Israel, your brand is tanking

Israel/Palestine
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Carolyn Cole photo for LA Times of boy mourning a friend in makeshift graveyard in Gaza

Carolyn Cole photo for LA Times of Ahmed Wady mourning a friend in makeshift graveyard in Gaza  City

Over the last day or so there have been more and more signs that Israel’s image is tanking due its latest massacres in Gaza. Ordinary Americans see Palestinians being “annihilated,” and they’re angry about it.

The Gallup poll that shows 2-to-1 opposition to Israel’s war among the young and the non-white is getting a lot of pickup:

“Latest Gallup poll shows young Americans overwhelmingly support Palestine.”

Salon headlines the same trend:

“Millennials are over Israel. A new generation, outraged over Gaza, rejects Washington’s reflexive support.”

CNN featured the data last night and quoted a branding expert (I believe named Martha Pearson) saying,

“Israel’s image is taking a big hit here… Israel isn’t moving into the 21st century in terms of their media.”

The realist blogger Pat Lang says Israel’s support is disintegrating around the world— as the Israelis have made clear that genocide is one of their options.

[I]t can be seen at this point that while Israel has triumphed politically and militarily at the tactical level, it is defeated at the strategic level.  Hamas yet lives and continues to resist the fire storm of air strikes, artillery bombardment and ground action.  That very steadfastness places Israel in the position of eventually having to make a choice with regard to the Palestinians between actual, serious, bargaining or extermination.  The Israeli government and populace have chosen to believe that sufficient brutal force, if widely applied, would separate the resistance from the people.  That has failed no matter how much the Israelis would like to believe otherwise.  At the same time, political support for Israel is disintegrating across the world.  This is defeat.

Notice Lang’s wise observation that the resistance will never be separated from the people? This is the lesson of Northern Ireland and South Africa; and the best response to those who chant about the rockets, the rockets.

As many have noted, liberal Zionist MJ Rosenberg has had it with Israel over the filthy justifications of slaughter: 

Hasbara, “It was Lindbergh who killed the Lindbergh baby.” “It wasn’t Booth. Lincoln killed himself.” “Julius Caesar had a heart attack.”

Hasbara: “Kennedy was speeding in Dallas. It wasn’t Oswald.”

Speaking anecdotally, my sense of US public opinion on the left is that Israel is cooked. “I have come to hate Israel,” writes one friend to me. Another, on a hike, says, “That country has no legitimacy; do you know how it was created?” A third has begun using the term Nazion instead of Zionist. How is it pronounced? I asked.

Nazion is pronounced Natz Zion, combine Nazi and Zion. That way you get the play on “nation” as well as Nazi and Zion, an aural reflection on fanatic nationalism as well. 

Yes, I saw Chris Hayes deploring the comparison of Israelis to Nazis on Twitter. The responses to him reflect enormous rage toward Israel; and as Nick Galea, a defense attorney and baseball blogger in Illinois writes sensibly: 

“I think it’s a little smarmy to ask for nuance from the people being annihilated.”

(Also, no one should be barred from considering the Holocaust’s effect on Jews. As Norman Mailer said, Hitler’s bitter posthumous achievement was to reduce Jews to the question, Is it good for the Jews?)

Michael Walzer

Michael Walzer

Even Michael Walzer, the liberal Zionist political philosopher, seems to concede that Israel might be losing. In a call arranged by Peace Now today, he repeatedly analogized Israel’s position to that of the U.S. army in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

High tech armies lose wars of this sort by killing too many civilians– as we lost, the US lost, a war in Vietnam and may be losing a war in Afghanistan. Because this kind of warfare against people who live among and fight from among the  civilian population is enormously difficult.

Walzer pronounced Israel’s strikes on homes of Hamas officials to be morally wrong. And per Pat Lang, he said that Israel could win by annihilating a population, but it can’t do that “for moral and political reasons.”

More on the left-Israel divorce. This is from two weeks back. Leftwinger Sue Katz of Arlington MA says she’s done with Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken and Bernie Sanders:

This is a break-up letter, I’m sorry to tell you. I am done with each and every one of you. Don’t come knocking at my door or my inbox. Don’t look for my support…

I could do an ABC of brutal Occupation, but you ought to already understand what is being done by a country to which you vote billions of dollars in military and other support. You three are members of one of the most powerful political bodies in the world and you should be as ashamed of yourselves as I am of you. 

Lastly, I’d point to something posted by a pro-Israel outfit. Camera is very upset that the LA Times has run a photo gallery from Gaza without any photographs of Hamas militants. Well, then, go to that slideshow, many of them photos by Carolyn Cole, like the astonishing portrait at the top of this post of a boy mourning a friend in a makeshift graveyard in Gaza City. The Israel lobby doesn’t have a clue what is happening to it.

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  1. just
    August 4, 2014, 1:12 pm

    “This is defeat.”

    Israel has delegitimized itself…I hope that DC gets the message before it’s too late.

    • Kathleen
      August 4, 2014, 2:43 pm

      don’t hold your breath

    • MRW
      August 4, 2014, 6:35 pm

      just says:
      Israel has delegitimized itself…I hope that DC gets the message before it’s too late.

      Oh no, darlin’. No. No. No. I hope DC stays dumb because they will hasten the delegitimization of Israel through their ignorance of what regular folk are thinking. By then it will be too late to convince the American people. And their standing in Congress will be cooked. How are they going to back-pedal? Israel has lost the ordinary people of this country (US).

      I’m in Calgary AB Canada right now. I’ve been listening to the hippest rock station for kids. The derision for Ezra Levant, a previous Calgary announcer (now in Toronto), who is a pro-Israel activist bordering on JDL, is palpable. It was barely concealed hatred for the man and his violent prognostications, which surprised me. This station’s audience is the 18-24 crowd. Levant wants the Calgary police chief to post pictures from a pro-Palestine rally held at City Hall two weeks ago “posted on social media” so they [meaning Levant, et al] can “identify” the perps, as he said on replay. As the people who told me about this said, ‘Yeah, so Levant and his buddies can kill them’. Most Calgarians don’t know his buddies are the JDL, based out of Toronto after the US kicked them out as terrorists over 20 years ago.

      Apparently, violence broke out at the Pro-Palestinian rally, and some wound up in hospital. Levant is denigrating the Calgary police force in the strongest language possible from his perch at SUN Media in Toronto; this does not sit well with Calgary, the richest city in Canada. The Calgarians I spoke to are saying that it was an extremist pro-Israel group that started the fights. The female anchor on the rock radio station interviewed the deputy police chief who said that the investigation is proceeding at the pace their investigations always do, and that Levant can just wait. She then said that pro-Palestinians have as much right to demonstrate for what they believe in as Ezra Levant does.

      In the replay I listened to, Levant was screaming that Jews aren’t safe in Calgary, and the police chief doesn’t care about them. “Canada is not Gaza” he yelled, “you have to protect the Jews.” Calgary has a per capita income of $91,000—the largest in Canada–and a prominent Jewish community. They’re safer here than 59th and Sixth.

      Levant held a pro-Israel rally at Calgary City Hall last Thursday (July 31). He came out from Toronto for it. SUN Media, owned by a prominent Jewish family, gave him a rousing review. I was in the area. There was a biblical-strength thunder and lightning storm over City Hall as Levant was speaking. SUN reported 900 people there. I doubt it. None of the pictures show umbrellas. And it was raining like an upside-down bathtub.

      • just
        August 4, 2014, 8:29 pm

        Thank you for all of that info!

        “There was a biblical-strength thunder and lightning storm over City Hall as Levant was speaking. SUN reported 900 people there. I doubt it. None of the pictures show umbrellas. And it was raining like an upside-down bathtub.”

        Priceless!!!

      • Pixel
        August 5, 2014, 6:44 am

        +1

      • Shingo
        August 4, 2014, 8:44 pm

        Fascinating write up MRW.

        I was living in Montreal at the time the Harper government first came to power. The guy always gave me the creeps, and frankly, I am astounded he’s still in office.

        I am astounded that given how multicultural Canada is and how many Arab immigrants there are in Canada, how Harper has gotten away with his pro Israeli mania or that the JDL have been tolerated. Canadians just don’t strike me as being so right wing. As Bill Maher once said, Canada is like one big blue state.

        What is your feeling about Harper’s chances of getting re-elected?

      • MRW
        August 4, 2014, 10:09 pm

        Shingo,

        What is your feeling about Harper’s chances of getting re-elected?

        No idea. Are they having an election? I’ll keep my ear to the ground here, and let you know. ;-)

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2014, 2:16 am

        MRW,

        I have no idea about when Canada is having elections, but I assumed they must be coming up in the next year or so.

      • Walid
        August 5, 2014, 4:30 am

        Next scheduled general elections to be held October 19, 2015 but with the Conservatives’ mad rush to nominate their candidates early (a third are already nominated), it’s looking like Harper will be calling an early election to catch the other 2 parties with their pants down. Trudeau’s Liberals will only succeed at weakening the 2nd place NDP, which would end up assuring a victory for Harper’s Conservatives. Trudeau’s party will still get my vote.

      • oldgeezer
        August 4, 2014, 11:35 pm

        I think Ezra Levant is a lot more dangerous than the JDL. His incitement is quite extreme although he’s not a muscle guy. His views are not popular up here. The network he works for has financial issues due to the lack of viewers and they’ve been trying to get on basic cable to snag a portion of the basic fees.

        The last time I looked Harper was still leading the polls. The only serious competition is Justin Trudeau (his father Pierre was PM in the early 70’s). He will win the youth vote for sure but likely won’t sweep the older groups as he’s flash without substance so far. That could change.

        In terms of the I/P I’m not sure it matters as Trudeau and the Liberals have been peddling the Israel has a right to defend itself line. I think it does too, I just don’t see their actions as remotely self defense.

        Harper is not liked. He is an economist and he has helped keep the country on a decent course financially. To quote Paul Begala (sp?) – it’s the economy stupid.

      • MRW
        August 5, 2014, 8:16 pm

        oldgeezer,

        The last time I looked Harper was still leading the polls. The only serious competition is Justin Trudeau (his father Pierre was PM in the early 70′s). He will win the youth vote for sure but likely won’t sweep the older groups as he’s flash without substance so far. That could change.

        Some of the older groups know what Trudeau did to get a Canadian Constitution (1983), and thereby a legacy. He destroyed the Canadian dollar when he declared the Ottawa-Cornwall Rule for energy. He allowed anyone east of Ottawa-Cornwall to buy oil on the spot market ($55+/barrel in those days) and everyone west of Ottawa-Cornwall had to buy at a “Made-In-Canada” price of $16/barrel from Alberta. Problem was that Alberta oil cost $24/barrel to produce–even though it is highly concentrated and makes more than 3X gas from one barrel at the refinery as a result–and the producers couldn’t make any money, so they left. The producers were basically American. Further, the shortfall in Quebec for daily oil was around 225,000 barrels/day. At 225,000 X $55, that cost came out of General Revenue. It was around $12,375,000/day. It destroyed Canada’s economy, and threw the dollar under the global bus. Trudeau did it to bring the provinces to heel, impoverish them, to accept his idea of a Constitution in 1983.

        I know all this because I got it from the insiders at the time; namely, Mitchell Sharp.

        Pierre Trudeau was cunning, cruel, and cultured. He was also cheap, and prided himself on that (with schticks like not wearing a coat when it was -20F). His son may be cultured, but he does not have his father’s intelligence. The youth of Canada vote for him at their peril. Pierre Trudeau caused great recessions in the west and the far eastern provinces for his own glory. The eastern provinces have never recovered from it. The price of oil falling below $10/barrel in 1990 helped the west.

        Trudeau Père’s other fault was in not understanding how a sovereign non-convertible currency (meaning not convertible into metal) with a floating exchange rate worked. When you have a sovereign non-convertible currency, the only entity—and I mean the only entity—that can add new financial assets to the economy is the federal government. Therefore, the government must spend; it must run a deficit when the economy is bad. Why? Because countries with a sovereign non-convertible currency with a floating exchange rate create their own money. That allows them to buy goods and services in their own currency and give people jobs without borrowing from other countries. Even though they call it “debt” (as an accounting term), it is in fact not debt to its citizens. No different than the USA, although no one understands it down here either. Everyone I talk to still thinks taxes create revenue, which is like kids believing in Santa Claus: can’t convince them otherwise.

    • In2u
      August 4, 2014, 9:21 pm

      Yair Lapid: “Let’s not kid ourselves,” he told a conference of security boffins recently in Tel Aviv. “The world listens to us less and less.”

  2. hophmi
    August 4, 2014, 1:17 pm

    “The Israel lobby doesn’t have a clue what is happening to it.”

    Believe me, they have a very good idea. They understand that it’s principally a function of social media, which is why the numbers among 18-29 differ so much from other demographic groups. But they’re used to this, and since they don’t spend their time finding new ways to hate people or invent new antisemitic terminology based on the word as Nazi as BDS proponents do, they’ll find a way to move forward.

    Younger people think the war is unjustified because they don’t like the pictures on Twitter. It doesn’t mean that they support Palestine or that they’re “over Israel,” as BDS organizer Professor David Palumbo-Liu argues (and you should credit him, rather than disingenuously suggesting that Salon Magazine holds that view). The same poll shows that people who follow the news closely overwhelmingly support Israel, shows a correlation between educational achievement and support for Israel (those with postgraduate degrees find Israel’s response justified 53-27).

    Most crucially, these polls show next to no support for the Palestinians. 11 percent think Hamas’s actions are justified. 17 percent think Palestinian actions are justified. Moreover, support for Israel from 18-34 year olds has been remarkably consistent since 2000; in 2014 it was 52%; in 2000 it was 49%. Israel retains, by far, the highest favorability ratings in the United States of any Middle Eastern country. As I’ve told you so many times, whatever misgivings people may have about Israel, they will not translate in support for the Palestinian cause unless there’s something BETTER about it than the highly attractive image Israel presents of a liberal democratic high-tech society presents.

    As usual, you’re spinning the poll results to fit your agenda, and you’re taking them out of context. The truth is that most Americans actually have a bigger view of the region than you do. And they see a group worse than Al-Qaeda taking over Iraq, massive carnage in Syria, Brutal dictatorships in Egypt and Iran, and similar trends within the Palestinian Authority. So much as the pictures on social media may make younger people squeamish (and they are doubtless a big part of polling result for younger people), you’re not going to get anywhere until this translates into actual support for Palestinians, rather than revulsion at carnage.

    • petersz
      August 4, 2014, 1:33 pm

      Well the rest of the world doesn’t seem to agree. According to a worldwide poll by the BBC 3 years ago Israel ranked one place above North Korea third from bottom in terms of popularity (Germany was most popular Iran least popular).

      I wonder if that poll was to be taken again if Israel would now be last, I’d put money on it!

      • ckg
        August 4, 2014, 2:08 pm

        @petersz: That BBC poll is annual. It was released June 3, 2014 without much publicity. The results are here: http://worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/2014/bbc_poll.php

      • Kathleen
        August 4, 2014, 2:44 pm

        thanks

      • petersz
        August 4, 2014, 5:14 pm

        But that was before the latest massacre! Oh well I’ll have to wait for next year’s poll to see if I’m right.

      • ckg
        August 4, 2014, 10:33 pm

        The BBC poll for 2014:

        The poll also finds that views of the United States have worsened around the world, led by sharp increases in negative views among citizens of Spain (up 19 points), Germany (up 18 points) and Brazil (up 15 points).

        NSA at work here.

      • Citizen
        August 4, 2014, 11:43 pm

        @ ckg
        I see Israel is fourth from the absolute bottom of the list. So, after killing all those Palestinian kids, what’s it now? US Congress sending over more free war weapons and munitions to kill non-Jewish kids–such a friend!

      • Kay24
        August 4, 2014, 4:13 pm

        Right now if the same group was polled, I’d put money on it too!

        It seems at this rate Israel will be at the bottom soon, and be eligible for the most pariah status. We should congratulate them, and remind them they will never be able to climb out of the hateful category for a long time. Well deserved.

      • Ellen
        August 4, 2014, 11:47 pm

        De Nial…. it is a long river. Works strange ways. Wanders long paths before finding it’s true destination.

      • ckg
        August 5, 2014, 12:29 am

        Eventually, we will wonder and we may ask yourselves-Well…How did we get here?

      • ckg
        August 5, 2014, 12:21 am

        It’s hard to imagine a better polling indictment than this BBC poll.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      August 4, 2014, 1:45 pm

      I too agree that there is a bit of exagerration among some here about Israel losing the PR war. However, what I don’t understand, is the thinking that because Israel is progressive on certain issues, it excuses its lack of progress on other issues, such as illegal occupation, Jews only colonization, its massacres of Palestinians, etc. A war crime is a war crime, whether its committed by Assad or Netanyahu.

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 1:53 pm

        Well, the idea is that Israel’s liberal democratic values should suggest to you that maybe there’s a reason the occupation hasn’t ended, and that that reason is not exclusively Israeli in nature. It should also cause you to pause, at least a little, before trumpeting some utopian solution to the conflict that depends on the goodwill of people who may not see things as you do, because they have little tradition of democracy or basic respect for civil liberties that Westerners take for granted, like women’s rights, gay rights, voting rights, a free press, etc.

        “I wonder if that poll was to be taken again if Israel would now be last, I’d put money on it!”

        And yes, and rather than regarding that as a triumph, you should be drawing the obvious conclusion, which is that it’s a byproduct of media saturation in Israel, and not a byproduct of any reality or truth.

      • pjdude
        August 4, 2014, 2:01 pm

        what liberal democratic values

      • piotr
        August 4, 2014, 2:54 pm

        Liberalism is about sounding nice and not standing for anything (some progress can be achieved while sitting). Israeli “values” are about sounding like fascists and standing for supremacy. So there is an increasing divergence.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 2:10 pm

        “Well, the idea is that Israel’s liberal democratic values should suggest to you that maybe there’s a reason the occupation hasn’t ended”

        Hophmi, you’ve been away a couple of days, you really should ease back into the daily grind, so you won’t make a fo…no, no use there. Anyway, you are telling us that Israel’s intransigence, or specifically, the Occupation, is the result and reflection of Israel’s liberal democratic values?
        Are you sure you don’t need a couple more days off? You don’t seem like yourself. Your mental metabolism is damn near basal, kid.

        Oh, say Hophmi, since you haven’t been around, hows about that IDF, huh? Lotta kids, huh? You watch it all on TV, catch the series of attacks?

      • just
        August 4, 2014, 2:14 pm

        “Your mental metabolism is damn near basal, kid.”

        Brilliant and true.

      • marc b.
        August 4, 2014, 2:47 pm

        yes, hopknee, it those damn internets. not the serial shredding of children with flechettes, not the calls for genocide, not the accidental-on-purpose bombings of schools and places of worship, not the spectators on their moveable couches with popcorn spectating the mayhem as if they were at a Saturday afternoon movie. it’s not the internets radicalizing youth, it’s the mere existence of some breathing space now between the truth and MSM propagandizing. per usual you have it cocked up 180 degrees from reality.

      • adele
        August 4, 2014, 3:55 pm

        Brilliantly done! The rest of us get it but the hasbara gang hasn’t moved with the times, pathetically they still think that their old talking points will work. They’re hasbaring themselves into a corner without an exit.

      • oldgeezer
        August 4, 2014, 7:42 pm

        Well done. Brilliant.

      • bilal a
        August 4, 2014, 3:11 pm

        @hophmi is on to something. “liberal democratic values’ cannot be separated from the tendency for progressives to see themselves as offering an ‘End to History’, that is a supreme set of values which will eventually overcome the backward non-progressive world. Inside this supremacy of thought is a doubtless certitude of righteousness, that is special chosen-ness, that permits one to murder your political opponents. Hence the strategic bond between secular neo-liberal Egypt and Israel, and the concurrent bombing of civilians in both the Ukraine and Gaza.

        humanitarian interventionism is not right wing nor conservative but rather in complete accord with the Israeli mindset- we are supreme in power and righteousness, and kill our opponents. The Israelis impose a racial supremacist veneer on the same progressive chosen-ness– the religious ideology of the transnational corporation in the neo-liberal order. It is this racial veneer which will eventually force Israel into a multicultural state, that is the destruction of the Jewish state, and at this time, liberals will care as much about Gazans as they do for black south africans today.

        Consequently, I have no doubt, that if they could, the Rachel Maddows of the world would round up all the orthodox religious and put them in concentration camps such as Gaza, There can be no self determination or self government for the heretics. Once the Middleast becomes a multicultural union, this is the next internal war, both There and Here.

        paraphrasing:

        If you wont come to liberal democracy, liberal democracy will come to you.
        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KIP_SIxqENc/TGq4l4HHjJI/AAAAAAAAAlM/_1V3wiSQux0/s1600/demo.jpg

      • amigo
        August 4, 2014, 3:18 pm

        “And yes, and rather than regarding that as a triumph, you should be drawing the obvious conclusion, which is that it’s a byproduct of media saturation in Israel, and not a byproduct of any reality or truth.” hopknee

        Well it worked for Israel in getting Iran to the top of the list and now Israel is undoing it,s undying efforts by slaughtering Palestinians and ensuring it topples (pun intended) Iran from its,s lofty position.

        Make your minds up Israel.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 3:27 pm

        “Well, the idea is that Israel’s liberal democratic values should suggest to you that maybe there’s a reason the occupation hasn’t ended”

        Yeah, it suggests that Israel’s voters vote for politicians that favor the settlements.

      • talknic
        August 4, 2014, 11:08 pm

        @ hophmi “Well, the idea is that Israel’s liberal democratic values “

        Uh? “The state of Israel …. will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel There’s no mention of ‘liberal’ or ‘democratic’ in the declaration
        There IS mention of a constitution, without which a government cannot be legally elected. 66 years without a legally elected Government. What a rip off!

        “should suggest to you that maybe there’s a reason the occupation hasn’t ended, and that that reason is not exclusively Israeli in nature”/em>

        A) It has always been Israel’s intention to take ALL of Palestine http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5#coveting-land
        B) Only Israel can end its occupation of non-Israeli territories

      • Citizen
        August 4, 2014, 11:50 pm

        Back in 1950, US WASPS enjoyed very full civil rights. America was truly the home of the brave, and the free–for them. Hophmi was around then?

      • Pixel
        August 5, 2014, 7:12 am

        “I too agree that there is a bit of exagerration among some here about Israel losing the PR war. “

        I disagree.

        In fact, I think “the heavens” roared so loudly that, this time, the earth shook.

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2014, 7:15 am

        I disagree. In fact, I think it’s the opposite … a BIG opposite.

        I agree. I think we haven’t even witnessed the extent to which this will destructively impact Israel’s image.

      • Justpassingby
        August 5, 2014, 7:44 am

        “I too agree that there is a bit of exagerration among some here about Israel losing the PR war”

        Fully agree, israel is winning as always, some people here seems to live on another planet.

      • gracie fr
        August 5, 2014, 7:53 am

        Gaza cease-fire could save Hamas from military collapse and Israel from PR disaster
        After the outrage sparked by the carnage in Rafah, Israel stood on the verge of the ‘Goldstonization’ of its’ Gaza campaign and on the brink of a diplomatic meltdown.

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.608970

    • Abierno
      August 4, 2014, 3:04 pm

      @Hopmi. I am a naïf as regards statistics. Could you please cite the documents with the actual statistics numbers, sample size and reference questions. Then, for those of who struggle to match statement to number – it would be very, very helpful if you could attach the actual numbers to your statements. As well as explaining exactly how Mr. Weiss takes them out of context.

      I am deeply grateful for your attention to this matter. I am looking forward to your data-based elaboration of your ideas. Giving the correlation coefficients would also be helpful e.g. “strong correlation between educational achievement and support for Israel.” Again, I would underscore my thanks for your help in this matter.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 3:09 pm

        Bbierno, take it easy! Hophmi just got back from hiding out during the worst of “Protective Edge” and he’s not quite his old self yet.
        In fact, don’t be surprised if his Ziocaine Syndrome Amnesia means we will have to fill him in on everything that’s happened in the past weeks. Because he will comment as if they never happened.

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 3:23 pm

        “Could you please cite the documents with the actual statistics numbers, sample size and reference questions. Then, for those of who struggle to match statement to number – it would be very, very helpful if you could attach the actual numbers to your statements. As well as explaining exactly how Mr. Weiss takes them out of context.”

        Here’s a link to the Gallup poll Phil is discussing:

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx?utm_source=add_this&utm_medium=addthis.com&utm_campaign=sharing#.U9F59B8t1Tc.twitter

        Phil’s gambit is to read more into the poll than it says. It is wholly incorrect to say that US youth “supports Palestine”; Phil cited an advocacy piece, not the poll, for that statement. The polling does not show that US youth support Palestine. It shows that they think Israel’s actions are unjustified. In fact, actual support for Hamas action is about 11%. It was 17% for Palestinian actions in 2002, actually.

        People with a postgraduate education found Israel’s actions in Gaza justified by 53 to 27, higher than any other group with regard to educational attainment.

        The point that I have made repeatedly is that you can turn people off from strongly supporting Israel, but turning them on to supporting the Palestinians is another matter entirely. Most of the country is really supportive of neither perspective; they’re either unengaged, or they’re on neither side. Most people don’t care, and the people that don’t care don’t tend to figure in policymaking. But of the ones that do care, the overwhelming majority support Israel.

        And if pro-Palestinian activism continues to be defined by the BDS movement, which is an outgrowth of long-marginalized leftist movements, can’t bring itself to condemn terrorism, and is characterized by angry people who won’t even engage in dialogue with those it disagrees with, it will not gain much traction here in the US.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 3:43 pm

        “Most people don’t care, and the people that don’t care don’t tend to figure in policymaking. But of the ones that do care, the overwhelming majority support Israel.”

        Well, I think that’s a roundabout way of saying that those who care in large numbers tend to come into this with a pre-conceived attitude of who the good guys are. And that’s right–that’s the Israel Lobby. People like me came into this thinking like almost everyone else, that Israel was the good guy. We changed when we found out more.

        “angry people who won’t even engage in dialogue with those it disagrees with, ”

        For the most part the pro-Israel side has done its best to shut anti-Zionists or non-Zionists out of the debate, lumping them all in with anti-Semites. And it goes further than that. No rational supporter of the 2SS would have supported Netanyahu against Obama when Obama demanded that settlement expansion stop. But Congress sided with Netanyahu. That wasn’t because they all came to the rational conclusion (most are educated, after all) that Netanyahu was right.

        But I agree that on the pro-Palestinian side people it’d be a mistake to stop listening to the other side altogether.

      • American
        August 4, 2014, 6:00 pm

        Dear hoppie…
        However, add the various totals of the Gallup poll segments—what it comes out to is around 41 % think Isr violence is justified and about 39% dont think it is justified.
        I would hardly call that overwhelming public support.

      • michelle
        August 4, 2014, 6:05 pm

        .
        as often happens people support lies until the truth is revealed
        .
        keep the faith inthat the truth will set you free
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • NickJOCW
        August 5, 2014, 3:01 am

        @hophmi
        Come, come. Being opposed to Israeli behaviour does not mean or even imply being pro Palestinian any more than being opposed to armed robbery means or implies being pro banks.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2014, 3:35 pm

        “Giving the correlation coefficients would also be helpful e.g. “strong correlation between educational achievement and support for Israel.”

        There was a poll showing that a week or two ago. I don’t think it means much, or rather, it doesn’t mean what hophmi wants it to mean. He wants this to mean that educated people support Israel because they understand the facts and can think critically–of course he wouldn’t say that about people in some country where the media hadn’t been overwhelmingly pro-Israel for generations.

        What would be interesting to find out is how much people actually know about the history of the conflict and the atrocities of all sides and where they stand knowing these things. I had a very well educated friend who used to spout the wisdom of the NYT editorial page on the I/P conflict–he wasn’t reading the Israeli revisionist historians or Edward Said or really, anybody outside the mainstream. It would not have surprised me if he had seen “Exodus”.

        There have also been studies showing that how people react to information about global warming depends not only on their educational background, but also their political leanings. So with liberals, the more education the more they think global warming is a threat. With conservatives, some studies show no correlation between education and beliefs about global warming and some actually show a negative correlation–the more educated they are, the less they believe global warming is a threat. I looked that up a week or two ago when this came up. That, of course, is a warning for us all, but at any rate, the polls hophmi refers to don’t tell us much without further information.

      • Abierno
        August 5, 2014, 11:22 am

        @Donald. You are absolutely correct. Most people have forgotten that Gallup is the group that predicted a Romney win in the 2012 election. Nate Silver statistics these are not. The sample size is very small – 1016 people, representing 50 states and DC – about 20 per state. The stratification into age and education groups, if equal (no numbers of group size given) are approximately 250 per group, again stretched across 50 states. You have approximately a consistent 20% of those surveyed stating, “No opinion” this is a high percentage for such a small sample. Trending in this data should be worrisome to Israel given the changing voting demographics in this country – women, nonwhites, individuals under 50 appear to find Israel’s actions unjustified. Both independents and Democrats find Israel’s actions unjustified by substantial percentage points. Again, group size is omitted. While this wobbly data may not translate into support for Gaza and Palestine, the trend would suggest that there are substantial subsections of the US demographic wherein Israel’s “brand” is problematic. It would also suggest that those subsections represent demographic patterns which constitute a substantial part of the electorate.

        Finally, without group size numbers the educational statistics cannot be interpreted with any degree of validity. With reference to post graduate, it would be important to note that Unjustified and No opinion constitute 47% of the responses as compared to 53 % seeing it justified – This could not be expected to produce a strong correlation coefficient.
        .

    • adele
      August 4, 2014, 4:35 pm

      Hophmi,
      I think you are missing a critical factor and that is that Israel no longer monopolizes the narrative, that privilege is long gone. There are more and more people speaking out, there is less and less inhibition to say Israel is acting criminally, and this grassroots shift has already put pressure on the media professionals who, as commercial entities, need our audience but we’re pushing back on the way they frame the stories. The media knows that they can no longer parrot the hasbara. And even if here in the States the media remains more conservative with regards to Israel, people can easily turn to other sources of information, e.g. UK media, blogs, twitter, etc.

      All of this has been devastating for Israel because they never operated under conditions in which the average person spoke back. Whether we reached a point of no return I don’t know. Whether or not Israel can manage to develop an effective PR strategy to salvage their image, that is to be seen. But right now, and moving into the future, it looks bleak for Israel. I think you need to be honest about these developments and honestly factor them into your analysis, not try to rationalize them into remission. It won’t be as easy to play the anti-semitic card, it won’t be as easy to intimidate those who challenge Israel. This is the new reality. I just hope that we use these positive developments for a better future, don’t you?

    • Frankie P
      August 4, 2014, 7:41 pm

      Hophmi is a wonderful example of the moral depravity of Israel and its right-or-wrong supporters, especially those in the Israel lobby. You see, they have no interest in asking a fundamental question that many, if not most people, ask before they take action, while acting, and when analyzing their own past actions. That question is: Is what we are doing ethical / moral / right? Is what we did ethical / moral / right? No, there is no interest in addressing this basic issue that should inform all human activity. Instead, their sole interest lies in the analysis, manipulation and manufacturing of the perception of others of their past, ongoing and planned actions. This is a sickness, for it is an admission that they are aware of the moral bankrupcy of their actions, but have no plans to make amends, nor more importantly to make changes. This is a form of collective mental illness.

      FPM

      • adele
        August 4, 2014, 11:03 pm

        Spot-on analysis! You got to the heart of the matter with this:

        “…their sole interest lies in the analysis, manipulation and manufacturing of the perception….it is an admission that they are aware of the moral bankruptcy of their actions”

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 12:02 am

        Yeah, these days, lots of little Goebbels around; it’s commonplace. Bernays too.

    • Another Steve
      August 4, 2014, 8:48 pm

      “a correlation between educational achievement and support for Israel (those with postgraduate degrees find Israel’s response justified 53-27).”

      In other words, support of Israel is an elitist opinion.

      • adele
        August 5, 2014, 10:58 am

        precisely Steve, privilege and power that doesn’t see or understand what suffering is, have never been forced to speak or live within the framework of struggle….and then are caught unguarded by the uprisings & dissent. Same story throughout history.

    • cogit8
      August 5, 2014, 1:10 am

      “most Americans actually have a bigger view of the region ”
      Actually, most Americans have the same slanted views of the region as the Wolfs Blitzers and flatline idiots of FOX news. Maybe Americans will start to connect dots when they remember all the Israeli partisans (like Thomas Friedman and Judith Miller) who pushed for the War on Iraq, and who now complain about “a group worse than Al-Qaeda taking over Iraq”.
      Massive carnage in Syria? it’s our puppet Secretaries of (the Jewish) State running around the middle east shilling for war between the Brutal sunni dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain vs. the shiite axis of Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah. Netanyahu would like to see Iran broken in the same way as Syria has been, Iraq has been, and Gaza has been. Americans are starting to connect dots, and they are not hypocrites who think some people are less than human.

  3. Kay24
    August 4, 2014, 1:27 pm

    The polls here would be corrupted. People I speak to, who have no dog in this fight are all horrified about what is happening in Gaza. No parent can see the brutality and loss of innocent lives, and NOT feel repulsed about what Israel is doing. I think the majority in the world feels this way too. Despite the desperate attempt by Israeli spokespeople to keep harping that they are under threat by occupied people, and despite the parroting of US leaders repeating the now hollow sounding excuse about Israel having the right to defend itself. Facts and numbers show exactly who urgently need protection from the 6th most powerful armed forces in the world, who use deadly weapons (some gifted by their generous uncle sam).

    This time Israel has lost the PR war (very badly) by the media coverage of their assault in Gaza, and hooray for social media. The truth is prevailing. Israel has finally shown it’s true colors and the rest of the world (except the US) finds it EVIL AND UGLY.

    • ritzl
      August 4, 2014, 1:49 pm

      In terms of a/the sponge effect, maybe a third of my twitter circle are formerly disinterested locals. Despite my numerous tweets and retweets on this, NONE have blocked or unfollowed me.

      You’re right Kay24, the truth IS prevailing. I think it’s also important that noobs may not form a hard opinion right now, but this latest slaughter by Israel generates the starting point for future, I don’t know, maybe genocide pattern recognition.

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 12:05 am

        It sure is all over Twitter. The pro-Israel tweets are there too, but not nearly as many as those supporting Palestine.

  4. Justpassingby
    August 4, 2014, 1:29 pm

    It would be strange if there wasnt pro-israel support since the media bias is still in 9/10 cases pro-israel.

    Does the average Joe even know where Israel/Palestine is on a school map?

    • Citizen
      August 5, 2014, 12:06 am

      No, Joe Blow remains ignorant.

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 10:03 am

        This morning, CSPANWJ had on the leader of a US organization concerned about the loss of moral integrity in USA; his pet hobby horse was how the US public was lied into supporting attacking Iraq, the subject of his new book. When asked by callers about Gaza, he said, “It’s complicated,” and “not his cup of tea.” He never mentioned PNAC. He did say that US has lost about 30% of the news journalists it once had. He also didn’t mention only 5 corporations control 90% of main media foreign affairs news US public gets. And of course he didn’t mention 4 of them were owned/controlled by Zionists, and the 5th is the greedy Murdoch, who is a fellow traveler since that’s where the money is.

  5. Bandolero
    August 4, 2014, 1:41 pm

    There is one thing what the recent polls don’t reflect, what I – based on my anecdotical view – assume that there is another big and very relevant change happening in the US. From what I see, a big change regarding Israel is underway in the US military establishment.

    I have no data for this yet, but from my personal social bubble it looks like that more and more US soldiers view Israel instead of an ally against Islamic terror hordes more and more as a ruthless enemy occupying US power and making US soldiers die and suffer in senseless wars for Israel, and that view is even more often to be seen among US officers.

    As I said I have not seen polling data for this yet, but my feeling is that there might be a big change underway in the US.

    • ritzl
      August 4, 2014, 1:54 pm

      Interesting. I know that in this military town it’s hard to tell if long-incubated and hardened attitudes are changing, but there is a certain receptivity to discussing this in terms of whether Israel is our ally or not.

      Money/business still rules though (Iron Dome is largely a local program).

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 12:09 am

        From what I see, educated twenty somethings yearn for a job proposal from companies like Rayethon. And they love Al Franken.

  6. LanceThruster
    August 4, 2014, 1:49 pm

    I am so bloody sick of the claim that the slaughter of innocent people by bringing down the full force of modern weaponry from every possible direction to mangle their flesh in the most horrific and violent ways is not monstrous because [we have a good reason].

  7. chuckcarlos
    August 4, 2014, 1:50 pm

    this guy Walzer is DUMB…US engagements in Afghanistan and Vietnam are in no way analogous to the genocide carried out by the Israeli Goons

    Vietnam was a dumb war…because of all things…Nguyen Ai Quoc/Ho Chi Minh quoted Tom Jefferson on the steps of the courthouse in Hanoi in 46 when he declared Independence from France…and now, years later…the Vietnamese love Americans…and hate the Chinese and French….go figure

    The history is readily apparent to anyone interested…we had our guy, the Nationalist Catholic Diem and they had their guys…who incidentally all knew each other…We had our war lord armies of over a million they had their armies…

    PERSONAL EXPERIENCE69/70/71…ALL airstrikes, ALL artillery, ALL mortar strikes had to cleared through the SOUTH VIETNAMESE…who worked in the same operation centers as the Americans….with their own maps…and the Vietnamese cleared all targets…believe it or not…Vietnamese are very careful about killing civilians, both sides…contrary to US propaganda

    Genocide and wiping out of the Vietnamese was not the idea…

    American Indians are another story…of course Custer was allied with the Crow…and the Crow were with Custer…when the Cavalry massacred Indians it was similar to Israel with the EXCEPTION, the US was allied with various Indian Tribes who wanted folks like the Sioux and Cheyenne dead

    same with Cortez…the Spaniards did not “conquer” Mexico…there were various native tribes/clans/nations allied with the Spaniards who wanted the Aztecs DEAD….

    anyway the Spaniards were very much like the Americans who could care less who they mated with…most of Mexico is mestizo…and if there are really any “true blooded” American Indians anymore I will eat my hat

    The Jewish Nazis in Israel are exactly like the Nazis of European Fame…and it figures…European Jews bring their bad habits to the MidEast…

    these “intellectuals” need to get their facts straight

    • hophmi
      August 4, 2014, 2:28 pm

      “this guy Walzer is DUMB…US engagements in Afghanistan and Vietnam are in no way analogous to the genocide carried out by the Israeli Goons”

      You’re right. In Afghanistan, the US killed about 30,000 civilians, and in Vietnam, millions died.

      “The Jewish Nazis in Israel are exactly like the Nazis of European Fame”

      Yeah, it’s the same thing, if you believe up is down and that the Holocaust didn’t happen, which maybe you do, since your statements tend to be like this:

      “all the anti semitic crap is bullshit…just tell them to go fuck themselves”

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/american-jewish-critical.html#comment-684399

      “there’s no business
      like the shoa business”

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/semitism-johansson-apartheid.html#comment-657657

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 3:02 pm

        “You’re right. In Afghanistan, the US killed about 30,000 civilians, and in Vietnam, millions died.”

        Gosh, Hophmi, the US is a terrible country, full of awful Gentiles. Good thing Israel has nothing to do with the US. It might pollute their Holy Liberal Democratic political process!

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2014, 3:11 pm

        It’s not an awful country. It’s just not as good at preserving the lives of civilians as Israel is.

        But the US is a liberal democracy, and most Americans assume the humanistic values of the US carry over into its military action. The rest of the world, not so much.

        Let me know when you’re planning to actually respond to something I actually said, Mooser. The clown act was old a while ago.

      • sligoker
        August 4, 2014, 4:26 pm

        Good point. Mooser seems to attack, and say very little when it comes to contradicting points with facts. Keep up your posts hophmi, it’s nice to see an occasional poster who actually tries to debate at a mature level.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 7:58 pm

        “Let me know when you’re planning to actually respond to something I actually said, Mooser.”

        You let me know when you are actually going to say some besides the usual Ziocaine Syndrome-addled shilling and kvetching and maybe I’ll comment on it.

        You run away while Israel is shelling hospitals and kids in Gaza, and then waltz back in like it never happened, and demand you be taken seriously? Not gonna happen, cupcake. Anyway, if it bothers you, complain to the management.

      • can of worms
        August 5, 2014, 5:35 am

        Except that the US “War on Terror” (which as you say was “not good at preserving lives”, lol) was actually orchestrated, promoted and supported by the Israel Lobby, Zionist think tanks (PNAC), Zionist policy papers (“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”), and Israeli heads of state (e.g., see Ehud Barak’s “interview on BBC an hour after 9/11 attacks”).
        Israel is implicated in the loss of life directly caused by US forces, and so what’s your point? (*BTW that loss of life also includes 7,000+ American soldiers and another 4,000+ vet suicides. There’s something like a rate of a suicide a day now among American vets.)

      • hophmi
        August 6, 2014, 11:42 am

        “You run away while Israel is shelling hospitals and kids in Gaza, and then waltz back in like it never happened, and demand you be taken seriously? Not gonna happen, cupcake. Anyway, if it bothers you, complain to the management.”

        Doesn’t bother me a bit. Several people here devote themselves to dealing with me almost exclusively, and the moderator is great about letting through every abusive comment directed toward me, no matter how non-substantive. If it really bothered me, I’d have left a long time ago.

        It says far more about you and your movement that you and several others here get your rocks off by making non-substantive clownish comments about everything I say than it says about me.

        So bring it on, clown. I’ll continue to ignore the vast majority of what you say, but if helps you feel better, go right ahead.

    • Philip Munger
      August 4, 2014, 8:16 pm

      if there are really any “true blooded” American Indians anymore I will eat my hat

      1). Please define what “true blood” is.

      2). I live in Alaska. My wife works in rural, village Alaska. We both travel there frequently, and have many Native friends. Some clans, houses and other affiliations claim to be wholly indigenous. Should I let you test them for blood purity, or do you take them at their word?

      3). What flavor is your hat?

      • just
        August 4, 2014, 8:32 pm

        Perfect, Philip!

    • Citizen
      August 5, 2014, 12:15 am

      Just saw a documentary on cable TV, one hour, showing how the handful of Spaniards were supported by lots of tribes in Mexico who had been kept down by the Aztecs.

  8. Nevada Ned
    August 4, 2014, 1:59 pm

    FWIW, I think the Israel Lobby DOES know what’s happening to it, but they just can’t stop it.

    For example, a couple of years ago, the Lobby set up an astroturf group to get the US to attack Iran. The astroturf group was exposed by blogger Richard Silverstein and others at the Electronic Intifada.

    In the current massacre in Gaza, the Lobby got a 100-0 unanimous vote of support in the US Senate and a similar vote in the House, and strong editorial support by the NYTimes and Washington Post. So the Lobby still has a lot of clout. The Israel Lobby is a foreign lobby, masquerading as a domestic lobby. The Lobby exists to serve the interest of Israel, as those interests are interpreted by the group of arrogant and deluded men around Netanyahu. [This explains the persistence of hophmi, and before him Richard Witty, as Israeli shills in the blogosphere]

    But still, the Lobby is losing. The past few weeks have shown the biggest pro-Palestinian demonstrations ever, all over the world. The horrifying images of Israel’s orgy of death and destruction in Gaza have convinced the previously neutral.

    • Kay24
      August 4, 2014, 2:33 pm

      It is obvious Israel is fully aware the world is not buying their narrative any more, but prefer to believe what they see in the media and on the internet, rather than believe the lies that do not jive with facts they are given by credible sources.
      That is why their mouthpieces keep lamenting that the sight of children being killed and injured, shown in the media, is bring them world condemnation.
      They deserve every bit of condemnation and more.

      • sligoker
        August 4, 2014, 4:27 pm

        I don’t think that the Israelis really care what the rest of the world thinks. After all, the rest of the world, historically has been so responsive to Jewish issues and has gone out of their way to assure that atrocities are avoided.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 9:03 pm

        “I don’t think that the Israelis really care what the rest of the world thinks. After all, the rest of the world, historically has been so responsive to Jewish issues and has gone out of their way to assure that atrocities are avoided.”

        Is that why Zionists think there are too many Jews, and we need to weed out the traitors to the Jewish people in our midst?

        Oh, BTW, when was the announcement that the Jews were the rest of the world’s responsibility? I must have missed that one.

      • sligoker
        August 5, 2014, 6:54 am

        A little sensitive coming from a guy who hangs out with people who dislike Jews as a “category” but avoids the topic in order to be loved.

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 12:25 am

        The Israeli leaders do care what the US Congress thinks, and AIPAC is their agent there. No matter how many dead Palestinians kids are shown on Twitter or FB, no matter how bad the US economy is, no matter the US Congress can’t agree on anything, except to pour more money and munitions into Israel. It’s not even news on the cable tv channels.

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2014, 3:49 am

        I don’t think that the Israelis really care what the rest of the world thinks.

        Of course they do, which is why their lobbies are so hard at work in states like Canada, Britain, France, Australia etc. Of course, they care the most about what the US thinks.

        After all, the rest of the world, historically has been so responsive to Jewish issues and has gone out of their way to assure that atrocities are avoided.

        Because we all know that Jewish issues should come before all others.

      • Kay24
        August 5, 2014, 8:09 am

        They care. That is why their was a flurry of spokespeople trying desperately to play the victim and lie, and why their present and former ambassadors accused CNN of showing their viewers too many videos of dead and injured children.
        Deep down, they fear the (undeserving) support they keep getting will cease, and that nations may boycott them.

    • Pixel
      August 5, 2014, 7:48 am

      .
      Someone probably already linked to this but I couldn’t find it and it’s another classic!!

      How silly of me to assume it was Israeli bombs causing all the damage in Gaza
      It’s clearly just a batch of explosive toasters

  9. Sassan
    August 4, 2014, 2:01 pm

    Too bad the polls don’t reflect your perceived reality..: http://pollingreport.com/israel.htm

    And what matters is not just youth and non-whites. What matters is everyone based on a representative sample. People who are young tend to be more to the left but when they become older they shift more to moderate levels. The Democratic party is still overwhelmingly behind Israel and self-proclaimed liberals are split. There has been no sea change in America. Again, all one has to do is to look at the totality of the polls.

    For example the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist Poll asked “When it comes to the current conflict in the Middle East, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians?” 43% Israelis, 14% Palestinians. Asked “When it comes to the current conflict in the Middle East, are your sympathies more with the Israelis or more with Hamas?”54% Israelis, 7% Hamas.

    • Shingo
      August 4, 2014, 3:15 pm

      Ah it’s the fascist Shah fan boy once again rejoicing in Muslims being massacred.

      And so he pulls out a poll by the NBC and Wall Street Journal to convince himself that his great white hope against Iran, has not become the most despised nation in Earth.

      Poor Sass. He’s bed trying so hard to get the US to bomb Iran for so many years, and his wet dream if seeing Iran destroyed is fading.

      Look at the bright side Sass, you can always cheer lead ISIS.

      And what matters is not just youth and non-whites. What matters is everyone based on a representative sample.

      Wrong dufus. The reason the Republicans were starting at political irrelevance in last elections is because of their failure to win votes among the non white and youth.

  10. Mooser
    August 4, 2014, 2:05 pm

    “Hitler’s bitter posthumous achievement was to reduce Jews to the question, Is it good for the Jews”

    I would say it’s more likely Hitler’s bitter posthumous achievement was damaging us so much we could no longer answer that question in any realistic way.

    Or are you talking about that long-lost portrait of Sigmund Freud attributed to Alois Schicklgruber?

    • Citizen
      August 5, 2014, 10:15 am

      Maybe we should reread the HAMAS charter in full, then the Likud Party Platform, then Hitler’s Last Political Will & Testament? Gotta say, none of them are very pretty. Whatever, as the kids say, there’s no question the state of Israel was accepted due to Goy Guilt, and same state will eventually be erased due to Goy guilt. Irony is Jewish stand-up comedians keep telling us Jews have a monopoly on guilt. Go figure.

      • Mooser
        August 6, 2014, 11:30 am

        “Maybe we should reread the HAMAS charter in full, then the Likud Party Platform, then Hitler’s Last Political Will & Testament?”

        “Candy” by Terry Southern is a lot better, and there’s lots more action. I recommend it.

  11. American
    August 4, 2014, 2:21 pm

    Re: the Nazi thing

    Israel, Genocide, and the ‘Logic’ of Zionism In our Bizarro World, “Judeo-Nazism” is for real http://original.antiwar.com/justin

    This is a meme that could pick up steam.
    I dont approve of it and I would not accept this as demonizing meme for a movement against zionism– but one thing that Israel and the zionist are doing is in fact promoting Judeo-Nazism except as Judeo-Zionism.
    And while they are practicing and promoting this Judeo -Nazism in Israel what they and their US media promote in the US is the deceptive Jews as victims ‘defense’ when in fact what Israel does and zionist arrange for it to do is a ‘deliberate offensive war’ against Palestine because they are still intent on Greater Israel and being the ME power.

    This gentile genius said long ago not to bring religion into this,–religion is emotionally explosive, not rational, not to insult and slur the christian mainstream moral stand on Palestine or they would turn against you.
    I do not know what can be done about the use of Judeo-zionism(nazism) in Israel but I am telling US religious Jews they have to get the Judaism link out of this one way or another.

    • Citizen
      August 5, 2014, 10:22 am

      Problem is Israel was legitimized in the world (mostly not Jewish) by Goy guilt, and it will be delegitimized by the same impulse, as soon as America main media decides to give Dick & Jane objective contextual information. A dual citizen American-Israeli justifies genocide in the Israeli press, and even after he takes his article down due to spontaneous uprising of informed, righteous folks, the same Israeli press pushes his purpose forward: http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/08/04/raimondo-israel-genocide-and-the-logic-of-zionism/

      All this goes right over the head of Dick and Jane.

      • hophmi
        August 6, 2014, 11:35 am

        You mean that there are extremists in Israeli society? So, we’re judging societies by their most extreme elements now? I’ve never seen you do this with regard to the Palestinians. The equivalent would be the suggestion that all Palestinians subscribe to the tenets of Al-Qaeda.

  12. just
    August 4, 2014, 2:29 pm

    “Could the Obama administration’s criticism of Israel during its military operation in the Gaza Strip be driving American Jews away from the Democratic Party? Some Republicans believe so.

    According to a report in The Hill, Conservatives say the Obama administration’s stance on the Israel-Gaza crisis has “created an atmosphere of skepticism in the Democratic base toward Israel.”

    The report describes two July polls that could support such an assertion: A Gallup survey that found 31 percent of Democrats believed Israel’s actions against Hamas were justified, while 65 percent of Republicans agreed; and a Pew poll that asked people which side was most to blame for the violence, to which Democrats were split evenly (29 percent said Hamas and 26 percent blamed Israel) while the clear majority of Republicans blamed Hamas (60 percent, as compared to 13 percent who blamed Israel). ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.608832

    What “criticism”?????

    • Kay24
      August 4, 2014, 2:36 pm

      Yes what criticism? From the inception, we have heard that Israel has the right to defend itself, the whispers about Israel being careful to avoid civilian casualties, and the US eagerly giving Israel MORE ammunition to kill more babies.

      What criticism? Are they living on another planet?

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 10:28 am

        Dunno, what’s clear is the first thing out of the mouth of anybody in US main media is Israel has right to defend itself. Nobody starts off at the gate that Palestinians have the right to defend themselves (even if only with puny rockets & no $8.5 Million dollars a day free weapons). You’d think the Israeli Jews were the one’s occupied and daily victimized. Dick & Jane remain ignorant, but maybe, thanks to the internet and Gaza carnage, POVs are slowly changing?

    • Sand
      August 4, 2014, 6:52 pm

      “Could the Obama administration’s criticism of Israel during its military operation in the Gaza Strip be driving American Jews away from the Democratic Party? Some Republicans believe so.

      I wouldn’t put much stock in that comment, probably a Matthew Brooks quote? Jewish Zionists are well represented in the Democratic Party, and and are in positions of power. Most American Jewish Zionists I believe are waiting patiently for Hillary to throw her hat into the ring — at that point they will be celebrating for days…

  13. Kay24
    August 4, 2014, 2:29 pm

    I got this comic relief from an article on Huffpost. They show Hannity and other buffoons exhibiting idiocy, concern for their “hebrew brothers”, 3000 rockets, all the usual ignorance once can expect from Faux News. The strange part is you begin to agree with Geraldo Rivera.
    A strange experience. The clowns are funny.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/sean-hannity-russell-brand-response-geraldo_n_5637081.html

  14. Kathleen
    August 4, 2014, 2:50 pm

    A shift is clearly taking place since more accurate information is making it through the msm. But reality on the ground for Palestinians continues to be brutal. Does Israel care about their image “tanking”… clearly not. Although pressure is building. Callers into Washington Journal are tilting towards compassion and justice for Palestinians. When will this shift of consciousness manifest into justice on the ground for the Palestinians?

    Still we see inaccurate maps up, repeated “Israel has a right to defend itself” no mention of internationally recognized borders, no mention that Palestinians have a right to defend themselves or internationally recognized borders, Hamas demonized over and over again. No mention of how illegal settlements have destroyed the idea of a two state solution.

  15. PeaceThroughJustice
    August 4, 2014, 2:51 pm

    Hophmi has a point. After all, I remember we were saying the same thing right after Cast Lead — that this time Israel has gone too far, the tipping point has been reached, people are waking up, etc., etc. But last week’s Senate vote was still unanimous in its support for Israel.

    Someone once said (I can’t remember who, Frank Luntz?) that when it comes to foreign relations, the masses take their opinions from the elites. Domestic issues they can experience to at least some extent directly and see the effects of policy on their pocketbooks. But the exterior world comes to them almost completely pre-digested through the media. (Think of the current hysteria over Russia and the evil Putin.) So I say nothing’s going to change until the ownership of our media changes.

    • seafoid
      August 4, 2014, 3:02 pm

      Israel can’t change. So maybe ok this time. But for the next 20 years including the collapse of the system in Gaza? The french magazine le canard enchaine ran a diplomatic view of the situation last week. German foreign minister asked the Yanks how they are supposed to tell the Gazans that it is in their interest to disarm. Israel is increasingly seen in Europe as intransigent and fucking nuts. That hebrew view of gazans as subhuman is really showing now. And people notice it.And BDS will soon be over all of Israel. Not just YESHA.

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2014, 3:05 pm

      Someone once said (I can’t remember who, Frank Luntz?) that when it comes to foreign relations, the masses take their opinions from the elites.”

      It was either him or Phil Weiss, in one of his articles.

    • crone
      August 4, 2014, 3:55 pm

      I disagree… Luntz’ policy was formed before the observed impact of social media…

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2014, 8:00 pm

        “I disagree… Luntz’ policy was formed before the observed impact of social media…”

        No wonder I was confused. I hadn’t thought of the social-media aspect.

    • gracie fr
      August 4, 2014, 5:13 pm

      …”After all, I remember we were saying the same thing right after Cast Lead — that this time Israel has gone too far…….”
      @PeaceThroughJustice, this is of some concern to me as well especially since Netanyahu and his talking horse Marc Regev have been playing the “Terrorism” trump card and “ Moral army protecting the civilian population” (not hard to figure out which civilian population they mean) since the cows left the barn for the field.
      Going on 13 years after 9/11, the younger generation of under 30s have perhaps come to the realization that the United States and Israel excel in daily reminders of how Jihadi forces are threatening national security at every turn of the road. The rest of the world doesn’t live that way. They also may have figured that Israel and the US have totally disregarded the Geneva Convention and attempted to redesign International Human Rights Law to conveniently suit their needs (on torture, detention without trial, asymmetry/ disproportionate use of force and targeted assassinations) in battling enemy terrorists.
      Many of these radical changes originated in Israel and were cemented in the “IDF Code of Conduct “under the philosophical and ethical tutelage of Asa Kasher and Major General Amos Yadlin who contributed to the volume with on point observations from the field …..
      “A new model of warfare — the counter-terrorism war — requires a new set of rules on how to fight it. The other side, as non-state belligerents, is fighting outside the rules and we have to create new ethical rules for the international law of armed conflict. The duty of the state is to defend its citizens. Any time a terrorist gets away because of concerns about collateral damage, we may be violating our main duty to protect our citizens. We look for alternatives so as not to cause collateral damage, or to cause the minimum amount of collateral damage, but the main obligation is to defend our citizens. . .” Ethical Dilemmas in Fighting Terrorism Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin

      The question is then, can we put the genie back in the bottle….????

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 12:37 am

        Bill Clinton recently said he could have taken out Al Quaida’s key guy back in the day but he would have also killed a bunch of civilians, so he chose not to because that would make him as bad as the bad guy.

    • alfa
      August 4, 2014, 6:33 pm

      Cast Lead was a tipping point thanks to what the reporting got through via the internet, it was not the MSM who reported the barbarity, however enough people learned enough to begin a change, to learn more and polarize them.
      This latest blood bath is being covered by MSM and reaching and changing more minds, more people will wake up. As an antidote example, the reception of the public to our demonstrations supporting BDS was not very warm, with heckling, and the concept too far from general understanding to interest many to learn more, now our marches gather mostly thumbs up and other signs of approval and understanding. It will take time for the results of this blood bath to show, but the lies Israel is based upon are being exposed which will lead to the downfall of Zionist colonialism, faster than is apparent to day.

  16. seafoid
    August 4, 2014, 2:57 pm

    95 UN installations in Gaza attacked and at the AIPAC conf there will be calls to stop funding UNRWA. It is time to look again at what Marek Edelman wrote about Zionism.

    • hophmi
      August 4, 2014, 3:09 pm

      There will be calls, but AIPAC will never take the position that Congress should defund UNRWA.

      • adele
        August 4, 2014, 4:41 pm

        “…AIPAC will never take the position that Congress should defund UNRWA” – Hophmi

        because then Israel will have to take responsibility for the people they occupy (per International Law)….but once again, someone else is paying Israel’s bill.

    • crone
      August 4, 2014, 10:50 pm

      I watched a video by Alison Weir tonight —- highly recommend it – learned things I didn’t know about zionism.

      • oldgeezer
        August 5, 2014, 12:08 am

        wow… I will need to finish watching it tomorrow. 91 children killed by a shot to the head. Staggering. Hopefully there won’t be another massacre when I wake up. Thanks for sharing it.

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 1:13 am

        Thanks for sharing, crone. Weir’s one wonderful woman. If Americans knew… How do you even get them interested?

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 1:56 am

        I didn’t know that the history book chain in USA is Zionist controlled. I bet even David Duke doesn’t know it. I did know that Zionists got the doughboys into WW1 fighting to save England & the quid pro quo was Balfour Declaration (& we all know WW2 was created by Versailles Treaty).

      • bilal a
        August 5, 2014, 8:19 am

        Frankfurter and Brandeis were both secret active traitors sitting on the supreme court . amazing.

      • Citizen
        August 5, 2014, 10:40 am

        @ bilal a
        Yeah. When I was in law school Frankfurter and Brandeis were treated as Gods. Actually, they were traitors.

      • hophmi
        August 6, 2014, 11:33 am

        “Frankfurter and Brandeis were both secret active traitors sitting on the supreme court . amazing.”

        And you wonder why Jews find the pro-Palestinian movement to be antisemitic. You pick prominent Jews from the past and call them traitors for advocating the liberation of their people from oppression.

        Disgusting.

  17. W.Jones
    August 4, 2014, 4:04 pm

    Phil’s article mentions Al Franken and others. Here is an article about that;

    Noam Chomsky vs. Al Franken: Behind the odd progressive divide between senators, intellectuals on Gaza

    For many outside the U.S. Senate, the discovery that even progressive stalwarts such as Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Al Franken, D-Minn., voted for the resolution is more than disappointing. It does more than confirm U.S. Senate support for Israel. It pushes that statement beyond any rational or ethical or moral framework imaginable.

    The resolution not only gave the green light to the invasion—it gave the IDF a high-five and armaments as they crossed the intersection. All this after more than 400 civilians already had been killed by Israeli forces, the vast majority of them children. It was as if that bloodshed were not of a sufficient quantity.

    Salon.com

    • Citizen
      August 5, 2014, 10:42 am

      Yeah, my own family younger folks have enlisted in Zionist killing. I am frustrated.

  18. just
    August 4, 2014, 4:26 pm

    click on the link to see something beautiful!

    “Palestine flag flies over Scots town in support of the suffering people of Gaza

    WEST Dunbartonshire Council unfurled the banner at the top of their buildings in the centre of Dumbarton to raise awareness of people’s suffering.

    Mick Napier, of the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said: “West
    Dunbartonshire continue to lead where other local authorities should follow. The council implemented a boycott of Israel during the last huge massacre in 2008-9.

    “Their decision to fly the Palestine flag is yet again showing the way. We hope others will follow suit. It is the least councils can do during a time like this – of massacre and apparent genocide.””

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/palestine-flag-flies-over-scots-3940647

    • globalconsciousness
      August 5, 2014, 9:00 am

      What a beautiful site indeed; wish we saw such brave gestures of solidarity in public
      spaces here…
      I like to think those white flags on brooklyn bridge are peace flags…wishful thinking perhaps…

  19. Nevada Ned
    August 4, 2014, 5:39 pm

    Michael Walzer has been a supporter of Israel for decades. So if even he can’t support Israel’s massacre of the Palestinians, the world really has changed.
    Walzer supported Operation Peace in Galilee (Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982) as justified by Just War theory, on which he has written a lot.
    Walzer also supported Operation Cast Lead (Israel’s 2008-9 invasion of Gaza).
    I haven’t checked out every war Israel has ever waged, but in general Walzer supports Israel down the line.
    The latest copy of Dissent (edited for a long time by Walzer) has an editorial by new editor and historian Michael Kazin, in which (surprise!) Kazin does NOT support Israel’s attack on Gaza. Instead, Kazin is even-handed (between oppressed and oppressors), which for Dissent magazine is an advance.
    Walzer was a graduate student of Irving Howe, founding editor of Dissent. Norman FInkelstein’s research found that Irving Howe was mostly indifferent to Israel before 1967, but became an ardent Zionist after 1967. The National Lampoon published a parody edition of the New York Review of Books many years ago (but after 1967), in which Irving Howe was identified as “an ardent opponent of all wars, except those against Arabs”.

    In short…. Walzer is beating a retreat, refraining from indulging his first instinct to support Israel no matter what. That really IS big news. The world really is changing.

    A useful comparison of the present Israeli massacre is with the bloody Soviet suppression of the Hungarian uprising in 1956. The Soviets scored a military victory, but suffered a political and moral defeat.

  20. just
    August 4, 2014, 6:03 pm

    “The Spanish government decided to temporarily freeze arms and military technology exports to Israel over the offensive in the Gaza Strip, the Spanish daily El Pais reported on Monday.

    Spain is the second country to announce sanctions over arms sale to Israel in the past 24 hours, after Britain said it was reviewing all arms export licenses to Israel. A similar move was taken by the British government after Operation Cast Lead in 2009.

    The decision to freeze weapons exports from Spain to Israel was reached on Thursday, during a session of the inter-ministerial committee on arms manufacturing. Committee members include officials from the Prime Minister’s Office, Economy Ministry, Foreign Ministry, Defense Ministry and the Finance Ministry.

    Arms exports from Spain to Israel are fairly limited. In 2013, weapons sale was 5 million euro – 1 percent of all Spanish security exports. Spain provides Israel with missile parts, fuses from hand grenades, mortar parts, electro-optical equipment and fire control systems.

    Spanish officials told El Pais, however, that the purpose of the move was sending Israel a diplomatic signal. The decision will be reviewed again at the next committee session in September. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.608900

    Viva Palestina! Olé!

    • Kay24
      August 4, 2014, 8:50 pm

      Some nations have the courage to send the occupier a message that it condemns it’s brutality. The US is certainly not one of them, in fact they do the opposite and send them MORE weapons to continue the slaughter.

  21. just
    August 4, 2014, 7:05 pm

    Boycott Garnier! story @ link via Susan Abulhawa’s twitter:

    “All Garnier products in my house are in the garbage now. Apparently that stuff is good for washing war crimes.”

    https://twitter.com/sjabulhawa/status/496418730893516801

    • Bandolero
      August 4, 2014, 7:24 pm

      Boycott Garnier! story @ link via Susan Abulhawa’s twitter

      “All Garnier products in my house are in the garbage now.”

      I’m shocked. I couldn’t imagine that Susan Abulhawa had any Garnier products in her home.

      I have definitely none of any of L’Oreal’s brands in my home. That firm is known for long to be a major rabid Zionist company, and all it’s products are completely avoidable.

      And no, I have none of Ronald Lauder’s products in my home neither.

  22. ckg
    August 4, 2014, 8:17 pm

    The Israel brand may be tanking on the left, but it is soaring on the right. The Facebook page for Christians United for Israel has 1.2 million likes, whereas Mondoweiss has 11 thousand likes, Jewish Voice for Peace has 174 thousand likes, Electronic Intifada has 89 thousand, I Acknowledge Apartheid Exists 85 thousand.

    • globalconsciousness
      August 5, 2014, 9:03 am

      Chuck listen up; J’adore Mondoweiss, Electronic Intifada etc, but I DON’T like Facebook, so your stats are not reflective of reality…

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      August 5, 2014, 10:23 am

      We have do much work to do here in America. The Christian Zionists are worse than the Jewish Zionists, and rather ignorant.

  23. Citizen
    August 5, 2014, 12:49 am

    Likud Party Platform: Excerpt:
    1. Declaration of a Palestinian State: A unilateral Palestinian declaration of the establishment of a Palestinian state will constitute a fundamental and substantive violation of the agreements with the State of Israel and the scuttling of the Oslo and Wye accords. The government will adopt immediate stringent measures in the event of such a declaration.

    2. Settlements: The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria [West Bank] and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

    3. The Permanent Status: The overall objectives for the final status with the Palestinians are: to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians on the basis of a stable, sustainable agreement and replace confrontation with cooperation and good neighborliness, while safeguarding Israel’s vital interests as a secure and prosperous Zionist and Jewish state.

    4. Self-Rule: The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan River. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs.

    4. Jerusalem: Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem, including the plan to divide the city.

    5. The Jordan River as a Permanent Border: The Jordan Valley and the territories that dominate it shall be under Israeli sovereignty. The Jordan River will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel. The Kingdom of Jordan is a desirable partner in the permanent status arrangement between Israel and the Palestinians in matters that will be agreed upon.

    6. Security Areas: The government succeeded in significantly reducing the extent of territory that the Palestinians expected to receive in the interim arrangement.

  24. Citizen
    August 5, 2014, 12:53 am

    You think Kerry has read the Likud Party Platform? Talk about the HAMAS charter….

  25. crone
    August 5, 2014, 1:27 am

    ISRAEL CAUGHT IN ITS OWN LIES

    The Rafah events are also outstanding in demonstrating how the Israeli genocidal campaign has nothing to do with preserving the lives of Jews, not even of its own soldiers. It is rather a desperate case of racist “white supremacy” going psychotic.

    In the bloody genocidal Israeli rampage against Gaza’s people – the massacre in the city and refugee camp of Rafah on the southern end of the Gaza strip was the worst, and it still continues. Just as I write this line on Monday morning (August 4, 2014), Israel declared a humanitarian ceasefire – but it will not include Rafah. So the people of Rafah will not be allowed even to dig their dead from under the ruins or treat the wounded or get some water to drink.The Rafah massacre is also the most extreme proof of the “world community”, led by the US and the UN, active encouragement and support for the Israel’s war crimes. As you may remember, on Friday morning, August 1, a 72 hour ceasefire in Gaza had to start. About two hours after it started, Israel announced that a unit of its army was attacked by “a suicide bomber”, killing two soldiers, and that one soldier was held by the Palestinian militants.Just as the news came, Barack Obama went on the air to adopt the Israeli version of events, denounce Hamas acts in strong words that he never used for the killing of more than a thousand Palestinian civilians, including 400 children. He went on to wonder whether Hamas can ever be trusted to make a ceasefire. The UN secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, trying to outdo his bosses in Washington, said the Hamas attack was “likely to have very serious consequences for the people of Gaza” – actually encouraging the Israelis to go farther in the ongoing massacre.

    Lies exposed

    In an article in the Israeli Haaretz today, published in different versions in English and Hebrew, Gili Cohen brings some details from the IDF (The Israeli Army) internal inquiry about what happened on Friday morning.The most important lines may be the small print, and don’t be astonished if they will disappear sometime soon. They say: “… a Givati Brigade patrol came under heavy fire while moving toward a building where a tunnel shaft was located.” So, according to the IDF itself, it was the Israeli patrol itself that advanced toward the area held by the Palestinian militants, clearly breaching the ceasefire agreement!The report goes on to say that “Contrary to earlier reports, however, the inquiry concluded that the terrorist who came nearest the three soldiers wasn’t wearing a suicide belt, but simply continued firing his rifle until he was killed.”It is typical that at the heights of the battle people exaggerate and public relations officers paint a picture that suits their purpose… But what will Obama and Ban Ki-moon say now to the relatives of the hundreds of people that died in the massacre that they have so enthusiastically encouraged?

    The Hannibal Procedure

    The Rafah events are also outstanding in demonstrating how the Israeli genocidal campaign has nothing to do with preserving the lives of Jews, not even of its own soldiers. It is rather a desperate case of racist “white supremacy” going psychotic.The main argument underlying the severity of the attack on the Givati patrol in Rafah was the Israeli “fear” that one of its soldiers was captured by the resistance.Haaretz goes on to report:……

  26. mikeo
    August 5, 2014, 5:52 am

    In addition to David Milibands recent statement:

    But the prime minister is wrong not to have opposed Israel’s incursion into Gaza and his silence on the killing of hundreds of innocents Palestinians civilians caused by Israel’s military action will be inexplicable to people across Britain and internationally.”

    This seems like a fairly significant development in the political climate as regards Israel in the UK:

    Lady Warsi resigns over government’s ‘morally reprehensible’ stance on Gaza

    Lady Warsi is a Foreign Office minister and a fairly senior member of the Conservative government.

    Our position not to recognise Palestinian statehood at the UN in November 2012 placed us on the wrong side of history and is something I deeply regret not speaking out against at the time.

  27. Trev
    August 5, 2014, 9:41 am

    Has anyone seen the ‘reports’ of a photo circulating where it alleges that Hamas and a group called ‘Free Palestine’ are using a pic of the murder scene at the Fogel family home and pretending it’s a scene from Gaza for ‘propaganda’ purposes?

    So i’m wondering why with all the dead children in Gaza would Hamas or any other group put out a pic such as this that is so easily checked?

    I smell the Hasbara brigade at work.

    Does anyone have the savvy on how to track down the origins of where the pic first surfaced with the Palestine flag and Free Palestine logo?

    • Annie Robbins
      August 5, 2014, 11:24 am

      trev, we don’t link to hate sites here so i removed your link which claims the source as another hate site (jawa report). it also claimed ” a picture of the murdered Israel Fogel family doctored by Free Palestine”, which you repeat only w/quotemarks.

      however, there’s nothing on the photo which implies any ‘group’ made the image, just a flag that says free palestine on it, which anyone could have made. it’s a saying, after all.

      So i’m wondering why with all the dead children in Gaza would Hamas or any other group put out a pic such as this that is so easily checked?

      why would you wonder that? why not wonder why a hate site would claim, against all odds, something so ridiculous.

      and, fyi, a flag w/free palestine on it is not the logo of the freepalestine movement.

      and to answer your last question, i would recommend google drop http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en

      just scroll the photo over the screen which opens up and drop the photo in there. it will show you all the places it has been published before.

  28. Citizen
    August 5, 2014, 11:14 am

    No question in my mind that Bibi N is the successor to Hitler. Difference is the US mainly did not support or fund Hitler, but Dick and Jane do support Bibi. Why? I say it’s because of the US political campaign finance system. I see no change in it. I see more SCOTUS support of it. Americans are painting a target on their backs by the day–well, good for them; irony is Zionists laugh at them in private.

  29. Carioca
    August 5, 2014, 8:11 pm

    “I have come to hate Israel,” writes one friend to me.

    I started to despise Israel around 1980 when I was an undergraduate in college in Philadelphia. It quickly turned into a burning intense hatred when I studied more and more about Palestine. But I’ve always been afraid to say it in public anywhere I went.

    This month I’ve seen so many people on social media and in casual real world conversations — none of them political radicals, just ordinary Americans with vaguely liberal or conservative views — come out with statements like “Israel is disgusting” and “I never thought I’d feel such hatred for any country, I didn’t even hate Afghanistan this much after 9/11.” They’ve been shocked by what they’ve seen and read and heard on TV and social media.

    I have no idea what all this means and I’m very skeptical about anything changing dramatically any time soon-I’m just saying I’m seeing a lot more open opposition to Israel from ordinary people who never before had anything to say about the country except vague slogans about its “right to exist” etc.

    • Mooser
      August 6, 2014, 11:36 am

      I’ve despised Israel since the 67′ war. I was 1-A for the American draft (Viet Nam) and people were telling me I should join the IDF, too? I did not want to die a virgin! Of course, now I see how foolish that notion was.

  30. Vera Gottlieb
    August 6, 2014, 5:18 am

    The world stood by and did nothing while Hitler was massacring Jews in the 20th century. Now most of the world refuses to stand by idly and remain quiet while Zionists are massacring Palestinians. Hitler did it all at once; Zionists are applying the ‘salami’ tactic – one pile of ‘telegenic’ corpses at a time. Netanyahu and his extreme right-wing government will be the undoing of israel.

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