Jewish groups that blindly support Israel make US and European Jews potential victims of violence — Avnery

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Uri Avnery’s latest column is an important one; it says that the attacks on Jews in Europe are not anti-Semitic in the classic definition, but are an outgrowth of the conflict between Zionism and indigenous people in the Middle East and the transformation of that conflict into a global religious war.

Practically all the alarming incidents which have taken place in Europe recently – especially in Paris and Copenhagen – in which Jews were killed or attacked – had nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

All these outrages were conducted by young Muslims, mostly of Arab descent. They were part of the ongoing war between Israelis and Arabs that has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. They are not descended from the pogrom in Kishinev and not related to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion…

Avnery says there are two reasons for the French attacks. One is Algerian Muslims’ ongoing resentment for the role that Jews played in the maintenance of French colonialism in Algeria. And:

The second reason is the ongoing Arab-Zionist conflict, which started with the mass immigration of Jews to Arab Palestine, continued with the long list of wars and is now in full bloom. Practically every Arab in the world, and most Muslims are emotionally involved in the conflict.

And Avnery goes further when he says that the Israelis and the Israel lobby are making Jews potential targets by conflating Judaism and Zionism and failing to criticize Israeli policy:

But what have French Jews to do with that far-away conflict? Everything.

When Binyamin Netanyahu does not miss an opportunity to declare that he represents all the Jews in the world, he makes all the world’s Jews responsible for Israeli policies and actions.

When Jewish institutions in France, the US and everywhere totally and uncritically identify with the policies and operations of Israel, such as the recent Gaza war, they turn themselves voluntarily into potential victims of revenge actions. The French Jewish leadership, CRIF, [the Conseil Représentatif des Institutions juives de France] did so just now.

Neither of these reasons has anything to do with anti-Semitism…

He cites the fact that Muslims and Jews long got along in the Arab world.

Throughout the ages there were some rare anti-Jewish (and anti-Christian) outbreaks here and there, but Jews in Muslim lands fared incomparably better than in Christian ones.

If this had not been so, there would have been no “Golden Age” of Muslim-Jewish cultural symbiosis in medieval Spain. It would have been impossible for the Muslim Ottoman empire to accept and absorb almost all the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from medieval Spain, driven out by their Catholic Majesties, Ferdinand and Isabella. The outstanding Jewish religious thinker, Moses Maimonides (the “Rambam”) could not have become the personal physician and adviser of the outstanding Muslim sultan, Salah-al-Din al-Ayubi (Saladin).

The present conflict started as a clash between two national movements, Jewish Zionism and secular Arab nationalism, and had only slight religious overtones. As my friends and I have warned many times, it is now turning into a religious conflict – a calamity with potentially grievous consequences.

By the way, Alice Rothchild said last week in NY:

“Basically I feel like the way the Israeli state functions is really a danger to Jews. Not only to Palestinians but also to Jews. We need to really think about, What does Zionism mean. Was it a good idea? We must look at what happened. That really triggers a lot of people.”
Why move to country whose belligerent actions are partially responsible for the growing lack of security among Jewish communities in Europe and other places?

And Bruce Shipman said in his famous letter to the New York Times. Excerpts:

Deborah E. Lipstadt makes far too little of the relationship between Israel’s policies in the West Bank and Gaza and growing anti-Semitism in Europe and beyond.

The trend to which she alludes parallels the carnage in Gaza over the last five years, not to mention the perpetually stalled peace talks and the continuing occupation of the West Bank.

I’ve got to start keeping a list.

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  1. just
    February 21, 2015, 1:59 pm

    Huzzah!

    Kudos for the emerging truth! It’s trending… looks like you’ll have to keep updating that list, Phil.

    ;-)

    • JWalters
      February 21, 2015, 8:47 pm

      Totally agree! The discussion moves forward, step by step.

      Here’s Israeli singer Liel with a chorus of Jewish and Muslim children singing John Lennon’s lyrics, “Imagine there’s no countries, .. nothing to kill or die for, no religion too”. Bill Clinton gets roped in, and the audience includes leading Israeli politicians. What are they thinking?

  2. pabelmont
    February 21, 2015, 2:30 pm

    Wait until Jews (such as pro-Palestinian Open Hillel folks, such as JVP folks, such as a few J-Street folks (not the leadership)) start to tell the Zionist Stalwarts that they (the ZSs) are endangering Jews everywhere! Making Jews feel unsafe (on and off campus)!

    When will we have rabbis telling their congregations that aligning with Israel makes Jews unsafe world-wide — and EXPLAIN WHY!

    NB: The explanation requires telling the congregations unsavory facts about Israel-in-Palestine which Arabs and Muslims everywhere already know but which hasbara-fed Jews have been spared (denied knowledge of).

    • Krauss
      February 22, 2015, 10:22 am

      I don’t buy Avnery’s explanation at all. Sure, Zionism has probably contributed to anti-Semitism because it is a settler-colonial project and the vast majority of Jewish establishment institutions are behind it, 100%.

      But to explain away muslim anti-Semitism by Israel and/or Algeria is to ignore the genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world.

      The way that Israel incites against Palestinians is often not better but two wrongs do not make one right.

      P.S. The direct link to Avnery’s column is here:

      http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1424446157/

      • Annie Robbins
        February 22, 2015, 11:52 am

        genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world.

        you’re reading way too much hasbara.

      • gamal
        February 22, 2015, 12:57 pm

        “But to explain away muslim anti-Semitism by Israel and/or Algeria is to ignore the genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world.”

        what is it with you guys larry d on another thread said Palestinians (Arabs in his parlance) shouldnt serve in the IDF, as Arabs are the enemy, SLA? who had fare less reason to fight for Israel than putative citizens. Your dishonest statement above speaks for itself, however the “More often than not the norm” prevarication shows you that know you are talking out of your arse,

        What precisely is it that Uri didnt explain “away”, I get tired of hearing that euphemistic construction “American Exceptionalism” it means American superiority, ” since you were unimpressed by Uri how would you explain

        “the genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world.”

        You really should, it might be cathartic.

        here’s some incitement and it is genocidal:

        “Opinion: How did we end up cheering for Israel?

        Many have welcomed with cheers the sudden Israeli strike on Sunday that killed six Hezbollah members and a general in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps who, for some reason, were secretly present in Syria’s Quneitra region.

        The cheering for this act on social networking platforms is an expression of anger and indignation, and we’ve even sensed these feelings expressed by sympathizers with Islamist groups.

        This represents a huge change of feelings about Hezbollah, due to its heinous actions in targeting its rivals in Lebanon and its involvement in the killing of thousands in Syria. Many of those who have shifted from admiring Hezbollah to hating the group did so in less than a decade.

        These people used to support Hezbollah in Lebanon in the past and they used to adopt the Shi’ite group’s political and military agenda. Anger began to surface when Hezbollah’s militias occupied west Beirut during the events of May 7, 2008, three years after the party’s involvement in the assassination of Sunni leader Rafik Hariri.”

        http://defence.pk/threads/asharq-al-awsat-how-did-we-end-up-cheering-for-israel.354842/

        and MEM

        Egyptian media praises the Israeli aggression on Gaza

        “Many readers and viewers of the Egyptian media seem perplexed by its coverage of the Israeli aggression on Gaza Strip especially as it praises its aerial raids against innocent civilians and describe it as a “war on terrorism”.

        The strangest incident occurred when Israel’s Channel Two praised an Egyptian TV host who called on the Egyptian Army to explicitly help the Israeli army to eliminate Hamas for supporting ousted President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

        The host and her channel’s position reflect the incitement campaign waged by the major Egyptian newspapers and TV channels against Hamas, calling it an “internal occupier, not less dangerous than a foreign occupier”.

        A group of Egyptian journalists and writers gloated over targeting Hamas and condemned its reaction to the Israeli aggression by firing missiles at Israeli cities, claiming it was “an attempt to embarrass Egypt and President Abdel Fatah Al-Sisi”.

        CBC TV station described the Israeli targets in Gaza as terrorist targets.

        https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/africa/13037-egyptian-media-praises-the-israeli-aggression-on-gaza

      • Mooser
        February 22, 2015, 4:18 pm

        “genocidal(yes, that’s the word) incitement against Jews which is more often than not the norm in the Arab world”

        So that’s why that bus nearly ran me over this morning! It was close.

      • Walid
        February 23, 2015, 4:09 am

        1. “Many of those who have shifted from admiring Hezbollah to hating the group did so in less than a decade…

        2. … Anger began to surface when Hezbollah’s militias occupied west Beirut during the events of May 7, 2008,” (al-Shark al-Awsat/gamal)

        gamal, for number 1, this is totally false and wishful thinking by the pro-US faction. Hizbullah is admired more than ever especially that it has been fighting ISIS and losing hundreds of men in Syria to prevent the terrorists from entering Lebanon. A couple of years back, ISIS declared that once it finishes mopping up Syria, itwas heading into Lebanon and this is when Hizbullah decided to take the fight to them in Syria and in doing so turned the tide for Assad that was about to lose it all.

        As to number 2 about the May 7, 2008 takeover of the country by Hizbullah, this other piece of propaganda has been repeated so often by the Pro-US faction in Lebanon that it has started believing it. While the takeover was very real and it took all of 6 hours to complete, what is not being written for obvious reasons is that 2 days before, the pro-US government had a midnight meeting and resolved to put out Hizbullah’s lights by dismantling its private land line phone system, especially that it had just been concluded by the Winograd Commission that the defeat of the Israeli forces in 2006 was attributed to Hizbullah’s land communications network. The move on Hizbullah began with Jumblat revealing on TV the map of Hizbullah’s secret communications network. The next morning Nasrallah on TV gave the order to his people for the first time in Hizbullah’s history to defend themselves by any means. Thousands of kids from the north of the country with no training that had been supposedly hired as security agents for commercial buildings by the pro-US faction were armed and bussed to Beirut unknowingly to take on a fully militarized Hizbullah. Within hours, the thousands of kids with zero training were routed by Hizbullah and handed over to the army and all strategic positions also taken over by Hizbullah and transferred to the army. Within a couple of days, Hizbullah fighters disappeared from view as fast as they had appeared and the country went back to being normal. That’s what happened on May 7th. The army eventually released all the kids as it was concluded that they had no knowledge of why they had been hired and even less knowledge that they were being sent to Beirut to take on Hizbullah.

        3. al-Shark al-Awsat is a Saudi publication owned by the royals that back and fund the pro-US faction in Lebanon.

      • gamal
        February 23, 2015, 5:30 am

        couldnt agree any more Walid, i was making a point unrelated to the truth or otherwise of the linked articles, you are of course quite correct in all particulars, i am not in anyway endorsing the out put of as-Sharq et al, sure its propaganda, its in the “media” so what else would it be?

      • Mooser
        February 23, 2015, 7:50 pm

        “you’re reading way too much hasbara.”

        Ouch!

  3. pabelmont
    February 21, 2015, 2:54 pm

    Jews that “blindly” support Israel. Well, harrrumpfff. What to say about Jews who support Israel with their eyes wide open to the racism, the lawlessness, the cruelty and murderous violence, the pogroms, the unaccountability, (and on and on)? Jews that support Israel knowing all that are almost deliberately endangering Jews world-wide.

    Meanwhile we keep hearing of Jews still living in Iran, Morocco, Lebanon, etc., their homes, though in reduced numbers due in various ways to Zionism.

  4. hophmi
    February 21, 2015, 6:43 pm

    So someone shoots up a kosher supermarket and the reason is the role Jews played in Algeria?

    Why Jews? Why not French government officials?

    Because the entire theory is BS, just like everything Avnery writes.

    It is antisemitic to blame Jews for their own persecution. Period. And if your argument is that because a member of a religious group does something you don’t like in one place, other members of that group should die in another place, then you’re just making an argument for why Westerners should slaughter Arabs and Muslims en masse. Disgusting. Disgusting and shameful, Phil.

    • eGuard
      February 21, 2015, 9:32 pm

      Grumpy hopmy: So someone shoots up a kosher supermarket and the reason is the role Jews played in Algeria? For your peanut mind: yes.

      • DaBakr
        February 21, 2015, 10:26 pm

        @egd

        for your peanut mind that is still Jew-hatred or what some call anti-semitism

      • hophmi
        February 21, 2015, 10:46 pm

        Then you’re an idiot. Only an idiot would believe such aberrant nonsense.

      • Real Jew
        February 22, 2015, 2:14 am

        Dabakr, so you’re pretending not to see Averny’s logic so you can once again claim victimhood to an ever hostile jew hating world.

        Antisemetic incidents rise sharply across the world when the IDF conducts military operations against gaza and slaughters hundreds of children. And you expect people to believe this is unrelated? Stop your nonsensical prattle. No one is buying it

      • Mooser
        February 23, 2015, 1:49 pm

        Gosh, why doesn’t Israel make a public, international proclamation, declaring it represents only the Jews within it’s (ha ha) borders, and the rest of the Jews in the world are not, and should not be held responsible for what Israel does?

        Seems only right, if Israel is interested in protecting other Jews from the consequences of Israel’s actions.

    • Dutch
      February 21, 2015, 11:18 pm

      [… should die …]

      The point of the piece is that these others ‘are dieing’. As in right now, under your eyes. Phil and Ury don’t present an argument for some future case, but a fact.

      Your frame doesn’t suffice for blaming Phil. I hope you agree.

    • RoHa
      February 21, 2015, 11:24 pm

      “It is antisemitic to blame Jews for their own persecution.”

      So what? The important question is whether Jews are, to any extent, to blame for the persecution of Jews.

      (JeffB seems to suggest that they are.)

      Note that saying “the persecution of some Jews is, at least partially, a result of the anti-social activities and/or attitudes of some other Jews” does not in any way imply that the persecution is justified.

      • Mooser
        February 23, 2015, 1:51 pm

        RoHa, I’m sure Israel will straighten this all out, by making sure everybody knows that only the Jews within Israel’s borders are responsible for what Israel does.

    • pjdude
      February 22, 2015, 1:18 am

      and people like you are the reason bigotry will never die. No one is saying that people should die for what others do. but the simple fact remains if your going out of your way to cause harm to a group expect backlash against your group. acknowledging the consequences of zionist actions doesn’t mean the victims deserved to die. you might support collective punishment hop we don’t.

      • Kathleen
        February 22, 2015, 10:27 am

        However one would have to argue there are plenty of fundamentalist Christian who also support Israel no matter what. Are we witnessing more violence committed towards fundamentalist Christians in general?

        There are no excuses for violence. Although one can try to understand the pent up extreme anger that some may feel. Also the pent up fear that many Jews feel and act out through support of Israel no matter how many Palestinians Israel kills, homes destroyed, etc.

      • pjdude
        February 23, 2015, 11:59 pm

        @ kathleen not really most of them are in the states and so far protected from the consequences of their actions. but you misunderstand me if you think i’m excusing violence. My ethics are influenced by the wiccan rede ” an it harm none, do as ye will” but I’m also a firm believer if you want to stop something from happening you have to understand why its happening something i feel zionists don’t want to because it will reflect on their actions.

    • Bornajoo
      February 22, 2015, 7:25 am

      @Hophmi
      “And if your argument is that because a member of a religious group does something you don’t like in one place, other members of that group should die in another place, then you’re just making an argument for why Westerners should slaughter Arabs and Muslims en masse. Disgusting. Disgusting and shameful, Phil.”

      Are you really a lawyer? Did you really read that message on Phil’s post? Where on earth did you get the word SHOULD from?? Nobody is saying “other members of that group should die”. Not Phil, not Avnery, not anyone, except you.

      The point is that innocent people from a particular group DO die as a result of actions of others from the same group. It’s horrible, it’s misguided and it’s blowback. Not anti semitism

      Nobody SHOULD die. Or is that concept very difficult for you unconditional zionist/Israeli supporters to understand?

      Oh and by the way, westerners have already killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims as collective punishment for the actions of a few other Muslims. Shall we start with Iraq and go from there? Is it okay when governments do it? Like for example the mass murder in Gaza. Save your sanctimonious words of “disgusting” and “shameful” for who really deserves it.

    • Giles
      February 22, 2015, 7:57 am

      We all know it is anti-Semitic to blame Israel for anything Israel does.

      Yet we also know it is just fine to kill thousands of people in Gaza as they must be held responsible for the crime of voting for Hamas when Israel did not want them to do so.

      Anyone else getting a little sick and tired of these racists running around screaming “Jew hatred”?

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 8:12 am

        yes.

      • Kathleen
        February 22, 2015, 10:20 am

        yes

      • Krauss
        February 22, 2015, 10:24 am

        Giles you destroyed him.

    • eljay
      February 22, 2015, 8:54 am

      || hophmeee: … if your argument is that because a member of a religious group does something you don’t like in one place, other members of that group should die in another place, then you’re just making an argument for why Westerners should slaughter Arabs and Muslims en masse. Disgusting. Disgusting and shameful, Phil. ||

      It’s interesting that you expressed no disgust – that you said nothing, actually – when JeffBeee anti-Semitically stated that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews. Why is that, hophmeee? Why did you give JeffBeee a free pass on anti-Semitism?

      I’ve drawn your attention to it on at least to other occasions, but you have yet to say anything about his blatantly anti-Semitic assertion. Why is that, hophmeee? Why do you continue to give JeffBeee a free pass on anti-Semitism?

      • tree
        February 22, 2015, 10:04 pm

        Why do you continue to give JeffBeee a free pass on anti-Semitism?

        I’ve noticed the same selective judgment from hophmi and yonah (and occasionally TokyoBK) in the past. There was a poster named “eee” who used to constantly insist that the only real Jews were those who supported Israel 100%, and he tried to personally excommunicate several other Jews here, including Phil, Shmuel, Hostage, and a few others who criticized Israeli actions. Never a peep from either one of the “liberal Zionists” here arguing that not all Jews felt the same way, but of course if an anti-Zionist, or even a non-Zionist or a non-Jew, said the same thing, oh my God, the invective would flow, and the A-word would fly high and mightily.

        The only way I can understand the phenomenon is to suppose that hophmi really doesn’t mind gross over generalizations about Jews as long as its couched in approving terms by a Jew who claims to care deeply about “the Jews”. (As opposed to caring about individual Jews or even groups of Jews, whom they would quickly wish under the bus if those people don’t follow the Zionist group think). Which is why, despite their stated desire to “dialogue”, they really don’t feel any need to disagree with Zionist Jews to the right of them, despite the prevalence of anti-semitic tropes coming from the mouths of more right-wing ZIonist posters here.

      • Mooser
        February 23, 2015, 1:53 pm

        ” and he tried to personally excommunicate several other Jews here,”

        But not me, he never tried to excommunicate me. I guess he knew a hopeless case when he saw one.

    • ckg
      February 23, 2015, 10:21 am

      @hophmi Understanding and explaining a phenomenon is not the same as condoning it. “Surely we must understand their feelings even if we do not condone their actions.”–MLK Jr.

  5. OyVey00
    February 21, 2015, 10:30 pm

    It might be strange for me of all people to point this out, but the Jews are not a monolithical group.

    I doubt that the Jews in charge of zionism and the Israel lobby have any qualms about sacrificing a few of their co-ethnics to further their agenda. Those who matter are living in gated mansions with surveillance cameras and security personnel anyway, so they won’t be affected by this violence.

    • SQ Debris
      February 22, 2015, 1:02 pm

      Keeping that $8 million dollar a day conveyor belt of U.S. tax payer money flowing into the zionist regime’s coffers is worth how much blood? Plenty, and it doesn’t matter whose. When Jews die in blow-back attacks, the “we need money to defend Jews” argument gets red sauce. It would be a mistake to underrate the role of self interest on the part of the zionist elite in ginning up reprisals. The Maim the Children Crusade launched by the IDF during the first Intifadah is a perfect example. It was a studied program of incitement.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      February 22, 2015, 3:04 pm

      They have a long history of “sacrificing a few of their co-ethnics to further their agenda” or even more than a few if “necessary.” In order to create and populate their “Jewish state” they did all they could to block schemes to save European Jews that would have meant taking them to countries other than Palestine, killed Jews (as well as non-Jews) in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, assassinated Jews (as well as non-Jews) trying to achieve an insufficiently Zionist resolution of the conflict, blew up Jewish cafes in Egypt and Iraq to stampede Jews to Israel, etc. etc.

  6. Brewer
    February 21, 2015, 11:22 pm

    Glad to see an established Israeli figure opening this can of worms. Apart from dropping a few hints I have been reluctant to tackle it overtly, even in this forum where I rarely feel inhibited.
    Emboldened by Avneri I’ll take a shot.

    Anti-Semitism is a very odd concept in that it posits that an action is of a particular type if (and only if) the recipient is of a certain group.
    Almost everyone has been subject to prejudice at some stage or other. I have been physically assaulted on one occasion because I was (very wrongly) perceived to be a member of the white establishment here in NZ. Another occasion I was severely beaten (by an ex-middleweight and light-heavy champion of Australia) for being a rather young and precocious boss (a hazardous position in the Australia of the sixties). These were common assaults but, had I been Jewish, they would most likely (and very easily) be attributed to anti-Semitism. Who could possibly prove otherwise?
    Racist acts are the same class of action when perpetrated against members of any group. The identity of the victim is not (or at least should not be) relevant to the act, its severity or the response, yet if a Jew is the victim of racism or assault, that is exactly what happens – the act takes on a different name, motive and response and what is more, other acts or speech that would not normally be considered racist (e.g. political, critical) can now be included, bringing the full weight of every crime against every individual Jew throughout History behind the the severity of the “crime”.
    We do not do this in any other case. For example, should someone use the “N” word or criticise MLK, we do not link that person to the lynchings and burnings of yesterday’s South. If the victim is Chinese, we do not reference imperialist crime against China. No criticism of Arab States is regarded as racism.
    As a humanist, I do not subscribe to exeptionalism in any form. It is itself a type of racism, one that is currently being yoked to the justification of State-sanctioned, vicious and violent racism in Palestine.

    “Anti-Semitism” is a “Humpty Dumpty” term that is starting to mean whatever the user demands. This lack of specificity allows evil users to malign a huge class of people to whom racism of any kind is anathema and to manipulate statistics and public opinion into justifying murder and mayhem. As the scope of its reach increases, its meaning diminishes.
    As such it belongs on the scrapheap of History.

    • jimby
      February 22, 2015, 7:08 am

      Great comment Brewer. Thanks for posting.
      I have the impression when I hear friends say they were picked on for being Jewish that they were just being picked on. On the playground if you wore glasses, had pimples, a weird middle name, first name, skinny, fat or somehow different they kids would pick on those and if they found that it was effective it often became more intense. I suspect this is the root of much of the so called anti-antisemitism.

    • JeffB
      February 22, 2015, 7:10 pm

      @Brewer —

      I’d love anti-Semitism to be in the scrap heap of history. The problem is that it isn’t. Objectively Jews are a tiny population. Objectively Israel is a tiny slice of a peninsula whose main importance to the west is oil, and that slice doesn’t have any. So were it not for anti-Semitism Jews would get classified with the other 1000 tribes that westerners don’t like but don’t particularly care about. There wouldn’t’ be a Mondoweiss because no one would care. Sure there might be lip service paid people don’t like the droughts caused by Eritrea governent’s mismanagement and they don’t like that Israeli’s dominant tribe picks on another tribe that lives locally. But they wouldn’t really care.

      The idea that Christians should care about Jews, that what Jews do is of cosmic moral importance is the core anti-Semtism. Avnery’s example of killing Jews because you are upset about what happened in Algeria while possibly a mean thing to do is not really anti-Semtisim. That’s the kind of normal cultural revenge (now frequently called terrorism) that most national groups are subject to. Anti-Semitism has to be rooted in the belief that Jews are knowingly furthering the objectives of the King of this World (Satan). So the classic expressions of anti-Semtisim are things like:
      • Jews are behind a plan for global conquest,
      • Jews work through Masonic lodges,
      • Jews use liberalism to weaken church and state,
      • Jews control the press,
      • Jews work through radicals and revolutionaries,
      • Jews manipulate the economy, especially through banking monopolies and the power of gold,
      • Jews encourage issuing paper currency not tied to the gold standard,
      • Jews promote financial speculation and use of credit,
      • Jews replace traditional educational curriculum to discourage independent thinking,
      • Jews encourage immorality among Christian youth,
      • Jews use intellectuals to confuse people,
      • Jews control “puppet” governments both through secret allies and by blackmailing elected officials,
      • Jews weaken laws through liberal interpretations,
      • Jews will suspend civil liberties during an emergency and then make the measures permanent.

      You see this argument on this board all the time the 3rd from last, “Jews control ‘puppet’ governments both through secret allies and by blackmailing elected officials, ” is the one you see on Mondoweiss most commonly with regarding to AIPAC. Even though the polling shows that the pro-Israel position is quite popular with the American public and that congress is just reflecting the public’s view. There is this paranoia about this lobby. There is a Christian theme that power induces moral corruption: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God . And Jews end up in this story becoming the means by which those good Christian in the legislature are corrupted.

      Chinese or Arabs or whatever don’t deal with this theme of a deep underground evil. They may have to deal with other problems. For example Jews aren’t associated with violent crime and lack of emotional control. That’s a specific problem to anti-black racism that’s not present in anti-Semitism.

      Why should you as a Christian humanist in Australia even know who the Jews are much less have strong opinions about their territorial disputes? Do you normally know about tribes that are .15% of the world’s population?

    • Kris
      February 22, 2015, 10:50 pm

      @Brewer: ““Anti-Semitism” is a “Humpty Dumpty” term that is starting to mean whatever the user demands. This lack of specificity allows evil users to malign a huge class of people to whom racism of any kind is anathema and to manipulate statistics and public opinion into justifying murder and mayhem.”

      Agreed, antisemitism is now a meaningless term.

      Jews worldwide should stop clinging to “antisemitism” as their preferred explanation for violence against Jews, and start thinking about “blow-back” in reaction to Israel’s crimes.

      Israel claims to act in the name of all Jews and has deliberately and successfully conflated Zionism and Judaism. Most people don’t realize that Judaism is a religion, while Zionism is a racist ideology that is opposed by some Jews.

      To recognize that people angry about Israel’s actions may strike out at Jews in general is not the same as condoning these violent actions. But to refuse to recognize Israel’s role in setting up this dynamic, and to keep insisting that “antisemitism” is a reason for anything, is obtuse.

      • Walid
        February 23, 2015, 2:56 am

        “Most people don’t realize that Judaism is a religion, while Zionism is a racist ideology that is opposed by some Jews. ” (Kris)

        Exactly, Kris, and you can say the same ignorance exists in the US where most peopled don’t realize that Islam is a religion while sicko Wahhabism manifested by ISIS and like groups has nothing to do with Islam. Tarring all of Islam because of a few terrorists is as wrong as tarring all of Christianity because of organizations like the KKK.

      • MRW
        February 23, 2015, 4:36 am

        while sicko Wahhabism manifested by ISIS and like groups has nothing to do with Islam. Tarring all of Islam because of a few terrorists is as wrong as tarring all of Christianity because of organizations like the KKK.

        Oh come off it, Walid.

        You expect Americans to understand Wahhabism? They don’t even understand their own federal monetary system. Nor do they perceive the need to. Ninety-five percent of them are vaguely aware that they were once in the top-10 of educated countries 40 years ago, but have no clue that they now lead the top of the bottom half. Americans are uneducated idiots. Seriously lacking. Corresponds to the vaunted “meritocracy” taking over.

      • Walid
        February 23, 2015, 6:39 am

        MRW, I used the term in addressing people at Mondo. If you were to ask the average Arab to define Wahhabism, they’s probably answer you that it has something to do with the Egyptian songwriter, singer, actor of the 1940s and 1950s Mohammed Abdul Wahab. I doubt Americans in general would know what Christian fundamentalism is about either.

      • gamal
        February 23, 2015, 9:57 am

        “If you were to ask the average Arab to define Wahabism”

        ya walad, not that I would wish to appear to be out Arabing anyone, not being an Arab is my alibi, but lets remember that wahabism didnt become an issue until that follower of Abdel Halim Hafez, Al-Uthaymeen and the Kharijites electrified during that abortive concert in Riyadh, here is Wahabism unplugged Ya Msafir Wahdak, ever get that feeling, i have never met an Arab who didnt know about this.

        http://youtu.be/TzGNcYnVUIE

      • Mooser
        February 23, 2015, 8:02 pm

        “Most people don’t realize that Judaism is a religion, while Zionism is a racist ideology that is opposed by some Jews.”

        If Jew themselves are not at pains to make that distinction clear they can’t expect anybody else to do that for them. I don’t know whether that is fair or not, but that is probably the way it is.

  7. Bornajoo
    February 22, 2015, 5:49 am

    “Anti-Semitism” is a “Humpty Dumpty” term that is starting to mean whatever the user demands. This lack of specificity allows evil users to malign a huge class of people to whom racism of any kind is anathema and to manipulate statistics and public opinion into justifying murder and mayhem. As the scope of its reach increases, its meaning diminishes. As such it belongs on the scrapheap of History.”

    Well said. +1!

    As for Hophmi and DaBakr they are petrified at the thought of losing their precious victimhood which they so desperately need to justify the awful crimes committed by israel and zionism which they support unconditionally with every fibre of their being. Unfortunately just like most of my family in the UK and israel.

  8. Laurent Weppe
    February 22, 2015, 6:43 am

    Practically all the alarming incidents which have taken place in Europe recently – especially in Paris and Copenhagen – in which Jews were killed or attacked

    I don’t agree at all: these attacks are antisemitic as fuck, and are identical to the price-tag assaults in their intent and MO: attacking members of a given community chosen at random to retaliate against slights (real and imagined) done by others members of said community.

    Now that doesn’t mean that the Kouachi brothers or Amedy Coulibaly where not in part motivated by a form of revanchism (Coulibaly’s best friend was gunned down by the police after a motorbikes-jacking that turned sour, his first victim was a policewoman: that was no coincidence), or weren’t genuinely disgusted by the deeds of the israeli ruling class and its citizenry passive acceptance of the apartheid regime but the fact that antisemitism and sectarian tribalism weren’t their sole motivators doesn’t stop the fact that it did influence their choice of targets.

    • lyn117
      February 22, 2015, 2:15 pm

      I tend to agree, the attacks on Jews in the European market who may or may not have had anything to do with Israel’s attacks on Palestinians or French colonialism is more like the price tag attacks, with the following difference: French Jews are very much protected members of French society being attacked by a despised minority, whereas the Palestinians are despised victims of apartheid and their attackers are the protected members of Israeli society.

      I don’t think Jews in Europe should be attacked because almost all mainstream Jewish organizations support Israel’s colonialism and attacks on Palestinians. It’s quite likely the European Jews did in fact lend some monetary support to Israel, but “quite likely” a conviction and anyway it wouldn’t merit the death penalty anyway.

  9. just
    February 22, 2015, 9:42 am

    Speaking of violence:

    “A disagreement over duty-free chocolate between a passenger and a flight attendant on a recent Israir flight to Varna, in Bulgaria, came close to degenerating into physical violence and led to the questioning of a group of passengers by the authorities in Bulgaria.

    The rowdy behavior of the passengers brought them to the attention of airline officials at Ben-Gurion Airport, even before the flight departed. A security officer on the flight declined to intervene in the argument because it was not a security incident.

    The cause of the argument is not clear from a video filmed by one of the passengers. A woman passenger is seen standing and shouting coarsely at the flight attendant with the duty free cart, who is serving another passenger.

    Two other passengers, a woman and a man, then enter the argument, with the man getting out of his seat and threatening violence against the flight attendant.

    “You work for me,” shouted the first woman. “I paid for the flight and I want chocolate. Another passenger, reportedly her sister, chimed in with “sell her the chocolate, you piece of rubbish.”

    When the attendant threatened to have them removed from the plane, the first woman’s husband responded, “I don’t give a fuck for you or Varna.”

    “Passenger violence against cabin crew is growing,” Israir said in a statement following the incident. “Israir is doing and will continue to do everything to ensure a high level of security and safety, by enforcing defined protocols in such cases.”

    As one Facebook user wrote in response to the video, “flight attendants from foreign airlines call the flight to Tel Aviv – Hell Aviv. I wonder why?””

    video @ link http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.643622

    Earlier this week, there was an article about BG airport staff:

    “Welcome to Israel, you subhuman
    Re-entry into the country proved to be a humiliating affair, involving an interrogation and fingerprints.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.643033

    which prompted this:

    “Letters to the Editor / Airport staff should be grounded”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/1.643543

    and everyone must know by now about the frequent incidents of ultra- Orthodox men causing a ruckus on flights if they happen to have to sit next to/near a woman.

    Why is this tolerated? Is the Israeli society that numb to violence? Is it because they have brutalized (with seeming glee) the Palestinians for so long that now it’s ok to abuse anyone that doesn’t cater to their every whim?

    • Stephen Shenfield
      February 22, 2015, 3:11 pm

      A crucial part of the Zionist project has always been to create the “new Jew” who would be the opposite of the despised “old Jew” of the diaspora. The old Jew was polite, peaceful, submissive to authority, so the new Jew was brought up to be rude, aggressive, etc.

  10. just
    February 22, 2015, 3:47 pm

    You gotta see this, via Dan Cohen:

    “Zionist propaganda outfit StandWithUs places signs around Los Angeles co-opting Cesar Chavez”

    https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/569546174899712001

    • Brewer
      February 22, 2015, 4:25 pm

      Suspect that quote is apocryphal. I can find no reference to it.

      • just
        February 22, 2015, 6:48 pm

        I can’t find anything either, Brewer. I suspect that you are absolutely correct.

        Why LA? Why, because of the demographics.

  11. Mayhem
    February 23, 2015, 8:03 am

    Half-wit Avineri is no better than the Swedish radio interviewer who asked the Israeli ambassador to Sweden, “Are Jews causing anti-Semitism?”

    Sweden state radio took the rare step of publicly apologizing, and even wiped the question from the recording of the interview found in its digital archive

    Hanif Bali, chairman of the Swedish-Israeli Friendship Association in Sweden’s parliament, wrote a strongly worded post on his own Facebook page and received an influx of comments, shares, and likes. “Swedish state radio asked the Israeli ambassador if Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism,” he revealed.

    “That’s disgusting and insane. The claim that Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism is one of the most ancient expressions of anti-Semitism.”said Bali.

    Sadly Avineri is unaware of how the Arab world adopted the fundamental tenets of Christian anti-semitism during the 1920s through Hasan al-Banna with the birth of the Muslim Brotherhood which reshaped the new anti-semitic political doctrine of Islamism that is rampant today.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 23, 2015, 8:40 am

      the Arab world adopted the fundamental tenets of Christian anti-semitism during the 1920s through Hasan al-Banna with the birth of the Muslim Brotherhood which reshaped the new anti-semitic political doctrine of Islamism that is rampant today.

      source? nothing to do w/zionism of course.

      pff.

    • just
      February 23, 2015, 9:00 am

      That’s total bull, Mayhem. It’s you again, painting with a broad brush soaked in hasbara.

      Did they start teaching you that in grade school?

      • amigo
        February 23, 2015, 9:29 am

        “Did they start teaching you that in grade school?” Just

        He can tell you that when he reaches that level .

    • amigo
      February 23, 2015, 9:25 am

      “Half-wit Avineri i” mayhem.

      Then you must be the other half.

      Tell us mayhem, outside of the erudite balanced and well informed articles you post here , how many books have you written and point us to your widely read articles in MSM.

      “Hanif Bali, chairman of the Swedish-Israeli Friendship Association in Sweden’s parliament, said ” .mayhem.

      Well , he would , wouldn,t he.

    • eljay
      February 23, 2015, 10:52 am

      || Mayhem: Half-wit Avineri is no better than the Swedish radio interviewer who asked the Israeli ambassador to Sweden, “Are Jews causing anti-Semitism?” Sweden state radio took the rare step of publicly apologizing, and even wiped the question from the recording of the interview found in its digital archive ||

      The interviewer was wrong to ask such a question and to press the ambassador for an answer, and the radio station was right to remove the discussion from its archive.

      The interviewer should have asked “Are all Jews responsible for the crimes of some Jews?” Apparently JeffBeee thinks so, and not one of the Zio-supremacists who frequents this site has disagreed with his assertion. I’d be curious to know the ambassador’s thoughts on the matter.

    • MRW
      February 23, 2015, 2:36 pm

      “Swedish state radio asked the Israeli ambassador if Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism,” he revealed. “That’s disgusting and insane. The claim that Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism is one of the most ancient expressions of anti-Semitism.”said Bali.

      No, it’s not. It’s a logical question to ask these days. The Irish have a wonderful declarative phrase, “You’ve brought it on yourself.”

      Do you think there is no consequence to the actions of “The Jewish State,” as Netanyahu insists, and the kingdom of Jews worldwide, whom Netanyahu claims he represents? This isn’t WWII. And no one is persecuting Jews just for being Jews (that only happens to Muslims today with the distinct urging in the US of rabid pro-Israeli Jewish activists). Your lying king of the Jews is about to address our Congress to foment war, which will kill more American progeny, in contradiction to his own intelligence service stating there is no Iran threat. Honey badger don’t give a shit. Your warring king of the Jews thinks nothing of murdering and torturing the indigenous people of the land you stole.

      So if you re going to insist on your own country and state it can only be made up of Jews, then hike up your pants and take responsibility for what you wrought like a man. You’re in the big leagues now, and international criticism comes with the territory. Deal with it. But you don’t get to invoke 70 years ago as an excuse, or a brickbat. Times have changed.

    • Mooser
      February 23, 2015, 8:05 pm

      “Sadly Avineri is unaware…”

      Do you have a special Zionist reason for misspelling his name? It usually ends in a “y”.

      A Hebrew pun, perhaps? (although the thought gives me the creeps.)

      • just
        February 23, 2015, 8:27 pm

        Me, too. It’s a complete misspell. The man’s name is Uri Avnery.

        There is an Israeli political scientist named Shlomo Avineri.

        Perhaps Mayhem cannot differentiate due to chronic brain muddle.

      • Philemon
        February 23, 2015, 9:09 pm

        Well, ya know how that ziocaine does do your mind. Makes it so you can’t spell worth a damn.

  12. Rodneywatts
    February 23, 2015, 3:51 pm

    Phil,
    Very much in line with this post:

    http://www.alanhart.net/a-truth-most-jews-dont-want-to-know-about-anti-semitism/

    Alan is a much respected veteran reporter on the ME for a number of TV channels and other media in the UK. His site has other posts of interest, and he is the author of “Zionism, the real enemy of the Jews”

  13. yonah fredman
    February 23, 2015, 4:48 pm

    Islam’s basis is not anti Jewish in the same way that Christianity’s basis is. Christianity blamed the Jews for the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus, so there is a wide difference between Christian Jew hatred and Muslim Jew hatred.

    Citing circumstances 500 or more years ago at the time of the expulsions from Spain and the golden age of cooperation is relevant, not besides the point, but also not the point. Islam in its home town of the Arab speaking world is in deep trouble because those countries are in deep economic and cultural trouble in adjusting to the western world. Under such circumstances, acts of aggression towards those who “represent” the West: Christians and Jews would have been on the increase without the development of Zionism. But certainly ignoring the influence of Zionism on current Arab Islamic hatred for Jews is anti reality.

    Still the recent habit of kill a free speechnik and add on killing a few Jews as a sort of dessert, as a sort of buy one get one free, as a sort of “while I’m here already, might as well kill a few Jews”, certainly casts these murders in a light of callousness and this aspect should at the very least be mentioned.

  14. Vera Gottlieb
    February 24, 2015, 4:56 am

    Just like so many are turning against the US doesn’t mean they are against American Catholics or Protestants or whichever other faith.

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