#JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine

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Detroit Lions running back Reggie Bush posted a photo of Palestinian photo-journalist Hamde Abu Rahma on his Instagram page 2 days ago. Abu Rahma held a sign reading “The Palestinian people know what mean to be shot while unarmed because of your ethnicity #Ferguson #Justice.”

Reggie Bush wrote:

No matter who you are, what color skin you have, where you live, we are all in this together! this isn’t a Ferguson problem it’s a Global Problem! We need change NOW! What happened to humanity? #JusticeForMikeBrown

TMZ picked it up and it’s going viral with a screaming headline REGGIE BUSH COMPARES MIKE BROWN TO PALESTINIANS:

Reggie Bush just compared Ferguson to Israel — suggesting Israelis are shooting unarmed Palestinians … the same way Officer Darren Wilson shot Mike Brown.

Predictably Abe Foxman issued a press release telling Bush he should “stick to football” among other things. Guess who saw that coming:

Foxman makes the argument this has nothing to do with ethnicity, ( wrong week for that Abe) and Bush has a “severe lack of understanding”. We don’t make this stuff up. This has all the makings of a train wreck, and just in time for Thanksgiving football too.

Abu Rahma, an activist from the village of Bi’lin, is no stranger to being shot up by Israeli forces. Here’s a short documentary about Abu Rahma, a beautiful man:

Maybe Foxman can explain to Reggie Bush why they shot Abu Rahma’s cousin, Bassam Abu Rahma, in cold blood. And his other cousin, Jawaher Abu Rahma died of asphyxiation by tear gas.

I don’t think Reggie Bush has any plans on backing down, instead, he’s doubling down.

Screenshot: NFL's Reggie Bush posts "Ferguson with love from Palestine" photo by Palestinian photo-journalist Hamde AbuRahma from Bil'in on Instagram

Screenshot: NFL’s Reggie Bush posts “Ferguson with love from Palestine” photo by Palestinian photo-journalist Hamde AbuRahma from Bil’in on Instagram

Someday, the tide will turn. When Martin said the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice, he meant justice for Mike Brown and justice for Palestinians and justice for every oppressed person.

If all goes as planned, Reggie Bush will play in tomorrow’s NFL Thanksgiving game, the Detroit Lions against the Chicago Bears. I know who I’ll be rooting for.

(H/t Ofer Neiman)

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  1. Boomer
    November 27, 2014, 7:27 am

    Thanks Annie. Sadly, this demonstrates multiple pathologies in American culture. At least we have made great progress on the racial issue although–as Ferguson demonstrates–we haven’t solved it entirely. Unfortunately, I don’t see much sign of progress with regard to our Zionist pathology.

    • Krauss
      November 27, 2014, 9:43 am

      ADL did serious and important work in its early decades of existance.

      Today it isn’t just an organization that isn’t about civil rights, it’s an organization that actively promotes Jewish supremacism abroad and maintains White supremacism at home. “This isn’t about racism”. Seriously.

      Blumenthal is correct when saying that many of these Zionist groups act as conduits of White supremacist ideas in our culture. This is a great example.

  2. OyVey00
    November 27, 2014, 7:35 am

    It’s been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull when he was shot. What would you expect Wilson to do in that situation? Let himself get beat to death?

    Brown’s death was his own fault. Justice has been served by the jury who found no fault in the officer’s conduct. What Brown’s supporters want is not “justice” based on a fair trial, but lynch law. Wilson is supposed to be guilty simply because he is white and the person he shot was black, no matter the facts.

    As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process.

    So please, save your moral outrage for actual injustices. You’re just making yourself (and the Palestinians) look ridiculous.

    • just
      November 27, 2014, 8:42 am

      “Brown’s death was his own fault.”

      Well, you certainly have ‘distinguished’ yourself!

      • Daniel Rich
        November 27, 2014, 11:38 pm

        @ just,

        It would be ludicrous of me to expect that you understand/know who or what I’m about. Perhaps you’ve gotten some idea based upon my comments, but that’s a guess at best. Nevertheless, I hope you know where I’m coming from.

        Every life cut short is a sad event. No matter where that happens, that’s almost a given.

        Having dated a gorgeous lady back in the day doesn’t make an expert one way or another. It has given me a little bit of insight as to how life is on the ‘other side’ or how people react when they see or have to interact with interracial couples/partners.

        In way too many cases life is tough and unjust [one look at the projects says it all], but in all honesty I can’t compare it with the open air concentration camps known to us as the Gaza strip and the Westbank, with their relentless bombing runs during Operation ‘This That & The Other Thing.’ The home demolitions, the arrests, the torture, the daily injustice, the checkpoints, the Wall, etc.

        So, I understand it when Palestinians feel sympathy for what’s going on in Ferguson, but that’s where the buck stops for me.

        The other day a 12-year-old boy was shot by two cops, because he was brandishing a gun [a pellet one, I believe]. So, either the police is trigger happy [shoot first and asks questions later] or racist to the core. I’ve seen a lot of fast cops lately, so shooting [tazer or real bullets] seems to be the first option on the menu and running, nah, gotta keep the aorta in one piece…

      • Daniel Rich
        November 28, 2014, 1:55 am

        fast cops = fat cops

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 2:37 pm

        Daniel– I was responding to OyVey…not you.

    • seafoid
      November 27, 2014, 8:42 am

      Why couldn’t they have tasered or shot him in the legs ?
      Why did he have to die ?

      How does Israel deal with Jews who act up? Does it shoot them in the head too? I don’t think so

      • OyVey00
        November 27, 2014, 8:26 pm

        Why couldn’t they have tasered or shot him in the legs ?
        Why did he have to die ?

        Wilson testified he shot him in the torso first, but Brown didn’t stop charging him. He only shot him in the head when he was almost at melee range.

        As for shooting in the leg, when someone charges at you from that range you don’t have time to aim properly. This is reality, not a hollywood movie.

        About a taser, I haven’t read anything about that. Maybe he didn’t have one or it’d have taken too long to get it out and use it since he had the gun in the hand.

        How does Israel deal with Jews who act up? Does it shoot them in the head too?

        How many Jews are there who try to beat up armed police officers?

      • seafoid
        November 28, 2014, 3:47 pm

        “We will not bend to your fear, we will not accept your pain, we are not going to keep playing that race card, because we know you don’t value my skin,”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQs7CWKHM9w

        Killer Mike but he could have been talking to Israeli Jews about their “motherfucking” attitude to Palestinians

        BTW I never knew he worked with EL-P

        whose song deep space 9mm encapsulates the state Israel is in today regarding its relationship with the outside world.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAeSXRmMGK4

        Try to buy the farm in Palestine but the land’s not yours…
        Why do things we find beautiful (like the innocence of Palestinian children) undermine Zionist power

      • seafoid
        November 28, 2014, 3:48 pm

        “How many Jews are there who try to beat up armed police officers? -”

        in the hilltop youth ?
        Far too many.

      • jayn0t
        December 1, 2014, 6:04 pm

        In Britain, someone like Michael Brown would be dealt with by unarmed police. If it is true that he had violently robbed a store, and was a big guy, but was unarmed, they’d sent four coppers after him, without guns. No-one would get killed.

        Whatever I say about ‘racism’ ( that there is NO evidence that Brown was a victim of it, and America is one of the least racist societies in history), I definitely think its justice system is barbaric.

    • seafoid
      November 27, 2014, 8:44 am

      “As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process. “-

      As a Jew I’d be ashamed to be associated with Israel.

      • just
        November 27, 2014, 8:54 am

        good point, seafoid.

    • eljay
      November 27, 2014, 9:08 am

      >> OyVey00: As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process.

      I agree.

      >> seafood: As a Jew I’d be ashamed to be associated with Israel.

      As a Jew, I’d be ashamed to be associated with a self-proclaimed and proudly religion-supremacist “Jewish State” that flouts international law and, for over 60 years, has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians.

    • Giles
      November 27, 2014, 10:05 am

      So Brown, having been shot already in the struggle at the car (as proved by the blood evidence), runs from the armed cop who pursues him. He does not stop and put his arms up as several witnesses testified, but instead decided to stop fleeing and turn around and charge the officer. Apparently so angry he put his arms up in the air such that several bullets struck him on the inside of his arms. So yes, it has definitely been “proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull”. I like the way you worked in the Brown is an animal meme by calling him a bull.

      Somehow I suspect you are on the side of Israel. I would hate to think someone like you could possibly be enlightened enough to support the oppressed Palestinians

      • just
        November 27, 2014, 10:16 am

        +1, Giles.

      • OyVey00
        November 27, 2014, 8:37 pm

        He does not stop and put his arms up as several witnesses testified,

        He did not put his arms up. The guy who claimed Brown got his hands up and triggered this silly “hands up don’t shoot” meme is the same one who also claimed that Wilson shot him in the back of the head. Or – in other words – he’s a liar.

        Most witnesses testified that Brown either didn’t raise his arms at all or just briefly for a second before charging Wilson.

        Also, the notion that someone would put their arms up to signal surrender and at the same time start charging at them with full speed, is beyond ridiculous.

        Somehow I suspect you are on the side of Israel. I would hate to think someone like you could possibly be enlightened enough to support the oppressed Palestinians

        Maybe I’m just enlightened enough to distinguish between people who are really oppressed and professional victims and race baiters.

    • Horizontal
      November 27, 2014, 10:20 am

      With so many American cops being trained by the Israelis, what else can you expect?

      • Giles
        November 28, 2014, 4:30 pm

        “He did not put his arms up. The guy who claimed Brown got his hands up and triggered this silly “hands up don’t shoot” meme is the same one who also claimed that Wilson shot him in the back of the head.”

        If you saw the results of the autopsy then you would know the four bullets fires were fired into the inside of the arms. So either Brown was charging the armed officer with his hands raised in the air or awkwardly held down by his sides. Or, as witnesses testified and as the only scenario that passes the common sense test would have us believe, he was surrendering to Wilson.

        The most likely scenario is that Brown and Wilson had an argument/altercation at the car window, which resulted in minor bruising to Wilson’s cheek and with a bullet in Brown’s torso (he was struck once at the car as is proved by the physical evidence). Whether Brown was in fact trying to get Wilson’s gun seems unlikely although we cannot know for sure as only Wilson is left alive to know, Michael Brown cannot give his side of the story. Brown flees and Wilson gets out and is running after him and firing at him (Brown was struck with 6 bullets; Wilson emptied his 12 bullet clip) and missing. Brown then surrenders to avoid being shot by Wilson. Wilson then executes him.

        Race baiting is when you point out the imbalance in power between the ruling party and the oppressed. It is apparently okay to have this imbalance, but an unpardonable sin to notice it and point it t

      • OyVey00
        November 28, 2014, 7:27 pm

        Giles,

        Melinek also said the autopsy did not support witnesses who have claimed Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.

        She said Brown was facing Wilson when Brown took a shot to the forehead, two shots to the chest and a shot to the upper right arm. The wound to the top of Brown’s head would indicate he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter; the shot was instantly fatal.

        A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.

        Link: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/official-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-had-close-range-wound-to/article_e98a4ce0-c284-57c9-9882-3fb7df75fef6.html

        Where do you get your information from? Apparently not from the autopsy.

        Race baiting is when you point out the imbalance in power between the ruling party and the oppressed. It is apparently okay to have this imbalance, but an unpardonable sin to notice it and point it t

        Not quite. Race baiting is when you cherry-pick a case that supports your narrative (white cop kills black man), then sensationalize it and twist the facts to make it seem as dramatic as possible (racist white cop executes helpless black teen), while shamelessly cashing in on the enraged lynch mob you just created (black people go to vote in the midterm elections, yay!).

        93% of blacks in the US are killed by other blacks, not white cops. Yet, them evil, racist white cops enforcing the law are apparently seen as a bigger threat to blacks than gang violence. Maybe they should just stay out of the hood and let the gang-bangers kill each other next time.

      • Giles
        November 29, 2014, 9:30 am

        “Melinek also said the autopsy did not support witnesses who have claimed Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.”

        What part about the fix being in do you not understand.

        “She said a sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said.”

        Another magic bullet theory. Instead of relying on what someone else’s bizarre, twisted, interpretation, look at the pics of the autopsy and you will see that 4 bullets struck Brown on the inside of his arms.

        “Race baiting is when you cherry-pick a case that supports your narrative (white cop kills black man),”

        Is it cherry picking when you have hundreds of such cases to point to.

        “93% of blacks in the US are killed by other blacks, not white cops ”

        So effin what? Rudy G? Really? A Rudy G talking point? Mr. 911 himself.

        “Maybe they should just stay out of the hood and let the gang-bangers kill each other next time”-

        Were you wearing your special hood when you wrote that one.

      • OyVey00
        December 1, 2014, 12:15 pm

        Are you a trained forensic doctor? If not, why should anyone believe what you say? Judging from a pic you’ve seen on the internet or the news, no less.

        Also I’d like you to show me these “hundreds of cases” of racist white cops shooting innocent black men lolol

        No matter if you like Rudy G or not, he’s right. Black victims of homicide are to an overwhelming percentage being killed by other blacks. And there are actually over 2x more whites killed by blacks every year than the other way around.*

        *In 2012, 193 blacks were murdered by whites while 431 whites were murdered by blacks.

        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2012.xls

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 2:38 pm

        *In 2012, 193 blacks were murdered by whites while 431 whites were murdered by blacks.

        oyvey, obviously that’s based on who is indicted and who is convicted. if there’s no trial there’s no conviction. so mike brown won’t show up on this list. as i mention (w/link) earlier on this thread “the Bureau of Justice Statistics officially confirmed to PolitiFact that they do not have nationally representative data on conviction rates by race “- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/justiceformikebrown-ferguson-palestine/comment-page-1#comment-726759

        if the system of oppression is imbalanced, the data resulting from that system will reflect that imbalance. now why do you think there would be data by race on the results but not on the process? why would there be no federal data on conviction rates by race? or indictments by race? so we can’t gauge the systematic imbalance. there are already sentencing guidelines that favor certain drugs over others leading to longer sentences for african americans. if you can’t see that there is injustice systematic built into the system, you’re blind to it. but that doesn’t mean it is not there. when a shoplifter gets a longer sentence than white collar criminal (and they do), that’s injustice. george jackson went to jail for robbing $70 from a gas station at gunpoint and at age 18 was sentenced to serve one year to life in prison.

        n January 17, 1970, Jackson was charged along with Fleeta Drumgo and John Clutchette for murdering guard John V. Mills, who was beaten and thrown from the third floor of Soledad’s Y wing[11] This was a capital offense and a successful conviction could put Jackson in the gas chamber. Mills, an inexperienced rookie, was murdered, supposedly in retaliation for the shooting deaths of Nolen and the other two black inmates by officer Miller the year prior. Miller was not convicted of any crime, a grand jury ruling his actions to be justifiable homicide.[12]

        no indictment, to conviction. doesn’t mean a white man didn’t kill a black man. just means it won’t be on that fbi list of statistics.

    • American
      November 27, 2014, 10:22 am

      OyVey00
      November 27, 2014, 7:35 am

      Looking thru your other comments I think you are a sock puppet.
      So far on here you have admired Netanyahu for protecting ‘his people’, condemned SA blacks, agreed that racial profiling works on Arabs because they are likely to be terrorist, whined about Wilson being criticized just because ‘he’s white’, ……and made the idiotic statement that the grand jury presentation was legitimate when even respected criminal defense attorneys say the DA “prosecutor’s” presentation was a ‘defense of Wilson’ was just that—–NOT a presentation of what might have been wrong about Wilson’s actions which is what a ‘prosecutor’s’ Job ‘ is.

      You’re a phoney. Your comments add up to a anglo supremest sock puppet who dislikes Jews and brown/black people equally.

      • Mooser
        November 27, 2014, 6:54 pm

        “You’re a phoney. Your comments add up to a anglo supremest sock puppet who dislikes Jews and brown/black people equally.”

        That is a very generous, best-case possible scenario, American. Hard to believe (and for what purpose?) that a person would genuinely be the way OyVey00 is.

        But I think you are seeing just what you get.

      • OyVey00
        November 27, 2014, 8:43 pm

        Sorry, but I’m not a sock puppet.

        Also, if I were an “anglo supremest who dislikes Jews and brown/black people equally.” how would I be a phony? Voicing one’s opinions is not what being a phoney is.

        I’m not even white or from an English speaking country btw.

    • Kay24
      November 27, 2014, 11:23 am

      Funny, take the word Brown and insert it with any Palestinian person, or even the activists who died in the flotilla massacre, and it could be the same lame response from Israel.
      Blame the victim always, zio style.

    • Marnie
      November 27, 2014, 12:07 pm

      “As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process.”

      Typical racist bullshit. Young black men in america are expendable and it’s always their fault, right? BTW, if you were a Palestinian, no one would give a damn what you thought . You all are so typical. Any support shown for Palestinians, anything that humanizes them, shows solidarity with them, you all go CRAZY. You talking about thugs? Look in the mirror and study your reflection if you can stomach it. Zionists are nothing but racists, your interest in this story is just another opportunity to spout your propaganda. Your phony concern about Palestinians is disgusting. You call compassion and empathy looking ridiculous? You should be ashamed.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 12:28 pm

        thanks marnie. it’s embarrassing to me how many people here are supporting this system of oppression. words cannot express my shame.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 27, 2014, 1:42 pm

      It’s been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull when he was shot.

      why are you pretending there was a trial when there was not?

      it was wilson who was charging! answer this, “Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson?”

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/26/1347499/-Why-exactly-did-the-police-lie-for-108-days-about-how-far-Mike-Brown-ran-from-Darren-Wilson

      The lead detective in the case saying he walked “50 times” back and forth from the SUV to Mike Brown’s body, stated to the grand jury that he measured from Darren Wilson’s SUV window to Mike Brown’s feet and that it was actually 160 feet, 4 inches.

      The thing is, though, I don’t really see any of this as vindication. The police still lied about it for 108 days, and they absolutely refused to clarify it for the media as they advanced the lie on their own behalf. The grand jury documents revealed that the medical examiner who arrived on the crime scene didn’t even bother to take measurements or photos because he, literally, thought it didn’t matter.

      In his new interview on ABC, both Wilson and his interviewer, George Stephanopoulus, continued to advance the lie that Brown ran just 35 feet away. See them do so starting at 3:40 in the video below.

      Again, Wilson continues to advance the lie because it supports his narrative. If Brown ran half a football field away, it suggests so much more to us than the mental image of his barely making it 10 yards before he, as Wilson suggests, turns around in a demonic rage, and then runs into a hail of gunfire from Wilson’s semi-automatic pistol.

      • OyVey00
        November 27, 2014, 8:53 pm

        What does it matter how far he ran away? A police officer is supposed to follow and arrest someone who just assaulted him. This doesn’t change the fact that Brown charged Wilson in the end, making the shooting clearly a case of self-defense.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 1:49 pm

        “clearly” is subjective.

      • Giles
        November 30, 2014, 9:24 am

        Those crazy black kids. Always charging armed cops and trying to steal their guns. The Hell with the forensic evidence, common sense, and eyewitness testimony. WE know Brown charged Wilson because Wilson told us so.

    • miriam6
      November 28, 2014, 9:42 am

      The early reports sought to present Brown as a passive victim, a ‘gentle giant’; but we now know that he was actively engaged, and perhaps hostile, in his altercation with Wilson.
      The shooting was said to have been unprovoked; but we now know that Brown reached into Wilson’s car and tried to grab his gun.
      We were told that Brown was shot multiple times in the back; but we now know that was untrue.
      The most famous detail – Brown putting his hands up, to plead ‘don’t shoot’ – is disputed among eyewitnesses.
      We also know that Brown sustained a gunshot wound to his hand which could be consistent with Brown trying to grab the policeman’s gun
      Do we know everything about the confrontation that day?
      No, and despite the evidence released by the prosecutor, we may never know the full story.

      But it is clearly a more complicated than the media and campaigners led us to believe.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 11:40 am

        more complicated than the media and campaigners led us to believe.

        you forgot the police. or do you believe the killers story?

      • seafoid
        November 28, 2014, 11:50 am

        Why are all the Zionists on the side of the police? I thought Jews were the driving force behind civil rights. Would they all be for Bull Connor today ?

      • miriam6
        November 28, 2014, 2:37 pm

        Annie Robbins @

        You want to know what I think?.

        I can tell you right now

        It is clear to me that the municipalities around Ferguson have been carved up to create almost white only and wealthy middle class neighbourhoods at the expense of black Ferguson which has had the effect of turning a potentially prosperous neighbourhood into a poorer largely black ghetto with a very narrow tax base

        It is also clear to me that that same process is replicated in many thousands of municipalities across America.

        It is also clear to me that whilst you people complain about the ghettoization of Palestinians YOU Americans live in a society where there are black ghettoes created by whites existing in EVERY American city

        It is clear to me that the ghettoization of many tens of millions of black Americans represents a level of institutional racism that little Israel with its population a mere fraction of America’s cannot match

        So – it is manifestly clear to me that you Americans REALLY ought to get your own house in order before you employ the diversionary ‘whataboutery ‘ tactic of ” whatabout’ Israel as a fig leaf covering the shameful state of your own society

        Whether you are lecturing the Russians or the Israelis and the rest of us about racism and human rights YOU American’s live in glass houses

        And do not give me your nonsense about how at least you TRY to make it different !

        America was confronted by its race problems twenty years ago with the OJ Simpson case and before that – Rodney King

        Decades later – little has changed

        The truth hurts doesn’t it Annie!

        http://www.epi.org/publication/making-ferguson/

      • Bumblebye
        November 28, 2014, 4:17 pm

        @miriam6
        If your link is to Richard Rothstein’s essay on the making of Ferguson, and the institutional and structural racism it lays bare, then everyone should read it at least once!
        If you’re going to be snottily judgmental of annie and assume she is involved in pro-Palestine activism to the exclusion of all local/national issues (where you seem to imply 100% of her activities should be focussed), then I’ll ask if you (in the UK, iirc?) are 100% focussed on similar issues here – such as our own huge imbalance in black/white employment figs? Shouldn’t you be dealing with these issues rather than always defending Israel, even when it’s egregiously in the wrong?

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 4:59 pm

        “So – it is manifestly clear to me that you Americans REALLY ought to get your own house in order before you employ the diversionary ‘whataboutery ‘ tactic of ” whatabout’ Israel as a fig leaf covering the shameful state of your own society

        Whether you are lecturing the Russians or the Israelis and the rest of us about racism and human rights YOU American’s live in glass houses.”

        miriam6– what a scold you are!

        Stop Israel from taking US tax dollars and that insane veto before you lecture any US citizen on what to say or do wrt duplicitous, violent, and apartheid Israel.

        Bumblebye– great comment.

      • Shingo
        November 28, 2014, 5:41 pm

        It is also clear to me that whilst you people complain about the ghettoization of Palestinians YOU Americans live in a society where there are black ghettoes created by whites existing in EVERY American city

        Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance!!

        So let me get this straight. One minute you are taking the opposing view to Annie and defending the slaying of Brown and giving the benefit of the doubt to his killer, the next you are criticism Annie for living in a state where ghettos exist.

        Do you hasbarats practice the art of turning yourself inside out and contradicting yourselves?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 29, 2014, 5:39 am

        speaking of diversionary whataboutery ms miriam, you didn’t answer my question.

        more complicated than the media and campaigners led us to believe.

        you forgot the police. or do you believe the killers story?

        cough it up

        and i happen to know a little about whites gentrifying historically black neighborhoods here in my home turf. let’s just stay in topic. you believe the killer? it’s only the media and “campaigners” telling stories, is that your shtick?

    • Shingo
      November 28, 2014, 1:32 pm

      It’s been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull when he was shot.

      Stop lying. That wasn’t proven at all. The prosecutor was completely compromised and biased.

      • miriam6
        November 28, 2014, 5:28 pm

        Seafoid @

        Why are all the Zionists on the side of the police?

        Your comments smacks of a clumsy attempt to subject ME to discriminatory racial profiling

        How come your Americans have racism on the brain and yet it is STILL such a massive problem in America?

        https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/racial-profiling

      • Shingo
        November 28, 2014, 6:52 pm

        How come your Americans have racism on the brain and yet it is STILL such a massive problem in America?

        Racism, like poverty, cancer and domestic violence, are problems that plague all of humanity.

        The fact that racism (as well as anti Semitism) using the brain, is a good thing. The fact that the U.S. has laws prohibiting racism whereas Israel has over 30 laws that discriminate against non Jews.

      • OyVey00
        November 28, 2014, 7:34 pm

        The evidence has been published. Most eye witnesses, forensic evidence and Wilson’s testimony all support it.

        It’s not that you can’t see it, you just don’t want to.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 29, 2014, 5:44 am

        only “evidence” presented in grand jury, there was no trial and there was no prosecution to speak of. no worthy cross examination to speak of. that’s the whole point of not having a trial so that the truth goes unexamined.

      • miriam6
        November 30, 2014, 2:30 pm

        Annie @

        It is difficult to know exactly what the facts are without a trial in which all evidence from both sides can be examined.

        Only Officer Wilson’s testimony was presented to the Grand Jury
        Whether or not Brown attempted to grab Wilson’s gun or not it seems to me that the crux of the matter is the arming of police itself.
        I see no reason why police officers policing a local suburban community would even NEED to be armed in the first place
        It seems that the war on drugs is a good part of the reason why police
        working in poorer largely black suburban areas are armed in the first place

        John McWhorton draws a clear link between armed police presence in black communities and the war on drugs here :

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FAKfy-CUw

        According to this documentary criminal justice is the third largest growth industry in America. It is a money making enterprise Apparently police narcotics activities are not recorded in city budgets therefore there is no accountability.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0SqRY9i5IE

        Earlier this year US Attorney General Eric Holder announced this :

        We have determined that there is cause for the Justice Department to open an investigation to determine whether Ferguson police officials have engaged in a pattern or practice of violation of United States constitution or federal laws

        According to this report by CPR radio news it is a pattern which has been ongoing in America for decades

        http://cprnews.podbean.com/e/cpr-news-november-26-2014/

        http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/09/justice_dept_set_to_investigate_ferguson_police_dept_practices.html

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 6:06 pm

        thanks for the last links miriam, re “militarized police force complete with armored vehicles”. unfortunately, and now holder is stepping down but i hope someone picks up the baton.

        it began with the war on drugs and then morphed into the WOT and fighting ‘domestic terrorism’, instead of preparing for a more localized crime. it’s the system, a complete overkill. and the distribution of weapons and equipment used in foreign wars or left over from iraq doesn’t help. it’s not just ferguson, it’s the way we treat crime. it needs to be overhauled.

        and also the dearth of these fbi stings, in some cases setting up stings in which the informant lures the perps into actions they may never have even considered (like those kids planning on blowing up a military base! even the judge said it was an obvious set up but she was bond by law to meter out the sentencing based on federal guidelines). this,coupled with the industry of privatized prisons profit off convictions makes it more profitable for communities to have citizens imprisoned than employed. its just a system run amok. on top of that we’ve outsource lots of this police training to a militarized nation that maintains a military occupation over 1/2 the people. so what message does that send? instead of law enforcement serving the communities and the needs of the people they are serving the government, which is supposed to be “by the people for the people” but is it really?

        on top of that we’ve got grand juries who are often friends of law enforcement in these communities and prosecutors who throw soft ball questions and don’t seem to have an intent to indict from the get go. everything is stacked against the citizen and the victim goes in trial instead. it’s awful.

    • The JillyBeans
      November 29, 2014, 10:28 pm

      Palestinian kids stow rocks at Israeli’s in protest. There’s something to living under an oppressive regime that creates laws and unwritten rules to limit your rights as a human.

      I’m not surprised that Brown allegedly charged or fought with the Wilson. Frankly I’m surprised given the ongoing behaviors by law enforcement and other groups in positions of power continuing to abuse the poorer black community that there isn’t more confrontations.

      Recently we found out that Wells Fargo specifically targeted black loan applicants with inferior home loan products. That police departments are sock full of officers who are part of white supremacy organizations. We have political groups who spend a lot of airtime being derogatory toward blacks. Even the statistics of legal cases shows a bias against male blacks in arrests and punishments in comparison to white counterparts.

      Also you don’t know the composition of the community of Ferguson. In the 1992 Los Angeles riots, it came out that the Koreans owned the majority of shops in the black neighborhoods. There was a contentious and contemptuous relationship between the shop owners and the community. The Koreans were pretty racist against the community they depended on for an income. I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t the case in Ferguson.

      People living in untenable situations act out at some point. Whether it’s in Palestine or Ferguson.

      • just
        November 29, 2014, 11:24 pm

        +1.

      • miriam6
        December 3, 2014, 6:12 pm

        [email protected]

        I hope I have time to drop this important link in here before this thread closes

        Yet another Grand Jury has failed to provide justice for a black victim of police brutality
        Eric Holder died after being placed in a chokehold by a white NYPD officer.

        Another CPR radio report for you here.

        SPECIAL ON ERIC GARNER GRAND JURY DECISION
        http://cprnews.podbean.com/e/cpr-news-december-3-2014/

        Honestly, I despair of the situation in America. The man interviewed by Don de Bar says the slogan that really cuts to the heart of the matter is ‘No justice – NO Profit’ because profit is at the heart of the matter

        He also criticises the political power the police now wield

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2014, 1:39 am

        thanks miriam. here’s the story (your links are off and eric holder didn’t die): http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/the-death-of-eric-garner-the-grand-jury-decision/?_r=0

        so looking forward to sean explaining to us again those statistics of how many more black men kill white than the reverse given the fact/reality white men rarely even get indicted when they kill blacks. reminds me of the occupation under military rule.

    • Accentitude
      December 1, 2014, 8:23 am

      Oy vey, are you really a Palestinian? I have my doubts but if so, stop what you’re doing, go to jail, do not collect $200. You are an embarrassment to the rest of us. As a Palestinian American with one foot firmly planted in the United States and the other foot firmly planted in the heart of Palestine, my moral outrage is for all injustices whether it is injustice perpetrated against Black youth in America or Palestinian youth in Gaza or Silwan. To me there is no difference in degrees of injustice. If you can’t get with that, you have serious issues. Maybe take a moment to reflect upon the fact that the only one making Palestinians look ridiculous is you. Personally, I’ll take real solidarity from Reggie Bush over fake solidarity from you any day.

  3. just
    November 27, 2014, 7:50 am

    Abu Rahma is beautiful. His pictures are as well. Thank you, Annie!

    This has EVERYTHING to do with ethnicity, Foxman.

    Reggie Bush has moved the mountain closer toward truth. People that were unfamiliar with the Palestinians’ plight will become aware now.

    Go Reggie, GO!

    • ritzl
      November 27, 2014, 1:24 pm

      +10!

    • catporn
      November 29, 2014, 8:04 am

      +10¹²

    • jayn0t
      November 29, 2014, 8:50 pm

      There is no evidence that the tragic death of Michael Brown had anything to do with race. When a white person, even a cop, shoots a black person, it does not prove they are racist. To do that, you would have to show they treat white people differently in the same circumstances.

      Whereas the Palestine question has everything to do with ethnicity. There is no doubt that the Jewish state is entirely a project of racial supremacy. It is tasteless to compare Palestine with even the worst ghetto in America.

      Isn’t it boring when black celebrities comment on events, certain that racism must have been involved, when they have no evidence? And isn’t it predictable how liberals follow them?

      • Giles
        November 30, 2014, 9:31 am

        “In August, our 22-year-old son John Crawford III was shot to death by police in a Walmart. John was unarmed and shopping while talking to the mother of his two children on his cell phone when police rushed into the store and started shooting.

        We fought for months to get Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine to release surveillance footage – which clearly shows John posed no threat. We succeeded but a grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer who took John’s life.”

        Hmmm.. No indictment of white cop shooting unarmed young black man. Sounds a bit familiar

  4. Kay24
    November 27, 2014, 8:09 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to Annie, Phil, Adam, and my fellow commenters here. Hope you enjoy the day with family and friends.

    Here are some hardworking folks making a case for the children of Gaza during this Thanksgiving season in front of the WH:

    • just
      November 27, 2014, 8:52 am

      Those are super Americans… thanks, Kay.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 27, 2014, 11:00 am

      my prayers today are for a presidential pardon for the holy land 5.

      • just
        November 27, 2014, 11:10 am

        Count me in your prayer circle, Annie.

      • ritzl
        November 27, 2014, 1:28 pm

        God, is that even a possibility?!! Even if it’s ONLY a possibility, you just made my Thanksgiving!

        What a govt-wide, both feet over the cliff, security-state freefall, railroad job.

        Thanks the thought, Annie!

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 1:52 pm

        of course it’s a possibility! Obama has the opportunity to overturn this travesty of justice once and for all. many presidents grant presidential pardons when they leaves office. i’ve written him many times about it.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/breaking-supreme-court-denies-holy-land-five-appeal

        This is travesty of American criminal justice. I don’t think American citizens understand that this effects all of us and the world that believes in the American criminal justice system. Anyone in any court in America now risks being convicted based on the opinion of someone who claims to be an expert without any opportunity to cross examine that person because everything about that so-called expert can remain secret. The right to Confrontation, so long enshrined in our justice system, died today.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/whether-legal-or-political-the-holy-land-five-struggle-will-continue

        Their imprisonment for more than eight years is an absolute travesty. From secret evidence, to anonymous expert testimony, the prosecution made the Holy Land Five an example of the political climate, rather than trying them for their actions—sending contributions to the same legal zakat committees that also received funds from USAID. Furthermore USAID continued to fund those same zakat charities for an entire year after the U.S. government shut down the HLF. In light this double standard, there is nothing in this case to reassure Americans about the state of our government or our protections under its laws.

        more here: https://www.google.com/search?q=mondoweiss+holyland+5&oq=mondoweiss+holyland+5&aqs=chrome69i57.12954j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8

      • Walid
        November 27, 2014, 4:19 pm

        No longer talked about but having happened at just about the same time as the case against the Holy Land 5, was the arrest, questioning and release for lack of evidence and subsequent suicide death by drowning in Lake Lady Bird in Austin, Texas of Palestinian-American teacher Riad Hamad. He had been gathering used clothing, books and toys at the Palestine Children’s Welfare Fund (that he had founded)for over three years when he was arrested for suspicion of funneling money to Hamas. PCWF had joined the Middle East Children’s Alliance, Kinder USA and Holy Land Foundation – all dedicated to helping Palestinian children as a major part of their work . He died under very suspicious circumstances, somewhat like the Jerusalem bus driver that hung himself on his bus; The sad story of Riad Hamad has MOSSAD written all over it:

        http://palestinechronicle.com/old/view_article_details.php?id=13719

      • seafoid
        November 27, 2014, 4:33 pm

        Think of all the people the bots have murdered, Walid, down the years. Lord Moyne, Egyptian prisoners, The MunichPalestinians hunted down individually, Ghassan Kanafani , Abu Jihad, Sheikh Yassin, etc etc but it never made Zionism sustainable.

        It’s as if Ben Gurion made a deal with Satan. Sell us your soul and you can practice all of the dark arts. And he did. And Satan turned out to be just another chancer . And Zionism is still f$cked.

        That 2000 response of Edward Said- and what about the Jews in Israel? “I don’t know, I really don’t know. “

      • seafoid
        November 27, 2014, 4:41 pm

        I didn’t realize that after the bots assassinated Yahya Ayyash 60 Israelis died in suicide bombings.

        God works in mysterious ways and sorely tests her people.

      • Walid
        November 27, 2014, 5:29 pm

        Seafoid, I think the big credit for all those suicide bombings can be traced mostly back to Baruch Goldstein. 4 years had passed since the first 2 bombing but after Goldstein, they started happening every year. After Ayash was killed, the numbers shot up every year.

      • Walid
        November 27, 2014, 5:34 pm

        “… Egyptian prisoners”

        Seafoid, are you referring to the mass executions of POWs à la ISIS and into mass graves in 1967 Sinai or something else?

      • seafoid
        November 27, 2014, 5:43 pm

        Yes, Walid

      • Walid
        November 27, 2014, 5:59 pm

        “That 2000 response of Edward Said- and what about the Jews in Israel? “I don’t know, I really don’t know. “

        The one thing he did know at the time and was proved correct, was that the Oslo deal was a sellout of the Palestinian people and their rights by the Palestinian leadership. For that, Arafat banned his books in Palestine. BTW, the same Palestinian luminaries that were in on the Oslo are still the ones doing the negotiating for the Palestinians. Great track record since 20 years; settlers went from being around 50,000 to now becoming about 650,000 thanks to Oslo.

    • Antidote
      December 1, 2014, 11:18 pm

      do those good americans know what they are celebrating on thanksgiving day?

      abolition of slavery?

      or empire, wars of aggression, racism and genocide?

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/11/25/americans-celebrate-thanksgiving-day-paul-craig-roberts/

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/11/28/ferguson-reexamined-paul-craig-roberts/

  5. Horizontal
    November 27, 2014, 10:26 am

    Finally, a Bush I actually enjoy hearing from.

    Anything that makes the Palestinians real and human terrorizes the Zionist establishment. We know it and they know it. When more people get how vile they truly are, the jig will indeed be up, and all the money in the world won’t be able to stop it.

    Foxman has a very Jurassic Park feel about him these days.

  6. Jackdaw
    November 27, 2014, 10:50 am

    Steal merchandise from a shop owner.
    Punch a cop in the face and try to take his weapon.
    Run away from the pursuing police officer and than move back at the armed officer.

    Aren’t we asking a real lot from this officer, who, by the way, is out fighting crime daily and cleaning up after our mistakes and accidents?

    Had Mr. Brown ANY responsibility?

    • ritzl
      November 27, 2014, 1:40 pm

      Yes, hypothetically stealing a candy bar is a trial-free capital crime. As is moving toward an arresting officer with your hands in the air.

      In Palestine it’s walking on the wrong side of the street (or the wrong street), or collecting debris where there’s a bored (or pissed off, or insert adjective here) sniper twitching restlessly.

      Death sentence.

      Got it. Your perfect world, and the rules under which you want the rest of us to live.

      That’s the imperative of equating Ferguson to Palestine. Nobody wants to live in Jackdaw world, but that’s the direction we’re heading unless something changes. Quickly.

      • Jackdaw
        November 28, 2014, 1:20 pm

        Brown didn’t steal a candy bar. It was a strong arm robbery of a pack of cigarillos (used for rolling ‘blunts’).

        Watch the video on youtube.

    • Marnie
      November 27, 2014, 2:00 pm

      If the world you want to live in allows police and military extrajudicial murders with impunity you better watch what you wish for Jackdaw. You better hope you never piss off the cop with an itchy trigger finger who’ll claim you resisted or were threatening (I know, funny, imagine anyone being threatened by you!).

    • Walid
      November 27, 2014, 3:48 pm

      “Punch a cop in the face and try to take his weapon. Run away from the pursuing police officer and than move back at the armed officer.” (Jackdaw)

      Exact same answer every time an Israeli police or soldier assassinates a Palestinian youth.

    • seafoid
      November 28, 2014, 3:28 pm

      Why are Zionist Jews apparently so pro the death penalty for small time crime?
      Does this apply to white collar Wall St crime too, Jackdaw ? Or is it just for colored people ?

      • Marnie
        November 29, 2014, 5:10 am

        BINGO

  7. American
    November 27, 2014, 10:57 am

    IMO people are missing the crux of the problem.

    In cases like Mike Brown and 400 other similar cases it is not a question of whether or not the victim was entirely innocent of anything or guilty of some crime or not.

    Its about the police mentality and policy of *SHOOT TO KILL*—–every time, all the time, regardless of the circumstances, kill first, ask questions later.

    Our Police Departments are loose cannons who now consider themselves part of the elite authority with a license to kill at any challenge to their authority—-no* judgement* is exercised —-a 12 year with a toy gun gets the same ‘shoot to kill ‘ treatment as a drug gang member shooting it out with the police.

    They operate Exactly like the IDF in Palestine.

    • American
      November 27, 2014, 11:12 am

      To illustrate this shoot kill policy watch that popular Swat Team show on TV–cant think of the name of it.

      I happened to see one segment which illustrates this perfectly. The situation was a teenage girl on a rooftop standing between her mother and father and pointing a gun at her father who had almost beat her mother to death.
      The swat team was called in to this standoff—-so what did the sharp shooters who supposedly were so good they could shoot the wings off a fly with their pin point targeting do?
      When the girl wouldn’t put the gun down they shot her dead.
      No judgement calls, no moral calls, no forward thinking at all—–like robots they followed their training to kill dead– not disable with their sharp shooter skills—- but kill fucking dead the person who has the gun, whether that person is the real criminal or not.

    • seafoid
      November 28, 2014, 3:31 pm

      Well said, American. It’s not about this case. It’s about the system.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmB36p2lWIg

      But now it’s all about NYPD caps
      And Pentagon bumper stickers
      But yo, you still a nigga
      It ain’t right them cops and them firemen died
      The shit is real tragic, but it damn sure ain’t magic
      It won’t make the brutality disappear
      It won’t pull equality from behind your ear
      It won’t make a difference in a two-party country
      If the president cheats, to win another four years
      Now don’t get me wrong, there’s no place I’d rather be
      The grass ain’t greener on the other genocide
      But tell Huey Freeman don’t forget to cut the lawn
      And uproot the weeds
      Cuz I’m not satisfied

  8. seanmcbride
    November 27, 2014, 11:19 am

    Most Americans strongly disapprove of strong arm robberies, the bullying and intimidation of store clerks, punching police officers, trying to wrestle guns from police officers, arson, looting, vandalism, incitement to “burn this motherfucker down” and “burn this bitch down” (Michael Brown’s stepfather egging on the rioters in Ferguson), etc. Associating Michael Brown with righteous human rights activism and the Palestinian cause would be a political mistake, in my opinion — one which would play right into hands of neoconservative and Fox News propagandists.

    Some progressives have rallied behind Michael Brown without doing much critical thinking. The minute that video of Brown physically bullying and intimidating a much smaller store clerk in the act of a strong arm robbery was released, Brown was politically damaged goods. That is the reality. One strongly doubts that serious Palestinian activists want to be linked in the public mind with that kind of criminal and antisocial behavior. And have there ever been instances in which any Palestinians have destroyed their own neighborhoods as a form of political demonstration?

    The results of the grand jury proceedings were the final nail in the coffin in terms of portraying Brown is an innocent and sweet boy who was murdered by an evil racist cop with no provocation. Darren Wilson in that George Stephanopoulos interview didn’t come across as a racist thug — quite the opposite. Brown, on the other hand, was unquestionably a thug — the convenience store video made that clear.

    One needs to build political and social movements on strong foundations — otherwise they collapse.

    Comparing the plight of Palestinians under Israeli occupation to the status of African-Americans in the United States is not persuasive. Can one picture a Palestinian ever becoming an Israeli prime minister, as Barack Obama has become an American president? It will never happen for fundamental structural reasons in Zionist ideology.

    There are major problems in American society with regard to how many police departments treat African-Americans, but the Michael Brown shooting is a poor case on which to address and remedy this issue. Not smart from the standpoint of effective practical politics.

    • Real Jew
      November 27, 2014, 12:19 pm

      Very well said Sean, your entire comment hit the nail right on the head. A very poor comparison indeed

    • gamal
      November 27, 2014, 1:01 pm

      A message from the beloved leader

      “Some progressives have rallied behind Michael Brown without doing much critical thinking”

      When “progressives” engage in critical thought they come up with a concatenation of right wing talking points?

      ” Serious Palestinian Activists” is comedy gold, unlike the weekenders pictured above I suppose?

      “Not smart from the point of view of practical politics” stop man you are a tragedy, while we may well be playing checkers it seems you are struggling with tic tac toe.

      • seanmcbride
        November 27, 2014, 1:44 pm

        gamal,

        How many Palestinian leaders are interested in using the events surrounding Michael Brown and Ferguson as part of the information campaign to further their political struggle against Israel? Do they view Michael Brown as a hero and a martyr? Do they believe that arson, looting and vandalism committed against their own neighborhoods would be an effective form of political protest? Do they even believe that Darren Wilson is a homicidal racist who should be charged with murder in cold blood?

        Seriously — please keep us informed — there may be some Palestinian leaders out there who are on the same page as you with regard to the wisdom of milking Brown and Ferguson for pro-Palestinian political operations — but my impression is that they are too smart to do so.

        There are many clear-cut cases out there of crimes committed by white cops against innocent black kids with an obvious racist agenda. Why not focus on those cases if one is trying to move the political needle on these issues? The Michael Brown/Ferguson situation is too problematic to use effectively as “a teaching moment.”

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 2:04 pm

        How many Palestinian leaders are interested in using the events surrounding Michael Brown and Ferguson as part of the information campaign to further their political struggle against Israel?

        sean, this self serving habit of yours that you use repeatedly by implying other people agree with you, especially those in authority, is transparent bullshit. especially when so many “palestinian leaders” have either been executed, imprisoned, or otherwise silenced. FYI, Hamde Abu Rahma is a leader, you just fail to recognize that.

        your opinion on this matter disgusts and shames me as an american and as a human being.

      • seanmcbride
        November 27, 2014, 2:28 pm

        Annie,

        Among (obviously) living Palestinian thought leaders, political leaders and media outlets have you noticed much interest in yoking the Palestinian cause to Michael Brown and his more excited supporters? — like his stepfather, who called for burning this motherfucker and bitch (Ferguson) down?

        It’s not a rhetorical question — it’s a real question — I haven’t noticed any sentiment that way on the Internet, but I may have overlooked it. My personal opinion is that Palestinians would spot the pitfalls of going down that road immediately — it would stand a good chance of backfiring among most Americans — including many or most thought leaders in the African-American community — who strongly condemn street violence, both criminal and political. The Michael Brown case is a mess from the standpoint of developing clear and winning pro-Palestinian political themes.

        The main beneficiary of events in Ferguson may well be the Republican Party — continuing all the way into 2016 and the next presidential election. That’s my read. The Republicans will turn this into a generalized culture war — not a white/black economic war — enlisting quite a few prominent African-Americans on their side. Are you on side of civilization or chaos? — that will be the predictable line — and it will probably gain some significant traction. We will be squarely into neoconservative Clash of Civilizations territory.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 2:14 pm

        and by the way, what you call an “information campaign” is a slander. the solidarity between palestinian activists and people on the ground in ferguson came out immediately and naturally because of the tactics and weapons being used against the people of ferguson that night, and because of social media the struggles and connections between the people/activists had already been established. because people who care about human rights already had “friended” eachother. what you reduce to an “information campaign” began by palestinians advising people on thee streets how best to fend off tear gas and such and a natural affinity by some people to support those being oppressed. all one needs to do is look at the photographs and actions of the struggles. and how many here advocate killing children for shoplifting!!! i can’t believe i am even hearing that. (i was the best shoplifter in my adolescence!) and you’re calling mike brown a thug? if he were my size with my skin color would you dare? seriously, disgust!

        i can no longer comment on this thread. seeing the solidarity here for the killer, the executioner is just more than i can bare.

        http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/11/killer-mike-ferguson

        ” it is about a war machine. It is us against the motherfucking machine.””

      • just
        November 27, 2014, 2:25 pm

        Then there was this:

        “Just days after her 90th birthday, Holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein was arrested Monday in St. Louis when she was part of a protest outside Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s office. Epstein was born in Germany and left in 1939 on a Kindertransport to England. Her parents died in Auschwitz. Epstein is a co-founder of the St. Louis Palestine Solidarity Committee and St. Louis branch of Jewish Voice for Peace. In 2011, she was part of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla and was a passenger on the U.S.-flagged ship, The Audacity of Hope. Over the years, she has made many solidarity trips to the West Bank. Epstein criticizes the police handling of protests in Ferguson. “It’s the same kind of violence that I’ve observed when I was in the Israeli-occupied Palestine,” Epstein says. “I know what it feels like to be discriminated against, to be oppressed, and I can’t stand idly by when I see there are problems.””

        http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/20/stop_the_violence_from_ferguson_to

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 2:43 pm

        i hang out on twitter a lot, and there are a lot of palestinian tweeters in solidarity. this is a people lead movement. and of course there is a lot of interest in the arabic press. why don’t you tell us about the america “thought leaders” aligning themselves with your opinion.

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        محكمة اميركية تقرر عدم ملاحقة شرطي قتل الشاب الاسود مايكل …
        http://www.alahednews.com.lb/…/محكمة-اميركية-تقرر-عدم-م…Translate this page
        3 days ago – واضاف “ما من شك ان الشرطي ويلسون تسبب بموت” مايكل براون متحدثا عن “وفاة … في وقت تجمع فيه مئات الاشخاص في شوارع فيرغسون بانتظار االقرار.

        one of those included a news story w/video w/MLK in the background. another from https://altagreer.com/ ran down a list of countries on the reaction including china, iran, spain and many more and this is what it said about the middle east (google translate):

        Middle east

        Spread the story of the protests in the United States on the front pages of several Arab newspapers also. In Egypt, Al-Wafd newspaper concluded to put under the title: “uprising against racism in the United States.”

        While the Qatari Al-Watan newspaper said that cities in the United States are now condemning the “murderous racism,” The newspaper official Syrian Revolution that protests against police violence and racism were on the rise in the United States.

        none of the articles made the points you have made. all if them showed solidarity w/the people (except israel who defending the states actions).

        if you want to win arguments by omission by formulating questions for other to address, i won’t be playing.

        like reggie bush said, this is a global problem.

      • Walid
        November 27, 2014, 3:42 pm

        How different is Reggie Bush’s “Ferguson is Palestine” from Netanyahu’s “Hamas is ISIS”? It’s looking like the Palestinian cause is becoming a milking cow in the same way as the Holocaust has been used. BTW, it was also linked here to the Amerindian cause. Reggie Bush’s support for Palestine is most welcome when it comes standing on its own without any strings being attached to anything else.

      • OyVey00
        November 27, 2014, 9:25 pm

        To Annie:

        and how many here advocate killing children for shoplifting!!! i can’t believe i am even hearing that. (i was the best shoplifter in my adolescence!) and you’re calling mike brown a thug? if he were my size with my skin color would you dare? seriously, disgust!

        1. an 18 year old is not a child.

        2. I once stole a porn mag from a shop when I was like 11. I got caught and never did it again. I learned my lesson, Brown didn’t.

        2. No offense, but an unarmed man of your size wouldn’t be a danger to a police officer. A man of Brown’s size definitely is. That’s the whole point.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 2:15 pm

        obviously it is not the point because a 12 year old just got gunned down. it wasn’t his size. the killer was the same size.

      • OyVey00
        November 28, 2014, 7:41 pm

        obviously it is not the point because a 12 year old just got gunned down. it wasn’t his size. the killer was the same size

        Did Wilson shoot the 12yo? No? Then it has nothing to do with this case.

        Brown definitely was larger than Wilson and also “insanely strong” – according to him.

        Maybe you should just accept that Wilson might not be an evil racist who killed this black baby for the color of his skin after all?

    • Scott
      November 27, 2014, 3:47 pm

      Most Americans strongly disapprove of strong arm robberies, the bullying and intimidation of store clerks, punching police officers, trying to wrestle guns from police officers, arson, looting, vandalism, incitement to “burn this motherfucker down” and “burn this bitch down” (Michael Brown’s stepfather egging on the rioters in Ferguson), etc. Associating Michael Brown with righteous human rights activism and the Palestinian cause would be a political mistake, in my opinion — one which would play right into hands of neoconservative and Fox News propagandists.
      I agree with this. –

      • gamal
        November 27, 2014, 10:53 pm

        sorry but there seem to be few reply buttons so Sean baby, I have scanned your reply and since you are both ignorant and selling uncritical acceptance of the pablum being offered by the police as critical thought i am generously suggesting that you buy and read the text linked below a significant preview can be sampled at link.

        Max Blumenthal has an interview here where he is apparently introducing several people to modern anti-racist discourse, for the last 20 years Black activists have been arguing that anti-racism as a paradigm needs to be abandoned as it all too easily locates the problem within Blackness, the problem as it is now conceived is white privilege, the problem is whiteness as conceived within a system of privilege, not the much pathologised black community, if you want to see thuggishness in action go see Marco Williams “Banished” or read about it.

        Check out Bassem Masri a Palestinian from Ferguson instead of channeling O’Reilly and berating the “progressives” or Palestinians, you do not wonder how this narrative about an unarmed young man has been constructed, critical thinking my scarred arse. You assume that the self serving version presented by the perpetrator is true? why, a 12 year old thug was shot twice in the center of his body mass from 10ft by a police officer, I await the justification with interest. There will no trial of Wilson, you dont find that odd, due process? and yet you have convicted Brown on the basis of a campaign of innuendo and you state he was Thug, so his execution with 6 bullets is justified and needs no examination, its ridiculous.

        in 1997 in my manor the Police killed Marlon Downes, Jamaican, after the inquest ruled an open verdict because his death by suicide, as the police claimed was literally impossible, look into it, what history doesnt record is that exemplary beatings administered to local police by myself and others forced them to close those vile dungeons within days of Marlons death, we broke into Harrow police station and kicked the living shit out of the CID officers we believed to have been responsible, and thus justice was served to the best of our limited abilities, there were no arrests we got away scot free and we all felt vindicated, it led to a strong communal resistance to police abuse and increased local solidarity, it aint pretty but for some people its all we have, I was a professional journalist and educator, i maintained cordial relations with the royal household where i reviewed the speeches of Charles where they dealt with Islam and vetted Muslims he wished to interact with, i have always been a polymath, thugs you know can have intellectual lives and professional careers, they learned their lesson and for several years the black people of those North London boroughs noticed a reduced level of police violence, nothing lasts but we got some respite, you need to look deeper in to things

        Michael the “thug” Brown has no serious juvenile convictions, he graduated high school and was due to go to college, the video that so impressed you seems to me to amount to very little, exactly the same shit was said of Steven Lawrence, murdered by young white working class racists not 2 miles from where i worked for 30 years, it turned out he was a model student waiting to start an Architecture degree, had he been a thug he would not have died he was in fact rather naive.

        But the one thing that convinced me to dismiss your idiocy was your revolting insolence in suggesting that Palestinians from Bi’lin are “milking” anything, listen shit head they are expressing solidarity with another despised and much abused people, not selling soap to indolent racists like you, what was Mandela selling when he expressed solidarity with Palestine or Tutu, a mercenary creep such as yourself can not understand principle, there is no bottom line. They are doing what is right.

        A local black business owner in Ferguson remarked that while he hoped his businesses were not looted with out this burning and looting no one would be paying any attention, “Y’all wouldnt be here” he said motioning to the media “it would be swept under the rug”

        Brown was 18 years of age for fuck sake, that his death doesn’t move you to question the authorities is nauseating and the anti-thesis of critical thinking, there are quite a few articles around explaining the context of his communities rage, on Dissident Voice and Informed Comment, neither of which i particularly like however in this instance they are doing creditable work, that you impress yourself and other clowns with your semi-sensate ramblings is pitiful. you do not deserve any serious engagement the estimable Annie is quite right, punk.

        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520271858/counterpunchmaga#reader_0520271858

    • chet
      November 27, 2014, 4:59 pm

      Annie — “i can no longer comment on this thread. seeing the solidarity here for the killer, the executioner is just more than i can bare.”

      Annie, with the greatest of respect for yr views and commitment, it must be pointed out that seanmcbride’s comments do not constitute “solidarity here for the killer, the executioner” but rather a reasoned critque of the desirability of “yoking” the killing of M. Brown to the plight of murdered Palestinians.

      For my part, initially on hearing the news that yet another unarmed black youth had been shot by a white police officer, my reaction was one of complete outrage. However, as seanmcb points out, the police, in a skillful strategic maneuver, immediately made public the security videotape that showed a theft, bullying and that M. Brown was not an average skinny teenager, but rather, a very large young man. It must be admitted that the theft and bullying tempered my immediate sympathy and caused me to consider that there could be more than one side to this seemingly-horrible story — this is the moral ambiguity problem to which seanmcb refers.

      A discussion of these issues should not be taken for solidarity with the police, prosecutor or the media.

      • seanmcbride
        November 27, 2014, 5:38 pm

        chet,

        Annie, with the greatest of respect for yr views and commitment, it must be pointed out that seanmcbride’s comments do not constitute “solidarity here for the killer, the executioner” but rather a reasoned critque of the desirability of “yoking” the killing of M. Brown to the plight of murdered Palestinians.

        Thanks for the reasonable and intelligent response — you read the meaning of my words perfectly. I don’t know how I could have written them with more clarity.

        I underwent the same process of evolution in viewing events in Ferguson as you did — the convenience store video made a strong impression on my mind — I feel a strong distaste for people who physically bully much smaller people — and more questions are nagging my mind after the grand jury endorsed the claim that Brown had physically assaulted Darren Wilson and wrestled for his gun — that crosses a red line for me. Anyone who initiates a violent struggle for a cop’s gun might just as well be trying to commit suicide by cop.

        This is a poor case on which to try to activate and leverage energy for political and social change.

      • American
        November 27, 2014, 7:32 pm

        ” However, as seanmcb points out, the police, in a skillful strategic maneuver, immediately made public the security videotape that showed a theft, bullying and that M. Brown was not an average skinny teenager, but rather, a very large young man. It must be admitted that the theft and bullying tempered my immediate sympathy and caused me to consider that there could be more than one side to this seemingly-horrible story — this is the moral ambiguity problem to which seanmcb refers. – ……..chet

        You people are so superficial and obtuse. You miss the point entirely.
        It is not about whether or not Brown was a thief or bbully or not—its about police acting as ‘executioners’—-its about police ‘escalating’ situations instead of de-escalating situations–its about unnecessary killing. It is about inappropiate responses and authority and ‘Gods with guns’ complexes.
        Our so called ‘law and order’ is now a militarized machine—–Exactly like the IDF—that is the Palestine comparison to Ferguson.

      • Giles
        November 28, 2014, 10:36 am

        Anyone who has actually read Wilson’s testimony (and you all should) should recognize it for the absurd lie that it is. Akin to “Israel did everything it possibly could to avoid civilian deaths” in its latest Gaza slaughter. Read the thing. Completely non credible.

        The DA used the grand jury not to get an indictment but to present Wilson’s defense. In a system where it takes 9 jurors to either indict or not indict, the jury had 9 whites on it. The announcement of the grand jury’s decision was timed for 8:00PM CST — prime time.

        A pathetic cynical manipulation of the system and the public. I am shocked any reasonable person would not see thru this sham, this travesty of justice.

      • Bumblebye
        November 28, 2014, 11:36 am

        @Giles
        +100

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 11:45 am

        “In 1985, the New York Daily News quoted former Chief Judge Sol Wachtler as saying that if they so desired, a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to ‘indict a ham sandwich’.

        It doesn’t seem like an awful lot has changed decades later, with Five Thirty Eight pointing out today that, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, of the 162,000 federal cases US attorneys prosecuted in 2010 (the most recent year data was released for), grand juries only declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.

        Grand juries’ overwhelming propensity to indict seems to diminish quite drastically when a police officer is involved however.

        While it’s important to stress that these figures aren’t directly comparable with last night’s grand jury verdict in St Louis, where officer Darren Wilson was not charged for shooting dead unarmed black teenager Michael Brown, as it was heard in state court rather than federal, the ratio is stark nonetheless.

        The Houston Chronicle recently found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in major cities in recent years, while in Harris County, Texas, a grand jury hasn’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004. In Dallas 81 shootings came before grand juries between 2008 and 2012, and just one returned an indictment.”

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-grand-jury-could-indict-a-ham-sandwich-but-apparently-not-a-white-police-officer-9882529.html

        That prosecutor should be investigated for prosecutorial misconduct, imho.

  9. RobertB
    November 27, 2014, 11:29 am

    From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security

    America’s Israel lobby exploited the climate of hysteria, providing thousands of top cops with all-expenses paid trips to Israel and stateside training sessions with Israeli military and intelligence officials. By now, police chiefs of major American cities who have not been on junkets to Israel are the exception.

    “Israel is the Harvard of antiterrorism,” said former US Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer, who now serves as the US Senate Sergeant-at-Arms. Cathy Lanier, the Chief of the Washington DC Metropolitan Police, remarked, “No experience in my life has had more of an impact on doing my job than going to Israel.” “One would say it is the front line,” Barnett Jones, the police chief of Ann Arbor, Michigan, said of Israel. “We’re in a global war.”

    Karen Greenberg, the director of Fordham School of Law’s Center on National Security and a leading expert on terror and civil liberties, said the Israeli influence on American law enforcement is so extensive it has bled into street-level police conduct. “After 9/11 we reached out to the Israelis on many fronts and one of those fronts was torture,” Greenberg told me. “The training in Iraq and Afghanistan on torture was Israeli training. There’s been a huge downside to taking our cue from the Israelis and now we’re going to spread that into the fabric of everyday American life? It’s counter-terrorism creep. And it’s exactly what you could have predicted would have happened.” “

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2178

  10. weiss
    November 27, 2014, 11:51 am

    This Jew is Ashamed as well Seafold.

    Much respect to Bush for having the courage to speak out.

    Wow … Someone doing good under the Bush name…

    Who would have thought!

  11. gamal
    November 27, 2014, 1:30 pm

    As to the he was no angel meme Tim Wise puts himself on the line

    That’s the refrain, repeated for over two months on social media by defenders of Officer Darren Wilson, convinced that Michael Brown was little more than a violent and dangerous thug, worthy of death that August day in Ferguson.

    From the beginning, Brown’s strong-arm theft of cigars from a local market was used by Wilson’s supporters as justification for whatever happened to him. “Thieves deserve their fate,” came the refrain from many a (mostly white) Facebook feed—this, from persons who have never openly advocated death for, say, Wall Street bankers who stole a lot more than Swisher Sweets. Nor have they likely ever contemplated what such a maxim might suggest about the merited destinies of their own white ancestors, for whom theft of land and the labor of others was central to the development of the very country those same commentators now call home.

    “He had weed in his system,” cried others, suggesting that marijuana use either justifies being shot by a cop, or at the very least might explain his “aggressive behavior” towards Officer Wilson—the kind of thing that could only be said by someone who had never smoked much weed. Attacking police officers is, as a general rule, the last thing on your mind when you’re high.

    http://www.timwise.org/2014/11/i-was-no-angel-either-crime-deviance-and-white-privilege-in-america/#more-6243

  12. Marnie
    November 27, 2014, 1:54 pm

    In news of the weird – off topic kinda sorta –

    http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Klu-Klux-Klan-diversifies-to-include-Jews-and-other-minorities-381328

    “White supremacy is the old Klan. This is the new Klan,” KKK member John Albarr says.

    A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.

    The notoriously racist white-supremacist group has decided to undergo a re-branding to expand its reach and mission. They will leave behind their legacy of burning crosses, lynching African Americans and committing other horrific racist attacks.

    The new, more expansive group, known as “The Rocky Mountain Knights,” is meant to be a subsection of the KKK, based in Montana in the United States.

    John Albarr, a KKK member from Great Falls, Montana, spearheaded the re-branding effort after reportedly having discussions with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). His goal is that the new group will help to create a stronger and better America.

    “White supremacy is the old Klan. This is the new Klan,” Albarr said, adding: “It thought it was a really good organization. I don’t feel we need to be separate.”

    Despite this supposed re-branding, all members of Albarr’s “Rocky Mountain Knights” will have to wear the KKK’s traditional white robes, masks, and pointed hats– a uniform that historically conjured images of hate, persecution and terror.

    It is unclear how many members this new sect of the KKK has.

    In 2011, Abarr attempted to run for the Montana seat in the US House of Representatives as a Republican, with the goal of “saving the White race” on his manifesto. As a result, Albarr was denounced by other mainstream Republicans for his racist attitudes and political views.

    The KKK is a protestant Christian organization considered to have an extreme right-wing political stance. It is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League.

    When the KKK was first founded in 1865, after the American Civil War, they called for the purification of society and the elimination of non-white races.

    Today the Klan doesn’t have as much influence in American society as it used to, but is estimated that more than 5,000 Americans claim membership to about 150 different Klan groups in the United States.

    “A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.” Yes, I was wondering when they were going to include the people they have historically hunted down, mutilated, and lynched to be in their numbers. Maybe this is a cute way of saying the Ku Klux Klan is officially in the dustbin of history. Yikes.

    • just
      November 27, 2014, 2:37 pm

      No wonder the US voted against the anti- Nazi resolution.

      ‘Yikes’ about covers it.

    • eljay
      November 27, 2014, 3:07 pm

      >> Marnie: “A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.” Yes, I was wondering when they were going to include the people they have historically hunted down, mutilated, and lynched to be in their numbers. Maybe this is a cute way of saying the Ku Klux Klan is officially in the dustbin of history.

      Or maybe it’s a way of saying that the KKK is protestant Christian and democratic. If it’s good enough for “Jewish State”…

      • Marnie
        November 28, 2014, 12:27 am

        I need to correct my error in that paragraph African Americans mainly suffered at the hands of the klan, were ritually mutilated, lynched and often times burned. As far as I know, Jews, with one notable exception being businessman Leo Frank in 1915, were despised, but otherwise did not suffer at the hands of the KKK.

        “Many American Jews saw Frank as an American Alfred Dreyfus.[100] In part because Frank was the president of the B’nai B’rith chapter in Atlanta, Georgia, Adolph Kraus, president of B’nai B’rith, invited 15 prominent members in Chicago to form the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith in September 1913, one month after Frank’s conviction.” http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo Frank

        So now it’s safe for Jews to join the klan – oh joy!

  13. seanmcbride
    November 27, 2014, 2:39 pm

    Ok,

    Back in August 15, 2014, many Palestinian leaders did in fact express “solidarity with the people of Ferguson”:

    Palestinians express “solidarity with the people of Ferguson” in Mike Brown statement http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rana-baker/palestinians-express-solidarity-people-ferguson-mike-brown-statement

    Perhaps they still feel that way after the grand jury decision and the latest riots — in which the main problem was not police brutality, but the lack of police presence.

    If they do, they will have handed Republicans a major political opportunity to exploit. Palestinians are not likely to advance their cause in the United States by becoming entangled in problematic controversies like Ferguson.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 27, 2014, 3:48 pm

      sean, if you followed the people i follow on twitter you’d have known the reaction from palestinians was instantaneous and overwhelming.

      If they do, they will have handed Republicans a major political opportunity to exploit. Palestinians are not likely to advance their cause in the United States by becoming entangled in problematic controversies like Ferguson.

      i disagree. people, like reggie bush, like killer mike in the video i posted, know this is about oppression. people in power seek to divide the oppressed, just like they don’t want people making a connection between south africa and israeli apartheid. this train has already left the station a long long time ago. the bonds between palestinians and the black community were embolden a long long time ago (google malcolmX/palestine or black panther/palestine) and continue to this day.

      you need to realize ” problematic controversies like Ferguson.” are not about ferguson, they are about a system of oppression all over our country that extend to many places in the world. this is beyond republicans and democrats, it is about systematic oppression by a global minority. the tactics used in ferguson, the training of those police officers is the same training offered to police across the country and in many places in the world.

      when the WOT started and we got a department of homeland security funds to support and train local police stations (fighting crime) shrunk and federal money was poured into states and towns all across the country to fight homegrown/domestic terrorism (fighting terror). that’s part of where all this comes from. and it’s ruining this country for all of us. anyone who doesn’t think it will impact their lives should wake up. ferguson is a “controversy” like the civil rights movement was a controversy or apartheid is a controversy or genocide is a controversy or habeas corpus is a controversy or trial without jury of your peers is a controversy. iow, this is not a controversy, it’s a travesty of justice.

      and like any right worth having, it should apply to the weakest chain in the link. brown is considered, by you, a weak link because of his size, his race, shoplifting, “thug” whatever! his killer should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law and brown’s defense attorney’s should have been able to question him. instead the victim was put on trial.

      • seanmcbride
        November 27, 2014, 5:26 pm

        Annie,

        I agree completely about the systematic oppression that is occurring against many black communities in the United States by largely white police departments — that is an urgent issue to address.

        What makes the Michael Brown controversy problematic, in my opinion, is that Republicans will have a field day in exploiting the many weaknesses in the case — for instance, according to the grand jury, Brown physically assaulted Darren Wilson (punched him in the face) and then wrestled for Wilson’s gun in a menacing way. I don’t know what city you live in, but in my city that behavior will quite likely get you righteously killed in the eyes of the judicial system. No sane person grabs for a cop’s gun in a way that is threatening towards the cop.

        We also have a situation in which Michael Brown’s stepfather egged on the rioters who destroyed many Ferguson businesses by arson, looting and vandalism. No doubt those business owners, and the employees of those businesses, are feeling a great deal of *DISGUST* and anger on this Thanksgiving about the crimes that were committed against them and their community by a violent mob.

        I think the plight of the Palestinians in the occupied territories is much worse than that of blacks in Ferguson and similar American cities. I don’t see what they have to gain from associating the Palestinian cause with the Michael Brown case, which is incredibly messy from a political standpoint. I’ve seen the Brown family’s lawyer in recent days be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey by sharp-minded and skeptical questioners across all the major media outlets. He has definitely been on his heels in trying to defend Brown — he is floundering and sinking fast.

        Seriously: aren’t there more righteous and solid cases than this one to use to pump up national political energy for necessary police reform with regard to African-American communities? I am glad I waited for most of the facts to come out about Michael Brown before joining a crusade to defend him and avenge his death. And I am still waiting for more facts to come to light.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 27, 2014, 6:12 pm

        Brown physically assaulted Darren Wilson (punched him in the face) and then wrestled for Wilson’s gun in a menacing way.

        sean, there was no trial. i’m not engaging in trial by innuendo. i asked a question earlier here, , “Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson?” http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/justiceformikebrown-ferguson-palestine#comment-725916

        try answering that.

      • Mooser
        November 27, 2014, 7:05 pm

        “Brown physically assaulted Darren Wilson (punched him in the face) and then wrestled for Wilson’s gun in a menacing way.”

        Officer Wilson was in a car, an SUV, with a radio. All he had to do was use his radio and his car. Instead, he used his gun, and shot Brown down.
        What a bunch of crap. IF Brown was such a bad dude, all Wilson had to do was stay in the car, and use his radio. Remember, he fired his first shots from in the car

        I’ve never seen such a bunch of cop-suckers.

      • just
        November 27, 2014, 7:52 pm

        “Officer Wilson was in a car, an SUV”

        Just like wannabe cop George Zimmerman…

      • Jackdaw
        November 28, 2014, 3:49 am

        So if a cop gets punched in the face by a robbery suspect, he’s supposed to sit in his car and wait?

        No. He’s supposed to exit his police car and order the suspect to get on the ground (so the suspect doesn’t cause any more mayhem) until police backup arrives.

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 2:22 pm

        Jackdaw– he’s supposed to call for back-up. I know that’s probably foreign to you seeing as the IOF snipes unarmed Palestinians, and shoots to kill~ only to lie about it later.

      • jayn0t
        November 30, 2014, 6:39 pm

        Here’s the reason the grand jury refused to charge Darren Wilson – the witness statements against him wouldn’t stand up in court: http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2014-11-27-US–Ferguson-Grand%20Jury-Inconsistencies/id-4e9a6bd0434d4354889aea91c28dd462

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 8:16 pm

        thanks for providing documentation that instead of doing his job and acting like a prosecutor, Bob McCulloch, by his very own statements demonstrated he was acting more as wilson’s defense attorney.

        he was protecting wilson. just because the witnesses stories contradicted the evidence doesn’t mean there wasn’t plenty of evidence there to convict wilson. like those shots to the victims head. lots of criminals are convicted on evidence with no eye witnesses. wilson should have been cross examined because his stories don’t add up either, and he wasn’t because there was no trial. the victim deserved his day in court, and he didn’t get one.

    • jayn0t
      November 30, 2014, 11:18 am

      This is a reply to “Marnie” above. Small correction – Leo Frank wasn’t murdered by the Klan, and he wasn’t murdered for being Jewish. He had been convicted of raping a minor, and his death sentence had been commuted. In The Georgia public was pro-death, so it abducted him from prison and hanged him from a tree. The Anti-Defamation League has been trying to paint this as the one anti-semitic lynching in American history ever since.

      • Jackdaw
        November 30, 2014, 1:43 pm

        Leo Frank was convicted murder only. There hadn’t been a rape. He was convicted based on perjured testimony.

        Decades after Frank’s lynching, a man admitted that he was an eyewitness and that the building’s janitor had murdered the young woman.

      • American
        November 30, 2014, 1:43 pm

        I agree on the Leo Franks case. I looked up the trial proceedings when it came up here before.
        Frank’s defense main strategy was to claim it was a black boy who worked at the office who killed the girl.
        At that time, given the racism toward blacks, if there had been any way the jury could have been convinced a black boy did it instead of a Jew they would have preferred to convict the black for it. That they couldn’t find a way to buy the black boy did it indicates the evidence against Frank was too overwhelming.

      • tree
        November 30, 2014, 8:56 pm

        Leo Frank was convicted murder only. There hadn’t been a rape. He was convicted based on perjured testimony.

        Decades after Frank’s lynching, a man admitted that he was an eyewitness and that the building’s janitor had murdered the young woman.

        It’s true that Frank was not convicted of rape, although the circumstances of the murder implied an attempted rape, statutory or forced, of the 14 year old girl.

        The man who “admitted” being an eyewitness only claimed that he saw Jim Conley, the black man who admitted to being Frank’s accomplish in hiding the body, carrying Phagan’s dead body. His decades later story makes little sense since he was a white boy who claimed he didn’t come forward during the trial because he was threatened by Conley, who had been in jail from shortly after the crime was committed. Hard to believe that a white boy would have been too afraid to speak out against a black man who was already in jail. Also, he was in serious financial shape due to health problems when he came forward decades later and was apparently “discovered” by an author who had a strong bias toward believing that Frank was the innocent victim of anti-semitism.

        I likewise read the documents and its apparent that there was considerable evidence that Frank was indeed the murderer. There indeed was been some measure of anti-semitism in Georgia during the time, but it does not appear from the record to have been a major factor in the trial itself, despite what northern papers of the time tried to imply.

        As for the lynching, I’m not convinced that anti-semitism was a factor in that either. Most lynching victims in the South at the time were of course black but there were quite a few white men who were lynched during that period as well. Given the South’s paternalism of the time, many of the white lynching victims were men who were believed to have raped or murdered young white girls, which exactly matches Frank’s crime.

        When Frank’s death sentence was commuted to life by the outgoing Georgia governor, Georgia citizens from Marietta, Mary Phagan’s hometown, some of them quite prominent, took the law into their own hands and lynched him.

        For anyone with a curiosity about the case I would recommend looking here:

        http://www.leofrank.info/

        Important note: There are other sites with similar names which have an anti-semitic bent to them. The one does not and it includes the most primary sources for information on the trial and its atmosphere.

  14. 666
    November 27, 2014, 5:25 pm

    The utter desperation by left wing to equate ferguson and the palestinians makes my skin crawl
    the hypocrisy,the hypocrisy

    Who is next?the poor little green men from mars,-as if green offends

    whats going on this site

    first the german white incite

    now this trash……..recruiting football players for pro palestinian propaganda

    • just
      November 28, 2014, 2:21 pm

      There are none so blind as those who will not see…

  15. seanmcbride
    November 27, 2014, 6:57 pm

    Annie,

    You’re right — there has been no trial, we can’t be absolutely certain that Michael Brown assaulted Darren Wilson and tried to seize Wilson’s gun, there may be serious problems with the official police story, and our understanding of the facts could be overturned in the future in light of new information.

    But as matters stand now, the narrative about Brown has unfolded in the mainstream media in a way that has undermined his moral authority as a political and cultural symbol — many Americans have formed negative impressions — and were also turned off by the destructive rioting, arson, looting and vandalism that were egged by Brown’s stepfather.

    Purely from the standpoint of offering pragmatic political advice, I would argue that this is too sketchy a situation in which to invest much political capital — look for more righteous situations that haven’t been so muddied by moral ambiguity — there are plenty of them. And I don’t see how Palestinians can come out ahead by getting involved in this controversy.

    Feel free to disagree — we have different perspectives on several issues, as it should be.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 28, 2014, 1:42 pm

      Purely from the standpoint of offering pragmatic political advice…Feel free to disagree

      it’s obvious i’m free to disagree with you sean, you don’t ever need to remind me of that. as for your “pragmatic advice”, “Americans [who] have formed negative impressions” of brown or his family, do not share my understanding of the fundamentals of the struggle nor are they my focus.

      Purely from the standpoint of offering you pragmatic political advice, global problems are tackled by nurturing and empowering the roots of the grass. “Americans [who] have formed negative impressions” of brown or his family are not the roots of the grass.

  16. just
    November 27, 2014, 7:05 pm
    • a blah chick
      November 27, 2014, 7:38 pm

      Yep, Megatron did our home town heroes proud. Bush is still injured and did not play so the ADL did not have him to kick around today.

  17. seanmcbride
    November 27, 2014, 7:42 pm

    Mooser,

    Have you bothered reading the grand jury report? — apparently not.

    According to the report, Michael Brown reached into the car, punched Darren Wilson twice, grabbed his arm and hand and was overpowering him — that is when the first shots were fired. Wilson had no opportunity to make a radio call — he was instantly locked in a struggle for his life. I wonder how you would handle a situation like that — putting yourself in the place of Wilson. Any thoughts? Would you permit Brown to take your gun? What do you think he would do with it?

    By the way, I am watching the Brown family’s lawyer, Daryl Parks, being interviewed on TV as I type this, and being asked to respond to these points — and he is being crushed — he is offering no meaningful responses. His performance has been farcical — and this is the lead guy trying to put a positive spin on Michael Brown’s behavior.

    Regarding the arson, looting and vandalism that has occurred in Ferguson, look carefully at this appalling video:

    Surveillance Video Shows Looters Hitting Ferguson Market and Trying to Torch It – 11/26/14
    http://uneditedpolitics.com/surveillance-video-shows-looters-hitting-ferguson-market-and-trying-to-torch-it-112614/

    The fact that Fox News acquired the video (an outfit that I detest) doesn’t alter the facts that the video presents.

  18. just
    November 27, 2014, 9:00 pm

    “BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — 10 Palestinian students returned to the West Bank this week from a tour of more than 40 colleges across the United States where they spoke about the challenges facing Palestinians in their quests to achieve their right to an education.

    The two-week tour, held from Nov. 10-20 under the banner “Building Unity, Wrecking Walls” as part of the Right to Education campaign at Birzeit University, was one of the first of its kind in recent memory.

    It was all the more striking for its insistence on discussing both Israeli obstacles against the Palestinian right to education as well as the challenges faced by youths of color in the United States.

    Coming amid mass protests across the United States against police brutality in the wake of the killing of Mike Brown, a black youth from the state of Missouri who was unarmed and posed little threat to police when they shot him, the tour emphasized the need not only to share Palestinians’ experiences with Americans but also to “exchange information between Palestinians and US social movements fighting related issues of racism, colonialism, and attacks on education.”

    Kristian Davis Bailey, a Stanford alumni and the US coordinator of the tour, told Ma’an that the tour “was designed to demonstrate that people and movements in the US also need the support of Palestinians, and for students from both locations to begin thinking about what ongoing relationships and joint struggle across borders might look like.”

    He quoted one of the students on the tour, Mahmoud Doughlas, as telling him: “We tried to connect the dots between the struggles between the African American society and the Palestinians and we found this major solid ground that we share together — it’s that we are not allowed to narrate our own history.”

    Indeed, for many of the Palestinian students the tour revealed a side of the US and its history that they scarcely knew existed. Bailey pointed out that the silencing of the voices in the United States shared many parallels with the struggles faced by Palestinian voices in reaching the global community.

    “Israel and its hasbara machine have worked very hard to define the narrative of Palestinians and to obscure the injustices of the occupation,” he told Ma’an.

    “This tour allowed Palestinians to shatter those walls and present their own unfiltered narratives to American audiences. Once people hear what’s actually happening, it becomes clear that pressure against these violations through BDS is the least we can do. Understanding the parallels and connections between Palestinians and peoples’ struggles in the US provides some inspiration for joint struggle for us to undertake together.”

    The students’ tour across the United States, which covered five regions, began at a vigil in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson for Mike Brown, where the 10 Palestinian students gathered to pay their respects and meet with local activists working against police brutality and the mass incarceration of black youths.

    Deema al-Saafin, a senior at Birzeit University who took part in the tour, said that her experience had shown her that the obstacles faced by Ferguson activists were surprisingly similar to those they experienced back home.

    “The Palestinian struggle is not a unique one and is part of the broader imperialist-colonialist struggle that many people worldwide are victims of. Thus Palestinians cannot resist alone, and local resistance should be paired with international resistance,” she told Ma’an after returning to the West Bank.”

    much more @ http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=743227

    • jayn0t
      November 30, 2014, 6:48 pm

      “The Palestinian struggle is not a unique one and is part of the broader imperialist-colonialist struggle that many people worldwide are victims of.”

      Thanks for this. One couldn’t hope for a more succint explanation of why the Palestinian struggle has been so unsuccessful. It’s because it’s dominated by the anti-imperialist, anti-white-gentile left. The Palestinian struggle IS a unique one. It’s the only struggle against overt, legalized, official racial oppression by a Western country today. Attempting to deny this by amalgamating it with much less serious and more complex issues like minority poverty and police violence in the USA is guaranteed to continue this failure.

      I hope Reggie Bush gets over his injuries and gets back to doing what he’s good at.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 8:05 pm

        dominated by the anti white gentile left? what are you talking about?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 8:12 pm

        The Palestinian struggle IS a unique one. It’s the only struggle against overt, legalized, official racial oppression by a Western country today.

        i’m really not understanding how you can call israel’s crimes against humanity “legalized” but aside from that the Palestinian struggle can easily be both unique, the worst and longest running occupation in existence today, and at the same time be part of a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle. there’s no contradiction there.

      • seanmcbride
        November 30, 2014, 8:50 pm

        Annie wrote: “The Palestinian struggle [is] part of a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle.”

        Do you see Palestinians and African-Americans in Ferguson (and America in general) as both being “part of a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle”?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 9:41 pm

        i don’t see african americans as part of a colonialist struggle, no.

      • jayn0t
        November 30, 2014, 9:37 pm

        “the worst and longest running occupation in existence today, and at the same time be part of a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle”. Nope. The current problem in Palestine started when it was abandoned by imperialism and colonialism – British imperialism and colonalism – and occupied by Jews. However, the term ‘the occupation’ is always used to mean just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip – as if occupying Ramallah is less legitimate than occupying Haifa, which is in Israel ‘proper’.

        ‘dominated by the anti white gentile left? what are you talking about?’: see my numerous online articles about the myth of contemporary white racism. For example, my response to ‘Dissident Voice’, ‘Yes, the West is Comparatively Racism Free’.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 11:59 pm

        a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle”. Nope. The current problem in Palestine started when it was abandoned by imperialism

        clearly we have different views of zionist if you do not believe it is a colonialist movement.

        the term ‘the occupation’ is always used to mean just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip

        not always by everyone, at all.

      • oldgeezer
        December 1, 2014, 12:51 am

        “Yes, the West is Comparatively Racism Free’.”

        Sorry but that’s a real cop out. Essentially it means it’s not at all free of racism but since there’s worse we’ll pretend we’re the good guys.

        Something is either racism free or it’s racist. There’s no half measures to considering fellow human beings as equal human beings.

      • jayn0t
        December 1, 2014, 10:55 am

        oldgeezer – ‘Something is either racism free or it’s racist.’ No, that’s unrealistic. South Africa today isn’t racism free, but it’s a helluva lot less racist than it was under apartheid. Same with all the other Western countries, bar one.

    • jayn0t
      November 30, 2014, 7:02 pm

      “exchange information between Palestinians and US social movements fighting related issues of racism, colonialism, and attacks on education.”?

      This kind of thing is hopelessly ineffective for the Palestinian cause. In the first place, it’s simply not true that Palestinians and Americans face anything like the same issues. In the second place, the only way Palestinians can win is by convincing ordinary Western people that the vast majority of them have no interest in supporting the Jewish state at all. This is not achieved by resurrecting Mao Zedong and haranguing Joe Sixpack for having ‘white privilege’, and I suspect some of the loud leftists who dominate Palestine solidarity know this.

      • jayn0t
        December 1, 2014, 10:53 am

        Annie – ‘clearly we have different views of zionist if you do not believe it is a colonialist movement’. ‘Colonialism’ refers to nations occupying areas of the world by force, such as the British Empire. Which nation is Israel a colony of?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 12:53 pm

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism

        Colonialism is the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colony in one territory by a political power from another territory. It is a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous population.

        the territory being colonized is palestine (hence “occupied palestinian territory”),the indigenous population are the palestinians.

        the territory of the colonizers came from was primarily europe and russia but currently it’s primarily a US project and colony of US elites (“a political power”) today. that’s why people who want to please US elites and run for office in the US need to first agree to support our colonialist project and to a lessor extent pay fealty to “a political power” (represented by lobby).

        Which nation is Israel a colony of?

        the “political power from another territory” would be from zionist/elites of the “nation” of jewish people in the diaspora. again, primarily US. just follow the money jay, it’s not that complicated. those colonies popping up all over the WB, they cost money. so does the military and security forces protecting/sustaining/expanding them.

      • eljay
        December 1, 2014, 1:33 pm

        >> jayn0t: Which nation is Israel a colony of?

        The Jewish nation (occasionally also referred to as a tribe, a collective, an ethnicity, a religion, a people and a civilization).

        Israel did not exist; efforts were made by members of the Jewish nation to colonize Palestine and establish a “Jewish State”; and now Israel exists.

        This colony-turned-nation is now a colonialist enterprise in its own right, seeking to maximize its size (incl. its control of resources). As far as I can tell* this is being done for the benefit of the Jewish nation within and without Israel.

        (*I could be mistaken, but I don’t believe that Israel’s colonialism and expansionism are for the benefit of the non-Jewish nations within and without Israel.)

  19. kalithea
    November 27, 2014, 11:43 pm

    Whether or not you believe Mike Brown physically threatened Wilson you can’t deny that racism was involved when that police officer responded to a young man who shoplifted with such brutal, fatal overkill. Whenever someone overkills there’s alot of hatred involved. Disproportion is the irrational response of racial hatred. Disproportionate violence is a by-product of INEQUALITY; it is a flaw in the justice system of a racist state.

    Disproportionate force is and should be considered a crime against humanity. You could say Mike Brown is Gaza although Gaza retaliate against Israel for freedom from oppression. In Ferguson you have a police force that is disproportionately white – that in itself is a form of oppression; an injustice that breeds resentment and violence. Mike Brown is a victim of disproportionate force; he is a victim of injustice; he is a victim of oppression despite what he did or did not do and in this sense Reggie Bush is right on in connecting the two.

    I too thought Palestine when I witnessed what was going on in Ferguson. It makes my stomach churn to see white race force coralling blacks and trying to suppress their right to equality and the same goes when I see IDF and Zionist police slaughter Palestinian protestors without a second thought with irrational, disproportionate force. In any language that spells racial/ethnic H-A-T-E.

    More black people need to get with the Free Palestine movement. There is a kindred suffering there.

    • jayn0t
      November 30, 2014, 9:26 pm

      The Guardian agrees with Annie in describing the events in Missouri as a symptom of ‘racism’: ‘These days, we have “racism without racists”, as the sociologist Eduardo Bonilla-Silva puts it’:
      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/30/darren-wilson-ferguson-retirement-fear

      It fails to mention that Bonilla-Silva is one of the eighty-eight professors at Duke University who signed a statement that three white students were guilty of rape, solely on the basis that they were accused by a black woman. Though her allegation was clearly false, the university, the local police, the DA, and most of the national media, repeated her lies. The case of the Duke three is far more clearly a case of racial discrimination than the shooting of Michael Brown. Their ethnicity (plus their gender and supposed economic advantages) worked against them, in the hysterical liberal atmosphere of modern America.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 1:55 am

        The Guardian agrees with Annie in describing the events in Missouri as a symptom of ‘racism’

        jay, that’s the “comment is free” section so it’s really not accurate to represent this op ed as what the guardian thinks or agrees with, it’s just one writer.

        …Annie .. describing the events in Missouri as a symptom of ‘racism’

        and if you’re going to reference my ptv don’t put words in my mouth i didn’t use, try reading my comments first.

    • jayn0t
      December 1, 2014, 8:08 pm

      To Annie: that’s a well-argued reply, but sorry, Israel is not colonialism. Wikipedia uses the vague term ‘territory’, and Chomsky and co. have replaced the concept “bourgeoisie” with the vaguer and more politically acceptable term “elites”:

      “the territory of the colonizers came from was primarily europe and russia but currently it’s primarily a US project and colony of US elites”

      Then Israel is not a colony of a “territory”, let alone a nation.

      “zionist/elites of the “nation” of jewish people in the diaspora”

      Are Jewish people being oppressed by their ‘elites’ too?

      “support our colonialist project and to a lessor extent pay fealty to “a political power” (represented by lobby)”

      No, it’s the other way round. Israel is not a colonialist project of the vague “elites”. It’s the imposition of racial supremacy by some Jews (some rich, some poor), supported by many Jews. Many gentiles also support them. They are making a mistake – most Americans, rich and poor, have no interest in the Jewish state. The ‘lobby’ is not ‘to a lessor extent’!

      Do look up my “Faithful Circle” on Dissident Voice. And Jeff Blankfort, and Michael Neumann. And of course, Gilad Atzmon.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 8:40 pm

        Wikipedia uses the vague term ‘territory’…Israel is not a colony of a “territory”, let alone a nation.

        i never claimed israel was a colony of a territory and neither did wiki. read again, the operative words being “by a political power” from a territory.

        Colonialism is the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colony in one territory by a political power from another territory.

        israel is a colony of a political power, it has always gotten the power to sustain itself from outside it’s borders. from Palestine Jewish Colonization Association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Jewish_Colonization_Association, later transforming into the JNF to the nuclear program (ripped off from the US) to the billions shoveled thru congress who serve at the bidding of the lobby on all things israel and beyond.

        if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it’s a duck. and the next time adelson&ilk holds court in vegas so all the gop hopefuls can come kiss his ring i’ll remember “to a lessor extent” they are not paying fealty to “the lobby”. the lobby including those think tanks and programs he/they supports with unlimited resources so these entities can survive and thrive. and those same ilk call up university administrations to administer orders on hiring and firing of faculty.

        now, i look forward to you asserting there is no outside political power propping up their colony called israel. and what a miracle it is the congress votes 100-0 because they all just love israel. oh wait, if they didn’t they probably wouldn’t be in office anyway.

      • jayn0t
        December 2, 2014, 1:22 am

        Reply to Annie – you say that Israel is a colony of “a political power” within various “territories”. OK – in that case, Israel is a colony of Jewish supremacy within Western countries.

        “now, i look forward to you asserting there is no outside political power propping up their colony called israel”

        I don’t say if this political power is ‘outside’. As long as you call it what it is – Jewish ethnic power – and don’t hide this by confusing it with Western “imperialism, racism, and colonialism”, like the left-wing-dominated Palestine solidarity movement currently does, I have no problem calling it a ‘colony’.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 2, 2014, 2:16 am

        As long as you call it what it is – Jewish ethnic power – and don’t hide this by confusing it with….. “….colonialism”, … I have no problem calling it a ‘colony’.

        hmm. you have no problem w/calling it a colony of Jewish power as long as we don’t call it colonialism? not sure if that will fly, logically…since that is the definition of colonialism.

        you: “Israel is a colony of Jewish supremacy within Western countries.”

        wiki: Colonialism is the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colony in one territory by a political power from another territory.

        once you eliminate “the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion” what’s left is

        Colonialism is colony (israel) in one territory (palestine) by a political power (Jewish supremacy) from another territory (Western countries).

        so, unless you contest israel’s “establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion”, it completely fits the definition.

        but i appreciate your thoughtful response.

  20. kalithea
    November 27, 2014, 11:49 pm

    Just another thought.

    The question really is: What happened to humanity? I don’t know about you all, but I ask myself this question every day.

  21. just
    November 28, 2014, 7:38 am

    “NABLUS (Ma’an) — An Italian was critically injured on Friday afternoon after Israeli forces opened live fire on a protest march in the village of Kafr Qaddum west of Nablus.

    Palestinian Minister of Health Jawad Awwad told Ma’an that an Italian solidarity activist he identified as Prodo Corsi, 30, was injured after Israeli forces fired several bullets at him in the stomach and chest.

    The minister said that Corsi was in “critical” condition as a result of the shooting, which took place during a protest march against the Israeli occupation.

    Awwad said that “shooting live fire at the upper part of the bodies of protesters is directly targeting them and is a deliberate attempt at murder.”

    “Israel does not differentiate between foreign solidarity activists, Palestinians, or even journalists,” he added.”

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=743339

    Wonder what Italy will say…

    • eljay
      November 28, 2014, 7:55 am

      >> just: An Italian was critically injured on Friday afternoon after Israeli forces opened live fire on a protest march in the village of Kafr Qaddum west of Nablus. Palestinian Minister of Health Jawad Awwad told Ma’an that an Italian solidarity activist he identified as Prodo Corsi, 30, was injured after Israeli forces fired several bullets at him in the stomach and chest.

      Had a Palestinian been involved, Zio-supremacists would have dismissed the incident as “Pallywood”. Since an Italian was involved, does that make it “Italywood”?

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 2:18 pm

        good question. A Palestinian was also shot in the chest with live fire:

        “The International Solidarity Movement, an activist group whose members frequently attend Palestinian protests to monitor the actions of Israeli soldiers, confirmed the shooting in a statement, adding that an 18-year-old Palestinian was also shot in the chest with live bullets.

        “The Italian activist, known as Patrick, was wearing a yellow high visibility jacket when he was shot,” the statement said.

        “We were standing with a group of Palestinian demonstrators when Patrick was shot. The military had fired three rounds of tear gas, and then a shot rang out and Patrick stumbled back. There was between five and ten minutes from the last tear gas canister fired and the bullet that shot Patrick.”

        “He was just standing there, peacefully protesting, wearing a hi-viz jacket, he wasn’t doing anything and they just decided to shoot him,” the statement quoted an ISM volunteer at the scene as saying.

        The statement added that 10 Palestinian protesters were wounded by rubber-coated steel bullets at the protest in addition to 18-year-old Sami Jumma who was struck by live fire.

        “The bullet entered Patrick’s chest near a main blood vessel, but thankfully did not puncture it. If God forbid it had, the lengthened journey to the hospital because of the closed road could have cost Patrick his life,” ISM media coordinator Ally Cohen was quoted in the statement as saying.

        Due to an Israeli closure of Kafr Qaddum’s main road to Nablus, the travel time to the nearest hospital is around 30 minutes instead of 10.”

        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=743339&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    • Walid
      November 28, 2014, 7:58 am

      Italy will express deep regrets and say something to the effect that its citizen should not have been in a fire zone.

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 8:15 am

        I certainly hope not, Walid. I hope that this does not go the way of Rachel Corrie, RIP.

        They shot to kill.

  22. aiman
    November 28, 2014, 9:07 am

    Interesting comments. I think this case has multiple layers. It is larger than a shooting case, indicts the growing use of weapons and trigger-happy ways of settling issues. It also includes issues such as bullying. The Asian businesses primarily targeted are invisible; only black and white faces are shown as relevant. I think the issues of disenfranchisement of a particular group corresponds to injustice in general so the point of Palestine is relevant.

  23. traintosiberia
    November 28, 2014, 9:11 am

    Recent activities and adoption of new mission by KKK are pregnant with all kinds of pathetic ,destructive,and genocidal possibilities . They have learnt from Europe . The target of the KKK may soon could be the Muslim and anyone looking like muslim( Sikhs, Nation of Islam ..) . Ultra right wing factions of various names and designations have spread across Western Europe. They now collude with the very people once whom they denounced and killed . Those people ,having been elevated by the combination of the economic ,political ,and cultural changes and often by massive forces of negative depiction of the entire race,religion,and culture that now depict the old Christian European history.
    So it is not at all surprising to learn KKK is working with the Jews . Islamophobia in this country is Jewish in origin The sand in the eye is the presence of the intent to reach to the blacks as well. That is just a distraction.

    • traintosiberia
      November 28, 2014, 9:21 am

      By letting KKK take over the dirty job of islamophobia and same time mainstreaming the KKK, the Jewish lobbies can safely watch from sidelines the dances of evil across American cities with Muslim population. They don’t have to dance and be identified or caught in the action. Park 51 showed how a fringe element can go mainstream and become a White -Christian phenomenon. Sweet ADL then will try to be the arbiter and try to mediate or even periodically denounce the anti Islamophobic violence . Sure a lot of Muslim will fall for that .
      It will become a microcosm of what’s happening now in Middle East . The current violences among the sects,tribes,and religions have replaced the violences between broader Arab groups and Jews but the result remain same . Only thing that is positive Jews don’t die defending themselves . Others die and keep the Israeli safe and secure .
      KKK could change the dynamics to that direction. Jews won’t be blamed for the islamophobia or religious wars between Christiand Muslims but the fight will continue . The Jews will become the defender of both depending on the narrative and the politics of the countries concerned .

  24. RobertB
    November 28, 2014, 10:15 am

    Michael Brown was Killed Because He Didn’t Prostrate Himself to Police Authority

    This Killing, in Combat, Would Have Been a War Crime

    By Dave Lindorf

    November 27, 2014 “ICH” – “This Can’t Be Happening!”

    “Let’s recall the most crucial evidence in this killing: According to the New York Times it was two shots into the top of the head by Officer Wilson that killed Brown — shots that multiple witnesses confirm were fired after the unarmed Brown was on his knees, already seriously wounded by four other apparently non-lethal shots to arm, neck and upper right chest, with his hands raised and pleading “Don’t shoot.” The Times also reports that those shots, apparently fired when Brown’s head was leaning forward, or from a position above him, appeared to have been fired “not from close range,” a determination based upon an absence of gun powder residue around the area of the entry wounds.

    It should not matter in the slightest whether or not Brown had first struck Officer Wilson inside his squad car during a scuffle, as claimed by the cop, or even that the officer, as he testified in an unusual appearance before jurors, “felt terrified” at that time. Nor does it matter, beyond being evidence of an inherent racism, that Wilson says he thought that Brown, approaching him at his car initially, “looked like a demon.” If the non-lethal shots that first hit Brown in arm, neck and upper chest had been fired at that early point, perhaps Wilson would have been justified in firing them in self defense, but it’s what happened after Brown tried to leave the scene that matter.
    This is because Brown, multiple witnesses testified, was down on his knees posing no threat whatsoever to the armed officer when Wilson killed him with at least two shots to the head.

    That was not a defensive action by Officer Wilson. It was an execution plain and simple — a punishment for Brown’s having allegedly struck the officer earlier, for his attempt to leave the scene of conflict, and perhaps also for Brown’s initial refusal to obey the officer’s order to get out of the middle of the road, which was reportedly the original reason the officer initiated a confrontation with Brown.

    That the jury exonerated Wilson speaks volumes about the sorry, racist state of American society and about the sorry state of the US justice system, where citizens charged with looking into whether a murder has been committed will give a pass to a cop who clearly crossed the line and behaved in a manner that, even in war-time, would punishable as a war crime, which is what the Geneva Conventions term the slaying of a combatant whose hands are raised in the universally understood sign of surrender.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40339.htm

    • just
      November 28, 2014, 12:10 pm

      True. Thanks RobertB.

      “…even in war-time, would punishable as a war crime, which is what the Geneva Conventions term the slaying of a combatant whose hands are raised in the universally understood sign of surrender.””

      Exceptions given if you are an IOF goon…or border guard…or Israeli police…or a “settler”… or any of the armed citizen militia supported by the GoI.

  25. seanmcbride
    November 28, 2014, 12:19 pm

    American,

    The two main questions that need to be dealt with regarding Michael Brown and Ferguson:

    1. What really happened? Did Michael Brown in fact physically assault Darren Wilson and try to take his gun? What are the facts?

    2. Can this incident be used to effectively energize activism for civil and human rights? Could it backfire? What impact have the scenes of rioting, arson, looting and vandalism had on the attitudes of the American public? Are there more worthy incidents to focus on, publicize and mobilize against?

    My impression is that the circumstances is this case are problematic — and too easy to exploit by the political opposition. In recent days we seen the Brown family’s lawyer being repeatedly hammered in the mainstream media by skeptical interviewers — without an effective response.

    Using Ferguson as a propaganda meme to attack Israel and Zionism is rather a leap. More effective lines of argument are available.

    By the way, the complaint from all political quarters during the last outburst of riots has been that *insufficient* police force was used to quell them — not too much. You need to get your narrative together.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 28, 2014, 2:04 pm

      the complaint from all political quarters during the last outburst of riots has been that *insufficient* police force was used to quell them — not too much.

      how completely unsurprising.

      You need to get your narrative together.

      to what? to align w/current police narrative and the “political quarters” who agree with them? seriously sean, pragmatic advise: you’re sounding exceedingly establishment, you need to get your narrative together.

      • American
        November 28, 2014, 5:12 pm

        Sean,

        As I told you before=== your narrative is always exactly like the zio bot supremest on here who are always telling us and the Palestines to submit to higher power and authority– that we can ‘t beat the elite machine–that we arent smart enough to defeat the brilliant Zio mafia or the brilliant neocons and how its all about getting our talking points together and picking the right fights and ”debating’ the machine..and all the other un-certified babble in your pathetic ‘posturing’ as a ‘strategist and political analyst .

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 5:23 pm

        american, i was just reading a link seafoid just posted on another thread about Arafat Jaradat, the man tortured to death by israel in 2013. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/lieberman-unveils-palestinians/comment-page-1#comment-726181 (must read by amira hass) and i thought to myself, sean’s “pragmatic advice” would be not to use jaradat as an example because he threw stones or possibly molotov cocktails and therefore he might not be sympathetic to these americans we should be impressing, or something.

        your narrative is always exactly like the zio bot supremest on here who are always telling us and the Palestines to submit to higher power and authority– that we can ‘t beat the elite machine–

        i don’t think he can hear himself. or if he can he’s so impressed w/his own “pragmatism” he can’t hear us.

  26. seanmcbride
    November 28, 2014, 1:36 pm

    Annie,

    I have three comments in the current discussion sitting in moderation — any chance that they can be cleared?

    Thanks.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 28, 2014, 2:06 pm

      i just cleared the rest of the thread, at least 15 comments. holidays and all that. we’re way stacked up. gamal left you a message.

      • just
        November 28, 2014, 2:13 pm

        Thank you, Ms Annie. I hope that you had a nice Thanksgiving.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 6:58 pm

        i did just, thanks. i hope you did too.

  27. seanmcbride
    November 28, 2014, 2:20 pm

    Gamal,

    Are you good for the Palestinians?

    Again: I think dragging the Palestinian cause into the middle of heated conflicts about racial conflicts in American society — especially Ferguson — could easily backfire — the angry and negative energy surrounding these issues is formidable — and there continues to be legitimate disagreements about what really transpired between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson.

    Michael Brown is a thin reed on which to try to rev up American sympathy and enthusaism for Palestinian rights in the Israeli-occupied territories. But by all means try and see how it goes.

    There is something obscene about comparing the situation of minorities in Ferguson with that of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank — the conditions under which Palestinians live are truly horrific. One simply needs to review the photos and videos documenting the destruction of Gaza this last summer to understand this.

    • American
      November 29, 2014, 3:48 am

      And Sean..drop the bullshit about whether its good for the Palestines…..since when have you made the first statement about the plight of the Palestines.
      You’ve never made one.
      And all of sudden you expect anyone to buy you are concerned about what is good for the Palestine cause.
      You are so transparent, you are only trying to use this event to pontificate with fake expertise on political strategy and the ways of the elite political world.

  28. seanmcbride
    November 28, 2014, 5:49 pm

    American,

    You didn’t address any of the particular issues regarding Ferguson in this last comment of yours, for instance:

    1. Was Darren Wilson acting in legitimate self-defense when he shot Michael Brown? Did Brown in fact physically assault Wilson, use his 6’5″ 300-pound bulk to try to take Wilson’s gun, and then charge at Wilson? The grand jury, which included black members, apparently thinks this was the case. We know from the convenience store video that Brown liked to use his physical size to bully and intimidate others — it sounds like the kind of thing he might do.

    2. How have mainstream Americans reacted to the rioting, arson, looting and vandalism in Ferguson, which has been documented in depth on cable TV with endless colorful videos? Are they sympathetic?

    3. Contradictory charges are flying about: the police presence has been too strong in Ferguson and it has been too weak. Which is it? From the standpoint of the people who owned and were employed by the businesses that were destroyed, many of whom are minority members, the police response was much too weak. What do you think? How do feel about the anger of the people whose lives have been damaged by the rioters? I’ve noticed that NPR in recent days — hardly Fox News — has given that story major play.

    4. What is your take on Michael Brown’s stepfather and mother, and their lawyer? Are you keeping up with the news on that front? Checking out the videos? A video of Louis Head (the stepfather) has been receiving intensive play on cable TV news — that’s the one in which Head screams to “burn this motherfucker down” and “burn this bitch down” (referring to Ferguson).

    The latest on this story:

    “Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder has called for the arrest of the stepfather of Ferguson’s Michael Brown, following the emergence of video footage in which he was seen inciting rioters.

    Louis Head, was filmed telling angry mobs in Ferguson Monday to “burn this bi**h down,” after the grand jury announced no indictment for the police officer who shot and killed Brown.

    What followed was an intense night of rioting and looting, during which several buildings and vehicles were burned by agitators.”

    5. Do you think blacks in Ferguson and environs are being as sorely oppressed as Palestinians in Gaza? Are these really comparable situations in terms of human rights violations?

  29. American
    November 28, 2014, 6:12 pm

    This btw is the law and where it came from.

    ”Deadly force, as defined by the United States Armed Forces, is the force which a person uses, causing—or that a person knows, or should know, would create a substantial risk of causing—death, serious bodily harm or injury. In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed”…….. AFI 31-207 Arming and Use of Force by Air Force Personnel

    ”Under U.S. law the *fleeing felon rule* was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force “may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others……Tennessee v Garner

    A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead….
    —Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner

    Now here is where Wilson’s story was changed from the day of the shooting to the day he testified.

    # ”The Ferguson police clarified that Wilson did not know that Brown was a suspect in a robbery.”
    http://www.newsweek.com/how-strong-legal-case-against-darren-wilson-265675?piano_t=1

    # But Wilson after consultation with his police department later testified that he’ did know’ Brown was a suspect in a robbery.

    And the extra idiotic excuse Wilson offered for ‘chasing’ Brown was that:

    ”Wilson then proceeded to explain his rationale for why he chased Brown. He said he wanted to keep Brown “contained” until support arrived. He said he thought that if he could buy 30 seconds of time, until other officers arrived, they could “make the arrest, nothing happens, we are all good.”

    If you expecting ‘backup in 30 seconds’ you don’t need to contain the felon–who at that time was a felon only because he mouthed off and slapped a police officer —because Wilson did not know at that time he was the robbery suspect.

    Then we have ‘Wilson’s fear for his life” because Brown was such a giant of a man Wilson couldn’t handle him without a gun to protect himself from Brown.

    So of course it makes perfect sense!!!— to chase a enraged bull as Wilson described him, that he is deathly afraid, of instead of waiting for police backup.
    Please, this is a case of a pussy cop getting pissed because he got slapped and had his authority challenged— and by gawd was gonna get his attacker even if the guy was now running away and even if he had to kill him to get him.

    And all this whining about Wilson acting in self defense?—I might be the only person here who has actually had a loaded gun leveled on him by a enraged drunk and had to disarm him–so shut up unless you have had that experience.
    Because in that situation unless you are a retarded robot cop like Wilson evidently was, a dozen possible actions and endings flash thru your mind at the speed of light, in seconds—-if you have any sense at all you chose the course of action that is least likely to get you killed yourself or results in having to kill the other person.

    That is not what this pussy cop did—he had other ‘alternatives’ in apprehending his attacker and he didn’t use them. So I don’t want to hear any more of the self defense bullshit. Wilson should have stayed in his fucking car just like Zimmerman should have stayed in his fucking car.
    Brown would now be sitting in jail instead of dead and we wouldn’t be discussing yet another log thrown on the racial fire by a cop.

    • just
      November 28, 2014, 6:59 pm

      Very well said, American.

      Thank you.

      • seanmcbride
        November 28, 2014, 7:20 pm

        just,

        1. What is your take on Louis Head, Leslie McSpadden and Daryl Parks? Have you been following their media appearances and public statements? Is this a Martin Luther King moment or something quite different? Try Googling them for the latest developments.

        2. What do you think of the many complaints from Ferguson residents that law enforcement failed to exercise sufficient force to protect local businesses during the latest riots?

        3. Does Ferguson resemble Gaza in your mind? It doesn’t in mine.

    • seanmcbride
      November 28, 2014, 8:40 pm

      American,

      If you described a situation to police officers worldwide in which they were outnumbered 2 to 1, and were being punched, pinned down, wrestled for their gun, charged at by an enraged 6’5″ and 300 pound person, and fighting desperately for their lives, 99 out of 100 of them would say that they would keep shooting at that threat until they brought it down — immobilized it. You yourself would behave in the same way if you were trapped in a similar situation — nearly all of us would. Those who say otherwise are either fooling themselves or lying.

      Most of us have seen videos on cop reality shows in which precisely these kinds of situations erupt — they can be sudden and scary as hell.

      The Michael Brown who was revealed in the convenience store security video of the strong arm robbery, trying to intimidate and terrify a much smaller person by looming over and crowding him, is perfectly compatible with the menacing attacker that Darren Wilson and eyewitnesses described.

      Now, you can argue that the grand jury, which included blacks, got this story wrong — but you sure as hell can’t prove it — you can only engage in empty speculation. You weren’t sitting on the grand jury.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 28, 2014, 11:30 pm

        police officers worldwide … 99 out of 100 of them would say that they would keep shooting…nearly all of us would. Those who say otherwise are either fooling themselves or lying.

        there you go again, empowering your argument by claiming everyone would agree w/you (when what you mean is everyone who thinks like you). earth to sean, 99 out of 100 of us would not choose to be police officers (and you cannot speak for 99% of those who would, obviously).

        outnumbered 2 to 1, and were being punched, pinned down, wrestled for their gun, charged at by an enraged 6’5″ and 300 pound person…Most of us have seen videos on cop reality shows

        triple yawn. smirk, too cute. adopting the official narrative again sean, and right, those shows are sooo reality. you should really try getting off that pedestal. but, i do appreciate you showing your strips after all.

        you can only engage in empty speculation..

        and since there is no trial or cross examination, that is all you are doing sean. “you sure as hell can’t prove it” either.

      • seanmcbride
        November 28, 2014, 11:55 pm

        The “official narrative” — the proceedings produced by the grand jury — is the best information that the world currently has to work with in understanding the behavior of Michael Brown on that fateful day. If you have better information — more privileged inside information — please share.

        The air has gone completely out of the “Martin Luther King moment” hype about Brown. As I scanned the media today I noticed that we’ve gone from the charge that Darren Wilson, an allegedly racist cop, shot Brown in the back in an execution-style murder to the wish that Wilson had stayed in his car and radioed for help while Brown was attacking him — a massive retreat from the original false narrative. And the Brown camp (especially Louis Head and Leslie McSpadden) are coming under increasingly hostile scrutiny by responsible journalists.

        I’m glad I didn’t jump on this particular bandwagon — quite a few people were taken in. And pro-Palestinian activists are advised to steer clear.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 29, 2014, 12:31 am

        pro-Palestinian activists are advised to steer clear.

        by whom? anyone significant in the movement? or are you the one advising?

      • American
        November 29, 2014, 2:40 am

        Sean,

        Evidently you are trying to commit suicide by American the same way you claim Brown was trying to commit suicide by cop.

        You really want me to shoot you down in public? O.k. and remember you ‘asked for it.’

        On your friendfeed you claim the majority of MW agrees with you except annie.
        When on your own friend feed all the commenters to a man and woman -==All eviscerated you and your position and *rote bot* authority arguments—–every single one of them…
        .http://friendfeed.com/mondoweiss-on-friendfeed

        I need to give some Sean like instructions now to Sean:

        “One must not ‘lurch’ from the Brown issue to the Russian revolution when trying to avoid answering a question on Ferguson.’
        “One does not employ smart strategy when ‘inflating’ the statements of others as red herrings to impute his challengers when called on to furnish evidence of his claims.”
        “One cant win on the “political playing field” of elites by believing one cant defeat them.”
        “One is a bot if one keeps using ‘one must’ .
        “One is without an arguement if one keeps asking if one has read the transcript when one has said numerous time that one has read the transcripts”
        “One reveals that one who read the transcript and see no holes in the case shown to the grand jury means one is naive and doesn’t understand understand the prosecutor failure–deliberate according to most legal experts.
        “One also should before commenting and going on about the ‘transcript’ have reviewed the report on the very unusual ‘non-collection and handling of physical evidence’.

        I will add more Seanism instructions on the ‘One must” as needed if this thread continues.

      • American
        November 29, 2014, 3:36 am

        seanmcbride
        November 28, 2014, 8:40 pm

        Listen up ….and this is my last word to you on this because you are a robot bot—do you not understand the law and what it says about the use of ‘deadly force’?

        The QUESTION the grand jury should have been asked to consider was whether or not Wilson’s decision to ‘chase after’ Brown, a man he “could expect” to only subdue with a gun based on what Wilson himself said about the enraged bull—-was a *extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed*.

        This is the question that would have been presented by a ‘prosecutor’ who wanted an indictment.

        Was it a ‘extreme necessity and last resort’ for Wilson to *chase Brown* –Instead of in his own words—waiting *30 seconds* for police backup? Would waiting for police backup with numbers have been a *lesser means” to arresting Brown than a lone cop who had just lost one confrontation with Brown ‘chasing him to another confrontation’?

        In addition to the requirement of a emergency threat for the use of deadly force. Who was Brown a ’emergency threat to’ when he was unarmed and running from the scene ? The cop expected Brown to kill someone or rob another store while running and in the ’30 seconds’ the cop expected more cops to show up?

        You dont have a case or an argument for deadly force except your pathetic repetitive broken record mewing about how big Brown was and how the poor idiot cop feared for his life—-the poor idiot cop put himself in that position when he didnt wait for backup to apprehend Brown and try to make a proper ‘arrest. ‘

        All other ‘lesser means’ of apprehending Brown were not used.

        ”In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed”…….. AFI 31-207 Arming and Use of Force by Air Force Personnel

        ”Under U.S. law the *fleeing felon rule* was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force “may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others……Tennessee v Garner

        A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non dangerous suspect by shooting him dead….
        —Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner

    • italian ex-pat
      November 29, 2014, 5:46 pm

      Agreed. Zimmerman should have stayed in his f……g car. Zimmerman was not a police officer, he was a self-appointed vigilante, and got out of the f…..g car just looking for trouble, when there wasn’t any. I don’t think officer Wilson’s actions even compare.

      • American
        November 30, 2014, 1:26 pm

        ex-pat

        ” I don’t think officer Wilson’s actions even compare”

        I can only keep repeating the bottom line.
        It is even more incumbent on police/authority to ‘de escalate’ situations, not escalate them to the point of deadly force.
        Wilson chose to chase what he called an enraged bull that he ‘couldn’t reasonable expect to comply’ with his demand without the use of deadly force.
        Call it poor judgement, call it cop ego on his part, Wilson had other options for bringing Brown to justice and didn’t use them.

      • just
        November 30, 2014, 7:59 pm

        Officer Wilson exacerbated the situation to the point of killing a human being.

        Netanyahu et al has done the very same in his inhuman incitement.

  30. seanmcbride
    November 28, 2014, 6:32 pm

    miriam6,

    Racism is still a major problem in American society, but right off the top of my head I can think of many African-Americans who have achieved great success in American society (and there are many, many more):

    1. Alice Walker
    2. Barack Obama
    3. Beyonce
    4. Chris Rock
    5. Denzel Washington
    6. Deval Patrick
    7. Don Cheadle
    8. Earvin “Magic” Johnson
    9. Halle Berry
    10. Henry Louis Gates
    11. Jamie Foxx
    12. Jay-Z
    13. Michelle Obama
    14. Morgan Freeman
    15. Neil deGrasse Tyson
    16. Samuel Jackson
    17. Toni Morrison
    18. Will Smith

    That list includes the current president of the United States and the first lady.

    How many Palestinians, Arabs and other non-Jews have achieved similar success in Israel? When will a Palestinian ever be provided the opportunity to serve as the prime minister of Israel? Or is there something in the fundamental nature of the ideology of Zionism that will make that possibility unlikely?

    When is the last time that the American government treated African-Americans with the brutality that Israel dished out to Palestinians in Gaza this last summer? If the United States officially defined itself as a white Christian state, and adopted aggressive policies to protect that demographic, it would be equivalent to Israel.

  31. italian ex-pat
    November 28, 2014, 6:58 pm

    I disagree with those who see a parallel with the Ferguson case and the killings of Palestinians by the IDF.
    From what I read, the policeman in Ferguson reacted like any other law enforcement officer would , when confronted by an aggressive, possibly armed big individual, who just minutes before had engaged in violent behavior against peaceful people, and appeared to continue with that violent behavior against the officer. Did he deserve to die? Obviously not; in hindsight, perhaps the officer should have hesitate before shooting; in that line of work, though, you learn that hesitation can often be fatal.

    Contrast that with the IDF handling of Palestinian “troublemakers”, and I mention just two recent incidents:

    Two unarmed Palestinian teens were shot (dead) in the back by IDF snipers, on Nabka day, and videos show they were posing no threat to anybody when they were shot.

    More recently, in Northern Israel, a man “attacked” an IDF vehicle by banging on their window with, allegedly, a knife. How that was posing a life threat to the officers inside the vehicle is beyond me, but they stepped out and shot (dead) in the back the man who at that time was running away.

    If the Ferguson shooting is causing so much uproar, what would the reaction be if this kind of unprovoked killings in the West Bank happened in this country? At the very least, a second Civil War.
    In this country they are turning a legitimate police response into a racial murder. In Israel illegitimate murder of Palestinians is accepted standard procedure.

  32. samlebon2306
    November 28, 2014, 7:28 pm

    Finally a good Bush.

  33. just
    November 29, 2014, 8:16 am

    Gideon Levy and Alex Levac:

    “The last of the guests left at 2 A.M., and Ahmed Hassouna was going downstairs to close the gates to the house. Before that, he had driven some of the guests home to the nearby Al-Amari refugee camp in Ramallah.

    Members of the family had gathered to celebrate the birthday of Ahmed’s nephew. His sister, Nagham, was now following him down the stairs carrying a bag of garbage. She was asking Ahmed to open the wicket in the back of the house, so she could throw the refuse into the garbage bin on the street, before he locked up for the night.

    Nagham is going down the stairs, Ahmed is waiting out on the street, next to the garbage bin. It’s 2 A.M. on Wednesday, November 12, in the town of Beitunia, on the outskirts of Ramallah.

    The burst of gunfire was sudden and short. Hassouna says now that he didn’t notice the Israel Defense Forces soldiers hiding behind the bin on the street. He adds that he heard no warning, either.

    Apparently, four rounds were fired at him – from a distance of three to four meters. Three bullets struck Hassouna, two in his legs. The third slammed into his hip, penetrated his spine and wreaked havoc. Since that night, he’s been hospitalized, with both legs paralyzed. He may never walk again.

    His father, Azzam, tried to speak to the soldiers in Hebrew. By this time, the family says, there were a few dozen soldiers in the house. Hassouna’s mother, Sabah, says her husband heard the soldiers say they had the wrong address. They were looking for someone named Samar – but there was no one by that name in their house.

    Not long afterward, other soldiers arrived with a Palestinian who was bound and had been arrested elsewhere in town – apparently, the Samar in question. Mistakes will happen.

    Hassouna’s mother says that after shooting her son, the soldiers dismantled the security cameras that had previously been installed at the entrance to their house and took them with them when they left. She is convinced the IDF wants to hide the evidence of the mistaken shooting of her son.

    At some point, the soldiers involved, apparently realizing their mistake, allowed the Palestinian ambulance – still waiting in the street – to take Hassouna to the Ramallah Government Hospital. No attempt was made to arrest him.

    Hassouna underwent surgery there to stanch his internal bleeding. Two days later, he was transferred to Hadassah, after the family pressured the PA to pay for his treatment there. He’s been there ever since, tended to by the women of the family. At first, they say, some people in the ward were fearful of the presence of a wounded Palestinian from the territories. However, their fears were allayed when they saw that he was not put under guard by Israeli security forces.

    The IDF Spokesperson’s Unit told Haaretz: “During operational activity to arrest a terror activist in Beitunia, carried out by a special unit, a suspect was spotted fleeing from the building in which the target for arrest was located. The force carried out ‘suspect arrest procedure,’ after which fire was aimed at the lower torso of the suspect, wounding him moderately. The suspect was given immediate medical treatment by a paramedic, and afterward it was decided to evacuate him via the Red Crescent. A few days later, when an update was received that his medical condition had deteriorated, his transfer to Israel for continued medical treatment was authorized.”

    To date, no one from the IDF has contacted the family – not to explain, not to investigate, much less to apologize. A relative, Maha Hassouna, the secretary of the Hadash party faction in the Knesset and a resident of Lod, says she is appalled that no one is taking responsibility for the mistaken shooting. She is helping the family in its efforts to have the rehabilitation process take place in Israel, and to have the state underwrite the expenses. That much, at least, is coming to Hassouna, the family believes.

    In the meantime, he’s bedridden, pale, traumatized and weak. Even a faint smile is beyond him.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/twilight-zone/.premium-1.628931

    Question: Why did the IOF shoot at all??? Why didn’t they speak up– give a warning? Cowards, hiding behind a trash bin…

  34. Kay24
    November 29, 2014, 8:32 am

    SO HERE IS THE ISRAELI CONNECTION

    “Since the killing of eighteen-year-old Michael Brown by Ferguson police in Missouri last weekend, the people of Ferguson have been subjected to a military-style crackdown by a squadron of local police departments dressed like combat soldiers. This has prompted residents to liken the conditions on the ground in Ferguson to the Israeli military occupation of Palestine.

    And who can blame them?

    The dystopian scenes of paramilitary units in camouflage rampaging through the streets of Ferguson, pointing assault rifles at unarmed residents and launching tear gas into people’s front yards from behind armored personnel carriers (APCs), could easily be mistaken for a Tuesday afternoon in the occupied West Bank.

    And it’s no coincidence.

    At least two of the four law enforcement agencies that were deployed in Ferguson up until Thursday evening — the St. Louis County Police Department and the St. Louis Police Department — received training from Israeli security forces in recent years”.
    ————————————————————————————

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israel-trained-police-occupy-missouri-after-killing-black-youth

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 8:50 am

      Thanks for posting that, Kay.

      Seems that some people here are more interested in staying in the weeds rather than admitting the blindingly obvious.

  35. just
    November 29, 2014, 9:01 am

    For a Zionist and racist perspective, replete with lies and hate, read this:

    “Nine Parallels between Palestine and Ferguson”

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/nine-parallels-between-palestine-and-ferguson/

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 9:03 am

      PS– most folks here will need a shower after reading that.

    • Kay24
      November 29, 2014, 9:42 am

      That was written by a writer who is delusional or in denial. He fails to mention why a people may be angry. There are always reasons. People do not get angry for nothing. He fails to mention that as far as the Palestinian people are concerned, any people who have been occupied, rather brutally, will, as a result be angry and want to retaliate. The way these zionist writers put down their thoughts is really disgusting. It is as if Israel has NO fault. In their warped minds, an occupation and stealing lands should be welcomed by the victims. No need to get angry eh?
      Perhaps someone should send these koolaid drinkers, those videos of angry and vicious young Jewish kids chanting “death to Arabs”, and the numerous attacks on Palestinians and Mosques.
      Yeah, their parents MUST have taught them LOVE. He is an idiot.

  36. gamal
    November 29, 2014, 11:28 am

    Simple brief informative piece By Anthony DiMaggio

    “The central problem is that, if professors and teachers are not promoting critical thought, how will these students understand the broader political, economic, and social contexts underlying events like the Ferguson protests? The simple answer is that they won’t. In our national media environment, journalists and pundits shamelessly stereotype African Americans and Hispanic males as violent criminal thugs by portraying them as perpetrators of violent crime at far greater rates than actually occur in reality. Without the knowledge and information to challenge these stereotypes, citizens can’t recognize the broader inequality and injustices that exist in metropolitan regions and across the country.’

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/ferguson-as-classic-teachable-moment/

  37. American
    November 29, 2014, 11:28 am

    Another wasted life, another (white) guy whose dead end life frustrations went ballistic.
    Its not just a black thing. Its a national disease.
    I suggest all those who want to ‘uncritically’ depend on a Police State to protect them take Eisenhower’s advice….
    ‘Dwight D. Eisenhower — ‘If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on”.

    ‘Austin Gunman Fired 100 Rounds, Tried to Burn Mexican Consulate’

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspected-shooter-injured-targeting-buildings-austin-texas/story?id=27229703

    Neighbors say shooter was good guy
    http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/neighbor-says-shooter-sought-fresh-start-in-austin/njHXG/

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 11:45 am

      They don’t refer to him as a terrorist in anything that I’ve read…

      is it because he’s white and not a Muslim?

      • American
        November 29, 2014, 12:29 pm

        Maybe.
        His motivation hasn’t been determined yet as far as I know.
        Might have something to do with his inability to find a decent job and the immigration issue since it was directed at the Mexican embassy.
        The main flash point in the immigration issue particularly in Texas is immigrants taking jobs from Americans.
        But I am just guessing.

      • just
        November 29, 2014, 11:21 pm

        I appreciate your answer, American. He had a criminal record, though.

        Perhaps he couldn’t get a job because of that glaring problem rather than immigrants taking away his ability to be as gainfully employed as he wished.

    • ritzl
      December 1, 2014, 10:42 pm

      Great comments in this thread, American (and Annie).

  38. just
    November 29, 2014, 12:57 pm

    Some who are defending Wilson may be interested:

    “Red State editor Ben Howe jumped on Twitter the day before Thanksgiving to share his take on a grand jury’s decision not to indict Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson in the killing of unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

    The conservative editor’s takeaway on Wednesday was brief but clear: He tweeted that, if he were in Wilson’s position, he would have “shot Mike Brown right in his face.””

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-howe-red-state-id-have-shot-mike-brown-in-face

    • American
      November 30, 2014, 1:08 pm

      just
      November 29, 2014, 11:21 pm

      I appreciate your answer, American. He had a criminal record, though.

      Perhaps he couldn’t get a job because of that glaring problem rather than immigrants taking away his ability to be as gainfully employed as he wished.

      >>>>>>>>>>>

      I considered that– and in trying to imagine his reasoning it probably went like this….I broke the law and went to jail and its being held against me in employment and opportunity—illegals immigrants also broke US laws and its not being held against them in employment and opportunities.
      ‘If’ it turns out the immigration issue was his reason for attacking the Mexican embassy this is how I imagine he thought.

  39. just
    November 29, 2014, 1:02 pm

    O/T but wrt race via Max B.’s twitter:

    “Media mogul Rupert Murdoch took to Twitter on Friday evening to defend blockbuster film Exodus: Gods and Kings from critics who believe the all-white cast is offensive and inaccurate.

    Egyptians are whites who “treated blacks as slaves,” the News Corp. CEO wrote of the Ridley Scott film that cast Christian Bale as Moses and Joel Edgerton as Pharoah.

    Murdoch also drew his own social media ire by asking: “Since when are Egyptians not white? All I know are.”

    Ultimately, he concluded, there’s “nothing racist” about his suggestion about Middle Easterners being white because “there are many shades of color.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rupert-murdoch-defends-exodus-cast-since-when-are-egyptians-not-white/

    • a blah chick
      November 29, 2014, 4:15 pm

      Great, another Exodus movie with plenty of Jewish victims just in time for the holidays.

  40. Scott
    November 29, 2014, 1:32 pm

    Came across the below when perusing Rookie, webzine for teenage girls for which my daughter sometimes writes:
    Nomi November 29th, 2014 1:02 PM
    Please do not aid in the comparison of Palestine to ferguson. Black people have always been oppressed to a degree in our country, have always been affected by racism. Palestine and israel have been at a crossroads for almost a century, and Palestine is FAR from being a helpless victim. What is happening across America depresses me and infuriates me to no end, and as a white person I feel disgusted at the ignorance my race continues to show. And as an Israeli person, I am disgusted at the comparisons being made. Darren Wilson is unquestionably at fault, the middle eastern conflict is far more complicated
    .

  41. just
    November 29, 2014, 4:00 pm

    More than a soupçon of racism, eh?

    “When does free speech go too far?

    It’s not a new debate, but a controversial sign put in Minden, Neb. over the weekend has once again sparked the conversation.

    The sign says “Aids, Ebola, Obama. Thanks Africa.”

    It was up in Minden for a few days before outrage from residents led to it going down.

    “There was a lot of reaction once people actually noticed it. There were several people, like car after car that came by, doing laps around to look at it and take pictures,” says Minden resident Chris Nielsen.

    I spoke with the man who put it up Sunday night. He agreed to speak with me if i didn’t name him; he’s a white man, who looks to be in his mid-50s.

    The sign was put up on his property; he was asked to take it down by town officials, and he did so early Tuesday morning.

    At this point, he hasn’t been charged with anything.

    According to him, the sign wasn’t meant to be racist, but just an expression of frustration with the federal government.

    “I was fed up with what is going on in our country and this is the only way I could come up with to make a statement,” he says. ”

    http://www.klkntv.com/story/27420083/anti-obama-sign-sparks-controversy-in-minden

    • Horizontal
      November 30, 2014, 4:42 pm

      I have to laugh when Obama is put up as some sort of scary radical leftist by those on the right, being the corporate – Wall Street – military industrial complex – national security state – droning – Israel arming – friendly guy that he is. Some leftist.

      If any of those conservatives actually got to enjoy an actual socialist president, their heads would probably go boom. That’s how far this sorry nation of ours has drifted to the right.

  42. seanmcbride
    November 29, 2014, 6:49 pm

    How the Ferguson story is currently developing — the dominant themes — BE SURE to read the comments and the drift of public opinion:

    1. [Giuliani’s claim that 93 percent of black murder victims are killed by other blacks http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/11/25/giulianis-claim-that-93-percent-of-blacks-are-killed-by-other-blacks/ ]

    2. [The Other Ferguson Tragedy: Homicide is the leading cause of death among young black men, and 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. http://online.wsj.com/articles/jason-riley-the-other-ferguson-tragedy-1416961287 ]

    3. [The Ferguson misinformation machines http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/the-ferguson-misinformation-machines-b99397566z1-284178321.html ]

    4. [Was Michael Brown surrendering or advancing to attack Officer Darren Wilson http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2014/11/29/b99ef7a8-75d3-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html ]

    • Annie Robbins
      November 29, 2014, 11:08 pm

      the dominant themes in by the dominant press. we’re so surprised. since people here don’t have access to the mainstream press and rightwing politicians, where would be be without your hammer sean?

      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/29/3597556/the-one-word-that-kept-darren-wilson-out-of-jail/

      Many police officers in the U.K. don’t even carry firearms. British citizens are 100 times less likely to be shot by the police than Americans. Faced with a potential threat, British police officers are far more likely to engage in negotiation or use non-deadly force.
      But we have a different definition of “reasonable” conduct in the United States. Our definition of that word, as much as any law, is what is keeping Darren Wilson from being held accountable for the killing of Michael Brown.

      btw, i recently posted a link citing the Bureau of Justice Statistics debunking guiliani’s lie claim about “”The conviction rate is almost exactly the same” for whites and blacks who commit murder.”

    • Annie Robbins
      November 30, 2014, 4:28 am

      speaking of dominant themes

      • Shingo
        November 30, 2014, 5:10 am

        speaking of dominant themes

        Thanks Annie,

        I despise the NRA, but when I see this, I cannot help but sympathize with those who think the government is conspiring to disarm the public.

        One day, a member of the public is going to turn on the cop and there will be a all out riot with firearms blazing on both sides.

        Imagine this situation where the crowd is armed with guns.

  43. just
    November 29, 2014, 7:07 pm

    No surprise:

    “”I, Darren Wilson, hereby resign my commission as a police officer with the City of Ferguson effective immediately. I have been told that my continued employment may put the residents and police officers of the City of Ferguson at risk, which is a circumstance that I cannot allow. For obvious reasons, I wanted to wait until the grand jury made their decision before I officially made my decision to resign. It was my hope to continue in police work, but the safety of other police officers and the community are of paramount importance to me. It is my hope that my resignation will allow the community to heal. I would like to thank all of my supporters and fellow officers throughout this process.””

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/29/darren-wilson-resigns_n_6241834.html

  44. mcohen.
    November 29, 2014, 9:58 pm

    a few have commented if the deceased had been white the outcome would differ….what if the cop had been black….do black police officers have a different method of responding to these situations……just curious

    • Annie Robbins
      November 29, 2014, 10:42 pm

      do black police officers have a different method of responding to these situations

      i wonder what the conviction/indictment rate is for cops who gun down white people. i’m reminded that in palestine there is a 99% conviction rate for alleged offenders. but in the US they don’t keep statistics for things like that. convenient. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/nov/26/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-black-and-white-people-charged-murder-are/

      when you take a step back, Giuliani’s comment — even if supported by statistical evidence — would amount to cherry-picking data to shed the most benign light on racial disparities of the American justice system. Jurisprudence in general does not reflect this pattern.

      Without statistical data to back up his claim, we rate it False.

      Update, Nov. 26, 2014, 2:00 p.m.: Soon after we published this item, the Bureau of Justice Statistics officially confirmed to PolitiFact that they do not have nationally representative data on conviction rates by race.

      iow, all these statistics about black on black crime and white crime vs black crime is based on those convicted. but to be convicted you first have to be indicted. the system is rigged. like driving while black. unlike white people, blacks are hunted by law enforcement. whether a cop is black or white makes no difference if they are trained by the same system. like clarence thomas on the supreme court, what difference does his race make if he’s a rtwg misogynist?

      • mcohen.
        November 30, 2014, 6:27 am

        annie says

        “what difference does his race make if he’s a rtwg misogynist?”

        are you saying that the police officer is a rtwg mgit

        or is he a ltwg digit disguised as palestine white

        well 99% white with a touch,a smidge, of black

        a big small thin reed,a dude in need
        walked like a stumble he caught
        carrying a bag he bought
        cigars in hand
        ahead the promised land of blood no money

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 11:55 am

        are you saying that the police officer is a rtwg mgit

        no, i am saying that in a system that oppresses people the system of oppression is the problem.

  45. 666
    November 30, 2014, 7:39 am

    america reminds me of apartheid south africa with its black townships and easy killing of blacks by the police

  46. seanmcbride
    November 30, 2014, 1:00 pm

    The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer [updated with DNA evidence] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/28/the-physical-evidence-in-the-michael-brown-case-supported-the-officer/

    In the wake of the Michael Brown grand jury decision, several blog posts (including one by me Wednesday) have dissected Officer Darren Wilson’s testimony. Read by itself, different people can draw differing conclusions about whether it is accurate or not. But what hasn’t been widely discussed is whether the physical evidence confirms or contradicts his story.

    Perhaps the reason for this disinterest in the ballistics report, autopsies and other similar information is that for at least some of Brown’s supporters the facts are, apparently, largely irrelevant because Brown is a metaphorical “symbol” of injustice regardless of what actually happened. A related reason may be that working through this information is time-consuming — and thus beyond the capacity of many commentators. In contrast, the grand jury painstakingly heard sworn testimony from more than 60 witnesses, which is now collected in several thousand pages of transcripts. Reviewing these transcripts reveals some important and essentially indisputable facts. And those facts confirm many critical aspects of Wilson’s account.

    Progressives who believed Dorian Johnson’s initial and false account of the Michael Brown shooting bought a pig in a poke — pig in a poke: an offering or deal that is foolishly accepted without being examined first.

    And now they are scrambling to try to rationalize why they were so easily taken in.

    Ferguson will fall into the memory hole before long because those who tried to use it as a rallying point for civil rights activism will want to forget how they managed to get things so wrong.

  47. mcohen.
    November 30, 2014, 5:52 pm

    after some serious reflection this past month i am going to take this advice…..some here should perhaps consider

    “An old quote counsels that “if you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed,” but “If you read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.” However today, those who rely on less established electronic media for news actually can end up being less informed than they were before. And basing a movement on misinformation can have long-lasting consequences.”

    • Annie Robbins
      November 30, 2014, 6:15 pm

      totally, especially if you get your news from david horowitz/pam gellar and atlas shrugs type stuff. but, those who rely on less established electronic media for news actually can end up being more informed than they were before. snowden for example, had it not been for greenwald and less established media..

      here’s a great example of the mainstream catching up with less established media: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/11/ap-us-mercenaries-working-with-al-qaeda-no-scandal-just-a-difficulty.html

      Ten weeks behind Moon of Alabama the Associated Press is recognizing the southern attack on Damascus. They get paid for (not) reporting, I don’t.

      But notice the last graph I copied and the last sentence in it. U.S. trained, supplied and supported mercenaries are openly cooperating with Jabhat al-Nusra which is al-Qaida’s Syria branch. This is not a “conspiracy theory” of some nutcase but official AP reporting.

      The people accused of bringing down the world trade center on 9/11 are openly working with U.S. (proxy) forces. And what does AP make of this? The cooperation points to the difficulty in American efforts to build up “moderate” factions while isolating militants.

      Ah – no. This is no difficulty in the effort. It is a huge scandal. The U.S. could simply tell its mercenaries (many of whom I believe are disguised al-Nusra followers) to stop cooperating with al-Nusra. It has all the leverage over these guys than one can possibly have. It provides them with money, weapons and ammunition. Their families are cared for in Jordan and anyone wounded during fighting will be taken to a hospital in Jordan or Israel. If the U.S. did not want these guys to partner with al-Nusra it would not provide for them.

  48. 666
    December 1, 2014, 1:43 am

    I read moon now and then and there is some good reporting but I have found that with a few grains of truth a wall can be built…..ahead of time

  49. mcohen.
    December 1, 2014, 3:57 am

    annie says…….

    U.S. trained, supplied and supported mercenaries are openly cooperating with Jabhat al-Nusra which is al-Qaida’s Syria branch. –

    sounds a bit like a reverse savimbi gambit where knight takes king.

  50. OyVey00
    December 4, 2014, 7:58 am

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mayor-police-say-race-played-no-role-in-hammer-slaying/article_e2254f3d-6ea6-5265-973c-e0eccd4ece61.html

    Black and hispanic “youths” beat a white man to death with hammers in St. Louis for no reason whatsoever. Of course it’s not because he was “white” or “Bosnian” or anything.

    Where’s the media outrage? This guy didn’t rob a store and assault a cop before he died.

  51. just
    December 4, 2014, 8:56 am

    “The last words of Eric Garner became the rallying cry for protests that swirled in New York after a grand jury refused to indict a police officer who placed the unarmed black man in a chokehold, reigniting racial tensions that have been simmering for months in the US.

    “I can’t breathe,” protesters chanted, in mostly peaceful demonstrations that brought longstanding strains over race to the heart of America’s most populous city. Eighty-three arrests were made during the protests overnight, an NYPD spokesman confirmed to the Guardian.

    Earlier in the day, prosecutors announced the jury’s decision not to charge Daniel Pantaleo, one of the New York police department officers who had confronted Garner for selling loose cigarettes on Staten Island in July.

    The protesters’ anger echoed the tensions in Ferguson, Missouri, the scene of violence and rioting after another grand jury declined to bring charges against a white police office in the killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager suspected of robbing a convenience store. His death sparked hundreds of protests across the country and snapped into focus seething race issues.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/04/we-cant-breathe-eric-garner-protesters-chant-last-words

    I can’t breathe very well at all. Neither can many people.

    Garner was choked to death.

  52. seafoid
    December 5, 2014, 1:35 am

    Why is it so hard to do this when Palestinians are killed by Israel?

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.630129

    “JTA – Several high-profile New York rabbis are scheduled to join a Manhattan protest of a grand jury’s decision not to indict the police officer who killed Eric Garner, an unarmed black man.

    The march set for Thursday night on the heavily Jewish Upper West Side neighborhood is being coordinated by the Jews for Racial & Economic Justice advocacy group. The protest is in solidarity with a coalition of 64 local and national organizations.

    Among the rabbis scheduled to take part are Rolando Matalon of B’nai Jeshurun, a major Upper West Side congregation; Jill Jacobs, the executive director of T’ruah, a Jewish human rights advocacy organization; and Sharon Kleinbaum of Congregation Beit Simchat Torah, the largest LGBT synagogue in North America”

  53. michelle
    December 7, 2014, 1:00 pm

    .
    the allowance/support of thugs & murders in blue is shameful
    seems like it would be easy to screen people for certain types of employment
    anyone can say anything but the heart tells the truth
    before authorizing and arming there should be proper testing
    there are too many “fearful” people in armed service uniforms
    and justice robes/suits
    justice should not be blinded to truth
    .
    in life there are only two paths
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

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