Media obsesses over ‘free speech’ in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists

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The story of the January 7 2015 storming of the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical French publication with a history of racist, anti-Muslim caricatures, has inundated the Western media. The attack, tragically leaving at least 12 dead, has been touted as a “free speech” issue by the first government in the world to ban pro-Palestinian demonstrations. (This framing has distorted the fact that it was torture at Abu Ghraib and the US war on Iraq that left 100,000s of civilians dead, not cartoons, that radicalized the impoverished shooters, sons of émigrés from Algeria, a country that was a French colony until the end of a bloody war of independence in 1962.)

The subsequent taking of hostages in a Parisian kosher supermarket by an acquaintance of the shooters was an even more despicable act, leading to the deaths of at least four. Both incidents are horrific tragedies, and deserve harsh condemnation.

Yet they have exponentially overshadowed equally tragic recent attacks on journalists. In its November 2012 attack on Gaza, “Operation Pillar of Defense,” the Israeli government admitted that it was targeting journalists. This trend was revisited only months ago in Israel’s summer 2014 assault, “Operation Protective Edge,” an incursion that left 2,310 dead—over 1,500 of whom were civilians, including at least 500 children—and 10,626 wounded.

While the Western media has scrupulously tracked the Charlie Hebdo attack and subsequent hostage crisis for the scantest of updates, and while the calamity dominates discussions on social media—and also while the Fourth Estate ceaselessly speaks of ISIS’ heinous killings of Western journalists—both the press and popular culture continue to ignore August 2014 UN documents that inculpate Israel for engaging in very similar acts of terror.

The Press Emblem Campaign (PEC), a Geneva-based independent non-governmental organization aimed “at strengthening the legal protection and safety of journalists in zones of conflict and civil unrest or in dangerous missions,” carries special consultative UN status, conducting investigations on behalf of the body. In its 28 August report, “90 journalists killed so far in 2014: a new step is required by the UN in order to combat impunity,” it notes that:

Israel and the Occupied Territory of the State of Palestine: in the context of the operation “Protective Edge” launched by the Israeli forces on 8 July 2014 on the Gaza Strip, 15 journalists have been killed (some of them being purposely targeted), many others have been injured because of the shelling of their homes, 16 Palestinian journalists have lost their homes as a result of Israeli bombing and shelling, 8 media outlets have been destroyed, in addition the Israeli army deliberately disturbed the broadcasting of 7 radio and TV stations and websites (l), many journalists have been arrested by the Israeli forces.

(1) Al-Aqsa radio, Sawt Al-Quds radio, Sawat Al-Sha’eb, Filistin Il-Yom TV and website, Al-Ra’ei website

In a more detailed document from the day before, “15 journalists and media workers killed during operation “Protective Edge”: the responsible have to be held accountable,” the PEC and the UN indicate that the houses of 16 journalists that were destroyed in Israeli attacks were “often purposely targeted.”

The report also reveals that, of the eight Gaza media outlets Israel destroyed, five were deliberately bombed. Israeli forces shelled three headquarters of Al-Aqsa TV, where 325 employees worked, and “deliberately disturbed the broadcasting of 7 radio and TV stations and websites, and used these stations to broadcast inciting messages against the Palestinian resistance, as they did in their previous attacks on the Gaza Strip.”

Deliberate Attacks

The PEC states that the “Israeli violations against Palestinian journalists are the most dangerous, life threatening, and the most frequent” and flatly “denounces the harassment against journalists and media workers as well as the smear campaign of the Israeli diplomacy against foreign journalists falsely accused to work for Hamas that leads to a sneaky form of self-censorship.”

Most of the murdered journalists were in their twenties, with ages ranging from 21 to 59. All except for one, an Italian, were Palestinian. The majority worked for local Palestinian media networks, although two Associated Press reporters were killed, including the only foreign reporter killed. Some were wearing vests clearly marked “Press”; others were in media vehicles with “TV” plainly printed on the hood. In one case, a 21-year-old Palestinian photojournalist was taking pictures in the Al-Jineene neighborhood in Rafah when an Israeli drone shot him.

“The large number of targets and the way in which media organizations and journalists have been attacked by” Israeli forces, the UN statement reads, “suggest that a strategy has been finalized at the highest levels of the State of Israel. Targeting non-combatants is itself a war crime that, as such, must not enjoy impunity.”

The PEC concludes calling upon the UN to investigate “the violation of the fundamental freedoms and rights of journalists and media workers, with a particular attention on the violation of the rights of women journalists” and the UN Human Rights Council’s independent, international commission of inquiry “to investigate and identify those responsible for the crimes committed against media outlet, journalists and media workers.”

“Constant Pressures” on Journalists

In a footnote to its report, the PEC draws attention to a French-language Algerian Huffington Post article that went completely ignored by the Western media (all translations mine): “TVE [Spanish Television] Journalist Yolanda Alvarez Attacked by Israel, Spanish Journalists Protest.” The story notes that the “Spanish press is unanimous in supporting Yolanda Alvarez, TVE correspondent in Jerusalem, victim of virulent attacks by the Israeli embassy in Madrid.” It also states that Alvarez’ Twitter page was “full of tweets of support coming from journalists or associations of journalists that spoke of the intimidation and the threats from the Israeli embassy.”

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) divulged that, according “to the testimonies of other journalists and media, the Israeli embassy in Israel maintains an attitude of permanent intimidation of Spanish journalists.” RSF denounced the “constant pressures” Israel put on journalists, and asked that Israel stop using “its diplomats as agents of pressure and propaganda.”

US media networks also pressured their own journalists not to present Israel’s attack in a negative light. NBC went so far as to pull Ayman Mohyeldin from Gaza, a veteran reporter who garnered international praise as one of the only two foreign journalists who had been in Gaza during Israel’s 2008-2009 assault on Gaza, Operation Cast Lead, in which the close US ally barred journalists from entering Gaza as it, in the words of Human Rights Watch, “repeatedly exploded white phosphorus munitions in the air over populated areas, killing and injuring civilians, and damaging civilian structures, including a school, a market, a humanitarian aid warehouse and a hospital.”

Institute for Policy Studies analyst Phyllis Bennis pointed out the irony that, as Israeli tanks rolled into Gaza, NBC “pulled the reporter who has done more than any other to show the human costs of the conflict there.” Because of popular pressure, Mohyeldin was eventually reinstated, yet there were numerous other incidents of the same forms of censorship and pressure occurring.

A Bad Year for Journalists

In its 2014 census on jailed journalists, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) revealed that 2014 was the second-worst year for jailed journalists in 24 years of data collection. Internationally, over 220 journalists are imprisoned, 60% of whom are held on anti-state charges of terrorism or subversion. This comes in a close second to 2012, in which 232 journalists were imprisoned—although the 2014 figure may actually be higher, as the report excludes journalists being detained by nonstate actors such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Violence against journalists, and particularly against journalists in the Middle East, is at record levels. 2014 was one of the most dangerous years for reporters in recent history, with at least 60 deaths, roughly half of which were in the Middle East—although CPJ estimates are conservative, so the actual figures are likely even higher. 2012 to 2014 constitutes the most dangerous period CPJ has on record.

CPJ deputy director Robert Mahoney warned that the “targeting of journalists has been increasing to alarming proportions,” expressing worries that journalists “are now losing the protected observer status that they had, and now they’ve become the story rather than being the witness to the story to some groups.”

Only some of the stories about these persecuted journalists are told, nonetheless. Much of the Western media is speaking of the Charlie Hebdo shooting as a “free speech” issue, yet simultaneously ignoring Israel’s persistent stifling of Palestinian journalists’ right to not just free speech, but to life.

Explicit violent repression of journalists is not new behavior for Israel. In 2008, Israeli forces killed 23-year-old cameraman Fadel Subhi Shana’a. In the same year, Israel arrested award-winning journalist Mohammed Omer and brutally tortured him—a common practice. In 2004, Israeli occupation forces killed 22-year-old journalist Mohammed Abu Halima.

There are countless more instances of such stories; there is a plethora of such tragedies. Yet these tragic stories are not told in the Western media. The countless nameless faces of the now forgotten Palestinian journalists are only nameless and forgotten because they were ignored.

Editor’s Note: The post was slightly updated to reflect the events of January 9, 2015.

About Ben Norton

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  1. pabelmont
    January 9, 2015, 11:37 am

    Ben — great story. Wish it were “out” generally.

  2. Jackdaw
    January 9, 2015, 11:48 am

    The victims aren’t cold in their graves and you’re distracting back to Israel.

    You’re all heart.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      January 9, 2015, 1:06 pm

      How sensitive you are! You must of course have been truly horrified by ‘Bibi’s’ rushing to exploit this tragedy for Israel’s propaganda purposes.

      Weren’t you?

    • Mooser
      January 9, 2015, 1:40 pm

      “You’re all heart.”

      Jackdaw, you’re all fart. But at any rate, thank you for gracing such an awful place with your presence.

    • Giles
      January 9, 2015, 2:17 pm

      I was curious as to whether this free speech at Charlie Hebdo we are hearing so much about also applied to criticism of Jews.

      I did not spend a lot of time but the first thing I found on this was a contributor to that magazine or whatever it is was put on trial for hate speech and inciting something or other for being critical of Jews.

      The old Zionist double standard. We can do or say anything and it is protected — however, you guys can’t say anything we don’t like

      • DaBakr
        January 9, 2015, 5:36 pm

        @gs

        BS. Hebdo is a very left wing satirical publication and there are many instances of offensive, racist and bigoted cartoon portrayals of Jews as well as Jewish Israelis. There was no double standard at c.hebdo. and no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion. your welcome to make some far-fetched comparison to Israel but then it would be you who is resorting to “old” “double standards”

      • Annie Robbins
        January 9, 2015, 5:40 pm

        israel routinely targets palestinians journalists, sometimes for death, sometimes for imprisonment and torture.

      • lysias
        January 9, 2015, 5:57 pm

        DaBakr, I dare you to find a single caricature of a Jew from the last five years of the publication. I would be surprised if you could find a single one.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        January 9, 2015, 6:34 pm

        Dabakr,

        If Charlie is an equal opportunity offender, as you claim, how is it that in 2009 they sacked a journalist for writing a supposedly ‘anti semitic’ article about Nicolas Sarkozy’s son’s upcoming marriage to a Jewish heiress?

        And could you provide recent examples of the ”many instances of offensive, racist and bigoted cartoon portrayals of Jews as well as Jewish Israelis”? Merci.

      • talknic
        January 9, 2015, 8:32 pm

        DaBakr “Hebdo is a very left wing satirical publication and there are many instances of offensive, racist and bigoted cartoon portrayals of Jews as well as Jewish Israelis.”

        Care to point out a derogatory cartoon portrayal of Jews in Hedbo … thx … we’ll wait, we’re used to waiting for lying apologists for Israel

      • talknic
        January 9, 2015, 8:36 pm

        DaBakr
        “no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion”

        Plenty have been slaughtered by Israeli arms while attempting to record proceedings in the West Bank and Gaza and each and every time their deaths have been excused by the likes of yourself

      • bilal a
        January 9, 2015, 9:49 pm

        especially about the Lobby’s child trafficking:

        NRO: Alan Dershowitz’s Curious Denials

        http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/395894/alan-dershowitzs-curious-denials-ed-whelan

        Houseman who cleaned pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s sex toys and feared he would make him ‘disappear’ takes billionaire’s secrets to the grave after he died just last week
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897939/Houseman-cleaned-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-sex-toys-feared-billionaire-make-disappear-takes-secrets-grave.html

      • L A Idies
        January 9, 2015, 11:42 pm

        No free speech against Israel…The US and Israel are putting sanctions on Palestine for seeking justice for Israel’s war crimes in Gaza ans West Bank. All the EU countries that are having terror attacks are the ones that backed Palestine

      • talknic
        January 10, 2015, 3:41 am

        HEY! DaBakr !! You there???

        Gone again. Perhaps I should have asked an easier question … can anyone think of one?

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 10, 2015, 4:54 am

        RE: “no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion” ~ DaBakr

        MY COMMENT: There was once a death threat on the Jewish Defence League’s website.

        FROM WIKIPEDIA (Siné):

        [EXCERPTS] Maurice Sinet (born 31 December 1928), known as Siné, is a French cartoonist. . .
        . . . His article and cartoons in the magazine Charlie Hebdo relating to Jean Sarkozy’s marriage to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress, touched off a controversy, after journalist Claude Askolovitch described them as anti-Semitic.
        [3] The magazine’s editor, Philippe Val, ordered Siné to write a letter of apology or face termination. The cartoonist said he would rather “cut his own balls off”, and was promptly fired.[4] Both sides subsequently filed lawsuits, and in December 2010, Siné won a 40,000-euro court judgment against his former publisher for wrongful termination.[5]
        Maurice Sinet also reported a death threat posted on a site run by the Jewish Defence League. The text said “20 centimeters of stainless steel in the gut, that should teach the bastard to stop and think”.[6]

        SOURCE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin%C3%A9

        P.S. Take a look at this cartoon on a Charlie Hebdo cover celebrating the murder of peaceful demonstrators by Egyptian dictator Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.

      • Giles
        January 10, 2015, 9:13 am

        Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of “inciting racial hatred” for a column he wrote last July in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The piece sparked a summer slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine.

        “L’affaire Sine” followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president’s son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: “He’ll go a long way in life, that little lad.”

        A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo’s editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused, exclaiming: “I’d rather cut my balls off.”

        Mr Val’s decision to fire Sine was backed by a group of eminent intellectuals, including the philosopher Bernard-Henry Lévy, but parts of the libertarian Left defended him, citing the right to free speech.

        Sine is the defendant in Tuesday’s court case in Lyon, southern France. The plaintiff is the anti-racism and anti-Semitism group, Licra.

        So much for free speech that Jewish groups don’t like. Racist cartoons against blacks and Muslims? Fully protected free speech. One wise crack about Jews? Off to jail with you.

      • CigarGod
        January 10, 2015, 9:46 am

        Geez, dabakr…way to squander the slight amount of respect i gave you previously…for a thoughtful comment.

      • DaBakr
        January 10, 2015, 3:03 pm

        to all the ‘dares’ and doubtful-I simply did what any of you could have easily done and typed ‘charlie hebdo cartoons offensive to Jews’. there were dozens so I just picked the first one on the list. you seem to believe that anyone with a different mindset then you have must be a liar of some sort. not sure what your problem is with the hebdo mag as its been known for years to insult all religions and political figures and is definitely no ‘pro-Zionist’. so-one guy-you say was fired for something back a while and the details are not entirely clear and it has nothing to do with murdering journalists except in the minds of the most appeasing smarmy and apologetic (hysterical also-it may be added) of the left-and not comrades in arms with charlie hebdo for sure.*

        *hah…i see the first in the list was mw’s all time fav-eldr of zyn. well-it turns out his site is the one that has a single collage of the many anti-Jew cartoons so I wasn’t going to post a bunch of different links as I can barely stand to have to post one but you folks seem to think everybody lies w/o a ‘link’-even though links can lie as well. wouldn’t be surprised if the link here is somehow denied credibility by commenters here-simply due its source. so just look at the cartoons. no need to read the commentary

        http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/01/some-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-that-are.html#.VLGDs1ptKVM

      • Daniel Rich
        January 10, 2015, 9:03 pm

        @ Dabakr,

        Q: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2015/01/some-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-that-are.html#.VLGDs1ptKVM

        R: You obviously do not speak, read or understand the French language.

        You were asked to provide cartoons that offend Jews, not of Jews offending goy.

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 11, 2015, 7:46 am

        RE: “Hebdo is a very left wing satirical publication and there are many instances of offensive, racist and bigoted cartoon portrayals of Jews as well as Jewish Israelis. There was no double standard at c.hebdo. and no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion.” ~ DaBakr

        SEE: “IN SOLIDARITY WITH A FREE PRESS: SOME MORE BLASPHEMOUS CARTOONS, BY GLENN GREENWALD, 9 JAN 2015

        [EXCERPT] . . . When we originally discussed publishing this article to make these points, our intention was to commission two or three cartoonists to create cartoons that mock Judaism and malign sacred figures to Jews the way Charlie Hebdo did to Muslims. But that idea was thwarted by the fact that no mainstream western cartoonist would dare put their name on an anti-Jewish cartoon, even if done for satire purposes, because doing so would instantly and permanently destroy their career, at least. Anti-Islam and anti-Muslim commentary (and cartoons) are a dime a dozen in western media outlets; the taboo that is at least as strong, if not more so, are anti-Jewish images and words. Why aren’t Douthat, Chait, Yglesias and their like-minded free speech crusaders calling for publication of anti-Semitic material in solidarity, or as a means of standing up to this repression? Yes, it’s true that outlets like The New York Times will in rare instances publish such depictions, but only to document hateful bigotry and condemn it – not to publish it in “solidarity” or because it deserves a serious and respectful airing.

        With all due respect to the great cartoonist Ann Telnaes, it is simply not the case that Charlie Hebdo “were equal opportunity offenders.” Like Bill Maher, Sam Harris and other anti-Islam obsessives, mocking Judaism, Jews and/or Israel is something they will rarely (if ever) do. If forced, they can point to rare and isolated cases where they uttered some criticism of Judaism or Jews, but the vast bulk of their attacks are reserved for Islam and Muslims, not Judaism and Jews. Parody, free speech and secular atheism are the pretexts; anti-Muslim messaging is the primary goal and the outcome. And this messaging – this special affection for offensive anti-Islam speech – just so happens to coincide with, to feed, the militaristic foreign policy agenda of their governments and culture.

        To see how true that is, consider the fact that Charlie Hebdo – the “equal opportunity” offenders and defenders of all types of offensive speech – fired one of their writers in 2009 for writing a sentence some said was anti-Semitic (the writer was then charged with a hate crime offense, and won a judgment against the magazine for unfair termination). Does that sound like “equal opportunity” offending?

        Nor is it the case that threatening violence in response to offensive ideas is the exclusive province of extremists claiming to act in the name of Islam. Terrence McNally’s 1998 play “Corpus Christi,” depicting Jesus as gay, was repeatedly cancelled by theaters due to bomb threats. Larry Flynt was paralyzed by an evangelical white supremacist who objected to Hustler‘s pornographic depiction of inter-racial couples. The Dixie Chicks were deluged with death threats and needed massive security after they publicly criticized George Bush for the Iraq War, which finally forced them to apologize out of fear. Violence spurred by Jewish and Christian fanaticism is legion, from abortion doctors being murdered to gay bars being bombed to a 45-year-old brutal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza due in part to the religious belief (common in both the U.S. and Israel) that God decreed they shall own all the land. And that’s all independent of the systematic state violence in the west sustained, at least in part, by religious sectarianism.

        The New York Times‘ David Brooks today claims that anti-Christian bias is so widespread in America – which has never elected a non-Christian president – that “the University of Illinois fired a professor who taught the Roman Catholic view on homosexuality.” He forgot to mention that the very same university just terminated its tenure contract with Professor Steven Salaita over tweets he posted during the Israeli attack on Gaza that the university judged to be excessively vituperative of Jewish leaders, and that the journalist Chris Hedges was just disinvited to speak at the University of Pennsylvania for the Thought Crime of drawing similarities between Israel and ISIS. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 11, 2015, 7:52 am

        RE: “no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion.” ~ DaBakr

        SEE: “Jerusalem: Orthodox riot in protest of chastity squad arrest”, by Neta Sela, Ynet News, 08/26/08
        Haredim burn garbage cans, block streets in protest of arrest of community member suspected of torching store that sells MP4 players. ‘Safeguarding Torah considered a crime in this country of Sodom and Gomorrha,’ they say. 

        [EXCERPT] Ultra-Orthodox Jews rioted in Jerusalem on Monday in protest of the recent arrest of Shmuel Weisfish, a member of the haredi community’s chastity squad who was allegedly involved in the torching of a store selling MP4 players in violation of a ruling of the Orthodox Court of Justice . . .
        . . . Haredim recently distributed pashkevilim (informative ads or posters often plastered in the Jerusalem’s religious neighborhoods) against stores selling MP4 devices, saying “a terrible plague is upon us, claiming victims every day… these sinful devices were banned by all the great rabbis, but are still common in the haredi world… their devilish distributors want nothing more than to drive the people of Israel to sin through movies and other abominations. . . “

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3587654,00.html

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 11, 2015, 8:09 am

        P.S. ALSO SEE: “‘Modesty patrol’ suspected of spilling acid on teenage girl”, By Neta Sela, Ynet News, 06/05/08
        Religious tensions at boiling point in Beitar Illite as 14-year-old girl attacked by member of town’s ‘modesty guard’ 

        [EXCERPTS] A 14-year-old girl from Beitar Illite was taken to the Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusalem after an unknown person spilled acid on her face, legs and stomach, causing light burn wounds.  The act has been attributed to a representative of the so-called ‘modesty guard’ in this town where religious and secular residents are increasingly at bitter odds.
        MDA received the call just before midnight on Wednesday and paramedic Dror Eini who arrived on the scene to treat the girl also managed to calm her down enough so she could explain what had happened.
        Eini told Ynet that “the modesty guards have been threatening her for quite some time.” According to the paramedic the focus of the threats has largely been the victim’s 18-year-old sister and some suspect the attacker mistook the younger girl’s identity for that of her older sister’s. . .
        . . . An ultra-Orthodox teen from Beitar Illite who is in contact with the girl’s family spoke with her sister who described the incident. According to the boy, the attacker stopped the girl and first asked her for directions. Then, after confirming her surname, he spilled a bottle of acid on her. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3552461,00.html

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 11, 2015, 8:13 am

        P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Woman beat, threatened by ‘modesty squad'”, by Aviad Glickman, YnetNews.com, 8/14/08
        Jerusalem woman who left ultra-Orthodox life after her divorce gagged, beaten by group of self-proclaimed ‘chastity guards’

        A 31-year-old Jerusalem woman was cruelly beaten and threatened with death by members of the ‘modesty squad’ who took it upon themselves to interrogate her about her relationships with men, an indictment filed Thursday by the Jerusalem Prosecution reveals.

        According to the indictment, 29-year-old Elhanan Buzaglo and six other men forced their way into the woman’s apartment in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Maalot Dafna several months ago. The Prosecution says that the woman once belonged to the ultra-Orthodox community, but abandoned that life after her divorce in 2005.

        After seizing the woman, the men toppled her to the floor, kicked her repeatedly and then gagged her, warning she would be blinded with mace and stabbed if she dare open her eyes. She was then ‘interrogated’ by Buzaglo and his ilk, as they tried to force her to disclose the identities of men she had been in contact with.

        The group, which also hurled profanities at the woman throughout the ordeal, is also accused of threatening to kill the woman if she did not move from her apartment. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3582713,00.html

      • Mikhael
        January 11, 2015, 7:28 pm

        Giles January 9, 2015, 2:17 pm
        I was curious as to whether this free speech at Charlie Hebdo we are hearing so much about also applied to criticism of Jews….
        The old Zionist double standard. We can do or say anything and it is protected — however, you guys can’t say anything we don’t like

        Giles99B, Charlie Hebdo satirized and mocked Jews, Catholics and Muslims alikeusing vulgar and crass caricatures.

        Some French-Jewish organizations as well as the Catholic Church in France initiated lawsuits against Charlie Hebdo (and lost their suits). Mainstream French-Muslim groups also sued (and lost). But only Muslim fanatics murdered the magazine staff. Anyone offended by satire has the right not to buy or read something that insults their sensibilities. If they want to lose a court case, they can sue too. Most reasonable and moderate Muslims understand this, but a core group of fanatics do not, and some some pinheads like you make excuses for them.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 11:47 am

        “You were asked to provide cartoons that offend Jews, not of Jews offending goy.”

        You mean by referring to them as ‘beasts’? Anyway, I stopped saying “goy” for Lent (and oh, nobody loved the word more than me. I was thrilled when I found out the was a derogatory name for somebody besides us.) and the self-denial has done me good, I believe.

      • Walid
        January 12, 2015, 12:28 pm

        “Anyway, I stopped saying “goy” for Lent… ”

        Mooser, you started depriving yourself too early, the big event starts only on February 18th, the same day Obama will be hosting a world meeting in Washigton to discuss terrorism.

      • SQ Debris
        January 12, 2015, 1:32 pm

        Dabakr (or is it Dabutcher?) writes “no zionist or radical Jew ever firebombed the offices or shot up and murdered journalists for pen , pencil and ink pictures offensive to their religion.” It doesn’t take pictures to bring down murderous zionist reprisal. Alex Odeh made a simple statement on television to the effect that “The PLO is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.” He was blown in half entering his office the next morning. What of Alex’s right to free speech? What of Alex’s right to breath?

      • Mikhael
        January 15, 2015, 9:10 am

        Giles January 10, 2015, 9:13 am

        Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of “inciting racial hatred” …
        Sine is the defendant in Tuesday’s court case in Lyon, southern France. The plaintiff is the anti-racism and anti-Semitism group, Licra….So much for free speech that Jewish groups don’t like. Racist cartoons against blacks and Muslims? Fully protected free speech. One wise crack about Jews? Off to jail with you.

        Giles99B doesn’t know the difference between a criminal trial and a civil suit. Sine was never prosecuted by the French state on criminal charges of anti-Semitism. He was sued in a civil trial, and he successfully defended himself. After he was sacked by his employer following the controversies, he then sued Charlie Hebdo and won a big judgment against them. He also countersued against the person who and won that case too. He was never threatened with imprisonment for his alleged anti-Semitism, and if he lost his cases, he would never have gone “off to jail.” And whether you agree or disagree with lawsuits based on alleged anti-Semitism, one thing no Jewish group civil rights group has done is send two gunmen into a magazine office and slaughter the staff because they were offended. Offended Muslims had the right to sue Charlie Hebdo, or, better yet, just ignore the caricatures.

    • JLewisDickerson
      January 10, 2015, 4:20 am

      RE: “. . .The victims aren’t cold in their graves and you’re distracting back to Israel.” ~ Jackdaw

      MY REPLY: And Dershowitz is already blaming France (and the Palestinians)!

      SEE: “Lawrence O’Donnell and Alan Dershowitz Explode over Whether ‘France Reaped What They Sowed’ ” by Andrew Kirell | mediaite.com | January 9th, 2015

      MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell and Professor Alan Dershowitz came to verbal blows Thursday evening during a conversation about what societal factors are to blame for the terrorist killing of 12 people Wednesday morning at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris.

      Towards the end of their discussion, O’Donnell pivoted to the Paris shootings, mentioning that his guest had earlier appeared on NewsmaxTV for a segment that has been billed online as “Alan Dershowitz: France reaped what they sowed in the Paris attack.”

      Dershowitz denied that is what he said, but O’Donnell confronted him with an actual quotation about France: “They reward every terrorist.” From there, the pair got into a heated argument.

      “It’s a crazy thing to say,” the MSNBC host declared in a clip first flagged by BreitbartTV. “They do not reward every terrorist do you want to say they’ve rewarded a few terrorists? Are you really going to sit here and say they rewarded every terrorist?”

      “Virtually every terrorist who has been convicted and sent to prison in Paris has either gotten out,” the law professor pushed back. “[France] voted for Palestinian statehood for a country that was built on terrorism. They have done everything to avoid joining the fight on terrorism. I feel terrible for these people.”

      That set O’Donnell off further, as he noted that many countries have supported such statehood. “So most countries in the world are Alan Dershowitz bad countries?” he asked.

      Dershowitz replied: “Terrorism is rewarded. Europe is part of the problem. France is part of the problem. I feel terribly sorry for the victims, but France is part of the problem. Maybe this will give them a wake-up call and have them join the war against terrorism rather than becoming part of the problem of facilitating and rewarding terrorism.”

      O’Donnell warned his guest in return: “I will advise you, just for the credibility of your own judgment on anything else you ever say publicly, don’t ever say that France rewards every terrorist.”

      Through the crosstalk and shouting, Dershowitz said, “Sir, I don’t need your advice on this issue,” just before the segment ended due to time constraints. O’Donnell expressed his regret that the law professor had failed to apologize for his statements.

      Watch the clip via YouTube

      SOURCE – http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-and-alan-dershowitz-explode-over-whether-france-reaped-what-they-sowed/

    • justicewillprevail
      January 10, 2015, 10:32 am

      I think it was your glorious leader who immediately tried to exploit the tragedy and shoehorn Israel into it.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    January 9, 2015, 1:17 pm

    RE: “Media obsesses over ‘free speech’ in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists “

    JUSTIN RAIMONDO, ANTIWAR.COM, 1/07/15:

    [EXCERPT] . . . Meanwhile, the War Party has already started making hay, with New York Times columnist Roger Cohen taking to Twitter to proclaim:

    “I am shaking with rage at the attack on Charlie Hebdo. It’s an attack on the free world. The entire free world should respond, ruthlessly.”

    Asked who or what should be the target, Cohen responded:

    “The perpetrators. Their enablers. Their ideologues. Their fellow travelers. Follow the money. Ruthless equals remorseless.”

    Let the craziness begin….

    SOURCE – http://news.antiwar.com/2015/01/07/murdered-french-cartoonist-seems-to-predict-attack/

    • eljay
      January 9, 2015, 1:42 pm

      ” … The entire free world should respond, ruthlessly.” Asked who or what should be the target, Cohen responded: “The perpetrators. Their enablers. Their ideologues. Their fellow travelers. Follow the money. Ruthless equals remorseless.”

      These are words to which Zio-supremacists and their supporters / enablers / ideologues / fellow travelers should pay attention.

      • bilal a
        January 9, 2015, 9:51 pm

        onward christian soldier ( while I hold your coat and profit from the arms sales )

    • JLewisDickerson
      January 9, 2015, 4:50 pm

      P.S. A FEW OF MY IRREVERANT REPLIES TO ROGER COHEN’S TWEETS
      I will never again take Roger Cohen seriously!

      • ritzl
        January 11, 2015, 12:18 pm

        Perfectly mocked, JLD. Nuke-ing all Citröen owners might just be the perfect solution for Cohen. ;)

  4. Walid
    January 9, 2015, 1:34 pm

    You can add to these, the 2 bombings of al-Jazeera’s offices by the US army in Afghanistan and Iraq because it was showing what the American forces were doing in all the gory pictorial details.

  5. Sycamores
    January 9, 2015, 2:08 pm

    interesting piece by Glenn Greenwald

    In Solidarity With a Free Press: Some More Blasphemous Cartoons

    Defending free speech and free press rights, which typically means defending the right to disseminate the very ideas society finds most repellent, has been one of my principal passions for the last 20 years: previously as a lawyer and now as a journalist. So I consider it positive when large numbers of people loudly invoke this principle, as has been happening over the last 48 hours in response to the horrific attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

    Usually, defending free speech rights is much more of a lonely task. For instance, the day before the Paris murders, I wrote an article about multiple cases where Muslims are being prosecuted and even imprisoned by western governments for their online political speech – assaults that have provoked relatively little protest, including from those free speech champions who have been so vocal this week.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/

    • Jenin Younes
      January 9, 2015, 5:23 pm

      thanks for the link to the Greenwald article. I think it’s incredible. He never ceases to amaze me

  6. hophmi
    January 9, 2015, 2:08 pm

    Wonder what Ben has to say today, now that the terrorists took hostages at a kosher supermarket and killed several more people.

    In any event, Ben’s sourcing is ridiculously bad. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 4 journalists were killed during the Gaza War over the summer, not 15. https://cpj.org/killed/mideast/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territory/

    Ben and PEC might understand that if their sources were not radio stations run by Hamas (Al-Aqsa) and Islamic Jihad (Al-Sawt).

    In any event, according to the Press Emblem Campaign Ben cites, 19 journalists were murdered in Syria, 12 in Pakistan, 10 in Iraq, and 9 in Ukraine. I don’t recall the media focusing on these numbers either.

    A radio or TV station is not per se an illegal target if it is used as an instrument of warfare. For instance, radio stations were essential in the perpetration of the Rwandan genocide. Al-Aqsa TV, for instance, has long been an instrument of anti-Jewish incitement.

    Even if everything Ben wrote were accurate, it’s especially instructive that Ben ignores all of the details of what happened here. The terrorists in Paris carefully planned out their attack so that the maximum number of Charlie Hedbo staff would be available to be murdered. Charlie Hedbo’s crime was publishing derogatory cartoons depicting Mohammed, not firing rockets into Israeli civilian areas.

    Again, this kind of knee-jerk anti-Israel cultism hurts the Palestinian cause.

    • Mooser
      January 9, 2015, 4:44 pm

      “Again, this kind of knee-jerk anti-Israel cultism hurts the Palestinian cause.”

      And who better than Hophmi to determine what hurts or helps “the Palestinian cause”?

      Ach, when I think of the number of websites you could be commenting at which would be so much more congenial to your outlook, but instead, you come here to help out those who might even be your adversaries, and have to read all kinds stuff you don’t like into the bargain. Selfless, that’s what I call it. A regular Joan of Arclight, this Hophmi is, and only yesterday you were making disparaging remarks about Phil Weiss’ “personal predilections”.

  7. JeffB
    January 9, 2015, 3:53 pm

    @Ben

    During a war often one of the objectives is to shatter the enemy’s information distribution system so as to establish control over the subject population. That’s war not crime. If Hamas takes out an Israeli command and control center they are doing their job. If Israel takes out Hamas command and control centers they are doing their job.

    This is a dumb analogy. Unless you want to argue that France’s muslim population is at war with its Catholic / secular population.

  8. Kathleen
    January 9, 2015, 3:55 pm

    Such a great piece Ben. Important points. Israel has killed non Muslim journalist also

  9. Kathleen
    January 9, 2015, 3:56 pm

    Prof Cole has several amazing pieces about the Paris killings over at Informed Comment. As is always the case Cole’s pieces are so insightful

  10. zaid
    January 9, 2015, 4:21 pm

    Does anybody remember Naji Al Ali
    the palestinian cartoonist who were assassinated by mosad in london,

    • Bornajoo
      January 9, 2015, 6:24 pm

      Thank you for reminding us zaid. Yes, Mossad assassinated him in London in 1987. He was a political/satirical cartoonist. Israel did exactly what the perpetrators in Paris did

      And here is Netanyahu showing he’s all heart by making immediate political capital out of the murders

      https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/16244-israeli-officials-use-paris-attack-to-target-hamas

    • Mayhem
      January 10, 2015, 6:24 pm

      Yes, Mossad assassinated him in London in 1987

      @zaid, you choose to believe this when there is no definite proof. Naji al-Ali worked in Beirut, Kuwait and finally in London and his deceptively simple (and prolific) drawings targeted Arab governments, Iran, America and Israel. It is just as likely that he was murdered by an Arab who didn’t take a fancy to his depictions. However it is convenient to dump everything on to Mossad – throw enough mud and some of it will stick.

      “Colleagues reported that weeks before his death he was warned not to attack Arafat, then in exile in Tunisia and much criticised for his authoritarian style and lack of accountability. “You must correct your attitude,” he was told in no uncertain terms.

      On June 24 he published a cartoon lampooning the PLO chief and a woman friend – a highly sensitive issue for a leader who always claimed to be “married” to the Palestinian revolution. Less than a month later, he was fighting for his life in a London neurosurgical ward after being shot in the face at point-blank range.

      Shortly afterwards, British police arrested a Palestinian student named Ismail Sowan. He turned out to be a double agent for both the PLO and Mossad, Israel’s intelligence service, and claimed his controllers had been briefed on the plan to kill al-Ali. The affair triggered a furious row between the UK and Israel.

      Sowan was convicted of possessing arms and explosives. The family are convinced to this day that the murder was carried out on Arafat’s orders. But no one was ever charged.”

      Refer http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/10/israelandthepalestinians1

  11. Bandolero
    January 9, 2015, 4:54 pm

    There are much more things regarding Al Qaeda and terror to stiffle free speech what is ignored by the mass media. Who is behind all this wahhabi takfiri terror around the world? Of course, Sadui Arabia is the main power driving the spread of the wahhabi takfiri ideology around the world.

    Jonathan Manthorpe on May 28, 2013 in the Vancouver Sun: Saudi Arabia funding fuels jihadist terror

    And besides Saudi Arabia Qatar funds Al Qaeda, too.

    Steve Clemons on Jun 23 2014 in The Atlantic: ‘Thank God for the Saudis’: ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback

    What are the main international partners of Saudi Arabia? France and Israel. Together with France and Israel the Saudis even try to derail US policy to get more peace in the middle east.

    Consortium News on November 24, 2013: A Saudi-Israeli Defeat on Iran Deal
    Al Monitor on October 4, 2013: The Israeli-Sunni Coalition Against Iran

    Who else supports Al Qaeda? French foreign minister Laurent Fabius, a good friend of Israel, publicly came to the defense of Al Qaeda, saying “Al Qaeda does a good job on the ground.”

    Voltairenet on 13 décembre 2012: Laurent Fabius prend la défense d’Al-Qaida

    And the UN recently found links between Israel and Al Qaeda:

    GlobalResearch/SANA on 14 September 2014: United Nations Reveals Close Links Between Israel and Al Qaeda Affiliated Terrorist Organizations in Syria

    Activist Post on January 7, 2015: New UN Report Highlights Israeli Connection To Syrian Death Squads

    So, what is Israel’s position regarding Al Qaeda?

    Algemeiner on June 4, 2013: Israeli Officials: We’d Prefer Al-Qaeda-Run Syria to an Assad Victory

    Add to this the support of the US government to this French-Israeli-Saudi takfiri terror network.

    NYTimes on March 24, 2013: Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With Aid From C.I.A.

    The covert relationship of the US with takfiri terrorism is decades old. The US even printed and funded with taxpayer money textbooks with Takfiri ideology from Saudi Arabia for schoolchildren to incite children to kill “infidels”

    Washington Post on 22 March 2002: From U.S., the ABC’s of Jihad

    So, the background of the spread of takfiri terror ideology and the Charlie Hebdo attack is all out in the open, but the MSM try to bury the truth deeply.

    • JeffB
      January 10, 2015, 7:15 am

      @Bandolero

      What are the main international partners of Saudi Arabia? France and Israel.

      Don’t be silly. The main partners of Saudi Arabia are the United States and Britain. Until recently the Saudis hated Israel and worked against them. Recently the alliance has strengthened as the Egyptian / Saudi / Israel / Jordian axis developed. But that is recent. The French were far more invested in Ba’ath Iraq and pro-Iran so if anything mild opponents of Saudi Arabia.

      • Bandolero
        January 11, 2015, 1:32 am

        @JeffB

        “What are the main international partners of Saudi Arabia? France and Israel.

        Don’t be silly. The main partners of Saudi Arabia are the United States and Britain. Until recently the Saudis hated Israel and worked against them.”

        That Saudi Arabia and Israel form a political axis is not new while at the same time the Sauds publicly tried to display distance from Israel. That alliance is quite old, take Bandar Bin Sultan as an example who was always on very good terms with the Israel and the Israeli lobby in Washington. Together the US, Britain, the Sauds, Israel and the Israeli lobby in Washington coordinated well for example in regard to Lebanon, as well as in regard to Iran, Nicaragua and so on.

        The component relatively new to this axis is France, where the Israel lobby took power in 2007 when Sarkozy became president. In the course of the Syrian war Israel, the Sauds and the lobby became quite unhappy with the US not willing to bomb Syria and with Britain being blocked by the vote on bombing Syria lost by Cameron in parliament in 2013. What is left now is an axis of Israel, Saudis and France – with backing of the Israel lobby and it’s agents in the US like John McCain and most of Congress.

        Israel has media & lobby power in Western countries, the Sauds have oil and money they don’t need to account for and France has weapons and a blocking vote in UNSC and EU. In the course of the Syrian war that alliance trying to outmanover the US president, Qatar and Turkey became very clear. And even more so it became clear when Hollande blocked the P5+1 deal with Iran on behalf of Israel and the Sauds. I put 2 references to this in my comment, see them here again, this time as links:

        http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/10/israel-gulf-states-sunni-coalition-iran.html

        https://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/24/a-saudi-israeli-defeat-on-iran-deal/

        Their are many more sources which tell about the de facto axis Saudi-Israel-France. A strange alliance, of course, but very real. the weakest component in it seems to be France which is more or less in it because France lacks money and the Sauds have it. Israel and the Sauds on the other hand work hand in glove together driven by their shared aversion against Iran and Iranian influence in the region.

      • Walid
        January 11, 2015, 3:28 am

        “… And even more so it became clear when Hollande blocked the P5+1 deal with Iran on behalf of Israel and the Sauds. ”

        Bandolero, that block of Iran was spearheaded by Laurent Fabius. Pehaps not polite to recall that there are 4 Jewish mnisters in Hollande’s cabinet including Fabius, and these have definite leanings towards Israel. The other thing about France having the bit in its teeth about taking out Assad, is the economic power play it’s conducting to get rich Saudi and Qatari contracts. One such contract that Hollande recently landed was a $3billion Saudi contract to supply Lebanon’s army with light weaponry but light enough that it could never be used defensively against Israel.

      • Bandolero
        January 11, 2015, 3:26 pm

        Walid

        Pehaps not polite to recall that there are 4 Jewish mnisters in Hollande’s cabinet including Fabius, and these have definite leanings towards Israel.

        There is more to that. It’s not an issue of “4 Jewish mnisters in Hollande’s cabinet.” It’s an issue of the presidency. First, of course, Fabius couldn’t have blocked the P5+1 without Hollande’s backing. And, what’s more, Fabius isn’t the commander of the French armed forces. That’s the French president. And ever since Chirac – who opposed the US war for Israel on Iraq – was replaced with Sarkozy, the French presidency puts the French military in the service of Israel.

        When Sarkozy was president France was the first to bomb Libya in 2011. Before, leading advocates of Israel like John McCain and Bernard-Henri Levy advocated bombing Libya. Israel has hidden it’s stance well, but the Israel lobby was undoubtedly a main driving force behind the war on Libya.

        When Hollande was president France was (and is) a leading sponsor of the regime change in Syria. Fabius even criticized Obama in 2012 for outlawing Syria’s Al Qaeda branch Nusra Front as terrorist arguing Al Qaeda “did a good job on the ground” in Syria – his words, a direct quote. See here, footnote 5:

        http://www.mondialisation.ca/syrie-fabius-lavrov-et-les-mensonges-des-medias-francais/5417125?print=1

        But French policy on Syria is finally decided by Hollande, not by Fabius. And Hollande had French fighter jets already on the tarnac in September 2013 to be the first to bomb Syria’s government – a move very much desired by Israel and Saudi Arabia. That Hollande didn’t bomb Syria was only a consequence of Obama’s last-minute surprise decision to seek congress support for bombing Syria, and Hollande knew without the U.S. French military is too weak to be decisive against Syria’s army.

        The Saudis provide financial support for France (investment, weapon procurements, etc) in return for French staunch support for the Israeli-Saudi axis against Iran and Iranian influence in the middle east.

      • seafoid
        January 11, 2015, 3:29 pm

        Bandolero

        I think ISIS is an austerity war. Everyone needs it other than the civilians involved.

  12. OyVey00
    January 9, 2015, 5:38 pm

    Why was the kosher hostage-taking “even more despicable”?

  13. Les
    January 9, 2015, 5:48 pm

    If the US actually believed in free speech, would Chelsea Manning be in jail for 30 years for revealing US war crimes to the American public? Then there are the cases of other whistle blowers and reporters like James Risen.

    • JeffB
      January 9, 2015, 6:15 pm

      Chelsea Manning agreed to handle secret information. Freedom of speech applies to the New York Times which republished that information. Manning was IMHO treated unduly harshly but that’s not really free speech more like civil disobedience.

      • lysias
        January 9, 2015, 6:34 pm

        But freedom of speech ought also to apply to Assange and Wikileaks, wouldn’t you agree?

  14. JeffB
    January 9, 2015, 6:34 pm

    @lysias

    DaBakr, I dare you to find a single caricature of a Jew from the last five years of the publication. I would be surprised if you could find a single one.

    10 seconds of Googling found this montage:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AODOnj8RqvA/VK7gr1qtWpI/AAAAAAAAmhs/0OIa_jrhSvY/s1600/hebdo%2Bjew.png

    • lysias
      January 9, 2015, 10:40 pm

      That looks to me like a caricature of what anti-Semites believe. So it ridicules such caricatures of Jews, if I properly understand it.

      What’s the date of that, by the way?

      • JeffB
        January 10, 2015, 7:07 am

        @lysias

        Well the montage is from a two days ago mostly because of the same claim being made here that Charlie never said anything about Jews. I don’t know when the underlying graphics were from but I think fairly recent. As far as the tone anti-Semitism and anti-Islam are different. Christianity came from Judaism and so uses Judaism as food for its own theology. Islam came from Christianity and so uses Christianity as food. Christian Anti-Judaism is based on the claim that Judaism is the burned out dead husk of a faith that is ineffectual after the Jesus. Christian anti-Islam is based on direct attacks against the veracity of the Quran. That’s not going to be symmetrical because the underlying critique is asymmetrical.

        IMHO the actual point of symmetry where the respective minorities are being attacked in a more serious way is the French regular press. Religious Islam is for the French press a brutal primitive religion incompatible with French secularism. Zionism is for the French press a warlike tribal creed incompatible with the (European) peace of the world. Charlie Hebdo reflected both of those opinions with their cartoons. What the French left wants is for Muslims to treat their faith as a flavoring of French culture (a secular Catholicism) and for French Jews to treat the realization of their messianic hopes after two millennia as something of no political or religious importance.

        The critiques are not the same and some level of conversion is necessary.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 11:52 am

        “Christianity came from Judaism and so uses Judaism as food for its own theology.”

        Except they add pork or shellfish to all the traditional recipes.

  15. JeffB
    January 9, 2015, 6:43 pm

    lysias

    But freedom of speech ought also to apply to Assange and Wikileaks, wouldn’t you agree?

    Yes. But let me now qualify that. The leaks indicate that Assange if he were going to be charged would be charged with a conspiracy to obtain secret documents intended to sabotage America’s foreign policy and endangered lives of American assets. America does have laws regarding indiscriminate publishing that can get intelligence assets killed. That falls under the “fire in a theatre”. My gut is that Justice wouldn’t have a case. The hurdle is going to be too high. Most of the information Assange released was lower security, embarrassing but not likely to get someone killed… But I don’t have access to the context that would let me know one way or another.

    So:
    a) Yes I think Assange has full first amendment protections
    b) I’m 70-30 that Assange didn’t cross over into the criminal, not 99-1 or something.

    • lysias
      January 10, 2015, 2:27 pm

      What right would the U.S. have to prosecute a foreign national working outside the U.S. for conspiring to obtain documents that are classified by the U.S.?

      Would it have been proper for the Soviet Union to prosecute Americans involved in the publishing of the Penkovsky Papers?

      Do you approve of the Iranian fatwa against Salman Rushdie?

  16. JLewisDickerson
    January 10, 2015, 2:03 am

    RE: “Media obsesses over ‘free speech’ in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists”

    SEE/WATCH: Lawrence O’Donnell and Alan Dershowitz Explode over Whether ‘France Reaped What They Sowed’ ~ IamNews, Published on Jan 9, 2015

    MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell and Professor Alan Dershowitz came to verbal blows Thursday evening during a conversation about what societal factors are to blame for the terrorist killing of 12 people Wednesday morning at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris.

    Towards the end of their discussion, O’Donnell pivoted to the Paris shootings, mentioning that his guest had earlier appeared on NewsmaxTV for a segment that has been billed online as “Alan Dershowitz: France reaped what they sowed in the Paris attack.”

    Dershowitz denied that is what he said, but O’Donnell confronted him with an actual quotation about France: “They reward every terrorist.” From there, the pair got into a heated argument.

    “It’s a crazy thing to say,” the MSNBC host declared in a clip first flagged by BreitbartTV. “They do not reward every terrorist do you want to say they’ve rewarded a few terrorists? Are you really going to sit here and say they rewarded every terrorist?”

    “Virtually every terrorist who has been convicted and sent to prison in Paris has either gotten out,” the law professor pushed back. “[France] voted for Palestinian statehood for a country that was built on terrorism. They have done everything to avoid joining the fight on terrorism. I feel terrible for these people.”

    That set O’Donnell off further, as he noted that many countries have supported such statehood. “So most countries in the world are Alan Dershowitz bad countries?” he asked.

    Dershowitz replied: “Terrorism is rewarded. Europe is part of the problem. France is part of the problem. I feel terribly sorry for the victims, but France is part of the problem. Maybe this will give them a wake-up call and have them join the war against terrorism rather than becoming part of the problem of facilitating and rewarding terrorism.”

    O’Donnell warned his guest in return: “I will advise you, just for the credibility of your own judgment on anything else you ever say publicly, don’t ever say that France rewards every terrorist.”

    Through the crosstalk and shouting, Dershowitz said, “Sir, I don’t need your advice on this issue,” just before the segment ended due to time constraints. O’Donnell expressed his regret that the law professor had failed to apologize for his statements.

    SOURCE – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWC-CIqX1Jo

    • JLewisDickerson
      January 10, 2015, 4:10 am
      • Whizdom
        January 10, 2015, 5:14 am

        The Dersh is an idiot. As much as he’d like to take shots at the French for being soft on terror after their UNSC vote in support of a resolution to the Palestine conflict. The French are actively militarily engaging Islamists across Africa, Hollande has vigorously revived the “Francafrique” policy. French Troops in Mali, Cameroon, Gabon, CAR, Chad, Cote d’Ivoire, Djibouti, in the Horn of Africa, across from Yemen, hosts France’s largest overseas, military base and is used for strikes against AQAP.

        Of course they don’t call it “war on Terroir”, it is good old fashioned Euro colonialism. The Islamists want the French military out of Africa, and that is the source of the threat to France.

        The Charlie Hebdo attack was a message to France from the Islamists to get French troops out of Africa. The “FrancAfrique” policy has consequences. This is one. It isn’t about cartoons.

        I am astonished Dersh still has a platform

    • hophmi
      January 10, 2015, 4:24 pm

      Dershowitz is essentially correct. France has been allowing groups like ISIS to ransom its hostages for years, and in past decades, like other European countries, they took an accommodating position toward Arab terrorism, such as the plane hijackers.

      • Shingo
        January 11, 2015, 4:33 pm

        Dershowitz is essentially correct.

        No he is completely wrong.

        I shook my head in disbelief at the claim Palestine was founded on terrorism when it’s Israel that was founded on terror.

        Arguing that France has been allowing groups like ISIS to ransom its hostages is like arguing that the US allowed it’s journalists to be beheaded.

        In fact, how does Dershbag’s argument not suggest that the UD had it coming on 911 and the Boston marathon?

  17. flamestar
    January 10, 2015, 3:36 am

    How absurd, after explaining why it is fair to condemn Israel and not the Arab dictatorships, who do worse, the people here make the same complaint that partisan supporters of Israel do. Even the expression of sorrow for the attack is approximately one sentence and then one is faced is several paragraphs explaining, justifying, and tempering the sorrow. This place has the same feel as Fox News.

    • Mooser
      January 10, 2015, 1:25 pm

      “This place has the same feel as Fox News.”

      Okay, I’ll tell the Moderators to release you, and you can click to some other, less offensive website.

  18. Whizdom
    January 10, 2015, 4:40 am

    Hebdo was forced to fire a staffer, Maurice Sinet, after accusation of anti-semitism. From Wiki:

    His article and cartoons in the magazine Charlie Hebdo relating to Jean Sarkozy’s marriage to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress, touched off a controversy, after journalist Claude Askolovitch described them as anti-Semitic.[3] The magazine’s editor, Philippe Val, ordered Siné to write a letter of apology or face termination. The cartoonist said he would rather “cut his own balls off”, and was promptly fired.[4] Both sides subsequently filed lawsuits, and in December 2010, Siné won a 40,000-euro court judgment against his former publisher for wrongful termination.[5]

    Maurice Sinet also reported a death threat posted on a site run by the Jewish Defence League. The text said “20 centimeters of stainless steel in the gut, that should teach the bastard to stop and think”.[6]

    Sine was a passionate anti-colonialist.

    • Bornajoo
      January 10, 2015, 5:50 am

      @Whizdom
      Sine’s sacking probably saved his life. If the jdl didn’t get him then he would have probably been taken out a couple of days ago if he was still working there

    • oldgeezer
      January 11, 2015, 1:31 am

      So much for freedom of speech. Hebdo the last bastion of free speech against some but not others.

      I am not #charlie.

  19. Whizdom
    January 10, 2015, 1:54 pm

    From July last year, JDL members.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/2-french-jews-jailed-for-assaulting-anti-israel-reporter/

    Two French Jews were sent to prison for placing a bomb in 2012 under the car of an anti-Zionist journalist in Paris

    The two men, identified only by their last names, Bismuth and Benhamou, were sentenced on June 20 by a judge from the Versailles Correctional Tribunal to six months and 10 months in jail respectively, according to Agence Info Libre.

    • bilal a
      January 10, 2015, 10:51 pm

      Judge Probing Red Brigade Accuses Israel of Trying to Destabilize Italy [France in 2015? ]
      January 18, 1982 Jewish Telegraph Agency

      ROME (Jan. 17)

      An Italian judge investigating the Red Brigade has accused Israel of trying to destabilize Italy so that the United States would rely on it more for security in the Mediterranean area.

      According to an interview published in the daily II Messaggerio today. Judge Ferdinando Imposimato claimed that up to about 1978, Italian terrorist groups had been infiltrated by Israel’s secret service. “The plan was intended to reduce Italy to a country racked by civil war so that the U.S. would be forced to depend more on Israel for security in the Mediterranean,” he told the newspaper.

      Imposimato said he learned this from the confessions of jailed terrorists who had turned informers. He said the Red Brigade received support from Libya, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization. According to II Messaggerio, Imposimato is in charge of the investigation into the kidnapping and murder of former Premier Aldo Moro by the Red Brigade in 1978.

      Read more: http://www.jta.org/1982/01/18/archive/judge-probing-red-brigade-accuses-israel-of-trying-to-destabilize-italy#ixzz3OTtqiglE

      • bilal a
        January 10, 2015, 11:02 pm

        John Le carre’s sanitized version : The Little Drummer Girl 1984 TV spot / Klaus Kinski as Mossad running Terror Ops in Europe

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaaKvszYxQ4#t=11

        weird how even in 1984 Israelis use Abu Ghirab torture tactics, at least in Hollywood

      • MRW
        January 13, 2015, 2:19 am

        “weird how even in 1984 Israelis use Abu Ghirab torture tactics, at least in Hollywood”

        Who do you think taught our military and law enforcement officers (and do to this day)? We have those Spartan specialists to thank for the degradation of our values.

        New class coming up in May 2015, one of many offering them: http://www.homelandsecurityssi.com/homeland-security-training-israel

    • oldgeezer
      January 11, 2015, 1:33 am

      @bilal a

      Not that weird. Israel is a torture state and quite expert at it. I suspect they torture Palestinians and children in iron rooms as their moral compass is either nonexistant or pointing due south.

      I doubt even Assad, Ghaddafi or Hussein tortured over 400,000 people. Despicable.

  20. JeffB
    January 11, 2015, 6:37 am

    @Bandelero

    Lebanon (Hezbollah) is Iran. Nicaragua (arms for hostages) was Iran. Saudi Arabia played no part in directly helping even voting. So I’d say that absolutely Israel after the fall of the Shah and Saudi Arabia are part of the same anti-Iranian axis. At the same time the Saudis were definitely part of the 2nd tier anti Israeli axis: Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Tunisia.

    So have they worked together on a limited range of issues: yes
    Were they friendly until recently: no they were quite hostile

    The same way the USA and Iran have worked together on Al Qaeda / ISIL even when the USA was flirting with possible war against Iran.

    • MRW
      January 13, 2015, 2:24 am

      Hunh?

      So I’d say that absolutely Israel after the fall of the Shah and Saudi Arabia are part of the same anti-Iranian axis.

      Were you alive or awake during the 80s? The Iran Contra Affair. It was Israel and Iran.

      • JeffB
        January 13, 2015, 11:04 am

        @MRW

        Read up in the thread. I’m answering a specific point regarding a recent shift with respect to Saudi Arabia, Israel is just a marker for the USA.

        As for your point the anti-Iranian axis in the USA in the 1980s was looking to cultivate moderates for a possible coup. Sure was Israel was part of Reagan’s policy then. When it failed Israel pulled away. That’s not Israel having an Iranian alliance .

  21. Mooser
    January 12, 2015, 11:54 am

    Gosh, aren’t conversations with a “self-declared racist” enlightening.

  22. MRW
    January 13, 2015, 2:28 am

    So what’s going to happen the next time Israel firebombs innocent unarmed civilians in Gaza, the next time Israel wants to scratch its barbarism itch? Are the world leaders going to show up and lock arms in solidarity against it?

  23. traintosiberia
    January 15, 2015, 9:07 pm

    One can lie ,misrepresent ,and parody to produce pain,anger,and to highlight the the condescending western attitude to the belief system of the marginalized ,poor,struggling ,and often inarticulate segments of the piety.
    But its a crime,unacceptable behavior,inappropriate assumption,or ignorance based hatred that should be immediately corrected by removal or kowtowing by the person being accused of sayings things when those are uncomfortable and insensitive to the listener . The problem is that listener belongs to the vetted ,allowed,and exclusive club of history of historical persecution . Even when it is true.

    This shreds the myth of western idea of freedom of speech

    And this is why so


    –Tim Willcox was covering yesterday’s Paris rally for the BBC News channel
    He spoke to participants during a live broadcast from the streets of Paris
    One woman he spoke to expressed fears Jews were being persecuted
    She told him ‘the situation is going back to the days of the 1930s’
    Willcox replied: ‘Many critics though of Israel’s policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well’
    Comments sparked anger and calls for him to resign
    Willcox has apologised for offence caused by ‘poorly phrased question’

    : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906539/Calls-BBC-reporter-resign-told-daughter-Holocaust-survivors-Paris-Palestinians-suffer-hugely-Jewish-hands-well.html#ixzz3OwLmRWRv

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