What is the vision of Jews who want to replace Al Aqsa mosque with temple?

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What is the vision of the Jews who want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem?

Last Thursday night in Jerusalem I went to a rally of about 200 of these messianic Jews and spoke to four of them at some length. I’ve posted three video interviews below, which express some of the ideas I heard.

These Jews explained that when the temple is rebuilt, no Muslim holy places would remain on the Temple Mount– or Haram al Sharif, as Muslims describe the site. How the Muslim sites would be removed these Jews could not say. “We don’t know the exact detail,” said a psychotherapist who gave his name as Yechiel Israel. There are hints, he said: earthquake or war. He pointed out that a Lubavitcher rabbi advised in 1967 that the Israeli army blow up the Al Aqsa mosque and Dome of the Rock—and the Six Day War had been a “window of opportunity” that wasn’t taken (video below).

Ynet reported that the demonstrators chanted in Hebrew, “The mosque will burn, the temple rebuilt.” And one demonstrator said to me that the Western Wall was merely the “wrapping” on the Haram-al-Sharif/Temple Mount, as if the plateau was a gift from God to the Jews.

Many of the demonstrators wore masks to impersonate Rabbi Yehuda Glick, the third temple activist who was shot a week before, allegedly by a Palestinian, after such a demonstration. Glick is still in the hospital in serious condition; his alleged assailant was killed by Israeli police. Here are three boys wearing those masks.

These Jews claimed to me that “all Jews” of all persuasions want the temple rebuilt. Their insistence reminded me of Islamists who claim that all Muslims support thus-and-such extremist policies. All Jews pray for rebuilding the temple at the end of the Passover seder and the end of Yom Kippur, when they say, “Next year in Jerusalem”, the activists said to me. “They are begging and requesting to God to bring about the restoration of the temple,” Michael Wolfowitz said.

These believers all complained bitterly that they have limited access to the temple mount, less than 1/6th of the Muslim access to the site. Not that Muslims will have access when the temple is rebuilt. “We cannot share any kind of sovereignty,” one said.

And when I asked a young American named Jeremy, What do you think this country will look like in 100 years? he responded with a religious vision: I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices. People of all former religions from all over the world, he said– because then the messiah would be here and the other religions would disappear.

These Jews also asserted that almost all Israeli Jews agree with them. But foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman has said that the calls for Jews to pray on the temple mount are a provocation, and some rabbis have said that it goes against Jewish law to pray on the temple mount before the messiah has arrived or all the Jews have in-gathered in Jerusalem. (It’s hard to keep all the theology here straight.)

Much of the rhetoric I heard was aggressive. The Jews I spoke to said that Israeli authorities had been far too soft in responding to Palestinian violent acts in Jerusalem. Jeremy said that Palestinians should be paid to leave Israel and the West Bank and go to Jordan. “What’s Palestine?” Yaacov Hayman, a tall bearded American-Israeli, said to me when I used the word “Palestinian.”

Hayman said that Muslims carried out violent acts and played football on the Haram al-Sharif, and that Israeli authorities have to stop that behavior. “The Muslims don’t see it as a holy place, they just see it a political place.”

But it is political to the demonstrators too. Many spoke about government policy toward Palestinians. “We think the response is soft,” Michael Wolfowitz said to me. “Any other normal country” would act to restore calm and quiet far more quickly. “We support harsher responses…the majority of people in Israel now are in favor of ending the violence,” he said.
The rally was highlighted by a speech from the former member of Knesset Michael Ben-Ari, who is a Kahanist, or militant Jewish chauvinist. His speech is in Hebrew, and I am hoping for a translation, but the spirit comes through.

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  1. Basilio
    November 9, 2014, 6:26 am

    When are American Jews going to wake up to what is being done in Israel? I mean this behavior’s just ridiculous. People make it seem that Muslims simply don’t want Jews to pray there.

    • Kay24
      November 9, 2014, 8:25 am

      The controlled Congress, and zionist owned media, make sure the American people do not wake up, but keep living in an ignorant stupor. Miraculously, they keep making them feel the bully is the victim, and that since Jesus is coming soon, the Jews must keep the power going over there.

    • bilal a
      November 9, 2014, 11:17 am

      This does not seem to be an issue or Israeli religious practice, rather it may be an American led political provocation, and lastly an important security concern:

      1) 3 out of 3 interviewed above are American Jews (living in Israel). The ZOA and AJC are American institutions apparently to the right even of the Likud government.

      2) Islamic law permits Jews to pray in Mosques but rabbis consistently for ages do not permit it under Jewish halaka law, hence this is ethno nationalism, not Judaism.

      3) Jordanian and Muslim concern over ews praying in the Mosque compound perhaps see this not as an Islamic issue, but as a political one, as Muslim authorities retain some sovereignty there.

      4) The Kahanist zionist Jewish extremists are armed and violent, there is perhaps a netanyahu concern that these armed settlers may initiate another msss murder

      JDL Praises Baruch Goldstein’s Massacre of Palestinians
      Kahanist Group Calls Israeli Murderer a ‘Saint’ in Eulogy

      Read more: http://forward.com/articles/193662/french-jdl-praises-baruch-goldstein-s-massacre-o/#ixzz3IaY7aiOM

      video obtained by Ynet depicts Jewish residents of east Jerusalem’s Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood during their Purim celebrations singing songs of praise for Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist who murdered 29 Palestinians 16 years ago at the Cave of the Patriarchs.

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3857671,00.html

      • gracie fr
        November 9, 2014, 3:42 pm

        All the razzle dazzle “democratic principles” jargon coming out of the mouths of those interviewed… logical as many of ultra Zionists seem to have grown up in multicultural north America.

        But can some one shed some light on the WHY and HOW they became so single mindedly obsessed? It’s as if evil deed Baruch Goldstein, an American doctor spawned a new generation with one aim in mind! Why from the States? Why from Canada?

      • Sycamores
        November 9, 2014, 5:13 pm

        gracie fr,

        the third temple movement looks like a money racket https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/build-the-third-temple–3

      • Mikhael
        November 10, 2014, 4:50 pm

        bilal a
        November 9, 2014, 11:17 am

        This does not seem to be an issue or Israeli religious practice, rather it may be an American led political provocation, and lastly an important security concern:

        1) 3 out of 3 interviewed above are American Jews (living in Israel).

        It’s not primarily an American-led movement, and the reason that the three interviewees had American backgrounds is because monolingual Weiss can’t interview people in Hebrew. Of course, it’s got nothing to with “American” Jewish belief versus “Israeli” Jewish belief. Standard, normative Jewish belief for thousands of years (prior to the emergence of Reform Judaism in the 19th century) has been to pray for the rebuilding of the Temple. By logic, that means replacing the Qubbat As-Sakhrah and Al Aqsa. The most “anti-Zionist” Orthodox Jews, such as the Neturei Karta, who anti-Israel types often point to admiringly as representatives of authentic Judaism who are opposed to Zionism and as evidence that they have nothing against Jews or Judaism per se, merely Zionism, also fervently pray for the Jewish Messiah and the restoration of the Beit ha Miqdash, which implies destruction of the Muslim mosques on Har haBayit. However, only a fringe group of radical Orthodox Jews (albeit dangerous) endorse the idea of actually giving God a helping hand to hasten this hoped-for event through violence and are not content with merely praying for the Messiah. However, most Orthodox Jews don’t believe in actively hastening it (or say that the Messiah will be “hastened” through true repentance of the entirety of the Jewish nation and collectively observing the commandments). However, secular Jews and Zionists do not care or pray for any divinely revealed “Messiah” or believe that any Temple would be rebuilt, and certainly don’t eagerly anticipate notion of the restoration of animal sacrifice (qorbanot) . Most Israelis support the status quo, and most religious do as well. Nevertheless. belief in the Third Temple is an essential part of Judaism to devout Jews (just like Jesucult people actually think that the J man is supposed to come back too), and whether they support political Zionism and the Israeli state in its present form or not, the mosques on the Temple Mount are viewed as an open sore to many. That’s how it is. Don’t delude yourselves. On the other hand, secular Zionists (like yours truly) have no need for belief in a rebuilt Temple, and we are content with the wonders of modern Israel as it is today.

        Islamic law permits Jews to pray in Mosques but rabbis consistently for ages do not permit it under Jewish halaka law, hence this is ethno nationalism, not Judaism.

        Most halakhic responsa going back to Maimonides explicitly permits Jewish prayer in mosques, but does not permit it in churches that may contain crosses or iconography, as these are regarded as graven images and idol worship (modern non-Orthodox Jewish movements such as Reform don’t care and often share space with churches in the USA). I do not know whether your assertion that Sharia regards Jewish prayer in a mosque as permissible is true or not, but if such is the case, then why does the Waqf interfere with Jews reciting Jewish prayers in Hebrew while wearing identifiably Jewish religious garb on the Temple Mount? The practice has been to permit non-Muslims (whether Jewish or otherwise) to visit the mosques, but if a Jew touring the compounds dares to whip out a kippa and recite a Jewish prayer, it is a considered a provocation and grounds for immediate expulsion from the site, and this is actually enforced by Israeli police, who are charged with keeping order. Jews visiting the Temple Mount are instructed to not even move their lips in silent prayer.

  2. bilal a
    November 9, 2014, 7:21 am

    This conflict is as old as modernity:

    “Overall, historians agree that modernity is rooted in traditionallyJewish social functions and attribute to Jews of 18th- 20th century Eastern Europe the role as a driving forceof capitalism and market development (e.g., Sombart 1913; Jacobs 1919; Veblen 1919; Slezkine 2004;Botticini and Eckstein 2005, Muller 2010).
    ..
    Finally, we suggest a plausible mechanism that can explain the long-run effects of the Pale. Weargue that the non-Jewish population developed a special anti-market culture and bonding trust amongrepresentatives of their own group at the time when Jews and non-Jews lived side-by-side in towns andshtetls inside the Pale. Historical sources document hostility, rivalry, and little social interaction beyondmarket transactions between Jews and local non-Jewish population (Hoffman 1997, Slezkine 2004). The presence of a rival group in close proximity with alien religion, traditions and language, and with a veryspecific social role as market intermediary, created pressure on the non-Jews to unite against the Jews.This social pressure had two important consequences for the non-Jewish population within the Pale. First,ethnic antagonism between the two groups led to the development of within-group solidarity and trust. Asthis kind of trust developed in opposition to the rival group, it is often referred to as “bonding” (restrictedto homogenous groups) as opposed to “bridging” (across diverse social groups) social capital (Fukuyama1995; Putnam 2000), or “limited” as opposed to “generalized” morality (Tabellini 2008). Second, sinceJews as a group represented a liberal pro-market force by their distinct traditional occupations, ethnichostility of the non-Jewish population against Jews triggered the development of an anti-market cultureamong the non-Jewish population as anti-market sentiment was equated with anti-Jewish sentiment. Weargue that both the anti-market culture and within-group bonds have persisted among descendants of thenon-Jewish population up to the present day”

    http://www.academia.edu/2044298/Persistent_Anti-Market_Culture_A_Legacy_of_the_Pale_of_Settlement_after_the_Holocaust

    • JLewisDickerson
      November 9, 2014, 11:11 am

      RE: “Our results highlight that self-identification of a majority and cohesion among its members may depend on the presence of a minority.” ~ from ‘Persistent Anti-market Culture: A Legacy of the Pale of Settlement after the Holocaust’

      MY COMMENT: An interesting (albeit somewhat disturbing) premise!

      • Mooser
        November 9, 2014, 11:17 am

        Well, gee, one could test that premise by comparing it to what Jews did when they were relatively free to make their own choices, couldn’t they?
        Which is why there are so many shtetls in the US, I guess.

      • bilal a
        November 9, 2014, 1:21 pm

        Interesting the professors make the case that Gentiles used non-universal values, that is , a kind of in group chosen-ness, to resist the predations of the intermediaries, and this was the source of an anti-market racial hatred, or was it exactly the reverse, vice versa ?

        “is often referred to as “bonding” (restricted to homogenous groups) as opposed to “bridging” (across diverse social groups) social capital .. or “limited” as opposed to “generalized” morality –

        Does this have an implication for Palestine, is it not true that the physical construction of the displacing gentrification settlements is left to the blue collared arab workers, while the intermediaries will eventually live there ?

        How much of this is just ‘anti-market’ sentiment?

    • American
      November 10, 2014, 10:07 am

      Another day another load of pilpul.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    November 9, 2014, 7:28 am

    RE: “And when I asked a young American named Jeremy, What do you think this country will look like in 100 years? he responded with a religious vision: I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer also liked animal sacrifices, but I suspect Ishmael would think it a bit too “frantic”!*

    *ISHMAEL (from Moby-Dick, 1851):

    “I have no objection to any person’s religion, be it what it may, so long as that person does not kill or insult any other person, because that other person don’t believe it also. But when a man’s religion becomes really frantic; when it is a positive torment to him; and, in fine, makes this earth of ours an uncomfortable inn to lodge in; then I think it high time to take that individual aside and argue the point with him.”

    SOURCE – http://lit.genius.com/Herman-melville-moby-dick-chap-17-the-ramadan-annotated

    • Mooser
      November 9, 2014, 3:37 pm

      ” I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices.”

      “Yeah, yeah ultra-religious, Bible, yeah all that, frum, frum, frum, til Daddy takes it away.” Mooser said, backing away slowly, and went off to warn everybody to keep a close eye on their cats and dogs, and other pets.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    November 9, 2014, 7:32 am

    RE: “And when I asked a young American named Jeremy, What do you think this country will look like in 100 years? he responded with a religious vision: I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Jeffrey Dahmer also liked animal sacrifices, but I suspect Ishmael would think it a bit too “frantic”!*

    *ISHMAEL (from Moby-Dick, 1851):

    “I have no objection to any person’s religion, be it what it may, so long as that person does not kill or insult any other person, because that other person don’t believe it also. But when a man’s religion becomes really frantic; when it is a positive torment to him; and, in fine, makes this earth of ours an uncomfortable inn to lodge in; then I think it high time to take that individual aside and argue the point with him.”

    SOURCE – http://lit.genius.com/Herman-melville-moby-dick-chap-17-the-ramadan-annotated

    • bilal a
      November 9, 2014, 7:46 am

      Interesting the Mormons, who lalrady have temples, agree:

      sponsored mormon zionist writer bishop at the jewish journal causes controversy

      Mark Paredes is a Mormon bishop in Los Angeles. He has worked for the ZOA, the American Jewish Congress, and the Consulate General of Israel in Los Angeles. He has also served as a U.S. diplomat in Israel and Mexico.
      http://www.jewishjournal.com/jews_and_mormons/item/about

      Harry Reid not a worthy Mormon? LDS Church, Dems cry foul

      In the aftermath of this week’s elections, an LDS bishop in Los Angeles set off political fireworks by asserting in a blog that Mormon Sen. Harry Reid was not worthy to enter one of the faith’s temples for his support of Democratic Party stances.

      Writing on his long-standing blog at the Jewish Journal, Paredes began by describing one of the “temple recommend” questions (meant to gauge adherence to Mormon beliefs and practices) that asks members if they “support, affiliate with or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the [LDS Church].”

      http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/1797370-155/church-mormon-lds-political-reid-democratic

    • JLewisDickerson
      November 9, 2014, 8:11 am

      P.S. ALSO RE: “And when I asked a young American named Jeremy, What do you think this country will look like in 100 years? he responded with a religious vision: I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices.” ~ Weiss

      MY COMMENT: Sadly, Jeffrey Dahmer will have missed his chance, but “Pastor” John Hagee and his genetically engineered “perfect red heifer” will no doubt be leading the pack to make animal sacrifices at the temple!

      SEE: “Pastor Strangelove”, by Sarah Posner, American Prospect, 05/21/06

      [EXCERPTS] . . . Besides his million-dollar compensation package, [John] Hagee has a portfolio of other ventures, including a cattle ranch in south Texas that may have religious significance. Many evangelicals believe that the arrival of a “perfect red heifer” will signal the end times. In the Old Testament, burning a red heifer and sprinkling its ashes is described as a purification ritual for priests entering the temple. Ultra-orthodox Jews believe that the birth of a modern perfect red heifer will herald the arrival of the messiah, leading to a confrontation with Muslims over the Temple Mount, where Jews believe the Temple will be rebuilt. Some evangelicals likewise regard the red heifer as a harbinger of the ultimate showdown at the Temple Mount, which they believe will be the site of the Second Coming. And they believe that time is near.
      To many other observers, the advent of the red heifer threatens to provoke a violent struggle for control of the Temple Mount, with worldwide repercussions. In the late 1990s, a group of unidentified Texas ranchers reportedly bred a perfect red heifer, which generated excitement in evangelical circles until the animal sprouted some black hairs.
      Six years ago, the John C. Hagee Royalty Trust paid more than $5.5 million for a 7,600-acre ranch in Brackettville, Texas, where cattle are raised in a venture with the Texas Israel Agricultural Research Foundation, a nonprofit outfit operated by the pastor. . . Earl [David Earl, Hagee’s lobbyist] said that Hagee wants to share information to improve the production of livestock, particularly cattle, with an Israeli research project, but otherwise claimed to be unsure of the particulars. Dr. Scott Farhart, an obstetrician and trustee of the John C. Hagee Royalty Trust (and an elder at Hagee’s church), did not respond to a request for comment, nor did the director of the ranch. . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://prospect.org/article/pastor-strangelove

      • just
        November 9, 2014, 5:32 pm

        is Glick supposed to be the ‘red heifer’?

      • Mooser
        November 10, 2014, 10:16 am

        “is Glick supposed to be the ‘red heifer’?”

        And I thought I was the spiritual one! Good question!

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 10:37 am

        Wasn’t he a county-western singer back in the ’60s?

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2014, 10:23 am

        “Wasn’t he a county-western singer back in the ’60s? “

        Red Heffer? Sure, he had a minor hit in the Brooklyn market with “By the Time I Get to Jerusalem, (I’ll be Hamburger)”

  5. just
    November 9, 2014, 7:48 am

    1) the guy in the first video is an American from CA. the psychotherapist who needs a real psychotherapist. he’s suffering from MD– messianic disease.
    (We LET them have Mecca?????????)

    2) those kids are indoctrinated cultists. their parents are responsible. wanna bet that they are also settler kiddies?

    3) this American faux Moses says: ” Moslems cut off people’s heads.” “fanatical Moslems” “what is Palestine” he seems devoted to checking Phil’s Jewish bonafides and denigrating “Moslems” as the “problem”.

    4) Another settler (Canadian?) demanding more Israeli violence. He’s an expert, and the MSM is also out to spread “disinformation” about the Arabs who kill Jews. Poor Phil, he’s only a “layperson from NY”.

    those are some very scary (bearded) settlers from the US/ North America. I thank you, Phil. Thanks for making the obvious so very crystal clear.
    I don’t speak Hebrew well enough to understand the last harrumph from Ben- Ari.

    Max is correct — it’s #JSIL.

    “Video of my presentation at London’s SOAS on the war in Gaza and Israeli exceptionalism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u7JWj8FMcoc&feature=youtu.be …”

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

    Here’s what I want to know~ why is the US supporting and arming JSIL while bombing ISIL? Ofer Winter is #JSIL and, according to Max, he is extremely popular in Israel today. Didn’t we make ISIL and JSIL happen?

    What is clear to me is that first, denial of Palestinians is paramount to these messianic extremists. Therefore, genocide of Palestinians and genocidal beliefs against Muslims are inculcated and nurtured in the minds of these people who say it’s all about democracy, song and dance… but they deny the indigenous rights to life of the indigenous people and call for more killing of the “terrorists”, never acknowledging that it is their conscripted IOF that is the “terrorist” force.

    • a blah chick
      November 9, 2014, 9:06 am

      “those are some very scary (bearded) settlers from the US/ North America.”

      Max Blumenthal said that when he attended a similar demo in Jerusalem back in July he never heard so many New York accents outside of New York.

      • Marnie
        November 10, 2014, 3:18 pm

        these americans that are in the settlements have the mind set that they can do whatever they want (wonder where they get that idea?) and that its like the wild west and they are some crazy ass cowboys just a’shootin with guns a’blazin at anything they dont like the looks of. And they have the full backing of the GOI. What a nightmare.

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 7:24 pm

        You know, these are the exact folks that Helen Thomas got canned for speaking out about. Fanatics from New York who travel to Palestine and then tell the Palestinians that it’s not their land.

        She, of course, got railroaded.

  6. JLewisDickerson
    November 9, 2014, 7:50 am

    RE: Much of the demonstration involved the policy toward Palestinians. “We think the response is soft,” Michael Wolfowitz said to me. “Any other normal country” would act to restore calm and quiet far more quickly. ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: So Michael Wolfowitz thinks Israel (with its dreams of animal sacrifice) is a normal country? (LOL)

    FROM JOEL KOVEL, 1-20-13:

    [EXCERPT] . . . As with everyone I know of in official political culture, [Thomas] Friedman assumes that Israel is a rational actor on the international stage who will obey the calculus of reward and punishment that regulates the conduct of normal states.
    The presumption is that if you tell it the truth, and even pull back US support, it will get the message, reflect, and change its ways. But Israel is not a normal state, except superficially. It will make adjustments, pulling back here, co-operating there, making nice when necessary, crafting its message using a powerful propaganda apparatus employing the most up-to-date social science. But this is simply tactical and no more predicts or explains the behavior of the Zionist state than an individual sociopath can be explained by the fact that he obeys traffic signals while driving to the scene of his crime. . .

    SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/israel-nominaton-hagel.html

  7. just
    November 9, 2014, 11:04 am

    thanks to you and MW for exposing this. please American humans, remember this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3Sp6jWQV0

    We’ve in the “Crossroads” for a long time now.

    RIP, Robert Johnson who did sing:

    “Went to the crossroad, fell down on my knees
    I went to the crossroad, fell down on my knees
    Asked the Lord above “Have mercy, now save poor Bob, if you please”

    Yeoo, standin’ at the crossroad, tried to flag a ride
    Ooo eeee, I tried to flag a ride
    Didn’t nobody seem to know me, babe, everybody pass me by

    Standin’ at the crossroad, baby, risin’ sun goin’ down
    Standin’ at the crossroad, baby, eee, eee, risin’ sun goin’ down
    I believe to my soul, now, poor Bob is sinkin’ down

    You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
    You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
    That I got the crossroad blues this mornin’, Lord, babe, I’m sinkin’ down”

    • Mooser
      November 9, 2014, 11:13 am

      BTW, the song “Crossroads” if I am not mistaken, is about the “sundown towns”.

  8. Mooser
    November 9, 2014, 11:08 am

    I saw the videos, and they make me very sad. I promised myself I would pray at the wailing Wahl more often.

  9. John O
    November 9, 2014, 2:47 pm

    In 100 years’ time, there is most likely to be a 50th anniversary edition of the book first published in 2064 – “Netanyahu: the Man who Destroyed Israel”.

    • just
      November 9, 2014, 4:29 pm

      And then there’s going to be a new book: How US Presidents and Congress Allowed Israel to Destroy America…

      (How America ‘Lost’ the ME and Itself: On The Bones and Graves of Innocents)

  10. PilgrimSoul
    November 9, 2014, 4:47 pm

    These interviews are absolutely first-rate journalism. Thanks to Phil and his crew for producing this incontrovertible evidence of the religious fanaticism that threatens the world.

    Gideon Levy at Haaretz: “Anyone who wants to track the progress Israel has made on the steep slope toward fanaticism, religiosity and backwardness must examine its relationship to the Temple Mount. Anyone who insists on labeling Israel a modern Western country can’t ignore the extraordinary change that has taken place in recent years. And anyone who still thinks this is a nonreligious society must heed the dark and insane forces that motivate it.”

    Dark and insane forces…

    The other half of this loathsome equation is the secular nationalists who are promoting these fanatics for their own political reasons. The fundamental orientation that unites the secular and religious extremists is a sadistic desire to harm Palestinians in particular, and Muslims in general. Likud thinks they can “control” the religious extremists…but I’m sorry, once the fire is out of control, you cannot escape, you become part of it.

    I quote again from the website of the Temple Mount Faithful: “Our goal…the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in our lifetime in accordance with the word of G-d and all the Hebrew prophets, and the liberation of the Temple Mount from Arab/Islamic occupation so that it may become consecrated to the name of G-d.”

    That’s a pretty explicit political goal for a bunch of religious fanatics, don’t you think? Let’s face it–for this moment in history, both secular and religious fanatics in Israel want the same thing, the same worldwide war, the same disaster for themselves and for the world. They both have the same goal–maximum destruction.

    Can they be stopped?

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 10:47 am

      Reminds me a bit of how the neocon republicans under Karl Rove used the evengelicals as a ready-made bloc of voters. All the candidates had to do was appear before them and drop a few favorite religious-sounding phrases.

      I don’t see much difference between these Temple Mount radicals and the Taliban, who are also into dysfunctional religiously-inspired destruction. Now if we can only make the connection despite the layers of pro-Israeli BS that maintain that Israel is nothing more than a modern democracy.

      That’s the question.

  11. seafoid
    November 9, 2014, 5:09 pm

    These Jews with the Temple fetish put a building before morality.
    If you read the old testament Gd takes a very dim view of this kind of schmuck thinking so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear news of smiting in the next few weeks with lots of thunder and bright flashes of light.

    Poor gd has has awful trouble with His people over the last 5000 years.
    That business with the golden calf- they still talk about it up there.

    • DoubleStandard
      November 10, 2014, 5:03 pm

      He does have a lot of trouble with us — but obviously finds some reason to keep us around!

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 11:21 am

        “He does have a lot of trouble with us — but obviously finds some reason to keep us around!”

        It’s true, isn’t it, Double Standard? It’s like God is on our side, and no-one can touch us! This will be a comfort to everyone who died in the Holocaust, I’m sure.
        That was just a little, oh correction in an otherwise sunny outlook?

  12. 666
    November 10, 2014, 2:50 am

    this king was struggling to rule his country so he called for the wisest man in his kingdom and asked him for help.the wise man said…….my king all the knowledge you need to help you rule your kingdom is my here in my head

    the king said ……that is good,and shouted out to his warriors…..off with his head,i need his knowledge

  13. just
    November 10, 2014, 3:18 am

    David Sheen and Max Blumenthal in Berlin, in the cold and outside der Volksbühne . There’s a lovely lady speaking solidarity and outrage at their banning by stinkers in German first.

    “Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal · 8h 8 hours ago

    German politicians barred me & @davidsheen from the Volkesbuehne today in Berlin. Here’s what we had to say outside: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nhVmS8jFz2I …”

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

    Max for President 2016!!!

    (I’ve got some ideas for VP, SoS, spokespeople, SoD, and ambassadors galore, and more!)

    • American
      November 10, 2014, 10:10 am

      Max is ripping the German politician zios a new one…..

      https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

      He needs to come back home and do the same thing to our own politican zios.

    • bintbiba
      November 10, 2014, 7:06 pm

      Yaay just.!!! And what an angelic president he would make. Smite me down… don’t you just love seafoid’s “Scmuck thinkers”? !!! What a way with words he does have.

  14. just
    November 10, 2014, 4:40 am

    “Billionaire casino mogul and conservative donor Sheldon Adelson said Sunday that the Palestinians are a made-up nation which exists solely to attempt to destroy Israel.

    “The purpose of the existence of Palestinians is to destroy Israel,” Adelson said Sunday at the close of the first conference of the Israeli-American Council, a Los Angeles-based group aimed at serving Israeli Americans and supporting Israel. “Palestinian narrative created the Palestinian narrative.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.625542

    At the conference, which also featured top Democratic funder Haim Saban, Adelson also said Israel would not be able to survive as a democracy: “So Israel won’t be a democratic state, so what?” he asked Saban, adding that democracy, after all, is not mentioned in the Torah, and recommended that the country build a “big wall” to protect itself, saying, “I would put up a big wall around my property.”

    Sounding surprisingly like a supporter of unilateral withdrawal, he said after the wall is built, Palestinians should be granted five years to prove that they have given up on any intent to destroy Israel.

    Saban and Adelson should buy The New York Times together in an effort to bring more “balance” to the newspaper’s coverage of Israel and the Middle East, Adelson suggested to wild applause. Adelson already owns Israel Hayom, a free Israeli newspaper widely seen as reflecting the positions of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is considered close to Adelson, and, more recently, news website NRG and religious newspaper Makor Rishon. “

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 9:54 am

      Sounding surprisingly like a supporter of unilateral withdrawal, he said after the wall is built, Palestinians should be granted five years to prove that they have given up on any intent to destroy Israel

      Sounds like the Jews are doing a great job of that on their own.

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2014, 10:27 am

      “The purpose of the existence of Palestinians is to destroy Israel,

      Gd must have some reason for them. Maybe Adelson is going to have to have another learning experience.

  15. just
    November 10, 2014, 4:43 am

    sorry that the link went to the middle of the filthy story…

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 9:56 am

      That’s one heck of an alarming story, there, just. Un-bucking-felievable.

  16. 666
    November 10, 2014, 5:31 am

    just says

    “am sorry that the link went to the middle of the filthy story… ”

    every religion gets to build the crowning glory……churches, mosques,pile of stones,pyramids etc

    I used to walk around in the bush and I would come to a place that felt different,a power in the earth……I liked to mark that place with a stick or maybe a few stones…….that’s just natural spirituality,where it all began,

    well what have the jews got in the way of the grand statement in stone

    not much really….so many centuries and we are still struggling

    until now ….so some want to build a 3 rd temple something grand as described in the bible

    the temple mount is an obvious choice because it was the site of the two previous temple,s and obviously certain discoveries have backed this up

    but some things are not to be undone and the dome of the rock must remain as long as G-d ,s will allows it…in the hands of G-d as they say

    no …..instead we must fulfill our destiny and build where we as a jewish people are guided to

    the time has come ,we need to seek and we shall find

  17. Kay24
    November 10, 2014, 7:14 am

    There are no words to describe the sadistic, evil behavior, of these inhuman creatures:

    “In West Bank, Palestinians gird for settler attacks on olive trees

    More than 80,000 Palestinian farmers derive a substantial portion of their annual income from olives. Harvesting the fruit, pressing the oil, selling and sharing the produce is a ritual of life. Now, so is losing trees.

    Last year, the United Nations reported that Israeli settlers damaged or destroyed nearly 11,000 olive trees and saplings owned by Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. The trees were burned, toppled by bulldozers, felled with chain saws.

    For Jews, Christians and Muslims, the olive tree is a symbol of peace and a promise for the future. Many of the trees in the West Bank, their trunks twisted and pocked with age, are hundreds of years old.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-west-bank-palestinians-gird-for-settler-attacks-on-olive-trees/2014/10/21/eb4f5096-54a8-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html

    Why do they keep behaving like savages?

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2014, 8:38 am

      Cutting down olive trees is the modern day equivalent of burning peasants’ fodder for their animals. It’s about forcing them out so that there can be a nice clean “Jewish” space that has FA to do with Judaism.

      A few years ago I met an olive farmer who had his trees destroyed. While they were still around he educated 4 kids to university level with the proceeds of the olives.

      Zionism is an evil ideology.

      • Kay24
        November 10, 2014, 8:57 am

        It is evil personified, and it is like a cancer spreading where it is not wanted. Zionism has brought death and destruction to those around them, zionism makes human beings who follow that ideology, evil, sadistic, greedy, devious, and utterly ruthless. I cannot imagine any people who would stoop to such evil acts, and a government who keeps encouraging them by doing nothing.
        They also pretend to be victims.

      • lysias
        November 10, 2014, 10:57 am

        It’s not just modern. During the Peloponnesian War, when the Spartans occupied the Attic countryside while the Athenians were in the city of Athens behind the city walls, the Spartans cut down the Athenians’ olive trees.

        I suppose the Israelis would be proud of the idea that they are imitating the Spartans. I don’t think many other people would be.

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 9:52 am

      Why do they keep behaving like savages?

      The simplest answer is because they are.

      Yes, I remember that story, and as I recall it barely made a dent in the dumbness of America.

      No one but us will remember it the next time some Palestinian does something “provocative,” yet we never hear a sweaty, indignant senator rise on the floor of congress and proclaim, “Why, what would we do if Canadians started coming across the border and uprooted our crops, which are our livelihoods? Naturally, any nation on earth would fight back to preserve their way of life.”

      No, only Israel gets this kind of special consideration. It’s criminal on both ends.

      • Kay24
        November 10, 2014, 10:26 am

        Absolutely Horizontal. It seems that question and similar ones will never be uttered, nor would we ever hear “if this brutal occupation ended, so would the rocks and rockets”.
        The fact that those we vote for keep this BS going, aids and abets the criminals, is disgusting to say the least. Imagine the whining (known zio trait) if their trees were stolen, destroyed, burnt, and cut.

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 10:52 am

        Funny, I’m imagining just that right now!

  18. Horizontal
    November 10, 2014, 9:41 am

    OK, I’ve been mostly on other stories the past few days here on the Mondoweiss; then I come here and feel like I’ve been catapulted back to the 13th Century by way of a Monty Python sketch.

    My brain is reeling. Where to begin? There is so much wrong going on here. If Jesus actually did come back, I can imagine him saying, “OK, guys, seems like you missed the whole, ‘love thy neighbor part’ . . .”

    Sacrificing animals? Did I read that right? This is such a better use of my tax dollars than frittering it away on affordable heath care or schools in Appalachia. Let me send a kind note of thanks to my congressmen for their splendid patriotic wisdom.

    Like I said, my brain is reeling and words, for once, don’t come easily.

    Maybe several showers will help.

    • just
      November 10, 2014, 10:00 am

      serial showers can help.

      they are all north american nutball settlers. it’s worth considering that none of them were holocaust victims, not one of them spoke of those horrific crimes– they are proponents of murder. today. right now. of the Palestinians who had NOTHING to do with ‘Jewish cleansing’.

      • seafoid
        November 10, 2014, 10:11 am

        Mostly lost people searching for an identity who find who they are behind a gun.
        I was at a meeting once in West quds beside a Jew with a kippa and an automatic rifle at his feet.
        I used to want to bring my guns around when I was 7 but I gave it up as I got older.

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 10:56 am

        I guess there’s no chance of yanking their visas; you know, traveling abroad to join in violent mayhem . . .

    • Mooser
      November 10, 2014, 10:23 am

      “Sacrificing animals? Did I read that right?”

      Keep a sharp eye on Fluffy and Rover. Better still, keep ’em in the house.

      • seafoid
        November 10, 2014, 10:40 am

        It’s so sad to see Jews who think that going back to the Bronze age is going to solve the challenges of the future.
        Say what you like about ISIS but at least the golden age they refer to was early middle ages !

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 11:01 am

        Reminds me of an exchange I once had with a rather conservative Christian, who finally replied, “Well, you’ve got to believe in something.” And I said, “Yeah, but why <that?"

        And to the Moosenator: I’m currently petless, so no worries, although I will keep an eye on my girlfriend if things start getting completely out of hand.

      • Mooser
        November 10, 2014, 7:35 pm

        “Mommy, the frummers got Fido!”

      • Horizontal
        November 11, 2014, 8:44 am

        He really made an ash of himself.

  19. Chu
    November 10, 2014, 9:41 am

    Very strange that all of this is happening, the colonists are getting more fanatical each passing year. Washington’s policy of looking the other way has really backfired big time. This destruction of the Al Aqsa would be a major terrorist accomplishment, and I wonder how the Zionists would spin this one?

  20. talknic
    November 10, 2014, 9:58 am

    Watching the videos convinced me…..

    They’re quite insane. In a normal society they’d be given help.

  21. Elliot
    November 10, 2014, 11:15 am

    Translation of Michael Ben-Ari’s speech (last video in the article). My comments are in parentheses:
    We want to go home. They talk about terrorist attacks. The biggest terror attack, the most hurtful was that they entered our home and built all manner of illegal buildings and seized the place. and they tell us, about our home that it’s not our home.

    This Saturday we read (in the torah) that God said to our forefather, Abraham, go to to Mt. Moriah (Genesis 23. Identified with the Temple Mount.) 4,000 years, the Jewish people is connected to Mt. Moriah, to the House of God.

    What are we asking for, after all?

    The most basic right, the most human right: the right of return. The right of return (appluase)
    They talk about “provocations”.
    Who is perpretrating a provocation?! The thief who entered my home or the homeowner who wants to go home.
    We want to go home. (applause) We demand the right of return for the Jewish People.
    What did my grandfather pray for?! What did my great-grandfather pray for? For the pubs in Tel Aviv?! The promenade in Haifa?! What did they cry for and aspire to? What did they sit at midnight (prayers) and cried? For the mountain of the lord laid desolate. They prayed for the day when the priests and Levites were back at their posts. That is the dream which sustains all the talkers. That’s how they got to be here too. It is only that dream that brought us here.
    Without that dream we would have evaporated in the desert of the nations.

    I must add one more important thing.
    Last week, we learned once again a grave lesson about employing terrorists.
    in the morning he slaughters; in the evening he slaughters
    In the morning he is a tractor driver; in the evening, he beheads people with the tractor.
    Who employs his people’s enemy?! Who gives them a livelihood in hospitals, public transportation, restaurants.
    Yesterday I came to Jerusalem after work for a demonstration against the murder yesterday in the heart of Jerusalem. I was hungry. I went into a falafel place. There was a sign in Hebrew but I saw a terrorist in front of my eyes. So I left and went into a pizza place. and what do I see: a terrorist. I don’t want to give money to a terrorist.
    Today I give him money; tomorrow he kills me. We do not give money to terrorists (applause). There is no co-existence wth those who want to kill you.
    The “lone terrorist” is not alone. He is not a “lone terrorist”. It’s not a “third Intifada”., It’s war for the land. For the right of return.
    The thief, the robber, when he sees the homeowner coming home he pulls out a gun to shoot him. So what do we say?
    So we say, perhaps we are guilty. Perhaps we didn’t dress nicely.
    The provocation is those who say it’s a provocations.
    So, gentlemen, we are standing tall. We are right. Those who justify the wicked is himself a criminal. We demand our basic rights.

    I say in front of the world media I say: we live here, we are the home owners; they are the thieves.
    If you want to solve their problem: build them a Palestinian state, in England, France or the Arizona desert. Not here, in the land of our forefathers.
    We have come home to stay. Here. For ever. For ever. For ever.

    • a blah chick
      November 10, 2014, 11:20 am

      “In the morning he is a tractor driver; in the evening, he beheads people with the tractor. Who employs his people’s enemy?! Who gives them a livelihood in hospitals, public transportation, restaurants.”

      OMG, they’re beheading people with tractors in hospitals?!

      Stay safe, Elliot.

      • Elliot
        November 10, 2014, 4:29 pm

        @ a blah chick
        “Stay safe, Elliot.”
        Appreciated. I took the necessary precaution years ago. Israel is obviously a very unsafe place to be. Once I stopped believing the in the ideology, the cons outweighed the pros. And so I left the country.

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 7:19 pm

        In the morning he is a tractor driver; in the evening, he beheads people with the tractor.

        This guy’s seen one too many James Bond movies.

        When a racist occupier starts complaining about giving the underclass even menial jobs, you know that something horrible has turned a corner deep in the group psyche. What follows can’t be good.

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2014, 11:40 am

      “What did my grandfather pray for?! What did my great-grandfather pray for? For the pubs in Tel Aviv?! The promenade in Haifa -”

      For a decent standard of living, for Taylor Swift videos and cheap alcohol.Turns out Jews are the same as everyone else . Who woulda thunk it.

      • Horizontal
        November 10, 2014, 7:05 pm

        This guy takes the cake, don’t he?

      • bintbiba
        November 11, 2014, 8:31 am

        These people have put me off praying forever….. what a mockery they make of Judaism and what an insult to the Jewish people in toto. !

      • Horizontal
        November 11, 2014, 8:46 am

        Toto, too?

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2014, 11:22 am

        “Toto, too?”

        Well, all the doves flew away, and Toto was small and easy to grab.
        Now, Toto was a registered AKC “Peke” or something, right? Cause God don’t want no mongrels!

        It’s like a friggin reflex with those guys! You ask ’em anything, and they right away think: ‘What’s the most offensive thing I can say, the thing which will put Jews in the worst light, the thing that will help convince people that Jews are different and dangerous, and should be segregated, must be segregated.’ So he starts threatening people’s pets, and talking about burning small animals to death.
        Gee, I’m sorry, but I’m sort of amazed young Jeremy didn’t smile a mysterious smile and say : ‘We can start having the real Passover Matzos again, too!’

      • seafoid
        November 11, 2014, 12:30 pm

        Bintbiba

        The state of modern Judaism is very sad. Like someone with loads of talent who can’t stop drinking.

      • Mooser
        November 11, 2014, 12:42 pm

        “Like someone with loads of talent who can’t stop drinking.”

        Well, that’s very nice, but it might be more accurate to say they are like people with a host of emotional and character issues, possibly even some kind if brain disability, who can’t stop drinking.

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 5:04 am

        “it might be more accurate to say they are like people with a host of emotional and character issues, possibly even some kind if brain disability”

        Certain serious psychiatric disorders can have their roots in trauma

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia
        ” There is some possibility that there are environmental influences including “prenatal exposure to a viral infection, low oxygen levels during birth (from prolonged labor or premature birth), exposure to a virus during infancy, early parental loss or separation, and physical or sexual abuse in childhood”.[11] Eliminating any of these factors may help reduce a person’s risk of getting paranoid schizophrenia.”

        Israeli society is going through something similar with its roots in WW2.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 12:42 pm

        I apologize for my outburst. Sorry.

      • jon s
        November 12, 2014, 2:59 pm

        Elliot,
        Actually Israel is still a pretty safe place. The odds of meeting a violent death are very low, certainly lower than in the US.

      • Elliot
        November 12, 2014, 10:25 pm

        @ Jon S. “Actually Israel is still a pretty safe place. The odds of meeting a violent death are very low, certainly lower than in the US.”

        You gotta be kidding. All those bomb blasts I head in Jerusalem were just in my imagination? Some years ago, the stretch of Rehov Yafo in Jerusalem between Kikar Hadavidka and King George was listed as the most dangerous stretch of road in the world. And that’s before we even begin to talk about what it’s like to live on the West Bank.

        Since you don’t offer any specifics, we can’t even begin to talk about which apples you are comparing to which oranges.
        .

      • eljay
        November 13, 2014, 7:46 am

        >> jon s: Actually Israel is still a pretty safe place.

        It is truly amazing that Israel manages to be both:
        – “a pretty safe place”; and
        – perpetually on the verge of being existentially wiped off the map and pushed into the sea, all of its Jewish inhabitants butchered by blood-thirsty Arabs and Iran.

    • seafoid
      November 10, 2014, 12:20 pm

      “I was hungry. I went into a falafel place. There was a sign in Hebrew but I saw a terrorist in front of my eyes. So I left and went into a pizza place. and what do I see: a terrorist. I don’t want to give money to a terrorist. Today I give him money; tomorrow he kills me.”

      Reminds me of this

      http://www.rocknord.net/forum/upload/avatars/utool_f_1279357521_2.jpg

    • Chu
      November 10, 2014, 4:00 pm

      thanks for translating and further proof that Israel’s future has no fresh ideas. Why destroy the sacred Mosque, when they can build something elsewhere? Egypt, Turkey, and Jordan are aligning against this. Perhaps Israel will create a united enemy as a result of their messianic visions.

      • Horizontal
        November 11, 2014, 8:47 am

        That would be a nice unintended outcome of this ugly foolishness.

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 6:59 pm

      Thanks for the translation.

      I don’t know if he knows it or not, but his rant sounds like it could just as easily be aimed at the Zionists. More easily, actually. If they had formed Israel in the middle of the Sahara or someplace, all this strife could have been avoided.

      I’ve always felt that 4000 year old nuttiness is still nuttiness. Only wine and cheese get better with age.

    • Teapot
      November 10, 2014, 9:34 pm

      Thanks for the translation.

      the biggest terror attack, the most hurtful was that they entered our home and built all manner of illegal buildings and seized the place. and they tell us, about our home that it’s not our home.

      For a moment I was confused and thought a Palestinian was talking… This speech is sick. The amount of brainwashing going on in Israel is truly terrifying.

  22. Laurent Weppe
    November 10, 2014, 12:17 pm

    People of all former religions from all over the world, he said– because then the messiah would be here and the other religions would disappear.

    Wait a minute: when did the left behind series became part of jewish canon?

    • Mooser
      November 11, 2014, 11:25 am

      “Wait a minute: when did the left behind series became part of jewish canon?”

      Mr. Weppe, when we Jews set out to assimilate, we go all the way! I’m pretty sure these guys view the Scriptures as “inerrant”, too.

  23. eljay
    November 10, 2014, 12:47 pm

    >> Translation of Michael Ben-Ari’s speech …
    >> The thief, the robber, when he sees the homeowner coming home he pulls out a gun to shoot him.

    Zio-supremacists thieves and robbers have been pulling out their guns and shooting Palestinian homeowners for over 60 years.

    >> Those who justify the wicked is himself a criminal.

    Says Mr. Ben-Ari, who – like all Zio-supremacists – justifies the past and ON-GOING wickedness of Zio-supremacism, Zio-supremacists and the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel.

    >> I say in front of the world media I say: we live here, we are the home owners; they are the thieves.

    Of course you say that – you’re a Zio-supremacist.

  24. James Canning
    November 10, 2014, 1:21 pm

    Bravo, Phil. Fanatical Jews eager to set off more war in the Middle East, and scr*w US interests in that region.

  25. Jackdaw
    November 10, 2014, 1:23 pm

    Phil.
    When are you going to take your camera and interview some Arab youths to find out what the riots are about?

    • Annie Robbins
      November 10, 2014, 2:55 pm

      oh maybe the military gunning down alleged criminals in the streets and destroying their family houses with no trial nothing. for example, you have to ask? stealing all their land, no rights. but i agree, i do hope he interviews some palestinian youths.

    • talknic
      November 10, 2014, 6:37 pm

      @ Jackdaw ” interview some Arab youths to find out what the riots are about?”

      You’re really so stupid that you don’t know already? WOW!

    • Horizontal
      November 10, 2014, 7:03 pm

      Never mind that. What’s your reaction to what Phil did record? Do they speak for you?

      • Jackdaw
        November 12, 2014, 1:16 am

        My reaction is, that if Phil lived 150 years ago, he’d go to Bedlam and rattle the cages for kicks.

    • Mooser
      November 10, 2014, 7:46 pm

      “When are you going to take your camera and interview some Arab youths to find out what the riots are about?”

      A young Jew got drafted into the Czars army, and his mother was giving him advice before he left: “My son,” she said, ” when you get to the battle, kill a Turk and then rest….”

      • jon s
        November 11, 2014, 2:51 am

        Mooser forgot the punchline.

        The young soldier says:” but Mother, what if the Turks try to kill ME ?”
        The Jewish mother is outraged: “why should they want to kill you , my son? what have you ever done to them?”

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 11:25 am

        Exactly, “Jon s”, that is indeed the punchline. You can’t go out and kill people and then hide behind being a Jew. That’s the joke. Glad you got it.

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 12:30 pm

        My favourite Jewish joke

        The husband tells the wife, “The Rabbi said that soon we will no longer suffer from the Cossacks, the Messiah is about to come and take us all to Israel.” The wife thinks for a while and says, “Tell the Messiah to leave us alone. Let him take the Cossacks to Israel!”

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 12:44 pm

        “Tell the Messiah to leave us alone. Let him take the Cossacks to Israel!”

        You should put God on a timetable, like a train? That just took a little longer, I think it was in the 80’s?

  26. jon s
    November 10, 2014, 4:29 pm

    When Netanyahu smells elections coming – he veers to the Right. But this time,with extremist provocations on the Temple Mount , he and his government are really pouring gasoline on the fire. As usual , the goverments’ reaction will be to use more force, more violence and more settlements.

    Interestingly, the Sephardic Chief Rabbi has spoken out against the Temple Mount lunacy:
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.625233

    • Mooser
      November 12, 2014, 12:51 pm

      “Interestingly, the Sephardic Chief Rabbi has spoken out against the Temple Mount lunacy”

      Wow, look at “jon s” turn a Sephardic Rabbi into a Shabbes Goy! Never seen that done before.

      • jon s
        November 15, 2014, 11:26 am

        Mooser, judging by your comment, I wonder whether you know the meaning of the term “shabbes goy”.

  27. Kay24
    November 10, 2014, 9:18 pm

    CNN covered a segment about the Khameini tweeting that Israel should be annihilated, and of course, the Beebs was interviewed, and he did a good bit of acting, showing he was outraged about it, looking so woeful, and he begs the parties involved in the peace talks with Iran, to NOT make any agreement with them, saying after all they are dangerous blah, blah. He calls Iran dangerous, while hoping the world has forgotten just how dangerous Israel was when it attacked Gaza.

    While I agree that it is totally wrong of the Khameini to make statements like that (the timing stinks too) I also think that it was WRONG for Beebs to stand in front of the world at the UN, showing a cartoon bomb, and urge the world to attack Iran. Although he did not mention the word “annihilation”, his actions and words, do amount to the same thing. He is still trying to persuade the US to take that route. Again, the hypocrisy.

    • Horizontal
      November 11, 2014, 10:00 am

      So here are some I found on the JPost website:

      “This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of #Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated. #HandsOffAlAqsa. ”

      “They demolish homes & farms in #WestBank, humiliate people, cut their water & electricity, kill their children & youth! #FreePalestine,”

      The only means to confront a barbaric regime like Israel is arming West Bank.”

      Sounds like he’s ready to trot out the nukes, huh?

      But, wait. Turns out when he mentions Israel’s annihilation, he means by referendum, not by bombs. Here’s his plan for “eliminating” Israel:

      Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has outlined a nine-step plan to “eliminate” Israel, fromThe Independent, UK.

      The Supreme Leader of Iran’s official Twitter account has posted a set of answers to what are described as the “key questions”, saying that Israel is guilty of a host of “crimes”.

      The first question asked is: “Why should the Zionist regime be eliminated?” To this, the response is given: “During its 66 years of life so far, the fake Zionist regime has tried to realize its goals by means of infanticide, homicide, violence and iron fist while boasts [sic] about it blatantly”.

      However the statement adds that “the elimination of Israel does not mean the massacre of the Jewish people in this region”.

      The statement proposes a referendum in which “all the original people of Palestine including Muslims, Christians and Jews” could vote, but from which “Jewish immigrants” would be excluded.

      It says the theoretical resultant government would then decide upon whether the latter group could remain in the country.

      But it goes on to say that if such a referendum cannot be achieved then “powerful confrontation and resolute and armed resistance” is the only solution, as compromise is not possible.”

      So maybe this is all an unworkable smokescreen, but his wanting a political solution to resolve the ongoing slaughter of Palestine is completely buried by the focus on the word “annihilation,” allowing Israel to play the victim once again and take the focus of their own on-going annihilation of the Palestinians. And as a political plan, is it any more devious or screwier than the Zionist’s own?

      I can’t say any of his tweets stray vary far from my own feelings regarding Israel when I read the news and see my congress authorize more money to complete the on-sided slaughter. Are they not wolf-like & barbaric? Don’t they cut electricity and steal water & land, kill youth & children indiscriminately, demolish farms & homes and humiliate people? Yes to all.

      The more radical Israel becomes, it could indeed lead one to conclude that they are beyond reforming themselves politically. And while I’d love to have the entire region disarmed, until that day, why should the Palestinians be left defenseless facing the best-equipped and most aggressive army in the region?

      The thing is, I’m certain that Netanyahu feels the exact same way about Iran, the West Bank & Gaza, and has already bombed each place a time or two. But news outlets here in the states, like CNN, will never give any context to anything coming out of Iran, whereas Netty gets all the free airtime he wants to spin with absolutely no push-back.

      “He [Khamenei] is publicly calling for the annihilation of Israel as he is negotiating a nuclear deal with the P5+1 countries,” Netanyahu said. “This terrorist regime in Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear threshold power.”

      So the one nuclear armed power in the region is afraid of being called out on their sh!t.

      Yes, hypocrisy abounds.

  28. Nevada Ned
    November 11, 2014, 2:23 am

    In the reporting found in the mainstream media, a few elementary facts are ignored:
    (1) There is no temple on “Temple Mount”. According to ancient Jewish religious books, there used to be a temple but it was destroyed 2 thousand years ago. (These ancient religious books have a very poor record for accuracy. See The Bible Unearthed, by Silberman and Finkelstein for details).
    (2) the only religious structures on “Temple Mount” are sacred to Islam, not Judaism. The structures include the Dome of the Rock, which is the third holiest mosque in Islam.
    (3) Jewish millinarian fanatics dream of blowing up the Dome of the Rock and building (“restoring”) a synagogue. Some Jewish fanatics have actually been convicted of this conspiracy, even by the lenient Israeli authorities.
    (4) Suppose this situation prevailed in the US. Suppose that millenarian Jewish fanatics plot to blow up St. Patrick’s cathedral in NYC, and “restore” a temple on the same site, thereby speeding up the timetable for the return of the Messiah. Alert to the peril, NY authorities prevent Jewish fanatics from praying en masse at St. Patrick’s. Some Jews complain they are excluded from Temple Mount (NYC branch).
    (5) In Israel, since 1948 Jewish fanatics have succeeded in taking over more and more Palestinian land, subjecting their conquests to Israel’s systematic racial discrimination. In Jerusalem, Israel has been destroying the largest Moslem cemetery, the Mamilla cemetery. The long-term GOI goal is to eliminate any trace of non-Jews in Jerusalem. The increasing fanaticism about “Temple Mount” (which has no temple there!) is part and parcel of the pursuit by the GOI of the long-term goal of an exclusively Jewish state, achieved by ethnic cleansing of non-Jews.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 11, 2014, 1:43 pm

      Alert to the peril, NY authorities prevent Jewish fanatics from praying en masse at St. Patrick’s.

      almost spit my coffee on the keyboard.

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 1:55 pm

        Why, because the comparison is that idiotic? St. Patrick’s isn’t holy to the Jewish people, and it’s not built on the site of the Second Temple.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 6:14 pm

        “and it’s not built on the site of the Second Temple.”

        Gee, Hophmi, I must have been absent from Hebrew School the day they explained why the right-wing in Israel got a deed to the “Second Temple” which must be honored now, even at the cost of many lives and tremendous disturbance.
        Could you explain that, Rebbe Hophmi? So the “Second Temple” was there, big deal. And there are lots of abandoned resorts in the Catskills, too.

  29. hophmi
    November 12, 2014, 12:12 pm

    Putting aside the extremism of these particular people, do you believe that Jews have a right to pray on the Temple Mount alongside Muslims if they so choose? There is no question that Jews consider the Temple Mount to be a holy place, and there is also no question that the Waqf believes only Muslims have the right to worship there, a opinion Israel has colluded with over the years to keep the peace.

    • seafoid
      November 12, 2014, 12:28 pm

      Hoppy

      Palestinians have no right to return anywhere in Israel.
      The Temple mount situation is a small reminder to Jews that exclusion works both ways.

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 12:32 pm

        Do you, or do you not believe, Seafoid, that Jews have a right to pray on the Temple Mount?

        Clearly, the answer is no.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 12:56 pm

        “Do you, or do you not believe, Seafoid, that Jews have a right to pray on the Temple Mount?”

        What on earth is “a right to pray at”? They wanna “pray at” the Temple Mount, let ’em look up the co-ordinates on their GPS, and face that way when they pray. Seems to work for a lot of other people.

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 1:11 pm

        So that’s a no from Mooser and a yes for allowing the Waqf to exclude other religions from the Haram al-Sharif.

        Phil Weiss? Opinion?

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 1:16 pm

        Hoppy

        Zionist Jews who run a system of apartheid can fuck off the temple mount.
        that would be my position.

        apartheid is unholy and ungodly so there is no point in praying to make it better.

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 1:17 pm

        also hoppy

        the lesson with granting the bots access to anything is they take it over. So a second no regarding the haram al sharif.

        Why don’t they pray at the wall for gd to grant them the wisdom and diplomatic skills they don’t have yet ?

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 1:33 pm

        “Clearly, the answer is no.”

        Careful, Hophmi took a handful of stimulating pilpuls this morning, and he’s 16 points more smarter than anybody.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 1:36 pm

        “So that’s a no from Mooser and a yes for allowing the Waqf to exclude other religions from the Haram al-Sharif. Phil Weiss? Opinion?”

        What the hell is with you man? You “takin’ names”? Are you planning to run and tell the Rabbi or something?

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 1:54 pm

        Nope, just to point out that you advocate that one religious group be permitted to ban another from a site holy to both purely on religious grounds in a region where many Jewish holy places have been destroyed by members of that same religious groups, though, of course, that went unreported here.

      • oldgeezer
        November 12, 2014, 1:41 pm

        Whether Jewish people have a right to pray at the mount is an interesting question.

        Maybe it could be discussed once Israel actually delivers the basic human rights enshrined in law and treaty to it’s minorities before there’s any discussion of newly created fictional rights which apply only to Jews.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 1:42 pm

        Hophmi, where do you stand on a Jew’s right to perform animal sacrifice, as young Jeremy (and these young Jews are the future!) advocates? Surely you wouldn’t object to a person who wants to perform the acts required by his faith?

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 2:01 pm

        Mooser

        Any animal sacrifice , in order to be kosher, has to be signed off by the Vegetarian Jews of Peace (VJP)

        the Red Heifers can’t talk but if they could

        8 out of 10 would prefer whiskas
        7 out of 10 would prefer shiksas
        1 out of 10 would smoke shisha
        10 out of 10 would not vote for immediate death just because Hoppy thinks it’d get him closer to gd

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 2:07 pm

        Mooser and moderators:

        “4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.”

      • eljay
        November 12, 2014, 3:13 pm

        >> hophmeee: Mooser and moderators:
        >> “4. No personal attacks. … ”

        It’s interesting and it’s a shame – but it’s not at all surprising – that hophmee doesn’t feel as strongly about justice for Palestinians as he does about justice for himself.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 6:04 pm

        Wow, lotta ups and downs in your business, Hophmi. You must have nerves of steel.
        One minute collecting the names and kicking the butts of those who would deny Jews their basic religious rights, the next minute whining about people not being nice enough to you.

        How do you do it? You’re like a yo-yo.

    • eljay
      November 12, 2014, 12:37 pm

      >> hophmi: … do you believe that Jews have a right to pray on the Temple Mount alongside Muslims if they so choose? There is no question that Jews consider the Temple Mount to be a holy place, and there is also no question that the Waqf believes only Muslims have the right to worship there …

      People of all faiths should have access to Temple Mount for the purposes of prayer in a free (international) city of Jerusalem.

      Non-Jews from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel have a right to return to their homes and lands.

      No group of people – not even the “Jewish people” – is entitled to a supremacist state of any kind.

    • Mooser
      November 12, 2014, 1:55 pm

      “Putting aside the extremism of these particular people,”

      But you can’t do that, can you Hophmi?
      Once we put “aside the extremism of these particular people”, you get to the fact that only extremists believe that the geographical location of a prayer increases its effectiveness.
      So once you put aside extremism, you don’t have much. Nope, instead Zionism cultivates Jewish extremism, and you know that.

      • hophmi
        November 12, 2014, 1:59 pm

        “But you can’t do that, can you Hophmi?”

        Sure, I can. There are people who believe in destroying Al-Aqsa, and there are people who believe simply that Jews should have the right to pray on the parts of the Temple Mount not forbidden to them, alongside Muslims who pray at the mosques there.

        “you get to the fact that only extremists believe that the geographical location of a prayer increases its effectiveness.”

        So you believe that all Muslims who pray at the Haram-al-Sharif are extremists. OK.

        “Nope, instead Zionism cultivates Jewish extremism, and you know that.”

        That’s interesting, since until now, the Jewish state has basically worked with the Waqf to ban Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 2:05 pm

        “That’s interesting, since until now, the Jewish state has basically worked with the Waqf to ban Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. ”

        Because they are not stupid (at least in this regard) .The Haram al Temple is radioactive politically.
        And the Israeli leadership prefers to cultivate extremism slowly via the education system.

      • seafoid
        November 12, 2014, 3:16 pm

        “and there are people who believe simply that Jews should have the right to pray on the parts of the Temple Mount not forbidden to them, alongside Muslims who pray at the mosques there. – ”

        It doesn’t work in Hebron, Hoppy.
        Those old rabbis who banned their flocks from going anywhere near Palestine were so right.
        The land fetish is frightening. And so important that Judaism is abandoned for it.

    • Elliot
      November 12, 2014, 3:09 pm

      hophmi,
      As an ideal, the answer is obviously yes.
      The status quo is that Jews have been granted the Western Wall, the Muslims Haram-el Sharif. Even this state of affairs is inequitable: Muslim access to the Haram el-Sharif is controlled and limited by the Jewish authorities; the Western Wall is open 24/7 to Jews. We should also remember that the Western Wall was made available to mass Jewish crowds by exiling the Palestinian population of the Moroccan Quarter and leveling their homes.
      And that’s just focussing on the tiny area of the Western Wall/ Temple Mount.

      The overall system of Jewish control of Palestinian lives is so blatant that o invoke absolutes out of context is disingenuous and dangerous.

      • yonah fredman
        November 12, 2014, 10:02 pm

        hophmi- As an ideal, it would be great if the Muslims could share the Temple Mount with Jews so that Jews could pray there. There’s plenty of room. But we are not dealing with an ideal situation, but one of violence and force. Given the situation, toying with the status quo is playing with fire.

        Oh, and arguing with a moose will only get you so far. He is the pet around here and instead of knocking him on the nose when he evacuates his bowels on certain guests, the moderators here instead chuckle and call him “good boy”. The idealism of the rules of comments is easier to implement than the ideals regarding the Temple Mount, but the moderators really don’t care about the rules.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 7:11 pm

        “Oh, and arguing with a moose will only get you so far. He is the pet around here and instead of knocking him on the nose when he evacuates his bowels on certain guests,”

        Naturally, Yonah, the Moderators make it impossible for you to post any examples, or indeed, a single example of this, but true to form, you just hope if you keep flinging the charge, it’ll stick, because your credibility is impeccable.

      • yonah fredman
        November 13, 2014, 7:20 pm

        mooser- I don’t need to prove it to you. you know it.

        if we are hauled into a court of law i will start bringing evidence, but you deny it, only because you can. you know i speak the truth.

        you pee on the guests with regularity. You shit on the guests at least twice a year.

      • Walid
        November 14, 2014, 7:00 am

        “Oh, and arguing with a moose will only get you so far. He is the pet around here”

        From the royal treatment he gets here, I get the impression that the pet is Yonah.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 11:46 am

        “if we are hauled into a court of law i will start bringing evidence, but you deny it, only because you can. you know i speak the truth. “

        So nue, so sue!

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 11:50 am

        And furthermore Yonah, in case you haven’t nopticed, I have decided to make Proverbs 15 the basis of all my commenting from now on.

        Yes, a soft answer turnethed away Roth, and I’ve gone back to a conventional IRA. Even a Moose has to retire, you know.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 11:59 am

        “The idealism of the rules of comments is easier to implement than the ideals regarding the Temple Mount, but the moderators really don’t care about the rules”

        Ah-ha! Now we can see where the real responsibility for the situation at the Al-Aqsa mosque belongs! Like most everything else in the world, it is the fault of the Mondoweiss Moderators!

  30. 666
    November 12, 2014, 3:10 pm

    seafoid

    you need some perspective

    jews need to be mindful of their responsibility of nations to lift up jerusalem as a place of peace and worship

    • Mooser
      November 14, 2014, 12:02 pm

      “a”

      Okay, this time we get an “a” at the bottom. Collect all the random letters at the bottom of the comment, and they form a secret message.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2014, 12:57 pm

        mooser, thanks for the heads up

  31. MHughes976
    November 19, 2014, 6:04 pm

    The Third-Templers may be getting closer to the mainstream but I still think that there is an element of play-acting about all this. The restoration of the full Temple ritual as it is supposed to have been before 70 would involve the election of a High Priest, who would be an important political figure. The scriptures really require the election of a King as soon as possible. People aren’t ready for those things.

  32. mohabdul
    March 10, 2015, 5:00 am

    These wacko Zionists are forcing God to bring in a disaster in that part of the world. They are truly driving themselves towards a cliff. Sometimes i really wish they would carry their a deluded vision of destroying Al Aqsa mosque and see what comes after that. Every Muslim government will be overthrown in a day and people radicalized in an instant if that happens. Then the gates of hell will be wide open and no going back.

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