‘With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France’: Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper

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In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris last week Haaretz published a daring cartoon juxtaposing journalists* killed in Gaza by Israel during the brutal summer slaughter with the journalists killed at the office of the satirical magazine in Paris. This set off a chain reaction which ultimately led to calls for murdering Haaretz journalists after Ronen Shoval, founder of the neo-Zionist and proto-fascist  Im Tirtzu movement, called for an investigation of the newspaper’s editors.

The offending cartoon by Noa Olchowski was published with a series of cartoons Haaretz ran in their Hebrew edition, a project by the site’s graphic designers to pay tribute to Charlie Hebdo cartoonists gunned down at the magazine’s Paris office. Including the hashtags #JeSuisCharlie and #JeSuisGaza it reads (original Hebrew):

10 journalists killed in attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris (top), about 13 journalists killed last summer in attack on Gaza (bottom).

Shoval, who is running in the primary election of the religious Zionist Habayit HayehudiJewish Home” political party called for the investigation “on suspicion of ‘defeatist propaganda’ under Statute 103 of Israel’s penal code” on his Facebook page. Users of the social media site weighed in, Haaretz reported several of the threats:

A raft of death threats came in. “We must do what the terrorists did to them in France, but at Haaretz,” wrote Facebook user Chai Aloni. “Why is there no terror attack at Haaretz?” wrote Moni Ponte.

“Let the terrorists eliminate them,” wrote Daniella Peretz. “With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France,” wrote Miki Dahan. As Danit Hajaj put it, “They should die.”

“Haaretz is where the terrorists should have gone,” wrote Riki Michael. “Death to traitors,” added Moshe Mehager. “I hope that terrorism reaches Haaretz as well,” wrote Tuval Shalom. “With God’s help, [there will be] a Hamas operation that kills all of you, like the journalists in France,” wrote Ruti Hevroni.

Haaretz’s editorial staff said the cartoons published in the project were a personal gesture by the newspaper’s designers, not the editorial board, and this is how they were presented.

After the recent alarming death threats a spokesperson for Haaretz’s editorial staff had this to say:

“It is astonishing that in the framework of the global debate over freedom of expression and freedom of the press, and at a time when journalists have been killed over the existence of this right, Internet users are demanding that Haaretz completely censor a cartoon whose content they do not like.”

Fan site of "Hamila Ha-Achrona” (“The Last Word”) cartoon captures Im Tirzu caricature of New Israel Fund president Naomi Chazan

Fan site of “Hamila Ha-Achrona” (“The Last Word”) cartoon captures Im Tirzu caricature of New Israel Fund president Naomi Chazan.

Shoval and his Im Tirtzu movement are no strangers to controversial cartoons.

After initiating a smear campaign described as a “witchhunt” against New Israel Fund’s, Naomi Chazan depicting her wearing a horn, a popular fan site for an Army Radio talk show published Im Tirtzu’s caricature of Chazan as the devil being stabbed by Herzl himself.

Im Tirtzu blamed Chazen and NIF for the results of the Goldstone report and the ensuing “deligitimization” of Israel after Operation Cast Lead in 2008: “92 percent of [the] negative references to the IDF in the Goldstone report originating with Israeli sources came from organizations sponsored by NIF [New Israeli Fund].”

* 15 journalists and media workers were killed during operation “Protective Edge,”  the Israeli government deliberately targets and murders journalists.

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  1. Mooser
    January 11, 2015, 4:48 pm

    “Haaretz is where the terrorists should have gone,” wrote Riki Michael. “Death to traitors,” added Moshe Mehager. “I hope that terrorism reaches Haaretz as well,” wrote Tuval Shalom. “With God’s help, [there will be] a Hamas operation that kills all of you, like the journalists in France,” wrote Ruti Hevroni.”

    That old tribal unity just ain’t what it used to be, ain’t what it used to be, those many years ago.

    • Keith
      January 11, 2015, 6:16 pm

      MOOSER- “That old tribal unity just ain’t what it used to be….”

      Sure it is. Groups emphasizing a strong internal cohesion always deal harshly with perceived “traitors.” Groups with a weak tribal cohesion are much more tolerant of dissent.

      • Empiricon
        January 11, 2015, 7:02 pm

        Yep, Zionism/Israel has all the hallmarks of a cult. Those who question the cult are ostracized. link to csj.org

      • Bornajoo
        January 11, 2015, 7:17 pm

        Mooser, not as much as I’ve learned and been entertained by yours! Betwixt thou and I is just great but we’re in big trouble when the rest of them find us!

        Keith. Agreed. I grew up in (but not part of) an orthodox Haredi community in London. There was one case (not the only one) of a local orthodox chap who was caught sexually abusing the 2 young boys of his Jewish neighbour when he was supposed to be baby sitting (had been going on for a while). The parents were persuaded to settle the case in the local Jewish court and not report to the police/authorities. The Jewish court brushed it under the carpet and nothing happened. The parents who were angry and frustrated went to the police. Neighbour was arrested. Okay this happens in every community BUT

        When the rest of of the community found out they reported the case to the police they formed a lynch mob armed with hammers, screwdrivers, chair legs and whatever they could get their hands on. Dozens of them. And if you are thinking they went to the abusers house… Wrong! They gathered outside the house of the parents of the abused boys and wanted to kill them and they nearly did! If it wasn’t for a quick thinking neighbour they would have both been cut to shreds

        The crime? Not the buggery by the neighbour. It was the heinous act of the parents taking the case OUTSIDE of the community. Apparently that was a much more serious crime than the buggery. It was as Keith says, dissent. They were told not to take the matter outside of the community and that was the crime they committed which would have got them lynched. They broke the sacred and strong policy of tribal cohesion.

        I think Shoval sees himself as the leader of the true tribe and would like to make short work of dissenting journalists like Gideon levy

      • Daniel Rich
        January 12, 2015, 4:54 am

        @Bornajoo

        Q: When the rest of of the community found out they reported the case to the police they formed a lynch mob armed with hammers, screwdrivers, chair legs and whatever they could get their hands on.

        R: Cynically, after Leo Frank [the B’nai B’rith President of Atlanta, 1912 to 1914] had been found guilty of sexually assaulting, raping and murdering 13-year-old Mary [Anne] Phagan [murder: April 26, 1913] [verdict: August 25, 1913] and was subsequently murdered by a [Goy] lynch mob [August 17, 1915 in Marietta, GA], the birth of the ADL hovered just over the horizon.

        The Leo Frank Case Research Library has more on this case, although you might find some of the pictures gruesome or their angle biased.

        You can find Leo Frank’s Georgia supreme court case records 1913 -1914 here.

        ADL Info: ‘ADL was founded in 1913 “to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.” Now the nation’s premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.

        ADL builds bridges of communication, understanding and respect among diverse groups, carrying out its mission through a network of 30 Regional and Satellite Offices in the United States and abroad. With an array of educational, legislative, diplomatic, and interfaith initiatives, our office acts as an important resource for the community at-large.’

        Whatever the truth, Leo’s wife refused to be buried next to him.

      • Bornajoo
        January 12, 2015, 3:22 pm

        Thanks Daniel.
        This is fascinating stuff. Reading through it. Thanks for the warning about the gory photos and description. The description of the torture and murder was satanic and horrific

        After a quick search I have already seen lots of stuff claiming he was innocent and was only convicted and lynched due to anti semitism and as you say the legacy of this case was the birth of the ADL.

        After my first skim read, I suppose the revisionist argument goes that surely such a heinous crime couldn’t have been committed by a jew and such an important Jew at that. It must have been the African American (Jim Conley) but they decided to pin it on Frank just for being a jew.

        This was probably a rare occasion where an African American was found not guilty in such a setting back in those days. Either the evidence was overwhelming in favour of the conviction or anti semitism was even more prevalent than racism against African Americans in Atlanta in 1913-15

      • Annie Robbins
        January 12, 2015, 3:04 pm

        bornajoo, i read about a case that fits this description to a T but it happened in some town in upstate ny within the last couple years. and incidents like this are what protect pedophiles in ny, there are many reports about this in the regional press (the site failed messiah reports them).

        it’s weird. i feel sorry for children born into such an insular world that if they are in trouble the options are limited. and i feel sorry for adults who want to be part of the ‘outside’ world and have to virtually accept being completely divorced from their families and everyone they know, just to be who they are. it’s sad. otherwise, i can see the upside of being part of a big community that nurtures the person, but why at such a steep expense?

      • Bornajoo
        January 12, 2015, 3:43 pm

        Annie, it’s an all or nothing situation.
        That ultra orthodox community is still there but even bigger, thriving and growing. It’s basically an inner London area, in the middle of what is today one of the trendiest and hip areas in London

        Yet the community manages to keep themselves completely insulated from the outside world. They do have Internet but it’s specially designed for that community. It only links to websites approved by them. Same as mobile phones, they don’t have TV’s in the house. They have their own schools, school transport, shops. It’s an infrastructure within an infrastructure. And yes they also have their own rabbinical courts. So everything is kept tightly within their communities, including serious legal issues between its own members. It’s a serious offence to take community business outside the community. It will lead to being ostracised

        I’m not sure how long they can keep it up. I thought the new technologies would begin to erode and chip away at the core of the community but it hasn’t happened.

        I did read about some cases in upstate ny that you mentioned

        Mooser’s description of “tribal unity” is a very good description. Its tribalism, not universalism. I think it explains a lot about the mindset

      • Daniel Rich
        January 12, 2015, 5:36 pm

        @ Bornajoo,

        Q: I’m not sure how long they can keep it up. I thought the new technologies would begin to erode and chip away at the core of the community but it hasn’t happened.

        R: If you ever visit NY, be sure to take a ride on the B110. If the Amish are anything to go by [dunno if you Brits have anything similar to relate to], we might be in for the long haul [a very long haul].

        When the Gauber family [unfortunately] met their maker way ahead of schedule, the number of women surrounding the coffin was… 0..

        The concept of ‘we’ versus ‘them’ is universal and widespread one [whether tribal or with nationalistic roots], but I adhere to the ‘us’ doctrine [the unwritten version] as we’re all in the same boat [the one called USS Earth].

        As long as we let ourselves be divided, someone will rule [over us].

      • Keith
        January 12, 2015, 5:38 pm

        BORNAJOO- “Mooser’s description of “tribal unity” is a very good description.”

        Mooser’s reference to “tribal unity” was a tongue-in-cheek effort to ridicule the very notion of Jewish tribalism. He also ridicules the very notion, as expressed by MRW and Danaa link to mondoweiss.net , that many of the Jewish communities during the period of Classical Judaism engaged in voluntary segregation from the surrounding Gentile population. He apparently cannot grasp the notion that the Orthodox Jews are the direct religious decendents of the Classical Jews, and that their lifestyle reflects traditional Jewish life during the Classical period. Mooser can, at times, be hysterically funny, but he can also be quite hostile to even discussing Jewish organization and Jewish power. I think, perhaps, that you misinterpreted his comment

      • seanmcbride
        January 12, 2015, 6:26 pm

        Keith,

        “Mooser can, at times, be hysterically funny, but he can also be quite hostile to even discussing Jewish organization and Jewish power.”

        Mooser seems to believe that there is no such thing as the Jews (and their organizational leadership) and that this non-existent people and special interest group has had nothing to do with Zionism.

        *Real* Jews, supposedly, are like Mooser — impossible to pin down on anything — as slippery as mercury — barely there at all — certainly not accountable for any bad or questionable beliefs, policies or behavior.

        I recall Mooser’s humor as being more clever and subtle at one time than it is now — delivered with a much lighter touch — not so dependent on heavy-handed sarcasm to make its exasperated points to a never-ending stream of his supposedly intellectual and moral inferiors.

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2015, 7:01 pm

        “As long as we let ourselves be divided, someone will rule [over us]. ”

        Isn’t that the point of supporting “identity politics”, ethnic “communities”, and so forth?

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:02 pm

        “Mooser’s reference to “tribal unity” was a tongue-in-cheek effort to ridicule the very notion of Jewish tribalism.”

        First of all: “Dad, I’m serious! I’m really serious!”

        Dismiss tribalism in Judaism? Who could do that? Not me. Weren’t there Twelve Tribes (probably more) to begin with? And by now, hell, hundreds, (maybe thousands?). Yes, there’ is a ton of “tribalism” (to use a word I detest using in that way) in Jewishness and Judaism.

      • Philemon
        January 12, 2015, 8:14 pm

        Keith, Mooser takes a jaundiced view of the very idea of tribal unity, no matter which side it’s coming from.

        I don’t think he’s under any illusions about Jews taking advantage of other Jews, whether under the banner of Zionism or that of getting back that old time religion in Orthodox communities. I’m sure he’s perfectly well aware of the resistance the leadership put up to their people being free from their high, middle, and low justice back when in various places.

        So, I would say, Mooser doesn’t take a hostile stance to the [i]idea[/i] of any Jewish organization having power over whatever, however much he might object to it in practice, but he thinks calling that sort of thing “tribal unity” is a mockery all on its own.

        Obviously, I don’t and can’t speak for Mooser, but I don’t think he’s wrong as I understand him.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:21 pm

        “*Real* Jews, supposedly, are like Mooser — impossible to pin down on anything — as slippery as mercury — barely there at all — certainly not accountable for any bad or questionable beliefs, policies or behavior. -“

        “Seanmcbride” considering how much you know about Jews, why on earth would you need any further information from me? Besides, what chance it would be honest, given my “predilections”?

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:31 pm

        ” that many of the Jewish communities during the period of Classical Judaism engaged in voluntary segregation from the surrounding Gentile population”

        Sure, sure, but I keep on telling you, the vote was this close! And a suspiciously large number of what were probably ballots with “No” votes from Democratic districts were spoiled by spilled chicken-soup. Hey, vote-counters have to eat, too.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:57 pm

        Sorry, I just forget that the present changes the past, and their isn’t much getting around it.
        Yes, I can see how it might appear perfectly reasonable to think that nobody (or hardly anybody) ever did anything to the Jews they didn’t want done. Don’t even know why I bother to contest the point. The present changes the past, and that’s that.

      • Daniel Rich
        January 12, 2015, 11:42 pm

        @ RoHa,

        Q: Isn’t that the point of supporting “identity politics”, ethnic “communities”, and so forth?

        R: Who defines those ‘identity politics’ and who leads the ‘ethnic communities?’ This is not an argument about semantics, RoHa. but based upon how two revolutions have evolved over the past 2 centuries [French Revolutions – all 3 + the American Revolutionary War] and have led us to where we are today.

        I can’t think of a solution to solve this problem besides scaling down to much smaller groups in which the social fabric comes natural, but even such an elucidation tilts heavily towards tribalism [or sectarianism at best].

        @ seanmcbride,

        I don’t understand why your criticism [of Mooser] comes in the form of a comment and is not directly aimed at Mooser himself. Is this because of an old feud between the two of you I’m not aware of?

      • seanmcbride
        January 13, 2015, 10:59 am

        Daniel Rich,

        “I don’t understand why your criticism [of Mooser] comes in the form of a comment and is not directly aimed at Mooser himself. Is this because of an old feud between the two of you I’m not aware of?”

        Mooser and I have had quite a few exchanges about the role of biblical ethno-religious nationalism in driving, energizing, empowering and defining Zionism — I wouldn’t characterize the exchanges as a feud — but we always seem to be talking past one another — failing to dock and communicate.

        I responded to Keith’s comment here because it rang a bell.

        On the subject of tribalism: one must define varieties of tribalism — ethnic, racial, religious, ethno-religious, cultural, etc.

        One can easily measure the degree of tribalism of any particular tribal group — simply count up the number of times leading members of a tribe mention their tribal identity, issues, problems, conflicts, enemies, etc — in the age of Big Data and text mining, a trivial task.

        If I were preoccupied with Irish tribal (Irish ethnic nationalist) issues, you could rightly describe me as an Irish tribalist — but I am not. Most Americans are not ethnic tribalists or ethnic nationalists.

        I see no differences of consequence between white nationalists and Jewish nationalists (Zionists) — all expressions of ethnic nationalism share the same fundamental characteristics.

        I don’t think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 11:48 pm

        “Obviously, I don’t and can’t speak for Mooser, but I don’t think he’s wrong as I understand him.”

        Totally wrong attitude. Please don’t take it. You can speak for me anytime! I think you said it better than I could. Thanks “Philemon”. Much appreciated.

        I also don’t like it the use of the word tribe, because to my mind, it’s also an insult to people who do have tribal identities. Is the word “tribal” ever used about Jews in a positive sense? Never (well, hardly ever.) I’d rather the word didn’t become an epithet.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        January 13, 2015, 6:53 am

        In response to Keith: I’m not sure. The English are (relatively) tolerant but that doesn’t mean they lack internal cohesion. I think intolerance reflects a sense of being under constant threat, which is a form of weakness not strength.

      • Mooser
        January 13, 2015, 2:11 pm

        “Is this because of an old feud between the two of you I’m not aware of?”

        Old? Why, it’s more than old, it’s eternal!

      • Annie Robbins
        January 13, 2015, 2:37 pm

        maybe daniel’s been living under a rock. all one has to do is click on sean’s name and do a search for “mooser.” there’s 3 pages of comments – 2 from the last year alone!

        link to youtube.com

      • Mooser
        January 13, 2015, 5:38 pm

        “there’s 3 pages of comments – 2 from the last year alone!”

        I can’t see why he can’t get it through his head that I will only fail him, or worse. It’s them durn predilections. Oh, the things they make me do! You don’t wanna know.

        Plus, it takes me all day just to read all the friggin e-mails and newsletters from 50 major Jewish organizations. I haven’t got time to answer all of his questions.

      • Daniel Rich
        January 13, 2015, 8:00 pm

        @ seanmcbride,

        Q: I see no differences of consequence between white nationalists and Jewish nationalists (Zionists) — all expressions of ethnic nationalism share the same fundamental characteristics.
        I don’t think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology.

        R: I agree [wholeheartedly].

        Is there a reason why we don’t see Halle Berry in any of Woody Allen’s movies?

        @ Annie

        Q: maybe daniel’s been living under a rock.

        R: My mom taught me to be careful with determining a person’s character based upon words only. She emphasized to include a person’s deeds as well [because the overall picture might get truncated by syllables and punctuation].

        @ Mooser,

        Q: Plus, it takes me all day just to read all the friggin e-mails and newsletters from 50 major Jewish organizations.

        R: My accountant just emailed me to please stop donating this frigging much $$ at the end of each year. He advised me to funnel money toward honest [non-censoring] journalists…, so I told him, “Yeah, I’ll look into the abyss it… I’ll pledge for the time being…”

      • Annie Robbins
        January 13, 2015, 8:12 pm

        daniel, this is a common expression, usually off the cuff and generally but not always pertaining to a topic (ei someone who has not heard of or noticed something very common ) as opposed to a judgement on character. it merely suggested i was surprised since you are here so much you had yet to notice or had not had a chance to follow the sean/mooser interactions or understand the gist of them.

      • Philemon
        January 13, 2015, 8:09 pm

        seanmcbride: “I don’t think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology.”

        Sean, the only problem is that we already know the roots; blood and soil nationalism was an epidemic back in the 19th century. Might as well blame the “English Eighteenth Century Agricultural Revolution” or Darwin. Hell, even something as esoteric as philology scholarship got roped in – it finally got itself unroped – but it just shows you the lengths to which the people infected with the idea would go.

        The bottom line is that a lot of people liked the stupid idea because it confirmed many of their prejudices. Zionism of the variety that spawned Israel is just one of the results, and it owes a lot to historical accident – lots of historical accidents, actually.

        Now, maybe you would like to point out that some strands of Judaism were more susceptible to the infection; fine, they probably were at the time. Nice academic paper in there for ya. And you can go on to write a solid academic history of the corruption and co-option of nominally Jewish organizations with grand-sounding titles. As a sideline, you might want to examine the effects of war-time propaganda on the psyche.

        What Mooser points out, and perhaps that’s part of the reason you are overly concerned with him, Sean, is that the whole idea that this stupid ideology is wholly the result of this barmy religion thing is a core tenet of Islamaphobes who claim that Islam is somehow naturally terrorist in its origin.

        Mind you, I’m not denying that Islamaphobes are on much more tenuous ground given that there are probably at least 1.5 billion Muslims who are not terrorists. Whereas, there are probably at least 4 million Jewish Israelis who believe everything they read in whatever the newspaper is called. The Japanese were like that before WWII: completely propagandized.

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 10:11 am

        Philemon,

        SEAN: “I don’t think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology.”

        PHILEMON: “Sean, the only problem is that we already know the roots; blood and soil nationalism was an epidemic back in the 19th century.”

        European nations abandoned blood and soil nationalism after World War II but Zionists doubled down on it. And contemporary Zionism seems to be more grounded in several thousand years of Torah/Old Testament ideological structures and themes than in 19th century European nationalism.

        Over the last half century, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist leaders have succeeded in erasing all distinctions between between Judaism and Zionism — so, in your opinion, what’s next on the historical agenda regarding these matters?

        Zionism appears to have acquired close to ironclad control over the entire American political system and is driving the West into an apocalyptic war against the entire Muslim world — one probably using WMDs.

        How do progressive anti-Zionists intend to turn this situation around? With BDS? What steps will the Israel lobby take to counter BDS?

        PHILEMON: “Now, maybe you would like to point out that some strands of Judaism were more susceptible to the infection.”

        Some strands? All the most influential branches of Judaism are firmly in the Zionist camp:

        Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations: Member Organizations
        link to conferenceofpresidents.org

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 10:47 am

        Okay, I admit it, Sean has argued me to a standstill! He knows there’s a germ of corruption at the heart of all my arguments, and now that he has left me no choice, I might as well come clean:

        Yes, my wife (the Moosette, natch) and I try to spend a couple of days each late-fall at Quileute Oceanside Resort an enterprise of the Quileute Tribe on the Olympic coast of Washington State..

        Nothin’ but surf, rocks, rain and wind, a small cabin a woodstove. And Dora, of course. No phone, no Internet, no TV. After I get back from La Push, I’m not ready to hear anything bad about tribes.

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 11:00 am

        Mooser,

        All along through these exchanges I have been aware that we agree on the essentials: Zionists do not represents all Jews (religious or secular) and many Jews are not Zionists. (I am currently making this argument with JeffB.)

        The difference in emphasis between us: I am increasingly pessimistic that any political group in the United States (progressive anti-Zionists or otherwise) is going to be able to take on the Israel lobby and win.

        I am one of those people who thought that liberal Zionists were going to succeed in achieving an end to the I/P conflict two decades ago — so much naivete on my part. Frankly, I am weary of the entire topic and often wish never to hear about it again. It’s a black hole that sucks up valuable energy and provides no useful returns — the very definition of neurosis — round and round the hamster wheel.

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 2:03 pm

        Sean
        I’ve been reading your comments for a while now and also the many exchanges between you and Mooser. I think I know where you are coming from but that’s maybe because I was brought up inside/alongside a religious community. My brothers and I were forced (yes forced) to attend religious brainwashing classes with the Chabad community nearly every evening for years. I think what saved us was my mother insisting that we went to a local secular school during the day instead of the local Jewish school (thanks mum …actually make that a million thanks mum). so maybe I can see your point a bit more easily than Mooser as he didn’t grow up in the same sort of community

        However you also say that a couple of decades ago you thought that the liberal Zionists would be able to correct this terrible injustice. Now you realise that this is impossible and you have severe doubts about the impact that anti Zionists and also the BDS movement will really have. I absolutely do not blame you for being pessimistic. I honestly know that feeling. But you frequently mention that unless we deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology nothing will change. That sort of means we have to deconstruct the roots within Judaism that drive the Zionist ideology. Right? Okay…..but I have a question. How long do you think that might take? Do you really think that the Palestinian people can wait for Judaism to deconstruct, then reconstruct and then deconstruct Zionism? I have no idea how one would even start this process or how long this process might take even if it manages to get off the ground in the first place, but a few decades would be the minimum in my opinion. Or do you think it could be much quicker than that? And is this the only solution? No quicker way?

        But isn’t this also saying we need to heal these Jewish Zionists in order to really help those that the Zionists are hurting? The victims cannot be helped before that? They have to wait until this process takes place? Is that the same as allowing a serial killer time to reconsider his actions but while he’s allowed to engage in that healing process we have to accept that he’s probably going to kill a few more victims. But in the end it will be worth it as he will realise he was an evil son of a bitch and will eventually change his ways

        I think I prefer to arrest the serial killer IMMEDIATELY, in order to protect any further innocent victims, lock him up so he can’t do any more harm and then try and rehabilitate him. I do realise this is not possible right now as the serial killer runs around doing whatever he wants with total impunity because he has the protection of the biggest and most powerful bully in the world. And yes I do agree that the serial killer seems to control that big bully and is driving the big bully to smash up everyone he doesn’t like on his behalf.

        I think the only solution is for the big bully to take back control of his own mind or someone has to put that big bully in his place. That’s when the serial killer can be finally stopped

        I’m not very bright so please do let me know if I’ve got that completely wrong. But I just don’t think we have any more time to wait for this deconstruction to happen

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 4:10 pm

        Bornajoo,

        Love your posts — so clear-headed and full of life.

        Clearly, waiting for massive ground-up ideological reform within the religious Jewish world — which may never happen or take decades or centuries — isn’t going to solve the I/P problem — not even slightly. Some kind of effective outside coercion needs to be applied on Israel to persuade it to alter its course.

        But, alas, Israel’s power in American politics is so vast that so far it has been able to fend off this coercion. For as long as the Jewish lobby within the Israel lobby within the United States chooses to exercise its influence to protect Israel, it will probably succeed.

        So I guess what I am saying is that I am **really** pessimistic about witnessing a just and happy solution to the I/P conflict during my lifetime — it may never occur.

        Annie Robbins recently got me thinking about the possibility that perhaps the global BDS movement will succeed in routing around the American government and the Israel lobby and convince Israel to seek a meaningful peace agreement with the Palestinians. I am hoping that she is right.

        But one can also envision Israel waging a successful campaign of black ops against all the key leaders of the global BDS movement — taking down the most important individuals one by one and discouraging others from taking their place.

        Israel may also succeed in getting World War III off the ground between “the West” and the Muslim world — pushing public concern for the I/P conflict to the far margins of consciousness. Look at how much political traction Likud has been able to acquire from just two events — 9/11 and the Charlie Hebdo shooting. It may require only a few more incidents of this type to push Americans and Europeans completely over the edge with regard to unleashing massive genocidal violence on Israel’s enemies (including Palestinians).

        The Republican Party, which now controls the US Congress, is already fired up to rush down the violent path that the Israeli government has constructed for it. Just listen to the words of GOP leaders like Lindsey Graham.

        Meanwhile, if the leaders of mainstream and establishment Judaism came to the conclusion that Israel and Zionism were harming their fundamental and long-term values and interests in a dangerous way, they could in fact turn this entire situation around quite quickly. I think they should be lobbied along these lines — you never know — it might work.

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 6:14 pm

        “Bornajoo,

        Love your posts — so clear-headed and full of life.”

        Thank you

        “Clearly, waiting for massive ground-up ideological reform within the religious Jewish world — which may never happen or take decades or centuries — isn’t going to solve the I/P problem — not even slightly. Some kind of effective outside coercion needs to be applied on Israel to persuade it to alter its course.”

        absolutely agree!

        “But, alas, Israel’s power in American politics is so vast that so far it has been able to fend off this coercion. For as long as the Jewish lobby within the Israel lobby within the United States chooses to exercise its influence to protect Israel, it will probably succeed.”

        Yes, I agree with this too.

        “So I guess what I am saying is that I am **really** pessimistic about witnessing a just and happy solution to the I/P conflict during my lifetime — it may never occur.”

        Guess what…I’m just as pessimistic, it depresses me.

        “Annie Robbins recently got me thinking about the possibility that perhaps the global BDS movement will succeed in routing around the American government and the Israel lobby and convince Israel to seek a meaningful peace agreement with the Palestinians. I am hoping that she is right.”

        Me too!!!!

        “But one can also envision Israel waging a successful campaign of black ops against all the key leaders of the global BDS movement — taking down the most important individuals one by one and discouraging others from taking their place.”

        I think envision might be the wrong word. They are already doing this.

        “Israel may also succeed in getting World War III off the ground between “the West” and the Muslim world — pushing public concern for the I/P conflict to the far margins of consciousness. Look at how much political traction Likud has been able to acquire from just two events — 9/11 and the Charlie Hebdo shooting. It may require only a few more incidents of this type to push Americans and Europeans completely over the edge with regard to unleashing massive genocidal violence on Israel’s enemies (including Palestinians).”

        I (unfortunately) agree with this assessment too. With what is also happening in Ukraine/Russia which was nothing but an attempted US sponsored coup, the overall situation is dire right now, especially after Paris and I do believe we are living in very dangerous times. I have held the belief for some time now that Israel is simply waiting for a cataclysmic event to take place (sponsored, promoted, engineered by them) so that they can expel the remaining Palestinians once and for all. This is a bigger discussion but we agree here

        “The Republican Party, which now controls the US Congress, is already fired up to rush down the violent path that the Israeli government has constructed for it. Just listen to the words of GOP leaders like Lindsey Graham.”

        Agree again (!). Yes I heard Lindsey Graham and others too.

        “Meanwhile, if the leaders of mainstream and establishment Judaism came to the conclusion that Israel and Zionism were harming their fundamental and long-term values and interests in a dangerous way, they could in fact turn this entire situation around quite quickly. I think they should be lobbied along these lines — you never know — it might work”

        Well I cannot disagree with this either. I agree that anything is worth a try of there is a possibility that it could lead to change. Right now the vast majority of those leaders are VERY aligned with Israel. We saw that even while Israel slaughtered 2,200 Palestinians in Gaza live on TV. It’s going to be a very hard argument to formulate. What else can we say to them that hasn’t already been said? It seems that if Israel says that a certain action is necessary they just go along and wholeheartedly support it. They hardly question anything, neither the motive or the consequences. Yes there is a possibility that if (when) it gets down to the very moment where all hell is about to break loose and the consequences of Armageddon suddenly dawn on them, then they might just wake up, but probably too late

        Notice that we agree on nearly everything. There is a lot of arguing and debating for the sake of it on MW and many other sites among goodhearted people with the same common aim; justice for the Palestinian people which they so desperately need.

        The Israeli strategy has been to keep the Palestinian people divided. Sometimes I think we divide and conquer ourselves.

        Maybe one mega umbrella organisation made up of all the good people needs to be formed?

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 9:10 pm

        Bornajoo,

        “I have held the belief for some time now that Israel is simply waiting for a cataclysmic event to take place (sponsored, promoted, engineered by them) so that they can expel the remaining Palestinians once and for all.”

        I’ve thought this for some time also — this strikes me as the endgame that Israel has had in mind from before its creation — and it has a good chance of achieving this goal with the close covert cooperation of neoconservatives, neoliberals and Christian Zionists in the governments of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, etc.

        I agree 100% with all your other points — which were stated with admirable focus and clarity.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 3:50 pm

        “He apparently cannot grasp the notion that the Orthodox Jews are the direct religious decendents of the Classical Jews,”

        That explains it! I must be a descendant of Jazz, pop, and R&B Jews! Jeez, I sure hope so!

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 4:01 pm

        “But you frequently mention that unless we deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology nothing will change.”

        Bornajoo, I fully appreciate “seanmcbride”s analysis of Judaism and Zionism, and I am sure “seanmcbride” has practical programs he could suggest. And of course, given our “predilections” and the rigid control an iron discupline of the Jewish Establishment, we can hardly be expected to reform ourselves, especially when so much is at stake!

        So anything Sean can suggest, (at least for US Jews) which doesn’t run afoul of:

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,…or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

        might be very helpful.

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 4:28 pm

        Mooser,

        “Bornajoo, I fully appreciate “seanmcbride”s analysis of Judaism and Zionism, and I am sure “seanmcbride” has practical programs he could suggest.”

        What I am suggesting is that strong minds within the Jewish community who understand the problematic relations between Judaism and Zionism open up the public conversation with energy — and see if they can move the needle within the Jewish religious establishment (and the Jewish and Israel lobbies). Don’t be shy. Don’t hold back.

        Quite a few progressive anti-Zionists are treating the Jewish religious establishment and mainstream Judaism as a sacred cow — don’t go there, don’t criticize, don’t challenge their political activities in support of the Israeli government and Zionist ideology. I think that is a mistake. That is a point of maximum leverage — try pressing on the lever.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 6:30 pm

        “I am one of those people who thought that liberal Zionists were going to succeed in achieving an end to the I/P conflict two decades ago — so much naivete on my part. Frankly, I am weary of the entire topic and often wish never to hear about it again. It’s a black hole that sucks up valuable energy and provides no useful returns — the very definition of neurosis — round and round the hamster wheel.”

        Sean, I’m so sorry we let you down.
        If it was up to me, pal, it wouldn’t a been that way.
        I’m sorry our “neurosis” (and the very definition of it, to boot!) and “predilections” have wasted so much of your time.
        And I’m sorry for calling you, e-mailing you and begging you to engage me on every thread I comment on, and then wasting your time. I’ll never forgive myself for that, but perhaps you can. And the time-stamps so neatly indict me, too.

        But Sean, try and be fair, I warned you over and over again that my “predilections” and “neuroses” would let you down, didn’t I?
        And the hell of it is, it all goes to prove everything you say Sean- if something is going to be done about the basic, the fundamental the ideological problem, we can’t do it. Even if we wanted to (doubtful), there’s no process. And even if you can get everybody to agree, there’s no enforcement. You’ll have to do it to us, even tho you don’t really owe us any favors..

        So, what did you have in mind, Sean, as correctional measures? How about “often wish never to hear about it again.”? You should work along those lines, and see if things don’t go better for you.

      • Philemon
        January 14, 2015, 9:00 pm

        seanmcbride: “European nations abandoned blood and soil nationalism after World War II but Zionists doubled down on it. And contemporary Zionism seems to be more grounded in several thousand years of Torah/Old Testament ideological structures and themes than in 19th century European nationalism.”

        All that blood and soiled nationalism was supposed to be based on big race movements in the distant past. Eugenics speculated about “breeds” or races who had evolved to thrive in various environments, again in the distant past. Heck, it was even popular with the education theorists. Horace Mann, for example. It was a very attractive idea to lots of people because it confirmed their prejudices. Crank history, pseudo-science and a fair helping of xenophobia, and Bob’s your uncle.

        Yeah, European nations kind of abandoned the eugenics, but there was a lot of vestigial ethnic cleansing going on anyhow. Zionists only “doubled down” because they thought they could get away with it.

        seanmcbride: “Some strands? All the most influential branches of Judaism are firmly in the Zionist camp.”

        Nowadays it might seem so, maybe, although I don’t think they are remotely representative of Jews today, but that wasn’t the case at Zionism’s inception. That is why I think you should do a good scholarly paper to document how those influential organizations got co-opted or corrupted. My guess is that it was more a matter of money than ideology. But I will await your findings.

    • piotr
      January 11, 2015, 7:52 pm

      Tribal unity in good old days:

      “They said, “All right, say ‘Shibboleth.'” If he said, “Sibboleth,” because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites were killed at that time.”

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 2:04 pm

        Well, of course the funny part is this, “piotr”: the word is actually “Shibboless” with an “ess” at the end. But all those guys had a lisp, so…

      • Stephen Shenfield
        January 13, 2015, 6:49 am

        “Tribe” is a technical term in anthropology, like clan, caste, etc. If it applies why not use it? Nowadays tribalism is regarded as passé if not regressive, so it is rarely used in a positive sense, whether in reference to Jews or not.

      • Mooser
        January 13, 2015, 10:35 am

        “Tribe” is a technical term in anthropology, like clan, caste, etc. If it applies why not use it?”

        Well, then, why not go ask an anthropologist, and get an expert opinion, whether or not it applies. First you say it’s a technical term, which is neutral, than you say it it’s regressive. Which is it?

        Well, there it is, Stephen; I’d rather not tar other people as having the same kind of tribalism as us, okay? I think we would have to do a hell of a lot better towards each other before we have the temerity to describe ourselves as a tribe.

      • American
        January 14, 2015, 3:25 pm

        @ Bornajoo January 14, 2015, 2:03 pm

        I’m not very bright so please do let me know if I’ve got that completely wrong – ”
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        You have it 100% right.

    • tree
      January 12, 2015, 4:15 pm

      For anyone wanting to read more on the Leo Frank case, I’d highly recommend Scott Aaron’s site here:

      link to leofrank.info

      My thoughts after reading more about the case is that Frank was most probably guilty, and was lynched because, in the paternalistic South of the early nineteen hundreds, it was an accepted belief by many that a man who molested and killed a (white) child, even if he was a white man, deserved to die. Frank’s sentence was commuted to life by the the outgoing governor of Georgia, and it was widely feared that Frank would “get away with it”. Thus the brutal lynching was not an unexpected possibility, and anti-semitism was not a necessary factor to explain it.

      • Bornajoo
        January 12, 2015, 4:20 pm

        Thanks Tree
        I’m still working through the links that Daniel sent through. I’ll definitely read this stuff too. This is a fascinating case
        My first impression is that I agree with your conclusion

  2. JLewisDickerson
    January 11, 2015, 5:00 pm

    RE: “Shoval…called for the investigation “on suspicion of ‘defeatist propaganda’…” ~ Robbins

    MY COMMENT: That Ronen Shoval is quite the charming lad!

    • Mooser
      January 11, 2015, 5:14 pm

      “Shoval…called for the investigation “on suspicion of ‘defeatist propaganda’…”

      Article 58 for all of them! Anti-Israel activity! Let’s hand out tenners and for the worst of them, nine grams! And it will improve the standing of commissars and cadres among the masses!

      • Daniel Rich
        January 11, 2015, 5:43 pm

        @ Mooser,

        Q: Let’s hand out tenners and for the worst of them, nine grams!

        R: You working on a sequel to ‘Enemy at the Gate?’

      • JLewisDickerson
        January 20, 2015, 6:53 pm

        FROM WIKIPEDIA [Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code)]:

        [EXCERPT] Article 58 of the Russian SFSR Penal Code was put in force on 25 February 1927 to arrest those suspected of counter-revolutionary activities. It was revised several times. In particular, its Article 58-1 was updated by the listed sub-articles and put in force on 8 June 1934.
        This article introduced the formal notion of the enemy of workers: those subject to articles 58-2 — 58-13 (those under 58-1 were “traitors”, 58-14 were “saboteurs”).
        Penal codes of other republics of the Soviet Union also had articles of similar nature. . .

        URBAN DICTIONARY:

        Tenner
        English slang for a ten pound note (£10.00).
        Most commonly used by teenagers.
        1. “Got a tenner I can borrow?”
        2. “I found a tenner inside my coat pocket today!”
        SOURCE – link to urbandictionary.com

        9 grams of lead
        The “final ration from the Soviet State”, the 7.62mm bullet from a Tokarev TT-33 or Mosin-Nagant m1895 Revolver. The bullet weighs nine grams, so to be given nine grams of lead from the Soviet State is to be shot by an officer. This phrase was coined by Soviet soldiers in world war II when failing to carry out your duty or any sign of cowardice meant being shot in the head by your officer or commissar.
        Also has some use today in Ukrainian Mafia circles, where the 7.62x25mm bullet is still used.
        Simonov dropped his rifle in battle, so he was given 9 grams of lead.
        Over 12,500 Soviet soldiers were given 9 grams of lead at Stalingrad.
        SOURCE – link to urbandictionary.com

  3. Bornajoo
    January 11, 2015, 5:06 pm

    Thanks Annie
    It must be very worrying these days for the likes of Gideon levy and Amira Hass and anyone else brave enough to speak the truth and try and talk some sense back into that increasingly sick society. If they don’t get them *legally*using some kind of patriot law, they may even be physically harmed.
    As Mooser says “that old tribal unity just ain’t what it used to be”. I suppose there is always the chance that they will rot and destroy themselves from the inside out. Sooner rather than later please

    • Annie Robbins
      January 11, 2015, 5:20 pm

      the whole story is just amazing isn’t it. you can’t make this stuff up. the idea there are millions marching in paris and the whole world is engaged in this recent massacre while others are calling for another on another publication! the idea another person as radical as Ronen Shoval could be elected to the knesset!

      but the most amazing thing is that this cartoon captures so well my own sentiment when i first heard of this attack, albeit a different time and place than gaza. as i mentioned before i immediately thought of the US attack on al jazerra in both kabul and baghdad. but as i reflected i also thought of all the journalists killed by israel (how could i not?) last summer as well as thinking of all the journalists imprisoned, set up, and tortured by israel. and then i thought of mohammad saba’aneh, my favorite palestinian cartoonist but also one of my favorite cartoonists in the whole world. and just this morning as a matter of fact i was reading another article about him (EI) at an opening of an exhibit about cartoons he began in prison.

      and then i visited haaretz and there was the story. i was just dumbfounded when i saw that cartoon. but to see it along with the threats is so over the top. so over the top. it really cinches the ISIS/JSIL comparison doesn’t it? you can’t make this stuff up.

      • Blownaway
        January 11, 2015, 5:30 pm

        Hmmm if Jews aren’t safe in JSIL then maybe they should emigrate back to Europe? Or maybe the U.S.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2015, 5:53 pm

        i’m sure many more have considered that, it’s no wonder netanyahu is out recruiting.

      • Mayhem
        January 11, 2015, 6:00 pm

        There is a huge huge difference between wishing somebody would die and actually committing a murderous terrorist act.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2015, 6:13 pm

        obviously, and since israel admitted to deliberately targeting journalists, and killed more last summer than were killed at the paris office massacre, we know which side of the divide the zionist regime stands on, regarding actually committing murderous state sponsored terrorist acts.

        as for the threats, likely issued by supporters of that slaughter, also likely supporters of that regime, what more is there you’d like to say in their defense? anything?

      • Blownaway
        January 11, 2015, 6:30 pm

        Mayhem-we all saw what incitement can do we’ve seen it in Israel with the murder of Rabin and the young Abu Keder (sp) in Jerusalem who was burned alive. You really think these are only wishes? Right wing Jews are no different from extremists anywhere and have the same capabilities…if not more since they are all armed.

      • Bornajoo
        January 11, 2015, 6:36 pm

        Annie I think this Shoval nut could eat Al-Baghdadi for breakfast if there was ever a fight for the ISIL/JSIL leadership

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2015, 9:01 pm

        probably Bornajoo. but it wouldn’t be a fair fight. Shoval’s got a state supported by the super power behind him. hm, come to think about that one could say the same for Baghdadi.

      • talknic
        January 11, 2015, 10:01 pm

        @ Mayhem
        “There is a huge huge difference between wishing somebody would die and actually committing a murderous terrorist act”

        Like a single Arab official unofficially wishing to drive Jews into the sea ….. compared to preventing the people of Gaza from fleeing even into the sea as they are being slaughtered by Israeli arms? link to mondoweiss.net

      • Mayhem
        January 12, 2015, 1:48 am

        @Robbins, you keep twisting reality and making things up – you have no sense of perspective.

        killed more last summer than were killed at the paris office massacre

        Seriously, what credibility can you claim for yourself when you make blatantly false assertions like this.

        According to this report from the Committee to Protect Journalists sixteen journalists have been killed in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 1992 – four were killed in the outbreak last summer. 
        link to cpj.org

        Of the four journalists killed one was killed by an unexploded missile that blew up, two were killed in an Israeli bombardment on a market in the Shijaiyah neighborhood (therefore not specifically targeted), one was killed by an Israel shell fired during a day when more than 60 Palestinians and 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in clashes between Israeli and Hamas forces in Shijaiyah.

        These incidents in war-torn Gaza hardly compare to the deliberate cold-blooded murder of defenseless journalists sitting in their office oblivious of the barbaric act that was about to be inflicted upon them.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 12, 2015, 5:13 am

        These incidents in war-torn Gaza hardly compare to the deliberate cold-blooded murder of defenseless journalists

        why? first of all, you are wrong on the numbers (open links at the base of the article and read them). second journalists targeted by israel in “war-torn Gaza” are not less human than the ones in paris. it is not less of a tragedy, an atrocity.

        link to unispal.un.org

        Media outlets attacked

        The IOF destroyed 8 media outlets in the Gaza Strip. 5 of them were targeted deliberately, i.e.: the 3 headquarters of Al-Aqsa TV and satellite channel, the office of Alwataniya Agency for Media, and Al-Jazeera TV premises. 2 media outlets were hit indirectly, the first by the shelling of a nearby building, the second by the bombing of the building inside which the outlet was located.

        Three headquarters of Al-Aqsa TV and satellite channel (where 325 journalists, media workers, programmers and employees work) were shelled, as well as the Alwataniya Agency for Media (where 35 journalists and employees were present). Al-Jazeera TV office was shelled a day after the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs Avigdor Lieberman threatened to close Al-Jazeera office. The destruction of Forsan Al-Hyrriya radio station resulted from the shelling of a nearby house. The shelling of a building where Sawt Al-Watan radio was located caused material damages and injured employees.

        In addition to shelling and destroying media outlets, the Israeli occupation army deliberately disturbed the broadcasting of 7 radio and TV stations and websites, and used these stations to broadcast inciting messages against the Palestinian resistance, as they did in their previous attacks on the Gaza Strip. The following radio stations and websites were targeted: Al-Aqsa radio, Sawt Al-Quds radio, Sawat Al-Sha’eb, Filistin Il-Yom TV and website, Al-Ra’ei website

        The victims of crimes

        9 July Hamed Shehab (Palestinian, aged 30, media worker at 24 Media) hit by an Israeli air strike while driving home on Omar al-Mukhtar street in a car clearly marked as a media vehicle, the word “TV” printed on the front hood of the car;
        10 July Mohammed Smeri (Palestinian, Gaza Now website) killed in an Israeli war jet bombardment on Deir Albalah town, south of the Gaza Strip;
        20 July Khalid Hamad (Palestinian, aged 25, Continue TV Production) was killed during Israeli artillery shelling of the city’s Shujaya (aka Shuja’iyya) residential district while wearing a vest clearly marked “Press”;
        23 July Abdulrahman Ziad Abu Hayyin (Palestinian, aged 28, Al-Kitab TV) killed by an Israeli bomb which destroyed his house in Al-Shajaia neighbourhood in Gaza city, his brother and grandfather were also killed in the attack;
        29 July Baha’ Edeen Gharib (Palestinian, aged 59, Palestine TV) was killed along side with her daughter Ola by a rocket fired from Israeli drone while he was going by car to a hospital to treat his daughter;
        Ezat Abu Duhair (Palestinian, aged 23, Al-Huriya Media Network) died along with four members of his family when his house was shelled by the Israeli Air Force
        30 July Ahed Afif Zaqout (Palestinian, aged 49, Palestine TV) was killed in his apartment during an attack on the Italian tower in Gaza City;
        Rami Rayan (Palestinian, aged 25, Palestinian Network for Press and Media) killed by Israeli shelling when he was reporting on a previous shelling of Shojayah market in Gaza city;
        Sameh Al-Aryan (Palestinian, aged 26, Al-Aqsa TV) killed by Israeli shelling when he was reporting on a previous shelling of Shojayah market in Gaza city;
        31 July Mohammed Majed Daher (Palestinian, aged 27, Al-Resallah weekly newspaper) succumbed to severe injuries suffered in the bombing (without a previous warning) by an Israeli airplane of his three-floor house on Sunday 20 July in Al-Shajaiea neighborhood in Gaza city, in the shelling of his house his daughter Dana whose age is a year and two months, his parents, his brother and his sister were killed;
        1 August Abdullah Nasr Fahjan (Palestinian, aged 21, photo reporter) was taking photos at Al-Falouje street in Al-Jineene neighborhood in Rafah when an Israeli drone targeted him at around 12:20 pm, and he got severe injuries in his head, he died at around 3:00 pm;
        2 August Shadi Hamdi Ayad (Palestinian, aged 24, freelance) was killed following the shelling of Alzaytoun neighborhood in Gaza City by Israeli Forces, his father who was accompanying him was also killed;
        Mohammed Nur al-Din Al-Dairi (Palestinian, aged 26, Palestinian Network for Press and Media) died from a severe wounds he suffered in the head on 30/07/2014, after the shelling of the Shojae’ya market in Gaza City;
        4 August Hamada Khaled Maqqat (Palestinian, aged 24), editing director of the online news site SAJA died when the IDF bombarded his house in Gaza,
        13 August Simone Camilli (Italian, aged 38, Associated Press) and Ali Shehda Abu Afesh (Palestine, Associated Press) died when an unexploded missile believed to have been dropped in an Israeli airstrike blew up as Gaza police engineers were working to neutralize it in the northern town of Beit Lahiya.

      • Laurent Weppe
        January 12, 2015, 3:54 am

        the idea there are millions marching in paris and the whole world is engaged in this recent massacre while others are calling for another on another publication!

        And of course, you get the classic “OUR murderous intents are justified because of THEIR murderous intent!“. Tribal supremacists of all stripes form a de facto coalition of objective allies.

      • seafoid
        January 12, 2015, 8:41 am

        “These incidents in war-torn Gaza hardly compare to the deliberate cold-blooded murder of defenseless journalists ”

        This boils down to the notion that because there is a Jewish state with an army there is no such thing as Jewish terrorism. Everything the IDF does is legit under the fog of Jewish war.
        And that is completely nuts.

        Imagine if Israel could produce an artist as talented as PJ Harvey . Imagine if it had an education system that could encourage someone like her.

        link to youtube.com

    • Mooser
      January 11, 2015, 6:03 pm

      “As Mooser says “that old tribal unity just ain’t what it used to be”.

      Bornajoo, I hope the ol’ tribal unity is in mid-season form and humming along at a good clip betwixt thee and me, of course! I send you my best wishes and I’ve learned so much from your comments.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 10:52 am

        Thanks for the kind reply, Bornajoo! I think we might be cousins.
        Of course, you’ve lived most everywhere, from Zanzibar to Barkley Square, and I have only seen the sites, a Moose can see from Navy Yard City (Bummertown, Washington State) heights!
        I think we’re cousins, identical cousins, and you’ll find we laugh alike, we walk alike, at times we even talk alike — from this you could go nuts, when cousins are two of a kind!

      • Bornajoo
        January 12, 2015, 4:02 pm

        Hey Mooser. We might be identical cousins but I think we also might be the 2 identical black sheep of that bigger family we come from.

        I had to attend a family do a couple of nights ago with my ma and 2 of my bros. Our views are very similar. We promised we would NOT talk politics with the other side of the family (who vastly outnumbered us!). But they started it Mooser! They started talking about Paris and saying that Jews were only safe in Israel! Those hypocrites. Some of them have never even visited but one of them did visit once back in 1986! Funny how they don’t want to go and live there! They’re not so stupid after all

        Good intentions of restraint ended in disaster. They started shouting and we shouted back. There were many more of them. Same arguments, same hasbara, nothing was israels fault, nothing at all. And we were traitors. Big, evil nasty self hating Jewish traitors. If they had the power to sentence us to death they would have just like in the good old tribal days

        I’m so happy to be a little black sheep

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:13 pm

        That doesn’t sound like a fun time Bornajoo, even taken in stride, those kinds of things are distressing.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2015, 8:38 pm

        You know, I’ve only argued a Zionist (mighta been a dualie, too, now I think about it.) to a standstill once in my life. He was a real-estate agent who was trying to sell me on a property-investment scheme, and we got to talking. One of those all tallit all the time type guys. He said we could agree to disagree.

      • Philemon
        January 12, 2015, 8:52 pm

        The occasional family brawl is probably good for the circulation and for opening up the pores.

        And if you know you are in the right, it’s very healthy. Especially if you have a sense of humor.

      • Mooser
        January 13, 2015, 1:59 pm

        “Especially if you have a sense of humor.”

        Humor? I can’t recall too much that’s funny about watching people succumb to Ziocaine Syndrome episodes.
        It’s a little like a walk with Lon Chaney in a moonlit garden. Takes more than a sense of humor to keep them from howling and snapping.

      • Philemon
        January 13, 2015, 6:35 pm

        Oh, but one would have to have a heart of stone not the laugh at the rants of JeffB!

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 10:52 am

        JeffyB may not be exactly a rocket-scientist, but if laughter is the best medicine, he certainly qualifies as a brain surgeon! He cures me completely!

      • catporn
        January 14, 2015, 11:22 am

        A different opinion from the gospel according to hasbara has to be a good thing. Older family members might be immune to seeds of doubt, but younger cousins, nieces, etc. could be fertile ground.
        I’ve got a very strong memory of my uncle talking about the demise of British manufacturing, and how we’d become a service industry, quango’s this, class struggle that. I had no idea what he was talking about, we didn’t discuss politics in our house, but I wanted to know.
        Your family visit to Golders or Hampstead or wherever just might’ve touched someone.

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 1:12 pm

        Catporn

        I would love to believe that I was (to quote Bill Hicks) “planting seeds” but I just don’t think so. The scary part is that the younger ones were even more vitriolic than the older ones. I think if they had their way, the older ones would put the rope around my neck but the younger ones would have insisted on a long and drawn out torture session before they kicked the chair away from under my feet

        The older ones were more in love with this romantic idea of Israel. They haven’t ever read any facts and have just ingested whatever hasbara they were force fed over their lives. Israel is some kind of pet project fantasy to them and any talk against Zionism/Zionist Jews is more of an attack on Jewish unity than anything else. Most of them had only visited Israel once in the 70’s or 80’s and one or two had never been. Funny how they love the Jewish State so much but would never leave their oh so comfortable lives in North London and go and live there!

        For the younger ones it was much more like McCartyhism mixed in with some KKK on steroids. The older ones would never use the same hate filled language as the younger ones (not in that mob I’m discussing in any case). For example the older ones would say something like “well everyone knows that the Arabs would slit our throats the first chance we gave them so we have to do what we are doing”. The younger lot just say “f**%g Arabs, they should be wiped out” and other such charming stuff.

        It’s a good job these compulsory family gatherings are extremely few and far between!

        But you never know, I may have left a seed of doubt there somewhere. Actually there was a nice cat in the corner of the room….

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 4:11 pm

        You know, when I was a kid I didn’t liked being yelled at for how Jewish I wasn’t any more, not one bit more, then I liked being abused for how Jewish I am.

  4. a blah chick
    January 11, 2015, 5:07 pm

    “Defeatist propaganda,” “stab in the back,” “death to traitors.”

    All we need now is for a suspicious fire at the Knesset and the image will be complete.

  5. JLewisDickerson
    January 11, 2015, 5:23 pm

    “‘With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France’: Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper”

    MEANWHILE, OUT ON HASBARA HUSTINGS: “Netanyahu, Lieberman, Bennett All Headed to Paris for Rally”link to ynetnews.com

    • Keith
      January 11, 2015, 6:32 pm

      JLEWISDICKERSON- “Netanyahu, Lieberman, Bennett All Headed to Paris for Rally”

      This is part of the real story. The incredibly disproportionate response to this crime. Lordy, lordy, just sticking to post World War II, France was/is responsible for mountains of corpses in Algeria, Vietnam, Rwanda, etc., compared to which this crime pales in comparison. Yet, here we are. A prelude to serious warmongering and internal repression? Shock Doctrine anyone?

  6. Blownaway
    January 11, 2015, 5:34 pm

    Defeatist propaganda under section 103 blah blah blah? Sounds so facsist…. Where might we have heard that kind of talk before in history?

  7. Daniel Rich
    January 11, 2015, 5:40 pm

    “Whatever you do before you step into the ring, leave your emotions in your locker room.” Avi Shalom [my trainer, back in the day]

    “A raft of death threats came in. “We must do what the terrorists did to them in France, but at Haaretz,” wrote Facebook user Chai Aloni. “Why is there no terror attack at Haaretz?” wrote Moni Ponte.”

    Nuff said.

    • jimby
      January 11, 2015, 8:25 pm

      this is totally unhinged. Don’t these idiots know that it’s not “terrorism” if it’s done by Jews.

  8. Les
    January 11, 2015, 8:32 pm

    Glenn Greenwald shows the cartoons our free speech mavens wouldn’t dream of printing.

    link to firstlook.org

  9. traintosiberia
    January 11, 2015, 9:38 pm

    @ornajoo
    January 11, 2015, 7:17 pm

    Mooser, not as much as I’ve learned and been entertained by yours! ”

    Yes FOX news will have experts denouncing the unmitigated disaster that the immigrant community have brought to the values that “FOX hold so dear ” if it were some swarthy moslems . They would be called the sleeper cells spreading Shariah and abusing the Western societies . They would be latched to the Al Quida .

    • John O
      January 12, 2015, 3:40 am

      They already have. Much amusement here in the UK today after a Faux News “expert” on terrorism said that England’s second city, Birmingham, was off limits to non-Muslims these days. That would explain the enormous German style Christmas market I walked through last month on my way to a concert in Brum.

  10. Kathleen
    January 11, 2015, 10:19 pm

    Incredible program on MSNBC’s Melissa Harris Perry’s about Paris killings. A wide perspective. Incredible guest

  11. Kay24
    January 12, 2015, 12:34 am

    Great article Annie, it shows the hypocrisy of some people. Extremists in Islam going crazy because in their stupid minds people should not draw cartoons of their Prophet and needed to die is one thing, but it seems Judaism has it’s share of mindless violent people too. These messages threatening death because Haaretz put out a cartoon, not insulting the religion, but their government, is equally crazy. There are limits to the zionist intimidation and trying to stifle free speech when it comes to criticizing the brutal acts of their government, and it is time moderate Israelis spoke out against this too. There is no free speech in that “only democracy in the Middle East”, when it come to criticizing their own government, what hypocrites!

    OT but it seems the Beebs cannot take NO for an answer. This may answer some people who wondered why Abbas also went:

    “Hollande asked Netanyahu not to attend Paris memorial march
    Absence sought as part of attempt to keep Israeli-Palestinian conflict out of European show of unity; After Netanyahu insisted on coming, French made it clear Abbas would be invited as well.

    French President Francois Hollande conveyed a message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the weekend asking him not to come to Paris to take part in the march against terror on Sunday, according to an Israeli source who was privy to the contacts between the Elysees Palace and the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem. The fact that this message had been conveyed was first reported by Channel 2.” Haaretz

    Chicken going where he was not wanted.

    • Abierno
      January 12, 2015, 11:03 am

      If you look at the pictures of the march, Abbas was marching next to Merkel who was next to Hollande. Thus, in most of the pictures of the march, he appears to be prominently featured.

      • Walid
        January 13, 2015, 1:59 pm

        Abierno, Arab leaders should not have attended or even sent delegates to represent them because of what the trashy magazine had been publishing about Islam’s most venerated prophet. And sure enough, tomorrow’s first edition will have on its cover, a symbolic prophet holding up a “je suis Charlie” poster.

  12. Saiyuki
    January 12, 2015, 5:45 am

    Well this is an issue that has been part of Israeli society since it came into being. And Israel already killed cartoonist in London in 1987 link to en.wikipedia.org

    • Taxi
      January 13, 2015, 12:32 pm

      Thanks for the reminder, Saiyuki – I was about to mention it but you beat me to it.

      R.I.P. Naji al-Ali, creator of Handala.

      I knew him as a child, he was a friend of my father’s and regularly visited our house – he used to draw dogs and birds and donkeys on paper napkins for me.

      • just
        January 13, 2015, 12:51 pm

        I always knew that I cared for you, Taxi. Many thanks, Saiyuki.

        “Handala was born ten years old, and he will always be ten years old. At that age, I left my homeland, and when he returns, Handala will still be ten, and then he will start growing up. The laws of nature do not apply to him. He is unique. Things will become normal again when the homeland returns.

        I presented him to the poor and named him Handala as a symbol of bitterness. At first, he was a Palestinian child, but his consciousness developed to have a national and then a global and human horizon. He is a simple yet tough child, and this is why people adopted him and felt that he represents their consciousness.””

        link to handala.org

    • amigo
      January 12, 2015, 12:09 pm

      Yeah and he is saying , ” how am I fixed for another term as King of the Jews”.

  13. Brewer
    January 12, 2015, 1:20 pm

    Fascinating article: The Road From Paris to Damascus–and Back Again

    The so-called West doesn’t like freedom of expression. When I began working at Al Jazeera, then investigating Al Qaeda, the Qatari company was violently targeted. When I was at the BBC, we had a source who was trying to tell the world that Tony Blair’s government was deceiving the public about evidence for an invasion of Iraq. The scientist David Kelly was allegedly driven to suicide. Afterwards, millions were made refugees, wounded or killed, in and around Iraq. Journalists who tried to be free to express themselves were driven out. The head of the BBC was removed.

    When The Guardian tried to reveal the Edward Snowden revelations about everyone in Britain being bugged by the secret services, David Cameron sent in the heavies – not to kill editor Alan Rusbridger – but to smash up Guardian computers. Snowden had to flee to Moscow with the aid of Wikileaks. The mass surveillance state had already been used against Wikileaks for having the temerity to believe it was free to expose U.S. military killing of civilians. Thousands more than who died in Paris have been extra-judicially assassinated by President Obama’s drones. There was no place in the Western mainstream media for blame on NATO nations for aiding Israel as it killed and maimed thousands of Palestinian civilians in Gaza over the summer.

    link to counterpunch.org

    • Walid
      January 12, 2015, 2:45 pm

      Brewer, off the 40 or so countries (couldn’t find the list) that participated in the Paris grand bash for the freedom of the press, there was among them reps from Egypt that on the rating of freedom of the press by the Reporters sans frontières ranked 159th on 180 countries rated, Turkey 154th, Russia 148th, Jordan 141st, UAE 118th, Lebanon 109th, Gabon 98th, Israel 96th, USA 46th, Canada 18th, Germny 14th, and so on and so on. What does Reporters sans frontières know about freedom of the press.

      Rating on freedom of the press of all countries:

      link to rsf.org

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2015, 6:15 pm

        Don’t know how Australia made it to 28 on that list. We’ve hardly got any press, and what there is falls under either the Rupert Murdoch World Domination Scheme or the Fairfax Family Squabble.

  14. Pixel
    January 12, 2015, 11:12 pm

    I’m not comfortable with the word [Goy].
    To me, it’s the equivalent of the word [N*****].

    “Pixel, are you serious? What are you, the PC police, a nitpicker, some two-bit street-corner quibbler?”

    I realize my comment is tangential to the over-arching and critical focus of this piece but words matter.

    I believe that any word(s), even those, which only in some contexts, can be considered derogatory, should be avoided at all cost.

    [Goy] is one of those words.

    (At the same time, I do recognize that change is a process not an event. Look how far thing come already.)

    • Pixel
      January 12, 2015, 11:21 pm

      ps: Thanks for this piece, Annie.

    • Mooser
      January 13, 2015, 1:14 pm

      “I’m not comfortable with the word [Goy].”

      If I gave the word up, anybody can. I mean, do you have any conception of how much I treasured a pejorative which can’t be directed at me? It’s the only word of its kind! But no, I decided, it had to go. I don’t need it popping out of my mouth at the wrong moment, when it would not be the Mott’s Juice.

      Of course, my wife sometimes refers to herself as “Mooser’s little shicksa” sometimes. It’s our code for “I have a headache, dear”.

  15. Marnie
    January 13, 2015, 7:38 am

    Of course the hateful, violent comments posted on facebook by these Israeli Jews will face no consequences. Especially since one of them seemed to believe that God would help or provide magical weapons or some such deal, at any rate, like this is some kind of mission from God. I wonder if Netanyahu mentioned that to the French Jews he was trying to guilt into making aliyah. That’d probably be under Bennett’s domain, with all of that “no apologies, no regrets” speech.

    • Mooser
      January 13, 2015, 12:46 pm

      “Especially since one of them seemed to believe that God would help or provide magical weapons or some such deal, at any rate, like this is some kind of mission from God.”

      Marnie, as I hear it, that’s what made Shammai run!

  16. tony greenstein
    January 13, 2015, 12:19 pm

    I’m not sure that the reference to Jewish tribal unity is at all helpful. Im Tirzu’s attack on Ha’aretz journalists owes more to McCarthyism than Jewish solidarity. Shoval’s defence of racism and Zionist colonisation will, of necessity, involve an attack on Jewish dissenters. It was the same in South Africa, Algeria and any settler colonial outpost.

    Western capitalist elites and their satellites in the developing world will always try to stifle free speech but that is different from the millions who marched in France, who were indeed opposed to attacks on basic democratic rights. We saw this divergence with the presence of leaders from Egypt, Turkey and of course Israel, all of whom lock up and murder journalists.

    The other clear distinction that needs to be made is between the right to criticise religion, the fundamental right of any secular society and criticism of the adherents of a religion, which is racism not free speech. Portrayal of an innane rabbi, a stupid mullah or a backward fundamentalilst preacher has nothing to do with racism and is indeed about free speech. Criticism of a particular religion as backward and the imputation of backwardness to the followers of that religion is racist.

    Fascist or racist ‘free speech’ is intended to incite hatred and hurt its targets. It has nothing to do with free speech. Printing cartoons of Allah seems to me to be the quintessential example of free speech.

    • lysias
      January 13, 2015, 12:29 pm

      I have the impression that Voltaire and many other Enlightenment figures regarded Christianity as a whole, not merely individual churches and clergymen, as backward. I don’t agree with that attitude. I think it was an unfortunate aspect of the Enlightenment, which Romanticism rightly reacted against. But I wouldn’t call that Enlightenment attitude racist.

    • Mooser
      January 13, 2015, 12:53 pm

      “Im Tirzu’s attack on Ha’aretz journalists owes more to McCarthyism than Jewish solidarity.”

      This a surprise, and a pleasant one! Mr. Greenstein, I hope you can find time to comment here, or write for the site. I promise, I won’t try to be “helpful”.

    • American
      January 13, 2015, 2:42 pm

      ” The other clear distinction that needs to be made is between the right to criticise religion, the fundamental right of any secular society and criticism of the adherents of a religion, which is racism not free speech. Portrayal of an innane rabbi, a stupid mullah or a backward fundamentalilst preacher has nothing to do with racism and is indeed about free speech. Criticism of a particular religion as backward and the imputation of backwardness to the followers of that religion is racist – —-tony greenstein>>>>>

      Hummm…. .
      Criticizing ‘ religion’ as oppose to criticizing a ‘particular religion’ is a distinction .
      It is safer to just offend all the religious who would likely just ignore it since the religious are the majority of the world and wouldnt feel threatened— whereas one particular group would feel singled out and threatened and might retaliate.
      I would say yea–if you’re going to lampoon Islam you need put a just as crazy jewish rabbi and a just as crazy christian preacher in the same cartoon or it is racist in its single focus on one religion and its followers.

    • MRW
      January 13, 2015, 5:08 pm

      Portrayal of an innane rabbi, a stupid mullah or a backward fundamentalilst preacher has nothing to do with racism and is indeed about free speech. Criticism of a particular religion as backward and the imputation of backwardness to the followers of that religion is racist.

      Hunh? This doesn’t make any sense to me. So the “imputation of backwardness” when it’s plural is racist, but knocking them individually is not?

    • Bornajoo
      January 13, 2015, 5:20 pm

      Dear Tony Greenstein
      Thank you for your comment and I often read your blog.
      Granted, Shoval’s attack on the Haaretz journalists owe more to McCarthyism than Jewish solidarity. But I do believe and have experienced (many times) that speaking out against Israel/zionists is also seen by many Jews as breaking ranks and being a traitor because I’m speaking out and denouncing other Jews. This includes lots of my own family and many others I know. It’s not so much about the contents of the arguments, it’s just that they can’t stand the idea that as a Jew I openly criticise other Jews (especially after all we’ve been through, victim, victim etc etc) . I think there is still quite a bit of *tribal unity* which for those Jews is a much stronger and more important ideal than the ideal of universal justice.

      So if the McCarthyists don’t get you the other lot will!

      • Mooser
        January 13, 2015, 5:44 pm

        Thank you for your comment and I often read your blog.”

        Well, what do you know! Next you will tell me, besides Tony Greenstein’s great blog, you read JSF, too? I could get the plotz from this!

      • seanmcbride
        January 13, 2015, 6:24 pm

        Mooser,

        Do you time to explain what you mean by Ziocaine? What is it exactly?

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 2:52 am

        “Well, what do you know! Next you will tell me, besides Tony Greenstein’s great blog, you read JSF, too? I could get the plotz from this!”

        I sure do. And it turns out that the main blogger is an old friend of mine (we met up recently) . I always knew we shared the same views but didn’t know the blog existed until Shmuel pointed me to it. Now I of course read it regularly

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 10:55 am

        “Do you time to explain what you mean by Ziocaine? What is it exactly?”

        Sorry, no time like the present. Google it, Sean.

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 11:06 am

        Mooser,

        When I think of Ziocaine, I usually think of its more extreme expressions, often by the religious settlers: crazy eyes, robotic demeanor, biblical cursing, death threats, spitting, price tag attacks, vandalism, threats to destroy the world, vicious verbal abuse, generalized dementia, etc.

        The obvious question arises: what are the root causes of this behavior? What is the chicken and what is the egg?

        We need to understand what is going on here.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 4:47 pm

        “I sure do. And it turns out that the main blogger is an old friend of mine (we met up recently) . I always knew we shared the same views but didn’t know the blog existed until Shmuel pointed me to it. Now I of course read it regularly”

        Well, Thar she blows my mind! Heck, if you happen to see Schmuel, give him my best wishes and love! I was reading JSF long time!

        See, I told you, just like Cathy and Patty!

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 5:00 pm

        @Mooser
        I know Shmuel lives in London but I’ve never met him. Would like to. He has a huge admirer here; Bintbiba! If he surfaces he’s going to get smothered with unadulterated affection!

        I’ll make sure JSF know they have a huge fan over there. I hope many more too…

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 4:54 pm

        “We need to understand what is going on here.”

        It is a little hard to understand, but it goers like this, Sean. Early observers were convinced “the Ziocaine Syndrome” (that is the correct technical name) had something to do with chemical intoxication, (thus the name ending in “aine”.) Further research has confirmed that it is a purely behavioral syndrome.
        The reports of Ziocaine Syndrome-by-Proxy, of course, put a complete end to speculations the condition might be genetic. No one is pursuing that any more, except a few cranks.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 5:09 pm

        “I’ll make sure JSF know they have a huge fan over there. I hope many more too…”

        Thanks!
        I always liked his comment policy: “No liars, time-wasters, or bigots”. He’s never felt it necessary to ban me under it, but it must have been close, sometimes.

      • seanmcbride
        January 14, 2015, 5:14 pm

        Mooser,

        All human cults with strong grandiose and euphoric tendencies may have a significant genetic component.

        Increasingly we are beginning to realize that there are genetic markers and drivers for much of human behavior (and many mental disorders).

        For instance, try Googling:

        1. [Google; bipolar disorder genetics link to google.com

        2. [Google; obsessive compulsive disorder genetics link to google.com

        3. [Google; tourette syndrome genetics link to google.com

        Is there an ethnocentrism gene (or complex of genes)? — here’s betting that we will discover it before long.

        Wrt to Ziocaine Syndrome — clearly some people are more susceptible to it than others — the question is why. Innate proclivities and predilections? Cultural programming? Social stress?

        Ziocaine Syndrome is just one of many manifestations of messianic ethnocentrism as presented by numerous ethnic groups, with varying degrees of intensity.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 6:38 pm

        “Ziocaine Syndrome is just one of many manifestations of messianic ethnocentrism as presented by numerous ethnic groups, with varying degrees of intensity”

        Oh, I see, so it’s got nothing to do with the fundamental ideology? Nothing to do with religion?
        What a rip-off! I thought it was a condition only Jews got. Oh well, another bit of exclusivity shot to hell. Oh, well, all that “Diversity” and “New Age” and “Progressive” stuff got rid of those ideas, now anybody thinks they’re good enough to get anything!

      • Mooser
        January 18, 2015, 5:35 pm

        “All human cults with strong grandiose and euphoric tendencies may have a significant genetic component.”

        Oh, sure, that’s accepted fact, like how of your Dad is a Catholic Priest, or Benedictine or Franciscan monk, you’ll probably grow up to be one, too. That’s pretty common.

        Pretty sure the same applies to women. If your Mom was a Nun, you may very well have a predilection for the same vocation.

    • MRW
      January 13, 2015, 5:49 pm

      Printing cartoons of Allah seems to me to be the quintessential example of free speech.

      It is a religious edict in Islam not to portray the Prophet (not Allah, the Prophet). It has deep religious significance to Muslims. Islam doesn’t have a priestcraft, no hierarchy of poobahs telling them what to do. No popes and cardinals, pastors, priests, bishopricks, or rabbis. The entire basis of religious and spiritual life in Islam is the Koran, God (Allah), and you. Idolatry is out. No worshipping some guy who lived 1500 years ago. That’s why it is blasphemous and considered sinful to ink any likeness of the Prophet. Islam is your inner relationship with God as outlined in the Koran. (The different strands of Islam are because certain groups have similar interpretations of the words of the Koran, which is why those nomads in Saudi Arabia came up with Wahabbism 210 years ago and made it fundie-supreme.)

      So to take one of the most basic tenets of their faith—and you really have to talk to a range of Muslims to understand the depth of this—and then make a cartoon of it, a piss-in-your-face insult of not only their religious edict but a complete mockery of what they believe, and justify the action by waving off their distress with the western legalese described as “free speech,” which is presumed to have more value than what they value, and then are surprised at the consequences, means someone’s not listening. It may be free speech to you, but it’s a taunt to them, and it’s a cruel one. The only thing Islam has ever asked of the world is not to portray the Prophet. Even I knew that 20 years ago. It’s the biggest no-no. And these dumb Europeans are reacting like their parents told them they can’t wear jeans to school.

      • American
        January 14, 2015, 11:14 am

        Excellent comment MRW

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 5:15 pm

        “The Quran, the Islamic holy book, does not explicitly prohibit the depiction of human figures; it merely condemns idolatry.[1][2] Interdictions of figurative representation are present in the hadith, among a dozen of the hadith recorded during the latter part of the period when they were being written down. Because these hadith are tied to particular events in the life of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, they need to be interpreted in order to be applied in any general manner.”

        Wiki: “Aniconism in Islam”

        Of course, what it all adds up to is that nobody will ever ride one of those gorgeous, stunning Phillip George surfboards. And that is too bad.

      • Bornajoo
        January 14, 2015, 7:01 pm

        Yes really beautiful Mooser
        I love those designs!

      • just
        January 14, 2015, 5:28 pm

        They are beautiful, Mooser.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 6:53 pm

        “They are beautiful, Mooser.”

        They are gorgeous, and it’s rare for me to see a graphic’ed surfboard or MC helmet that I like.

        And I can see an entire line of swim-wear, wet-suits, beach-wear, beach-towels, beach-umbrellas, and accessories (beach-bags, sandals, hats, you name it) co-ordinated to go with them!

        But the boards can’t be ridden.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2015, 7:42 pm

        I’d love for a MC helmet graphic’ed like that. With decorative, not religious designs, so it wouldn’t be offensive, but it would probably be very expensive.

      • MRW
        January 15, 2015, 12:49 pm

        Of course, what it all adds up to is that nobody will ever ride one of those gorgeous, stunning Phillip George surfboards. And that is too bad.

        Sure they can. They put designs like this on their walls. Check out the Alhambra, built in 884 AD.

      • MRW
        January 15, 2015, 1:22 pm

        @Mooser,

        These designs were originally mathematics. Because our education is so profoundly poor in this country, we don’t know that it was the Moors that introduced mathematics to Europe. Seriously. The dumb Europeans were struggling to figure out Euclidian principles while the Muslims were doing advanced calculus and trigonometry. This is also displayed in their architecture. No Christian or Jew figured out arches; they didn’t have the brain power.

        Moorish science was light years ahead of anything the Europeans were doing. LIGHT YEARS. Where do you think the Europeans got it? Islamic science. They invented the damn scientific method in the 12th C (ibn Al-Haytham, I think). It took Christians and Jews another 700 years to catch on.

      • Mooser
        January 15, 2015, 3:55 pm

        “They are beautiful, Mooser.”

        My idea that aniconism started in the Ten Commandments? I think it’s pretty.

      • Mooser
        January 16, 2015, 6:40 pm

        “Sure they can. They put designs like this on their walls.”

        Some of the surfboards have the name of God worked into the design, and these, the artist decided, cannot be trod upon, so the boards are for display only. That was in the pdf of a magazine article on them.

        I would hope something could be worked out and a suitable “Arabesque” (if you will) design that could be part of a working surfboard can be used.

  17. Citizen
    January 14, 2015, 6:52 am

    Will Haaretz gets more death threats for pubishing this article about Israel pressuring the French Jewish victims to be buried in Israel & asking the French Jewish community to pay for this service? link to haaretz.com

  18. Mooser
    January 14, 2015, 4:59 pm

    Gosh, I gotta wonder, if it hadn’t been for “”Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image”
    might none of this have happened. I mean, in that commandment we have the establishment of the idea that “graven images” are important enough to kill over, important enough to be controlled., important enough to be figured into the most basic religious commands.
    Oh well.

  19. Mooser
    January 15, 2015, 3:52 pm

    Me, I blame the entire thing, and a lot more besides, on Exodus 20:3 – 6

    That’s what started it, maybe a thousand years before Islam? More than 1,000?
    The beginning of censorship, and the principles that images are worth killing over, and must be controlled.
    Aniconism, and it’s all ours.

  20. traintosiberia
    January 18, 2015, 6:44 pm

    CNN never fails to confirm the limits of the freedom of the speech

    link to ynetnews.com

    CNN’s Jim Clancy resigns after anti-Israel tweets

    Anchor leaves Cable News Network after 34 years following controversial Twitter debate with pro-Israel activists over terror attack on Charlie Hebdo.

    Ynet
    Published: 01.17.15, 17:47 / Israel News

    It was Octavia Nasr,then another gentleman and now is Jim Clancy

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