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Steve Israel's snapshot on arriving in Israel

Steve Israel’s snapshot on arriving in Israel

That Israel aid package of $225 million passed in the Congress Friday night “easily but not unanimously: 395 to 8.” As’ad Abu Khalil:

Only 4 Democrats and 4 Republicans voted against it. The four Democrats were Keith Ellison (MN-05), Zoe Lofgren (CA-19), Jim Moran (VA-08, and Beto O’Rourke (TX-16).

The four Republicans are Justin Amash (MI-03), Walter Jones (NC-03), Tom Massie (KY-04), and Mark Sanford (SC-01).”

Meantime, another seven congresspeople from both sides of the aisle have headed to Israel. From Long Island Congressman Steve Israel:

Great arriving in Israel on bipartisan visit. #israelunderfire

Proud to travel to Israel w/bipartisan congressional group & meet w/leaders of our closest ally.

Tom Brune of Newsday reports that the seven are going at the behest of the American Israel Education Foundation, which is part of the Israel lobby AIPAC.

News 12 Long Island reports:

the congressman said there will be peace when Hamas decides to stop firing rockets over the border in hopes of killing Israelis, and sending terrorists through tunnels to kidnap Israelis. He says the group also needs to “teach their children how to put things together rather than how to blow things up.”…

He believes the bond between Israel and the United States has never been stronger, as both countries continue to battle terrorism.

But (Congressman) Israel is on the defensive. Look at his next tweet after he tweeted the tweet above:


Scott Roth, one of those sending the angry tweets, explained the difference to Israel:

it’s NOT YOU in congress enabling that slaughter.

Billmon was very good too:

Some Bosnian Serb politician, circa 1994: “Why isn’t anyone talking about Rwanda!!” Is that really the best you’ve got?

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  1. eGuard
    August 4, 2014, 10:18 am

    Here is another reply to Rep Steve Israel. Originally from As’ad AbuKhalil. The Syrian population is ten times that of the Gaza Strip. By comparision in equivalence, Israel has killed in four weeks 20.000 Syrians (including 3000 children). Happy now?

    • ritzl
      August 4, 2014, 1:30 pm

      And the Syrian civil war has been going on for years. And the 170K number is killed by both sides (all sides actually, as it is a 3-way civil war). And we fund one of the sides responsible for half± of those deaths. etc. etc. etc.

      Even if the situations were comparable, as you point out, Israel’s killing intensity/frenzy far exceeds anything Assad is doing.

      • Shingo
        August 4, 2014, 3:35 pm

        More importantly is that the majority of the deaths are at the hands of rebels factions – you know, the ones the US is arming?

  2. Kay24
    August 4, 2014, 10:54 am

    Well, there is nothing so loving as Steve Israel and his merry band of slaves, making their annual pilgrimage to their motherland. To worship and adore the zionist government. The mere fact that they are so defensive about it, show the criticism is getting to them. There is nothing so disgusting as seeing those who were we vote for, making asses of themselves by falling over each other, and doing an alien nation’s bidding, that basically is NOT good for their own nation.

    • Giles
      August 4, 2014, 11:34 am

      Let’s not forget that what is happening in Syria and Iraq is happening due to US intervention that in turn is largely driven by Neocons loyal to Likud. Hence even this ‘look over there” defense is a lie when it uses Syria and Iraq as the places to look at.

      They would be better served to point at the US decimation of the natives here. Sure it took place centuries ago, but at least the Zionist hands are actually clean on that one.

  3. hophmi
    August 4, 2014, 10:58 am

    1 million people were killed in Bosnia. 800,000 were killed in Rwanda. Around 170,000 civilians have died in Syria. But what people care most about is a conflict in which under 2,000 people have died. The comparison of these conflicts with the I-P conflict is absurd on its face, but what else can you expect from these losers? They’ve compared the I-P conflict to the Holocaust, in which tens of millions of people were killed.

    Steve Israel’s point is well taken to any honest, intelligent person.

    The U.S. enabled the slaughter in Rwanda by doing nothing about it when it happened. It enabled the slaughter in Bosnia by doing nothing about it and by leaving Slobodan Milosevic in power. In fact, in that case, the same people supporting BDS now were militantly OPPOSED to intervening in any form in the Balkans and doubtless would have opposed any US action in Rwanda.

    The same people are also militantly OPPOSED to intervening in any form in Syria.

    Moreover, the complicity of the Europeans and UN in these slaughters is even deeper, particularly in Bosnia.

    So Scott Roth can tweet his ridiculous non-sequitor about enabling, as if Israel were not capable of using weapons without the US support, as if depriving Israel of military support would end the conflict, as if Hamas weren’t enabled by Iran and Qatar, and as if it weren’t enabling to allow despots like Slobodan Milosevic to kill people wasn’t much worse.

    • Donald
      August 4, 2014, 11:13 am

      “The same people are also militantly OPPOSED to intervening in any form in Syria.”

      They are opposed to arming the rebels, because even if one armed “moderate” rebels the weapons would probably end up in jihadist hands. Syria has come up at this blog and some of us who are very critical of Israel have yelled at each other regarding Syria. The world has given Syria a lot of press–the UN Human Rights Council website on the front page was normally dominated by Syria during the past few years, which is as it should be. But nobody except the geniuses (like you)who favored the Iraq War wants the US to go into yet another Middle Eastern country with ostensibly humanitarian goals.

      One could go through each of the cases you mention and have a heated discussion of whether the US should have intervened and why or why not and people did so. People had very heated discussions about whether we should intervene in Syria when it looked like we might start bombing Assad. So if you want to argue about those cases again, fine, but don’t pretend that people just ignored the issues.

      In the case of Israel, the US has the blood of innocent Palestinian civilians on its hands–the Obama Administration keeps endorsing the right of Israel to defend itself and Congress even objects to the diffident admonitions to avoid civilian casualties. And this is against a backdrop of Gaza maintained as a prison with Israel shooting at civilians during peacetime, and the WB under apartheid rule. If you want to go by bodycount, then nobody should ever even mention Israel’s death toll. And nobody should have criticized Soviet domination of Eastern Europe during the 80’s when the death toll there was quite small compared to what was happening in Central America under US-supported regimes.

      • gamal
        August 5, 2014, 9:27 am

        “we might start bombing Assad”

        Syria has a first name? No one was proposing bombing Assad, an impossibility, the proposition was “Do we need to destroy Syria in order to “save” it”, which also would have been the supreme international crime of Aggression.

        Resistance is right not a crime, the carpet bombers now whine about unguided physically mild but politically potent little rockets.

        Do you not see what is genuinely appalling about such fabulations as the “Bombing of Assad, Khaddafi, Sadam”, its a revolting way to express yourself.

    • eGuard
      August 4, 2014, 11:20 am

      Steve Roth already answered you, hophmi. Why didn’t you actually read the post?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 12:27 pm

        “Steve Roth already answered you, hophmi. Why didn’t you actually read the post?”

        eGaurd, I don’t think that was quite fair. Can you imagine what might happen to Hophmi’s mind if he actually read even a few of the articles on Mondoweiss?
        He doesn’t need to actually read the articles, he just needs to impress us with the firmness and depth of his faith in Zionism and Israel. That’ll sway everybody, one of these days.

    • amigo
      August 4, 2014, 11:23 am

      hopknee, click the “about” button above.

      This site is not about Rwanda or Syria.If you want to address those tragedies , then start your own site.

      If you are so concerned about the plight of the Syrian People , when are you going to demand that Israel get out of the Occupied Syrian Heights.

      Hypocrite.

    • American
      August 4, 2014, 11:23 am

      Syria is a civil war among Syrians–(without going into the various interest who helped instigate it)—do you get the difference?
      Do you also get the hypocritical difference in the US and others arming the rebels against the supposed ‘oppression’ of Assad’s regime and not arming the Palestines against Israel’s oppression and theft of Palestine?

    • Nevada Ned
      August 4, 2014, 11:28 am

      Hophmi is an Israeli shill.

      He points out that more people were killed in the Holocaust than in the current Israel massacre of Palestinians in Gaza. So, he argues, what’s the big deal?

      Let’s try out hophmi’s pinhead logic:

      In the Second World War, about 50 million people were killed around the world. This dwarfs the number of Jews killed by Germany, which was “only” 6 million. So why is anybody making a big deal about the Holocaust?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 12:22 pm

        “Hophmi is an Israeli shill.”

        The Shillus Israelio? Sadly, a prevalent pest in these parts.

      • Kay24
        August 4, 2014, 4:22 pm

        He is trained to justify Israel’s violence and war crimes, by automatically pointing to other situation, forgetting that this brutal occupation has been going on for around 50 years, and that we must first deal with the biggest criminal that has been able to operate for so long.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 11:14 pm

        “He is trained to justify Israel’s violence and war crimes…”

        I’m not sure about that, and I’ve been reading ol’ Hoph for a long while. I’m coming to the conclusion their intent is to demonstrate intractability.
        That is, if he and the others of his ilk, can impress the world with how big a gulf there is between Zionists and the rest of humanity, that no fact will be recognized, no principles will be honored, nothing matters except that Zionists get their way.
        And for doing that they expect to be rewarded with a stolen country, and a helot people along with it. They’re just gonna be so horrible, they will get their way. Just to get rid of them.
        AH, but that’s what persecution will do to ya’. Or is that not where they get that staggering sense of entitlement? Who knows?

    • chocopie
      August 4, 2014, 11:29 am

      So what’s your point? Israel should be allowed to kill 800,000 or a million before anyone’s allowed to make a fuss?

      If it were 2000 dead Jews you’d care. You’re just going to have to deal with the fact that some people care about 2000 dead Palestinians. Is that so hard to fathom?

      Anyway, it’s a lot more than 2000. Zionists have been doing this for more than 60 years.

      • Pixel
        August 4, 2014, 12:12 pm

        .
        2000 dead Jews?

        All it takes is one (1) IDF soldier allegedly being “kidnapped”.

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 12:52 pm

        “Syria has come up at this blog and some of us who are very critical of Israel have yelled at each other regarding Syria.”

        You know that most people in the BDS movement are not supporting any military intervention in Syria. They will not support US military intervention. They’re up in arms about Israel primarily because they see it as a US client state; their answer is always that Israel is different because it is supported by the US.

        ” But nobody except the geniuses (like you)who favored the Iraq War wants the US to go into yet another Middle Eastern country with ostensibly humanitarian goals.”

        No, nobody does. But if it’s about human rights and civilian casualties, why is a conflict with relatively few civilian casualties getting more attention than conflicts in the same region with exponentially more of them?

        Because it’s not about human rights and civilian casualties. It’s about politics, and it’s also about the Western obsession with the Holy Land.

        “In the case of Israel, the US has the blood of innocent Palestinian civilians on its hands–the Obama Administration keeps endorsing the right of Israel to defend itself and Congress even objects to the diffident admonitions to avoid civilian casualties.”

        Does it? I would think that the Europeans have just as much blood on their hands. It’s the British that left the mandate with two warring parties in it. And by the way, the US-tax-dollars stuff doesn’t apply to Europe. So what’s their excuse for obsessing over Israel in a way that they never obsessed over even Bosnia, which was in their own backyard?

        Roth’s tweet is just morally noxious. Congress isn’t enabling the slaughter in Syria? I guess no one enabled the slaughter in Rwanda by doing nothing about it.

        “Anyway, it’s a lot more than 2000. Zionists have been doing this for more than 60 years.”

        In the entire history of the conflict, the number of Palestinians that have been killed is a small fraction of the number of Syrians that have died in the past 2 years.

        I care whether the casualties are Israeli or Palestinian. At this point, I’d say the obsession of the media with the Holy Land is causing more death to occur, not less. Hamas is emboldened to attack Israeli civilians by this obsessive coverage.

      • just
        August 4, 2014, 12:56 pm

        “relatively few civilian casualties”

        Sickening, hophmi.

        Truly sickening. The equivalent of Nakba denial in 2014.

      • Donald
        August 5, 2014, 1:38 pm

        “Israel needs more support more often than other US allies. It’s in a hostile region. But in general, Congress treats allies with more deference than it does the US. That’s basic enough. There’s a general assumption that they can handle their own affairs better than we can.”

        That’s not it. In other cases where human rights and US allies are involved, Congress tends to split. Take Central America in the 80’s. People in Congress can be very critical of our allies. But in the case of Israel, it’s a sacred cow, virtually untouchable. Obama tried to get Netanhayu to do something as mild as stop settlement expansion and Congress sided with Netanyahu. Obama said the negotiations should precede on the basis of the 67 borders and Harry Reid sided with Netanyahu. This is the Israel Lobby–it doesn’t wield unlimited power on Middle East issues, but on questions directly involving Israel itself Congress generally dances to its tune.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 1:19 pm

        “You know that most people in the BDS movement are not supporting any military intervention in Syria. They will not support US military intervention. They’re up in arms about Israel primarily because they see it as a US client state; their answer is always that Israel is different because it is supported by the US.”

        Mine too. I think Assad’s side is guilty of massive war crimes, but that the jihadis are too, and would be worse for nearly everyone if they won. So I think the US should stay out. If someone had a good answer for Syria I’d listen, but I haven’t heard one. Israel is our responsibility. The bodycount in Gaza is much less, though I think that’s because Hamas doesn’t pose 1 tenth of 1 percent of the threat to Israel that the jihadis do to the Syrian government and all non-Sunni fundamentalists.

        “Does it? I would think that the Europeans have just as much blood on their hands. It’s the British that left the mandate with two warring parties in it. And by the way, the US-tax-dollars stuff doesn’t apply to Europe. So what’s their excuse for obsessing over Israel in a way that they never obsessed over even Bosnia, which was in their own backyard?”

        You’d have to ask the European left, hophmi. They might have a good answer and they might not. It probably depends on the individual. I really don’t know. When I used to read Robert Fisk, for instance, he was very critical of Israel, but he was also very critical of every armed faction in the Middle East that he covered, as best I can remember. But I never expect any side of any political issue to be completely pure or completely consistent in its motives.

        I can speak to the US–Israel is like an extension of our government. In fact, I think Congress people are more likely to be critical of US war crimes like torture and maybe even drone strikes (though that last one is tougher politically since Obama is responsible and on this one issue most Republicans probably support him) than they are of Israel.

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 1:33 pm

        Who is responsible for the jihadis in Syria? You know who. It’s the US, who created a hub for them by going into Iraq. How much money did we spend on that? I think it’s up to about $2 trillion dollars. But you’re into this argument that because we give a few billion to Israel, everyone else should obsess over it.

        “You’d have to ask the European left, hophmi.”

        I have. It’s clear that they see Israel as an extension of the US, whom they hate for winning the Cold War and putting the kibosh on the socialism they were hoping would break out all over the world. It’s also clear that they’ve been heavily lobbied by Muslim communities. But I don’t know how they justify seeing Israel as worse than Iran and North Korea and Russia.

        ” In fact, I think Congress people are more likely to be critical of US war crimes like torture and maybe even drone strikes (though that last one is tougher politically since Obama is responsible and on this one issue most Republicans probably support him) than they are of Israel.”

        I should hope so, since they are US Congresspeople, not Israeli ones. I should hope they’re more critical of their own societies than others are.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 1:44 pm

        “I should hope so, since they are US Congresspeople, not Israeli ones. I should hope they’re more critical of their own societies than others are.”

        That’s disingenuous, hophmi. Congress lines up to support Israel no matter what–that’s the point. I almost said that Congress treats Israel as though it were the 51st state and then changed it, because Congress treats Israel with more deference than it treats the US. Liberals used to criticize the US when it supported war criminals amongst its allies, but not Israel.

        As for US responsibility for the mess in Iraq and Syria, I completely agree and you’d probably find most people here agreeing with you on that. We stirred the pot, we supported Shiite death squads in Iraq while we were there, and probably helped drive some Iraqi Sunnis into the arms of the jihadists in that way. You’re not going to get much argument amongst any lefty on this point, here or in Europe.

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 1:48 pm

        “That’s disingenuous, hophmi. Congress lines up to support Israel no matter what–that’s the point. I almost said that Congress treats Israel as though it were the 51st state and then changed it, because Congress treats Israel with more deference than it treats the US. Liberals used to criticize the US when it supported war criminals amongst its allies, but not Israel.”

        Israel needs more support more often than other US allies. It’s in a hostile region. But in general, Congress treats allies with more deference than it does the US. That’s basic enough. There’s a general assumption that they can handle their own affairs better than we can.

      • Justpassingby
        August 4, 2014, 1:54 pm

        hophmi

        Uh like Iran for example the israel-lobby is driving american foreign policy on Syria.
        Dont come here complaining about Syria now.

      • can of worms
        August 4, 2014, 3:23 pm

        Hophmi says: Why do you obsess over Israel? To those who send me angry tweets about my supporting Israel’s slaughter of 1,815 Palestinians in Gaza, I also supported, for the sake of Israel and at a cost of $US 2 trillion, the slaughter of some 1,455,590 Iraqi civilians in the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. I also supported, for the sake of Israel, the US destabilization of Syria causing more than 110,000 deaths. And I would have you know I would in future also support, for the sake of Israel, a US invasion of Iran, causing millions of deaths. Why do you obsess over Israel’s genocide of Palestinians and why can’t you just stay the same dumb dupes you were in the 1990’s?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 2:19 pm

        “Hamas is emboldened to attack Israeli civilians by this obsessive coverage.”

        Gosh, I could very easily see people coming to the conclusion that guys like Hophmi do, indeed deserve a special place to go. Of course, Hophmi himself, won’t go there.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 11:18 pm

        “Hamas is emboldened to attack Israeli civilians by this obsessive coverage.”

        Ah, Hophmi isn’t going to let a little thing like Protective Edge keep him from his appointed rounds of Nakba denial! No sir, he’s back, swinging.

        “Protective Edge” wasn’t nothin’ to Hophmi, he’s a brave man, a cave man, nope, not Hophmi. As far as he’s concerned it’s back to BAU!!

      • traintosiberia
        August 5, 2014, 1:19 pm

        “You know that most people in the BDS movement are not supporting any military always that Israel is different because it is ”

        US is supporting anti Asad forces. US tried to get more involved. Krystol and AIPAC have been up in the arms against Assad. AIPAC wrote and then forced US houses the Syrian accountability act . ( it has done on Libya, on Lebanon on Iran )
        There ate human rights issues in Iran and Syria . But these countries did not come into existence on the principle of occupation,expropriation ,and dispossession og the native These countries suffered illegal usurpation of powers at different times . Those illegal transfer of power came with full US support . The reactions to these interventions gave rise to current regimes in Iran and Syria.
        Now US did not demand from Syria ,neither from Morocco or Jordan that powers should not be transferred to the sons without a full plebiscite or free election or new constitution . That was 2000.
        Israel never bothered either to ask Morocco or Jordan to enter democratic stages.
        When rebellion broke put , instead of helping the citizen,US and Israrl and Monarchs started fanning the rebel side. Not only that, Israel explicitly adopted the principle of continued stalemate preferring no winner . US adopted same stance . Israel doctored intercepts and intentionally blamed Syria which all most led to wars . This was according to AIPAC , necessary least element of intervention established by AIPAC in media , now been met . Israel created the environment in media of this red line that dared Obama to do something.
        Now the death numbers . More deaths have occurred from western supported rebels . Second those displaced Christisn, Alwaotes , Shia, Kurds, Yezdi never asked any agency that they should be armed to stop Assad. They have blamed Sunni and the rebels again supported by Israel Jordan,US.
        During Assad “s ten yrs of rule , no one , no group ever said that the religion or DNA or various combinations of DNA have determined what rights or privileges or protections or legal rights they should have or enjoy.
        Nature of the problem is different .
        Nature of US behaviors also to Syria,Lebanon,or Iran ate different from US involvement in Israel.
        Every death is deplorable but not every measure to stop them .
        If tomorrow Syria attacked some refugee camps in Jordan or Turkey on some ground or fabricated grounds that rockets were fired from the camps , them may be US or Israel can speak of moral equivalence .
        Not today.

      • Marnie
        August 4, 2014, 2:26 pm

        It’s horrible that you write what only amounts to rationalization of murder, extermination and genocide. You make me so ashamed.

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2014, 11:48 am

      Hophmi! Landsmann! Good buddy! Where ya’ been, pal? Gosh, there were so many attacks, er, I mean events, you could have explained to us. Oh well, I guess you were busy doing your part.
      Some people have a foot in both camps, but you keep your shoulder to the wheel, your nose to the grindstone, and your thumb, oh, never mind, so nice to see you.

    • William Burns
      August 4, 2014, 11:50 am

      People are dying in Syria and all you can do is complain about prejudice against Israel? What kind of monster are you?

    • Don
      August 4, 2014, 11:53 am

      Yes, Hophmi, if there is one thing every “honest, intelligent” person knows, it is that any immoral act is rendered irrelevant if someone, somewhere, has done something that is even more immoral.

      I mean, what philosophy or religion would not buy this argument?

      What judge, in any country in the world, would not let a criminal free if the criminal was simply clever enough to point out that someone, somewhere, has done something worse?

      You might want to be a little more careful with the use of the word “intelligent”…

      • ritzl
        August 4, 2014, 5:35 pm

        Something about beams and motes…

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2014, 11:57 am

      “But what people care most about is a conflict in which under 2,000 people have died.”

      Pssst, Hophmi, you just got back, and you’re blowing it already? You don’t think maybe that is the consequence of picking a spot which much of the world is very concerned with to be the victim of Zionist aggression has maybe something to do with it?
      Why not start with a fixer-upper, before you move to a larger place?

    • Justpassingby
      August 4, 2014, 11:58 am

      Hasbara Lesson Number #1

      A)
      Use whatabout when you have no arguments left.
      Remember only to use this trick when you really are desperate.

      B)..

    • Qualtrough
      August 4, 2014, 12:19 pm

      Jesus Hopfmi, can you give the ‘whataboutery’ a rest, even for a moment? Does it not enter your thick skull that Americans might be upset that their tax dollars are supporting your baby-killing soldiers, and our politicians are providing cover for your continued baby-killing? Last time I checked the US was not providing Assad with munitions and supporting him at the UN, and if US soldiers were wielding machetes in Rwanda I missed that. Not that US foreign policy is something I agree with, and I have said as much in many other forums. For Chrissakes, whataboutery is not even a defense for your crimes, it is just a diversion. In terms you might understand, it is like Hitler asking people why they are bitching about all the Jews being killed while ignoring Stalin’s horrible crimes. The only difference is scale. How pathetic and weak that you think that failed magic trick works anymore. Please check with Hasbara Central to find some other arguments from the playbook. Please!

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2014, 12:31 pm

      “They’ve compared the I-P conflict to the Holocaust, in which tens of millions of people were killed.”

      Gosh, what “losers”!! Well, at least I can be proud that no Zionist has ever stooped to that!

      Yup, when they come back, it’s usually with a bad case of Ziocaine Syndrome Amnesia. So distressing to see.

    • Marnie
      August 4, 2014, 2:20 pm

      There’s no shame in your game. So casually ruthless.

    • eGuard
      August 4, 2014, 2:44 pm

      hop, you’ve lost this argument already in 1943. People came to Roosevelt to tell about and ask to stop what was going on in Auschwitz. The Prez did the hophmi: “yeah, but what about the USSR? Many more deaths there”.

    • In2u
      August 4, 2014, 3:03 pm

      “1 million people were killed in Bosnia. 800,000 were killed in Rwanda. Around 170,000 civilians have died in Syria. But what people care most about is a conflict in which under 2,000 people have died”

      That makes it ok?

      Btw 2 of the 3 conflicts you mentioned are finished, guess what? Israel will be in Gaza again in few years time!

      How many were massacred since the birth of Israel?

      • ritzl
        August 4, 2014, 5:45 pm

        Exactly. They always act like the Palestinians this just started yesterday for no reason and Israel is just acting out of “normal” righteous anger. They always skip the minor detail of Israel’s occupation/oppression/murder of Palestinians that has been going on for generations.

    • Bandolero
      August 4, 2014, 4:30 pm

      Hophmi
      Of course, I think, you and everyone else here understand that talk is now about what was just shared by Adam Johannes and Nancy Kricorian as “Talking Point 6”

      https://twitter.com/nancykric/status/495315136841011200/photo/1

      I agree with you that the current zionist massacre in Gaza is not the worst thing happened to mankind, and I would add it’s not the worst thing Israel and it’s lobby did so far. I find it more like a public showcase of Israeli cruelty.

      You rightly insist that there were worse things done by mankind in recent history than this Zionist massacre in Gaza. But you forgot to mention that many of the things worse were advocated or spearheaded for by the Israeli lobby and it’s close partners in the US and worldwide.

      Besides massacring Palestinians Israel, the global Zionist lobby and it’s close partners had in recent years leading roles in many massacres, bloody coups, desastrous regime changes, false flag terror attacks, instigations of murderous conflicts, and wars of aggression. Take Lebanon, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, El Savador, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and now Ukraine as some examples where Israel, the global Zionist lobby and it’s close international partners had important roles in sparking other massive bloodsheds worldwide, too, to put it mildly, because many of them seem to have been spearheaded by Israel and it’s global lobby. Besides the destruction of entire societies and the death of millions of people, the recent expensive Iraq carnage advocated for by the Israel lobby was also a major factor in the destruction of the international financial system making billions of people a lot poorer. This multi decade long bloody desaster spearheaded by Israel and it’s lobby is why I find it so important to expose Israel and it’s lobby.

      However, I understand that there are people who disagree with that argueing that Israel and it’s lobby had either no role in these desasters or the victims of the bloodshed are to blame for their perils. May it be as it is.

      Given the current Israeli carnage in Gaza I would agree to treat Israel just like any other rogue state, ie put in place a strict international arms embargo under Chapter VII against Israel and add to this tough economic sanctions until Israel stops all it’s bloody racist and illegal policies. Such a compromise I’ld find fair, given that some people doubt the extent of bloodshed enabled by Israel and it’s lobby elsewhere.

      • ritzl
        August 4, 2014, 5:54 pm

        Agree. The pattern is clear. Israel and all its support infrastructure and machinations is global problem #1.

      • Bandolero
        August 4, 2014, 6:42 pm

        ritzl
        I didn’t want to use the superlative Israel #1 and I mean it.

        There are other problems in the world which have nothing to do with Israel and which are also ugly, say world population growth in direction of overpopulation, neo-imperialist competition among major global powers, human destroying of some global nature resources which are the basics for human life, conflicts in Kashmir, East Asia, Africa, drug addiction, and so on.

        But what I also think, what is proven beyond much doubt: Israel and all its support infrastructure and machinations are currently one of the causes of major global problems. Let me add: causes of senseless and avoidable global problems.

      • ritzl
        August 4, 2014, 9:03 pm

        @Bandolero- I agree there are many big problems out there which if taken in isolation would rival the specific impact of Israel and its related “mischief.” But nothing comes even close to the political and diplomatic energy expended on letting Israel have it’s way with the world. Not even close.

        The energy expended on that effort sucks the life out of any collective global ability to even focus on any of the other big problems – let alone address or solve them. Imho of course.

        Appreciate your comments, btw. You seem to have the desire and ability pull things together and explain the connections (tree being the archetype of that here). Thanks.

      • traintosiberia
        August 5, 2014, 12:30 am

        Yes there are other problems . But why does Israel get into those issues and divert resources and divert focus and distort the responses and always for its own benefits?
        911 generated Israeli centric views . Iraq war fiasco led to further Israeli centric policies . Arab spring led to Israel centric rear guard actions on part of US.
        Israel ties US like an anaconda does. Every attempt to free itself becomes an example of Chamberlain or worse .

      • Bandolero
        August 4, 2014, 11:30 pm

        ritzl
        Thank you for the flowers. Yes, I do try to put things in perspective, and yes, I agree to you, that the current global problem of rabid Zionism must be properly addressed.
        Regarding Israel being global problem #1, if you visit my website for global news mostly from the so-called third world, you may understand why I put even the abhorrent problem of raging zionist extremism into a somewhat diminishing perspective. Some people may find it hard to accept but I believe that in a couple of years, 10, 30 or 50 years, who knows, if current western world leaders refrain from blowing up the world into a nuclear winter, problems inbetween sects of the Abrahamic religions may look like minor problems in the world, whatever Israel and it’s backers in Abrahamic countries might do in the meantime or do not so.

        I expect China, India and some other Asian countries to become the most potent in the world in a couple of years, not so distant from today as some people might think. This development I expect to come gradually, if, as I assume, the western leaders don’t want to challenge it in a serious military way. But if they do, I expect this global development to accelerate, so it won’t make much of a difference in historical terms.

        Anyway, I expect populous and large countries like China, India and Russia to become the most powerful countries in the world, may that development come a bit more distant or quite close. So,what will the I/P conflict look like from Beijing or Mumbai then? I think it will look like some Abrahamic people kill each other. Their bad. Their bad meaning the bad of the Abrahamic people. And it wouldn’t look much different if an Israel lobby in some western states would try to put through a senselessly aggressively foreign policy. It would be: Their bad. The bad of the uncivilized Western world.

        So, to conclude, what I expect to happen in the next years, will be that the “Israeli problem” – if it will be unsolved – will over the next years diminish from the global problem that it currently is to something more like a regional problem of Abrahamic states.

        All of before should not mean I think that Israel and it’s global lobby are not one of the most pressing problems of the current time. They clearly are. But strategically spoken, I think, Israel will likely morph from a global problem into a regional western problem in a couple of years. It will be up for the western and Abrahamic countries to solve this problem.

      • ritzl
        August 5, 2014, 12:48 am

        Three things, Bandolero. None disagreements.

        1) Really great comment.

        2) It’s odd for me, a typical center-of-the-universe American, to contemplate the future fact that one day a center-of-the-universe Chinese official will regard my concerns like we regard Africa’s concerns today.

        3) It’s hard to tell if the energy we expend now on Israel delays your long view through blockage, or accelerates it through depletion. If forced to choose, I’d say the latter, but there’s a giant, tenacious, zero-sum/scorched-earth hurdle to overcome between here and there.

        Cheers.

      • Donald
        August 5, 2014, 9:21 am

        Just wanted to add my appreciation for your comment here and those elsewhere, bandolero. Really smart, balanced, and well informed.

      • can of worms
        August 4, 2014, 9:18 pm

        @Bandolero & ritzl,
        +1.
        The Zionist-led massacre upon bare human life in occupied Gaza (including a war on information through the corporate-media-military-industrial complex) is one of the symptoms of larger systematic failures.

        The horror of Gaza is compounded by how much we already know about history, thanks to the internet, and by how powerless we feel to stop history from happening before our eyes. The human catastrophe of Gaza is compounded by the fact that it is only a continuance of a predictable trajectory–and by the ever-dawning realization that US citizens have no influence over our supposed elected leaders and representatives.

        The massacre in Gaza is not historically or strategically isolated. And it is structurally linked to the active support, on the part of the Israel Lobby and Zionist think tanks, for US invasions and destabilization of at least seven countries in Central Asia and Africa.

        @Hophmi, is there anything Israel could theoretically do to make you stop supporting it?

        What is the meaning of “unconditional support for Israel”, as spouted by a line of US presidents? If we seem to you “obsessed” by this question, it is because at stake is indeed the larger system, — viz., representative democracy, US sovereignty, accountability to international law, the freedom of news networks, and, ultimately, the fate of the Palestinian people or any other people whom Israel may in the future deem a danger to its regional hegemony.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2014, 11:40 pm

        great comment bandolero

    • sligoker
      August 4, 2014, 4:37 pm

      Excellent—the fact remains that the obsession with Israel had very dark undertones and when brought up, engenders very defensive irrational responses.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2014, 11:38 pm

        perhaps you could pt out what struck you as defensive.

    • talknic
      August 4, 2014, 8:41 pm

      @ hophmi “1 million people were killed in Bosnia. 800,000 were killed in Rwanda.”

      Over.

      ” Around 170,000 civilians have died in Syria.”

      Civil war. Other states / UN are not allowed to intervene unless asked by a majority representative.

      ” But what people care most about is a conflict in which under 2,000 people have died. “

      In the 66 years Israel has been coveting and illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory by war and building illegal facts on the ground, far more than 2,000 people have died

      “The comparison of these conflicts with the I-P conflict is absurd on its face”

      Indeed. So why are you comparing them?

      • W.Jones
        August 4, 2014, 8:49 pm

        Talknic,

        He is comparing them because it is a Hasbarah talking point I saw earlier going around in the Twitterverse.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 11:24 pm

        W. Jones, I keep on telling Hophmi he should go into the bowling-lanes business. He’d make a perfect pin-setter. Hophmi sets ’em up, and they get knocked down, and he sets ’em up again, and pow!, a strike by Hostage or Talknic (among so many others I fear to name anybody) or somebody, and Hophmi sets those same old tired pins up again.
        Funny, he never puts them down in the same spots, but it doesn’t seem to matter, well, well, look at that, somebody bowled a perfect game! Set ’em up again, Hophmi!

    • oldgeezer
      August 4, 2014, 8:44 pm

      ” In fact, in that case, the same people support………”

      Wrong but thanks for asking. Remind which of those conflicts have had millions of people being oppressed under occupation or seige for 67 years? Yes yes.. the occupation doesn’t go back that far but the dispossession does.

      Syria aside those conflicts are ended but this one Israel refuses to sit down and talk preferring the cover of conflict with the attendant damage to innocent civilians on both sides.

  4. just
    August 4, 2014, 11:03 am

    Here hophmi:

    “Relative to the size of Gaza’s population, the numbers are approaching the dimensions of the war in Syria, the one Israel bandies about to prove the Arabs’ animal nature. Last week, a record-breaking week, 1,700 people were killed in Syria. In Gaza, whose population is less than one-tenth that of Syria’s, about that same number have been killed in three and a half weeks of Israeli intoxication of the senses – not a major difference.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.608490

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2014, 12:13 pm

      Oh, just, you know how Hophmi is. Always the joker, always a card. He’ll go on with his schtick as long as anybody takes him seriously.
      Hophmi, we get it, pal, we get it. Zionists don’t think like other people, and think what they do is right. You stress that every chance you get. What is that supposed to get you?

    • hophmi
      August 4, 2014, 12:58 pm

      Oh, are we doing these analogies? Then Westerners should think about what it would be like if 80% of their civilians were constantly under threat of rocket fire. They should also ask themselves what they would do if they had experienced the equivalent of hundreds of 9/11’s, given the percentage, relative to population, of Israelis that have died in terrorist attacks.

      In any event, Syria has around 22,400,000 people. 170K civilians is about 15 or 16 times the civilian death rate in Gaza, and they have died to protect the tiny Alawite minority. That’s not counting the tens of thousands that died before the civil war, dating back to when that bloodsucker, Hafez al-Assad, was in power.

      • Kay24
        August 4, 2014, 1:08 pm

        If the Westerners had some intelligence, they might fathom out that those rockets keep coming because the Westerners are occupying the territories where those rockets come from. Every rocket is a message to the occupier, that the victims have taken that crap for too long, and that it is time to stop the land grabs and given them their G-d given rights as human beings.
        We are not paying Assad the most aid and weapons to keep slaughtering
        civilians, so your point is lame.

      • ritzl
        August 4, 2014, 1:20 pm

        @hophmi- This “Westerner” would solve the problem causing the occasional rocket attack. Which means end the Occupation, stop killing Palestinians everywhere/routinely/in groups, end the siege, recognize that when my country isn’t killing Palestinians there are no rocket attacks (Clue!).

        In short, assuming that my preference would be to end the killing (not a reasonable assumption in the case of Israel and its supporters), I’d try really, really hard to stop believing my own BS.

        PS. Hundreds of 9/11s? Then Gaza has suffered thousands of 9/11s. But then Israel hasn’t suffered 100s of 9/11s, has it? Even in equivalent terms. But back to reality, there were 80 Palestinians killed in just one day a few days ago. That’s the equivalent of FOUR 9/11s right there. And that’s just 1/30 days, ongoing, this event.

      • tree
        August 4, 2014, 3:21 pm

        Then Westerners should think about what it would be like if 80% of their civilians were constantly under threat of rocket fire.

        Gotta love how hopmi’s arguments can turn on a dime. 2000 deaths? Why are you making a big deal about such a small number? Are you anti-semitic or something?
        …followed in rapid succession by an appeal to the threat of rockets that have killed just 2 civilians in Israel, despite the fact that Israel has over 4 times Gaza’s population.

        Shorter hophmi: Two civilians killed in Israel? Oh, the humanity! A thousand times that killed in Gaza? What’s the anti-semitic fuss about?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 11:28 pm

        “Shorter hophmi: Two civilians killed in Israel? Oh, the humanity! A thousand times that killed in Gaza? What’s the anti-semitic fuss about?”

        And look how he demonstrated his integrity, and willingness to stand up for his ideas, by disappearing for a little while during the worst of “Protective Edge” (I think he dropped out at about the second school) and then popped up again, slingin’ the same trash, as if nothing substantive had happened.
        Hophmi may not have a heart of gold, but that sucker sure has some brass balls.

      • Sand
        August 4, 2014, 8:16 pm

        About those Hamas ‘bottle’ rockets vs. what the Israelis have been ‘indiscriminately’ lobbing over into their Palestinian internment camp. Israel needs to let the innocent out.

        Most of Hamas’ arsenal is comprised of homemade rockets that are decidedly incapable of inflicting mass civilian casualties, flattening apartment blocks, or causing conflagrations that consume entire cities.
        http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141698/mark-perry/gazas-bottle-rockets#cid=soc-twitter-at-snapshot-gaza_s_bottle_rockets-000000

        h/t Gershom Gorenberg

      • ziusudra
        August 6, 2014, 2:38 am

        Re.: Hophmi,
        …Tunnels….
        The destroyed Gazan Tunnels are largely for Food & Medicine stuffs.
        We remember the Children coming back into the Warsaw Ghetto
        stuffed with Food & were caught full handed by the soldiers?
        Were they given a slap on de wrist, or?
        Put any human in lock up & watch how he reacts!
        ziusudra
        PS Get out of Gaza!

  5. Donald
    August 4, 2014, 11:03 am

    By the way, it isn’t 170,000 dead Syrian CIVILIANS. The breakdown in the death toll over there is pretty murky.

    • benedict
      August 4, 2014, 11:39 am

      and how murky is the breakdown of dead in gaza?

      • Justpassingby
        August 4, 2014, 12:00 pm

        benedict

        Murky as your murky views?

        The people of Gaza have an elected (?) government. They should ask their government why it decided to drag them all into this pointless war. They should also ask Mr. Haniyeh why he wasted 40 percent of hamas budget on building a vast system of military attack tunnels instead of using the money to provide for the peoples actual needs.

        Hamas is elected just because of Israel, Hamas tunnels are the result of the blockade you support.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 1:37 pm

        Not very murky–it’s clear that a large number of children are dying, for instance.

    • hophmi
      August 4, 2014, 12:59 pm

      Estimates range from 110K civilians to 170K civilians.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 1:36 pm

        “Estimates range from 110K civilians to 170K civilians.”

        Wrong.

        The estimated total death toll is from 110K to 170K people. A common Western politician thing to do is refer to the dead as though they were all civilians and all killed by Assad. The breakdown between combatants and non-combatants is what is murky, but the Syrian Observatory for human rights last summer when I was looking at this said that the total death toll then was about 100,000, and of these 36,000 were civilians. Then there were supposedly more pro-Assad militia and Assad military dying than there were anti-Assad rebels. Which is odd, because the Assad side has the heavy weaponry. That’s what made me wonder about the accuracy of the figures. Maybe some of those pro-Assad “combatants” were really civilians counted as combatants–at one point the Syrian Observatory referred to “informers” killed– and there are also claims that some of the “civilians” are Syrian civilians who picked up weapons and fought Assad and then were counted as civilian. That’s what’s so murky about it. The number of dead women and children (back in the summer of 2013) was about 8000. Huge, but a small fraction of the total.

        And here is a NYT link to a story from late June 2013, with the breakdown of casualties given at that point, according to the Syrian Observatory. Don’t take my word for it–read it if you are interested

        Link to June 27 2013 NYT article

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 1:42 pm

        So far, that number includes 2,245 Palestinians, including 840 in Yarmouk alone.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 1:53 pm

        Yeah, and if you weren’t on vacation from this blog at the time you’ll remember the heated arguments at this blog on that question when people posted about it. You could stir some heated argument about Syria amongst people here if you wish and if people want to participate because it has happened before. And that’s fine–exposing moral inconsistencies in one’s political opponents is actually a good thing if you’re trying to change their minds where you think they are wrong, but it doesn’t make anything Israel is doing morally justified and it’s not a good thing to do if you are just trying to distract attention from Israel. So do you want moral consistency in condemning both Israel’s atrocities and those in Syria (and other places) or is the point just to distract?

        All of us (I think) oppose US meddling in Syria. And Americans are directly responsible for what Israel is doing to Palestinians now.

      • adele
        August 4, 2014, 1:53 pm

        Hophmi –
        Your concern for the Syrian people is exemplary, your heart is in the right place, with the suffering and displaced population. I underestimated you!

        I am sure that you know there are approximately 500,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria who are caught in a dangerous situation and over half have fled the refugee camps there. Given your humanitarian concern, I am sure that you will want to mitigate their suffering by advocating for their return to their Palestinian villages and cities from which they were forced to flee and prohibited from returning by Israel.

        As a reminder Hoppo, you can make all the arguments you want, you can deflect til the moon howls back, at the end of the day the conflict is always about the injustice created by a colonial-settler state that stole the land and livelihoods of the Palestinians, and all the subsequent crimes and violence against Palestinians in order to sustain the dystopian dream that is zionism.

      • just
        August 4, 2014, 2:20 pm

        A hearty kerpow! Good job, adele!

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 3:46 pm

        “I am sure that you know there are approximately 500,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria who are caught in a dangerous situation and over half have fled the refugee camps there. ”

        Why have the Syrians kept them in refugee camps this long?

        I guess for the same reasons the Lebanese have. And that is because they hate Israelis more than they love Palestinians.

        “As a reminder Hoppo, you can make all the arguments you want, you can deflect til the moon howls back, at the end of the day the conflict is always about the injustice created by a colonial-settler state that stole the land and livelihoods of the Palestinians, and all the subsequent crimes and violence against Palestinians in order to sustain the dystopian dream that is zionism.”

        At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination, and the Palestinians will either have a state or they won’t have one. But they won’t have Israel as part of it.

      • eljay
        August 4, 2014, 4:38 pm

        >> hophmeee: At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination …

        Israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”:
        – born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
        – engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – unwilling to honour its obligations under international law;
        – unwilling to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        – unwilling to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        Jewish self-determination has expressed – and continues to express – itself in a most unjust and immoral way.

      • talknic
        August 4, 2014, 8:22 pm

        @ hophmi “Why have the Syrians kept them in refugee camps this long?”

        Odd that you ask … You’ve been shown many times before … It’s because “Israel, the occupying Power” refuses to allow their rightful return to their homelands as Israeli citizens AND Israel, the occupying Power refuses to allow their rightful return to their homelands in non-Israeli territories “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        “I guess for the same reasons the Lebanese have. “

        See above..

        “And that is because they hate Israelis more than they love Palestinians. “

        Care to explain why there is a complete lack of logic in that classic piece of Ziopuke

        “At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination”

        That would be fine if Israel wasn’t in breach of International Law, the UN Charter, relevant conventions much of which was adopted in light of the atrocities visited upon our Jewish fellows by the stinking f*&^ing Nazis. However, according to the UNSC, Israel is in breach of those laws

        It would be fine if Israel wasn’t in breach of the basic tenets of Judaism forbidding the coveting of other folks property & theft. However, Israel is in breach of the basic tenets of Judaism

        It would be fine if Israel wasn’t acting illegally in non-Israeli territories, illegally selling land to vile illegal Israeli settlers in non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by war over the last 66 years.

        Because none of the above expresses any Jewish values I’ve ever heard of

        “and the Palestinians will either have a state or they won’t have one”

        They already have a state you stupid person. Palestine has been recognized by the vast majority of the Comity of Nations. You’ve been shown these facts before, yet you come here and spout your pathetic drivel over and over expecting to be taken seriously? Get a life!! Go whinge and moan to the people responsible for the current state of affairs. The idiotic Zionist Federation.

        What Palestine doesn’t have is independence from Israeli oppression, Israeli occupation, freedom from Zionist colonization and its vile supporters

        ” But they won’t have Israel as part of it”

        They don’t want Israel as part of it. They want Israel to get the f*ck out of Palestine! The Palestinians have in front of the world offered to accept only 22% of their rightful territory for peace. Israel, supported by idiots like yourself, responded by building more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory.

      • can of worms
        August 4, 2014, 9:26 pm

        “At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination, and the Palestinians will either have a state or they won’t have one. But they won’t have Israel as part of it.”

        Better yet, there will be a constitutional democratic republic of Isratine based on a bill of rights and compensation for decades of dispossession and displacement.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 11:31 pm

        “At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination, and the Palestinians will either have a state or they won’t have one. But they won’t have Israel as part of it.”

        Now, that’s some high-class Nakba denial. Clever Nakba denial like that you can’t get just anywhere!

      • Mooser
        August 5, 2014, 1:38 am

        “At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination”

        Ah, yes, of Jewish determination. Cause this is what all the coming generations in Israel will want to do with their lives. Yep, that good ol’ Jewish determination. Hophmi’s counting on it.

      • RoHa
        August 5, 2014, 4:27 am

        “At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination”

        Still no shred of an argument for Jewish self determination. Don’t you ever get tired of repeating empty phrases?

      • Janet Jupiter
        August 4, 2014, 5:15 pm

        They were offered the ability to move to the west bank, all they needed to do was sign a paper that says they have no intent to move to Israel proper. That is a great deal, considering they will most likely never be able to move to Israel proper. Abbas refused to protect these Palistineans.

      • eljay
        August 4, 2014, 11:46 pm

        >> Janet Jupitereee: … That is a great deal, considering they will most likely never be able to move to Israel proper.

        It’s a great deal for supremacist “Jewish State”, because it absolves it of its obligations under international law.

        >> Abbas refused to protect these Palistineans.

        For over 60 years, Zio-supremacists and their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” have, among other things, refused:
        – to stop stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land;
        – to stop oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians; and
        – to honour their obligations under international law.

        But you choose to blame the victims rather than the perpetrator. Interesting.

      • Mooser
        August 5, 2014, 1:40 am

        ” that says they have no intent to move to Israel proper.”

        “Israel proper”? Where, Ms. Jupiter, from your Olympian viewpoint, is “Israel proper”? What are its borders, its boundaries? No doubt you can see from up there, so why not tell us?

      • hophmi
        August 5, 2014, 12:08 pm

        “Better yet, there will be a constitutional democratic republic of Isratine based on a bill of rights and compensation for decades of dispossession and displacement.”

        Yes, like the constitutional democratic republics in the rest of the Arab world, because if there’s one thing that’s traditional in these societies, it’s constitutional democratic republics.

  6. Kay24
    August 4, 2014, 11:23 am

    Anyone know where Ben Wiedeman and Karl Penhaul are these days? They have been yanked out and we are getting filtered reports from those who are now in Gaza.
    Karl did a wonderful job, but it seems the usual complaints from the Israeli servants here, have slowly changed the entire reporting. We know that Israel is furious that we are being shown horrible scenes resulting from their brutality and they are losing the PR war, so they can be yanking out the honest reporting for the usual slanted ones.

    Ayman also seems to be given less reporting slots.

    • just
      August 4, 2014, 12:37 pm

      I hope that Ben and Karl are only on a mental health break.

      In other news, I guess Israel and his buddies got this message:

      ““Yes, now.” An advertisement promoting vacations in Israel while the fighting continues.

      Somebody behind the marketing of Noblus cigarettes couldn’t resist the opportunity that came with Operation Protective Edge. Dubek has been running television ads declaring, “Noblesse salutes the security forces everywhere, no matter what.”

      On the home front, Delta Galil, the maker of underwear and other apparel, ran a newspaper campaign directed at Israelis spending nights in public shelters. “Aren’t you embarrassed to sit next to neighbors every night in the same pajamas?”

      Most advertisers have opted to lay low during the nearly four weeks of fighting in Gaza, cutting down spending and postponing campaigns. But a survey by TheMarker has found that a few have risked controversy by identifying with the war effort.

      The advertising research group Ifat said the biggest spender in the category was Kupat Holim Clalit. The health maintenance organization has budgeted an estimated 1.4 million shekels ($410,000) on print and TV ads with the slogan, “We have complete confidence in our medical teams,” accompanied by a list of its clinics in the war-battered south.

      Bank Leumi isn’t far behind with what Ifat estimated is a 1.23 million-shekel campaign and Bank Hapoalim with a 920,000-shekel budget. But advertising professionals warned they are taking a risk.”

      more @ http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.608711

      • Kay24
        August 4, 2014, 4:26 pm

        The indifference to human suffering and war. Making money off the blood of women and children. Disgusting.

  7. American
    August 4, 2014, 12:19 pm

    Get the politicians , get the politicians, get them, get them.

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/496256949449945088

    Glenn GreenwaldVerified account‏@ggreenwald
    RT @wikileaks Israel secretly told US of its plan to destroy #Gaza’s economy

    WikiLeaksVerified account‏@wikileaks
    Israel secretly told US of its plan to destroy #Gaza’s economy https://wikileaks.org/plusd pic.twitter.com/AT65ke2yNh

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/496200757734289408

  8. American
    August 4, 2014, 12:23 pm

    Quit aiming at Israel, Israel doesnt give a shit what the world thinks—-aim at Washington.

    http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2014/08/monday-updated-added-at-top-on-israel.html

    8:00 a.m. ET Glenn Greenwald at The Intercept with new piece based on Snowden docs on full extent of U.S. aid to Israel. “The U.S. government has long lavished overwhelming aid on Israel, providing cash, weapons and surveillance technology that play a crucial role in Israel’s attacks on its neighbors. But top secret documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden shed substantial new light on how the U.S. and its partners directly enable Israel’s military assaults – such as the one on Gaza….The new Snowden documents illustrate a crucial fact: Israeli aggression would be impossible without the constant, lavish support and protection of the U.S. government”

  9. Kathleen
    August 4, 2014, 12:50 pm

    I thought all of this hanky panky was supposed to come to a halt after the Bob Ney, Abramoff scandal? I thought there was legislation passed to stop this type of corrupt influence peddling.

  10. subconscious
    August 4, 2014, 1:31 pm

    Meanwhile, Norman Finkelstein has called for another, even larger than last Tue.’s, civil disobedience action in front of the Israeli mission to the UN for Fri. 8/8 @ 12PM: https://www.facebook.com/events/556829777762222/

  11. Kay24
    August 4, 2014, 1:36 pm

    I have been hearing ad nauseam about how some Arab leaders call for Israel to be wiped off the map, and various other offensive remarks (although reality shows the Palestinians are systematically being wiped of the map, and the territories have shrunk like cheap fabric), factually we know that the most hate speeches come from extreme right wingers and rabbis.
    How about this official following in Hitlers footsteps?

    “Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, Moshe Feiglin, has called for the use of concentration camps for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.”
    Sharing a plan for the destruction of Gaza in a letter addressed to Netanyahu on his Facebook page on August 1, Feiglin wrote “What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.”

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/141870/israeli-official-calls-for-concentration-camps-in-gaza

    They are so full of hate and greed, they let their guard down, and ultimate goals are becoming obvious. The nazis of our time.

    • ziusudra
      August 6, 2014, 2:58 am

      Greetings Kay24,
      ….Palestinians being wiped off….
      The Palestinians are there to stay.
      These East Euo ‘Slavic’ descendents
      just don’t have what it takes to be a
      German Hun. They know how to
      annihilate. One month of steadfast
      bombing & this is their catch. It will
      take them eons because the Palestinians
      will go on multiplying, as we all hope.
      ziusudra
      PS One day they will ask, why didn’t we
      stay at the 67 borders, we had more than
      we hoped for in 45?

  12. LuLu
    August 4, 2014, 2:38 pm

    Things will NEVER EVER change in our Government until the civilians once and for all put a stop to it, that is EXPOSING these congressman, and making sure they do not vote for them and having a non pro Israel candidate win. Eric Cantor was defeated, not because he was Jewish, but because he was arrogant and did not represent what the Americans wanted. I can say, I am a very proud American who has never voted and never will. They all freaking lie until they are in office, perfect example is Obama.

    • Kay24
      August 4, 2014, 4:28 pm

      I did vote, but stopped a few years ago. I could not find ONE credible candidate who did not kiss up to Israel, so instead I voted for the only one who had no chance of winning but wanted the aid to Israel stopped. I doubt I will ever vote again.

      • ziusudra
        August 6, 2014, 3:08 am

        Re.: Kay24,
        …credible candidate….
        We remember what the US Blacks were saying in de 50s?
        Vote for de lesser evil! We must now do de same.
        Pick de canidate that will kill & destroy less on de globe.
        ziusudra
        PS Even if we burn down de houses of the Senate &
        Congress, they’ll turn their deals in de outhouse!
        We’ve been had. Justice is only what we bargain for.

  13. In2u
    August 4, 2014, 2:48 pm

    Boycott the Zionist politicians during election and campaign against them.
    That gets them really scared :)

  14. michelle
    August 4, 2014, 3:16 pm

    .
    like most people i am concerned about injustice everywhere
    the slight of word employed by this fellow are at best weak;
    .
    “Steve Israel @RepSteveIsrael
    To those who send me angry tweets about my supporting Israel in Gaza, where’s your anguish @ deaths of 170k Syrian civilians? Why silent?”
    .
    helloooo dude it’s because you’re in Israel not Syria
    or is Israel in you the two of you are always so close it’s hard to tell
    we all know your choices suck no matter where you are
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  15. JohnWV
    August 5, 2014, 6:10 am

    All the time, the Jewish state is “defending itself” by invading neighboring countries: Israel (Mideast Jewish terrorists through today’s “Israel Defense Force”) has preemptively invaded Palestine 1948, Syria 1951, Egypt 1956, Egypt 1967, Syria 1967, Jordan 1967, Lebanon 1978, Iraq 1981, Lebanon 1982, Lebanon 1986, Lebanon 2006, Palestine 2008 and now the already besieged State of Palestine 2014.

    The Jewish state has besieged and essentially incarcerated the citizens of Palestinian Gaza for generations. Hamas arose from the inmates in response to the Jews unspeakable racist cruelty. Anything, ANYTHING, Hamas is able to do to thwart the Jews is legal, justified, and wonderful.

  16. ckg
    August 5, 2014, 11:27 pm

    Good news. Justin Amash won his primary challenge tonight to the dismay of the Israel-firsters.

    • just
      August 5, 2014, 11:30 pm

      YEAH!

      Stepping out of the box feels ‘so good’– hope he stays that way. A republican?

      • ckg
        August 5, 2014, 11:58 pm

        Amash reminds me a lot of Ron Paul. No one is going to tell him how to vote. (He doesn’t remind of Rand Paul.) His opponent ran ads saying that Amash was “al Qaeda’s best friend in Congress.”

      • just
        August 6, 2014, 12:03 am

        I already have praised him for his position on FP and for his “no” vote for arming, aiding and abetting Israel as it has devolved:

        “Foreign affairs

        Amash supports decreased U.S. military spending to help balance the federal budget. He believes there is significant waste in the military spending of the U.S. Department of Defense.

        He believes that only Congress has the power to declare war. He supports a two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

        Amash joined 104 Democrats and 16 Republicans in voting against the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).[29] Amash called it “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime”.[30] Amash has co-sponsored an amendment to the NDAA that would ban indefinite military detention and military trials so that all terror suspects arrested in the United States would be tried in civilian courts. He expressed concern that individuals charged with terrorism could be jailed for prolonged periods of time without ever being formally charged or brought to trial.[31]”
        (wiki)

        He must have listened to his father, and is cognizant of the grotesque expenditures and waste that the MIC has done to the national security of the world. I think that until and unless we get over our war-
        making and warmongering, we’ll never get into the business of saving this planet and the people who inhabit it.

      • ckg
        August 6, 2014, 12:13 am

        @just–Yes, he’s Republican in a safe GOP district. (BTW, I am neither Republican nor libertarian– I’m a left-winger, but the anti-war Republicans deserve respect. They play a role that requires backbone.)

      • just
        August 6, 2014, 12:16 am

        small steps. they count, right?

        ;)

        as to your last point, moi aussi.

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