What would you do?

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Responding to a friend’s Facebook post a few days back I ran into a familiar refrain from apologists for Israeli bombing campaigns. A fellow wishing to challenge a woman who posted a Guardian article critical of recent Israeli attacks asked, “Would you expect the US government to ignore daily missiles on Boston?” This question or one very like it is familiar to anyone organizing for Palestinian liberation. Several fine responses have been made that locate the impetus for Palestinian rockets in Israeli repression of Palestinians in Gaza. For example in response to Israel’s ground invasion and bombing spree during the 2008-2009 Operation Cast Lead, The Daily Show With Jon Stewart on 5 January 2009 offered a biting reply to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s take on the above question:

Michael Bloomberg: Let me just phrase it for you, something that’ll bring it home. If you’re in your apartment and an emotionally disturbed person is banging on the door screaming, “I am going to come through this door and kill you,” do you want us to respond with one police officer, which is proportional, or with all the resources at our command?

Jon Stewart: I guess it depends if I forced that guy to live in my hallway and make him go through checkpoints every time he has to take a shit.

Another recent example is activist Daniel Sieradski’s correction of an ADL justification for Israel’s most recent bombardment of Gaza. Sieradski asks, “What if your neighborhood was a giant prison?” He then lists decades of repressive Israeli actions before concluding, “That’s why Palestinians are fighting back.”

(Image: Daniel Sieradski)

(Image: Daniel Sieradski)

Both of these interventions posit Israeli repression as the instigating violence. So many progressives and mainstream critics ask whether Israel’s response to Palestinian rockets is proportionate, thus locating the initial violence as coming from Palestinians and validating Israel’s attacks in principle while only questioning their breadth. A minority of these, such as Noura Erakat on Democracy Now! on 11 July, insightfully contextualize the disproportionality in long-term Israeli violence.*

Another framework offers a corrective to both the crude propaganda query and the far more pervasive colonial geography. A perfectly fine response to, “Would you expect the US government to ignore daily missiles on Boston?” is, “Well, it depends on who is firing the missiles.” Are the rockets aggression or resistance to aggression? Is it the indigenous Moswetuset/Massachusett population that has been genocided, forcibly removed and marginalized from their lands (not as in their private property, but as in the physical, cultural and political geography in which virtually all populations base their cosmos) over the last few centuries? From an ethical perspective that demands a very different response than if another economic power like Germany, China or the U.K. were firing missiles for reasons of economic gain through imperialist war. Meaning, whatever concerns we might have with the specific articulation of resistance that rockets are, those resisting have unambiguously and incontrovertibly righteous claims. To focus on the rockets and not their reason is to obscure any long-term solution to rocket fire and, more importantly, the injustice that create rocket fire. (I’m using hypothetical instance of indigenous resistance to American settler colonialism to answer a frequent propaganda hypothetical. Actual native resistance to U.S. settler colonialism today is dynamic and diverse tactically, ideologically and geographically.)

So who is firing the rockets? Some two-thirds of the Gaza Strip’s population are refugees expelled from their homes mostly from 1947-49 but also from the Naqab throughout the 1950s with another sizable group arriving in 1967 during the Naksa. This is frequently lost when discussing “Free Gaza” or when describing all people living in the Gaza Strip as “Gazans” as these frameworks as they are commonly deployed erase that so many are ‘Gazan from Ramla’ or ‘Gazan from Jaffa’. Alternately put, much international discourse fixes a Gazan indigeneity onto Palestinian refugees no matter their origin and ignores the right of return – central amongst Palestinian demands though frequently decentered in mainstream and progressive discourse. This cooperates with colonial geographic terms like “Israel proper” and with liberal internationalist interpretations of the right of return as resettling Palestinians refugees now in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and elsewhere in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Demanding an end to the siege on Gaza without specifically contextualizing that demand in the right of return restricts Palestinian liberation to the 1967 borders. For Free Gaza to enact Free Gazans, it cannot be separated from Free Palestine. This is never so obvious as now when Israel continues building settlements while the world focuses – understandably – on the one part of Palestine where it is not constructing settlements.

The rockets are directed towards the very lands from which Palestinian refugees in Gaza are dispossessed and to which they demand return. There is debate – amongst Palestinians first and foremost – about the ethics and efficacy of all forms of resistance including rockets, armed resistance directed (intentionally and unintentionally) at Israeli noncombatants, street protests, diplomatic lobbying and more. Different folks can come to different conclusions about any of these for political, ethical and tactical reasons. But what potentially frames a path forward and is not seriously debatable is that Palestinians were forcibly removed to Gaza and refugee camps elsewhere.

Alternately put, the Gaza Strip is the geographic construction of an ethnic cleansing campaign. The massive influx of Palestinian refugees transformed the area from a grouping of small, coastal fishing villages and agricultural towns to a densely populated urban enclave. Palestinian resistance from Gaza is for sure related to the current siege, the constant drones flights overhead, the ID card regime put in place after 1967, particular events such as the murders of specific Palestinians and more. Fundamentally though, it stems from the 1947-49 mass expulsions and massacres of Palestinians that transformed the Zionist settler society into the Israeli settler state. This much is clear in that Palestinian resistance from Gaza – armed and unarmed, confrontational and noncooperative and everything in between – begins with Palestinian dispossession to the Gaza Strip and its production as a geography of ethnic cleansing. More simply and in terms correcting Zionism’s most famous myth: Palestine was made a land without people by creating a people without land, the refugees expelled to Gaza and elsewhere.

So what should we demand of the U.S. government were Lenape militants firing rockets into Manhattan? By every conception of justice but for those explicitly White supremacist, Manhattan is Lenape land. Any response from the settler regime regardless of the ethics of the rockets themselves must account for that should the regime actually want the rockets to stop. The fundamental violence is Palestinian dispossession in all its forms. Ending Palestinian rocket fire means subverting the geography of ethnic cleansing. Responding to absurdities like, “Would you expect the US government to ignore daily missiles on Boston?” means locating the impetus for rocket fire. Ideally not just in describing present day Israeli repression but contextualizing the rocket fire in the ongoing ethnic cleansing of 1947-49 that created the Gaza Strip and gave birth to resistance from Gaza which, for the last several years, has included rocket fire. Because it matters who is firing the rockets as “who” goes a long way to explaining “why.” It is as true about the rockets of 2014 from Gaza as it was about the rockets of 1982 from Lebanon.

* Note that not included in the list of helpful interventions is historian Juan Cole’s problematic blog post that, amongst other problems, asserts the U.S. effectively decolonized after World War II – the exact moment when the Indian Termination policy was put in place.

This article is dedicated to the memory of the revolutionary, brilliant, powerful, hilarious and loving Detroiter Charity Mahouna Hicks who has joined the ancestors. So much of our vision and understanding in Detroit stems from her wisdom and interventions towards justice through Black liberation and grassroots social change. The world is infinitely poorer without her and the screed above is a wholly insufficient tribute and contribution to her memory and legacy. I am infinitely blessed to know her as friend and sister in struggle. #WageLove.

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  1. seafoid
    July 17, 2014, 11:43 am

    What would Jesus do? He wouldn’t run the Gaza persecution program in the first place.

    I would sort out the right of return.

  2. seafoid
    July 17, 2014, 12:05 pm

    I wouldn’t set up a refuge that bombed the shit out of the neighbours as a matter of course. I don’t think it would be safe long term.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      July 17, 2014, 12:18 pm

      Who ever set up Gaza as a refuge? The Israelis set it up in 1948 as a receptacle — a temporary one, they must have hoped — for Palestinians they were in the process of expelling from their homes.

      • seafoid
        July 17, 2014, 1:46 pm

        Duh. Israel is the refuge, the safe haven, the never again superjew hothouse, the IDF forever , the history tells us nothing Crusader redux shtetl par excellence, down to the wall

      • Mooser
        July 17, 2014, 4:08 pm

        Except, it occurred to me the other day while tossing cards into a top-hat (it’s hot outside) that the whole Israel-as-a-refuge-for-endangered-Jews (not, of course, that we weren’t at many times and places, but feh who isn’t, these days?) was worked out before there was airplanes, guided missiles, or even accurate long-range artillery.

      • seafoid
        July 17, 2014, 4:16 pm

        AND it’s on the coastal plain, Mooser. Uh oh.
        On the edge of Asia, facing the sea.


  3. Citizen
    July 17, 2014, 12:08 pm

    Focus on Palestinian Rockets into Israel, not Why those rockets go there despite the obvious imbalance of deaths and maiming? An analogy that springs to my mind, is why did the US mainstream media focus on the harm done by the 9/11 attacks, not the motives of the 9/11 attackers? Even the 9/11 Commission spelled it out if one read the body of that report, not merely the generic conclusion redacted, which was that of course US foreign policy invites blowback.

    I suggest the evidence and probabilities on 9/11 motives are shown here: http://www.bollyn.com/mossad-madness-and-9-11

    And now we have this turkey shoot in Gaza. Gee, I wonder why the US government allows it when they have more leverage than anybody over Israel.

    • Mooser
      July 17, 2014, 4:15 pm

      I haven’t seen any photos of the damage caused by the “rain” of rockets from Gaza. Is the damage from those rockets not photogenic? I would think photos of the results of the attacks would be spread far and wide.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 4:29 pm

        Have a look at this photo Mooser:


        At first I didn’t believe it was caused by a rocket from Gaza, but I checked around and indeed it was, I saw other photos. It appears Hamas have gotten some bigger rockets than previously – the Qassams of old had little effect.

        Rumour has it also they’ve trained a lot with members of Hezbollah and may have anti-tank weapons.

        We’re about to find out; ground invasion has just commenced.

      • Citizen
        July 18, 2014, 7:06 am

        @ Sumud
        Photo is among those coming from an Israeli official’s Twitter site: https://twitter.com/AusAmbIsrael

        I don’t believe anything Israeli officials say. They have a pattern of lies and omissions, and fabrications.

      • tree
        July 18, 2014, 1:00 pm


        You mention that you saw other photos of this scene. Could you link to them? The damage doesn’t look like rocket damage to me and with a Google search I haven’t been able to find any other use of this photo or mention of this in any news source recently, nor have I found it with Tin Eye, which is an internet photo search engine. The only source that I can find is the one you posted, which is ElderofZion.

        On edit I see Citizen’s post about the Israeli official’s twitter photo. Any other news source for this besides a twitter photo?

      • tree
        July 18, 2014, 1:14 pm

        I found a similar image to the damage photo Sumud posted. Here it is from Haaretz, so the photo is legit, and I stand corrected. The photo does show significant damage and the woman was very lucky. Not as much damage as the Israeli missiles cause in Gaza but significant damage to this poor woman’s home.


      • tree
        July 17, 2014, 5:01 pm

        Here’s video of another one. Significantly less damage than the one that Sumud posted.


      • Mooser
        July 17, 2014, 7:00 pm

        Thanks very much to both of you for providing pictures. There’s not much of a comparison.

      • Tobias
        July 17, 2014, 9:25 pm

        Well the cat got a helluva fright.

      • Citizen
        July 18, 2014, 7:07 am

        @ tree
        Well, that HAMAS rocket did scare the squirrel out of the tree it hit.

  4. American
    July 17, 2014, 12:09 pm

    If you want to move Americans make it ‘personal.’

    My tactic is to ask people if the Jews or Zionist had selected North Carolina as their promised land and moved in and violently driven out we natives and all non jews and conficated their property—-What would we have done?
    I’ve never had a single person tell me they wouldnt have fought it.

    • Chu
      July 17, 2014, 12:48 pm

      I use the New Jersey analogy since it closet in sq miles to Israel. Imagine if someone came knocking at your door and said ‘get off your property this is our ancient homeland.’ It’s really shameful how this occupation functions with a green light from American politicians and the media. All about who has the power.

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 17, 2014, 1:28 pm

        Somebody already knocked on the door said, ‘get off our property’ and violently drove out the natives in New Jersey and North Carolina. It was you and your antecedents. New Jersey and North Carolina are to the indigenous population what Israel is to Palestinians. New Jersey and North Carolina are, like Israel, settler colonies.

      • Chu
        July 17, 2014, 2:37 pm

        ok. Jimmy. Thanks for the lesson bro. And you’re in Detroit. American settlers didn’t take over Indian townships. You are using a stale comparative of equivalence relation.

        So will Gazans one day get to live on ‘reservations’ and get to sell tobacco to Israelis one day?

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 17, 2014, 3:50 pm

        Yes, Detroit and Michigan are just the same. The point is that it is dishonest to ask US settlers to place themselves in the shoes of Palestinians without noting that they (the US settlers) are actually the Israelis in the comparison.

      • Mooser
        July 17, 2014, 4:29 pm

        The point is, there is no reason why that process, of better armed (or better endowed by quirks of history in the arts of dominance) settlers taking over and eliminating or driving out indigenous, or indeed, deeply rooted people there at the time must be repeated every time this happens.
        There’s no good reason (except to racists and the like) why that pattern must go on, and a huge number of reasons why it should be stopped, and people’s rights supported.

      • Citizen
        July 18, 2014, 7:27 am

        @ Jimmy Johnson

        And it’s dishonest of you not to mention this is no longer the 19th Century, and since then we’ve had two world wars resulting in the Nuremberg and Toyko trials and their Geneva progeny. Your argument would reinstate the cave man clan wars, would mean nothing good has come from so many million deaths in the 20th Century. The UN may be corrupt, and international laws and institutions may be weak and selective via enforcement, but they do exist. Israel in this sense is a regressive state operating outside and against existing international law, including all of it Israel itself has signed on to. The US is not helping its own increasingly bad reputation by rubber-stamping Israel, funding it, and immunizing it from accountability to international law.
        At Nuremberg Goering confidently said Might is Right, and he said it was ridiculously easy to get democratic countries to be oppressors. Stir up fear in the population, and then they will allow you to do whatever you want so long as its masked in defending them. The IDF is not expressly and officially called that for nothing. “Defense” is a mask for oppression & exploitation more often than not.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 3:23 pm


        Of course and the same for me in Australia, a settler colony with a dispossessed indigenous population.

        But none of the new world countries in 2014 are doing anything like what is being done to Palestinians today. Unfortunately for Israel it came along too late and what was acceptable 200 years ago was not in 1948, especially after WW2.

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 17, 2014, 3:56 pm

        Israel primarily uses bureaucratic means to dispossess Palestinians like most other settler coloniea. That Australia (or US, Canada, etc.) hasn’t bombed the natives in the last several years is important but it doesn’t change that the bureaucracy is still proactively anti-native.

      • Chu
        July 17, 2014, 4:30 pm

        Jimmy, What your saying is “you did it, too”. If my father or my grandfather, great grandfather was involved (like say S.A. apartheid) with eradicating the native indian population (note that there were no towns and infrastructure) that would be relevant. The actions of early settlers was almost 200 years ago, and you are trying to compare me to Israel’s settlers today? no thanks..
        Hasbara trolls attempt to silence critics with this “you did it too” defense.
        Dont even bother trying to call me a former settle, cause I’m a cool liberal man, all my tobacco comes from the reservation bro. Just chill with the settler accusations. no need to dig yourself deeper.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 4:39 pm

        The last several years??? I get your point but no need to exaggerate.

        What is your way forward or ideal outcome? Anti-native how?

        Can’t countries like Au or NZ serve as a post-colonial model for Israel? The zios have fucked Palestinians so hard they’re afraid it will end up like Algeria, the suitcase or the coffin. It doesn’t have to.

        *To be clear I’m for a single state with equal rights, full right-of-return and all that stolen land that the JNF and a few other orgs are holding – something like 93% of the land west of the green line – to go back to it’s rightful owners with financial compensation to be paid where not possible.

        I suppose that’s a lot more radical that Au and NZ, we have native title in Au, but that is a function of Israel coming into existence when it did.

      • American
        July 17, 2014, 4:03 pm

        Oh jimmy boy, how typical of you…you could be one of those’ zio infiltrators into the Palestine cause’ with yur whataboutery ‘all you other unsurpers and settlers.’

        BTW… you forgot to include the snake in the Garden of Eden as a dirty interloper who tricked Adam and Eve out of their land in ‘your historical review of evil settlers who are/were no different than israel’……except you are 2 centuries behind the times in your comparisons.

        get your kindergarden crap outta here—today is today not yesterday.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 5:55 pm

        Chu and American I think you’re misinterpreting what JJ is saying.

        I don’t know much about the situation in US but there is still a significant way to go in Australia.

      • MHughes976
        July 17, 2014, 6:20 pm

        I often say that I’m probably descended from both sides in the Welsh-English conflicts of fifth century England, whether they amounted to bloody genocide or merely to peaceful infiltration. Quite likely both sets of ancestors would think my blood shamefully polluted by that of the enemy. On my English side I may well be descended from people who behaved like Israelis (or worse, who knows) but at least the minimum that needed to be done to put things right has been done, that is to say that universal enfranchisement and equal right to hold property and to participate in political life have been conceded. That is surely the very minimum that should be done in Palestine now.
        Modern Americans are descended from those who dispossessed the people they found but they have the right and the duty to ask modern Jewish Israelis to take the steps they have now taken towards putting things right. I concede that the cost to modern white Americans of putting things right for the ‘first families’ of America was very slight because the survivors of those families were so few, but I don’t think that that fact eliminates the duty to call on Israelis to do likewise.

      • RoHa
        July 17, 2014, 9:27 pm

        “universal enfranchisement and equal right to hold property and to participate in political life have been conceded.”

        And the result of that was Lloyd George! But, yes, if the English can agree to equal rights for the Welsh, surely the Israeli Jews can do the same for the Palestinians.

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 17, 2014, 11:43 pm

        @Sumud – The U.S., like the Australian government, continues to steal native children to raise them in the settler society for one example. The U.S. continues to hold native political prisoners. The U.S. continues to celebrate indigenous removal (Thanksgiving Holiday, Columbus Day, celebrating genociding like groups like the 49ers, lionizing genocidaires like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Jackson on currency, street names, schools, monuments, etc., celebrating tales of frontiersmen in Western films and tv programs, etc.). Every new housing development is further settler enclosure of indigenous land. Further, so much of policy has direct lineage to the politics and military actions of conquest. U.S. military personnel occupying Iraq and Afghanistan use terms like ‘Indian Country’ to discuss territory outside their control. Australia does a lot of analogous stuff. All of this is very present tense and comprises the systemic violence the indigenous populations face (including from local, state and federal police units). Further, the settler states still legislate who is native and who is not. Meaning, the settler state can and does still legislate indigenous people out of existence.

        The question of Native Title (and the Mabo Case ruling generally) is important but it hasn’t (yet) changed that the settlers are sovereign and the natives are not. I have not studied Australia like I have the US, Israel, Liberia and South Africa. I know the broad contours only so my impressions might be off but I don’t see or hear from native radicals anything much ‘post’ about settler colonialism in Australia (nor, of course, the US). Sorry to be so longwinded.

        @ chu & American – Comparing Israel and the U.S. isn’t an exoneration of Israel, it’s an indictment of the U.S. as also being a settler society fundamentally rooted in indigenous removal. See above for how it is present tense. If you really and truly cannot see how the United States is fully 100% dependent on genocides and ethnic cleansing for its present existence then it’s something of a miracle that you can see why it’s wrong that Israel does it too. Guess I’m glad you can see at least one case though. And chu, you’re completely wrong about infrastructures and towns and such. No idea where you’re getting that from. Even were it true it wouldn’t make it ok, but your facts are way off base.

  5. oldgeezer
    July 17, 2014, 12:26 pm

    Off topic but Arab Defamation League sounds like their purpose is to defame Arabs.

    • Jimmy Johnson
      July 17, 2014, 1:30 pm

      It’s part of the spoof. The Anti-Defamation League made the original. “Arab Defamation League” is part of the satire.

      • Citizen
        July 18, 2014, 7:42 am

        @ Jimmy Johnson
        Your long-winded comment at 11:43PM yesterday does nothing to show the degree to which Palestinians suffer from equal rights with Jewish Israelis matches what America’s present day native Americans (“Indian tribes) suffer today from the contemporary American government. Your equation is silly. And, again, you ignore international law, paid for by the death of all those victims of WW1 & WW2.

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 18, 2014, 12:43 pm

        Yes, not two settler colonies are identical. What’s your point? Apartheid South Africa was different in every policy than Apartheid Israel. Yet both are apartheid states and we do not hesitate to make the comparison. I don’t get your point about international law at all. Except in very few instances – and those instances always against poorer, especially African countries – does international law ever intervene. It is used to punish crimes after the fact and even then, only when purpotrated by states or actors completely out of favor. For example, who in South Africa was tried by international law for the crime of apartheid? Who in the US for Vietnam? Who in El Salvador or Nicaragua? Ad infinitum.

    • American
      July 17, 2014, 9:07 pm

      Sumud says:

      July 17, 2014 at 5:55 pm

      Chu and American I think you’re misinterpreting what JJ is saying.

      I don’t know much about the situation in US but there is still a significant way to go in Australia>>>>>

      Naw I ‘m not misreading him…….he rants on this ‘historical settlers crimes” of conquers all the time to compare to Israel. Its his ‘thang’…….hes one of those who’ just has to insert his ”mine is larger than yours personal cause’
      and moral pretentiousness on the world’s ‘dishonesty’ into every situtation
      This is about ‘stealing land in Palestine in the 20-21 th century not 200 years ago .
      He should post at the World Wide Socialist web site where they love that kind college sophmore stuff.

      • Jimmy Johnson
        July 18, 2014, 12:29 pm

        This standard is arbitrary and beyond that, doesn’t exclude the United States in any serious way. Hawai’i shares much of the same time period as Palestine and the Alaska purchase is only 15 years before the first Zionist settlements. Over a dozen other native territories were made into US states since the start of Zionist colonization of Palestine. Even by your arbitrary standards you’re wrong here. The US is a settler society the same as Israel.

  6. DaBakr
    July 17, 2014, 12:42 pm

    this is a joke, right? i fully expect to see comments filled with brimming outrage and hostility to the obvious use of PW’s own beloved term: ‘whataboutery’. Secondly, I can’t help but chuckle that someone would postulate on what the US response would be to wild missile fire on Mahatten and the serious response is: “it depends on who..”

    And then the postulation is that were it from the long dispossessed tribe of the Lenape people it would be one thing and were it from Germans or French, [more appropriate would be Canadian, Mexican, Alaskan, Cuban, Bahama, etc] it would be entirely another. So, when an anti-Zionist postulates on the relevant ‘whatabouts’ that point out the total hypocrisy directed at Israel in the long running dispute it is ‘legitimate strategy’ for countering “apologists” and other supporters of Israel but when an Israeli brings up the same point they are attacked as a skeevy practitioner of ‘whatabout’. Very rich and enlightening to say the least.

    Also-If either A) the Germans, B) the Canadians, C) Mexicans or even D)the former inhabitants of manhattan, the Lenape People fired indiscriminate missiles at downtown Manhattan it would NEVER depend-from a US defensive and miliary standpoint. The missile launchers would be attacked with the full force of the US military machine until the source was either obliterated or arrested. If it did happen to be an internal guerrilla force of first nations and massive bombing no effective-surely a force of well trained military forces would concentrate its full might on cornering, capturing and stopping any further missile attacks and making sure that quiet was restored to the city. So I am not really sure what author thinks is so useful in presenting this hypothesis as a way of supporting a woman promoting a Gaurdian article. (LOL! A Guardian op-ed is already stamped with the anti-zionist approval rating)

    Just so its known that in this ‘war of ideas’ that when one side uses the exposing of hypocrisy to point out the many fallacies of the others pov-it may not be so useful to label such tactics with a clearly negative and imo, stupid sounding, ‘whatabout___’if the rules are to be applied with such phrasing equally. However-if only a Zionist can commit ‘whataboutism’ then it can be judged on its own merits

    • amigo
      July 17, 2014, 3:48 pm

      Da bakr,

      Your vile Apartheid state is busy slaughtering Palestinian children and you dare come here with your petulant zionist horse crap.

      Get lost.

    • Mooser
      July 17, 2014, 4:20 pm

      Zionists are generous, I like that. I thought I might need a drink when I saw the length of “Dabakr”s comment, and he sent a whole case of whine!

      • MHughes976
        July 17, 2014, 5:44 pm

        The full idea of Zionism is that only Jewish people have ‘birthright’ in Palestine but others may have a certain right as a result of the generosity of the true heirs. So there is a substantial enfranchised minority of non-Jewish people in the Israeli polity. On Zionist principles, this is remarkable generosity, hardly paralleled in the world – where else are people with no basic entitlement permitted to be full citizens? On other principles, it is making a maddening display of offering people, as if it were a gift, what was always theirs.

      • DaBakr
        July 17, 2014, 10:53 pm

        interesting comment. lacks depth but not truth to a degree.

      • Mooser
        July 18, 2014, 5:02 pm

        “interesting comment. lacks depth but not truth to a degree.”

        Mr. Price Tag speaks!

      • MHughes976
        July 19, 2014, 4:02 am

        As to your reference, Mooser, to ‘Mr. Price Tag’ – I suppose many people have been victimised by price-taggers but to be patronised by them is rather more rare.

    • Citizen
      July 18, 2014, 7:49 am

      @ DaBakr
      What’s hypocritical about the growth of civil rights in USA since the 19th century. and about the growth of international law since 1945? The human race as a whole has progressed beyond the biblical Joshua’s world view–have you?

    • amigo
      July 17, 2014, 3:57 pm

      Sumud, no doubt club mehane will be along to show us Israelis running to shelters from Khamas toy rockets.

      I wonder if they check for citizenship or Jewishness at the door.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 5:57 pm

        amigo I hate to tell you but I did hear a few days ago about some Palestinian Israelis being refused entry to a shelter because they weren’t jewish.

      • lysias
        July 17, 2014, 6:00 pm

        Just what the German authorities did to the Jews left in Germany during air raids during World War Two. They too were not allowed into the shelters.

  7. Kay24
    July 17, 2014, 2:22 pm

    I wonder why Ron Dermer was at the Iftar dinner at the WH recently.
    What the heck was the White House thinking? Dermer would be personal non grata among the Muslims right now. Add to that his tweets have made some unhappy.


    Are Muslims invited for any Jewish event at the WH?

    • Sumud
      July 17, 2014, 2:58 pm

      He had a twitter hashtag Q&A today using #AskDermer that was a spectacular failure, it was “hijacked by activists”, or you could say We The People let him know in no uncertain terms that Israel’s attack on Gaza was unacceptable.

      An Israeli Ambassador Tried To Hold A Chat Over Twitter, And It Turned Into A Disaster

      He was at the WH Iftar apparently because Israel has a Muslim population, he claimed on a network recently, but of course he was really there to situate the head of the table and keep Obama in line.

      • Kay24
        July 17, 2014, 4:51 pm

        No doubt to also intimidate the Muslims, by showing up with the sugar daddy. Sort of like putting up a united front, to show the US belongs to ISRAEL.

      • Sumud
        July 17, 2014, 5:59 pm

        That’s it, I meant to write “sit at the head of the table” #autocorrectFAIL

  8. Patrick
    July 17, 2014, 2:22 pm

    “What if your neighbourhood was a giant prison?” Yes, that does describe Gaza, and, yes, anyone would want to fight back.

    But you would want to do so effectively. I just don’t see that the rockets Hamas is directing at Israel as advancing in any way the cause of Gazans. On the military plane Israel is supreme. It makes no sense to me to fight on terrain where your adversary has every advantage.

    • seafoid
      July 17, 2014, 2:36 pm

      It’s a PR event. Israel has the flash weaponry but it’s not about that. Hamas knows Israel will kill children and thus damage its own legitimacy.
      It’s about exposing how Israel sees Palestinians to international view.

    • lysias
      July 17, 2014, 2:37 pm

      As Clausewitz said, “War is a mere continuation of politics by other means” (Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln). I.e., the true aim of war is political. Even if Hammas cannot win a military victory, it can win a political victory by discrediting Israel.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 17, 2014, 2:56 pm

      they want to end the blockade. how would you advise they do that? israel didn’t honor the last ceasefire anyway. they killed lots of gazans since 2012 and before this latest round. and israel should release all those WB prisoners and all the other palestinian prisoners held without charge. it’s been going on too long.

      • Patrick
        July 17, 2014, 4:40 pm

        I agree with all the points that you raise. And certainly an end to the blockade is their objective. But is this the likely outcome? I really doubt it, especially now that the generals are running Egypt and quietly cheering on Israel. It seems to me that the most likely outcome is a restoration of the status quo.

  9. American
    July 17, 2014, 3:39 pm


    The entire Gaza strip in being massacred by israeli land sea and air assault.

    US zionist media will and already is trying to deflect from this with tearful descriptions of the dead bodies in Boeing 777 crash in the Ukraine.

    All power in Gaza cut—this is it—they are wiping them out.
    The US zionist media lies are astounding—Isr has to do this because Hamas rejected the ceasefire—the one that hamas was never consulted on.

    • Sumud
      July 17, 2014, 6:05 pm

      The power cut is just psyops American, they’re only going in a short distance at this point. Bibi knows he can’t go too far, too many ppl watching. Too many ppl outside the US that is.

      Lots of air assault though, that’s all the cowardly ziobots are good at.

      • American
        July 17, 2014, 9:17 pm

        I hope you are right Sumud.

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