Photo Essay: Israeli soliders destroy Qawasmeh and Aisha family homes in retribution attack

Israel/Palestine
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Israeli Defense Forces raided the homes of Amar Abu Aisha and Marwan Qawasmeh in the city of Hebron on Monday evening, June 30th into the morning of July 1st. At approximately 12:00 am, soldiers set up explosives in both homes, detonating them after the families were evacuated. Israeli intelligence has accused both men of allegedly kidnapping the settler teens. The whereabouts of both men are unknown.

Amar Abu Aisha’s father was arrested four days ago and two of his sons were arrested fourteen days ago.

Umm Sharif, Marwan Qawasmeh’s mother, recounted how the IDF had delayed the transport of her husband to the hospital, who has cancer and suffers from asthma. Marwan’s wife and 2-month-old nephew were taken to the hospital after sustaining moderate injuries from the blast but have since recovered. His wife was summoned for questioning this morning at Atzion Prison along with Marwan’s sister and brother.

The Qawasmeh family had just prepared an iftar meal around 7:45pm and had not yet eaten when Israeli forces entered their home. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

The Qawasmeh family had just prepared an iftar meal around 7:45pm and had not yet eaten when Israeli forces entered their home. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A kitchen in the Qawasmeh family home.  “They didn’t leave one glass unbroken,” says Umm Sharif Qawasmeh. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A kitchen in the Qawasmeh family home. “They didn’t leave one glass unbroken,” says Umm Sharif Qawasmeh. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Israeli soldiers used knives from the kitchen to destroy furniture throughout the Qawasmeh  home. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Israeli soldiers used knives from the kitchen to destroy furniture throughout the Qawasmeh home. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Neighbors and family members inspect the damage of the second floor living room after IDF set off explosives during the night. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Neighbors and family members inspect the damage of the second floor living room after IDF set off explosives during the night. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Remnants of the second floor living room and kitchen. “There’s nothing left,” says Umm Sharif Qawasmeh. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Remnants of the second floor living room and kitchen. “There’s nothing left,” says Umm Sharif Qawasmeh. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Family members walk in the second floor hallway where the blast blew through the front wall and cracked several others. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Family members walk in the second floor hallway where the blast blew through the front wall and cracked several others. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Several families live together in the large home.  Every sink was broken by Israeli soldiers. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Several families live together in the large home. Every sink was broken by Israeli soldiers. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

IDF searched and destroyed most of the Abu Aisha family’s belongings before setting off explosives in the second floor living room.  A nearby car was damaged from flying debris when the home was bombed. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

IDF searched and destroyed most of the Abu Aisha family’s belongings before setting off explosives in the second floor living room. A nearby car was damaged from flying debris when the home was bombed. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

IDF searched all the kitchens in the home, emptying containers of sugar, rice and oil and breaking dishes, appliances and cabinets. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

IDF searched all the kitchens in the home, emptying containers of sugar, rice and oil and breaking dishes, appliances and cabinets. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A neighbor walks across the second floor living room that was completely destroyed by the late night blast. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A neighbor walks across the second floor living room that was completely destroyed by the late night blast. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Family members and neighbors inspect the damage.  The Aisha family was kept inside during much of the raid until soldiers evacuated them outside to detonate the explosives. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

Family members and neighbors inspect the damage. The Aisha family was kept inside during much of the raid until soldiers evacuated them outside to detonate the explosives. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A neighbor boy stands amidst the rubble of the second floor living room. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

A neighbor boy stands amidst the rubble of the second floor living room. (Photo: Kelly Lynn)

228 Responses

  1. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 10:45 am

    The Israeli Army

    Call us for

    – Traffic management
    – Furniture alterations
    – Petty cruelty
    – checkpoint processing
    – sunglass modeling

    No job too small minded.

    In case of genuine war, contact US Army resupply

    • Reds
      July 1, 2014, 4:58 pm

      Ron Dermer was on ATC on NPR to give his take to Robert Siegel. Supposedly this is an moral thing to do while promoting collective punishment and defending it by claiming Palestinians are a culture of death.

      If course Human rights groups or the P.A. Couldn’t be reached to dispute his claims.

      • Reds
        July 1, 2014, 4:59 pm

        “Of course”

  2. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 10:48 am

    This really annoyed me

    link to mailman.gush-shalom.org
    “The kidnapping and murder of three boys is a crime deserving all condemnation”, says former Knesset Member Uri Avnery of Gush Shalom.
    “No political cause can justify such an act, and among other things the perpetrators caused grave damage to the Palestinian people.

    Palestinian rights are inalienable. Imagine the uproar if someone from the Klan said that the Warsaw ghetto uprising caused grave damage to the Jewish people.
    The Israeli Army decides to kill Palestinians and is responsible for those deaths, not the Palestinian people.

    More bullshit from the Defence minister

    link to haaretz.com
    “Ya’alon at funeral: No rest until we bring kidnappers to justice”
    There is no justice in the West Bank. The settlers “own” 62% of the land.

  3. Woody Tanaka
    July 1, 2014, 10:48 am

    It’s a pogrom. And the Palestinians would be well within their rights to respond in kind, with force. And since the Israelis, by this attack, have shown that they don’t give a damn if someone is innocent or not, they’ve just made every Israeli, anywhere in the world a possible target. May they reap what they sow and this devilish act be cast back on the Israelis a hundred fold.

    • amigo
      July 1, 2014, 10:56 am

      “May they reap what they sow and this devilish act be cast back on the Israelis a hundred fold.” Woody

      You are far too lenient.

      Btw, you mean 80% of Israelis, surely.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 12:10 pm

        “Btw, you mean 80% of Israelis, surely.”

        I mean every one who is okay with the destruction of Palestine and the oppression of the Palestinians. Less than 80%, but far, far too many, and, basically 100% of the ruling regime.

  4. amigo
    July 1, 2014, 10:53 am

    Mehane, are you proud of your idf thugs handywork.

    This is a war crime btw.Add it to that long long list attributable to the Apartheid rogue nation you are so proud of.

    link to electronicintifada.net

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 12:03 pm

      Collective punishment. What crime did the girl in the picture commit ?

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 12:07 pm

        “What crime did the girl in the picture commit ?”

        To the zionist, she’s guilty of the ultimate crime: she was born in Palestine with non-Jewish blood.

      • American
        July 1, 2014, 9:23 pm

        ” What crime did the girl in the picture commit ?
        >>>>>>>>

        She was born with a disease.
        I have nothing to say about this current Israel attack, they’ve done this so many times I’d just be repeating myself.
        But I can point to the hate and self destructive insanity, ‘masquerading’ as fear of the other, behind what they do. They are determined to provoke a showdown in the nations between Jews and Others.

        link to independent.co.uk

        Robert Fisk

        snips…

        ”Not long ago, I was handed the most outrageous, vile, dishonest and slanderous calumny uttered against the people of Canada. It was contained in a full-page advertisement in the National Post.

        Here is the headline: “Almost 4 million Canadians are afflicted by this disease.”

        Beneath this title is a half-page, very blurred and uncaptioned colour photo of a large crowd – they could be football supporters, rush-hour commuters in Vancouver, you name it; they are mostly white males but include women and with at least one dark-skinned man close to the camera.
        Beneath the picture, this incredible ad continues: “Left unchecked, it [the disease] can result in violence tendencies. Many times, those infected haven’t been diagnosed and may pass it on to their children, grandchildren, colleagues or friends. Please help stop the spread of this disease before it contaminates your community.”

        Could this refer to some of the six million Canadians who may be living with HIV/Aids? Or the 4.5 million Canadians affected by arthritis? Or the 2.5 million Canadians believed to have diabetes? Or even some of the estimated 7.8 million Canadians treated for depression each year?

        Nope. This is far more serious. For the “disease” afflicting “almost 4 million Canadians” is “anti-Semitism” and this disgusting advertisement – published without comment by one of Canada’s leading right-wing newspapers – was produced by B’nai Brith Canada and the “Jewish Christian Alliance”.
        “At the first sign of anti-Semitism,” this appalling ad concludes, “call the B’nai Brith Canada Anti-Hate Hotline…” In other words, this pro-Israeli Jewish group – whose exaggerations and hateful propaganda have been rightly condemned by Jewish Canadians – claims that four million of their fellow-countrymen and women are sick, racist neo-Nazis. What other conclusion are we supposed to draw if almost 9 per cent of the Canadian population is “diseased”, “infected” and “contaminated”.

      • oldgeezer
        July 1, 2014, 11:25 pm

        Who reads the national post? In all sincerity. It’s a vile ad but who cares. I’m long past caring. I don’t wish any ill on any Israeli or Palestinian. I don’t even equate being Israeli with being Jewish. Not even remotely the same thing. I really don’t care how someone labels me. Unlike some I don’t want to see Israel destroyed or even it’s Jewish character (although I think the implementation is wrong…. I think maybe there can be a way to do it while recognizing universal human rights. not sure about that though…). I believe in judging every individual as an individual based on their own character. Canada has generally been somewhat objective if that means we don’t toe the party line. We have backed the Palestinian position or the Israeli position depending on the circumstances. The current Harper government is truly an embarrassment. He is a lick spittle slave and demeans the highest office of this country. The UCC, one of the major religious organizations in this country, has consistently spoken out about the injustice.

        But the national post has always been a second rate trash rag. No wonder they’d run such an ad. I think they may make the top ten but most papers don’t market themselves nationally.

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 12:12 pm

      Of course Israelis are proud of their sons and daughters. Just as the parents of the two Hamas affiliated suspects are proud of their own sons and how an entire network of Palestinians is keeping them well hidden and safe from capture. I am sure when and if they are captured you will be referring to them as “boys” just as you referred to 19yr old un-enlisted Eyal Y’frak as a ‘soldier’. Your every bit as much of a ‘thug’ in mind and spirit as you accuse the IDF of being.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 12:55 pm

        “Of course Israelis are proud of their sons and daughters.”

        Yeah, nothing says “pride” like watching your young terrorists in unform torture innocent Palestinians… What a diseased society you Zionists have for yourselves there.

    • MahaneYehude1
      July 1, 2014, 1:26 pm

      @Amigo:

      Yes, Sir!!! In this hard day I proud to be Israeli. I proud that my government and my army did all efforts to bring their sons back home (unfortunately, this time, the bodies), I proud that my government cared even one soldier captured in Gaza for years, I proud my government did all efforts to bring back home bodies of three soldiers, one of them Muslim, from Lebanon back home, I proud my government put billions of dollars building shelters and develops equipments to protect its citizen, I proud in an open and democratic society, I proud, Amigo, I proud…

      I love you Israel, I love you IDF, I love you the people of Israel.

      Regards, my friend.

      • Cliff
        July 1, 2014, 1:42 pm

        Kahane

        You are a despicable monster from a nation of monsters.

        I hope you and your cult go the way of Nazi Germany and other fascist societies.

        Only in Israel, can you pick on people weaker than you.

        You and your fellow Zionist Jews are cowards and criminals.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 2:01 pm

        “I love you Israel, I love you IDF, I love you the people of Israel. ”

        When a pogrom is on going as we speak and the lives of millions of Palestinians are on the chopping block, this sort of cheering for the criminals should be a banning offense.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 1, 2014, 6:53 pm

        @ Woody Tanaka,

        Q: … this sort of cheering for the criminals should be a banning offense.

        R: And push it where? Underground? It’s great to have Israeli men and women [on record] claiming whatever they think is ‘right.’ Now we have it in black and white, can link to it and call it what it is.

      • DaBakr
        July 2, 2014, 6:15 am

        If that was a pogrom-I guess my great grandmother and aunties were a hell of a lot tougher then I thought.

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 2:14 pm

        “… I proud my government did all efforts to bring back home bodies of three soldiers, one of them Muslim, from Lebanon back home,…”

        Israel was actually more interested in getting back its spy, Colonel Elhanan Tanenbaum that Hizbullah had captured in Dubai. When it suits you guys, you refer to them as Druze . At other times when you want to get more mileage, you refer to them as Muslim, as you have done above. As far as I’m concerned, when he put on the IDF uniform, he became just another a run-of-the-mill Zionist. May Omar Sawaid rest in Zionist heaven. OOOOps, he’s a Druze, so no heaven and he would have been reincarnated.

      • amigo
        July 1, 2014, 2:16 pm

        “Regards, my friend.” club mehane.

        I do not make friends with War Crimes apologists and supporters of the Apartheid rogue entity.

        People like you three , should be made to wear “Hazardous Material ” signs.

        That is intended to protect us from your toxicity.

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 6:43 pm

        war crimes shcmore crimes. its nothing but a bunch of BS threats. they may well try and go through the ICC but Israeli and FOI lawyers will drag the court through hell and that is before Israel even brings its own war criminal charges to the Palestinian leadership/individuals and so on. The ICC is a bogus threat and most Zionists know it. Whoever is wringing their hands about that is either a fool-or in that camp of ‘leftist-zionists that you are all quickly learning have no real spine for anything…much.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:13 pm

        amigo, I know how you feel. After all we, American Jews, will be the ones who will have to clean up after the Zionists. And we will, we will. And when it’s over, watch how fast the Zionist project passes out of Jewish history. It’ll be a horribly embarrassing episode we will want to forget as quickly as possible, and I have faith that we will.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 2, 2014, 12:15 am

        @Mooser:

        After all we, American Jews, will be the ones who will have to clean up after the Zionists. And we will, we will. And when it’s over, watch how fast the Zionist project passes out of Jewish history.

        You, as a Jew, are not responsible for Zionism so no one ask you to “clean”. The Zionist movement created one of the best countries in the world for one main reason: If some day you won’t allowed to write your sophisticated comments because you are a Jew, you can continue write them from the Zionists state. Shalom from Jerusalem.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 7:42 pm

        Shalom from Jerusalem.

        He meant to say Shalom from OCCUPIED Jerusalem.

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 3:24 pm

        “I proud my government put billions of dollars building shelters and develops equipments to protect its citizen, ”

        You’re a bundle of laughs, Mahane. Of those billions spent on shelters, how much was spent building shelters for Arab-Israelis? I know that in the 2006 war, they had zero shelters.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 3:45 pm

        Yeah– he’s a hoot alright. I’m sure he proud that his beloved government and IOF murderers used white phosphorus to burn little Palestinian babies too. He proud because the US taxpayer paid for Iron Dome, etc.

        He proud alright.

      • eljay
        July 2, 2014, 7:51 pm

        >> MY1: The Zionist movement created one of the best countries in the world …

        Potato-man, you’re either an idiot or a joker. Or maybe you’re both.

        The Zio-supremacist movement used terrorism and ethnic cleansing to establish an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine.

        Thanks to the Zio-supremacist movement, that supremacist “Jewish State” has, for over 60 years:
        – remained engaged in an offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – refused to honour its obligations under international law;
        – refused to accept its responsibility for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        – refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        The supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel may be better than Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell holes”, but it is very far from being “one of the best countries in the world”.

        >> Shalom from Jerusalem.

        Occupied Jerusalem.

        By the way, you still haven’t answered the two questions I posed in this post.

      • Citizen
        July 1, 2014, 3:33 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1
        From a former AIPAC honcho: link to mail.google.com

      • eljay
        July 1, 2014, 6:18 pm

        >> Yes, Sir!!! In this hard day I proud to be Israeli. I proud that my government and my army did all efforts to bring their sons back home …

        1. How many Palestinians would your government and Occupation Forces have to murder and how much Palestinian property would your government and Occupation Forces have to destroy before you would not be proud of them for using acts of injustice and immorality to resolve a crime, Potato-man?

        2. When Israelis commit similar crimes against Palestinians, are Palestinians entitled to murder an equal number of Israelis and destroy an equal amount of Israeli property to resolve the crime? If not, why not, Potato-man?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 6:36 pm

        I proud to be Israeli.
        I proud that my government…
        I proud my government…
        I proud in an open and democratic society

        i’d like to send a message to hasbara central. this linguistic switching back and forth with one commenter in terms of his/her mastery of the english language is not impressive or convincing. is this a joke?

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:18 pm

        Anne, have you not realized that Zionist wish to portray themselves as inhumane, bigoted brutal, and devoted (ostensibly) only to Jewish welfare?
        Anything they can do to cast Jews as monsters is fine with them. They wish to foster the idea that Jews cannot live with other people, not on terms of equality, anyway. I mean, if Jews were forced to live, with no special legal protection, and as a tiny minority, the results could be disastrous. Look what happened to the Jews in the US!

      • CloakAndDagger
        July 1, 2014, 8:32 pm

        It’s just gang-bang, hasbara style.

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 10:06 pm

        I think they are now recruiting from the kindergarten. They seem desperate for more servants to spew the propaganda. They are losing the PR war, boycotts and sanctions are increasing, and they’ll pay elementary kids just to write like that. It is a sign of desperation.

      • MahaneYehude1
        July 1, 2014, 11:55 pm

        @Annie:

        Is this your problem in this day? my bad English? Only a proof that I am not belong to any “Hasbara central”, only a regular Israeli citizen that want peace, although he speaks very bad English.

      • Chu
        July 2, 2014, 9:32 am

        The simple potato salesman showing his true colors. good to note.

      • eljay
        July 2, 2014, 2:28 pm

        >> MY1: Is this your problem in this day? my bad English? Only a proof that I am not belong to any “Hasbara central”, only a regular Israeli citizen that want peace, although he speaks very bad English.

        Your English is actually quite good, Potato-man…except when it’s mysteriously quite poor. The lack of consistency is what makes your “regular Joe” (or “average Mahane”) identity suspect.

        By the way, what are your replies to the two questions I posed in this post?

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 8:28 pm

        The Zionist movement created one of the best countries in the world

        No one seems to agree with you, seeing that Israel’s popularity ranks alongside that of North Korea and Israel is internationally regarded as one fo the biggest threats to world peace.

      • Citizen
        July 3, 2014, 9:11 am

        Israel ranks fourth from the bottom of the world’s list of popular, admired countries, right after N Korea, Pakistan, and Iran. IOW, it’s one of the least popular nation states: link to haaretz.com

        Mahane is leaking ziocaine all over the place. Israel desperately needs a world intervention. Druggies are dangerous to themselves and other humans.

  5. Walid
    July 1, 2014, 11:17 am

    Woody, 10 years ago Israelis talked about turning the Palestinians into Finns. With all due respect to the Finns, the Israelis appear to have succeeded so you shouldn’t expect any show of force from the Pales that have been ransacked.

    As to those photos of the destruction left in the wake of the IDF visits to 1000 homes, it’s not only the homes of the families of the 2 suspects that got ransacked, but almost all the homes with the degree of destruction varying from home to home but in general comprised mostly of throwing people’s food such as jars of olives or rice on the kitchen floor and trampling it. Pure Zionist wickedness.

    • seafoid
      July 1, 2014, 11:51 am

      It’s all about showing who is boss. Dogs, prisoners and drug criminals do it too. It probably won’t be any group around today doing it but some day Jews in Israel will be subject to the same power game. And they’ll be screaming blue murder.

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 2:38 pm

        seafoid, Netanyahu won’t let this opportunity pass. He was waiting for the funeral to do his thing. It’s going to get very ugly.

    • Walid
      July 1, 2014, 2:18 pm

      My post above got mangled up with typos. Para 1 should have ended with “any show of force from the Palestinians”. Sorry.

    • Chu
      July 2, 2014, 9:57 am

      Palestinians should have a video camera grid installed to defend them from Israeli violence, but israeli snipers would use the cameras as target practice.

    • MahaneYehude1
      July 2, 2014, 10:05 am

      @Chu;

      The simple potato salesman showing his true colors. good to note.

      What do you mean by “showing his true colors”? Did I say new things or did I changed my opinions? I wrote until today about 1,000 comments, please read part of them and see that nothing is new. From my first day here in MW I said I am a proud Zionist and always will be.

      • Citizen
        July 2, 2014, 11:57 am

        What exactly are you proud of as a Zionist? Start with Deir Yassein, move on to Baruch Goldstein, and to the USS Liberty massacre, and fill in the gory blanks. Thanks.

    • Citizen
      July 3, 2014, 9:20 am

      Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass described the peace process situation as “a bottle of formaldehyde.” According to Weisglass, maintaining the illusion of a political process guarantees that there will be no resolution of the conflict “until the Palestinians turn into Finns.” And that, of course, continues to suit Israel just fine, because as long as the illusion is maintained, it doesn’t have to do anything but hang on to the territories it took by force in 1967. A unity Palestinian leadership (inclusive of HAMAS, and originally voted in by Palestinians as Fatah had never achieved anything in their behalf) threatens that formaldehyde, dilutes it.

      The US should talk to HAMAS and Iran. It’s in its best interest, as well as the world’s, including Israel’s.

  6. Felixio
    July 1, 2014, 11:19 am

    Any killing is despicable, but Israel is the one to blame for most of what is happening there, their attitude and behavior over the years has create a situation that is unstoppable, what ever happen to them, even despicable, they had it coming. Somebody said : “What goes around, comes around”.

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 12:21 pm

      by your line of reasoning-women should also be blamed for “despicable” acts of rape due to their “attitude and behavior over the years” as free to express their sexuality through language, dress and behavior. Of course you think “israel is the one to blame”. When isn’t it here on MW? I’d really like to know when Israel has not been to blame?

      • The Hasbara Buster
        July 1, 2014, 1:04 pm

        @DaBakr

        Expressing sexuality through language, dress and behavior is freedom of expression and fully legal. Living in a settlement in occupied land is not legal.

        The correct analogy would be a woman who breaks into a man’s house to steal stuff and is caught and raped by him. Nothing can justify rape, but at the same time the woman is to a large extent responsible for her fate.

      • seafoid
        July 1, 2014, 1:24 pm

        Israeli bagels are great , DaBakr . And the women are so sexy in those torture uniforms.

      • Kris
        July 1, 2014, 2:49 pm

        @DaBakr: “I’d really like to know when Israel has not been to blame?”

        There has never been a time when Israel has not been to blame, since Israel has always been about theft, murder, racism, and vicious, casual cruelty. Not to mention cynical exploitation of the Holocaust, while many actual Holocaust survivors in Israel have had to choose between food and medicine. And not to mention cynical shows of piety, while debasing Judaism.

        Here is another photo you’ll enjoy, of a sobbing old woman whose home has just been trashed by the brave IDF, no doubt taking time for some recreation as they hunt for the missing Israelis on Sunday.

        link to imeu.org

  7. Citizen
    July 1, 2014, 11:22 am

    Nothing to see here; the US main media is ignoring it as usual; nobody influential cares.

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 12:25 pm

      yup. just as the US media pretty much ignored that one of its own citizens was murdered – nobody “influential cares”. I would bet a lot that any poll taken now of Americans asking, “What US teenager was recently murdered in another part of the world ?” most wouldn’t know the answer. things like that work both ways-unless you are blinded by ideology.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 12:52 pm

        “just as the US media pretty much ignored that one of its own citizens was murdered”

        You’re out of your mind. These 3 dead Jews were all over the news here. When Furkan Doğan was executed by one of you thugs, that was swept under the rug. Seems the news value of an American overseas has a blood componant.

      • ohiojoes
        July 1, 2014, 3:27 pm

        Furkan Doğan’s family say they are honored he died in “jihad.” Their words, Woody. So who are you to disagree?

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:27 am

        Furkan Doğan’s family say they are honored he died in “jihad.”

        Please provide a link. Google provides none.

      • amigo
        July 1, 2014, 3:38 pm

        “You’re out of your mind. These 3 dead Jews were all over the news here.” Woody.

        Yes indeed and also all over the Irish Media and never a word about the Palestinians who were murdered by Israel,s snipers ,a task usually taken up by cowards.

        I have filed a complaint with Ireland,s Broadcasting Authority regarding the total lack of balance in reporting events from the Occupied territories.We will see what effect that will have.I also sent a copy of that complaint to the persons heading up the main TV/Radio channels.No response from them yet.

      • Citizen
        July 1, 2014, 3:40 pm

        @ Woody
        Not to mention the alleged kidnapping of the three Jews has more US press media coverage than, e.g., the USS Liberty incident, and the Rachel Corrie incident, and the Dogan incident.

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 4:02 pm

        Yes but if you hear their ambassador and other officials being interviewed, you can see how devious they all are, he made sure to emphasize that one of the victims was “American”. If only they were that concerned for that other “American” Furkan Dorgan, when they brutally killed him.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:05 pm

        They brutally killed Rachel Corrie, too.

        Oh, and 34 sailors aboard the USS Liberty.
        link to ifamericansknew.org

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 7:16 pm

        I would say the US media made about as much hay about the Mavi Marmara and the death of the ‘dual’ turk/us activist as the fact that one of the Israeli boys was dual US/Isr. It was in the news but hardly “all over the place”. After all-its FIFA and the US has enough troubles with Obama trying to hold together his support for continued funding to this ‘unity’ Palestinian gov’t.
        It only became ‘big’ news when he boys bodies were found -which is SOP for the US media. Anytime a fight seems to be brewing they sniff out the story because it sells. duh.

      • Chu
        July 2, 2014, 9:59 am

        ‘These 3 dead Jews were all over the news here. When Furkan Doğan was executed by one of you thugs, that was swept under the rug. ‘ yeah, many pro-israeli outlets are now saying Obama has to act because a US citizen was killed. But he did nothing when Dogan was killed.

    • Daniel Rich
      July 1, 2014, 6:59 pm

      @ Citizen,

      Belgium won, the Cartra$$hians are whatever, Dancing with the Honey Badgers’ next season, Beeper Beaver Bieber’s almost a gay guy, Fast & Furious Food 8… Did I miss anything?

  8. Kay24
    July 1, 2014, 11:26 am

    This is the “kindness” shown by the true “animals” in this conflict. The Palestinians are entitled to respond in such a brutal and disgusting manner, when their kids are killed too. When I see these pictures, it makes me feel like picking up a stone and throwing it at these scumbags too. I can understand how Palestinians must feel.
    Their lands stolen, consistent harassment, their precious children killed as if they are of no value, and being under an occupation that is controlled by heartless thugs and killers, who go on a rampage at the slightest excuse, must be hard to bear.
    Imagine this an Israeli home, cruelly destroyed, especially during a religious observance, the howls of outrage would be deafening and the victim card quickly played for sympathy.

  9. Mondowise
    July 1, 2014, 11:29 am

    oh my God, i am (as all of humanity is) so literally sickened by zionism. someone please tell me….WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR ABBAS TO GET OFF HIS TRAITOROUS BUTT TO SEEK PROSECUTION OF IZRAEL’S PERVERTED CRIMES AT THE ICC???????

    • Walid
      July 1, 2014, 2:30 pm

      This issue was raised last night and today within the Fatah revolutionary council. He’s going to have to start giving answers.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 4:54 pm

        This issue was raised last night and today within the Fatah revolutionary council. He’s going to have to start giving answers.

        About bloody time. I hope they hold his feet to the fire or overthrow him if he folds again.

    • Kay24
      July 1, 2014, 3:51 pm

      I guess this gives us a hint of what they may be trying to do:

      “RAMALLAH, June 22 (Xinhua) — The Palestinian leadership has decided on Sunday to approach the United Nations Security Council in order to stop Israel’s measures against the Palestinian territories, which notably increased after three Israelis disappeared on June 12 near the West Bank.

      The leadership said in a press statement that it has made intensive contacts to hold a UN Security Council urgent session to discuss putting an end to what described as “Israel’s ongoing brutal offensive” against the Palestinians.

      “We will also approach international organizations to protect our people,” according to the statement.

      The Palestinian leadership is composed of members of the Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee and members of the Fatah party’s central committee.

      “The Israeli escalation in the West Bank, which left five people killed and 400 others arrested, means that the Israeli government is pushing the situation towards explosion,” the leadership warned.

      The security situation in the West Bank has seriously worsened after the Israeli government said three youngsters were kidnapped on June 12.

      However, Hamas denied any connection to the abduction of the Israelis, accusing Israel of fabricating the incident.

      Since the disappearance of the three teenagers, Israeli army has killed five Palestinians and arrested over 400 others.” Xinhuanet

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:38 pm

        The US said no and protected the belligerent Apartheid state– again.

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 7:27 pm

        even considering the Hamas admitting in the past to successful kidnappings of israelis why would Hamas admit to this kidnapping gone awry when it has so much to lose? But its not like it can deny it generally and specifically has supported the kidnapping if any IDF soldier and Hamas considers ALL Israelis to be IDF. A great position for deniability except-nobody except mondo-nuts and EI-fans are buying it. All of a sudden-they can’t abide serious and logical circumstantial evidence even though they swear by it when it comes to accusing Israel

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:12 pm

        even considering the Hamas admitting in the past to successful kidnappings of israelis why would Hamas admit to this kidnapping gone awry when it has so much to lose?

        IF Hamas had so much to lose, why kidnap the youths in the first place? Duh!

        But its not like it can deny it generally and specifically has supported the kidnapping if any IDF soldier and Hamas considers ALL Israelis to be IDF.

        Israel kidnaps Palestinians all the time and denies it.

        All of a sudden-they can’t abide serious and logical circumstantial evidence even though they swear by it when it comes to accusing Israel

        You hasbarats really are masters of stepping in every pile of dog crap you can find. Israel and Oren were happily denying serious and logical circumstantial evidence when the 2 Palestinian youths were shot, to the point where the Israeli government even claimed the footage from the surveillance cameras was fake.

        You even denied it when CNN had corresponding footage from another angle showing IDF soldiers shooting at the youths. Even after the IDF visited the shop owner and threatened to demolish his shop if he didn’t remove those cameras, you shills are still at it trying to ignore the evidence

  10. Citizen
    July 1, 2014, 11:35 am

    Disgusting. US taxpayers pay for it. I’m included.

    • Kay24
      July 1, 2014, 3:37 pm

      That is what disgusts me too. If the MSM did their job without bias, and the American people were given the TRUE picture of what is happening over there, and Israel’s endless crimes against humanity, there will be more disgusted Americans.

    • DaBakr
      July 2, 2014, 6:30 am

      so funny how your distaste for what military arms are about is so heightened when in the hands of Jews. Never hear much about US arms in hands of Europeans Jihadis, Syrian regime, Turkish killing Kurds. Mexicans, Koreans, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis. Sauds, AFricans. Oh oh oh…I forgot, that is simply ‘whataboutyallism’ in MW playbook. PENALTY!

      Much disgust on all sides to go around. ‘Disgustism’?

      • Citizen
        July 2, 2014, 9:22 am

        @ DaBakr
        As an American and a humanist, I have objected to the escapades of the whole military-industrial-security complex, and I have sent my governmental representatives my opinion over the years, regularly. I have objected continuously to every war my country has been involve in since I turned 21, at which time, I was already a honorably discharged US Army combat veteran.

        What makes you think I object to only US enablement of Israeli crimes?
        And, BTW, why do you equate Israel military conduct with all Jews? I don’t.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 7:40 pm

        Never hear much about US arms in hands of Europeans Jihadis, Syrian regime, Turkish killing Kurds. Mexicans, Koreans, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis. Sauds, AFricans.

        That’s a blatant lie. There is little doubt that the US has either been deliberately arming the jihadis or turning a blind eye to a process whereby the arms end up in their hands – even though they claim to be arming the “moderates”.

        With respect to Mexicans, Koreans, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis there is no debate, so that’s a straw man.

        The Syrian regime is not armed by the US.

        So yeah, it’s whataboutism and straw man combined.

  11. Qualtrough
    July 1, 2014, 12:24 pm

    How much longer is the US going to bankroll these Zionist storm troopers? Yes, I just went Godwin, but what else could you call them? This is Biblical revenge meted out by what many call a Western country and the only democracy in the Middle East. 2014??

    • Philip Munger
      July 2, 2014, 4:37 am

      The term Storm Trooper was first used in 1915, and was only later continued in use by the 3rd Reich’s military units.

      The concept of “Stormtroopers” first appeared in March 1915, when the Ministry of War directed the Eighth Army to form Sturmabteilung Calsow (“Calsow’s Assault Detachment” or SA Calsow). SA Calsow consisted of a headquarters, two pioneer companies and a 37mm gun (Sturmkanone) battery. The unit was to use heavy shields and body armor as protection in attacks.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  12. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 12:24 pm

    Meanwhile hundreds of Jews gather in Judaism’s holiest city chanting “death to Arabs”. Because everything said on the holy soil of Israel is holy. Even incitement to genocide.

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 12:30 pm

      righto. Israel: the dumbest practitioners of ‘genocide’ that ever ruled. all % of Palestinian culture is up. population growth. cultural awareness (check out the entrance to the UN). bds. education(thanks to evil Zionists). Standard of living. Standard of living when compared to surrounding nations. And so on etc. etc.

      (in fact-you citing any reference to Israelis promoting ‘genocide’ is about as legitimate as you think Israelis claiming Iran wants to wipe Israel and its Jews off the face of the earth and demonstrate this every time they scream “death to Israel” in the streets of Tehran)

      • Justpassingby
        July 1, 2014, 12:44 pm

        dabakr

        Wow you are really twisted. They are calling for genocide and here you are defending it. What the h-ck is wrong with you boy?!

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 4:09 pm

        Perhaps he was brainwashed and indoctrinated, when he went on his free trip to Israel. Some Jews are calling for these “birthright trips” to stop:
        “We are non-Israeli Jews who oppose the program because it promotes and supports Israel’s ongoing colonialism and apartheid policies, and marginalizes Jewish experiences in the diaspora. We are calling for the end of the Birthright program, and encourage individuals to boycott the trips.”

        link to electronicintifada.net

        It is all a part of their Master plan, to make these naive students become staunch supporters as adults (or juvenile mindset), of a pariah nation, even when it is wrong.

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 7:37 pm

        calm down. just like you have immense understanding for Palestinians venting their ‘rage’ at Jews, israel, Zionism, etc you should wait until the Israels are done venting. Nobody has gone on any killing sprees and 99% of the Palestinian population is living in calm. It isnt as if the Hamas affilioated splinter groups didn’t anticiapte this ‘rage’ would be coming. They had to know if the bodies were found there would be outrage. Palestinians threw molotovs and boulders at the AMBULANCE that carried the 3 boys out of the Hebron hills. Isn’t that rage? And bte- “boy” is an incredibly racist term unles you are fairly familiar with the subject referred to. I am no more your ‘boy’ then your attepmt at being jocular has failed. I should assume its a couched term for calling me something worse but I’ll let it slide and tell you-I may be old enough to whip your butt and have seen enough evil in one life to know the difference between twisted, compassionate and a state of asymmetrical warfare which is exactly what ios being waged on three distinct fronts against Israel. Call us paranoid if you must. It matters not. We [supposedly] paranoid Zionists know how to survive in this part of the world until such time as a reasonable treaty based on the realities of ’67/’73 and not before is ready to be broached. Oh? I’m crazy and sick, am I?.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:32 am

        I’m crazy and sick, am I?.

        Indeed you are, but that’s not your fault. Brainwashing is a difficult thing to shake.

        Nobody has gone on any killing sprees and 99% of the Palestinian population is living in calm.

        That’s a bit like saying 99% of the residents of Sderot were living in calm during Cast Lead because their houses weren’t hit by rockets.

        It isnt as if the Hamas affilioated splinter groups didn’t anticiapte this ‘rage’ would be coming.

        It isn’t as if the Israelis have provided on shred of evidence that any Hamas affiliated splinter group had anything to do with this. Indeed, if they had to know if the bodies were found there would be outrage, why did they do such a lousy job of hiding them? What were they even trying to achieve?

        The simple fact is that none of the BS story adds up.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:40 pm

        “What the h-ck is wrong with you boy?!”

        It’s simple. It is not in the interest of Zionists to portray themselves, or Jews ghenerally, as people who are fit to live in equality with other people. They seek to portray Jews as people who must rule over the people around them.
        Anything they can do convey the message that Jews can’t live with others is, to them, good for Zionism.
        And Jews, affluent Western Jews, if possible, who are compelled to go to Israel because of persecution in their native lands? That’s their wet dream. They look forward to owning the rest of us, if they can just turn the world against us.
        But when the time comes, we’ll have to pull their Zionist asses out of the fire they made for themselves, and probably pay to clean up the mess they made. And then try to forget we ever did anything so stupid as steal a country.

      • seafoid
        July 2, 2014, 3:24 am

        Great comment, Mooser. I think there is a technical explanation.
        Apparently the holiness is diluted if non Zionists are on the land. The important thing is for the Zionists to be in charge- that drives the morality, not what they actually do.

      • Woody Tanaka
        July 1, 2014, 12:50 pm

        “righto. Israel: the dumbest practitioners of ‘genocide’ that ever ruled”

        Yeah, let’s see you people laugh off someone chanting “Death to Jews” and then you can talk. Until then shut your yap.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 2:28 pm

        “Yeah, let’s see you people laugh off someone chanting “Death to Jews” and then you can talk. Until then shut your yap.”

        You must be kidding. It’s been my experience that Zionists enjoy nothing more than hearing someone chant “death to Jews”. For them, it’s money in the bank.
        Zionists are parasites, preying on the Jewish people.

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 7:59 pm

        We here it all the time from Iraq, Palestine, Iran, Egypt, Libya and Lebanon. We read it as well. Sometimes I actually do ‘”laugh off” the Iranians( who have very little contact with their 20,000 Jews) as they are simpky doing what is expected of them with no real conviction. Funny.

        You? thats another story. But as for shutting my “yap”-you’ll have to petition to have me banned to shut me up. As I said to another MW- if you really care about ‘changing minds'(and I don;t actually think you care about that any longer) I am the last type of Zionist you want to alienate. I am not an extremist. I do not think Israel infallible , I do not hate Arabs or Palestinians. I come from half arabic culture. I think a certain type of pro-Zionist commenters write crazy, racist, bigoted things about Arabs on pro-Israel blogs and they should be ashamed (but them so should some here in a ‘whataboutism’) I am a warrior. I hate killing . And I love children.[and dogs, of course ;)] And I am not much different then your average Palestinian. But I do have a very different pov about what is ‘just’ in both historical terms and practical reality. So you can only judge me by what I write and conclude whatever you like but shutting my yap is the worst thing that could happen to your beloved MW. Who would you have to spew your caustic vitriol at? Or -maybe you don;t believe you have to change Israeli/Zionist minds and a solution can be imposed on Israel? Maybe you really belive that most Zionist do not think and have reasoned opinions? It would be bigoted (just like if I were to claim Palestinians have no right to their cause and to seek a ‘just’ solution with both sides compromising) and it would be an extremely long term goal . Like-when the US and China [India, Russia{meh}too]are no longer world powers. But if the Palestinians want a nation sooner-which we don;t know how long they can wait. They are tenacious fighters, no doubt. My view is akin to the Hamas. No treaty. Just a long term hudnah with major pullbacks of IDF, opening harbor (they smuggle in arms anyway) airport and then we’ll see what happens in increments of 1, 2, 5, 10 years time. In assume Hamas does have enough authority to hold most factions in check along with the PA in WB.

        Meanwhile–ME is simmering in most places and burning in others while rome fiddles. The I/P conflict-contrary to many Arab pundits-is NOT the root cause of all the sectarian problems in the region and Israel will not choose to be weakened by these conflict-even if bigots choose to claim Israel benefits from them by devise. What country would not position itself to become stronger when surrounded by violent conflict? Its magical thinking to put forth that Israel orchestrated these myriad conflicts. If we wre that powerful why wouldnt we have imposed a solution?

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:14 am

        Sometimes I actually do ‘”laugh off” the Iranians( who have very little contact with their 20,000 Jews) as they are simpky doing what is expected of them with no real conviction. Funny.

        What’s funny is the egg on yout face over the fact that the 25,000 Jews in Iran refused to move to Israel even after offering them $50,000 per head to move to Israel. Even Israeli leaders had to admit that the Jews in Iran are too comfortable.

      • Walid
        July 2, 2014, 7:33 am

        There is a difference between “al-mote l’a Israeel”, which is “death to Israel” meaning the state or the regime and not “al-mote l’al-yahud” which is death to Jews. It’s a rallying and cheerleading cry that those chanting it don’t really take seriously. In Iran as in Lebanon’s Shia milieu, the call is “al-mote l’a Israeel”.

      • seafoid
        July 2, 2014, 3:26 am

        Palestinian teenager abducted and murdered in Jerusalem

        link to theguardian.com

        Death to Arabs chants don’t take place in a vacuum. Presumably Israel will hunt down and kill the Zionists who did this. I am expecting a home demolition as well to assuage the anger of the Israeli public over this senseless murder of a child.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 4:58 pm

        Israel: the dumbest practitioners of ‘genocide’ that ever ruled.

        No probably the smartest, seeing as it’s taking place under everyone’s nose but slow and gradual enough to go unnoticed.

      • DaBakr
        July 1, 2014, 8:04 pm

        Evidence of a Palestinian genocide please?

        In terms of loss of numbers. (numbers are way up)Irradicated culture (world has become much more aware of Palestinian culture. And”unnoticed”? Give it a rest. Israel has more ngo’s and journalists per square inch coverng every aspect of Palestinian life its absurd to claim anything is “unnoticed” Your hysterical. And wrong. Israelis never talk about wiping out ANY of their Arab cultures and are criticized mercilessly for embracing it as well. Have your cake and eat it? uh-huh

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:12 am

        Evidence of a Palestinian genocide please?

        The term Bosnian Genocide refers to either genocide at Srebrenica and Žepa committed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 or the ethnic cleansing campaign. Only 8,000 Bosnian Muslims were killed.
        link to en.wikipedia.org

        Israel 750,000 of them were ethnically cleansed and 500 villages destroyed in 1948 and has killed far more than 8,000 Palestinians.

        Israel has more ngo’s and journalists per square inch coverng every aspect of Palestinian life

        Which is why the Israeli government is outlawing them.

        Israelis never talk about wiping out ANY of their Arab cultures and are criticized mercilessly for embracing it as well.

        Of course they have, and worst of all, they actually did it.

      • Citizen
        July 2, 2014, 9:30 am

        @ DaBakr

        Israel does genocide the best it can considering, for PR purposes, it must still pretend to conform to the principles set down at Nuremberg and its Geneva progeny ( Israel’s diet for Palestinians & its attacks on Gaza civilians with white phosphorus, etc). Israel has continually shouted it wants to wipe out Iran. And the sole superpower, the USA, has strengthened that shout by saying ” All options are on the table.”

        There’s no dirth of Jewish Israelis shouting “Death to the Arab animals!”

        US continually provides Israel with the latest cutting edge weapons to attack the natives. US continually ignores that’s against it’s own principles.

  13. just
    July 1, 2014, 12:32 pm

    Perfectly and deliberately timed for Ramadan by Israel. Israel shows no respect to anything, any religion, any human but their own.

    A ruined Iftar for this family, and for the millions who are judged guilty merely because they are not Jewish/Israeli.

    I hope that the UN is paying attention. I’ve given up on the US selected officials and their collective tut- tutting.

    Where is the omnipresent and omnipotent “red line” with regard to Israel???

    • Kay24
      July 1, 2014, 12:58 pm

      Well, they have shown the world, time and time again, that ONLY their religion is sacred and important. Mosques and Churches have been attacked by settlers, racist graffiti spray painted, and didn’t one of the major terrorists, Baruch Goldstein massacred Muslims while they prayed at the Cave of Patriachs? They have no red line, they massacre, attack, burn, send precision bombs into civilians homes, at their evil will.
      Just imagine the outrage and drama, had a synagogue been attacked, or worshippers massacred inside one!

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 8:06 pm

      oh-there is always some religious holiday or another where those that are inclined can claim its out of disrespect. it cuts both ways too. Place the Muslim and Jewish religious fanatics in one of the so-called ‘bantutsans’ your always screaming about and let them either fight it out ir figure out they are looking in a mirror at their twin counterparts. A pox on them both

      • Citizen
        July 2, 2014, 8:39 am

        Well, not quite a pox on both. Why? Because the only superpower in the world funds and defends Israel’s criminal conduct, not Palestinian liberty. The IDF should be on the list of terrorist organizations America updates. In America criminal activity under color of law is faced with official condemnation and governmental suppression. It’s exactly the contrary in Israel, where everything aggressive and predatory Israel does is justified by “self-defense.” USA is still learning from Israel, but it’s not quite there yet. Minor bumps along the road, like Snowden, and the fact the USA actually has a Constitution and defined borders.

  14. elizabethbrown
    July 1, 2014, 2:04 pm

    I am not a supporter of the occupation in any way, however I did spend over a year in Israel and Palestine as part of a journalism project on Middle Eastern politics and as such I feel that I understand the other side a bit more now. I think that some background information is missing in this article. First of all, it is important to know some of the history of the Qawasmeh family. They are a clan of 10,000 that essentially have been the Hamas leaders in Hebron for decades, and have been responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and hundreds of deaths; not just in the occupied territories, but in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Beer Sheba as well. They repeatedly shake Israeli-Palestinian relations by attacking Israel during cease-fires. Even Hamas and PA party leaders have acknowledged that they are extreme and work independently and their actions are not supported (though not actually denouncing them). So when a situation arises where three boys are kidnapped and killed by a member of this notorious clan, it is understandable that Israel would take seemingly extreme efforts to catch this terrorist (yes, that includes ruining a house). The army did not just bust through the door as a sick game, it was with the purpose of finding a terrorist. Though the families of these boys were illegally settling in the territories, it is my belief that children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers. Children should not be treated with such brutality. There is no justification for the cruelty of these terrorists, and they need to be put away for life. This family of terrorists is responsible for hundreds of deaths of innocent people, so I find it a bit hard to find it in my heart to sympathize with them over their lost house. I understand that the occupation has been oppressive to thousands of innocent Palestinians, but again, not a justification for murdering children.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 1, 2014, 2:53 pm

      elizabeth brown, if you spent over a year in Israel and Palestine as part of a journalism project on Middle Eastern politics could you please link to some of your work? also, wrt your allegation this family has “been responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and hundreds of deaths”, where did you learn this and why do you think it’s not included on their wiki page? this sort of ‘information’ could be garnered from any group (like stand with us) affiliated w/supporting the goi. so why would one be more qualified to make this allegation by spending a year there? it just sounds like hasbara.

      The army did not just bust through the door as a sick game, it was with the purpose of finding a terrorist.

      hmm, where did you get this information? because, as the title to this article makes clear, this was a ‘retribution attack’. Israel’s high court sanctioned the return to punitive home demolitions. they didn’t go there looking for terrorists.

      people do not look for terrorists by destroying toilets

      it is my belief that children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers.

      is it also your belief that mothers and fathers should not be punished for the sins of their children? or do you make exceptions for palestinians? and since you’re such a pro analysis, alleging to have lived there for a year, how many people in this tribe of 10,000 do you think are culpable for ‘hundreds of deaths’? you sound like a propagandists. can you verify you are who you say you are, aka elizabeth brown, and why is your site registration email address under a different name? why not just post as joe blow? do you think your allegations hold more weight by claiming to be a journalism student specializing in the middle east, albeit anonymous? because anyone can make that claim anonymously.

      and what difference do you think it makes to us if you preface your remarks with “am not a supporter of the occupation”, when everything else that pours from your keypad sounds like it could be authored by a hasbara agent?

      i’m looking forward to reading your journalism, again, please link to your work.

      • elizabethbrown
        July 1, 2014, 3:33 pm

        While I appreciate your ad hominem attacks at my person and my right to comment on a situation or article (although last time I checked the 1st amendment gave me that freedom) I have no need or desire to prove myself to you. If information is only factual if it is listed on a wiki page, as you say, then here is some information that is up your alley. link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 4:35 pm

        If information is only factual if it is listed on a wiki page, as you say,

        except i said nothing of the sort. if anything wiki exaggerates palestinian crime instead of minimizing it. none the less, not even wiki backs up your allegation:

        responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and hundreds of deaths

        and this article: link to al-monitor.com which we covered here today (as well as yesterday): link to mondoweiss.net

        says nothing about “responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and hundreds of deaths

        a dozen is twelve. plural of dozen is at least double, meaning a minimum of 24. ‘hundreds’ implies at least 200.

        btw, as far as i know you have no 1st amendment rights to express yourself here. this is a moderated blog and we decide/allow what does and does not get published.

        you can make all the allegations you want, i’m just letting you know, as an anonymous person (which you are) making claims and prefacing your allegations (which you have thus far not supported at all) with throw away lines like ‘i don’t support the occupation’ and ‘i lived there so i know’ does not make a compelling argument .

        btw, i am challenging your argument. that’s not by definition an ad hominem attack. it’s your choice to post anonymously and it’s fair game for me to call that out when you’re basing your argument on alleged facts about your past history/experience, that’s not supported one iota in your allegations.

        and since you’re the one who initially called your ‘person’ into the equation by using your experience (solely) as grounds for your allegations, it’s fair game to challenge who you are.

        no different than if i claimed as an ex cia agent i was privy to top secrets documents and as as such confirm saddam was responsible for 9/11. it’s simply worthless information coming from an anonymous person with nothing whatsoever to back it up other than unconfirmed allegations about my own qualifications.

        and although you could be telling the truth, calling into question why anyone should believe you is not , by definition, as far as i know, an ad hominem attack which is “to the man” or ‘person’, not “to the mask”.

        I have no need or desire to prove myself to you.

        i could care less about your desires. wrt your need, if anyone is to believe a word you say then yeah, you kinda of do need back it up with something. extraordinary allegations require…more than your say so.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 1, 2014, 6:07 pm

        @ Annie Robbins,

        That’s why I <3 U.

        Give 'em hell when the heavens freeze over.

        :[]:

        D.

      • tree
        July 1, 2014, 7:16 pm

        Annie,

        Channeling my inner RoHa here, but the term is “I couldn’t care less”, not “I could care less”.

        Otherwise, a couple of great cogent responses from you to our new “journalist” who thinks you find “terrorists” by wrecking household appliances and furniture and pouring out all the containers of sugar, oil, and rice on the floor. Maybe the FBI should be clued into these great “investigative” techniques.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:41 pm

        hahahahaha.

        btw, you failed punctuation 101, eb.

        “journalist”, m.a.!

        Annie, I am so sad/angry/furious that it does me so much good to see you calling out a troll. Many thanks for all that you do.

      • RoHa
        July 1, 2014, 8:41 pm

        My outer RoHa prefers “I couldn’t care less”, but recognizes that, when uttered with the appropriate dismissive intonation, “I could care less” delivers the same message via sarcasm. However, in written form the intonation is lost, so the full form is better for writing.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 5:07 pm

        While I appreciate your ad hominem attacks at my person and my right to comment on a situation or article

        You have a right to comment, you don’t have a right to lie and not be held to account.

        I have no need or desire to prove myself to you.

        Sure you don’t, but then you don’t need to be taken seriously or given exceptional respect either. Clearly you are no journalist, but a pro Israeli hack.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:26 pm

        ” I have no need or desire to prove myself to you.”

        Gee, is that what’s called, “slinking away”? Sure looks like it.

        Now let’s get this straight. You do have a right to make the most ridiculous contentions you want. And Anne Robbins has a right, indeed, an obligation, to ask some very reasonable questions.

        But go ahead, “elizabethbrown” discredit yourself like this. This page will be around forever as a testimony to your intellectual depth and principles.

      • Djinn
        July 2, 2014, 12:03 am

        Last time I checked the First Amendment was utterly silent on the right to have your opinion on an article published on a privately run website.

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 3:44 pm

        Excellent response Annie. Good questions too. The mere fact that toilets were smashed in such a vicious ways shows these were acts of vandalism and cruelty, all part of collective punishment. The IDF must be dumb to think that “terrorists”were hiding under bathroom sinks. It is obvious hatred for all Palestinians that make them behave like uncivilized barbarians.

      • lysias
        July 1, 2014, 3:50 pm

        The IDF seems to have an excrement fixation, to judge by their behavior at Beirut Airport in 1982:

        The third-worst impression is left by the soldiers of the IDF. Even after all the agreements for the PLO’s evacuation from Beirut had been set, they still rolled their tanks up to positions from which they could shoot at evacuees. They spit on U.S. Marines. They smeared their own feces all over the Beirut Airport before they turned control of it over to the U.S. Marine detachment.

      • SQ Debris
        July 1, 2014, 8:39 pm

        John Pilger documented in one of his films (I think it was “Palestine is still the Issue”), a similar excrement spreading incident involving a xerox machine, during the 2nd Intifadah. Can you imagine someone who smashes people’s toilets, or craps on xerox machines, being able to see themselves in their own minds eye as civilized? Me thinks “civilized” is off the table for the IDF. They just take orders.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:05 am

        Can you imagine someone who smashes people’s toilets, or craps on xerox machines, being able to see themselves in their own minds eye as civilized?

        And they have the chutzpah to refer to the Palestinians as animals!!

      • Walid
        July 1, 2014, 4:14 pm

        Yes, the Israeli army seems to have this fixation with feces. After they ran away in 2006, when people returned to their homes in Lebanon’s south near the border, they found that what wasn’t stolen was broken everywhere. The worst of what Israel’s glorious boys did was the feces artwork they left all over people’s walls, on their beds and inside their refrigerators. When I say these people have a sick perverted mentality, it’s from the IDF’s actions.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 4:26 pm

        Hey annie,
        Expect a slew of newbie trolls tonight – mw is a target and the range of attack has widened after this:
        link to mondoweiss.net

      • Kay24
        July 1, 2014, 4:41 pm

        Yep definitely uncivilized barbarians, and full of BS.

      • seafoid
        July 1, 2014, 4:55 pm

        In 2003 they trashed the offices of HDIP in Ramallah and shat in the photocopier.

        But they were Jews so it was presumably holy shit.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:57 pm

        Heh.

        MW and annie can handle them…bring ’em on!

        Terror Troll Alert: Red(line).

      • a blah chick
        July 1, 2014, 6:55 pm

        During their rampage in the early oughts on the West Bank they also smeared feces on the walls of office buildings and I recall one account of feces in a fax machine. What is wrong with these people?

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:13 pm

        During their rampage in the early oughts on the West Bank they also smeared feces on the walls of office buildings and I recall one account of feces in a fax machine.

        They are also known for crapping on rooftops of Palestinian homes when they are stationed there.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 11:58 pm

        Speaking of israeli excrement, I met a Lebanese villager who told me that when his village was under occupation by the idf in the 1980’s, he was held prisoner in his house while the idf used his rooftop for snipping. He had four snipers on his roof and every time they wanted to use the toilet, they stuck their bare asses over the mouth of the chimney and dumped.

        I see it like this: the idf have turned their usual ‘shoot and cry’ to ‘sh*t and cry’ – their marvelous contribution to modern warfare: the anal fixation.

        BTW did you know that some lizards when cornered take a dump, roll it into little balls and start slinging? Kinda like the idf’s favorite military tactic.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:31 pm

        That “elizabethbrown” just folded like a cheap card table

        However, we may be overlooking a great vocal talent in her son or grandson.
        Google her.

      • eljay
        July 1, 2014, 10:16 pm

        >> That “elizabethbrown” just folded like a cheap card table

        Maybe she just got very busy selling potatoes.

      • Taxi
        July 2, 2014, 3:22 am

        That Elizabeth Brown just got seriously browned off.

        (Don’t you just love the fake name she/he chose: Elizabeth Brown – so disarmingly pleasant and so utterly innocuous).

      • Djinn
        July 2, 2014, 12:28 am

        Apparently the perpetrators of this act were also very very small and could fit into small jars of spices, drinking glasses and jars of oil and rice, which all had to be thoroughly smashed in hundreds of homes to root them out.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 2, 2014, 2:04 am

        thanks everybody ;)

        and i will remember it’s ‘i couldn’t care less’. somebody asked me on the phone last night where i learned to write. (lol) i told them the truth..i didn’t. or haven’t. i’ve learned from… being here and just expressing myself (with a lot of help from my editors phil and adam).

        taxi: – their marvelous contribution to modern warfare: the anal fixation.

        ;)

      • tree
        July 1, 2014, 3:49 pm

        Annie, I think she gives it away here:

        … as such I feel that I understand the other side a bit more now.

        She’s obviously not a reputable journalist because journalists are not supposed to have a “side”. I suspect she attended a hasbara campaign, not a legitimate “journalism project” as she claims.

        Elisabeth
        If the IDF was looking for the named suspects why did they wait two weeks to destroy the house “looking” for them? It never occurred to them to search there before? The IDF thought that after nearly two weeks of being named prime suspects that the two would logically return to the one place that would be most likely to be under intense surveillance? Were the IDF “looking” for them in the toilet, like the proverbial keys, because “the light was so much better” in the bathroom?

        Children should not be treated with such brutality. There is no justification for the cruelty of these terrorists, and they need to be put away for life.

        Have you said the same thing about the IDF soldiers who brutality killed 2 innocent young Palestinians and injured a third on Nakba day? Have you said the same thing about those who have killed Palestinian children during the IDF’s recent crack-down? Or about the thousands of Palestinian children killed by Israel over the years, or the Palestinian children as young as 12 forcibly abducted from their homes in the middle of the night by IDF soldiers? Anything to say about that brutality?

        If the suspected killers of the 3 Israelis are found and given a fair trial then of course they should be punished. But if you aren’t willing to see the same thing happen to those who murder (many more) Palestinian children (and adults) then you are part of the problem despite your professed belief that you are “not a supporter of the occupation in any way.”

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:01 pm

        “I am not a supporter of the occupation in any way, however I did spend over a year in Israel and Palestine as part of a journalism project on Middle Eastern politics and as such I feel that I understand the other side a bit more now.”

        Anyone who writes that is obviously not telling the truth wrt The Occupation. Which “other side” is she referring to?

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 5:10 pm

        … as such I feel that I understand the other side a bit more now.

        Allan Dershowitz makes the same claim.

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 4:21 pm

        “people do not look for terrorists by destroying toilets ”

        LOL that’s a classic!

      • Sycamores
        July 1, 2014, 10:36 pm

        Bravo! Annie,

        it’s blatant plagiarism from elizabethbrown

        compare the link that Kate provided a few days ago and what elizabethbrown wrote.

        Kate provided a link to al-monitor.com

        Al Monitor columnist Shlomi Eldar

        Enter the Qawasmeh clan. The total number of people belonging to the clan is estimated at about 10,000, making it one of the three largest clans in the Mount Hebron region. At least 15 members of the family were killed during the second intifada, nine of them while committing suicide attacks against Israel.

        elizabethbrown

        history of the Qawasmeh family. .They are a clan of 10,000 that essentially have been the Hamas leaders in Hebron for decades, and have been responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and hundreds of deaths

        Shlomi Eldar

        Though the clan is known for identifying with Hamas, it also has a well-earned reputation as troublemakers. Not only does it tend to ignore the movement’s leaders. It even acts counter to the policies being advocated by the movement. ……
        ……Each time Hamas had reached an understanding with Israel about a cease-fire or tahadiyeh (period of calm), at least one member of the family has been responsible for planning or initiating a suicide attack, and any understandings with Israel, achieved after considerable effort, were suddenly laid waste.

        elizabethbrown

        They repeatedly shake Israeli-Palestinian relations by attacking Israel during cease-fires. Even Hamas and PA party leaders have acknowledged that they are extreme and work independently and their actions are not supported

        either Shlomi Eldar pen name is elizabethbrown or elizabethbrown is one useless liar.

      • Cliff
        July 2, 2014, 5:18 am

        LOL

        Nice find.

        Pro-Israel trolls are such shameless liars.

    • just
      July 1, 2014, 3:12 pm

      Good grief! You want to show us some proof for the junk that you just wrote?

      “Journalism project”? Holy moley.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 3:58 pm

        Perhaps eb is a friendly snake oil rep. I can’t fathom who wrote this:

        King David Influenced Anointing Oil:

        “This sweet scented oil is influenced by King David and will surely bring energy and joy to a crazy schedule. Add an influence of biblical Israel to your life!”

        link to amazon.com

        Coming to your ‘friendly’ mall kiosk soon…

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 5:12 pm

        Coming to your ‘friendly’ mall kiosk soon…

        Classic Just!!

      • RoHa
        July 1, 2014, 9:08 pm

        Thanks to the kiosks, you don’t have to be Palestinian to get ripped off.

        link to 3news.co.nz

        But anti-Semites have struck!

        link to stuff.co.nz

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 9:59 pm

        Wow, Roha. That’s just a few days ago (02/07/2014)!

        Surely Dead Sea or whatever they call themselves now (here it’s “Inland Sea” or some such) have been doing this for as long as there have been mall kiosks. Is the BDS/general Israeli wrongdoing background starting to lower the tolerance threshold for these practices?

      • RoHa
        July 1, 2014, 10:26 pm

        I would like our malls to follow this NZ example. They are packed with these annoying Israeli spy centres. However, most of the big malls are Westfield, so I don’t expect it.

      • Penfold
        July 1, 2014, 10:29 pm

        To be fair we have been kicking dodgy Israeli’s out the door for at least the last 10 years…
        link to nzherald.co.nz

        and

        link to stuff.co.nz

        We are used to this nonsense.

      • RoHa
        July 1, 2014, 10:53 pm

        Not bad going, Penfold, for a country that only exists so that we can make fun of you. Puts you one up on Canada, which seems just as bad as its big neighbour.

      • ritzl
        July 2, 2014, 12:03 am

        @Penfold/RoHa- Oh heck. I confused New Zealand with Australia. My bad. ;)

        As RoHa says, I hope this lack of tolerance for Israeli bs heads that way.

        PS. All y’all talk funny anyway. Cheers.

      • RoHa
        July 2, 2014, 12:42 am

        It’s the Kiwis who talk funny, not us.
        But Robert Muldoon’s famous remark is unbeatable.
        link to en.m.wikipedia.org

      • Penfold
        July 2, 2014, 12:43 am

        I couldn’t agree more those Australians have very odd ascents.
        :)

        As far as intolerance of Israeli BS developing here goes it would if it was pushed, we have small but developing BDS organisations and the government generally votes in support of the Palestinian causes at the UN but were are tied to the US sphere of influence so it is unlikely we will lead the way.

        People wise New Zealanders and Aussies are generally great supporters of the underdog so I would hope that while the government may not rock the boat too much the people will do the right thing where ever possible as we did with supporting the anti-aparthied movement.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 2, 2014, 2:40 am

        here’s another roha, a follow up from the same news station, and it’s even worse! link to 3news.co.nz

        Wow, Roha. That’s just a few days ago (02/07/2014)!

        june 25, 2014.

        But Robert Muldoon’s famous remark is unbeatable.

        hysterical!, but i liked Grant Gillon too, from the same link:

        Sheep jokes

        There are a large number of (mainly crude) sheep jokes. As befitting the trans-Tasman rivalry, Australians tell said jokes about New Zealanders, and New Zealanders tell them about Australians. In the UK on the other hand sheep jokes are usually reserved for the Welsh, or within Scotland in reference to people from Aberdeen.

        Some sheep jokes also take differences in the accent into account. In one example, a farmer who is having unnatural relations with a sheep is asked if he should rather be shearing the sheep, to which he replies “I’m not shearing this sheep with anyone!” Here shearing is taken to be the pronunciation of the word sharing spoken with a New Zealand accent, as some New Zealand speakers pronounce sharing with the same pronunciation as shearing.

        Other sheep jokes (or “ewe-phemisms”) include puns on song titles which contain the word ewe. For example, a performing band may announce they are playing the song “There Will Never Be Another You”, and follow up by saying that it is particularly bad news for any Australians in the audience.

        While other people make jokes about New Zealanders and sheep, New Zealanders themselves are not averse to a bit of sheep humour. In mid-2000, Grant Gillon, then a New Zealand Member of Parliament, caused controversy when he asked the following question during a debate on genetic engineering:

        “I want to ask the minister whether, no pun intended, it’s appropriate in this case for a woman’s body parts to be inserted into a sheep when that has normally been the domain of Tory males?”[2]

      • Penfold
        July 2, 2014, 10:21 pm

        “here’s another roha, a follow up from the same news station, and it’s even worse! link to 3news.co.nz”

        I think the worst of it has passed now as the kiosks have been closed in all malls around the country…

        link to newstalkzb.co.nz

        Of course I expect they will be back operating under another name soon enough.

    • Cliff
      July 1, 2014, 3:15 pm

      ‘elizabeth brown’ is a journalist who somehow doesn’t know to add multiple paragraphs so that our eyes don’t BLEED

      pls provide some journalistic logic that this family deserved their home destroyed for something their relatives allegedly did

    • amigo
      July 1, 2014, 4:14 pm

      “This family of terrorists is responsible for hundreds of deaths of innocent people, so I find it a bit hard to find it in my heart to sympathize with them over their lost house.” EB

      Who needs your sympathy???.

      How about you respect International Law regarding the demolition of Homes as a punishment.It is a war crime and any student journalist worth a fiddlers fart would know that.

      “I am not a racist—“BUT”.

      You are a troll.

      • just
        July 1, 2014, 4:21 pm

        I dance a jig to your invocation of “a fiddlers fart”! Well said.

        Where is her PROOF? Yet she came here, made a blanket indictment of the “family of terrorists” and spread her filthy feces.

        a most wicked and cowardly troll. where is this “scholar of journalism”???

      • Taxi
        July 1, 2014, 4:56 pm

        I love it when hasbarados make their MW entrance all suave and self-important, only to slip on a banana skin and fall on their asses.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 5:18 pm

        lol taxi, i know. referencing 10,000 people as a “family of terrorists”?

        heck, no bigotry there! and she has a first amendment right to say it on MW too!

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:04 pm

        I love it when hasbarados make their MW entrance all suave and self-important, only to slip on a banana skin and fall on their asses.

        And disappear as quickly and are never seen or heard from again.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2014, 8:32 pm

        Google her.

    • Woody Tanaka
      July 1, 2014, 4:16 pm

      “They are a clan of 10,000 ”

      So there were 10,000 people in the car that abducted these three and their bodies were riddled with 10,000 bullets??? Otherwise then, no “the Qawasmeh family” is not responsible for these deaths, even if one or some of them might be. And if that is your contention, then put forth evidence other than “well, they’re terrorsts” that they actually did anything.

      “The army did not just bust through the door as a sick game, it was with the purpose of finding a terrorist.”

      And they destroyed the sink for what reason then??? Were they hiding in the sink??

      “Children should not be treated with such brutality.”

      But apparently destroying some child’s home is okay.

      “it is my belief that children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers.”

      Unless they’re non-Jews, in which case you seem okay with destroying their homes because of the supposed sins of their “clan.”

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:06 pm

        So there were 10,000 people in the car that abducted these three and their bodies were riddled with 10,000 bullets???

        Even more amazing is that the IDF happily allowed all 10,000 to roam around freely from the end of the 2nd intifada to three weeks after the abduction of the three youths. It appears they were too busy capturing, killing and torturing rock throwers to go after this clan.

      • Dutch
        July 1, 2014, 8:30 pm

        EB claims “it is my belief that children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers.”

        In that case I guess she’s addressing the wrong party. Since the year 2000, Israël:

        – killed 1,500 Palestinian children
        – wounded 6,000 Palestinian children
        – abducted 10,000+ Palestinian children

        Would she agree when we blow up a couple of houses for each of these crimes?

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 8:47 pm
        EB claims “it is my belief that children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers.”

        I think the point EB was trying to make is that this should only apply to Jewish Israelis.

    • amigo
      July 1, 2014, 4:40 pm

      EB,???

      You sure you are not Emily Bronte.

      She also dabbled in fiction.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 1, 2014, 5:22 pm

        or elizabeth o’bagy, remember her? the fake syrian pundit/expert with fake degrees, fronting as the pretty face (irish no less!)for the kagan war think tank who kerry was trumpeting in front of congress?

        funny tho, when she was outed as not being who she claimed to be i don’t recall her defending her arguments by whining about ad hominem attacks since had it not been for her alleged qualifications no one would have ever taken her seriously to begin with.

      • amigo
        July 1, 2014, 6:46 pm

        “or elizabeth o’bagy, remember her? the fake syrian pundit/expert with fake degrees, fronting as the pretty face (irish no less!)”Annie.

        Most Irish people support the Palestinian cause but even we have our Miss-fits.

        She is before my time at MW.Would a trip through the archives resurrect lizzie o,b.

    • Shingo
      July 1, 2014, 5:02 pm

      They repeatedly shake Israeli-Palestinian relations by attacking Israel during cease-fires.

      What a load of rubbish. Every ceasefire since 2005 has been broken by Israel. If the Qawasmeh family was as militant as as dangerous as you claimed, they would all be in Israeli jails and or killed by now.

      You’re just another garden variety Hasbarat.

    • Shingo
      July 1, 2014, 5:19 pm

      So when a situation arises where three boys are kidnapped and killed by a member of this notorious clan, it is understandable that Israel would take seemingly extreme efforts to catch this terrorist (yes, that includes ruining a house).

      This doesn’t even pass the smell test.

      You have IDF terrorising Palestinian children in the middle fo the night with night raids over allegations of throwing stones, yet this fraud expects us to believe that a family as dangerous as she claims has been free to go about their business all this time without so much as a knock on the door of their homes until three weeks after the disappearance of these youths?

      This is an epic hasbara fail. Hasbara central is still sending out unprepared newbies to MW.

    • DaBakr
      July 1, 2014, 8:23 pm

      *note* I see now that Ive read further I am not the first or only commenter to notice this eliz posted a possibly copied article about said clan. So-take my ‘exposure’ with a grain of salt. I didn;t think the folks here would be that clueless about this clan since your generally obsessed with everything Palestinian and q’wamseh is definitely hard-core palestinian)
      @eliz
      I didn’t even get through your post when i read your reference to the Q’wasmeh clan and I couldn’t believe it was here on MW. If the usual crowd here had any idea of what kind of power the old Palestinian clan have in the WB they would have checked most of their commentary about the kidnappings at the door.
      And now I read your post and sorry-you are definitely posing as a something other then a volunteer against occupation. Your post is straight out of some article or another. Even though I agree with the power of this clan-I’m not sure all the attacks you attribute to them and their connection to Hamas is as strong as you state. Yes-they are Hamas-but they supercede Hamas in many ways looking out for their own clans interest above all. They are kind of the ‘ultimate authority’ in their area. Respected -not always liked-by IDF as well.
      [and THIS-is where I insert that a few weeks back I criticized a jewsih girl for ‘apologizing’ for her Jewishness. I said the “families” will embrace you and treat you as a beloved guest but “you don’t go against family” in which many here thought I mean the ‘Jewish’ family but I was thinking about Qaw’msheh Clan. They are very old school. Older then modern Israel for certain. I don’t know Zionists who would deny their authority in their lands around Hebron. They may very well descend from the same time as the Jews
      This clan is huge and nothing goes on around hebron hills w/o their knowlege. They have thrown a wrench into Hamas plans for power brokering many times before,
      In fact-Hamas is almost unique in that its leaders-insteasd of dictating policy down the chain are often caught unaware by factions (such as Qaw;mseh clan) making decisions on their own and Hamas official aving to play ‘catch up’ to coordinate their own position in line with the clan.
      MW peoples should google Qawamseh Palestinian Family and see whats what. They -of course-are aligned with Hamas-but dont necessarily take orders from them-This is why there is so much confusion about Hamas ‘ordering’ the kidnapping’ versus ‘being responsible’. Hamas surely pre-approved ALL kidnapping s but this one went bad quickly and Hamas tried to get out of the loop. Also-the q’wmseh clan is notorious for NOT cooperating with PA or IDF as much and only they would have the power to hide the two suspects w/o word leaking out. So-you see-the IDF does a bit more then ‘speculate’ as MW fans here accuse it of. It most likely knew what was going on from the 2nd hour (which is the ONLY legitimate blame fro israel in my view-the idiot senior dispatch officer who dismissed the 14 yr olds call [with shots and moans] as a prank). Otherwise they were trying to se if they could stil save 1 or 2 of the boys. They thought-but didn’t know all 3 were dead. Sometimes you don’t need a weatherman to see which way….oh-isn;t that one of the favorite MW ‘quips’ from Dylan? Sure.

      • Djinn
        July 2, 2014, 12:40 am

        If this isn’t a family you have only become aware of via Eldar’s recent article is there any reason you’ve spelled their name five different ways in one relatively short comment?

        A family name I know well like the Windsors or Saxe-Coburg-Gothas are ones I tend to reel off without a bet each way spelling wise. The myriad of ways you have written it can’t even be explained it terms of different ways of translating from the the Arabic or typos.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 6:07 am

        If the usual crowd here had any idea of what kind of power the old Palestinian clan have in the WB they would have checked most of their commentary about the kidnappings at the door.

        If they had any power, Israel would have wiped them out or locked them up. Israel doesn’t tolerate anyone with influence on power in the occupied territories – nor does the PA.

    • ritzl
      July 1, 2014, 9:35 pm

      @elizabethbrown- How much time did you spend in Palestine over that year?

    • Djinn
      July 1, 2014, 9:55 pm

      Sorry but I’m calling bullshit.

      You use words and phrasing in your post that is almost identical to that used in Shlomi Eldar’s article from a few days ago. I’d bet you had never heard of this family before then.

      My spidey senses started tingling when you claimed you don’t believe that the sins of parents should be visited upon their children but then also state you have no sympathy over a lost home – do you realise that CHILDREN lived in that home? Do you realise that if you have evidence you could arrest, charge and convict people without blowing up the home of their extended family. Do you not realise that even IF Israel had ANY evidence that they are instituting collective punishment, ie a crime here?

  15. Mooser
    July 1, 2014, 2:33 pm

    “Well, they have shown the world, time and time again, that ONLY their religion is sacred and important.”

    Well, I suppose a person could argue that it’s their Zionist project which is sacred to them, and they are using the Jewish religion to further its aims. They pretty much hi-jacked it at one of its weakest times.
    It would be nice, wouldn’t it, to be able to condemn Zionism’s crimes and sins without it somehow becoming a critique of the Jewish religion. Oh well, it would be nice, and so would a lot of things.

  16. Chu
    July 1, 2014, 3:17 pm

    ‘At approximately 12:00 am, soldiers set up explosives in both homes, detonating them after the families were evacuated. Israeli intelligence has accused both men of allegedly kidnapping the settler teens.’

    -does Israel need some sort of court order [or is it military order] to permit an act such as this (collective punishment, trial by fire)? Palestinians are terrorized by settler encroachment, and the IDF, yet their power goes unchecked.
    They basically can act like the angry baboon and no one says anything. Especially the media. Where’s the liberal NY Times to criticize any of this? Where’s Fink? – he used to care about collective punishment, yet he says nothing so far about this.

  17. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 4:04 pm

    Bradley Burston

    “I had trouble sleeping last night. I saw the faces of three teens, their families wounded beyond measure. I saw loving kindness in them. And I saw people who openly blamed them, at their hour of unimaginable pain, for the murders of their own children. ”

    How do you say they are the people who benefit from a brutal military occupation of another people’s land and going to a yeshiva in the West Bank is not the same risk wise as going to a Princess Elsa birthday party ?

    The Guardian was caught up unwittingly in the Jewish fingernail vs dead Palestinians issue

    link to theguardian.com
    “A Palestinian was shot dead during an Israeli arrest raid in the West Bank. Palestinian officials identified the victim as Yousouf Zagha, 19. A second Palestinian, Mohammed Obeid, died in an Israeli airstrike in Gaza.

    • Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who spoke at the burial service, later said Israel would find those responsible for the teens’ murders.”

    Of course Netanyahu didn’t mean the Palestinian teens . How could he possibly be consistent ?

    And Ian Black as well
    link to theguardian.com
    “Nothing closes ranks in Israel like the deliberate killing of innocent civilians – and in this case minors.”

    Of course he forgot to say Jewish civilians.

    • just
      July 1, 2014, 4:10 pm

      Burston had a brief moment of clarity the other day– seems he’s back in his safe Occupation bubble again……..

      ugh.

      • seafoid
        July 1, 2014, 4:59 pm

        Burston doesn’t get how cruel the occupation has made Israel.
        And that house trashing was because there are over 750,000 Jews in the West Bank and they call the shots. It’s a form of Jewish despotism.
        It’s very sad about those 3 kids but the system is rotten. Judaism has lost its way. I wouldn’t take him up on his offer to try to fix Israel either. The damage goes way too deep . 47 years of making the wrong decisions.

  18. Shuki
    July 1, 2014, 4:28 pm

    As usual, no criticism of terrorism, just the response to it.

    • ritzl
      July 1, 2014, 10:35 pm

      Plenty of criticism here of the crime, AND the response to it. But at this point the response is far, far worse than the crime, without acknowledgement of that simple face, and it’s going to get worse when Israel starts killing innocent people in Gaza in the next week or so, with an equally obvious lack of acknowledgement of that future fact.

      Blather on…

    • Shingo
      July 2, 2014, 6:26 am

      As usual, no criticism of terrorism, just the response to it.

      We criticize terrorist violence by the IDF all the time.

  19. seafoid
    July 1, 2014, 4:53 pm

    Reading official Israeli communications is like listening to a family conversation. A very dysfunctional family.

    link to haaretz.com

    “We will operate with determination, with intelligence and with responsibility. The ultimate consideration in my eyes, and in the eyes of the defense minister and the chief of staff is ensuring the security of the citizens of Israel,”

    YESHA is desperately bad for the security of the citizens of Israel. Over $100bn for what? And since when has Israel been run with intelligence or a sense of responsibility ?

  20. radkelt
    July 1, 2014, 5:16 pm

    Do we know of any way to aid those whose houses have been destroyed?

    • DoubleStandard
      July 1, 2014, 8:49 pm

      Why would you want to provide aid to a mother who says she is proud that her son killed 3 people?

      Are you really that far-gone?

      • Djinn
        July 1, 2014, 10:03 pm

        How many Israeli are proud of the killing their kids did while in the IDF? How many monuments are erected to Israeli terrorists in Israel? How many streets are named after them?

        You wouldn’t recognise a double standard if it punched you in the face.

      • eljay
        July 1, 2014, 10:26 pm

        >> DoubleStandard:

        Why would you want to provide aid to a mother who says she is proud that her son killed 3 people?

        Are you really that far-gone?

        ^ That this post was written by a Zio-supremacist named “DoubleStandard” is just too rich.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 11:41 pm

        Why would you want to provide aid to a mother who says she is proud that her son killed 3 people?

        Naftali Bennet has boasted that he has killed many Arabs. The Israeli government has killed thousands.

        Do you oppse aid to Israel or are that far gone?

  21. joer
    July 1, 2014, 5:18 pm

    Kristallnacht. That’s what I see here. A murder in the context of soul crushing racism that unleashes an organized rampage on an entire undefended population.

    And not even any lip service from Washington to show restraint.

    One other thing: Gaza has often been called a large open air prison. I have called it that myself. But now it is apparent that the people of Gaza…and the West Bank…are not merely prisoners; they are hostages.

    • ritzl
      July 1, 2014, 8:11 pm

      @joer- “But now it is apparent that the people of Gaza…and the West Bank…are not merely prisoners; they are hostages.”

      Bingo. Huge and important distinction, and imho, an overt change in tactics. I pray that the near-saintly collective non-violent resilience of the Palestinians continues, but my gut keeps screaming something barely discernible as “It can’t.” or maybe better, the awe-struck question of “How can it?”

      Everyone loses if Palestinians “lose it.”

      If this ISIS threat is real (I believe it is) over even the short-term, if the Palestinians “lose it” and this next intifada is violent, that means that Israel will not have the means to aid Jordan. Again, the GoI can’t see past its nose in its effort to savage the region for its “villa in the jungle™” PR purposes. Problem is (heh! Just one?) they can’t see past punishing Hamas to see that if they don’t reconcile with the Palestinians, ALL the Palestinians, they are likely to have a virulent hot-war on their doorstep.

      It’s just nuts. A child could think this through, though it would have to be a child devoid of the collective Israeli blinding political bloodlust. Fat chance.

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 8:42 pm

        Walid has shed light on the significance and durability of the ISIS “movement,” so I’ll defer to his assessment of how at-risk Jordan is.

        But that’s my take for the moment…

      • Walid
        July 2, 2014, 12:25 am

        “If this ISIS threat is real (I believe it is) over even the short-term, if the Palestinians “lose it” and this next intifada is violent, that means that Israel will not have the means to aid Jordan.”

        ritzl, ISIS now simply IS for Islamic State because its sights have expanded to include all Muslim countries as well as Spain is taking down border crossings between Iraq and Syria because it’s against borders and it’s talking about the borders with Jordan and those of Kuwait having to come down next. Israel is counting on taking the fight to Jordan to fight the ultras there like Hizbullah did when it sent fighters to meet the ISIS, Nusra and other rebels into Syria at Lebanon’s border areas that said they’d enter Lebanon as soon as they’d finish off Syria and it succeeded in eliminating most of them from there.

        IS succeeds in taking over only those areas that have an environment that welcomes it and that environment exists in Jordan and Kuwait and it certainly exists in Saudi Arabia where it was inspired. Palestine, especially Gaza is ripe for IS.

      • RoHa
        July 2, 2014, 12:48 am

        ” Israel is counting on taking the fight to Jordan ”

        And I bet a lot of Jordanians are wondering how they would get the Israelis to go away afterwards.

      • Djinn
        July 2, 2014, 1:05 am

        Palestine, especially Gaza is ripe for IS.

        How so? After 65 years of brutal occupation the only “Islamist” (quotes just because I hate that term and don’t think it’s particularly accurate) party that’s had much popular support is Hamas who are considerably more fluffy than ISIL/ISIS. Curious as to why you believe there much of a pool of support for the violent establishment of an Islamic Caliphate from within the Palestinian community? Admittedly haven’t personally been to the WB in nearly 2 years and Gaza in 3 but I just don’t see this.

      • Walid
        July 3, 2014, 2:09 am

        Djinn, I didn’t mean that all 1.5 million Gazans were about to start waving black flags but that their despair makes it natural to start seeing IS cells being set up there. When you look at where IS has been successful, they are all in Sunni areas and in despair and in a less worse-off situation than the people of Gaza. You can’t have more fluffy than Lebanon but last night, a new IS cell announced that its vocation is to destroy the country’s 300 churches. In Jordan, there are now IS cells that have openly demonstrated at Zarqa and Ma’an twice in the last week. For now, Jordan has 1000 American troops that would react to an IS border attack. In Kuwait former MPs are openly supporting IS, one of which has half a million Twitter followers. Thanks to Israel’s oppression, Gaza is very fertile territory for IS, which must be making Israel and Egypt very nervous.

  22. Daniel Rich
    July 1, 2014, 5:19 pm

    Ho do you ‘uncreate’ a country?

    “Paging Dr. Frankenstein. Dr. Frankenstein, a monster’s on the loose…”

    Yeah, that ‘unity government’ just came in time to… uhhhhh… errrrmmmm…

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  23. Kris
    July 1, 2014, 6:24 pm

    Okay, I feel much better about all this now. I just heard Israeli ambassador Ron Dermer on NPR’s “All Things Considered.” Dermer says that destroying Palestinian houses is definitely not “collective punishment,” it’s just a useful tactic to prevent “terrorism.” Also, he says that the Palestinians name public squares and roads in memory of terrorists, unlike Israelis. (Though I do remember reading that many terrorists are honored in Israel, with streets and buildings named after them, and I just saw pictures on the internet of the Baruch Goldstein memorial.))

    Dermer said also that Palestinians deliberately kill Israeli children, while Israel, to its credit, kills Palestinian children only by accident. (Does Dermer not have internet access?!!) And, Dermer said, the French Resistance, during the Nazi occupation, didn’t kill Nazi children. (I forget, did the Nazis bring their families into Occupied France and use them as human shields, like the Israelis?)

    • Kay24
      July 1, 2014, 6:46 pm

      I made a similar comment somewhere earlier. He is a disgusting liar. I heard him lie with that “woe is us” look on his face, and could not believe a man of his stature would lie so blatantly. I guess his lying PM sets the tone in that administration, and world leaders call HIM a liar too.

      • Shingo
        July 1, 2014, 7:04 pm

        He is a disgusting liar.

        Just like his predecessor and the one before him

    • amigo
      July 2, 2014, 5:47 am

      “Okay, I feel much better about all this now. I just heard Israeli ambassador Ron Dermer on NPR’s “All Things Considered.” Dermer says that destroying Palestinian houses is definitely not “collective punishment,” it’s just a useful tactic to prevent “terrorism.” ” Kris

      I wonder if Dermer will be quite so enthusiastic about destroying the house/s of the illegal settler terrorists who killed a Palestinian overnight.

      Will he call for thousands of IDF soldiers to break down Jewish doors and break toilets and throw food on the floors looking for , as Nietanyahu put it, “Human Animals”.

      Will he be okay if 5 squatters are killed in the process and two Jewish women die because they were not allowed to get badly needed medical attention.Dermer is an ass at best.He is a co conspirator in war crimes and crimes against humanity.

      link to haaretz.com

  24. DoubleStandard
    July 1, 2014, 6:28 pm

    You guys talk a lot about “collective punishment,” “international law” and “the Geneva Convention,” etc.

    The point of international law and the ban of “collective punishment” is to prevent an army from indiscriminately punishing a civilian population during a time of declared war.

    The 4th G.C. was ratified in 1949, and the political landscape of 2014 is simply not the same anymore. In 1949, professional armies fought declared wars between recognized countries. Civilians were not intentionally involved in hostilities. Wars certainly affected civilians, but civilians did not participate as bona fide combatants.

    But Israel’s situation is different — it is defending itself against a civilian population governed by a terrorist group. The very nature of fighting these terrorist groups requires punishing a civilian population.

    Israel has no non-civilian army to fight against; the goal of Hamas is to turn ordinary citizens into military targets and urge civilians to commit pointless acts of violence against Israel. Hamas and the PA then turn around and say, “you can’t fight back — we’re civilians.”

    The point of the G.C. isn’t to permit civilians to carry out acts of violence, then hide behind the shield of “international law.”

    The Palestinian people support terrorism and militantism against Israel, but then expect to be treated as if they are benign civilians.

    • eljay
      July 1, 2014, 10:31 pm

      >> DS: The Palestinian people support terrorism and militantism against Israel, but then expect to be treated as if they are benign civilians.

      And Israelis support terrorism, militarism, land theft, occupation, colonization, oppression, torture and murder against Palestinians, but then expect to be treated as if they are benign civilians.

      A Zio-supremacist named DoubleStandard supports a double standard that favours Israelis. Imagine that.

      • ritzl
        July 1, 2014, 10:37 pm

        +1 (I think you’re up to about 133 by now…)

    • Djinn
      July 2, 2014, 1:59 am

      If you know who the perpetrators of a crime are, here’s a radical idea, arrest them, try them and provide evidence that leads to their conviction.

      Israel doesn’t even need to do that, it can just arrest whoever, whenever and detain them without charge for however long they choose. The rest of the world doesn’t bat an eyelid when they do that.

      Why do they ALSO have to destroy the homes of extended family members?

      I’m not sure where you live but I’m going to go ahead an assume it’s the USA. Let’s say Boston. If you and a bunch of friends start robbing banks, the US Army and/or the Boston cops will have no regular army to fight against. Should they be able to storm into your elderly mothers’home in the middle of the night, destroy everything in sight and drag your elderly father off to detention? Should they be able to blow up your cousins home?

    • Shingo
      July 2, 2014, 6:26 am

      You guys talk a lot about “collective punishment,” “international law” and “the Geneva Convention,” etc.

      The point of international law and the ban of “collective punishment” is to prevent an army from indiscriminately punishing a civilian population during a time of declared war.

      Which is precisely what Israel is doing. Mind you, Israel is doing it even withuot a war.

      The 4th G.C. was ratified in 1949, and the political landscape of 2014 is simply not the same anymore.

      Yes it is, which is why Tzipi Livni tried to argue that the laws of war need to be changed.

      In 1949, professional armies fought declared wars between recognized countries. Civilians were not intentionally involved in hostilities.

      Rubbish. Civilians were considered fair game

      Israel’s situation is only different insofar as it continues to steal land, continues to violate the Geneva Conventions and then claims it has to defend the settlers living in illegal settlements with contravene the Geneva Conventions.

      Israel is no defending itself because the occupied territories are not part of ISrael. ISrael is defending stolen booty.

      As for populations civilian populations governed by a terrorist group, Israel was not only founded on terrorism, but elected 2 terrorist leaders to the office of prime minister.

      The very nature of fighting these terrorist groups requires punishing a civilian population.

      If Palestinians were doing that to Israel, you’d be changing your tune.

      the goal of Hamas is to turn ordinary citizens into military targets and urge civilians to commit pointless acts of violence against Israel.

      The same could be said of the IDF. Given that military service is mandatory in Israel, one could well argue that all adults are military targets, and that by returning to their homes, they are turning their families into human shields.

      Israelis turn around and say, “you can’t fight back — we’re civilians.”

      The point of the G.C. isn’t to permit civilians who then carry out military service, to carry out acts of violence, then hide behind the shield of “international law.”

      The ISraeli people support terrorism and militantism against Palesitnians, but then expect to be treated as if they are benign civilians.

    • seafoid
      July 2, 2014, 7:04 am

      “The 4th G.C. was ratified in 1949, and the political landscape of 2014 is simply not the same anymore.”

      Standard hasbara

      link to newseum.org
      “Terrorism has altered the landscape in many areas, including the rules of war and engagement, law, investigative and interrogation techniques, and the detention of enemy combatants. Journalism is no exception”

      The next time an Eichmann adopts that logic, please be consistent.

    • amigo
      July 2, 2014, 9:19 am

      “The point of the G.C. isn’t to permit civilians to carry out acts of violence, then hide behind the shield of “international law.”DS

      Speaking of benign civilians!!!.

      Stern/hagganah,lehi and other such civilian (without uniforms) terror gangs carrying out bombings and acts of violence against Arab Civilians.

      Do you require the links or would I be wasting my time providing you with evidence of your hypocrisy and double standards.

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 7:43 pm

        Stern/hagganah,lehi and other such civilian (without uniforms) terror gangs carrying out bombings and acts of violence against Arab Civilians.

        The Stern/Hagganah, Lehi of course then re branded itself the IDF, but continued with the terror to this day.

    • talknic
      July 2, 2014, 11:07 am

      @ DoubleStandard

      Amongst other things, GC IV is for the protection of ALL civilians including the citizens of the Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory. It is also to prevent rogue Governments from stealing the territory, property and resources of those they occupy for which they are sure to attract much deserved resentment and hatred.

      Only a really really stupid and vile government would purposefully encourage and purposefully assist its citizens to illegally settle in Occupied Territories where they might very likely become collateral or unfortunately be directly attacked by the frustrated victims of an Occupying Power’s illegal expansionist policies.

      The Palestinians want only their LEGAL rights. Israel’s demands actually have no legal basis what so ever.

      Your bitching and pathetic whining should be aimed at those responsible, the Zionist Movement’s so called Jewish state, which alas shows no allegiance the basic tenets of Judaism. Instead it covets other folks property, steals, lies, murders and sacrifices its civilians to get it to get it.

    • Donald
      July 2, 2014, 11:22 am

      “The very nature of fighting these terrorist groups requires punishing a civilian population.”

      And there you have it–“DoubleStandard” demonstrating the unconscious wisdom in his (or her) choice of name. This is exactly the reasoning that terrorists use.

    • Woody Tanaka
      July 2, 2014, 11:33 am

      “In 1949, professional armies fought declared wars between recognized countries. Civilians were not intentionally involved in hostilities. ”

      You’re an ignorant fool for many reasons, but not the least of which is your historical ignorance. In the Second World War, both sides specifically targeted the civilians of the other side. The Allied bombings of German civilians were self-declared terror bombings and Curtis LeMay admitted that if the US lost the war, he would be rightfully indicted as a war criminal over the attacks on Japanese cities.

      Israel has been pushing this idea for a long time so that they can indiscriminately kill Palestinians and get away with it. Go peddle that evil somewhere else.

  25. Basilio
    July 1, 2014, 7:54 pm

    Many Israelis and their supporters talk about how the Palestinians are barbaric and who kidnaps teenagers. They are very blind to how their army behaves in the West Bank. How many innocent Palestinians has Israel killed over the years when there weren’t and when there were cameras? The two men they’re looking for may or may not be guilty, but how is that whole family guilty and that little girl and the father who has cancer and asthma. Imagine if that was your father who had cancer? Israelis just don’t care and pretend their country is moral. You cannot reason with many of the Israelis when it comes to that. They just repeat that they have a democracy, Arab-Israelis are equal, the Arabs are violent and want the Jews dead, never mind that so many Arabs have been killed by Israel.

  26. unverified__5ilf90kd
    July 1, 2014, 8:07 pm

    Israel’s thirst for vengeance is not civilized or sophisticated – the wickedness of the IDF is proof that they are a poorly trained rabble who have little discipline or judgement.

  27. Shingo
    July 2, 2014, 1:00 am

    If you want to know who is right and who is wrong, just look at the way Jews live in Israel and the way Arabs live in their 22 countries.

    Jews in Iran prefer Iranso much more that they have rejected massive cash incentives to move there.

    There’s an open invitation for Jews to return to Iraq and Egypt. Jews in Morocco always felt more at home there than in Israel and those that left Tunis at its independence took up France’s offer of a French citizenship while the other half opted for Israel.

    The fact that most of the world’sJews refuse up live in the so called “Jewish State” or that skilled and educated Jews ate leaving Israel proves what a failure the place is.

    • DoubleStandard
      July 2, 2014, 2:07 am

      That doesn’t make one ounce of sense, but I guess that characterization applies to 90-95 percent of the comments here.

      Open invitation to return? What planet are you living on? The Jewish communities were expelled after Israel was created.

      And 42% of the world’s Jews live in the Jewish state. That’s pretty damn impressive given that 65 years ago 100% of us lived in the diaspora.

      • talknic
        July 2, 2014, 12:01 pm

        @ DoubleStandard

        “Open invitation to return? What planet are you living on?”

        Earth… where are you living? Under a rock?

        link to google.com

        and

        November 26, 1975
        Iraqi Jews who left Iraq since 1948 are hereby entitled to return home.
        All Iraqi Jews returning to Iraq under this resolution shall enjoy all lawful rights of Iraqi citizens under law.
        The Iraqi Government shall guarantee to the returning Jews full constitutional rights enjoyed by Iraqi citizens. This will include equality and secure living without any discrimination.
        This resolution shall by published in the official Gazette and shall be enforced by the Ministers concerned.”

        The Government of the Republic of Iraq
        Embassy of Iraq
        1801 P Street, N.W.
        Washington, D.C. 20036

        “.. Jewish communities were expelled after Israel was created”

        It is NORMAL for countries at war to expel or inter and freeze the assets of possible allies of their enemies. It is also normal to release or allow their return after hostilities are over unless of course they have taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return thereby forgoing refugee status.

        “And 42% of the world’s Jews live in the Jewish state. That’s pretty damn impressive given that 65 years ago 100% of us lived in the diaspora”

        Bullsh*t is impressive? Read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel… “REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL ” Did they make a mistake?

        BTW, have you ever looked at the figures for Arabs in Israel in 1948-50

        By 1950 the population of Israel was 1,370,000

        There were at least 156,000 non-Jewish Arabs in Israel and some 500,000 Arab Jews who were at that time refugees from the Arab states

        That’s 656,000 Arabs of a population of about 1,370,000

        Which is about 47% not including the indigenous Arab Jews!

        The closer you look the more denialist bullsh*t you find

      • Shingo
        July 2, 2014, 7:30 pm

        The Jewish communities were expelled after Israel was created.

        Rubbish. With the exception of Egypt – AFTER the Lavon affair – there was no expulsion.

        And 42% of the world’s Jews live in the Jewish state.

        Which means more refuse to live there, and pretty damn depressing from a Zionist standpoint. It just goes to show what a failure it was.

    • piotr
      July 2, 2014, 8:21 am

      Shingo, I wanted to comment on that, but I do not know from where you got the quoted text Can you explain that?

  28. Shingo
    July 2, 2014, 1:09 am

    Here’s a real piece of journalism — you guys probably don’t read stuff that isn’t drawn from conspiracy or hate websites

    Stephens is a well known Israeli propagandists hack who knows about journalism as you know about neurosurgery. He’s a delusional chickenhawk who thinks Netenyahu us to much of a peacenik

  29. Shingo
    July 2, 2014, 1:21 am

    Here’s a real piece of journalism — you guys probably don’t read stuff that isn’t drawn from conspiracy or hate websites, but it really is a fantastic editorial

    The pathetic oped goes to show yet again that Israeli propagandist have a self-awareness and irony bypass. Stephens questions the legitimacy of a society that condones kidnapping while being an apologist for a state that practices kidnapping on a massive scale as a matter of policy.

    Even though the to Israeli High Court of Justice finally ruled that the law didn’t permit the use of administrative detention to hold prisoners for use as bargaining chips, the Knesset took the hint and adopted a version of the “Unlawful Combatants Law” that does permit the practice.

    Stephens is either a liar or an ugnoramus. You’re clearly the latter.

  30. wes
    July 2, 2014, 2:43 am

    One way to calm the situation down would be to remove sites that incite both sides to commit violence.the media has lost all objectivity and taking sides will see them open to attack

  31. Feng
    July 2, 2014, 7:37 am

    Where are the Photographs???

  32. piotr
    July 2, 2014, 8:23 am

    JERUSALEM — A body was found in a Jerusalem forest early Wednesday, about an hour after local Palestinians said an Arab teenager had been forced into a car in an East Jerusalem neighborhood, in what may have been an Israeli revenge attack after the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank.

    Micky Rosenfeld, a police spokesman, said the police had received a report early Wednesday of a teenager being forced into a vehicle in the Palestinian neighborhood of Beit Hanina and immediately put up roadblocks to try to locate the vehicle. The body was discovered shortly afterwards in a forest near the entrance to Jerusalem. Mr. Rosenfeld said the police were investigating both criminal and nationalistic motives for the killing.

    Palestinian leaders held Israel responsible, while Israeli leaders called for restraint until the facts became clearer in an effort to calm the charged atmosphere. link to nyti.ms

    • just
      July 2, 2014, 8:33 am

      Meanwhile, this “youth” is playing pranks…..

      “Israeli youth claims she was ‘kidnapped’ in Beit Jala

      JERUSALEM (Ma’an) — Israeli police investigations revealed Tuesday that a youth, 21, who claimed she was kidnapped by Palestinians in Beit Jala, was in fact in a vehicle with “people she already knows”.
      ..
      The youth said she finished her work and met a Jewish friend and went to a passenger station while speaking on the phone with her friend, who later called the police when a white vehicle stopped and “forced her inside”.

      The Israeli police and forces were still searching the area for the two suspects, while the girl and her mother were sent to Gush Etzion’s police center to testify and report more details.

      It was later determined by the police that she was not kidnapped and that she knew the two Palestinians and went inside their vehicle on her own.”

      link to maannews.net

      (a 21 y.o. is neither a youth nor a girl, imho.)

      • piotr
        July 2, 2014, 8:39 am

        In twenty years you may change the opinion.

        In some countries, “youth wings” of political parties are for folks under 40.

    • amigo
      July 2, 2014, 9:01 am

      “Palestinian leaders held Israel responsible, while Israeli leaders called for restraint until the facts became clearer in an effort to calm the charged atmosphere. link to nyti.ms”

      Yup, we must see the evidence first before we get all hot and heavy and send in 2000 idfer,s to break down doors and trash Jewish Homes.

      Unlike when it is Palestinians —no evidence needed.Just the word of a zionist.

      If there is a charged atmosphere , then Israel is the current behind it.

      Hypocrisy Central at it again.

      • jenin
        July 2, 2014, 10:41 am

        isn’t it unbelievable? I was reading that article and simply couldn’t believe these Israeli officials had the audacity to say something so obviously hypocritical. They just can’t sink low enough, apparently.

  33. Feng
    July 2, 2014, 10:44 am

    THERE ARE NO LONGER PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE KIDNAPPING SUSPECTS FAMILY HOMES ON THE SITE OF MONDOWEISS, EITHER IS THERE THE ARTICLE OF KELLY LYNN ANYMORE.

    PLEASE REPAIR THIS EVIDENCE

  34. Feng
    July 2, 2014, 10:46 am

    (FENG’s NO PHOTO’S ANY LONGER #2)
    This is happening in The Netherlands.

  35. Citizen
    July 2, 2014, 11:48 am

    What happened to the photos here?

  36. Citizen
    July 2, 2014, 12:12 pm

    Here are the photos appearing here earlier today (and more) again: link to google.com

  37. iResistDe4iAm
    July 3, 2014, 11:17 am

    Looks like a mafia hit job.
    Homes blown up, furnishings trashed.
    Parents & siblings of the ‘wanted’ men taken hostage as bargaining chips.
    No doubt 2 corpses will show up sooner or later.

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