Hate in the aftermath of Chapel Hill

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In 2012, the American Muslim community experienced one of the biggest upticks of violence and harassment that the community has ever seen. Eleven years removed from 9/11, there was a seemingly unexplainable rash of attacks against mosques, including arson, vandalism and even shots being fired at different Islamic centers throughout the U.S. Much of this upswing in activity can be attributed to a continued flow of money and rhetoric into what’s termed “The Islamophobia Industry” – as outlined in Center For American Progress’ Fear, Inc., as well as CAIR’s 2013 report: Legislating Fear.

Fast forward to February 2015. The news of a horrific execution-style murder of three young students in Chapel Hill, NC hit the Muslim community like a punch in the chest. The deaths of dental-student Deah Barakat, Yusor Abu Salha and Razan Abu Salha saw three bright lights from our community have their lives cut short, in a crime that seemingly had a bias component to it. This came on the heals of the equally horrific murder of Mustafa Mattan, a well-respected Muslim community member who was shot dead while answering his door in Fort McMurray, Canada. But while the community grieved over these losses, an unprecedented string of hate crimes has swarmed not only Muslims, but other minorities who suffer from the epidemic of anti-Muslim sentiment.  Here is a listing of confirmed anti-Muslim incidents that have taken place in recent days:

Dearborn, MI: February 12th – Muslim family attacked at Kroger

With anti-Muslim sentiment rising in the aftermath of recent ISIS attacks, an Arab-American family was assaulted while shopping at a local Kroger.

Houston, TX: February 13th – Arson at the Quba Islamic Institute

Early on February 13th, one of the buildings of this Islamic center burst into flames, completely destroying the structure.

Houston – Arson at the Quba Islamic Institute, Feb.13,2015 (Photo By Cody Duty/MBI)

Houston – Arson at the Quba Islamic Institute, Feb.13,2015 (Photo By Cody Duty/MBI)

El Paso, TX: February 13th – Multiple Muslim families targeted with slashed tires

Multiple families have the tires slashed on their vehicles, and now fear for their own safety.  Watch Here:

Warwick, RI: February 14th – Vandalism at Islamic School of Rhode Island

Red spray-painted hate messages were tagged throughout the exterior of the school. References included “pigs,” derogatory references to Islam as well as Nazi imagery.

Bothell, WA: February 16th – Vandalism at Hindu Temple and Anti-Muslim Graffiti at school.

A local Hindu temple was vandalized with red-spray painted swastikas, and the words “Go Home” – as well as a nearby school vandalized with “Muslims Go Home” on the building.

Columbus, OH: February 17th – Threats of violence at multiple mosques

Multiple mosques in Ohio have reported receiving threatening phone calls from the same individual, putting these communities on edge.  Warning: Graphic Language

Revere, MA: February 17th – Multiple threats of violence against Muslims posted throughout town

Disturbing notes threatening to kill Muslims “within 72 hours” were found throughout Revere.

Clearly, the amount of anti-Muslim activity throughout the U.S. has spiked significantly in the past week. Sadly, there are even more reports of incidents such as these that are emerging nationwide.

Here are some of the takeaways from these recent events:

Everything is BIGGER in Texas, even the hate: Much of the anti-Muslim activity taking place recently has come from Texas – a state with one of the largest Muslim populations in America. Last month, a Muslim event in Garland, TX was surrounded with swarms of anti-Muslim protestors – some of them carrying weapons. Protest signs decrying “Sharia Law” and mocking tenets of Islam were widespread throughout the event.

A few weeks later, the hate-fest replicated itself outside a scheduled Muslim Day at the State Capitol in Austin. The event garnered attention after a state legislator, Molly White posted on her Facebook page that Muslim constituents should be required to take a “loyalty oath.” Protestors flooded the Capitol, shouting hateful slogans, even interrupting the event by grabbing the microphone from scheduled speakers.

Texas has been an epicenter for Islamophobia since 9/11, however there has been a significant upswing in demonstrations and anti-Muslim incidents more recently. This upswing in hateful rhetoric has clearly contributed to the hate crimes of the past week.

Can we call it a hate crime?

The media reaction in the aftermath of the Chapel Hill shooting has been very telling in terms of how crimes against Muslims, and crimes that are not committed by Muslims are perceived.

Within hours of the killings, details began emerging as to who exactly the shooter was, and what type of worldview he held. Based on his social media activities and consumer habits – it became clear that Craig Hicks was fixated on guns and gun-culture. He also turned out to hold militant new-atheist beliefs, and viewed all religions with distaste.

If we were to analyze a similar shooting where the perpetrator espoused an iota of Muslim identity on social media – the media narrative would somehow frame this as “terror.” In Craig Hicks’ case, however – the narrative took a different turn: Parking.

Never mind the implausibility of a parking issue resulting in the execution-style murder of an entire family – how is it possible to ignore the anti-Muslim sentiment that was pervading society at the moment of the killings? Many are attempting to paint Hicks as a person with contempt for ALL faiths – and he apparently even “defended the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ in a 2012 social media posting.” Defending a religious liberty issue in 2012 does not preclude an individual from committing a crime based on hate in 2015.

Examine the case of Michael Enright, who traveled to Afghanistan to document the war – even smiling and posing with locals in photographs. He eventually returned to New York City, and slashed a cabbie’s throat after asking if the driver was Muslim.

Even though Hicks will spend the rest of his life behind bars, it is vital that law-enforcement investigate thoroughly as to whether bias contributed to this crime. This will provide much needed closure and justice to the families of the victims – who are certain that his was no mere “parking issue.”

Keeping Warm?

The mosque fire outside Houston has received similar treatment from many media outlets. It became clear, the day of the crime that this was an arson – as fire officials found accelerant at the scene.

Now, let’s pause here and look at the context of what was going on leading up to this fire. In Texas, the aforementioned hate-rallies in addition to the unchecked hateful rhetoric spewed by elected officials. Combine that the spike in hate-crimes nationwide, in addition to wall-to-wall coverage of ISIS being conflated with Islam.

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(Screenshot: Breitbart News)

As the mosque’s building lay in ruins, the narrative begins to emerge that the suspect Darryl Ferguson was “just trying to stay warm.”  Right-wing media outlets took this narrative, and ran with it.

As the investigation continues to unfold, we are now finding out that Ferguson harbored anti-Muslim views to a convenience store clerk.  Although “parking disputes” and the need for warmth seem to be plausible for mainstream media outlets, it is clear that the coming days will reveal more as to the true nature of these crimes.

The past week has shown a sharp increase in Islamophobia – which has put many communities on edge.  As we have seen, this trend affects not only Muslims, but those perceived to be Muslims- such as Sikhs, Hindus, Arab Christians, and individuals from African origin.  Rather than helping squash this rhetoric, many elected officials and media outlets are using Islamophobia as a tool – which in turn is resulting in weeks like these.  It is hopeful that institutions from the Muslim community take note, and ensure that extra safety precautions are taken – along with constant awareness of surroundings.  Our community can’t afford any more “parking disputes.”

This post originally appeared on Imraan Siddiqi’s website Stop Islamophobia Now!

About Imraan Siddiqi

Imraan Siddiqi is a writer, activist and Executive Director of CAIR-Arizona.  He has been published in a wide variety of outlets on the subject of Islamophobia and American Muslims.  He is also editor of the website HateHurts.net – a project to track Islamophobia and its fallout on multiple communities.  You can follow him on Twitter @imraansiddiqi

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  1. just
    February 20, 2015, 10:19 am

    I just read this on your website and was going to bring it over!

    Very glad to see you here in person, Imraan. The work that you do is so incredibly important. I thank you very much for your diligence & care for and toward justice, and for your focused attention to the cunning and treacherous rise in Islamophobia.

  2. eljay
    February 20, 2015, 10:27 am

    The event garnered attention after a state legislator, Molly White posted on her Facebook page that Muslim constituents should be required to take a “loyalty oath.”

    Better yet, have every citizen – including the Zio-supremacists – take an oath to uphold the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

    • ckg
      February 20, 2015, 1:55 pm

      especially Molly White. From the Politico article,

      “I did leave an Israeli flag on the reception desk in my office with instructions to ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws,” she wrote. “We will see how long they stay in my office,” she added.

      • DavidDaoud
        February 21, 2015, 3:14 pm

        Ckg, maybe Molly’s statement makes sense to her, but it sure as heck doesn’t make sense to me.
        Does Molly White think the Israeli flag has some connection to loyalty to the United States?

      • Daniel Rich
        February 21, 2015, 8:26 pm

        @ ckg,

        Q: “I did leave an Israeli flag on the reception desk in my office with instructions to ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws,”

        R: Thanks for bringing that up.

        ‘An Apartheid State’s flag’ and ‘announce allegiance to the US’ in 1 and the same sentence? Really?

        Every time I think we’ve reached rock bottom it turns out to be just another layer of quicksand.

  3. Giles
    February 20, 2015, 10:45 am

    Mainstream media is extremely Israeli centric. When a boy drew a Christian Cross in Bedford MA last year, we were treated to three days of stories about shocking “anti-Semitism” in Bedford.

    When three Muslims are murdered and mosques burned to the ground, we are told they do not appear to be hate crimes.

    Something has to be done about this small band of deluded hate-filled racists who appear to the current ruling elite in America. And soon. Before we end up in a war with Iran — or even Russia — because of their machinations

    • just
      February 20, 2015, 11:04 am

      You are absolutely spot- on to mention the MSM’s role in this “Israeli centric” disgrace, Giles! They are the purveyors of Islamophobia, and it looks like they are here to stay, unless we take a stand.

      “After MSNBC Axes Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid’s Shows, Is Chris Hayes Next?

      MNSBC President Phil Griffin attempts to reverse significant viewership slides by accentuating straight news over left-leaning opinion.

      “Everybody in the food chain from top to bottom understands that the Olbermann era is over,” said an MSNBC source, referring to the glory days during George W. Bush’s administration when incendiary liberal Keith Olbermann regularly attracted a million viewers—many of them seeking refuge from White House and Republican talking points.

      The MSNBC source said, “Going left was a brilliant strategy while it lasted and made hundreds of millions of dollars for Comcast, but now it doesn’t work anymore…The goal is to move away from left-wing TV.””

      more @ http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/19/after-msnbc-axes-ronan-farrow-and-joy-reid-s-shows-is-chris-hayes-next.html

      Lawmakers/the privileged/the influential (“current ruling elite”) are a huge part of the problem, too:

      “Oklahoma educators fear high school history bill will have ‘devastating’ impact

      The battle over how US history is taught in classrooms across the American south is coming to a head and may even fall apart in Oklahoma, pitting a sea of students and educators against a conservative lawmaker who believes the advanced placement course in its current form teaches only what’s “bad about America”.

      In August, the Republican National Committee passed a resolution slamming the College Board for pushing a “consistently negative view of American history” and calling on the company to delay the implementation of its revised framework. Also last year, Dr Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon who is “thinking very seriously” about running for president, warned during a speech at the conservative Center for Security Policy: “I think most people, when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for Isis.””

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/20/oklahoma-ap-history-bill-devastating-dan-fisher#comment-47836087

      • Mooser
        February 20, 2015, 6:12 pm

        ” when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for Isis.”

        Neb and Nut’s daughter has changed quite a bit.

      • RoHa
        February 20, 2015, 9:00 pm

        The course includes punting lessons?

      • Daniel Rich
        February 21, 2015, 8:31 pm

        @ RoHa,

        Q: The course includes punting lessons?

        R: Nope, but it has various ‘up leg’ courses, so as to provide a smooth transition into Canadian territory.

    • ldq1997
      February 21, 2015, 11:19 am

      There is an article from an unusual source, Bob Livingston of the newsletter Personal Liberty Digest, which says that Islamic terror is a deception by the elite, who rule America and the world, to control and manipulate the masses. The article is well worth reading.

    • jayn0t
      February 21, 2015, 9:37 pm

      It’s true that the media is pro-Israel. That doesn’t mean it’s Islamophobic. All the reports on this triple murder in North Carolina mentioned that it might have been driven by dislike of Muslims. They also correctly pointed out that it might not.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 21, 2015, 9:49 pm

        you might have a point if mentioning that it “might have been driven by dislike of Muslims” was evidence of non-islamophobia, but since it isn’t, it proves nothing. a majority of msm coverage in this country as it pertains to stereotypes, palestinians, terrorism, muslims, israel, palestine, palestinians, israelis, and arabs, is islamophobic imho.

  4. Marnie
    February 20, 2015, 11:22 am

    The USA welcomes people of all faiths and nationalities, as long as they don’t show that they are of different faiths or nationalities. Welcome to America! Just lighten your skin, save your crazy foreign scary language for home and don’t look “ethnic”. Thank you for reporting this and I’m so sorry. How can anyone be surprised by this? I remember 20 years ago a friend being told she could not wear cornrows on the job (she worked in a hospital medical records department) because it was too strong ethnic identity.

  5. pabelmont
    February 20, 2015, 11:40 am

    How are ADL and SPLC treating these Muslim-victim crimes? Are they making the parallel with anti-Semitism or at least with “hate crimes” or do they ignore it all?

    What’s Obama’s DoJ doing?

    • just
      February 20, 2015, 12:02 pm

      There was a big, old summit (CVE):

      “Accused human rights abusers attend White House’s extremism summit”
      http://mashable.com/2015/02/18/white-house-extremism-summit/

      The WH invited the ADL to do a presentation about extremism at the summit.

      “Critic: Extremism Summit Focused Too Narrowly On Muslims”

      http://www.npr.org/2015/02/19/387554165/critic-extremism-summit-focused-too-narrowly-on-muslims

      Good time to re-post this :

      “#Islamophobia News Algorithm: deadly event -> did a Muslim do it -> YES -> Headline news”

      https://twitter.com/MuftahOrg/status/567132439496364032

    • Kay24
      February 21, 2015, 3:12 am

      Foxman is busy taking care of his own, the zionists and the rights of Israel. Crimes against Muslims are not a big deal, unlike anti-semitism. I am sure if you look at the history of the ADL under Foxman, you might find outrage against crimes against Jews and Israel more than for others. I am sure these ugly racial attacks are the result of the media portraying Islam as violent, and the efforts by bigots like Geller and others, who spend every waking moment attacking ALL Muslim and putting up racist posters. Then there are the idiots like Bill Maher who constantly attacks Muslims, and acts like he is a scholar of Islam, and knows all about it.
      When ignorant people are being told day in and day out that all Muslims and Islam are bad, they will begin to believe it.

      • oldgeezer
        February 21, 2015, 3:20 am

        Foxman and the adl (under foxman. it had legitimate beginnings in my opinion) have more in common with the edl than a human rights organization.

      • just
        February 21, 2015, 5:50 am

        This is what else Foxman is busy doing:

        “Davis police announced that the Anti-Defamation League is offering a $2,500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person responsible for vandalism at a UC Davis-affiliated Jewish fraternity house over the weekend.

        Two large swastikas were found painted on the AEPI fraternity house in the 100 block of Russell Boulevard. The vandalism occurred between 2 and 9:30 a.m. Saturday, according to a Police Department news release. The incident is being investigated as a hate crime.”

        Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article8978270.html#storylink=cpy

        I haven’t read that the ADL has offered rewards for any Islamophobic crimes…..

      • Kay24
        February 21, 2015, 7:45 am

        It is so obvious there is a huge difference in the way they respond to crimes against Jews, and those against Muslims. Their is an indifference to what the Muslims go through, as if they do not matter. I wonder if Foxman will be replaced by another rabid zionist, when he steps down.
        I would be pleasantly surprised if he was not.

    • jayn0t
      February 21, 2015, 9:42 pm

      http://blog.adl.org/civil-rights/a-tragic-murder-hate-crimes-and-the-need-fight-stereotypes
      http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/02/13/fbi-probing-murder-of-3-muslims-amid-hate-crime-questions/
      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/us/fbi-inquiry-muslim-student-killings-chapel-hill-north-carolina.html

      “The Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice announced they would look into the killings”

      Don’t worry, the usual suspects are milking this tragedy, to defend the legally nonsensical notion ‘hate crime’.

      • Giles
        February 22, 2015, 8:55 am

        “Until the inves­ti­ga­tion is com­pleted, the evi­dence ana­lyzed, and the case pre­sented, it is impos­si­ble to know whether or not this case meets the legal def­i­n­i­tion of a hate crime. ”

        Now there’s a qualifier I have never, ever, ever, seen when the victim of a crime is Jewish.

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 9:07 am

        No kidding, Giles.

        The Arab Defamation League @ its hypocritical best.

  6. Bornajoo
    February 20, 2015, 12:07 pm

    Thanks imraan

    Unfortunately it appears that islamaphobic crimes don’t really count. It’s the same here in the UK

    Nobody is really interested in reporting islamaphobia, which really does exist here in the UK, but they are very interested in promoting it.

    • Walid
      February 20, 2015, 1:23 pm

      Bornajoo, in that part of the country, the phobia is not only about Muslims but just about all foreigners, and even Europeans. But this isn’t to say that all southerners are red necks. The same for Fort McMurray, Alberta, also reputed to be a red neck area where Mustafa Mattan was shot as he answered his door the day before the Chapel Hill murders. There was trouble with racism all last week in Seattle with the Hindu community. But since Moslems and Arabs are under the spotlight these days, you hear mostly about them.

      Would you say that in the UK, the Africans, Pakistanis, Hindus and so on are having it much easier than the Moslems?

      • Bornajoo
        February 20, 2015, 1:49 pm

        Thanks for the information Walid. Points taken.
        In the UK it used to be bad for all immigrants but it’s a lot better now for most. Back in the 60s and 70s there was racism against Indians and Pakistanis (who were unceremoniously lumped together under the derogatory term ‘Pakis’) . And obviously Africans and West Indians suffered a lot too and still do.
        However, there is no doubt that islamaphobia is by far the biggest form of racism in Britain today. It started deteriorating after 911, then by the 2005 attacks in London and now of course by IS. The conflation of Islam and terrorism is a huge problem. Whereas for other communities things have definitely improved (regardless of what the Jews say about anti semitism which doesn’t really exist here) its definitely getting worse for Muslims. However the incidents of islamaphobia are under reported in comparison with other hate crimes but it is insidiously promoted

      • Keith
        February 20, 2015, 6:20 pm

        WALID- “There was trouble with racism all last week in Seattle with the Hindu community.”

        There was? Why wasn’t I informed? I hadn’t noticed anything in the Seattle Times which I just skim, so I went to the trusty web to see what this weeklong racism was all about. The only references I found involved some graffiti on a local Hindu Temple and school. On the school it had a swaztika with the words “Moslems get out.” I don’t know that I would attach too much significance to this. Graffiti happens.

      • RoHa
        February 20, 2015, 10:10 pm

        Swastika and “Moslems get out” graffiti on a Hindu temple?

        Shome mishtake, shurely: Ed.

      • oldgeezer
        February 21, 2015, 12:29 am

        @Roha

        Swastikas on a Hindu Temple must be some mistake?

        Not the editors mistake anyway.

        No one ever said that racists regardless of their race, ethnicity or religious affiliation had more than a couple of working brain cells.

        Yes it happened.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11417352/Racist-vandals-accidentally-paint-sacred-Swastika-on-Hindu-temple.html

      • RoHa
        February 21, 2015, 1:10 am

        So it’s actually a swastika and “get out” on the temple, and a swastika and “Muslims get out” on a school.

      • Walid
        February 21, 2015, 1:23 am

        “Swastikas on a Hindy temple”

        Keith and RoHa, it was actually at Bothell, which is 20 miles north of Seattle. In addition to the swastika, the ignorant vandals aso wrote ” go home”. The idiots that did it did not know that the swastika is a Hindu religious symbol.

        From Seattle Times:

        Police investigating “hate graffiti” painted on Bothell temple

        Posted by Lewis Kamb
        Police are investigating “hate graffiti” found painted early Sunday on the outside wall of a Hindu temple in Bothell, the Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office reported Monday.

        About 9:30 a.m. Sunday, a deputy responding to a temple member’s call found a swastika and the words “GET OUT” painted on side of the Hindu Temple and Cultural Center in the 3800 block of 212th Street Southeast.

        Police so far have no suspects, but are investigating.

        http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2015/02/police-are-investigating-hate-graffiti-left-at-hindu-temple-in-bothell/#comments-page-subtitle

    • jayn0t
      February 21, 2015, 9:47 pm

      “Nobody is really interested in reporting islamaphobia, which really does exist here in the UK”.

      On the contrary, Bornajoo. It was fear of being accused of ‘Islamophobia’ which led to… google “Rotherham Louise Casey”.

      • Bornajoo
        February 22, 2015, 4:40 am

        @Jayn0t
        “On the contrary, Bornajoo. It was fear of being accused of ‘Islamophobia’ which led to… google “Rotherham Louise Casey”.

        This case, I believe, is much more about the UK’s insane obsession with political correctness than it is about islamaphobia. It would have been the same reaction with any community, including the Jewish community.

        And it was more complex than that. It was also about rampant sexism and male chauvinism, it was about the pathetic attitude of the police in Rotherham who didn’t even bother doing anything because they regarded these young girls as “little slags”. It was also about young vulnerable white girls from very broken homes with no real parental guidance. And most of all this gang of Pakistani Muslim men were low life thugs and their attitude and actions for not represent the vast, vast majority of Muslims in the UK.

        From the Telegraph:

        “Rotherham’s Labour-run council was portrayed in the report as an authority where political correctness persistently blighted its approach to CSE.

        The South Yorkshire town has a small Pakistani community, accounting for around three per cent of the local population.

        But the report found that when the council was presented with information that men from this community were involved in the grooming and abuse of young white girls, there was a reluctance to address the issue for fear of being labelled racist.

        One former council officer told the inspectors: “Rotherham isn’t a very PC place, I think that is why the Council overcompensated too much.

        “It doesn’t want to be accused of being racist. Perpetrators have been known to say ‘I’ll use the racecard’.”

        But Ms Casey said political correctness had not only allowed perpetrators to get away with appalling crimes, but had also allowed the far right to flourish.

        Her report stated: “Rotherham’s suppression of these uncomfortable issues and its fear of being branded racist has done a disservice to the Pakistani heritage community as well as the wider community.

        “It has prevented discussion and effective action to tackle the problem. This has allowed perpetrators to remain at large, has let victims down, and perversely, has allowed the far right to try and exploit the situation.

        “It seems that with an intention of not being racist, their ways of dealing with race does more harm than good.”

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11391331/Rotherham-scandal-The-catalogue-of-council-failings.html

  7. just
    February 20, 2015, 4:50 pm

    via Imraan Siddiqi:

    “”Allah Akbar is a war chant.””

    https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/568681435877347328

    acc. to Rabbi Kenneth Cohen (formerly Executive Director and Campus Rabbi, AU Hillel American University)

    Pretty insulting to millions and millions of Christians and Muslims…

    “The only Palestinian Orthodox Christian bishop in the Holy Land speaking about the suffering of Palestinian Christians, their unity with Muslims in the Palestinian struggle, about Orthodox Christian martyrs, and Ukraine.

    Archbishop Sebastia Theodosios (Atallah Hanna), 49, is the only Orthodox Christian archbishop from Palestine stationed in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, while all other bishops of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem are Greeks. The Israeli authorities had detained him several times, or stopped him at the border, and taken away his passport. Among all Jerusalem clergymen he is the only one who has no privilege of passing through the VIP gate in the airport – because of his nationality. “For the Israeli authorities, I am not a bishop, but rather a Palestinian,” explains his Beatitude. When talking on the phone he says a lot of words you would normally hear from a Muslim: “Alhamdulillah, Insha’Allah, Masha’Allah”. He speaks Arabic, and the Arabic for ‘god’ is Allah, whether you are a Christian or a Muslim.

    …..To a Western mind, Allahu Akbar sounds like a threat. What do Christians of the Holy Land think about them?

    We Christians also say Allahu Akbar. This is an expression of our understanding that the Creator is great. We don’t want this phrase to be related to terrorism and crimes.

    We refuse to associate these words with massacres and murders.

    We speak against using this phrase in this context. Those who do, they insult our religion and our religious values.

    Those using these words while taking some unreligious, unspiritual, uncivilized actions are harming the religion.

    Allahu Akbar is an expression of our faith.

    One must not use these words for non-religion-related purposes in order to justify violence and terror.

    Do people say Allahu Akbar in church?

    Of course.

    For us, Allah is not an Islamic term. This is a word used in Arabic to indicate the Creator who’s made the world we are living in. So when we say Allah in our prayers we mean the Creator of this world.

    In our prayers and pleas, in our Orthodox Christian religious ceremonies we use exactly this word. We say, glory be to Allah in all times. We say Allah a lot during our liturgy. It’s erroneous to think that the word Allah is only used by Muslims.

    We the Arab Christians say Allah in our Arabic language as a way to identify and address the Creator in our prayers…”

    http://rt.com/op-edge/227871-palestinian-orthodox-christian-bishop/

    • yonah fredman
      February 20, 2015, 4:53 pm

      Rabbi Menachem Froman, peace be upon him, used to say that since one of God’s, Allah’s names is peace, that the cry Allah hu Akhbar is a cry for the greatness of peace.

      • Bornajoo
        February 20, 2015, 7:20 pm

        Welcome back Yonah

      • yonah fredman
        February 20, 2015, 9:50 pm

        thanks, bornajoo

      • Giles
        February 22, 2015, 8:30 am

        Perfect example of how yonah’s mind works.

        Forget what the Muslims say about the meaning of their words. We need a Rabbi to explain what Muslims mean and then we must exalt that rabbi.

      • gamal
        February 25, 2015, 4:29 pm

        The Takbir is “Allahu Akbar min kulli shay’in.”

        What is Takbeer?
        September 12, 2008
        tags: Allahu Akbar, dhikr, Greatest, takbeer
        by Amatullah

        Bismillah.

        To continue our meanings of the dhikr posts, we’ll analyze Takbeer which means to say: Allahu Akbar.

        Allah ta’ala says in Suratul Israa ayah 111:

        وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيرًا

        “and glorify Him with a great glorification”.

        Both of these words in the ayah are from kaaf-ba-ra (ك-ب-ر) or kabar, which means to be great. كَبِّرْهُ Kabirhu means: Make Him great, declare His Greatness, Exalt Him, Magnify Him. How? تَكْبِيرًا ,takbeera, by saying Allahu Akbar. This is the highest and best way to Exalt Allah.

        Furthermore, there is a deeper meaning to “Allahu Akbar”. It’s not just Allahu Akbar, it is : Allahu akbaru min kulli shay’in, Allah is greater than everything. When we say Allahu Akbar, we are implying this whole phrase although “min kulli shay’in”, “than everything” is omitted from the sentence.

        https://tayyibaat.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/what-is-takbeer/

    • Kay24
      February 21, 2015, 7:50 am

      Many ignorant people do think “Allahu Akbar” is a war cry, I guess because we have seems many instances in the media, that show terrorists uttering them, before attacking someone or something. I guess they do not bother to research that. You are right the word Allah in Arabic translates to “God” and it could be anyone’s God. I also think non Muslims mistakenly think “Allah” is the name of the Muslim Deity or God.

      • just
        February 21, 2015, 8:24 am

        I believe that most are willfully ignorant, Kay. Rabbi Cohen definitely knows better, but he is an inciter and is preaching to his rabble.

        There are many videos/pictures/stories of US and Israeli troops in prayer, too.

        Remember William Boykin (now Executive VP of the Family Research Council)?

        “Boykin, a born-again Christian has gained attention for his Christian views over the years and some of his public remarks which cast the War on Terror in religious terms have generated considerable controversy.[10] A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2004 that he had violated regulations by failing to explain these remarks were not made in an official capacity.[11]

        In an October 15, 2003 speech to a community church in Oregon, Boykin was recorded stating that Islamic extremists hate the United States “because we’re a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians. … And the enemy is a guy named Satan.”.[10][12] William Arkin,[13] military analyst for NBC News, was the source of the video and audiotapes of Boykin. The following day the Los Angeles Times ran a piece on Boykin. Among several quotes, the article revealed Boykin giving a speech about hunting down Osman Atto in Mogadishu: “He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, ‘They’ll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.’ Well, you know what? I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.””

        (wiki)

        What about Ofer Winter?

        “On the eve of a threatened ground invasion of Gaza, the commander of the Israeli army’s Givati Brigade has told his soldiers that they are engaged in a war to “wipe out” an “enemy who defames” God.

        In a Hebrew language letter to his troops published by Israel’s NRG news website and laden with bibilical references, Colonel Ofer Winter writes, “History has chosen us to be the sharp edge of the bayonet of fighting the terrorist enemy ‘from Gaza’ which curses, defames and abuses the God of Israel’s battles.”

        “We will act together forcefully and with resolve, with initiative and with deceptive tricks and aim for contact with the enemy. We will do everything to live up to the mission and wipe out the enemy and remove the threat from the Nation of Israel,” Winter’s letter adds.

        In Hebrew, the phrase used for “Nation of Israel” refers specifically and only to Jews.

        “In the name of the IDF [Israeli army] fighters and in particular, the fighters and commanders from the Brigade, make the phrase ‘For the Lord your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you’ come true, and we shall answer: Amen,” he concludes.”

        http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-commander-declares-holy-war-palestinians

  8. just
    February 20, 2015, 5:37 pm

    Over in Norway:

    “On Feb. 21, a week after a shooting outside a synagogue in Copenhagen, Denmark, left two people dead and five injured, a Muslim group in Norway plans to take measures to help ensure the safety of Jewish worshipers in that country.

    The group of Norwegian Muslims will form a human “peace ring” around a synagogue in Oslo, according to a Facebook page for the event.

    “We think that after the terrorist attacks in Copenhagen, it is the perfect time for us Muslims to distance ourselves from the harassment of Jews that is happening,” 17-year-old organizer Hajrad Arshad told the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK) in an interview cited by The Local Norway.

    The Washington Post included a translation of the event’s Facebook page:

    ‘Islam is about protecting our brothers and sisters, regardless of which religion they belong to. Islam is about rising above hate and never sinking to the same level as the haters. Islam is about defending each other. Muslims want to show that we deeply deplore all types of hatred of Jews, and that we are there to support them. We will therefore create a human ring around the synagogue on Saturday 21 February. Encourage everyone to come!'”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/19/muslim-group-oslo-synagoge_n_6708702.html?,judaism

    • yonah fredman
      February 20, 2015, 5:45 pm

      These are brave and righteous people. Instead of some sociological cure that will take 20 years (if it will work), instead of mouthing off, “the galut has it coming to it”, these people are willing to take themselves and put themselves on the street for at least one night and stand up for their neighbors.

      • eljay
        February 20, 2015, 10:43 pm

        || y.f.: These are brave and righteous people. ||

        I agree. These are good people in the same way that Jews who support justice, accountability and equality in Palestine – that is to say, Jews who are not Zio-supremacists – are good people.

      • oldgeezer
        February 21, 2015, 12:35 am

        @yonahfredman

        They are indeed righteous people. They deserve full credit for protecting their Jewish neighbours and fellow citizens.

        Meanwhile liberal zionists continually whine on other articles in the past few days whine that it could never happen to justify the continuation of apartheid/segregation.

        And where are the righteous Jews in Israel actually defending Palestinian civilians. There are many righteous Jewish people fighting for Palestinians. Sadly you are not one of those. I haven’t seen righteous Jews put their lives on the line at least not during the period when the Jewish terrorists vaporized 500 Palestinian children.

        What will you do to end the brutality?

      • yonah fredman
        February 21, 2015, 1:00 am

        oldgeezer- It’s always fun commenting here, so that I can get a j’accuse tossed my way. it’s nice you can live in canada protected from history and hiding behind a mask fake name and toss J’accuse at me. bravo, hero.

        you raise two issues, totally unrelated to what these good people are doing in norway. the ultimate way that Jews and Palestinians will be able to have peace and coexistence on a piece of turf, very different than protecting a civilian population from madmen operating against the law.

        gaza is almost 6 months in the past and i still have figured nothing out about it: there is nothing to indicate that the suffering there will stop soon. if your tossing gaza at me would solve something I would propose that you throw your accusations at me day and night. It doesn’t work that way. but i have no answer to gaza, the dead of this past summer and the suffering today and the next round’s dead as well.

      • oldgeezer
        February 21, 2015, 2:59 am

        “it’s nice you can live in canada protected from history and hiding behind a mask fake name and toss J’accuse at me. bravo, hero.”

        And yonah fredman is your real name as you sit in New York? The only yonah fredman I can find is decades younger than me and even more protected from history than I am as a result. J’accuse at me. bravo, hero.” Nothing like opening with an ad hominem. Your very first point. How high does the curb appear to be when you live in the gutter yonah? You must know and I’ve always been curious.

        “very different than protecting a civilian population from madmen operating against the law. ”

        Not at all. Israel has been operating against the law since it’s inception while immoral individuals such as yourself have twisted not only reality and logic but the definition of words in order to justify it’s barbarity and murderous conduct against women and children.

        “gaza is almost 6 months in the past and i still have figured nothing out about it”

        Ancient history then. Screw the 2,000 killed including 500 children. You haven’t “figured nothing out about it” [sic] as you don’t give a damn about the deaths of women and children.

        ” I would propose that you throw your accusations at me day and night. ”

        You make yourself known by your own posts. My accusations are superfluous in defining your character.

        ” but i have no answer to gaza, the dead of this past summer and the suffering today and the next round’s dead as well.”

        Wipe the spittle off your chin. It’s unseemly when discussing the deaths of innocents.

        You successfully said in quite a few words that you care about Jews and nothing else. And that you could care less about the death of women and more importantly children.

        You disgust me. You have lost any trace of humanity. None. Nada.

      • Mooser
        February 21, 2015, 1:39 pm

        “You disgust me. You have lost any trace of humanity. None. Nada.”

        Allow me to add to the “dialogue,” oldgeezer. Yonah has been to occupied territory, and couldn’t make it, didn’t have whatever it takes to be a illegal colonist and scurried back to the US. And he talks about “protection”?

        Isn’t he something. Since Yonah didn’t have what it takes to be a real Zionist, his protection as an American citizen allowed him to hi-tail back to the good ol USA.

      • yonah fredman
        February 21, 2015, 2:33 pm

        old geezer and mooser- you are two sick dudes. thank god your sickness is limited to verbal symptoms exhibited here. i would have to guess your sickness manifests itself in your lives as well and so the wheel keeps on turning. congrats for circulating toxic air and thoughts in the universe. It all started with adam and eve or kubrick’s monkeys and thank god or hitchcock you are around to keep the sewer stirred. may your work go on forever!

      • pjdude
        February 22, 2015, 1:24 am

        its always nice the rare times people show what being a person of faith truly is about instead of the self serving bs most people do.

      • Mooser
        February 22, 2015, 11:17 am

        “thank god your sickness is limited to verbal symptoms exhibited here”

        Don’t kid yourself, Yonah! My entire life and my actions, are all the results of what you call this “sickness”

        And I do pretty goddam good for myself. You wanna compare?

        ” kubrick’s monkeys”

        You wanna sens “kubrick’s monkeys” after me Yonah, they better be flying monkeys. They’ll never get past my Pavlov’s dogs!

      • Mooser
        February 22, 2015, 2:48 pm

        ” thank god or hitchcock “

        “Hitchcock”? The director? Lindbergh and Kubrick and Vidal and Hitchcock? Good Lord Yonah, what have the Jews ever done to him?
        And (cough, cough, “G-d” with a small “g” and no hyphen?) uh jus, saying.

    • just
      February 21, 2015, 5:36 am

      There are brave and good Israelis and others that try to shield the indigenous Palestinians from the ritual abuse, terror, and cruelty of the ‘settlers’, the IOF, and the GoI.

      Think B’Tselem, Yesh Din, Ta’ayush, and ISM. Heck, think the UN! How do the Zionists and the GoI respond to them? Why, they disparage, abuse, and attack and sometimes kill them for their effrontery.

      As for “gaza is almost 6 months in the past and i still have figured nothing out about it “~ what does that even mean? Israel planned & started a massacre and killed and injured thousands of Palestinians. The survivors are living in rubble and in a disaster zone~ no heat, no water, no shelter. In winter. 5 children have frozen to death so far. Children are being killed/injured by unexploded Israeli ordnance. You can surely “figure it out”, yonah.

      • Kay24
        February 21, 2015, 5:44 am

        There are many good Israelis that try to help the Palestinians. I remember some time ago, a group of them had organized some Palestinian women to go to the beach and enjoy some time there. That shows there is kindness among some. We also know the groups you mention who risk their lives by working hard to keep the humanitarian help, and act as record keepers of the numerous crimes by Israel. Unfortunately the perpetrators have the megaphone, and control of the message, that is sent to the world, especially the US.

      • just
        February 21, 2015, 6:13 am

        It’s mob mentality. Look at what Lehava does. Look at what the ‘settlers’ do. Look what happened when anti- Occupation Israelis peacefully demonstrated against the latest slaughter in Gaza:

        “Are you a fucking leftist?’ –Israeli fascists target anti-occupation activists in Tel Aviv

        …What first may seem like hyperbole is in fact exactly what pro-Palestinian, anti-occupation Jewish-Israeli activists have been describing for the last week: mobs of right-wing fascists chasing peaceful protesters and violently attacking them in the centers of West Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/fascists-occupation-activists#sthash.cZxkN0ud.dpuf

        Incited by mobster, fascist Israeli ‘leaders’. Inspired by the IOF. People partying on a hill, cheering as WMD rain down on Gaza. A mob.

      • yonah fredman
        February 21, 2015, 6:27 am

        just,

        gaza is a f*** up. i know that those of you who hate Israel like to call it a war crime, but i’m no hater of israel and no lawyer, so I call it a f*** up. I have not figured out how to stop it and turn the policy around. I have figured out what I would do, or at least who I would ask if I had the power. (I would ask ari shavit and former mossad chiefs as well as avrum burg and uri avnery (and amira hass and ahmed tibi) and peter beinart and bradley burston, and finally amram mitzna. That’s how i’d decide with mitzna getting the last word.) what i haven’t figured out is how to turn my attitude into something that i can incorporate into my life: as in: all the people i know who support israel are not nearly as troubled by gaza as I feel and my “communication” here on mondoweiss is with people some of whom I would call debating opponents, but others i would call enemies. (“Blowback” as it is used by these enemies in terms of Paris and Denmark means that you are drawing a bull’s eye on my back here in the golus. and thus you are threatening the peace of me and my city with its mixed Jewish and Muslim populations.)

      • just
        February 21, 2015, 6:47 am

        Here’s another article that can help you “figure it out”, yonah:

        “Khuzaa, Gaza – Upon entering Khuzaa, a Palestinian town in the southern Gaza Strip, visitors are confronted by ubiquitous destruction.

        Homes, schools, supermarkets and mosques were destroyed in last summer’s Operation Protective Edge, Israel’s third major offensive on the Gaza Strip since 2008. The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs estimates the Palestinian death toll at more than 2,000, about three-quarters of whom were civilians. Israeli casualties amounted to 66 soldiers and four civilians. Khuzaa, with a population of roughly 9,000, was significantly impacted in the war.
        “There is ample evidence to show that the Israeli army carried out gross violations of international law, including war crimes,” Saleh Hijazi, a Middle East researcher for Amnesty International, told Al Jazeera. Amnesty is currently finalising its analysis of testimonies and other material for a report detailing the actions of the Israeli army in Khuzaa and elsewhere.”

        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/legal-battles-horizon-ruins-gaza-150212072631357.html

      • Mooser
        February 21, 2015, 4:54 pm

        “all the people i know who support israel are not nearly as troubled by gaza as I feel and my “communication” here on mondoweiss is with people some of whom I would call debating opponents, but others i would call enemies”

        Yup, Yonah, the thought that you might have to think for yourself, instead of just comfortably babbling whatever the people around you say is a frightening thought, isn’t it?

        So I’m an enemy, Yonah? Get it through your head, chump, my blood is as type-J+ as your’s any day! No matter how much you would like to hurt me, I get a tribal unity exemption from any attacks by Jews. And nobody has ever broken a wedding or Bar Mitvah truce, so don’t even think about it!

      • Mooser
        February 21, 2015, 4:58 pm

        “but others i would call enemies.”

        Oh, you have “enemies” here? Heavens above, how you flatter yourself.

      • Giles
        February 22, 2015, 8:33 am

        “Gaza is almost six months away”……. in other words, way in the past and so we must no longer bring it up.

        That way we can spend more time obsessing on the Jewish Holocaust as 70 years ago is apparently the present when it comes to that sacred event.

      • eljay
        February 22, 2015, 9:14 am

        || y.f.: … (“Blowback” as it is used by these enemies in terms of Paris and Denmark means that you are drawing a bull’s eye on my back here in the golus. and thus you are threatening the peace of me and my city with its mixed Jewish and Muslim populations.) ||

        JeffBeee recently stated quite anti-Semitically that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews. I denounced his statement.

        But not a single Zio-supremacist who frequents this site – including you – has bothered even to comment on JeffBeee’s blatant anti-Semitism, despite the fact that his statement draws a bull’s eye on your back and threatens your peace.

        Why is that, y.f.? Why do you get worked up over the most questionable instances of anti-Semitism, but find it acceptable for a Zio-supremacist like JeffBeee to overtly make statements that are clearly anti-Semitic?

      • Mooser
        February 22, 2015, 3:25 pm

        “Why is that, y.f.? Why do you get worked up over….”

        “eljay” I think the problem is clear, as it has lasted across at least two threads. Yonah sees everybody expressing empathy and sympathy for these Muslim students, and it is driving him nuts. So much so that above pulls out every corpse in the family vault in a disgraceful exhibition of the trivialization of Jewish suffering. Wow!

      • pjdude
        February 23, 2015, 11:47 am

        @yonah. it is a war crime. that is an irrefutatable fact. to pretend other wise is insanity. their is no honest way to look at the facts and come to any other conclusion. that you like the terrorist enterprise of Israel doesn’t changes the facts which is it was created on terrorism and war crimes and the terrorism and war crimes continue today with a vast majority supporting them.

        and no where not putting a bullseye on your back your doing that by supporting terrorism and war crimes.

    • just
      February 21, 2015, 7:40 am

      Also in Norway:

      “Anti-Muslim tirades stun government

      Three veteran politicians of the conservative Progress Party have launched anti-Muslim and anti-immigration tirades this week that have surprised even those accustomed to their occasional outbursts.”

      http://www.newsinenglish.no/

    • DavidDaoud
      February 21, 2015, 4:30 pm

      Just, please let us know how that event went and if the protection was well received or not.

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 9:01 am

        It went very well, DavidDaoud. Here’s just one article from AFP :

        “Oslo (AFP) – Norwegian Muslims organised a peace vigil in Oslo Saturday in a show of solidarity with Jews a week after fatal shootings in Denmark targeted a synagogue and free speech seminar.

        As the small mainly elderly Jewish congregation filed out of the synagogue after Shabbat prayers, a group of young Muslims, many of them teenage girls wearing headscarves, formed a symbolic ring outside the building to roaring applause from a crowd of more than 1,000 people.

        “This shows that there are many more peacemakers than war-makers,” 37-year-old Zeeshan Abdullah, one of the organisers told the crowd.

        “There is still hope for humanity, for peace and love across religious differences and background,” he added, before a traditional Shabbat ceremony was held in the open air with many demonstrators adding their voices to the Hebrew chants.

        Norway’s chief rabbi appeared visibly moved when he said it was the first time the ceremony had taken place outdoors with so many people.

        – ‘Look to Norway’ –

        “It is unique that Muslims stand to this degree against anti-Semitism and that fills us with hope… particularly as it’s a grassroots movement of young Muslims,” said Norway’s Jewish community leader Ervin Kohn, adding that the rest of the world should “look to Norway”.

        “Working against fear alone is difficult and it is good that we are so many here together today.””

        Much more @ http://news.yahoo.com/copenhagen-shootings-norways-muslims-jews-195100141.html

        I disagree with Ervin Kohn. There’s hardly anything “unique” about Muslims doing what these Norwegians did. If only more of these good works and actions were considered worthy to report.

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 9:17 am

        Ah well, here’s the negative from JTA~ sadly, all too predictable.

        “But some members of his community said the event was tainted because of anti-Semitic statements that one of its eight organizers made in 2008, and because he said this week that he dislikes people who support Israel.”

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.643633?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      • Mayhem
        February 24, 2015, 1:11 am

        The man who organised the Muslim ‘human shield’ to protect a synagogue blamed Jews for 9/11.

        Ali Chishti admitted he believed in Jewish conspiracy theories as recently as 2009. He gave a speech at an debate in 2009 where he questioned whether Jewish people had advance knowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. At a March 2008 meeting in Oslo promoting his 9/11 conspiracy theory that the Jews were responsible for the World Trade Center attacks, Chishti read a speech titled, “Therefore I Hate Jews And Gays,”. He now describes his comments at the time as “outrageous” and says his views on community relations had been on a journey.

        “I have reflected some state of affairs since then. I was quite angry at the time. After that meeting I discussed Islam part, and I eventually got a nuanced picture of the whole,” he told the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang.

        But there is more to this feel good story:

        According to Haaretz the event featured a human chain around Oslo’s main synagogue by more than 1,000 people, many of them Muslim.

        But this was a media beatup where in fact just 20 Muslims holding hands become 1,000-Strong ‘Ring of Peace’ at the Oslo Synagogue.

        As it turns out, as many as 40 times more Northern European Muslims attended the funeral of a Copenhagen Muslim terrorist than those who decided to form the non-existent “ring of peace” around an Oslo synagogue.

      • Mooser
        February 24, 2015, 12:53 pm

        “The man who organised the Muslim ‘human shield’ to protect a synagogue blamed Jews for 9/11. “ “Mayhem”

        Mayhem, my friend, a large capacity for forgiveness is the mark of a real moral man. I mean, it’s breathtaking, isn’t it? He blames “the Jews” for 9-11, and now he is protecting them! That, my fiend, is taking the large, generous view, and acting accordingly!

        You blame Muslims for everything! Have you protected any lately?

      • eljay
        February 24, 2015, 1:18 pm

        || Mayhem @ February 24, 2015, 1:11 am ||

        Since you’re here, would you please share with us your thoughts on JeffB’s anti-Semitic assertion that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews?

        I’ve condemned his assertion, but not a single Zio-supremacist here on MW (you, jon s, y.f., DaBakr, Mikhael, Palikari, ivri, Mayhem, etc.) has yet to say anything about it. Why is this?

        So: Do you approve of his assertion or do you condemn it? I’d really like to know. Thanks!

    • jayn0t
      February 21, 2015, 9:51 pm

      Sometimes, this site has a bit too much sitting around singing “Kumbaya” and not enough critical thought.

      “‘Islam is about protecting our brothers and sisters, regardless of which religion they belong to”.

      Nice – but is it really true?

      • Marnie
        February 22, 2015, 2:31 am

        As far as not enough critical thought – maybe feed your head with Yahooooooo news, Arutz Sheva, Israel H’Yom, Jerusalem Post, Ha’aretz to name a few. So many more critical thinkers and they sound just like you. Kumbayfuckingya!

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 9:20 am

        Palestinians protect and care for each other~ no matter their religion or lack thereof. Muslims, Christians and Jews used to live in “peace” together in the Holy Land of Palestine.

        When was the last time that an Israeli Jew protected or cared for a Muslim?

      • Mooser
        February 22, 2015, 3:56 pm

        “Nice – but is it really true?”

        Naturally, you are prepared to draw conclusions about that and defend them. I’m sure you are well-equipped to make general judgements about a couple billion people.

      • eljay
        February 22, 2015, 4:13 pm

        || jayn0t: Nice – but is it really true? ||

        Nice, yes, but true only for those who protect their brothers and sisters regardless of which religion they belong to.

        IMO, there’s considerably more value in saying “Justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied, are about protecting everyone.”

      • Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 11:32 am

        “Sometimes, this site has a bit too much sitting around singing “Kumbaya” and not enough critical thought.”

        Here, “Jaynot” , stick this where….or, rather, uh, I mean here, learn to love it

        Gosh, I’ve never seen millions of people become such experts on the characteristics of religion in such a short time before. Well, except for people who know all about the Jews, I guess.

      • just
        February 25, 2015, 3:55 pm

        One of my favorites, Mooser.

        thanks.

  9. just
    February 21, 2015, 11:01 am

    A beautiful remembrance, via Mads Gilbert’s FB:

    “Dr. Mads Gilbert
    Razan Abu-Salha killed in #USA , #ChapelHillShooting”

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=634330930006721

    RIP.

    • Marnie
      February 22, 2015, 2:27 am

      Wow – just breaks my heart. What beautiful young people.

    • bintbiba
      February 25, 2015, 2:09 pm

      Mooser… Thank you for that beautiful rendition of “Amazing Grace’ by the Soweto Gospel Choir.
      This unbeliever ‘wretch’ can still be calmed and soothed by music such as this.

      A very old wise ,man from the Sahara desert once said “A person who does not enjoy life must have a very rusty heart ” !
      To those evil people who ban music and joy… and especially women’s voice must be beyond ‘rusty’ , beyond civilized .

      • bintbiba
        February 25, 2015, 2:33 pm

        correction : ‘must be beyond rusty, beyond uncivilized’ !

      • Bornajoo
        February 25, 2015, 3:00 pm

        well said Bintbiba!

        Yes, many thanks Mooser. Just saw it. Really great!

  10. jayn0t
    February 21, 2015, 9:30 pm

    “Defending a religious liberty issue in 2012 does not preclude an individual from committing a crime based on hate in 2015.”

    No, but it makes it less likely that it really was a “crime based on hate”. And more likely that the guy’s simply a nut.

    “a crime that seemingly had a bias component to it” – somehow, this careful phrase doesn’t fit in with the rest of the article.

    • Mooser
      February 22, 2015, 11:25 am

      ” And more likely that the guy’s simply a nut.”

      So, “Not guilty by reason of insanity” and let off with a promise to seek counseling would be the just result?
      After all, he doesn’t hate all Muslims, just the extremists who take his parking spaces.

  11. MHughes976
    February 23, 2015, 2:54 pm

    The Tammy Myers murder this month in ?Las Vegas suggests that crazy killing is quite possible without being ‘explicable’ by religious or racial feelings.
    The perpetrators in both events must in some sense have hated the victims – what other emotion – at least decisive emotion – could they possibly have felt? Mind you, I’m not sure that hatred is ‘worse’ if it’s religious rather than egoistic. The horrible attack on George Galloway turned out not to be ‘religiously aggravated’ and therefore somehow not quite so bad. I wasn’t thrilled about that.

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