Why I confronted Gregor Gysi

Israel/Palestine
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In the last week, the German media has been replete with articles accusing me and my fellow journalist Max Blumenthal of spreading hatred of Jews. These baseless accusations are not only defamatory, but also amount to a real physical threat to myself, as I live in Israel, where dissidents are branded as “destroyers of Israel” and are often subject to rape threats and violent physical attacks.

Despite the orchestrated attempt to smear our names and get our Berlin speaking gigs cancelled, we testified at the Bundestag – the German Parliament – about the recent Israeli attacks on Gaza and incitement to racist violence by top Israeli leaders. After giving our testimonies, we confronted one of the leading legislators who had publicly endorsed the smear campaign against us. In the wake of that debacle, Max and I might very well be banned from the Bundestag in the future.

I may not list potentially being banned from the Bundestag on my curriculum vitae as an accomplishment I am especially proud of, but I am certainly not ashamed of it, or of my actions that led to it. I trailed a 66-year-old parliamentarian down his office hallway, following him into a random room which turned out to be a restroom, and did not retreat when he sandwiched me into the door jamb. All the while, I called upon him to engage me and answer for his actions of the previous days.

I understand why some people without any knowledge of the events that preceded this incident might find it uncomfortable to watch the video of me in pursuit of a 66-year-old man in a business suit who clearly is not interested in exchanging words with me, in any language. But for the sake of my reputation, for the sake of my safety and the safety of my family, for the sake of other Jews who dare to criticize the rampant racism in Israeli society, and for the sake of Palestinian people and others who do the same – I felt I had to confront this man to his face, even if for only a moment.

The sequence of events that led to the confrontation began when Blumenthal and myself were invited by left-wing German lawmakers to come to Berlin to speak about the recent Israeli attacks on Gaza and incitement to racist violence by top Israeli leaders.

Of course, I understand well that these left-wing legislators did not offer to host Max and myself at the Bundestag because we are the only journalists in the world to report on these issues. Many Palestinian journalists have long written extensively on these topics and could have presented at least as competently as we did, if not much more so. No, let’s be honest – Max and I were specifically selected at least in part because we are Jews.

Non-Jewish critics of Israel are often accused of being motivated by a hatred of Jews, whether or not there is any substance to such slurs. By inviting a Jewish critic of Israel – or even better, a Jewish Israeli critic of Israel – to speak about Israeli crimes, non-Jewish critics of Israel may hope to shield themselves from these damaging accusations.

I do not believe that all non-Jewish critics of Israel are motivated by Jew-hatred. Also, I want people outside of Israel to know about the horrific racism that pervades Israeli society, so that we might combat it – because it is clearly not going to end on its own. So while I do not advertise my Jewishness or Israeliness in order to get invitations to speak, I will accept such invitations, even if I suspect they are in part motivated by identity politics.

But what I will not do is agree to be a soft target for baseless accusations of anti-semitism by opportunistic politicians who court favor with the Israeli government and its supporters. Nor will I agree to play a “Jew-shield” or “Israeli-shield”, and defend from attack opportunistic politicians from the Left who want me to speak publicly about Israel’s crimes on their home turf, but refuse to publicly support me when I endure the poisonous slings that they themselves had hoped to avoid.

On the eve of my flight to Germany, a Sheldon-Adelson-funded publicist orchestrated a campaign to have my and Max’s speaking engagements in Berlin cancelled. Jerusalem Post contributor Ben Weinthal successfully convinced German lawmakers Volker Beck and Petra Pau to denounce Max and myself, saying that with our work, we spread anti-semitism. Senior leftist lawmaker Gregor Gysi joined the public pile-on, announcing that we would not be allowed to speak in the Bundestag.

As one German newspaper after another repeated these vile accusations from Weinthal’s hasbara hit-piece, I waited for days for the parliamentarians who invited us to the Bundestag, Inge Hoger and Annette Groth, to repudiate these scandalous slurs. I implored them repeatedly to issue a press release publicly defending me and Max. After several days, they finally agreed to do so – but only after Max and I spoke at the Bundestag. Despite my reservations, Max and I delivered our presentations to the parliament, but no press release was issued afterwards, as promised.

Under these circumstances, I felt I had no choice but to confront my accusers.

At the end of our presentations, Max called upon those assembled to join us and confront Gregor Gysi, and this call was applauded by many in the audience. A group of us then walked to his office, prepared to talk to him politely and explain the consequences of his cavalier political ploy. However, he refused to come out of his office and meet with us, even for a minute. When he finally emerged, he strode right past us at a brisk pace, and – well, you probably saw the rest – I followed him and demanded that he acknowledge responsibility for the repercussions that I would have to face as a result of his actions.

[ I later uploaded the footage to YouTube, so that there would be a public record of the event and I could not be accused of something I did not do. ]

As I explained to a local journalist who filmed the entire episode, this is not about my ego being bruised. Because I have exposed Israeli state-sponsored racism, particularly towards African refugees, for years, I am defamed as a “destroyer of Israel” and physically attacked on the streets of Tel Aviv. On occasions too numerous to count, angry Jewish Israelis have called upon me and members of my family to be raped, gang-raped, mutilated and murdered. As this happens, average Israelis stand aside and police officers look on. Sadly, I am used to accusations of anti-semitism and the threats and assaults that follow.

It is contemptible that any person, let alone a German, would baselessly slander a critic of Israel as “spreading anti-semitism”, especially when that person is Jewish or even Israeli. But in the current climate, when Israelis are losing their jobs and are beaten in the streets when they dare to oppose army’s assaults on Gaza and the regime of racial and religious separation, labeling someone as such is akin to calling for them to be physically attacked. More than this, it is a reprehensible attempt to silence dissent and condemn the Palestinian people and other non-Jews in areas controlled by Israel to perpetual servitude and suffering.

For the sake of my self, my family, my friends, and my fellow human beings in Israel and Palestine – I will not be silent, not now, not ever.

217 Responses

  1. Horizontal
    November 13, 2014, 9:18 am

    David, that video displays the classic retreat of a powerful individual who is not used to being confronted. How appropriate that he cowers in a dark, bathroom closet.

    I hope you remain safe and applaud your inspired journalism.

    I also hope that you and Max might find your way to Capitol Hill soon and send a couple of hundred similar cowards scurrying to their bathroom redoubts. We’re bankrolling this madness, after all.

    • American
      November 13, 2014, 10:02 am

      ” I also hope that you and Max might find your way to Capitol Hill soon and send a couple of hundred similar cowards scurrying to their bathroom redoubts. We’re bankrolling this madness, after all ”

      YES !….that’s the kind of action needed.

      • Horizontal
        November 15, 2014, 8:40 am

        Understatement of the year.

  2. eljay
    November 13, 2014, 9:25 am

    Mr. Sheen, I admire your courage and I wish you and your family safety and peace.

  3. Kay24
    November 13, 2014, 9:56 am

    Like all bullies, the man turned out to be a coward when confronted by one of his victims.
    When he was found alone (with no fellow zionist to prop him up) he shows his true colors.
    He obviously was saying those things, because he was trying to please the mothership, and doing what a good servant does -attack anyone who criticizes zionist policies, or bring attention to their on going crimes.

    It was wonderful to see David confront him like that. I wish others would do the same thing.
    This ridiculous accusation of being anti-semitic, or self-hating, which is part of the zionist attack brigade, to silence free speech, has to be dealt with. Good luck to David and Max. Keep up the good work.
    Gysi looked terrified, and the coward deserves it.

    • Newclench
      November 14, 2014, 6:02 pm

      You think Gysi is a Zionist? Then the word has no meaning.

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 7:44 pm

        What do you mean?

      • Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 11:18 am

        “Then the word has no meaning.”

        God bless you, Newclench! I knew you would get it sooner or later.

    • ziusudra
      November 15, 2014, 2:57 am

      Greetings Kay24,
      …like all bullies….
      No, Kay, you got it wrong, dear.
      With all the help that Zionistan got from the big parties, corporations, zio lobbies & Banks by political parties here in germany, Mr Sheen went after de little guy who quipped ‘anti-semite against him & Max. Oy, Weh! That de crime? Look at Mr Gysi’s record in der Bundestag, he & his party were always against favoritism of Germany for Zionistan. Mr Sheen has to look at the real crimes committed for Zionistan.
      ziusudra

      • lysias
        November 17, 2014, 5:20 pm

        ziusudra, you haven’t explained why Gysi made those accusations of anti-Semitism.

  4. American
    November 13, 2014, 9:59 am

    I admire you for confronting that asshole.
    Everyone who has the opportunity to should be confronting and cutting these politicians down to size.

    • Horizontal
      November 15, 2014, 8:50 am

      I don’t know about Germany, but here in the states, so many politicians are in their own little bubble of wealth and power. Republicans like to denigrate liberal democrats as “elitists,” but in truth, most all of them are elites, living in nice neighborhoods with staffs and speaking gigs.

      Our media should be doing what David and Max are doing here, but they’re part of the elite structure themselves, and folks like Amy Goodman just don’t get access. If she did, you’d see them running to the bathrooms more often.

      The politicians will have a town meeting once in a while to hear what the common folk have to say, but big money really controls who has power and what gets done. Even the parties now control the Presidential Debates, which have become watered-down and meaningless; more like simultaneous stump speeches than anything else.

      Of course, Big Zion is one of those big money interests, if not the biggest.

      Frankly, it’s an out-of-touch, irresponsible, frustrating mess.

  5. Ageel
    November 13, 2014, 10:02 am

    David,
    Keep up the courageous work. Hopefully your actions will inspire other Israelis to stand up against an unjust system. I still cannot believe that the German media had the audacity to label you as an anti-Semite. Seems like this is the de facto response to anyone criticizing Israel.

  6. hophmi
    November 13, 2014, 10:20 am

    LOL. You were banned because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany, and Germans find comparisons like that deeply offensive. Step outside the cult, and you might understand that.

    Maybe now more people will realize what a thug Max Blumenthal is.

    • seafoid
      November 13, 2014, 11:04 am

      Israel is a car crash, hoppy.

      Inciting people to kill Palestinians, as Bibi does, and then hiding behind being a Jew, is despicable. Calling opposition to the mass murder of Gazan families anti-Semitism is straight out of the boy who cried wolf.

      Israel has lost Europe and people like you are living in the past because you don’t understand how dangerous Israel’s right wing has become.

      • Kay24
        November 13, 2014, 12:03 pm

        To your point:

        link to mondoweiss.net

        Resulted in the Kdheir family losing one kid in a horrible, horrible, evil murder, and the severe beating of another.

        link to america.aljazeera.com

        Maybe that is why people know Netanyahu is a thug, inciter, and war criminal.

    • Talkback
      November 13, 2014, 11:24 am

      “You were banned because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany, and Germans find comparisons like that deeply offensive.”

      To the contrary. What they find deeply offensive is that someone prevents them to make this comparisons openly. They know Nazism better than you will ever know and can spot it from miles away.

      German politicians are even more careful. Because if they criticize Israel they may find themselves in deadly accidents like parachutes failing to open:
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 11:30 am

        “To the contrary. What they find deeply offensive is that someone prevents them to make this comparisons openly. They know Nazism better than you will ever know and can spot it from miles away.”

        LOL. Based on what? Their radical lefty pretensions?

        “German politicians are even more careful. Because if they criticize Israel they may find themselves in deadly accidents like parachutes failing to open”

        LOL. You’re a sad joke. “Shortly before his death, Möllemann had been confronted with allegations he had been involved in illegal arms deals and evaded taxes on millions of euros he allegedly earned from those activities. To enable a full investigation on these charges, the Bundestag lifted his parliamentary immunity on 5 June 2003 at 12:28, 22 minutes before his death.”

      • Annie Robbins
        November 13, 2014, 11:30 am

        oh my. that’s quite a link talkback. i was reading this morning about the martyr Jacob Israël de Haan link to facebook.com

      • Annie Robbins
        November 13, 2014, 11:40 am

        “Shortly before his death, Möllemann had been confronted with allegations he had been involved in illegal arms deals and evaded taxes on million”

        oh how shocking. you mean he gets mobbed by a horde of angry zionists and then someone starts digging up crap on him? how rare. and what, no charges of pedophillia or hanging with prostitutes? link to en.wikipedia.org

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 11:42 am

        Let’s cut to the chase, Annie. Do you have a single iota of evidence to suggest this guy’s death had anything at all to do with his criticism of Israel? Plenty of German politicians and European politicians have criticized Israel. No one has died.

        If you don’t have any evidence to put up, shut up.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 13, 2014, 6:02 pm

        what chase? i never even heard of the guy til today. and the nature of professional murders disguised a suicides and others of that ilk is that proof is hard to find. but there is a trail of evidence that jews (not in general but not immune to it by any means ) have killed people who they don’t think are good for israel and zionism. all the time in fact. so there’s no compelling reason to believe one wouldn’t have. all you need is a rich benefactor willing to pay for it. hit men exist, it is a business. and i can speculate all i want.

        btw, wrt your put up shut up comment, you just might be ordering around the wrong girl.

      • Talkback
        November 14, 2014, 10:20 am

        LOL. Based on what? Their radical lefty pretensions?

        No, their lack of radical right narcissim which enables them to recognize the nature of crimes which were also commited by Nazis.

        Does it ring a bell when I tell you that one charge against the Nazis was the “Germanization of occupied territories?” allthough they would have never called them “occupied” but “liberated”?

        LOL. You’re a sad joke.

        Says the one implying that Mollemann needed to open and cut his first parachute and then needed his reserve parachute to fail to commit suicide … Who are you, Alan Dershowitz?

      • Kay24
        November 14, 2014, 4:28 pm

        Somehow Hoppie’s LOL does not ring true.

      • jd65
        November 14, 2014, 11:50 pm

        “Somehow Hoppie’s LOL does not ring true.” Absolutely right Kay24. He/She used the same acronym responding to me on USS Liberty article page. It’s obvious intentional button-pushing. There’s nothing funny, really. What a drag…

      • ziusudra
        November 15, 2014, 2:32 am

        Greetings Annie Robbins,
        As an American living here in Germany since 65, i happen to know Mr Gysi & his political platform. We have to understand he is one of the charismatic leaders of a feared leftist party for the traditions of Germans. For him to go up against the Horrors of what right winged governments have been doing in Israel since 48, would be suicide of the endangered left party.
        He is of all politicians the fearless one that goes up against all german parties that allow weaponry to Israel & he gets constant flak for it. To be called out by Mr Sheen is ignoring all the other parties that sit de fence & bend over backwards to Zionistan w/o ever supporting Falesteena.
        If Mr Sheen is against aiding the Zios in Zionstan than he should look back over the last yrs. to see what big german parties did all the supporting. Mr Gysi would appear to him to be a saint. Mr Sheen is correct, but he pinkled up de wrong tree. Mr Gysi is one of the good guys & he threads constantly with everybody on his back. All other parties are just waiting for one small critique against Zionistan from Mr Gysi & they’ll move to unseat said Party from politics!
        ziusudra
        PS I could even ponder that Mr. Sheen waving a false banner critizing a fall guy is helping also de right agin de left here in germany. If anything, Me Gysi is feared by the Zio lobbies here in Germany. Mr Sheen made no mention of their Lobby work here.
        What Mr Sheen was doing is considered a form of kidnapping, it’s a criminal offence in Germany. Mr Sheen’s tactic is what is typical of progressive Jewishness all over attempting to shame one in public. The German populace is mute on criticism of Israel & all politicians too out of fear of reprisals.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 15, 2014, 2:53 pm

        thanks ziusudra, i’m not sure why you’re directing your comment to me. i have not discussed mr gysi in this thread. my comments above were related to talkbacks link, a different politician who is now deceased.

      • Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 11:23 am

        “What Mr Sheen was doing is considered a form of kidnapping”

        And you ought to see the German word for it! It’s a doozie! Almost an entire sentence in itself.

      • Bandolero
        November 16, 2014, 2:35 pm

        In reply to: ziusudra – November 15, 2014, 2:32 am

        If anything, Me Gysi is feared by the Zio lobbies here in Germany.

        That is completely false and wrong.

        Let me explain. Mr Gysi was a prominent jewish figure in the GDR and it’s ruling party (SED), and, of course, as we know the GDR and it’s ruling party was anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-fascist, anti-Nazi and anti-zionist.

        When the GDR was swallowed by the FRG in 1990, the future existence of the SED was in doubt, and Gregr Gysi became the leader of the party. With the breakdown of the GDR anti-capitalist positions were discredited and the SED had no powerful friends. In that situation Mr Gysi and Ms Pau formed an alliance between the SED and the world Zionist lobby against anti-semitism, fascism and Nazism. Shimon Samuels from the Simon Wiesenthal Center in France wrote 2010 about that:

        Samuels reminded Pau that “when we last met in Jerusalem, you called for a campaign against antisemitism”, likewise recalling to Gysi that “we first spoke in the heady days of January 1990, when the wall had fallen and you fought to prevent the passage of neo-Nazis from West to East Berlin” continuing, “both of you have publicly denounced Dierkes, but your declared cause to contain antisemitism and neo-Nazism cannot be served by allowing such discourse to remain in your Party.”

        Source: Simon Wiesenthal Center, Paris, 15 March 2010, Wiesenthal Center to German ‘Left Party’ Leaders:- “Expel Holocaust Slanderer from your Party in order to keep it in Camp of Post-War and Post-Wall Democracy”

        Last not least due to the alliance with powerful right-wing Zionists like the Wiesenthal Center the SED party survived, is today called “The left” and stands for values like pacifism, anti-capitalism & anti-fascism. However, the alliance with right-wing Zionism is a serious contradiction in that general lefty national & global position, and Zionism is challenged from within parts of the Left party time and again as being racist, imperialist & war-mongering.

        Currently there are two major factions in the Left party: one called “reformer” and one called “anti-imperialists.” Gysi is head of the reformer wing in the party, and inside the reformer faction there are serious right-wing zionist neocon forces at work, sometimes refered by people who don’t like them as “the Mossad faction.” That’s while the anti-imperialist faction of the very same party tends to be somehow more pro-Palestinian. In German language, read the article in “Hintergrund” 17/3/2010: “Die LINKE – Von innen umzingelt” to understand who’s who regarding Zionism in the German Left party.

        You can imagine the high tensions between “The Mossad faction” and the the “anti-imperialists” in the left party. The stand-off between Gysi and Sheen/Blumenthal – who were invited by members of the “anti-imperialists” – is just one more episode to this.

      • Walid
        November 16, 2014, 4:17 pm

        “The stand-off between Gysi and Sheen/Blumenthal – who were invited by members of the “anti-imperialists” – is just one more episode to this. ”

        Bandolero, if you are saying that Max and Sheen were “used” or were recruited by the anti-imperialists to get back at Gysi, it may explain the absurd washroom episode.

      • Bandolero
        November 16, 2014, 4:45 pm

        Walid

        Bandolero, if you are saying that Max and Sheen were “used” or were recruited by the anti-imperialists to get back at Gysi, it may explain the absurd washroom episode.

        In my opinion, that they “used” Max & David “to get back at Gysi” is a wrong characterization.

        It’s more like that they wanted Max & David in Berlin to make a better point for their pro-palestinian positions, to get them influence the Left Party members and the German public that the strong pro-Israeli positions held by the German government and the realist/Mossad wing of the Left party are wrong, because the pro-Israeli positions contradict the German/Left commitment to human rights and justice.

        In my point of view, Gysi himself is likely trying to boil down tensions between “the Mossad faction” and “the anti-imperialist faction” in the left party, because he knows that these clashes have the potential to split and destroy the party. Gysi likely knows well how contradictionary the commitment for pro-Israel-stances is for an otherwise lefty anti-Nato-party. That’s likely why he feared this confrontation: he knows the pro-Israeli stance of his party is totally contradictionary to the rest of the party’s policies, but he fears that a clash between “the Mossad faction” and “the anti-imperialist faction” would destroy the party. Neither faction is strong enough without the other to make it over the 5%-threshold to get elected into the Bundestag. Of course, Gysi knows that the MSM in Germany likes nothing more than clashes inside the left party, because the German elite hates the left party for their anti-capitalist and anti-NATO-stances, and the MSM and the elites will do anything to widen any rift in the Left party. And Israel and the elite’s MSM are very strong in Germany. So Gysi tried to avoid the serious contradiction in his party regarding Zionism being exposed by not showing up and running away. Afterwards Gysi tried to play down the incident, so as not to widen the rift further.

        What went wrong seems to me that this background of German politics and Left politics in Germany was likely not explained, or not explained well enough, to Max and David when they were invited to come to Berlin by the anti-imperialist faction of the Left party.

      • Walid
        November 17, 2014, 1:14 am

        “It’s more like that they wanted Max & David in Berlin to make a better point for their pro-Palestinian positions, to get them influence the Left Party members and the German public that…”

        Thanks for the insight into German politics, news from there will now be more interesting for me. I still wonder how much of this is due to the leftists being sincerely pro-Palestinian and how much is due simply to weaken their opponents. I get the same perplexing feelings here at Mondo that has me wondering how much of the great fervor for justice for the Palestinians is out of pure concern for the underdog and how much of it is attributable to anti-Israel and anti-Zionist hate, especially from Jewish participants because of what’s being done to their Judaism. I’m seeing a possible parallel with the anti-imperialist invitation to Max and Sheen and the resulting washroom outburst by Sheen.

      • ziusudra
        November 17, 2014, 1:20 am

        Greetings Talkback,
        sorry to reply to you, but it’s a reply button left open .
        Greetings Bandelero,
        An excellent & multi faceted description of the history of the Left Party since the fall.
        No arguement here.
        It was not my Intention to stilt Mr Gysi, but simply to show that his leadership of his party is needed in Germany, as the Liberals are out, SPD & Green side with the Blacks, the SPD against the Left & the Blacks against the new AL. It’s mess! Keeping it simple, may i say that Mr.Gysi is pro Israel, but anti-zionistan. Both Mess. Max & Sheen are too, i leave it there.
        ziusudra
        PS Die Linke is very strong in the old DDR States, as the People trust them against the older West Parties. After WWII many old Nazis were accepted into the CDU & CSU & nobody squawked. The Left is democratic now. Take care, B.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 4:35 pm

        That’s likely why he feared this confrontation: he knows the pro-Israeli stance of his party is totally contradictionary to the rest of the party’s policies, but he fears that a clash…”

        Thanks, Bandelero, the whole thing is much more explicable now. Making a lot more sense to me.

      • Bandolero
        November 20, 2014, 11:17 pm

        Walid

        I still wonder how much of this is due to the leftists being sincerely pro-Palestinian and how much is due simply to weaken their opponents.

        I can assure you that the parlementarians who invited Max & David did that simply because they are pro human rights and they think Israel is very much anti human rights. Some of them are timid, but all of them would have a lot easier life if they would adhere to the demands of the Israel lobby, but their conscience puts them to confront Israel. They are a very tiny faction in German politics. Most others go for money and fame, instead of justice.

        Disclosure: I had some conversations with one of those politicians who invited Max & David a while ago. Had I known they invited Max & David I think maybe I could have helped them to avoid this displeasure. Those who invited Max & David are very much on the same page as Max & David, but sadly the event to promote their common views didn’t run well. It weakened those who invited Max & David. I’m sure it wasn’t the intention of Max & David, and neither the intention of those who invited them, so I think better communication would have been essential to get a better result.

      • Walid
        November 21, 2014, 1:30 am

        Bandolero, Sheen lost sight of the initial purpose of the invitation and went after the guy like a raging bull. It was a disservice to the group that invited them, to Max, to the Palestinians and to himself.

        Same could be said of the cousins that went on a rampage in the synagogue; it was wrong. Had they gone after military people or places, there would have been merit in what they did and actual heroes to their people. That too was a disservice to the Palestinian cause.

    • pabelmont
      November 13, 2014, 11:49 am

      hop: “You were banned because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany, and Germans find comparisons like that deeply offensive.”

      Well, I should hope so! Deeply! Because Germans have “cleaned up after” the Nazi period in various ways including paying enormous reparations, but Israelis are just as racist as the Nazis were (it appears) though not yet as murderous in most cases, and not yet systematically murderous, as the Nazis were 1930s, 1940s. Israeli police and soldiers standing by without doing anything while settlers and others commit grave crimes against Palestinians and Jews comes close to pogroms, anyhow. Nazism wasn’t born in a day. it took time to mature. Isrel is, sadly, a society maturing in that direction just now.

      But the comparison is offensive because Germans have said they are sorry and Israel ain’t admitted to having done anything wrong yet and keeps right on doing it.

      • ziusudra
        November 16, 2014, 4:24 am

        Greetings Annie Robbins,
        Me comment wasn’t directed at you for yor stand, but to you as a rep. of MW for this article by Mr Sheen.
        I unload again. Consider the rubric of the 1 Minute Video of the Dude in black: German politicians against Mr. Gysi. That’s it in a nutshell. These pol. pat. support Zionistan of Israel, Mr Gysi doesn’t.
        Some of your most apt & level headed commentators for whom i have the most respect, don’t seem to know what Mr. Gysi stands for as a former communist & anti Nazi type. He’s certainly not in a bunk with de zios.
        Me tks to all sides on MW, yes, Hophmi, you’re such a lovey person.
        Bye, Dear.
        ziusudra
        PS Mr Sheen avows to be against zionism, but he’s doing it in a pol. forum in Germany with the help of pol. par. that support the present aspirations of right winged Israeli Goverments using Mr Gysi, the leftist who is against said german pol. par. There ‘s the incongruiiy of his actions. Mr Gysi should not be in de picture.This is where Mr Sheen sits de fence with them.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 16, 2014, 7:09 pm

        ok, i hear you. and thought i would mention we (the site) have gotten some email response from germans who appreciate what sheen and max did.

    • Walid
      November 13, 2014, 11:52 am

      “… because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany ”

      Please count the ways they are different from each other, Hophmi, especially in the treatment of Gaza; you could be right, at least Palestinians are not being forced to wear distinctive markings on their clothes.

      • Kay24
        November 13, 2014, 1:14 pm

        It is not as if some of the crazy Israeli leaders do not have similar thoughts. The abused has become the abuser, and have the same vicious thoughts. There are similarities when it comes to the tactics of the Nazis and the Zionists.

        “An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza and ‘the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters’.
        Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend.
        He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza – which includes shipping its residents across the world – in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.”

        link to dailymail.co.uk

    • talknic
      November 13, 2014, 5:54 pm

      @ hophmi ” You were banned because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany”

      Yup! As long as Israel IS in breach of laws and a UN Charter based in large part on the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis, Jewish folk everywhere should be very active in seeing their state change it’s ways. If that involves pointing out Israel’s naziesque behaviour, it isn’t Max’s fault. Shooting the messenger doesn’t resolve anything

      Meanwhile the Jewish state obsessively continues to build illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory. The Jewish state obsessively continues its policy of collective punishment and has active MPs who obsess over cleansing the Jewish state of its non-Jewish Arab citizens. Quite naziesque and YOU obsessively support it.

      “Step outside the cult, and you might understand that”

      International Law is a cult. WOW! I wonder why Israel obliged itself to adhere to it or join the UN for that matter all it has done is show the world that Israel’s leaders and the Jewish agency were f*(&ing liars

      “Maybe now more people will realize what a thug Max Blumenthal is”

      Strange. Max Blumenthal merely advocates that Israel adheres to its legal obligations. He hasn’t dispossessed anyone and doesn’t advocate dispossessing anyone of their rightful place. He doesn’t illegally settle, doesn’t advocate that people illegally settle, does not practice or advocate collective punishment. YOU and your kind DO!

      You must be very proud

    • ASBizar
      November 13, 2014, 7:51 pm

      Why offensive? Nazis loved to ethnically cleanse Jews. Israel loves to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

    • Justpassingby
      November 14, 2014, 6:33 am

      hophmi

      Coming from you that got scared when you outed yourself. What a pathetic guy you are.
      Not surprising that you enjoy the threats against Sheen.

    • Horizontal
      November 14, 2014, 7:51 pm

      Guy sitting at a desk talking to Bundestag is a thug. Guy chasing slanderous old entitled dude into his bathroom lair with a camera phone is a thug. Guy shooting kids in the head throwing stones is not a thug. Guy launching missile into hospital killing children is not a thug. Guy defending same is not in a cult and not a thug.

      Thanks for the crystal clear moral instruction, hophmi. Stop by any time.

      • Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 11:25 am

        “chasing slanderous old entitled dude into his bathroom lair with a camera phone”

        If you can say that in one word, in German, it’s almost a form of kidnapping!

  7. hophmi
    November 13, 2014, 10:22 am

    Are you going to take responsibility, David, for the threats made on the lives of Jews in reaction to Max’s oft-stated Israel-Nazi comparisons? Are you going to take responsibility for those threats, David? Because they’re real. Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.

    • a blah chick
      November 13, 2014, 10:44 am

      That’s a pretty strong accusation there, I think you need to back up with ONE case where the assailant acted on anything either Sheen and Blumenthal wrote or said. Just one.

      Sheen and Blumenthal are documenting the racism and war crimes that Israel is committing. Since you have a problem with that take it up with the thugs in Jerusalem.

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 11:41 am

        I didn’t say Sheen and Blumenthal. I said people like Sheen and Blumenthal. Of course, outside of Europe, Frazier Glenn Miller cited Max’s work frequently before he went and shot up the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park, Kansas.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 13, 2014, 11:45 am

        ”I didn’t say Sheen and Blumenthal. I said people like Sheen and Blumenthal.”

        So who are these ”people like Sheen and Blumenthal”? How do you define being a person ”like Sheen and Blumenthal”? Could you name names, both of those ”people like Sheen and Blumenthal” and the people you claim have died as a result of their actions?

      • Cliff
        November 13, 2014, 3:40 pm

        Hoppy says ‘people LIKE Max and David’

        Yes, tell us how Max and David are responsible for ‘people who are like them’. Whatever the hell that even means according to a mouthbreathing, Jewish terrorist like you.

        Shut the […] up you idiotic [..].

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 4:48 pm

        “Of course, outside of Europe, Frazier Glenn Miller cited Max’s work frequently before he went and shot up the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park, Kansas.”

        Clean through the bottom of the barrel, every time.

      • talknic
        November 14, 2014, 5:44 am

        hophmi “I didn’t say Sheen and Blumenthal.”

        tch tch tch lying will not get you anywhere especially when what you did write is still there for all to see …

        hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 10:22 am

        Are you going to take responsibility, David, for the threats made on the lives of Jews in reaction to Max’s -stated Israel-Nazi comparisons?

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 7:56 pm

        I’m thinking that whoever gets the nightly Mondoweiss gig at the Israeli Propaganda Center must really hate it. They would much rather have the US Congress gig, or the US President gig, or even the US Media gig. All of those are a piece of cake.

        Here, it’s just brutal.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 5:56 pm

        “I’m thinking that whoever gets the nightly Mondoweiss gig at the Israeli Propaganda Center must really hate it.”

        I know what you mean. They’re sitting there, thinking “for this I went to yeshiva

        Of course, they can always hang it up and go into Cosmetology. Think what they could do for women or men with thinning hair ! Literally double the amount!

    • eljay
      November 13, 2014, 10:49 am

      >> hophmi: Are you going to take responsibility, David, for the threats made on the lives of Jews in reaction to Max’s oft-stated Israel-Nazi comparisons? Are you going to take responsibility for those threats, David? Because they’re real. Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.

      Are you going to take responsibility, hophmeee, for the threats made on the lives and livelihoods of Palestinians in reaction to the words and deeds of hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists? Are you going to take responsibility for those threats, hophmeee? Because they’re real. For over 60 years, Palestinians have been maimed, tortured and killed and Palestinian livelihoods have been destroyed as a result of the incitement of unrepentant Zio-supremacists like you.

      • tree
        November 13, 2014, 1:39 pm

        Of course, outside of Europe, Frazier Glenn Miller cited Max’s work frequently before he went and shot up the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park, Kansas.

        What a despicable lie in an even more desperate and despicable attempt to blame Blumenthal for the act of a bigot and right wing fanatic with a decades long history of violence! There you go citing unreliable right wing sources again as if they are credible. It’s a very disturbing trend on your part.

        As Alex Kane and Phan Nguyen pointed out right here at Mondoweiss back in April, VNN, the right wing forum that Miller sometimes posted to, mentioned Max approximately 45 times, mostly in a negative vein, and mostly with reference to Max’s work exposing the attitudes of right wing and extremist Republicans. Miller himself did not cite “Max’s work frequently” but only linked to it ONCE.

        The idea is to tie Blumenthal to the Kansas shootings, by way of the alleged perpetrator Frazier Glenn Cross. Yet for all their attempts to create a connection, the single tie is this:

        Cross is believed to have been a frequent contributor to the VNN Forum. Out of 12,683 forum posts attributed to Cross, one single post was found to have mentioned “Jew journalist Max Blumenthal.” That single post contains a broken link to a page that once linked to a YouTube clip of a brief interview with Blumenthal. In that interview, Blumenthal explained how neoconservative supporters of Netanyahu in DC were hoping to sway the 2012 presidential election in their favor.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        (note: Cross is the real name of the man known as Frazier Glenn Miller)

        But then you know all this, hophmi, because you are a regular here and surely must have read that article. And still you repeated the bogus smear. If you have any integrity left at all, hophmi, you will retract your statement and admit it was a bald-faced lie.

    • lysias
      November 13, 2014, 10:51 am

      Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.

      That’s quite an accusation. Sort of reminds me of the accusations that Bradley/Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden have caused deaths. Acccusations that it turned out could not be substantiated. Can you name one Jew who has died for the reason you assert?

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 11:08 am

        It’s at least as credible an accusation as David Sheen blaming Gregor Gysi for whatever death threats he thinks he’ll get because Gysi accused him of being an antisemite.

        Can you name a single Israeli leftist who has died because a Gregor Gysi called him an antisemite? There are definitely European Jews who have been killed in Europe, and many who have been physically attacked in the past decade.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 13, 2014, 11:14 am

        ”Can you name a single Israeli leftist who has died because a Gregor Gysi called him an antisemite?”

        Why are you answering a question with a question?

        You made a very explicit and serious claim:

        ”Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.”

        Lysias asked you to name anyone who died as a result of Max and ‘people like you and him’. And your response is to turn the question around? Classic hasbara.

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 11:38 am

        I answered your question, and it’s interesting that you’re going through so much trouble to deny what this site has readily admitted many times. This site’s stock response to those who raise concerns about antisemitism in Europe is to assert that it’s because of what Israel does in the Middle East, which is, of course, the subject of inflammatory, radical coverage by people like Max and David, who has said that his goal is to publicize Israel’s behavior outside of Israel. This radical coverage encourages antisemites to engage in violent activity against Jews around the world, but particularly in Europe, and the rise in violent attacks against Jews in Europe is well-documented.

      • Kris
        November 13, 2014, 12:56 pm

        @hophmi: “This site’s stock response to those who raise concerns about antisemitism in Europe is to assert that it’s because of what Israel does in the Middle East, which is, of course, the subject of inflammatory, radical coverage by people like Max and David, who has said that his goal is to publicize Israel’s behavior outside of Israel. This radical coverage encourages antisemites to engage in violent activity against Jews around the world, but particularly in Europe,…”

        Agreed, it’s the COVERAGE of Israel’s crimes that results in anger against Jews around the world. Why would anyone be angry about Israel’s crimes if they didn’t know about them?

        I wasn’t angry about Israel’s deliberate massacre of U.S. sailors on the U.S.S. Liberty until, through COVERAGE, I learned about it. Israel’s other crimes–same thing. I am never upset about them until, through COVERAGE, I learn about them.

      • Sycamores
        November 13, 2014, 1:28 pm

        hophmi,

        the raise concerns of anti-Semitism in Europe was during the operation protective edge where over 2100 Palestinians were kill, mostly civilians including children, women and the elderly. Europeans don’t take kindly to that, this make them very critical of Israel behavior not anti-Semited. the same way they are critical of what happening in the rest of the Middle East.

        i’m not saying there was no anti-Semitism because there was and a lot of it was down to equating Jews with Israel, i wonder why? but the vast majority of Europeans can distinguish the difference between the Jewish people and Israel occupation of the Palestinians.

        if anything David Sheen and Max Blumenthal are preventing the rise of anti-Semitism among those who are not as aware of Israel behavior by telling their stories to non-Jews and Jews alike that the Jewish people are not monolithic like any other group of people.

        This site’s stock response to those who raise concerns about antisemitism in Europe is to assert that it’s because of what Israel does in the Middle East, which is, of course, the subject of inflammatory, radical coverage by people like Max and David, who has said that his goal is to publicize Israel’s behavior outside of Israel.

        this is a bogus claim, Europeans can make up their own minds. they have their own media (not to mention social media) that is not as heavily censored as the the US media and have seen regular videos of Israeli atrocities especially during operation protective edge. the Europeans do not depend on sites like Mondoweiss or people like David Sheen or Max Blumenthal for their coverage on Israel/Palestine to say anything different is showing your ignorance on the subject.

      • eljay
        November 13, 2014, 1:40 pm

        >> hophmeee: This radical coverage encourages antisemites to engage in violent activity against Jews around the world …

        Radical coverage of the actions of Arabs/Muslims encourages haters to engage in violent activity against Arabs/Muslims around the world. I support your opposition to such radical coverage.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 13, 2014, 3:02 pm

        the israel theatre along with a host of israel officials including mossad are hosting “terrorism” conferences all over europe blathering on encouraging islamophobia w/nary a care in the world about encouraging racism. link to artistsright2sayno.wordpress.com

        UPDATE: conference participants include Shabtai Shavit, former director of Mossad, Tzachi Strumza, former head of the [VIP] security section, Shabak, and Brig. Gen. (retired) Nitzan Nuriel, former Director of the Counter Terrorism Bureau of the Israeli PM’s office. More in follow-up post shortly

        The purpose of the open letter is to protest the participation of European theatres in a Brand Israel exercise led by Israel’s national theatre, Habima. The ‘Terror Special conference’ is part of ‘TERRORisms’, a two-year project by the Union of Theatres of Europe, under the leadership of its current president, Habima’s Artistic Director Ilan Ronen.

        hops should dig that big ol mote out of his own eye before lecturing us on what encourages racism.

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 3:16 pm

        “Radical coverage of the actions of Arabs/Muslims encourages haters to engage in violent activity against Arabs/Muslims around the world. I support your opposition to such radical coverage.”

        I’m not sure what constitutes “radical coverage,” (I assume you mean the Pamela Geller variety) but I’ve long been a vocal opponent of Islamophobia, and Islamophobic coverage of the Muslim community, and I am on the board of multiple organizations that do Jewish-Muslim outreach.

      • seafoid
        November 13, 2014, 4:01 pm

        “and I am on the board of multiple organizations that do Jewish-Muslim outreach. ”

        sorry Hoph but that sounds as plausible as Larry Flynt taking a few non exec director roles for feminist NGOs.

      • hophmi
        November 13, 2014, 4:25 pm

        “sorry Hoph but that sounds as plausible as Larry Flynt taking a few non exec director roles for feminist NGOs.”

        seafoid; why on Earth would I make that up? Anti-Zionism is not a requirement for joining Jewish-Muslim organization.

        “hosting ‘terrorism’ conferences all over europe blathering on encouraging islamophobia”

        Explain to me how holding a terrorism conference encourages Islamophobia. Are you asserting that Islamic extremism is not a problem in Europe? Has Europe not had any terrorist attacks in the last 15 years?

        Let’s nail this down. Anti-terrorism conferences, which address the actions of Islamic extremists, a tiny minority of a religion of 1.5 billion people on a continent that has experienced several terrorist attacks in which dozens and dozens of people have been killed, are Islamophobic, but anti-Zionist conferences, of which there have been many at European universities and elsewhere, and which demonize the people of a state that contains close to half of the world’s Jewish population, are not anti-Jewish. That’s your position?

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 4:56 pm

        “and I am on the board of multiple organizations that do Jewish-Muslim outreach. ”

        And has spent, for years, a lot of time typing out comments to Mondoweiss. Now, who could that possibly be?

      • seafoid
        November 13, 2014, 5:12 pm

        Mooser

        The only Jewish org doing outreach to Muslims of the type I can imagine Hoppy doing would be the Shin Bet torture wing

      • ritzl
        November 13, 2014, 6:07 pm

        Bingo, Sycamores.

        if anything David Sheen and Max Blumenthal are preventing the rise of anti-Semitism among those who are not as aware of Israel behavior by telling their stories to non-Jews and Jews alike that the Jewish people are not monolithic like any other group of people.

        Absolutely true. As has been said here so often, it is Israel that claims it acts as an agent of all Jews. So it is Israel that repeatedly asserts that blowing the heads off of Palestinian children in support of land and resource assimilation is a big part of what it means to be and act Jewish.

        Max and David are countering that dangerous assertion. As are so many here and the site itself. God’s work if you ask me.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 6:08 pm

        Of course, the idea that Israel or Zionism has some responsibility to the rest of the Jews in the world, or indeed, some responsibility to the Jews in Israel and should take that into account when it acts, is a non-starter with Hophmi.

        Hophmi is very clear about that, it’s Zionism he supports, not Jews or even Judaism.

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 8:03 pm

        This radical coverage encourages antisemites to engage in violent activity against Jews around the world, but particularly in Europe, and the rise in violent attacks against Jews in Europe is well-documented.

        Now here you’re conflating the message with the messenger. I don’t believe that Max or David need to paint Israel as ugly, because it is ugly. If that ugliness is indeed present, then that is what is animating an increase in European anti-Semitism.

        You job, then, is to provide instances where their reporting wasn’t based on facts. If those facts are ugly, then so be it.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 6:00 pm

        .” If that ugliness is indeed present….”

        Yes, but one man’s raging bull is another man’s cash cow.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 10:23 pm

        “and I am on the board of multiple organizations that do Jewish-Muslim outreach”

        Why, that’s wonderful, Hophmi. So why not post under your full name, so all the Jewish-Muslims you outreach to can share in the discussion?

    • seafoid
      November 13, 2014, 11:06 am

      “Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.”

      57 Jewish soldiers died because Bibi decided on a bit of lawnmowing, Hoppy. Far more serious than your baseless slurs against Blumenthal. Or is it all Jewish destiny that those grunts die in Gaza ?

      • jon s
        November 16, 2014, 6:56 am

        Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired. Go figure.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 16, 2014, 8:26 pm

        jon, here’s your heads up link to mondoweiss.net
        you might notice i edited your spelling. next time that will be up to you.

      • seafoid
        November 17, 2014, 3:03 pm

        “Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired. Go figure.”

        Hophmi, based on what she posts here, is a bigot. Maybe she opens supermarkets with disabled Palestinians in real life and uses this site to deal with her anger issues but I doubt it.
        Blumenthal doesn’t promote hatred. You have enough politicians to do that for you.

        Start with Naftali

        link to youtube.com

        Not even Bernie Sanders could breathe life into the memes in August

        link to youtube.com

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 1:02 pm

        “Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed…”

        Ah, I knew I could count on you, “Jon s”. Are you going to link us to all the Muslim outreach efforts Hophmi is involved in, and point out his name on the Board of Directors or masthead?

    • Talkback
      November 13, 2014, 11:28 am

      “Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.”

      No, they die while killing others, mostly innocents children and woman. THAT’s real outside your supremacist perception bubble. Are you going to take responsibility for your inciting support of war crimes? Don’t answer.

      • seafoid
        November 13, 2014, 2:37 pm

        Hoppy and his emotive language. “Jews die”, link it to some unlinked fruitcake. “Jews die” is a close relative of “jews are killed”. Palestinians are killed because that is the way of the world. But when jews die the earth mother cries.

        Reminds me of an article in the guardian by some bot when those kids were kidnapped. “The ultimate jewish nightmare , when the kids don’t come home”. You can only understand if you are jewish. Because goys don’t love their kids. And Arabs have no emotions. “We didn’t establish the state of israel to have our kids go missing”. And violence is the only language gaza understands. That zionist blend of pathological narcissism and satanic cruelty. f

      • jon s
        November 17, 2014, 2:42 pm

        Annie, Thanks for the correction. It would still be nice to get the “edit” function back.

    • Giles
      November 13, 2014, 11:43 am

      Let’s be honest with ourselves, hophmi.

      It certainly seems the racism among most Israelis and their supporters is at least equal to the racism in Nazi Germany.

      Why can this not be openly acknowledged?

    • Marnie
      November 13, 2014, 12:00 pm

      Jews die because of Max and David? Provide the facts and have facts handy before you take to your keyboard.

      You’re out of your mind. Jews die because the leaders of the state of israel are brutal, revenge seeking, war mongering cave men and women and innocent people die when these people have power.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 4:59 pm

        ” Where was he after Bibi sent the bombers to Gaza in July?”

        Yup, he just sort of faded away for a while there, and the gap in the date-stamps is pretty clear. Either he didn’t want to talk about it, or he was, well, busy.

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 8:06 pm

        It’s a drive-by.

        But like the clap, he’ll be back when you least expect it.

    • American
      November 13, 2014, 12:26 pm

      hoppie….

      “Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max.”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Nope, more Jews are likely to die because of Jews like you who when given a choice of which way to go in the world chose to follow the Netanyahus and the other absolutely worse picks of the litter.

    • seafoid
      November 13, 2014, 3:14 pm

      “Are you going to take responsibility, David, for the threats made on the lives of Jews in reaction to Max’s oft-stated Israel-Nazi comparisons? Are you going to take responsibility for those threats, David? Because they’re real. Jews die as result of the incitement of people like you and Max. ”

      Hoppy is some operator. Where was he after Bibi sent the bombers to Gaza in July? I was expecting him to defend the slaughter like Jon S did, a necessary cleansing to make Israel purer. I thought he’d have the balls to stand up for Israel when it counted but he went AWOL.

      I thought he’d be able to defend this

      link to youtube.com

      and this

      link to electronicintifada.net

      But for Hoppy there is no such thing as Jewish agency.
      It’s all irrational Jew hatred.

      And it’s all Max Blumenthal’s fault. Because Max is (self hating) Jewish and as such he’s a far finer reporter than Jon Snow

      link to youtube.com

      and Max Hastings

      link to dailymail.co.uk

      And brainless Christians in the UK can only be moved to despise Zionism by a traitor like Blumenthal- they are too innocent to be trusted with their own judgement.

      And nothing happened on Social media without the evil hand of Blumenthal.
      Hoppy- you need new material. And please stay with us next time Israel goes postal.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 13, 2014, 4:10 pm

        Yeah, I remember during the Gaza massacre Hoppy went AWOL, only to pop up when there were accusations of ‘anti semitism’ concerning the pro-Gaza march in Paris. I suppose he feels more comfortable in that sort of territory.

        BTW I noticed the same thing in other message boards. Self-styled ‘liberal Zionists’ were conspicuous by their absence, because they knew there was no way the usual lib-Zio talking points were going to cut it. Only the fanatic – or, if you prefer, more honest – Zionists dared to show their virtual faces.

      • jon s
        November 14, 2014, 4:19 pm

        ” I was expecting him to defend the slaughter like Jon S did, a necessary cleansing to make Israel purer …”
        I never “defended a slaughter”. During the summer I was horrified by the bloodshed, especially the civilian casualties, and I placed primary blame on Hamas. And of course I never said any such nonsense about making israel ” purer”.

        Mr. Sheen and Mr. Blumenthal repeatedly compare Israel to the Nazis. Doing so in Germany is especially outrageous.

      • Horizontal
        November 15, 2014, 9:13 am

        How is Hamas responsible for Israel launching battlefield weapons with a known blast radius in a densely populated urban setting thus guaranteeing a large number of civilian deaths?

        The thing to do to prevent civilian deaths is to send in foot-soldiers, but then you’d have more IDF deaths, which, as you know, are politically unpopular. So Israel, fully knowing the above, just stood back and lobbed shells into Gaza, blaming the known result on “telegenically dead” children, staged for sympathy that was somehow supposed to be undeserving.

        Israel’s actions were and continue to be immoral, dishonest and disgusting. At least your being horrified by the bloodshed is a good start. You just can’t bring yourself to be angry at the right perpetrator. Yet.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 6:06 pm

        “I never “defended a slaughter”.”

        For those new to the site, any commenter’s archive can be accessed by simply pressing their name above any comment. That hasn’t changed, “Jon s”.

      • seafoid
        November 17, 2014, 3:16 pm

        @ Jon s

        “I never “defended a slaughter”. During the summer I was horrified by the bloodshed, especially the civilian casualties ”

        jon s July 19, 2014, 6:46 am According to several reports that I’ve seen , in the present fighting -as in the previous round – Hamas operational hq is in the basement of Shifa hospital. Cynical exploitation of the hospital’s immunity. It’s like you don’t see what you’re looking at. The Hamas man is standing in the open, talking to the press, without any fear that he’ll be granted his wish to become a martyr – because he’s at a hospital. – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

        you swallowed the hasbara and regurgitated it. Anyone at that hospital was a legitimate target for you in July. Obviously civilian casualties dreadful, especially the systematic ones.

        Here’s Mads Gilbert on the view from the other side

        link to youtube.com

        I’m sure everyone in Shifa was really happy about your triangulation

        When Israel had 95% Jewish support for the carnage you were part of that 95%. It was easier than joining Levy, wasn’t it ? You wouldn’t want to stand out amongst the neighbours. Very hard for the barbecues afterwards.

      • Teapot
        November 13, 2014, 5:40 pm

        Great, I totally messed up the link. What I meant to say was…

        “…13 comments at the bottom of this article from Arutz Sheva (include link)”

      • jon s
        November 16, 2014, 6:48 am

        Horizontal, I tried to reply, but my comment was critical of Hamas and didn’t pass moderation.

        Mooser, Absolutely, check the archive.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 16, 2014, 8:23 pm

        jon, you may not post unconfirmed government propaganda as if it was fact. just stick “i believe” in front of your allegations next time.

      • jon s
        November 17, 2014, 3:43 pm

        Seafoid, Anyone who can read can see that I never wrote what you’re accusing me of, that anyone at the hospital was a legitimate target. I was pointing out the “cynical exploitation of the hospital’s immunity. “

      • seafoid
        November 17, 2014, 4:27 pm

        Jon AFAIR the bots destroyed 5 hospitals and hit Shifa several times. In all cases people were killed. And people like you who should know better were regurgitating IDF talking points. You might deeply regret civilian casualties but by systematically attacking hospitals Israel tries to redefine the rules of war. The UN schools were attacked multiple times too. Pour encourager les autres. 46 killed sheltering at UN schools including 10 UN employees.

        How many Israeli civilians died? Was it 4? Wasn’t Hamas evil, Jon?

        There is nowhere safe in Gaza when your people attack.

        Blaming Hamas is insane. Jewish agency is what you got in 1948 and you never accept it. You always whine victimhood.

        As Shulman says, if Israel had supported Palestinian moderates during the summer there may have been some logic. But there was none other than the logic of the Hebrew Iliad where Gaza is Amalek.

        What the IDF did in August ultimately made Israel less safe. When IS or whoever it is rolls up at the border nowhere in Israel will be safe. your hospitals will be taken out too.
        Those are the new rules, courtesy of the IDF.

      • hophmi
        November 17, 2014, 5:33 pm

        “How many Israeli civilians died? Was it 4? Wasn’t Hamas evil, Jon?”

        How many would have died if Israel had no bomb shelters? A lot more than 4. Stop acting like the low civilian death total has any relationship to Hamas’s depravity as a terrorist organization.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 1:07 pm

        “How many would have died if Israel had no bomb shelters?”

        Hophmi, you are getting mixed up. Those pictures with acres of complete destruction from aerial bombardment are in Gaza, not in “Israel”

      • eljay
        November 19, 2014, 2:04 pm

        >> hophmeee: How many would have died if Israel had no bomb shelters? A lot more than 4.

        How many more would have died in Gaza if Palestinians had bomb shelters onto which Israel could drop bunker-buster bombs because they just *knew* that terrorists were hiding in them? A lot more than the couple of thousand that were killed.

        >> Stop acting like the low civilian death total has any relationship to Hamas’s depravity as a terrorist organization.

        Stop acting like the high civilian death total in Gaza has no relationship to Israel’s depravity as an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • ASBizar
      November 13, 2014, 7:53 pm

      Palestinians die as a result of what Jews are doing to them. Do you take responsibility for their murderous actions? because ignoring such actions by people like you make it possible. And while your accusation is not backed by evidence, mine is.

      • jon s
        November 17, 2014, 2:38 pm

        Annie,
        Fine, let’s remember that when this blog posts unconfirmed Hamas propaganda.

        Are you serious about telling me to stick “I believe” ? I think that it should be taken for granted that I believe that what I write is the truth.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 6:27 pm

        “I think that it should be taken for granted that I believe that what I write is the truth.”

        Anotherwords, you are ashamed of the bilge the rhetorical skunk-water, you spray, and refuse to take ownership of it. Are you that devoid of immoral courage?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 17, 2014, 7:01 pm

        yes, i was serious. and as i recall we’ve had this conversation before on the same topic.

    • Giles
      November 16, 2014, 8:13 am

      Which Jews have died as a result of the incitement of people like David and Max? I am honestly curious. Do you actually know of any?

      • jon s
        November 17, 2014, 3:24 pm

        The gist of my reply to Horizontal -which I believe to be true, Annie -was that Hamas bears primary respnsibility because they
        – fired thousands of rockets and mortars at our civilian population
        -used schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian residences as launching sites, weapons depots, etc.
        -invested virtually zero in providing shelters for their civilian population, while they , the Hamas leadership, had shelters.

      • eljay
        November 17, 2014, 3:33 pm

        >> jon s: The gist of my reply to Horizontal … was that Hamas bears primary responsibility …

        Even though the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel is the occupying power and has been engaged in aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder against Palestinians for far longer than Hamas has been in existence.

        Each new victim in the rapist’s bunker is to blame for the his past and on-going acts of injustice and immorality.

        Funny how that works…

      • seafoid
        November 17, 2014, 3:38 pm

        “invested virtually zero in providing shelters for their civilian population, while they , the Hamas leadership, had shelters.” –

        Just wondering how you envision Hamas paying for shelters, Jon. 80% of the people in Gaza depend on the UN food program for food. It is your neighbours who ensure that happens.
        I don’t know if you know much about economics but Gaza has been turned into a pauper population.
        So where was the money supposed to come from?
        And is your starting position on Gaza that the situation is normal and that it’s desperately ungentlemanly of Hamas to respond to IDF provocation ?

        Do you also think the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto should have had a formal army ?

        And back to Shulman, I’m afraid.

        “One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. ”

        That must be the case for you too.

  8. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    November 13, 2014, 10:24 am

    When I fist saw this video I did wonder a bit about Sheen’s tactics, especially about his choice of target and the confrontational way of dealing with him.

    But now that I’ve read this piece, I understand Sheen’s behaviour a lot better.

    BTW isn’t it funny that anti-Islamic ‘activists’ such as Ayaan Hirsi Magan have basically made a career out of receiving death threats, whereas death threats against critics of Israel – such as Sheen or that guy who runs Conflict Kitchen – are barely deemed worthy of mention in the mainstream media?

    • Kay24
      November 13, 2014, 11:30 am

      You are right, it all depends on who is getting those death threats. Anyone against the zionists becomes the target of attacks, whether journalists (like Helen Thomas), Celebrities (like Penelope Cruz) or Film Makers (like David Sheen) they are viciously insulted, attacked, and made into examples for others, who may dare speak out.

      Ayaan Hirsi seems to be an opportunist, who lies about many things, and I suspect being used by anti Islamic elements, to promote their agenda. She seems to be a dodgy character, trying to spark controversy.

      Dutch citizenship controversy:

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Even drawing criticism from fellow atheist at Yale:

      link to huffingtonpost.com

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 13, 2014, 11:43 am

        Yeah, Hirsi Magan is basically a charlatan, and a dangerous one. Much of her life story has been fabricated, and there are doubts as to whether she even writes her own books or speeches. But because she received a death threat, she’s a heroine and above reproach.

        Do you know that she once referred to Deuteronomy as a person, and has said that Catholics don’t believe in hell? And this person is held up as an expert on religion?

      • Kay24
        November 14, 2014, 7:50 am

        She is indeed a fake, and there are certain anti Muslim elements, wealthy ones, in the US, who might use her, to further their evil causes. She is cheap enough to go along, and poison minds.
        I notice they get hold of some like her, and get them to write articles in their nasty website, citing “a Muslim” who criticizes Islam.

    • ASBizar
      November 13, 2014, 7:54 pm

      That’s how pathetic the whole power structure is.

    • jon s
      November 17, 2014, 3:31 pm

      Horizontal,
      As to the morality, see Prof. Kasher’s essay :
      link to jewishreviewofbooks.com

      • RoHa
        November 17, 2014, 9:28 pm

        Shot down neatly in the comments below.

    • jon s
      November 17, 2014, 4:27 pm

      Seafoid,
      Somehow Hamas had the funds to acquire huge quantities of rockets and other weapons.
      And , surely, if they had the know-how, the budget , the material and the manpower to dig all those tunnels -they could have built some air-raid shelters.

      • seafoid
        November 17, 2014, 4:49 pm

        I don’t know what to say to you, Jon. Israel bombs hospitals. What is the point of bomb shelters against an army that bombs hospitals ?

        Israel drops warnings on homes and gives people 1 minute to leave or die. It doesn’t care about who lives or dies. It’s something out of the bronze age in terms of morality.

        There is something simply incoherent about your Hamas shit list given how the IDF operates.

        And Gaza will be unlivable by 2020. That’s Israel’ s baby.

  9. lysias
    November 13, 2014, 11:01 am

    Gysi was a member of the ruling Communist Party (SED) in East Germany before the fall of the Wall. When Gorbachev came to power in the USSR, he was one of the leading German Communists supporting Gorbachev’s reforms. A German court after unification convicted him of having collaborated with the Stasi. He had to resign from the Berlin municipal government in 2002 because of a scandal. His present behavior shows that all along he has been an opportunist and power-worshipper.

    • Talkback
      November 13, 2014, 11:13 am

      According to Gisy his paternal grandmother and his maternal great grandfather were Jewish.

      • lysias
        November 13, 2014, 11:37 am

        And his father was a cabinet minister in East Germany.

  10. JohannBorck
    November 13, 2014, 12:12 pm

    Hello Mr. Sheen,
    Is there any record of what G. Gysi said, how he “joined the public pile-on”? From your and M. Blumenthal’s tweets as well as from the video it appears he called both of you anti-Semites, but I can’t find any recording, transcript, public statement, citation or anything else about what exactly he said.
    A link or a citation would be highly appreciated.
    Thanks

  11. JLewisDickerson
    November 13, 2014, 1:24 pm

    RE: “[W]hat I will not do is agree to be a soft target for baseless accusations of anti-semitism by opportunistic politicians who court favor with the Israeli government and its supporters.” ~ David Sheen

    MY COMMENT: Opportunistic politician courting favor with the Israeli government and its supporters, I dub thee “Gunter the Terrible”!*

    * SEE: “Gunter the Terrible”, By Uri Avnery, The Palestine Chronicle, 4/13/12

    [EXCERPT] Stop me if I have told you this joke before:
    Somewhere in the US, a demonstration takes place. The police arrive and beat the protesters mercilessly.
    “Don’t hit me,” someone shouts, “I am an anti-communist!”
    “I couldn’t give a damn what kind of a communist you are!” a policeman answers as he raises his baton.
    The first time I told this joke was when a German group visited the Knesset and met with German-born members, including me.
    They went out of their way to praise Israel, lauding everything we had been doing, condemning every bit of criticism, however harmless it might be. It became downright embarrassing
    , since some of us in the Knesset were very critical of our government’s policy in the occupied territories.
    For me, this extreme kind of pro-Semitism is just disguised anti-Semitism. Both have a basic belief in common: that Jews – and therefore Israel – are something apart, not to be measured by the standards applied to everybody else. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to palestinechronicle.com

  12. just
    November 13, 2014, 1:27 pm

    {{{david sheen}}}

    you are an inspiration, a joy, and a sheer delight.

    you give me hope.

    • bintbiba
      November 13, 2014, 6:00 pm

      I agree , just! And doesn’t he have the most innocent, sweet smile?
      A man who carries himself with dignity and integrity. So brave!

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 8:20 pm

        I’ve been noticing this of late.

        All the people on the right side of this are people who just look like decent folks; people I’d be happy to invite over to my house or be seen in public with. People who disagree with us on this issue all seem to be, well, not to appear to be so nice. And I can’t help wondering why that is. Can you really see decency?

        If you haven’t seen it, there is this great scene in John Ford’s classic western, The Wagonmaster, where a group of outlaws comes into the camp of a Mormons being lead west by two hired cowpokes. Ford just focuses on the respective faces of the two groups as they size one another up, and you can see what is in their hearts by what is written on their faces. It’s quite a bit of film-making.

        I know life isn’t always like that. But still, looking around, I’m happy with the side that I’m on.

  13. bilal a
    November 13, 2014, 1:46 pm

    Terrible hypocrisy Blumenthal , unlike Ellis, has branded GA an anti-semite, and asked others to boycott any discussion with him, the same behavior of Gregor Gysi, If Aztmon is indeeed a hater of Jews we could understand this better with a discussion by his accusers with the accused, rather than a slander made in public without rebuttal:

    Real News
    Max Blumenthal: And one person–I think one of the leading anti-Semitic critics of Israel–you couldn’t even call him a critic of Israel. He’s an ex-Israeli who pretends to be an anti-Zionist but is actually just a pure anti-Semite and who believes that all of the problems of Israel flow not from colonialism but from Judaism, is Gilad Atzmon. And I signed a Jewish letter denouncing him and basically telling him to get lost. There’s been a Palestinian letter organized by Ali Abunimah and, you know, a who’s who of Palestine solidarity activists who say anti-Semitic freaks, get the hell away from us; we don’t want any part of you. And there have been other efforts to castigate people who have advanced anti-Semitic critiques of Israel and of Jews in general.

    link to therealnews.com

  14. MHughes976
    November 13, 2014, 2:03 pm

    Denunciation produces anger and anger hostility, sometimes even lethal. We can’t always keep the feelings we rouse within rational limits. So we can’t rule out the possibility that lethal attacks on Jewish people will result from denunciations of bad, extremely bad things done by people who, in fact, are Jewish. But if we say that because of this danger Jewish people are to be treated as if they were, or were in all but small things, impeccable, we face the opposite danger that some Jewish people, being told that for them there is no condemnation, will themselves endanger lives. And we destroy morality in the process.

    • Mooser
      November 13, 2014, 5:05 pm

      “the opposite danger that some Jewish people, being told that for them there is no condemnation, will themselves endanger lives.”

      Is that when everybody starts looking for paternal grandmothers and grandfathers?

    • RoHa
      November 13, 2014, 8:14 pm

      Right on the button, as usual, MHughes. Morality applies universally or not at all.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 12:46 pm

        But if being Jewish is a sort of get-out-of-jail-free card, everybody will want to be Jewish, or even worse, (no maybe better, it keeps options open) half-Jewish.

      • Horizontal
        November 14, 2014, 8:22 pm

        How about half drunk?

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 11:42 am

        Half-drunk and half-Jewish? I’m warning you, I will not tolerate invidious remarks directed at my family! They are opprobrious, which you could look up and tell me what it means. I just like the sound of it.

  15. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    November 13, 2014, 4:00 pm

    Hoppy seems to have gone rather quiet.

    It seems that when asked to back up his extremely serious claim – that Jews die because of ‘people like’ Blumenthal and Sheen – he ran away.

    A bit like the IDF when up against anything more formidable than a stone throwing kid.

    Run away.

    • MHughes976
      November 13, 2014, 6:27 pm

      In fact there have been high-profile attacks on individuals critical of Israel in the UK – George Galloway was quite seriously injured and a rabbi in Manchester whose car was dramatically torched.

      • hophmi
        November 14, 2014, 11:43 am

        “It seems that when asked to back up his extremely serious claim – that Jews die because of ‘people like’ Blumenthal and Sheen – he ran away. ”

        I didn’t run away. I don’t spend my entire day on this blog.

        Here is an article you can read. I’m sure you’ll find some excuse to dismiss it.

        link to theguardian.com

      • Annie Robbins
        November 14, 2014, 11:40 pm

        how is this related to “‘people like’ Blumenthal and Sheen”

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 11:39 am

        “I didn’t run away. I don’t spend my entire day on this blog.”

        Of course you don’t, Hophmi, you are a busy guy! There’s the future of the Jewish people, which is in your hands, and requires a lot of time, and there’s always yard-work that needs doing.

        Of course you can’t be here all the time! But it’s nice to know how much time you do spend here! And how much it means to you.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 16, 2014, 6:26 am

      Oh I dunno, Hoppy. You seem to spend quite a bit of time on this bog when you think you can play the ‘anti semitism’ card.

      Anyway, you DID run away from your very specific and very serious accusation about Sheen and Blumenthal, which you later tried to dilute to ‘people LIKE Sheen and Blumenthal’ – whatever that means. You still haven’t named one single person who died as a result of their actions. In other words, you made an extremely serious slander against two people and, unable to back it up, have done a runner.

      And if you seriously think a 3 month old article from the Guardian is going to cut it, you must be having a laugh.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 10:32 pm

        Now, now, let’s not go too far, here, Mr. Meridius. Sure, sure, Hophmi made a blood libel against Sheen, and ran away when he was pinioned to it. But let’s not go too far. Hophmi is a Zionist, and nothing which has happened in this thread should effect his credibility in judging, say, the intensity or quality of any Jew’s religious commitment, or explaining why a Jew is “self-hating”, or what particular psychological problems give rise to anti-Zionism or criticism of Israel’s intransigence. I mean, sure, maybe he’s not honest, but he’s always objective.

  16. seafoid
    November 13, 2014, 4:16 pm

    Protective Butchery threw up some dreadful dilemmas for Jews.

    Hoppy obviously had to go AWOL .

    Imagine the extreme emotional pain suffered by teenage Zionist girls at the height of the slaughter when their One Direction soft porn material, the ultra cute Zain Malik , revealed his treachery

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    “In July 2014, during the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, Malik tweeted the message “#FreePalestine” to his 13 million Twitter followers, reportedly provoking anger from One Direction fans in Israel.”

    Imagine the shock, holed up in your bedroom in Holon or Herzliya, rebelling against your stupid parents and being stabbed in the back by your heart-throb, who had the gall to side with the Untermenschen

    • Mooser
      November 15, 2014, 6:11 pm

      “Hoppy obviously had to go AWOL .”

      No, Seafoid, he was busy! There’s a lot to do. The grass won’t mow itself, you know.

  17. German Lefty
    November 13, 2014, 5:57 pm

    One of Max Blumenthal’s talks in Germany:
    link to m.youtube.com
    link to m.youtube.com
    Further videos are available on the same channel.

  18. German Lefty
    November 13, 2014, 6:54 pm

    “It is contemptible that any person, let alone a German, would baselessly slander a critic of Israel as spreading anti-semitism, especially when that person is Jewish or even Israeli.”

    I really have a problem with this statement. Why are you singling out Germans, Jews, and Israelis? You are using the same silencing tactic as the Zionists do, i.e. a German must never ever disagree with a Jew (because of the Holocaust). Zionists regularly claim that non-Israelis don’t understand the special threat that Israel faces and that therefore non-Israelis need to shut up.
    Of course, what Gysi did was wrong. However, it wasn’t wrong because he’s a German and you are an Israeli Jew. Your respective nationality has nothing to do with that. So, there’s no reason for emphasising it. Anti-Zionists believe in equal rights and equal treatment. This means: Being slandered by a German should not be regarded as more terrible than being slandered by a non-German. Slandering a Jew or an Israeli should not be regarded as more terrible than slandering a non-Jew or a non-Israeli.

    • jd65
      November 19, 2014, 2:03 pm

      Hey German Lefty,

      I understand the point you’re trying to make (and I agree w/ the sentiment), but I think you’re overstating it. I don’t think that Sheen is saying “a German must never disagree with a Jew,” as you write. In fact, the very first line of the pull-quote you chose from Sheen says quite plainly “any person.” Not only Germans. And, of course, Gysi didn’t merely “disagree” w/ Sheen. He sided w/ people who publicly smeared him as an anti-Semite and, from a position of power, played a large role in canceling a planned speaking event – inhibiting his right to freedom of speech. Quite a far cry from simply disagreeing…

      Sheen points out (I purposely use the term “point out” instead of “singling out”) the players in this event as German, Jewish, Israeli, etc… because they (along w/ the Americans) are the main players in the conflict. All four of these groups play different roles in the conflict; too varied to go into in a little internet posting. I’d bet Sheen doesn’t believe that it’s “worse” for a German, as opposed a Peruvian, to slander him. Just that it carries w/ it a certain irony in this case. Or maybe that these four groups (Jews, Germans, Israelis, Americans…) have a certain responsibility regarding their prominent roles in the conflict.

      Anyway, I of course agree with you that any person has the right to disagree w/ Sheen’s ideas, conclusions, etc… But don’t agree that it should be forbidden to point out the fact of a participant in the conflict being German, Jewish, etc… As long as you’re not pointing these things out as a means to simply shutting them up; which I don’t think Sheen was doing here.

      Also, thanks for linking to those other Blumenthal videos above. Tremendous. He’s a hero in my mind. A human hero. And a Jewish hero. And an American hero. I’ve made a little video detailing some of my thoughts on this “Toiletgate” event. Interested in your thoughts as well:

      link to youtu.be

      • German Lefty
        November 20, 2014, 4:35 pm

        Hi jd65!
        I like your video and I tweeted about it. The documentary that you mention at the end sounds very interesting, too.
        Regarding the David Sheen quote, we will have to agree to disagree. The words “let alone” and “especially” sound like singling out to me.
        In her latest article, German-Jewish anti-Zionist Evelyn Hecht-Galinski sides with Sheen and Blumenthal and complains that “non-Jews want to explain to [her] what anti-Semitism is”. Such a way of thinking really upsets me. I mean, she is a smart woman. Therefore, it should be easy for her to factually explain the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism without playing the Jew card. Instead, her argumentation is something like this: “German politicians and journalists are non-Jews. That’s why their definition of anti-Semitism is incorrect. I am a Jew. That’s why my definition of anti-Semitism is correct.” Zionist Jews argue along the same lines whenever I explain to them that anti-Zionism is NOT anti-Semitic. They respond that I, as a non-Jew, have no right to tell them what anti-Semitism is. So, what many anti-Zionist Jews have in common with Zionist Jews is that both groups claim that Jews have a monopoly on defining anti-Semitism. I think that it harms the credibility of anti-Zionists when anti-Zionist Jews use the same silencing tactics that we complain about when they are employed by Zionists. Anti-Zionists shouldn’t resort to the same cheap tactics as Zionists do. We are better than that.

      • jd65
        November 20, 2014, 11:22 pm

        Thanks for responding Lefty. Glad you thought my little vid about the issue was worthwhile. And since it’s not my goal to create these little things in a vacuum, I really appreciate you having “tweeted about it.” Thanks.

        Yeah, agree to disagree on Sheen’s intent/meaning is fine. When I get a chance to interview him I’ll grill him on the issue of “Germans not being able to disagree w/ Jews” for ya :)

        I found the latest article by Evelyn Hecht-Galinski you mentioned. Unfortunately, I don’t speak/read German and the “Google Translation” of the page was basically crap. So I can’t discuss that one. This argument you say she makes: “German politicians and journalists are non-Jews. That’s why their definition of anti-Semitism is incorrect. I am a Jew. That’s why my definition of anti-Semitism is correct.” It’s obviously ridiculous. And, if she’s a smart woman, as you yourself say she is, it’s hard to believe she’d have written such blunt nonsense. But I’ll have to take your word for it…

        Next time any Jew, Zionist or not, tells you he/she has the right to define anti-Semitism and you don’t because they’re Jewish and you’re not, simply ask them to to give you their own quick definition of it. Dollars to donuts you get a deer in the headlights look for ’bout 5 seconds, then a request to change the subject…

  19. Nurit Baytch
    November 13, 2014, 6:57 pm

    I documented David Sheen’s promotion of anti-Semitism in this series of tweets:
    link to twitter.com

    • German Lefty
      November 14, 2014, 12:31 pm

      Nurit, it’s terrible enough that you stalk me on Twitter. Now, you are here on Mondoweiss. Please shut up and leave us alone. We aren’t buying your hasbara anyway.

    • Mooser
      November 14, 2014, 1:09 pm

      “I documented David Sheen’s promotion of anti-Semitism in this series of tweets:”

      But Nurit, my friend, when I press the link, it goes to your Twitter account, not David Sheen’s. Did you perhaps make a mistake with your link?

      All you "documented" was your own ridiculous and tendentious opinions.

  20. RoHa
    November 13, 2014, 8:09 pm

    This David Sheen is a Jew, so it’s a jolly good thing he lives in Israel. That is the only place in the whole wide world where a Jew can live freely, be treated with respect and civility, and be safe from threats, abuse, physical attack, or other forms of persecution.

    • German Lefty
      November 14, 2014, 12:33 pm

      RoHa, just a quick inquiry: What did you smoke?

    • Mooser
      November 14, 2014, 12:49 pm

      “That is the only place in the whole wide world where a Jew can live freely, be treated with respect and civility, and be safe from threats, abuse, physical attack, or other forms of persecution.”

      It’s the tribal unity! There’s nothing like tribal unity to overcome cultural, political and religious differences! And they got it and to spare in Israel!

    • eljay
      November 14, 2014, 12:58 pm

      >> RoHa: This David Sheen is a Jew, so it’s a jolly good thing he lives in Israel. That is the only place in the whole wide world where a Jew can live freely, be treated with respect and civility, and be safe from threats, abuse, physical attack, or other forms of persecution.

      I think that applies only to “real” Jews, and not to self-loathing and/or anti-Semitic Jews.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 4:22 pm

        “I think that applies only to “real” Jews, and not to self-loathing and/or anti-Semitic Jews.”

        Wow, all those Mizrahi Jews, besides being Arab, are anti-Semitic, too? No wonder they are discriminated against in Israel. No tribal unity for them!

      • eljay
        November 14, 2014, 6:17 pm

        >> Mooser: Wow, all those Mizrahi Jews, besides being Arab, are anti-Semitic, too?

        Must be. If they weren’t anti-Semitic, they wouldn’t be Arab and they would love their children more than they hate themsel…errr…Jews.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 6:23 pm

        “Must be. If they weren’t anti-Semitic, they wouldn’t be Arab

        It’s too bad, but they’ve got to take responsibility for their poor choices.

  21. piotr
    November 13, 2014, 8:43 pm

    I think it is a bit more complicated, and a bit weird.

    Die Linke, the party of Georg Gysi, as actually leftist, and Israeli right wing trolls of 972 Magazine occanally call the writers there as “paid stooges of Greens”, because the foundation of German Greens gave few thousand Euros subsidy to that on-line magazine, and their political profile is pretty close to Blumenthal and Mondoweiss (there are many writers and the spectrum of their views is wider). On foreign policy, Die Linke tends to be “anti-imperialist”, e.g. anti-NATO and against the support of the current Ukrainian government. Opposition to the right wing policies of Israel would fit that profile, and it is doubtful that the party depends much on money from Israelophilic donors. However, Die Linke has a number of fractions, some could not care less about cooperating with bourgeois politicians and some want to participate in “left-of-center” coalitions. You can guess where Gysi is in that spectrum.

    The hosts of Blumenthal and Sheen are members of Die Linke who were passengers of Mavi Marmara and witnesses of the IDF assault. As their party did not condemn them for being arrested etc. by IDF, it became Exhibit One in the book chapter of “Global Antisemitism: A Crisis of Modernity” which is devoted to Die Linke (result of Google search, one can long excerpt in Google books.

    To summarize, Die Linke is a linchpin of the global conspiracy of Leftists and Islamists who plot to eradicate Israel and impose a combination of Sharia and soclalized medicine on the humanity (well, Die Linke, being radicals, go as far as advocating free child care), according to the Zionist narrative, so Gysi seems to be a traitor within that plot.

  22. rensanceman
    November 14, 2014, 1:32 am

    I am currently on a boat cruise through Germany and for our morning news Dailey briefing, the lead story was the event described above. As I ate my croissant hearing the news on the intercom, the grin on my face almost prevented proper mastication of said croissant.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 14, 2014, 4:22 am

      ;) thank you for the update rensanceman. much appreciated!

    • just
      November 14, 2014, 8:01 am

      thank goodness it wasn’t a bagel, rensanceman. less mastication is required for a croissant!

      thanks for the giggle~ hopefully more sane people are becoming educated by David and Max.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 11:24 am

        “thank goodness it wasn’t a bagel, rensanceman. less mastication is required for a croissant!”

        This is very true. Takes good dentition to eat a bagel.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 12:30 pm

        “This is very true. Takes good dentition to eat a bagel”

        Not all bagels are like rubbery NYC bagels, Mooser, some are actually soft and tasty.

      • just
        November 14, 2014, 12:47 pm

        not one bagel that I have had tasted as wonderful as naan or pita or another bread baked by my grandmothers.

        (except one that I had once with sesame and other seeds & nuts,,,,,,,,,,)

      • just
        November 14, 2014, 1:03 pm

        could someone please restore the edit function soon?

        pretty please?

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 1:11 pm

        “could someone please restore the edit function soon?”

        I’d like somebody to restore my dentition.

      • just
        November 14, 2014, 1:15 pm

        me too, Mooser, me too.

        you are such a joy.

      • piotr
        November 19, 2014, 1:05 am

        People who can consume 16 ounce rare steaks should not complain about baking products that are a tad harder than “sliced bread”.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 1:16 pm

        “People who can consume 16 ounce rare steaks “

        I couldn’t do that, I don’t think, if my life depended on it. Maybe, at one time, long ago, but now life is pretty much a moveable fast.

  23. NickJOCW
    November 14, 2014, 5:06 am

    I may be wrong, but doesn’t he claim he is ‘potentially banned’? To me that means some perfectly understandable process has been, or may be, initiated to examine the circumstances surrounding these undignified events, and such a process might result in a banning from the premises. The unsavoury attacks the man and his family suffer in Israel are not the responsibility of the Bundestag and can be no justification for chasing a member of the German parliament into a Bundestag rest room while belabouring him in a foreign (English) language. I imagine such an event would result in an inquiry in any civilised country, particularly in a case where instead of apologising to those responsible for public order in the premises he publicises his version of the event on You Tube. I sympathise with his predicament but his was not an appropriate response. In fact. regrettably, it represents the kind of behaviour that might indeed stir latent anti-Semitism.

    • Ellen
      November 15, 2014, 7:52 am

      No matter what one may think of Sheen’s tactic or of the the Parliamentarian, Gysi — a former Stasi spitzl, with a silver tongue and very expensive suit — Sheen did really nothing to help the dialogue and his cause.

      Not only did it give the German press red meat to paint sheen and Blumental as unhinged, it put their hosts from the Linke party in the position of making a public apology for Sheen’s behavior. Not good.

      Blumental had so much to say and his work is solid. This action did nothing to hurt Gysi and the tactics of silencing, but even helped him as it damaged the real message of Sheen and Blumental trip to Berlin.

  24. Bornajoo
    November 14, 2014, 6:44 am

    David Sheen is an extremely brave man and I very much hope he remains safe.

    err…now let’s examine my statement. “is an extremely brave man..” Yes that’s right, you have to be brave and courageous to speak out against human rights abuses, war crimes and for the dignity of others in modern day Israel

    “I hope he remains safe”. Yes that’s right. David and people like him are in danger of being physically attacked for the right to freedom of speech. I saw a documentary about Gideon Levy and how he was viciously verbally assaulted just walking along the beach near where he lives in Tel Aviv. Really scary. And for what? Trying to speak the truth, trying to stand up for the rights of others? Incredible

    All hail the light unto other nations and the only so-called democracy in the ME. This is Israel, the “Jewish State”. NOT in my name please

    This is how things stand now and let’s see just how far down the slippery slope it goes from here

    • Walid
      November 14, 2014, 10:09 am

      “err…now let’s examine my statement. “is an extremely brave man..” Yes that’s right, you have to be brave and courageous to speak out against human rights abuses, war crimes and for the dignity of others in modern day Israel “.

      Bornajoo, this is somewhat of a contraction. If he is so brave, why is he so afraid for his life? He keeps throwing stones on the evil Zios, then is pleading left and right for them to spare him from violence. A little too much paranoia going on there. In contrast, Blumenthal is going on on his mission without any brouhaha about his life being at risk.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 10:12 am

        *contradiction

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 14, 2014, 10:27 am

        Isn’t Sheen an Israeli citizen who lives in Israel, whereas Max is an American citizen who lives in the USA?

        That might make a difference.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 12:39 pm

        “Isn’t Sheen an Israeli citizen who lives in Israel, whereas Max is an American citizen who lives in the USA? ”

        Maximus, are there less crazies running around the US, and didn’t the really dangerous ones in Israel coming out of Brooklyn? Sheen is probably safer in Israel than Max is in the US. I see Max educating Jews while Sheen is baiting the crazy Zios.

      • Bornajoo
        November 14, 2014, 3:20 pm

        @Walid
        I disagree on this one. I really do think he’s brave. That’s because I also believe that his life is in much more danger living in Israel with his wife and kids, than Max Blumenthal is living in the USA. I’m pretty sure that Max would agree with that statement. I’m not sure if you read Max Blumenthal’s “Goliath” but bumping into David Sheen was crucial in getting MB into interviews, situations and sources of information that make up large parts of the book. Furthermore right wing thugs in Israel, just like the IDF and police, appear to act with impunity and appear to get away with …well…. murder. We see this every day. At least in the USA it’s just not that easy for a bunch of right wing Jewish nutjobs to attack and beat someone on the street because one would assume that the protectors of law would not simply look away or do very little to discourage that kind of behaviour.

        Anyway he’s a lot braver than me!

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 3:54 pm

        “Anyway he’s a lot braver than me!”

        Bornajoo, I have no doubt whatever about his courage, what I’m putting in doubt are his theatrics about his life and that of his family being at risk. If it’s as serious as he is claiming, why doesn’t he simply throttle back instead of inflaming the Zio nutjobs even more. Someone here on this thread or on another made reference to Ayaan Hirsi Ali having made a career of claims that Muslims were after her. I feel Sheen is on a similar tangent.

      • Ellen
        November 15, 2014, 8:08 am

        Well said, Walid. Sheen confused the message by making theatre about himself. The very worst thing a journalist can do.

        In fact there was no or little regard for the position of his hosts. He will leave Germany, but they are left there to apologize for the behavior of their guests. Gysi is their man in Parliament. The ladies who invited Sheen are now toast.

        But most important, the important message delivered to Parliament is over shadowed by unnecessary theatrics.

      • Horizontal
        November 15, 2014, 9:36 am

        So no responsibility on Gysi for making accusations against Sheen and then refusing to answer questions about them?

        Did Sheen chase Gysi into a bathroom closet, or did Gysi lead him there? I believe it was the latter. When someone sits in a position of power, that also comes with responsibility, which is, the ability to respond., or better, the obligation to.

      • Ellen
        November 15, 2014, 11:10 am

        @horizontal. Of course Gysi should have been confronted, and Gysi should have been put in the position to give MB and Sheen the apology they both deserved.

        Sheen’s manner of confronting Gysi helped nothing and Gysi was the one who wound up receiving an apology. In other words, the theatrics backfired.

      • Bornajoo
        November 17, 2014, 6:14 am

        @Walid
        Looking at the fallout of the Sheen incident, now dubbed as “toiletgate” and seized on by the pro-zionist press, I have to admit that this was a mistake on the part of David Sheen (regardless of how brave he is)
        If we ask ourselves the question; How has this advanced the plight and human rights of the Palestinians? Has it helped or has it had a negative effect? I think in this case I have to say negative.
        (PS – on another post you posted a link about how the zionists assisted in expelling the Jews in Iraq but the link didn’t show up. Would you mind resending that link as I’m very interested to read it, thanks)

      • Walid
        November 17, 2014, 9:38 am

        “Would you mind resending that link as I’m very interested to read it, thanks” (Bornajoo)

        Bornajoo, there are lots of testimonials on the Internet and all presented by prominent Iraqi Jews, with one moving story by the Israeli-Iraqi novelist, Samir Naqqash, who reluctantly left Iraq at age 13 talking about his trip to the airport and of how much he missed his Iraq; he died in 2004 . The video you asked for was :

        link to youtube.com

        You would be very interested in reading Ella Shohat describe what it’s like being an Iraqi Arab Jew; a small excerpt:

        “… As an Arab Jew, I am often obliged to explain the “mysteries” of this oxymoronic entity. That we have spoken Arabic, not Yiddish; that for millennia our cultural creativity, secular and religious, had been largely articulated in Arabic (Maimonides being one of the few intellectuals to “make it” into the consciousness of the West); and that even the most religious of our communities in the Middle East and North Africa never expressed themselves in Yiddish-accented Hebrew prayers, nor did they practice liturgical-gestural norms and sartorial codes favoring the dark colors of centuries-ago Poland. Middle Eastern women similarly never wore wigs; their hair covers, if worn, consisted of different variations on regional clothing (and in the wake of British and French imperialism, many wore Western-style clothes). If you go to our synagogues, even in New York, Montreal, Paris or London, you’ll be amazed to hear the winding quarter tones of our music which the uninitiated might imagine to be coming from a mosque.

        … Stripped of our history, we have been forced by our no-exit situation to repress our collective nostalgia, at least within the public sphere. The pervasive notion of “one people” reunited in their ancient homeland actively disauthorizes any affectionate memory of life before Israel. We have never been allowed to mourn a trauma that the images of Iraq’s destruction only intensified and crystallized for some of us.”

        link to bintjbeil.com

        Another great of Iraqi Jewish roots is Yehuda Shenhav that has written extensively on the plight of Iraqi and other oriental Jews on their arrival in Israel; a short sample:

        “… Any reasonable person, Zionist or non-Zionist, must acknowledge that the analogy drawn between Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews is unfounded. Palestinian refugees did not want to leave Palestine. Many Palestinian communities were destroyed in 1948, and some 700,000 Palestinians were expelled, or fled, from the borders of historic Palestine. Those who left did not do so of their own volition.

        In contrast, Jews from Arab lands came to this country under the initiative of the State of Israel and Jewish organizations. Some came of their own free will; others arrived against their will. Some lived comfortably and securely in Arab lands; others suffered from fear and oppression.

        link to haaretz.com

        Another Iraqi Jew Naiem Giladi wrote that the 1941 Farhud rampage was most probably committed by British Gurkha troops. He also wrote about the Zionist plot in collusion with Iraqi officials to transfer all of Iraq’s Jews to Israel and of Zionists bombing the Jewish quarter to make the Jews flee:

        “… About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs. But my mother and father were among the 6,000 who did not go to Israel. Although physically I never did return to Iraq-that bridge had been burned in any event-my heart has made the journey there many, many times…

        … After 750,000 Palestinians were uprooted and their lands confiscated in 1948-49, Ben Gurion had to look to the Islamic countries for Jews who could fill the resultant cheap labor market. “Emissaries” were smuggled into these countries to “convince” Jews to leave either by trickery or fear.

        In the case of Iraq, both methods were used: uneducated Jews were told of a Messianic Israel in which the blind see, the lame walk, and onions grow as big as melons; educated Jews had bombs thrown at them.

        A few years after the bombings, in the early 1950s, a book was published in Iraq, in Arabic, titled Venom of the Zionist Viper. The author was one of the Iraqi investigators of the 1950-51 bombings and, in his book, he implicates the Israelis, specifically one of the emissaries sent by Israel, Mordechai Ben-Porat. As soon as the book came out, all copies just disappeared, even from libraries. The word was that agents of the Israeli Mossad, working through the U.S. Embassy, bought up all the books and destroyed them. I tried on three different occasions to have one sent to me in Israel, but each time Israeli censors in the post office intercepted it.

        … Soon after, Zionist and Iraqi representatives began formulating a rough draft of the bill, according to the model dictated by Israel through its agents in Baghdad. The bill was passed by the Iraqi parliament in March 1950. It empowered the government to issue one-time exit visas to Jews wishing to leave the country. In March, the bombings began.

        Sixteen years later, the Israeli magazine Haolam Hazeh, published by Uri Avnery, then a Knesset member, accused Ben-Porat of the Baghdad bombings. Ben-Porat, who would become a Knesset member himself, denied the charge, but never sued the magazine for libel. And Iraqi Jews in Israel still call him Morad Abu al-Knabel, Mordechai of the Bombs.”

        link to bintjbeil.com

      • Bornajoo
        November 17, 2014, 10:02 am

        Thank you Walid! I’m looking forward to reading through all this material
        In a couple of weeks I am meeting some iraqi Jews that only left and came to London 10 years ago. They are old and were born in Iraq. It will be a very interesting meeting. Many thanks again

      • Walid
        November 17, 2014, 2:10 pm

        Bornajoo, when you start reading up on Iraq’s rich Jewish cultural heritage, I suggest you also get into its music. Before the Zionists came on the scene and spoiled it all, practically all of Iraq’s musicians and singers were Jewish. A couple of samples:

        link to youtube.com

        and

        link to youtube.com

      • Bornajoo
        November 17, 2014, 2:35 pm

        Hi Walid
        Thanks but once again your links are not showing up? CCan you try and resend?
        One of my mother’s favourite singer/actress was an Iraqi Jew called Layla Murad who made her name in Egypt in the 50’s. In fact she was once named as Egypt’s National Singer and it was well known that she was Jewish.

      • Walid
        November 17, 2014, 5:16 pm

        Bornajoo, try googling youtube: Yosef Yaakov Shem Tov – Kul ma adawi bik ya galbi

        Hope it works.

      • Bornajoo
        November 17, 2014, 5:26 pm

        Thanks Walid
        Works perfectly! Sounds great and similar to the other “tarab” music my mother listens to. I’m curious to see if my mother knows about him. I’ll check and let you know!

    • bintbiba
      November 14, 2014, 10:17 am

      Bornajoo…. ditto and maxi ditto !!

      Gideon Levy … another giant of a hero .

      • bintbiba
        November 14, 2014, 10:24 am

        Walid … Being brave doesn’t mean being fearless ; conquering your fears ,rather. I notice how serene Max looks through the whole ‘brouhaha’. Different characters and natures reflecting situations of stress and frustration.
        David Sheen has family in Israel which raises the heat, I suppose.

      • American
        November 14, 2014, 4:23 pm

        @ Walid

        Why should he have to throttle back from telling the truth to avoid being attacked or killed on a street on Israel?

        I don’t think his fears are overblown….considering he does live in Israel where Israeli fanatics run wild unhampered by the police.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 10:22 pm

        “Why should he have to throttle back from telling the truth to avoid being attacked or killed on a street on Israel? ”

        American, from a Zionist point of view, is he any less outrageous than Gideon Levy, Amira Hass, Uri Avnery, and the group over at +972? These are all Israelis, living in Israel and writing about the horrors of Zionism but none are going on and on about their lives being threatened or are chasing after accusers into washrooms with camera in hand. I’m all for Israelis writing to expose what Zionists are doing, but if he can’t take the heat because of it, he should stop doing it. I don’t think he could more hated than Gideon Levy.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 11:40 pm

        “David Sheen has family in Israel which raises the heat, I suppose. ”

        Yes, Bintbiba, but aren’t other anti-Zionist writers experiencing the same fears?

  25. CigarGod
    November 14, 2014, 9:09 am

    Well done.

  26. just
    November 14, 2014, 1:34 pm

    NickJOCW and Walid~ i am more than a little confused by your most recent comments.

    • Walid
      November 14, 2014, 3:07 pm

      Just, I’m 100% on his side but I can’t help think that there’s a bit of show business in his pleadings to be allowed to live safely among the Zios. The Zionists are forever using existential fear to spook the masses into sympathizing with them and here I feel Sheen is doing the same thing with his pleading and going after the creep into the washroom. I get annoyed whenever I feel someone is trying to play on my emotions, even if that someone is from my side of the fence.

    • NickJOCW
      November 14, 2014, 3:40 pm

      just, The Bundestag building belongs to the German people; it is a national symbol of their democracy, a place to be respected, not a place for this kind of behaviour, which has the potential to reflect badly, and not perhaps only on him. C’est tout.

      • lysias
        November 14, 2014, 3:49 pm

        The inscription “DEM DEUTSCHEN VOLKE” (“to the German people”) was put on the facade of the Reichstag building in 1916, against the wishes of Kaiser Wilhelm II. It was a symptom of rising popular discontent with the government’s war policies.

        The inscription is still very visible on the facade of the rebuilt Bundestag building.

  27. just
    November 14, 2014, 3:46 pm

    You’re both buying into their shtick and hasbara.

    (and I do care about your opinions and you)

    • Walid
      November 14, 2014, 4:17 pm

      Au contraire, Just, I don’t buy into Zionist hasbara, but this doesn’t mean I have to accept it from another party. I’m somewhat faulting him for getting into it himself. He claims to be (with Max) the only journalists in the world outside of Israel to be reporting on the IP conflict; he made chopped liver of Phil’s effort as a journalist that’s been practically not writing anything other than IP related issues.

  28. Newclench
    November 14, 2014, 6:15 pm

    Once a leader of one of the most left, most pro-Palestinian political entities in Europe is stalked and harassed in this way, you have to wonder just how nutty the whole scene actually is.
    MB and Sheen are certainly journalists with a lot of expertise. At the same time, Gideon Levy and Amira Hass don’t find themselves in this kind of situation, corning an old man in a bathroom!
    This is because they are more professional and politically savvy.
    Everyone has something to learn.
    I can’t think of a parliament in the world where this kind of stalking would be tolerated. Imagine the outrage, if some right wing doofus followed Haneen Zuabi into the restroom!

    • Justpassingby
      November 15, 2014, 1:21 pm

      Newsclench

      Really? So how would you react if someone put you in a position that might get you killed?
      You can type down your name here and we can spread all kind of lies about you. You would like that?

      • Newclench
        November 15, 2014, 10:00 pm

        I’m not sure what I would do. But I know what I wouldn’t: confront a leader of the the German Left Party in a Parliamentary bathroom. Or even someone from another party.
        Just to be clear, I don’t think MB or DS deserve to be threatened. But this ‘in person hassling’ of an aging commie…. keerist. That’s a pretty deep end of the diving pool!
        How about folks pick on actual supporters of the Israeli occupation? Far away from toilets?

        And Mooser, the comparison was over picking fights with politicians in the bathroom, not with having to hire bodyguards. The might all be brave, targeted heroes, but some heroes stay out of bathroom fights. Because they have more dignity.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 10:34 am

        “Bathroom fights”? There were punches thrown? Screaming and scuffling? Somebody had to pull Sheen off Gysi?

        Do you really want to talk about “fights” and criticism of Israel? No you don’t.
        And Holey Moley, you want to talk about Israel policy and “dignity”? Sure, Newclench. Defend the “dignity” of Zionism, and the standards anyone who has the temerity to criticize it must adhere to!

    • Mooser
      November 15, 2014, 6:34 pm

      “At the same time, Gideon Levy…”

      Has to employ bodyguards. I believe Haas has the same problem.

    • Mooser
      November 15, 2014, 6:37 pm

      “Everyone has something to learn.”

      Maybe David Sheen has learned something about how Zionism treats its enemies? Unless you can explain to me why David Sheen knows he will be treated unlike anybody else?

    • Justpassingby
      November 17, 2014, 10:57 am

      Newclench

      Well he refused to apologize for the heinous lies about Sheen thats why Sheen confronted him the way he did.

      If a rapist run away from a group of people and hide in a bathroom, you would nicely wait outside?

  29. Brewer
    November 14, 2014, 7:05 pm

    From the article:
    “These baseless accusations are not only defamatory, but also amount to a real physical threat to myself, as I live in Israel, where dissidents are branded as “destroyers of Israel” and are often subject to rape threats and violent physical attacks”

    One imagines they are likewise for Gilad Atzmon:

    “And one person–I think one of the leading anti-Semitic critics of Israel–you couldn’t even call him a critic of Israel. He’s an ex-Israeli who pretends to be an anti-Zionist but is actually just a pure anti-Semite and who believes that all of the problems of Israel flow not from colonialism but from Judaism, is Gilad Atzmon.”

    – Max Blumenthal
    link to therealnews.com

    I suggest that, if David Sheen truly fears for his safety thanks to the anti-Semite smear then he should take Max to the woodshed for, whatever Atzmon has said, the consequences of being so labelled are somewhat excessive for speech or thought crime.
    As it happens, I don’t think Max has understood Atzmon who argues from a rather arcane, philosophical point of view. It took me quite a while to understand that he is coming from an intellectual position belied by his somewhat rudimentary oratory.

    As I have previously argued, the whole anti-Semite thing is redundant nonsense – a construct designed to foster the notion that racism against Jews is somehow more abhorrent than that against others. This is a form of racism in itself for it implies that, though the act may be identical, the race of the victim dictates the severity of the crime. It is used to legitimize what is absolute nonsense – that the accused’s argument invalid because of what he/she purportedly is.

    • Mooser
      November 15, 2014, 6:44 pm

      “And one person–I think one of the leading anti-Semitic critics of Israel–you couldn’t even call him a critic of Israel. He’s an ex-Israeli who pretends to be an anti-Zionist but is actually just a pure anti-Semite and who believes that all of the problems of Israel flow not from colonialism but from Judaism, is Gilad Atzmon.”

      Okay, but he should have stopped there, really should have, cause the next sentence is:

      “And I signed a Jewish letter denouncing him and basically telling him to get lost.”

    • Annie Robbins
      November 16, 2014, 8:06 pm

      hi brewer (and everyone), as i mentioned to bilal recently on another thread, and have expressed at other times, i am not a fan of atzmon discussions because we’ve hosted them before and a) they never end and b) since he’s too lazy (or perhaps too busy) to moderate comments on his own blog and has chosen not to open his own comment section to free and unmoderated discussion it makes very little logical sense i should be doing it for him. you all might have better luck with a different moderator but they have not been around much lately.

      i am only mentioning that in case you’re wondering why this conversation will not be extended, for all of you hoping to extend it. we’ve posted this video/topic (juxtaposition) twice now on this thread alone and on another thread (iow we have not censored it) but any extended conversation about it i’d suggest you appeal to atzmon to open up a comment section on his blog to discuss the topic further. sorry!

      if you have further questions or appeals or object to my personal decision (re hosting extended atzmon discussions, this is not a site position or policy) please write adam and phil.

      • Brewer
        November 17, 2014, 12:28 am

        Its no biggie Annie. I wasn’t aware of the controversy as I have been offline for most of the last two years. The point of my post is contained in the last paragraph in any case and, having made it, I am content.

  30. Bandolero
    November 16, 2014, 5:18 pm

    Felicia Langer, who was awarded a “Federal Cross of Merit” by Germany in 2009, pinned an article in strong solidarity with Max & David, calling out the shame of Gregor Gysi & Petra Pau:

    ’’Blessed are the Peacemakers“

    link to palaestina-portal.eu

    (As far as I know, it’s in German language only, so far, but might well worth a translation into English)

    • Ellen
      November 23, 2014, 4:29 am

      Yes it is worthy and very touching.

      She concludes this piece with the story of how she was invited to speak at Harvard in 1976, and before she had a chance to even express the themes of her talk, the Zionists “Pro Israeli” groups shouted her down and called in the police to end the event. This was, of course, painful. And she, too, was invited as a Jewish speaker.

      Then a young lady who was there did a sketch of her and gave it to her as a gift and dedicated it to her with the words, “blessed are the peacemakers.”

  31. 666
    November 24, 2014, 3:30 am

    max the ax just got done in …..by a fake left wing israeli…..by association of course.

    one thing though this might stop the drain to berlin

    lol (league of liars) strikes again

  32. Bandolero
    November 24, 2014, 2:10 pm

    Btw: In the Left party – the party who invited Max & David – their was a campaign organized to demand “consequences” (excluding from the party or the left parlament faction) against those Left party parlamentarians who invited Max & David, and against two more Left parlamentarians who were also present at the meeting with Max & David and spoke there. The petition is initially signed by the manager of the Left party in Germany, about a dozen members of federal parliment of the Left party and several dozens more Left parlamentarians from reginal parlaments and so on. Gysi is not among the undersigned. It is these guys who I cited in a comment above as being called the “Mossad faction” in the left party.

    ihrsprechtnichtfueruns.de

    However, the regional party leaders from Bundesland Nordrhein-Westfalen, where those who invited May & David are members, seem to back those who invited Max & David, so a formal motion against them is likely defeated.

    link to internetz-zeitung.eu

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