Watch: Young Israeli Jew at Western Wall calls for ‘another war and another war and another war and another war’

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In the summer of 1998, I became a Bar Mitzvah at the Western Wall in occupied east Jerusalem. Sixteen years later, during Israel’s latest assault on the Gaza Strip, I attended an event billed as a prayer vigil for the well-being of Israeli soldiers in Gaza.

The Western Wall is a favorite for tourists and setting for countless photo-ops for politicians seeking the political blessing of Israel’s right-wing leadership. Part of a highly secured plaza, the Wall sits where the old city’s Moroccan Quarter once existed before Israeli forces demolished it shortly after its capture in 1967.

At the prayer vigil, I expected a somber mood. However, I found a tense atmosphere in which every Israeli I spoke to spouted some amount of racist and hyper-violent rhetoric.

The content I gathered portrays something of the besieged mentality and anti-Arab racism that is foundational in Israeli society. Though there is no shortage of horrifying moments, perhaps most mind-boggling is the claim to desire peace while being openly racist and inciting violence against Arabs on camera.

There were a handful of scenes I did not capture on film. At the time of the vigil, US officials had briefly banned American airplanes from landing at Ben-Gurion airport because of a rocket that had struck nearby. However, US Secretary of State John Kerry had flown in to once again futilely attempt to resuscitate negotiations. After a middle-aged woman described the vigil as peaceful and non-political, her husband shouted that he wished a rocket would have hit John Kerry’s plane.

After I spoke to the group of high school students, a middle-aged woman approached me. In fluent English, she seemed suspicious and began to question me. “Are you left wing or right-wing,” she asked. Careful not to expose myself, I told her, “I want peace. I know the army has to do what it has to do.” Still skeptical, she encouraged me to “join us,” and told me that if I were to “become right-wing,” I could live among them and marry. I asked for her contact information, but she refused to even identify herself. She told me that she couldn’t divulge her identity because she is an artist and that she was in the Air Force.

Throughout the evening, I wondered if I might be attacked for being perceived as smolinim — the Hebrew word for “leftist” — a dangerous label in Israel today. Never in my life had I felt so threatened for being a politically-minded Jew as I was that evening.

117 Responses

  1. Kay24
    August 12, 2014, 11:26 am

    What can you say? Disgusting people live over there. I have seen many videos like this throughout the years, and they are all similar in their thinking and in what they say. They have born and bred with hatred. They accuse the other side of hatred, and say they want power, but they are intellectually unable to see it is they who spew hatred and want to have the power over Arab civilians, are they so dumb that they cannot see holding people under occupation IS having power over them. It is frightening to think that these hate filled adults will be aiming their precision bombs into civilians soon. They steal their lands, control their water, and collectively punish them every day, and yet these brainwashed people keep blaming the side that has no one to protect them. All that enthusiasm for the US is hypocritical, they simply know that the US is there ONLY sugar daddy, they will easily turn on the US if we refuse to cooperate with their lobbies, and they will spew the same hatred, because their little brains are geared that way.

    • Chu
      August 12, 2014, 1:30 pm

      Wasn’t the entire argument of a Jewish State, was mainly based on their history of their plight in Europe? This isn’t worth much, when they’ve terrorized the Arabs of Palestine to get their wish (six decades of Palestinian oppression and enslavement). But the veneer of Arab terrorism in the US media is slowly eroding, since the terrorists are the ones who have all the weapons, coupled with endless excuses for the killing of civilians.

  2. American
    August 12, 2014, 11:36 am

    ” Never in my life had I felt so threatened for being a politically-minded Jew as I was that evening”>>>

    Like a German confronted by the SS for failing to give the Heil Hitler salute.

  3. Philip Weiss
    August 12, 2014, 11:39 am

    Thanks Dan for the great work!
    The question/criticism about such videos always is, How representative are they? How many young Israeli Jews are like this?
    The answer is plainly that a good number are like this. Maybe it’s minority, but it’s an empowered and confident strain in that society.
    When Herzl heard the anti-Semites saying Death to the Jews outside the Dreyfus trial, he did not say, Oh it’s only a few Parisians.

    • hophmi
      August 12, 2014, 2:31 pm

      Of course, these kinds of comments are always troubling, much as I know Israelis well enough to know that they are not educated at the American School of Proper Political Correctness, and that they often speak hyperbolically. These are people who have been running into bomb shelters on a daily basis for the last month. The answer is that it’s a conflict, and that people on one side of the conflict don’t like the people on the other side. You can find the same attitudes throughout the Arab world, only more plentiful.

      • Marnie
        August 12, 2014, 3:20 pm

        I find you’re analysis of this video infuriating and am thinking that’s the point of your post. “These are people who have been running into bomb shelters on a daily basis…” Nu? They have sirens to alert them, shelters to run to and apparently still have their legs so they can run. “The answer is that it’s a conflict”. Wrong. The answer is it is a cruel, colonializing, thieving, murderous occupation and they are without sanctuary. These little criminals on the video are scared out of their pathetic little minds; with all the latest weapons, there have been less than 5 civilian casualties. They bitch and moan about having to run to a bomb shelter? They’ve lost in many many ways, but their morality and humanity was lost decades ago.
        Oh by the way, you can find these very same attitudes throughout the world, they are plentiful and much better than mine.

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2014, 4:32 pm

        “I find you’re analysis of this video infuriating”

        I think what you find infuriating is that I don’t agree with you.

        “Nu? They have sirens to alert them, shelters to run to and apparently still have their legs so they can run.”

        So, in wherever it is that you live, if you’re in the middle of a long, violent conflict, and the side you’re fighting is weaker militarily than you are, but they makes your life hell by firing rockets into your neighborhood on a daily basis, and have made your lives hell in the past by killing lots of your kids in suicide bombings, do you think you and all of your neighbors are going to love them?

      • Marnie
        August 13, 2014, 1:07 am

        I’m sure that’s the very same conclusion that the “pioneers” had as they moved to the “savage” western frontier. Turn your damn wagon around and go back east!

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 5:59 pm

        Marnie, I agree. I don’t know why they think ‘tiresomeness hasbara‘ or ‘obnoxiousness hasbara‘ will work, but they seem pretty stuck on it.
        Like adult rich kids who act like complete shits, so their parents will be bullied into paying for an apartment or something.

        But Marnie, don’t be to upset with Hophmi. How would you like to get a computer, find out it only gets one website, and that website is one he can’t stand! But it’s the only website he can get. I’d be grouchy too, if that happened to me.

        Hophmi says: ‘I hate Mondoweiss, the articles are full of lies, and they’re all too short!’

      • Marnie
        August 13, 2014, 1:15 am

        Why doesn’t he just stick to porn? He’s so out of touch with reality; I would never expect him to agree with anything that doesn’t glorify the state of israel, it’s beautiful children in the above video (gag) and the honorable, “restrained” IDF. So he goes running with that premise and completely avoids the point. What a tool!

      • tod77
        August 13, 2014, 6:55 am

        Hophmi is wrong in what he says, but your answers to his post have been so full of hatred and incitement you sound a little like the people in the video.

        Hophmi – you are right that many similar videos exist showing palestinians saying the same about Israelis, but that does not make it acceptable.
        Many children growing up in on both sides of a conflict will grow up to be with views similar to those expressed in the video, but that is the exact reason why the occupation must end.

        To those commenting on hophmi – had the video depicted palestinians would you have said they are disgusting, bloodthirty, cruel, immoral and inhumane criminals?
        No – and that is the point hophmi was raising.
        You can and should say to this that the conflict is not balanced, because one side is a conqueror and the other conquered, but your attacks on hophmi say other things.

        Philip – IMHO your line “When Herzl heard the anti-Semites saying Death to the Jews outside the Dreyfus trial, he did not say, Oh it’s only a few Parisians.” really hits the nail. The occupation must end. Because it’s not getting any prettier.

      • eljay
        August 13, 2014, 8:44 am

        >> tod77: Hophmi – you are right that many similar videos exist showing palestinians saying the same about Israelis, but that does not make it acceptable.

        If nothing else, hophmeee is a consistent, Zio-supremacist hypocrite. Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews he will condemn, while similar acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews he will defend.

      • Marnie
        August 13, 2014, 10:32 am

        I normally don’t sugar coat anything unless I’m talking to a child. Okay?

      • hophmi
        August 13, 2014, 11:25 am

        Tod77, the difference between me and most here is that I have little trouble condemning these views expressed here, have done so since I became politically conscious in high school, and know well how easy it is to find Jews who express them, and how easy it is to find the much more plentiful Jews who would vehemently disagree with the views of those in the video. Westerners in the anti-Israel camp not only do not condemn the Palestinians and the Arabs in the Middle East who express similar views (and express them much more often and in much greater number); they actively encourage the hatred from Western sidelines, much in the way I see rightists in the Zionist community do the same, and they seem, just like those rightists, to think that people like me are the enemy.

      • hophmi
        August 13, 2014, 11:30 am

        “I normally don’t sugar coat anything unless I’m talking to a child. Okay?”

        Judging by your comment here, you ARE a child.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 1:54 pm

        ” The occupation must end. “

        When translated from the hasbara that means Israel keeps most everything it has stolen, and suffers no accountability.

      • just
        August 12, 2014, 3:22 pm

        That was not like any “hyperbole” that I have been subjected to.

        That was state- supported incitement, bigoted hatred, and support for the genocide of the Palestinian people, all done with smiles on their faces and wild (bad) dancing and singing.

        Israel might be able to lure some numbskull tourists, but I bet that the numbers will drop.

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2014, 3:43 pm

        “That was state- supported incitement, bigoted hatred, and support for the genocide of the Palestinian people, all done with smiles on their faces and wild (bad) dancing and singing.”

        State-supported? If some Minuteman here says we should throw out all of the immigrants, is that state-supported?

        ” all done with smiles on their faces and wild (bad) dancing and singing.”

        Yeah. They’re teenagers. Teenagers are not known for being thoughtful and rational.

        “Israel might be able to lure some numbskull tourists, but I bet that the numbers will drop.”

        Yes, I’m sure targeting Israeli civilians was meant in part to hurt the tourist industry.

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        August 13, 2014, 1:10 am

        But no Israeli civilians have been targeted. Hamas doesn’t have the ability to target.

      • Marnie
        August 13, 2014, 1:23 am

        “Yeah. They’re teenagers. Teenagers are not known for being thoughtful and rational.”

        Especially these ones, eh? These little (expletive self-deleted) are going to be in the army quicker than you can say “give me your documentation” and its horrifying that very soon they’ll be able to shoot off more than just their mouths. Their parents must be so proud – you can see it in the faces of the “adults” on this video – such pride! It must be quite a rush being part of the master race. “One nation, one country, one leader!”.
        Quit being an enabler.

      • Daniel Rich
        August 13, 2014, 2:55 am

        @ hopmi,

        I have 1,800 reasons not to believe you, and they all have one thing in common; they’re dead. Very dead.

        Now, off you go and find some more minute turrrurrrrists to kill [or have them killed for you].

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 1:56 pm

        See the way it works, Marnie? After a while, you will, out of a simple desire to get rid of him think that Hophmi should have his own country. That’s what he’s counting on, that he can wear everybody out with tiresomeness.

      • can of worms
        August 12, 2014, 3:44 pm

        kahn-flict?

        “they are not educated”? Pardon but can you please pass the grey poupon? People on one side of the kahn-flict don’t like the people on the other side of the kahn-flict. These are ordinary West Jerusalemites living on the other side of the apartheid-line from East Jerusalemites. People on one side of racial segregation don’t like the people on the other side of the racial segregation.

      • AbigailOK
        August 13, 2014, 5:32 pm

        @can of worms

        +1 and then some.

        (You may expand the West Jerusalemites to the whole …er..state of israel which has no boundaries but seems to expand by way of theft, intimidation and oh, sorry, I have to be political correct, right: government policy. Thus.)

      • Kay24
        August 12, 2014, 4:11 pm

        “You can find the same attitudes throughout the Arab world, only more plentiful.”

        We don’t have to “find” it, the joke is, we have been told, ad nauseam by the hasbarats, that it is the other side that is hateful, hands out sweets when there is violence against the western world or Israel, and that they want the “Jews” wiped off the map. The irony is seeing these Israeli blood thirsty young adults on the street, doing exactly what the other side is accused of, and as for who is being wiped off the map, the death tolls after yet another Israeli attack on the Palestinians, the shrinking maps, and the maps redrawn by Israel, truly show who is being wiped off. Looks like hasbara cannot convince the world of the lies anymore, Israel and it’s people are doing a pretty good job of making more people dislike it.

        The disgusting attack on the Prophet and Arabs, seems okay from the side that howls with outrage every time someone criticizes Israel. Imagine someone saying the same thing about Judaism!

      • MHughes976
        August 13, 2014, 9:51 am

        I keep mentioning Xenophon’s portrayal of the Helots and Inferiors in Sparta, subject to relentless exploitation, restriction, contempt and even legalised murder – ‘they want to eat the Spartans raw’. Oppressors too have a mindset which, though often very fastidious and self-consciously civilised, must lapse into some violent fantasies. Neither of these two are the same as – cannot mellow in the same way as – the normal bravado and occasional militarism of young males everywhere.
        We don’t, as Kay says, have to ‘find’ that the natural reaction to cruel treatment is not idealistic yearning for justice but vengefulness, fury and fantasies of raging destruction. We do have to expect it.
        Of the two, I would think that the violent state of mind of the oppressors is the worse one: oppressed people are at least reacting against something bad, the others reinforcing and supporting the same bad thing.

      • AbigailOK
        August 13, 2014, 5:38 pm

        @MHughes76

        That a besieged, starved, humiliated and murdered (even when Israel does not wage a crippling one-sided bombardment and send ground troops with snipers too in, it is killing people a.o. fishermen fishing for a livelihood) population living in squalor due to being confined in an ever smaller cage, is somehow trying to do something back, is imho very understandable. Who wouldn’t? Their grandparents were violently dispossessed, beaten, robbed, deported from what are now Israeli cities and dumped into Gaza in the late forties.

        Overall, already for years the Palestinians engage in non-violent resistance on the West Bank. Something the West has conveniently overlooked and the Israelis too since the latter hates the strategy since they cannot accuse them then of being mindless terrorist barbarians and it would trigger memories of Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi. Imagine…. Not that dumb Israeli politicians don’t call Palestinians barbaric. Like Netanyahoo who continuously projects his own vile character onto a whole population.

    • Inanna
      August 12, 2014, 9:01 pm

      How representative are they, Phil?

      One only has to look back at the history of Zionists aggression during the Mandate period and in 1947/48 and to this day to realize that this is what has been foundational in Zionist theory and practice and that what we are seeing today is no different to what the world has been witnessing for over a century. What part of ethnic cleansing of~750,000 and thousands massacred does it take to understand that the greatest crimes occurred nearly 70 years ago and this is just the logical conclusion? The world just colluded in this myth that there was not an extermination of the Palestinian state, there was no ‘wiping off the map’ and that there were no Palestinians pushed into the sea. Netanyahu is merely preparing his population for the next stage of this slo-mo genocide. Please don’t express shock over chanted slogans when the rhetoric and implementation has been going on for longer than most of us have been alive.

      Edited to add – I fear the next stage of this genocide might well be as catastrophic as 1947/48.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 1:59 pm

        “One only has to look back at the history of Zionists aggression during the Mandate period and in 1947/48 and to this day to realize that this is what has been foundational in Zionist theory and practice and that what we are seeing today is no different to what the world has been witnessing for over a century”

        That’s right!

      • Marnie
        August 14, 2014, 12:35 am

        Exactly right.

      • AbigailOK
        August 13, 2014, 5:45 pm

        @ Inanna

        My thoughts exactly. I frankly was taken aback by Mr. Weiss’s comment.

  4. Annie Robbins
    August 12, 2014, 12:04 pm

    this is an excellent video. nothing i wouldn’t expect from the society but it’s unusual to capture the dialogue from seemly rational people so concisely on camera. the football field comment, a call for genocide.

    • Chu
      August 12, 2014, 1:09 pm

      Great video. I felt like watching klansman w/o the garbs of course – these unabashed westernized Israelis. congress has a network of lobbyists for Israel swarming around their desks, and also gets a healthy dose of rabbis coming to the beltway to educate them on all things Jewish.

      Perhaps the opposition needs to get a few videos like this and a few foot soldiers to show Congress how their burgeoning social experiment in the Mid East is doing. This way the congress will have to acknowledge that they are witness to what is happening. -the problem is getting 10 minutes of the elected representatives time, while AIPAC offers them the full course dinner.

      • can of worms
        August 12, 2014, 3:11 pm

        @”show Congress how their burgeoning social experiment in the Mid East is doing.”

        Are people ready for the most radical, normal and moral solution —equal civil rights for everyone— or are they just trying to “show Congress” how bloody it all is, as if the congressionals didn’t love the smell of blood?

        Whether you believe the tail is wagging the dog, or that the dog is wagging its own tail, there’s no way any of it could dishevel a single strand of hair on that trained and groomed congressional body that savors the scent of an eternally unstable, bloody Middle East. Of course being chained to a ferocious Israel comes as both a liability and a benefit; but for now, the two beasts do feed on the same prey.

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2014, 3:50 pm

        This is also a video of an Israeli, one who lost a teenage nephew no less:

        link to youtube.com

        “I have no doubt that we can live in peace. I have no doubt that we will live in peace.”

        This is also a video of an Israeli teenager.

        link to youtube.com

        So stop with the hate and the anti-Israel sensationalism.

      • Chu
        August 12, 2014, 4:17 pm

        The video I was responding to was unabashed racism in the Israeli public square. Your videos don’t show that, but try and counter it with footage of the uncle? not clear if there’s any equivalency here.

        The uncle in the video you posted says he has ‘Palestinian friends’, but weren’t the boys students of the yeshiva in occupied territory?
        The area they were kidnapped in: Kfar Etzion settlement. (see map below) I don’t see how he can have Palestinian friends when his greater family is occupying Palestinian lands. Surely, he meant his mechanical was a Palestinian, so a friend.

        map of settlers: link to poica.org

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2014, 4:29 pm

        ” I don’t see how he can have Palestinian friends when his greater family is occupying Palestinian lands.”

        You don’t? Really? It’s impossible for people to be friends when there’s an existing political conflict? I think you’re, once again, projecting your radical left orthodoxy onto other people who don’t hate as much as you do.

        Despite extremists around the world who love to set people against one another, there are Palestinians and Israelis who are friends with one another.

        “It’s doubtful that the uncle has Palestinian friends, but not really the issue here. What matters is the footage of the people at the Western Wall. Can you even condemn what they are saying is racist and very disturbing? I think you’ll defend them, because your views are their views.”

        Who are you to say whether the guys has Palestinian friends or not?

        I condemn the views expressed, if I did not make that clear when I said that they disturbed me, and you know damn well they are not my views, Chu.

      • James Canning
        August 12, 2014, 4:31 pm

        More such friendships would be a good thing, in my judgment.

      • Chu
        August 12, 2014, 4:33 pm

        It’s doubtful that the uncle has Palestinian friends, but not really the issue here. What matters is the footage of the people at the Western Wall. Can you even condemn what they are saying is racist and very disturbing? I think you’ll defend them, because your views are their views.

      • Chu
        August 12, 2014, 4:50 pm

        “I condemn the views expressed, if I did not make that clear when I said that they disturbed me, and you know damn well they are not my views…”

        Oh good. that’s encouraging to know. but if you think I ‘damn well’ know what’s going on inside you head you do have me confused with someone else. I remember when you didn’t condemn the destruction of the Mamilla cemetary. But thanks for the silver lining.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 6:18 pm

        “and you know damn well they are not my views”

        No, you ran away from Protective Edge, disappeared down a rabbit hole, and then popped back up like it never happened.

        So, Hophmi, you are ready to disclaim, to repudiate, Protective Edge?

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 6:06 pm

        “So stop with the hate and the anti-Israel sensationalism.”

        Stop ordering people around. Maybe that might help, Hophmi.

      • Inanna
        August 12, 2014, 9:02 pm

        Hey Mooser, I love the optimism that thinks that anything can help Hophmi.

      • Pixel
        August 13, 2014, 12:11 am

        @chu

        Better a few foot soldiers go into Congress show them tons of cash and buy them back.

      • Daniel Rich
        August 13, 2014, 8:02 am

        @ Inanna,

        Q; Hey Mooser, I love the optimism that thinks that anything can help Hophmi.

        R: A brother may be wrong and misguided, but that’s no reason to leave him behind on a charred battlefield…

        Honor and Strength.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 4:58 pm

        ” A brother may be wrong and misguided, but that’s no reason to leave him behind on a charred battlefield… “

        ♪ “He ain’t Hophmi, He’s My Bother”

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 2:01 pm

        “Hey Mooser, I love the optimism that thinks that anything can help Hophmi.”

        The only thing that could ever change Hophmi’s deepest feelings is a larger check. When he’s bought, he stays bought!

      • hophmi
        August 13, 2014, 2:06 pm

        “The only thing that could ever change Hophmi’s deepest feelings is a larger check. When he’s bought, he stays bought!”

        For what must be the thousandth time, no one is paying me. Is anyone paying you, Mooser?

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 2:51 pm

        “For what must be the thousandth time, no one is paying me. Is anyone paying you, Mooser”

        Hophmi, you’ve heard the story (in the version I heard, it’s attributed to Lyndon Johnson) of the politician who accused his opponent of being, well, involved in bestiality with porcine beings. His campaign manager said “You’re going to call him a pigf–ker? Why, you know it’s not true!” And the answer was: “Yes, but I just want to hear him deny it!”

        And you did deny it, right on schedule. You are so predictable.

      • hophmi
        August 13, 2014, 3:08 pm

        “And you did deny it, right on schedule. You are so predictable.”

        Thanks. I’m glad that the rules here allow people to purposely lie about others just so that they can be heard denying it. Some might call that a fun activity. Others might say that the people who engage in it are by definition deeply dishonest, and thus, lack basic credibility.

        Mooser, when it comes to predictability and predictable dishonesty, nobody takes a back seat to you.

      • Daniel Rich
        August 13, 2014, 2:56 am

        @ Chu,

        Q: I felt like watching klansman w/o the garbs of course…

        R: Chu. I didn’t recognize you without those bedsheets…

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 4:30 pm

        “Mooser, when it comes to predictability and predictable dishonesty, nobody takes a back seat to you.”

        Yeow! Shot through the heart, and you’re to blame, Hophmi. You give tribal unity a bad name!

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 5:10 pm

        “For what must be the thousandth time, no one is paying me.”

        Hophmi, you should point out that the idea of anybody paying you to do this is a libel against the standards of hasbara dissemination organizations!

        Anyway, Hophmi, it’s not that you do deny it, it’s how you deny it. Frankly, I would never have dignified so scurrilous an asseveration with a response.

    • AbigailOK
      August 13, 2014, 5:50 pm

      Yes. And the worse of the matter is, is that this is not one single freak who speaks his mind. Neither this guy nor these foul-mouthing teenagers are a minority. Halevai (wish it was so).

      To be frank, no government leader has said anything. Thus, they give the green light to go even further and somehow, I fear some may already know the scenario. Israel is not being stopped and it knows it. Who would stop them next time? Who will? And that’s what makes these sociopaths drunk with bloodthirsty thoughts of owning the USA and being masters of the universe.

      • just
        August 13, 2014, 6:02 pm

        Oh, plenty of government leaders said an awful lot. They incited, condoned, and obviously approve of it!

  5. just
    August 12, 2014, 12:16 pm

    That’s not like any “prayer vigil” that I’ve ever seen or been to.

    It’s an abomination. When people talk about “dancing” Palestinians, I’ll have this to show them. They were celebrating death and advocating for more.

    Thanks, Dan.

    • American
      August 12, 2014, 4:53 pm

      ” an existing political conflict’..hoppie

      This isnt a political conflict–this is Israel stealing Palestine land and killing Palesitnes so they can steal more land.
      A bit more than political.

  6. Stephen Shenfield
    August 12, 2014, 12:38 pm

    I think the desire for peace is genuine, but what it means is peace — an untroubled life — for their own collective, i.e., for Israel and Jews. Not for anyone else. The traditional song-prayer for peace “Oseh shalom” makes this meaning explicit, culminating in the line: “Shalom aleinu ve’al kol Israel” (Peace to us and to all Israel). The Israeli folk singer Mosh Ben Ari tried to detribalize the message by changing the line to: “Shalom aleinu ve’al kol ha’olam” (Peace to us and to all the world) — and also introducing an Arabic version. But the original better fits the sentiments of the people in this video.

    • eljay
      August 12, 2014, 1:14 pm

      >> S.S.: I think the desire for peace is genuine, but what it means is peace — an untroubled life — for their own collective, i.e., for Israel and Jews. Not for anyone else.

      Zio-supremacists are happy to talk about peace because in their minds, at least, peace does not involve justice or accountability.

      They’re also happy to talk about morality, but only the Zio-supremacist version of morality, which is goal + methods.

      Example:
      – Morality = supremacist “Jewish State” (goal) + ethnic cleansing, occupation, colonization and oppression (methods).
      – Morality allowing Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands.

      • eljay
        August 12, 2014, 3:28 pm

        Hmmm…it seems that the text editor didn’t like my “does not equal” sign, so I’ll try it this way:

        Example:
        – Morality = supremacist “Jewish State” (goal) + ethnic cleansing, occupation, colonization and oppression (methods).
        – Morality =/= allowing Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands.

    • American
      August 12, 2014, 2:48 pm

      Peace for zionist does not mean peace, it means conquering and vanquishing their many enemies…and everyone is their enemy.
      There are some people for whom success alone is not enough—–their satisfaction to be complete means totally destroying the other/competitor/opponent.
      If Israel could destroy all the Palestines today once and for all it wouldnt matter, tomorrow they would move on to completely destroying some other enemy, Iran or Syria or Europe…that is the nature of zionism…they will never run out of existential threats.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 6:10 pm

        “they will never run out of existential threats.”

        When Jews were emancipated, and considered individuals, a class of overseers, exploiters and intermediaries lost their position. Zionism is their last shot at bossing and exploiting Jews.
        Jews are not an undifferentiated mass.

      • gamal
        August 12, 2014, 6:16 pm

        “Jews are not an undifferentiated mass.”

        Eh, no one hates or slaughters Muslims like our rulers, I once worked for a Kuwaiti contractor whose only criterion (Roha is still around or that would have been criteria) in hiring was “No Muslims”, which seemed unfair as he was hugely oppressive, why should we escape.

      • gamal
        August 12, 2014, 7:01 pm

        and everyone forgets the huge love Muslims have for Jews and Christians, may I suggest, when my library, currently in storage in Melbourne gets here I can post quotes from the Boys, we are lost without each other, since Sisi something broke in my mind, getting old, the young must pick up the burden,

        Sitting bull once said to paraphrase ” my heart is sweet, I know this because all things put out their tongues to my heart when they pass” in the same way Musa you seduce with a sweet heart. i aint asking you out or anything and of course will respond forcefully to your insolence, its the Semito-Celtic way. you should really check if you have a spare hour
        link to youtube.com

        its very beautiful, in my worthless opinion, and if a tear doesnt rise to your eye when the qari relates “Umi Musa” everyone forgets the love Muslims have for Jews and Christians and as Kuftarro emphasized its the “hate none love all” core that is our essence. respect Mooser, something broke in mind when Egypt died, I am lost. It would sound great with a Organ interpretation. You may not recall years age posting as “Oxus in exile” on Lenins tomb you thanked me for a long post on Islah and khilafah, your heart has saved me from despair. Respect, also you are even older than me, ha (tbk), which is you know something. I never smoke Palmate shit.

      • AbigailOK
        August 13, 2014, 6:05 pm

        Uh, that is exactly what Israeli hasbara also maintains about other Muslim countries. How coincidental. Whataboutery.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2014, 7:47 pm

        “Jews are not an undifferentiated mass.”

        I take it back. After Protective Edge, and the events surrounding it, we might as well be.

      • Philemon
        August 12, 2014, 9:33 pm

        Mooser, don’t be an ass!

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 2:06 pm

        “Mooser, don’t be an ass!”

        I’ve been shocked to the core by the events of the past month or so. The collusion between America and Israel, the pretexts, it’s awful.
        I really overestimated the things I could laugh off with a brittle jape or two.
        Anyway, I’m sorry.

      • AbigailOK
        August 13, 2014, 5:57 pm

        @ Mooser

        +1!!

      • Philemon
        August 13, 2014, 8:33 pm

        Naw, Mooser, don’t apologize. It’s hard not be all defeatist sometimes. But you shouldn’t! So there.

  7. Chu
    August 12, 2014, 12:54 pm

    But all of those interviewed have one glaring problem – They live in Arab lands but are seemingly more comfortable in their walled-ghetto by the sea. Even if they take over the West Bank & eradicate the Gaza Strip, Israelis are a minority state in the Arab world. They have created their own little protected enclave, with military gifts and securities from the diaspora.

  8. chet
    August 12, 2014, 1:05 pm

    Absolutely as expected — not an iota of surprise.

    N/w/s some faint voices of reason, when can a society, in its entirety, be adjudged as vile?

  9. Stern Gang
    August 12, 2014, 1:19 pm

    All too often the “feral/rabid” Palestinians are painted in this light. It is an anomaly for these types of stories to be heard by the public. The go to is to pin it on one side. However, both sides have parties that have sheer hatred for the other. The pro-Israel American media provides one narrative. However, the herds are o.k. with this practice because they have been deluged with the same story incessantly.

    • Ron Edwards
      August 12, 2014, 2:01 pm

      Your phrasing about “sides” is indefensible. There are not sides. One powerful state holds approximately half of the people in its purview in conditions ranging from discrimination to outright death-camp, depending on location. This is not about two sides with even a glimmer of equivalent status, nor about competing policies for a given entity, nor about two hostile policies in conflict. One does not choose a “side.” This is not a matter of opinion.

      Whoops, editing this in. This post is not a personal attack on you. I’m talking about terminology. I do find your username startling but am willing to learn more about why you chose it.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 4:45 pm

        “Your phrasing about “sides” is indefensible.”

        As is, to me, the talk of a “war” with Gaza. You’re having a “war” with territory you already occupy? That’s not a war, that’s an attack on an occupied population or territory. That designation “war” covers a multitude of sins, and conjures up a multitude of false equivalences.

        But I’m not sure we have any news-speakable language for what Israel is doing. Any language which came closer to the truth would jar terribly with the melodramatic Manicheanism which pervades (at least the American) media discourse now. And we all fall into it, or pieces of it, now and then.

    • Kay24
      August 12, 2014, 2:26 pm

      It would be a miracle if the US media showed this awful racist video, and brought it to the attention of naive Americans. These are blood thirsty young adults, full of hatred and racism. The future IDF soldiers, who would take their anger and rage into the wars they are constantly fighting against unarmed civilians. It is frightening.

      So similar to nazi youth.

      • bilal a
        August 12, 2014, 5:01 pm

        MW

        I dare you to interview young soldiers families at a mall outside a US military base. This is the culture which sprang forth civilian murder games and body part trophies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

        these Israeli kids seem actually quite constrained relative to other populations.

        U.S. Soldiers Allegedly Killed Afghan Civilians, Kept Body Parts As Trophies
        link to huffingtonpost.com

      • tod77
        August 13, 2014, 8:11 am

        Completely agree with you Bilal.
        “Naive Americans”????
        That’s going easy on America.
        Western civilization is anti-muslim, anti-arab, anti-anything not western.
        People are people.
        Children worldwide are growing up learning otherwise.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 4:34 pm

        “Western civilization is anti-muslim, anti-arab, anti-anything not western.”

        Gosh, Tod77, the whole world sucks (No.4), doesn’t it?

      • tod77
        August 13, 2014, 6:19 pm

        @mooser:
        If the world didn’t suck, we’d fall off.
        Unless…
        link to en.wikipedia.org
        Was that what you were criticizing?

  10. ThorsteinVeblen2012
    August 12, 2014, 1:24 pm

    I wish he would have asked these kids raised in Israeli schools and following Israeli media what the “final solution” to the Palestinian problem should be.

    How is this any different than a lynch mob during Jim Crow or any other morbid spectacle from history?

    For all the vaunted Jewish cultural emphasis on education these kids and Israeli culture they were raised in seems to have learned nothing.

    History repeats itself

    first as tragedy, then as farce.

  11. can of worms
    August 12, 2014, 1:26 pm

    Rania Masri: “We need to recognize what barbaric is. Barbaric is racism. Barbaric is defining Palestinians as a ‘demographic threat.’ A demographic threat and therefore considering that Palestinian existence is a threat to Israeli survival. Our existence is a threat to their survival, which means that the mere fact that we exist is justification for them to kill us. That is barbaric. That is racism. That is Zionism. And that is what we must end.” link to mondoweiss.net

    RE: “How representative are they?” A notion that Israel is burdened by “Arabs” in its midst is, after all, the essence of Zionism. These kids are not sophisticated enough to hide their solutions of choice under the flag of ‘peace’ and ‘rights’, they are not sophisticated enough to throw out lies and confusion, but they are at least knowledgeable enough to be very aware of the limits of what can be said in front of the foreign camera when they openly speak of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    • Anon y Mouse
      August 12, 2014, 1:48 pm

      These kids are not sophisticated enough to hide their solutions of choice under the flag of ‘peace’ and ‘rights’, they are not sophisticated enough to throw out lies and confusion, but they are at least knowledgeable enough to be very aware of the limits of what can be said in front of the foreign camera when they openly speak of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

      Well, almost knowledgeable enough.

      Cameras are everywhere. They can’t hide their true faces any more.

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2014, 4:17 pm

        No one is trying to hide in Israel. Whether there are some teenagers who say nasty stuff or not, it does not change the fact that Israeli civilians are regularly targeted by Hamas rockets and does not change the fact that before that, it was suicide bombings.

      • American
        August 12, 2014, 4:41 pm

        Two dead Israelis and one deadvThai worker—-2000 dead Palestines.
        Cry me a river .

      • Kay24
        August 12, 2014, 6:55 pm

        Much as you whine about those suicide bombers according to the facts the last suicide bomber was in 2008. The total number of those killed by suicide bombers over the years have been 804.
        The last massacre of Palestinians in Gaza which still goes on, resulted in the deaths of 2000 of which at least 80 percent were civilians. More children were killed than militants. We should not forget Cast Lead (1500 Palestinians) and other massacres, and the daily killing of Palestinians over the years. Strange, you guys inflict the most casualties and whine about being victims.
        Do you see a discrepancy in the numbers, when you cry about those rockets, or was math not your favorite subject?

      • Philemon
        August 12, 2014, 7:40 pm

        Two thousand or more killed outright. Then, there are all those, close to 10,000, who were critically wounded, with hospitals, medical staff, and ambulances bombed, water treatment and sewage plants bombed, power plants bombed, food, animals and farms bombed…

        The onslaught of bombing night and day was bad enough, but I’m still worried about the aftermath. Disease, dehydration, starvation, and practically no medical care for those 10,000 egregiously wounded.

      • eGuard
        August 13, 2014, 5:21 am

        h: Israeli civilians are regularly targeted — Not true.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 7:26 pm

        “The onslaught of bombing night and day was bad enough, but I’m still worried about the aftermath. Disease, dehydration, starvation, and practically no medical care for those 10,000 egregiously wounded.”

        The toll will dwarf the number killed in the attacks. And it will go almost completely unreported, I fear.

      • eljay
        August 14, 2014, 7:21 am

        >> hophmeee: Whether there are some teenagers who say nasty stuff or not, it does not change the fact that Israeli civilians are regularly targeted by Hamas rockets and does not change the fact that before that, it was suicide bombings.

        And it does not change the fact that for over 60 years Zio-supremacist Jews and their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” have been:
        – stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land;
        – oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians;
        – refusing to end their offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – refusing to honour their obligations under international law;
        – refusing to accept responsibility and accountability for their past and ON-GOING (war) crimes;
        – refusing to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    • Chu
      August 12, 2014, 2:27 pm

      the one girl in the beginning thanked America for the support, and then proceeded to give a shout-out to Kahane! whoopsie…

      • Kay24
        August 12, 2014, 4:15 pm

        That love for America is mostly hypocrisy. I have seen videos of and comments by, similar thugs, hating America and using those same eff words about Obama.
        They just need us like parasites would.

      • Chu
        August 12, 2014, 4:26 pm

        Agree, her thanks to America is not sincere. Israel never gives back to the US. It’s a one way funnel that flows east. Ask the Zionists what Israel provides the US and you’ll get some happy talk about medical technology, et al. We’re like a partnership, and they’re the girlfriend that spends all your money with nothing to show for it. but don’t try and end this special relationship and run for the door, because she’ll be with you whether you like it or not. She’s gonna be around a long time. Only a few more face lifts and she’s ready for the world.

      • Kay24
        August 12, 2014, 6:58 pm

        I have said this before, the US is the sugar daddy, and Israel is the spoilt and crafty diva, that has control over it, and keeps demanding for more and more.

        The US cannot extricate itself from it’s tentacles.

  12. Taxi
    August 12, 2014, 2:04 pm

    “Jewish Daish”.

    That’s what israelis are now called in the middle east: jewish Daish. Why? Because locals cannot see the distinction or difference in both action and ideology between zionists and Daish. Your regular middle easterner is equally disgusted and mortified by the horrors of both.

    You hear a lot of Levant people cussing out the islamic Daish for their massacres in Syria and Iraq. And you also hear them cussing out the jewish Daish for their massacres in Gaza. Often they cuss them both out in the same sentence.

    (For those who do not know: Daish is another name for ISIS).

    • Inanna
      August 12, 2014, 9:07 pm

      This is exactly right. I also include the fascist Lebanese Christians in this mob. They have the same ethno-religious supremacy mentality. I’ve been calling them Christian Salafists and Jewish Salafists but referring to them as Da3ish might be a better term.

  13. James Canning
    August 12, 2014, 2:13 pm

    Endless war or near-war is a certainty, if Israel tries to keep the West Bank. And what is the cost to the American people? Trillions of dollars.

  14. American
    August 12, 2014, 3:01 pm

    Follow Max [email protected]

    Al Mezan Center for Human Rights in Gaza accuses Jodi @Rudoren of “lack of professionalism”
    link to 972mag.com

    lol…’lack of professionalism’ is very p.c. talk.
    however you might as well accuse a snake of being a snake, the snake doesnt care.

    • Chu
      August 12, 2014, 4:28 pm

      where’ Yossi Gurvitz? He went into hiding a few months ago. hmmm…

  15. weiss
    August 12, 2014, 4:38 pm

    Israeli Brown-Shirts in action once again…

    Conveniently forgetting Totalitarian Fascism is on the FAR RIGHT…

    Is it even possible to be in the CENTER???

    THIS JEW WILL NOT BE SILENT…

    • Mooser
      August 12, 2014, 6:15 pm

      We might ask ourselves how we will protect children today from Zionist indoctrination and recruitment, given in the guise of and under the auspices of Jewish religious education.

      • Pixel
        August 13, 2014, 12:19 am

        .
        +1

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2014, 2:59 pm

        Pixel have you been noticing the bit of history from the Reform Movement in Judaism I’ve been linking?

        “It was that year that the Hebrew Union College was founded with Rabbi Wise as its first president. To celebrate the ordination of its first graduating class in 1883, the seminary threw a lavish banquet that included, to the horror of traditional Jews in attendance, clams, shrimp and other traif. This shattered Rabbi Wise’s dream that all Jews in the United States would be unite as the “Union of American Hebrew Congregations.”

        Over shrimp and clams, defiance schism, and intentional slights ( do you know what it does to glat kosher person to be served trefe?)
        an entire denomination at odds with the establishment, eventually forcing the establishment to accept it. Over Zionism, well maybe it’s time for a discussion in the big happy family. I don’t get it, or maybe I’m just nuts.

      • tod77
        August 14, 2014, 4:09 am

        Haven’t we been asking enough?
        What’s the answer mooser?

    • tod77
      August 14, 2014, 4:23 am

      Weiss – well said.
      I used to consider myself center 20 years ago. My views haven’t changed yet I find myself in the extreme left.
      You say “this jew will not be silent”.
      What can be done?
      How do you stop brown shirts?

  16. RobertB
    August 12, 2014, 6:37 pm

    Let My People Go

    By Chris Hedges
    August 12, 2014

    “God’s covenant in the Promised Land was not made with those who pilot F-16 fighter jets that drop 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs over the concrete hovels of Gaza. It was not made with those operating Apache or Cobra attack helicopters that unleash lethal fire over crowded refugee camps. It was not made with drone operators that clinically kill children … outside mosques. It was not made with M-60 tank units and artillery crews that murder families huddled in terror in their homes. It was not made with those on gunboats that slaughter boys playing on a beach. It was not made with those that fire Sidewinder missiles and drop 250-pound “smart bombs” on apartment blocks. It was not made with snipers from the Golani Brigade that gun down unarmed men and women for sport. It was not made with occupiers that reduce an entire people to a starvation diet—indeed count the calories to keep them barely alive—or to those who use words like “mowing the lawn” to justify the indiscriminant slaughter of innocents.”

    link to informationclearinghouse.info

  17. Les
    August 12, 2014, 8:21 pm

    The following is part of a comment on Common Dreams,

    “Israel” is turning into a mirror image of Nazi Germany, which is hardly surprising as the new ideology of National Judaism mirrors in many ways the ideology of National Socialism.

    link to commondreams.org

  18. james3
    August 12, 2014, 9:18 pm

    Dopey Americans sound like simple Israelis and casual Palestinians.

  19. Citizen
    August 13, 2014, 10:30 am

    Mohammed Abu Khdeir’s killer: “We are Jews, we have a heart.” link to ynetnews.com

  20. Kathleen
    August 14, 2014, 12:13 am

    Brutal and ugly racism spewed out of these young people’s mouths. Racist…and then they gloat about it. The one young man said “not in front of the camera” so one knows that this racism is even more ugly off camera.

  21. jaybs
    August 14, 2014, 5:19 am

    How completely sad the doctrine that is drilled into these young people at such a young age, and they accept it as truth without any question. On the weekend I was attacked on twitter, after posting tweets with my concern for the innocent young people and women whose lives have been taken away from them in Gaza, by a state just intent to kill and destroy, I was showered with a tirade of insults and lectures one by a 16 year old Jewish boy who has been in a popular UK TV programme, it was just pure drivel, then he re-posted it and I was then attacked by all his Jewish young friends?

    I was born a Christian, in the Church of England, yes I was guided by my parents, but then given freedom of choice, I was 24 before I was confirmed, yes that disappointed Mum, but it was my choice when I found it right. I have Friends of all faiths and we accept each openly, why has Israel and some of the Jewish faith become so bitter?

  22. Mikhael
    August 14, 2014, 6:53 am

    Young Israeli Jew says war is necessary against the Hamas terror gang. Contrast with old Palestinian Arab woman waxing nostalgic about the 1929 Arab massacre of Jews in Hebron and longing for those good old days:

    link to youtube.com

    And here we have more recent footage of fanatics in the Hague

    link to youtube.com

    Beginning at 2:25, I can easily recognize, even with my faulty Arabic, the chant of
    al mawt, al mawt, al mawt ila al yahud
    الموت, الموت , الموت لليهود
    (“Death, death, death–death to the Jews”)

    followed by what seems to be a variation on the good ol’ Khaybar cheer
    (خيبر خيبر يا يهود جيش محمد سيعود)
    Khaybar Khaybar, O Jews, Mohammed’s army will return
    (Lustily taunting Jews with an allusion to the slaughter of the Jews of Khaybar in Arabia by Muslims )
    But I don’t get what they are saying instead of “Khaybar”–sounds like “Zahr”?

    Walid? MY1? Gamal? Anyone?

    • Justpassingby
      August 14, 2014, 9:39 am

      Mikhael
      Hamas gang? These people in Israel called for genocide, apparently your own racism against the non jews keeps you from condemning that.

    • talknic
      August 14, 2014, 9:52 am

      @ Mikhael WOW! Un-corroborated subtitle translations by Memri the pro-Zionist Colonizers propaganda outfit … impressive stuff

      2nd vid @ about 2 min in a guy asks person with the camera if they’re undercover but shows no threatening behaviour .. Jew hatred fail ..
      link to youtu.be

      ” even with my faulty Arabic, the chant of
      al mawt, al mawt, al mawt ila al yahud
      الموت, الموت , الموت لليهود
      (“Death, death, death–death to the Jews”)”

      The people of Gaza aren’t fighting Catholics or a Catholic state. It’s the Jewish state, led by … lemme see now… oh yeh …… Jews.

      • RobertB
        August 14, 2014, 10:21 am

        Just wondering if this is related to MEMRI TV & its hasbara mission:

        ” MEMRI was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in Israeli military intelligence, and another Israeli Meyrav Wurmser.

        When founded in 1998, MEMRI’s staff of seven included three who had formerly served in military intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).

        Yigal Carmon — MEMRI’s founder and President. Carmon is fluent in Arabic. He served as Colonel in the Military Intelligence Directorate (Israel) from 1968 to 1988.

        Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli is a Senior Analyst at MEMRI… He spent most of his professional career at the World Bank, and has consulted for the International Monetary Fund.

        Meyrav Wurmser (co-founding Executive Director). Wurmser was one of the authors of the “Clean Break” document which proposed reshaping Israel’s “strategic environment” in the Middle East, starting with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

        Steven Stalinsky has been Executive Director of MEMRI for a decade. Mr. Stalinsky’s has briefed staff of the White House, State Department, Homeland Security, Justice Department, Office of Director of National Intelligence.

        Meyrav Wurmser is a central figure in the right-wing’s web of Middle East policy institutes, as is her husband, David Wurmser.”

        The Board of directors and advisors of MEMRI includes Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz, Elie Wiesel, John Bolton, Nathan Sharansky, Elliott Abrams, Paul Bremer, Steve Emerson, Edgar Bronfman, Mort Zuckerman, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, Jeffrey Kaufman, Oliver “Buck” Revell, Robert Reilly.”

  23. calm
    August 14, 2014, 7:10 am

    American sympathy has turned to the tearful folks on a mountain top in Iraq and away from the Palestinian Folks who dwell in a valley surrounded by raw sewage and rotting corpses.

    On the Mountain Top it is said to be all about “Cruelty” and “Survival”, and in Gaza it said to be all about “Legalities”.

    In Iraq the narrative begins with “Innocence” and “Morality”, and in Gaza the narrative begins with “Was It Legal?”

    Calm

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