Serving Israel’s aim of lowering civilian deaths, ‘New York Times’ Gaza tally says 15- to 17-year-old’s aren’t children

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New York Times headquarters. (Photo: Wikipedia)

New York Times headquarters. (Photo: Wikipedia)

On August 5, The New York Times published a highly problematic article “Civilian or Not? New Fight in Tallying the Dead from Gaza Conflict”, that presented information supporting dubious Israeli government claims that 900 Palestinians killed by Israel in Gaza, or around half of all Palestinian killed in Gaza in Israel’s current offensive, were “terrorists.” This assertion flies in the face of consensus reporting over the last month indicating much higher Palestinian civilian casualty figures.

Yet another example of bad New York Times’ reporting on Gaza, the article by Times Jerusalem Bureau Chief Jodi Rudoren deserves debunking on many levels. It is built on unsupported claims by the Israeli government about whom Israel killed. Rudoren’s article fails to explain consensus positions in international law on who is a combatant, or explain Israel’s position on them. It also presents information in a way that profiles all Palestinian males age 15 – 60 as possible terrorists potentially deserving of death, and inappropriately limits the age of children to 0-14 years. More broadly, Jodi Rudoren’s article supports an Israeli government PR push to revise the history of Israel’s attack on Gaza to make Israel look better by asserting that Israel killed far more combatants and far fewer children than has been widely reported.

The article demonstrates The Times’ inability to hold itself accountable to basic standards of accuracy and fairness in reporting on Israel and Palestine.

Careful research and unsupported Israeli government assertions get equal weight

Greg Mitchell dismantled a number of Rudoren’s assertions in his blogpost, “Rudoren to the Rescue on Civilian Toll.” Her article lends credibility to very dubious Israeli government claims about Palestinian civilian deaths. It does so by giving the same weight to painstakingly compiled research by the United Nations, and independent Palestinian human rights organizations in Gaza that concluded that 72% – 84% of those killed in Gaza by Israel were civilians, as it does to the unsupported Israeli government claims that roughly half the dead in Gaza were combatants. The only evidence that Rudoren provides to back the Israeli government claims are “368 cases listed in 28 entries” on the Israeli military’s blog, and “a study by an Israeli counterterrorism group that is impressive in its documentation… but analyzes only the first 152 casualties.”

Despite her minimal information on how Israeli intelligence arrived at the assertion that 50% of Gazans killed were combatants, Rudoren presents the conclusion that the Israeli government draws from it unsupported claims – “the ratio of combatants killed in a densely populated urban environment supports its assertion that it conducted the attacks as humanely as possible.” She then takes this fact-free analysis even further, suggesting that a lower than widely reported Palestinian civilian death rate might change “the characterization of the conflict.”

Failure to detail international law consensus vs. Israeli positions on who is a combatant

On the Just Security blog, Ryan Goodman, a Professor of Law at the NYU School of Law, took Rudoren to task for her failure to delve further into a key question that she raised in her article, who is a combatant? Different definitions of who is a combatant likely explain an important part of the difference between Israel’s 50% combatants killed versus 16% – 28% combatants killed reported by Palestinian NGOs and the UN. Goodman criticizes Rudoren’s article for failing to ever note the very broad consensus on who qualifies as a combatant under international law. There is a stark difference between that international consensus and Rudoren’s ambiguously sourced, possibly Israeli government claim that Hamas has “political figures, members of its security service and employees of its ministries,” and that “anyone affiliated with the organization [Hamas], which professes a goal of destroying Israel, is a combatant.”

Profiling all Palestinian men as potential combatants deserving of execution

Rudoren’s analysis suggests that all Palestinian males in Gaza between the ages of 15-60 are suspects – potential combatants who may deserve to be killed. The article notes that, “34 percent of those killed in Gaza from July 6-31 were children, women, elderly or female victims of an unknown age. The remaining deaths were a mix of male civilians and combatants, though breakdowns are disputed. “ The statistics in the graphic accompanying the article demonstrate that the 34 percent includes only children between the ages of 0-14 years, and does not include 15-17 year olds. Thus boys as young as 15-years-old fit into Rudoren’s “mix of male civilians and combatants.” Also falling within Jodi Rudoren’s “mix of male civilians and combatants, though breakdowns are disputed” would be Anwar al-Za’anin, a staff member of Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, who was killed yesterday by an Israeli drone, and health worker  Mohammad al-Abadlah, 32, just two of many examples.

Perhaps worse, Jodi Rudoren states that if you are a Gazan male between the ages of 20-29, you are part of “the population most likely to be militants.” I doubt that most of the roughly 153,000 Palestinian men in Gaza who are between 20-29-years-old appreciate the title “most likely to be militants” bestowed on them by The New York Times. Nor would they appreciate that they are “most likely” targets for Israel, as were 23-year-old Salem Shamaly who was shot dead by an Israeli sniper while searching for family members, journalists Sameh Al-Aryan, 26, of Al-Aqsa TV, and Rami Rayan, 25, who worked for the Palestinian Media Network, both killed by Israeli shelling of the Shija’iya market, and health worker A’ed Al-Bor’i, 28, who was killed by an Israel shell while riding in an ambulance with an injured person.

Rudoren’s only somewhat original research in the article shows that “the population most likely to be militants, men ages 20 to 29, is also the most overrepresented in the death toll. They are 9 percent of Gaza’s 1.7 million residents, but 34 percent of those killed whose ages were provided.” The implication is that perhaps this shows that Israel really did kill a much larger number of Palestinian militants than has been recognized. But Rudoren fails to investigate other likely explanations. Yes, Israel did kill some Palestinian fighters, but on the other hand young Palestinian men are much more likely to be out in public and exposed. Furthermore, Israel profiles younger Palestinian men as likely fighters, whether or not they are, and thus is much more likely to kill them than others.

Rather than relying on actual on-the-ground research into who among those killed did what, and thus who qualifies as a civilian or a combatant, The Times article lends significant weight to Israel’s crude profiling of men, and even of male children, in Gaza, categorizing dead Palestinian males, with no evidence, as combatants who merited their deaths.

Untenable definition of who is a child in Gaza

The article also falters over a clear and uncorrected factual error about who is a child in the graphic, “One Count of Gaza Casualties.” The graphic is important because it furnishes summary statistics used in the article for analysis. A graph in the article separates The Times’ data on Gaza casualties into four broad categories: Children (0 – 14 years), Women or Men (15 – 59 years), Elderly (60 – 80+ years) and Unknown.

Graph in the Times on Gaza toll

Graph in the Times on Gaza toll

15 – 17-year-olds are included under the category Women or Men, rather than with Children. As noted earlier, the graphic and analysis also place male children aged 15-17 into one of The Times categories of suspects, within the “mix of male civilians and combatants.” None of this can be easily justified. Outlining a widely accepted definition, the UN’s Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC)  notes, “a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.” Most governments use roughly similar ages to those in the CRC for their upper age limit for children.

By email, The Times’ Standards Editor Greg Brock quickly rejected without explanation my assertion that the graphic needed correction because it incorrectly limited children to ages 0-14 years. Brock was continuing a pattern of problematic corrections on Israel and Palestine that I and others have documented.

Jodi Rudoren responded by email with explanations that never adequately explained why the graphic represented “Children” as 0-14 years, and “Men” and “Women” as 15 years and over. Rudoren wrote in part,

“Here’s the problem with your complaint: it is not based on our actual graphic. We did not label anyone in the graphic as ‘adults.’ The word does not appear. In general, in articles, we refer to people ages 15-18 as teenagers, not as children — and I think that is more accurate, more understandable. Many demographers also do not call everybody under 18 ‘children’ but minors. Remember, though, we are not bound by some official characterization.”

But shouldn’t The Times be bound by some logically consistent characterization? Rudoren is correct that the graphic didn’t explicitly label anyone as adults. But the graphic very clearly limited Children to 0-14 years. There is a clear separation, with “Men” and “Women” beginning at 15 years. Whether or not the terms Men and Women imply adulthood (I think they do), 15-17-year-olds were classified very clearly with older people who are unequivocally understood to be adults. They also were not classified anywhere in the graphic as “teenagers,” so Rudoren’s argument about a distinct teenager category is irrelevant.

In a second email, Rudoren added, “Even the labels “women” and “men” were placed far from the teenagers.” But the distance in the graphic between “Women” and “Men” and the ages 15-17 or 18 is also not relevant, because the labels “Women” and “Men” very clearly cover the ages 15-19.

The graphic represents 15-17-year olds or 15-18-year-olds as men or women, and not children. But even the article itself doesn’t make that argument consistently. Instead the text twice mentions the category, “children under 15.” Noting “children under 15,” implies that there are also “children” who are 15, and perhaps older.

Further undermining Rudoren’s claim that The Times labels 15-18-year olds as teenagers and not children is a January 2014 Times Editorial that I located entitled “When Children Become Criminals.” The editorial begins, “New York is one of two states, the other being North Carolina, in which 16-year-olds are automatically tried as adults. This is the case despite overwhelming evidence that sending children into adult courts…” This Times editorial never used the term teenagers as it recommended changes to the legal system for 16 and 17-year-olds, all under a title focused on “children.”

In an odd, and very troubling follow-on, on August 9 Jodi Rudoren reported that “more than 300 children” had been killed in Gaza. She did so at a time when the UN was reporting 415 children killed. The Times reporting of one hundred fewer dead children than the UN and other sources would seem to be explained by The Times continued use of this more limited and inaccurate definition of children.

Thus, as examples, Osama Mohammad Sihweil, 16, from Beit Hanoun, Ala Khader Ramadan Salman, 17, from Beit Lahia, Aseel Saleh Hussein Abu Mohsen, 17, Ismail Samir Suleiman Shallouf, 16, Yousef Akram Saleh al-Skafi and Amro Tareq Said Abu al-Rous, both 15, all from Rafah, whose deaths are recounted in this statement from Defense for Children International Palestine, all do not count in The New York Times “unique” tally of children killed in Gaza.

By using its own, unorthodox definition of Palestinian children, one different from other media and authorities, The Times is redefining downward the number of Palestinian children that Israel killed in Gaza, while conversely increasing the number of men who may be considered combatants who were killed. Such reporting “supports its [Israel’s] assertion that it conducted the attacks as humanely as possible,” and contributes to possibly helping to change “the characterization of the conflict.”

Supporting an Israeli Government Public Relations Campaign

I said in my emails to The Times that the article’s approach fit well with Israeli government talking points and that “the Israeli government has launched a concerted PR campaign to claim that as many Palestinian civilian casualties as possible in Gaza, including children, were in fact somehow deserving of being killed by the Israeli army. Ms. Rudoren’s article and the accompanying graphic came within that context.”

Jodi Rudoren responded by email: “As for Israeli talking points, this is nuts. The Israelis basically refused to provide any information for this story, as noted.”

Yet Rudoren framed her story as a “new fight” between “Israel” and “Palestinians and their supporters” over the number of civilians killed (evidently their supporters include the UN, as Greg Mitchell noted). Thus the story is by definition in part a presentation of Israeli government positions, including a 50% Palestinian combatant death toll and a humane as possible Israeli assault on Gaza. That the Israeli government is waging a PR campaign to push these positions in the media was emphasized by the fact that Reuters and The Gatestone Institute published articles just before Rudoren’s piece, and the Associated Press  published an article a few days after, all covering these same issues. The BBC, and I24 then followed with similar articles.

Furthermore, labeling older Palestinian male children as potential combatants, and profiling all Palestinian males as potential combatants regardless of their actions, as Rudoren did in this story, is a longstanding Israeli government practice. As just one recent example, after initially being brutally beaten by Israeli police and accused of involvement in violence against Israeli police, 15-year-old Palestinian American Tariq Abu Khudeir was later released without charges, following substantial media attention. Tariq, a child and an innocent victim, was accused by Israel of being the violent attacker. Before his release, The Times had quoted an Israeli Police spokesperson explaining that “Tariq was one of six Palestinians arrested — three of them carrying knives — after a clash in which 15 officers were injured when ‘hundreds of rioters, many of them masked, hurled at the forces pipe bombs, Molotov cocktails, fireworks and stones.’”

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This dreadful New York Times news story is just one example of The Times’ systematically biased reporting on Israel and Palestine. On August 2, I posted a more comprehensive rundown of The Times bad reporting on Israel’s attack on Gaza. Since then, The Times published two good articles by Anne Barnard and Ben Hubbard of the sort they should have been publishing daily, but those were then followed by this article by Rudoren.

Bias in Rudoren’s reporting may not surprise some. She has described herself as being criticized as “kind of entrenched in the Israeli-Zionist-Jewish-American perspective… I live in West Jerusalem [and] spend quite a bit of time in my office there.  I wish I spent much more time in the West Bank than I do.” She and her husband Gary Rudoren’s apparent lack of contact with Palestinians and their concern about “the Arabs” were displayed in a recent 56 minute video about the family’s life in West Jerusalem. Max Blumenthal reported in the Electronic Intifada, “the only time any Palestinian speaks in the nearly hour-long video is when Gary Rudoren sends his dirty clothes to a local laundromat.” A Palestinian (or “Arab”) receives his laundry.

Still, there are Times’ editors supervising Rudoren, reviewing story ideas, editing her pieces and coming up with the frequently awful titles for her articles. There are also editors who sometimes refuse to make appropriate corrections to her pieces. As much as bad reporting by individuals deserves attention, it’s likely underpinned by a more widespread bias at The Times that supports the perpetuation of Israeli Jewish privilege at the expense of basic Palestinian rights.

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  1. amigo
    August 11, 2014, 2:08 pm

    “Boys to men– ‘New York Times’ tally of Gaza dead says 15- to 17-year-old’s aren’t children”

    Unless they are Israeli teens(one was nineteen) allegedly murdered by Hamas.

    Strange how that logic finds a space in the Zionist mentality.

  2. Abierno
    August 11, 2014, 2:36 pm

    Readers of this column should refresh their memories of Phil Weiss great column on Ms. Rudoren’s New York times article implying Gazans are ho hum about the death of relatives. Gives good context for her stripping away three years from the childhood of Gazan and Palestinian children, while Israeli adolescents do not attain mature, legally mandated adult status until eighteen. I believe this is also the policy or practice in the military courts in the territories. link to mondoweiss.net

  3. Scott
    August 11, 2014, 2:48 pm

    Of course the kidnapped and murdered Israeli settlers (ages 17-19, as I recall) were referred to as “boys.”

    • lysias
      August 11, 2014, 2:50 pm

      I believe I remember them also being called “children” and “kids”. (And I think one of them was even in the IDF.)

    • Mooser
      August 12, 2014, 12:30 am

      “Of course the kidnapped and murdered Israeli settlers…”

      Since nobody seems to know, I’m sticking with a tragic love triangle and murder-suicide.

      • jon s
        August 12, 2014, 1:10 am

        They were abducted and murdered by Hamas operatives:

        link to haaretz.com

      • Annie Robbins
        August 12, 2014, 1:30 am

        even haaretz says “allegedly kidnapped and murdered the three teens”

        The state says Hussam confessed during an interrogation by the Shin Bet security service that he had received funding for the abduction from Hamas operatives in Gaza.

        you’re such a tool jon.nobody believes anything israel claims anymore because they notoriously lie w/impunity.

      • jon s
        August 12, 2014, 2:48 am

        But in the case of the murder of Mohammad Abu Khdeir, in which three Israeli Jews have been indicted, you do believe in the outcome of the investigation?

        I wonder who’s the tool, Annie.

      • Eva Smagacz
        August 12, 2014, 7:18 am

        Well the alleged killers of settlers were subject to enhanced interrogation techniques according to their lawyer.
        I guess I would have confessed to killing Kennedy.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 10:28 am

        “They were abducted and murdered by Hamas operatives:”

        “jon s” you might as well give up that cover story. Everybody knows it was a tragic love-triangle, resulting, as it sometimes does, in a murder-suicide. If only the Jewish community could be more open to polylaundry.

    • Marnie
      August 12, 2014, 1:39 am

      Yep, it was “bring back our boys”, they eulogized about their precious “children” and one was 19 years old so should have been in the IDF. They deny the Palestinians everything, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, a homeland, a childhood, etc. It makes me think of a young black youth, George Stinney, 14 years old, executed by electric chair in South Carolina in 1944, charged with the murder of 2 white girls, ages 7 and 11. He was a child, a very slightly built, 5′ 1″ tall, too small for the chair they killed him on.

    • tod77
      August 12, 2014, 10:54 am

      This whole thread is taking this issue the wrong way.
      The fact that the NYTimes report placed 15-17 year olds in the wrong category, is not an excuse to joke about the three 17-19 year olds that were murdered.
      (allegedly by Hamas – means that they might have been murdered by Hamas – not that they might be alive)
      Most Palestinian children died as non-combatants. Those 15-19 year old teenagers that died as combatants do not ease the blame from the Israeli or Palestinian leadership for this senseless bloodshed, and we have the right to mourn and honor their deaths, but that does not make it ok to justify the deaths of Israeli non-combatants.
      By demonizing Israeli citizens and undervaluing their deaths, you place yourself on the moral ground of an Israeli determining that a Palestinian 5 year old whose father works in the Hamas traffic police deserves to die.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 7:39 pm

        tod, I get it, I get it. The mean things said in the comment section at Mondoweiss is what is causing the Israelis to commit war crimes and atrocities. I get it..

      • tod77
        August 13, 2014, 4:05 am

        ????????

        No – I was actually thinking that the situation in Syria and the ebola virus are because of these comments…

        lol

  4. asda
    August 11, 2014, 3:37 pm

    I am utterly astonished at what is coming out in the papers, people trying to rationalise genocide. It is pure horror, no horror movie comes close to depicting what is becoming reality.

    • Kay24
      August 11, 2014, 6:30 pm

      It is shocking. Even the US politicians and the congress are deliberately justifying the brutality we all saw in the media, and the massacre of innocent civilians, by down playing all the deaths and trying to convince us all that Israel was a victim in this slaughter, and all deaths were not by those who used deadly weapons against these civilians, but by Hamas, who should have gone along with the Israeli lies to start this massacre, and not fought back.
      Only in this sick world of Israel and the US collaboration can such BS be made up.
      The words occupation, blockades, and genocide, will never be used by the zio supporters like Clinton and others, but it is freely used in the context of the Iraqi situation. Well, it seems the American leaders are okay with Israel mowing the lawn, and even provides the implements to achieve that.

  5. eGuard
    August 11, 2014, 5:18 pm

    Well. In the 0-4 year ages, Israel did not discriminate between M/F (is this a comfort?). Now can NYT, or Oren, explain why 5-9 years olds are killed extremely segregated by M/F?

  6. DCkids
    August 11, 2014, 5:32 pm

    You don’t analyze the statistics from the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, the “impressive” report that presumable justifies the NYT reporting. Of course, the Times itself notes that this analysis covers only the first six days of the conflict. In truth, it starts the day before the official Israeli start of Operation Protective Edge. In doing so, it adds 7 deaths as militants and none to civilians on July 7. Besides that, the report adds the names of six militants it says either did not appear on the health ministry’s list or appeared later.
    By the New York Times’s own count, 156 Palestinians died from July 8 to July 12. The center said it analyzed only the first 150 deaths. Yet the center’s count comes to 152. So something doesn’t quite add up. That’s in part because three deaths were unidentified, six deaths of militants were added and the center considered one reported death to be an error. Still, the group seems to give itself leeway to add and subtract names to prove its point. It stops its analysis before the ground assault began and the death toll mounted.
    What’s more, the center says it relies on a combination of social media and “Israel security sources” for its classifications. So there is no way to judge the quality of its assessments. The report itself mentions the difficulty of matching names, acknowledging that spellings were in some cases changed. Anyone who has ever tried to match a list of names to other sources of information will realize that you’ll encounter lots of errors. How did the center resolve names it considered misspelled?
    One way to evaluate the track record of this group, and of Israeli claims, is to look at Operation Cast Lead. The human rights group B’Tselem did a field evaluation of civilian deaths for the last conflict, trying to account for every person who died. The IDF and the Meir Amit center claimed then that only 40 percent of the deaths were noncombatants. But the government would not release its data. B’Tselem concluded after interviewing family members and gathering documentation that 76 percent of the deaths were civilians.
    Why are the numbers so different? Well, there’s not even agreement over the number of children who died, defined as anyone under 18. Israel says only 89 children were killed. Yet, B’Tselem says the number is 252. The human-rights group had copies of the birth certificates for the vast majority of them. Also, Israel seems to count police officers as combatants. B’Tselem does not. They accounted for 248 deaths.

    • tod77
      August 12, 2014, 11:50 am

      The Meir Amit center gives a very detailed list of the names of the dead according to the palestinian health ministry, but looking through their site, they make no distinction between children and adults – they list each death individually stating the precise age.
      Nothing on that site gave the NYTimes an excuse for representing 15-17 year olds as adults.
      I went over the list of names (currently the first 300 deaths).
      2 17-year olds, 1 18-year old and 3 19-year olds.
      Out of 300!
      I hardly see the statistical significance of counting these 2 17-year olds as children or as combatants.
      I agree with the notion that the percentage of civilians\ millitants is disputable, but what the NYTimes did here is inexcusable propaganda.
      They simplified and manipulated the data to the point that it served their agenda.
      That makes them no better than media that presents pictures of the dead from Syria as being from Gaza.
      The ethics code journalists should follow (link to spj.org for an example) has become a joke.

  7. cogit8
    August 11, 2014, 6:03 pm

    Boy, have we come a long way from Hannah Arendt’s (Banality of Evil) to the current bunch of hypocrites slouching their way to Bethlehem. But wait a second, here’s Emily Harris reporting from Buchenwald: “well it’s pretty much a normal sunny day here, the workers at this facility are queueing up for their work details, and as you might imagine they are also looking for their friends and relatives . . . “

  8. Blownaway
    August 11, 2014, 9:19 pm

    This is all an effort to avoid war crime charges. The actions of the IDF like handing out pictures of destroyed neighborhoods as trophies to the brigade headed by Meir Kahane’s son. Or the calls for genocide all speak to intentions. What they don’t know is that Abbas will be thrown some bones about some vague new peace process and all he will need to do is pacify Gaza like he did in the West Bank and all talk of war crimes will evaporate faster than a Palestinian state.

    • crone
      August 11, 2014, 11:30 pm

      I’m sure Abbas has already been thrown a bone… but this:

      Palestinian Justice Minister Saleem al-Saqqa told the Palestinian newspaper Al-Resalah that he was strongly opposed to withdrawing the complaint filed by the Palestinian Authority before the International Criminal Court.

      Pointing out that he is the only person authorized to withdraw the complaint, he made it clear that he had not taken such a step and insisted: “I will not withdraw.”

      link to voltairenet.org

  9. crone
    August 12, 2014, 12:02 am

    It really doesn’t matter what the psychopaths at NYTimes say…

    The PCL describes psychopaths as being callous and showing a lack of empathy, traits which the PPI describes as “coldheartedness.” The criteria for dissocial personality disorder include a “callous unconcern for the feelings of others.” There are now several lines of evidence that point to the biological grounding for the uncaring nature of the psychopath. For us, caring is a largely emotion-driven enterprise. The brains of psycopaths have been found to have weak connections among the components of the brain’s emotional systems. These disconnects are responsible for the psychopath’s inability to feel emotions deeply. Psychopaths are also not good at detecting fear in the faces of other people (Blair et al., 2004). The emotion of disgust also plays an important role on our ethical sense. We find certain types of unethical actions disgusting, and this work to keep us from engaging in them and makes us express disapproval of them. But psychopaths have extremely high thresholds for disgust, as measured by their reactions when shown disgusting photos of mutilated faces and when exposed to foul odors.

    One promising new line of research is based on the recent discovery of a brain network responsible for understanding the minds of others. Called the default mode network (because it also performs other tasks and is operating most of the time when we are awake) it involves a cluster of several different areas in the brain’s cortex. The first studies have been done on function of this network in psychopaths and as expected there are problems there. Different studies have noted “aberrant functional connectivity” among the parts of the network, along with reduced volume in some of the networks crucial areas.

    link to psychologytoday.com

  10. Daniel Rich
    August 12, 2014, 12:55 am

    Q: Serving Israel’s aim of lowering civilian deaths, ‘New York Times’ Gaza tally says 15- to 17-year-old’s aren’t children

    R: So, those 3 dead Apartheid State’s citizens were adults too. Cool.

    Where do we bomb this time? Beginning, middle or end of the open imprisonment camp? I would suggest the end, because we’ve already got too many ‘buffer zones’ where we’re at.

  11. NickJOCW
    August 12, 2014, 2:09 am

    Could this be part of efforts to paper over cracks before any ICC investigations,

    link to washingtontimes.com

    link to richardsilverstein.com

  12. michelle
    August 12, 2014, 2:58 pm

    .
    regardless of the age or sex of the dead
    where was the harm in them
    is their existance now a weapon
    are there no stun guns
    warriors don’t use guns to fight stones
    warriors don’t kill unarmed people
    murderers do though
    murderers kill any and all
    .
    we every and all are His children His beloved
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

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