Air strikes and rocket fire resume as Gaza negotiations collapse

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A Palestinian woman sits on the remains of her destroyed house after returning to Beit Hanoun town. (Photo: Reuters)

A Palestinian woman sits on the remains of her destroyed house after returning to Beit Hanoun town. (Photo: Reuters)

Hours before a ceasefire was set to expire between Israel and Hamas, negotiations in Cairo have collapsed and rockets and air strikes have resumed. A deal on the status of Gaza or an extension of talks was expected at midnight tonight. However the Israeli delegation in Egypt has been sent back to Tel Aviv.

Screen Shot 2014-08-19 at 7.21.34 PMAt 4:30pm today the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) announced via Twitter that the ceasefire had ended because of three rockets fired toward Beersheva. “In response to today’s rocket fire, we have begun striking terror targets in the Gaza Strip,” said the IDF Spokesman. The Israeli delegation in Cairo was then sent home and there are no immediate plans for when they will return to indirect negotiations with Hamas. “At the moment the only decision was to take them back,” said the Prime Minister’s spokesperson Mark Regev.

Although Al Jazeera reported a spokeperson for Hamas said it was still unclear if the group or other armed factions in Gaza had fired the initial rockets. Yet an hour after Israel’s statement al-Qassam, Hamas’s armed-wing in Gaza tweeted an understanding of sorts that they had ceded from Israel’s “quiet returned with quiet” policy. “If Netanyahu did not understand well the message and the demands of #Gaza through the language of politics in Cairo, we know the way that persuade them to understand” said al-Qassam on their Arabic language account.

In the afternoon Israel carried out 20 strikes on Gaza, mostly in the north wounding five, including three children, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health. An additional five rockets were fired from Gaza, one of which fell inside of the Gaza Strip. No casualties have been reported on either side. Still the renewed bombings into Gaza have sent Palestinians rushing back to shelters. While last week UNRWA schools housed 180,000 displaced persons, today the number has raised back up to the 240,000 persons, where it stood during the height of the ground invasion.

This latest ceasefire was the eleventh in a series of pauses since Israel’s Operation Protective Edge started over six weeks ago. It was a 24-hour extension tagged onto the tail end of a five-day ceasefire. Israeli and Palestinian leaders were poised to come to an agreement on scaling back aspects of Gaza’s blockade, namely the movement of goods and peoples through the land crossings with Israel. While Palestinians were initially hopeful to re-open their seaport, which would allow Gaza access to an international trade market, an Israeli official said last week that was off of the table. “Maritime is left to the final status,” said Minister of Intelligence Yuval Steinitz at a press briefing last Wednesday.

Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge 2,016 Palestinians have been killed along with 67 Israelis, 64 of which were soldiers.

 

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  1. Rebekkah
    August 19, 2014, 2:45 pm

    I’m wondering if anyone has heard a recent story that the Shin Bet has uncovered a plot by Hamas to overthrow Abbas — with rockets secreted all over Israel. This was forwarded to me yesterday and appears in Jewish and Israeli newspapers — Jerusalem Post but not HaAretz– but I haven’t seen it anywhere else and wonder if there is any truth to it.
    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/shin-bet-busts-hamas-plot-for-terrorist-attacks-and-coup-to-oust-abbas/2014/08/18/

    • Donald
      August 19, 2014, 3:06 pm

      I’ve seen this online, but can’t recall where. It seems a little whacky. Maybe some dissident group wanted to try this, or maybe the Israelis have tortured enough prisoners to build up a false story.

      From your link there’s this–

      “Police, soldiers and security personnel uncovered more than $175,000 during the arrests and found 24 rifles, six revolvers, seven rocket launchers and huge amounts of rifle cartridges and bullets.”

      Not exactly the sort of arsenal I’d expect if one wanted to overthrow a government, not even a pseudo-government like the PA. One could probably take some shots at settlers.

    • Kay24
      August 19, 2014, 4:24 pm

      Anything is possible, and at this time nothing should be believed until there is clarity coming out of the source. It also could be a ploy by Bibi and the Israelis to
      try and fracture the Unity Government, and cause a rift between factions.
      After all it seems one of the reasons for this unnecessary war, was Bibi looked a loser when this Unity government was announced, and many nations including the US, was willing to work with them. Bibi had his usual tantrum, and waged this war to try to break it. He still looks like a loser after killing nearly 2000 civilians.

  2. ThorsteinVeblen2012
    August 19, 2014, 2:48 pm

    I cannot look at pictures such as the one shown in this article and not feel disgust and anger.

    Who are these sadistic people who know exactly what they are doing and cynically manipulate the story so they they appear to be the victims?

    How can people like Hillary Clinton who knows what is helping to perpetrate the lies just to further her own ambitions for fame and power?

    The weight of seeing the evil in people’s hearts is overwhelming.

    • Kay24
      August 19, 2014, 4:27 pm

      Isn’t it rather sad to see that young lady sitting on the rubble that used to be her home looking depressed and helpless?

      As for Clinton and our Congress – I have no respect for those who keep justifying this carnage, and lose their sense of morality while doing so. They are shameless.

  3. jon s
    August 19, 2014, 2:51 pm

    The number of Palestinians killed , according to B’tselem’s preliminary data is 1767:

    http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20140812_preliminary_data_on_fatalities

    • Donald
      August 19, 2014, 3:08 pm

      Um no. They say at least that many killed and that the data is preliminary.

      • Kay24
        August 19, 2014, 4:40 pm

        We also have to keep in mind that some would be seriously injured and may succumb to their injuries. The number might be higher.

    • tree
      August 19, 2014, 4:26 pm

      Direct quote from your B’Tselem link, jon:

      The figures B’Tselem collected regarding the number of Palestinians killed in the course of the fighting in the Gaza Strip are very preliminary and incomplete, and are still being cross-referenced and checked. In addition, we have not included certain incidents in these figures because neither the precise number of people killed nor their identity is yet known to B’Tselem. This situation is partly because not all bodies have been extricated from the rubble and identified. In the months ahead, B’Tselem plans to further investigate the incidents, including confirming the identity of the individuals killed and whether or not they took part in the hostilities. According to the spokesperson for Gaza’s Ministry of Health, 1,939 Palestinians have been killed from the launching of the Israeli offensive through 10 August 2014.

      And Donald’s correct, BTselem uses the words “at least 1767”. Funny how you can’t even properly read your own link.

    • Bumblebye
      August 19, 2014, 6:59 pm

      Ma’an yesterday had the number at 2016.

  4. chet
    August 19, 2014, 3:02 pm

    The overthrow of the quisling Abbas and the Vichy collaborationist PA, always complicit in IDF efforts to quash Palestinian dissent, would be a welcome outcome — perhaps a Palestinian leader with the fortitude to vigorously confront the Israelis might emerge.

  5. seafoid
    August 19, 2014, 3:46 pm

    “We have begun striking terror targets.”

    the word ‘into” was missing between “terror” and “targets”

    The British navy had a motto. Let them hate as long as they fear.
    The Palestinians are not afraid.

    And 95% of Israeli Jews are . Afraid of normality.

    • Kay24
      August 19, 2014, 4:09 pm

      The biggest terrorist are terrifying civilians, and lying about terror targets.
      The slaughter in Gaza continues.

      • Abierno
        August 19, 2014, 4:53 pm

        Palestinian reports indicate a major shift in the Israeli position at the end of the ceasefire. I wonder if this had something to do with the fact that Netanyahu withheld the longer term ceasefire proposals from his cabinet, who were not informed until Lieberman brought a copy to the cabinet meeting. (Haaretz) A strong number of this cabinet strongly urge the annihilation of Gazans or displacement to Sinai and reoccupation of Gaza sans existing people. They indicate that the area is ripe for development, particularly the seaside areas. Given that the UN and the larger international community appears helpless to intervene in any manner, is this the predictable outcome? Is this the requisite for Netanyahu to retain power? Who in this cabinet have under the table deals with Israeli developers for those – so valuable – waterfront sites?

      • Kay24
        August 19, 2014, 7:23 pm

        You are right about some wanting to bomb Gaza to the stone age…didn’t that blood thirsty Moshe Feignlin call out for concentration camps in Gaza, and ‘the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters?

      • just
        August 19, 2014, 7:29 pm

        Well, Psycho Bennett is the Minister of the Economy. He’s also buddies with Ayelet Shaked.

        As for “stone age”– they’ll never be able to eradicate the heart, soul, minds and intellect of the Palestinians. I don’t use that term because hasbarats and Islamophobes use it wrt to all other folks in the region. Israel has already flattened an awful lot of Gaza.

    • Marnie
      August 20, 2014, 8:32 am

      “Afraid of normality”. Bingo.

  6. lysias
    August 19, 2014, 3:52 pm

    The British navy had a motto. Let them hate as long as they fear.

    Unfortunate motto, in view of the source. Caligula. Oderint dum metuant.

  7. seafoid
    August 19, 2014, 4:04 pm

    Very bad news coming out of Israel. 2000 Palestinians killed in a pointless war of terror and now the 200 Jews who descended on the wedding of a Muslim and a Jew.

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/.premium-1.611335#
    “Just imagine the outcry from American Jewish leaders if hundreds of white supremacist Christian protesters came to a wedding of a mixed couple somewhere in the U.S. to take part in a court-sponsored demonstration in which the most popular chant was “Death to the Jews”. Try to conjure the howls of protests that would accompany a public call by a senior U.S. cabinet member for a blanket boycott of Muslim shop-owners who closed their shops in solidarity with the people of Iraq during the Gulf Wars. Think of the torrents of protest letters that would be published if an American university dared to reprimand a professor who expressed sympathy not only for Palestinian losses during the recent Gaza fighting, but for Jewish ones as well. Visualize the mass sit-ins that would be organized in front of office whose owners dared to fire Jews because they expressed support for Israel on their private Facebook pages. Envision the dramatic calls for tougher police action against roving gangs of hooligans who go Jew-hunting in the streets of lower Manhattan – or Istanbul or Djakarta, if you prefer – whenever another Jew was convicted of a serious crime. Think of the hunger strikes and days of mourning that would be declared if Congress tried to legislate the supremacy of Christianity, the diminishment of minority rights, the enfeeblement of the Supreme Court.

    American Jews would go nuts, and rightly so.

    Yet all of these and other phenomena that have developed gradually in recent years – and at an alarming pace since the start of Operation Protective Edge – have been met with a wall of silence by most American Jewish organizations. There have been no protests, no emergency summits, no call to arms, not even a request for more information or further investigation. Nothing but the sounds of silence. ”

    And not a whisper from The Dersh. Or Oren. They don’t give a shit about secular , decent Israel. It’s all about the land.

    • Kay24
      August 19, 2014, 4:15 pm

      They also don’t give a shet about Arab or Muslim lives. Israel is one of the most racist nations in that region, Racism and attacks on non Jews are very common, yet the Dersh and others talk as if we have to aid and support a shining beacon of light in the ME, where apparently there is “democracy”.

      It is about land, water, getting rid of the Galilee of all Arabs, through ethnic cleansing. Some say it could be oil too. With Israel anything diabolical is possible.

      • seafoid
        August 19, 2014, 4:30 pm

        Max Blumenthal’s book is already out of date. Israel is deteriorating at a frightening pace.

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.611184

        “Toward the end of the demonstration, the matter of the wedding was forgotten and only the intermixed “Death to Arabs” and “Death to Leftists” remained. That’s the problem with extremism. There is always someone who outflanks you, faster and more sophisticated. If once the Yad L’Achim organization set the tone, then Benzi Gopstein from Lehava – who is far more media savvy – stole the show from them. And now Gopstein is the sign of moderation, the responsible adult who is trying to calm the calls to kill Arabs, so as to emphasize the original idea of the protest.
        “The people of Israel are responsible for one another, we are not a people for all the peoples,” said the organizers – and suddenly a vehicle playing Hassidic music arrives, it’s not clear from where. Many of the young people abandon Gopstein and Itamar Ben Gvir, the learned attorney for Lehava, and dance on the side, leaving him with the sign “Our teacher Moses is crying.” He is speaking in front of the Rishon Letzion veterinary institute about the Arab village where Mansour will take Malka, even though Mohammed is really Mahmoud and lives in Jaffa – which is not a village.
        Israel Harel in a stylish gray hat, it seems with a shofar [ram’s horn trumpet] in his hand, talks about how there can be miracles and reminds us of the miracles during the war. ”

        And there are going to be no miracles for Israel. There were none in Germany in the 30s either.

      • Kay24
        August 19, 2014, 4:46 pm

        Israel is going to eventually reap what it has sown, and it will be ugly.

        Like Germany it will be the arrogance and violence that will lead to their downfall.

        It seems there is some in-fighting among the war mongers too:
        “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tried last week to hide from cabinet ministers the draft of a cease-fire agreement drawn up by Egypt. A senior Israeli official said that during last Thursday evening’s cabinet meeting, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman confronted Netanyahu, showing him the copy of the Egyptian proposal that he, Lieberman, had received, and demanded an explanation.

        The Israeli official said Lieberman surprised Netanyahu with this revelation. This was the first that the other cabinet ministers had heard that Israel had received a draft cease-fire agreement from the Egyptians, and they demanded copies of their own so they could review it.

        A stormy atmosphere ensued and Netanyahu found himself on the defensive. The official said Netanyahu told the cabinet members that it was only a proposal, one of many that had been updated again and again in previous days.

        “I didn’t say ‘yes’ to this draft and for now we do not accept it,” he told the ministers.
        At one point Netanyahu exited the cabinet meeting to speak with some visiting mayors from the south. That get-together was to last only a few minutes, yet Netanyahu stretched it out to more than an hour. Eventually Lieberman and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon lost their patience and left the cabinet meeting. It was decided to adjourn and continue the following morning.”
        More:
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.611231

      • seafoid
        August 19, 2014, 5:16 pm

        The next leader will be even more extremist than Netanyahu.
        And he’ll have to sate the Zionist public while telling the world that Israel wants peace.

  8. seafoid
    August 19, 2014, 4:39 pm

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.611396

    “92 percent of Israeli Jews said Operation Protective Edge was justified, according to a poll published Tuesday by The Israel Democracy Institute (IDI) and Tel Aviv University. 62 percent of Israeli Arabs said the operation was not justified.”

    • michelle
      August 21, 2014, 1:42 pm

      .
      it’s doubtful the poll takers were first made aware of the facts/truth
      Israel msm is allso bias all the population hears are air raid sirens
      (though every/all must be aware of the lack of equality in their population)
      it must have been torture finding the 38% in favor from the Arab pollsters
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

  9. Kay24
    August 19, 2014, 4:59 pm

    I guess everyone here notices that the atrocities by Israel in Gaza is hardly mentioned in the media….it is all about Ferguson. Somewhere in TelAviv Bibi is relieved.

    • Citizen
      August 19, 2014, 9:49 pm

      Yeah, it’s amazing how all the cable TV news shows do almost nothing but Ferguson, hours of watching young people roaming the streets of Ferguson, looking for some relief from their daily boredom. Lots of outside instigators there too.

      • Marnie
        August 20, 2014, 9:01 am

        @Citizen – “Lots of outside instigators there too”. That line sounds like it was taken out of the movie Mississippi Burning, and was kinda like this “We didn’t have any problems down here with our nigras until all these outside agitators started coming into our town. Our nigras were happy! All them agitators from New York and Chicago comin’ in here to stir things up; they’re lookin for trouble and I think they found it”.
        I’m not detracting from the occupation and Operation Kill Palestinians but the United States is far from being United. Watching the news from Ferguson is hauntingly familiar – because it is – the riots in LA after Rodney King was beaten to a pulp, the neverending attempts to suppress the votes of African Americans, Latinos, etc. Watching the news reminded me of newsreels I saw as a child and have seen on documentaries about the civil rights era. Nothing has changed in amerikkka. I know this site isn’t about how fucked up the united states is but the similarities between there and here are striking.

  10. anthonybellchambers
    August 19, 2014, 4:59 pm

    The shocking situation in Gaza and the killing of yet more children by the Israeli army is a direct result of Netanyahu deliberately torpedoing the US- brokered peace talks. The Netanyahu government DOES NOT WANT PEACE, it wants the whole of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and is prepared to carry out any atrocity in order to achieve its aim. Those responsible for war crimes must be brought before the International Criminal Court and all bilateral trade with EU should cease.

    • seafoid
      August 19, 2014, 5:18 pm

      I think it’s that the Israeli cabinet is out of control. Lieberman and the settlers have Netanyahu by the balls. They want to go back to the siege or even expel the Gazans and Netanyahu has no idea how to get out of the hole he has dug for himself with this war of choice.

      • Chu
        August 19, 2014, 5:34 pm

        Hasn’t every war been a war of choice? aka pre-emption or security concerns.

      • a blah chick
        August 19, 2014, 7:07 pm

        He’s really deep in the compost heap. He thought this would be another cheap round of “lawn mowing” and now he’s stuck. There can be no “victory” for him with Hamas still standing. I’d be cheering his potential downfall if he wasn’t taking so many innocents with him.

    • Kay24
      August 19, 2014, 6:36 pm

      You would think that the US should have got it by now. All this pretense of trying to negotiate peace and wasting our money sending Kerry back and forth to broker peace talks. Either that, or they are going along with the charade, and complicit in the Israelis stupid game of fooling the world.

      Israel has no desire for peace, it is all cheap talk…they want the land, the water, the entire damn region, and if none of the US leaders who keep professing their devotion to Israel, have seen that disgusting shrinking map of Palestine, then they are even more intellectually challenged than I thought.

      The rest of the world realize that no occupied people want to avoid peace and want a brutal occupation going.

    • HarryLaw
      August 19, 2014, 6:52 pm

      Hamas, all the factions of the PLO including Erekat want Palestine to formally join the ICC as a state party, Abbas alone does not. http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-hamas-pushes-abbas-join-icc-316559675 It appears he has made commitments to US/Israel. What are those commitments? What threats are the US/Israel using against Abbas? Could anything be worse than 12,000 dead and injured Palestinians? Is Abbas waiting till a complete ethnic cleansing is carried out, don’t think the Israelis won’t do it, Professor Finkelstein was correct when he said Israel is a lunatic state.

      • Abierno
        August 19, 2014, 8:38 pm

        If Abbas steps out of line, he can be expected to suffer an immediate fatal illness or accident, particularly with the Netanyahu government. His successor approved by Hillary, Kerry and Netanyahu is already in the wings – Muhammed Dahlen, ever corrupt, ever ready to toady to Netanyahu. Giving away all of Palestine and Gaza would be ok so long as he gets his cut.

  11. globalconsciousness
    August 19, 2014, 5:12 pm

    See Laila El-Haddad @gazamom and Dr. Bassel Abuwarda @drBasselAbuward on
    Twitter for latest on the bombardment and death of more children in Gaza…

  12. globalconsciousness
    August 19, 2014, 5:14 pm

    Also the 16 year old Farah Baker @Farah_Gazan (underscore) on Twitter is simply incredible and already garnered a huge following…

  13. lysias
    August 19, 2014, 5:20 pm

    There is an alternative, if Netanyahu has the support of the generals: a presidential coup.

  14. Les
    August 19, 2014, 8:34 pm

    Barak Ravid:

    “The collapse of the Cairo talks over a long-term truce in Gaza was a failure foretold. One needed to be extremely optimistic or totally clueless about the diplomatic realities to think that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s most generous positions would meet the minimum demands of Hamas leader Khaled.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611469

    • just
      August 19, 2014, 9:07 pm

      “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s most generous positions”

      Thanks Les. Truly gag-worthy. Beneficent Benjamin Baby Killer and His Band of Brothers in Blood and of Bondage.

    • Mayhem
      August 19, 2014, 9:27 pm

      If the way that the Hamas negotiators are operating in the current round of talks in Cairo is any indication it is clearly apparent why any efforts for a peaceful resolution between Israelis and Palestinians have always failed –   their position remains belligerent and uncompromising.  Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy.

      • just
        August 19, 2014, 9:36 pm

        EVERYTHING is wrong with your comment, but you know that.

      • eljay
        August 19, 2014, 9:38 pm

        >> Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy.

        The rapist’s victim demands the freedom that is her right. But the rapist worries that she might try to have him held accountable for his past and on-going crimes.

        Better just to lengthen her chain a bit and put some frilly padding on the cuffs.

      • a blah chick
        August 19, 2014, 9:53 pm

        “Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport…” In other words all the things that we as free Americans enjoy.

        Do you have any idea how ridiculous YOU sound?

      • Citizen
        August 20, 2014, 7:54 am

        Satire

      • Philemon
        August 19, 2014, 9:57 pm

        Well, Israel has open borders, seaports and airports. The Palestinians should, too. Don’t you think, Mayhem? What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. And frankly don’t you think the Palestinians in Gaza should be more worried about their “security” than Israel?

      • talknic
        August 19, 2014, 10:18 pm

        @ Mayhem “… it is clearly apparent why any efforts for a peaceful resolution between Israelis and Palestinians have always failed”

        Palestinians ask for their LEGAL rights under the Laws Israel obliged itself to uphold. Israel refuses and without any legal basis what so ever, demands non-Israeli territory.
        Without any legal basis what so ever, Israel demands Palestinine disarm.
        Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow Palestinians return to Palestinian territory.
        Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow non-Jews who had a right to Israeli citizenship return to Israel.

        “their position remains belligerent and uncompromising”

        Their legal rights are not belligerent nor are they under any legal obligation to compromise their legal rights under ANY circumstances

        “Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport”

        A LEGAL right to open borders, a seaport and airport is ridiculous? WOW!!! Say… when is Israel gonna give up its ridiculous open borders, seaports and airports?

        “is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy”

        Nonsense. Israel has for 66 years been putting its security in jeopardy by demanding and illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

      • tod77
        August 20, 2014, 4:17 am

        Talknic – The question of legality is not one that matters to Israel, Hamas or to the 2000 dead in Gaza.
        Hamas are not under legal obligation to compromise anything, but practically the only way to end conflicts is by one side winning or by both losing.
        Both sides have to compromise, which in a way is probably the reason Hamas brought up the matter of the ports, just as Israel is calling for disarming Hamas.
        None of these demands are ridiculous, but they are impractical. Mayhem – it may be convenient for you to believe that Hamas are solely responsible for the breakdown of talks – but in the end both sides cannot afford not to appear the winner at the end of the negotiations. A compromise should allow both sides to claim victory, while compromising to allow the other side a victory too.
        Eljay – your analogy of a rapist is simplistic, but even so, strengthens the importance of practicality. Do you honestly expect the rapist to find moral enlightment and admit himself to an asylum?
        Do you honestly expect the victim to thank the rapist for the freedom bestowed, and not go and buy a shotgun?

      • eljay
        August 20, 2014, 7:12 am

        >> tod77: [e]ljay – your analogy of a rapist is simplistic …

        Simplistic analogies from a simple guy. :-)

        >> Do you honestly expect the rapist to find moral enlightment and admit himself to an asylum?

        I don’t expect the rapist to relinquish his victim or willingly accept justice and accountability. With the help of his fervent supporters, I expect him to keep on “raping and crying”, insisting that he is merely “self-determining” himself.

        >> Do you honestly expect the victim to thank the rapist for the freedom bestowed, and not go and buy a shotgun?

        If the victim were freed, I would expect her rightly to seek justice and accountability and to move on with her life. If she were to commit – or to attempt to commit – retributional violence against the rapist, I would expect her to be held fully accountable for her actions.

      • tod77
        August 20, 2014, 8:39 am

        Eljay: :-)

      • Shingo
        August 20, 2014, 6:03 pm

        Do you honestly expect the rapist to find moral enlightment and admit himself to an asylum?

        No, but no one honestly expects him to be take seriously when he claims to be the victim.

      • Mayhem
        August 20, 2014, 5:24 am

        In the same way as you don’t grant somebody a driver’s licence until they pass an exam or you don’t allow somebody to purchase a gun unless they meet certain criteria.

      • Shingo
        August 20, 2014, 6:04 pm

        In the same way as you don’t grant somebody a driver’s licence until they pass an exam or you don’t allow somebody to purchase a gun unless they meet certain criteria.

        Unless you are Zionist, in which case, no exam or criteria needed.

      • Shingo
        August 20, 2014, 6:51 am

        Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy.

        Yes an independent, free and sovereign Palestine poses a great threat to Israel.

  15. a blah chick
    August 19, 2014, 9:19 pm

    Word is that Israel just killed the wife and daughter of Mohammed Deif, the commander of the al qassem brigade and the Zionist twitters are positively gleeful.

    So let’s unpack this: Hamas personnel are accused of hiding behind their families yet when Israel dropped that bomb and killed Deif’s family he was no where about, so how could he have been using then as human shields?

    • just
      August 19, 2014, 9:35 pm

      IOF are terrorist murderers– that is all there is to say.

    • Tuyzentfloot
      August 20, 2014, 6:09 am

      Taghreed El Khodary also said ( in this interview) that Israel targets the families of Hamas members. I think it’s part of the Dahiya doctrine and that this approach was used in the Lebanon war as well.

      It’s a matter of always stretching the interpretation of legitimacy a bit more.
      Once you can get a degree of acceptation for the idea that you can target a Hamas member anywhere and take out everyone in the neighborhood as well , because these are just human shields and it’s ok to kill human shields, then the next step is
      you can always target their family anyway and claim you didn’t know the Hamas member was not there.

      • lysias
        August 20, 2014, 9:56 am

        Was the drone killing of Awlaki’s 16-year-old son an early example of the U.S. going after relatives of its enemies?

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 20, 2014, 10:30 am

        I wouldn’t know. In general I think the US doesn’t use such a doctrine even if the result is similar.

        I do think that in general when a party starts to take liberties with interpretations of certain laws , charters, norms, it quickly becomes a precedent for others to do the same. The US has done a lot of damage there, and of course Israel is more extreme , be it less of a leading example.
        This article discusses Israels lawfare assault on humanitarian law.

  16. It must have taken great restraint for the IDF to have only said “terror” once in that sentence.

    No country could endure the conditions Israel imposes on Gaza.

    Israel prods us to believe that allowing Gaza enough freedom to become anything more than a battered, broken victim, barely moving under the weight of Israel’s boot, is a threat to Israel’s existence.

    I am more than a little sick of Israel’s hysterical shrieking about POTENTIAL loss of Israeli life while massacring Palestinians by the thousands.

    Gaza is economically isolated, and kept under the oppressive thumb of a country that wants – and keeps taking – what’s left of Palestinians’ land, resources and revenue.

    Inflicting and perpetuating social disorganisation – punctuated with intermittent massacres – while progressively usurping land and resources, is violent (and coercive) dispossession and has no more legitimacy than an armed robbery.

  17. Atlantaiconoclast
    August 20, 2014, 12:58 am

    Nothing will change till more of you have the courage to call out Jewish supremacists, and those who do their bidding. I don’t believe most Jews are supremacists, but I think most of them are brainwashed to think that they are eternal victims. So they don’t speak out against Israel’s crimes. Its cognitive dissonance. Is it really anti Semitic to point out that many Jews are in fact supremacists? Is a Black person anti White for discussing White supremacism?

  18. HarryLaw
    August 20, 2014, 4:10 am

    1) Gaza: Facts the BBC doesn’t tell us
    For example

    · that in November 2005 in the Agreement on Movement and Access Israel promised the continuous operation of crossings between Israel and Gaza and an operational airport and seaport in Gaza

    · that Hamas has twice made agreements with Israel to cease rocket and mortar fire from Gaza and did so in both instances, but Israel failed to fulfil its commitments under those agreements http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/palestine/gaza-facts-bbc-doesn%27t-tell-us.htm

    2) Gaza: Implement the Agreement on Movement and Access NOW

    In November 2005, Israel signed the Agreement on Movement and Access. In launching the agreement in Jerusalem, along with Javier Solana of the EU, US Secretary of State, Condoleeza Rice promised that it would “give the Palestinian people freedom to move, to trade, to live ordinary lives”, that the people of Gaza would be able to travel to Israel (and through it to the West Bank) and to Egypt and that there would be free movement of goods in and out of Gaza.
    Nearly a decade later, none of it has been delivered. For most of that time, Gaza has been subject to a brutal economic blockade by Israel and the US/EU, the sponsors of the agreement, have stood idly by and let it happen. http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/palestine/gaza-implement-agreement-on-movement-and-access.htm

  19. Kay24
    August 20, 2014, 7:34 am

    Hamas leader’s wife and infant child killed by the human animals.

    I guess targeting Bibi’s family is okay too, after all this is war.
    Haaretz
    “GAZA/JERUSALEM, Aug 20 (Reuters) – Israeli air strikes killed 11 Palestinians in Gaza, including the wife and infant son of Hamas’s military leader, Mohammed Deif, in what the group said on Wednesday was an attempt to assassinate him after a ceasefire collapsed.

    Accusing Israel of opening a “gateway to hell”, Hamas fired rockets at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. The attacks caused no casualties but demonstrated the Islamist movement could still bring the Gaza war to Israel’s heartland despite heavy Israeli bombardments in the five-week-old conflict.

    Israel’s military said it had carried out 60 air strikes on the Gaza Strip since hostilities resumed on Tuesday, and that Palestinians launched more than 80 rocket salvoes, some intercepted by the Israeli anti-missile Iron Dome system.”

    • just
      August 20, 2014, 8:30 am

      In addition Kay24:

      “Seven members of one family, including a woman and three children, were killed when a house in central Gaza was hit early on Wednesday. The offices of the Hamas-affiliated al-Aqsa TV were also hit in at least 60 air strikes following the breakdown of the ceasefire. Hundreds of civilians fled their homes for UN shelters.

      Israeli officials said 70 rockets were fired from Gaza, the first of which were launched around eight hours before the truce was due to end at midnight. Hamas denied firing the first rockets but, following the deadly attack on the Gaza City house, it said it had fired at least 40 rockets, targeting Tel Aviv and Israel’s main international airport, Ben Gurion.

      Palestinian negotiators also left Cairo, blaming Israel for their failure. “Israel thwarted the contacts that could have brought peace,” said chief Palestinian negotiator Azzam al-Ahmed. The Palestinians had presented a final set of demands, but Israel was “trying to impose what they want. This is impossible for us as Palestinians to accept that … the process of procrastination and stalling continues.”

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/20/gaza-war-resumes-as-talks-break-down

      • Kay24
        August 20, 2014, 8:46 am

        I hope the Congress, Joan Rivers, Cuomo, Bloomberg, and all the other Americans, including Obama, are proud of themselves. They are all complicit in the massacre of civilians, and the loss of many families.

        It must be easy for you and your family, here in the US, to be in a very safe place, and defend the slaughter of innocents far away.

      • just
        August 20, 2014, 8:54 am

        There is plenty of blame to go around all over these United States! Heaps of it.
        We are enabling the folks in this poll and their depraved ‘leaders’:

        “A poll published by the Israel Democracy Institute found that 92% of Jewish Israelis believed the war was justified. Almost half (48%) of those questioned thought an appropriate amount of force had been used by the Israeli military, 45% said too little force had been deployed and 6% thought too much had been used.”

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/20/gaza-funeral-hamas-military-chief-wife-son

        That is one sick ‘society’.

      • seafoid
        August 20, 2014, 9:01 am

        . “Israel thwarted the contacts that could have brought peace,” said chief Palestinian negotiator Azzam al-Ahmed. The Palestinians had presented a final set of demands, but Israel was “trying to impose what they want. This is impossible for us as Palestinians to accept that … the process of procrastination and stalling continues.”

        It’s finished, Israel telling the Palestinians what to do. Mads Gilbert said it as well in his hard talk interview.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9O3EcuuIuk
        People in Gaza are prepared to die instead of go back to the siege. They are sick of the broken promises.

        “With promises of paradise and gifts of beads and knives
        Missionaries and pioneers are soldiers in disguise
        Saviours and conquerors they make us wait

        The scars of the past are slow to disappear
        The cries of the dead are always in our ears
        Only the very safe can talk about wrong or right
        Of those who are forced to choose some will choose to fight”

      • just
        August 20, 2014, 9:08 am

        Exactly, seafoid. Mads Gilbert was clear in his interview– I’ve watched it twice now. Anyone who disparages him should understand that their soul has gone missing. As a matter of fact, anyone who disparages the Palestinians should also go on a search. Azzam al-Ahmed put it quite succinctly and well– enough.

        (Christy Moore song is much, much appreciated)

      • Walid
        August 20, 2014, 9:10 am

        “It’s finished, Israel telling the Palestinians what to do.”

        It also means that Abbas was unable to deliver. Last night Livni was prancing up and down insisting that Israel would negotiate on Gaza with no one other than Abbas. Looks like Israel had been betting on the wrong horse all along.

      • tod77
        August 20, 2014, 9:17 am

        On the contrary, people in Gaza are NOT prepared to die.

      • seafoid
        August 20, 2014, 10:53 am

        They are not going to be put off by Israel slaughtering kids.

  20. Kay24
    August 20, 2014, 8:53 am

    There are comparisons already between Ferguson and the Gaza situation in Haaretz:

    I hope someone could give us the article in it’s entirety.

    “Ferguson, Israel and the Palestinians: what they have in common – and what they don’t
    Those beating the drum against Israel over the course of Operation Protective Edge point out that images of clashes between police and demonstrators in Missouri look eerily familiar.
    By Allison Kaplan Sommer

    The comparisons were inevitable when you took a look at the photos from Ferguson – military-style police suited in combat gear and equipped with tear gas, using what clearly seems to be disproportionate force against hapless crowds of civilian protesters. Those beating the drum against Israel over the course of Operation Protective Edge point out that the images look eerily familiar”.

  21. Walid
    August 20, 2014, 9:28 am

    Another tearjerker from the snake oil salesman:

    • just
      August 20, 2014, 9:43 am

      In his opening salvo, he says that “today Israel was scrupulously honoring the ceasefire as we have been over the last few days……”

      It does almost bring tears to my eyes. Read it and weep. What does that really mean– ‘today, last few days’???

    • Kay24
      August 20, 2014, 9:57 am

      Aw even one box of tissues was not enough for me to cry into….so sad that some rockets hit a home or two in Israel. See, for the zionists even an Israeli home is far more important than thousands of Palestinian homes, just like Israeli lives versus Palestinian lives. It made headlines when a rocket hit a home in some area in Israel, BUT no one was hurt.

  22. DICKERSON3870
    August 21, 2014, 1:32 pm

    RE: “Hours before a ceasefire was set to expire between Israel and Hamas, negotiations in Cairo have collapsed and rockets and air strikes have resumed.” ~ Deger

    MY COMMENT: I wouldn’t mind being a fly on the wall in the Obama compound out there on Martha’s Vinyard. Not permanently, of course. Most certainly not in perpetuity. Anything but!

    KAFKAESQUE – A MUSICAL METAMORPHOSIS [VIDEO, 01:37] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdX9t34eUqA

    (Soderberg’s) Kafka 1991 (Jeremy Irons, Theresa Russell, Joel Grey, Alec Guiness) [VIDEO, 1:34:25] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MmwyazJBkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MmwyazJBk

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