Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade

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Israel and the Palestinian armed groups waging war in Gaza for the past seven weeks have inked a cease-fire deal that promises an end to the fighting. While the full terms of the deal have not been released, news outlets are reporting that the agreement includes an easing of the blockade of Gaza and the halting of attacks from both sides.

The reported terms of the deal are similar to the 2012 agreement that ended Israel’s last assault on Gaza, though that deal was never implemented. It remains to be seen whether a real easing of the blockade, the core demand of Palestinians, will take place. There was no mechanism for enforcing that 2012 agreement, and it doesn’t look like there will be a mechanism for enforcing this deal. Nevertheless, representatives of Palestinian parties are celebrating the deal as a victory, and people in Gaza have also taken to the streets in celebration.

“We have reached an agreement for a ceasefire according to the 2012 deal, which includes opening the borders, and bringing in building materials,” Islamic Jihad official Ziad Nakhallah told The Guardian‘s Harriet Sherwood and Patrick Kingsley, who is reporting from Cairo, where cease-fire negotiations have taken place during the war. The deal also reportedly includes the opening of the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza, and an easing of restrictions on fishing off the Gaza coast. The Palestinian Authority will govern the Palestinian side of the Rafah crossing, a return to arrangements at the border before Hamas and Fatah fought a brief battle for control of Gaza in 2007. The buffer zone that eats up agricultural land in Gaza near the Israel border will also be eased.

Other key issues that Hamas demanded will be talked about in a month. Those include the release of Palestinian prisoners, an airport and seaport for Gaza and the transfer of funds from Qatar to government employees in Gaza that Israel has blocked. Hamas also is said to hold the remains of two Israeli soldiers, which potentially paves the way towards a prisoner swap.

In Israel, the reaction was much more dour. The deal was unilaterally agreed to by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu without the consent of his cabinet. Netanyahu’s coalition partners–and political rivals–Naftali Bennett and Avigdor Lieberman oppose the cease-fire. The prime minister is sure to take a political beating in the aftermath of the war. His poll numbers have already dropped in recent days from 82 percent to 38 percent. And political officials in the south of Israel, which have borne the brunt of Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks, have harshly criticized the deal. “Any concession to Hamas is a surrender to terrorism,” the mayor of Ashkelon told Haaretz.

The cease-fire agreement concludes the fiercest round of fighting ever waged in Gaza. The Palestinian death toll over 50 days of war stands at over 2,100, most of them civilians, and over 11,000 injured. About 500 Palestinian children were killed. 64 Israeli soldiers and five Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinian factions. Many people have fled Israel’s southern communities.

The key question for many Palestinians in Gaza is rebuilding. Whole neighborhoods have been flattened by Israeli bombs and artillery fire. About 475,000 Palestinians are displaced and many are homeless.

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  1. Mary T
    August 26, 2014, 3:23 pm

    Just a question on the Israeli dead: were all 69 of those killed by Palestinian factions, or were some killed by so-called friendly fire? I had understood that at least 4 Israeli combatants were not killed by Palestinians.

    • marc b.
      August 26, 2014, 4:59 pm

      There were 4 IDFers killed by ‘friendly fire’ in cast lead. don’t know what the numbers are this time around, but it’s probably safe to assume such casualties happened, whether reported as such or not.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 26, 2014, 5:12 pm

        there were at least 2. one shot on the israel side of the border when they thought it was hamas incognito. the other was the hannibal death when they massacred 100’s of palestinians to kill their own so he wouldn’t get captured, probably. i can’t recall others off the top of my head. their may have been one other hannibal killing.

      • Taxi
        August 28, 2014, 4:57 am

        Two “Hannibal” cases are currently being studied by Palestinian international lawyers to determine if they fit the definition of a war crime:
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawan-jabarin/the-hannibal-directive-a-_b_5721752.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

      • just
        August 28, 2014, 10:05 am

        Good! Thanks, Taxi.

        (the hasbaristas in the comments section are truly pitiful! guess the new memo hasn’t churned its way thru H. Central yet)

      • Peacefan
        August 27, 2014, 5:21 am

        I read in Haaretz about a week ago that it was 5 killed by “friendly” fire this time. If my memory is working well it was 4 during Cast Lead.

      • marc b.
        August 27, 2014, 9:43 am

        yup. and as Annie’s comment implies, you have this bizarre hybrid of friendly fire deaths, which I would normally define as ‘accidental’. the Hannibal Lector directive, or whatever they call it, is more like a human sacrifice.

  2. eljay
    August 26, 2014, 3:27 pm

    >> “Any concession to Hamas is a surrender to terrorism,” the mayor of Ashkelon told Haaretz.

    Any concession to oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” – a state that has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians for over 60 years – is a concession to terrorism. And, yet, Zio-supremacist seem to think that that’s appropriate.

  3. seafoid
    August 26, 2014, 3:32 pm

    Ceasefire according to the 2012 deal- what happened to those conditions ? Israel broke every single one of them.

    Massive political clusterfuck in Israel ahead. Bennett and Lieberman say no to ceasefire and Netanyahu has 38% approval. 95% Jewish approval for the carnage – they are hardly going to give in on the siege just like that.

    The economy is already slowing down.

    Time is tight for Zionism to pull a rabbit out of the hat

    • Kay24
      August 26, 2014, 4:48 pm

      Thanks for linking that seafoid. I just love Booker T and the M.G’s, and this instrumental number in particular. I have not heard it for such a long time. :))

      • seafoid
        August 26, 2014, 5:18 pm

        Isn’t it just perfect ? Beautiful piece of music .

      • Kay24
        August 26, 2014, 6:34 pm

        Hey seafoid, do you remember this one by the Ventures? We’d better quit now before Annie and Phil get mad at us for wasting space. Heh.

      • Mary T
        August 26, 2014, 6:44 pm

        Oh man! I’m back in high school!

      • oldgeezer
        August 27, 2014, 12:29 am

        Oh I do. It’s the only thing I ever learned to play on drums. I can’t even name all the instruments but a group of approx 8 of us spent many days mastering that. (wll, ok, we think we did)

      • seafoid
        August 27, 2014, 5:48 pm

        Thanks for the link Kay

        this was on Wikipedia about the MGs

        ” In 1969, Duck Dunn and Booker T. Jones, in particular, had become enamored with The Beatles, especially their work on Abbey Road. The appreciation was mutual, as The Beatles had patterned a lot of what they did on the M.G.’s. John Lennon was a huge Stax fan who fondly called the group, “Book a Table and the Maitre D’s” (in 1974, Lennon facetiously credited himself and his studio band as “Dr. Winston And Booker Table And The Maitre d’s” on his original R&B-inspired instrumental, “Beef Jerky”.). Paul McCartney, like Dunn, played bass melodically, without straying from the rhythm or the groove. It was obvious through each of their playing that they admired one another. After being locked away in the Memphis studio, when the company embarked on the “Hit the Road, Stax!” tour of 1967, The Beatles sent limos to the airport and bent down to kiss Steve Cropper’s ring.[citation needed] The M.G.’s had no idea, until then, of the impact they were having on the rest of the world. Lennon was quoted as saying he always wanted to write an instrumental for the M.G.’s”.

  4. a blah chick
    August 26, 2014, 3:37 pm

    There’s quite a bit of discussion as to how much the Palestinians have gained but one thing is certain, this is a complete and total defeat for Butcher Bibi and his government. NOT ONE of his stated goals has been met, not a single one. They have accomplished nothing except for proving they can slaughter with impunity, and we knew that already.

    • amigo
      August 26, 2014, 4:21 pm

      “They have accomplished nothing except for proving they can slaughter with impunity, and we knew that already. ” abc

      They managed to lose 64 soldiers and four Israeli civilians and a non National.

      Your right and Israelis will be asking themselves –what for??.

    • Gene Shae
      August 26, 2014, 6:17 pm

      All they wanted was quiet. Quiet for quiet. Are you suggesting that Hamas will not be quiet?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 26, 2014, 6:27 pm

        Are you suggesting that Hamas will not be quiet?

        why would anyone expect hamas to be quiet while israel imposes a brutal occupation? only people in complete mental submission would be quiet in the face of israeli intransigence. hamas isn’t the one who breaks ceasefires. and everyone knows already israel would like nothing more than silence from their victims as they rape and pillage palestine. so this “quiet for quiet” is BS. even in relative quiet times israel’s off killing children in cold blood like they did during the nakba day demonstration. and no one’s idea od quiet is thieving land and publishing permits for expanded settlements. that’s not quiet.

        if israel lifts the siege, sure..then you can see some quiet.

      • Gene Shae
        August 26, 2014, 8:51 pm

        Ok, well they agreed to be quiet as part of the cease fire.
        Are you disappointed?
        If so, perhaps from where you sit you know what is better for them to do.

      • Giles
        August 27, 2014, 11:49 am

        As far as I can tell — and I have looked a lot — Israel has never abided by a single agreement they have made with the Palestinians. Nor a single UN Resolution. But by all means, let’s blame Hamas (or Ahmajinedad, or the PLO, or Ararat, or Tutu, or Goldstone, or the UN, or somebody — anybody but Israel).

      • seafoid
        August 27, 2014, 12:56 am

        Were you aware of the Israeli Palestinian conflict last april, Gene ?
        http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3c2dfafa-e99f-11e3-bbc1-00144feabdc0.html

        “I call on all responsible elements in the international community not to run to recognise a Palestinian government of which Hamas is a part or which rests on Hamas,” Mr Netanyahu said in remarks before the weekly meeting of his cabinet.
        “Hamas is a terrorist organisation that calls for the destruction of Israel, and the international community must not embrace it. This will not strengthen peace; it will strengthen terrorism.”

      • talknic
        August 27, 2014, 8:00 am

        The cease fire is with Hamas NOT Palestine.

        Palestine still has the legal right to mount armed resistance to the Occupying Power while the Occupying Power has military control of ANY Palestinian territory.

  5. just
    August 26, 2014, 3:40 pm

    “people in Gaza have also taken to the streets in celebration.”

    As long as they are celebrating, I am glad. I am not going to pick apart anything about the deal.

    I am not surprised at your assessment that “In Israel, the reaction was much more dour.”

    Once again, they expose themselves as genocidal maniacs of a “lunatic state”. (h/t Norman Finkelstein)

    I hope that justice, freedom and peace for the Palestinians follow soon. Long live Palestine!

    • Gene Shae
      August 26, 2014, 8:56 pm

      Interesting quote Just. Do you know that NF supports the two state solution and the maintenance of Israel with a Jewish majority? Yes he does. I like how you pick and choose the parts of his body of work that align with your worldview and ignore the rest

      • Giles
        August 27, 2014, 12:01 pm

        What’s interesting is the Gene Shae thinks NF’s view on the 2 state solution somehow discredits just’s comment.

      • Xelcho
        August 27, 2014, 4:32 pm

        Giles,

        I wanted to reply to your earlier comment, but the Reply “button” was not there, so here I am. Your comment about the Israel not abiding by agreements fascinated me. Needless to say, as an American I first thought of the parallels to the native americans, and boy are there many. I have not looked into the agreements nor the actions taken by either side during the times in question. I would think that this information would be of great value to us. Please expand upon this.

        Thanks,
        X

  6. seafoid
    August 26, 2014, 3:57 pm

    Bernie Sanders won’t be happy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2cCdgwgoM

    Naftali “Hamas is committing self genocide” looks stupid now
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMG7Fze6sgQ

    What will US senators say now ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1U3UpXwUV4

    Mark Regev unlikely to get a bonus this year
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRfNRQblXbs

    Great work done by Jon Snow
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JKcSi1sa_w

    and Dr Mads Gilbert

  7. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    August 26, 2014, 3:59 pm

    They’re celebrating in Gaza – and across Palestine and Jordan – and sulking in Israel.

    That’s good, but I’m not sure this is the emphatic victory Hamas are making it out to be. No sea port, no airport, no release of prisoners, no transfer of funds. These are all to be discussed ‘later’, ie never, in the Oslo style we all know and don’t love.

    That said, this is without a doubt a strategic defeat for Bibi and Israel. Hamas was firing rockets into Israel right until the ceasefire. The ‘terror tunnels’ have almost certainly not all been destroyed, whatever Regev will tell you. Then there’s the massive PR disaster this has been for Brand Israel, and the macho doctrine of ‘deterrence’. Israel’s much hyped army and intelligence services shown, yet again, to be vastly overrated. All things considered, I highly doubt that Bibi would have launched a little World Cup lawn mowing if he had had a clue what Hamas had in store for him.

    • Kay24
      August 27, 2014, 10:45 am

      The blockade has only been eased. Certainly no removal. I guess the Palestinians do not have much choice. Things will gradually get back to square one in a short time.

      At least the massacre will stop for now.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 27, 2014, 11:17 am

        Yes, but if all they had wanted was to get back to square one and end the massacres, they could have had that deal weeks, and hundreds of deaths, ago. Hamas and the people of Gaza were holding out for more. It remains to be seen if they’ve achieved that.

      • Taxi
        August 27, 2014, 2:57 pm

        They have a month to discuss the ‘details’ for lifting the siege – but a lifting of the siege will take place – the current agreement specifies this – and if israel reneges down the line, then…. well… here comes another rocket or two and here comes the sirens in tel aviv!

        The Palestinian Resistance is celebrating because they have finally got themselves a deterrent against israel’s capricious, violent paroxysms . No more political assassinations by israel, no more mass arrests, no more limited ‘strikes’ on Gaza etc. Them stinking old days are over! From here on, israel will have to think twice before spilling Palestinian blood in Gaza, in the West Bank or in East Jerusalem.

        Bravo Palestine! With barbaric enemies like israel, armed resistance is the ultimate weapon that gets you results. Just ask the Lebanese.

        But what I’m really chuffed about though is the fact that the idf has now lost even more prestige with their military failure in Gaza (they lost prestige when they couldn’t defeat hizbollah back in 2006). Yeah that the ‘mighty’ idf couldn’t even take over a small piece of land like Gaza must be the cause of much jolly sniggering around the mess-halls of the world.

        Hey a big fat bravo again Palestine! Salutes and salutations to all Palestine supporters too.

      • Shingo
        August 28, 2014, 7:22 am

        I’m with you Taxi,

        Amazing effort especially given that they had to face off Israel while Egypt were stabbing them in the back.

      • Taxi
        August 28, 2014, 10:38 am

        Funny thing though, Shingo, them back-stabbing Egyptians are the ones who ultimately made happen the deal that the Palestinian Resistance wanted.

        When the israeli negotiators first went to Cairo to ‘negotiate’, they refused to agree to lifting the Gaza siege and insisted that it is Egypt’s place to open the Rafah border for relief instead; but the Egyptian team wouldn’t have any of it, telling the israelis that they would not permit them to conflate the israeli siege of Gaza with the Rafah Crossing closure.

        Had Egypt not taken such a strong and unflinching stand regarding this particular point, israel would have not been made to face reality and thereby submit to the (rightful) demands of the Palestinian Resistance.

        On Almadeen TV, I have heard nothing for two days but lofty praise for Egypt from Palestinian representatives, both in the military and in the political arenas.

      • Kay24
        August 28, 2014, 9:55 am

        It certainly seems this time they held their ground, and rightfully so. They have always been led up the garden path, and they always end up with nothing, just the same old situation, with no relief in sight. You are right only time will tell.

  8. seafoid
    August 26, 2014, 4:07 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/26/palestinian-riad-al-malki-investigate-war-crimes-foreign-citizens-israel-army
    “The Palestinian government has urged foreign states with citizens serving in the Israeli military to investigate them for alleged war crimes committed during the current war in Gaza.

    Riad al-Malki, the Palestinian foreign minister, wrote to the governments of the UK, US, France, Australia, Canada, South Africa and five Latin American countries on Tuesday, reminding them that all states are obliged under international law to investigate alleged violations, including war crimes, committed by their nationals. Malki said that governments should warn their citizens that they could be liable for investigation and prosecution.

    Thousands of soldiers with dual nationality are conscripted into the Israel Defence Forces, while non-Israelis also volunteer under the IDF’s Mahal programme, which invites Jews from other countries to serve in combat and support roles for up to 18 months. The IDF did not respond to a request for figures.

    Malki’s letter, which was also sent to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, sets out the requirements under international law for governments to investigate alleged violations over which they have jurisdiction, including the actions of their nationals.”

    • just
      August 26, 2014, 4:38 pm

      Malki has a good point.

      There has been much “reporting” in US MSM about the foreign nationals fighting with IS, etc.

      Let’s hope that people can see beyond their usual hypocrisy.

      (thanks for the tune and for Mads, seafoid– and all of your other links which I will go back to peruse now!)

  9. MHughes976
    August 26, 2014, 4:07 pm

    If this is really true then Netanyahu may deserve some credit and the beginning of the end or at least the end of the great impasse may be in sight. I’ll let myself believe that for the moment.

  10. Justpassingby
    August 26, 2014, 4:08 pm

    Here we go again,
    are the palestinians so dumb that they believe whatever Israel say?

    • just
      August 26, 2014, 7:25 pm

      I think your comment is out of line, jpb.

      There’s lots of dead and wounded Palestinians surrounded by massive destruction.

      I don’t see or know “dumb” Palestinians.

      • Justpassingby
        August 27, 2014, 1:43 am

        It was “dead and wounded” in Cast lead you say, and what did Israel said after that? Go read Kay24’s comment below and you get my point.

      • peeesss
        August 27, 2014, 2:25 am

        I don’t see or know “dumb” Palestinians, either. But there are corrupt, collaborationist Palestinians in so-called leadership positions. This cease fire deal is , supposedly ,in essence, the 2012 deal , which was never implemented. Any deal sponsored by Egypt , an enemy of Palestine resistance and supporter of Israel , must certainly make one wary. Any “easing ” of the siege and entry/exit points to Israel and Egypt will be under the jurisdiction of the PA and Abbas . Netanyahu and Sissi will eagerly accept Abbas’s control of Gaza as germane to what they perceive is their strategic interests. In return, Abbas will give up his “threat” to take Israel to the ICC. A “threat” that was made only to diffuse the anger that his collaborationist policies with Israel has created in the west bank.

    • Kay24
      August 27, 2014, 8:36 am

      What are their choices? I don’t see any at all. No one cares about them, and do not have their interests at heart. Israel on the other hand has the US and the Western world dancing to their tune.

  11. amigo
    August 26, 2014, 4:15 pm

    “Thousands of soldiers with dual nationality are conscripted into the Israel Defence Forces, while non-Israelis also volunteer under the IDF’s Mahal programme, which invites Jews from other countries to serve in combat and support roles for up to 18 months. The IDF did not respond to a request for figures. ” seafoid

    Meantime back at rancho islamaphobo,

    “Britain is working to track British citizens who could be involved in terrorist activities, Hammond said.”

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/london-warns-of-threat-from-british-fighters-in-syria-iraq_955918.html

    The USA –ditto.

  12. Citizen
    August 26, 2014, 4:26 pm

    Not much on Gaza these days in US main TV News’Infotainment media–here’s an itemized list of truths currently going totally unreported in this crisis:
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/26/israel-v-palestine-msm-unreported-truths/

  13. amigo
    August 26, 2014, 4:27 pm

    Question ?.

    Does anyone have the figures for Israeli casualties.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 26, 2014, 4:39 pm

      I believe 64 soldiers, and 4 civilians, though one of the ‘civilians’ was at an army base ‘bringing food to the troops’ and therefore was a legitimate target, and another was Thai.

      I had heard that a mortar round had killed an Israeli – not clear if civilian or soldier – in Eshkol just before the ceasefire, though this hasn’t been mentioned since then.

      • seafoid
        August 26, 2014, 5:22 pm

        Biggest Israeli casualty was ha tourism business
        Ha IDF deterrence was also gravely wounded.
        Ha Hasbara is paralysed
        Ha economy lost $60m per day
        Ha ha ha

      • seafoid
        August 26, 2014, 5:28 pm

        I can’t wait for
        a the AIPAC conference
        b Yom Kippur

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.612637#

        “Without a formal discussion, without a vote, in laconic telephone updates with members of the security cabinet – that is how the government of Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu in August 2014 approved a cease-fire agreement with a terror organization. The same Benjamin Netanyahu who ran for election five years ago, after Operation Cast Lead, on the platform that the mission had not been accomplished, that Hamas rule had to be destroyed and that he was the only one who could do it.

        Netanyahu’s conduct during the 50 days of fighting in Gaza highlighted the gap between his statements and promises and the reality. The prime minister, who was the most strident in his statement against Hamas, ended the confrontation with the organization in the weakest position. All he wanted was to achieve a cease-fire at just about any price. When the opportunity came, he simply grabbed it and ran.”

        Remember what Shavit said when Kerry offered a deal that was more favourable to Israel than the one Netanyahu accepted ?

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607506

        ” But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ruined everything. Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a “strategic terrorist attack.” His decision to go hand in hand with Qatar and Turkey, and formulate a framework amazingly similar to the Hamas framework, was catastrophic. It put wind in the sails of Hamas’ political leader Khaled Meshal, allowed the Hamas extremists to overcome the Hamas moderates, and gave renewed life to the weakened regional alliance of the Muslim Brotherhood.

        The Obama administration proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends. The man of peace from Massachusetts intercepted with his own hands the reasonable cease-fire that was within reach, and pushed both the Palestinians and Israelis toward an escalation that most of them did not want.

        So that is why everything now hangs in the balance. Hamas is exhausted, but fanning the flames time after time. Israel is showing restraint time after time. Netanyahu and Ya’alon are still managing a battle against those who may very well entangle Israel in a real war. But the way Kerry played into the hands of Turkey and Qatar, and the extremist Palestinians and Israelis, has created a situation that is still quite dangerous.

        If Israel is forced to ultimately undertake an expanded ground operation in which dozens of young Israelis and hundreds of Palestinian civilians could lose their lives, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry. ”

        Obama hated Netanyahu’s guts before July. I bet the hatred runs even deeper now.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 10:57 pm

        seafood, this is an even bigger and humiliating defeat than in 2006. Netanyahu’s stated objectives that changed as the war progressed over time:

        1. Stop the missiles: He failed
        2. Destroy the tunnels: He failed.
        3: Disarm Hamas: He failed.

        That’s 3 strikes.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 11:00 pm

        Sorry seafoid, the i is right next to the o on the keyboard and with no edit button, I come out with a boner.

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2014, 11:25 pm

        Yom Kippur this year in Israel. That ought to be good.

      • Kay24
        August 28, 2014, 9:58 am

        Yes, especially after the “do not second guess me again when it comes to Hamas” insult.

        I really don’t know why Obama has to take the insults, and why the spineless congress keeps showing Israel it is okay to do so. Maybe standing up so many times whenever the butcher Bibi speaks in the US Congress has messed up their brains. Sheesh.

      • amigo
        August 26, 2014, 6:00 pm

        mdm , apologies , I should have been more precise.

        I meant casualties minus fatalities.Those don,t seem to be available in my searches.

        I wondered if Israel was/is keeping a lid on that info.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 11:22 pm

        amigo, at the Hamas press conference to announce the agreement and the cease-fire, the spokesman began by saying that 2 Israeli soldiers had just been killed, minutes before the cease-fire was to take effect.

      • Shingo
        August 28, 2014, 7:24 am

        the spokesman began by saying that 2 Israeli soldiers had just been killed, minutes before the cease-fire was to take effect.

        Is this reported anywhere else Walid?

      • peeesss
        August 27, 2014, 3:38 am

        Walid, You are right . Netanyahu failed in some stated objectives. What he did succeed in , however, was the blood lust he and many other fanatic Zionist, political leaders and , Rabbi’s demanded . The blood of as many Palestinian men, women and children as possible. The almost total destruction of Gaza, its homes, businesses, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, farmland. Thousands of children, over 500 dead, murdered, and thousands maimed for life, amputees, blinded, brain damage. let alone the psychological trauma they may never recover from. As people have noted, many of Jewish background , including Max Blumenthal, Norman Finklestein, Noam Chomsky, IIan Pappe, the racist lunacy of the State of Israel has never been higher than it is today. Netanyahu’s objective of shedding Palestinian blood to satisfy himself and the vast majority of the Jewish citizens of Israel succeeded. He can claim he even exceeded Olmhert and Livni in the previous massacres of Gaza.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 27, 2014, 8:40 am

        It’s very hard to get an idea of the number of non-fatal casualties in Israel.

        This is because Israel either exaggerates when it suits them – claiming that someone suffering from ‘shock’ or from a fall in the rush to the bomb shelter is ‘injured – or plays them down in an attempt to portray their army as less pathetic than it is. I have read – sorry no source – that five hundred IDF soldiers were injured, many of them seriously. and permanently No way to confirm it though.

      • amigo
        August 27, 2014, 11:04 am

        It’s very hard to get an idea of the number of non-fatal casualties in Israel. -mdm

        thanks for the response and to Walid.

  14. Kay24
    August 26, 2014, 4:28 pm

    According to Peter Beinert, this is the same cease fire that was agreed to the last time.
    Apart from easing (not removing) the blockade, it seems it is the same old situation.
    I guess none of us here honestly has the faith that the long term talks supposed to take place later on, will bring any positive result. The moment an opportunity comes, the blockade will be on again, and when rockets start raining in protest, there will be yet another mowing of the Gazan lawn even deadlier than this time by Israel. The US will make sure Israel is prepared to “defend” itself yet again with our weapons. I guess by then Israel would have stolen more lands too.
    Sigh.

    • Justpassingby
      August 26, 2014, 4:31 pm

      Kay24

      +1
      You are so right!
      That some people here believe Israel want peace is unbeliveable.

      • Mary T
        August 26, 2014, 6:15 pm

        I have not noticed anyone here expressing the belief that Israel wants peace. To what comment are you referring?

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 10:47 pm

        4 million Israelis in bomb shelters is no joke. Missiles on TA and B-G aren’t either. The Sayyid must be grinning from ear to ear now and thinking to himself “I told you so”. A couple of weeks into the war, people asked if Hizbullah was going to jump in to help Gaza. He smiled and said “No, Gaza doesn’t need any help as it’s doing fine without anyone’s help and it will definitely win this war.”

        As usual, he was right.

      • peeesss
        August 27, 2014, 2:33 am

        Kay24/JPB. Agreed .

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 26, 2014, 4:42 pm

      Yes, it does seem very similar to the lousy 2O12 deal, which is not good. Certainly not the great victory Hamas are touting, though like I’ve said, the mere fact that they were not wiped out means this is a strategic defeat for Israel.

      I’m not sure Israeli leaders will be too keen on ‘mowing the lawn’ next summer. This wasn’t quite the nice summer Sderot Cinema special they were hoping for.

      • seafoid
        August 26, 2014, 5:32 pm

        The difference this time is the economic damage done to Israel. 51 days was twice as long as the previous lawnmowing episodes.
        And the South of Israel was into bomb shelters very frequently
        IDF had a very bad war.

        If Israel breaks the terms the rockets will probably come out again.

        MJR has a good analysis
        http://mjrosenberg.net/2014/08/26/the-hamas-victory/

        Israel puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose

      • Gene Shae
        August 26, 2014, 6:19 pm

        Seafoid, it seems that you are more happy about damage to Israel than you are about benefits to Arabs. That is one telling way yo,understand what motivates you and,others with your proclivities.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 26, 2014, 6:35 pm

        “it seems that you are more happy about damage to Israel than you are about benefits to Arabs.”

        actually that tells us lots about you and nothing about seafoid.

        “you and,others with your proclivities.”?

        for all you know seafoid is arab. and you would know otherwise how?

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2014, 11:30 pm

        “That is one telling way yo,understand what motivates you and,others with your proclivities.”

        Oh look, the Purity Squad is here.

      • seafoid
        August 27, 2014, 12:39 am

        Gene

        It’s the economy, stupid. Zionism is going to fall over the economy. Yossi Israeli likes lawnmowing but if his back is to the wall he prefers shopping.

      • Kay24
        August 26, 2014, 6:44 pm

        Yes indeed Bibi did lose this war in many ways, including the PR war. They also lost millions to a decline in tourism, more calls for BDS, and even a group of Holocaust survivors condemned Israel and called for BDS. Bibi is also down in the polls in Israel, it seems his people are not happy with the way he handled the war. I suspect they wanted more blood.

        The funny thing is, even Iran is now looking better than Israel.

      • just
        August 26, 2014, 11:01 pm

        “The funny thing is, even Iran is now looking better than Israel.”

        They have for a long time.

        Who has Iran attacked and occupied and stolen from? Who has Israel attacked and occupied and stolen from?

        Who has defied international law ad nauseum? Who acts in terrible ways toward other folks with impunity?

      • Philemon
        August 27, 2014, 9:02 pm

        Iran should look better. Even aside from Iran having a moral objection to nuclear warheads, which everyone should, they grow the best pistachios! Oh, how I miss them.

      • gracie fr
        August 27, 2014, 9:04 am

        By Sunday night, Palestinian officials were denouncing the bombardment of Shujaiya as a “massacre” while international pressure mounted on the Israeli government to explain the heavy casualty toll being inflicted on Gaza civilians. The IDF told the press that Shujaiya had been a “fortress for Hamas terrorists” and reiterated that while Israel had “warned civilians” to evacuate, “Hamas ordered them to stay. Hamas put them in the line of fire.” The only possible reason for doing that is to kill a lot of people in as short a period of time as possible. … It’s not mowing the lawn, it’s removing the topsoil,” said a senior US official
        Kerry’s hot-microphone comments reflect the shock among U.S. observers at the scale and lethality of the Israeli bombardment.
        http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/26/israel-bombing-stunsusofficers.html

      • ritzl
        August 27, 2014, 6:02 pm

        That’s an excellent article, gracie. Thsnks. By Mark Perry. He cites US military saying Shujaiya was a predictable and therefore intentional slaughter.

        I hope his sources are willing to testify at the ICC.

      • ritzl
        August 27, 2014, 6:04 pm

        Edit: “intentional” was my inference, not Perry’s sources.

    • just
      August 26, 2014, 6:40 pm

      Perhaps this might make some ‘feel’ better:

      “Israel lost the war in Gaza but the struggle for justice goes on

      … Battle for justice goes on

      Refaat Alareer, the Gaza writer and educator who lost his brother in the Israeli attack, also sees today’s agreement as “a symbolic win over a barbaric colonial power – one step for Gaza and a giant leap for Palestine.

      Alareer adds:

      It is a victory because Gaza did not kneel, because Gaza proved Israel can be deterred and isolated, because Gaza exposed the hideous face of apartheid Israel and that of the US that never stopped sending weapons to Israel, and because more and more people are now uniting all over the world and are more determined to end this injustice by all effective means.

      This is a victory because it united Palestinians and pro-Palestinians from all over the world to fight for Palestine. It’s a victory because the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) campaign is now more powerful and more effective.

      It is a victory because a lot more people have decided to engage in the active support of Palestine, by being part of BDS, rather than only sending prayers and good wishes.

      Alareer reminds us that as Palestinians in Gaza begin – hopefully – the arduous road to physical, emotional and mental recovery from the unspeakable horrors Israel has inflicted, the work of justice cannot take a break.

      He reminds us too that Israel could not perpetrate such hideous atrocities without the support and complicity of so many governments, companies and other institutions around the world. The struggle to maintain Israeli occupation and racism is global, which is why the struggle to defeat them – especially BDS – must be global too.

      A ceasefire is not enough. Rebuilding Gaza is not enough. Even ending the siege would not be enough. It would only be the start.

      We have to say never again. Never again must Israel be allowed to massacre Palestinians as it has in Gaza in 2006, 2008-2009, 2012 and 2014 – the years since it decided to turn Gaza into a giant open-air prison.

      It is crucial to understand that such violence is the price of a “Jewish state” in Palestine.

      The only way to stop the massacres is to escalate our work for justice.

      An end to Israeli apartheid and colonization and the founding of a country for all its people – where refugees, no longer excluded by racist laws, return to their land – is the only monument worth building for so many people whose lives were violently stolen.”

      http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lost-war-gaza-struggle-justice-goes

      (some happy pictures @ the link)

      • Mary T
        August 26, 2014, 8:36 pm

        Wow! Powerful stuff, and exactly the way I see it.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 10:34 pm

        Now after this victory, what the Palestinian really need are new leaders. It’s time to replace the old guard at both Fatah and Hamas. Abbas, Ashraoui, Haniya, Meshaal, all of them must make room for young blood.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 10:36 pm

        … and especially Erekat that hasn’t negotiated a single thing since 20 years.

    • Taxi
      August 28, 2014, 1:00 am

      Kay,

      Why the heck would anyone listen to Beinert when they can get it from the horse’s mouth, ie hamas or islamic jihad spokespeople? And what they’re saying is the following (translated): “Netanyahu has agreed to lift the siege in stages, the details will be worked out in the coming month – the price of failure to comply for israel is more resistance, more rockets”.

      Looks to me that israel has no other choice but to either lift the blockade and live in a state of cold war with Gaza. Or israel can expand the conflict to include hizbollah and the Golan resistance simultaneously. All options include rocket/missile fire hitting tel aviv. Why else do you think Netanyahu UNILATERALLY and without consulting his cabinet agreed to lift the seige? He knows israel will not succeed in it’s military mission to achieve any of its military ‘objectives’ under Protective Edge, or Protective Hedge as I like to call it. The main problem here is the zionists’ delusion of power – which is actually their problem and not ours – watch that delusion disintegrate something ugly in the next couple of months. Netanyahu is a step ahead of them in realism as he was forced by ‘facts on the ground’ to step out of the delusion of grandeur zone and do the only thing that would stop the rockets falling on illegal settlements and on tel aviv: agree to lift the seige – which is also costing israel hugely in PR currency.

      Whoever fails to see that israel’s loss of deterrence marks a brand new chapter in the liberation of Palestine is buying too much tepid msm/Beinhert POV – or is suffering from acute and blinding cynicism.

      The Palestinains haven’t won the war yet, but the israelis sure as heck have lost this battle round – for reasons that Walid above has listed – and THAT is a victory for Palestine.

      The people of Gaza have endured a 50 day violent attack on them and survived, nay emerged from the rubble with even more determination to achieve their freedom. 28 days out of those 50 days, Gazans were fasting while their nerves rattled – they endured under this immense hardship that few of us here can even imagine. The least that people who claim to support Palestinian liberation can do is cheer on their resilient spirits and achievements.

      It’s a brand new equation for Palestine today, people – get in the zone already and stop moaning about israel breaking promises and deals – there are serious punitive measures that the Palestinian resistance can now take if/when israel reneges on deals from here on – and the resistance’s rockets can only get bigger and deadlier. These are facts that from here on need to be included when configuring any analysis.

      C’mon now give three cheers for Palestine!

  15. Citizen
    August 26, 2014, 5:07 pm

    Hard to believe Israel will allow a tad opening of the blockade for more than a few weeks, maybe up to couple of months–then will follow a pretext to shut it down again completely. Will the slight opening even last thru next month’s planned talks of opening Gaza up more?

    • Walid
      August 26, 2014, 10:21 pm

      Citizen, you can assume that as soon as the agreement was reached, the resistance in Gaza going the Hizbullah rule book they have been operating under, to produce more and more efficient missiles for the next war. By the time Israel decides to pull one of its tricks, Gaza will be ready for it. Israel is now sandwiched between Hizbullah and Hamas. The one it has to really worry about now is the PA that appears will be given control of Rafah and other crossings from the Palestinian side.

      • Walid
        August 26, 2014, 10:25 pm

        RoHa will have to be a bit tolerant of our English until we get back the edit function.

      • Gene Shae
        August 26, 2014, 10:57 pm

        Your sense of reality is compromised. Israel,will not allow Hamas to re-arm.
        By the way, resistance does not have to mean violence, right?
        Perhaps the resistors can even compromise. This is not a zero sum game

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 27, 2014, 11:34 am

        @Gene

        How, exactly, can Israel not ‘allow’ Hamas to rearm? I thought the years old blockade was designed to do just that, but it hasn’t gone so well, has it? It’s hard to see how Israel can make the blockade any tighter without reoccupying the strip, and we all know they haven’t got the courage to do that. So Hamas will re-arm, for sure, and hopefully with better and more accurate weaponry.

        And don’t you love when Isralists lecture about ‘non-violence’? I take it you must be a big fan of BDS and the other non-violent tactics adopted by the resistance over the years? Or will you, like most Israelists, find a reason to oppose that too?

      • Taxi
        August 28, 2014, 1:29 am

        Gene,

        How the heck is israel gonna stop the Palestinian resistance from re-arming? LOL do tell! The dumb israeli military STILL have ZERO intelligence on the resistance’s arms depos and factories inside the tiny area of Gaza – the israelis didn’t even know that tunnels under israel existed for eff’s sakes!

        It appears to me that you’re the one whose sense of “reality” has been “compromised” by too much zio media brainwashing. Think man, think! What can the idf do to the resistance except massacre its unarmed women and children – which is highly counter-productive and ineffective, as Protective Hedge just proved?! All the barbaric violence meted out by isreal is resulting in more world sympathy for Palestinians and more israeali crimes against humanity to be faced soon at the Hague.

        You’ve been snookered high and dry – face it.

        Recognize that the Palestinian resistance has won Protective Edge’s STRATEGIC battle. Netanyahu did, was forced to – so eventually, hopefully, you and others will too.

      • Shingo
        August 28, 2014, 7:31 am

        Israel,will not allow Hamas to re-arm.

        It’s your sense of reality is compromised, nay off the charts.

        Israel cannot do a thing about Hamas rearming.

      • HarryLaw
        August 27, 2014, 9:45 am

        Walid @ “to produce more and more efficient missiles for the next war” couldn’t agree more. Of the over 3,500 missiles fired on Israel most have blown up the desert, one or two have caused some damage in villages and towns near the Gaza strip. In fact I am convinced anyone listening to those Israeli air raid sirens would say they caused more psychological damage than the actual bottle rockets. In my opinion the Israeli state can afford the inconvenience of these short range rockets. Put it this way if British bomber command had sent over 3,500 aircraft to bomb German cities, and they dropped all their bombs into the North Sea, heads would roll, in fact the UK government would not survive such an operational blunder. The aim of the rockets was to cause economic damage to Israel, one of the best ways was to target the hub of Israeli commerce and tourism Ben Gurion Airport, they utterly failed to put a single rocket on the 15 square kilometer complex. Not for want of trying, in order to hit a target nearly 50 kilometers away one has to use rockets with more than a 10 kilometer range. If you do not posses them, the resistance have to launch them from within the Tel Aviv metropolitan area. Because of the simple design and ease of production such a tactical scenario is well within the resistance capabilities. It’s not rocket science.

      • Shingo
        August 28, 2014, 7:35 am

        In fact I am convinced anyone listening to those Israeli air raid sirens would say they caused more psychological damage than the actual bottle rockets.

        It’s done more than that, it screwed with the economy, especially tourism. What Hamas need are missiles than can strike predictably at the airports, as well as IDF aircraft runways, also oil refineries, power stations etc. A few days of darkness and lack of oil at gas stations will really bring reality home to Israel.

      • amigo
        August 27, 2014, 10:58 am

        “The one it has to really worry about now is the PA that appears will be given control of Rafah and other crossings from the Palestinian side. -“Walid

        So , the PA will be Israel,s next Khamas.

      • just
        August 27, 2014, 11:10 am

        Interesting you should say that, amigo.

        “In response to discovering an Israeli drone flying over its nuclear facilities, Iran said it will arm Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, an Iranian military official said.

        “Tehran will accelerate arming Palestinians in the occupied West Bank in retaliation for Israel deploying the spy drone over Iran,” General Amir-Ali Hajizadeh, commander of aerial forces of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards, said in a statement on its official website.

        “We reserve the right to give any response,” he added.”

        https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13724-iran-says-it-will-arm-palestinians-after-israeli-spy-drone-downed

  16. globalconsciousness
    August 26, 2014, 9:37 pm

    If Israel claims any sort of victory, it is a phyrric one indeed, given that one of their key aims was to defeat Hamas, which is still left standing.
    And then, it is a phyrric one for the Palestinians when one thinks of the terrible cost to lives, of all the permanently disabled and over 11,000 injured…
    That is what is sad but one has to hope against hope that something will break over this latest conflict in the Palestinians’ favor and that Palestinians will know freedom without Israel being their lord and master… now the real work of activism, BDS and advocacy has to escalate…

    • Bumblebye
      August 27, 2014, 6:26 pm

      Ha! Just heard Netanyahoo proclaiming victory on the main evening (radio) news!
      None of their aims realised, but somehow he calls victory?! Promising an even more ‘vigorous’ response ‘next time’. So he’s already planning to ‘mow the lawn’ again at some unspecified future date. Big HE man. Smell that rank testosterone, people!

  17. just
    August 26, 2014, 9:58 pm

    ” Yousef Munayyer ‏@YousefMunayyer

    Netanyahu 24hrs ago: Hamas is ISIS!

    Netanyahu today: I agreed to a negotiated deal with Hamas”

    https://twitter.com/YousefMunayyer/status/504410480195407872

    • Kay24
      August 27, 2014, 8:41 am

      Great point. Bibi did say they were just like ISIS, and now he negotiated with them.

      OMgosh, this man speaks from of both sides of his warmongering mouth.

      The US zio media, did not mention this. Only Yousef Munayyer had the courage to say so.

  18. Walid
    August 26, 2014, 10:08 pm

    “… news outlets reporting that the agreement includes an easing of the blockade and halting of attacks by both sides…” (Alex)

    Not really, Israel had been offering these bogus carrots via various “Egyptian Proposals” since the war started and Gaza was categorically refusing them insisting on a TOTAL LIFTING of the land, sea and air blockade.

    It stands to reason that Gaza’s declaration of victory is not due to some “easing” but to having succeeded in getting the siege lifted. What remains to be ironed out are the technical details behind the gradual lifting that is to take place over time to allow for a bit of face-saving for Israel after its crushing defeat.

    The real encouraging news coming out of Gaza’s leadership is that despite having succeeded in getting the siege lifted (over time) and the fishing limit extended to 6 nautical miles, They are still very intent on going ahead with the ICC charges against Israel for war crimes. Most Palestinians echoed these intentions, except for President Abbas. I suspect that in the final agreement, Gaza will abandon its ICC quest in exchange for a quicker Israeli lifting of the siege. Its a given that Israel will be releasing hundreds of prisoners in exchange of the corpses of the 2 dead soldiers.

    • seafoid
      August 27, 2014, 1:59 am

      Walid

      I wonder what sort of pressure was put on Netanyahu from outside. Obama hates him already but the war was a disaster for the Jewish diaspora, very bad for the Israeli economy and very very bad for hasbara. They could kill as many as they wanted but they couldn’t manage the repercussions.
      Netanyahu is a complete spoofer.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 27, 2014, 11:38 am

      Walid,

      I’d love to share your optimism but I suspect that while Israel will make a big show of ‘easing’ the blockade, within months or even weeks it will find some pretext – rockets fired at Sderot or whatever – to reimpose a full siege again.

      BTW given that Egypt is almost as crucial a player as Israel in the siege, I often wonder how reliable they are. Surely some Egyptian border guards must be sympathetic to the Palestinians? I know the upper ranks of the military detest Palestinians, but that can’t be the case for the average grunts who earn a few hundred quid a month, can it? How difficult would it be to bribe these guys to let the odd shipment of contraband pass through Rafah?

  19. Gene Shae
    August 26, 2014, 10:53 pm

    “In Gaza City, a 20-year-old woman was killed and several dozen people were wounded by celebratory gunfire after the truce was announced.”

    And what else do we need to know?

    • just
      August 27, 2014, 8:50 am

      Terrible. Awful news.

      “And what else do we need to know?”

      your point?

  20. jon s
    August 27, 2014, 12:33 am

    In Israel the mood is, indeed, somber. We payed a terrible price, with 70 killed, injuries and economic damage. We love life and celebrate life, so we are mourning our dead, and we’re also sorry for the civilian deaths in Gaza, caused by Hamas.
    Hamas celebrate death, so they’re celebrating.

    • just
      August 27, 2014, 8:43 am

      “and we’re also sorry for the civilian deaths in Gaza, caused by Hamas.
      Hamas celebrate death, so they’re celebrating.”

      jon s– the world knows that is a outright lie. You’re going to have to move forward now, and stop the hasbara.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 27, 2014, 11:16 am

      It’s not working anymore, Jon.

      It really, really isn’t working.

      Your weeks of concern trolling have been as big a flop as your overrated army. Admit that nobody in Israel gives a toss about Palestinian deaths, and that they never have. At least that way we can respect your honesty, if nothing else. Decades old reheated hasbara is just another reason to mock you.

      • jon s
        August 27, 2014, 4:05 pm

        You can call “hasbara” or trolling .
        I call it “the truth”.

    • globalconsciousness
      August 27, 2014, 12:05 pm

      @jon

      Au contraire, The Palestinians Teach Life, Sir; You and your ilk, on the other hand, teach hatred and are racist to the core.

    • Philemon
      August 27, 2014, 9:27 pm

      Sweetheart, jon, darlin’, puddin’ head, you are complaining about 70 killed, many of whom were the soldiers inflicting damages to the Palestinians in Gaza, some injuries, and some “economic” damage. (What? The tourist season is over?)

      The “terrible price” was paid by the Palestinians in Gaza. Two thousand dead. Many thousands severely injured with very little medical treatment available. Half a million were displaced from their homes. Homes destroyed. Entire families were killed. No running water, no sewage, no electricity for over a month. Thousand killed and injured, no safe place, even hospitals.

      God almighty, man, if you have the least vestige of a conscience, look at yourself in the mirror and think what you are condoning. Who did the real damage? Not Hamas. The IDF celebrate and are responsible for all that death you decry.

      Who bombed whom with devastating effect?

    • Citizen
      August 28, 2014, 5:17 am

      @ jon s
      I Israel “paid a terrible price,” what kind of price did the Palestinians pay?

    • eljay
      August 28, 2014, 9:50 am

      >> jon seee: … We love life and celebrate life, so we are mourning our dead, and we’re also sorry for the civilian deaths in Gaza, caused by Hamas.

      Like a typical Zio-supremacist, you absolve the oppressor – who, for ove 60 years, has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians – and blame the oppressed.

      >> Hamas celebrate death, so they’re celebrating.

      You also celebrate Jewish supremacism and an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”. And, so, you celebrate.

  21. oldgeezer
    August 27, 2014, 1:25 am

    What will be the final body count. That’s not a question as no one knows the answer yet. The saddest part is whatever the body count is, the measure of success is that we are where we were 4 years ago.

    Hamas are so far from being good it’s not funny, but regardless, did that many people need to die in order for Israel to say we will agree to what we agreed to before. It’s not remotely debatable by any sane judgement that Israel started this latest round.

    While the left is reviled what does it take to make Israelis understand that suppressing rights of other people is the lowest of the low. Once that’s done the concentration can be on addressing the issues within a group.

    This was pure evil perpetrate on a grand scale.

    • Taxi
      August 28, 2014, 1:49 am

      Oldgeezer,

      “Hamas are so far from being good. ”

      Why do you say that? What do you think they’ve done that is no “good”?

      It’s not a confrontational question, I’m just interested in why people repeat this zionist meme.

      There are some 16 different resistance groups operating out of Gaza. All of them participated in confronting the idf. All of them are seen by their own people as their ONLY reliable protectors and defenders. ALL of them are referred to by Palestinians as the ‘Mukawama’. Mukawama is Arabic for The Resistance.

  22. W.Jones
    August 27, 2014, 2:00 am

    His poll numbers have already dropped in recent days from 82 percent to 38 percent.

    Israelis are that mad at him for making a ceasefire?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 27, 2014, 11:43 am

      I don’t think it’s that, exactly.

      Israelis, on the whole – despite what we’re told about the sophistication of ‘start up nation’ – appear to be very brainwashed and simplistic, at least when it comes to Arabs. They seem to have genuinely believed that ‘hitting Hamas hard’ – ie killing hundreds of kids – would ‘stop the rockets’. And when that didn’t work, just hit them harder, because that would be SURE to work. Even though there is so much evidence showing that there is no military solution to this mess, and that Israel, despite overwhelming military superiority, hasn’t won a war for 4O years.

      So ”Yossi Israeli’ was genuinely perplexed when, nearly 2 months on, the rockets kept falling. And the fact that 64 of their precious soldiers were killed had to hurt too. Israelis seem to have swallowed the myth of IDF brilliance, and when the facts show that to be false, they don’t reevaulate their preconceptions, but blame whoever is in charge. Not that they don’t deserve blame, of course, but the problems are much, much deeper than this or that leader. The problem is Israel itself.

      • jon s
        August 27, 2014, 4:17 pm

        There’s a lot of criticism in Israel of the IDF’s restraint, that there should have been more “gloves off”, less Mister Nice Guy,

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 27, 2014, 5:19 pm

        If this is true, it shows how totally and completely brainwashed and divorced from reality Israeli society is. So 5OO dead kids aren’t enough for them?

        Israelis just don’t get it. Violence is not always the answer. But when that’s all you’ve got, and all you’ve ever had, it doesn’t leave you with too many options, does it?

      • jon s
        August 28, 2014, 12:38 am

        The huge number of civilian casualties, including children , was mainly caused , deliberately , by Hamas. That’s their strategy.

      • just
        August 27, 2014, 5:38 pm

        “Yousef Munayyer @YousefMunayyer · 1m

        WOW —> Only 29% of Israelis think Israel won the war, 60% think it did not! (HEB) http://www.mako.co.il/news-military/politics/Article-4681943e1681841004.htm …”

        https://twitter.com/YousefMunayyer

      • W.Jones
        August 28, 2014, 12:53 pm

        Israelis got a ceasefire, have hardly ever lost casualties from the rockets they alleged they were trying to stop, and had a “war” casualty ratio of 1 : 32, all in the space of a few months. I am confused how they consider that to be a defeat.

      • W.Jones
        August 28, 2014, 12:49 pm

        Jon S,

        OK, so explain this more to me. Let’s say the IDF stops being Mister Nice Guy. How are they going to know where all the Hamas tunnels and storage places are? How are they going to know where all the ten thousand or more Hamas are? How are they going to stop every person out of 1.5 million in Gaza from being able to shoot primitive tube rockets?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2014, 2:19 pm

        jon, re your mr nice guy comment, israel can’t afford it. the intrest rates just got drop to practically zero, exports down 18% in thelast quarter, and there’s no way militarily to dislodge hamas because israel has no intel. so all they can do is lash out at the civilian population (and contrary to your ridiculous hasbara taking pt no sane person in this world is going to believe hamas “deliberately” killed those people or is responsible for the zio-slaughtering fest perpetrated by occupation army).

        israel started a war it could not stop and the israeli military, cowards that they are, were not willing to expend the lives it would take to actually find where hamas keeps their weapons stash because it requires intel and a ground operation to go find them. which means..dead israeli soldiers.

        and after loosing 60 guys they got chicken little feet, just not willing to die for it. all this huffing and puffing and threats to blow the house down, their only option short of loosing more soldiers (not brave like palestinians) is a full on air campaign, make a desert genocide type fight – with the whole world watching! so the ‘restraint’ by isreal, was not a restraint on massacring civilians, it was the restraint, after getting their feet wet, to risk the personnel is would take to eradicate their enemy. all they have is weapons and bombs, the army doesn’t have heroes. it doesn’t take heroics to slaughter civilians, which is what israel specializes in, the unarmed enemy.

        israel went into this in a pickle (NO INTEL) http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-in-pickle.html and is jumping out with their head between their knees because they had no other option besides….genocide.

      • W.Jones
        August 28, 2014, 12:36 pm

        Marc, what you are saying is leaking into my brain. It’s hard to understand why they are upset with their leadership about the largescale bombing and now ceasefire from their rightwing viewpoint, but perhaps the Israeli mindset is radically different from what many American lefties are familiar with.

        Their goal was, naturally, to stop the rockets. Wasn’t that goal achieved by the ceasefire?

        Now perhaps their goal was to stop even the ability to shoot rockets at all. But how did they think that they could they stop each of a million Hamas people from being able to shoot a practically homemade rocket?

        Granted, with satellites, couldn’t they see where the primitive rockets are being launched from and then target it enough times to minimize rocket fire? Or was rocket fire still serious despite doing that, because Hamas would fire and return to their tunnels too quickly? And if that’s really the case, then what did they expect their leadership to do?

        They could level Gaza and its tunnels even more and make 10-100 times as many casualties, including among Hamas, but would that really stop every person’s’ ability to fire rockets? I am having trouble seeing how Israelis expected to achieve a goal that went beyond a ceasefire.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2014, 2:33 pm

        I am confused how they consider that to be a defeat. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/ceasefire-promises-blockade.html/comment-page-1#comment-706193

        wjones, Netanyahu’s goal was not merely to stop the rockets. don’t forget he started this thing and completely freaked out over the unity agreement, the goal was to eradicate hamas/sever their authority, place the PA in charge … which he completely failed to do. hamas is strengthened, the opposite of his desired effect. and the original ceasefire agreement israel wanted was to completely neuter/disarm hamas.

        they failed in their objectives and likely knew when they went in to this thing they were going in blind.

        dismantle Hamas’s control of the strip). To do that it must locate Hamas’ weapons arsenal and thus far, it appears it is clueless as to where they are. Israel doesn’t know the extent of weaponry Hamas has amassed, either in quality or quantity. All the blowing up of civilian infrastructure, including homes and hospitals, won’t end the rocket fire because it’s extremely unlikely any central stash of weaponry is stored in homes, schools, hospitals or mosques. The weapons are probably underground which is why it requires a ground invasion to find them. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-in-pickle.html#sthash.BUPW95JA.dpuf

        (and see my comment to jon above)

        “Wasn’t that goal achieved by the ceasefire? ”
        it’s a temporary ceasefire. there’s no way to guarantee, if palestine doesn’t get the siege lifted, that the rockets won’t start up again. israel got no concessions and won nothing. that’s why palestinians were dancing in the streets and israelis are grinding their teeth.

  23. seafoid
    August 27, 2014, 2:00 am

    and it’s the end of the notion that Gaza is sui generis and not part of the Palestinian nation . Sharon’s disengagement lies in ruins

    • jon s
      August 30, 2014, 1:22 pm

      Annie, You may have a good point in saying that “no sane person” is going to believe that Hamas deliberately caused those deaths. It really is very difficult for sane, rational, fair-minded people to accept that that was Hamas strategy: trying to kill Jews, while at the same time causing as many civilian casualties as possible among their own people. There may not be any historical precedents for such an evil strategy . Who ever heard of a situation where the “authorities” deliberately create conditions which cause death and destruction among their own people ? (The Khmer Rouge?)

      • Annie Robbins
        August 30, 2014, 1:55 pm

        It really is very difficult for sane, rational, fair-minded people to accept that that was Hamas strategy: trying to kill Jews, while at the same time causing as many civilian casualties as possible among their own people.

        so why do you believe it? repeatedly palestinians have written that they support the resistance. repeatedly they have written that gaza is a slow death anyway.we have our own saying, give me liberty or give me death. just because israel slaughters innocents while hasbrats the world over pump the lie they are avoiding civilian death, against aLL evidence, doesn’t mean hamas’ intention is to have their people slaughtered. why clearly, if that was their intent, they would not have agreed to a ceasefire. i think it’s you who can’t accept that the policy of mowing the grass is built in to their demographics strategy which israel’s been handwringing about since day one.

        repeating constantly hamas is responsible for the death of their people…is not really that different than blaming jews for the holocaust. it’s repulsive jon. i’m not sure how much of it we’re going to continue publishing. free speech has it’s limits on mondowiess.

      • just
        August 30, 2014, 2:11 pm

        Thanks Annie. The IOF killed their own with their Hannibal Directive– now THAT is rotten and criminal — especially since they slaughtered Palestinians, too. There is evidence of that…

        “In one of the most decisive, shocking incidents of a brutal war, NRG reports (Hebrew) that the IDF killed three of its own soldiers after it feared they’d been captured by Hamas fighters. The incident was one in which Lt. Goldin was captured (possibly after he’d already been killed) and two of his comrades were killed. ….”

        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/

      • hophmi
        August 31, 2014, 8:44 am

        “so why do you believe it?”

        Because it’s plainly obvious that this is Hamas’s strategy. Civilian death gains Hamas media attention and sympathy that they are otherwise denied. And it’s not hate speech to say so. There are historical precedents for this, but there’s no question that it’s an enticing strategy in this media environment.

      • Shmuel
        August 31, 2014, 9:19 am

        Civilian death gains Hamas media attention and sympathy that they are otherwise denied.

        Does it work the other way too? Nothing like sirens and rockets and funerals and pictures of children in football shirts to re-establish Israel’s victim status, no? I’m not denying the cynicism, just spreading it around a little. And international sympathy is not the only purposes served by death and dying (and glorious resistance). How nice for such leaders that their counterparts never disappoint them.

      • hophmi
        August 31, 2014, 8:29 pm

        Well, Shmuel, no, because according to people here. Israel already gets lots of attention. And no, I don’t think the media focused very much on the sirens and rockets, certainly not internationally. They were much more concerned with comparative casualty counts, as if the rockets were benign.

      • Shmuel
        September 1, 2014, 4:07 am

        Well, Shmuel, no, because according to people here. Israel already gets lots of attention.

        What matters of course is not what “people here” think, but what those who determine Israeli policy think, and they don’t seem very satisfied with Israel’s international image of late. Nothing like a good (and well-spun) war to change that.

        And lets not forget domestic concerns such as a popular desire for revenge and Netanyahu’s fears of being outflanked from the right.

        The gambit seems to have been at least partially successful on both fronts (not the Gaza front of course, but that was never the real target anyway): domestic and international (despite what “people here” may say).

  24. just
    August 27, 2014, 7:47 am

    “In the 50-day Gaza war, the two sides have swallowed frogs, but for Israel the experience has been more stomach-turning. Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu will now make a huge effort to portray the outcome as a success. If he believes himself, he will be one of the very few. Quiet will not be exchanged for quiet, but for a lie.

    What Netanyahu and his colleagues have brought down on Israel, in a conflict between the region’s strongest army and an organization numbering 10,000, is not just a defeat. It’s a downfall.

    “Veni, vidi, vici,” Julius Caesar said. “Benny, Bibi, Bogie,” goes the Israeli version — military chief Benny Gantz, Bibi Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon. They came, they saw, they were defeated.

    Netanyahu must make an accounting for the agenda he tried to dictate in recent years, first with Ehud Barak as defense minister, and in the last year and a half without him. There was the Iran craze, which sucked up billions. If Bibi had budgeted for Gaza-area kibbutzim Nirim and Nahal Oz one one-hundredth of what he had budgeted for Iran’s Natanz nuclear plant, Israelis would have been safer. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.612641

    • jon s
      August 31, 2014, 1:39 am

      Annie,
      Are you serious? Are you threatening to ban me for writing about Hamas crimes?

      I’ve always endeavored to stay within the guidelines of the comments policy: no racism, no profanity, no Holocaust denial or Nakba denial, no 9/11 conspiracies… Are you adding “no mention of Hamas crimes”?
      Your analogy with Holocaust denial is especially repulsive ( borrowing your own term…): Holocaust denial is a lie; Hamas’ crimes are real and well documented. It’s sad if you can’t tell the difference .

      • jon s
        August 31, 2014, 1:45 am

        Just,
        I read the NRG report in Hebrew that Richard Silverstein links to and claims to quote.
        The NRG report says no such thing ( that the IDF killed three of it’s own soldiers when executing the Hannibal Directive).

  25. just
    August 27, 2014, 8:01 am

    ……..

    “The brilliant Palestinian analyst Mouin Rabbani wrote on his Facebook page on Tuesday, “When an army reaches the point of destroying apartment buildings as if it were a municipal engineer, it can no longer be considered a serious army.”

    Hamas grew stronger, despite Israeli propagandists’ pathetic attempts to deny this. And (decimated) Gaza also grew stronger: Its fate, at least for a time, will now preoccupy Israel and the world; had it not been for its rockets, nobody would have bothered with it.

    Gaza paid with much blood. Israel also bled, though less. But Israel’s debit sheet also includes a further decline in its international standing, and even worse, open wounds to its weakening democratic regime, which won’t heal quickly. Hamas has become a representative organization, even to Israel, and an exemplar of steadfast resistance, at least to its own people.
    ………

    Israel can win this war only by complying with its enemy’s just demands: truly opening Gaza to the world and beginning negotiations over the future of the occupied territories. No more “understandings” that will quickly bring the next “operation,” but a new approach to Gaza, Hamas and the entire Palestinian people. No more photo ops with Mahmoud Abbas, but serious negotiations aimed at making peace with the Palestinian unity government.

    It’s doubtful Netanyahu either can or wants to do this. But over the past 50 days, the Western and Arab worlds have both told him this is the only way; there is no other. Over the past 50 days, Gaza has told him Israel can no longer live eternally by the sword.

    Over the last 50 days, cemeteries filled with bodies and hospitals overflowed with wounded. Rubble piled up and hatred and fear overflowed their banks on both sides. But this cloud could yet have a silver lining: Perhaps Israel, for the first time in its history, will fundamentally change its approach.

    It sounds ridiculous now. But how is it possible to end this cursed war without at least envisioning hope? ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612639

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    August 27, 2014, 8:16 am

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  27. just
    August 27, 2014, 8:32 am

    As for Israeli war crimes, Max has a detailed and lengthy article in Alternet. Difficult reading, a portion here:

    “Gaza Residents Share Allegations of Abuse, Claim Israeli Soldiers Used Them as Human Shields
    Almost every family in Gaza has been touched by the violence.
    August 26, 2014 |

    Mahmoud Abu Said could hardly speak about what happened to him when the soldiers first arrived to his neighborhood. His eyes filled with tears, the muscles in his face began to twitch, and his voice faltered. As the baby-faced, 19-year-old resident of Rafah in Southern Gaza recounted how Israeli soldiers used him as a human shield, torturing and then kidnapping him, he collapsed into a plastic chair.

    “I feel so afraid,” he muttered. “It’s not normal. I feel weak and I’m not myself.”

    Mahmoud was among several residents of the Gaza Strip who provided me with testimony of being used as human shields by Israeli forces during their ground invasion in July. He is also among the young men from various locations around the besieged coastal territory who told me they were kidnapped by Israeli soldiers, taken to a prison in southern Israel, physically abused and interrogated about activity by armed resistance groups operating in Gaza.

    The Israeli military and its international corps of supporters have accused Hamas of exploiting residents of the Gaza Strip as human shields, hoping to deflect from the whopping toll of civilian casualties they caused. But interviews with Palestinians from Gaza’s border areas revealed the opposite to be true: Israel has repeatedly used defenseless civilians to shield themselves from potential guerrilla attacks, brutally abusing young men like Mahmoud Abu Said during their invasion of Gaza. The practice is not only a war crime that violates international human rights law, it was outlawed by the Israeli Supreme Court in 2005.

    As we stood on the porch of the ransacked home of Mahmoud’s family, a drone buzzed incessantly overhead while squadrons of F-16s roared by. The red tile roof above us had been punctured with gaping holes from Israeli shrapnel; the interior of the house had been trashed by the soldiers who transformed it into a shooting gallery; and the house next door was reduced to a pile of rubble. But nowhere was the damage exacted by Israeli forces more apparent than in Mahmoud’s bloodshot eyes and nearly catatonic expression.

    “Traumatized!” his friend exclaims. “He’s completely traumatized.”

    After a drink of water, Mahmoud managed to pull himself together. He recalled what happened when the soldiers arrived on July 14 during the first stage of Israel’s ground invasion of the Gaza Strip. The entire Abu Said family had gathered at his spacious home, including 30 cousins. When a platoon of Israeli troops appeared in the dirt road outside the house, the terror began.

    After ordering the family to evacuate the house under the shelling their army had just initiated, the soldiers called for Mahmoud’s father, Abdul Hadi El Said. As soon as he appeared at his doorstep, they shot him in the chest, leaving him to die. Miraculously, after bleeding for two hours, he managed to survive and seek medical help. The rest of the family fled west away from the oncoming troops; however, the soldiers grabbed Mahmoud and refused to allow him to leave.

    Mahmoud said the Israeli troops dragged him back into his house, blindfolded him and wrapped him in a blanket on the floor as they began to blow holes in the walls to use as makeshift sniper slits — what US troops in Afghanistan called “murder holes.” Then the soldiers stripped Mahmoud to his underwear, handcuffed him, slammed him against a wall and began to beat him. With an M-16 at his back, they forced him to stand in front of open windows as they hunted his fleeing neighbors, sniping directly beside him at virtually anything that moved. When they were not using him as a human shield, Mahmoud said, the soldiers left him alone in the room with an unleashed army dog who was periodically ordered to attack him…………..”

    http://www.alternet.org/gaza-residents-share-monstrous-allegations-abuse-israeli-soldiers?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

    (I apologize for not properly denoting my post @ 0757 as a portion of the article– missing the edit function!)

  28. bilal a
    August 27, 2014, 8:54 am

    This deal will be scuttled in the USA not in Israel, as with Iran:

    “There is a group of Jewish American billionaires who are apparently doing their best to make sure than negotiations with Iran go nowhere in the mistaken belief that they are doing what is best for Israel. And they would also appear to be assisted in their efforts by the White House, which is at the same time claiming that it wants the talks to be successful. The odd relationship is currently playing out in a Manhattan courtroom”
    http://www.unz.com/article/billionaires-make-war-on-iran/

  29. RobertB
    August 27, 2014, 12:09 pm

    Ministry of Health: “2145 Palestinians, Including 578 Children, Killed In Israel’s Aggression”

    August 27, 2014 by Saed Bannoura – t

    ” The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza issued a report stating that Israeli missiles and shells, fired against the Palestinian population of Gaza since July 8, led to the death of 2145 Palestinians, including 578 children, 263 women, and 102 elderly.”

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68969

  30. just
    August 27, 2014, 1:01 pm

    “GAZA – For the first time since 2007, a humanitarian convoy of the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) successfully crossed from Egypt into the Gaza Strip today, carrying enough food to feed around 150,000 people for five days.

    After a seven-hour drive from Alexandria – where the food was procured – across the Sinai Peninsula, WFP’s trucks arrived at the Rafah crossing. The convoy of 18 trucks carried 15,600 food parcels – part of a total batch of 25,000 food parcels. The parcels include ready-to-eat food such as canned meat, canned beans, tea and dates. A second convoy with the remaining parcels is expected to cross into Gaza in the next few days. This is the first time that WFP has used the Rafah crossing point since the start of the Gaza blockade in 2007. ”

    http://www.wfp.org/news/news-release/wfp-humanitarian-convoy-delivers-food-gaza-through-egypt%E2%80%99s-rafah-crossing

  31. Egbert
    August 27, 2014, 3:22 pm

    In spite of all they have suffered, the Palestinians maintain their sense of humor. Here is a video of their take on the recent Ice Bucket Challenge, a craze in which people are filmed having a bucket of ice water poured over their head

    • just
      August 28, 2014, 2:06 pm

      I love that guy, his message, and his request! Thanks Egbert.

      Here’s Assaf taking him up on his request.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2014, 5:56 pm

        i love this Egbert and just. i saw a photo this morning of a few guys lined up doing this and assumed it was in relation to the ice bucket, which i just heard about the other day for the first time.

        maybe i will try this!

  32. German Lefty
    August 27, 2014, 5:21 pm

    DER SPIEGEL has an English-language article about Israel:
    Factory and Lab: Israel’s War Business
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/defense-industry-the-business-of-war-in-israel-a-988245.html

  33. yonah fredman
    August 27, 2014, 8:10 pm

    People in gaza have taken to the street in celebration.

    Those following the commands of Hamas have taken to the street in celebration. The average Gazan knows that as of this moment (and until negotiations with israel yield something substantive), there is nothing to celebrate and the reporting of these celebrations without even a modicum of questioning is a sign of mediocre reporting (or propaganda reporting) by Alex Kane and MW.

    • just
      August 27, 2014, 8:45 pm

      so you are trying to tell MW what to report now?

      soothe yourself with Max Blumenthal’s latest storify:

      https://storify.com/MaxBlumenthal/hamas-and-qassam-victory-rallies-shujaiyah-zafer-t

      Rallies by the PEOPLE of Gaza.

      • yonah fredman
        August 27, 2014, 9:38 pm

        the max storify is precisely what i said, a hamas rally.

      • yonah fredman
        August 27, 2014, 9:39 pm

        and no, just, i am telling mw what to report if it does not wish to be seen as mediocre and propaganda. if it wishes to be seen as mediocre propaganda it should keep right on this path.

    • Inanna
      August 28, 2014, 6:21 am

      No yonah, it just shows your lack of understanding. If you can’t understand why people would be happy to have fought their oppressors to end part of how they are oppressed, then I suggest you get back into the line where God gives out brains. And then join the one where hearts are given out, ‘cos your compassion is infamously absent.

      • yonah fredman
        August 28, 2014, 5:39 pm

        inanna- Amira Hass would never write a line like that. The people in Gaza were not out in the street celebrating resistance. hamas supporters were out in the street celebrating resistance. Alex Kane and Max blumenthal are not independent journalists like Amira hass. they are starters who need to curry favor with hamas in order to gain entrance into Gaza and access to Hamas leaders. It is propaganda, which is not a function of brain nor heart, but an absence of truth.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2014, 5:50 pm

        oh, teaming up w/ hass now are you. if she’s said anything to back up your claims produce it.

        mediocre is parroting the memes of the israeli government which has repeatedly pushed the line palestinians are not united over what’s transpired in gaza

        The average Gazan knows that as of this moment…, there is nothing to celebrate

        do you have an iota of evidence to back up your claims or not? some source besides liberal zio talking heads. a palestinian source? because i am in touch with many gazans and i have not heard anything to support the idea gazans are not unified right now along with the rest of the palestinian people.

        and i don’t hear you harping after dan cohen who said essentially the same thing at the end of his article.

    • amigo
      August 29, 2014, 12:27 pm

      “Those following the commands of Hamas have taken to the street in celebration. -” yonah.

      And will those who don,t be shot.

      Are you suggesting Khamas would shoot their Human shields.

      Seems a bit of a stretch, even for you yonah.

      • jon s
        September 2, 2014, 10:43 am

        Annie, Seeing that those Hamas consider disloyal are summarily shot in the street, I would be surprised to hear of anyone there expressing a dissenting opinion.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 2, 2014, 2:46 pm

        by disloyal do you mean collaborators during a war? remember all the fragging in vietnam? i recall during the iraq war the nyt did some article on 4 US soldiers who, like tillman, had turned against the war. quoted them extensively. within a month 3 of them had coincidentally gotten killed. very suspicious.

        anyway, i heard that story referenced again the other day, but thus far i have not read one report by any journo on the ground having first hand knowledge of it. so any of those foreign journos could have written about it once they left the strip and they didn’t. suspicious.

  34. ckg
    August 27, 2014, 10:03 pm

    Given that Iron Dome was not deployed against all rockets and mortars originating from Gaza, how many if any Israeli deaths were due to failures of the Iron Dome system? This number, divided by the presumed failure rate of the system, can be used to extrapolate the expected number of Israeli deaths had there been no Iron Dome. I suspect it’s zero.

    • ckg
      August 27, 2014, 10:31 pm

      Benny Morris on 8/21 wrote in LAT:

      The 600-odd rockets that had accurately targeted towns and villages were almost all successfully intercepted by Iron Dome’s Tamir missiles — a nearly 90% rate, according to the Israel Defense Forces….The civilian death toll in Israel consisted of only two citizens and a Thai guest worker. Had there been no Iron Dome, dozens, perhaps hundreds, of civilians would have been killed; buildings would have fallen. Civilian Israel would have ground to a halt.

      Even if all 3 of those deaths were due (highly doubtful–we know one was killed near Gaza mortar fire) to failures of Iron Dome, we have 3/(1-0.90) is 30. ‘Dozens’ and ‘possibly hundreds’, not likely.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 28, 2014, 8:34 am

        Given that only about 5O people had died from Gaza rockets over the past decade, it’s very hard to see where Morris’ figure of ‘hundreds’ came from. Also, I’m not aware of any building being completely destroyed by a rocket, so the ‘buildings would have fallen’ thing also sounds like tosh.

        But of course, like a good Israeli, Morris has to play up the myth of Israeli ingenuity and concern for its citizens., never mind the facts. In reality, there’s no evidence that a single Israeli has been saved by the Iron Sieve.

    • jon s
      September 3, 2014, 12:48 pm

      Annie, Are you saying that the story is phony? That Hamas did not execute alleged “collaborators”? They announced the executions themselves and had them photographed.

  35. ckg
    August 27, 2014, 10:34 pm

    The subquote beginning “Even if…” is mine, not Morris’. I posted it as a ‘reply’ to my own comment, but it displays as a subquote, for some reason.

  36. m.c007
    August 15, 2016, 4:38 pm

    What’s a tragic story. Thanks for sharing. Totally heart touching :(

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