United Auto Workers local becomes first major U.S. labor union to endorse BDS

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The following press release was sent out last night by the UAW 2865 Executive Board:

UAW 2865, a labor union representing over 13,000 teaching assistants, tutors, and other student-workers at the University of California, has become the first major U.S. labor union to hold a membership vote responding to the Palestinian civil society call for boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israeli occupation and in solidarity with Palestinian self-determination. The vote passed, with 65% (almost 2/3) of voting members in support. Over 2100 members voted, a testament to union democracy.

The measure calls on
1) the University of California to divest from companies involved in Israeli occupation and apartheid;
2) the UAW International to divest from these same entities;
3) the US government to end military aid to Israel.
4) 53 % of voting members also pledged not to “take part in any research, conferences, events, exchange programs, or other activities that are sponsored by Israeli universities complicit in the occupation of Palestine and the settler-colonial policies of the state of Israel” until such time as these universities take steps to end complicity with dispossession, occupation, and apartheid.

1136 members pledged to observe the academic boycott, a reflection of the ways student laborers are taking concrete actions to practice solidarity.

“This is a decisive victory for justice for Palestinians. After months of campaigning, we are inspired that so many members participated in this vote and made their voices heard. This is a testament to our membership’s engagement with matters of social justice. This vote was a first step in our commitment to solidarity with Palestinians under occupation and facing discriminatory laws, and we will continue to take steps to make that solidarity concrete as part of our involvement in anti-racist and anti-colonial struggles broadly.” –Kumars Salehi, member

In July, the union’s Joint Council, comprised of 83 elected officers across nine UC campuses, published an open letter outlining support for the Palestinian civil society call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) “against public institutions and corporations that profit from Israeli apartheid and occupation of Palestinians.” This open letter announced it would seek a membership vote on the matter in the coming academic year. The UAW 2865 Joint Council took these steps in response to a call for solidarity from all major Palestinian trade unions, including the Palestinian University Teachers’ Association, The Joint Council’s open letter was followed by four months of internal debate prior to the election and deep engagement by members statewide.

The goal of the non-violent global BDS strategy is that Israel will end land confiscation and human rights violations against Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, recognize rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel as over 50 Israeli laws currently discriminate against them, and respect the right under international law of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.

UAW 2865 joins several labor unions in the United Kingdom and Ireland, UNITE New Zealand, CUPE in Canada, COSATU in South Africa and many dockworker unions around the world. It also joins growing grassroots voices in the U.S. labor movement including rank and file members of the International Longshore Workers’ Union Local 10 that supported community pickets and successfully blocked Israeli ships from unloading goods similar to their historic involvement in the anti-South African apartheid movement, and hundreds of labor organizers who signed onto the Labor for Palestine statement. Within the UAW itself, Local 2865 follows the precedent of Arab-American auto workers in Detroit in 1973 who protested the union’s purchase of Israeli bonds financing the seizure of Palestinian lands. Just as black workers at Polaroid in the U.S. launched a boycott of their company for helping make apartheid passbooks for South Africans, we support workers in other UAW-unionized industries in pressuring their employers to commit to socially responsible business practices so that the illegal occupation of Palestinians comes to an end.

“We are committed to linking student and labor movements in the United States to student and labor movements in other parts of the world, including Palestine. As student-workers fighting the attacks on education here in California as well as the decades-long crackdown on labor in the U.S. generally, we know that international labor solidarity makes us stronger and we support Palestinian students, workers and broader society in their decades-long struggle against dispossession, occupation and apartheid.” –Loubna Qutami, member

The mostly graduate student worker union joins the undergraduate student governments of UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Riverside, UC Irvine, and UCLA which have passed resolutions in support of divestment.

We are immensely grateful for the tremendous support from numerous individuals and organizations, including letters of support from over 700 supporters from Jewish communitiesfeminist and queer workers linking the campaign to repression against Palestinian-American feminist activist Rasmea Odeh, among letters from many other groups which were posted on a Facebook page in support of the measure.

For more information, please visit uaw2865.org.

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  1. pabelmont
    December 11, 2014, 12:49 pm

    What beautiful news! Go UAW!

  2. JeffB
    December 11, 2014, 4:43 pm

    Wow. I helped form that union back during its struggle with the administration. We were interested in graduate students having safe health insurance and limits on RA workloads being observed and medical students not being worked to the point they were too tired to properly care for patients. But mostly we fought for the idea that all people should have rights. Not once was there ever a suggestion that black TAs, or Jewish TAs or muslims TAs/RAs should be treated any differently. No one even thought in terms of racial claims to the campus, we were all part of one group. Heck we didn’t even hate the administration that was breaking the law. For an organization that worked for the common better of all to be twisted two decades later into openly embracing the anti-colonial BS that particular races have permanent claims to land, in California a state with nothing but immigrants no less, is so disheartening.

    Well congratulations on your victory. You definitely captured territory with this one. Not much to say other than as someone who helped create 2865 I sure didn’t intend for it to be used for this.

    • Cliff
      December 12, 2014, 8:11 am

      This isn’t about singling out people based on religion.

      This is about Israeli apartheid and colonialism.

    • just
      December 12, 2014, 8:39 am

      Either you believe in justice, or you don’t.

      I’m sorry that you feel sad, JeffB. You sound a little bit like the great people of Jewish faith who rightly stood up for civil rights for all in America. Thanks for helping to create 2865.

      Why don’t you stand up for the civil rights/right to life of the Palestinian people to live in peace and on their land and with dignity and hope?

      • JeffB
        December 12, 2014, 1:58 pm

        @Just

        I’m a moderate. I believe in justice. I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly. UCLA in the mid 1990s wasn’t in one of those situations. We didn’t really want very much and what we wanted at worst would have marginally increased costs. The right to collective bargaining for me was the great moral cause. Our laws our simple: there is a union election, 50% of the people ask for professionals to negotiate their contracts then you have to collectively negotiate the contract. I can see both sides of the coal minors strike in the 1940s, but there weren’t really two equal and conflicting interests when we formed 2865. UC-Regents were just blatantly breaking the law mainly because Pete Wilson’s administration didn’t like unionization under any circumstances.

        Why don’t you stand up for the civil rights/right to life of the Palestinian people to live in peace and on their land and with dignity and hope?

        I do. I fully support the gradual integration of those Palestinian people living in whatever territory Israel governs (whether defacto or de-jure) fully into the Israeli nation and the end of all legal and social discrimination based on ethnicity. I do not at all accept the idea of Israel establishing a permanent ethnocracy. You don’t accept that as supporting civil rights of Palestinians because you have in your head that Israel is incapable of working through social problems the same way other countries have worked through their social problems.

        To pick the UCLA analogy. I supported and performed organizing for pickets. I supported consciousness awareness. I supported striking. And when it went to court several times I support our labor complaints and lawsuits. I wouldn’t have supported assassinating Chancellor Young even though he was the guy giving the orders to UC HR to break the law. I wouldn’t have supported arson or terrorism against the board of regents. The normal means of working through issues were the means we employed. I thought at the time they could work and they did work, though it took some time and I personally never benefited from the fruits of my labor other than the sense of satisfaction.

        I want Israel to handle the Palestinians the way it has handled the class issues between different minority groups in the 1920s, the way it handled racial issues of Mizrahi immigrants, Russian immigrants… Those issues took time. And they took time because they required complex compromises both from the society those people were integrating into and the people being integrated.

        I get that you don’t see that as supporting civil rights. But I do. I support black Americans having full equal rights both as a matter of law and effectual practice. That does mean I support things like more funding for public schools in bad neighborhoods and better public defenders. It does mean I support encouragement for minority owned business. So I’d be happy if the black people of Ferguson vote in the next election and get a city and St. Louis County government that better represents their interests. That doesn’t mean I’m going to support them burning down business.

        That’s where are disagreement really is. It isn’t about supporting civil rights.

        I’ve seen the collapse of the ethnic neighborhoods I grew up with where the children of people who often didn’t speak English can’t even relate the concept of ethnic neighborhoods. Israel has gone through similar successful integrations.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 12, 2014, 2:16 pm

        I’m a moderate….. I believe there are things more important than justice

        lol. shorter jeff: after many many decades i still support israel gradually ending their discrimination against palestinians, just not yet. and notice how i referenced support of “full equal rights” for african americans in this country, but nothing remotely the same for palestinians in israel, because i support civil rights.

      • just
        December 12, 2014, 3:19 pm

        “I’m a moderate. I believe in justice. I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        Jeff~ there’s hardly anything more important than justice. I think it immoderate (worse) to believe otherwise. Why should the Palestinians WAIT to be “integrated”?

      • RoHa
        December 12, 2014, 6:32 pm

        The Zionists rejected integration into a Palestinians state, and so far the Israelis have only seemed to want to destroy or expel the Palestinians. This latest law declaring Israel a Jewish state is a move against integration.

        How long are the Palestinians supposed to wait for the Israelis to develop a sense of justice and decency? What should they do in the meantime?

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 12:56 pm

        “I’m a moderate. I believe in justice. I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        ROTFLMSJAO! That has to rank as one of the all time-stupidest things ever said here. What you just defined yourself as with “I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly” is a fascist.

        But please, tell us, what are the “things more important than justice” which require “societies need to act unjustly”?
        Talk fast, Fritz is barking like crazy.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 13, 2014, 2:16 pm

        What you just defined yourself as…. is a fascist.

        but mooser, fascism is the new “moderate” in israel.

        what’s next? ‘i’m a moderate, i believe in torturing children for our security.’

      • just
        December 13, 2014, 1:01 pm

        Thanks, Mooser & RoHa.

        You said it better than I did.

        Really, though, what if Jeff really does believe that there are things more important than justice? What does it mean that he believes that “often societies need to act unjustly”?

        I’m not sure that this isn’t a widely- held view among people….

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 1:17 pm

        “What does it mean that he believes that “often societies need to act unjustly”?”

        Well, without going into his conceptions of “justly” it sure does indicate he thinks “societies” are the thing which can adjudicate the “need to act unjustly”. And “often”, too.

        Fritz, stop! Poor little guy, he can’t help it, he’s a dachshund.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 1:38 pm

        .” I believe in justice. I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        JeffyB, you’re all smart and stuff, and I’m not. Can you give me an example of “things more important than justice” that make “societies need to act unjustly”?

        Maybe an example from American history, where society “need(s) to act unjustly” because there are “things more important than justice”?

        Fascinating concept, along with making that kind of decision on the level of “societies”. I can’t think of a better way to strive towards justice in our injustice!

      • Bumblebye
        December 13, 2014, 2:10 pm

        “Often” and “need” to act unjustly. So, f’rinstance, Israel “often” (24/7/365) “needs” to act unjustly to maintain its unjust policy of land theft, oppression and slow ethnic cleansing/occupation of Palestine. And then, as gradually as a glacier grows (but not as fast as it can melt!), the remaining Palestinians can be “integrated” (but only on the bottom rungs of society).

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 4:28 pm

        “but mooser, fascism is the new “moderate” in israel.”

        So it is, Annie. I had forgotten. But I don’t think when just ice should sacrificed for “things” more important than justice should be left to “societies”. I think it is a matter for High Society!
        Top hat, white tie, and Bible tales, let’s face the music, and dance.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 4:34 pm

        “I want Israel to handle the Palestinians the way it has handled the class issues between different minority groups in the 1920s, the way it handled racial issues of Mizrahi immigrants, Russian immigrants…”

        Uhh, JeffyB, aren’t you just a little mixed up between Israel solving problems like those (ROTFLMSJAO!!!) and problems Israel has in operating in land outside it’s own territory?

        And oh yes, hasn’t Israel “handled” the Mizrahi and Russians brilliantly!!

        JeffB, I am literally laughing so hard my stomach hurts.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 4:47 pm

        “after many many decades i still support israel gradually ending their discrimination against palestinians”

        Don’t you see? In order to end the discrimination, Israel cannot abandon the occupation!

        Why, if Israel abandons its occupation, Palestinians might discriminate! So obviously, it’s a civil-rights thing! In order to ensure the civil-rights of Palestinians, it is necessary for them to be occupied. Makes perfect sense.

      • RoHa
        December 14, 2014, 5:29 pm

        “I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        But there is not, and never has been, a need for Zionists to act unjustly. The injustice stems from the unjust desires of the Zionists. Injustice is built in to Zionism.

    • eljay
      December 12, 2014, 8:49 am

      >> JeffBeee: Wow. I helped form that union back during its struggle with the administration. … mostly we fought for the idea that all people should have rights. … For an organization that worked for the common better of all to be twisted two decades later into openly embracing the anti-colonial BS …

      All people should have rights…but not necessarily equal rights, which is why JeffBeee has no problem advocating, justifying and defending Jewish supremacism in a supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • Mooser
      December 13, 2014, 12:50 pm

      “Not much to say other than as someone who helped create 2865 I sure didn’t intend for it to be used for this.”

      That makes the story downright delicious, don’t it?

    • Mooser
      December 13, 2014, 1:08 pm

      “For an organization that worked for the common better of all to be twisted two decades later into openly embracing the anti-colonial BS that particular races have permanent claims to land”

      JeffB has, truly,”interrogated the native category!” “the anti-colonial BS that particular races have permanent claims to land” Of course, since modern science informs us that there are not, indeed “particular races” in the world, why shouldn’t a Jewish guy from Minsk have equal claim to Palestine?”

    • Mooser
      December 13, 2014, 1:24 pm

      ” in California a state with nothing but immigrants no less,”

      My Gosh, think of it, coming over the mountains into California, a veritable paradise for human habitation, and completely empty. Not a Native American in sight! C’mon in, immigrants!

      • amigo
        December 15, 2014, 12:41 pm

        “My Gosh, think of it, coming over the mountains into California, a veritable paradise for human habitation, and completely empty. Not a Native American in sight! C’mon in, immigrants! ” Mooser.

        Well here are the California Native American People beginning with C.
        Cabazon Band of Mission Indians
        Cahto people
        Cahuilla Band of Mission Indians of the Cahuilla Reservation
        Cahuilla people
        California Valley Miwok Tribe
        Campo Indian Reservation
        Casson
        Cedarville Rancheria
        Chalon people
        Chemehuevi
        Chemehuevi Indian Tribe of the Chemehuevi Reservation
        Cher-Ae Heights Indian Community of the Trinidad Rancheria
        Chetco people
        Chicken Ranch Rancheria of Me-Wuk Indians of California
        Chilula people
        Chimariko
        Chochenyo people
        Choctaw
        Choinumni
        Chumash people
        Cold Springs Rancheria of Mono Indians of California
        Colorado River Indian Tribes
        Colusa Indian Community
        Confederated Tribes
        Coso people
        Coyote Valley Reservation
        Cupeño people

        The rest can be found at !

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Native_American_tribes_in_California

        Jeffy Boy probably thinks that Zionist yarn about a Land without people for a people without lands was originally about downtrodden pioneers running from persecution in Europe.

        Hell , maybe he believes they were making aliyah .

    • Citizen
      December 13, 2014, 8:05 pm

      Tell us some things that are more important than justice. And what do you think of the Zionist claim that the Jewish people’s claim to land dates from biblical era? That sounds pretty permanent to me.

      • JeffB
        December 14, 2014, 12:18 am

        @Citizen

        Tell us some things that are more important than justice

        Life, health of the population, material progress for the culture, the happiness of the population, adequate resources, preparation for the future, the existence of law, the enforcement of law, protection of property. Reciprocation / justice is obviously important. But starving people would much rather an unjust allocation of food than a just equality in death. And that applies on lesser matters as well.

        And what do you think of the Zionist claim that the Jewish people’s claim to land dates from biblical era?

        I think the whole idea of multigenerational claims to land is mostly destructive nonsense. People have should be citizens and have rights where they are born not where their ancestors once lived. If we were having this argument in 1914 and not 2014 that would be relevant. But in 2014 the vast majority of Jewish people living in Israel are the direct not far off descendants of people who resided in Israel at the time of their birth. So in 2014 the Zionist claim dates from 2013 which dates from 2012…

      • Mooser
        December 14, 2014, 11:57 am

        And Citizen, don’t you love the precision of the phrase “there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        “Societies”? Yes sir, it’s a pleasure to be acted on unjustly, if you know that “societies” make the determination!

        You know, I think we should start calling JeffyB ‘our very own Robespierre’

      • Mooser
        December 14, 2014, 2:48 pm

        ” But in 2014 the vast majority of Jewish people living in Israel are the direct not far off descendants of people who resided in Israel at the time of their birth”

        Oh that’s it, JeffyB, hold those kids hostage. I cannot believe J…,let us say ‘people’ could use children in that way.

        And you are completely wrong about this ‘acquisition’ of rights, too. Don’t confuse what the Israeli colonists are doing with the citizenship acquired when one is born in the US. But wow, more than anything, to use children like that! Say, why didn’t Israel either prevent the settlement activity, or annex the ground the settlers are stealing for the sake of the children?
        My God, to use Jewish children as human shields for Zionist expansionism. Deeply shocking.

    • amigo
      December 14, 2014, 9:09 am

      “But mostly we fought for the idea that all people should have rights.” jeff b

      “Mostly” .

      Hmmmm.

      What happened jeffy boy.Overdosed on ziocaine somewhere along the way???.

      Divested yourself of those idealistic views on justice and equality.

      • just
        December 14, 2014, 9:50 am

        It’s thoroughly explicable.

        It’s Zionism, redux.

    • Mooser
      December 14, 2014, 12:18 pm

      “Wow. I helped form that union back during its struggle with the administration.”

      Cite? Proof? From what I am able to determine, you acted as, at the very least, a stooge for the administration.

  3. just
    December 11, 2014, 4:59 pm

    Super news! yay!

    Lookie here:

    “NEW YORK –A nascent group of well-known academics is calling on the U.S. government and European Union to impose personal sanctions on four prominent Israelis “who lead efforts to insure permanent Israeli occupation of the West Bank and to annex all or parts of it unilaterally in violation of international law.”

    Scholars for Israel and Palestine (SIP) a group that describes itself as “pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, pro-peace” is asking the U.S. and EU governments to impose visa restrictions and to freeze the foreign assets of Economy Minister and Habayit Hayehudi leader Naftali Bennett, Housing Minister Uri Ariel, Likud MK Moshe Feiglin and Ze’ev “Zambish” Hever, a former Jewish Underground member who heads the Amana organization, which oversees the settlement enterprise, including illegal outposts.”

    much, much more @ http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.631336

    • just
      December 11, 2014, 5:02 pm

      oops, forgot to cite this bit from the link.

      “Eric Alterman, Distinguished Professor of English at Brooklyn College, is a Third Narrative member who elected not to sign onto the new call for personal sanctions. “I don’t believe in politics that are purely symbolic,” he told Haaretz. “Some people do, and that’s fine. But I only believe in politics when I can see how what I’m supporting might actually happen.””

      zzzzzzzzz

  4. JeffB
    December 12, 2014, 2:50 pm

    @Annie

    lol. shorter jeff: after many many decades i still support israel gradually ending their discrimination against palestinians, just not yet. and notice how i referenced support of “full equal rights” for african americans in this country, but nothing remotely the same for palestinians in israel, because i support civil rights.

    Or could it be that there really is a difference between Nancy Pelosi and Strom Thurmond? African Americans have legal equality their issue at this point are social barriers to realizing social and economic equality. While in the case of Palestinians their are civil issues which once fixed will still leave behind social and economic issues which would then need to be fixed later. Nah couldn’t be that would hate to assume anything but the worst.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 12, 2014, 3:07 pm

      did you just compare african americans to Nancy Pelosi and palestinians to Strom Thurmond as a justification for not advocating equality for palestinians?? lol, well, how creative! it’s hard to argue with that (snark).

      Nah couldn’t be that would hate to assume anything but the worst.

      i was merely paraphrasing what you wrote. you support israel gradually ending palestinian discrimination, just not yet. or did i get that wrong?

      you referenced support of “full equal rights” for african americans and thus far you’ve written more excuses explanations but still not once referenced full equal rights for palestinians. or did i get that wrong?

      and you said you support civil rights. or did i get that wrong? so i don’t know where you’d get the idea i assume anything other than what you wrote. merely paraphrasing. ;)

      • JeffB
        December 12, 2014, 7:22 pm

        @Annie

        did you just compare african americans to Nancy Pelosi and palestinians to Strom Thurmond as a justification for not advocating equality for palestinians??

        No in the analogy I saying I was rather close to Nancy Pelosi politically while you were accusing me of being Strom Thurmond.

        you referenced support of “full equal rights” for african americans and thus far you’ve written more excuses explanations but still not once referenced full equal rights for palestinians. or did i get that wrong?

        You got it wrong. I want those Palestinians who live in Israeli territory to be integrated towards full equal rights. No, exception, nothing held back.

        i was merely paraphrasing what you wrote. you support israel gradually ending palestinian discrimination, just not yet.

        I’d be more sectional about it, but basically right. So for example for Israeli Arabs I’d end housing discrimination immediately. I’d hold a referendum to end the Arab school system and have a unified school system. At the same time immediately drop he racism in Israeli school materials. I’d stop the racism of soft expectations about Israeli Arabs and terrorism. They have the right to equally support whatever resolution they want regarding Gaza. They give material support to Hamas they hang (figuratively). Start maybe 3 years from now where Israeli Arabs have to do 3 service, while Christian Israeli Arabs do the army and if that works in 5 more years move Muslim Israeli Arabs to the military. Not doing service is still one of the biggest reasons Israeli Arabs can’t get jobs.

        Etc…

        Jerusalem I’d stop making the citizenship optional. At the same time I’d end the housing discrimination.

        Basically do what you can as fast the societies allow.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 12, 2014, 9:25 pm

        you were accusing me of being Strom Thurmond.

        lol! you and w.jones should get together. i’d love to read that conversation!

        integrated towards full equal rights. No, exception, nothing held back.

        close, no cigar. you can’t be both. integrating towards “nothing held back” IS holding back. the occupation should end today. like the berlin wall fell. you don’t imprison people for generations delaying them w/negotiations and endless peace talks and get creds for claiming you’re a “nothing held back” kinda guy when you’re very position of “integrating towards” holds them back from being equal in the here and now. you already admitted that here:

        I’d be more sectional about it, but basically right.

        exactly. don’t be a hypocrite. it’s not your job to make people jump thru hoopstoprove their worthy of human rights and full equality. also, i notice you caveat of not addressing all palestinians living in the region. i’m done discussing this w/you.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 12:59 pm

        Annie, as “JeffB” says, above:

        “I believe there are things more important than justice and often societies need to act unjustly.”

        I mean, can he put it any plainer than that?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 13, 2014, 2:11 pm

        mooser, some people just have a way with words. reminds me of that article i read today about the cia outsourcing a supreme court decisions from israel so they could torture people legally! whoops, sorry mr, we now know you didn’t commit the crime but now that you’ve lost your mind (or in some cases your life) we needed to act unjustly for the security of our society. and whoops! habeas corpus sounds good on paper but administrative detention, although unjustly, is on the menu today.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2014, 4:41 pm

        “some people just have a way with words.”

        That’s how you interrogate the natives!

      • Mooser
        December 14, 2014, 12:16 pm

        “i read today about the cia outsourcing a supreme court decisions from israel so they could torture people legally!”

        Doesn’t surprise me. Those right-wingers always blame the Jews first. I’ve come to expect it.

      • Mooser
        December 14, 2014, 2:53 pm

        “Basically do what you can as fast the societies allow.”

        “The societies”…”allow” Oh crap! JeffB, will you stop teasing Fritz! The little guy is simply frantic!

  5. mcohen.
    December 14, 2014, 4:01 am

    annie

    the difference between jeff b and you is simply

    he did it …….and you comment,maybe write something interesting

    doing it is when you learn that no matter what you strive for you will also have to learn compromise now to achieve later

    his comment about “doing unjust ” etc is lessons learnt about the realities of politics and consensus building.i mean take the guy who started the farm workers union in california caesar chavez……..see where it ended up today.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 14, 2014, 4:38 am

      he did what? made some words?

      • mcohen.
        December 14, 2014, 5:52 am

        no no no thats not what he did

        he took out his tape measure and measured the distance between then and now and then made some words ………….unjust is the new just

        you know …like…….. zionism is the new anti semitism

        however i found this article amusing perhaps jeffb could comment

        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/13/ucla-law-professor-learns-ferguson-relatedexam-question-taboo/

      • Mooser
        December 14, 2014, 12:08 pm

        Ah! Here’s another one, ‘mcohen’, who has a way with words. Haven’t you noticed “mcohen’s” moral courage, and refusal to do anything but state his positions in the plainest of language?

      • mcohen.
        December 15, 2014, 7:43 am

        He made some words.

        a farmers prophecy for you my friend

        The wheel shall turn,the earthquake,hills will rise falling towers

      • Mooser
        December 15, 2014, 11:14 am

        “The wheel shall turn,the earthquake,hills will rise falling towers”

        Pisk-Malocheh! Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei “hooray”

      • Mooser
        December 15, 2014, 11:34 pm

        “The wheel shall turn,the earthquake,hills will rise falling towers”

        “mcohen” is, as the saying goes, ‘about three syllables short of a haiku‘.

    • Mooser
      December 14, 2014, 12:14 pm

      “doing it is when you learn that no matter what you strive for you will also have to learn compromise now to achieve later”

      Hey, “mcohen” ! What’s grey, and always carries a trunk? Is it irrelevant?

  6. just
    December 14, 2014, 1:26 pm

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