like it at all.

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 10:48 am

        Yeah, they didn’t care about their children. And they were so poor and filthy they probably would have made the IDF soldiers sick.

      • Majority Viewer
        July 10, 2014, 12:27 pm

        You know, I’m struggling to find the references for the Jewish use of unguided rockets against German civilians, or their use of suicide bombers.

        BTW, gratz on the Godwin Law trigger. Never underestimate the false equivalence of supporters of the likes of Hamas.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 3:29 pm

        It’s called “blaming the victim”.

        You clearly do not understand Godwin’s Law.

        The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist’s fallacy.

        While falling foul of Godwin’s law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

        Never underestimate the false equivalence of supporters of the likes of Hamas.

        Boring troll.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:22 pm

        Never underestimate the false equivalence of supporters of the likes of Hamas.

        Israel has already murdered more civilians in the last 48 hours than Hamas has in a decade, but let’s ignore that and keep pretending that in some perverted reality, Israel is morally superior.

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 5:09 pm

        Defending the indefensible makes one boring. How can any supporter of baby killers try to defend them? They resort to making inane remarks, and try to deflect from the facts.
        Who here will be convinced that Israel is the victim? Despite the false claim that Israel “tries” to avoid civilian casualties, the death toll is high – more than 80 Palestinians, including many women and children, and over 500 injured. It must be hard to make the argument that those hundred of rockets are causing damage, because so far none have killed a single Israeli.
        All we see are Israeli homes still standing with holes in it, and vast areas of homes on the other side shattered into the ground. F16’s and precision bombs versus rockets that go awry, anyone with half a brain will know which ones are the deadliest. The casualties tell the true story.

      • Giles
        July 10, 2014, 4:14 pm

        I am struggling to find how anyone can support a bunch of white people moving into Arab lands and then systemically removing those Arabs from their homes via a mixture of violence and oppression.

        So Majority Viewer is telling us the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto had no right to use violence against the Nazis? Or maybe just no right to use rockets and suicide bombers?

        Or maybe he is just saying he will support Israel no matter how low they sink?

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 8:10 pm

        Israel has gone down to the sewer and he still supports it.

      • Nite_Owl
        July 10, 2014, 11:56 pm

        If the US only supplied the Palestinians with 4 billion in weapons every year plus full access to NSA, CIA and military intelligence data I’d be willing to bet those pesky basement rockets and suicide bombers would disappear overnight. Problem is it would lead to Israel’s worst nightmare. A fair fight with the Palestinians. That’s why even nonviolent means of protesting the occupation like BDS are feared and described as just another anti-semitic blood libel perpetrated by Jew haters including the self hating variety.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 4:56 pm

        The Zionists had no qualms about shelling civilians in Palestine to attain their ends. BTW, it’s the British Colonial Office which reports this (among many others)

        You know, I think Phil Weiss’ comment “I only passed that comment through moderation to show….” might have to be emblazoned across the top of each comment thread. for a while.
        It’d be fun. I bet it wouldn’t slow down the MajorityDoubleStandardsViewer crowd a bit.

      • MHughes976
        July 10, 2014, 5:23 pm

        About ‘trying to avoid’ – no one can be making attempts to ensure that something does not happen when that something is a certain outcome of an intentional activity on that person’s part. ‘Trying to keep within limits’ perhaps, but then the limits set have to be reasonable and likelihood of staying within them fairly high. ‘Reasonable limits’ are part of the idea of ‘proportionate response’ which our Zionist contributors tend to disparage.

      • lysias
        July 10, 2014, 5:40 pm

        If memory serves, Saul Friedlander writes in Nazi Germany and the Jews that a terrorist bombing by a Jew in the Lustgarten in Berlin in May 1942 played a major role in the Nazis’ decision to expel the remaining Jews from Berlin and Germany.

  3. amigo
    July 10, 2014, 9:59 am

    So nietanyahu is now an official “War” criminal and he joins a long list of zionist leaders who have earned that dubious title.

    Now is the time for Abbas to get off his ass and go to the ICC and do what he should have done long ago.Just because you don,t like the Courts Abbas does not let you off your responsibility to your people.

    Do it now or Israel will just keep murdering innocent people and they are paying no price for their crimes against humanity.They are not that chosen that they can get away with these murderous acts.

    • Kay24
      July 10, 2014, 5:13 pm

      Netanyahu is the biggest war monger in that region. He thrives on waging war (might be to impress his right wingers), and I just saw him with his angry war monger face on, and blame Hamas for the casualties Israel has inflicted on the Palestinian people. He mentioned that Hamas is among the population, in civilian structures, as if justifying why so many had died. I wonder if dear Bibi would be okay if Hamas had the same weapons as they have, and deliberately shot into Israeli homes, where the IDF were, or would THAT be a war crime?

  4. eGuard
    July 10, 2014, 10:05 am

    What do all the “liberal Zionists” say these days? Mostly nothing. Expect them to come out the weekend earliest, saying “One week of bombing is enough. Forty children at max, no more. I’m a Liberal Zionist”.

    Early riser is Jerry Haber/Charles Manekin. First it’s time to blame Hamas for hiding: “while they are safe underground, the Gazans are suffering and dying”. Where did he pull this from?

    And after a dozen “We didn’t have to …” observations (talk is cheap these days), he finds a reason to cry. So for him all’s well that ends well: “[here in Jerusalem, a] siren half an hour ago sent our two grandchildren, who came to us for safety from Tel Aviv, to the reinforced room. Maybe tomorrow we’ll stay with my daughter in the South. ”

    Jeremy, indeed. You didn’t have to. #13.
    http://www.jeremiahhaber.com

  5. NoMoreIsrael
    July 10, 2014, 10:14 am

    Should the world be allowed to exist or should Israel be allowed to exist?

    That is what it comes down to because these psychopaths have nuclear weapons and they are GOING to use them sooner or later.

  6. Walid
    July 10, 2014, 10:41 am

    Feiglin asked the Israeli government to arm all the settlers.

    The best thing that could happen to Gaza now is to be invaded.

    Gatestone reported that missiles were fired on the settlements from the West Bank. Looks like the start of something new.:

    • Walid
      July 10, 2014, 11:01 am

      The article from the pro-Israel Gatestone:

      “Moderate” Fatah Also Firing Rockets
      by Khaled Abu Toameh • July 9, 2014 at 5:00 am

      Fatah has several hundred militiamen in the Gaza Strip, some of whom are members of the Palestinian Authority security forces, who continue to receive their salaries from Western governments.

      At least two Fatah armed groups announced that they had started firing rockets at the “settlements” of Ashkelon and Sderot, cities inside the pre-1967 borders of Israel, with another Fatah group claiming responsibility for firing 35 rockets into Israel since Sunday.

      So far as Abbas is concerned, “it all started when Israel fired back” in response to hundred of rockets fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip during the last few days. He seems concerned that if the world hears about the role of Fatah in the rocket attacks, the news will affect Western financial aid to the Palestinian Authority, which dominated by Fatah.

      Palestinian Authority President and Fatah head Mahmoud Abbas on Monday called for an “immediate cessation” of Israeli air strikes on the Gaza Strip.

      But Abbas stopped short of calling for an end to rocket attacks on Israel, an omission of what triggered the current round of fighting.

      Instead of calling on his partners in the “national consensus” government — Hamas — to stop their rocket attacks on Israel, Abbas appealed to the international community to “intervene” to stop the Israeli “escalation.”

      So as far as Abbas is concerned, “it all started when Israel fired back” in response to hundreds of rockets that were fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip during the past few days.

      Why did Abbas refrain from condemning or calling for an end to the rocket attacks?

      First, Abbas does not want to anger Hamas by issuing a condemnation of its rocket attacks. Such a condemnation would certainly lead to the collapse of the “reconciliation accord” that his Fatah faction signed with the Islamist movement last April.

      Second, condemning Hamas would be seen as an admission that the “national consensus” government bears responsibility for the firing of rockets from the Gaza Strip. After all, this is a Fatah-Hamas government, although its ministers are described as “independent technocrats.”

      Third, Abbas is fully aware that the Palestinian public would not accept such a condemnation, especially in the wake of increased tensions with Israel in the aftermath of the kidnapping and murder of the Jerusalem teenager, Mohamed Abu Khdeir.

      Abbas is already facing a smear campaign waged by many Palestinians for condemning the abduction and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank last month.

      Photos depicting the embattled Abbas as a “Jewish rabbi” and “settler” have been circulating on social media over the past few weeks.

      Several senior Fatah officials have also joined the anti-Abbas campaign, some openly calling for his removal from power for denouncing the murder of the three Israeli youths and saying he would pursue security coordination with Israel.

      Fourth, Abbas is not willing to condemn the rocket attacks because his own Fatah loyalists in the Gaza Strip are also participating in the fighting against Israel.

      Fatah has several hundred militiamen in the Gaza Strip who belong to various armed groups. Some, according to sources in the Gaza Strip, are former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces, who continue to receive their salaries from the Western-funded Palestinian government in Ramallah.

      Shortly after Israel launched air strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Monday, Fatah spokesman Fayez Abu Aitah issued an urgent call to his men to take part in “defending the Gaza Strip against Israeli aggression.”

      Echoing the Fatah argument that “it all started when Israel fired back,” the spokesman accused Israel of “violating international laws” by targeting terrorists in the Gaza Strip.

      Abu Aitah’s call for joining the fight against Israel did not fall on deaf ears. Within minutes, at least two Fatah armed groups announced that they had started firing rockets at the “settlements” of Ashkelon and Sderot, cities inside the pre-1967 borders of Israel.

      One group, called Jaish al-Karamah [Army of Dignity], published a statement entitled, “Gone are the Days of Defeat; Victory is Close.”

      The group even admitted that one of its “rocket units” had narrowly escaped an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip.

      Another Fatah group, called “Brigades of Martyr Abdel Qader Husseini – Armed Wing of Fatah,” also took credit for firing two rockets at Israeli towns and cities.

      A third Fatah group, called Jaish al-Asifah [Army of the Storm], distributed leaflets in which its members claimed responsibility for launching 35 rockets at Israel since Sunday night.

      The Fatah militiamen in the Gaza Strip were also acting at the request of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, who called on all Palestinian groups in the Gaza Strip to close ranks in order to fight against the Israeli enemy.

      The involvement of Fatah in the rocket attacks against Israel shows that the “reconciliation” pact with Hamas is much more than a political partnership. Obviously, Hamas and Fatah militiamen are working together on the ground to carry out attacks against Israel.

      What is happening in the Gaza Strip these days is not just another confrontation between Israel and Hamas. It is a confrontation between Israel on the one hand and Hamas and several armed groups, including Fatah, on the other hand.

      That is why Abbas finds it difficult to condemn the rocket attacks on Israel. Such a move would put him on a collision course not only with Hamas, but also with Fatah, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Movement and at least 10 other jihadi cells operating in the Gaza Strip.

      Moreover, Abbas seems to be concerned that if the world hears about the role of Fatah in the rocket attacks, the news will affect Western financial aid to his Palestinian Authority, dominated by Fatah.

      link to gatestoneinstitute.org

  7. seafoid
    July 10, 2014, 10:46 am

    Dershowitz and his fellow travelers share responsibility with the Zionist leadership and the IDF for the Israeli contempt for Gaza civilian life with their insane notion that dozens of Gazans are somehow not as important as 3 Jewish teenagers.

    Where are the Jewish lawyers who escorted Mrs Frankel to the UN ?

    It’s the same as in 2008. Jewish power unleashed and nobody can stop it. And the Israeli media diligently does its job

    link to lrb.co.uk

    “A society in crisis forges a new vocabulary for itself,’ David Grossman wrote in The Yellow Wind, ‘and gradually, a new language emerges whose words . . . no longer describe reality, but attempt, instead, to conceal it.’ ”

    link to nybooks.com

  8. iResistDe4iAm
    July 10, 2014, 10:47 am

    If Israel has state-of-the-art “precision weapons” and can kill a man on a moving motorbike, why did it obliterate 8 Palestinians from one family (including 5 children) while they slept in their home in Khan Younis?

    Israel abolished the death penalty in 1954 and put a Nazi war criminal on trial, but uses warplanes or death squads to summarily execute thousands of Palestinians (including women and children) WITHOUT charge or trial.

    The victims of Gaza: A list of Palestinians killed in Israel’s ongoing assault
    Updated July 10, 4:18 pm: The Gaza health ministry has confirmed the deaths of 82 Palestinians so far in the besieged strip since Israel began its relentless assault early Tuesday.
    link to english.al-akhbar.com

  9. Kathleen
    July 10, 2014, 10:55 am

    Netanyahu and his bloody team are war criminals. When will we witness them on trial?

    Aaron David Miller everywhere on the MSM spinning the Israeli perspective with a softball strategy.

    Prof Cole has must reads up over at Informed Comment.

    This morning on the BBC’s World Service they focused on Israel giving Palestinians warnings to evacuate before they bomb the life out of them. Evacuate to where? Under the pile of rubble next to Palestinians homes? Evacuate to where?

    • Kay24
      July 10, 2014, 12:08 pm

      This is what gets to me, they have made cozy bomb shelters for their people, but where the hell do they expect the poor Palestinian civilians to find cover? Such unbelievable arrogance.

      Next time we hear of someone in their neighborhood stating that Israel should not exist, THIS could be the reason why – they treat every other civilian around them, like dirt, and expect them to be sitting ducks when they relentlessly bombard them.
      All other lives are cheap.

      • Pixel
        July 11, 2014, 12:13 am

        “… where the hell do they expect the poor Palestinian civilians to find cover? …”

        They don’t. Short-term or long-term the goal is extermination.

        There, I’ve said it.

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 5:51 am

        Short-term or long-term the goal is extermination.

        There, I’ve said it.

        I’m not sure if I agree but I think I could say without hesitation that the overall goals is genocide.

        I’m making a distinction between genocidal and extermination, because I don’t think zionism has the explicit goal of killing all Palestinians, but they do want and intend to destroy the Palestinian people.

        They seek to deny Palestinians their land, property, heritage and most of all their identity. Once their identity is erased Palestinians can settle elsewhere and forget all about the Nakba and their stolen lives and land.

        Well they underestimated Palestinian sumud and now with the settlements Israel has painted itself into a corner, the only exit available being one-state with a Palestinian majority. Oops.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:24 am

        Of course, they are doing what one of their leaders supposed to have said, they are getting rid of Arabs from the Galilee. Actions speak louder than words. Terror, intimidation, assassination, cutting of social services, all part of that plan.
        We have paid and supported this cancer.

  10. gingershot
    July 10, 2014, 11:27 am

    Rep Jane Harman** has, as the saying, goes, just ROYALLY ‘discomfited the pooch’ – Tel Aviv Jane just ANNOUNCED the Israeli Civil War to America

    Apartheid Israel is LOST, as is it’s Israeli Lobby itself (including ‘Tel Aviv Jane’) which has so increasingly desperately tried to support it over all these last months and years

    Tel Aviv Jane just ANNOUNCED the Israeli Civil War to America…. on Morning Joe no less, to an ASTONISHED Mika Brzezinski (Mika gasped, ‘we’re shocked, shocked, to learn that gambling has been going on in here, and I KNOW I speak for all the Pro-Apartheid Starbucks ‘cast’ of Morning Joe’)

    Thank you so much Jane! Please proceed….

    Sayanim Jane Harman** on ‘Morining Joe July 10th, 2014:

    Quote unquote:
    “WE CAN’T PICK SIDES BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL RIGHT THIS MINUTE – that will not be helpful – that could backfire big-time”

    GASP!!! GASP!!! GASP!!! WHAT!!! WHAT!!! WHAT!!!

    Ahem! Allow me to parse..

    Sayanim Jane Harman** on ‘Morining Joe July 10th, 2014:
    Quote unquote:
    ‘we can’t pick sides between Israel and Hamas right this minute (BECAUSE THAT WILL SUPPORT LIEBERMAN/BENNETT and their ‘HILLTOP IDF” or ‘SETTLER IDF in the ISRAELI CIVIL WAR now raging in Israel) – that will not be helpful – that could backfire [international forces, including the US, taking outthe ‘Settler IDF’ post-Netanyahu’s imminent collapse) big-time’

    Sayanim Jane Harman**[CHECKMATE] has SUNK the chances of the American Jewish Diaspora EVER getting away with their full throated complicity (and Soprano-like AIPAC-tactics of intimidation) to FORCE American collusion and compliance with Apartheid Israel or face the well known Dershowitz-esque Character Destruction by being smeared as an Anti-semite for ‘displeasing Jews’

    Sayanim-Peter Beinart, in his CLASSIC ‘Burn Notice #2 to the Diaspora’ – to f/u ‘Burn Notice #1 to the Diaspora’ (the NYTimes Staff Editorial of 3.6.14 ‘Israel’s Choice’) says it all – ‘We will NEVER be the same, as Jews’

    [Memo to Pete: Thanks SO for your one last trick on the 'Non-Diaspora', Peter, publishing it in Haaretz (an Israeli paper where the goy wouldn't see it too quickly) so your friends can desperately try to get a leg up on EVERYBODY ELSE.... couldn't resist, could you, you little 'helper of Israel'? ]

    The Third Intifada ends at the ICC – with Apartheid Israel condemned for the crime against humanity of Apartheid

    ‘The Charge of the Apartheid Israeli Brigade’ – one last infamous ride of the Bibi astride Israeli military STRAIGHT into the waiting hostile MAW of the ICC – which already has DOZENS of complaints against Apartheid Israel and is GEARING UP now that Abbas has charged Mad King Bibi and the Apartheid Israelites with GENOCIDE as well as that fully internationally recognized crime against humanity, Apartheid

    ‘The Santa Fe Rebellion’ – America Free of the Israeli Lobby: The 2nd American Revolution.

    Second National Meetings – July 12th Santa Fe Community College, Santa Fe NM

    =======
    The 2nd American Revolution-TACTICS:

    Force AIPAC to be registered as the agent of a foreign country (like all other lobbies of all other foreign nations) – then bring the FBI prosecutions against
    **AIPAC President Larry Rosen and Weissman forward, then make AIPAC illegal when the prosecutions (ONCE AGAIN) show Rosen and Weissman’s proven espionage against the US.

    * *Including federal prosecution of Rep Jane Harman, caught on FBI wiretap conspiring with an Israeli intelligence agent (Mossad) to derail the criminal prosecution of AIPAC above, for Israel, in addition to conspiring with Mossad for the House Intelligence Chairmanship. AND NEVER YET PROSECUTED

    • Kay24
      July 10, 2014, 12:17 pm

      Ah that sneaky Jane Harmon. Here are more details about that infamous phone call when she was wiretapped. Harmon is yet another Israeli firster, who will go against her own nation, to even go lenient on Israeli spies, to show the love to Israel.
      Why the heck the media seems to think she will give an unbiased spin of this situation, is a mystery to me.
      “Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

      Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

      In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

      Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”

      More?

      link to salon.com

      • Daniel Rich
        July 10, 2014, 8:03 pm

        @ Kay24,

        Q: Harmon is yet another Israeli firster, who will go against her own nation..

        R: She doesn’t go against Israel [her 1st and own nation], does she?

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:25 am

        No she certainly does not.:))

    • Daniel Rich
      July 11, 2014, 1:15 am

      @ gingershot,

      Here’s some more sloppy journalism:

      “Hamas has decided to perpetrate a third Intifada after the Israeli Defense Force conducted an extensive house-to-house search in Hebron, to find three Israeli teens that they kidnapped and murdered

      Raised to iconic levels, throwing baseball-sized rocks at Israelis is a national sport for Palestinians….>.” LINK

  11. American
    July 10, 2014, 11:38 am

    White House public comment line number and email

    link to whitehouse.gov

    I wont repeat what I said on the comment line—I’ll just wait to see if they target my house with a drone for being a anti Israel terrier.

  12. Kris
    July 10, 2014, 11:43 am

    Israel knows that the best defense is a good offense. Embarrassed by the highlighting of Israeli racism and brutality with the torture-murder of one Palestinian boy, and then the beating of his Palestinian-American cousin, Israel takes the opportunity to change the subject.

    Somehow, killing many Palestinians at a time is given a pass by the media, while killing them one by one is frowned upon.

    • BillM
      July 10, 2014, 11:57 am

      It is disturbing to see how stunningly successful the Israeli attack has been in changing the media narrative. This was the first goal of the war, and it has already been acheived. Hamas’ weakness is now drawing Israel into expanding its goals.

      It’s hard to say which media outlet is currently winning the prize for most subservient to Israel. NPR made a good play this morning, with Ari Shapiro claiming Israel would trade “calm for calm,” despite both Netanyahu and Lapid having said the precise opposite.

      I think BBC might win it here, though:

      link to bbc.com

      The article is titled “What weapons are being used in the Israel-Gaza conflict.” It includes 15 paragraphs on Hamas’ little artillery rockets, and exactly ONE paragraph on Israeli bombing.

      • MHughes976
        July 10, 2014, 1:34 pm

        Not sure it was that bad – seemed to be saying that despite the puny nature of the military resources of Gaza ‘the Israeli military’ was not certain to have everything its own way. I suppose there is bias in the contrast between a regular army and an irregular militia, people seeming to think that the former is always morally superior, but we’re used to that, I suppose.

      • Bumblebye
        July 10, 2014, 2:01 pm

        Complaint sent.

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 8:12 pm

        I read that, and it was unbelievable to me. This is a so called credible news corporation, and it is screaming bias.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 10, 2014, 8:15 pm

        @ BillM,

        I love the ‘enemy artillery’ bit.

        Those rows of 155mm Palestinian howitzers must be difficult to target and all those Palestinian fighter jets hard to track.

      • ziusudra
        July 11, 2014, 6:27 am

        Greeings BillM,
        Here in Germany, they set up an impromptu on TV showing both sides of de coin of the momentary Situation in Gaza.
        After the Station set the Scene of a clash in Gaza, they bring on Ari Privor, a former Israeli Amb. to Germany, yes, he speaks German. A very soft spoken Man, constantly smiling that well, what were we supposed to do? No, never again attitude. Well, he digressed on the weakness of Hamas. The disatisfaction of the Gazans against them. How all allies of Hamas are disappointed in their warlike attitude, yiddle by yiddle & on & on.
        Now enter the Gazan Candidate. There wasn’t any!
        Ukraine ? Same Show, only a US or Euro Candidate.
        This is News here.
        ziusudra

  13. NoMoreIsrael
    July 10, 2014, 11:54 am

    Today, Germany is a thriving, economically healthy, culturally diverse nation, where people, for the most part, get along. But Germany had to go through a process in which its vile leadership was torn out by the roots and executed and its weapons were taken away. Until Israel undergoes a similar process, I see no prospects for an end to their reign of terror, which will most likely culminate in a nuclear war.

    • Kay24
      July 10, 2014, 12:22 pm

      To your point, the madness we see can be described thus:

      “”Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”.

      Out of the madness of nazism, came the lunacy of zionism.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:17 pm

        “Out of the madness of nazism, came the lunacy of zionism.”

        Yes, I agree. After all, what better time to form a state then when you are battered, persecuted to madness, and even possible extinction, and oh, even apart from that, BTW, haven’t even attempted to reconcile your religion with modern times, or even the various branches and competing denominations with each other. And have no central administration or authority, or even lines of communication. And of course, doing it in a place you have no real right to do that helps, too. Under those conditions, how could anybody make a mistake, or fail to comprehend implications and consequences?
        And just for grins and giggles, make sure everything you do involves things (like killing and ethnic cleansing) which are pretty much irrevocable. And always take the most extreme religious-political positions. So that there’s no turning back.
        I mean, under those circumstances, it’s wonder things didn’t go smoothly.

        Judaism, I think, is a great religion, although I may be biased in its favor, being Jewish. But as the ostensible basis for a state? Uh, no thank you.

      • RoHa
        July 10, 2014, 8:12 pm

        Zionism preceded Nazism.

      • ziusudra
        July 11, 2014, 6:38 am

        Greetings Kay24,
        ……lunacy of Zionism…..
        Hertzl’s Zionism steams up in the latter part of the 19th C.
        He dies before the 1st WW. Nationalism was pervasive in contiguous Europe.
        Zionism was supposed to be milder than Golemism of the 16th C in Prague. Whatever? Ideology morphs on its own as time goes by.
        See US Democracy.
        ziusudra
        PS Even corruption corrupts, as we will see with the implosion of Zionistan.

  14. seafoid
    July 10, 2014, 12:14 pm

    There is nothing like Zionist self delusion.
    They just don’t understand cause and effect or Zionism vs reality.

    link to haaretz.com

    “The Grad rockets Hamas is firing at Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod and Kiryat Malachi are rockets of despair. The rockets fired at Tel Aviv and all points north are rockets of fanaticism. With their backs to the wall, our fanatical enemies to the south have decided to tear down their house over their heads, in hopes of taking some of the complacent ones with them. Left without a future, the fanatic, starving people of the Gaza Strip are trying to bog down the complacent Israeli democracy in their mess.

    The rocket attacks on Israel are an attack of chaos on order. In the old Middle East, the constant threat facing the Jewish state was invasion by regular armies. In the new Middle East, Israel faces the danger of irregular forces from irregular entities disrupting domestic order. The Gulf wars and the Arab Spring have broken down most of our old enemies — Iraq, Syria and Libya — but another enemy has risen up: chaos.

    Up until June 2014, we managed to prevent the chaos from spreading over our borders. But now, Hamas’ rockets are bringing that disorder into our orderly bubble. The combination of fanaticism, desperation and rocket capabilities are only the precursor to what we can expect over the next years and decades. Yesterday’s complacency is on its way out, making way for awareness of unending regional violence and disorder.

    The rocket attacks on Israel are meant to burst this bubble. Tel Aviv thought it found a way to avoid the horrors of the Middle East? Tel Aviv was mistaken. That spiritual, cultural, value-centric bubble it created could not survive, not without recognizing the tragic reality surrounding it. You thought you could keep your economy and society cut off from geostrategic challenges? You were wrong. In this country there’s no separating the essential struggles for a just society and healthy economy from the unique circumstance in which Israel exists. “

  15. Walid
    July 10, 2014, 12:27 pm

    Today, the now aged Ahmad Jibril (founder and leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command) in Damascus, asked for all Palestinians to join in the 3rd Intifada and in so many other words, for Abbas and Hanniyeh to come clean with the Palestinian people and stop their futile dancing with the Israelis and formally declare the start of the intifada. He said that most of the hardware being thrown at Israel today was supplied by Syria and Iran via the Sudan and clans in the Sinai. He reproached the Arab countries for not having supplied a single rifle to the Palestinians to defend themselves and accused them of having simply thrown money at them which only encouraged their corruption. He also reproached Meshaal for having turned his back on Assad when he took up the Qataris offer to move to Doha. Qatar is now working at getting a cease-fire in place without any concessions being granted to Hamas. Jibril asked for Palestinians inside Israel to join the intifada.

    • Majority Viewer
      July 10, 2014, 12:56 pm

      This is the truth of the matter, since 48. Its been one continuous intifada. Islamic majority, or near majority nations don’t surrender for theocratic reasons.

      Its not Israel’s fault that they are technologically superior to the Palestinian’s, or the surrounding hostile states… that’s just a function of the current scientific backwardness of Islamic states in general (link to thenewatlantis.com)

      Palestine could choose to surrender to the superior force, but they choose to continue fighting. Rather than employing a uniformed military like a civilized state, they choose to hide militants within population, and not only that, but Gazan “civilians” openly clothe, feed, arm, train and support Islamic terror.

      This necessitates civilian targeting, because you can’t separate the combatants from the non-combatants. If Palestians, in their fight, would separate their terroristic military activity from civilian’s I’d oppose the targeting of these “civilian” enemy combatants… as it is though, from Palestine, Iraq, Syria to Sudan, Islamic forces routinely fight with intermingled non-uniformed forces… it is part of Islamic theology; the intifada and jihad.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 5:21 pm

        Here we go Pamela Geller.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 6:25 pm

        Its not Israel’s fault that they are technologically superior to the Palestinian’s, or the surrounding hostile states… that’s just a function of the current scientific backwardness of Islamic states

        Israel was texhnologicallt backward until a flood of Russian scientists came from Russia, and were paid by Russia to educate the Israelis.

        If Israel ever paid it’s own way, it would be no different to the surrounding states.

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 8:16 pm

        Israel has a history of NOT paying it’s own way. They bring out the victim card, remind the world of their unfortunate past, and turn into parasites forever.
        They cling, sponge off, and are the biggest welfare queen the US has ever had.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 8:52 pm

        Israel has a history of NOT paying it’s own way. They bring out the victim card, remind the world of their unfortunate past, and turn into parasites forever

        And then turn around and claim they are on their own, that the world has never supported them and that all their success is self made.

        In fact, they go even further and maim the world owes them a debt of gratitude for their inventiveness and ingenuity.

      • Pat Nguyen
        July 10, 2014, 10:43 pm

        @Shingo
        Where? Where do you get such erroneous thoughts from?
        Can not one person call out these ludicrous statements made by one of there own? Surely among the haters of Israel here someone must giggle at these fantastic ideas

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 11:26 pm

        Can not one person call out these ludicrous statements made by one of there own?

        They are not erroneous thoughts you ignoramus. They come straight from a book by an pro Israeli fanatic, Dan Senor, who worked for Romey’s presidential canpaing as his Middle East advisor.

        if you weren’t so poorly, you might try reading a book. In his book, ‘Startup Nation’, Senor conceded that Israel was in an economic black hole before the migration of several thousand Russian-trained scientists and engineers. Russian taxpayers laid out the resources and brainpower to teach and train those people; Israel reaps the benefits.
        link to books.google.com.au

        Surely among the haters of Israel here someone must giggle at these fantastic ideas

        No it’s you we giggle at every time you make such an idiot of yourself.

      • AlGhorear
        July 11, 2014, 12:56 am

        No kidding Sumud. Why should I come to Mondoweiss to read racist comments like this when I can just read Geller and her ilk. Nine people were slaughtered at a beach cafe while gathered to watch a World Cup match and majority viewer wants to talk about the superiority of western culture. Superior weapons, maybe. Superior culture, absolutely not. Go away you sick creep.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 1:34 am

        Nine people were slaughtered at a beach cafe while gathered to watch a World Cup match and majority viewer wants to talk about the superiority of western culture. Superior weapons, maybe. Superior culture, absolutely not.

        Don’t be surprised Al. Those who come up with these bigoted arguments are moral cretins. Nazi Germany represented what was arguably the pinnacle of Western culture at the time.

        Wernher Magnus Maximilian, was a German rocket engineer and space architect and greed develop the V-2 rocket during World War II.

        Along with other Nazi scientists. he was brought to the USS to help develop the Saturn rocket.

        Germany at the time was also very cultured and had a vibrant arts culture.

        Joseph Mengele’s experiments in the field of hypothermia contributed a great deal to medicine , even if he did his experiments on Jews at the time.

        Hitler himself has bed credited with coming up with the idea of Medicare.

        I bring thus up to demonstrate that technical and achievement is no guarantee of moral enlightenment. After all, it was Western culture that gave us WW1, WW2, and the Holocaust.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:22 pm

        Majority Viewer, if Israel is so technologically advanced why can’t they even find their own borders? This “technologically superior to the Palestinian’s” Israel, could you please draw it for me, or show it to me on a map?

        And it’s been “the truth of the matter” since ’48? Gosh, I wonder what happened in 1948? I guess everybody, the Palestinians and those awful “surrounding hostile states” invited the Zionists in, asked them to take over, and then turned on the Zionists? Please, tell us about it.

      • AlGhorear
        July 11, 2014, 12:59 am

        Mooser, you are a gem. It’s so good to have you back.

      • Mooser
        July 11, 2014, 12:24 pm

        “Mooser, you are a gem.”

        Yeah. A regular carbuncle.

      • talknic
        July 10, 2014, 6:16 pm

        @ Majority Viewer “This is the truth of the matter …”
        .. is you’re repeating easily disproven Hasbara.

        This is undeniable:
        The Israeli Government proclaimed Israel ” as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947. Israel was recognized as such 11 minutes later by the US and subsequently by a majority of other nations.

        This is undeniable: It as been illegal to acquire territory by war since at least 1933, any war! Israel has not since legally annexed or legally acquired any further territories by agreement

        This is undeniable: Since 1948 Israel has had military control of territories the Israeli Government said on May 22nd 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        “Its not Israel’s fault that they are technologically superior to the Palestinian’s, or the surrounding hostile states… “

        It IS Israel’s fault that it has had its military forces occupying non-Israeli territory for 66 years and that it has been illegally claiming, illegally dis-possessing, illegally razing farms homes villages, illegally annexing, illegally settling, illegally selling to Israeli citizens land in territories that do not belong to the State of Israel.

        “Palestine could choose to surrender to the superior force, but they choose to continue fighting”

        They have every right to fight for their legal rights. Meanwhile, Israel’s demands to non-Israeli territory, Palestinian dis-armament, recognition as the Jewish state etc etc, have absolutely no legal basis what so ever.

        “Rather than employing a uniformed military like a civilized state..”

        There’s a problem with your drivel pal. This is undeniable:

        Israeli Knesset :“You can see on television that most of those who died during the attack were wearing Hamas uniforms, either black or other uniforms of Hamas” Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni on December 28, 2008 Israeli Knesset.

        Dec 27: IDF operation against terror infrastructure in the Gaza Strip Since this morning, the IDF attacked dozens of targets affiliated with the Hamas terror organization in the Gaza Strip. The targets included command centers, training camps, various Hamas installations, rocket manufacturing facilities and storage warehouses. The vast majority of the casualties are terror operatives, most of whom were wearing uniform and working on behalf of terror organizations.

        Q1: Where is the legal requirement to wear a uniform stated?

        Q2: – Do Israeli undercover/special ops wear a uniform, or carry their arms openly or display a recognizable emblem?

        Q3: – Are Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni and the IDF liars?

        A search with google reveals that Hezbollah also wear uniforms.

        “Gazan “civilians” openly clothe, feed, arm, train and support…”

        Of course. Hamas are Gazan/Palestinians, drawn from a population who have been subjected to the terror of the Israeli war machine for 66 years.

        Israelis openly clothe, feed, arm, train and support the IDF who started as terrorists and who now regularly terrorize ALL of Gaza and the West Bank

        “This necessitates civilian targeting, because you can’t separate the combatants from the non-combatants”

        According to the statements by Tzipi Livni and IDF above, they’re quite visible.

      • Giles
        July 10, 2014, 6:34 pm

        I don’t get it. If Israel is so awesome and self reliant, why has she kept her hand deep into the pockets of the US taxpayers to the tune of several billions of dollars per year for decades?

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 11:27 pm

        Mblockquote> If Israel is so awesome and self reliant, why has she kept her hand deep into the pockets of the US taxpayers to the tune of several billions of dollars per year for decades?

        And they are asking for more. In fact, the IDF is in the red to the tune of US$20 billion in spite of all the aid.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:30 am

        Military occupations can be such an expensive habit, sheesh.

      • G. Seauton
        July 10, 2014, 7:23 pm

        That’s a very islamophobic statement. I thought such statements were banned, per comments policy.

      • AlGhorear
        July 11, 2014, 1:01 am

        Agreed, G. Seauton. Majority View’s statement is blatantly Islamaphobic.

  16. seafoid
    July 10, 2014, 12:29 pm

    Mustafa Barghouti
    link to theguardian.com

    “We demand an immediate meeting of the UN security council and a decision to impose a complete ceasefire with effective international protection for the Palestinian people, who have no way of matching the superpower of the mighty Israeli army. We call on the Palestinian leadership to stop its hesitation in establishing a unified Palestinian leadership and go straight to the international criminal court to hold Israel accountable. Without these measures, I fear worse may be to come.”

    • Walid
      July 10, 2014, 1:20 pm

      A super honest Palestinian spokesman, seafoid. He was also great with Anna Baltzer on Jon Stewart in 2009. He was at the Abu Khdeir home for the funeral. He lost the presidential elections in 2005 in good part because Israel wanted Abbas to win; his campaign (probably drafted by Pam) told EI that:

      …Unfortunately, several types of violations were evident on voting day, including:

      The Israeli government’s blockade and disenfranchisement of the elections process, particularly the suppression of the internationally recognized rights of East Jerusalem residents to vote. In Jerusalem a large contingent of Israeli security forces engaged in arbitrary harassment, obstruction, and intimidation, which prevented significant numbers of Palestinians from voting. Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter declared his concern over the severe impediments faced by Jerusalem voters due to undemocratic activities by the Israeli government.
      Contrary to what is being advertised, the Israeli government did not remove the checkpoints to facilitate the free movement of voters to their elections centers.
      Around 25,000 people have been held at the Rafah crossing checkpoint for nearly a month by Israeli forces, and they have been unable to reach their home cities and exercise their right to vote.

      Other problematic developments on voting day included:

      The Central Elections Committee was pressured all day to change the rules and procedures of voting, changes which could seriously affect the accountability and transparency of the elections process.

      At around 5:00 pm, Dr. Barghouthi and his campaigners found out via the media and word of mouth that the election rules and procedures had been changed.

      Neither he nor his campaign were officially informed. The changes were:
      1. The voting process was prolonged for two additional hours.

      2. The rules and procedures were changed such that people who were not registered in the elections registry were suddenly allowed to vote, which opened up the possibility of double or multiple voting.

      When the Central Elections Committee was asked about safeguards against double voting, they cited the use of indelible ink and the voter registry. By 5:30 pm, the registry was removed as a safeguard, and the indelible ink was also known to be removable since early morning. Dr. Barghouthi himself, like many others, managed to remove the ink from his thumb with acetone.

      These extremely serious developments were accompanied by the transport of hundreds if not thousands of Palestinian security servicemen to polling stations to vote after the election rules and regulations had changed.

      Dr. Barghouthi asked the Central Elections Committee to send him the changes in voting procedures in writing, but he was told that this was impossible.

      link to electronicintifada.net

  17. seafoid
    July 10, 2014, 12:53 pm

    As Avraham Burg said in his autobiography, the Zionists forgave the Nazis far too quickly and the Arabs became the Nazis.

    And then, although Burg didn’t say it, the Palestinians became Amalek.

    And looking at that video, a few thoughts

    – Gaza is still a society that functions even if most Israeli Jews consider the people vermin, as Netanyahu does
    – the Palestinian Red Crescent are simply immense
    – There is no future for Israel in nihilism. It’s the opposite of what the Judaism of the future will be

  18. NoMoreIsrael
    July 10, 2014, 1:03 pm

    For the life of me I don’t understand why the Palestinians have not adopted the techniques of the Iraqi resistance, which drove the hateful superpower from their land with the use of powerful, inexpensive IEDs. If these things can rip American military vehicles to shreds, they will certainly work against the Israeli cowards.

    • seafoid
      July 10, 2014, 2:25 pm

      Collaborators- the Yanks didn’t have the network Israel does.
      And violence doesn’t work anyway against Israel. Peaceful collective action is far more effective.

      • Kris
        July 10, 2014, 3:30 pm

        @seafoid: “And violence doesn’t work anyway against Israel. Peaceful collective action is far more effective.”

        Although I believe in nonviolent action, I don’t think there’s any evidence at all that it works or will ever work against Israel. For nonviolent action to be successful, the side that is oppressing has to be able to care about the suffering they are causing. This is demonstrably not, and never has been, the case in Israel. The IDF routinely kills and maims non-violent demonstrators, and the Israeli public, and their U.S. supporters, approve.

        Nonviolence worked in the Jim Crow U.S. south only because non-southerners were horrified by what they saw happening, and had the power to get it stopped. That is not the case in Israel, where the majority see non-Jews as subhumans.

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 3:42 pm

        BDS is making more progress isolating Israel than violence did.

      • Walid
        July 10, 2014, 4:08 pm

        seafoid, I’m all for BDS against Israel and in a non-violent intifada, but the president of the Palestinians is against both. He believes the only alternative to negotiations is more negotiations and won’t allow anti-Israel demonstrations. What are the Palestinians to do?

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 10, 2014, 4:20 pm

        I support BDS.

        That said, would it have worked for the Vietnamese? Perhaps because of the time at which I grew up and the impact the Vietnam war had on my early development, I see much of the Israel-Palestine catastrophe through that lens. For the Vietnamese, there was only one game in town: kill as many Americans as possible. The next day, do the same, and hope they go away.

        Certainly, the Israelis can not deal with any significant degree of discomfort, fear or deprivation. Their decadent society will collapse because they don’t have the resiliency of the Palestinians. The question is, can ENOUGH violence be inflicted on Israel for this to happen? If not, then violence is completely counter-productive and should be totally abandoned by the Palestinians. I no longer believe in violent resistance for the sake of making an obscure point about strength in the midst of calamity. If the Palestinians are going to resort to violence, they should play to win.

        (I think it’s notable that the Arab author Sayed Kashua says he is is leaving Jerusalem and never coming back, claiming that his lifelong dream of Arab-Jewish coexistence in Israel is no longer viable. )

      • seafoid
        July 10, 2014, 4:33 pm

        Walid

        Israeli society may blow up before BDS arrives to save it.
        The nihilism could continue for another 20 years but the young generation in Israel will tip it over the edge, I bet.
        The cost of the occupation in terms of Israeli society and its direction is staggering. They really did a deal with Satan when they conquered the territories in 1967.
        Poor Jon S.

        And can you imagine what the Presbyterians are saying now ? What is Yoffie going to say the next time he accuses them of anti-Semitism?

        What are young Jews in the States who were already dubious about Israel thinking ?

        Israel can’t escape the psychosis.

        There is no point in pretending it ever will.

        It’s a write off.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 10, 2014, 6:38 pm

        @ seafoid,

        Q: BDS is making more progress isolating Israel than violence did.

        R: Perhaps so, but how does that stop the killing today?

    • jon s
      July 10, 2014, 2:35 pm

      I’m just wondering whether a commenter calling him/herself “NoMorePalestine” would be allowed to use that pseudonym.
      And I’m not even getting into the bloodthirsty content.

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:38 pm

        Right Jon S .

        You ‘re offended by a comment about bloodthirsty content , but hand no problem with the bloodletting in Gaza.

        BTW. Don’t you wish you were those people who were killed watching the World Cup in Gaza, rather than merely having their viewing pleasure being interrupted as they casually more downstairs to a bomb shelter?

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:25 pm

        “And I’m not even getting into the bloodthirsty content.”

        Stop, it’s early in the day, and I don’t want to get drunk! You know I can resist good vintage whines, especially with a bowl of salty kvetchels

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 7:19 pm

        “I’m just wondering whether a commenter calling him/herself “NoMorePalestine”

        Oh gosh jons, we’ve had people telling us the Palestinians don’t exist, and yes, also telling us ‘there is, never was, any such place as Palestine’ IIRC.

        jon s, haven’t you figured out yet that every time you open your mouth you are fated to stick your foot in it? Do you enjoy the taste or something?

      • Giles
        July 10, 2014, 6:36 pm

        jon s. Just wondering. Blood thirsty content of a comment? But Israel shelling Gaza and killing several dozen people so far does not elicit you commenting on how blood thirsty Israel is?

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 11:28 pm

        But Israel shelling Gaza and killing several dozen people so far does not elicit you commenting on how blood thirsty Israel is?

        Yes odd isn’t it? Dead bodies is no big deal but a few nasty words are offensive.

      • Donald
        July 10, 2014, 11:57 pm

        Jon S, I don’t want any Israeli to be hurt and don’t agree with bloodthirsty comments, but my main concern is for the Palestinians who are dying by the score.

        You mention Israeli resilience somewhere– I think people living in the American south and midwest every spring face something similar. I spent a few minutes googling and found a website listing the number of tornado deaths in the US per year.

        2011 was a bad year for US tornados–550 deaths, which would translate to around 14 deaths in Israel. (I divided by 40).

        link

        What the Palestinians experience is comparable to an F5 tornado plowing through their community. What the Israelis experience is mostly like people in the US who go to their basement when they hear a siren during tornado season or are told to do so by the weatherman on TV–it never amounts to anything for the vast majority of us.

        I never personally experienced a tornado. I went to the basement a few times and once to a closet when there was a tornado warning. Nothing happened. A derecho nearly sent a huge branch into my family’s house once, but nobody was hurt. My family drove to a state park months after a tornado had hit–it was hundreds of acres of forest turned into brush. A lot more like Gaza than Tel Aviv. The raccoons in that forest experienced what Gazans experience. The Israeli experience for most of you is closer to mine. At least as far as rockets are concerned.

      • jon s
        July 11, 2014, 9:16 am

        I still haven’t received a direct answer to my question: would Mondoweiss accept a commenter called “NoMorePalestine”?

      • Donald
        July 11, 2014, 10:51 am

        Ask Phil or someone in charge. I don’t really care–to my mind that sort of name on either side of the issue (or something absurd like the recent “Truth Unleashed”) hurts the person who chooses it, since they’ve immediately placed themselves into a box.

        Your point, presumably, is that there is some basic unfairness in the website in that it allows someone to choose “no more Israel” but presumably not “no more Palestine”. Again, ask Phil. Don’t expect the rest of us to give a crap about this. Or better yet, write something about the objectionable content of this or that poster. Start a discussion about long term goals and how one would hope to reach a 1SS without trying to reach people on both sides. That might be interesting. If you focus on blog policy fairness in name choosing when dozens of Palestinians are dying each day, it seems like a waste of time.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:22 pm

        would Mondoweiss accept a commenter called “NoMorePalestine”?

        Would Israel accept a foreign military occupation or Palestinian settlements inside Israeli proper?

      • Sumud
        July 12, 2014, 3:09 am

        Stop being such a desperate cry baby jon s.

        There’s nothing genocidal in the user name ‘NoMoreIsrael’. If it were NoMoreJews you would have a legitimate point; it doesn’t, you don’t.

        If you want to know if the user name NoMorePalestine would be approved, then register it and find out instead of this helpless cry baby whining.

        Let’s also acknowledge that NoMorePalestine is the zionist project in a nutshell, and it is undeniable that it involves ongoing ethnic cleansing, terror, murder and massive theft of land and resources.

        NoMoreIsrael might be express a desire to visit the same on Israeli jews and it might not. It might also be advocacy for a single state in mandate Palestine with equal right for all. Again, why don’t you do something like ask NoMorePalestine what that handle means to him or her, instead of being such a sad-sack wannabe victim?

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 6:05 am

        @ Daniel Rich a few comments above.

        R: Perhaps so, but how does that stop the killing today?

        Of course it doesn’t, but I think increasing pressure from BDS is moderating Israel’s behaviour.

        They made 2 catastrophic mistakes in the last decade that dramatically altered people’s opinions of Israel, the bloodbath in Gaza in 2008/08 and the attack on the Free Gaza Flotilla in 2010.

        Since then we’ve had *relative* quiet, and I’m not downplaying continuous Israeli violence and killing of Palestinians when I say that. I just think it would be worse if Israel wasn’t so mindful of the fact another massive PR disaster is just around the corner…

      • MHughes976
        July 11, 2014, 11:40 am

        In reply to Donald – to my mind the ethic of Mondoweiss is based, rather admirably, first on rejection of racism and of privilege or exclusion based on race, second on the balance between ‘no denial/trivialisation of the Holocaust’ and ‘no denial/trivialisation of the Nakba’. This would imply rejection, indeed horrified rejection, of any ‘name’ like ‘No more Jews’ or ‘No more Palestine’.

      • jon s
        July 12, 2014, 2:45 am

        Despite Donald’s “don’t give a crap” , I think that the issue of a commenter called “NoMoreIsrael”, with the genocidal implications of that title , is worth addressing.
        I would appreciate a simple reply from one of the editors or moderators:
        1. Yes , we would accept a commenter called “NoMorePalestine”.
        2. No , that pseudonym would not be allowed.
        Which is it?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 2:53 am

        jon, i would just like to state unequivocally that the task of approving posters as commentors on MW, including commenter names, along with decisions to ban certain posters, is not under my purview. so my opinion is not really relevant here. but if i were in charge i would absolutely not approve a commenter named ‘nomorepalestine’nor would i have approved a poster with the username ‘nomoreisrael’. that’s something you’ll have to take up w/adam or phil.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 2:55 am

        I think that the issue of a commenter called “NoMoreIsrael”, with the genocidal implications of that title , is worth addressing.

        For you supremacists, a broken fingernail is one step closer to genocide.

  19. Sumud
    July 10, 2014, 1:37 pm

    Interesting piece from The Guardian proposing Israel’s latest massacre in Gaza is really about gaining access to Gaza’s offshore gas and therefore avert an energy crisis in Israel:

    IDF’s Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis

    • Walid
      July 10, 2014, 1:51 pm

      Sumud, the gas story goes back to a deal Arafat was trying to make with British Gas around 2001 that was short-circuited on behalf of Israel by Blair. With Arafat out of the way, Israel revived the deal itself and for itself in 2006 and was close to being completed by 2008 and that’s when Cast Lead was made to happen.

      I think that a final nasty deal for the Palestinians has already been agreed to but Hamas would stand in the way of having it go through. Maybe this is what this current war is all about and the gas is a bonus feature in it.

      As to energy crisis, Israel now has this stuff coming out of its ears with its own production of natural gas and with all the Kurdish oil being pipelined to Turkey and transported by tankers to Ashdod.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 2:38 pm

        I thought they had lots of gas also Walid but the linked piece suggests the picture isn’t so rosy after all.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 10, 2014, 6:42 pm

        @ Walid,

        The Apartheid State doesn’t need off-shore gas fields. Look at all the hot air that’s coming out of its state-run GAS [Goyim Are Stupid] block…

    • jon s
      July 12, 2014, 12:47 pm

      Annie,
      Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it.
      I don’t think I’ll pursue this matter any further, I’ve really got other concerns today.
      Here in Beersheva we’ve had three alarms so far today. During the first one, around 4 AM, there was a direct hit on a home, and an 86 year old woman, who couldn’t make it to a shelter fast enough, was wounded.

  20. jon s
    July 10, 2014, 2:12 pm

    Just experienced the most extensive missile attack on Beersheva, ever.
    Four consecutive sirens, something like 20 rockets. One home sustained a direct hit, fortunately the family was in their security room and noone was seriously hurt.

    • seafoid
      July 10, 2014, 3:46 pm

      The price of Eretz Israel Hashlemah with no room for a Palestinian state is that, Jon. It’s not rocket science. And it is EXACTLY the same shit as 2008, down to the commentary.

      link to haaretz.com
      “The army terrorized the entire West Bank with a dragnet and mass arrests, whose declared aim was “to crush Hamas.” A racist campaign raged on the Internet and led to a Palestinian teenager being burned alive. All this followed Israel’s punitive campaign against the effort to establish a Palestinian unity government that the world was prepared to recognize, its violation of its commitment to release prisoners, a halt of the diplomatic process and a refusal to propose any alternate plan or vision.
      Did we really think the Palestinians would accept all this submissively, obediently, and calmly, and that peace and quiet would continue to prevail in Israel’s cities?
      What exactly were we thinking? That Gaza would live forever in the shadow of Israeli (and Egyptian) caprice, with the restraints sometimes loosened a bit, or sometimes painfully tightened? That the biggest prison in the world would carry on as a prison? That hundreds of thousands of its residents would remain cut off forever? That exports would be blocked and fishing restricted? What exactly are 1.5 million people supposed to live on? Is there anyone who can explain why the blockade, even if partial, of Gaza continues? Can anyone explain why its future is never discussed? Did we think that all this would continue and Gaza would accept it submissively? Anyone who thought so was a victim of dangerous delusions, and now we are all paying the price.
      But please, just don’t act surprised. Just don’t raise hell about the Palestinians raining rockets on Israeli cities for nothing – such luxuries are no longer acceptable. The dread that Israeli citizens are feeling now is no greater that the dread felt by hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who in recent weeks waited in terror for the soldiers to break down their doors and invade their homes in the middle of the night, to search, trash, destroy, humiliate, and then snatch a member of their household. The fear we’re experiencing is no greater that the fear felt by Palestinian children and teens, several of whom were killed needlessly by Israeli Defense Forces fire in recent weeks. The trepidation Israelis feel is certainly less than that felt by Gaza residents, who have no Color Red warnings, no “secure spaces,” and no Iron Dome to save them, only hundreds of scary sorties by the Israel Air Force that end in destruction and the death of innocents, including the elderly, women, and children, who have already been killed during this operation, as it during all its predecessors.
      The operation already has a childish name, “Protective Edge.” But Operation Protective Edge started and will end like all previous operations – giving us no protection and no edge. The media and public opinion want Palestinian blood and destruction, with the center-left supporting this, of course, as it always has at the beginning. But what comes next has already long been written in the chronicles of all the senseless and bloody Gaza operations through the ages. What’s amazing is that from operation to operation, nobody seems to learn anything, and nothing changes except the weapons. “

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 10, 2014, 3:50 pm

      I’m not sure whether you want us to feel sorry for you, or whether you’re bragging about how Israelis care so much for ‘their people’ that a ‘security room’ – whatever the hell that is – saved them from the might of a homemade fire cracker.

    • NoMoreIsrael
      July 10, 2014, 4:34 pm

      jon s

      What does it say when the “most extensive missile attack on Beersheva, ever” would drop off the daily news without a mention in Gaza, where a “minor” Israeli strike often kills several people and the deafening blast blows an entire home to pieces, with a gigantic plume of smoke and fire reaching into the clouds?

      Does the slight disparity prey on your conscience at any point?

    • Sumud
      July 10, 2014, 4:34 pm

      Stay strong jon s, and remember:

      We Will Rebuild!

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:47 pm

        Thanks for the comic relief Simud. That is priceless.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 7:32 pm

        “Thanks for the comic relief Simud. That is priceless.”

        Guys, don’t quit your day jobs! Sure, once in a while we (even me, sometimes) gets off a sockdolager or two.

        But when it comes to comedy, none of us can keep up with the zio-clowns around here. Almost everything they say is hysterically laughable.
        And so willing to expose themselves the way they do, just to entertain! That, my friends, is true comedic artistry.

      • talknic
        July 10, 2014, 9:05 pm

        Mooser “That, my friends, is true comedic artistry”

        Uh? That’s not how arsistry is spelled!

    • Shingo
      July 10, 2014, 4:43 pm

      One home sustained a direct hit, fortunately the family was in their security room and noone was seriously hurt.

      Oh my Jon I am so relieved you didn’t sustain any injuries like breaking a fingernail as you typed this. Please tell us you’re OK.

      Have you been able to watch the wild cup uninterrupted? I would hate to have you human rights violated by missing the second half again.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 5:28 pm

        Shingo, how can you be so heartless? Didn’t Diane Sawyer show us the blocks wide, acres deep devastation caused by Palestinian “missiles”?

    • Kay24
      July 11, 2014, 7:35 am

      Aw you poor guys, really, why can’t those pesky Palestinians just take the F16 fighters, apache helicopters and precision bombs, that have killed over 100, 25 at least being children, like brave soldiers, and not retaliate with rockets. Such an inconvenience for the Israelis. Sheesh.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:40 am

        Aw you poor guys, really, why can’t those pesky Palestinians just take the F16 fighters, apache helicopters and precision bombs, that have killed over 100, 25 at least being children, like brave soldiers, and not retaliate with rockets. Such an inconvenience for the Israelis.

        We can all relax folks. It looks like Jon S and his peeps are safe and well, and turning their attention to other forms of entertainment during the break in the world cup.
        link to twitter.com

        Is that you with the John Boehner sun tan Jon?

  21. seafoid
    July 10, 2014, 2:18 pm

    Yossi Israeli has been here so many times before
    Daniel Levy | Dec. 18, 2008 | 10:27 PM

    link to haaretz.com
    “As the defined period for the Gaza cease-fire comes to an end today, preceded by a new cycle of violence, Israelis are being treated to a predictable dose of political posturing and chest-thumping. “We must do something, exact a price,” we hear. Yes, the rocket fire needs to stop, but there is no military answer to this predicament.

    To recap: For most of the six months of the cease-fire, relative quiet prevailed, and life returned to near-normal for the residents of Sderot and environs (though not for Gazans, who remained under siege). Then on November 4, an Israeli operation sparked a new round of dangerous, if controlled, violence – characterized by occasional Israeli strikes and incursions, matched by Palestinian rockets and shooting across the border.

    The cease-fire, while far from ideal, was an improvement over what had preceded it. Of course, Hamas sought to upgrade its military and defensive capacities during this period, as Israel should have been doing on the other side of the border – it would have been absurd to expect otherwise. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail and the cease-fire will be extended – it is in the interests of both sides. The military alternative is not an attractive one – from Israel’s side, escalation leading to partial or full reoccupation of Gaza, from Hamas, rockets and perhaps armed attacks from the West Bank in response. It also has no obvious exit strategy. ”

    link to haaretz.com

    Gideon Levy | Dec. 31, 2008
    “It is hard to judge what they are thinking, how they feel. It’s unlikely to be relevant, anyway. They are measured by their actions. In any event, from an altitude of thousands of feet the picture looks as sterile as a Rorschach inkblot. Lock onto the target, press the button and then a black column of smoke. Another “successful hit.” None see the effects on the ground of their actions. Their heads must surely be filled with Gaza horror stories – they themselves have never been there – as if there aren’t a million and a half people living there who only want to live with a minimum of honor, some of them young like themselves, with dreams of studying, working, raising a family but who have no chance to fulfill their dreams with or without the bombing.

    Do the pilots think about them, the children of refugees whose parents and grandparents have already been driven from their lives? Do they think about the thousands of people they have left permanently disabled in a place without a single hospital worthy of the name and no rehabilitation centers at all? Do they think about the burning hatred they are planting not only in Gaza but in other corners of the world amid the horrific images on television?

    It was not the pilots who decided to go to war, but they are the subcontractors. The real accounting must be with the decision makers, but the pilots are their partners. When they return home they will be welcomed with all the respect and honor we reserve for them. It appears that not only will no one try to provoke moral questioning among them, but that they are considered the real heroes of this cursed war. The Israel Defense Forces spokesman is already going over the top with praise in his daily briefings for the “wonderful work” they are doing. He too, of course, completely ignores the images from Gaza. After all, these are not sadistic Border Police officers beating up Arabs in the alleys of Nablus and the center of Hebron, or cruel undercover soldiers who shoot their targets point-blank in cold blood. These, as we have said, are our finest young men.

    Maybe if they were to confront the results of their “wonderful work” even once they would regret their decisions, they would reconsider the effects of their actions. If they were to go just once to Jerusalem’s Alyn Hospital Pediatric and Adolescent Rehabilitation Center, where for nearly three years Marya Aman, 7, has been hospitalized – she is a quadriplegic who runs her wheelchair, and her life, with her chin – they would be shocked. This adorable little girl was hit by a missile in Gaza that killed almost her entire family, the handiwork of our pilots.

    But all of this is well hidden from the pilots’ eyes. They are only doing their job, as the saying goes, only following orders like bombing machines. In the past few days they have excelled at this, and the results are there for the entire world to see. Gaza is licking its wounds, just like Lebanon before it, and almost no one pauses for a moment to ask whether all this is necessary, or unavoidable, or whether it contributes to Israel’s security and Is it really the case that our pilots return safely to base, or are they in fact returning to them as callous, cruel and blind people?
    . ”
    link to sabbah.biz
    Same nihilism, different year. Israel is the new Bourbons. Never learns anything.

    • NoMoreIsrael
      July 10, 2014, 11:12 pm

      How does someone like Gideon Levy arise in a society as thoroughly polluted as Israel’s? Where does such courage come from? I would love to meet him one day.

      Thanks for posting, seafoid.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 10, 2014, 11:42 pm

        @No More Israel!!!!

        How does someone like Gideon Levy arise in a society as thoroughly polluted as Israel’s? Where does such courage come from? I would love to meet him one day.

        Surprise, ha, no more Israel? I strongly recommend you to open your eyes little more and learn about the diversity of the Israeli society. Gideon Levy is not exceptional. There are many Gideon Levy’s as well as many racists in Israel. Like any other democratic society, Israel allows freedom of speech and any one can express his views and feelings. You, no more Israel, choose to see only one side, the dark side, that I admit is part of the Israeli society. Try to see other sides of us and you will be surprised. You can start here in MW and realize that many anti-Israeli articles are written by Israeli Jews, many sources that MW uses are coming from Israeli Jews. I don’t like them, but I glad that we have this kind of freedom.

        I am ready to arrange you meeting with Gideon Levy, but I ask you, please, to arrange me meeting with the “Palestinian Gideon Levy”.

      • Justpassingby
        July 11, 2014, 4:39 am

        “Like any other democratic society, Third Reich allows freedom of speech and any one can express his views and feelings. You, no more Third Reich, choose to see only one side, the dark side, that I admit is part of the Third Reich society. Try to see other sides of us and you will be surprised.”

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 6:48 am

        @Justpassingby:

        Disgusting comment!!! no more.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 11, 2014, 8:28 am

        no more

        you don’t like comments like that? you penned 95% of it. i really didn’t like your version either but it cleared moderation. should i have not done that?

      • Talkback
        July 11, 2014, 5:25 am

        I am ready to arrange you meeting with Gideon Levy, but I ask you, please, to arrange me meeting with the “Palestinian Gideon Levy”.

        A Palestinian who criticizes the ongoing occupation of “Eretz Israel” and its crimes against humanity, right?

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 6:18 am

        @Talkback:

        A Palestinian who criticizes the ongoing occupation of “Eretz Israel” and its crimes against humanity, right?

        No, Talkback, those Palestinians criticize the ongoing occupation of “Eretz Israel” and its crimes against humanity, I can meet even here in MW. I want to meet one Palestinian criticizes the Palestinian authority or Hamas policies (from Palestinian territory, not from Toronto) in any subject: politics, economy, ideology etc. I can wait, Talkback.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 10:39 am

        @Annie:

        you don’t like comments like that? you penned 95% of it. i really didn’t like your version either but it cleared moderation. should i have not done that?

        I the past two weeks you deleted many of my comments for nothing. Here is my original reply that @Justpassingby changed. I want to know what is wrong with it:

        “Like any other democratic society, Israel allows freedom of speech and any one can express his views and feelings. You, no more Israel, choose to see only one side, the dark side, that I admit is part of the Israeli society. Try to see other sides of us and you will be surprised.”

        This paragraph doesn’t contain anything that can insult people. In bad, you can’t agree with the argument and I respect your opinion. But, changing this paragraph and insert “third Reich”, those who killed 6,000000 of my people, instead of “Israel” is a big evil and I very sorry you published it. You can still delete it.

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 6:12 am

        The problem, Mahane, is that it is the “dark side” that has it’s hands on the levers in Israel and as you know there are fewer and fewer Israelis that support good people like Gideon Levy.

        Extrapolate that.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 6:33 am

        @Sumud:

        How do you know? you got your impression since you visit MW and maybe other anti-Zionist sites. Those sites always emphasize on the “dark side” of the Israeli society, make you believe that this side is the majority.

        Several minutes ago, I saw a ten meters long sign written by pupils, on the wall of the Jewish-Arab school “Hand in Hand” near Beit Safafa in Jerusalem says “نرفض ان نكون اعداء” ” מסרבים להיות אויבים” means “(we) refuse to be enemies”*. This kind of sign is only one example of the things from Israel you won’t see in those sites.

        (*Elliot – please, confirm. The school is opposite to Faradus, in the way to Gilo).

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:24 pm

        you got your impression since you visit MW and maybe other anti-Zionist sites. Those sites always emphasize on the “dark side” of the Israeli society, make you believe that this side is the majority.

        Don’t be stupid MY1, Blumenthal has lived in Israel. Annie and Phillip have been to Israel, so have I. Israel’s dark side is in your face and unavoidable.

        This kind of sign is only one example of the things from Israel you won’t see in those sites.

        That’s because those signs, lovely as they are, mean nothing to Israel’s leaders of the majority of Israelis.

      • amigo
        July 11, 2014, 6:55 am

        “Like any other democratic society, Israel allows freedom of speech and any one can express his views and feelings.” mehane 1,2 or 3???.

        Sure it does , as long as you do not say anything that is not all cuddly and cosy about the Apartheid rogue entity.

        As hopknee would say—oh please.

        Shouldn,t you be in a bunker, out of range of Mondoweiss incoming anti Hasbara skuds.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 11:15 am

        @Amigo:

        Sure it does , as long as you do not say anything that is not all cuddly and cosy about the Apartheid rogue entity.

        Amigo, from one like you that participates in MW for years, I very surprised to read your response. I invite you to Jerusalem, to see Israelis and Palestinians demonstrate in front of the PM’s house, demanding to stop the war in Gaza. So, please, don’t tell me that there is no freedom of speech in Israel.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 10:51 pm

        I invite you to Jerusalem, to see Israelis and Palestinians demonstrate in front of the PM’s house, demanding to stop the war in Gaza. So, please, don’t tell me that there is no freedom of speech in Israel.

        We already have concrete proof that there is freedom of speech in Israel.

        1. Israel’s government routinely imposed gag orders on the media. That is censorship and crushing of freedom of speech.

        2. An Israeli Jew was arrested for reading out the names of the destroyed Arab villages and towns during Nakba Day 2 years ago. And he wasn’t even in front of the PM’s house.

        Stop lying. There is no freedom of speech in Israel. It is a fascist apartheid state.

      • talknic
        July 11, 2014, 10:59 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1 ” I invite you to Jerusalem, to see Israelis and Palestinians demonstrate in front of the PM’s house, demanding to stop the war in Gaza.”

        Spud points to a small hole in the clouds and, like a true idiot for Israeli intransigence, claims it is a clear day…

      • eljay
        July 11, 2014, 7:03 am

        >> MY1: Like any other democratic society, Israel …

        – is a supremacist state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews;
        – remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder; and
        – investigates kidnapping the kidnapping of Jews by killing non-Jews and destroying their homes and properties (actions that make the Potato-man feel proud of being Israeli).

        Yup, just like any other democratic society.

      • Donald
        July 11, 2014, 7:18 am

        “I want to meet one Palestinian criticizes the Palestinian authority or Hamas policies (from Palestinian territory, not from Toronto) in any subject: politics, economy, ideology etc. I can wait, Talkback.”

        I doubt you are sincere–when you first came here I thought maybe you were, but the more I see you write, the less I believe you. This is just more hasbara. If you had any interest in finding the answer, you could have. Furthermore, even if you were sincere it doesn’t make this any better. Societies which choose to practice apartheid by popular consent (among those who have the power) generally have within them people of conscience who dissent–why would anyone not expect this?

        Anyway, The Palestinian Center for Human Rights is based in Gaza and criticizes both Israel and the various Palestinian factions. You didn’t know this though you are ostensibly interested, because you never took any time to find out.

        The Palestinian Center for Human Rights report for 2013

        Here is a passage from their summary–

        “At the internal Palestinian level, developments were disappointing contrary to expectations and hopes for achieving reconciliation by the beginning of 2013 and the overwhelming positive atmosphere at that period. The inter- nal division continued and even deepened in the Palestinian political re- gime. Under these circumstances, the human rights situation deteriorated further. In the Gaza Strip, more restrictions were imposed on public liber- ties, including the right to freedom of movement, the right to freedom and expression, the right to freedom of association and the right to peaceful as- sembly. Security forces continued also to summon and arrest activists of

        Fatah Movement and subject them to torture and inhuman and degrading treatment. In 2013, more death sentences were issued, while already issued sentences were executed. Additionally, the year witnessed more attacks re- lated to the proliferation of weapons and the state of lawlessness, due to which more Palestinians were killed or injured.
        In the West Bank, security services continued to summon and arrest activists of Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and other factions. PCHR observed also impos- ing more restrictions on public liberties, including the right to freedom of opinion and expression, the right to freedom of association and the right to peaceful assembly. Additionally, the year witnessed more attacks related to the proliferation of weapons and the state of lawlessness, due to which more Palestinians were killed or injured.”

        And by the way, if you google the term “Palestinian Human Rights”, a link to this organization appears a few lines down. Imagine that.

        Palestinian Human Rights

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 10:47 am

        @Donald:

        I doubt you are sincere–when you first came here I thought maybe you were, but the more I see you write, the less I believe you…..Societies which choose to practice apartheid by popular consent (among those who have the power)

        Donald, I also thought you are sincere and decent, and I think I wrote it to you twice. I wrote here many comments and explained why we don’t practice apartheid, but you choose to repeat this mantra. If you think Israel is an apartheid state, I can understand why my comments or me seems to you not sincere and only Hasbara. Any way, I thank you for your polite comment and the information provided in it.

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 11, 2014, 9:43 am

        MahaneYehude1

        I may be wrong, but I’m guessing I’ve read a lot more criticism of Israel from Israelis than you have, including the voluminous testimony of the IDF troops concerning their daily abominations against innocent people, published in Breaking the Silence.

        I would note however that every Israeli dissident I’m aware of—Ilan Pappe is fairly characteristic—insists that Israeli society is totally rancid and must have a resolution to the conflict imposed on them by force from a body outside Israel.

        I would also note that the population of this free and principled utopia you describe has done everything to terrorize and persecute those courageously speaking out, whether they be institutions like Bt’Selem or individuals like Levy, the subject of daily death threats. (Ilan Pappe now teaches at University of Exeter. He was forced out of Israel by his broad-minded compatriots who said they would murder his two sons if he remained.)

        Facts hurt.

        p.s. I may be misreading the tone of your post, but it seems to imply that a “Palestinian Gideon Levy” is some kind of 5 headed zebra that could never exist in nature. Is that because Palestinians are hate-filled savages incapable of self-reflection? I hope you’re aware there are many Palestinian Gideon Levys and many Palestinian Gandhis as well. A boatload of them are currently rotting in Israel’s dungeons and torture chambers as a matter of fact.

  22. Kay24
    July 10, 2014, 4:25 pm

    Wow just now Jake Tapper of CNN ripped into Diana Buttu, who speaks on Palestinian issues, and even confronted her about Palestinians wanting to be martyrs, and having roads named after such people (typical hasbara type comment) she was quick enough to remind him Israel has 42 such roads named after Israeli killers.
    He was quite rude to her, and even said that she was able to speak her “talking points” when asked her questions about why Hamas is sending rockets (he had conveniently forgotten that Israel initially started attacking Gaza when the 3 kids went missing). Tapper also forgot to mention that no Israelis had did under rocket fire as yet, and that over 80 Palestinians, many children had died under F16 heavy fire, and over 500 injured.
    I wonder if he will EVER speak to Oren, Dermer, or Regev like that.
    Jake Tapper, exposed himself for who he is, a very devoted son of Israel. It must be those birthright trips to Israel that brings out the devotion at times in all these zionists loving journalists.

    • Sumud
      July 10, 2014, 4:30 pm

      I haven’t seen the footage but apparently he went fairly hard on Regev a few days ago.

      Links anyone?

      • Shingo
        July 10, 2014, 4:51 pm

        Yes he did, but nothing like he did with Butu. They were discussing the beating of the boy, and Regev tried to make done excuse that it was a unique incident.

        Tapper cut him off and said Palestinians claim this happens all the time.

      • Kay24
        July 10, 2014, 5:24 pm

        If someone can get the link, it is worth watching. It was quite harsh.
        Diana Buttu handled it very well I must say.

    • Mooser
      July 10, 2014, 5:30 pm

      Kay24, you don’t necessarily have to go to ‘Israel’ to catch a good case of the Ziocaine Syndrome, but of course, it probably helps.

      • Sumud
        July 10, 2014, 5:42 pm

        Right you are Mooser ~ recall the dark days of 2001-2003, when the streets of America were flooded with cheap Neocaine, which is of course the classic gateway drug for Ziocaine.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2014, 7:15 pm

        “America were flooded with cheap Neocaine, which is of course the classic gateway drug for Ziocaine.”

        I’ll have to look into that “Neocaine” hypothesis. Most researchers contend PEP pills lead to a full-n Ziocaine Syndrome. But there may be other way to acquire it.

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 3:45 am

        I’ll have to look into that “Neocaine” hypothesis.

        Do – recall Ziocaine kingpin Netanyahu saying on the very day of 9/11 that the attack was “very good” for Israel and would generate “immediate sympathy”, and “strengthen the bond between our two peoples”.

        In other words, he is confident that US government-issued supplies of Neocaine would lead to increased demand for Ziocaine – that’s my take, anyway.

    • Daniel Rich
      July 10, 2014, 5:59 pm

      @ Kay24,

      Q: Jake Tapper, exposed himself for who he is,

      R: The military’s known for shooting those who abide the enemy…

      Oh, ff-ing crap… it’s our ‘special friend’ with its ‘ special needs.’

  23. Daniel Rich
    July 10, 2014, 5:56 pm

    How many diehard supporters of this monstrosity are still clapping their bloodstained hands like there’s no tomorrow?

    Where’s the ‘off switch’ to all of this?

    • seafoid
      July 11, 2014, 1:38 am

      There is no “off switch” for psychosis.

    • Sumud
      July 11, 2014, 6:18 am

      How many diehard supporters of this monstrosity are still clapping their bloodstained hands like there’s no tomorrow?

      A few dozen at least. They were planted on a hill overlooking Gaza on Wednesday night and literally clapped as the IDF rained down death and destruction.

      I kid you not. Pass the cronuts.

      As tweeted by journalist Ben White, photo c/o and confirmed by twitter user @allansorensen72

      Israelis bring chairs to hilltop in Sderot overlooking #Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard. pic.twitter.com/L7S4VQag1b via @allansorensen72

      link to twitter.com

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:20 am

        They were planted on a hill overlooking Gaza on Wednesday night and literally clapped as the IDF rained down death and destruction.

        Ah this must be all that fear and danger that Jon S has been describing to us. Those people clearly look as though they are fearing for their lives and in great danger.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:38 am

        To this day you do see the inane comments from the hasbarracuda, that Arabs on the streets cheer and hand out sweets to celebrate the deaths of Westerners etc….this is worse, and ziohypocrisy.

  24. Daniel Rich
    July 10, 2014, 6:34 pm

    A question to you all:

    For years on end I’ve been petitioning, demonstrating, calling this and that rep/person, faxed, donated, signed all sorts of things and look where I am today?

    Something’s seriously wrong with my strategy, because these unjustifiable war crimes against humanity [Palestinians] do not stop.

    What do I do wrong and how can I improve my strategy and be/come successful?

    • Justpassingby
      July 11, 2014, 3:08 am

      Daniel Rich

      What can I say, I feel exactly the same, not even the leftist parties cares today apparently.

  25. amigo
    July 10, 2014, 7:02 pm

    CNN is reporting that Abbas claims a ground invasion is imminent,AJ also reporting the same.

    Expect women carrying white flags to be shot as happened in Cast lead.

    I hope you are watching your heroes at work mehane or are you sleeping “peacefully” while Israel increases it,s litany of WAR CRIMES.

    • Walid
      July 11, 2014, 12:40 am

      “Expect women carrying white flags to be shot as happened in Cast lead.”

      Not this time, amigo, instead of women carrying white flags, expect to see TOW anti-tank missiles. A lot is happening on the ground besides the massacres that’s not being reported in the Western press to avoid demoralizing the Israeli public, such as the number of injured Israelis or the overall failure of the Iron Dome system that allowed several rockets to land next to the Knesset or on military bases and Dimona. Not talked about either are rockets reportedly launched from the West Bank and a couple from south Lebanon, most probably by Palestinians.

      Dead to date: 97 Palestinians and 1 settler.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 12:50 am

        Israel just responded to the Habaya rockets by shelling the Kfarshouba area in Lebanon. It shouldn’t go any further and probably the end of this episode.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 2:00 am

        Not this time, amigo, instead of women carrying white flags, expect to see TOW anti-tank missiles

        What makes you think they have them Walid? I know you’re much better connected in this regard. If they do have them then surely the Israelis will be prepared for them.

        I have noticed that Israel and the media has not been making a big deal about Iron Dome this time around, so I suspected it wasn’t living up to expectations.

        I have heard little about injured Israelis, but if the rockets are landing close to sensitive targets, it’s understandable that Israel would downplay it.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 3:10 am

        Not connected, Shingo, but I read a lot. All those longer range missiles have been supplied by Iran and Syria and it only stands to reason that they also got the anti-tank missiles with them. This is a replay of Lebanon 2006 that also saw Lebanon’s Hizbullah having been supplied with such weapons, including the shore to ship missile that took out Israel’s “Hanit” destroyer that was out 10km to sea and the anti-tank missiles that immobilized about 80 Merkavas.

        There are also reports of an Apache or 2 having been taken down but since these haven’t been substantiated, I didn’t make much of them. It’s tough wading through the thick propaganda on both sides with one side understating and the other overstating what’s actually happening.

        So far, over 400 tons of munitions have been dumped on Gaza with lots of it on cultivated farmlands. Since it’s a known that Israel uses the DU shit, it gives an idea what’s in store for Gaza-grown crops. Keep in mind that Israel doesn’t pay a penny for these American-supplied munitions and that it doesn’t pay for any of the fuel used by its aerial and land vehicles.

        A 4-storey building was bombed this early morning as people were having their predawn Ramadan meal, without any warning.; 5 dead and 15 injured very seriously.

        Now 98 dead and 700 injured.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 3:23 am
        All those longer range missiles have been supplied by Iran and Syria and it only stands to reason that they also got the anti-tank missiles with them.

        It will be interesting to see if the much hyped Trophy Tank defense system lives up to it’s billing against anti tank missiles or ends up being another lemon. Let’s hope it doesn’t come down to this. If Hamas inflict a bloody nose against the IDF, the Israelis will respond with their text book sadism and irrationality which will only mean bad news for the Palestinians.

        How I wished the Islamist nutters in Syria and elsewhere would get over their sectarian idiocy and realize that Shiites and them are bothers and support one another. A united Arab world would be Israel’s biggest nightmare – and Washington’s.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 3:54 am

        “Israelis will respond with their text book sadism and irrationality which will only mean bad news for the Palestinians.”

        This is a given, Shingo, Palestinians are going to get hurt very bad whatever happens. Qatar that has a huge sway with Hamas is currently talking with Israel and the US about stopping the war and of course, with the leader of Hamas that ironically is not in Gaza but living in Doha. You can expect that the Palestinians will get nothing out of all of this except for a most probable Qatari offer to rebuild what Israel has destroyed.

  26. Kay24
    July 10, 2014, 8:24 pm

    Obama trying to prevent ground operations:

    Haaretz:
    “Washington is trying to convince Israel to hold off on a ground operation in the Gaza Strip and let it try to arrange a cease-fire instead, senior American officials said yesterday.”

    Enter the good cop.

    • Shingo
      July 10, 2014, 8:48 pm

      Enter the good cop.

      Followed by a massive favor from Washington. Bibbi will probably demand Washington sabotages the nuclear deal with Iran, or even more weapons, or membership of NATO

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 12:48 am

        Shingo, if Obama plays the good cop, it will be mostly to save the IDF from embarrassing itself inside Gaza. Hamas and other resistance groups are anxiously waiting for them to enter.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 1:38 am

        Hamas and other resistance groups are anxiously waiting for them to enter.

        That’s what they said last time and then where nowhere to be seen. I don’t blame them given how overpowered they were, but there’s no point pretending that they are going to put up a fight.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 4:02 am

        They will this time, although they are still prone to making exaggerated threats that they can’t fulfill such as shooting down Apaches and F16s. I’m guessing they have been coached by the pros since their last rumble when they all ducked for cover when the Israeli entered. But you should also remember how Israel entered Gaza with the instructions to wipe open a clear path for the soldiers before they’d set foot in Gaza at no matter the cost in Palestinian casualties. That’s why they even shot women carrying a white flag and gathered a whole family in one building and blew it with everyone in it. Vicious vicious people.

  27. james3
    July 10, 2014, 8:56 pm

    “Mowing the lawn” is a chore. Murdering innocent civilians is a war crime.

    America and Israel reliably navigate the distance between heroes and criminals everyday.

  28. NoMoreIsrael
    July 10, 2014, 9:15 pm

    I’ll admit I’m a bit uncomfortable with all the condemnation of Netanyahu and his “far right party”, as though he’s some evil aberration, out of step with Israel’s otherwise moderate policies. Ben Gurion was a racist hoodlum. Golda Meir was a racist psychopath and a hoodlum. Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon we needn’t bother with and the so-called Israeli “dove” Rabin—endlessly praised by liberals—presided over the largest ethnic cleansing of Arabs in Israel’s history, the expulsions from Lyddah and Remleh. Tzipi Livni was the co-architect of the Cast Lead massacre, one of the most nauseatingly depraved criminal acts in Israel’s lengthy history. Frankly, Netanyahu seems somewhat less brutal than Livni, (whose voice never fails to send shivers down my spine).

    • Mooser
      July 11, 2014, 12:31 pm

      You know, NMI, I just file all of that under “How the hell do you think it (zionism) was done? What would it take to get you to give up and give away your house and land? An explanation of some Old Testament verses?”

  29. NoMoreIsrael
    July 10, 2014, 9:20 pm

    A Palestinian girl stands in a destroyed building following an Israeli military strike in Gaza City on July 08, 2014. (Photo: AFP PHOTO / MAHMUD HAMSMAHMUD HAMS/AFP/Getty Images)

    How many words have we expended on this tragedy? Millions? Billions?

    Is anything more than the photo at the top of this story really necessary?

    Who can support this?

    • Shingo
      July 10, 2014, 10:42 pm

      Who can support this?

      You’ve crossed the line here. Think of the suffering on the other side. Poor Jon S missed a whole half time of a World Cup match because of sirens forcing him to go into his bomb shelter.

      That’s a whole half of a game he’ll never get back.

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 10, 2014, 11:06 pm

        When the NY Times reported on the first wave of IDF bombing strikes in Gaza, the accompanying photo they chose was an Israeli woman covering her ears from an apparent air raid siren. The indignity of an air raid siren is a greater injustice than Palestinian children torn into a million pieces. Supporters of Israel, including the Times, don’t even bother TRYING to disguise their Nazism any more.

  30. piotr
    July 10, 2014, 9:28 pm

    Minority viewer: When given the choice between a Westernized country and an unreformed religion, I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time.

    EVERY TIME? It is precisely the Jews who were viewed as having an archaic, unreformed religion, unlike Germans who were much more reformed and of course, Western. Without dwelling more on that, the current status of religion is Israel is not particularly “reformed”. For example, while IDF attacks “unreformed” Gaza, inspectors in Tel Aviv are fining stores open on Saturday contrary to the wishes of Tel Aviv city council, but as instructed by the government in Jerusalem. Mind you, some European countries limit the right to open stores during weekends, but it would not be possible to connect the right to operate a store on weekend days to the religion of the store owners.

    This war was commanded by the clergy of Israel, it is a “holy war”. IDF will deliver 200 Philistine foreskins, so far there are ca. 90 hence the operation have to last several more days. Of course, they do not have to stop at 200, but it was strongly suggested that 200 is the minimum number, on the basis of a Holy Book dating to Iron Age.

  31. RobertB
    July 10, 2014, 9:29 pm

    Diane Buttu with Jake Tapper

    Diane Buttu, human rights attorney, former legal adviser to the Palestine Liberation Organization.

    link to thelead.blogs.cnn.com

    • Shingo
      July 10, 2014, 11:42 pm

      Diane Buttu with Jake Tapper

      Diane Buttu, human rights attorney, former legal adviser to the Palestine Liberation Organization.

      Thanks Robert.

      There were times I felt like ripping Tapper’s head off, but then again, it was a good interview. He was playing devil’s advocate and Butu answered superbly. She could have fired back more if her answers were better prepared, but she came out swinging and held her ground.

      On the matter of martyrdom, one could easily counter than every country honors those killed in war or victims of wars. Indeed, we often revere them and assign sainthood for their “sacrifice”.

      The only point I wish Butu had made when Tapper tried to labor the point that Hams had fired nearly 8,000 rockets over 10 years is that Israel fired that many shells into Gaza over 10 moths between September 2005 and June 2006.

      Apart from his “talking points” jab, he was respectful enough. At least she was invited to the show.

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 11, 2014, 12:17 am

        There was an awesome interview with Ilan Pappe and some British imbecile who kept interrupting him and insulting him every 5 minutes. Pappe kept his cool and his incredible intelligence and humanity shined through. Such a warm, thoughtful (and courageous) guy. I’ll never have his remarkable patience, that’s for sure.

      • RobertB
        July 11, 2014, 12:54 am

        Yes Shingo…I agree that Diane Buttu responded well to Jake Tapper’s pro-Israeli questions. She is articulate and very effective.

        And it makes me wonder who made up the questions for the interview? Was it Jake Tapper himself or was it his zionist handlers at CNN?

        I am almost sure his handlers were busy via Jake’s ear microphone insisting to stick it Ms. Buttu… I saw where he repeated a question twice. And Ms. Buttu answered each time … and pointed out to Jake that she did answer/respond the first time…etc…

        On the matter of martyrdom, Ms Buttu should have brought up Baruch Goldstein’s gravesite became a pilgrimage site for many Israelis, Jewish settlers, extremists….!!!

    • Sumud
      July 11, 2014, 3:27 am

      Wow Tapper really is an arsehole.

      He reels off one hasbara talking point after another then tells Buttu off for disputing him and that she’s using talking points, how disingenuous.

      She does very well, I’ve seen her talk several times in Melboourne – a real smart and tough cookie.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 4:32 am

        ” a real smart and tough cookie.”

        I agree, Sumud, makes you see why Abbas was pressured by the NSU into firing her and her equally superb Palestinian-American eloquent colleague, Michael Tarazi; they were too good. Abbas’ negotiating team is funded by the millions donated by the Negotiations Support Unit (NSU) that is itself controlled by the very pro-Israel Adam Smith Institute (ASI) think-tank based in London that wanted Butto and Tarazi out of the way “for going too far in defending Palestinian rights, especially during TV debates with Israeli spokesmen.”

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 6:36 am

        I never knew that Walid, I’m not surprised though. I’ll have to look up Tarazi on YT I don’t think I’m familiar with him.

        I do wonder why DB didn’t answer Tapper’s first question with a tally of the ever-increasing number of Palestinians murdered by Israel and say that Hamas believe they are acting in self-defence.

        Jen Psaki’s floundering at the State Department a few days ago demonstrates that there is no effective hasbara response to the question of why Palestinians are denied self-defence.

        It’s Kryptonite, I hope to hear that question asked all over in the next few days, especially after the ziobots deploy their latest talking point “what would Americans do if their cities were having rockets fired on them?”

        A: “Exactly the same thing Hamas are doing now, fight back!!!”

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 7:23 am

        Sumud, Michael Tarazi is now into microfinance and it’s hard to find a video of him in his younger days from about 12 years ago when he was a negotiator. There’s a current one of him as a guest on Jazeera discussing the latest Kerry failed process at 1:24 of the following video:

      • Annie Robbins
        July 11, 2014, 7:46 am

        thanks walid.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 8:03 am

        An interesting insight into the mechanics of Palestinian negotiations that have been a series of successive failures and zero results over the past 20 years, and how the Palestine Papers were leaked to al-Jazeera:

        The Palestinian Negotiating Unit

        Most official and semi-official Palestinian organizations depend on foreign funding, and the key Negotiations Support Unit (NSU) which was set up in 1999 to give legal, communications and policy advice to the Palestinian Negotiations Affairs Department was funded indirectly by the British government via ASI (Adam Smith Institute) from its inception. The unit was disbanded by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in February 2011 after it emerged that three of its employees had leaked around 1600 secret documents to Al Jazeera. [13]

        A 2008 Stabilisation Unit brochure gives an overview of ASI’s work under the heading ‘Building capacity in the Palestinian Authority':

        “ASI has been providing support to the Palestinian Authority (PA) for over a decade. Since 1999 we have assisted the PLO in preparing negotiation positions across a range of issues, from allocation and management of natural resources to complex refugees and borders issues. This project has provided Palestinian negotiators with access to high quality professional support which has transformed the nature of the negotiating process with Israel. ASI is also implementing DFID’s public administration reform programme, which aims to enable the PA to provide more efficient, transparent and fiscally sustainable service delivery commensurate with the standards of a modern democratic state.” [14]

        Khaled Amayreh, an eminent Palestinian journalist, writes:

        “Palestinian mediocrity, or even incompetence, in negotiations with Israel, is not imputed to lack of financial and human resources. The main reason may well lie in corruption at the highest levels and virtual absence of accountability. The PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) has at its disposal the services of the Negotiations Support Unit (NSU), which has received tens of million of dollars of funds, but has done very little to make Palestinian negotiators better equipped to face their Israeli counterparts.
        Just take a look at the document formulated jointly between Israel and the PA at the last minute at the Annapolis conference. This document, which the NSU helped formulate, was completely void of any call for ending the manifestly criminal blockade of Gaza, the removal of Israeli checkpoints and roadblocks in the West Bank or release of Palestinian prisoners from Israeli dungeons and detention camps. Moreover, not a word was mentioned about freezing Israeli settlement expansions. The NSU is funded and effectively controlled by the Adam Smith Institute (ASI), a think-tank based in London which is vulnerable to pressure from pro- Israeli circles. For example, two years ago, the ASI forced the NSU to fire two highly-qualified Palestinian-American lawyers, Michael Tarazi and Diana Butto, for going too far in defending Palestinian rights, especially during TV debates with Israeli spokesmen. According to inside sources, one of the persons who pushed for firing the two Palestinian-American lawyers is Glenn Robinson, the author or co-author of the controversial RAND project “The Arc: A Formal Structure for a Palestinian State”. Eventually, Tarazi and Butto were accused by pro-Israeli lobbyists, including some British MPs, of hindering the development of the Palestinian Ministry of Information and of not ensuring sufficient coordination with the PLO. Of course, these accusations were merely red herrings.”

        ASI defines itself as the UK’s leading innovator of practical market economic policies. The institute’s main focus is on reforming governments and state enterprises in order to promote choice, competition, and user-focus. It works through research, reports, conferences, advice and media debate.

        Since 1999, ASI relegated nearly $50 million to the Ramallah-based NSU despite the fact that NSU staff and employees were sitting in their homes, doing nothing, since the peace process was paralysed.

        A British diplomat based in Israel explained why the British government, which pays the lion’s share of the NSU budget, and other donors, continued to pay all these millions to the ASI and NSU, despite the international boycott of the Palestinians from March 2006 to June 2007. “We were hoping that negotiations would be resumed anytime.” But, the main problem lies with the Palestinian Authority itself and its relations with the NSU, mostly based on cronyism and nepotism. The author sought to contact the NSU in Ramallah, but received a hostile response. One lady told me “why don’t you go and negotiate with Israel. Maybe you could do a better job.”[15]

        link to powerbase.info

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:44 am

        She is doing the Palestinians a great service by representing them in such a impressive manner. I love the way she speak, so calm, and to the point.
        I have been impressed with Maen Erakeit, Ambassador for the PLO too.
        They are great in bringing out excellent points to counter the crap on the other side.

  32. Daniel Rich
    July 10, 2014, 10:15 pm

    If this [Ukrainian] transcript is anything to go by, I’ve little hope the ‘international community’ will do what’s necessary to be done.

  33. Kay24
    July 10, 2014, 10:41 pm

    Chris Hayes had a very interesting commentary today. I just managed to watch the last few minutes. If someone has a link, I would appreciate. It was a great comparison to the suffering of the Palestinians, and that they are human too. Chris Hayes, has had a more balanced coverage to this situation, unlike his counterparts. Hope he stays this way.

    • German Lefty
      July 11, 2014, 4:26 am

      All In 07/10/14
      Chris Hayes’s commentary on Israel and Hamas
      link to msnbc.com

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:08 am

        Thank you GL, I was really interested in watching it. :))

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 8:24 am

        Well how about that!

        I confess it brought tears to my eyes to hear an American broadcast journalist speak with such humanity & empathy about the immense suffering Israel inflicts on Palestinians.

        Without stating it explicitly he also rejects as bullshit Israeli hasbara and it’s endless justification for murdering innocents.

        I’m impressed.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 9:15 am

        I agree, we so rarely see this kind of perspective and coverage, that we feel grateful and also surprised.
        Thank you Chris Hayes.
        I wish I knew how to write and thank him, but it is hard to get any contact info.

      • Sumud
        July 11, 2014, 9:24 am

        Hi Kay24 ~ I haven’t looked yet but he might be on twitter. If I come across any contact details I’ll post them here – I was thinking along similar lines. It takes guts to speak some truths and he should know it’s appreciated.

      • German Lefty
        July 11, 2014, 2:30 pm

        I wish I knew how to write and thank him, but it is hard to get any contact info.

        Chris Hayes on Twitter: @chrislhayes
        link to twitter.com
        “All In with Chris Hayes” on Twitter: @allinwithchris
        link to twitter.com
        Hashtag for “All In with Chris Hayes” on Twitter: #inners
        “All In with Chris Hayes” on Facebook: link to facebook.com

      • AlGhorear
        July 11, 2014, 2:55 pm

        He’s on Twitter @ChrisHayesTV

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 11, 2014, 11:33 am

        I’m afraid I’ll have to disagree. Maybe this would have been a valuable piece 20 years ago. I’m sick of it. I’m sick of people looking at the camera with their earnest faces and repeating Israel’s vomit that they don’t deliberately target civilians, when thousands of cases are on record of them doing precisely that. The United Nations provides the IDF with the exact coordinates of UN food warehouses and Israel repeatedly bombs them. and so on and so forth. The Palestinian civilian population IS the resistance, so it’s really quite disgusting to suggest Israel does not target them.

        A few truths embedded in a web of lies is no good any more.

        ok ok ok …I managed to watch the piece to the end and I have to admit that compared to the rest of the dreck on television, it’s pretty good. I would have gone a LOT further in my condemnation of israel, but of course, I’d never be allowed into the lobby of the MSNBC building!

      • German Lefty
        July 12, 2014, 5:11 pm

        @ AlGhorear (no reply button)

        He’s on Twitter @ChrisHayesTV

        No! That’s a DIFFERENT Chris Hayes. There’s more than one Chris Hayes on TV. MSNBC’s Chris Hayes is here: @chrislhayes

  34. Nite_Owl
    July 10, 2014, 11:11 pm

    This is just the latest in a long string of Israeli pogroms leading to the eventual ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people not only from Palestine but from human history as well. A growing voice from within Israel and from it’s Hasbara outlets worldwide has for some time been declaring that there never was a Palestine or a Palestinian people despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. This is no different than Holocaust denial or Nakba denial if you will which, if memory serves, Israel is actually trying to enshrine into law. Is there any thread of the mantle of their former oppressors that Israelis are not willing to weave into their own cloak?

    • Shingo
      July 10, 2014, 11:45 pm

      A growing voice from within Israel and from it’s Hasbara outlets worldwide has for some time been declaring that there never was a Palestine or a Palestinian people despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

      It’s hardly new, and I doubt it’s growing seeing as it’s utterly irrelevant.

      The next time you see that crap posted anywhere, you might want to cite Pierre Orts, chairman of Mandate Commission of the League Of Nations:

      “Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State , though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.”
      – See more at: link to unispal.un.org
      /0/FD05535118AEF0DE052565ED0065DDF7#sthash.Njl4TjL6.dpufhttp://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/FD05535118AEF0DE052565ED0065DDF7

      In one swoop, Orts debunks both claims.

      • Nite_Owl
        July 11, 2014, 12:20 am

        Thanks for the info. Perhaps in place of “A growing voice from within Israel and from it’s Hasbara outlets worldwide” I might have said “Oft repeated in a growing number of venues by a small but dedicated group of government and NGO, paid and volunteer propagandists.” Sorry.

    • Citizen
      July 11, 2014, 9:45 am

      @ Nite_Owl
      RT says Israel is now engaged in its final solution to the Palestinian question.

  35. Taxi
    July 11, 2014, 12:29 am

    Oh dear, all them Iranian and Syrian missiles falling on the zio effers in occupied Palestine happened on bibi’s watch. How awfully wonderful. I can hear Teharan and Damascus laughing their tits off.

    We know that the diabolically racist israelis are killing unarmed Gaza civilians from their cowardly Apache helicopters and F-35’s. Let’s see how many idf gestapos will get killed in their planned land invasion of Gaza. Let’s count how many will get kidnapped. All on bibi’s watch.

    Let’s see how long it takes for the abhorrent blood-splashed israelis to start begging their UN friends to arrange for a ceasefire after the first idf soldier dies in Gaza.

    I have my stopwatch ready.

    • Walid
      July 11, 2014, 1:58 am

      Already one dead settler and a couple of soldiers injured, Taxi. With the barrage of 9 rockets that just fell on Ashdod and set the gas station on fire, there are several others reported injured by Channel 2. As you said, a ground invasion is going to be costly to Israel. I think Obama has given Netanyahu a notice that he’s a got a few days left to finish his shit before he’d forced to stop, something like what happened in Lebanon in 2006 when Israel was given a few extra days by the US to try to finish off Hizbullah and pepper the countryside with a couple of million cluster bombs while it stalled finalizing the wording on the UNSC cease-fire resolution.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 2:13 am

        I think Obama has given Netanyahu a notice that he’s a got a few days left to finish his shit before he’d forced to stop, something like what happened in Lebanon in 2006

        As I recall Walid, the US gave them more than a few days, but more like a few weeks. There was the episode where Signiora was sobbing and Rice patted him on the head along with the “birthpangs of democracy” comment. Then there was the episode where Olmert interrupted Dubya mid speech to order him to tell Rice not to sign on to the ceasefire resolution the US themselves had drafted. Olmert went on to brag about how he was able to order Bush around.

        It was only when the IDF body count started piling up that the Israelis agreed to a ceasefire.

        As for finishing off Hezbollah, the Olmert government gave up on that claim after a few weeks when they knew they had no chance, so they downgraded their goals to stopping rockets, and when that failed, they downgraded the aims to merely slowing the rocket attacks.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 3:29 am

        Olmert wanted out after a week of destruction figuring that this had been punishment enough, but the US and the Gulfies wouldn’t let him stop because it had been their one and only chance to get rid of Hizbullah. The actual cease-fire had been concluded on about the 27th day of the war and Bolton did his song and dance routine with the wording of the resolution at the UN during a full week before the deal took effect on the 34th day.

        They have given up trying to take out Hizbullah militarily and now are using the International Tribunal for the Hariri assassination to pin the assassination on it but after 3 years and a cost of $150 million, there’s still no factual evidence whatever of Hizbullah having had anything to do with the assassination. BTW, Hariri was Hizbullah’s biggest single contributor and overall patron, which had put him in America’s doghouse at the time of his killing, which makes the accusation absurd to begin with.

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 11, 2014, 11:45 am

        Netanyahu tells Obama what to do. Never the other way around.

    • Shingo
      July 11, 2014, 2:03 am

      Let’s see how many idf gestapos will get killed in their planned land invasion of Gaza. Let’s count how many will get kidnapped. All on bibi’s watch.

      What makes you think it will be different this time compared to 2008, when Hamas were nowhere to be found?

      Let’s see how long it takes for the abhorrent blood-splashed israelis to start begging their UN friends to arrange for a ceasefire after the first idf soldier dies in Gaza.

      Come on Taxi, this is Hamas we’re talking about not Hezbollah.

      • Taxi
        July 11, 2014, 2:31 am

        This war is different, Shingo.

        Hamas in 2014 is using 2006 Hizbollah tactics. Smart of them. Hizbollah buried it’s armory in tunnels and all over the wastelands in south Lebanon – so have hamas: they’ve buried EVERYTHING underground all over Gaza. Hamas in the past couple of years have managed to smuggle in and bury thousands of rockets and missiles with such utter stealth and secrety that not even the residents of Gaza knew about it – this is pure hizbollism. Plus hamas has really cleaned up gaza from informants in the past couple of years. That’s why israel has no intelligence on the whereabouts of hamas rocket/missile stocks and launch locations in Gaza. Bibi needs to go into Gaza so can find at least ONE launch location or arms depot to destroy. Otherwise he’s gonna get slaughtered in the israeli political arena for allowing Syrian and Iranian missiles, fired by resisting Palestinians, to land on israel for the first time ever.

        By the way, hizbollah yesterday hinted that they are ready to step in to help the Palestinians if it starts to look like an israeli ground invasion to locate and destroy Palestinian missiles/rockets is really just a cover for ethnic cleansing/Nakba part 2.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 3:09 am

        Burying rockets is one thing Taxi, but facing off against the IDF is quite another. Hamas just don’t have the discipline, the training or the arms to do it. Plus there is no comparison in terms of the control of the territorial advantage Hezbollah enjoy.

        I’ll be surprised if Hamas is anything more than a nuisance during a ground invasion. As for Hezbollah, I wouldn’t read to much into it. There is no way they are going to be drawn into this conflict, where they have no obvious strategic outcome.

        In fact, there was this report back in March that Nasrallah sent reassurances to Israel last year that Lebanon’s southern border is safe and thus no desire for a conflict with Israel.
        link to haaretz.com

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 4:34 am

        Barrage of rockets falling on “Dan Gush” and a huge explosion has shut down Ben Gurion airport.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 5:30 am

        Barrage of rockets falling on “Dan Gush” and a huge explosion has shut down Ben Gurion airport.

        Holy shit!

        I wonder if this was intentional? Striking airfields would probably be their most effective way of putting an end to bombing raids.

      • Taxi
        July 11, 2014, 5:24 am

        Shingo,

        Hizbollah won’t be “drawn” into just any old “conflict”, but they will react militarily to a blatant act of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians – Nassrallah said so much in a speech a few months ago and it’s been repeated so many times now that this policy has become common knowledge this side of the world.

        Hamas may not be as “disciplined” as hizbollah fighters are, but they’re learning from the masterful hizbollah instructors: it’s no secret around here that hizbollah has been training both hamas and the golan resistance. We know for sure that hizbollah has passed on their knowledge of how to destroy israeli markavas – so if the israelis want to go into Gaza with their markavas, well…. SURP-RIIIIIISE!!!

        And regarding the report in haaretz that you link to. Sorry I didn’t open it for the chuckles your summation gave me. Nassrallah would NEVER give a drop of comfort or succor to his sworn enemies: the very people who have destroyed, tortured, maimed and killed approx 250.000 Lebanese, including his own beloved son. It’s a joke to even think that Hizbollah has even any ‘channels’ to israel’s ruling elite, and that hostilities between the two would cease for even just a nano second for either of them to entertain such a thought. This ridiculous story is probably designed for the struggling israeli tourism industry in the Galilee – the very Galilee that Nassrallah has said he aims to liberate from the thieving zionist invaders.

        Shingo, in times of war, I don’t distinguish between Palestinian resistance groups: hamas, fatah, islamic jihad and all the other smaller localized resistance groups – they’re all Palestinian to me. Today I feel nothing but a loud 100% support for all Palestinian resistance activities against the israeli occupation and it’s current criminal assault. I support all resisting Palestinians equally and I say to them: fight the mother effing isaeli gestapo – fight them today with everything you have cuz they’re only gonna kill you and your children tomorrow.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:14 am

        Hizbollah won’t be “drawn” into just any old “conflict”, but they will react militarily to a blatant act of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

        I have always admired your optimism Taxi, but this scenario ain’t gonna happen, and for good reason.

        Nassrallah’s first priority is his people and land. He already has his hands full with the Jihadists in Syria, so he doesn’t need to take on a no win situation which could lead to Southern Lebanon being flattened again. If he has vowed to to take back the Galilee, then that rings hollow. He’s a wise and shrewd leader, but if he was serious, he would have done it by now.

        You might be right about the Haaretz article, but it would not be a stretch for Nassrallah to have backdoor avenues to convey messages to the Israelis. If Hamas can get messages though to the Israeli leadership, so can Hezbollah.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 7:06 am

        This is in response to Walid and Shingo, if Ben Gurion airport is shut down, then I say that is for the 25 children who have been brutally killed.
        Ben Gurion shut down would be such an “annoyance” for the baby killers.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:16 am

        Ben Gurion shut down would be such an “annoyance” for the baby killers.

        More than that Kay, Ben Gurion airport has always held a special significance to Israel. It has symbolic meaning as it represents their sense of independence, modernity and link to the outside world.

      • Citizen
        July 11, 2014, 9:21 am

        @ Shingo

        HAMAS militia have now undergone training by Hezbollah, including how to stop, harm an Israeli tank. This is a first.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:20 pm

        HAMAS militia have now undergone training by Hezbollah, including how to stop, harm an Israeli tank. This is a first.

        That may be true, but it’s not going to be the same outcome as Lebanon 2006. Apartr from being outstanding fighters, very disciplined and fearless, Hezbollah have a significant advantage that Hamas do not have. They have access to all the weapons and materials they need and they wield absolute control of their own territory. Hamas do not have these options.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 9:30 am

        “Ben Gurion shut down would be such an “annoyance” for the baby killers.”

        Regrettably, the shutting down was only momentary; but take heart, the day isn’t over yet and the war is just starting.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 9:48 am

        ” If he has vowed to to take back the Galilee, then that rings hollow.”

        Shingo, the Sayyid never talks hollow, I remember reading in Haaretz in 2006 how Israelis looked forward to seeing and hearing his almost daily accounting of events during the war because they did not trust their leaders to tell the truth and they knew that Nasrallah speaks nothing but the truth. It wasn’t that they liked him or anything like that, but they knew that whatever he said, it was the truth and he meant every word of it.

        To get back to the Galilee statement, a bit of context to the statement would be of help. He did not say that he would take it but that he would take the fight to it, if and only if Israel dared try to set foot inside Lebanon again. It was not a threat but a promise. He also promised that if ever again Israel tried to impose a blockade of Lebanon, Hizbullah would close down all of Israel ports and declare open season on any shipping heading to or coming out of Israel and it’s a fact that he’s got the hardware to do it as Israel discovered with its “Hanit” in 2006 that was almost sunk and had to spend 3 years in a Haifa dry dock being repaired.

        Nasrallah also said that he would never attempt to liberate Palestine as this was a task for the Palestinians and that he’d be ready to respect any agreement that the Palestinians would sign with Israel.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 7:17 pm

        I remember reading in Haaretz in 2006 how Israelis looked forward to seeing and hearing his almost daily accounting of events during the war because they did not trust their leaders to tell the truth and they knew that Nasrallah speaks nothing but the truth.

        I remember that too Walid, and by an large, I agree Nasrallah does not bluff.

        It wasn’t that they liked him or anything like that, but they knew that whatever he said, it was the truth and he meant every word of it.

        He did not say that he would take it but that he would take the fight to it, if and only if Israel dared try to set foot inside Lebanon again. It was not a threat but a promise.

        That makes much more sense and yes I agree he is not bluffing in that regard. Hezbollah’s strength lies in it’s ability to counter attack and resist attacks. It does not have the means to launch a war of aggression as such, at least not against Israel.

        Nasrallah also said that he would never attempt to liberate Palestine as this was a task for the Palestinians and that he’d be ready to respect any agreement that the Palestinians would sign with Israel.

        That too makes much more sense.

      • seafoid
        July 11, 2014, 5:41 am

        link to haaretz.com

        “11:45 A.M. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says there can be no normalizing of Turkish-Israeli ties as long as Israel continues its offensive in Gaza. Erdogan told Israel late Thursday, “You have to end this oppression. As long as it does not end, a normalizing of ties between Turkey and Israel is not possible.” “

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 5:53 am

        Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says there can be no normalizing of Turkish-Israeli ties as long as Israel continues its offensive in Gaza.

        While we may have believed him in 2009, we know better than to believe anything this man says. He’s a two faced crook and when it comes to Israel/Turkish relations behind the scenes, it’s been business as usual the whole time.

      • Justpassingby
        July 11, 2014, 6:36 am

        Oh just shut it erdogan!
        erdogan have no problem working with Israel.

      • Citizen
        July 11, 2014, 9:17 am

        Erdogan is running for reelection, so naturally he announced Israel must end its occupation to be treated as a normal nation state. No average person who lives near the Middle East, or in the Middle East, except Israeli Jews, thinks Israel wears the white hat.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 10:34 am

        seafoid, Erdogan’s outburst is a case of noblesse oblige, he’s is a Brother, like the Hamas people and he feels a duty to speak out for them. Remember when he rushed to share the stage with the Brothers in Tahrir after Mubarak fell and was told by them to go back home? More like a Big Brother that’s in need of fans for his neo-ottoman economic empire. He screwed up backing the wrong horses in Syria and lost $5 billion in joint trade with it simply because they were Brothers. Now he’s playing with the Iraqis’nerves by sporadically shutting off their water.

      • Citizen
        July 11, 2014, 9:23 am

        @ Taxi
        Yes, all true. Further, HAMAS has now been trained by Hizbollah, e.g., how to stop an Israeli tank.

      • NoMoreIsrael
        July 11, 2014, 11:51 am

        Hezbollah with assistance from Syria and possibly Iran could do serious damage to Israel. The important thing is not necessarily to demolish Israel, but to create enough panic that there will be a major outmigration of Jews from the region, foreign investment will be too afraid to set up shop there and Jews of the diaspora will find the place too hazardous to visit. Then the toxic peat bog known as Israel starts to dry up.

    • Citizen
      July 11, 2014, 9:42 am

      @ Taxi
      I wasn’t aware anybody is currently armed with operational F-35s. I don know that those jets have been a cooperative cost production between US and EU states, and that US has cut Israel in on getting them for free.

  36. Walid
    July 11, 2014, 1:32 am

    Israel’s Channel 2 reporting several settlers injured when a rocket slammed into a gas station and set it on fire.

    • Pat Nguyen
      July 11, 2014, 1:58 am

      Walid,
      That you define those who live within 1948 Israel as settlers betrays your cause

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 11:48 am

        Pat, when I first wrote it, I didn’t get that it was in Ashdod. But in any event, what are the differences between settlers, squatters, colonialists, or usurpers? BTW, what’s the hocus-pocus with the Vietnamese surname?

        You should be happy that at least after I found out the exact location of the gas station, I referred to it as Ashdod rather than Isdud. You should look up the history of Isdud that was NOT in the initially partitioned area of Jewish Palestine, so technically I wouldn’t be incorrect in calling the residents there “settlers”.

        Isdud represents one of the villages referred to by Moshe Dayan, who said in 1969 in a talk to Jewish students in Haifa:

        “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

      • Pat Nguyen
        July 11, 2014, 5:40 pm

        What are you going to call Israeli residents of Ashod if and when the 2 states for 2 peoples deal gets done?

    • Citizen
      July 11, 2014, 9:18 am

      @ Walid
      I read one 70 yr old Israeli man was injured by that booming of the gas station.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 11:55 am

        It was a huge fire that burned for most of the day and covered by
        Channel 2. According to the the journalist covering it, there were several casualties but as you know, Israel lies to its people about such events.

  37. Basilio
    July 11, 2014, 4:30 am

    The reality is that Israeli lives are viewed as more important than that of Palestinian lives by far. There’s no doubt about it, and Al Qaeda didn’t do the Palestinians any favors when they attacked on September 11th. Yes, I know some claim it was a false-flag attack. Regardless, the various attacks by Islamic extremists doesn’t help when you have so many in the United States who are woefully ignorant when it comes to the world. Only 18% of Americans take the side of the Palestine. It’s better than say 7%, which was where it was at in 2001, but far from where it needs to be. I would like to see it go past the record of 20%. The US is afraid to criticize Israel because of the lobbyists who have so much clout. You know which lobby I am referring to. And, in turn, the UN is limited in its criticism. Both the US and UN say Israel has security concerns and what not, but they never say that for the Palestinians. Israel can round up hundreds of men, kill some people, including two minors, and Hamas people and people who were previously released and the Palestinians have no right to respond. Only the Israelis have the right to respond. It’s like being bullied and accepting the fact that others are saying it’s okay that someone wants to bully you. You appeal to the higher authorities, and they don’t protect you nor do they help you.

    • Justpassingby
      July 11, 2014, 6:35 am

      +1

      You are right, the racism against arabs makes the massacre of palestinians possible.

    • Citizen
      July 11, 2014, 8:56 am

      You are right. Certainly many Americans have no clue there’s as many Jewish Israelis that look exactly like Palestinians as those Israeli government spokes folks who always look white (and they speak very good English) I would only add the main media in US greatly enhance the American public’s ignorance. I add only that the US mainstream media (what only 5 mega corporations now, providing 90% of all public news, especially about the Middle East and all but maybe one controlled and dominated by Jewish Zionists?) slants what news the US public gets so much, who thinks Diane Sawyer made an innocent, dumb mistake, and who informed among us thinks it was just typical the way the news and pics she gave us was so biased and misinforming? And, on that thought, how many Americans have ever been told the truth about the key motive for the 9/11 attack? It’s actually specifically in the bowels of the 9/11 Commission’s findings for public release, though with that document’s end conclusion the original specific findings on motive are reduced to a generic motive, i.e., all US foreign policy invites blowback.

  38. yonah fredman
    July 11, 2014, 8:05 am

    There is no comparison of the terror that the Palestinians in Gaza are undergoing and the alarms that are disrupting Israeli lives. Donald’s comparison to midwest tornadoes is apt. (Yet tornadoes are not manmade, but these alarms and rockets are manmade.)

    Israel’s reaction to the Fatah Hamas reconciliation was at the root of the current exchange of (unequal) fire. (leaving aside the murders of the two Palestinians on Nakba day as a root cause) after the kidnapping of the Jewish teen settlers, Netanyahu (Bibi for short) decided to use it as an excuse to round up Hamas people in the territories. This led to rocket fire from Gaza. This led to the Israeli reaction to the rocket fire. Bibi wishes to undo the backsliding that occurred before his regaining of power: that is the elections of 2006 in which hamas was allowed to participate, he wishes to put that genie back in the bottle. (Bibi’s thinking: “How is it that al sisi can suppress the Muslim Brotherhood, but I am not allowed to suppress Hamas? This makes no sense.) And thus now is the time to put that genie back in the bottle. (I’ve read that Hamas is hard up these days. And this is the cause of their miscalculation or gamble. I don’t know enough about the situation in Gaza, economic or political.) But it is natural that Hamas (Gaza) would react to the Israeli crackdown on Hamas (West Bank).

    • Justpassingby
      July 11, 2014, 9:21 am

      Yonah

      Very good text!

      Gaza is ignored by abbas, arab states, west, well everybody. Wouldnt surprise me of sisi start aiding Israel (maybe he already does!) in their warcrimes!

    • Walid
      July 11, 2014, 12:05 pm

      Yonah, I can’t help thinking that the killing of the 3 teenagers could be the work of Israel. I’m not saying it is, since I don’t really know who did it, and it could be the work of Hamas or some other group, but based on the inhuman track record of Israel, one cannot discount that probability.

      • yonah fredman
        July 11, 2014, 12:14 pm

        Walid- Some people don’t believe that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. I don’t discuss the news with such people. Have a nice day.

      • Walid
        July 11, 2014, 12:24 pm

        Get off your high horse, Yonah, I was clear in saying it “COULD” be Israel as I don’t actually know who did it and that it could be Hamas. Are you actually pretending that Israel is above such low tactics?

      • yonah fredman
        July 11, 2014, 12:28 pm

        Walid- Okay. Don’t have a nice day.

  39. Citizen
    July 11, 2014, 8:38 am

    The rockets from Gaza are nothing, just fireworks to watch on a Sderot roof with iced tea in hand (meanwhile, Palestinian death rate is now over 100, and wounded, over 670, with Obama pleading for restraint from both sides and offering to handle cease fire (not using Kerry I hope since he’s so ineffectual), and Bibi proclaiming he has no intent to do a cease fire. Why should he? It’s not like the US will not veto the next attempt in UN to make Israel accountable, nor will the US simply stop gifting Israel spare parts to maintain Israel’s F-16s (also gifted), nor, of course, stop that $8.5 M per day US gives to Israel.
    Allan Sørensen @allansorensen72
    Sderot cinema. Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard. twitter.com/allansorensen7…

    BTW, “the rocket attacks from Gaza” are the favorite justification on FB for Israel’s final solution to the Palestinian problem.

    • Pat Nguyen
      July 11, 2014, 5:36 pm

      If the Gaza rockets are so meaningless, why is so much effort and valuable resources devoted to their launch?

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 10:39 pm

        If the Gaza rockets are so meaningless, why is so much effort and valuable resources devoted to their launch?

        What effort and valuable resources are devoted to their launch?

      • Citizen
        July 12, 2014, 3:24 am

        Ineffectual is not the same as meaningless.

      • Citizen
        July 12, 2014, 5:46 am

        @ Pat Nguyen

        Here, I will let Miko Peled answer your question:
        “The siege on Gaza has to be lifted. If Israel doesn’t like the Qassam rockets coming out of Gaza, Israel knows what to do, because this is a response to the Israeli occupation. This is the response to the Israeli brutal oppression of Palestinians for almost seven decades. So, again, it’s important to put this in perspective and not to treat this like it’s an isolated issue. And again, Mohammed Omer is 45 minutes away from me, and he has no access to clean drinking water. Families don’t know what to do once the bombs start falling. They have no shelters. They can’t escape. Israel has locked them in this massive prison. And I don’t know what kind of expectation there is that the Palestinians would just sit there in Gaza and not respond, and not respond with any kind of violence. You know, being as ineffective as these Qassam rockets are, at least they’re some expression of anger and some desire to be noticed.”
        Incitement Comes From The Top–Miko Peled: link to democracynow.org

  40. can of worms
    July 11, 2014, 9:00 am

    “kidnapping of the Jewish teen settlers”. No, yonah, alleged kidnapping.

    It is becoming increasingly important to understand the possibility of ‘terror’ under a false flag, in order to establish satisfactory means of prevention and investigation. We are behind on this end. Terror is currently too easily pinned on already stereotyped and vilified groups, and when it is, it reinforces popular racism. Above all (see Basilio’s comment above, as well) there is no reason whatsoever to accept any government’s unsubstantiated narratives.

  41. Citizen
    July 11, 2014, 9:14 am

    As of 11:40 P.M, yesterday, the spokesman of the military wing of Islamic Jihad, Abu Ahmad, said that “what is happening right now is a war of nerves.”

    “The factions in Gaza are not going to surrender but to carry on fighting. Netanyahu is talking, but we aren’t impressed by his words. We aren’t worried. We are working quietly and calmly, according to the strategy we set for ourselves. I am not revealing secrets here. We will escalate our responses if Israel escalates its aggression. We will escalate both by rocket fire and other means.”

    He added that “the factions fired 300 rockets so far, but we have many more. There is total cooperation between the military wings, exchange of opinions, and joint strategy. The ball is currently in Israel’s court. We won’t agree to less than a cessation of all Israeli aggression in Gaza, and a complete removal of the blockade of the Gaza Strip.” (Jack Khoury).

  42. Walid
    July 11, 2014, 9:23 am

    A sad Gaza story straight out of W. Somerset Maugham and the Babylonian Talmud. A young lad whose parents had been killed in Israel’s 2012 bombing was injured in the current bombing was taken to the hospital. While there, the hospital was hit and he was sent home in an ambulance. That night, Israel bombed his home and he was killed.

    • Kay24
      July 11, 2014, 9:36 am

      That is indeed so sad Walid. What a horrible story. I feel for that poor man and his family. It bugs me that my tax money is helping these vile criminals inflict such suffering and pain on these helpless people. If the media did not help protect these insufferable zionists, and the American people were told the truth, and shown the pictures, there would be many Americans who would be mad too. I guess this is why the zionist narrative is presented over and over again. I am tired of seeing American journalists fiddling for Israel, and constantly overlooking the Palestinian people.
      Right now Wolf Blitzer, the ex AIPAC, and former Reuters correspondent in Tel Aviv, is reporting from the hotspots, and who here expects him to be honest in his reporting? Actually it is funny that CNN thinks he will be credible.

    • seafoid
      July 11, 2014, 9:46 am

      That is sad, Walid, but what is sadder is what Israel is doing to Judaism. There won’t be much left once the Zionist virus has iterated itself to its logical conclusion.

      • RoHa
        July 11, 2014, 11:35 am

        “That is sad, Walid, but what is sadder is what Israel is doing to Judaism.”

        What! A boy first lost his parents, and then was killed himself. That is a far greater loss than the end of Judaism would be. You may not agree with me that the world would be a better place without Judaism, but do you really think that bunch of odd beliefs, old stories, and silly rituals is more important than a boy’s life?

    • Sumud
      July 11, 2014, 10:10 am

      That was an assassination. You don’t get hit on 3 occasions in a matter of days by Israel and it’s a coincidence.

  43. Basilio
    July 11, 2014, 9:31 am

    We need more BDS to counteract more of Israel’s political BS and war crimes. It’s one major way to change the political balance sheet. The US cannot stop groups and people from supporting BDS. Whether you believe in two-states or one-state, it doesn’t matter. Israel doesn’t really believe in two-states in a real sense, so support BDS. Israel kills and makes excuses. What do people watching a World Cup game have to do with terrorism? Israel should be at the top of the list when it comes to terrorism. Hamas is an amateur compared to Israel.

  44. Walid
    July 11, 2014, 10:38 am

    Mosque was just hit and ambulances are bringing the 16 injured or killed to the hospital.

  45. Walid
    July 11, 2014, 12:09 pm

    Netanyahu’s press conference that was in progress a few minutes ago was suddenly stopped with news of incoming missiles from Gaza. 3 Fajr 5 missiles were lobbed for the first time aimed at Tel Aviv while the press conference was in progress.

  46. Walid
    July 11, 2014, 12:16 pm

    Lebanese authorities have already arrested the Palestinians responsible for the katyushas fired into Israel this morning. One of the rockets misfired severely injuring one of them; from the Nahar with photo of the injured Palestinian all bandaged-up:

    A third rocket failed to launch because of a technical malfunction in the area of Ain Arab at around 2:00 am. The rocket exploded while still on its launchpad, NNA said.

    According to Voice of Lebanon radio (93.3), the Lebanese army found military gear and blood stains in the area.

    The ISF Intelligence Bureau later arrested Hussein Azza Atweh in the town of al-Habarieh.

    He was severely wounded while firing a rocket towards Israel at dawn, reported MTV.

    VDL (93.3) later said that the suspect is a member of an extremist group, confessing that he was accompanied by two Palestinians when firing the rockets.

    The army said it also defused two more rockets at the scene.

    Security forces and the army drew a tight dragnet in the two areas to search for the suspects standing behind the attack.

    No one immediately claimed responsibility for it.

    The Israeli army retaliated by firing about a dozen artillery shells on the outskirts of Kfarshouba and surrounding areas.

    Army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner said artillery units had fired a barrage at “suspicious positions” sighted over the border.

    A Lebanese security source said “no one was hurt, the shelling hit the fields, not houses.

    “The situation at the border is now calm, and one man has been detained by the security forces for questioning,” said the source.

    NNA identified the suspect as Samir Hussein Abou Qais, who hails from the town of al-Habariya.

    It said the ISF Intelligence Branch arrested him after finding blood stains inside the Renault Rapid he was driving.

    The ISF suspected that the person behind the failed missile launch in Ain Arab had used the car to escape.

    link to naharnet.com

  47. RobertB
    July 11, 2014, 12:42 pm

    ON RT —- Target: Gaza

    CrossTalking with Dan Arbell, Norman Finkelstein and Mouin Rabbani.

    link to rt.com

  48. Elliot
    July 11, 2014, 10:31 pm

    How do you know? you got your impression since you visit MW and maybe other anti-Zionist sites. Those sites always emphasize on the “dark side” of the Israeli society, make you believe that this side is the majority.

    Several minutes ago, I saw a ten meters long sign written by pupils, on the wall of the Jewish-Arab school “Hand in Hand” near Beit Safafa in Jerusalem says “نرفض ان نكون اعداء” ” מסרבים להיות אויבים” means “(we) refuse to be enemies”*. This kind of sign is only one example of the things from Israel you won’t see in those sites.

    (*Elliot – please, confirm. The school is opposite to Faradus, in the way to Gilo).

    (I am unable to post comments within the thread, so I copied the whole thing here).

    Gilo is a settlement with the modern facilities that are the birthright of Jewish Jerusalemites. Bet Safafa is yet another neglected East Jerusalem Palestinian village. Just drive through its alleyways and streets.

    I marched from West Jerusalem to Sheikh Jarrah under that sign. I was lucky it was the week that the Israeli police did not attack the marchers.

    We are not going to help you cover up Israel’s nakedness by spending time talking about this or that fig leaf. You can shout “anti-Semitism” until you are blue in the face. Nobody outside your bubble is buying it.

    • MahaneYehude1
      July 12, 2014, 12:14 am

      @Elliot:

      Thanks for your confirmation.

      You can shout “anti-Semitism” until you are blue in the face. Nobody outside your bubble is buying it.

      Sorry??? Did I mention anti-Semitism???

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 2:07 am

        Sorry??? Did I mention anti-Semitism???

        link to mondoweiss.net

        Philip Weiss,

        For the second time, I call you, please, to close this site. this site, especially the comment sections, became anti-Semitic and terror supporter. Many people here don’t want to promote peace and to see the end of the Israeli-Arab conflict, but to see the end of Israel as an independent state. Reading in this site, one can not find any balance and criticism against the Palestinian terror and incitement, only “facts” against Israel, many of them are pure lies.

        If you are an honest man, want peace and care about human rights, please, close this site and don’t allow people here attack my nation and my homeland.

        Regards

        yep, that was you mehane.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 12, 2014, 2:22 am

        @Annie:

        I wrote a message to Elliot and I didn’t mention anti-Semitism. Anyway, thanks you show again my appeal to Philip Weiss since it is still relevant.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 3:05 am

        you’re welcome. yes i agree it’s relevant to show your history imploring phil to shut down the site w/accusation of anti semitism and support for terror. i think it’s clear elliot was giving you a heads up preempting what’s become a renowned calling card of many hasbrats, accusations of anti semitism to derail the thread which is not the topic here. albeit, we all are aware you didn’t make that accusation in the specific comment he referenced.

        i think what elliot said We are not going to help you cover up Israel’s nakedness by spending time talking about this or that fig leaf is appropriate to day as gazans are dying.

        i read earlier that 10 internationals had made a human shield to protect this building, but israel is determined to demolish it. an place for disabled people. this would be the 6th health facility israel has targeted on this current invasion. it’s vicious.

        can we stay on topic please. you know why i am saying this don’t you.

      • Justpassingby
        July 12, 2014, 3:10 am

        MahaneYehude1

        Seems like you are getting desperate, dont you think its ironic for you to accuse other of racism while defending the regime in Israel?

      • Citizen
        July 12, 2014, 10:21 am

        Not to worry MahaneYehude1
        All the us network and cable tv new/infotainment shows are singing the same hasbara tune, framing the Gaza Crisis as due to HAMAS murder of 3 Israeli teens & terrorist rocket attacks on Israel. I don’t even see why you bother to come to MW in light of the simple fact that 90% of all news Americans get comes from a mere 5 megacorporations, which all spout hasbara daily to the few Americans who actually care about US foreign policy and world news. Why waste your time here since this is a very tiny outlet for actual facts on Israel’s activity and the American complicity in said activity? Just as Gaza is an open air prison, and Zionists are the guards, the USA mind re anything Israel or Palestinian is imprisoned by US mainstream media and Zionists are the guards.

  49. talknic
    July 11, 2014, 11:08 pm

    The destruction wrought by the Palestinians on Israel over 66 years pales into insignificance compared to the devastation visited upon the people of Palestine by the State of Israel. It’s akin to a serial abuser beating the life out of and then blaming the victim while complaining about a skinned knuckle

    Were Israel a person, which in law it is, it would have been put in a padded cell decades ago! Were it an animal, it would have been shot!

    • MahaneYehude1
      July 12, 2014, 11:30 am

      @Citizen:

      You are one of the veterans in this site and I assume you know me better than others. Although most of you insist I am Hasbara, I sure that deep in your heart you know I am a simple Israeli citizen, a man of peace that want to see the end of this conflict and want to live in peace with my neighbors. I am here to do my best to show you that there are several faces of the Israeli society, not the face that most of you want to see and emphasize. You think I support Israel without condition, but this is your mistake. I am among the few Israelis here that want free Palestinian state and want justice for all victims. I already signed a petition to my government to stop the war in Gaza, but I understand that, like in any conflict, also the other side has to stop the war and to put an end to the sufferings of the innocent peoples. Thanks.

      • Citizen
        July 12, 2014, 1:20 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1

        I am an old US army veteran and I do not support Israel’s activities at all. I do all I can to convince my government representatives that it’s not good for USA or Israel to support Israel’s Zionist and ethnically supremist society. I do not agree with my own government, let alone Israel’s regarding US foreign policy, and most especially, I don’t agree with my government’s “special relationship” with Israel. I think it harms the USA and word peace.

      • Kris
        July 12, 2014, 1:21 pm

        @MahaneYehue1: “I sure that deep in your heart you know I am a simple Israeli citizen, a man of peace that want to see the end of this conflict and want to live in peace with my neighbors.”

        Your comments have made it clear that for you, “the end of this conflict” will be when Israel has managed to steal everything from the Palestinians, and you can “live in peace with (your) neighbors” because they will all be Jewish.

        (By the way, it’s hard to believe you are “a simple Israeli citizen,” given the way your ability to write in English keeps changing. My guess is that you are several “simple Israeli citizens,” some from the U.S. and some from Europe.)

  50. MahaneYehude1
    July 12, 2014, 8:58 am

    @Annie;

    You insist to delete my comments. It shows that you are desperate and don’t like to know the truth. Please, send your photos of this innocent children to the Hamas, let them see the fruits of their efforts to wipe us from the map, let them see the consequences of their efforts to build advanced missiles while most of the population have no jobs and no shelter. I hope you won’t delete this comment.

    • Citizen
      July 12, 2014, 11:05 am

      Yeah, we know MahaneYehude1, HAMAS is the cause of this situation, Israel is just a hapless victim unfunded by anybody, protected by nobody in the UN SC . Say, didn’t the medieval siege of Gaza by Israel start ASAP the Palestinians there voted in HAMAS reps? Are the Palestinians brave resisters against Israeli occupation, ethnic cleansing, Israeli settlements on foreign land taken by military force, or are they just anti-semites, taken to mean Jew Haters? Please tell us, potato man.

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