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‘I observe that you are a fascist’ — Zahalka to Feiglin

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This video features a member of the Israeli parliament from the Balad party, Dr. Jamal Zahalka, along with Moshe Feiglin, a rightwing member of the parliament.

Zahalka: Honorable Chair, Ladies and Gentleman of the Knesset

Feiglin: Yes go ahead, please.

Zahalka: Even before I was born, before it was even conceived and started to take form, the idea of a nation-Jewish state received criticism which is also relevant today. In 1939 the Zionist congress which convened at the Biltmore Hotel in New York City decided to establish a Jewish commonwealth in Palestine. A year later the Jewish intellectual Hannah Arendt writes — who was a Zionist in her way, she wasn’t an anti-Zionist, she fled from the Nazis in Germany and settled in the U.S. — she wrote an article that expressed a staunch opposition to an idea [of a national-Jewish state], she said you offer the Palestinians, residents of the land, a second class citizenship. This is what she wrote in 1941.

Feiglin: Did she say the word Palestinians?

Zahalka: Palestine. Of course. Palestine Eretz Israel. That is how it was called and written  in English.  She wrote in English not in Hebrew.

Feiglin: I’d be happy to see the source.

Zahalka: OK, I suggest you read her. You are of course in her exact opposite world.

Feiglin: I only ask to see the source.

Zahalka: Because she has a human world view, against totalitarianism, ultra-nationalism, so listen a little, learn a little.

Other: Are you sitting here as a reviewer?

Feiglin: Just because, just interested.

Zahalka: She wrote, c’mon she was an anti-Nazi, anti-fascist. You’re a fascist. You’re just a fascist, let me carry on speaking….

Feiglin: No I will not.

Zahalka: It is not a curse for you, “fascist” is a compliment.

Feiglin: No I will not allow you to carry on, even though your words were very interesting.

Zahalka: She wrote…

Feiglin: No, you will stop now.

Zahalka: You won’t stop me.

Feiglin: Of course I will stop you.

Zahalka: You will not stop me.

Feiglin: Because you will not call the Chair a fascist.

Zahalka: You will not stop me!

Feiglin: I ask of the ushers to bring down the speaker.

Zahalka: I observe that you are a fascist. A fascist advocates national supremacy over others! And he’s anti-democratic.

Feiglin: Thank you very much. Of course I can do this.

(guards start dragging Zahalka away as he is yelling)

Zahalka: What do you think this is?!!  I won’t let you! I will carry on speaking! I will carry on speaking!  What is this?! Fascism is taking over! This is exactly what you’re doing here! You’re fascist and a racist!

 

Thanks to Ronnie Barkan

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  1. just
    November 29, 2014, 9:46 am

    “Democracy”, Israeli style. What a cesspool. I’m only surprised that the usher thugs aren’t armed… yet.

    Fascist, racist Feiglin gives a shout out to “dear Arab MKs”.

    Thanks, Annie and Ronnie.

  2. a blah chick
    November 29, 2014, 10:27 am

    Poor Kahane, if only he’d kept that ego of his in check that could have been him up there.

    Many people think that Kach was banned because it was racist and anti-democratic but that is not true. They were banned from elections in ’88 because they were taking votes from Likud and making the liberals look bad.

  3. just
    November 29, 2014, 10:40 am

    Precursor to the “Zoabi Bill”.

    Yet Shaked and Feiglin and others are allowed to spew forth.

  4. amigo
    November 29, 2014, 10:47 am

    The Light unto the nations shows us it,s Liberal democracy in action.

    You got to admit , Rivlin knows his people so very well but I am afraid there is no cure for their sickness except isolation and the destruction of zionism (do I get banned for not capitalising zionism) .Communism was mild compared to the goals of these vile reprobates.

    • Mooser
      November 29, 2014, 11:35 am

      I wonder if Glick, packin’ heat, will come after Feiglin, when he gets out of hospital.

  5. Eva Smagacz
    November 29, 2014, 10:58 am

    I note that Elizabeth Warren was paying fealty visit to Knesset when the incident happened.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-11-25/elizabeth-warrens-funfilled-visit-to-israels-knesset

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 11:03 am

      hahaha!

      Wonder if she had a nice time watching “democracy” in action. She looks thrilled in the still of that video…

    • Annie Robbins
      November 29, 2014, 11:15 am

      omg that’s hysterical, i can’t stop laughing.

    • bintbiba
      November 29, 2014, 12:24 pm

      Most edifying !!

    • a blah chick
      November 29, 2014, 12:39 pm

      If it does get mentioned it will be spun as just another day in the life of a vibrant democracy!

    • pabelmont
      December 2, 2014, 10:44 am

      If she was not only paying fealty but present at this int3rchange in the Knesset (I doubt), would she have understood a word? Doubt it. But as a USA pol, she would only praise Israeli democracy.

  6. amigo
    November 29, 2014, 11:34 am

    Feiglin wanted to shut the Fahalka up lest Warren might hear statements she should not.Of course the zionist Knesset member to her right is not translating exactly what Fahalka is saying.I am sure he is putting words in the good Doctor,s mouth.

    The zionists will make hay with this and use it to show how democratic Israel is by allowing “Arab”Knesset members to speak freely .That plan might run into problems when it comes to explaining the physical removal of said Arab member.

  7. just
    November 29, 2014, 2:13 pm

    Thanks to inciters like Feiglin:

    “A fire caused damage to Jerusalem’s Hebrew-Arab bilingual school on Saturday evening. Police suspect arson as hateful phrases were also sprayed on the building, reading “Kahane was right” and “There’s no coexisting with cancer.”

    The Max Rayne Hand in Hand Jerusalem School is the country’s largest Jewish-Arab institution. It has been co-run by a Jewish and an Arab principal since its founding in 1998 years ago by the Hand in Hand non-governmental organization.

    Over the past few months the school was repeatedly targeted by right-wing vandals, who have sprayed racist graffiti against Arabs.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.629147

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 6:28 pm

      more:

      “Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat condemned the incident: “We will not allow pyromaniacs and criminals who take the law into their own hands to disrupt our daily lives,” he said. Barkat added: “We will continue to denounce the extremists and do whatever it takes to restore the quiet to Jerusalem.” He said he has spoken to the Jerusalem Police chief “whose top priority is the investigation and the security of Jerusalem’s children.”

      A number of Knesset members spoke out against the attack.

      Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni is scheduled to visit the school Sunday, saying, “we will not let extremists set fire to the coexistence that still exists.”

      Education Minister Shay Piron said that the incident was “a violent, criminal and despicable incident… aimed at hurting and undermining Israel’s democratic foundations. The fact that it was an arson attack on an educational facility that advocates coexistence severely undermines the fabric of relations between Jews and Arabs. I urge the Israel Police to act immediately and bring to justice these despicable vile criminals.”

      e left-wing Meretz party called the incident a “direct result of the nation-state bill that gives legitimacy to damaging the fabric of relations between Jews and Arabs. It is no coincidence that this violent act targeted those who wish to promote coexistence and equality.”

      Labor MK Nahman Shai demanded an urgent meeting of the Knesset Interior and Environment Committee to discuss the arson, saying that “the time for words is over, and it’s time for action.” “Targeting the bilingual school is a disgrace for Israeli society and a great embarrassment for the security services who are proving to be helpless and fail to expose the wave of homegrown terrorists who destroy any chance for a shared life in this country,” he said.

      The fierciest condemnation came from the Arab Balad party, which labelled the arson case as “an act of terror,” accussing Israeli authorities of failing to bring to justice perpetrators of other so-called “price-tag” attacks against Israeli Arab and Palestinian mosques and other structures. According to Balad, such inaction acts as a “tail wind” further acts of violence, and blamed the current government for stoking hatred and racism, singling out the proposed nation-state bill.

      Furthermore, Balad called for “price-tag” attacks to be declared terrorist acts, and for their perpetrators to be arrested and treated under the law as terrorists.”

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.629147

  8. Citizen
    November 29, 2014, 2:55 pm

    Feiglin is not unlike Bibi Netanyahu, who shares character traits with Adolph Hitler:
    http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/benjamin-netanyahu-adolph-hitler-uncomfortable-character-traits/

  9. yonah fredman
    November 29, 2014, 3:58 pm

    I am unsure of the definition of “fascist”, but it is a dirty word to me and apparently to Feiglin. It is a street protest word and for a speaker to kick out a member for calling him a fascist seems to be within his parliamentary ken.

    The law against Zoabi is a much more serious issue. and the nation state law, of which ever form is passed is also a serious issue, but kicking out an MK for a session because he called the chair a fascist- not a serious issue.

    • just
      November 29, 2014, 4:11 pm

      It’s a serious issue when it’s TRUE. Feiglin completely suppressed the speech of an elected politician who happens to be in the minority, and then sarcastically calls them “dear Arab MKs”, thus proving the MK’s point.

      “fascism
      [ ˈfaSHˌizəm ]
      noun
      noun: fascism · noun: Fascism · plural noun: Fascisms
      an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.”
      (Oxford Dictionary)

      “Nationalism is the main foundation of fascism.[157] The fascist view of a nation is of a single organic entity which binds people together by their ancestry and is a natural unifying force of people.[158] Fascism seeks to solve economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.[34][159][160][161][162] European fascist movements typically espouse a racist conception of non-Europeans being inferior to Europeans.[163] Beyond this, fascists in Europe have not held a unified set of racial views.[163] Historically, most fascists promoted imperialism, although there have been several fascist movements that were uninterested in the pursuit of new imperial ambition”
      (wiki)

    • oldgeezer
      November 29, 2014, 5:00 pm

      Kicking someone for name calling isn’t serious issue. It happens in many legislatures. Kicking out only some is a serious issue and, in this case, is further evidence of the facist nature of the state.

    • Mooser
      December 1, 2014, 10:47 am

      “I am unsure of the definition of “fascist”, but it is a dirty word to me”

      Gee, Yonah, fascists killed six-million Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe. Don’t you think it behooves you to find out what a fascist is? There’s another salient reason why you should find out exactly (insofar as that is possible) what a fascist is. And that is because, in case you didn’t know, Zionism was considered a Jewish Fascist movement.

      Hey, you never know, Yonah, maybe fascism is “lascivious”

      • yonah fredman
        December 2, 2014, 6:57 pm

        mooser- funny that you should mention “lascivious”.

        piling onto the anti salaita band wagon is the net effect of pointing out that his tweets were far worse than merely uncivil. he is out of a job and ultimately that seems to be the work of “donors” and ideally the academy should be above pressure from donors, so pointing out flaws in his current campaign add up to approval of his firing, which is not my intent.

        i do not know that his tweet was blood thirsty. the formulation i came up with immediately after the perverse use of lascivious (how embarrassing to use such a term when i merely meant that he wanted blood) was that salaita wanted to be fritz fanon and jackie mason as one. that formulation although maybe not nearer to the truth of the tweet was certainly more interesting than a mere accusation of bloodthirstiness, and certainly less embarrassing than using a sexual term, when all i meant was that he lusted for blood.

        the conflict between palestinians and zionists has shed lots of blood and lots more palestinian blood than zionist blood, so maybe salaita is justified in wanting to even the score. but it’s tough to believe the contortions of logic using a thumb like the talmud learning rabbis who parse the text (pilpul, right?) and figure out that salaita’s words were innocent. just goes to show the lying propensity of activists. (unspecific to this cause or bent, a general fact.)

      • yonah fredman
        December 2, 2014, 7:05 pm

        His one tweet was far worse than uncivil. the “i hope they all go missing” tweet.

      • oldgeezer
        December 2, 2014, 11:48 pm

        “just goes to show the lying propensity of activists. (unspecific to this cause or bent, a general fact.) ”

        Sweet admission. It’s simply not reasonable or feasible to not label zionists who support Eretz Israel as not being activists although I would grant that they are also much much worse than that.

      • Mooser
        December 7, 2014, 6:54 pm

        “i do not know that his tweet was blood thirsty. the formulation i came up with immediately after the perverse use of lascivious (how embarrassing to use such a term when i merely meant that he wanted blood)”

        You are embarrased by the use of the term “lascivious” to describe someone who merely “wanted blood”?

        So it’s worse to say that somebody has erotic feelings, (is lascivious), it’s worse then saying they have murderous feelings, that they “wanted blood”.

        Yonah, did it ever occur to you not to use words you don’t know the meaning of? Between not knowing the meaning of the words you use, and knowing nothing about the subjects you mutter about, and your obfuscatory use of broken syntax and being unwilling to even tell the truth about yourself and your feelings, you are a pretty sorry spectacle.
        And you know, you could’a been a regular guy, that’s the pity of it, you could’a been an alright guy.

      • Mooser
        December 7, 2014, 7:01 pm

        “piling onto the anti salaita band wagon is the net effect of pointing out that his tweets were far worse than merely uncivil.”

        Exactly Yonah, that’s just what I say! I hope you didn’t muss your ‘proper attire’ catching the “anti salaita (sic) band wagon”, and “piling” on it.

  10. just
    November 29, 2014, 6:49 pm

    O/T– more injustice/fascism:

    “The legal watchdog group Yesh Din petitioned the High Court of Justice on Thursday against Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein’s decision not to prosecute officials who admitted to illegally constructing a sewage treatment plant for the West Bank settlement of Ofra.

    According to Weinstein, because the state has not brought criminal charges against illegal construction over the years in the West Bank, even the few individuals who have been investigated cannot be charged because that would be unfairly discriminating against them in relation to others who have not been charged.

    This ran contrary to Weinstein’s repeated public statements about the need to prosecute those responsible for illegal construction in the West Bank.

    In its petition to the High Court, Yesh Din stated: “The attorney general has repeatedly granted complete immunity to the settlers’ leaders with regard to building offenses and the stealing of private Palestinian land,” and called the attorney general’s reasoning for closing the case “scandalous.”

    In a similar case, the state asked the High Court not to prosecute a developer, Yoel Tzur, who built 14 buildings and prefabricated housing in the Ulpana neighborhood of the settlement of Beit-El, on private Palestinian land. Tzur admitted under questioning that he knew the land was privately owned. In that case as well, State Prosecutor Shai Nitzan decided to close the case because administrative enforcement had been implemented, and this obviated the need for criminal enforcement. Another hearing on this case is to be held next month.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.629158?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  11. Palikari
    November 29, 2014, 10:13 pm

    There are many things I don’t like about Feiglin, but he was right. What did he expected when he called the chairman a fascist? You can’t insult another MKs.

    MK Zahalka needs education lessons.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 29, 2014, 10:21 pm

      maybe that’s normal at the knesset, for the chair to show complete disregard for a speaker and interrupt as if it was a dinner party conversation. he was acting like a king or a dictator talking to the court jester. what a joke.

      besides, weren’t several early zionists followers of fascism? it’s merely a form of radical authoritarian nationalism. Feiglin’s a facist anyway isn’t he? so what’s the big deal? he set the tone of turning Zahalka’s speech into a conversation, so he should hear him out. or, maybe Feiglin needs an lesson on democracy. http://www.fnnc.org/robertsrules.html

      • eljay
        November 29, 2014, 11:12 pm

        >> Moshe Feiglin: “Whoever curses another MK, let alone the Chair, cannot carry on speaking.”

        Seems reasonable. I wonder if this rule is applied to all MKs consistently.

        >> annie: maybe that’s normal at the knesset, for the chair to show complete disregard for a speaker and interrupt as if it was a dinner party conversation.

        Well, he did (not) make up for it with his patronizing reference to “dear Arab MKs”.

        I wonder how Mr. Feiglin would appreciate being referred to as “dear Jew MK”.

      • tree
        November 30, 2014, 12:16 am

        Complete disregard for the speaker has been the long standing norm in the Knesset from its very beginning. As are personal insults, and Zahalka’s was rather mild in comparison to quite a few other insults that have been thrown around regularly in the Knesset.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 30, 2014, 12:26 am

        tree, i found out around the time (maybe even sooner i can’t recall) of EU Prez Martin Schulz wreaks havoc during speech at Knesset – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/during-speech-knesset#sthash.mx0KjiPs.dpuf that this sort of stuff happens at the knesset, but for some reason i assumed whomever was acting as chair, presiding over the house, was there to keep the rules and not disrupt them. so much for that!

    • tree
      November 29, 2014, 11:54 pm

      What did he expected when he called the chairman a fascist? You can’t insult another MKs.

      I hate to be the one to break this to you, but insulting other MKs is a long tradition in the Knesset. This is from a news article published over 15 years ago, in 1998:

      The 120 Israeli lawmakers hurl insults across the chamber, calling each other “fascist,” “racist,” “parasite” and worse. Speeches are interrupted, fingers are waggled in faces, and members often stomp out, interrupting debate.

      One well-respected religious party member, frustrated by the defeat of a bill last week that would have benefited his ultra-Orthodox constituency, angrily accused opponents of being “anti-Semites” and “trash.” Another lawmaker, shocked by those remarks of Rabbi Avraham Ravitz of the United Torah Judaism party, asked plaintively, “Am I an anti-Semite too?”

      Ravitz, chairman of the Budget Committee, shouted back at Emanuel Zissman: “They are anti-Semites. You are a little anti-Semite!” He later apologized; it was the retraction, not the language, that was rare.

      In another recent incident, Rehavam Zeevi, a member of the far-right Moledet party, added his own fillip to debate on whether Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat should have been invited to visit the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum on his recent Washington trip. Zeevi, who opposed the invitation, was heckled by Israeli Arab lawmakers who supported it. “You’re not even neo-Nazis,” he yelled at them. “You’re Nazis!”

      http://articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/06/news/mn-16187

      It looks like you are the one who needs “education lessons” about what the norms are in the Knesset.

      Feiglin didn’t kick him out because MK Zahalka called him a “fascist”; he did it because Zahalka insulted him while being Arab.And then Feiglin proved what a fascist he is by removing Zahalka from the chambers.

      • Marnie
        November 30, 2014, 6:13 am

        They really go crazy up in there, as if the majority of them didn’t get their ritalin and are out of control, hurling furniture as well as insults. What a nice group of folks. They were on the better behavior because Miz Warren was in the house, but they made sure to show her “the israeli way” to deal with “the other”. Bastards.

      • Mooser
        November 30, 2014, 3:23 pm

        Marnie, my wife is upstairs right now, working her fingers to the bone over a hot stove, to cook up an experimental dose of Zioloft, the specific for Ziocaine Syndrome attacks. It is becoming apparent that, although the etiology of the condition is strictly behavioral, some psycho-tropic medication may be necessary to stifle acute symptoms.
        I personally have seen research indicating an extract of ash tree branches (Fraxinus nigra or excelsior) if shaped correctly, can be used to good effect.

  12. Ellen
    November 30, 2014, 2:24 am

    Wow, as soon as Zahalka’s speech entered dangerous truthful territory for the Zionists, Feiglin started constantly interrupting him with nonsense to prevent his speech. It was a classic Hasbara tactic to repress truth.

    Unfortunately (but understandably) Zahalka lost his cool and gave the fascist room to remove him.

    Truth on the Zionist project is like pouring water on the witch of the west. It won’t survive truth, will melt away. That is why it must destroy anyone like an Arendt or Zahalka, speaking truth.

  13. bilal a
    November 30, 2014, 5:56 am

    Israel is perhaps the most unstable nation state, half of its population governed suffer under martial law, and even internally the secular hate the orthodox. They dont understand 4GW:
    They are ‘disintegrating’.

    Israel Doesn’t Get 4GW
    by William S. Lind
    http://www.antiwar.com/lind/?articleid=14057

    William Lind humiliates an infuriated globalist statist zionist daniel drezner , starts around 1:06, The New Internationalism: Threats and Responses

  14. OyVey00
    November 30, 2014, 9:37 am

    I kinda wonder what the MPs of the Arab parties are even doing there in the Knesset. I think Israel has made it perfectly clear that if Arabs would ever become the majority of the population and in the Knesset, they would just abolish democracy as to stop them from having political power. Arab MPs should stop pretending that they can change anything by legal means and just flat-out boycott Israel and its institutions.

    • Mooser
      November 30, 2014, 3:26 pm

      “Arab MPs should stop pretending that they can change anything by legal means and just flat-out boycott Israel and its institutions.”

      Really, “OyVey00” Really? Is that far enough? Do you think those “Arab MPs” should go further? Why don’t you tell us how far they should go, “OyVey00”?

  15. just
    November 30, 2014, 10:35 am

    “The timing couldn’t have been more “perfect”: while I was still at a demonstration against the “Jewish Nation-State Law” outside the Prime Minister’s Office, I got a message saying that the bilingual school was set on fire. Here we were demonstrating against political arson, and not too far away someone is already doing it with gasoline and matches. This time, the fire was ignited inside our home.

    The smell of fire is still very strong in the parking lot across from the school. Slowly slowly, parents, teachers, students and recent graduates begin to arrive. Nobody is in a hurry to go inside, as if we fear actually seeing what we expect there, all while we’re still trying to figure out exactly what happened and the extent of the damage. “A first grade classroom was completely burned,” somebody says, “and the other first-grade classroom sustained serious damage, too.” The blood drains from our faces. They burned the first-grade classrooms? The classrooms in which children for the first time in their lives scribbled letters into words: “love, friendship, respect?”

    We later learn that the arsonists threw all of the books that they found in the classrooms into a pile and burned them. The image is too difficult to even fathom, and a part of me is relieved that firefighters and police have cordoned off the burned classrooms and aren’t letting anyone in. Who can rid such an image from their head — a burned first-grade classroom?

    And they came. Throngs of them came. The wonderful people from anti-racism group Tag Meir arrived, students and representatives of some other schools in the city also came, people from wider social circles, and other women and men who chose to spend their morning with us, in solidarity. An especially touching moment was when we saw a large group of youths chanting as they approached, and after our initial instincts — based on experience — made us shrink into a moment of fear, they got closer and we heard what they were chanting: “Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies.” It turned out that the neighboring “Rainbow School” canceled its classes so its students could come and support us. It’s hard to describe just how touching it was.

    And the politicians came too, of course: MKs Nahman Shai and Erel Margalit, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, who condemned the crime and called to restore routine to the city.
    …..
    I appreciate that Mayor Barkat came to visit the school — and I say that without any cynicism. It was the right thing to do and it was necessary. Once upon a time, during the weekly protests in Sheikh Jarrah, we used to say, “there’s nothing holy in an occupied city.” Today I want to tell Barkat: there isn’t anything routine in an occupied city. A routine of occupation and violence is a routine of iniquity. You can condemn the torching of a school as much as you want, but when 40 percent of the city’s residents under your jurisdiction live a daily war zone, there’s nothing routine about that. When the daily routine of over 350,000 people in the city you run is a routine of daylight robbery, of violent police raids, of sponge-tipped bullets and arrests, of “skunk” trucks that spray putrid water on homes and schools, that’s not a routine we want to adopt. When the students in our school must leave their homes two hours before school in order to travel a distance that should take only 20 minutes because their neighborhood is barricaded and blocked with concrete blocks, when our students breath in tear gas in their homes each week and come to school from a daily war zone, we won’t join your calls to restore routine.

    The routine in your city is one of iniquity, Mr. Barkat. Our school’s community is strong and vibrant. We demand, of course, that you and your leadership provide our students with protection from the increasing violence. But like always, we will be doing the repairs and rehabilitation by ourselves, with the strength we draw from our moral high ground and the civil and social solidarity we’ve built. We will overcome. You, Mr. Barkat, go see to the well being of the city you have been entrusted with managing. And if you need inspiration — moral, ethical or from the community — you are always welcome to come visit the bilingual school. We will keep going it alone here, free from fear and hatred.

    http://972mag.com/we-will-overcome-arson-mourning-at-jerusalems-bilingual-school/99428/

  16. OlegR
    November 30, 2014, 6:33 pm

    Though it is normal for Knesset members to throw insults at each other the Chair is not a regular MK while presiding and it is not at all normal to insult him especially without any provocation.It is normal for the Chair to occasionally make comments during speeches.
    Calling the Chair a fascist is no different in fact worst then calling him an asshole.

    Ahmed Tibi did it when he was acting as Chair on at least one occasion afaik.

    And btw Feiglin did have a valid point, Arendt used the word Arabs not Palestinians.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 30, 2014, 8:22 pm

      he wasn’t “making a comment” he was questioning him during a speech.

      • OlegR
        December 1, 2014, 4:14 am

        He made a single casual remark regarding factual side of the speech nothing out of the ordinary,
        you make it sound like he rudely interrupted him when even those who do not understand Hebrew can see this was not the case.
        Zahalka could have easily brushed it off, instead he decided to get offensive .This sort of behavior arguably serves him with his constituency as the guy “who stands up to Feiglin”. Serves Feiglin with his as well.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 1:58 pm

        he did not make “a single casual remark”, he was questioning him during a speech and interrupted him repetitiously 4 times.

        Feiglin: Did she say the word Palestinians?
        Feiglin: I’d be happy to see the source.
        Feiglin: I only ask to see the source.
        Feiglin: Just because, just interested.

        you make it sound like he rudely interrupted him

        i didn’t “make is sound” like he rudely interrupted him. i corrected your misinformation and pointing out: “he wasn’t “making a comment” he was questioning him during a speech.”

        nothing out of the ordinary

        it’s not ordinary for the chair to carry on a background conversation with a person addressing an audience in a speech in our culture, it’s considered rude and out of order. i can’t speak for israel, maybe that’s a parliamentary norm for the chair there.

      • OlegR
        December 1, 2014, 2:23 pm

        Here MK Ahmed Tibi kicking out Miri Regev out of the session when he was chair
        justly btw.Somtheing to think about next time you want to talk about Apartheid Israel.

      • OlegR
        December 1, 2014, 2:27 pm

        Here Tibi as the chair has an exchange with another MK not dissimilar to what Fegilin did.

  17. OlegR
    December 1, 2014, 4:52 am

    Now here is an exemplary parliamentarian.

    http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4641.htm

  18. just
    December 1, 2014, 5:10 am

    Fascist Feiglin talks. He claims Gaza as Eretz Yisrael, and advocates destroying people and ethnic cleansing:

    • seafoid
      December 1, 2014, 8:38 am

      Just replace Palestinians in his rant with “Jews” and send to Hoppy and Mayhem etc and sit back and eat popcorn and wait for the screams of anti-Semitism to start coming in.

      • Kay24
        December 1, 2014, 10:09 am

        Seafoid you linked a youtube clip of one of my favorite characters growing up. I just loved the William series. It is sad that as adults we cannot capture that happiness and enjoyment reading these books. That goes for the Enid Blyton series too.

      • seafoid
        December 1, 2014, 10:48 am

        A brilliant set of books, Kay. I used to love reading them as well.

      • just
        December 1, 2014, 2:24 pm

        Strange though I may be, I still enjoy reading them…

      • seafoid
        December 1, 2014, 6:18 pm

        Wiki

        “Crompton saw her real work as writing adult fiction. Starting with The Innermost Room (1923), she wrote 41 novels for adults and published nine collections of short stories. Their focus was generally Edwardian middle class life; after the Second World War, such literature had an increasingly limited appeal.

        Even William was originally created for a grown-up audience, as she saw Just William as a potboiler (Cadogan, 1993). She was pleased by its success, but seemed frustrated that her other novels and short stories did not receive the same recognition. ”

        and Adrian Mole was inspired by William.

      • Walid
        December 2, 2014, 6:14 am

        Seafoid, Said Akl, the poet-philosopher that wrote most of Fairuz’ poetic songs like Zahrat al-Madaan died a couple of days back, his funeral is currently in progress, he was 102. Two days back was the funeral of another great, the singer Sabah. Now the last one left of the greats is Fairuz. Her Akl song for Jerusalem is one of your favourites. with English subtitles:

      • seafoid
        December 2, 2014, 6:42 am

        Shukran ya Walid

        I picked up my Fairuz addiction when I started to learn arabic in London. I bought one of her CDs and it had zourouni on it. I think the teacher must have mentioned it.
        The first time I was in Lebanon I had to ask someone what habibi meant.

        Then in Palestine I’d hear women talking about listening to her and in the same breath as Umm Kulthoum . Fairuz in the morning and Umm K in the evening. In Egypt I used to talk to the taxi drivers but they were more into Umm K. There was one amazing one who was a real intellectual and he spoke about driving through Cairo all night listening to her words which were like a balm to his soul

        Listening to the songs of the 2 I feel a real connection with the people, especially the women, of the Levant/Egypt and all the shit they have to put up with.

      • just
        December 2, 2014, 9:01 am

        RIP.

        Thank you, Walid and seafoid.

  19. lysias
    December 2, 2014, 11:45 am

    I was just looking at Arendt’s 1946 piece from Commentary magazine (therefore in English) The Jewish State: Fifty Years After, Where Have Herzl’s Politics Led?. There she calls the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine “Arabs”, not “Palestinians”, but I think that was the normal usage in English at the time.

    • tree
      December 2, 2014, 2:40 pm

      There she calls the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine “Arabs”, not “Palestinians”, but I think that was the normal usage in English at the time.

      In 1946, when she wrote that piece, Palestine existed so all its citizens were Palestinians. Using the word “Arabs” was the only way to differentiate between the newcomer Jewish Zionists and the indigenous population.

    • eljay
      December 2, 2014, 2:50 pm

      >> lysias: I was just looking at Arendt’s 1946 piece from Commentary magazine … There she calls the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine “Arabs”, not “Palestinians”, but I think that was the normal usage in English at the time.

      She uses the term “Arabs” twice in that article and both times, to me, it seems that she means to use it as a way to differentiate between Jews and non-Jews.

      Had she used the term “Palestinians”, that would have encompassed indigenous Jews and made her comparison less clear.

    • yonah fredman
      December 2, 2014, 7:19 pm

      The widespread use of the term Palestinian to refer to Arab Palestinians seems to have been something that occurred after the 6 day war. All other earlier citations are proofs that the term did not come out of thin air, but as a commonly used term even by the Palestinians, it was not common at all.

      • Peter in SF
        December 3, 2014, 1:28 am

        yonah, if you are correct and it was not at all common even for Arab Palestinians to call themselves “Palestinians” between 1948 and 1967, then what did they call themselves more commonly instead?

  20. Mooser
    December 7, 2014, 7:09 pm

    “yonah, if you are correct and it was not at all common even for Arab Palestinians to call themselves “Palestinians” between 1948 and 1967, then what did they call themselves more commonly instead?”

    Peter in SF, what does it matter what they called themselves? Whatever it was, they sure didn’t wait for the Zionists to come and tell them what their name is, did they? Huh, did they? No, they did not, they just called themselves whatever they wanted to!
    And they did that the entire time the Jewish people were suffering terrible persecution! They named themselves without any, not a single reference or care about the persecution Jews were suffering. Do they even have the right to their own name after that?

  21. Mooser
    December 7, 2014, 7:14 pm

    Also, Peter, I might remind you that operating under a name not your own is a felony, punishable by giving up land and life to Zionists.
    So if Yonah can prove that a Palestinian ever referred to themselves as anything else, all their legitimacy is gone!
    I mean, all this squirrelly name-changing, up against our DNA tests? No contest!

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