Palestinian students fear for their lives during attack on train car in Jerusalem

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We picked up this frightening report from Ya Aini (Arabic), a local news website covering Palestine/Israel.  Last Tuesday evening, November 17, Ahmed Ghazzawi, a medical student at Hebrew University from Acre, was trying to get back to his student dorms when the light rail he was riding on was attacked in West Jerusalem by a mob of “hundreds” of religious Jewish settlers (Kahanists) chanting “Kill them, they’re Arabs”. The Kahanists had assembled for a rally near a rail stop. Ghazzawi was accompanying 5 female students (3 wearing hijabs) when the attack took place.

In Ya Aini ‘s report “We escaped certain death in JerusalemGhazzawi issued an alarming warning.  The following quotes of Ghazzawi’s from the article have been translated from Arabic:

“I swear it’s not from fear, but I want to tell the story through your website as a message to all the Arab students at the Hebrew University to take care, because the situation is really serious….We finished our studies yesterday at a late hour, and we went out [Hebrew University is on the east side of Jerusalem though not in occupied territory], I and 5 female students from the university, waiting for the arrival of the Egged bus to take us to the student dormitories. After about an hour it still hadn’t come, so we had to travel on the light rail.”

“On the way, as we were approaching the Central Station [in West Jerusalem], we passed close to a demonstration by groups of religious settlers, it was really big, there were hundreds of them. Then they started to point with their fingers towards our train and attacked it, and started to kick the train and throw stones and tried to open the doors to get to us, and some of them yelled, “Kill them, they’re Muslim Arabs”. We were the only Arabs there.”

“But they did not succeed in getting into the train and they kept throwing many objects towards us, and our car [rail car] was surrounded by settlers, and the Arab girls started to cry from fear at this terrifying situation. Then suddenly some Jewish religious settlers who were inside the train started to help those who were outside to open the doors, but they could not do it either. At that point the train was able to start moving again and we got to the student dormitories safely.”

“It was a feeling that I cannot describe no matter how much I try to explain to you, the bitter end would have been at hand if not for God and His Mercy..When I looked at the girls whom I swore to God I would sacrifice my life to protect them, maybe this is a feeling that Mahmoud Abbas or Ayman Audeh or … will not have. This is the situation we residents of Jerusalem live every day. Even worse than that, many have been killed in this way. This experience will stay with me for the rest of my life. So please beware, my dear friends.

Ali Abunimah reported a “Hate Rally” of Kahanist Jews that took place earlier in the same day on November 17, outside the court proceedings of a border police officer who was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the killing of Nadim Nuwara on Nakba Day.

Electronic Intifada:

In this video, originally posted in the Facebook group, Israelis can be seen listening to a speech in support of the “magavnik” and shouting sectarian and racist slogans including “medinat yehudim” – meaning a “state for the Jews only.”

The speaker asks that “all the Arabs of Israel die to atone for him [the magavnik].” Many in the crowd answer “Amen.”

There’s no certainty the mob that attacked Ghazzawi and fellow students was an extension of this “hate rally” earlier in the day. But this is the climate in Jerusalem right now, and Ghazzawi’s warning echos “please beware, my dear friends”.

(Hat tip Ofer Neiman)

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  1. amigo
    November 23, 2014, 1:34 pm

    ” Last Tuesday evening, November 17, Ahmed Ghazzawi, a medical student at Hebrew University from Acre, was trying to get back to his student dorms when the light rail he was riding on was attacked in West Jerusalem by a mob of “hundreds” of religious Jewish settlers (Kahanists) chanting “Kill them, they’re Arabs”. ”

    And these are the same jerks who scream antisemitism when the subject of boycotting Israel,s universities is raised.Clearly the intention here is to prevent Palestinians from getting an education.

    • pabelmont
      November 23, 2014, 3:38 pm

      No, the intention here is to prevent them from living (or from living comfortably). Pogroms, lynchings, etc., are widely known elements of racism-in-action. this is racism-in-action.

      The ever charming NYT might report the matter if Arabs were killed. But it would pain the Zios to admit (to print) that there were Kahanists alive and well out there, or racists, or Jewish terrorists, etc. Imagine a newspaper printing facts, or facing facts!

      • amigo
        November 23, 2014, 4:18 pm

        “No, the intention here is to prevent them from living (or from living comfortably). Pogroms, lynchings, etc., are widely known elements of racism-in-action. this is racism-in-action.”Pabelmont.

        Agreed that their intention is way beyond preventing education.In fact this is way beyond racism.It is on the outskirts of mass murder and if this crowd is let loose , the NYT will have trouble covering up the ideology (kahanism) behind this.They will also have trouble hiding the fact that Israel,s leaders are happy to stand by and let it happen as they fake opposition through their mealy mouth fake promises to crack down on it as evidenced by the loosening of gun laws for example.

        It does not look good for Israel.Nietanyahu has lost control and the illegal settlers are taking over.

  2. seafoid
    November 23, 2014, 2:04 pm

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/jerusalem-babylon/.premium-1.600000

    “Yeshayahu Leibowitz understood this already 60 years ago, when he wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.”
    Less than six years after the creation of a sovereign state with a powerful army, Leibowitz wrote that the “real religious and moral meaning of our political rebirth and the return to our hands of the use of force” would be a severe test for Jews who were too accustomed to being victims. “Can we prove capable not only of suffering for these values we exalted, but also acting upon them?” he asked. “It’s easy to suffer, physically and materially for values, even to sacrifice our lives: that necessitates only physical courage which exists in surprising quantities among all human gatherings. It’s difficult to suffer for values, when this suffering means also giving up things which are also seen as values.”
    In the decades after 1967, Leibowitz would be excoriated by the right wing for his fierce criticism of the occupation which he, perhaps inexcusably, described as “Judeo-Nazi.” But he was speaking as a fervent Zionist who was one of the first to see how the success of Zionism meant we had to realize we were no longer victims and that victory came with a moral price. It was “the great test we are faced with by national liberation, political independence and sovereign power — as a nation, a society and a culture which for generations had the privilege of mental and spiritual enjoyment in exile, foreign-rule and self-impotence.” ”

    Israel continues to fail the test.
    They didn’t have enough shared history to make their state work.

  3. seafoid
    November 23, 2014, 2:09 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/23/archbishop-of-westminster-gaza-war-cardinal-vincent-nichols-palestine

    “The archbishop of Westminster said he was deeply shocked by his first visit to Gaza on Sunday, and that he had seen “a deeply depressing situation in a devastated region where people are trapped”.
    Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the leader of the Roman Catholic church in England and Wales, toured neighbourhoods of Gaza that were virtually flattened during the 50-day war between Israel and Hamas in the summer. He visited a hospital and an industrial zone that were badly damaged by air strikes and shelling, and an orphanage caring for dozens of traumatised children, some of whom had been given up by parents unable to care for them.
    “I was deeply shocked at the effects of war and endemic poverty,” he told the Guardian. “Pope Francis has said there must be an end to war, and when you see the effect in a place like Gaza it reinforces that.”
    There was little sign of rubble being cleared, let alone reconstruction, he said. “It’s astonishing the number of people with the appearance of nothing to do – people just sitting on the streets. There is only the barest sense of order. This is not an economy that is going to be able to support its population.”

  4. amigo
    November 23, 2014, 2:20 pm

    “There was little sign of rubble being cleared, let alone reconstruction, he said. “It’s astonishing the number of people with the appearance of nothing to do – people just sitting on the streets. There is only the barest sense of order. This is not an economy that is going to be able to support its population.”

    Music to the zionist ear.

  5. Marnie
    November 23, 2014, 2:38 pm

    I am so thankful to God this young man and his young companions escaped without physical harm. The psychological harm I’m afraid will be with them for a long time. The settlers are nothing but Klan, they just wear a different costume.

  6. Giles
    November 23, 2014, 3:22 pm

    The Third Reich has been reborn under the banner of Zionism.

    • Kay24
      November 23, 2014, 6:09 pm

      I am getting convinced, of that fact. All the vicious crimes by Israel, and the ugly behavior of some of it’s citizens, including the illegal settlers, show that indeed their behavior is similar to the ones who made them suffer years ago. The young settlers are like Nazi youth, out of control, and ready to inflict pain on those who are not of their own kind. They show the same arrogance and supremacy, that their people were shown. These racist chants and mob mentality are utterly disgusting.

      I can just image how terrified these poor students were, and that if this insane lot were able to get in to the train, the story would have been different today.

  7. gracie fr
    November 23, 2014, 3:52 pm

    Karen Armstrong:

    …… nationalism is hardly rational. But you know, we need mythology in our lives, because that’s what we are. I agree, we should be as rational as we possibly can, especially when we’re dealing with the fates of our own populations and the fates of other peoples. But we don’t, ever. There are always the stories, the myths we tell ourselves, that enable us to inject some kind of ultimate significance, however hard we try to be rational.

    We’re haunted by terrible fears and paranoias. We’re frightened beings. When people are afraid, fear takes over and brings out all kind of irrationality. So, yes, we’re constantly striving to be rational, but we’re not wholly rational beings. Purging isn’t an answer, I think. When you say “purging,” I have visions of some of the catastrophes of the 20th century in which we tried to purge people, and I don’t like that kind of language.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/23/karen_armstrong_sam_harris_anti_islam_talk_fills_me_with_despair/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

  8. ivri
    November 23, 2014, 3:54 pm

    Well, this student feared for his life but the 4 Rabbis did not have that luxury – they were (literally) axed…. (with the other 8 praying there seriously wounded)

    • Annie Robbins
      November 23, 2014, 5:04 pm

      your point?

      • ivri
        November 23, 2014, 6:28 pm

        @Annie
        My point? That you keep viewing and presenting things in a one-sided way. This is a century old conflict and there are two sides to it throughout.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 23, 2014, 7:11 pm

        umm, i think the synagogue has gotten a lot of msm attention ivri (saturated). whereas i doubt this event was covered anywhere in english except perhaps some tweets or FB postings. if you have a problem with that go read the mainstream news.

      • just
        November 23, 2014, 10:01 pm

        ivri– it ceased being ‘two- sided’ a long, long time ago.

        it never was anything but Zionist colonialism since nearly the beginning of the late 19th c.

      • ivri
        November 24, 2014, 4:54 am

        @just
        It can`t be more one-sided than the way you describe it… A black and white world is intellectually convenient, alas don`t help too much in understanding conflicts.

    • Kay24
      November 23, 2014, 5:52 pm

      Our hearts go out to those 4 Rabbis, and all victims of senseless crime, but do tell us what you felt when hundreds of unarmed civilians were killed and injured at SEVEN UN Shelters, by Israeli bombs, despite the fact that they had repeated warnings that these poor victims took refuge there by the UN? How about those four little kids playing soccer harmlessly, under the watchful eyes of the media, and those Israeli forces blew them up too, when there was absolutely no imminent danger to them? What luxury did any of them have?

    • talknic
      November 23, 2014, 5:56 pm

      @ ivri
      Well, this student feared for his life but the 4 Rabbis did not have that luxury “

      They could have lived in Israel instead of illegally in Territories Occupied by Israel http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk

      Take your pathetic whining to those responsible for them breaking GC IV, a convention adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power from the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory

    • just
      November 23, 2014, 6:15 pm

      perhaps you need to have a conversation with your government that has incited/provoked/terrorized people non- stop.

    • Kris
      November 23, 2014, 7:11 pm

      Ivri, are you saying that it’s better to be terrified first, and THEN killed? And that the 4 Rabbis should have been given the “luxury” of extreme fear, before they were killed?

      Israel, as a rule, makes sure that the Palestinians that the IDF kills are terrified first, and THEN killed. Maybe this is why apologists for Israel can claim that the IDF is the world’s “most moral” army?

    • Giles
      November 24, 2014, 8:20 am

      Ivri. You poor, racist dupe. Israel kills far more innocent people than do Palestinians kill noncombatant Israeli Jews but you care only about the Jews.

    • CigarGod
      November 24, 2014, 9:44 am

      Ivri,
      How do you feel about innocent students saved from a raging racist mob by a thin layer of metal and glass?

  9. just
    November 23, 2014, 6:08 pm

    oh look! this student will have even more reason to be very afraid, look what’s likely to be next:

    “A controversial bill that officially defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people has been approved by cabinet despite warnings that the move risks undermining the country’s democratic character.

    Opponents, including some cabinet ministers, said the new legislation defined reserved “national rights” for Jews only and not for its minorities, and rights groups condemned it as racist.

    The bill, which is intended to become part of Israel’s basic laws, would recognise Israel’s Jewish character, institutionalise Jewish law as an inspiration for legislation and delist Arabic as a second official language.

    Arab Muslims and Christians make up 20% of Israel’s population.

    The cabinet passed the bill by a 14-7 majority after reports of rancorous exchanges during the meeting, including between the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, and his justice minister, Tzipi Livni.

    The bill, which still requires the Knesset’s approval to become a law, comes as tensions between Israelis and Palestinians rise sharply, and friction within Israel’s Arab minority grows.

    Opponents include two of the more centrist parties in Netanyahu’s fragile coalition – which say the bill is being pushed through with forthcoming primaries in the prime minster’s rightwing Likud party in mind – and senior government officials including the attorney general.

    According to many critics, the new wording would weaken the wording of Israel’s declaration of independence, which states that the new state would “be based on the principles of liberty, justice and freedom expressed by the prophets of Israel [and] affirm complete social and political equality for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender”.

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    Among those to voice their opposition was the finance minister, Yair Lapid, who said he had spoken to the family of Zidan Saif, a Druze policeman killed in last week’s deadly attack on a Jerusalem synagogue.

    “What will we tell his family? That he is a second-class citizen in the state of Israel because someone has primaries in the Likud?” he asked.

    Netanyahu argued that the law was necessary because people were challenging the notion of Israel as a Jewish homeland.

    “There are many who are challenging Israel’s character as the national state of the Jewish people. The Palestinians refuse to recognise this and there is also opposition from within.

    “There are those, including those who deny our national rights, who would like to establish autonomy in the Galilee and the Negev.”

    more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/23/israeli-cabinet-approves-bill-defining-nation-state-jewish-people

    • seafoid
      November 23, 2014, 6:12 pm

      “be based on the principles of liberty, justice and freedom expressed by the prophets of Israel [and] affirm complete social and political equality for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender”. –

      That never happened. Justice is a sick joke in Israel.
      Equality would be wonderful.

      “institutionalise Jewish law as an inspiration for legislation”

      Fabulous. Orthodox law will be magnificent. No sex unless through a kosher sheet.
      Women to be separate from men at all times other than via a kosher sheet.

      Reform and Conservative law will be deeply suspect.

      • just
        November 23, 2014, 6:22 pm

        It’s one crazy place, but at least their agenda is crystal clear.

        And there will be no constitution until…… (if ever)

      • eljay
        November 23, 2014, 6:34 pm

        >> A controversial bill that officially defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people has been approved by cabinet despite warnings that the move risks undermining the country’s democratic character.

        I fail to see the controversy, given that Israel…
        – was envisioned;
        – was founded;
        – has operated for over 60 years;
        – is regularly promoted; and
        – is defended,
        …as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • Marnie
      November 24, 2014, 12:52 am

      Nuremberg Laws revisited with gusto.

    • Walid
      November 24, 2014, 4:41 pm

      Just, the Druze in Israel are part of the non-people. They are used by Israel but they are not considered full citizens. I think it was you that wrote about the Druze soldier in the north not being allowed into a bar because he wasn’t Jewish.

      Israelis are back with their old decades-old plan promising to give their Druze their own state that cuts across south Lebanon between the sea and Jabal al-Sheikh that the Zionists call “Hermon”. The purpose is to create a buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon using the promised Druze enclave, but the Druze of Lebanon, Syria and Israel are not buying into it because they simply don’t trust the Israelis. Israel had tried this tactic once before with the Christians but their plan collapsed. There is now a movement among the young Druze in Israel to resist the military draft even if it means a prison sentence.

      • Walid
        November 24, 2014, 4:44 pm

        Just, I forgot to mention that in the current reviving of the Druze state by Israel, it’s telling the Druze that they either unite under the Israeli flag to get their own state or to be ready to have ISIS unleashed on to them.

      • just
        November 24, 2014, 5:01 pm

        Thanks, Walid. I did not realize that.

  10. seafoid
    November 23, 2014, 6:31 pm

    More news on Yossi Israeli’s insomnia

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.628065

    “Iranian missiles with pinpoint accuracy that Hezbollah has received are the “real deterrent factor” in its confrontation with Israel, a leader of the militant Lebanese group told Iran’s Tasnim News Agency on Sunday.

    “They (Israelis) are well aware that Hezbollah is in possession of missiles with pinpoint accuracy, and thanks to the equipment Hezbollah acquired, and with the Islamic Republic’s support and Hezbollah’s readiness for any future war, this war will be much tougher for the Israelis,” Sheikh Naim Qassem, deputy secretary general of Hezbollah, told Tasnim.

    Hezbollah has received Fateh-class Conqueror missiles that could reach Dimona, Revolutionary Guards Brigidier General Sayed Majid Moussavi reportedly said, according to Lebanese website YaLibnan, which cited Fars News Agency. The missiles have a range of 250 to 350 kilometers and are reportedly fitted with a 500kg warhead. Israel has been worried about such missiles getting into Hezbollah’s hands, according to the Associated Press.
    Qassem stressed that Iran also provided training to Hezbollah forces to prepare and launch the projectiles as well as technical know-how to make more missiles, according to Tasnim. ”

    Dimona would be some hit.

    • Kay24
      November 23, 2014, 6:47 pm

      I would call that leveling the playing field. It was predictable, that after a while the bully would be shown that it is not the only kid in the neighborhood with the shiny toys. Israel is out of control, dangerous, and resorts to bullying. It was only a matter of time that other nations would want to defend themselves from the bully too – and what better way than equally deadly weapons.

      The Beebs is all outraged at Iran, because of these very reasons. He cannot bear the thought that Israel will be checkmated by Iran, that is why he kept urging the world to attack Iran, and
      wanted all their toys taken away. What goes around, comes around, and it will indeed come to those who deserve it.

    • just
      November 23, 2014, 7:57 pm

      Netanyahu will do anything to undermine the US negotiations. It’s time for John Kerry et al to fish or cut bait.

      He needs to put the US national security & regional stability first.

      Tell Netanyahu that his whining and red lines are “unhelpful”.

      • seafoid
        November 24, 2014, 3:37 am

        Fateh class is a great name. It is the name for the PLO and means “open”.

  11. just
    November 23, 2014, 7:51 pm

    Speaking of medical students and doctors, this is a really good article by Belal Dabour, MD about banned humanitarian Mads Gilbert, MD:

    “I first met Dr Mads Gilbert in November 2011, almost exactly three years ago.

    I was a medical student in my 4th year at the time, and I had just begun clinical training. Dr. Mads was on a visit to the Gaza Strip, one of many to Gaza and the West Bank he undertakes regularly to tutor medical students and doctors on how to deal with trauma and cope with the stress of war.

    I remember his lectern was on the left side of the hall. My seat was on the far right. At the time, I had not heard of the man, and while he was preparing his slideshow, a friend and I tried to guess his age. We were shocked that he was in his seventh decade; whatever toll the years had exacted on his body, he compensated for in enthusiasm and spirit.

    His lecture lasted well over two hours. It was one of the most interesting lectures I had ever attended. The slideshow contained real photos of injuries he had treated in Beirut back during the Israel siege in 1982, in Palestine during the first and second intifadas as well as in Gaza in 2008.

    By banning this 67-year-old doctor, Israel not only ridicules itself but insults all humanity. Still, it is good to know that all the most sophisticated weaponry in the world is no match for a free spirit.”

    – See more at: http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/13b77bf0-5d5c-47bf-b1ca-9b6108b94367#sthash.82lPv2Ad.dpuf

  12. pgtl10
    November 23, 2014, 9:11 pm

    Annie,

    Your article can’t be right! Afterall, Jodi says we Palestinians have rights:

    “Once again, the assailants were believed to have acted alone, a deep new challenge to Israeli intelligence services. Once again, they were Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem, with Israeli identification cards that allowed them to move freely, and a host of grievances about their treatment in a restive patch of fiercely disputed turf.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world/middleeast/in-jerusalem-war-of-neighbors-the-differences-are-not-negotiable.html

    Doesn’t anybody else think Jodi sounds like a slave owner? I feel someone in the 1800s would have said that giving blacks better meal privileges means they have no grievances.

    • just
      November 23, 2014, 9:41 pm

      “Doesn’t anybody else think Jodi sounds like a slave owner? I feel someone in the 1800s would have said that giving blacks better meal privileges means they have no grievances.”

      I do.

  13. Jackdaw
    November 24, 2014, 6:54 am

    Front page news on Mondoweiss, and not a word about the incident anywhere else.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 24, 2014, 11:43 am

      jack, all of our articles first appear on the front page. so every article is a front page article at some point. however, this article is not “featured”. featured articles are listed in a separate longer column (on the front page right side) and remain on the front page longer. whereas this article (like all articles in our “i/p” list http://mondoweiss.net/israel-palestine ) will probably roll off the page by the end of the day as there are only 3 spots available for each category at the base of the page. iow, it’s just an ordinary post on mondoweiss and treated like all the others, no different.

      and it is untrue the incident is not anywhere else. it is on a local news site similar to ma’an with listings by local region:

      Radio 19 ° Weather Acre and the region and the region Shfar’am Buttof and the region and the region of Haifa and Nazareth region Triangle Jaffa and the center of Jerusalem

      i just have to access it thru google translate as there is no english version (like ma’an). what’s you’ve written is the equivalent of claiming hebrew only news sources don’t count.

      this is also featured on several FB pages.

    • eljay
      November 24, 2014, 12:02 pm

      >> Jackdaweee: Front page news on Mondoweiss, and not a word about the incident anywhere else.

      I totally agree with you: It’s shameful that the MSM buries news that exposes or highlights ugly truths about Jewish supremacism in the supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • talknic
      November 25, 2014, 8:18 am

      @ Jackdaw “Front page news on Mondoweiss, and not a word about the incident anywhere else”

      FIRST LINE ” We picked up this frightening report from Ya Aini (Arabic), a local news website”

      Intelligent help sure must be hard to come by at Hasbara central

  14. Kay24
    November 24, 2014, 7:27 am

    I found this interesting article about a Palestinian woman’s clothing being torn off by zio settler youth, and thought their expression of hatred and anger very telling. They look like human animals.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34f_1346531673

  15. mariapalestina
    November 24, 2014, 12:59 pm

    Ivri brings up (again & again) the Israelis killed recently in a synagogue built on the ruins of Deir Yassin. It’s somewhat telling that he mentions only the “4 rabbis” as if the 5th victim doesn’t count because he wasn’t Jewish.

    • just
      November 24, 2014, 7:10 pm

      hmmmmm.

    • yonah fredman
      November 24, 2014, 7:33 pm

      The soldier/policeman who was killed defending the rabbis, certainly deserves mention. but the target of the terrorists were the rabbis and that’s why they chose that locale to loosen their gun and their hatchets and the police who came to save the rabbis were collateral damage. if the terrorists had attacked a police station and a rabbi had come to protect the police from the terrorists… but it’s not like that. it’s just that the target of the terrorists was a synagogue. Soldiers and cops leave for work every day knowing that they are on the front line. so there is a difference. Civilians and soldiers are different sorts of targets.

      • mariapalestina
        November 25, 2014, 1:42 am

        Yonah, I have the feeling if the cop had been Jewish you wouldn’t be calling him collateral damage. But I’m glad to see you acknowledge civilians & soldiers are different sorts of targets, since most Israeli victims are soldiers or police and thus collateral damage.

      • talknic
        November 25, 2014, 8:30 am

        @ yonah fredman Go whine to the people who’re responsible for Israelis illegally being in Occupied Territories http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk where they’re very likely to become the victims of the violence expected when you occupy another people. More so when you steal their territory.

        GC IV exists to protect civilians, including those of the Occupying Power. Only really stupid, sick, &*&^wit Governments would purposefully encourage and assist their citizens to break such a law. Seems that’s the only sort of Government Israel has ever had …

      • seafoid
        November 25, 2014, 10:00 am

        Yonah

        Palestinian mothers and fathers and kids wake up in the morning knowing that they are on the front line.
        Just because they aren’t Jewish.

      • yonah fredman
        November 25, 2014, 4:48 pm

        mariapalestina- I am calling this the murder of the praying rabbis. that’s the title in my mind. there were four praying rabbis, any cop would be extraneous to that headline.

  16. Kay24
    November 24, 2014, 7:52 pm

    Who says Israel is a democracy? There is no free speech, especially for Arabs (even though what they may say is the truth).

    “Arab MK evicted from Knesset for calling Feiglin ‘fascist’
    Both Jamal Zahalka (Balad) and Mohammed Barakeh (Hadash) ordered out of the chamber by acting speaker Moshe Feiglin during no-confidence debate.

    MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) was forcibly removed from the Knesset podium and dragged out of the plenum on Monday evening after he called Moshe Feiglin (Likud), the acting speaker, a fascist.

    Prior to Zahalka’s eviction, MK Mohammed Barakeh (Hadash) was removed from the plenum, also at the behest of Feiglin, for allegedly shouting “You should be suffocated” at the acting speaker.” Haaretz

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