Pssst! Is Israel going crazy?

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Is Israel cracking up? There have been more and more reports in recent days that suggest the political culture is going crazy; and that there’s nothing to hold that craziness down.

There was that argument in the Knesset in which a Palestinian parliamentarian was dragged out after calling Moshe Feiglin a “fascist.” There’s that Avigdor Lieberman “peace plan” that has just one idea: pay Palestinians to leave Israel. And that from the country’s Foreign Minister! There’s the prime minister’s bill to bar the Palestinian flag as an “enemy” flag at demonstrations and deport Palestinian Israelis accused of crimes to Gaza. There’s the new bill to declare Israel the “nation state of the Jewish people,” which would demote Arabic from being an official language so that the 20 percent non-Jewish population don’t get any ideas that this is their country, too. The bill would formally define Israel as “belonging to Jews around the world” and “make ‘Jewish tradition’ and ‘the prophets of Israel’ a primary source of legal and judicial authority” (per Jonathan Cook).

The bill has already borne fruit. There was a bookburning at a bilingual school in Jerusalem two nights ago. And warnings of more bookburnings from a leftwing graffiti artist: “In a place where nation-state laws are passed, books will be burned.”

The fascism allegations are going in both directions. Several leading politicians who oppose that bill were pictured on Facebook wearing Nazi outfits. The Times of Israel reports that the minister of public security has demanded an investigation of the satire, because it crosses a line:

Fabricated images of the president of Israel, top ministers and the police chief dressed in Nazi uniforms were published on the Internet on Sunday as a protest against their objection to a controversial bill that defines Israel as a Jewish state…

A caption accompanying the montage called them, “The anti-Semites who oppose a Jewish state in the land of Israel.”

According to information in the Facebook account profile, “Zoabi” is a resident of Tel Aviv and a graduate of Tel Aviv University, and claims to be employed by the IDF.

And here’s another fearful report. Singer Amir Benayoum released a shockingly racist song called Ahmed Loves Israel, which says that Palestinian Israelis are just waiting to stab Jews in the back. Rogel Alpher in Haaretz writes that Israelis shouldn’t be shocked by it: “A Racist Society Composes Racist Songs.” Here are some of the hateful lyrics, thanks to Uri Avnery.

Today I am moderate and smiling

Tomorrow I shall ascend to heaven

I shall send to hell a Jew or two

It’s true that I am just ungrateful scum

But I am not to blame, I grew up without love

The moment will come when you turn your back to me

And then I shall stick into you the sharpened axe.

When I was in Israel last month, I went to a demonstration at which 50 rightwing Jewish demonstrators shouted “B’Tselem is Hamas” — equating a human rights organization with the Palestinian Islamic political force — and at which a young man explained calmly/angrily to me that he is a Jew before he is a human being (minute 4 at the link). Being familiar with American political culture, I wanted to believe the demo was a bunch of knuckleheads; but it had ministerial support, as Angela Godfrey-Goldstein explained to me (she’s the blonde woman wearing glasses who’s in the video, a human rights worker), and a lot of folks trying to attend the B’Tselem exhibit were harassed/threatened. Dan Cohen reported from that event that the rightwingers accused the human-rights advocates of being Nazis and threatened to make “soap” out of them.

At another rightwing demonstration, I interviewed three Israeli-American Zionists with a bad case of Jerusalem syndrome: they want to destroy the Muslim sites in the Old City and replace them with a Jewish temple. Just a few knuckleheads? As Allison Deger has reported, they have the support of government ministers. “Netanyahu appears to have adopted a political strategy of intentionally aggravating relations between the state and the Palestinian minority, in part, it seems, to position himself as the true champion of an Israeli public moving ever further to the right,”  Jonathan Cook says.

In short, Israel’s leaders are catering to knuckleheads and crazies because there’s a political payoff. Max Blumenthal saw/predicted a lot of this with his book of a year ago that the mainstream has done its best to ignore. Now at last the global community is frightened by this trend; the New York Times says Netanyahu’s initiative is “heartbreaking” for those who believe in Israeli democracy. You don’t have to be such a romantic to recognize that the political culture in Israel is going nuts; and that a lot of this craziness is the natural result of enfranchising one ethnic/religious group and disenfranchising another.

 

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  1. bilal a
    December 1, 2014, 10:21 am

    a calssic ashkenazi meme

    Mel Brooks Nazi uniform rap

  2. Horizontal
    December 1, 2014, 10:40 am

    What is happening in Israel now reminds me of what would happen if the extreme right wing of the republican party gained control of all three branches of the American Government. Yet, in such a scenario, there would still be political voices of moderation speaking up against these actions; but when it comes to Israel, these same voices remain silent, or hold Israel outside of their normal progressive/liberal standards of behavior.

    This reminds me of what Max was saying about Germany in the other thread here on MW.

    I can only hope that the crazier that Israel becomes, the harder it will be to support it with a straight face. That’s about the only good that I can get out of these latest developments.

    • John Douglas
      December 1, 2014, 12:20 pm

      @ “… but when it comes to Israel, these same voices remain silent, or hold Israel outside of their normal progressive/liberal standards of behavior. ”

      Buckets of irony in this, given the repeated American theme of, “Where are the moderate Muslims when the Jihadists crawl out of their caves?” Yes, and where are the human rights Zionists in the U.S. when 500 children are slaughtered in Gaza?

      • Horizontal
        December 1, 2014, 6:05 pm

        Buckets of irony in this . . .

        Instead of a bucket, my preferred metaphorical container in this situation would be a crock.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 5:41 pm

        my preferred metaphorical container in this situation would be a crock.”

        We’ll have to use the crock. All the barrels have had their bottoms scraped through long ago.

    • JWalters
      December 1, 2014, 6:36 pm

      Israel is the crazy uncle with nukes in the attic. How do sane people take down the threat without blowing up the neighborhood?

      How things got this way –
      http://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com

  3. hophmi
    December 1, 2014, 10:45 am

    No more than the United States is. Shall I post links of the countless pieces from the right-wing blogosphere comparing Obama to Stalin and Hitler?

    • John Douglas
      December 1, 2014, 12:37 pm

      hophmi has a point. With its excessive militarization, its security state, its anti-intellectual right wing, its denial of climate change, its protection of corporate crooks and cops who gun down black children, its racism, and its shipments of arms to Israel to assist in the slaughter of children, the U.S. has veered off into a parallel path with Israel., a fact that is no accident in part given the Zionist pressures on our weak politicians. The consequence of this is not that Israel should be let off the hook by Americans (as hophmi may be suggesting). In my case at least my prime interest in Israel’s behavior rests upon the damage that the U.S.’s uncritical, pro-Israel policies and actions have done to my country.

      • Citizen
        December 1, 2014, 1:28 pm

        @ John Douglas

        I agree, and have you noticed where our top local cops go for training? I think I recently read that’s happening in England too.

      • Giles
        December 1, 2014, 4:07 pm

        It’ s okay to paint any non Jew as Hitler, including Obama and Bush.

        It’s apparently okay to paint Jews who are not on the far right Zionist tip as Hitler as well.

        However, don’t even think about portraying any Zionist as Hitler. That’s Jew hatred, blood libel, a canard…all those things. For some reason this does not apply to non Zionist Jews

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:05 pm

        “For some reason this does not apply to non Zionist Jews “

        All of those men pictured are Zionists. I really don’t think any of them could be described as “anti-Zionist”.

        They’re just not Zionist enough, or maybe not willing to commit crimes against humanity by legislation. That, of course, is what makes them Nazis.

      • Clif Brown
        December 2, 2014, 3:50 pm

        John Douglas, you are onto something. Both countries are in the grip of a kind of madness of the right, though in Israel (as Max Blumenthal indicates) it seems to be genuinely popular. My impression is that in America there is a sleeping giant that is for the time being tolerating the antics. There seems no limit to how far Israel will go. The “enough is enough” point is coming for America. The left is cowed in Israel out of real danger from the center moving to the right, in America the left and center awaits an electrifying moment.

      • DavidDaoud
        December 3, 2014, 1:23 am

        @Citizen
        December 1, 2014, 1:28 pm

        This sentence is from a recent article by Max Blumenthal:

        “Next year, 250 German soldiers will drill at Israel’s Urban Warfare Training Center in counter-insurgency tactics, an unprecedented step in military collaboration.”

        http://www.alternet.org/world/how-german-left-learned-love-israel-and-hate-anti-zionist-jews?utm_source=Max+Blumenthal%27s+Subscribers&utm_campaign=8358fe79e9-RSS_AUTHOR_EMAIL&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6315f9e46c-8358fe79e9-99999289

        Which begs the question…

    • John O
      December 1, 2014, 12:59 pm

      Thanks for the offer, hophmi, but it’s OK.

      Besides, faked pictures of Obama in Nazi uniform, or real ones of Prince Harry dressed in one for a fancy-dress party, are problems for the good people of the USA and the UK, not you. Pictures depicting Israeli politicians as Nazis, posted by Israelis, are your problem.

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 1:41 pm

        “Pictures depicting Israeli politicians as Nazis, posted by Israelis, are your problem”

        I’m American, thanks. Nevertheless, I regard postings of Israelis dressed as Nazis as my problem, since a lot of antisemites around the world react to how Israelis are depicted, and use it as a justification for harassing Jews around the world.

        “the U.S. has veered off into a parallel path with Israel., a fact that is no accident in part given the Zionist pressures on our weak politicians.”

        Put the chicken before the egg much? The United States did not start mistreating Black people in 2014. So cut the garbage about blaming Israel for trends that have been present in the United States since its founding as a country.

        “In my case at least my prime interest in Israel’s behavior rests upon the damage that the U.S.’s uncritical, pro-Israel policies and actions have done to my country.”

        Yes, it’s Israel’s fault that the United States treats Black people badly. Which country was founded in 1776 and which one was founded in 1948? This is how antisemitism weasels its way into the anti-Zionist community. Idiots who blame Israel for race relations in the United States.

        No one is letting anyone off the hook here. But it’s interesting that Phil refuses to turn a critical eye toward his own country, where what he claims he sees in Israel is quite present here. And it’s very much encouraged by the right-wing establishment in the United States. The only difference is that the United States does not face the constant security threat that Israel does. I guess it’s always easier to parachute into some foreign country and criticize it rather than your own society, which would, of course, force you to acknowledge your own complicity as a citizen.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 5:29 pm

        This is how antisemitism weasels its way into the anti-Zionist community. Idiots who blame Israel for race relations in the United States.

        then you should tell the adl, the weinstien center, and whatever orgs it is promoting and financing droves of american law enforcement to travel to israel and learn tactics for our american towns from people who are engaged in a decades long dehumanizing apartheid occupation. that’s not anti semitism, that is a logical conclusion based on fact.

        No one is letting anyone off the hook here.

        oh please, when your full time job is letting israel off the hook it’s rather hypocritical for criticizing phil for don’t the opposite!

        The only difference is that the United States does not face the constant security threat that Israel does.

        all the more reason israel is the last country that should be training or advising american law enforcement.

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 6:03 pm

        You act like police brutality is a new problem. So because a few police chiefs traveled to Israel for counterterrorism training (that’s usually the reason they go), now, we can blame police brutality in the United States on Israel. It must be Israel’s fault that those police officers in Mississippi sprayed those Black people with hoses in the 1960’s. There is nothing logical about assuming that because a few senior police officers hear a few lectures from Israelis, that any brutality they use is as a result of that training.

        “oh please, when your full time job is letting israel off the hook it’s rather hypocritical for criticizing phil for don’t the opposite!”

        How is my full time job letting Israel off the hook? Which one of us works for a propaganda website? Oh yeah, that would be YOU. Not me.

        Again, why, as an American, do you spend all of YOUR time focusing on Israel, when your own country is full of people who make similar hyperbolic comparisons?

        “all the more reason israel is the last country that should be training or advising american law enforcement.”

        We haven’t had a major terrorist attack here in the US since 9/11. A few small ones, homegrown. I’d say the counterterrorism training Israel offers is working just fine.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 6:16 pm

        a few police chiefs? you should do your homework hops. last i heard “At least 300 high-ranking sheriffs and police from agencies large and small – from New York and Maine to Orange County and Oakland, California – have traveled to Israel for privately funded seminars in what is described as counterterrorism techniques.”

        that’s not “a few”

        traveled to Israel for counterterrorism training (that’s usually the reason they go)

        as i mentioned a few days ago

        when the WOT started and we got a department of homeland security funds to support and train local police stations (fighting crime) shrunk and federal money was poured into states and towns all across the country to fight homegrown/domestic terrorism (fighting terror). that’s part of where all this comes from. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/annie?keyword=homeland+security#sthash.LLHdPqFn.dpuf

        there’s very little logic in training police chief all over the country to prepare for domestic terrorism at the expense of fighting crime. it’s militarized police forces all across the country. a lot has been written about that and lots military equipment and such coming back from iraq landing in our towns and cities.

        ignore it at your own peril.

        For some, dispatching American police to train in a foreign country battered by decades of war, terror attacks and strife highlights how dramatically U.S. law enforcement has changed in the 13 years since al-Qaida airplane hijackers crashed into New York’s World Trade Center. In many places, the image of the friendly cop on the beat has been replaced by intimidating, fully armed military-style troops. And Israel has played part in that transition.

        As these trips to Israel became more commonplace, the militarization of U.S. law enforcement also was driven by the creation of various homeland security initiatives and billions of dollars of surplus military-grade equipment donated to local departments through the 1033 program after 9/11.

        https://beta.cironline.org/reports/us-police-get-antiterror-training-in-israel-on-privately-funded-trips/

        we’re not talking about 50 years ago in mississippi. the “crowd control” is potentially much more lethal today and it’s application is spread all over the country.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 2:56 pm

        “Pictures depicting Israeli politicians as Nazis, posted by Israelis, are your problem”

        And note this: They are pictured as Nazis because they are not far enough to the Israeli right. Don’t you see the logic? They’re too far left (oppose the Jewish State bill) so they are pictured as Nazis.

        Has anybody sent the person who posted the pictures Hophmi’s extensive archive on why Zionists must never, ever be compared with Nazis, or worse yet, called Nazis or worse yet, pictured in a Nazi uniform!!

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:09 pm

        “This is how antisemitism weasels its way into the anti-Zionist community.”

        Ah, I see, it was anti-Zionists who published the pictures of Israeli politicians in Nazi uniforms. Sure, okay, Hophmi.
        Ever hear the old one about the he who say “This photograph doesn’t do me justice”?

      • Horizontal
        December 1, 2014, 6:20 pm

        . . . and its shipments of arms to Israel to assist in the slaughter of children, the U.S. has veered off into a parallel path with Israel., a fact that is no accident in part given the Zionist pressures on our weak politicians.

        Hophmi ~ Guess you missed the “in part” party.

        That these actions are happening in parallel can be blamed on both countries drifting away from their higher, stated norms of behavior. Sure, we’ve had racism in the US for decades; cozying up to crazier and crazier Israel does nothing to help this situation and the disastrous effects of Zionist money on our political discourse — or lack of a political discourse when it comes to Israel — is a relatively recent development that is bad news for moderates and our country as well.

        Face it; uncritical support for Israel is not in the best interests of the United States.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:55 pm

        Funny thing, isn’t it, how Zionists like Hophmi always see America’s worst defects as the only thing worth emulating about the US. Nothing else about the US impresses Zionists, but those they constantly extoll, and hale as Israel’s entitlement.

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 7:12 pm

        Isn’t it funny how you can never actually seem to respond to the argument that I make, but only to a straw man?

      • eljay
        December 1, 2014, 8:52 pm

        >> hophmeee: No one is letting anyone off the hook here. But it’s interesting that Phil refuses to turn a critical eye toward his own country, where what he claims he sees in Israel is quite present here. And it’s very much encouraged by the right-wing establishment in the United States. The only difference is that the United States does not face the constant security threat that Israel does.

        I like this paragraph: He won’t let Israel off the hook but, only three sentences later, the discussion is all about the U.S. and Israel is off the hook. Bravissimo!

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:14 am

        “Isn’t it funny how you can never actually seem to respond to the argument that I make, but only to a straw man?”

        How’s about a little fire, scarecrow?

      • hophmi
        December 2, 2014, 11:18 am

        Mooser comes out as a witch.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:29 pm

        “Mooser comes out as a witch.”

        I’ve heard you’re pretty good with magic tricks, too Hophmi. People say you can pick up an Israeli, and then turn into a motel.

      • RoHa
        December 2, 2014, 7:10 pm

        Hophmi is good at magic. He can take almost anything and turn it into “anti-Semitism”.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 8:10 pm

        ” He can take almost anything and turn it into “anti-Semitism”

        Especially when the person saying it is Jewish. Hophmi can detect Jewish self-hatred from a hundred yards away.

    • just
      December 1, 2014, 4:38 pm

      hophmi– it’s truly interesting, though hardly surprising, that you plumb the depths of depravity.

      You’ve made your mark. Congrats.

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 4:49 pm

        How is pointing out that the right wing in the United States uses political hyperbole similar to that of the right-wing in Israel plumbing the depths of depravity?

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:11 pm

        “How is pointing out that the right wing in the United States uses political hyperbole similar to that of the right-wing in Israel plumbing the depths of depravity?”

        Oh, I don’t know, maybe because the last time anybody that right-wing had any substantial power in the US was before the Civil War. That might be one reason.

      • DaBakr
        December 1, 2014, 6:18 pm

        @mssr
        Cheney was pretty right wing afaik.

  4. just
    December 1, 2014, 10:49 am

    I think they’re crazy, he thinks they’re crazy, she thinks they’re crazy.

    The most crazy thing is that so many support the crazies~ with billions, a kiss, WMDs (including undeclared nukes), and a hug.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-wJNpWgss8

    meshugga.

  5. Kay24
    December 1, 2014, 10:54 am

    Good question Phil, a very good question. Signs are the the inmates are indeed running that asylum. There are shades of insanity in every incident you have mentioned. Calling the Palestinian flag the “enemy flag” is so bizarre and ridiculous. Perhaps it reminds the occupiers of the occupation, and that there are human being suffering under that occupation, and resisting it. Chants of “death to the Arabs” seem to be accepted and the norm, yet the people who keep whining about anti-semitism every time they are criticized, are themselves passing bills in their knesset, that show racism, hate, and apartheid policies. It is time the world stopped this insanity, starting with the biggest aider and abetter, the US.
    It is the Israeli flag that should be banned. It represents violence, arrogance, greed, and lunacy, Israel is notorious for.

    • Mooser
      December 1, 2014, 11:04 am

      I’m thinking of organizing a ‘March of DIMES’ to support Ziocaine Syndrome research.

      • Kay24
        December 1, 2014, 12:15 pm

        Heh, right now it seems the malady is incurable, but deadly to those around it.

      • just
        December 1, 2014, 2:11 pm

        Before or after they award Netanyahu with their prize a la Save the Children and Tony Blair?

        Anyhoo, I’ll march.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 2:27 pm

        “Heh, right now it seems the malady is incurable, but deadly to those around it.”

        I’m planning some clinical trials of Zioloft, a specific remedy extracted from properly shaped branches of the ash tree.

      • Horizontal
        December 1, 2014, 6:21 pm

        Put me down for ten cents.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:58 pm

        Oh, I messed it all up, I meant “March of D.I.M.E”

  6. Mooser
    December 1, 2014, 11:02 am

    “and at which a young man explained calmly/angrily to me that he is a Jew before he is a human being”

    Ah! So that’s why he doesn’t look like one.

    • Elisabeth
      December 1, 2014, 11:34 am

      Stop! My stomach is hurting!

    • amigo
      December 1, 2014, 11:52 am

      “and at which a young man explained calmly/angrily to me that he is a Jew before he is a human being”

      I would be interested to know just how much lower a human being is than a Jew.

      .

    • Citizen
      December 1, 2014, 1:49 pm

      I guess he thinks Shakespeare was deluded when he put those famous words in Shylock’s mouth?

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:14 pm

        “I guess he thinks Shakespeare was deluded when he put those famous words in Shylock’s mouth?”

        Yes, I’m suggesting we go all the way, settle the entire thing once and for all, and get ourselves declared a separate species from human beings. Maybe, I don’t know Homo Zionisi or something.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:57 am

        “Homo Zionisi”

        You know, I think it may work, after all, aren’t species (within the Genus “Homo“) based on taxonomic differences?

      • Citizen
        December 2, 2014, 12:36 pm

        Is it relevant at all that phenotypic variation among humans is tiny compared to other species. We just notice small differences much more because, well, it’s us so little differences are much more noticeable?

      • Citizen
        December 2, 2014, 12:39 pm

        @ Mooser,
        are u recommending a new classification system?

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:32 pm

        Citizen you are absolutely right about the tiny phenotype variation in humans, and I’m glad you appreciate that. But if a person had a different number of bones, or number of teeth, or difference in their reproductive organs, it might go as far as being a new species.

  7. Marnie
    December 1, 2014, 11:05 am

    “In a place where nation-state laws are passed, books will be burned.”

    “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”
    ― Heinrich Heine

    The message to israeli politicos photoshopped in nazi garb – You’re with us crazies, or you’re against us. It’s over, over here.

    • RoHa
      December 1, 2014, 6:40 pm

      I seem to remember book-burning from some other place, some other time. Connected with broken glass.

  8. American
    December 1, 2014, 11:31 am

    ”Who the Gods would destroy they first make mad”

    Faster please . The Israeli horror show needs an ending.

  9. American
    December 1, 2014, 11:35 am

    I am borrowing a description from a quote…..

    ”Dealing with Israel is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game.”

  10. Kathleen
    December 1, 2014, 11:39 am

    “Max Blumenthal saw/predicted a lot of this with his book of a year ago that the mainstream has done its best to ignore. Now at last the global community is frightened by this trend; the New York Times says Netanyahu’s initiative is “heartbreaking” for those who believe in Israeli democracy. You don’t have to be such a romantic to recognize that the political culture in Israel is going nuts; and that a lot of this craziness is the natural result of enfranchising one ethnic/religious group and disenfranchising another. “-

    Edward Said, Vanessa Redgrave, Ilan Pappe, Former President Jimmy Carter, Archbishop Tutu, Art Gish, Prof Finkelstein have been pointing out the “craziness” (apartheid) for decades. Just that more folks like Max, yourself have become far more aware about the facts on the ground. Awareness about the facts may push the all ready crazed with ethnocentricism closer to desperate means …but the crimes have been committed for decades and many have pointed this out…but now the mainstream even reporting about those crimes. Awareness growing due to Carters book, Walt and Mearsheimer’s book, Mondoweiss, more discussion about the facts in the mainstream.

    Has the craziness grown or just more awareness about the craziness. Crimes committed being publicly identified and those committing feeling cornered.

    • ckg
      December 1, 2014, 2:20 pm

      Speaking of Finkelstein, his just released book “METHOD AND MADNESS: The hidden story of Israel’s assaults on Gaza” is selling for $1 in ebook form. Details on his web site. In its conclusion he writes he has lost hope in either a negotiated settlement or international courts as a possible path to justice and says the Palestinian people’s best hope is massive non-violent resistence. He says not a word, however, about BDS .

      • ckg
        December 1, 2014, 3:04 pm

        And speaking of BDS, here is MJ Rosenberg tweeting on Nov 30:

        While disliking and distrusting many of the proponents of BDS, I have concluded that the tactic is the only one that might succeed.#BDS

      • seafoid
        December 1, 2014, 5:37 pm

        MJR’s journey is fascinating

      • ckg
        December 1, 2014, 6:27 pm

        @seafoid. I always guessed MJR would come around before NGF.

      • RoHa
        December 1, 2014, 9:03 pm

        “the Palestinian people’s best hope is massive non-violent resistance. ”

        Looking for a triumph of the won’t.

      • ckg
        December 1, 2014, 10:05 pm

        While disliking and distrusting many of the proponents of BDS…

        Our prodigal friend is talking about us, of course, and our kin at EI.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:24 am

        “Our prodigal friend is talking about us, of course”

        “ckgf” mon ami, (Hercule Poirot says that a lot, and I like it) where you here for the thread on circumcision here a few years ago? MJR participated in that, and I have no way of knowing for sure, but he think he got dismayed by the lack of circumambulation.

    • ritzl
      December 1, 2014, 2:42 pm

      seafoid called it. The representation of Israel in media is an explicit real-world example of the process shown “The Picture of Dorian Gray.”

      The more cruelty perpetrated and then explained away to maintain that beautiful visage, the uglier the underlying reality becomes. In the end, exposure and death.

      End result (from the 1945 film): http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray_(1945_film)#/image/File:The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray-_Ivan_Albright.jpg

    • DavidDaoud
      December 3, 2014, 3:03 am

      @Kathleen
      “Has the craziness grown or just more awareness about the craziness.”

      The craziness has grown, especially over the last year or so; both in the U.S. and Israel.

  11. amigo
    December 1, 2014, 11:44 am

    “Pssst! Is Israel going crazy?” Phillip Weiss.

    I would suggest the headline should say , getting crazier or more appropriately, “Gone crazy”.

    The question for Abbas now is, should he go to the UN armed right away , armed with this incontrovertible evidence of the insanity now taking hold in the so called nation that desires peace.Or should he wait a month or two and allow Israel,s leaders to keep the insanity flowing and thereby further hang themselves.

    I recently compared Israel,s leaders behaviour to that of someone in the last stages of rabies.I haven,t changed my mind.

    • Eva Smagacz
      December 1, 2014, 2:46 pm

      Last stage in rabies is paralytic stage, then death.

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 3:10 pm

        Right. Of all the states in the Middle East, it’s Israel that has rabies and is close to death. You people are completely nuts.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 5:20 pm

        you misread hops. no one said Israel had rabies and is close to death.

        amigo merely said Israel’s leaders behaviour. must you exaggerate so! besides, it was a metaphor for their political actions/decisions and probably just meant their policies were diseased. that’s something we can all agree on don’t you think?

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 5:23 pm

        Eva said: “Last stage in rabies is paralytic stage, then death. ”

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 5:57 pm

        i was snarking a little bit ;) but yes i know what eva said in response to amigo’s statement about israel’s leaders behaviors. plus amigo had prefaced his rabies idea with “allow Israel,s leaders to keep the insanity flowing and thereby further hang themselves.” so both references of amigo’s were to “israel’s leaders” behaviors.

        therefor, for your criticism to be accurate it would have to read ‘Right. Of all the states leaders in the Middle East, it’s Israeli leaders whose behaviors (re policy decisions/”hang themselves”) resemble a rabid animal close to death.’

        just saying ;) and i’d have to agree.

      • seafoid
        December 1, 2014, 5:42 pm

        “Of all the states in the Middle East, it’s Israel that has rabies and is close to death ”

        Israel has pestilence. Syria has famine.
        I don’t think any country in the region with a similar standard of living would have such a crap education system.

      • seafoid
        December 1, 2014, 6:02 pm

        Hops

        Do you think Israeli society is stable ?
        Do you think Feiglin is an outlier ?
        Do you think the hardworking Ashkenazim are strong enough politically to keep the ship steady?

        I don’t, I’m sorry.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO1d_WbuD6k

      • hophmi
        December 1, 2014, 6:07 pm

        “Do you think Israeli society is stable ?”

        Yes, far more so than any other country in the Middle East.

        “Do you think Feiglin is an outlier ?”

        Depends what you mean by outlier. In some way, yes, in some ways, unfortunately, no.

        ” Do you think the hardworking Ashkenazim are strong enough politically to keep the ship steady? ”

        I don’t even know what that means. There are Ashkenazim and Mizrachim, and Arabs, and Druze. All are capable of working together to keep Israel stable. Israel has survived outbreaks of racism before. The further one gets from the war, the weaker these people are. Israel is a democracy with a highly developed civil society and a first world economy. I wouldn’t bet against it.

      • Horizontal
        December 1, 2014, 6:28 pm

        Israel is a democracy with a highly developed civil society and a first world economy.

        Great. Can I have my $3 Billion back now?

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 7:07 pm

        “All are capable of working together to keep Israel stable.”

        Sure, because the cost of the occupation is completely sustainable, forever. Israel will be stable, it just won’t have any borders, and will be constantly operating outside its own territory. Now, that’s stability! And if the Occupation ends by destroying the Palestinians as any kind of polity, so much the better, the world will thank you, and Israel’s, Zionism, and Jews generally will all see a big improvement in their “rep”.

        But as you say, you are an American, Hophmi, so you can get whatever it is you want out of Zionism, without risking so much as a strand of your special DNA. You can look it up.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 5:48 pm

        And gosh, I forgot to add that Israel will be the only place in the world where all Jews are subject to compulsory military service, because they are Jews!
        Now, that’s non-anti-Semitism, if I ever saw it

  12. eljay
    December 1, 2014, 11:51 am

    >> … the New York Times says Netanyahu’s initiative is “heartbreaking” for those who believe in Israeli democracy.

    Yeah, it’s heartbreaking when you support Jewish supremacism in a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” and the government hasn’t got the decency to give you even the flimsy pretense of “Jewish and democratic” to hide behind. :-(

    • Horizontal
      December 1, 2014, 6:29 pm

      Since when did “heartbreaking” become the answer to everything Israel does?

      • eljay
        December 2, 2014, 11:35 am

        >> Horizontal: Since when did “heartbreaking” become the answer to everything Israel does?

        Since “troubling” wasn’t cutting it anymore.

  13. Kathleen
    December 1, 2014, 11:56 am

    Interesting to hear and watch mainstream programs like “Madam Secretary” and how they are being used to continue to demonize Iran. Last night the program (producers) ended up focusing on projecting a scenario where Iran was made responsible for murdering the former Secretary of State. Jon Stewart chose to focus on Iranian treatment of a journalist (have not seen the film yet) and chose to not focus on how Israel has actually killed many journalist and not been held accountable. Wondering why Stewart did not choose to spend his time focusing on this fact instead of Iran’s gruesome treatment of a journalist.

    Iran does not even make the “Committee to Protect Journalist” top 20 most deadly countries list. Israel does. This is a gruesome list. Wondering why Jon Stewart chose to focus on Iran? Helping to build the foundation for a military strike on bad bad Iran? Producers of “Madam Secretary” doing the same?

    20 Deadliest Countries

    Iraq: 166
    Philippines: 77
    Syria: 72
    Algeria: 60
    Pakistan: 56
    Russia: 56
    Somalia: 53
    Colombia: 45
    India: 32
    Mexico: 30
    Brazil: 29
    Afghanistan: 26
    Turkey: 20
    Sri Lanka: 19
    Bosnia: 19
    Tajikistan: 17
    Rwanda: 17
    Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 16
    Sierra Leone: 16
    Bangladesh: 15

    • ritzl
      December 1, 2014, 3:06 pm

      Great comment, Kathleen. When those shows start simply touching on Israel-as-not-always-the-goodguy theme they’ll become tolerable.

      I surfed across one scene in “The Blacklist” where one of the main characters said he was ethnically Arab, but then the writers apparently felt compelled to have him “quickly protest tha he was “half Jewish” to prove that he wasn’t a bad person.

      It was one of the most casually and broadly slanderous moments I’ve ever seen on US TV. A billion people were just told they were/are sub-Jewish. I was truly shocked. But then, to bring it back to the article, it’s just another sign that Israeli malevolence is SO pronounced at this point that it simply cannot be contained.

    • Horizontal
      December 1, 2014, 6:48 pm

      Kathleen ~

      My antenna are always up for things that go bump in the night regarding how popular entertainment picks up on various political memes. From the past, we know that the CIA has used its contacts in the media to include story-lines deemed helpful to whatever cause needed goosing at any particular time. I don’t know if this is the case with Madam Secretary. The producers, Lori McCreary and Morgan Freeman. don’t seem to be cranking out right-wing products, so maybe they just needed a popular bad guy, like Back to the Future had Libyans. I’d be interested to know if some thought went into it or not, or if there’s an agenda in the works.

      As for Stewart, I know he’d left his show to work on a film, but didn’t know what it was about. I remember his bit on the Daily Show, “We Need to Talk About Israel, But Can’t,” which got so criticism from the pro-Israeli side, naturally, so maybe he didn’t want to stir the pot too much with going after them again. Who knows?

      Great point with your list.

      • Kathleen
        December 2, 2014, 11:04 am

        Stewart and his writers have opened up to the facts on the ground and doing spoofs on the racism, power of the lobby in the US far more the last 10 years. Far safer than the decade before when they never said boo about Israel’s crimes against humanity, never criticized Israeli leaders (while they criticized Iranian leaders etc often) Stewart and his writers even did a clever segment on then Congress woman Jane “waddling on over to interfere in the Aipac espionage investigation” Harman. But this willingness to address these issues the way they rip on other issues is relatively new. A healthy shift…but took them over a decade of Stewart being on air.

      • Kathleen
        December 2, 2014, 11:07 am

        On Lori McCreary, Morgan Freeman and their willingness to go along with the continue to demonize Iran that permeates our MSM. Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews etc all do it. Only talking heads that I have heard actually willing to present well educated and fact based laden guest on their programs to discuss Iran has been MSNBC’s Melissa Harris Perry. Chris Hayes throws a few facts out there.

  14. David Doppler
    December 1, 2014, 11:58 am

    Has making Hebrew the official language of Israel dumbed down its citizens?

    Recent research in language and the human mind reveals stronger links between language, thought and intelligence than has been previously understood. This RadioLab report broadcast on Public Radio earlier this year [http://www.radiolab.org/story/91725-words/transcript/ ]presents evidence that language is how the human brain connects different faculties – such as that for distinguishing direction and that for distinguishing color to enable learning and following rules like “to the left of the blue wall,” in ways that animals with those same faculties (or humans whose language faculty is distracted) cannot. Adding words to a self-invented sign language among a group of deaf-mutes kept together without training measurably increased the intelligence scores of the group on standardized intelligence tests. And speaking and reading to young children, using as many words as possible in child-care is being associated with higher performance in school. English is perhaps the biggest language in the world and in history, with somewhere between 250,000 and 1,000,000 words (depending on whether to count different definitions or parts of speech represented by the same spelling), and growing rapidly. According to Wikipedia, the Hebrew bible contains some 4000 words, and, with variations amounts to about 8000, with new Hebrew words (usually variants on the originals) being officially added regularly, bringing the total to somewhere in 20,000 to 80,000 range. There are close to 200 words in English borrowed from Hebrew, also according to Wikipedia.

    Viewing the devolution of Israeli society into an insular, racist collective voicing palpable fear of the people whose land they have seized and occupy, and who they continuously and increasingly oppress, is a wonder, given the reputation of Jews throughout history for intelligence, nuance, and, above all, the ability to live as a minority among other nations for millennia. Is it the language? Or the entire set of ancient social institutions?

    One wonders if being part of a collective that increasingly strives to re-establish a language, culture, religion-based political structure, in a homeland that ceased to exist two thousand years ago – in the early years of the Roman Empire and before the Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution, American style democracy – is willfully denying itself the benefits of two thousand years of the advance of civilization? The original promised land was described as a place where the stones were iron, and from the hills, copper could be mined – the dawn of the Iron Age!

    This ongoing inversion of history is a rare form of social pathology. Do the Israelis expect a better or different outcome for their dreamed-of Third Temple than that which accompanied the First and Second? Or which accompanied the Crusades? If so, why? Because the USA has been its staunch ally since its founding? A few more years of Netanyahu-style hubris – a fine Greek word for needlessly humiliating someone else for amusement so as to offend the gods, inviting divine rebuke and connoting arrogance combined with stupidity – will soon bring that to an end.

    Unlike ancient Israel’s, America’s political institutions are designed to withstand historic levels of corruption and incompetence, slough them off, and start anew. Congressional obeisance to Netanyahu and Likud cannot continue, not as Israel descends into Likud’s Lucifer Effect. Will Americans continue to follow a rampaging racist mob speaking an ancient language, justifying themselves with three-thousand-year-old scriptural passages?

    • DaBakr
      December 1, 2014, 1:16 pm

      quite a bit of navel gazing, twisted logic and asinine assumption here to fill a few volumes

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 2:39 pm

        “quite a bit of navel gazing, twisted logic and asinine assumption here to fill a few volumes”

        Yeah, thus saith the Lord our God. DaBakr, look, I really haven’t wanted to make a point of it, but just what the f–k is with you, man? I mean, just sayin’, you know, but what the f–k is it?

      • DaBakr
        December 1, 2014, 4:25 pm

        @msr
        what the fk is it? low tolerance for sheer idiocy, i guess.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:23 pm

        “what the fk is it? low tolerance for sheer idiocy, i guess”

        Is that just your way of asking for help with your browser? Or is it just part of you usual charm offensive?

      • DaBakr
        December 1, 2014, 8:04 pm

        @moos

        i can deal with exuberant anti-Zionism as that is the whole gist of MW in the first place. Bad puns and links to half-baked musings and “wonderment” about the intelligence of any said peoples (especially based on linguistics) is just my own personal limitation for tolerance of idiocy.
        And yes, thank you, as it is part of my large reservoir of personal charm.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:30 am

        “i can deal with exuberant anti-Zionism as that is the whole gist of MW in the first place”

        Wait a minute, “DaBakr”, I don’t recall where it says “exuberant anti-Zionism… is the whole gist of MW” on the “about” page.

        Are you saying this website has an ulterior motive not revealed on the “about” page? What a shocking accusation.

      • David Doppler
        December 2, 2014, 3:38 pm

        So DaBakr, how do you explain the collective mentality that gives rise to the long list of actions Phil describes above, which do seem “crazy” to me? Dangerous, as well. How do you diagnose the problem, or do you not see any problem?

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 5:55 pm

        David, there’s nothing wrong with it!
        All that is part of ‘the normalization of Jewish self-determination’ and if it’s not, it’s part of ‘the self-determination of Jewish normalization’ and if that isn’t it (hey, I’m flexible), well, it must be part of ‘the self-normalization of Jewish determination’

        And it’s well, normal.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 4:47 pm

        “i can deal with exuberant anti-Zionism as that is the whole gist of MW in the first place”

        What I wonder about is why a website with so many ulterior motives, so many sub-agendas, and so actively involved in encouraging the destruction of the Government of Israel and spreading disdian for secular Jews (hey, ask Yonah) even bothered to have an “about” page.

    • ritzl
      December 1, 2014, 3:11 pm

      Heh. Sounds like a decent argument for making ARABIC the official language of Israel.

    • seafoid
      December 1, 2014, 5:45 pm

      “Do the Israelis expect a better or different outcome for their dreamed-of Third Temple than that which accompanied the First and Second? ”

      They thought they could escape their past by moving to the Levant but they are prisoners of it.

      “Unlike ancient Israel’s, America’s political institutions are designed to withstand historic levels of corruption and incompetence, slough them off, and start anew”

      That doesn’t seem to be working either

      • David Doppler
        December 1, 2014, 6:34 pm

        “That doesn’t seem to be working either.” Alas, so far, you are right. But then slaveowners dominated US legislation until 1861, but were ultimately sloughed off, despite horrific cost to the country. I take a long view, and hope this “molt” will not be as costly, for either the US or Israel/Palestine.

    • DaBakr
      December 2, 2014, 2:21 pm

      @moo

      so now the definition of “gist” must be explained for you .

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 10:49 am

        Everybody knows what a “gist” is. It’s like a “nub”.

  15. eljay
    December 1, 2014, 1:46 pm

    >> When I was in Israel last month, I went to a demonstration at which … a young man explained calmly/angrily to me that he is a Jew before he is a human being …

    Instead of being calm/angry, he should have been ashamed to explain to you that he is a supremacist.

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2014, 11:33 am

      “When I was in Israel last month, I went to a demonstration at which … a young man explained calmly/angrily to me that he is a Jew before he is a human being”

      Oh, no. Somebody had to go and bring up MJR, and that reminded me of the circumcision thread, and then my eyes chanced on the above. That kid may have a point.

      • Citizen
        December 2, 2014, 11:45 am

        If a male was a Jew before they were a human being, there’d be no need for a circumcision ritual? Or is this the issue of fetus versus human being, acorn versus tree? Or what? Is any one a male or female before they are a human being, or even a fetus? I read that the DNA differential as between male & human females is 5% while the DNA differential between humans and chimps is 4%.

      • Mooser
        December 6, 2014, 12:42 pm

        “If a male was a Jew before they were a human being, there’d be no need for a circumcision ritual?”

        Oy, Citizen, I should know? I’m Reform, my religious education and BarMitzvah took place before the ’67 war, and I’m a real Litvak to boot, so I’m not up on all the latest theology. Ask Yonah, he’s an expert on this stuff.

        However, I have no doubt that the latest techniques in pre-natal arthroscopic surgery and medical imaging make in vivo circumcision possible, maybe even preferable.

  16. Philip Munger
    December 1, 2014, 2:00 pm

    I just re-read portions of Blumenthal’s “Goliath” this past week, before loaning it out. It strikes me as more prescient than when it was written. In no facets of Israeli life have politics or public affairs moderated in the intervening 15 months. Dozens, if not hundreds of statements by Israeli politicians and pundits reinforce the drift into more odious aspects of racism and hyper militarism, just as Mr. Blumenthal predicted would happen.

    Yet not one of the book’s early detractors has revisited her or his initial claims of inaccuracy or lack of context or whatever, to apologize, or to recognize the book’s initial and growing importance. I wondered if that might begin to occur soon, as I handed the book over to a person who has just come to realize, since Gaza 2014, what a loathsome “greatest ally in the Middle East” we are saddled with.

  17. lysias
    December 1, 2014, 2:16 pm

    The man on the lower right is wearing the feldgrau uniform of an Army officer. The four others are wearing SS uniforms: Sturmhauptführer (twice), Gruppenführer, and Obersturmbannf¨hrer (or maybe I should say Obersturmbannf¨hrerin, since the uniform is worn by a woman).

    • OyVey00
      December 1, 2014, 2:49 pm

      Maybe the IDF should contract Hugo BOSS to design them some new uniforms. Might as well look cool while killing people.

      • DaBakr
        December 1, 2014, 6:23 pm

        hah!. an actual funny nazi /Jew joke.

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:25 pm

        “Maybe the IDF should contract Hugo BOSS to design them some new uniforms. Might as well look cool while killing people.”

        Gosh, what a provocative statement! Who knows what kind of response it might lead to?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 6:31 pm

        Might as well look cool while killing people.

        Russel Brand said something similar http://new.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/WATCH-Russel-Brand-takes-a-dig-at-Hugo-Boss-over-Nazi-uniforms-325721

        Russel Brand takes a dig at Hugo Boss over Nazi uniforms: “But they looked f***ing fantastic, let’s face it, while they were killing people on the basis of their religion and sexuality.”

      • DaBakr
        December 1, 2014, 8:10 pm

        I guess our bag-hat helmets don’t count as ‘cool’…

      • RoHa
        December 1, 2014, 8:45 pm

        “Maybe the IDF should contract Hugo BOSS to design them some new uniforms.”

        No way I could prove this, but I have long suspected that a good part of the political success of Nazism came from the style rather than the substance. The stage direction of the rallies, Riefenstahl’s films, the uniforms, the eagles, and, of course, that brilliantly conceived flag all added up to compelling visuals. Not so much a triumph of the will as a triumph of graphic design.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 9:11 pm

        roha, when i was in israel i was very impressed by the waistline of the iof slacks style. just a little lower on the hips. it dawned on me i had never seen a military slacks style like that and i thought to myself ‘of course, these kids right out of high school was to look stylin’ struttin’ around town w/the semi automatic machine gun slung over their shoulder.’

      • seafoid
        December 2, 2014, 3:08 am

        “i was very impressed by the waistline of the iof slacks style. just a little lower on the hips”

        Annie

        A lot of earlier Zionist PR sells this amazon warrior image of the women. How progressive, these fighters. I remember seeing it in some airport fiction at some stage as well. Maybe it was Wilbur Smith. The f#ckability of those IDF women.

        Never mind the brainwashing. Just turn yourself on, men, via the cruelty. And the uniform.

        Remember during the summer the strip off for ha IDF

        http://www.ibtimes.com/israeli-women-strip-standing-idf-facebook-page-part-larger-propaganda-effort-1638230

        All citizens give everything to the effort. No civil disobedience .

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:08 pm

        “Maybe the IDF should contract Hugo BOSS to design them some new uniforms. Might as well look cool while killing people.” “OyVey00”

        Gosh, does that seem like fishing for anti-Semitism to you? It sure does to me.

        “hah!. an actual funny nazi /Jew joke.” “DaBakr”

        Yup, I had a feeling it would provoke an even more anti-Semitic response. After all, that’s what it was supposed to do.

  18. ivri
    December 1, 2014, 2:44 pm

    Sometimes it pays tactically not to appear too normal/sane – the others tend to exploit a too well-behaving and predictable opponent – it could saw some fears in their hearts (they all know what capabilities Israel possess and in more than one way)

    • Mooser
      December 1, 2014, 6:28 pm

      “Sometimes it pays tactically not to appear too normal/sane”

      Yup the old “Mad Dog” tactic? Yes, I believe Netanyahoo or maybe Dayan spoke of Israel as a “mad dog”

      I guess that was the tactic those four poor Rabbis were using? They were gonna “mad dog” it up to the “Temple Mount” and pray?

      • Mooser
        December 1, 2014, 6:37 pm

        Israel Mom: “Oy look who is home from school! My bright little Israeli schoolchildren! Hello, my darlings, the hope of our nation, and what did you learn in school today?”

        Son: “Well, we talked about being good Israelis. The teacher stressed that “sometimes it pays tactically not to appear too normal/sane” and told us to always have an explosive temper, deep, deep hatreds, and act out violently on first impulse.”

        Israeli Mom: “Yes, but you must remember, that applies only to Arabs, towards your Mother you should…

        Son: “Can it, stormtrooper! How’d you like to end up on Facebook with Eva Braun’s body?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 9:04 pm

        LOL!!!

      • ivri
        December 1, 2014, 6:55 pm

        @Mooser
        No, the 4 Rabbis have nothing to do with it – they have been purely into religious studies – but they may have sown the next real “crazy” phase – what happened there, particularly with the axes, has left a huge and lasting scar in the Israeli psyche and the no immediate response to that should not delude anybody. I have no doubt in my mind that just as the retake of the West-Bank by Sharon was triggered by the Park hotel massacre (scores of Passover celebrating people gunned down there) this act signaled a coming Battle on Arab Jerusalem.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 1, 2014, 8:59 pm

        this act signaled a coming Battle on Arab Jerusalem.

        there were lots of collective acts signaling a coming Battle over east Jerusalem an al aqsa before that massacre. had there not been the attack probably would not have occurred.

      • oldgeezer
        December 2, 2014, 12:57 am

        @ivri

        Oh boo hoo. Save me the crocodile tears over the four Rabbis and who gives a crap about the Israeli psyche . Elevating Israel to a human level while demeaning Palestinians to a subhuman. Sick. Nothing but sick.

        Those four rabbis did not deserve to be murdered. No one does, except for maybe a few serial killers. I am kinda on the fence on that one.

        Israel and Israeli’s should have considered the consequence and blowback from dehumanizing millions of individuals. The brutality. Murders. Collective punishment. As an atheist I can only say, so ye sow, so shall ye reap. Israel is the brutal aggressor and is to blame for it’s own losses when those they tread on strike back.

        Suck it up ivri. Or rejoin humanity. We don’t really miss you but won’t object.

      • just
        December 2, 2014, 4:40 am

        Mooser~ you have such a gift!

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:39 am

        “Oh boo hoo. Save me the crocodile tears over the four Rabbis and who gives a crap about the Israeli psyche”

        Well, who knows, it may be possible, it may even be probable, that those four Rabbis were so religious, so frum, frum, frum (’til Daddy takes the Talmud away) that they hardly lived in this terrible world. Okay, I can dig that, they get like that sometimes.
        And nobody could warn them, nobody could prevent them from going there? Nobody bothered to try? They would not have listened to the GOI? Yeah, tell me about how much Israel is mourning those US and UK born Rabbis.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 11:43 am

        “Mooser~ you have such a gift!”

        I’m just a guy who lives in a Wodehouse playing with matches while casting Perelman before swine.

    • Horizontal
      December 1, 2014, 6:57 pm

      Sometimes it pays tactically not to appear too normal/sane – the others tend to exploit a too well-behaving and predictable opponent . . .

      Wouldn’t there have to have been a situation where the Israelis got exploited by the Palestinians in order for your thesis to make sense? Can’t think of a time.

      Somehow, I’m not seeing Israeli actions as a carefully constructed ruse aimed at duping a foreign audience. Maybe Occam’s Razor is useful here: Israel is simply getting more and more radical.

    • ckg
      December 1, 2014, 7:20 pm

      Sometimes it pays tactically not to appear too normal/sane.

      Indeed. That seems to be the legal counsel given to the adult who murdered Mohammed Abu Khdeir.

  19. just
    December 1, 2014, 3:19 pm

    “Pssst! Is Israel going crazy?”

    going, going, gone.

    long gone. A veritable “pig in a poke”. A shame, a shanda, etc.

  20. a blah chick
    December 1, 2014, 3:29 pm

    You would think that the “Start Up Nation” could have found someone who could have done a better photo shop job. Geez.

  21. seafoid
    December 1, 2014, 5:05 pm

    “In short, Israel’s leaders are catering to knuckleheads and crazies because there’s a political payoff ”

    More precisely because they made the modern Israel and they educated the people to be racist morons. The role of education in the unfolding catastrophe is central .

    Ignorance is to Israel what the hijab/higab is to Egypt. It dominates now whereas 40 years ago it was marginal.

  22. seafoid
    December 1, 2014, 5:53 pm

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d02ece34-75a2-11e4-a1a9-00144feabdc0.html

    “What we are seeing today is not the worst Jerusalem has seen. But it threatens to turn into a global conflict. When the city is caught up in religious strife, the suffering is reflected elsewhere in the region and beyond. Rhetoric and mutual intolerance is spreading, with every incident ratcheting up the sense of gloom and mistrust. A vicious cycle of incitement is creating an unholy race back towards the Dark Ages.

    The murders in the past month at the Jerusalem synagogue were a most condemnable act of savagery. So too was the barbaric killing in July of the Arab youth, Mohammed Abu Khdeir – as well as the murders of the Jewish youths for which this was widely seen as revenge – and the dozens of deaths, including those of Arabs, that followed. For many, the city is becoming a place of exclusion, each group attempting to assert control at the expense of the other. This not only goes against our Abrahamic culture, the root of western civilisation, but also the notion of one God and the equal status of His children – Jews, Christians and Muslims.

    The great kabbalist, Yehuda Ashlag, taught that the means for correcting the problems in the world are mercy, truth, righteousness and peace. None of these qualities are evident in today’s disputes over possession of Jerusalem’s holiest sites.

    The way forward is lit by the heroes of the past. The willingness of Muslim leaders almost 1,400 years ago to allow Jews to live in Jerusalem was matched by Israel’s acceptance in 1967 of control by the Islamic Waqf – the Jordanian religious trust that administers the site – of the city’s al-Aqsa mosque. That spirit needs to be rekindled for our times.

    Jerusalem desperately needs a new covenant for its inhabitants, and indeed for the world. Political and religious leaders must reflect the wisdom of the past and express a renewed commitment of respect for each other and for our respective places of worship. We dare not allow our fears and mistrusts to fester and lead to more senseless bloodshed. “

    • Whizdom
      December 1, 2014, 9:50 pm

      The Temple Mount was an abandoned wasteland when Umar arrived 1400 years ago. The Byzantines were using it as a landfill. The Byzntines had outlawed the practice of the Jewish faith and expelled Jews from the old city. Umar invited 75 jewish families from Tiberias to move to the city and he consulted Jewish scholars in the placement of Al-Aksa to avoid encroaching the sacred precincts. He lifted the ban and expulsion and invited Jews to join his administration.
      ironic to see the unholy alliance of the modern Intolerant Christian fundamentalists and the red heifer people against the Moslems of modern Jerusalem. When Israel captured the old city in 67 one of their first acts was to raze the historic Megrahbi Moslem quarter at the base of the Western Wall, giving the residents less than three hours notice before the bulldozers came to make the plaza we see today.

      • oldgeezer
        December 2, 2014, 12:19 am

        In my opinion it’s not all that ironic really. The common word which, in my mind, applies between the three Abrahamic religions is fundamentalist. They are all equally crazed. They belong in the 19th century or earlier but for whatever reason these nutcases are currently flourishing, in charge and equally dangerous.

      • Walid
        December 2, 2014, 5:22 am

        “… The Byzantines were using it as a landfill.”

        You’re being very polite.

      • Walid
        December 2, 2014, 5:26 am

        “… the three Abrahamic religions … They are all equally crazed.”

        So true, the Moslems have their crazies in ISIS, the Christians in the End-Timers, and the Jews in their Israelis.

      • RoHa
        December 2, 2014, 5:39 am

        Baha’i is an Abrahamic religion. Are you suggesting Baha’is are not crazed?

      • Walid
        December 2, 2014, 5:42 am

        Amd speaking of crazies and how they flock together, the Jewish ones are on good terms with the Moslem ones; from SANA, the Syrian News Agency:

        Israel provides medical treatment to terrorists wounded in Syria
        01/12/2014

        Occupied Jerusalem, SANA, Israeli occupation forces transported Monday three wounded terrorists from Syria to its hospitals in the occupied Palestinian territories In a new provocative step in defying the whole world which calls for countering all forms of terrorism.

        Since the beginning of the Syrian crisis, Israel’s support to terrorists has been very clear at all levels, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visit to a field hospital that was established especially for treating terrorists transported from Syria to the occupied Palestinian territories in an outrageous violation of the international law and the relevant UN Security Council’s resolutions.

        Israeli TV Channel 2 reported on its Website that two wounded terrorists were transported from Syria to Nahariya hospital in Galilee, northern Palestine, while another one was transported to Poriya Hospital.
        Walla website indicated that “Poriya hospital has treated 124 persons wounded in Syria so far,” while more than 449 wounded received medical treatment at Nahariya Hospital, according to Channel 2 website.
        Members of “Jabhat al-Nusra” terrorist organization spread in the disengagement zone, and they are supported by Israel in spite of the UN condemnation of terrorist crimes perpetrated by this organization.

        http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=20130

      • eljay
        December 2, 2014, 7:29 am

        >> Walid: So true, the Moslems have their crazies in ISIS, the Christians in the End-Timers, and the Jews in their Israelis.

        Jews have their crazies in Zio-supremacists, not just in Israelis.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:01 pm

        “Baha’i is an Abrahamic religion. “

        Exactly! When I was a kid, all the Jews used to greet each with: “Hello, Shalom! ” And we always answered: “Hello! I’m fine, so how’s Baha’i you?”

  23. just
    December 1, 2014, 6:19 pm

    via Max’s twitter, I found this sad testimonial from Yeshayahu Leibowitz:

  24. RoHa
    December 1, 2014, 6:20 pm

    Going?

  25. Kay24
    December 1, 2014, 9:45 pm

    Here’s how insane they are:

    “IDF confiscates 8 tarps meant to shelter Bedouin from winter storms
    Civil Administration says tarpaulins were slated to be used for illegal construction.
    By Amira Hass 02:31 02.12.14 2

    Israel’s Civil Administration in the West Bank has confiscated eight large tarpaulins meant to protect residents of a Bedouin tent from the rain, claiming they would be used for illegal construction.” Haaretz

    The biggest squatters in the ME, being spiteful towards helpless Bedouins, by confiscating tarpaulins that would shelter these poor people (who have already faced the zio meanness) in the winter. The devil at work again. These lunatics have an obsession for demolishing homes and depriving those under their powers, of shelter. They have major psychological problems.

    • seafoid
      December 2, 2014, 1:10 am

      “These lunatics have an obsession for demolishing homes and depriving those under their powers, of shelter “-

      And next year they’ll celebrate sukkot without irony.
      Zero self awareness.

  26. eGuard
    December 2, 2014, 3:27 am

    Please stop crying over Israel like this. It’s a chutspa. It detracts from the error that was always there: Zionism is racist.

    Tom Friedman won a Pulitzer for reporting on Sharon’s Sabra & Shatilla massacre in 1982. What did he report? “Israel disappoints me“.

  27. just
    December 2, 2014, 5:13 am

    Bradley Burston cries croc tears as any “Liberal” Zionist is wont to do:

    “WATCH: ‘Jewish nation-state bill is akin to incitement’
    Haaretz’s Bradley Burston unpacks the nation-state bill, explaining its three key flaws, and asserts how Israel could define itself as primarily Jewish without sacrificing its democracy.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/video/.premium-1.629438

    • seafoid
      December 2, 2014, 5:55 am

      Burston reminds me of the partner of an alcoholic who thinks that her love for the drinker will save him even though cirrhosis has already started.

      There was a very sad story in the Irish Times about how delude ourselves about terminal risk

      http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/wife-tells-cork-inquest-of-toxic-spider-that-bit-husband-1.2010764

      “A man whose death was reported to be linked to a toxic spider bite died from a ruptured oesophagus, an inquest has heard.
      In several media reports following the death of John Francis Kennedy (48) of Avoncore Place in Midleton, Co Cork, his widow told how he became unwell and died as a result of a venomous spider bite.
      Mr Kennedy, who died on July 18th last, was bitten by a poisonous spider in January 2013, his wife told Cork City Coroner’s Court.
      Jeanne Kennedy said her husband had two holes in his neck as a result of a spider bite and the culprit was later found in a child’s schoolbag full of cobwebs.
      “He had two marks on his neck and I have a photo of them. We found the spider two weeks later, it was in my daughter’s schoolbag,” Mrs Kennedy said.
      “What else could cause two bite marks there? They were like two little holes.
      “He felt it – a bite – and then he flicked it and he started bleeding then,” she said.
      The father of five told his wife he’d been bitten by a spider, Mrs Kennedy said.
      “It was a black spider with a weird red back. We found it in the schoolbag after and there were loads of cobwebs in the bag,” she said.
      The inquest heard that Mr Kennedy was admitted to Mercy University Hospital, Cork in a critically unwell condition on July 18th. He had been bleeding since the previous day and was vomiting blood.
      In his autopsy, Pathologist Prof Nollaig Parfrey found that Mr Kennedy died of a ruptured oesophagus, on a background of bleeding veins, secondary to alcohol cirrhosis.
      Asked by Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane if the death was related to a spider bite, Prof Parfrey replied “No.”
      Mrs Kennedy asked Prof Parfrey if he had investigated the spider bite.
      “I took it into account but could find no evidence,” he replied.
      In the weeks following Mr Kennedy’s death, reports of the alleged poisonous spider bite circulated through several news outlets. Speculation that the spider was a Redback, native to Australia, followed.
      As part of the inquest process, consultant in infectious diseases Prof Mary Horgan was asked for her opinion. In a report she stated that symptoms relating to toxic spider bites usually surfaced within days, not months.
      Upon his arrival at MUH, medics tried to save Mr Kennedy, who had a previous diagnosis of liver disease. Consultant Hepatobiliary Surgeon Chriostoir O’Sulleabhain said doctors were unable to identify the source of the blood loss due to the extent of the bleeding.
      “The anatomy was completely distorted,” he said.
      Doctors tried for two hours to save Mr Kennedy’s life but were unable to stabilise him and he died at 5.45am.
      Extending her sympathies to the family, Dr Cullinane returned a verdict of misadventure.”

      • just
        December 2, 2014, 6:37 am

        How very sad, indeed.

  28. just
    December 2, 2014, 5:44 am

    “How easy it is to prevent escalation in Jerusalem
    Palestinians are generous when they attribute Israel’s policies to the stupidity of its leaders.

    Almost every conversation in East Jerusalem over the past few weeks has ended with the statement: “They are stupid” – meaning the Israeli government is stupid to behave in such-and-such a way toward Palestinian Jerusalem. If they would just make it easier to obtain construction permits, they say, if they would add just a few percentage points to the budget, if they would not beat demonstrators so savagely, if they did not trump up traffic violations, for example, then the clashes would not spread like wildfire.

    This is the consecutive third week with no age restriction on people attending Friday prayers at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and everything went quietly. Got that? No humiliations and restrictions, no rioting.

    The definition of the government’s actions as stupid is a fairly common act of generosity on the part of Palestinians, the generosity of the native-born. It is the generosity of those who are well planted in the villages and neighborhoods that have turned into slums, sealed ghettos; neighborhoods that are a mixture of wide roads for the Jews, open areas where Palestinian construction is prohibited, kitschy villas and ordinary apartments that cost 400,000 dollars, because the housing shortage is so severe. If you are Palestinian, that is.

    Stupidity is beyond the control of the stupid person. The poor fellow was born that way. Stupid people can be replaced and their stupid actions set right. Those who say “this is stupidity” do not say it is malice; those who diagnose stupidity do not say it is a premeditated crime. It is a demonstration of generosity when the words used to describe Israel’s policy in East Jerusalem have run out. How many times can we say apartheid, discrimination, silent transfer, expulsion, racism, exclusion, dispossession, assault, impoverishment, weakening?”

    more @ http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.629286

  29. just
    December 2, 2014, 6:24 am

    “In Israel, a ‘zero tolerance’ policy on hate crimes just isn’t enough

    How has it come to pass that attacks on institutions that work towards Arab-Jewish coexistence are considered a matter of course?

    ….These price-tag attacks are not only tolerated, but seem to have become our own broken windows. It’s almost come to be expected that progressive or left-leaning Jewish organizations, institutions that work for Arab-Jewish coexistence, and Muslim or Christian property will be defaced on a regular basis with graffiti reading “Death to Arabs” or “Kahane was right.” And yet, it seems no one has been prosecuted in any of these attacks.

    “No one has been arrested,” Wharton says. “No one has even been called in to be questioned by the police. For so long, the city, the police and the national government have ignored all the signs that we were heading down a slippery slope.”

    Mickey Rosenfeld, a police spokesman, said that there were several open investigations of price-tag attacks in Jerusalem and in the West Bank, but no indictments of which he was aware.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-vivendi/.premium-1.629476

    craziness run amok.

  30. Kay24
    December 2, 2014, 6:56 am

    Iran and US fighting ISIS. Looks like Beebs must come up with another cartoon soon.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/01/us-iran-iraq_n_6251894.html

    • just
      December 2, 2014, 9:44 am

      And what is Israel doing? Nothing, but mouthing off and creating more mayhem.

      Of course Iran will come to the aid of sane people. Iran has been sanctioned and terribly hurt while we launched two horrible wars on their borders, after arming Iraq with junk to kill thousands of Iranian people~ men, women, and children.

      Not to mention that we helped make ISIL and JSIL.

  31. shalom
    December 2, 2014, 8:36 am

    Philip, crazy is everywhere, depending on your filters. The Huffington Post, (a pretty mainstream American news site), even titles one of its sections Weird News. As for politics, American style,. let alone what happens across the ocean in Israel, there are lies, whoppers, illegitimate stories and you must admit that more often than not insanity abounds. To quote Jonathan Cook or Max Blumenthal passes as crazy as far as quite a few people are concerned. But since your site is interested in destroying the Israeli government and you had no problem posting those despicable images of Israeli leaders including Reuvin Rivlin I would characterize your entire effort as certifiable, (and no doubt would be able to get more than a few eminent psychiatrists to agree with me).

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2014, 3:11 pm

      “But since your site is interested in destroying the Israeli government”

      It is not! Have you read the “about” page? There is nothing, absolutely nothing, on it about destroying the Israeli government.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:39 pm

        ” and you had no problem posting those despicable images of Israeli leaders”

        “Fabricated images of Israeli politicians in Nazi uniforms, captured by Times of Israel”

        “Ivri” are you trying to tell us Israel needs a keeper, or a nurse?

    • Mooser
      December 3, 2014, 6:14 pm

      “I would characterize your entire effort as certifiable, (and no doubt would be able to get more than a few eminent psychiatrists to agree with me).”

      Yes, but four-out-of-five dentists who chew gum say that Mondoweiss removes tooth-stains and promotes healthy gums, and when used according to directions, is an effective dentifrice.

      • seafoid
        December 3, 2014, 6:23 pm

        Mondoweiss is very effective against systematic brain malfunction brought on by excessive exposure to hasbara logic.
        And 8 out of 10 cats prefer Whiskas.
        the other 2 were not available for comment but are believed to work for Sheldon Adelson.

      • Bumblebye
        December 3, 2014, 7:18 pm

        No, no seafoid, those 2 more discerning moggies are mine! While they express a very clear preference for real chicken or tuna, they mostly get one of the (more expensive) Felix varieties.

  32. just
    December 2, 2014, 8:54 am

    “Livni: Looming election will show if Israel is Zionist – or extremist”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.629598?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    One and the same~ crazy extremism.

  33. CigarGod
    December 2, 2014, 10:42 am

    Israel is like a big herd of cattle that a few cowboys are trying to control. The herd contains young, old, weak, strong, ill, lame, new borns…and probably unknown to the non-cowboy reader…malingerers, delinquents, crazies…and the criminally insane. You have to keep this mix in control as you move them from gazing allotment to allotment. Sometimes, outside forces like dust-devils, lightning, predator scent scatter a herd…and you and your horse have to work hard make sure they don’t scatter too far…or get up a head of hysterical steam…and stampede. I ride drag. That’s the tail end of the drive. It is where the less desirable animals hangout…and are always trying to make a break for it. There is a cow communication that is hard to see/hear…but a group will suddenly break away…in all directions. I love riding drag. It is the hottest, dustiest, buggiest, most dangerous place to be. The job requires a cowboy to become a clever tyrant…with the skills of a clairvoyant. Anyway, this is how I see israel.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 2, 2014, 1:08 pm

      wow that sounds so cool cigargod. yes!

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2014, 3:13 pm

        “I love riding drag. “

        So do I! I even learned to ride side-saddle.

      • CigarGod
        December 2, 2014, 3:23 pm

        An unexpected ride thru sharp spined Russian Olives (and I don’t mean…Olive the Russian) will git yer leg over the saddle. But, you can switch to side-saddle agin once you break out into 500 acres of saddle high sunflowers. It ain’t all eatin dust;-)

    • CigarGod
      December 2, 2014, 3:18 pm

      ;-)

  34. Walid
    December 2, 2014, 10:43 am

    From someone that should know, from Carmi Gillon at Arutz Sheva:

    Former Shin Bet Chief Slams Netanyahu as ‘Egomaniac’

    Former Israel Security Agency chief Carmi Gillon attends leftist protest, says Israel led “by a bunch of pyromaniacs”.

    First Publish: 11/30/2014, 3:20 AM

    Former Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) chief Carmi Gillon on Saturday night launched a scathing attack on Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government.

    “Israel is headed today by a bunch of pyromaniacs and is being led by an egomaniac to its final destruction,” said Gillon, who spoke at a demonstration by leftists protesting against the Jewish State Law outside the Prime Minister’s residence in Jerusalem.

    “The Jewish State Law will eat the body of the entire nation like a cancer. The continuation of the radical and messianist policy on the Temple Mount will bring about a Gog and Magog war against the Jewish people,” he added.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188025#.VH3a-dKUfZc

    Feiglin’s response: Gillon Should Sit at Home and Shut Up

    • seafoid
      December 2, 2014, 11:56 am

      Netanyahu was already nuts age 27

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMFxIauuME

      That whole ideology of his is paranoid, violent, cruel and shortsighted.
      It required the reengineering of the Israeli education system with the sick results we see today.
      He has the charisma of all the great sociopaths.
      And is an utter sonofabitch
      But not ours.

      • Kay24
        December 2, 2014, 12:38 pm

        Yes “NITAY” look unhinged even then. The signs were there, so were the lies.

        The Palestinians may have mentioned they want to drive the “Jews” into the sea, which some might say is the usual reaction towards those who have been rudely dumped amongst their midst, without their approval, but the shrinking map will clearly show exactly who is being driven out, and is losing more and more land as we write. The refugee camps are not full of Jews, but Arabs, the massacres are by Jews and not Arabs, and illegal settlements are full of Jews not Arabs.

  35. RobertB
    December 2, 2014, 11:23 am

    Bethlehem in 2014

    “Towering walls and militarized fences now encircle Bethlehem, turning the 4,000-year-old city into a virtual prison for its Palestinian Christian and Muslim citizens. Bethlehem has only three gates to the outside world, all tightly controlled by Israeli occupation forces.

    Israel has confiscated almost all the agricultural land in the area for illegal settlements, making it impossible for many Palestinian farmers to continue tending their land. Outside the town, the fields where shepherds once watched their flocks are being filled by Israeli housing blocs and roads barred to the descendants of those shepherds.

    “It is unconscionable that Bethlehem should be allowed to die slowly from strangulation,” says South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Bethlehem’s residents increasingly are fleeing Israel’s confining walls, and soon the city, home to the oldest Christian community in the world, will have little left of its Christian history but the cold stones of empty churches. ”

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/bethlehem.html

  36. Kathleen
    December 2, 2014, 11:56 am

    Last night( Monday) on Chris Matthews Hardball he threw out a comment that Iran should not go “nuclear”. So fucking inflammatory, so dangerous. Matthews does not state facts about Iran being a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty, that they have the right to enrich up to 20% for peaceful purposes. That Israel has and continues to refuse to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Treaty while they sit on massive stockpiles of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. Chris is actively helping build the foundation for a military strike on Iran with such flippant and uninformed statements about Iran. The rest of his show was focused on how Republicans etc just toss out irresponsible and inflammatory comments about “food stamps” or “Benghazi”

    Comments like his last night about Iran are as reckless and as the comments he likes to point out that Republicans make about those on “food stamps” and Clinton and “Benghazi” Purposely said to stir up superficial and destructive misunderstandings about serious issues

  37. Vera Gottlieb
    December 2, 2014, 12:37 pm

    israel’s paranoia…way past ‘meshuggas’.

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2014, 5:38 pm

      israel’s paranoia…way past ‘meshuggas’.”

      Yes, and didn’t somebody once describe Israel’s actions as “beyond chutzpah“?

  38. yonah fredman
    December 2, 2014, 7:14 pm

    I’ll use an understatement and a euphemism. Israel is going through a tough time right now. But I don’t think the photoshopped photos at the top of this post adds to sanity or depicts the essence of the problem. the choice of this graphic indicates a sensationalist tendency.

    • just
      December 2, 2014, 8:50 pm

      “Israel is going through a tough time right now”

      Tougher than Palestinians have endured? Including the 500+ children that Israel massacred lately… photoshopping is hardly the “essence of the problem”.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 6:30 pm

        ” photoshopping is hardly the “essence of the problem””

        That’s right, “just”. “Yonah” makes it clear the problem is that Mondoweiss chose to run the pictures.

    • Mooser
      December 3, 2014, 10:47 am

      .” the choice of this graphic indicates a sensationalist tendency.”

      Yonah, why don’t you speak plainly? Get the mush out of your mouth. Everybody knows you can’t spell “sensationalist” without ‘Stalinist’ !

    • Mooser
      December 3, 2014, 6:25 pm

      “I’ll use an understatement and a euphemism.”

      Oh, you’ll try, but if you can’t think clearly about an issue, you can’t write clearly, and you will end up betraying yourself. So you go and use “an understatement and a euphemism” if you like, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t obligate anybody else to do the same thing.
      Yonah, you do understand that using “an understatement and a euphemism” about something (as if one wasn’t enough?) doesn’t change the thing itself, don’t you?

    • yonah fredman
      December 3, 2014, 8:08 pm

      A graphic of this sensationalist nature makes me wonder about Phil Weiss’s “the Jews are the key to US policy on Israel” thesis. It would seem that despite this thesis, Phil tilts his blog in an offensive direction. That is: the only Jews who will end up agreeing with Phil are those who already agree with him. How is MW taking a role in changing Jewish opinion?

      Who is this type of graphic aimed at? It seems aimed at the comments section of MW, with its attitude ranging from fervently antiZionist to violently antiZionist. And its (the comments section’s) attitude towards secular Judaism (as in: are secular Jews allowed to call themselves Jews or must they call themselves former Jews?) somewhere between hatred and disdain and certainly not philSemitic by any stretch of the imagination.

      This graphic is playing to the choir of those apathetic or disdainful of secular Jews and how does Phil Weiss think MW is to play a role in influencing what he considers a key demographic.

      Maybe he is aiming it towards the true believers and thinks that the stronger the antiZionists are in their solidarity and resilience, that eventually this will influence the Democratic party and eventually the US Jews of the moderate left of the Democratic party will follow their liberal hearts into the antiZionist camp. Maybe.

      But this type of graphic will entice no one except those who are already true believers.

      • yonah fredman
        December 3, 2014, 8:09 pm

        philosemitic

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 10:57 am

        Yonah, you do understand that neither Phil Wiess nor his somewhat eponymous website created those offensive graphics. They are from the Times of Israel.

        Do you really expect every Jew in the world to function as Zionism’s propaganda mouthpiece and censor?

        Yonah, let’s get down to cases, all right? You went to the settlements, you went to occupied territory, and you couldn’t make it. You had a nervous breakdown and left.

        Well, maybe Phil feels somewhat the same, but is capable of a more organized response.

      • yonah fredman
        December 4, 2014, 11:34 am

        ad hominem ad infinitum ad putzem.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 3:59 pm

        Yonah, I got to hand it to you, I never thought of combining Yiddish and Latin into Yatin!

        So, Yonah, why don’t you tell us how Phil and Mondoweiss should go about “taking a role in changing Jewish opinion?” By replacing “philsemitism” (sic) with “philo-semitism”?

        You have the floor and I await your answer. Please run it past somebody not quite so badly afflicted with bass-ackwardness before hitting “post” so it’ll make sense.

        And once again, you do understand that the graphic is from the Times of Israel? Last I heard, that particular publication was not edited by Phil Wiess, nor does it consult him on what news is fit to print. But you are gonna blame Phil Wiess and the Mondo comment section for this somehow, since there’s no blaming “the Arabs.” Remember them, the people whose “interests got run over” in Palestine?

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 4:08 pm

        “This graphic is playing to the choir of those apathetic or disdainful of secular Jews”

        Yonah, this could be the start of something big! Perhaps “philsemitism” will replace secular Jewishness, or even former Jewishness.

      • yonah fredman
        December 4, 2014, 7:36 pm

        Quotation marks around a swear word, don’t make it less of a swear word. Graphics of this sort quoted from some sick scary dangerous right wingers, is still use of sensational graphics. The eye sees way before the attribution and the logic counter with their weak arguments. The picture is the message, not the attribution and the logic.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 7:46 pm

        “The eye sees way before the attribution and the logic counter with their weak arguments”

        Yonah, if you can’t, or won’t read, that’s your problem.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 7:51 pm

        “Quotation marks around a swear word, don’t make it less of a swear word.”

        Good start, Yonah, and maybe someday you will even find out what quotation marks are used for, besides enclosing things you imagine, or wish, somebody else said. I mean, c’mon, for that you went to college.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 8:27 pm

        “Phil Weiss’s “the Jews are the key to US policy on Israel” thesis. “

        Yonah, I just Goggled that phrase, and nothing came up. Several different ways You just made it up. Phil Wiess never said that, and certainly not as a “thesis”. Why do you just make stuff up, and put quotes around it?

      • RoHa
        December 4, 2014, 8:37 pm

        “Quotation marks around a swear word, don’t make it less of a swear word. Graphics of this sort quoted from some sick scary dangerous right wingers, is still use of sensational graphics. ”

        Two examples of comma-after-subject-clause error in a row. I must have committed some terrible evils in a previous life to be subjected to such suffering in this one.

      • yonah fredman
        December 4, 2014, 9:17 pm

        mooser- explain to me again,
        how it is
        that one
        should not consider you a bully?

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2014, 11:06 pm

        “how it is
        that one
        should not consider you a bully?”

        Oh, no, are you going to start whining again? You’re going to start with the poor little Yonah, crap? Anyone who in any way questions the convoluted circumambulation, and libelous insinuations you serve up is a bully?
        You are not ashamed to do that? To go from dishing it out to whining about bullies? Okay Yonah, whatever.

  39. SQ Debris
    December 2, 2014, 8:38 pm

    The title of this post is kinda crazy. The wacky idea that Europeans could go boot the natives off their land in the Eastern Mediteranean, and make it stick in the 20th century, was bonkers from the git-go. What’s happening now is the logical evolution of that pathology; the typical progression of the settler/colonial disease. Before long they’ll start sacrificing each other on the alter of their One True State. How long before Rabin was murdered was he portrayed as a Nazi?

    • Mooser
      December 4, 2014, 11:02 am

      “What’s happening now is the logical evolution of that pathology; the typical progression of the settler/colonial disease.”

      Didn’t you ever hear the one about the young Zionist who rushes in to tell everybody: “I have good news, and I have bad new!”

      They ask him “What’s the good news?” and he says: “The UN has made Israel a State!” Much cheering and “Good Young Tough all around, and then they ask: “Well, what’s the bad new for Israel”?
      And he says: “They also passed the Geneva Conventions”

  40. just
    December 3, 2014, 4:48 am

    “The Military Police only opened an investigation into complaints by two Givati Brigade soldiers that their commander had sexually molested them on Tuesday, even though the incident occurred months ago. The investigation was launched after the complaint was publicized by Israel Radio on Monday.

    The two combat soldiers complained that they had suffered sexual harassment and molestation by their immediate superior that included touching of their genitals. The soldiers said they reported what happened to the brigade’s entire command hierarchy – the company commander, the battalion commander and eventually the brigade commander. But apparently the brigade decided to keep the matter quiet, and the Military Police were not called in to investigate until yesterday.

    As part of the Israel Radio report, a military official said the soldiers had said the commander had only harassed them verbally, without reporting physical contact. But the soldiers claim otherwise, adding that brigade commander Col. Ofer Winter had promised them that he “had resolved their problem,” and that the officer would not remain in the Israel Defense Forces as the result of their complaint.

    In an interview broadcast Monday evening on Channel 1, one of the soldiers recalled his shock when the offending officer committed the act. “I simply froze, I didn’t know how to respond,” he said. “This is someone who I tremendously admired. He was a figure I regarded as a god. When it happens you don’t react. You simply freeze. You go into shock. It was only after three months that I realized how significant it was.

    “The brigade commander told us, ‘I’ve resolved your problem. That officer is no longer in the IDF.’ But after a week I was walking on the base and I saw him right in front of me,” the soldier said.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.629662

    • Mooser
      December 3, 2014, 10:51 am

      “just”, there’s no getting away from it, the IDF is a modern military force, an army.

  41. Kathleen
    December 4, 2014, 1:54 pm

    Phil quite the interchange between Chris Matthews and Senator Rand Paul last night (Wednesday). Paul addressed the destructive foreign policy and the results over the last 11 years. Israel was brought up by Chris several times. Inferences that Israel has been pushing the U.S. (something we all ready know). Interesting that Matthews was willing to go so close.

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