Terror in Gaza: 57 seconds after ‘warning,’ Israel destroys a house

Israel/Palestine
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Israel claims it is warning civilians about missile strikes by “roof knocking.” Israeli army spokesperson Lt. Col. Peter Lerner made that claim to a credulous Wolf Blitzer last night on CNN. We tap harmlessly on roofs, he said, so the residents can leave.

Max Blumenthal just tweeted the video above:

See how Israel “warns” Gazans it is going to bomb their homes and imagine the terror.

You can see that the purported mortar “knock” takes place at the beginning of the video; Haaretz posted the video with these headlines: “Israel’s ‘roof knocking’ in Gaza captured on video. Residents document how Israel Air Force drops mortars on the roofs of homes before destroying them with bigger bombs.”

Then you can hear the terror in the voices. The fearful man, I am told, is crying “Warning, warning.” And the building is destroyed 57 seconds after the “warning.” What kind of warning is that? What is the difference between state terror and any other kind, except the magnitude? Yes, and consider the technological monstrosity and remoteness of this action, how would you feel to be in Gaza (which is about the size of Brooklyn, the Bronx and Manhattan)?

Blitzer has been popping in and out of Israeli bomb shelters on CNN. Blumenthal has tweeted a debate featuring CNN’s Wolf Blitzer 25 years ago standing up for a “strong” and “vibrant” Israel:

“Thank God that there is at least one Israel, an Israel where Jews can live if they want to… if they need refuge… Zionism is an ideology, it’s the natural liberation movement of the Jewish people. To deny Zionism, to reject Zionism is about as racist an element as you can get… Have not the Jews suffered enough all of these years to have a homeland?”

 

 

139 Responses

  1. just
    July 11, 2014, 4:33 pm

    I hope that today, somebody can stop using the statement “human shield”. Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth— Israel is bombing the humans there.

    Wolf is a joke.

  2. seafoid
    July 11, 2014, 4:41 pm

    It all goes to show the old rabbis were right about not getting carried away with fantasies about returning to zion. Only feasible with mass murder which does take the edge off the prayers.

  3. MahaneYehude1
    July 11, 2014, 4:43 pm

    Just to remind you that Sderot citizens have no more than 15 seconds before the attacks and no one “drops mortars” for warning them. And, please, don’t say that Hamas missiles are not effective; see the photos from Ashdod and Beer-Sheva from today. In both cases Hamas used long-range missiles that hit the cities. Hamas, like Hezbollah, is not a small poor organization but a strong army with advanced capabilities.

    • ritzl
      July 11, 2014, 5:15 pm

      Maybe the citizens of Sderot can move to Gaza to get away from the Israeli military bases they live around. That way they would have almost 4x the warning before they are inconvenienced or, well, you know, killed. Ah, just one of the little luxuries of life in Gaza. I don’t know why more trembling Israelis don’t live there.

      You all really don’t know when to shut up, do you? You drive people to not care about you because of these [beyond] ridiculous and cloying comparisons.

      BTW, excellent English today. Typing too fast to dumb it down?

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 5:21 pm

        @Ritzl:

        BTW, excellent English today. Typing too fast to dumb it down?

        You are lucky my English is not so good so I can’t understand the above sentence.

        Thanks for the recommendation.

      • ritzl
        July 11, 2014, 5:54 pm

        There you go. That’s the MY1 we all know and love.

        You’re welcome.

    • joer
      July 11, 2014, 5:16 pm

      Mahane-
      The true citizens of Sderot are confined on the Gaza Strip.

      • Pat Nguyen
        July 11, 2014, 6:12 pm

        That makes no sense.

      • joer
        July 11, 2014, 6:36 pm

        I agree it makes no sense that people from all over Palestine, including the town that stood in the present location of Sderot, were forced out of their homes because of their religion. But those angry people locked up in Gaza are the rightful owners of Sderot and the rest of Palestine. So if you talk about the citizens of Sderot truthfully, they are confined on the Gaza Strip.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 10:36 pm

        It’s alright. Logic is above you pay grade.

      • amigo
        July 12, 2014, 7:21 am

        nguyen, it makes no sense to a brain washed zio apologist.

        Sderot is occupied Palestinian Territory stolen by Israel.It is outside the legal self declared Borders of Israel proper.

        If some of these illegal squatters get hurt , then so be it.

        They could always choose to go back to Israel or whatever country they left to take up illegal residence on someone elses land.

        No sympathy from me for these thieves.

      • talknic
        July 12, 2014, 11:03 am

        @ amigo “Sderot is occupied Palestinian Territory stolen by Israel.It is outside the legal self declared Borders of Israel proper.”

        Incorrect. It is important to have accurate material. Sderot is in Israel. Ashkelon is not. Beer Sheva is not. Lots more …..

        Here’s a google earth overlay accurate to a few yards following the UNGA partition Plan description as best I could link to wp.me

    • Kay24
      July 11, 2014, 5:28 pm

      Aren’t they lucky, despite that rather inconvenient fact, they manage to get to wonderful bomb shelters, safety, sirens to warn them, and an iron dome that we Americans gave them? It must be working, because there have been no deaths so far.
      Now the Palestinians have none of the above, and despite getting a courtesy warning from such a gracious murderer, they have lost 100 of their civilians mostly women and children, and hundred have been injured?

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 6:33 pm

        @Kay24:

        I ask you to accept my sincere apologies: I really apologize that the state of Israel has sirens to warn the citizens, I apologize that we built shelters so people can hide when they hear the sirens, I apologize that Israel developed the iron dome system in order to intercept the Hamas missiles and I apologize that no one was killed until now although we experienced several hundreds of missile attacks. I apologize, really apologize.

      • Taxi
        July 11, 2014, 11:54 pm

        No apology needed, Mahane. Just pack your colonialist bags and leave Palestine. It doesn’t belong to you. It belongs to Palestinian moslems, Palestinian christians and Palestinian jews – and you are none of these.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        July 12, 2014, 7:19 am

        MahaneYehude1: I think that your apologies should be accepted as a matter of simple courtesy. The real test of their sincerity, however, will be the efforts that you and your fellow Israelis continue to make to get yourselves killed. And I am confident that you will pass the test. Despite the sirens, shelters and domes, your suicidal efforts are bound to bear fruit over the not-so-long term.

      • Kay24
        July 12, 2014, 8:12 am

        Who you really should be apologizing to are the victims of Israel’s brutality.
        Apologize to them for stealing their lands and for being transgressors that have turned into violent monsters, who inflict suffering using American used weapons on them. Apologize to them for killing their children, and bombing their homes, and threatening to bomb their hospital, which is low even for the zionist nation. You guys have shown the entire world what a bunch of liars you are, all pretending to be the victims, while indiscriminately bombing a people who have no place to go.
        This is a lopsided war, but it must stoke the egos of Israelis very much, to feel powerful, just like the nazis must have felt.

      • talknic
        July 12, 2014, 12:24 pm

        MahaneYehude1 … demonstrates Hasbarrista drivel 101

        “I really apologize that the state of Israel has sirens to warn the citizens, I apologize …etc … etc.. I apologize, really apologize.”

        1. Bullsh*t!

        2. Why? Israel and Israelis have a right to protection. The point you take great care to purposefully miss, is the fact that the Palestinians who’re subjected to far more lethal weapons in far greater numbers trhan any Israelis, also have a right to
        A) Equal protection
        B) Equal right to flee the war zone (currently prohibited by Israel’s demand as the Occupying Power for ALL border crossings to be closed under the 2005 agreement and the Egypt Israel Peace treaty)
        C) the legal right to defend themselves against Israeli aggression and occupation
        D) the right to demand Israel withdraw to its actual borders, taking all its ghastly idiotic illegal settlers
        E) compensation that would sent the Jewish state bankrupt

    • Justpassingby
      July 11, 2014, 5:30 pm

      why would anyone live in sderot?

      of course palestinians will respond to israeli warcrimes against them.

    • Abierno
      July 11, 2014, 5:35 pm

      You are absolutely correct Mahane. I have been carefully following the internet
      images of Hamas F-16’s dropping bombs on Israeli cities to devastating effect. You can identify them readily by the Red Crescent on their fuselage. I believe they are hitting every four minutes or so. I also saw images of Hamas Hellfire
      missiles as well as Jericho 1 and 2 missiles which have been used with deathly
      precision, killing many women and even more small, helpless Israeli children. The internet is replete with images of their serenity in death. I also noted reports that Hamas has also managed to acquire a few 800 Dolphin class submarines with their Popeye Turbo missiles. These were seen by local citizens as well as the IDF
      prowling around Eilat and other off shore areas of Israeli. Hamas truly has both remarkable and amazing advanced capabilities. How wrong for the international press to infer that they are using bottle rocket level missiles, with no payload, as
      well as sticks and stones. We both know better. You have brought to the readers of this site excellent and important corrective information. I salute you.

      • Kay24
        July 11, 2014, 5:53 pm

        Lol that was brilliant. Love the sarcasm. :))

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 5:57 pm

        @Abier:

        How wrong for the international press to infer that they are using bottle rocket level missiles, with no payload, as
        well as sticks and stones.

        Yes, of course, poor bottle rocket level missiles.

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 6:55 pm

        MahaneYehude1 says:
        July 12, 2014 at 2:49 am

        @Mikhael:

        Please, allow me one correction: The word in the headline is not “Muslims” but “Prayers” (little similar in Arabic: Musleemin, Mussalin). The rest of your translation of the headline is correct, imo.

        You’re right, it has the same root as “SALAT”, I think? I read Arabic with a lot of difficulty.

        I only have 2 years of Arabic in school in Israel, plus one year of university Arabic here in the States where I am at the moment, despite numerous attempts at self-study, I just have the little I picked up listening to my late grandparents occasionally speak it among themselves or to to my late father, plus what any Israeli picks up from slang and the army.

      • Mooser
        July 12, 2014, 11:07 am

        “I salute you.”

        I think I’ll take the day off, got a lot to do. I can see this place is in good hands. Good work, peoples! Love, M

    • Giles
      July 11, 2014, 6:04 pm

      Hamas missiles have yet to hurt one Israeli. The “tapping” Israel did on this house did more damage than the Hamas unguided, unarmed, rockets have done. How can you stay inside the Zionist hasbara bubble when the truth is so plain?

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 11, 2014, 6:35 pm

        Giles:

        How can you stay inside the Zionist hasbara bubble when the truth is so plain?

        We are not in Hasbara bubble, most Israelis now, mainly in the south, are sitting in shelters.

      • Shingo
        July 11, 2014, 10:38 pm

        We are not in Hasbara bubble, most Israelis now, mainly in the south, are sitting in shelters.

        Or sitting in chairs on the hills overlooking Gaza and cheering every time they hear an explosion.

      • Mikhael
        July 11, 2014, 10:43 pm

        Shingo says:
        July 11, 2014 at 10:38 pm

        Or sitting in chairs on the hills overlooking Gaza and cheering every time they hear an explosion.

        Is that anything like dancing on rooftops and cheering Iraqi SCUDs heading to TEl Aviv in 1991?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 11, 2014, 10:57 pm

        yes it is mikhael, except israel is so much closer to gaza, i suppose the proximity and view makes the experience more intimate and vivid.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 12:00 am

        Is that anything like dancing on rooftops and cheering Iraqi SCUDs heading to TEl Aviv in 1991?

        No, because:

        1. Their government wasn’t the ones firing those SCUDS
        2. Even if it was true, those rooftops were not built on land they stole from Israel

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 12:28 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 12:00 am

        Raw video of Arabs cheering Gaza missiles in Jerusalem.

        The subtitle is faraHat al Musalmeen fi Masjad al aqsa biSawareekh al Qassam bil Quds al MuHtala

        “The joy of Muslims on al Aqsa Mosque at Qassam* (sic) rockets in Occupied Jerusalem”

        *(It was probably a longer-range Fajr rocket, not a Qassam).

        Lucky thing for them that get protected by Iron Dome, too.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 1:44 am

        i’m curious what they are chanting. it sounds and looks more like cheering for a soccer game. are you sure this isn’t the night palestine won the asia cup challenge?

        btw, just because this comes from a youtube station w/a photo of a guy wearing a keffiyeh w/ script in arabic doesn’t mean it’s anymore accurate than had the lettering been in hebrew.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 2:59 am

        i’m curious what they are chanting.

        Another beyond pathetic effort to present something that could mean anything as evidence. They don’t even look like they are cheering.

      • Taxi
        July 12, 2014, 2:14 am

        Mikh,

        Regarding your video: any Arab speaker will recognize the chant in it:
        “With soul, with blood, we give ourselves to Talal”.

        The video is of a funeral gathering outside a mosque, the deceased (a victim of israeli brutality) is called ‘Talal’, and the gathered crowd is chanting his namesake, ready to go into the mosque for prayer.

        So why don’t you STFU with your tired propaganda. What you’re calling a “celebration” is a Palestinian FUNERAL!!!

      • talknic
        July 12, 2014, 12:30 pm

        @ Mikhael …. The video is of a funeral you moron

        Why are so many idiots for Israeli expansionism such pathetic liars?

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 5:15 pm

        Taxi says:
        July 12, 2014 at 2:14 am

        Mikh,

        Regarding your video: any Arab speaker will recognize the chant in it:
        “With soul, with blood, we give ourselves to Talal”

        They are chanting بروح بدم نفديك يا
        bi Ruh be dam, nafdik ya al aqsa

        IN spirit and blood, we will redeem al Aqsa–with the al aqsa having the double meaning of the furthest, the utmost, as well as the mosque compound itself which is located on the historic Jewish Har ha Bayit (Temple Mount)
        As for the description of cheering the rockets headed towards Jerusalem, read the title of the video in Arabic, since you’re such an Arabic scholar. It says what it says.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:37 pm

        As for the description of cheering the rockets headed towards Jerusalem, read the title of the video in Arabic, since you’re such an Arabic scholar. It says what it says.

        Your lies have already been exposed. Stop digging the hole you’re in.

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 2:54 am

        “Lucky thing for them that get protected by Iron Dome, too.”

        At a success rate of about 30%, Iron Dome is nothing to brag about. I feel sorry for the American taxpayers that have to cough up more cash to replace those Dome missiles used as well as another $500 million or so to send that idiotic project back to the drawing boards to fix its imperfections.

        As to people celebrating or not, do you honestly believe that Palestinians couldn’t be happy to see or hear a Palestinian missile streaking across their Zionist-occupied skies? Think back to the war of 2006 when Hizbullah’s erratic katyushas killed a couple of Palestinians in the Galilee and how the Palestinians immediately forgave it for this accidental killing. You can be sure that for Jerusalem’s Palestinians, missiles that fell on their city was music to their ears.

      • Mooser
        July 12, 2014, 11:12 am

        “Regarding your video: any Arab speaker will recognize the chant in it:
        “With soul, with blood, we give ourselves to Talal”.
        The video is of a funeral gathering outside a mosque”

        Don’t put anything in the bucket Yehane (or whatever the frick his name is) is scraping the bottom of. His bucket’s got a hole in it.

        Oh well Az mir vill schlugen a hunt, gifintmin a schtecken

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 5:27 pm

        Walid says:
        July 12, 2014 at 2:54 am
        As to people celebrating or not, do you honestly believe that Palestinians couldn’t be happy to see or hear a Palestinian missile streaking across their Zionist-occupied skies?

        Oh, I have no problem believing that many Arabs are pleased at attempts to
        kill Jews. Since you are such an empathetic guy, you should appreciate that many residents of Israel’s south are pleased that their country’s army is taking strong actions to protect them by striking hard at Hamas terror nests.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:36 pm

        Since you are such an empathetic guy, you should appreciate that many residents of Israel’s south are pleased that their country’s army is taking strong actions to protect them by striking hard at Hamas terror nests.

        The stupidity of that argument is that the residents of Israel’s south were much safer as month ago when the ceasefire was in place. Now they are facing hundreds of rocket attacks a day, and in much greater danger than they were before – all because the Israeli government wanted to score cheap political points with the public.

        If the government was serious about protecting them, they would not have attacked Gaza on false pretenses to begin with. The government is like an pyromaniac who sets fire to a building and then re turns to help save people in the building from the fire.

      • Mikhael
        July 11, 2014, 10:39 pm

        Giles says:
        July 11, 2014 at 6:04 pm

        Hamas missiles have yet to hurt one Israeli.

        This, of course, is a lie. To date, 44 Israelis have been killed, and thousands more injured, due to either rocket or mortar fire from Gaza, most of which have been fired by Hamas. (In addition to Islamic Jihad and other terror gangs.) Thankfully, in 2014, no Israeli citizens have been killed due to Hamas’s indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli population centers so far. Though you bewail this, we tend to consider no Israeli fatalities due to hostile rocket and mortar fire this year to be a good thing and we hope that this trend continues.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 11, 2014, 11:21 pm

        This, of course, is a lie. To date, 44 Israelis have been killed

        or a miscommunication. i think it’s clear giles is discussing this latest invasion. as you said yourself ” in 2014, no Israeli citizens have been killed due to Hamas’s indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli population centers “.

        and speaking of liars (your term), what source are you using to come up with 44 israelis killed? here’s an israel project “List of Deaths Caused by Qassam Rockets and Mortar Fire. Total: 23 ” but it only goes until 6/08

        link to archive.today

        plus, many of those listed are not israelis, to be accurate. for example

        Dec. 14, 2005 – Jitladda Tap-arsa, 20, a female Thai national, was killed while working in a greenhouse in the Gush Katif settlement of Ganei Tal…..June 7, 2005 – Bi Shude, 46, a Chinese national, was killed while working in a greenhouse in the Gush Katif settlement of Ganei Tal…June 7, 2005 – Muhammad Mahmoud Jaroum, a Palestinian worker, was killed while working in a greenhouse in the Gush Katif settlement of Ganei Tal.
        June 7, 2005 – Muslah Umran, a Palestinian worker, was killed while working in a greenhouse in the Gush Katif settlement of Ganei Tal.

        perhaps you could provide a list/source of all israelis killed by rocket/mortar fire since 6/08 and we can add them together. with so few, i am sure they are listed by name somewhere.

      • RoHa
        July 11, 2014, 11:55 pm

        “Jitladda Tap-arsa, 20, a female Thai national, … – Bi Shude, 46, a Chinese national,”

        Good thing they were killed. They might have started having children who wanted to be citizens of the country they were born in.

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 12:01 am

        Annie Robbins says:
        July 11, 2014 at 11:21 pm and speaking of liars (your term), what source are you using to come up with 44 israelis killed? here’s an israel project “List of Deaths Caused by Qassam Rockets and Mortar Fire. Total: 23 ” but it only goes until 6/08

        B’Tselem lists 42 fatalities due to both rocket and mortar fire from Gaza, two by anti-tank missiles, for a total of 44 killed by rockets from Gaza. (I will cop to having mistakenly included guided anti-tank missiles shot from Gaza, one of which was aimed at a schoolbus and killed a 16-year-old Israeli as “rocket fire”, in the count of 44 Israeli fatalities and also including […] If anything, this underscore the fact that rocket fire from Gaza is deadly and indiscriminate and intended to cause murder and mayhem. It is not peaceful protest.

        link to btselem.org

        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Hamas doesn’t have a right to even send one rocket from the territory that they control into Gaza and not expect an Israeli response.

        In the case of non-Israelis killed by rockets from Gaza, such as the Thai workers in Israel, they were guests of our country and are due Israeli protection. Whether the fatalities are Israeli citizens or not, the intention was to kill people in Israel. Israel has a duty to use force to prevent attacks on its territory, its citizens (whether Jewish citizens or Arab citizens), its soldiers, and any foreigners who are guests in our country.

        Giles’s statement that no Israelis have been harmed by missiles from Gaza remains a falsehood.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 12:28 am

        In the case of non-Israelis killed by rockets from Gaza, such as the Thai workers in Israel, they were guests of our country

        of course, but that wasn’t my point. i just think if you’re going to accuse giles of lying you should be held to the same standard. after all, you did claim 44 israelis killed by rocket and mortar fire. so by your own standards let’s judge if you we’re lying or not. here’s your source link again: link to btselem.org

        you claimed B’Tselem lists 42 fatalities due to both rocket and mortar fire from Gaza

        here’s from your source link to B’Tselem:

        B’Tselem’s research indicates that, from June 2004 to 17 April 2013, 24 Israeli civilians (four of them minors) and one foreign national were killed in Israel by Palestinian rocket and mortar fire. In addition, five soldiers were killed, three in Israel and two in the Gaza Strip. Another Israeli civilian and three foreign nationals were killed by rocket fire at settlements in the Gaza Strip, before they were evacuated.

        so sticking to your claim of “israeli’s killed” according to b’tselem

        24 Israeli civilians
        five soldiers were killed
        Another Israeli civilian … killed by rocket fire at settlements in the Gaza Strip, before they were evacuated.

        that makes 30 israelis killed. iow, your source doesn’t support your claim.

        Giles’s statement that no Israelis have been harmed by missiles from Gaza remains a falsehood

        as i mentioned before, given the context of the conversation, i think it’s clear he’s talking about the latest invasion. but as i mentioned before speaking of liars (your term), what source are you using to come up with 44 israelis killed?

        i’m still waiting. or were you lying?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 12:43 am

        p.s. Mikhael, speaking of liars, you might notice the slight edit to your post “[…]”. it’s there because i edited out what i determined to be a blatant lie. now, i could be mistaken wrt your reference (notorious beach massacre) and naturally i assumed you were referencing israel’s massacre of a family on the beach that launched off ‘operation summer rain’ which broke the ceasefire w/hamas. i wrote about it here. link to mondoweiss.net

        of course at the time, the NYT link to nytimes.com claimed ” Hamas fired at least 15 Qassam rockets from Gaza into Israel on Saturday, ending a tattered 16-month truce with Israel, a day after eight Palestinians were killed on a Gaza beach, apparently by an errant Israeli shell.

        iow, according to the NYT israel kills 8 people on a beach and hamas is responsible for breaking the ceasefire? because israel claims their attack was ‘errant’ HAHAHAHAHA.

        but you, mikhael, tried to claim hamas killed those people. unless of course there was some other “notorious” massacre on a beach that’s slipping my mind. do tell.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 2:06 am

        because israel claims their attack was ‘errant’ HAHAHAHAHA.

        I always laugh at the paradox that Israel claims to be precise and exemplary in their targeting, yet every time they kill civilian they claim it’s a mistake. By their own argument, they are clumsy buffoons who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near these weapons.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 1:35 am

        B’Tselem lists 42 fatalities due to both rocket and mortar fire from Gaza, two by anti-tank missiles, for a total of 44 killed by rockets from Gaza

        Caught in your own lies. You originally claimed 42 were killed in Israel, whereas the number is 24. The 42 includes Palestinians killed in Gaza.

        Hamas doesn’t have a right to even send one rocket from the territory that they control into Gaza and not expect an Israeli response.

        It’s not the Palestinians making they argument, it’s Israel. Every time Israel have broken ceasefires, they have bombed Gaza and claimed that under the existing ceasefire they have a right to carry out targeted strikes – yet when these wanton and blatant acts or aggression are met with a response of rockets, Israel jumps up and down, points the finger and says they have to defend themselves.

        So sell you Hasbara elsewhere troll.

        Whether the fatalities are Israeli citizens or not, the intention was to kill people in Israel.

        regardless if their denials, the intention of every bomb and shell and missile Israel fire into Gaza is to kill Palestinians, and they usually do in great numbers.

        srael has a duty to use force to prevent attacks on its territory, its citizens (whether Jewish citizens or Arab citizens), its soldiers, and any foreigners who are guests in our country.

        That duty begins with sticking to ceasefires and avoiding conflicts which could lead to such attacks. Israel does not do that and in that regard it is not only commuting war crimes by waging aggressive attacks, it is criminally negligent.

        A rapist gives up their right to protect themselves when they attack their victims.

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 12:40 am

        Annie Robbins says:
        July 12, 2014 at 12:28 am as i mentioned before, given the context of the conversation, i think it’s clear he’s talking about the latest invasion. but as i mentioned before speaking of liars (your term), what source are you using to come up with 44 israelis killed?

        i’m still waiting. or were you lying?

        I already copped to my inaccuracy in claiming 44 Israelis killed by hostile rocket fire and then listed the break-down.

        Giles claimed “none”. And it’s not clear that he was only referring to this latest flare-up. None means none.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 12:51 am

        I already copped to my inaccuracy

        ah! so it was not “ of course, ..a lie” because when you’re inaccurate it’s simply a mistake. albeit you, being who you are, are able to determine “of course” who is lying.

        anyway, i think i made my point. in the future if “it’s not clear” what someone is referencing, perhaps asking for clarification befoe claiming someone is “of course” lying, might be more appropriate, given your penchant for truthieness.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 12, 2014, 2:49 am

        @Annie and Taxi:

        i’m curious what they are chanting. it sounds and looks more like cheering for a soccer game. are you sure this isn’t the night palestine won the asia cup challenge?

        any Arab speaker will recognize the chant in it:
        “With soul, with blood, we give ourselves to Talal”.

        Taxi, They are chanting “Birah, Bildam, Nafidik Ya-Aqsa!!!” (بروح بدم نفديك يا اقصى). “With soul, with blood, we shall redeem you, ohh al-Aqsa (mosque)”

        @Mikhael:

        Please, allow me one correction: The word in the headline is not “Muslims” but “Prayers” (little similar in Arabic: Musleemin, Mussalin). The rest of your translation of the headline is correct, imo.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 12:01 am

        To date, 44 Israelis have been killed, and thousands more injured, due to either rocket or mortar fire from Gaza,

        Rubbish. 20 have been killed and less than a hundred – that’s taken over a decade. In that time, Israel has killed thousands in Gaza and the West Bank

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 12:14 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 12:01 am Rubbish. 20 have been killed and less than a hundred – that’s taken over a decade.

        Per B’tselem–24 Israeli civilians and one foreign national were killed by rocket and mortar fire from Gaza. That’s 25 civilians. 5 Israeli soldiers were killed. One Israeli civilian, a high school student, was killed by a laser-guided anti-tank missile aimed at a school bus (sure, it’s easy to confuse a tank with a bright yellow school bus)–and one Israeli solider was also killed with an anti-tank weapon in Gaza itself. They also managed to kill 10 of their own civilians with their “harmless” rockets by mistake, when they were aiming them at Jews. Even if you want to argue that the soldiers were legit military targets, that still means you undercounted with “just” 20. And we don’t have an obligation to tolerate even one attack on even one of our civilians or soldiers or any non-Israeli guest in our country.

        And hopefully, the count of Israeli fatalities will stay at zero this year and every year hereafter. Our expensive Iron Dome system, sophisticated early warning systems and thoroughly drilling the public on safety measures will make this possible, if God won’t help.

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 6:41 pm

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 1:35 am

        Caught in your own lies. You originally claimed 42 were killed in Israel, whereas the number is 24. The 42 includes Palestinians killed in Gaza.

        No. Hastily looking at B’Tselem’s tally of fatalities from Hamas rocket ANDmortar rounds AND laser-guided anti-tank missiles, I mistakenly wrote that 44 Israelis were killed. My error, in responding to Gile’s blatant falsehood that Hamas rockets have harmed none, was stating that all of the fatalities were Israeli citizens, whereas some of the victims were foreign nationals living and working in Israel, and some killed by Hamas rocket/mortar fire were Arab residents of Gaza who were hit when the Qassams fell short of their intended Israeli targets–not to mention those Gazans killed by Hamas rockets in Jabalya camp when mishandled rockets which exploded during a Hamas rally. So yes, I erred in stating that the 44 dead were Israelis, in contrast to Giles’s willfully false assertion that no one has been harmed by these rockets.

        Every time Israel have broken ceasefires, they have bombed Gaza and claimed that under the existing ceasefire they have a right to carry out targeted strikes – yet when these wanton and blatant acts or aggression are met with a response of rockets, Israel jumps up and down, points the finger and says they have to defend themselves.

        Hamas has never committed itself to a “cease fire” in the Western sense with the Israeli kaffirun, but it did agree to a tahadiya
        (‏تهدئة‎)–i.e., a temporary “lull” or “calming”. Hamas seems to believe that as long as their Islamic Jihad proxy claims responsibility for rockets fired at Israel, they can claim they haven’t violated the “lull”–and they should still have a free hand to dig terror tunnels into Israeli territory (link to timesofisrael.com) as well as endorsing the abduction of Israelis, but Israeli strikes on those who plan these actions is a violation of the “cease fire”. Well, if they can claim they held up their end of the bargain during the “calming” period because they reduced the firing of thousands of rockets to mere dozens and just got caught a few times planning terror ops, then Israel can claim that it also contributed to the “calming” during this period by not engaging in an all-out campaign to wipe out Hamas and the other gangs. Fair is fair.

        So sell you Hasbara elsewhere troll.

        Hasbara means explaining. It’s not a negative thing. I’ll explain the way the world works whenever I see ignorant people say stupid things.

        (shingles, quoting me) Whether the fatalities are Israeli citizens or not, the intention was to kill people in Israel.

        (shingles)regardless if their denials, the intention of every bomb and shell and missile Israel fire into Gaza is to kill Palestinians, and they usually do in great numbers.

        IDF artillery and air strikes in Gaza are definitely meant to kill Hamas’s (and affiliated gangs’) leaders who order rocket attacks and other operations on Israel, as well as the low-level operatives who carry out these orders. In addition, they are meant to destroy the launch sites and stores of such weapons. The elimination of such individuals and their attack capabilities is to be praised and celebrated. Harm to innocent civilians on the other side is an unfortunate side effect, but our government has a duty to protect our civilians first.

        A rapist gives up their right to protect themselves when they attack their victims.

        Falsely crying rape while attacking not only the falsely accused, but also his family and neighbors does a great disservice to people who are true victims of such a crime.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:28 pm

        My error, in responding to Gile’s blatant falsehood that Hamas rockets have harmed none

        He was clearly referring to the current violence.

        Hamas has never committed itself to a “cease fire” in the Western sense with the Israeli kaffirun, but it did agree to a tahadiya

        Rubbish. In the lead up to Cast Lead, the Israeli MFA reported that Hamas had been very careful to observe the ceasefire, and that they were going to great lengths to arrest militants in Gaza who were trying to fire rockets and mortars.
        Secondly, it’s worth pointing out that Israel had agreed to ease the blockade as part of the ceasefire agreement, but reneged on that obligation once the ceasefire began. Hamas stuck to the ceasefire anyway.

        they can claim they haven’t violated the “lull”–and they should still have a free hand to dig terror tunnels into Israeli territory

        There is ZEOR evidence that there was any such tunnel. In fact, even Israel admits the tunnel did not go into Israel. The claim that the tunnel was being built to abduct Israeli soldiers is so lame and pathetic that it falls apart under scrutiny. As Uri Avnery pointed out, if there was any truth to this, Israel could have laid a trap on their side of the border.
        NO, this was a blatant stunt to beak the ceasefire and hey chose, of all days, the day of the US presidential election in 2008 – the one the whole world was watching – to ensure minimal attention.
        Wha’s more, we have a Wikileaks cable revealed that Israel were planning all along to attack Hamas as early as August because the ceasefire was adding too much political legitimacy to Hamas and strengthening their political position.
        Regarding the Tahdiya, Hacham said Barak stressed that while it was not permanent, for the time being it was holding. There have been a number of violations of the ceasefire on the Gaza side, but Palestinian factions other than Hamas were responsible. Hacham said the Israelis assess that Hamas is making a serious effort to convince the other factions not to launch rockets or mortars. Israel remains concerned by Hamas’ ongoing efforts to use the Tahdiya to increase their strength, and at some point, military action will have to be put back on the table. The Israelis reluctantly admit that the Tahdiya has served to further consolidate Hamas’ grip on Gaza, but it has brought a large measure of peace and quiet to Israeli communities near Gaza.
        link to telegraph.co.uk
        Note the wording sentence. The memo does not say that the Israelis believe “military action will have to be put back on the table” because at some point Hamas will break the ceasefire, but rather because Hamas would like to maintain the ceasefire to strengthen its position. It is clear that the Israelis were, from relatively early on, contemplating breaking the ceasefire in order to cut Hamas off at the knees. While the memo simply confirms what many had already suspected, it provides yet further evidence that Cast Lead was being planned from the very beginning.
        The other factor is that the ceasefire was about to expire in December and that meant re-negotiating it’s continuation. Israel had also been in violation of the ceasefire agreement, having agreed to ease the blockade but then going back on that agreement once the ceasefire began.

        For the reasons explained in this memo, Israel did not want the ceasefire to continue but coldn’t be seen as the ones to reject the continuation of the ceasefire, so they needed a pretext to give their rejections moral legitimacy.

        Hasbara means explaining.

        AS they say in the military, when you are explaining, you’re lost the argument. Hasbara is propaganda and disinformation.

        IDF artillery and air strikes in Gaza are definitely meant to kill Hamas’s (and affiliated gangs’) leaders who order rocket attacks and other operations on Israel, as well as the low-level operatives who carry out these orders.

        Rubbish. Artillery strikes are inaccurate and prone to mistargetting. Of course, Israel is targeting civilians. If they knew where the targets where and were targeting them they would not be blowing up houses full of women and children.

        What Israel is doing and has always done, is inflict sufficient pain and suffering in the population in the vain hope they will turn against Hamas.As Abba Eban admitted a while ago:
        “There was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that affected populations would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities, satisfying Israel’s goals.”

        Falsely crying rape while attacking not only the falsely accused, but also his family and neighbors does a great disservice to people who are true victims of such a crime.

        The rape is taking place before out very eyes. There is nothing false about it you sick and twisted individual.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 10:23 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm

        Your lies have already been exposed. Stop digging the hole you’re in.

        What lies? The title in Arabic says what it says. It says “worshippers at al Aqsa delight in rockets fired at Jerusalem”. The video is not from an Israeli source. It’s not my fault that Taxi’s Arabic sucks.

        (If I’m not mistaken, he’s the American who says that he lives in Lebanon, and has been struggling for years to learn proper Arabic. Well, he still has a lt of work ahead of him.)

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 10:30 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 11:28 pm
        Regarding the Tahdiya, Hacham said Barak stressed that while it was not permanent, for the time being it was holding. There have been a number of violations of the ceasefire on the Gaza side, but Palestinian factions other than Hamas were responsible.

        Hamas is not off the hook when their proxies like Islamic Jihad attack Israel:
        “B. All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border. “

      • Taxi
        July 12, 2014, 12:37 am

        To Whom It May Concern,

        Zionists are professional number-fiddlers.

    • Qualtrough
      July 12, 2014, 4:54 am

      Carnage score at the moment is 125/0 in Israel’s favor. The danger you face is orders of magnitude less than that faced by the Gazan men, women, and children you and your buddies are killing as I type this. Try as I might, I just can’t feel your pain at the moment because it is overwhelmed by the suffering you are inflicting in Gaza.

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 7:02 pm

        Qualtrough says:
        July 12, 2014 at 4:54 am

        Carnage score at the moment is 125/0 in Israel’s favor. The danger you face is orders of magnitude less than that faced by Gazan

        Again, we consider this to be good news. Hopefully this trend will continue. Zero Israelis killed by Hamas rockets this year and in subsequent years and Israelis facing orders of magnitude less danger is what we are working for. We don’t have to apologize for winning.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:32 pm

        Again, we consider this to be good news. Hopefully this trend will continue.

        Because nothing makes a Zionist happier than a bloodbath and a huge body count.

        We don’t have to apologize for winning.

        You’re not winning. Israel’s reputation is in the gutter and sinking by the minute. These short term military victories are destroying the fabric of Israel day by day.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 11:23 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 11:32 pm

        Again, we consider this to be good news. Hopefully this trend will continue.

        Because nothing makes a Zionist happier than a bloodbath and a huge body count.

        Zero Jews killed by our enemies definitely makes this Zionist happy, yes.
        A large body count of Hamas leaders and foot soldiers is also very good news.

        You’re not winning. Israel’s reputation is in the gutter and sinking by the minute. These short term military victories are destroying the fabric of Israel day by day.

        My family daughters’ safety and the death of those killers who want to do them harm, guaranteed by my Israeli government, is much more important than any issues of “reputation”. Outside of your fanatic bubble, Israel’s reputation is pretty good, by the way.

  4. American
    July 11, 2014, 4:47 pm

    ” Have not the Jews suffered enough all of these years to have a homeland?”…Wolf

    Evidently not enough to have learned how to run a homeland.

  5. tree
    July 11, 2014, 4:49 pm

    I just saw this on Max’s twitter feed. Disgusting and even moreso because the IDF tries to claim some humanitarian concern in giving people 57 seconds to scramble out of their building and get far enough away to avoid injury. And if they manage that then they are left without a home or any belongings and with little chance to rebuild and probably little money to do so even if they could get the materials that Israel blockades from Gaza. How is that humanitarian in any sense of the word?

    BTW, there seem to be some poor soul on the roof of the building where the earlier “warning” mortar went off. You can see him at about :55 seconds in (5 seconds before the devastating blast) , and see his body start to fly off the roof before it is obscured by the building debris.

  6. ritzl
    July 11, 2014, 4:55 pm

    If there was anyone in that house, that’s just a video of murder. What else can you call it?

    Come on Jake, Diane, and/or Brian. Step up. Nobody in TV Land would not find this video “interesting.” Snuff video, damning evidence of the total absence of Israeli morality, or both, it’s a ratings bonanza.

  7. Kay24
    July 11, 2014, 4:58 pm

    Netanyahu is blaming Hamas for hiding among the civilians, therefore casting blame on the horrible deaths of 100 Palestinians on Hamas. No one is holding a gun to this cowards head and asking him to drop those massive bombs into civilians homes.
    Hypothetically, if terrorists hid in the homes of Israelis, would he drop their stinking bombs into those homes, or would he try to save the lives of his precious people?
    He knows that Palestinians will be killed in large numbers every time his human animals are let loose over Gaza.
    I agree with Just, Blitzer is a big joke, who has shown tremendous loyalty to Israel, and his dramatic run for the bomb shelter was so funny, and it seems dear Wolfie was trying hard to convey just how hard the Israelis are having it. Perhaps if he went into Gaza, and showed us the pounding of an unprotected, heavily populated city, by deadly F16 and other deadly Israeli weapons, perhaps he would have been a little credible.
    That would show us how much the Palestinians are enduring.
    The stats say it all – Number of Palestinians killed 100 Number of Israelis killed ZERO

    Yeah, the massacre continues.

    • Giles
      July 11, 2014, 6:10 pm

      I remember a while back when Anderson Cooper nearly got blown to Hell by Israeli bombs and so the network had to quickly switch over to Blitzer in Israel when, as if on cue, sirens went off and there went Blitzer running to a shelter. No explosions of course (unlike in Gaza were buildings were blown to bits) but it painted a picture where both sides were under assault. Which people not really paying attention or not applying any scrutiny quickly bought into. You get the feeling that if real anti-semites ever took over they would show us the antics of people like Blitzer over and over again

  8. weareone
    July 11, 2014, 5:00 pm

    “Prominent international lawyer Professor Francis Boyle calls on international community to indict the criminal rogue state Israel, its aiders and abettors.”

    link to presstv.com

  9. seafoid
    July 11, 2014, 5:08 pm

    The video is how I imagine the angel of death in the Passover story would have worked.
    Those Jewish holiday stories have much of the morality that Zionism bled out of the religion.

  10. justicewillprevail
    July 11, 2014, 5:25 pm

    Jesus, if they know as much as the fact that there are civilians in these houses, WTF are they doing bombing them in the first place? Pure terrorism. Are they seriously expecting us to believe that inside this house is a missile launcher, or inside the beach hut where they were watching the World Cup? What kind of diabolical cruelty is it to target an ordinary house or bar, after giving a perfunctory ‘warning’ – thus admitting that it wasn’t a mistake but a deliberate act of war against helpless civilians? What kind of meetings do they have, where they say, “oh yes here is a house, they have a cousin in Hamas, let’s bomb it” or some such crap. During Cast Lead, they admitted they ran out of ‘targets’ quite early, so just carried on bombing anything they could – infrastructure, police stations, mosques, schools – yes, everything is related to Hamas because they are the fecking governing administration, so everything is a ‘target’ for the sadists. Random cruelty and slaughter.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 11, 2014, 5:51 pm

      ”What kind of diabolical cruelty is it to target an ordinary house or bar, after giving a perfunctory ‘warning’ – thus admitting that it wasn’t a mistake but a deliberate act of war against helpless civilians?”

      Good point. They are clearly admitting that they KNOW that civilians – usually including children – are living in the house, but that so long as they ‘warn’ the inhabitants, that’s OK.

      I guess blowing up a crowd in a pizza parlour or Tel Aviv bus is fine, so long as you give a minute’s warning first?

    • Kay24
      July 11, 2014, 7:16 pm

      JWP, I think your questions are valid. The is a strong element of sadistic enjoyment in this, calling seconds ahead and asking them to leave, before smashing their homes into bits. Where can they go anyway. I keep thinking of the racist tweets, and the consistent insults about Arabs and Palestinians, calling them vile names, and their babies, snakes. Their actions come from that hatred and anger. So it is dangerous and without mercy. As someone said, the anger against the nazis are transferred to the Palestinians. They are transgressors on that land, and have turned into a vicious entity, that has abused these indigenous people for decades.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 12, 2014, 6:21 am

        And today we learn that a mosque was hit and centre for the disabled. Are the IDF terrorists on crack when they assert that they are hitting military targets? Or is is simply that they are utterly callous incompetent liars (more likely)? Tasked by those fearless demagogues in the government, inciting hatred and encouraging death and destruction, it seems to be the case that there are, unsurprisingly, no real military targets, so their only response is to randomly drop bombs on anyone vaguely related to Hamas – like mosques, government charities and centres etc. Here we have the gruesome proof. The whole thing is a despicable charade, a circus of death, erected by Israel so that these hideous, hypocritical politicians can strut on their little stage, desperate for approval from their indoctrinated electorate, declaring how they are ‘hitting back’, when they have nothing to aim at except a captive population. Shameless, desperate people utterly devoid of any hint of humanity, hiding behind a barrage of hi-tech weaponry, smugly destroying the feeble people they have deliberately kept in penury and despair without any defence. More, they cry, as if they are not sated yet with the deaths, 77% of which are civilian – yes, read that again – the vast majority have nothing to do with ‘military’ targets, so please shut up about ‘pinpoint’ missiles. 77% means either your technology is crap, or you are simply lying through your teeth, and have no qualms about killing civilians as a collective punishment, since you have no other targets, but have convinced a gullible public and compliant media that you ‘must’ keep attacking these invisible foes, so civilians will just have to do, what do you care – as long as you get your pictures of your glorious weapons on the tv, and some propaganda about being threatened by an army so terrifying and such a threat you can’t even find it. Just F O.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 12, 2014, 9:54 am

        link to theguardian.com

        Just to follow up, because I can scarcely believe the depths to which they sink: the centre for the disabled got the ‘warning’ – so the much vaunted Israeli intelligence knew it was a centre where disabled people slept and therefore they would not be able to escape. These people are sick. And we have the defence minister mouthing this: “We are working to push forward our next objectives. Achievements are accumulating, and we are continuing to destroy significant targets belonging to Hamas and other terrorist organisations.”

        ‘Achievements are accumulating’ – repeat, ‘achievements’, what kind of Orwell speak is that? And meanwhile zero evidence they have destroyed ‘significant’ targets, probably because there are none, barring a few missile launchers, which are clearly not enough for those cold hearted morons to boast about. No – houses, mosques, huts, charities, now are those ‘significant’ enough for you to impress the cheering crowds at home, so you can do some rabble-rousing? Why don’t you award yourself some medals for your incredible ‘achievements’?

      • Taxi
        July 12, 2014, 10:13 am

        Justicewillprevail,

        They haven’t hit any hamas targets cuz they don’t know where they are: hamas has been digging and burying for two years, if not more. Plus hamas has cleaned up the Gaza from informants something good. Isreal has no valid intelligence on ANY hamas military installations/launch pads/assembly rooms/depots etc. It has nada, nothing, ziltch – it knows it and it is punishing the civilian population instead cuz all it has is information on residents’ addresses which they picked up from the Gaza Yellow Pages. That’s what they’re bombing: regular civic institutions and regular people’s homes whose addresses are already public and easily obtainable even through google maps.

        The only way the idf can locate any hamas assets is if they do human searches and human searches means markavas and boots on the ground in Gaza. A very dangerous task indeed, but so drunk on hate and power, the idf just might fall for the trap that’s been set for them by the regional axis of resistance.

  11. Justpassingby
    July 11, 2014, 5:31 pm

    house demolition just like waffen ss.

  12. ritzl
    July 11, 2014, 5:53 pm

    Does anyone have a link to the video that Tapper ambushed Buttu with? The one about “Hamas calling for people to be human shields.” I couldn’t find it. It would be great to get a date and an independent translation rather than Tapper’s third-hand characterization of what it may or may not have said.

    • Justpassingby
      July 12, 2014, 1:29 am

      ritzl

      Link to video here: link to haaretz.com
      Hamas guy is talking about how palestinians defend their housings nothing else.

      • ritzl
        July 12, 2014, 9:39 am

        Thanks jpb. I figured as much.

      • ritzl
        July 12, 2014, 9:45 am

        From MEMRI no less. Tapper should be ashamed and fired. Heh.

  13. tree
    July 11, 2014, 6:37 pm

    Wrong video, MY. Ritzl wanted to see the video that Tapper referred to on Hamas TV, not the video of Tapper and Buttu.

  14. ritzl
    July 11, 2014, 6:44 pm

    @MY1- I meant the video at 3:00 of the interview. The one that Buttu didn’t have access to, couldn’t see, and was paraphrased by Tapper for her and and his viewers. The one where Hamas spox are, per Tapper, “calling for people to be human shields.” Does Tapper speak Arabic?

    That interview was an ambush and ambush journalism never reflects a desire to generate understanding. There was no audio so nobody knows what the Hamas spox were actually saying and in what context. Personally, I’m skeptical that those Hamas spox actually said what Tapper said they said, but they might have. We just don’t know.

  15. MahaneYehude1
    July 11, 2014, 7:05 pm

    @Ritzl:

    Sorry, My bad. Here is the video you are looking for. Please note that it was edited by MEMRI*, so to be fair with you, I listen carefully to the interview and in 1:15 the interviewer doesn’t use the words “human shield”.

    link to youtube.com

    (*I don’t use to upload edited videos but I can’t find the original although I used Arabic in the search option)

    • libra
      July 12, 2014, 9:31 am

      MY1: Sorry, my bad.

      Well Mahane, this is certainly bad English. But not the bad English you would expect from a someone with a shaky grasp of the language. No, this is the bad English of someone well acquainted with English, or rather American, slang and its nuances.

      So what you really should have said is:

      Sorry, my bad attempt to maintain my ludicrous cover story as a poor potato salesman.

  16. Shuki
    July 11, 2014, 8:06 pm

    More selective editing. Obviously there was an earlier warning shot… why else was the camera already fixed on that particular house?

    Even so, they gave 57 more seconds of warning than any attack Hamas has ever launched.

    How dare you criticize Israel for not giving enough warning to civilians while Hamas is deliberately targeting them and you ignore the widely reported stories of Hamas telling Gazans to stay put when they know a bomb is on its way. A blind person could see that Hamas does everything it can to maximize their civilian casualties so this and other intellectually dishonest outlets can blame Israel for the loss of life.

    • Kay24
      July 11, 2014, 9:59 pm

      So tell us here, has Hamas ever threatened to bomb a hospital? Seems foreign activists have formed a human shield to protect a Gaza hospital, that Israel intends to bomb. Despite your claim Hamas does everything to maximize civilians casualties, there is no denying it, and the world can see who the bigger terrorists are, and how many casualties it has totaled up. The ones to be blamed for these deaths are the monsters that use F16s and major bombs to kill so many.
      So how many have Hamas killed so far? Do tell.

      http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/357582–foreign-activists-form-human-shields-to-protect-gaza-hospital

    • Elliot
      July 11, 2014, 10:17 pm

      @Shuki,
      Obviously there was an earlier warning shot… why else was the camera already fixed on that particular house?

      So, what was the second shot for? Extra credit? Browse the internet and you will see amazing footage of all sorts of remarkable events. Anyway, if Israel’s warning is so clear, why did the man Tree pointed out still standing next to the house when it blew up?

      As an Israeli, I find this dressed up murder particularly shocking. So, Israel only kills when it means to kill, unless there is an innocent child on the bicycle too. When it means just to destroy, Israel doesn’t kill, or at least, appears to want to kill.

      Shuki is a good representative of the Israeli mindset. Since Israel feels completely justified in killing and blowing up whatever it wants, anything that it does beyond murdering and smashing at random and at will is from the goodness of its heart.

      Only the anti-Semitic media and “intellectually dishonest outlets” refuse to see what a saint Israel really is.

      • pjdude
        July 12, 2014, 8:16 pm

        Inthe Israeli mind set jews are never accountable for their actions. unless they did something bad to other jews cause than their harming another human.

    • a blah chick
      July 11, 2014, 10:18 pm

      Shuki, honey, if the evil Hamas people are trying to get people killed why is Israel obliging them?

    • Qualtrough
      July 12, 2014, 5:05 am

      @Shuki–So here’s an idea. Why don’t you let Hamas have access to more accurate weapons so they can fight more fairly? Why do you cut them off from all outside supplies so that they are reduced to using crude home-made weapons? I am sure they would love to have more accurate weapons. Using Zionist logic, it is your fault that their weapons are so inaccurate, and they should hate you for making them using such terrible weapons, just like you hate them for making you kill them. Hat tip to Golda.

      • jon s
        July 12, 2014, 12:52 pm

        Qualtrough, sure ,provide the Hamas terrorists with accurate weapons, so they can target schools, kindergartens and hospitals with precision.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:41 pm

        provide the Hamas terrorists with accurate weapons, so they can target schools, kindergartens and hospitals with precision.

        That’s funny. The sick IDF bastards keep hitting Mosques, hospitals, schools, ambulances, food production facilities, water treatment facilities with accurate weapons and then claim they were all unintended targets.

        Are they just idiots or sadistic?

      • Mikhael
        July 12, 2014, 7:17 pm

        Qualtrough says:
        July 12, 2014 at 5:05 am

        @Shuki–So here’s an idea. Why don’t you let Hamas have access to more accurate weapons so they can fight more fairly?

        LOL. Why didn’t the Allies, allow Germany and Japan to regroup and rearm in the waning days of WW2, when they were on the brink of collapse and a frail fragment of former prowess remained, because it wasn’t “fair”? Since when does any armed conflict work that way?
        Here’s another idea: make Hamas weaker, deny them whatever crude
        weapons they have and continue this pressure until they’re gone.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:30 pm

        Here’s another idea: make Hamas weaker, deny them whatever crude
        weapons they have and continue this pressure until they’re gone.

        Here’s a better idea. Make Israel weaker, deny them whatever weapons, money and diplomatic support they have and continue this pressure until they end the occupation and abide by the countless UNSC Resolutions and international law.

      • Faisal
        July 13, 2014, 2:52 pm

        Gazans are mostly 1948 refugees, occupied since 1967 and besieged since 2007; yet you’re incensed by home-made rockets fired at their displacers, occupiers and besiegers. Is the Zionistic ghetto of mind your’re trapped in this hermetically sealed?

        (The comment/reply section doesn’t work in this topic so I’ll do it here)

        Oh, I guess only countries with constitutions that are written and codified (like North Korea and Syria) have systems of law, justice and due process.

        Similar to the UK and New Zealand, Israel does not have a written constitution, but a constitutional framework that functions as an unwritten constitution that can be interpreted by its Supreme Court (which has had justices of Arab and Jewish nationality sitting on it) in the form of its Basic Laws, legislative statutes, and previous judicial precedents.

        North Korea and Syria don’t exile, occupy and besiege the equivelant of 120% of their state populations (over 5 million Levant refugees and over 4.4 million West Bank and Gaza Strip Palestinians with the your settler-colonial ethnocracy at about 8 millions) because they’re of the wrong demographic group).
        Your beloved regime lacks a constitution because it has wants to acquire land through invasion and annexation; not through indigeneity, ancestry, co-existence or even international law; but along demographic and ethnocratic lines. Not to mention defining who a Jew is, since it calls itself “the Jewish state”, and also to make controlling the “wrong” demographic groups easier since they’re in a “Jewish state”.

      • Faisal
        July 13, 2014, 3:16 pm

        And as a term of art, in Israel there is currently no such thing as Israeli “nationality,” but there is Israeli citizenship.
        People of various national origins , whether Jewish, Arab or other, can hold Israel citizenship (Jewish, of course refers to a national identity and not merely adherents of the religion that has come to be called in English “Judaism” in its various forms.
        Atheist and agnostics who have no belief in or affinity for any of the doctrines of “Judaism,” can nevertheless be Jews by nationality).
        Semantically speaking, as “Israeli” has for centuries been synonymous with “Jew” in the Diaspora and within Eretz Yisrael (the Hebrew expression ‘am yisrael always referred to the Jewish People–not citizens of the modern nation-state of Israel–and in European languages–terms like “Israelite” were substituted for Jew in polite company)-calling non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state “Israeli Arabs” or “Israeli Armenians” or whatever the case may be is tantamount to recognizing a Jewish civic citizenship without imposing a Jewish national identity on them.

        I’m sure that gives solace to the displaced, dispossessed and exterminated indigenous population of historic Palestine by a settler-colonial and ethno-nationalist movement that appoints itself the spokesperson of Jews.

        The apartheid state that allows full enfranchisement and representation for the minority of citizens who are not Jewish .
        (Unlike the apartheid state that forbade that to the majority of non-white citizens.
        ) The “eliminationist” state that has seen its non-Jewish population quintuple in 6 decades.

        That’s like saying if Ecuador “allows” the indigenous population in mainland Ecuador to reproduce; while exiling millions in neighbouring countries, occupying Galápagos and besieging Isla Puná; then Ecuador won’t be an eliminationist apartheid state.

  17. RoHa
    July 11, 2014, 9:26 pm

    “” Have not the Jews suffered enough all of these years to have a homeland?”…Wolf

    So the principle is “if you suffer enough, you deserve a homeland”. How is that supposed to work? What is the connection between suffering and deserving a homeland? Is it some sort of compensation?

    How much do you have to suffer?

    And does it have to be a specific kind of suffering, or does any type of suffering (toothache, failure to get tenure, bombing raids) count? After more than twenty years of marriage to me, does my wife deserve a homeland? And with the piped music in supermarkets, I must surely deserve two.

    Is suffering the only way you can deserve a homeland? If so, people who haven’t suffered don’t deserve one. But suppose they’ve already got one. (Found it lying around somewhere, and no one else claimed it.) should it be taken away from them, and given to someone who has suffered?

    And, most importantly, does “deserve a homeland” imply an exclusive homeland, rather than sharing it with other people?

    • Mikhael
      July 11, 2014, 11:00 pm

      RoHa says:
      July 11, 2014 at 9:26 pm
      So the principle is “if you suffer enough, you deserve a homeland”. How is that supposed to work? What is the connection between suffering and deserving a homeland? Is it some sort of compensation?

      How much do you have to suffer?

      The Jewish People’s right to national self determination in a state of their own is a right that stands independent from the fact of historical Jewish suffering in the Diaspora. Jews collectively constitute a national group and trace their roots to this particular piece of real estate. Jews have always lived in Eretz Yisrael and have the right to political independence in their historical homeland no less than any other national group, no less than Kosovar Albanians, East Timorese, and Palestinian Arabs.

      And, most importantly, does “deserve a homeland” imply an exclusive homeland, rather than sharing it with other people?

      Since Jews regained independence in a modern nation-state some 66 years ago, the rights and benefits of Israeli democracy have been available to the non-Jews who are citizens of the Israeli Jewish state. Therefore, the Jewish nation-state has now been been shared with other people for its seventh decade. Since the UN voted on partition of the former British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (NB–nobody mentioned a “Palestinian state” back then, because the concept of a “Palestinan People” was unknown at the time), the consensus of the leadership of the Yishuv has been to share the land in two states for two peoples. Since 1993, it has been official policy of every Israeli government to negotiate a just two-state solution to enable the Arabs who have adopted a Palestinian national identity to attain a state of their own.

      It is Palestinian Arab nationalism and its Islamist offshoots that advocates for an exclusive ethnic and/or religious homeland–see the text of the Palestine National Charter and the Hamas Covenant.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 7:31 pm

        Jews collectively constitute a national group and trace their roots to this particular piece of real estate.

        Rubbish. Their religion might be linked to Paledine, but as an ethnic group, they have no connections Whatsoever.

        Jewish claims to to Palestine are as spurious as Christian or Muslim claims.

        <blockquote< Jews have always lived in Eretz Yisrael and have the right to political independence in their historical homeland no less than any other national group

        That’s not what Israeli leaders are saying. They claims it is theirs exclusively, and no one else’s. So if you wouldn’t mind passing that on to them do that they came squeeze up a little and allow Palestinian refugees to return , you might have done credibility.

        Unlike the majority if Jews in Israel, the Kosovar Albanians, East Timorese, and Palestinian Arabs did not arrive by boat and claim the land as their own.

        Since Jews regained independence in a modern nation-state some 66 years ago

        What do you regained? Israel was created for the first time in 1948.

        benefits of Israeli democracy have been available to the non-Jews who are citizens of the Israeli Jewish state.

        We all know that’s rubbish. Israel is an apartheid state through and theory. The Israeli Supreme Court recently denied the existence of an Israeli nationality on the grounds it would threaten Jewish privilege. There are over 30 law in Israel that discriminated against non Jews. Arabs are not allowed to purchase land in 90% of Israel.

        Since the UN voted on partition of the former British Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (NB–nobody mentioned a “Palestinian state” back then

        Liar. Pierre Orts, chairman of the permanent Mandate Commission of the League of Nations debunked that lie/

        “Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.”

        link to unispal.un.org

        Note there was no mention of a Jewish state or Jewish sovereignty.

        Note the concept of a “Palestinan People” was re if recognized at the time.

        Since 1993, it has been official policy of every Israeli government to negotiate a just two-state solution to enable the Arabs who have adopted a Palestinian national identity to attain a state of their own.

        False. Since Herzl it has been the goal to take the land and remove the Palestinians from it.

        Not only was Oslo merely a recipe for maintaining the occupation but Rabin was assassinated for signing it after the current prime minister whipper up hysteria and called for his head. In fact, as Miko Peled points out, the only reason the Israelis agree to peace talks is that by 1993, they were confident they had already detailed any possibility of a Palestinian state from Ever emerging.

        Every leader abide then has expanded the settlements to add even kore nails to the coffin.

        It is Zionism that since Herzl, advocated for an exclusive ethnic and/or religious homeland–see the text of his book and diaries as well as Likud Charter.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 10:35 am

        Shingo says:
        July 12, 2014 at 7:31 pm That’s not what Israeli leaders are saying. They claims it is theirs exclusively, and no one else’s. So if you wouldn’t mind passing that on to them do that they came squeeze up a little and allow Palestinian refugees to return , you might have done credibility

        EVery current Israeli government since 1993 has explicitly endorsed the two-state solution. The two-state solution does not mean a return by Israel to the 1949 Armistice Liones that existed between Israel and Jordan.
        Foreign Arab co-called “refugees” do not have a “right” of “return” into a sovereign nation state. They do and should have a right to self-determination and a state of their own, in some of the disputed areas where they constitute a majority. If and when they achieve that desired goal, then they should have the right to welcome whoever they want into their state.

      • pjdude
        July 12, 2014, 8:19 pm

        well except for the fact jews have no right to self determination. A religions never have the right to self determination. and B. self determination is the people of a teritory deciding their political status. illegally conquering another people’s country isn’t self determiantion is a war crime. its not their homeland cause modern jews have nothing to do with the ancient hebrews other than sharing the same faith. your lies show your precious country for horror it is.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 9:29 am

        pjdude says:
        July 12, 2014 at 8:19 pm

        well except for the fact jews have no right to self determination. A religions never have the right to self determination.

        Except that Jews constitute collectively a nationality. “Judaism” (an English-language word that really has no meaning to those Jews who say they follow halakha and Torah) is merely a national religion that many Jews profess.

        Jews who are atheist or agnostic and completely deny the existence of a “deity” (like me) and have no religious feeling or belief still remain Jews by nationality. You are very confused.

        self determination is the people of a teritory deciding their political status.

        There has never been a period in the past 3,000 years that the Jews of the territory of Eretz Yisrael have no been present in this territory. At the wane of the British Mandate on 15 May 1948, there were more than 600,000 Palestinian* Jews. Palestinian Jews in 1948 declared the independence of their state and declared themselves Israelis on that date.

        its not their homeland cause modern jews have nothing to do with the ancient hebrews other than sharing the same faith

        Modern Jews are indeed in large part descended from ancient Hebrew and Israelite populations–they do not “share the same faith”. Many modern Jews, such as yours truly have no religious faith at all. Even devout Jews do not practice the same religion their ancestors did, it has evolved and mutated too much over the centuries.

        *(I must use the objectionable term “Palestinian” to describe people who were forced to accept British Palestinian citizenship at this historical juncture. My ancestors, who had lived continuously in Eretz Yisrael under the Ottomans (and probably before, in one branch) for centuries prior to the British taking over in 1917 never became “Palestinians” until after the British imposed citizenship on them in 1925, they ceased to be “Palestinian” along with every Jew in the former Mandate, when the Mandate ended.)

      • RoHa
        July 12, 2014, 10:07 pm

        “The Jewish People’s right to national self determination in a state of their own”

        We have repeatedly argued that there is no such right. Either present an argument to support your claim, or stop claiming it. It is simply dishonest to claim it without facing up to the arguments.

        “Jews collectively constitute a national group”

        So Australian Jews are not real Australians, but belong to some other nation? Better throw all the Jewish MPs out of Federal Parliament, then. Federal law says that federal MPs can only have Australian nationality, and no other.

        “and trace their roots to this particular piece of real estate.”

        The Welsh can trace their “roots” to Central Europe. That does not give them any rights to Slovakia.

        According to the standard theory, all human beings originate from somewhere in Africa, and yet Africans complained about the British claiming Kenya.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 9:41 am

        RoHa says:
        July 12, 2014 at 10:07 pm

        We have repeatedly argued that there is no such right.

        Jews have always regarded themselves as one nation, they share common descent with each other, have a common national language, and most trace their roots to the same piece of land.

        So Australian Jews are not real Australians, but belong to some other nation? Better throw all the Jewish MPs out of Federal Parliament, then. Federal law says that federal MPs can only have Australian nationality, and no other.

        That’s a matter for Australia (a not very relevant country) to decide. While they are at it, they should then also remove any MP who is of Greek, Italian or Maltese national origins, to be fair. But you are deliberately confusing nationality and citizenship. Not every individual of Jewish nationality is fortunate enough to be a citizen of the Jewish
        nation-state of Israel. If Australian law *forbids holding dual citizenship for its MPs, then dual Australian-Israeli citizens, as well as dual Australian-UK citizens, etc. should be barred from holding office if that’s what your law says.

        *In Israel, people who hold dual citizenship may not serve as Members of Knesset. Any person of Jewish nationality who has moved to Israel from a foreign country, such as Australia, and is elected to Knesset, must give up his/her foreign citizenship upon being sworn in to Knesset. There is no bar on citizens of non-Jewish nationality being MKs, however.

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 9:45 am

        Per dictionary.com, the secondary definition of nationality accords with the Israeli definition and common colloquial usage. You are deliberately conflating nationality only with citzenship status.

        na·tion·al·i·ty
        ˌnaSHəˈnalitē/
        noun
        noun: nationality; plural noun: nationalities

        1.
        the status of belonging to a particular nation.
        “they changed their nationality and became Lebanese”
        synonyms: citizenship More
        “what is your nationality?”
        distinctive national or ethnic character.
        “the change of a name does not discard nationality”
        2.
        an ethnic group forming a part of one or more political nations.
        “all the main nationalities of Ethiopia”
        synonyms: ethnic group, ethnic minority, tribe, clan, race, nation
        “all the main nationalities of Ethiopia”

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 10:17 am

        RoHa says:
        July 12, 2014 at 10:07 pm

        We have repeatedly argued that there is no such right.

        The totality of Jewish history, the common ancestral links among Jews, the shared language and culture, and Jews’ tracing their history to Eretz Yisrael belie your “argument”.

        It is simply dishonest to claim it without facing up to the arguments.

        So Australian Jews are not real Australians, but belong to some other nation? Better throw all the Jewish MPs out of Federal Parliament, then. Federal law says that federal MPs can only have Australian nationality, and no other.

        I am not very interested in Australian law (as a non-Australian, why should I be?), but you are deliberately confusing the concepts of citizenship with nationality. If Australian law says dual citizens cannot sit in Parliament, that is what the law says. I don’t believe that there are Jewish MPs in Australia who hold foreign citizenship. Not all Jews in the Diaspora are fortunate enough to hold citizenship in the Jewish nation-state of Israel. Nationality, when referring to Jewish nationality, clearly refers to belonging to a distinct cultural group of a certain national origin.
        In Israel, we also have rules against people of dual citizenship sitting in Knesset. A Jew from Australia, for instance, who is smart enough and fortunate enough to be able to move to Israel, may keep his/her Australian citizenship, but if he/she is elected to Knesset, then he/she must renounce it upon taking oath. A citizen of non-Jewish nationality, e.g., an Muslim Arab who is a citizen of Israel, keeps his/her nationality upon being elected to Knesset.

        The Welsh can trace their “roots” to Central Europe. That does not give them any rights to Slovakia.

        Unlike the Jews, the Celtic-language speakers who migrated to the British Isles from Central Europe, in and around the area of present-day Slovakia, to form the nation of Cymru, did not maintain an unbroken physical presence in Central Europe as members of a Celtic nation in Central Europe for centuries, there was never a “Diaspora” from the Central European Celtic homeland that nurtured a return to the homeland as an article of faith, and they did not have a national culture that was bound up in the idea of return to it. Whatever tribal or national identity the remote ancestors of the present-day Welsh once had in a Central European Ur Heimat has vanished and been subsumed. We Jews have never given up our national identity, in contrast. We Jews have always been present, as members of a Jewish nation, in Eretz Yisrael, even as we became a minority surrounded by foreigners. Jews have always migrated back to the original homeland, but not in any appreciable numbers to make a difference until the mid-19th century.

        According to the standard theory, all human beings originate from somewhere in Africa, and yet Africans complained about the British claiming Kenya.

        See above re the Welsh and Central Europe.

    • biorabbi
      July 12, 2014, 12:03 am

      Roha, you got me there. I do deserve a homeland if marital suffering counts. Sheesh.

      Interesting, the Egyptians briefly opened their Gaza border Thursday, and slammed it closed tonight, citing smuggling of rockets out of Gaza into Sinai.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 2:56 am

        Interesting, the Egyptians briefly opened their Gaza border Thursday, and slammed it closed tonight, citing smuggling of rockets out of Gaza into Sinai.

        Translation: El Sisi got a phone call to close it from Washington and/or Tel Aviv.

      • Justpassingby
        July 12, 2014, 3:08 am

        God that sisi is pathetic, heck even Muhbarak showed more support for gazans.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 4:50 am

        God that sisi is pathetic, heck even Muhbarak showed more support for gazans.

        Yes he is pathetic, and so is Egypt. They’ve gone from being the epicentre of the Arab world to being a laughing stock. Like they say, you get the leaders you deserve and Egyptians deserve no better.

        It’s amazing how their screw up makes us nostalgic for Mubarak.

      • Kay24
        July 12, 2014, 6:48 am

        There were rumors that he was pro Israel. Now it might be clearer.
        Seems like there is no compassion even around the Palestinians countries.
        They know these people are trapped and nowhere to go. This is inhumane.
        The hospitals are struggling to cope with the casualties, and looks like no one wants to help. The fear for what the Americans may say or want them to do, prevents them from doing the humane thing.

      • Mooser
        July 12, 2014, 11:19 am

        “Roha, you got me there. I do deserve a homeland if marital suffering counts. Sheesh.”

        All my ex’s live in settlements? So now you are blaming your ex-wives? Lowest thing I ever saw.

    • Talkback
      July 12, 2014, 4:54 am

      And, most importantly, does “deserve a homeland” imply an exclusive homeland, rather than sharing it with other people?

      Normally it’s the denizens/citizens of a certain country or region whose majority wants to create a state for their own in this territory.

      In Zionism a minority of settlers, refugees and illegal immigrants should have a right to immigrate under colonial protection and take over a country by force and expell its denizens/citizens for demographic reasons. Zionists call that “right to self determination”. LOL.

      • Mooser
        July 12, 2014, 11:21 am

        I am seeing the very funny “auto-determination” used now instead of “self-determination” they actually found a phrase which means less!

      • Mikhael
        July 13, 2014, 11:40 am

        Mooser says:
        July 12, 2014 at 11:21 am

        I am seeing the very funny “auto-determination” used now instead of “self-determination” they actually found a phrase which means less!

        This is not a new term in re Zionism, and it has just as much meaning as it did when Pinsker’s manifesto was first published (link to en.wikipedia.org).

        The modern political Zionist movement is a response and reaction to centuries of Jewish passivity, whether it was devout Jews in Exile or those already living in the homeland praying to a deaf, dumb and blind god to restore us in our homeland through the agency of the Jewish Messiah, or in 19th the secular version, waiting for sovereigns like Napoleon, non-Jewish Messiahs, to “emancipate” ghettoized Jewish populations by granting them civic rights along other citizens for the first time.

        Pinsker rightly diagnosed the underlying problem and called for Jews to emancipate themselves. It’s a done deal, and we won’t be going back to what was before.

  18. MahaneYehude1
    July 12, 2014, 12:16 pm

    Five minutes ago, heavy missile attack from Gaza to…The West Bank. Channel 2 reported that the Palestinian Authority asked Israel to use sirens when missile hit Palestinian territory.

    • Mikhael
      July 13, 2014, 11:45 am

      MahaneYehude1 says:
      July 12, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      Five minutes ago, heavy missile attack from Gaza to…The West Bank. Channel 2 reported that the Palestinian Authority asked Israel to use sirens when missile hit Palestinian territory.

      They hit Nahariya too, which is only 10 km from Lebanon. If they hit Naqoura, in Lebanon, will the IDF be required to provide Hezbolla with Iron Dome protection?

  19. Kathleen
    July 12, 2014, 2:51 pm

    All over the news that Israel giving warnings that Palestinians should evacuate. No one ask where they should evacuate to?

    Silence about ongoing illegal settlement expansion as one of the root causes of Palestinian anger and rockets. We hear one pundit after the next talking about “root causes” of the “humanitarian crisis” on our border with central American children. How the U.S. has meddled in central American affairs for decades undermining the welfare of the people. Rachel Maddowl, Joy Reid, Chris Hayes, Lawrence O’Donnell Chris Matthews, etc addressing the “root causes” of this very sad “humanitarian crisis” but not the “root causes” of the “humanitarian crisis” of the I/P conflict

    • adele
      July 12, 2014, 4:42 pm

      Precisely, Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere to seek safety or evacuate to. Gaza is a deathtrap thanks to Israel. I saw a report earlier (on twitter I believe) with photos of bombed out boats along the Gazan coast. There is no place on earth where these depraved monsters can confess their sins, and when Dante created his circles of hell he never envisaged the crimes against Gaza. Such bitter days, and to think that this is happening during Ramadan.
      My mood is so bleak and I can’t help my words reflecting this.

  20. Walid
    July 12, 2014, 2:57 pm

    Israel’s channel 2 is now reporting that it’s RAINING missiles all over Tel Aviv.

    Where’s Iron Dome? Whole city must be in severe shock. They should airlift psychologists from the US.

    • Taxi
      July 12, 2014, 3:13 pm

      LOL!

      Hamas means business – they are totally looking to establish a balance of terror with the vile idf: they gave prior warning that they would be hitting tel aviv with 4 kassams at 9pm and waddayouknow they freaking did it! Iron Dome Shmiron Dome!! And how embarrassing to the mighty idf – heh heh!
      link to jpost.com

      Tomorrow morning, israelis are gonna wake up and realize that they’re not as untouchable as they thought they once were. They’re gonna know that there’s a price now for f*cking with the Palestinians.

      See, you don’t have to have the bigger gun and the bigger friend, you just have to have smarts and sumud.

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 3:42 pm

        Taxi, we know how Israelis can become as animals and start killing indiscriminately. I think tonight we are going to see this ugly side. That mosque that was pulverized was full of worshipers. Pure viciousness. 9 bodies pulled out of the mosque rubble so far, some of them decapitated.

        Home of the Gaza police chief just destroyed. Very ugly night in store for Gaza.

        Israel just ordered that all eastern bordering homes with Israel be abandoned as they are going to bomb them.

      • Taxi
        July 12, 2014, 4:45 pm

        Walid,

        The Gazans have a choice to either die in agonizing slo-mo or resist right now with everything they have in the face of raging israeli evil. The time is now to assert a balance of terror so that israel is denied the ability to bomb them with utter savage impunity any old time of day or night.

        Palestinians are not alone in this war – the regional axis of resistance is ready in the sidelines, hisbollah spokesperson pretty much said so tonight on al mayadeen. Tonight the humiliated idf-effers will lash out like senseless, brute monsters. Tomorrow they’ll have to answer some hard questions from their traumatized citizens; they’ll have to explain why they couldn’t protect their precious tel aviv despite all the latest hi-tec armory/drones/radars at their desposal. And yeah, the day the after they will have to answer to the ICC for their willful war crimes

        Solidarity with the people of Gaza – love to the people of Gaza. People of Palestine stay united – this is your ultimate weapon. Justice and peace is within reach.

        *Just heard that rockets from south Lebanon hit northern israel and israel responded.

    • Walid
      July 12, 2014, 3:14 pm

      Israel’s channel 10 has just announced that after the barrage of missiles on Tel Aviv, the Iron Dome is declared a FAILURE.

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 3:19 pm

        Israel must be really pissed off, they just destroyed the Yasser Arafat family home near the Rafah border.

        Anti-Israel demos in Haifa now. Last night, there were demonstrations in 20 towns on the West Bank at checkpoints with Palestinian youth using fireworks against the soldiers that responded with tear gas.

        2 explosions heard in Jerusalem.

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 3:32 pm

        Israel started reacting to the Tel Aviv barrage. The 4th mosque was hit and offshore Israeli ships are shelling the coastal area.

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 3:56 pm

        Rocket just landed in Nahariya, supposedly shot from south Lebanon.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 12, 2014, 3:57 pm

        thanks walid, i am going to tweet that

      • Walid
        July 12, 2014, 4:21 pm

        In that last massacre of a few minutes ago, it was actually in a building (home of chief of Gaza police) next to the mosque where people that had been praying exited the mosque and entered the house. 15 dead and 45 seriously injured.

        It’s being said that Israel appears to be concentrating on heavily populated areas to get the most kills with their missiles.

      • jon s
        July 12, 2014, 4:45 pm

        Iron dome is a huge success, intercepted all the terrorist rockets aimed at TelAviv this evening, seven out of seven.

      • Shingo
        July 12, 2014, 11:38 pm

        Iron dome is a huge success, intercepted all the terrorist rockets aimed at TelAviv this evening, seven out of seven.

        147 out fo 900 is a huge failure. That’s a success rate of 16%.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 12, 2014, 11:45 pm

        @Shingo:

        147 out fo 900 is a huge failure. That’s a success rate of 16%.

        First, the system intercepts only long range missiles and only missiles that are going to hit populated areas. Second, is this your problem with the missiles attacks? the percentages of the interceptions?

      • Taxi
        July 13, 2014, 12:38 am

        jon s,

        Erm… maybe you missed the exciting news last night. Hamas announced to the idf that they will be sending 4 rockets to tel aviv at 9pm. The idf scrambled for a couple of hours getting ready to intercept the rockets, using all their hi-tec war gizmos and radars etc. And when 9pm came: whoaaaaah the four rockets hit right on time, followed by more and more and more rockets on tel aviv.

        Like Walid said: israeli TV last night announced that the Iron Dome is a complete “FAILURE”!

        MAKE EQUITABLE PEACE OR PACK YER BAGS ALREADY!

  21. subconscious
    July 12, 2014, 3:21 pm

    There seems to be some sort of mismatch between the 2 projectile hits in the clip. There’s a larger white building which gets demolished after the missile hit. Beside it is the gray shorter building, which is the one that gets the mortar “knock on the roof or balcony” at the beginning. A person, apparently in white outfit, comes out on the gray roof/balcony around 0:55, and shortly thereafter is the missile hit, after which the white building lay in ruins but the neighboring gray one that got the “roof knock” is standing.

    In other words, it appears that the building that got the warning and the one that got the hit are not the same! Does that mean that the white building had gotten a warning earlier, as someone suggested above, and the gray one possibly got demolished later on? Or did the Israelis make a mistake in either the warning or the hit? In any case, it is terrorizing.

  22. Walid
    July 12, 2014, 4:53 pm

    Official Israeli reports released tonight that on the 650 rockets launched from Gaza, the Iron Dome system intercepted 143. Guess they’re trying to cheer people up.

    More about Lebanon, actual number of rockets launched from Lebanon at around 9:00 pm local time is 3 and the source is from the Tyre region. Israel’s northern commander is saying he considers the northern front opened. BTW, today is the 8th anniversary of the war waged on Lebanon in 2006.

  23. iResistDe4iAm
    July 13, 2014, 1:29 am

    The IRA used to pre-warn its bombing targets via telephone calls. Its bombings were still terrorist crimes.
    The mafia and other criminal gangs warn their intended targets through extortion. Their thefts, kidnappings and murders are still crimes.

    History is full of tyrants, dictators and fascists who have practiced collective punishment extortion, where groups of defenceless civilians are pre-warned and held hostage under constant threat of collective punishment. Not only is the punishment meted out to civilians for crimes they do not commit, but for crimes over which they have absolutely no control.

    Such sadistic collective punishment is no less tolerable whether it involves death, rape, plunder, or simply just bombing people in their homes.

    Israel, the most immoral occupier in the world.

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