Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel’s mainstream critics

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Maybe you saw that a top minister in Israel’s government accused John Kerry, the US secretary of state, of anti-Semitism? John Kerry made the mistake of saying that if only Israel made peace with the Palestinians, that would cut down on extremism in the region. From Haaretz:

Economy Minister Naftali Bennett attacked U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry over his comments Friday connecting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and extremism in the Middle East.

“It turns out that even when a British Muslim decapitates a British Christian, there will always be someone to blame the Jew,” he said.

Here are Kerry’s original remarks, on Thursday:

As I went around and met with people in the course of our discussions about the ISIL coalition, the truth is we – there wasn’t a leader I met with in the region who didn’t raise with me spontaneously the need to try to get peace between Israel and the Palestinians, because it was a cause of recruitment and of street anger and agitation that they felt – and I see a lot of heads nodding – they had to respond to. And people need to understand the connection of that. And it has something to do with humiliation and denial and absence of dignity

Bennett’s accusation is not singular. As Israel grows more isolated in world opinion in the wake of the Gaza slaughter, the anti-Semitism charge is being thrown around  in a new way, at a new crowd. It’s now slung whenever westerners are too critical of Israel.

Ari Shavit, the writer who’s a darling of liberal Zionists, accused westerners of anti-Semitism at the end of the Gaza onslaught:

“In the final week of the war in Gaza this summer that took the lives of 72 Israelis and more than 2100 Palestinians, Shavit wrote that strong objection to Israeli conduct was illegitimate and amounted to anti-Semitic bigotry: ‘We’re a tiny minority nation under attack, and sweeping criticism of this nation is like sweeping criticism of the black, gay or Yazidi minority.’”  —Nathan Thrall in the London Review of Books.

A very similar charge was made by Matti Friedman, a former AP reporter in Jerusalem, who accused international media, including American outlets, of anti-Semitism for the way they told the story of the Gaza onslaught, as being Israel’s fault, when the real story was that Israel was taking on Hamas just as the US is taking on ISIS. At On the Media (minute 5):

What we’re seeing is extremely critical coverage of the actions of the Israeli government, and I would argue that this [alleged media] interest in the holy land– I think that there’s a very thin line between that and development of a hostile obsession with the moral failings of Jews, which as we know is a very deep thought pattern in the west.

Also in the context of Gaza, Human Rights Watch director Ken Roth was accused of a “deepseated hostility to the Jewish state” and an “immoral anti-Israel obsession.” Roth (whose father escaped Nazi Germany) has said that the charge is a charge of anti-Semitism.

Also in the context of Gaza, religion writer Mark Oppenheimer wrote at Tablet that liberal Protestants who support Palestinian rights seem to him to be anti-Semitic because they have a caricature of Jews as the Israel lobby and

“feel that there are no good Jews left. Except the ones that are entirely secular and anti-Zionist.”

I do wonder if the anti-Semitism charge is being exhausted by this extensive service, that it’s losing its sting. More wild accusations of anti-Semitism:

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach has accused Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem of being anti-Semites, in the Jerusalem Post, for saying that the Gaza slaughter amounted to a “genocide.”

David Horowitz has said that Barack Obama is anti-Semitic because he supports the Palestinian Authority, which includes Hamas.

Mike Huckabee said that Obama is anti-Semitic in his response to violence in the West Bank last summer.

Einat Wilf, a former member of the Israeli Knesset, accused former British foreign secretary Jack Straw of anti-semitism for stating that the Israel lobby has too much control over US policymaking. Chuck Hagel and John Mearsheimer and Steve Walt were all meretriciously accused of anti-Semitism for that allegation.

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  1. Horizontal
    October 19, 2014, 12:35 pm

    If you can’t criticize Israel after killing children in a hospital, what’s left? That’s right, there is apparently no plausible reason for criticizing Israel without it being anti-Semitic at its base. A pretty neat trick.

    We are always reminded by Israeli supporters that they want Israel treated like any other country, then when that standard is applied, it’s cast as “singling out” Israel because some other event in the world was worse (although $3 billion of my tax money isn’t going to fund (insert outrage de jour here) and every presidential candidate doesn’t genuflect before the (insert previous outrage de jour’s American political lobby, if there even is one) claiming 110% support running up to each election, regardless of party affiliation or political outlook.

    It’s a weird mindset, a seeming disengagement with human nature, common sense and cause and effect. To cast all criticism as anti-Semitism only serves to mask the real thing, but maybe that’s the only card Zionists have left to play.

    I’m reminded of the behavior of the bully psychology:

    The worst way to deal with a bully is to appease him. Making excuses for, accommodating, or attempting to reason with the bully gives him psychological visibility and validation that he’s somehow worthwhile. This in turn leads to more bullying.

    The best way to deal with a bully is to ignore him, thus giving him psychological invisibility and invalidation. But if you’re small and 11 years old and you can’t ignore the bully, you must confront him. Be strong, assertive and take care of yourself. Say something like, “This is not acceptable. I don’t treat people this way and I won’t allow people to treat me this way.” Be prepared to do strong things like defending yourself, hanging up the phone, refusing to talk until civility is restored, or simply walking away. It all depends on the age and the situation, but behaviors that are too easily excused end up being reinforced, while behaviors that you refuse to tolerate will tend to stop.

    Entire article here

    Instead of hanging up the phone, I’d recommend instead going to the ICC.

    • Mooser
      October 19, 2014, 3:12 pm

      ” That’s right, there is apparently no plausible reason for criticizing Israel without it being anti-Semitic at its base. A pretty neat trick.”

      To paraphrase one of my favorite commentors: ‘When you criticize Israel, you are probably criticizing Jews, there’s no getting around it’

      • amigo
        October 19, 2014, 4:07 pm

        ‘When you criticize Israel, you are probably criticizing Jews, there’s no getting around it” Mooser.

        I did not know that.And all this time I thought I was only critising Israel,s cruel treatment of the Palestinian People.

        But what do I know.I am from a country who has never made war on it,s neighbours so I lack the understanding of a supremacist overlord.They obviously have a built in defence mechanism to deal with interfering left wing radical liberals like meself. I used to hate England and it,s policies towards Ireland but not all English people. Did that make me a antiprostestantite.

      • MHughes976
        October 20, 2014, 12:04 pm

        When you criticise Israel you are indeed criticising Jews. That is an undeniable implication of the fact that the policies pursued by the country known as Israel are determined almost entirely by people who consider themselves and are considered by others to be Jewish.
        What objection is there to criticising Jews? Someone might say ‘Jews are not to be stereotyped’ which is quite true. But the phrase ‘criticising Jews’ is ambiguous between ‘some people who are Jewish’ and ‘all people who are Jewish’ – and it is the latter that is in obvious danger of stereotyping. If it is obvious from the context that the critique applies to some Jewish people but not to others – and it is: there are plenty of Jewish people not involved in setting Israeli policies, obviously enough – then stereotyping is clearly avoided.
        Criticism of some but not of others is anti-stereotyping.
        By contrast, those who refuse to discriminate between (say) Hitler and Tutu – ie object equally to all whose attitudes to Jewish people are negative in any way and call all of them by the same term, ‘anti-Semites’ – are so plainly and crudely stereotyping all who disagree with Israeli policies that they should see that they are making the very mistake that they seem to condemn in others.
        It cannot be reasonable to say that no one who is Jewish is capable of any serious wrongdoing, any more, surely, than ‘anyone who is English/Belgian’.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        October 25, 2014, 1:38 pm

        If it’s only “probably” there must be some way to get round it. If there wasn’t it would be “certainly” not “probably”.

    • JWalters
      October 20, 2014, 6:44 pm
  2. JLewisDickerson
    October 19, 2014, 12:36 pm

    RE: “Mike Huckabee said that Obama is anti-Semitic in his response to violence in the West Bank last summer.” ~ Weiss

    THAT REMINDS ME: I wonder how much progress Israel has made in the “thorough and transparent investigation” the US State Department said it expects Israel to make* into the videotaped shooting/murder by the Israeli military of the two Palestinian teenagers (Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh) during the Nakba Day protests outside Ofer prison in the West Bank back on May 15 (more than six months ago).

    * SEE – “US to Israel: Investigate killing of Palestinian teens”, by Yitzhak Benhorin, ynetnews.com, 5/21/14
    Following release of footage documenting killing of two Palestinians near Ramallah, US State Department spokesperson says US expects Israel to ‘conduct a thorough and transparent investigation’.
    LINK – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4521979,00.html

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 19, 2014, 12:43 pm

      P.P.S. FOR MORE INFO, SEE:
      Beitunia killings – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beitunia_killings

    • Horizontal
      October 19, 2014, 7:04 pm

      That same thought occurred to me recently as well, JLewis . . .

      Anyone know how those 1,328 internal investigations of possible Israeli war crimes are going? (I may not have the number exactly right.) It’s almost like they’ve slipped out of the world’s consciousness, isn’t it?

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 23, 2014, 3:04 am

      P.S. HAARETZ EDITORIAL, May 30, 2014:

      The report in Haaretz (Chaim Levinson and Amos Harel, Thursday) that a non-combat soldier attached to the Border Police force fired, contrary to regulations, at Palestinian protesters during the riots in Beitunia – apparently because of “boredom” – does little to advance the investigation into the death of two young Palestinians at the Nakba Day protest. However, it raises other troubling questions, which are no less serious.

      The soldier, whose job and unit cannot be disclosed due to a military gag order, is connected primarily to communications. It is assumed that at a certain point he too wanted to shoot at the demonstrators and took a gun from a Border Policeman. Sources in the Chief Military Defense office, which is representing the soldier, said that as far as they know the soldier fired only two rubber bullets, and did so according to orders and with the approval of the commanders in the field.

      This response not only underrates the events’ seriousness, but clouds the picture even more. Commanders of troops shooting people, even if “only” with rubber bullets, let a “visitor” accompanying them target human beings to increase his “enjoyment” of the mission? The awful moral failure underlying this incident requires the IDF to take a thorough account of itself, not only regarding the moral norms it inculcates in its soldiers, but also regarding military discipline. . .

      ENTIRE EDITORIAL – http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.596219

  3. Annie Robbins
    October 19, 2014, 1:11 pm

    ah the power of the ad hominem. it’ really their favorite fall back position. or forwarding position, or whatever. the positioning of victimhood is so valuable some people just can’t and won’t let go.

    “…is like sweeping criticism of the black, gay or Yazidi minority.’”

    why not add, ‘or the occupy movement criticizing the 1%’ after all , they’re a minority too aren’t they? (snark). face it, all minorities are not equal guys! this kind of ‘logic’ is just not going to fly in todays world.

    read this one example, just one – not even the most outrageous or unusual in the least – of one man who had his home destroyed by israel in the most recent gaza slaughter. again, this is by no means the most extreme example we’ve published here.

    Reborn from the womb of my destroyed house by Dr. Hassan El-Nabih http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/reborn-destroyed-house

    if this doesn’t make it abundantly clear israel is not the victim here, you’re crazy. this is not anti semitism, it’s wrong, what israel does is wrong and collective punishment. it’s grotesque.

  4. Walid
    October 19, 2014, 1:55 pm

    The charge of anti-Semitism has become boring and meaningless, but it still works its magic on people who get spooked easily.

    • seafoid
      October 19, 2014, 11:36 pm

      Wheeling antisemitism around to defend to defend the cruelty of Zionism is not advisable.
      There is no word or concept that can make Zionism respectable now.

      http://www.haaretz.com/life/music-theater/.premium-1.607484

      “Where are the rock stars expressing solidarity with Israel’s right to defend itself or pausing between songs to explain that every day is harrowing for Israeli civilians who are attacked by rockets and threatened by terror tunnels leading to their homes, playgrounds and streets?
      They feel bullied by a confederacy of industry “liberals,” who dismiss anyone who doesn’t uphold the party line of Israel as an oppressor and the cause of all evil in the region.
      “I just get so emotional, I try not to post too much,” says Regina Joskow, director of publicity at Rounder Records. “I feel like I bang my head against the wall when I share reality, not a bleeding heart fantasy.“
      Instead of going toe-to-toe with rhetoric, she does the only sane thing she can think of. “I’ve been blocking and unfriending people like mad,” she says. “I really hate seeing people’s true colors.”
      What Joskow is referring to are doctored images, such as that of beach-goers in Tel Aviv cheering the deaths in Gaza, which are reposted endlessly – because it promotes a depiction of Israelis as dehumanized brutes.
      Though Waters’ virulently anti-Semitic statements reflect a fringe sentiment, Balsam says, he, too, has noticed a flood of misinformation about Israel and Gaza.
      “I give artists like Rihanna the benefit of the doubt,” he says. “It’s normal for a well-intentioned person to see all the blood and death and want to say something about it. Sometimes they get out ahead of themselves before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves and think things through.” “

      • Giles
        October 20, 2014, 8:57 am

        What Joskow is referring to are doctored images, such as that of beach-goers in Tel Aviv cheering the deaths in Gaza,

        Do you feel any need to support such assertions with documentation? Evidence? Proof?

        Waters’ virulently anti-Semitic statements.

        You do realize this is an article about how accusations of anti-Semitism are just off the hook? And that you are giving us a perfect example?

        Balsam says, he, too, has noticed a flood of misinformation about Israel and Gaza. “I give artists like Rihanna the benefit of the doubt,” he says. “It’s normal for a well-intentioned person to see all the blood and death and want to say something about it. Sometimes they get out ahead of themselves before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves and think things through.” “

        How thoughtful of someone supporting the Israeli massacre of the Gazan to give someone who opposes it the benefit of the doubt.

      • Horizontal
        October 20, 2014, 8:59 pm

        “. . . before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves . . ?” What kind or Orwellian horsesh!t is that?

    • Mayhem
      October 20, 2014, 8:52 am

      @Walid, amazing how just a few words can convey so much prejudice. Do you have the same feelings about racism against blacks, misogyny and homophobia?
      The act of being anti-semitic should be just as heavily criticised as it was when people had more sympathy for Jews. Today the left wing pendulum has swung into new territory and the fashion is be anti-America and anti-Islamophobia; concern about anti-semitism has been relegated in importance, but that says nothing to deny the sorry fact that its prevalence has not receded.
      We know all too well that anti-semitism has been around for a long time and those who have their political barrows to push don’t like it to get in the way of their mealy-mouthed agendas.

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 10:21 am

        “We know all too well that anti-semitism has been around for a long time and those who have their political barrows to push don’t like it to get in the way of their mealy-mouthed agendas. “

        Yonah, watch out! You have tough competition in the reducing-words-to-meaninglessness department! Get your game on!

      • Walid
        October 20, 2014, 12:40 pm

        Mayhem, you’re so wrong. I turn off at the sound of the term “antisemitism” because it’s shopworn and used in all kinds of sauces by hasbarists to spook people from criticizing Israel. When I hear of someone or something being anti–Jewish simply for being Jews, I’m the first to jump up and side with the Jews, even Israeli ones. Anti-Jewish activities have been around for centuries and I have always been critical of them. The other bogus dramatic term you dearly love to flash around doesn’t have an effect on me.

      • catporn
        October 20, 2014, 2:32 pm

        @Mayhem I think faux antisemitism is on the rise and maybe the real thing too. People hate Israel, the self proclaimed Jewish state, for all the reasons your surely aware of, and they see Jews around the globe defending its actions however depraved and disgusting they might be, so 2 + 2 is 4, simple.
        Now we know that the majority of Zionists aren’t Jews, and there’s plenty that campaign against Israel and/or Zionism, but you can see why people make the leap.
        On top of that there’s something about watching a group with so much power unabashedly continue to torture another group with seemingly no compunction or compassion, it brings out the kind of hate that was directed towards the Nazis for death camps, ironically, and the victims, Palestinians in this case, garner the sympathy once enjoyed by the Jews.
        With that said, criticism of Israel and it’s supporters must be accepted at face value, if 500 people point out some war crime committed, it doesn’t really matter if 50 of them irrationally hate all Jews, it doesn’t mean the crime didn’t happen.

      • eljay
        October 20, 2014, 2:50 pm

        >> Mayhem: The act of being anti-semitic should be just as heavily criticised as it was when people had more sympathy for Jews.

        Legitimate acts of anti-Semitism – and of all other forms of bigotry – should always be condemned, and the people engaging in those acts should be held accountable for their actions.

        Meanwhile, Zio-supremacists should stop using allegations of anti-Semitism and memories of the Holocaust to excuse their on-going acts of injustice and immorality – acts for which they should be held to account.

      • Daniel Rich
        October 20, 2014, 4:38 pm

        @Mayhem.,

        Q: amazing how just a few words can convey so much prejudice.

        R: Lets put that to a test, shall we?

        Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, Israeli…

        Who’s the odd one out?

    • Mayhem
      October 20, 2014, 6:12 pm

      @Walid, Mooser, eljay, Rich et al – I urge you to post the web links that testify that you have ever spoken out publicly against anti-semitism.

      • eljay
        October 20, 2014, 10:01 pm

        >> Mayhem: @Walid, Mooser, eljay, Rich et al – I urge you to post the web links that testify that you have ever spoken out publicly against anti-semitism.

        I’ll go one better and tell it to you right here, for the record: I condemn all forms of bigotry, including anti-Semitism and Jewish supremacism. I believe that people engaging in acts of bigotry must be held accountable for their actions.

        How about you? Do you condemn all forms of bigotry, including anti-Semitism and Jewish supremacism? And do you believe that people engaging in acts of bigotry must be held accountable for their actions?

      • Walid
        October 20, 2014, 10:33 pm

        Mayhem, I didn’t claim to be against anti-Semites, a term I consider propagandist; I’m actually against anti-Jews. You’d find hundreds of my posts here that are against Israelis for what they have done and continue doing to Palestinians and their other neighbours but you wouldn’t find one in which I’m critical of Jews as a people or religion. You are brainwashed into believing that any criticisms of Israel are necessarily criticisms of the world’s Jewish people, which of course is hogwash., just like the term you just love to throw around.

      • Mooser
        October 21, 2014, 10:48 am

        ” I urge you to post the web links that testify that you have ever spoken out publicly against anti-semitism.”

        Oops! You got me, Mayhem. Everybody knows how anti-Semantic I am. If there’s anything I can’t stand, it’s cheap Semantics.

    • Mooser
      October 23, 2014, 6:01 pm

      When people say my criticism’s of Israel are anti-Semitic, I usually tell them I really don’t care what religion they are in Israel, never really looked into it.

  5. Marnie
    October 19, 2014, 2:23 pm

    Also in the context of Gaza, religion writer Mark Oppenheimer wrote at Tablet that liberal Protestants who support Palestinian rights seem to him to be anti-Semitic because they have a caricature of Jews as the Israel lobby and “feel that there are no good Jews left. Except the ones that are entirely secular and anti-Zionist.”

    That’s trying to sound as though the good Jews (per Oppenheimer’s description) are very small in number, insignificant. But in reality, aren’t there quite a number of “entirely secular and anti-Zionist Jews” and that is very good!

    Also the picture of Ari Shavit creeps me way out – isn’t he the writer of some trash about how “sexy” israelis are (having sexual encounters in public restrooms – so 1980s but brand new to Shavit apparently)? Maybe he should just stick to the sexy israeli theme.

  6. yonah fredman
    October 19, 2014, 3:31 pm

    Shavit, in the featured quote, equates sweeping criticism of Israel with Jew hatred and not any criticism of Israel.

    The attack on Gaza was a symptom of the lack of planning of Israel regarding the future and their dependence on weapons as the means of dealing with their problems. Certainly if there had been no nakba and the population of Gaza was not 2/3rds refugee, the specific problem of Gaza would be different.

    I still have not regained my balance since the war on Gaza, though it has receded from the headlines. My reaction to the war on Gaza in 2008-2009 was slow in taking shape, but towards the end of that war I came out against it and as this war approached I knew it would be similar and therefore I was against it.

    I think the Israeli general who said that Gaza’s Palestinians have to be given a carrot, so that they will protect that carrot and not allow Hamas to have that carrot destroyed by the israeli stick is on the right track, but it is not clear that the prime minister and right wing of israel can shift gears in this direction.

    • Marnie
      October 20, 2014, 7:10 am

      Shavit, in the featured quote, equates sweeping criticism of Israel with Jew hatred and not any criticism of Israel. ” That’s so easy boys and girls and requires absolutely no proof or thought!

      Can people be penalized/prosecuted for pursuing frivolous law suits, which will never be won but just waste the court’s time? It would be interesting if the fanner’s of the flames could be prosecuted or punished in some way for calling someone antisemitic! It would be fun to watch Bennett, Netanyahu and all the other poor defenseless folks stutter and stammer for words if “antisemite” is taken out of play.

    • Mooser
      October 20, 2014, 10:24 am

      Yonah, I take it back. When it comes to meaninglessness, you still reign supreme, baby. I hadn’t read your comment yet. Now that’s double-talk like Mamila used to make!

    • Mooser
      October 20, 2014, 10:45 am

      ” but towards the end of that war I came out against it and as this war approached”

      Excuse me, Yonah, but there was no “war”. That is, as is usual for you, the coward’s locution in this case. There was no “war”. There was a murderous, disproportionate reprisal attack by the Zionist regime on territory it already occupies.

      On what basis, besides excusing Israel, do you call it a “war”?

    • Elliot
      October 20, 2014, 1:12 pm

      Yonah
      “as this war approached I knew it would be similar and therefore I was against it”
      Thank you for speaking out against the war!

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 1:31 pm

        “Thank you for speaking out against the war!”

        “If one assumes that Israel has a right to exist, then Israel has a right to react to rockets”

        “Hamas is allowed to threaten the viability of Israel, these two events point out that reasonableness of Netanyahu and the need to do something about Hamas controlling Gaza.” –

        Yonah Fredman, July 25th.

      • yonah fredman
        October 20, 2014, 3:35 pm

        mooser- people were calling and are still calling anyone who supported the war as a racist. i object to that. i argue that supporting the war is a rational reaction. i also assert that i was opposed to the war of 2008 and 2009 because it became too cruel for me. I did not support the cause of the war of 2014 which was the “crackdown” on west bank hamas. i feel that outlandish accusations of racism for those who supported the war were/are wrongminded and in that spirit i defended the war as a rational response, but one that i did not support.

        let your sadism fly, mooser and tell me how mealy mouthed i am. go on.

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 5:24 pm

        ” i argue that supporting the war is a rational reaction.”

        Yes, you do.

      • Mooser
        October 21, 2014, 11:00 am

        “let your sadism fly, mooser “

        Yup, Yonah, that’s me, a massive sadist.
        Did I ever tell you about the time me and another guy, both of us armed and bullet-proofed and with our own armored vehicle, arrested and locked a developmentally-disabled 11 year-old in the truck?
        You can read about it at Mondowiess!

    • Walid
      October 20, 2014, 1:19 pm

      Yonah, you and your creepy general should be ashamed of yourselves of thinking of your fellow human beings, the Palestinians, in terms of carrots and sticks. I don’t think you’d appreciate my using such an analogy about the Germans and the Jews if I’d have said said that had Hitler been offered carrots at Evian, a couple of million Jews could have been saved.

      It’s most probable that you got distressed over Gaza because it exposed Israel’s dirty laundry to the world, not because of any compassion you may have felt for the Palestinians. Your contempt for Palestinians is evident from your language.

      • yonah fredman
        October 20, 2014, 3:48 pm

        walid– I’m sorry for using the language of the Israeli general, but that is the reality that i live in.

        I do not control the past of Jewish history nor the present. if i were prime minister i would have people you object to who would guide me how to handle the situation, but i would move in a direction of avrum burg. i think that gazans should be free to import and export and i realize that importing weapons (concrete for military tunnels included) will be a side effect of such imports. somewhere i read that gaza’s primary hope economically in the short range is inclusion in the israel/west bank economy rather than the cutoff of gaza that has been going on since the time of rabin. but i do not control the facts on the ground and i merely react. i’m sorry if my reactions are sometimes in terms that deal with political facts without slowing down and trying to deal with the human beings who live in gaza. i am often insensitive in my comments and since i cannot change the reality i present it in distant terms, thus i desensitize myself to be able to deal with the facts as given. but even if i slowed down i would not join the chorus against israel, primarily because of people i know in israel.

        the chorus of hatred towards Israel is not something that makes any impression on the people i know in israel. and the primary stance of expressing my opinions is in terms that a realist rather than an idealist would use.

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 5:29 pm

        “walid– I’m sorry for using the language of the Israeli general, but that is the reality that i live in.”

        C’mon Yonah! Don’t you live in Brooklyn, New York, the United States of America? What is this about “reality”?-

    • piotr
      October 26, 2014, 4:53 pm

      I think that contrary to mooser, I would see the following as very salient observation of Yonah Fredman: “I think the Israeli general who said that Gaza’s Palestinians have to be given a carrot, so that they will protect that carrot and not allow Hamas to have that carrot destroyed by the israeli stick is on the right track, but it is not clear that the prime minister and right wing of israel can shift gears in this direction.”

      That Likud and Israeli Home would rather cut off their pinky fingers instead of “giving Palestinian a carrot” is manifestly clear, but Kadima and Labor under Barak were not overly proficient in the carrot department either. The hatred and contempt is of such magnitude that even if the concept can be formulated, as Livni, Olmert and Barak were capable of doing, execution is impossible. This is rather typical in conflict zones like Azerbaijan-Armenia or India-Pakistan, so I would castigate Americans and Europeans more than Israel. Israel is not a rational actor here, and policies predicated on rationality of Israel (patiently explain etc.) are themselves irrational.

      A neat contemporary example is from domestic/foreign policy of Turkey. The current government needs wedge issues and accomplishments to differentiate itself from the opposition, and it got the idea of normalization of the conflict with Kurds, extending them political and cultural rights and thus securing domestic peace. Several steps were taken, and it looked promising. However, even though they conceived the plan, the rulers of Turkey are still as bigoted as the Kemalist opposition, and the delivery of carrots to Kurds does not work.

  7. palijustice
    October 19, 2014, 3:41 pm

    If a person is attacked with the slur of antisemitism when they criticize Israel’s policies, the counter should be that Israel has two sets of laws, one for Jews and one for non Jews, and that is anti gentilism and accuse them of supporting anti gentilism if they don’t condemn Israel’s dual legal system and apartheid policies. The best defense is a good offense. The table need to be turned, and in this case it is factual. Israel does not treat nonJews and Jews with equal rights.

    • American
      October 19, 2014, 4:03 pm

      palijustice
      October 19, 2014, 3:41 pm

      If a person is attacked with the slur of antisemitism when they criticize Israel’s policies, the counter should be……”

      Hysterical peals of `laughter’.

    • Walid
      October 20, 2014, 10:56 pm

      FWIW, I t was reported last night that Hanniyeh’s daughter is being treated in an Israeli hospital. One of his granddaughters was also treated in an Israeli hospital last November and his mother-in-law received cancer treatment in June in Jerusalem too.

      Meanwhile there are hundreds of other emergency-case patients that continue to suffer in Gaza’s under-resourced hospitals because Israel is refusing to admit them into its hospitals. Maybe because unlike Hanniyeh, they have zero propaganda value.

  8. Bornajoo
    October 19, 2014, 3:41 pm

    It’s driving me crazy! I’m British and Jewish and other British Jews and Israelis accuse me of being anti semitic. And when I remind them I’m Jewish they then call me a “jew hating Jew”. It’s becoming surreal. I didn’t realise that they were perfect human beings who were incapable of doing anything wrong. I keep mistakenly thinking they’re doing something wrong and like an idiot I open my mouth and say so. When will I just learn that they are the epitome of perfection and I just can’t help being a jew hating jew!?

    But the boy who cried Wolf eventually got eaten by the Wolf. This may indeed be their final card. Let’s see how much battery life is left in this one.

    • Shmuel
      October 19, 2014, 4:02 pm

      Try these British Jews: http://jews4big.wordpress.com/

      • Bornajoo
        October 19, 2014, 4:32 pm

        Thanks Shmuel

      • Walid
        October 20, 2014, 1:42 pm

        Of Jews constantly throwing stones at Israel and its Zionism, I’m always wondering how many are doing it because they sincerely empathize with the Palestinians and how many are doing it because they are anti-Zionists or anti-Israel and are actually using the Palestinian cause as a means to do it.

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 2:46 pm

        it because they sincerely empathize with the Palestinians and how many are doing it because they are anti-Zionists or anti-Israel and are actually using the Palestinian cause as a means to do it.”

        Seems like a distinction without a difference to me. Zionism is the kind of ideology that produces people to empathize with, besides being wrong.
        It is possible for a person to be anti-Zionist solely because it is a fraud on Jews, regardless of the fact that Zionism hurts Palestinians. Possible, but not probable, I think.

      • Shmuel
        October 20, 2014, 2:55 pm

        Walid,

        First of all, welcome back :-)

        There are real “comrades” (“compagni”, as they say in these parts) and there are allies of various kinds — those with multiple agendas that include your own and those with agendas you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole, but who aren’t actually harmful to the cause. Then there are those who really couldn’t give a damn about Palestinians and actually harm them by espousing (or pretending to espouse) their cause. That goes for all allies and potential allies, not just Jews.

        As for the group I linked to (J-BIG), I know them, and they are the real deal — real “compagni”, whose concern is first and foremost for the Palestinians.

      • Walid
        October 20, 2014, 11:40 pm

        Hi, Shmuel, I wasn’t thinking about J-BIG but about so many others that have gotten on the Palestinians’ bus that aren’t really on it for the Palestinians’ sake. You also have the Christian Zionists on the Israelis’ bus but that actually have an anti-Jewish agenda. It was about putting things into perspective.

    • Horizontal
      October 19, 2014, 7:08 pm

      Bornajoo ~

      I thought it was “self-hating Jew,” not “Jew hating Jew.” When’d it switch?

      • Bornajoo
        October 20, 2014, 11:50 am

        @Horizontal
        The self loathing Jew or self hating Jew is definitely still the main versions out there. It was my old Jewish neighbour (who passed away in April) that liked to call me a Jew hating Jew and also one of my Israeli cousins. I don’t mind any version at all as I like to wear that badge with pride!

      • Horizontal
        October 20, 2014, 9:48 pm

        Interesting.

        I know of no other group that the “self-loathing” thing is attached to as a generic means of keeping order. Why is that?

      • Mooser
        October 21, 2014, 1:55 pm

        “I know of no other group that the “self-loathing” thing is attached to as a generic means of keeping order. Why is that?”

        Because the idea of a Jewish polity, a Jewish ‘peoplehood (and a super-national one, at that!) is so artificial, so specious and so obviously mustered for the worst political ends, that no method is too fantastic to use in pursuing it? Come to think of it, the more fantastic, the more outre the argument, the more it distracts, too, from fundamental questions.

    • Marnie
      October 20, 2014, 12:32 am

      @Bornajoo –
      The boy who cried wolf analogy fits so well!
      I was thinking too, like so many others making an analogy to the behavior of an addict and the addict’s family covering for him/her all the time, until they are too worn down to enable the addict anymore and have to cut them off before they do any more damage. The israeli right has been on the attack for years but after the most recent bloodbath in Gaza, the continual theft of land, the murder of another Palestinian boy, etc., even their closest “friends” are starting to maybe ask some questions (nothing hard, don’t want to offend!) and maybe make some suggestions that this behavior is self-injurious (ya think?). With no one left to offend, and the world finally taking a long, hard look at the GOI and not liking one bit what they see, now the GOI turns against their lifeline, their “only friend in the ME” and go right for the jugular and they both die. Well Mr. Bennett – you’ll have good company with the likes of ol’ Mike Huckabee! The things you do for love.

      • Bornajoo
        October 20, 2014, 12:06 pm

        @Marnie
        I like the addict analogy. It fits. regardless of what anyone says or does the GOI just can’t seem to stop themselves. That is a pretty good definition of an addict!

        The problem is there too many nutjobs like Mike Huckabee in the USA who would support Israel right up until Armageddon if they had to.

    • Mooser
      October 20, 2014, 10:29 am

      Bornajoo, the regular established-type Judaism is beyond amateurs like you and me. It’s a job for experts, specialists and leaders!

      Try that link from Shmuel. It might better direction for people like us who just don’t have what it takes.

      • Bornajoo
        October 20, 2014, 12:08 pm

        @Mooser
        You are spot on. They are way beyond our league.

        Well I did try that link and I realised it was being run by an old long lost friend of mine! I’ll be getting in touch with him for sure. What a small world

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 1:36 pm

        “Well I did try that link and I realised it was being run by an old long lost friend of mine! I’ll be getting in touch with him for sure. What a small world”

        Wow, talk about nachos with guacamole and sour cream! You know the guy? So there you go. Not so out-in-the-cold as before.

      • Mooser
        October 20, 2014, 5:36 pm

        That was gratifying to hear about, Bornajoo! It should only happen to me!

    • Bornajoo
      October 20, 2014, 11:59 am

      @ziusudra
      you are right. there appear to be various versions of being a jew and it’s difficult to try and remain as an unattached “normal” Jewish person. If you’re not part of the religious mob then you should be part of the zionist mob. If you don’t like being one of them then you are a “traitor” and must be a self hating Jew!

  9. American
    October 19, 2014, 3:58 pm

    Yes the anti semitism ploy is exhausted.
    Its the same plastic Israeli record played for 65 years now.
    Its worn down to irritating, meaningless, stuck in a groove static.

    Cant they think of something new ?

  10. gracie fr
    October 19, 2014, 4:34 pm

    Pro-Israel advocacy is as old or older than the State of Israel. Official Israel concocts ever newer ways to push the hasbara agenda. It carves up various markets (minorities, evangelicals, gays, etc.) and tailors specific branding messages to each one that’s designed to leverage maximum support. It devotes hundreds of millions (from government and private funds) to this venture.

    One aspect of this project that’s less well known and deserves more exposure is outreach to Muslim and Christian communities. Yes, you read that right: Muslim. I’m referring to Muslims in the Diaspora, specifically the U.S. The Shalom Hartman Institute, a modern Orthodox think tank devoted to the study of Jewish religion and its impact on Israeli society, created a Muslim Leadership Initiative. It invited a group of prominent Muslim-American intellectuals, analysts, religious and media figures to study Israeli politics, Zionism and history.

    The classes they attended were coordinated by Yossi Klein HaLevi, an Israeli-American journalist who once was affiliated with the JDL and a follower of Meir Kahane. Now Klein HaLevi has parlayed his former radical past into a selling point for a book he wrote on the subject, Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist. He projects an image of someone who’s turned a new leaf and now is a wiser and older centrist, when this is anything but the case. Like many former JDL leaders, the rhetoric has become more polished, violence has been eschewed (at overt violence), and the rough ideological edges have been smoothed. But the basic ideas are the same: Jewish supermacism, support for Israeli ultra-nationalism, denial of Palestinian rights, etc.
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/10/16/pro-israel-think-tanks-proselytize-among-muslim-american-christian-leaders/

  11. Citizen
    October 19, 2014, 4:41 pm

    Haha, wouldn’t you like to hear in private as to how Kerry views the slurs against his vain attempts to reconcile Israel’s policies and conduct with the American values he fought for against those who loved the war in Vietnam?

  12. American
    October 19, 2014, 5:25 pm

    People are tiring of the anti semitism claims, even evidently the NYPD.

    Brooklyn, NY – Arrest Made In Barclays Center Attack: NYPD Says No Hate Crime

    Published on: Today 01:46 PM
    By: Sandy Eller

    Brooklyn, NY – Just over one week after a local Jewish leader in New York was assaulted at Barclays Center, the NYPD has announced the arrest of a suspect in the incident.
    25 year old Shawn Schraeder of Queens was arrested by police on Thursday, October 16th and charged with assault and harassment.

    An NYPD spokesperson told VIN News that while the incident was investigated as a possible bias incident, the investigation determined that bias was not a motivating factor in the attack on Leonard Petlakh, executive director of the Kings Bay YM-YWHA.

    The incident in question took place on October 7th, during an exhibition game between the Brooklyn Nets and the Tel Aviv Maccabis, with Schraeder and his companions seated in front of Petlakh and his party.

    A woman seated with Schraeder’s held up a Palestinian flag and an argument ensued when a member of Petlakh’s group grabbed the flag. Security guards intervened, escorting both groups out of the arena and the altercation continued outside Barclays Center, with Schraeder allegedly punching the 42 year old Petlakh in the left eye.

    Petlakh, who attended the game with his two sons, suffered a broken nose and received eight stitches as a result of the attack.

    City Councilman Mark Treyger praised the NYPD for its quick work in the case.

    “This sends a clear message that our city will not tolerate violence against anyone and will devote the necessary time and resources to investigating all incidents of hatred,” said Treyger.

    Assemblyman Steven Cymbrowitz criticized the NYPD for not classifying the attack as a hate crime in a written statement.

    “I’m pleased that police arrested a suspect in the brutal attack on Leonard Petlakh but I find it disturbing that they do not plan to charge him with a bias crime. Given the anti-Semitic nature of this attack, I urge authorities to reconsider this decision. I will be calling on the district attorney to treat this as a bias case and seek the harshest penalties that are allowed under the law.”>>>>

    But the Jewish genius that got punched doesn’t comprehend the ”not a hate crime” and continues to bray to the pack about the hatemongers:

    “I am thrilled that the New York Police department has taken this very seriously,” Petlakh said. “I relish the day that we will see these hatemongers in our courtroom.”

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/207580/man-suspected-of-attacking-jewish-leader-at-brookl/#ixzz3GcvttIO3

  13. Moto
    October 19, 2014, 6:39 pm

    The Zionist movement has long used labeling people as being anti-Semitic as a weapon against any and all who do not toe the Zionist line. It is well described in this outtake from a presentation by former Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky.
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e62_1241686493

  14. Karl Dubhe
    October 19, 2014, 6:53 pm

    I’ve been accused of being antisemitic more and more often on the other websites that I post at.

    All that’s needed is a reference to Max’s bookm or your website, and the howls of the ragefull denounce me for everything under the sun. If I defend the point I made, then the insults get worse. I ignore the claim now.

    It’s become meaningless to me.

    I recognize what’s happened. It happened to us in the queer community when we ‘normalized’ the words like ‘fag’, or the other epithets. We took their power away, in some ways by making sure that everyone used them. I’m not sure that’s a win, though.

  15. American
    October 19, 2014, 7:00 pm

    Uh oh….more complications. Will they be able to keep this a private fight or will the NYT announce one day the CZs are now officially anti semites ?

    http://forward.com/articles/207478/christian-evangelicals-push-aliyah-and-jews-are/

    ”Christian Evangelicals Push Aliyah — and Jews Are Concerned
    Born Again Group Set To Launch Mass Aliyah

    Related:
    Jews Cast Wary Eye on Evangelicals
    Evangelicals Seen Forging Alliance With ‘Messianic Jews’

    Here’s my new conspiracy theory on this–(beside Jews having to convert or get eaten by locust on doomsday).
    The Evangelicals want the Jews to go to Israel so they can’t be any kind of lobby for separation for church and state and oppose Christendom, then the Evangels can proceed with their plan to turn the US into a Evangelical ( or a least a official) Christian nation.

    Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the smartest(craziest) of them all…the Zios or the Evangelicals?

  16. Talkback
    October 19, 2014, 7:03 pm

    It’s like talking to children who have become monsters which can’t stand being criticized for their wrong doings, because mummy told them they were angels that poop glitter.

  17. Horizontal
    October 19, 2014, 7:13 pm

    We all seem to be able to see through this crap, but charges of anti-Semitism still cut ice in the MSM and in the halls of power here in the states. How do we crack that edifice?

  18. weiss
    October 19, 2014, 9:13 pm

    And then there is the ever faithful “You are a Self-Hating Jew Card”

    … If you are Jewish and have the courage to call out these Fascist Right-Wing Savages that are systematically murdering and herding the Palestinians into forced relocation (A War Crime) while ruining Israel and the reputation of Jews all around the world.

    They are the antithesis of humanity … the true BREEDERS of hate, gleefully sowing the seeds of anti-Semitism.

  19. seafoid
    October 19, 2014, 11:37 pm

    -“You say this because you hate Jews”
    -“No, it ‘s because your drinking is going to kill you.”

  20. bryan
    October 20, 2014, 3:25 am

    There seems to be a hierarchy of eight techniques to defend the indefensible:
    (1) First comes denial – the incident / atrocity did not occur e.g. Israel has no nuclear weapons; there is no evidence of civilian deaths at Qibya / Jenin / Gaza
    (2) Then comes acknowledgement accompanied by protests of innocence e.g. a child did die but was shot by Palestinians; civilians did die but as the result of a malfunctioning bomb employed by Palestinian terrorists
    (3) Then comes claims of provocation e.g. unfortunately civilians died but the army was forced to respond to Palestinian terrorists firing from behind the demonstrators
    (4) Then comes extenuation e.g. unfortunately civilians were killed but they had volunteered as human shields in an attempt to protect the arms cache hidden in the mosque
    (5) Then comes an admission of error e.g. even the most moral army in this imperfect world will occasionally make mistakes, but we in Israel always fully and transparently investigate any errors, and more importantly we learn from them; despite numerous reconnaissance missions the USS Liberty was unfortunately misidentified as an enemy vessel in the 1967 war
    (6) Next, unfortunate incidents are minimized by comparison with other far worse regimes e.g. why are you focusing on 2000 deaths in Gaza when countless thousands have been murdered in Syria, Iraq or Darfur; in the atrocity “Olympics” Israel never achieves a podium position worthy of acclamation
    (7) When all else fails our critics are vicious Arab-loving anti-Semites determined to destroy the virtuous Jewish state
    (8) OK you don’t listen to any criticism from gentiles, but much of the protest has come from Jews seeking justice and peace – well they are even worse than anti-Semites, they are self-hating secular anti-Zionist Arab-loving Jewish traitors determined to destroy the virtuous Jewish state

    It’s a little bit like the culmination of an intemperate bar brawl where one of the protagonists eventually gives up the argument, with the word “I’m not listening to you – you just a f*c*ing stupid f*c*er.”

  21. amigo
    October 20, 2014, 8:21 am

    From Haaretz–an example of twisted zionist logic.

    “A group of Dutch Christians vowed to boycott Utrecht’s Domkerk Church for the duration of an exhibition on jailed Palestinian children, which they said encourages anti-Semitism.

    “Many people cannot differentiate between Israel and Jews,” Kohlbrugge told the Trouw daily newspaper. “People wearing kippot are being harassed over Israel’s actions. Thus criticism of Israel becomes anti-Semitism.” Kohlbrugge also said that the church’s history of anti-Semitism makes it an unsuitable venue for criticizing Israel. “Before you point fingers, better look at the ones pointing in your direction,” he added. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.621743

    I finally got it, torturing Palestinian Children does not increase antisemitism but reporting it does.Not one of these so called Christians condemned Israel,s behaviour.

    God help zionists and those who follow like sheep, they are all loonies.

    • eljay
      October 20, 2014, 8:29 am

      “Many people cannot differentiate between Israel and Jews,” Kohlbrugge told the Trouw daily newspaper. “People wearing kippot are being harassed over Israel’s actions. Thus criticism of Israel becomes anti-Semitism.”

      Many people might like to differentiate between Israel and Jews, but Zio-supremacists within and without Israel keep insisting that Israel IS Jews and Jews ARE Israel.

      Mr. Kohlbrugge might want to have a word with Zio-supremacists about that.

  22. seafoid
    October 20, 2014, 10:27 am

    I think the main thing about the latest manifestation of “anti-Semitism” is that it has nothing to do with baseless hatred of Jews and is instead a form of constructive criticism.
    If Bots want the other form it may well return.

  23. catporn
    October 20, 2014, 1:13 pm

    I’ve long been of the opinion that those criticising the holocaust are really just anti-Arian underneath, they just use that tragedy to vent their hate of all Northern Europeans.
    It’s slanderous petty racism and must stop.

  24. Qualtrough
    October 20, 2014, 1:52 pm

    Shouting ‘anti-semitism’ willy-nilly at any criticism of Israel or Zionists trivializes the term. Like the boy who cried wolf, those doing this will one day soon find that nobody comes to their aid when they shout it.

  25. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    October 20, 2014, 2:31 pm

    In my several years of experience discussing the Palestinian cause – in various online forums and in ‘real life’ – I have found that the ‘anti-semitism’ accusation is ALWAYS there in some shape or form. Always. Sometimes your anti-Palestinian sparring partner will come out and accuse you directly (though I think this is less frequent than it used to be) but more often than not these days, you will instead be accused of being ‘obsessed’ with Israel’, or of having a ‘disproportionate’ interest in Israel. This is invariably accompanied by whataboutery, as in, why aren’t you so worred about Darfur/IS/the Kurds or whatever the fashionable whataboutery subject happens to be. The obvious implication is that you’re so fixated on Israel because you’re an ‘anti-semite’ – not because the Palestinians have been suffering for decades, not because our governments support Israel to the hilt etc. No, it HAS to be because of the ol’ A.S.

    The tactic is obviously popular because firstly, it puts you on the defensive, secondly, it distracts from the discussion of Israeli crimes, and thirdly, because it allows Israelis to resume their favouite role – victims. That’s why I never engage with these accusations. I always just say ”If you think I’m an anti-semite nothing I can say will change your mind so I won’t try. I know I’m not an antisemite and everyone who has read what I have to say knows I am not an anti-semite so frankly, I don’t care what you think. Feel free to think of me as an antisemite if it pleases you. Now, what do you have to say about IDF massacres in Gaza?”

  26. Keith
    October 20, 2014, 6:09 pm

    MAFTALI BENNET- “It turns out that even when a British Muslim decapitates a British Christian, there will always be someone to blame the Jew,”

    Gee, that has a familiar ring to it. Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon which caused the death of over 20,000 Lebanese, including those in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Israel had sent their Phalange mercenaries into the camps to do the killing which resulted in worldwide outrage and condemnation to which Menachem Begin responded, “goyim kill goyim, and they come to blame the Jews.” This grotesque sense of victimhood which sees all criticism as examples of anti-Semitism is the rule, not the exception. For what it is worth, the Nazis consistently depicted themselves as the victims of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

  27. JohnB
    October 20, 2014, 11:35 pm

    Gee whiz people . . has Mirriam Websters got the definition of ‘Semite’ wrong? It is my understanding that recent DNA study* of a sizable sample of Israel’s ‘current’ Jewish (Zionists) populstion indicated that there was essentially no connection to the ‘Jews’ of the Scriptures. It would be intersting to see the results of a similar study of the current inhabitants of Gaza. Am I ‘misunderestimating’ something here?

    Sem·ite\ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt\
    noun
    : a member of a group of people originally of southwestern Asia that includes Jews and Arabs
    Full Definition
    1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
    b : a descendant of these peoples
    2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
    Origin: French sémite, from Sem Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek Sēm, from Hebrew Shēm.
    First use: 1848

    * http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61.full.pdf

  28. michelle
    October 20, 2014, 11:47 pm

    .
    “You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”
    .
    “I’m for truth, no matter who tells it. I’m for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.”
    .
    “Don’t be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn’t do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn’t know what you know today.”
    .
    “How can you thank a man for giving you what’s already yours? How then can you thank him for giving you only part of what is yours?”
    .
    “Hence I have no mercy or compassion in me for a society that will crush people, and then penalize them for not being able to stand up under the weight.”
    .
    “Truth is on the side of the oppressed.”
    .
    “If you have no critics you’ll likely have no success. ”
    .
    “If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
    .
    “The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”
    ― Malcolm X
    http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/17435.Malcolm_X
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  29. Vera Gottlieb
    October 21, 2014, 4:52 am

    Not surprising at all. Who likes inconvenient truths. Start acting like decent human beings.

  30. just
    October 21, 2014, 8:36 am

    How many insults should the US citizenry endure from horrid extremists in Israel that get our tax dollars?

    Bennett is the Israeli schmuck who accused Palestinians of ‘massive self- genocide’ after the 4 precious children of Palestine were murdered on the Gaza beach by the IOF.

  31. michelle
    October 21, 2014, 12:20 pm

    .
    some people curse when they have no honest discourse
    .
    it isn’t new that bullys employ name calling as a tatic
    .
    i’m rubber you’re glue
    everything you say bounces off off me
    and sticks to you
    .
    just for fun ….

    “Rufio: Boil-dripping, beef, fart-sniffing bubble butt!
    Kids: Bangarang, Rufio!
    Peter Banning: Someone has a severe ca-ca mouth, you know that?
    Rufio: You are fart factory, Slug-slimed, sack-of-rat-guts-in-cat-vomit, cheesy, scab-picked, pimple-squeezing finger bandage. A week old maggot burger with everything on it and flies on the side!
    Kids: [in unison] Ugh!
    Peter Banning: Substitute chemistry teacher.
    Lost Boy: Come on, Rufio, hit him back.
    Rufio: Mung tongue.
    Peter Banning: Math tutor.
    Rufio: Pinhead.
    Peter Banning: Prison barber.
    Rufio: Mother lover.
    Peter Banning: Nearsighted gynecologist.
    Rufio: In your face, camel cake!
    Peter Banning: In your rear, cow derrière.
    Rufio: Lying, crying, spying, prying ultra-pig.
    Peter Banning: You lewd, crude, rude, bag of pre-chewed food dude.
    Thud Butt: [with the rest of the Lost Boys] Bangarang, Peter!
    Rufio: You… you man! Stupid, stupid man!
    Peter Banning: Rufio, if I’m a maggot burger why don’t you eat me! You two-toned zebra-headed, slime-coated, pimple-farmin’ paramecium brain, munchin’ on your own mucus, suffering from Peter Pan envy!
    Don’t Ask: What’s a paramecium brain?
    Peter Banning: I’ll tell you what a paramecium is! That’s the paramecium! It’s a one-celled critter with no brain, that can’t fly! Don’t mess with me man, I’m a lawyer!
    Kids: [chanting] Banning, Banning, Banning is bangerang.
    Rufio: Rufio! Rufio!
    Peter Banning: Oh, Rufio, why don’t you just go suck on a dead dog’s nose”
    -Hook
    .
    we are none of us pod people
    ask those who would have you think as they do
    am i to find my way to you or to G-d
    .
    seems like The Christ Jesus is/was called “a self hating Jew” by some people too
    .
    G-d calls every & all His beloved
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2014, 12:57 pm

      michelle, if you can find it, you may enjoy an interlude in John Barth’s “The Sotweed Factor”, an episode in which two 18th Century prostitutes (as imagined by Barth) pass the time by calling each other every possible pejorative for “whore”. Scroll to page 466) They go on for three pages or more, in several languages.

      • michelle
        October 28, 2014, 1:47 am

        .
        what fun ty Mooser i needed that
        uneducated ‘they’ may be yet they were able to
        chime three pages of words for one activity
        rat tat tat all in good fun too “prickpocket” lollol
        .
        Ebenezer Cooke is an actual person / poet
        can you access the poem – same title
        .
        i will try to read it all though i’m better with audio books
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

  32. Brewer
    October 26, 2014, 1:13 am

    Why “Anti-semitism” ?

    What is there in the term “Anti-semitism” that is not contained within the term we use to condemn acts or utterances aimed at a person’s ethnic identity ie. Racism?
    Is there an act or utterance that is a wrong when applied to Jews but not wrong when applied to any other race or creed? If so surely this entails that Jews are a special case which would seem to be a form of racism in itself.

    I think this is an important question.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 26, 2014, 1:24 pm

      If so surely this entails that Jews are a special case which would seem to be a form of racism in itself.

      i used to think the exclusive identifier of ‘anti semite’ used only towards jews was ‘special’. but it’s not unique, for example the term islamophobic is used to identify racists whose hatred is aimed towards muslims (albeit the term excludes arabs in general, who unfortunately are often the target of islamophobic-racists regardless of whether the religion happens to be islam, christian, secular, or even mizrahi/jewish).

      however, since the term anti semite is grammatically inaccurate, given that is implies all semites (which arguably some believe many european jews are not), there is a sort of twisted logic using the term exclusively for jews because it excludes designating hatred towards most semites. but i’m not sure i would call that “a form of racism in itself.” it is a form of singling out, and the way fear of the accusation is elevated in our society is promoted (as opposed to justifications/anti-fear promoting islamophobia in our society. for example by our msm hosting people like sam harris etc or even hosting discussions which indirectly promoting islamophobia while evading or punishing discussion of israel terror or jewish extremists as facilitating/promoting/spreading anti-jewish racism).

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2014, 1:37 pm

        And then there’s the little complication concerning the validity (beyond the study of the study of language, no argument about that.) of the term “Semite”, too.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 26, 2014, 1:42 pm

        that’s what i meant when i wrote there is a sort of twisted logic using the term exclusively for jews because it excludes designating hatred towards most semites.

        it’s like the term has been “taken” or highjacked by jews for their exclusivity. no fair! granted, they didn’t coin the term but they sure as heck get a lot of milage out of promoting it.

      • Brewer
        October 26, 2014, 3:56 pm

        I am content to allow common usage to rule so I don’t concern myself with the semantics of “Semite”. The point I’m trying to make here is that the term “anti-Semitism” was adopted with alacrity by Zionists and promoted to put the spur to immigration. I think it was Herzl who said that antisemitism could be harnessed to the Zionist cause. The article indicates that it is still being used in this way.
        Although an anti-Semitic action is fully described by the term “racism”, that term (racism) could not be applied in the manner used above. In my view, the proper response to an accusation of anti-Semitism is to ask the accuser if he/she is implying that the accused is racist. This puts a whole new complexion on the argument.

        To put it another way, Annie recently said

        someday, racism will be gone. wiped from the consciousness of mankind. someday please. the pain and suffering inflicted by mankind due to racial prejudice is more that any normal person should ever have to conceive of much less endure. wiped away like some old relic from the days when neanderthals walked the earth – to the dustbins of history, that will be the just fate of racism – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/the-ice-floe#sthash.oW96U32y.dpuf

        Unfortunately I was unable to reply at that time but here is what I would have said.
        If we imagine such a World as she describes, the Israel/Palestine conflict could not exist. In fact, Israel (as a Jewish State) could not exist. Therefore the problem is indeed, as she states, racism. Anti-Semitism is simply a redundant expression that allows a magic trick – it falsely loads legitimate criticism with all the weight and taint of racism. In every case it should be called out and dealt to in the manner I describe above..

      • Citizen
        October 27, 2014, 11:47 am

        @ Brewer
        Somebody will then respond with this diversion: “Don’t you know Jews are not a race?”

  33. Mooser
    October 26, 2014, 2:03 pm

    “they didn’t coin the term but they sure as heck get a lot of milage out of promoting it”

    It was a great deal for Zionists. Everybody can kibbitz over ‘Jews and Arabs both being Semites’, and ignore the fact that even given the widest possible latitude for the definition of Semite, most Jews aren’t “Semites” at all, not even close.

    • Mooser
      October 26, 2014, 4:20 pm

      Not, I hasten to add not that there’s anything wrong with that!

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