Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack

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Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is exploiting the murderous attack on a synagogue in Copenhagen yesterday to propagandize the Jewish state.

He did so at his Cabinet meeting today and on twitter here:

To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say ‘Israel is the home of every Jew, Israel is waiting for you with open arms’.

Israel’s ready for you:

We say to Jews, our brothers and sisters: Israel is your home. We are preparing & calling for the absorption of mass immigration from Europe.

He plays prognosticator:

This wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.

Denmark’s chief rabbi has rejected the calls. From the JTA:

Denmark’s chief rabbi rejected Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s call for European Jews to move to Israel in the wake of a terror attack on a Copenhagen synagogue.

“Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” said Denmark Chief Rabbi Jair Melchior said Sunday.

H.A. Hellyer gets it right: “As a European, I take exception to anyone claiming my fellow citizens ought to leave Europe. Our continent would lose out.” And this tweet: “Netanyahu really ought to stop making declarations upon Europe’s Jews as though he were the Caliph of all Jews.”

Max Blumenthal points out that Netanyahu’s appeal to Danes is a reversal of the legacy of the great Swedish diplomat Folke Bernadotte, who saved so many Danish Jews from the Nazis during the second world war and who was later murdered by a gang led by Yitzhak Shamir in Jerusalem in 1948 because as UN mediator, Bernadotte was recommending that Jerusalem be internationalized. Netanyahu’s Likud party is a political heir to Shamir/Begin and the Revisionists.

Netanyahu has lately been blasted by some American Jews for saying that he’s coming to Washington to speak against Iran next month “not just as the prime minister of Israel but as a representative of the entire Jewish people.”

Alan Brownfeld writes of Netanyahu’s earlier appeals:

Sadly, the Israeli government seems not to recognize that Jewish Americans are not “Israelis in exile.”  Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly called upon American Jews to make a “mass aliyah” (immigration) to Israel.

No other foreign government argues that millions of Americans, because of their religion, are in “exile” in the United States and that their real “homeland”or “nation-state” is that foreign country. Israel should be content to be the nation of its own citizens, whether they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

 

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  1. Ramzi Jaber
    February 15, 2015, 12:11 pm

    indisputable facts about the current situation:

    1. zionism backfired, hurting jewish minorities everywhere

    2. every action has a counteraction, basic law of nature

    3. zionism/bibi made jews unsafe everywhere including occupied palestine

    4. demographics is a darn stubborn inconvenient thing that you can’t beat

    5. zionists are running out of jews to coerce into moving to occupied palestine

    6. nutnyahoo-dermer stunt caused irreparable damage that can’t be unrung
    a. cynical plot sunk the “smart” duo into permanent ill-repute
    b. americans are incensed about the zionists insulting the presidency
    c. democratic politicos and zionist supporters are disgusted
    d. even some republicans are not happy
    e. aipac got battered either for being stupid or being out of the loop
    f. cynic plot plays into the hands of iran, speech or not
    g. moslems/arabs get another proof-point that usa is in zionist pocket
    h. usa prestige standing and influence globally got battered
    i. usa as unquestionable supporter and unsc/political cover is crumbling
    j. europe will accelerate pro-palestinian moves and bds support

    with enemies like that, who needs friends!
    (just joking, we thank ALL the friends that we have and we need all the NEW friends that we can get)

    1S1P1V. 1S1P1V. 1S1P1V.

    • ziusudra
      February 16, 2015, 4:59 am

      Greetings Ramzi Jaber,
      ….2. every Action has a counteraction…..

      Bibi is also saying leave asap & i’ll have the Jewish Congress
      shore up your wealth.
      Trust us, we have experience.
      ziusudra
      PS danes, ask the Euro survivors just where their wealth went
      after WWII?

      • Blownaway
        February 16, 2015, 10:56 am

        I love the headline pic of Netanyahu today in Drudge giving what can only look like the well known fascist gesture salute…

      • just
        February 16, 2015, 11:07 am

        I’ve noticed that he has a rather bad habit of gesturing with that right arm…

  2. just
    February 15, 2015, 12:27 pm

    +1 Ramzi!

    I’m re-posting here because it is appropriate:

    “Israel’s most prominent Danish Jew expressed shock today at the terror attack that killed a Jewish security guard outside a Copenhagen synagogue on Saturday night.

    “Unfortunately, when terror comes closer to you, it hits stronger and feels more terrible,” said Rabbi Michael Melchior, a former politician whose brother is the executive director of the Danish Jewish community and whose son its chief rabbi. Melchior, who was chief rabbi of Norway before immigrating to Israel in 1986, traces his family back 350 years in Denmark.

    Known for his moderate political views, Melchior criticized government leaders for responding to Sunday’s terror attack with calls for Danish Jews to immigrate to Israel. “I don’t like when this is the automatic reaction from Israeli politicians,” he told Haaretz. “I think it is not an appropriate reaction. We have a prime minister who says Israel is about to come under an attack of terrible dimensions, and at the same time says that everyone should run away from there to come here. I don’t even want to go into this way of thinking. I think that the answer to terror is to fight it wherever it is.”

    Today, he published a joint statement with Sheikh Abdullah Nimer Darwish, the founder of the Islamic Movement in Israel, condemning the terror attack in Copenhagen. “We stress, that only through cooperative religious efforts will we isolate the perpetrators and eradicate religious hate,” the statement said. Melchior and Darwish are the founders of Religious Peace Initiative, an organization that works with Jewish and Muslim religious leaders to promote peace.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.642622?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    ———————
    “Danes are the last folks that are going to heed his call to emigrate to Israel! This egotistical, monomaniacal, self- proclaimed king of the Jews must not be aware of the history of the Danes in WW2, and of the Resistance under Nazi Occupation! Or, he simply doesn’t care.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/demolish-houses-jerusalem#sthash.cxYR5xXq.dpuf

    Why didn’t Netanyahu mention the non- Jew that was killed or the 5 Danish police officers that were wounded???
    ————-
    “The gunman believed to have attacked a Copenhagen synagogue and a free speech event on Saturday was a Danish-born 22-year-old known to police because of past violence, gang-related activities and possession of weapons, officers have said.

    Police said they had identified the man, who was killed in an early-morning shootout on Sunday, but did not release his name.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/feb/15/copenhagen-shootings-gun-assault-at-synagogue-follows-shootings-at-cafe-rolling-report

    • Kay24
      February 15, 2015, 12:38 pm

      “We have a prime minister who says Israel is about to come under an attack of terrible dimensions, and at the same time says that everyone should run away from there to come here.”

      The good Rabbi has hit the nail on its head. The drama king has contradicted himself here.
      On the one hand he whines that Israel is constantly under attack, and has to defend itself, and here he is, for devious reasons “inviting” European Jews to come to that very dangerous place.
      I bet, the Rabbi might get a few phone calls demanding that he stop talking and change his tune.

      I guess Beebs wants to fill up those illegal settlements quickly.

      • JWalters
        February 16, 2015, 7:18 pm

        “On the one hand he whines that Israel is constantly under attack, and has to defend itself, and here he is, for devious reasons “inviting” European Jews to come to that very dangerous place.”

        Speaking of “devious reasons”, Netanyahu is like a combination of Bernie Madoff and Richard Nixon. He sells Jews a war zone by calling it a safe haven, and he keeps the MIC profits rolling in.

      • Kay24
        February 16, 2015, 10:49 pm

        Bibi seems to be unravelling, unhinged, and out of control. He is contradicting himself (could also be considered blatant lies) and bulldozing his way into situations, that any self respecting leader would not do. Recently his dear wife (called acting PM, sarcastically) was criticized for doing a show inside their mansion, with a decorator, and risked security by showing the home, and the interior, which made security officials mad. The Netanyahus are behaving like bulls in a china shop, disregarding all sane advice, and doing whatever the hell they want.

        To think Israelis want this man to remain as their PM, is unbelievable.

    • Ramzi Jaber
      February 15, 2015, 12:47 pm

      thanks for this good info, just.

    • MRW
      February 15, 2015, 2:31 pm

      Why didn’t Netanyahu mention the non- Jew that was killed or the 5 Danish police officers that were wounded???

      The $64,000 question.

      • Kathleen
        February 16, 2015, 1:56 pm

        Clearly non Jews do not matter to Bibi never have and seems never will.

        Prof Cole has a great one up over at Informed Comment about why Al Qeada has it out for Denmark

    • TonyRiley
      February 21, 2015, 5:00 am

      The gunman was of Palestinian parentage.

      • just
        February 21, 2015, 10:17 am

        And?

      • CigarGod
        February 21, 2015, 10:31 am

        He means…just because his name is Riley…a name of English origin…does’t mean that David Copeland…the neo-nazi English nail bomber…is allowed to cast aspersions on all English.

        But…those of Palestinian background….

  3. Mooser
    February 15, 2015, 12:40 pm

    “This wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.”

    With clearing skies and more moderate temperatures later in the week.

    • Bornajoo
      February 15, 2015, 7:26 pm

      “This wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.”

      “With clearing skies and more moderate temperatures later in the week.”

      Brilliant! Ha ha….. That one cracked me up!

    • Pixel
      February 16, 2015, 3:34 am

      You’re in top form, Mooser!

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 1:13 pm

        But Dad, I’m serious!

      • Daniel Rich
        February 17, 2015, 3:31 pm

        @ Mooser,

        Q: But Dad, I’m serious!

        R: I don’t care. What did your mom say?

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 3:58 pm

        I’m sorry, Daniel.
        That goes back to when I was a kid, and was trying to sell my Dad some outlandish idea or scheme, at some point I usually ended up imploring my father: “But Dad, I’m serious!” and he had a way of turning to me, looking wide-eyed and enthusiastic, and saying “Yitzchok you’re serious? Good! I’ll be Roebucks, and we’ll start a store!”
        which always left me feeling sort of filleted.

        After which, of course, he gave me a good hard klopf on the old pate’, to show he loved me, and sent me on my way. Mom never got involved in that stuff, she always said “Go ask your father”

    • gracie fr
      February 16, 2015, 4:31 pm

      With anti-French propaganda like this going up on Youtube, no wonder the faint hearted are getting the willies…..

      ….Historique…..

      http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/676/485.html

      • just
        February 16, 2015, 4:35 pm

        gracie fr~ I saw that last nite.

        It’s really bizarro. 10 wasted hours of trying to “gotcha”. (although the exercise probably did him some good)

      • W.Jones
        February 16, 2015, 4:43 pm

        How about 10 hours walking through “all areas” of Israel as a Christian, with a big cross on front?

      • RoHa
        February 16, 2015, 8:48 pm

        Well, that was boring. From that video it looks as though Jews walk just like everyone else.

        Walking like an Egyptian is much more fun.

      • just
        February 17, 2015, 7:52 am

        WJones~ a Christian (especially a Palestinian) CAN’T walk through “all areas” of Israel, with or without a cross!

        lol, RoHa!!!

        Even with his selective editing, he schlepped along and nothing “happened”.

        That’s the news. Nothing happened.

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 4:04 pm

        “Walking like an Egyptian is much more fun.”

        “Born in Arizona, he moved to Babylonia,
        He was born in Arizona, got a condo made of stone-a,
        King Tut”

        You said it, RoHa.

      • just
        February 18, 2015, 5:56 pm

        Quelle surprise ~ pas.

        It was lame from the git-go, it proved nothing and seemed a non- event to me. what a schmuck.

        Thanks, gracie fr.

      • Teapot
        February 18, 2015, 8:29 pm

        I wonder what would happen if I walked ten hours in Jerusalem while waving a Palestinian flag. However, I am not brave enough to find out.

      • Citizen
        February 23, 2015, 9:27 am

        Seems orthodox jews spitting on clerics and nuns is an everyday thing in Jerusalem: http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Mouths-filled-with-hatred

        Can imagine what they teach the kids in the kippa schools about Christians.

  4. Marnie
    February 15, 2015, 12:55 pm

    “Why didn’t Netanyahu mention the non-Jew that was killed or the 5 Danish police officers that were wounded???”
    – Good question. But if its not Jews its not news.
    – “This wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue”. Seriously? Sounds like he knows something we don’t.
    I don’t trust that these are just spontaneous acts. I keep thinking about the burning of the Reichstag, the downing of Rwandan president Habyarimana’s plane (blamed on Tutsi’s) as the signal to begin the genocide of Tutsis, the USS Liberty, the assasination of Rabin (and the rise of Netanyahu)…all of these events were the prelude to something horrible. And it sounds like the answer to Netanyahu’s prayer – a mass migration to the borderless, boundaryless, unscrupulous magical land of the zionists. Without enough jobs for the people already living here. I guess the newcomers will all work for http://www.hasbara.com.

  5. amigo
    February 15, 2015, 1:24 pm

    “This wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue. ” nietanyahu.

    He seems very sure.Does he know something the rest of the world does not.

    It is not as if a precedent has to be set for scaring Jews out of different countries when Mother Israel needs chattel to solve the demographic bomb.

    I wonder if the King is aware of the danger he puts the Jewish people in by in gathering them to one tiny narrow slither of land surrounded by a sea of marauding Arabs who want to kill all Jews.How many Nukes would it take to wipe Israel off the map. 1 dropped right on Dimona should do the trick.Those who would wipe Israel off the map , must be rubbing their hands with glee.

    • CloakAndDagger
      February 15, 2015, 1:34 pm

      This has all the hallmarks of a false-flag. One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed.

      • Marnie
        February 15, 2015, 1:52 pm

        C&D – am looking forward to that day

      • seanmcbride
        February 15, 2015, 2:01 pm

        CloakAndDagger,

        “This has all the hallmarks of a false-flag. One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed.”-

        Think about it: both Jewish Zionists and non-Jewish antisemites have a strong motive to engineer false flag terrorist acts to drive Diaspora Jews to Israel.

        And fresh off Twitter:

        1. Trita Parsi: After Danish synagogue attack, Netanyahu calls on EU Jews to move to Israel. Not realizing his message is same as that of EUs anti-Semites? https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/566942789288857601

        2. Ben White: “I say to the Jews of Europe – Israel is your home.” Who said it? Antisemitic hate group, or Israeli PM Netanyahu? http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.642552 https://twitter.com/benabyad/status/566931532481564673

        A few thoughts of mine this morning on false flag ops:

        https://friendfeed.com/mondoweiss-on-friendfeed/aaab9a88/all-terrorist-incidents-worldwide-should-be

      • Walid
        February 15, 2015, 2:01 pm

        Charlie Hebdo was even more obvious. I see a red flag going up whenever an alleged killer gets wiped out by hundreds of policemen that have him (or them) totally surrounded and could have taken them alive to get to the truth. Killing them is silencing them.

      • MRW
        February 15, 2015, 2:32 pm

        This has all the hallmarks of a false-flag.

        No shit, sherlock.

      • Laurent Weppe
        February 15, 2015, 6:14 pm

        This has all the hallmarks of a false-flag

        Why waste time, money and energy organizing false-flags operations when the world has more than enough self-righteous pricks eager to let themselves be driven into a frenzy by the back-and-forth of tribalistic rhetorics.

      • OyVey00
        February 16, 2015, 8:48 am

        Without evidence this is about as credible as that Mossad did 9/11.

        And since the shooter is dead we will most likely never get evidence. So all of these false flag discussions are pretty useless. They can neither be proven nor disproven.

      • Shingo
        February 16, 2015, 3:03 pm

        One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed.

        Sadly I doubt it. Yes someone will trip up but it will go under reported and ignored, if not covered up entirely.

        And the gutless media will play along.

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        February 16, 2015, 3:43 pm

        They have slipped up, many times, but the mainstream media doesn’t report it. About fourteen years ago, on a very important day in American history, multiple witnesses saw Israelis celebrating a very awful event. I would say more, but too many don’t wish to discuss it.

      • Abierno
        February 16, 2015, 4:00 pm

        Surprising that when US statistics (reported in Electronic Intifada) has the number of Palestinians in occupied Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza, exceeding the number of Jewish Israelis, that Netanyahu is strongly urging that Israel is the only place in the vast world, wherein Jews can be safe. This is reminiscent of . . . ?

    • Walid
      February 15, 2015, 1:54 pm

      “I wonder if the King is aware of the danger he puts the Jewish people in by in gathering them to one tiny narrow slither of land surrounded by a sea of marauding Arabs who want to kill all Jews.”

      It’s ironic, amigo, a few years back the Zionists falsely accused the Sayyid of having said he’d like to see all the Jews in the world gathered in Israel to make it “easier”.

    • Laurent Weppe
      February 15, 2015, 6:10 pm

      How many Nukes would it take to wipe Israel off the map

      Zero: allowing the Israeli ruling-class to carry on with its pro-dynastic wealth, divide-and-rule-the-plebs policies will suffice to keep eroding the israeli polity until it collapses under the weight of its leaders’ own corruption.

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 1:16 pm

        Bingo! I have no idea, absolutely none, where on earth people get the idea that Zionism is like the Jewish Three freaking Musketeers, ‘all for one, and one for all’. It’s not.

  6. Herb Glatter
    February 15, 2015, 1:44 pm

    This is a random poll to MW contributors and those who comment, in the event you choose to reply it can be done anonymously.

    1. How often do you donate a pint of blood?
    2. Name one of the organizations you do volunteer work, e.g. soup kitchen, road cleanup, etc.
    3. have you donated any money to a registered charity, if so, which one?

    • Giles
      February 15, 2015, 2:46 pm

      A more interesting question would be what charities Herb donates to that are not intended solely to benefit Jews and Israel.

    • Mooser
      February 15, 2015, 3:41 pm

      “This is a random poll to MW contributors and those who comment, in the event you choose to reply it can be done anonymously.”

      Sure, Herb, tell me how I can reply “anonymously”. Everybody has to log in under their user name here, and you provided no link.

      Yes, and I know, Herb, we all suck!

      • Herb Glatter
        February 15, 2015, 4:17 pm

        all you have to do is Reply as Giles has done. you don’t have to give your real name, just reply as “Mooser” or whatever

      • Giles
        February 16, 2015, 9:31 am

        “A more interesting question would be what charities Herb donates to that are not intended solely to benefit.”

        “all you have to do is Reply as Giles has done. you don’t have to give your real name, just reply as “Mooser” or whatever ”

        Huh?

        Can I take that to mean the answer is none?

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 2:43 pm

        “give your real name, just reply as “Mooser”

        That’s “Mr. Mooser” to you Herbie. And I have a first name, too, just like you do.

    • American
      February 15, 2015, 4:12 pm

      Whats your point Herb?

      I’ll be glad to tell you mine:

      ASPCA
      Humane Society
      Doctors without Borders
      Duke Univ Hospital Patients Fund
      Council for the National Interest
      Local Fire Department
      ..so far this year.

      No blood donations

      Animal Rescue and Sanctuary volunteer

      Do you want to know if I have given to any Palestine charity? Yes I did several years ago, one for replacing trees destroyed by Israel and one for books for Palestine children.

      Now you tell me yours……and then we will profile each other.

      • Herb Glatter
        February 16, 2015, 11:09 am

        1. Donations of Double Red blood as often as allowed by the American Red Cross guidelines. Turnout in the small town of Hood River where I live is fantastic. Usually the National Guard post because it’s large enough to handle the significant numbers of donors.

        2.The Next Door in Hood River is a social services agency (run by my daughter-in-law) deals with all sorts of problems in the community, serves meals, raise funds. My wife is the former president of Cancer Care New York (non-salaried position.) Fund raising to provide home care attendants to persons afflicted with cancer. Special Olympics volunteer when i lived on Long Island, NY.

        3. The Next Door, American Red Cross, Meir Panim, Israeli based charity providing meals to those in need

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:07 am

        So Herb, what’s the point? That you are a civic minded guy, and therefore Israel gets as much of Palestine as it wants?

        If that’s the price of your civic virtue, do us a favor and don’t do us any favors.

    • just
      February 15, 2015, 4:27 pm

      Herb- What the heck does your weirdo random poll have to do with the subject of this article?

    • Bornajoo
      February 15, 2015, 7:35 pm

      @Herb
      Wrong meeting

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 1:18 pm

        “@Herb :Wrong meeting”

        Bornajoo, Seafoid always says that “The trouble with Zionism is that it takes up too many evenings” Maybe Herb forgot what day it was.

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 2:58 pm

        Ha! Reminds me of the guy who opens his door and finds mormons there. They tell him they’ve noticed what a good guy he is and figure he’d make a fine mormon. “What? Take a 10% cut in pay and give up my sundays???

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 4:07 pm

        “Ha! Reminds me of the guy who opens his door and finds mormons there.”

        CigarGod, I thought the punchline to the joke that starts with that line is: “Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?”

      • CigarGod
        February 19, 2015, 10:31 am

        Ahh…you are getting ahead of me. First you have to starve yourself to the edge of a hallucinatory state…that is when you fall to your knees and listen for the answer to come out of the darkness.

    • Pixel
      February 16, 2015, 4:55 am

      Herb,

      Your question is an interesting one. It didn’t get much traction but that’s ok.

      The cool thing is that you’re here at Mondoweiss reading the posts and comments.

      Stick around.

      We don’t all agree here, but people don’t have to agree in order to learn from and with each other.

      • RoHa
        February 16, 2015, 9:45 pm

        “We don’t all agree here”

        Yes we do.

    • OyVey00
      February 16, 2015, 8:42 am

      1. Never 2. None 3. No

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:10 am

        “OyVey00” I’m not sure you want to hang around here. There might be miscegenation.
        And yet we discourage excessive consanguinity!

    • Kay24
      February 16, 2015, 12:00 pm

      Take it to Pew poll, they will help you over there.

    • JeffB
      February 16, 2015, 7:42 pm

      1) About 1x a year
      2) NJTC, NJ Democratic Party.
      3) I donate annually to about a dozen charities though they change. My biggest donations are mainstream Democratic DCCC, DSCC, (individual campaigns)… In terms of non political charities Lupus foundation, until recently long term donor to HRCl I also give to Jewish charities that aren’t religious like Lavi Olami, B’Nai B’rith..

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:10 am

        Don’t eat the eggs!

        BTW folks, I rescued, snatched from the very jaws of death beneath the thundering hooves of a run-a-way four-in-hand, a golden-haired child. Then I had to go into a burning building and rescue another.

        Oh, don’t thankl me, really, it’s just a knack I have, for being on-the-spot.

        Oh, wait a minute, isn’t there a tax deduction for charitable contributions? Yes, there is. In that case, I can promise you my wife takes care of that, she likes tax deductions and is good at getting them.

  7. Giles
    February 15, 2015, 1:56 pm

    The Zionists, as best I can tell, worked closely with the Nazis (particularly Himmler), to move Jews out of Europe to Israel. Bibi is only continuing this condition.

    • Mooser
      February 16, 2015, 1:22 pm

      “The Zionists, as best I can tell, worked closely with the Nazis (particularly Himmler), to move Jews out of Europe to Israel. Bibi is only continuing this condition.”

      The present changes the past. Which is not to say that a fact is incorrect, but how much emphasis we give aspects of it, and how we interpret an event’s significance changes.

      And you can’t condition the present on the past. Two simple facts Zionist seem unable to absorb.

    • jon s
      February 16, 2015, 4:09 pm

      The Zionists were indeed working to move as many Jews as possible to Israel. The Nazis on the other hand (particularly Himmler), were trying to kill as many Jews as possible. Not exactly compatible goals.

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 5:30 pm

        Not true.
        The systematic killing did not start until 1941. First camp was in 1933.
        They tried everything they could to get the Jews to leave…years before that.
        Makes things easier when the “problem” self-deports, right?
        Countries around the world closed their doors to Jewish immigrants.

        I hate your simplistic posts. Nothing is simple.

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 5:32 pm

        “Jon s” you don’t want to get anywhere near those 1930’s Zionists and the Transfer agreement. Go ahead pal, but smell your shoes. Not one of Zonism’s shining hours, buddy.

      • tree
        February 16, 2015, 11:44 pm

        Its not even as simple as that, CigarGod.

        The Zionists in Palestine had a selective admission policy, including medical and political criteria for admission. The British would set a quota, based on their judgment of Zionist economic carrying capacity, but they gave the Jewish Agency total control over which Jews were allowed in. Which meant that older or very young Jews, or those who couldn’t support themselves, were turned down in favor of young strong adults who could add to the productive capacity of the new Yishuv, or committed Zionists, or those with money. Even Jews who got seriously injured in Palestine were forced to leave as they were then a burden rather than an asset to the Zionist agencies.

        The Zionists wanted Jews, but only a certain type. The rest were, in their own words, “human dust” and not “good human material”. During that time, the Jewish Agency, and Ben-Gurion in particular, worked to discourage any emigration from Germany to any other place than Palestine. They also insisted that money collected for help and rescue of Jews from Europe was taking money away from building their community in Palestine, which was of course much more important in their minds than helping European Jews who might need it.

        As you mentioned, all the early interest in German Nazi circles was for the emigration, voluntary or forced, of Jews, not for their killing. That changed with the change in fortunes of the German expansionist war effort.

        Over half a million Jews left greater Nazi Germany by 1940- nearly two thirds of all German Jews. Only 10 percent of them went to Palestine. The other 90% of those who left went to other countries, all of which were suffering economically under the worldwide Great Depression, but none of which specifically closed their doors to Jews as Jews. Attempts to paint the pre-state Zionists in some exalted humanitarian light with respect to helping European Jews are simply a part of the false narrative used to excuse their utter disregard for the rights of the indigenous Palestinians.

      • CigarGod
        February 17, 2015, 12:17 am

        Thanks, Tree. I had forgotten much of this. I recall now, that there was another “return” in about the 1830’s. I believe it was these Jews and their decendants who resisted the modern zionism Jews…and many of the population was driven out or killed…by the moderns. It is hard to find real history.
        Just finished watching The Battle of Algiers, again. The French behaving as the Israeli’s do now. Brutal occupation. Interestingly, the film states that many of the French occupiers in Algiers…were Jews who had survived concentration camps.

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:20 am

        Thank you, “tree”! And BTW, “Jon s” you are aware that “tree”is putting it gently?

        Go look up a Nazi name of, what was it Mandlestein, and his “A Nazi Goes to Palestine”

        And again, that doesn’t come close to how it worked, each day, as Jews struggled to deal with the situation in Germany. Gotta separate that “good human material” from the “human dust” you know.

      • Citizen
        February 23, 2015, 9:57 am

        Nazi final solution changed sometime in 1942, if memory serves.

    • talknic
      February 21, 2015, 7:08 pm

      @ Giles “The Zionists, as best I can tell, worked closely with the Nazis (particularly Himmler), to move Jews out of Europe to Israel.”

      correction … If they did it would have been to Palestine. Israel didn’t exist in the Nazi era

      ” Bibi is only continuing this condition”

      Yes. Now Israel exists, even non-Jews he’s moving to illegal Israeli settlements in Palestine. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/indigenous-immigrate-judaism

  8. pabelmont
    February 15, 2015, 2:05 pm

    “Sadly, the Israeli government seems not to recognize that Jewish Americans are not “Israelis in exile.”

    True. Also and more sadly, the Israeli government seems not to recognize that Palestinian refugees of 1948 (and some other Palestinians outside Israel) are INDEED “Israelis in exile”, that is, have a right to return under UNGA resolutions and Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    So, Beebity, wrong on two counts. (Also on safety of Israel. It is actually quite safe, and the hand-wringing is a fake.)

  9. amigo
    February 15, 2015, 2:16 pm

    I say let them leave , but let them leave their dual citizenship behind them so when the shtf in Israel and it will , those that want to return to their former countries should be told that they relinquished their ROR .

    Then there is the issue of “Absentee landowner” to be addressed.I am reliably told Israel has some slick laws to deal with that issue.

  10. American
    February 15, 2015, 3:27 pm

    Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!…..run Jews run.

    Come to Israel!.. says Netanyahu …while claiming Iran and Isr’s many enemies are going to holocaust them any day now.

    Its comical.

  11. American
    February 15, 2015, 3:47 pm

    Does anyone have anything on Netanyahu calling for US Jews to flee to Israel?
    I remember the campaign and survey Isr did last year trying to get US Jews to declare their loyalty to Israel but havent seen a direct call for them to move to Israel.

    • Mooser
      February 16, 2015, 1:27 pm

      “Does anyone have anything on Netanyahu calling for US Jews to flee to Israel?”

      Bite your tongue, American! If we all make ally-oops, who will fill the Blue Boxes?

  12. Herb Glatter
    February 15, 2015, 4:15 pm

    Denmark shooter identified as Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein. http://www.thelocal.dk/20150215/suspected-gunman-born-and-raised-in-denmark

    • Taxi
      February 16, 2015, 1:24 am

      The shooter having an islmic/Arabic name does not mean that he was not duped by undercover mossad agents into doing their dirty work.

      History tells us that zionism has no problem sacrificing a jewish minion here and there to further its expansionist aims.

  13. Mayhem
    February 15, 2015, 6:56 pm

    Ramzi Jaber has an epiphany but what does it have to do with the topic at hand?

    Netanyahu would fail in his role and responsibility as a leader of the Jewish people if he would not offer a home to those who want to flee Denmark.
    “Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” said Rabbi Jair Melchior is all the chief rabbi of Denmark could say. Great consolation!

    So what would be a proper reason for the Jews to leave Denmark – should they wait until the writing is all over the wall as the Jews did in Europe before the Nazi threat became irreversible?

    The dear rabbi doesn’t want to lose his job and is foolishly more concerned about that than the welfare of his imperiled community.

    My sympathies to Mondoweissers who find all this anti-semitism so dreadfully inconvenient as it distracts the world from the Israel-Palestinian conflict as much more significant pressing international problems and issues take centre stage.
    The sheer idiocy of those flying false-flag allegations show how desperate some pundits are to defuse the overwhelming message as to what is happening in Europe today.
    And odd isn’t that all the terrorism to speak of today is Islamic, yet the Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt cannot, as Obama cannot, bring herself to use the word Islamic in conjunction with ‘terrorism’. All because of Intimidation that is known by its other name Islamophobia.

    • just
      February 16, 2015, 6:50 am

      “Netanyahu would fail in his role and responsibility as a leader of the Jewish people if he would not offer a home to those who want to flee Denmark.”

      Mayhem~ Netanyahu is NOT the “leader of the Jewish people”!!!

      The “home” he is “offering” better be within TA/legally designated Israel. btw, if Danes wanted “to flee Denmark”, they would have already done so.

      (fyi~ DK consistently rates as one of the world’s happiest countries! Other top rankings include education, environment, healthcare, etc!)

    • talknic
      February 16, 2015, 2:50 pm

      @ Mayhem
      “Netanyahu would fail in his role and responsibility as a leader of the Jewish people ..”

      Uh? No thanks pal. We do not need a war criminal to lead us.

    • Bornajoo
      February 16, 2015, 3:02 pm

      @Mayhem
      “So what would be a proper reason for the Jews to leave Denmark – should they wait until the writing is all over the wall as the Jews did in Europe before the Nazi threat became irreversible?”

      Get a grip Mayhem! Are you seriously agreeing with Netanyahu that all Jews should leave Denmark because of the killing of this one Jewish person? Have you not noticed that the Danish Jews themselves (and not just the Rabbi who according to you is only looking out for his job) are saying that they do not want to leave what is supposed to be the best country in the world to live and emigrate to Israel? so if a Hindu person is murdered here in the UK, Indian PM Modi should announce that ALL British Indians should immediately pack up and return to India because it’s the only place they can be safe?

      Mayhem, you need to take a step back and try and look objectively at the things you say. Let me ask you something, don’t you think the Danish Jews are able to make up their own minds about where and how they want to live? Who appointed the likes of Netanyahu and people like you to suggest where other jews should live? Do you really think they need your advice? Why is it you always think collectively about other jews? What is that all about?

      The last person on earth I want speaking for me is Netanyahu and anyone who follows him.

      Oh and by the way, your fellow compatriot Mikhael has been arguing on the other post that the whole idea of hate crimes is nonsensical and no crime should be labelled as such until all the absolute facts are in. He was referring specifically to the chapel hill executions. Yet before hardly any details had been released about this murder in Denmark, Netanyahu had already labelled it an anti semitic hate crime and called on all Danish Jews to leave Denmark and go to Israel. And you jump in and support that. Even though the Danish Jews it seems, have no intention whatsoever of packing up and moving to the Holy Land

      maybe you should discuss this issue with Mikhael and try to arrive at a common consensus?

      • JeffB
        February 16, 2015, 4:59 pm

        @Bornajoo

        I remember Mondowweiss publishing similar claims about how French Jews were rejecting calls to Aliyah even while the emigration numbers are hitting records. You can see similar statements about how Iranian Jews are Iranian before Iran emptied out, same with Egypt and Morocco before that.

        Jews have a long track record which shows they do not want to live in places with active anti-Zionist movements. Those movement while ineffectual against Israel are extremely effectual at clearly out the indigenous Jewish population.

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:25 am

        “Those movement while ineffectual against Israel are extremely effectual at clearly out the indigenous Jewish population.”

        Hooray! I’ve been promoted! I am now an “indigenous” American Jew! Talk about “assimilation” talk about “acculturation! I don’t need any of that, I’m “indigenous”!

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      February 16, 2015, 3:46 pm

      Please explain why it is idiotic to consider the very real possibility of false flag attacks, given Israel’s history of using them?

    • JeffB
      February 16, 2015, 5:01 pm

      @Mayhem

      Nice to see someone else on here willing to accede to the winner of the election. I agree that Obama the is head of the Jewish world. I may not agree with him on everything, the same way I may not agree with Obama on everything. But Obama represents me as an American and Netanyahu represents me as a Jew.

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2015, 11:29 am

        “But Obama represents me as an American and Netanyahu represents me as a Jew.”

        Okay, they are trying the old “if-laughter-is-the-best-medicine-let’s slip-them-an-overdose” trick again. JeffyB never disappoints. Yonah (be still, my pupick!) may be gone, but there’s still plenty good medicine here.

      • eljay
        February 17, 2015, 11:34 am

        || JeffBeee: … Netanyahu represents me as a Jew. ||

        As a supremacist Jew, yes. After all, he is your King.

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 4:18 pm

        ” I agree that Obama the is head of the Jewish world.” “JeffyB”

        Look who else got promoted! I got promoted to “indigenous” American Jew and Obama copped First Prize!

    • talknic
      February 21, 2015, 6:53 pm

      Mayhem does ziostyle not bothering to look

      @Mayhem

      ” “Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” said Rabbi Jair Melchior is all the chief rabbi of Denmark could say. Great consolation”

      “Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” he said. “Hopefully the security should do what they do, but our lives have to continue naturally. Terror’s goal is to change our lives and we won’t let it.” Melchior said the first step for the Danish Jewish community was to “gather and be there for each other”.

      “We will go to the family and be there with them,” he said. “It’s not an easy time. We lost a dear member of the community and now we have to continue doing what he did, which was helping continue the regular Jewish lives in Denmark. This is the real answer to the vicious, cruel and cowardly act of terror.” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/15/european-jewish-association-protection-antisemitic-attacks-copenhagen

      Keep up th’ good work Mayhem, being a shortsighted loser is such a noble cause

  14. Rusty Pipes
    February 15, 2015, 7:13 pm

    What more does Netanyahu have to do to scare more white Jews to move to Israel to combat the biggest threats to diaspora Jews and Israel: Assimilation and the Demographic Time Bomb? How many more valentines do your children have to get from gentiles before you recognize the peril of living away from Israel?

  15. Bornajoo
    February 15, 2015, 7:48 pm

    He can always take a few more hundred thousand white non Jews as long as they pretend they’re Jewish. They’ll turn a blind eye to the documents, but as long as they’re white and play the game.

    There is already huge tension and animosity in israel over the huge influx from the former Soviet States. They’re accused of taking all the jobs, housing, working for less, not even being Jewish and eating pork! (loads of them are not Jewish! It’s a well known fact but they looked the other way to swell the numbers)

    I have no idea what these new French, Danish, Ukrainian and Belgian immigrants are going to do when they get there. Unless they’re loaded they’ll be packed off to the illegal settlements and used as numbers to fight the demographic time bomb. That’s one thing that the Zionists do well. They know how to use other Jews to their full advantage

    • Mooser
      February 16, 2015, 1:32 pm

      “That’s one thing that the Zionists do well. They know how to use other Jews to their full advantage”

      Well, tribal unity, you see, gives them the right, nay, the obligation, to do that. So don’t worry about it, just make sure you are one of the users, and not the used. And if you are one of the used, well, we all have our part to play in making sure the remnant that survives isn’t some fringe group!

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2015, 3:58 pm

        Speaking of tribal unity, and really, who isn’t, these days, here is Uri Avnery’s views on the unity between Sheldon Adelson and Netanyahoo:

        “Who Is the Ruler of Israel?
        Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, of course.
        Wrong
        The real ruler of Israel is one Sheldon Adelson, 81, American Jew, Casino king, who was rated as the world’s tenth richest person, worth 37.2 billion dollars at the latest count.”

        He goes on to explain why he feels that way.

  16. eljay
    February 15, 2015, 8:01 pm

    Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is exploiting the murderous attack on a synagogue in Copenhagen yesterday to propagandize the Jewish state.
    . . .
    To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say ‘Israel is the home of every Jew, Israel is waiting for you with open arms’.

    Thanks, King Bibi – you hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist, you – for pointing out that Israel:
    – is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews; and
    – is not a secular and democratic Israeli state – a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

  17. JLewisDickerson
    February 15, 2015, 9:03 pm
  18. JLewisDickerson
    February 15, 2015, 9:28 pm

    RE: that photo of Netanyahu

    MY COMMENT: Looking at Mondoweiss’ photo of Netanyahu and many others, I can’t help but notice that Israel seems to use the Star of David much like Germany’s National Socialists once used the swastika.

    TO BETTER APPRECIATE WHAT I’M REFERRING TO, SEE THIS EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY: The Architecture of Doom (Undergångens Arkitektur) 1991, NR, 119 minutes
    This chilling documentary explores how artistic, cultural and historical trends forged the National Socialist aesthetic, which in turn contributed to the unspeakable horrors of the Holocaust. Swedish-born filmmaker Peter Cohen, whose parents escaped the Nazis, examines Hitler’s failed career as an artist, his fascination with Wagner, the Nazi obsession with cleanliness, the paradoxical link between “beauty” and evil in the Third Reich, and more.
    Netflix formats: DVD and streaming
    • Netflix listing – http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-Architecture-of-Doom/60000313
    • Internet Movie Database – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098559/
    ALSO ON YouTube, Architecture of Doom [in 12 parts] – https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Architecture+Of+Doom+Nazi+Eugenics+%2F12+by+OrgonVpH7

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 15, 2015, 9:36 pm

      P.S. RE: “Netanyahu’s Likud party is a political heir to Shamir/Begin and the Revisionists.” ~ Weiss

      AS TO THE FASCIST ORIGINS OF REVISIONIST ZIONISM, SEE: “The Hidden History of Zionism”, Chapter 6, by Ralph Schoenman

      [EXCERPT] . . . Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands.
      When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies – at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch06.htm

      FROM WIKIPEDIA AS OF 1/25/14 [Betar]:

      (EXCERPT) The Betar Movement (בית”ר, also spelled Beitar) is a Revisionist Zionist youth movement founded in 1923 in Riga, Latvia, by Vladimir (Ze’ev) Jabotinsky. Betar has been traditionally linked to the original Herut and then Likud political parties of Israel, and was closely affiliated with the pre-Israel Revisionist Zionist splinter group Irgun Zevai Leumi. It was one of many right-wing
      movements and youth groups arising at that time out of a worldwide emergence of fascism.[1] Some of the most prominent politicians of Israel were Betarim in their youth, most notably Prime Ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin
      , the latter of whom idolized Jabotinsky.[2]. . .
      . . . The group initially praised Mussolini for his anti-communism and fascist principles, leading it to adopt the black uniform shirt of Italian fascism for a short period. Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia, however, was seen as “cowardly” by Betar and led them to break with him shortly after.[12] . . .

      SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar

      • Walid
        February 16, 2015, 12:16 am
    • JLewisDickerson
      February 15, 2015, 9:49 pm

      P.P.S. RE: “No other foreign government argues that millions of Americans, because of their religion, are in ‘exile’ in the United States and that their real ‘homeland’ or ‘nation-state’ is that foreign country.” ~ Alan Brownfeld

      SEE: Why “Homeland”?, by Thom Hartman [VIDEO, 09:18] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSwNW-axM0
      Published on Sep 24, 2014
      Thom Hartmann explains the origins of the term “homeland” and why he doesn’t like it being used to describe the United States.

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 16, 2015, 2:38 am

      P.P.P.S. RE: “Netflix formats: DVD and streaming” ~ me (above, referring to The Architecture of Doom)

      CORRECTION: Unfortunately, The Architecture of Doom is no longer available for streaming from Netflix. That leaves the DVD, or streaming the 12 parts from YouTube.

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 16, 2015, 2:47 am

      P.P.P.P.S. HERE ARE MORE PHOTOS of Netanyahu where Israel seems to use the Star of David much like Germany’s National Socialists used the swastika. https://www.google.com/search?q=netanyahu+flag&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RqDhVMqtOoKWgwT-jIQI&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=2090&bih=1367&dpr=0.67

      • Bornajoo
        February 16, 2015, 3:06 pm

        the similarity with the way that the flags are used is uncanny JLD. Albert Speer would have been proud

        Thanks for the heads up on the documentary. It’s the next thing I’m going to make time to watch

      • JLewisDickerson
        February 17, 2015, 9:56 am

        P.P.P.P.S. Here’s someone who would also have made Albert Speer (and Joseph Goebbels) proud!

      • JLewisDickerson
        February 17, 2015, 11:44 am

        P.P.P.P.P.S.
        FILM: “Max”, 2002 R 108 mins
        Average of 96887 ratings: 3.1 stars
        Menno Meyjes directs this fictionalized account of the troubled relationship between a young German painter — the yet-to-be-notorious Adolf Hitler — and Max Rothman, a Jewish art teacher who doesn’t nurture the fledgling artist.
        Cast: John Cusack, Noah Taylor, Leelee Sobieski, more…
        NETFLIX LISTING – http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Max/60025059
        Internet Movie Database (6.6/10) – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290210/
        Max – Trailer [VIDEO, 02:09] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNcUEraG5sA

    • Pixel
      February 16, 2015, 5:22 am

      Thanks, Dickerson!

      Interesting. I’ve watched the doc. before but will do so again, keeping your idea in mind.

  19. just
    February 15, 2015, 10:44 pm

    I read this today, and thought it might resonate with some folks:

    …… “It is worth considering that the death of these three American Muslim youth in North Carolina represents a tiny fraction of Muslim youth killed over the past 15 years in wars that were largely started by USA-Israel military planners in Palestine (2000-2003), Afghanistan (2001-still ongoing), Iraq (2003-still ongoing), Lebanon (2006), Gaza (2008, 2012, 2014), Yemen (2009-still ongoing), Syria (2011-still ongoing), and others.

    We continue to see media reports of “Muslim radicals” murdering innocent people in Paris and Copenhagen, not to mention the awful execution of hostages in Syria, Yemen, and Libya. These are horrible crimes, and yet last week’s loss of three young American Muslims in North Carolina is more poignant because it causes us to reflect on the far greater tragedy of those killed during the past 15 years. Over this time span, there are not merely thousands of Muslim youth that have been killed, a number comparable to those killed inside the US on 9/11. And not merely tens of thousands have been killed, perhaps not merely hundreds of thousands, but it is likely that more than one million Muslim youth have been killed. Think how large this number is: one million.

    Most Americans never consider that our USA-Israel military alliance in the Middle East has been responsible for the deaths of one million youth since 2000. But, you can be certain, the three Muslim youth who were executed in North Carolina last week were fully aware of the gravity of this far greater tragedy overseas. Indeed, they had planned to devote their future lives to doing charitable work in the Middle East, in order to bring compassionate care to many of those who still suffer from USA-Israel wars.
    It is incomprehensible that a hateful, badly misinformed North Carolina man could have killed these three Muslim youth because he felt they and all Muslims “are the enemy.” How is that possible? How is it possible for anyone in America to still believe that Muslims are more responsible for hateful violence than we are ourselves?

    There are only two ways that it is possible for any American to believe Islam is responsible for “hateful violence”: first, by ignoring the kind of evidence seen in this video, which is rarely broadcast on American television because our jingoistic media makes billion$ by bombarding us with “jihadi” views of Islam, in part to perpetuate “fear of Muslims” so our government and Israel’s government can continue fighting wars to kill more Muslims; and second, by continuing to believe the fiction that our “Judaeo-Christian” culture is less hateful and violent than Islam, even though we are the ones who have killed more than one million people during the past 15 years.”

    https://www.facebook.com/stephenw.authorpage/posts/637091523084131

    video at the link is profound.

  20. Kay24
    February 15, 2015, 11:00 pm

    Ah typical Chicken Little moment by Chickin Shit. He politicizes this tragic event, IMMEDIATELY, without any proof why it happened, and without official confirmation by Danish officials about who this criminal really was. Who knows the true story at this point? Bibi is disgusting to say the least. He is a trouble maker, one who seizes tragic moments, to make himself look relevant, bulldoze his way into a situation to push his dangerous agendas, especially during election time in Israel.

    This from CNN:

    “Police did say in a statement that the suspected shooter was a 22-year-old man born in Denmark. He was “well-known by the police for several criminal incidents,” according to police.

    Those incidents include weapons violations and violence, according to police, who said he also was “known in connection to gangs.”

    Carsten Ellegaard Christensen, a national security reporter at the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, provided additional details on the suspect, citing sources with detailed knowledge of the investigation.

    Christensen was told the dead gunman was Danish-Arab, living in Copenhagen, and was on the radar of authorities for gang activity, not for suspected Islamist extremism. So far as police know, he had not traveled to Syria or Iraq.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/15/europe/denmark-shooting/

  21. Pixel
    February 16, 2015, 4:45 am

    “Brooklyn Middleton @BklynMiddleton · Feb 14
    Utterly horrifying pattern emerging: Target known persons who’ve insulted the Prophet, escape and then find some Jews to murder.”

    Really, Brooklyn? Formulaic?
    What tripe!

    The next thing you’re going to say is that some moron is insinuating Israeli foreknowledge!

    “this wave of terrorist attacks – including murderous anti-Semitic attacks – is expected to continue.”

  22. just
    February 16, 2015, 6:38 am

    “Netanyahu tells incoming IDF chief: Next four years will be worse

    …Speaking at the ceremony, Netanyahu warned Eisenkot that his term will be tougher than that of his predecessor.

    “I promise you Gadi … you will not have a single day of grace. The Middle East is disintegrating. States are collapsing. An empire is charging into this vacuum – Iran.

    “It aspires to acquire nuclear weapons. It is trying to encircle us with four murderous arms. Three, for now – one in Lebanon, one in Gaza and a new one – on the Golan. It vows openly to destroy the State of Israel in one way or another. Joining it are the forces of extremist Islam who are breaking through every crack in the Middle East and bringing their murderous acts to the entire world.”

    “… The next four years will be no less difficult. To my assessment, they will be even tougher. We will require every tool, every person, because there’s no mercy for the weak in the Middle East. Only the strong ones survive. The IDF is strong in spirit, and certainly in might.”…”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.642719?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    I really don’t think that Danish folk will be rushing to Israel~ especially since Netanyahu is predicting the apocalypse every day!
    (I think we just got a sneak preview of his DC speeches slated for next month…)

    In case any Dane forgot, here’s a IOF thug assaulting a Danish ISM activist with his rifle butt:

    http://rt.com/news/officer-rifle-video-israel-139/

    • Walid
      February 16, 2015, 7:06 am

      ““I promise you Gadi … you will not have a single day of grace. The Middle East is disintegrating. States are collapsing. An empire is charging into this vacuum – Iran. ”

      Netanyahu is falling apart.

      • a blah chick
        February 16, 2015, 7:27 am

        “It is trying to encircle us with four murderous arms. Three, for now – one in Lebanon, one in Gaza and a new one – on the Golan.”

        That’s encircled?

      • eljay
        February 16, 2015, 8:12 am

        Rather than seek a just and mutually-beneficial peace, Bibi is doubling down on Zio-supremacist greed, immorality and injustice.

        He will continue to f*ck over as many non-Jews in Palestine as possible, claim victimhood the entire time, and then blame anti-Semitism when the blowback hits not only Zio-supremacists like him but also the non-Zionist Jews that have been set up by him and by Zio-supremacists like him (e.g., JeffB) to take the fall for all of the acts of injustice and immorality committed over several decades by and for Zio-supremacism.

        Why do Zio-supremacists hate Jews so much?

      • Kay24
        February 16, 2015, 8:27 am

        He is really unhinged and dangerous. You can see that instead of looking to make peace, he is salivating for wars. He keeps yelling that Iran is out to wipe Israel off the map, but listening to the rhetoric and war mongering, it seems mostly ONE side wants to wipe out Iran, and that would be Netanyahu and Israel. Iranian officials have been cooperative and calm, unlike Bibi. It is always war and violence where Netanyahu is concerned, his speeches and statements never, ever, refer to wanting peace. I think the people of Israel are naive, if they keep believing this loony bin, who keeps yelling about doomsday scenarios, and pretending there is constant danger.

        At the rate Bibi does the war dance, the nation that is the biggest threat in the Middle East sounds like Israel.

      • just
        February 16, 2015, 12:49 pm

        “Ten weeks into the 2015 election trail, Benjamin Netanyahu has been careful to steer clear of making promises. But on Monday he made one campaign promise he can reasonably keep:

        “In my estimation, the four years [to come] are going to be more difficult than the last four.”

        There it is, folks. Straight from the top: I’ve given you four years in which we have fought two wars, the more recent the most devastating in years; our economy is moving toward recession; the health care system is in the process of collapse; the educational system has been crippled and hijacked by politics and neglect; the government has stood steadfast against negotiating with anyone, for any reason; and we have initiated an unprecedented string of laws aimed directly at eroding democracy in Israel.

        Netanyahu’s obvious conclusion, regarding the next four years: I’m your man.

        Taking advantage of a ceremony in which the prime minister installed the new chief of the IDF General Staff, Netanyahu laid out his foreboding vision of what we can expect, and, by extension, just whom Israeli voters should choose on March 17:

        “We’re going to need every tool [and] person, because in the Middle East which surrounds us, there is no mercy for weak people. Only the strong survive.”

        And there’s the rest of it, folks. Aside from Muslims, who all want all the Jews dead, there are only two kinds of people:

        1. The virile, unapologetic, clear-eyed people who want me to remain prime minister until 2019, and, for that matter, until 2023.

        2. Losers.”

        more @ http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.642784?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • Teapot
      February 16, 2015, 2:01 pm

      Netanyahu: “…because in the Middle East which surrounds us, there is no mercy for weak people.”

      Poor Israel! The last bastion of freedom and democracy! Surrounded, nay, besieged by the merciless Middle East! Netanyahu to the rescue!

      Of course, Israel is very much a part of the Middle East and I dare say it’s one of the most merciless countries you will find there. No mercy for the weak pretty much sums up all their policies. How many children did they kill in Gaza this summer? It is beyond me how they can get away with playing the constant victim while being absolutely ruthless.

  23. CigarGod
    February 16, 2015, 8:42 am

    Well…makes me remember the mariel Boatlift from Cuba to Miami. Over a hundred thousand boated to miami…including a bunch of criminals.

  24. just
    February 16, 2015, 9:11 am

    “Copenhagen (AFP) – Danish Jews on Monday turned down an offer by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to emigrate to Israel following a deadly weekend attack on a synagogue in Copenhagen.

    “We’re very grateful for Netanyahu’s concern but having said that, we are Danish — we’re Danish Jews but we’re Danish — and it won’t be terror that makes us go to Israel,” said a spokesman for the Jewish Community in Denmark, Jeppe Juhl.

    “So we understand his concern for our well-being, and we value his concern but we are Danish and we’re staying in Denmark. If we move to Israel it’s for other reasons,” he told AFP.”

    https://news.yahoo.com/danish-jews-reject-netanyahus-call-move-israel-130757264.html

    (to all the Netanyahu supporters~ toldja!)

    • Walid
      February 16, 2015, 10:06 am

      Bavo, bravo, bravo to the Danish Jews.

    • John O
      February 16, 2015, 11:11 am

      I’m sure they won’t have forgotten that the Danish government saved all but a handful of Denmark’s Jews by ferrying them to neutral Sweden when the Nazis came after them.

      • MHughes976
        February 18, 2015, 3:33 pm

        I stayed in a quayside hotel in Copenhagen – one of the little ships that saved the Danish Jews is moored outside, quite poignant. As I understand it the Danish government resigned making the Germans set up an occupation regime, which they would probably rather have avoided doing. This implied anti-Jewish actions and transport to Sweden was organised by the resistance movement generally known as Holger Dansk.

    • lysias
      February 18, 2015, 5:15 pm

      The rescue of the Danish Jews was instigated by German diplomat Georg Ferdinand Duckwitz, at the urging of the highest SS official in Denmark, Werner Best, who was of course aware of the planned date of the Jews’ arrest.

  25. a blah chick
    February 16, 2015, 10:28 am

    I want to know how Butcher Bibi got elected Leader of the Jewish People. Exactly how does that work? Is it a paper ballot or is voting online now? Do you have to upload a rabbi’s certificate for that? Are there primaries? Where is the convention and is the food there any good?

    We need transparency people!

    • JeffB
      February 16, 2015, 10:28 pm

      @Blah

      The World Zionist Congress meets every 4 years to determine the officers for the World Zionist Organization and the Jewish Agency. Every Jew can vote for the World Zionist Congress. Both of those agencies see themselves as acting in a mostly advisory and charity capacity recognizing the Knesset as the legitimate government of Palestine. Netanyahu was elected by the Knesset to the position of Prime Minister.

      Or to be even more blunt. Israel is not about 1/2 the world’s Jews. Almost all the rest support Israel. Israeli Jews vote, Netanyahu won.

  26. Walid
    February 16, 2015, 10:29 am

    Another slap to Netanyahu’s face came today from Prime Minister Valls and President Hollande. Valls repeated that the home of French Jews is France and that someone in a political campaign cannot make any declaration and Hollande said he will not allow other people create divisions among the people of France.

    Elsewhere in France, 5 minors aged 15 to 17, all local inhabitants, are under house arrest for having vandalized the 250 tombs in the Jewish cemetery.

  27. Taxi
    February 16, 2015, 11:39 am

    David Ignatius is saying that ” Mistrust between the Obama administration and Benjamin Netanyahu has widened even further in recent days because of U.S. suspicion that the Israeli prime minister has authorized leaks of details about the U.S. nuclear talks with Iran.”

    A perfect storm brews in the Middle East:
    http://www.vox.com/2015/2/16/8045747/netanyahu-us-iran

    The ziocon king bibi wants to torpedo the negotiations whose failure would highly likely cause world war 3 at worst and at best, force the major world countries to abandon the Iran sanctions altogether, being in need of Iranian oil and all that, thus exposing the further weakening of the American Empire and influence across the globe.

    • CigarGod
      February 16, 2015, 11:46 am

      Jonathon Pollard…deep in a federal hole…just dropped his face into his hands.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 11:52 am

        Oh wow he’s still alive?

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 11:59 am

        Yep…and he is learning on just how tiny a speck of hope…one can keep going…and the speck just got smaller.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 12:10 pm

        Maybe he should wrap his hands around his neck instead of his face.

        This would definitely and completely alter the bugger’s reality.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 12:15 pm

        Hey Cigar,

        I’m watching Nasrallah give a live speech on presstv right now – English interpreter provided:
        http://www.presstv.com/Default/Live

        Gotta keep an eye on the dude who’s opening a third resistance front in the Golan, right in sour face of the idf.

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 12:17 pm

        Right on, Man!
        Thanks.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 12:28 pm

        Two days ago, the idf were complaining that they caught a hizb drone on its way back to Lebanon – after having spent 20 minutes flying over the southern tip of Galilee (in israel) without being detected by israeli radars.

        Makes one wonder how many hizb drones go on intelligence gathering missions without being detected.

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 12:33 pm

        Stealth drones. Love it.
        New idea: Peace Drones: emit petuolli oil mist over installations.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 12:43 pm

        Iranian made drones, yeah… ready to spray essence of opium and Iranian jasmine over unsuspecting zionists.

        F*ck peace negotiations, lets unleash three billion peace drones over the middle east!

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 12:45 pm

        Yeah, man…thats a kickstarter campaign. We could fill Mother Ships full of ’em…Peace Bombs.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 1:35 pm

        Trouble is, the zionists didn’t come to the middle east for peace and jasmine mist. That’s why I fear that not even a tempest of love-drugs and intoxicating perfumes could ever completely seduce zionists into submitting to universal peace.

    • Kay24
      February 16, 2015, 12:17 pm

      I have never seen a leader so eager for war, inciting, provoking, and doing exactly what he should not be doing, to make enough trouble for all those not wanting any war, or trouble.

      He is a war monger, and making an ass of himself by going against the US President, and trying to sabotage any progress that might be made between Iran and other nations. He has been negative from the time these talks started, being pessimistic, and even predicting it will be a failure, for nothing that will be agreed upon, will be good enough for the leader of the zionists.

      All the rhetoric, name calling and disrespect, seems to come from Beebs the Bungler, he comes across as someone prodding a Bees Hive, hitting it over and over again, and then whining and crying when he is stung. He needs to see a shrink very badly.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 12:33 pm

        Majority WaPo commentators on Ignatius’ article agree with you, Kay.

      • Boomer
        February 16, 2015, 12:51 pm

        re: “I have never seen a leader so eager for war”

        What, never? Well, never since the long-ago days of President George W Bush anyway.

        And that’s defining “leader” narrowly. If you include senators, et. al, you just might find some more recent examples.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 1:00 pm

        Israel is the only country on the planet that doesn’t seem bothered at all by the rise of ISIS.

        Italy is claiming that it needs to go into Libya to bomb ISIS there as they are 350 kilometers from the Italian border. Meanwhile Al Nusra Front, or Alqaida in Syria (as they like to call themselves) are camping out in the Golan and roasting chestnuts with the idf on snowy nights.

        That’s how out of sink the terrorist state of israel is with the rest of the world.

      • seanmcbride
        February 16, 2015, 1:18 pm

        Taxi,

        “Israel is the only country on the planet that doesn’t seem bothered at all by the rise of ISIS.”

        Israel is surely rejoicing over the rise of ISIS, which is providing a propaganda bonanza for neoconservatives who have been promoting the Clash of Civilizations and Global War on Terror.

        Many of ISIS’s cartoonish exercises in political communications sound like they were inspired by Pamela Geller or Daniel Pipes.

        ISIS is very good for Israel in the same way that 9/11 was very good for Israel — as acknowledged by none other than Benjamin Netanyahu. ISIS may succeed in pushing “the West” and “the Muslim world” into an apocalyptic confrontation (holy war) that will enable Greater Israelists to achieve all their maximalist political objectives.

      • seanmcbride
        February 16, 2015, 1:08 pm

        Boomer,

        “re: “I have never seen a leader so eager for war””

        BOOMER: “What, never? Well, never since the long-ago days of President George W Bush anyway.”

        Not even George W. Bush was willing to go to war against Iran — he resisted pressure from Israel and the Israel lobby to do so. Benjamin Netanyahu is in a class by himself on the warmongering front.

        If the Israeli government were not trying to whip up war fever in the United States, the GOP would not be agitating for an American war against Iran. This is all about Israel. None of our European allies are interested in getting involved in a war with Iran. GOP leaders like Lindsey Graham and John Boehner are regurgitating talking points that have been prepared for them by the Israel lobby — they have been well-paid for their efforts.

        George W. Bush’s talking points for the Iraq War were all written by PNAC/Commentary Magazine neoconservatives operating on behalf of the Israeli government and Likud/Greater Israel Zionism — Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Elliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz and company.

      • Kay24
        February 16, 2015, 9:48 pm

        Boomer, I don’t think Bush did the war mongering as much as Bibi. Yes, he did want a war badly, but he had his minions in the media, the zionist (them again) neocons, and of course Darth Cheney to do that part.

      • Kay24
        February 17, 2015, 6:28 am

        Amigo, to your point, this has been circulating for a while now, and Snowden has also mentioned this possibility. There are article mentioning the name of a Jewish person who is Baghdadi now.
        By now Mossad must have trained many of their agents to think, speak, and act like an Arab.

        http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-leader-jew-conspiracy-theory-claims-al-baghdadi-mossad-agent-born-jewish-parents-606213

    • just
      February 16, 2015, 2:17 pm

      His latest, now that the good news has emerged that the WH doesn’t trust Netanyahu:

      “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday criticized the Obama administration over its decision to limit the amount of information it shares with Israel regarding the ongoing nuclear talks with Iran, fearing leaks.

      “Just as Iran knows what kind of agreement is being offered, it’s only natural that Israel should know the details of the deal being formulated,” said Netanyahu during a meeting with the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. “But if there are those who think this is a good agreement, why must it be hidden?””

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.642807

      (happy dance chez moi!)

    • American
      February 16, 2015, 2:32 pm

      Here it is….

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/02/16/a-perfect-storm-brews-in-the-middle-east/

      Netanyahu leaking US info on US Iran talks even after directly asked by Obama not to reveal specifics of on going talks.

      Keep defying the US Netanyahu…ride faster and faster to the Zionist Appointment in Samarra.
      We couldnt have a better tool for separating the US from Israel than Netanyahu.
      Since the next president wont be black Israel will lose an edge in using the racist wing of the GOP against the WH —he’ll be left with only the neos for back up.
      Then the pretense that Isr vr the US is only about Netanyahu vr Obama will bite the dust and it will be the US vr Israel….and war for Israel vr no war for the US.
      The fog is gonna lift.

  28. just
    February 16, 2015, 1:16 pm

    Roger Cohen gets it wrong again. He studies and blames everybody else’s navel, too.

    “Islam and the West at War”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/17/opinion/roger-cohen-islam-and-the-west-at-war.html?_r=0

    The man is incapable of introspection or accurate analysis, imho.

    • Kathleen
      February 16, 2015, 4:19 pm

      What else could one expect from the New York Bloody Times that was very much part and parcel at selling the invasion of Iraq based on Judy “I was fucking right” Miller’s lies. Never quite sure why people expect anything else from that bloody war rag?

  29. Taxi
    February 16, 2015, 2:13 pm

    Man, there is so much anti-netanyahuism going on right now that even yahoo news is publishing ‘un-terrorist’ pictures of Palestinians in small albums:

    ‘Occupied Pleasures’ – Palestinian resilience in the face of occupation:
    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/occupied-pleasures-palestinian-resilience-in-the-face-of-occupation-1424108617-slideshow/

    • Taxi
      February 16, 2015, 2:31 pm

      Angry hasbara trolls are swarming the comments of the article, either denying the existence of Palestine or incensed that yahoonews is “humanizing” the Palestinians – lol! Jolly good to see so much sour grapes commentary cuz that just exposes the ziobots hateful dementia in the face of such beautiful picture and images of Palestinians included in the article. And it’s on yahoones (mass media for the masses: grassroots) – a good place to take the pulse of the collective every now and then.

      • just
        February 16, 2015, 2:35 pm

        I just went to visit~ beautiful pictures! That they elicit such foul comments is something to behold, indeed. Some of those folks are parents…

        pee-yew.

      • Taxi
        February 16, 2015, 2:41 pm

        Religious parents, even.

    • Bornajoo
      February 16, 2015, 3:26 pm

      Thanks for the Yahoo link Taxi

      I read some of the comments too. It does make you laugh that some of the Zionist commenters on MW complain about the language and tone used to discuss Israel/Zionism. Yet on most other MSM sites they are the ones with the most vicious and aggressive comments about the Palestinians and Arabs/Islam in general. It’s of course much worse on pro-zionist websites.

      The problem is they can’t see through their own hypocrisy, it’s way too thick.

  30. Taxi
    February 16, 2015, 3:03 pm

    Five French teens held for vandalising Jewish graves (and no mention of teens being arab/moslem hmmm):
    http://news.yahoo.com/five-french-teens-held-vandalising-jewish-graves-143742759.html

    • just
      February 16, 2015, 3:43 pm

      About the teens:

      “…The youngest came forward after seeing the scale of the reaction across the country to the vandalism, prosecutor Philippe Vannier said.

      “Apparently, he was very, very affected by the scale of the reaction to this affair, including the statements from the highest state authorities,” Vannier told reporters.

      French President Francois Hollande will visit the area on Tuesday.
      The boy, who was encouraged to hand himself in by one of his friends, has denied any anti-Semitic motive, Vannier added.

      “We don’t know the motives of these adolescents who don’t have past criminal records and we don’t know of any ideological convictions that could explain their behaviour.

      “They are very, very shocked by the turn of events.”

      The five boys pushed over tombstones in the cemetery and opened up vaults. A monument to the victims of the Holocaust at the entrance was also vandalised.”

      http://www.afp.com/en/news/five-french-teens-held-vandalising-jewish-graves

      No Muslims??? “They are very, very shocked by the turn of events.”

      Boys just want to have fun, aka nothing to see here.

      • CigarGod
        February 16, 2015, 3:58 pm

        There are different sections in graveyards…for different religions. Might be true they just rampaged a Jewish section and didnt know.

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 4:24 pm

        Or they were trying to get rid of some warts. Did they have a dead cat with them?

  31. Taxi
    February 16, 2015, 3:24 pm

    Goddammit! There’s so much stuff on Netanyahu everywhere you look – I’m completely Netanyahu’d out and there’s still two more weeks to go before zero-speech-hour!

    BiBi Netanyahu: The King of Chutzpah:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-lando/bibi-netanyahu-the-king-of-chutzpah_b_6692506.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    • Mooser
      February 16, 2015, 5:39 pm

      Don’t forget Uri Avnery’s latest on Nettie.
      Avnery says Netiie is owned by Adelson, and Adelson is the defacto leader of Israel through Nettie and Adelson’s free newspaper!

      Avnery ought to know. Linked above.

  32. Daniel Rich
    February 16, 2015, 5:50 pm

    After attacks, Europe fights call for mass migration of Jews…

    Why would they do that? No Jews, no terror attacks, no?

    It looks like this ploy is going to work as well as the World Jewry declaration of war on Germany, back in 1933.

    Way to go goys boys!

  33. American
    February 16, 2015, 9:19 pm

    No sooner than I had asked if Isr also planned on a Jewish body snatch in the US than this appears:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Liberman-tells-US-Jewish-leaders-Its-time-for-massive-aliya-391149

    ”Liberman tells US Jewish leaders: It’s time for massive aliya
    Speaking before the group last year, Liberman said Jerusalem’s goal must be to bring 3.5 million Jews from the Diaspora on aliya in the next decade to boost the Jewish population in Israel to more than 10 million”

    Their problem is there are only 1.6 million jews in europe so the other 2 mil would have to come from the US.
    I have the feeling there are going to lots of staged …er….reported anti semite acts and vandalizing of jewish property very soon now.

    The ADL will be in a pickle when that happens—–if they screech and hype they might scare jews into leaving and then where will their US operation be—-if they dont screech and hype any anti semitism they will be on Isr’s shit list of bad jews.

  34. Kay24
    February 16, 2015, 10:08 pm

    You have got to question Bibi’s sanity, really. For years he keeps saying Israel is constantly UNDER THREAT, blah, blah, and now he INVITES Jews from all over the world to leave the nations they have lived in for years and years, to that very place, to be safe! There is a co-relation between Israel’s violence against the Palestinians and the increasing anti-semitism in some nations, and BIBI is to be BLAMED:

    This Huffpost article says it all.

    “The only word for it is chutzpah: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s call for European Jews to flee to Israel from the claws of a newly rampant anti-Semitism that is supposedly sweeping Europe.

    Why Chutzpah? Because one of the major causes for the upsurge in anti-Semitic attacks in Europe over the past several years have been the actions of Israel–under Netanyahu.

    Those who monitor such attacks for many years have found a direct relationship between outbreaks of deadly violence between Israel and the Palestinians to an upswing of attacks on Jewish targets from cemeteries, to synagogues, to shops, to individuals.

    This has got nothing to do with whether or not you think that Israel’s actions have been justified or not; the fact is that the relationship is clear: Every time Israel undertakes a violent action against the Palestinians–from the first and second Intifadas, to last year’s invasion of Gaza, the result is trouble for the Jews of Europe.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-lando/bibi-netanyahu-the-king-of-chutzpah_b_6692506.html

    Chutzpah is saying it mildly.

    • JeffB
      February 16, 2015, 10:49 pm

      @Kay24

      BS. Europeans have been killing Jews for centuries. The upsurge in violent attacks is worse where Jews have distanced themselves the most from Israel and least where they have stood by Israel the most.

      Europeans don’t kill black people because they don’t like Boco Haram. They don’t kill Chinese people because of Tibet. They don’t kill Americans because they didn’t like Bush. But they do get off on intimidating their indigenous Jewish population. That preference for killing Jews is not because of Israel.

      Netanyahu is just telling Western European Jews the truth. That Europe is crawling with people like you and it is time to just get the heck out of there. European Jews can never be craven enough cowards to satisfy their critics so they need to stand fully, openly and unapologetically for and with Israel.

      Denmark is a wonderful place, a fantastic country with possibly the best government anywhere in the world. But Denmark is a Lutheran country and Denmark’s Jews are not Lutherans. It is time they learn that.

      • RoHa
        February 17, 2015, 3:54 am

        “That preference for killing Jews is not because of Israel. ”

        So why do they have a preference for killing Jews? Give us real, concrete, reasons, and not some vague waffle about “accepting the Other” or similar tripe.

      • justicewillprevail
        February 17, 2015, 6:35 am

        Well, that made me laugh. Lutheran? Most Danes wouldn’t have a clue what you are raving on about. You are so steeped in the zionist mythology that, like S Africa under white rule, you have decided that all countries must be classified as belonging to one group or another, groups which are arbitrarily defined by you. When you look through the lens of zionism this is the kind of self-serving rubbish that you end up with. Myriads of groups administratively divided and separated according to artificial ethnic spurious racial distinctions. Who are then treated differently and awarded different privileges. Except of course, in countries like Denmark which do not act like 19th Century ethnic nationalists aka zionists and other cults. Nationality, citizenship and identity are all the same for JeffyBoy, and if you don’t qualify you can get the hell out. Subtle, huh?
        And as for the other whopper – no, ‘Europeans’ don’t kill black people because of Boka Haram, they killed them in the past because they were racist colonialists, the same as Jewish zionist kill Palestinians – not because of their terrorist groups, but because of who they are. But never mind, Jeffy has a league table of who Europeans prefer to kill, and guess who comes out as the winner. It obviously gives him a great deal of satisfaction to be recognised as such. Never mind the millions who died in slavery, colonialism, two world wars etc etc, there is one group who always win the league for victimisation. And it is not the Lutherans, although I guess they have a claim too. Do you know any? see what I mean.

      • amigo
        February 17, 2015, 7:41 am

        “Netanyahu is just telling Western European Jews the truth. That Europe is crawling with people like you -” jeff b, northridge

        How dare you make such an outrageous statement.You would be better if you took a look out at all those customers waiting for service instead of squatting in the back office in Penn Valley , accusing people here of murdering Jews.

        As to Christians being safe in Israel , try this .

        “In the wake of the ‘price tag’ vandalism at the Latrun monastery, Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa cautions Israelis over how Christians are treated in Israel.
        In a reference to the long-standing, continual incidents of Orthodox Jewish extremists in Jerusalem spitting at Christian clergy, Pizzaballa said: “When I came to the country, I was told that I should know that if I walk around with a frock in the city [of Jerusalem], people would spit on me, and I shouldn’t be offended, it’s normal.” Haaretz

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/senior-catholic-cleric-if-jews-want-respect-they-must-respect-others-1.463320

        Just one in a long line of thuggery by Israeli Jews .

      • eljay
        February 17, 2015, 8:04 am

        || JeffBeee: Europeans have been killing Jews for centuries. ||

        And the solution to acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews was and remains justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied. The answer was not and is not an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine.

        || Netanyahu is just telling Western European Jews the truth. ||

        He’s telling the truth about Israel being a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”, but in order to ensure that he’s able to attract fresh cannon-fodder for the Zio-supremacist project, he’s conveniently omitting the part about Israel being a tiny blue dot in a sea of hostile Arab green, perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea. Funny how that works.

      • just
        February 17, 2015, 8:09 am

        “But Denmark is a Lutheran country and Denmark’s Jews are not Lutherans. It is time they learn that.”

        JeffB~ you are way, way out of line. Danish Jews know who they are, and don’t need you or Netanyahu to set them straight!

        Danish Jews are Danes. Danish Lutherans are Danes. Danish Muslims are Danes. Try to absorb the fact that the Melchior family has 350 years of Danish history…

        “Rabbi Michael Melchior, who traces his family back 350 years in Denmark, slams Israeli leaders for calling on Danish Jews to immigrate after deadly attacks.”

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.642622

        It’s time that you learn something. I would suggest that you remember a little aspect of WW2~ the Danish Resistance and the rescue of Danish Jews. Read about it.

        https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/denmark.html

        Oh, and btw~ Israel is the Jewish state only in your mind, and Netanyahu is not king of the Jews.

      • Bornajoo
        February 17, 2015, 5:50 pm

        @Just
        “Oh, and btw~ Israel is the Jewish state only in your mind, and Netanyahu is not king of the Jews.”

        +10 Just! Great comment

      • eljay
        February 17, 2015, 8:18 am

        || JeffBeee: But Denmark is a Lutheran country and Denmark’s Jews are not Lutherans. ||

        Denmark is a Danish country, and Jewish Danes are Danish. It is f*cked up and anti-Semitic of you to deny some Danish people their nationality, citizenship and homeland simply because they happen to be of the Jewish faith.

      • just
        February 17, 2015, 10:12 am

        Oh, here’s a good article for you to read JeffB~

        “Sephardi roots and stability: 400 years of Danish Jewry

        Denmark’s chief rabbi was “disappointed” by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s call on Sunday for European Jews to immigrate to Israel, following the double shootings in Copenhagen a day earlier, including one at a synagogue that left a young Jewish guard dead. “Terror is not a reason to move to Israel,” added Rabbi Jair Melchior.

        Both the Israeli premier and the Danish chief rabbi drew on history in their remarks – the rabbi on centuries of thriving Jewish life in the Scandinavian nation, Netanyahu on European anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. It is thus fitting to look at the recent incidents in the larger context of the history of Denmark’s Jewish community.

        That history started in 1618, when King Christian IV appointed a Sephardic Jew from Hamburg named Samuel Yakhiya, also known as Albert Dionis, as mintmaster of the newly established mint in Glückstadt (now a city in northern Germany). Impressed by Dionis, the first Jew to be issued a royal Danish letter of protection, the king agreed to the mintmaster’s suggestion to invite Sephardic Jews from Amsterdam and Hamburg to settle in Glückstadt and establish businesses and industry there. In a letter sent on November 22, 1622, King Christian IV promised potential Jewish settlers religious freedom and business licenses.”……………..

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.642902?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        It’s a good article until the author (Elon Gilad) throws in his obligatory Islamophobic warnings…

        It’s also interesting that the title is now changed to:

        “From Medieval mintmasters to nuclear physicists: The history of Denmark’s Jews

        The deadly attack on a Copenhagen synagogue this week should be seen in the context of the tolerant history of Denmark’s Jews.”

      • Walid
        February 17, 2015, 10:41 am

        Are you keeping score of the times Netanyahu got slapped, just?

        1. Paris Chief Rabbi, on the day of the big Charlie Hebdo parade
        2.Prime Minister Valls and President Hollande (twice)
        3. Denmark Chief Rabbi, above
        4. Alain Jakubowicz, President of International League Against Antisemitism

        Did I miss any?

      • just
        February 17, 2015, 11:11 am

        You’re doing a fine job, Walid!

        Well, Mr. Obama has delivered a few. 1) he won’t meet him in March
        2) he won’t tell him the particulars of the Iran negotiations b/c he doesn’t TRUST him. Mr. Kerry won’t meet with him in March and neither will Mr. Biden.

        I can only hope that the “slaps” accelerate, become more numerous, and public. The pariah PM of the pariah state need full frontal exposure. So do the Repubs and Dems who pay obeisance and more to the foreign state, the PM, AIPAC and the MIC. So does the MSM. So does the US corpocracy and its oligarchs.

        Really, this rapid turn of events makes me happier/more hopeful than I’ve been in a long, long time.

      • CigarGod
        February 17, 2015, 11:15 am

        Me, too.
        I like a clear line between the crazies and those who fund them. Unfortunately…the funders keep skipping along…down both sides of the line.

      • Kay24
        February 17, 2015, 9:32 pm

        So how do you know exactly how I am like those people in Europe? It seems you cannot comprehend comments here. After Netanyahu came to power it seems anti semitism has RISEN, and it is mostly because of his stinking policies, and the violence against civilians (last year 60 percent killed were women and children) enough to turn anyone angry against Israel. Americans are warned not to go to certain countries, or to take precautions because there is an anti American sentiment there. Those European Jews Netanyahu needs to fill his illegal settlements, must realize that they are in MORE danger in Israel, after all doesn’t Netanyahu keep telling the world that Israel is under constant threat, and that the rest of the world is out to get them, or wipe them out….so why now urge Jews to come to that very dangerous place? Something’s wrong here.

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 1:20 pm

        “Oh, here’s a good article for you to read JeffB~

        “Sephardi roots and stability: 400 years of Danish Jewry”

        Just, my friend, you lost him at “Sephardi”! After all, “JeffyB” is only interested in authentic Jewish communities and traditions.

  35. JeffB
    February 16, 2015, 10:53 pm

    @W.Jones

    How about 10 hours walking through “all areas” of Israel as a Christian, with a big cross on front?

    Huh? There are people (I’m assuming hawking for money somehow) who actually carry crosses all the time on the Via Dolorosa. You see people in monastic outfits all the time. And of course you see evangelicals all over the north. Christians (tourists and parts for attractions) are fine in Israel.

  36. Qualtrough
    February 16, 2015, 10:57 pm

    Apologies if this has already been noted here, but you may have seen the video “10 Hours of Walking as a Jew in Paris”.

    From the BBC article on the video (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-31491723):

    Although a bodyguard was trailing Klein and his secret cameraman, the abuse didn’t escalate beyond the verbal. “I did think that there might be some violence, but there was none,” he says. In fact some locals spoke out in his defence when heckled, and there was a friendly conversation as well, but these were not filmed and included in the video.

    Note that contrary to his expectations there was no violence, some spoke out in his defense and even engaged him in friendly conversation, but none of that was not filmed, included, or even mentioned in the video. This is your typical MEMRI style activity of combing for material designed to portray Muslims in the worst possible light and studiously avoiding anything that might cast them in a positive light. What is so galling is that if someone put together a video of Orthodox Jews swearing at or spitting on Christian priests in Israel, or Israelis hurling abuse at Africans, etc. they would immediately be accused of anti-semitism.

    • CigarGod
      February 17, 2015, 12:40 am

      Thanks, Taxi.
      #12 and 16 are pet peeves.

    • just
      February 17, 2015, 8:26 am

      Thank you, Taxi! More educational materials to pass around to people that need it! That is very well done.

      It would be nice to have a captive audience in a classroom, pass out the fact sheet, give them study time, then a quiz, then a discussion and then a test followed by more discussion?

      Then they could go out and spread the word…and on and on. Citizen education by citizens. No proselytizing, no preaching, no brainwashing~ just the facts.

  37. seafoid
    February 17, 2015, 2:45 am

    I hope nobody says they always come for the jews. They always kill children in Gaza first.

  38. Accentitude
    February 17, 2015, 3:30 am

    Netanyahu: “To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say ‘Israel is the home of every Jew, Israel is waiting for you with open arms.”

    Let’s change the player and the place and see if it still makes sense:

    Abu Bakr al Baghdadi: “To the Muslims of Europe and to the Muslims of the world I say Da’esh is the home of every Muslim, Da’esh is waiting for you with open arms.”

    Hmmm….something sounds strangely familiar….

    Ok, let’s try again:

    Bob Iger: “To the Mouseketeers of Europe and to the Mouseketeers of the world I say Walt Disney World is the home of every Mouseketeer, Walt Disney World is waiting for you with open arms.”

    Waiiit a minute….now that’s the one I prefer!

    • Mooser
      February 17, 2015, 11:38 am

      M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E! Mockey Mouse, Mickey Mouse! Forever we will hold our banner high!
      Come along and join the club that’s made for you and me….

      I think that is where they got the “Hatikvah from. The lines scan the same.

      • RoHa
        February 18, 2015, 11:50 pm

        Accentitude, Mooser, stop thinking about Annette Funicello’s … erm … attributes. Go and have a cold shower. But not together.

  39. JLewisDickerson
    February 17, 2015, 4:24 am

    RE: “Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack”

    MY COMMENT:
    RE: “Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack”

    MY COMMENT:
    Keep movin’, movin’, movin’
    Though they’re disapprovin’
    Keep them European Jews movin’, rawhide
    Don’t try to understand ’em
    Just rope an’ throw an’ brand ’em
    Soon we’ll be livin’ high and wide . . .

    . . . Move ’em out, head ’em up
    Head ’em up, move ’em on
    Move ’em out, head ’em up
    Rawhide

    Cut ’em out, ride ’em in
    Ride ’em in, cut ’em out
    Cut ’em out, ride ’em in
    Rawhide, ha, ha . . .

    BENJAMIN “ROWDY” NETANYAHU PLAYED BY CLINT EASTWOOD:

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 4:46 am

      P.S. PERHAPS JOHN HAGEE WILL CLAIM THAT GOD SENT THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS TO HERD EUROPEAN JEWS INTO ISRAEL!

      ED KOCH DEFENDING “PASTOR” JOHN HAGEE:

      “Why McCain Should Have Stood by Hagee”, By Ed Koch, Politico, 6/03/08
      [EXCERPTS] Senator John McCain was wrong to reject the endorsement of Texas evangelist Rev. John Hagee.
      Several years ago Rev. Hagee
      delivered a sermon that was caught on tape in which he preached, “Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, ‘My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.” Anyone hearing the tape would conclude that Hagee is hostile to the Jews, but nothing could be further from the truth. He and his congregants are among Israel’s strongest supporters. For religious reasons, they want Israel to rule supreme over all of the lands that made up the ancient Jewish kingdoms of Israel and Judea.Evangelicals believe that the Messiah – Jesus Christ – cannot return to the earth until the Jews return to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), they having been expelled by the Romans in 70 AD after the Second Temple — the one built by Herod — was destroyed.
      Christian fundamentalists believe that every word of the Old and New Testaments represents the will of God. . .
      . . . Rev. Hagee, being a fundamentalist, believes that each word is the word of God, and that everything that occurs on Earth happens as a result of God’s direction. Events caused by people like Hitler, for some fundamentalists, are explained as a punishment visited by God on Jews who had fallen away from the faith and did not follow all of God’s mandates. . .
      . . . Rev. Hagee apparently believes that Hitler was used by God to bring the Jews back to the promised land. . .
      . . . Hagee was not praising Hitler the monster, he was simply offering the fundamentalist opinion that Hitler was used by God to cause the creation of a Jewish state to which the Jews of the world would return.
      Hagee’s followers have supported the State of Israel in many tangible ways. Evangelicals continue to visit Israel as tourists even during the most dangerous times, which is more than can be said for some Diaspora Jews.
      It has become fashionable among liberals, including Jews, to ridicule and denounce Hagee and other fundamentalists. I do not. I appreciate their support of the State of Israel and thank them for their enormous contributions to the Jewish state. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/why_mccain_should_have_stood_b.html

      P.P.S. FROM TONY KARON, 07/26/11:

      [EXCERPT] . . . Instead of trying to exterminate Europe’s Jews, [Anders Behring] Breivik suggests Hitler ought to have enforced Zionism: “He could have easily worked out an agreement with the UK and France to liberate the ancient Jewish Christian lands with the purpose of giving the Jews back their ancestral lands,” Breivik writes. “The UK and France would perhaps even contribute to such a campaign in an effort to support European reconciliation. The deportation of the Jews from Germany wouldn’t be popular but eventually, the Jewish people would regard Hitler as a hero because he returned the Holy land to them.” . . .

      SOURCE – http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/07/26/norway-terror-accused-breivik-on-the-jewish-question/

      • CigarGod
        February 17, 2015, 9:05 am

        Very interesting. So, God is all things to all people. Does the guy realize he is channeling Carl Sagan?

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 1:04 pm

      P.P.P.S. ALSO RE: “Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack”

      MY COMMENT: Aliya isn’t just for Jews anymore!

      SEE: “Christian Missionary Joel Rosenberg and Family Make Aliyah”, Posted by Jewish Israel on September 21, 2014

      [EXCERPTS]

      First, we are moving to Israel as a family. For the last several years, we have sensed God calling us to immigrate to the land of Israel (to “make Aliyah”) and follow the path of our forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Based on my Jewish roots on my father’s side, the State of Israel has granted us citizenship. We are now dual citizens of the United States and Israel, and are deeply grateful to the Lord for making this possible in His timing and by His grace.” —- Joel Rosenberg, August 13, 2014

      Joel Rosenberg, a renowned “end-times” author and missionary, who promotes proselytizing the Jewish people and dedicates resources to targeting Israelis for conversion, has managed to make Aliyah with his family.
      Like messianic attorney Jamie Cowen, Rosenberg is an influential evangelical leader who hails from the Washington DC area and who apparently immigrated to Israel as a believing Christian via a loophole in Israel’s Law of Return – a law which was ripped open in 2008
      by Evangelical/messianic attorney Calev Myers of Israel’s Yehuda Raveh law offices and the Jerusalem Institute of Justice (JIJ). Rosenberg’s testimony of his family background can be read here.
      Like evangelist Mike Evans, Rosenberg is a best-selling author who writes biblical prophecy fulfillment novels which tie in to current news events, usually from a “pro-Israel” perspective. Like Evans, Rosenberg is involved in a number of “charitable outreach” missions in Israel. Also like Evans, Rosenberg flaunts the endorsements he has received from high-ranking Israeli diplomats and politicians. . .

      ENTIRE POST – http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/christian-missionary-joel-rosenberg-and-family-make-aliyah

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 9:28 pm

      P.P.P.P.S. ALSO RE: “Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack”

      SEE:
      Bibi’s Bizarre Call for Jews to Flee Europe for Israel
      “Netanyahu: the King of Chutzpah”
      by Barry Lando, CounterPunch.org, February 17, 2015
      LINK – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/17/netanyahu-the-king-of-chutzpah/

  40. Walid
    February 17, 2015, 10:12 am

    Yet another slap in the face for Netanyahu; he’s becoming a punching bag:

    In an interview of Alain Jakubowicz, the President of the International League Against Racism and Antisemitism by Le Figaro, he said Jews in France have a future there since they have a past and that he has asked Netanyahu to stop encouraging French Jews to return to Israel. Jakubowicz said that it was to be expected for Israeli leaders to do it but that Netanyahu’s repeated calls to do so are devastating. There is a way that this should be asked but the way Netanyahu is doing it is menacing and cataclysmic. Netanyahu conveys to French Jews that they are second class citizens that their country can no longer protect.

    Jakubowicz went on to say that Netanyahu is re-asserting that Jews have dual loyalties and that they aren’t really French, which feeds anti-Semitism. He also said that the reunification of all the world’s Jews in Israel to create a village worthy of Asterix would be a disaster for the world and for the Jews. It is often thought there is an exodus of French Jews, which is an exaggeration. In fact, thousands have chosen to go to Israel and elsewhere; some of these had problems living their Judaism according to the Torah in neighbourhoods of a secular society, but this is not an exodus and it shouldn’t become one. There is a difference between what happened with Merah (Toulouse) and Charlie Hebdo; this must be deconstructed to show that it’s a matter of French citizens.

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/02/17/01016-20150217ARTFIG00117-jakubowicz-les-juifs-de-france-ont-un-avenir-car-ils-ont-un-passe.php

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 9:43 pm

      RE: “He also said that the reunification of all the world’s Jews in Israel to create a village worthy of Asterix would be a disaster for the world and for the Jews.” ~ Alain Jakubowicz, the President of the International League Against Racism and Antisemitism (from Walid’s comment above)

      FROM WIKIPEDIA [Asterix]:

      This article is about the comic book series. For the character, see Asterix (character). For other uses, see Asterix (disambiguation).
      Not to be confused with asterisk.

      [EXCERPT] Asterix or The Adventures of Asterix (French: Astérix or Astérix le Gaulois, IPA: [asteʁiks lə ɡolwa]) is a series of French comics. The series first appeared in the Franco-Belgian comics magazine Pilote on 29 October 1959. It was written by René Goscinny and illustrated by Albert Uderzo until the death of Goscinny in 1977. Uderzo then took over the writing until 2009, when he sold the rights to publishing company Hachette. As of 2013, 35 volumes have been released.
      The series follows the exploits of a village of indomitable Gauls as they resist Roman occupation. They do so by means of a magic potion, brewed by their druid called Getafix in the English translations, which gives the recipient superhuman strength. The protagonist, the titular character Asterix, along with his friend Obelix have various adventures. The “ix” ending of both names (as well as all the other pseudo-Gaulish “ix” names in the series) alludes to the “rix” suffix (meaning “king”) present in the names of many real Gaulish chieftains such as Vercingetorix, Orgetorix, and Dumnorix. Many of the stories have them travel to foreign countries, though others are set in and around their village. For much of the history of the series (Volumes 4 through 29), settings in Gaul and abroad alternated, with even-numbered volumes set abroad and odd-numbered volumes set in Gaul, mostly in the village.
      The Asterix series is one of the most popular Franco-Belgian comics in the world, with the series being translated into over 100 languages, and it is popular in most European countries.[1]
      The success of the series has led to the adaptation of several books into 12 films: eight animated, and four live action. There have also been a number of games based on the characters, and a theme park near Paris, Parc Astérix. To date, 325 million copies of 34 Asterix books have been sold worldwide, making co-creators René Goscinny and Albert Uderzo France’s bestselling authors abroad.[2][3] . . .

      • JLewisDickerson
        February 17, 2015, 9:56 pm
      • RoHa
        February 18, 2015, 1:02 am

        The comics are hilarious. The films are best avoided.

      • Bornajoo
        February 18, 2015, 4:23 am

        Ah! Thanks for the tip RoHa. In that case I’ll stick with my memories of the comics.

      • Walid
        February 18, 2015, 5:33 am

        “… In that case I’ll stick with my memories of the comics. ” (Bornajoo)

        I didn’t like either, it was a cult thing.

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 9:57 pm

      ASTERIX : The Mansion of the Gods International Trailer (English Subtitles)

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 17, 2015, 9:59 pm

      Asterix in Britain (Astérix chez les Bretons) – Film Trailer with English Subtitles

      • Walid
        February 17, 2015, 10:41 pm

        Gérard Depardieu played the role of Obélix in 4 Astérix movies:

        Astérix et Obélix contre César in 1998
        Astérix et Obélix : mission Cléopâtre in 2001
        Astérix aux Jeux Olympiques in 2006
        Astérix et Obélix : au service de sa Majesté in 2012

        Trailer from Astérix et Obélix contre César

      • JLewisDickerson
        February 17, 2015, 11:17 pm

        RE: the trailer/clip for Astérix et Obélix contre César in 1998 posted by Walid above

        MY COMMENT: That trailer (i.e., video clip) begins by showing a nice example of a paling fence made of pales (pointed pieces of wood) surrounding a “pale”.

        SEE “BEYOND THE PALE”, phrases.org.uk:

        [EXCERPT] . . . This ‘pale’ is the noun meaning ‘a stake or pointed piece of wood’. That meaning is virtually obsolete now except as used in this phrase, but is still in use in the associated words ‘paling’ (as in paling fence) and ‘impale’ (as in Dracula movies).
        The paling fence is significant as the term pale became to mean the area enclosed by such a fence and later just the figurative meaning of ‘the area that is enclosed and safe’. So, to be ‘beyond the pale’ was to be outside the area accepted as ‘home’.
        Catherine the Great created the Pale of Settlement in Russia in 1791. This was the name given to the western border region of the country, in which Jews were allowed to live. The motivation behind this was to restrict trade between Jews and native Russians. Some Jews were allowed to live, as a concession, ‘beyond the pale’.
        Pales were enforced in various other European countries for similar political reasons, notably in Ireland (the Pale of Dublin) and France (the Pale of Calais, which was formed as early as 1360). . .

        SOURCE – http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beyond-the-pale.html

        JPEG IMAGE OF A PALE SURROUNDED BY A PALING FENCE (a screen capture from the film Arn: The Knight Templar, 2007)

      • just
        February 17, 2015, 11:24 pm

        JLD and Walid~ thanks for the Astérix clips and info!!!

      • Bornajoo
        February 18, 2015, 3:31 am

        Ditto that Just. Thanks JLD, Walid
        Used to read Asterisk as a kid. Never saw the films but I think I’ll try and find them. Now I also know where that phrase “beyond the pale” originates from.

      • Walid
        February 17, 2015, 11:31 pm

        Thanks, JLD, that was interesting; always wondered what “beyond the pale” was about. Now it makes Alain Jakubowicz’ allusion to Netanyahu creating a “paled” village for the world’s Jews understandable. He’s already got a good part of it walled-in with the concrete apartheid wall.

      • JLewisDickerson
        February 18, 2015, 3:15 am

        I like to say Israel is a country surrounded by an Iron Wall and topped by an Iron Dome, but they are built upon a crumbling foundation (as opposed to an ‘iron foundation’ in the form of a formal, written constitution that is not easily overridden.

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 1:10 pm

        Dickerson, this information is welcome, and eases my mind quite a bit. I always thought that it was ” The Pale Oaf Settlement” and I was afraid of being sent there,

  41. JeffB
    February 17, 2015, 10:17 am

    @RoHa

    So why do they have a preference for killing Jews? Give us real, concrete, reasons, and not some vague waffle about “accepting the Other” or similar tripe.

    Sure let’s pick two you can see here.

    Because the Christians directly adopted so much of Judaism they have a peculiar relationship to it. Christian theology sees itself as both a continuation and a repudiation of Judaism. Jews in much of the New Testament are cast into various archtypes associated with sinful states and entities. For example in Paul’s writings there are frequent references to the Archons of the Aion: supernatural rulers of the age ephemeral powers that surround the earth and with whom Christians are called to do spiritual battle. The earthly representation of the Archons are often the religious authorities i.e. the Jews.

    Jews in Christian countries become entities of cosmic importance and associated with the dark forces in their countrymen’s own lives and thoughts. . This is underlying motivation of the European obsession with Israel. Rationally it a small country, far away that has only limited trade and cultural contact with them. Ideologically it is the epicenter of their own impurities the externalization of their own sins.

    There is also a second factor which is that Judaism is not a religion of belief but one of practice. Those practices are often the cultural components of what was until recently the dead country of Judaea. To be Jewish is to be a foreigner. You see this on this blog quite frequently where Mondoweiss itself cultivates the Jews aren’t really Americans and only by abandoning Judaism (which they call Zionism) can they become Americans.

    • JLewisDickerson
      February 18, 2015, 3:26 am

      ALSO SEE: “Striking Fear in Paris”, by Uri Avnery, CounterPunch.org, January 16-18, 2015

      [EXCERPT] . . . Apparently, there is a lot of anti-Semitism in France and other European countries, though probably far less than Islamophobia. But the fight between Jews and Arabs on French soil has little to do with anti-Semitism. It is a struggle imported from North Africa.

      When the Algerian war of liberation broke out in 1954, the Jews there had to choose sides. Almost all decided to support the colonial power, France, against the Algerian people.

      That had a historical background. In 1870, the French minister of justice, Adolphe Cremieux, who happened to be a Jew, conferred French citizenship on all Algerian Jews, separating them from their Muslim neighbors.

      The Algerian Liberation Front (FLN) tried very hard to draw the local Jews to their side. I know because I was somewhat involved. Their underground organization in France asked me to set up an Israeli support group, in order to convince our Algerian co-religionists. I founded the “Israeli Committee For A Free Algeria” and published material which was used by the FLN in their effort to win over the Jews.

      In vain. The local Jews, proud of their French citizenship, staunchly supported the colonists. In the end, the Jews were prominent in the OAS, the extreme French underground which conducted a bloody struggle against the freedom fighters. The result was that practically all the Jews fled Algeria together with the French when the day of reckoning arrived. They did not go to Israel. Almost all of them went to France. (Unlike the Moroccan and Tunisian Jews, many of whom came to Israel. Generally, the poorer and less educated chose Israel, while the French-educated elite went to France and Canada.)

      What we see now is the continuation of this war between Algerian Muslims and Jews on French soil. All the four “French” Jews killed in the attack had North African names and were buried in Israel. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/16/striking-fear-in-paris/

      • CigarGod
        February 18, 2015, 9:13 am

        Fantastic, JLD!
        In process of viewing/reading The Battle of Algiers. So well done as to cause and effect. So easy to understand the process/methods used today to subdue/control populations.
        Want to understand the French issue, Palestinian, even the slide to the extreme right in the USA? That film is a good place to start.

      • Boomer
        February 18, 2015, 9:59 am

        Thanks, JLD, your comments are worth reading, I’ve learned. This one reminds us how much of our lives are governed by the past, even bits of the past seemingly long ago and far away, about which we know nothing. As Faulkner said, “The past is never dead, it’s not even past.”

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 4:35 pm

        “Thanks, JLD, your comments are worth reading, I’ve learned”

        And in addition to that he uses a consistent, yet highly personal form (at least, I haven’t seen anything else quite like it) or format for his comments, and clearly separates his own comments from quoted material. Plus links. And he keeps it crisp.

    • RoHa
      February 18, 2015, 9:33 pm

      Also, on the topic of clinging on to “cultures”, I came across this the other day.

      “To complicate things further, the Brits have main meal dishes which are described as pudding – black pudding and white pudding. These are revolting subsistence foods from the dark ages made with offal, ground oatmeal, dried pork and rubbish from the kitchen floor. The difference between the black and white puddings is that the black one contains substantial quantities of blood. This, much like haggis, is one of those foodstuffs that modern life has saved us from but that people insist on dredging up because it’s a part of their “cultural heritage.” Bathing once a year and shitting in a bucket was a part of your cultural heritage too, you know. At least be consistent.”

      http://septicscompanion.com/showcat.php?cat=food

    • talknic
      February 19, 2015, 9:58 pm

      @ JeffB

      “Jews in Christian countries become entities of cosmic importance and associated with the dark forces in their countrymen’s own lives and thoughts. . This is underlying motivation of the European obsession with Israel. Rationally it a small country, far away that has only limited trade and cultural contact with them. Ideologically it is the epicenter of their own impurities the externalization of their own sins”

      I understand you need JeffB. Nothing of course to do with 67 years of illegal facts on the ground ignoring UNSC resolutions affording the Jewish state more than ample opportunities to comply with its legal obligations

      “You see this on this blog quite frequently where Mondoweiss itself cultivates the Jews aren’t really Americans and only by abandoning Judaism (which they call Zionism) can they become Americans”

      What is it about the JeffB’s for Israeli intransigence that they can’t stop lying?

    • RoHa
      February 21, 2015, 12:46 am

      Well, that’s a weird moderating decision. Ban the main post, but publish the coda.

      I don’t understand why my previous attempt was moderated, but I’ll try again. Perhaps if I make it clearer, they might pass it. (Was sich überhaupt sagen lässt, lässt sich klar sagen…)

      Thanks for those reasons. A reason based on Christian belief, and another based on Jewish practice. Much better than the nonsense about some sort of inbuilt anti-Semitic instinct.

      Of course, since Christianity is waning dramatically in Europe, the first reason will soon cease to apply.

      It seems to me that your second reason is suggesting that that Jews bring a lot of anti-Semitism onto themselves by refusing to be part of the society they live in.

      I am not allowed to say that. (…und wovon man nicht reden kann, darüber muss man schweigen.)

      “by abandoning Judaism (which they call Zionism)”

      So Judaism is the same as Zionism? A lot of Jews on this site disagree with that. But, since Zionists are the enemies of mankind, you (and not I) have just declared that Jews – followers of Judaism – are the enemies of mankind.

      “Judaism is not a religion of belief but one of practice.”

      So the God stuff is just an optional extra?

      “Those practices are often the cultural components of what was until recently the dead country of Judaea. To be Jewish is to be a foreigner.”

      All those centuries of keeping up the practices of a defunct country for no discernible reason, and being persecuted because of it, when the easy (and morally preferable) alternative was just to become part of the surrounding culture. (Or is it that which I am not allowed to say? A similar sentiment was edited from another post.) And we keep getting told that Jews are smart.

      Incidentally, Judea is still defunct.

      • JeffB
        February 25, 2015, 4:15 pm

        @RoHa

        Of course, since Christianity is waning dramatically in Europe, the first reason will soon cease to apply

        I think it will be centuries till Christian memes disappear from European societies. In theory that might fix the problem eventually and that would be nice. But Jews need to live through those 1/2 dozen plus generations.

        It seems to me that your second reason is suggesting that that Jews bring a lot of anti-Semitism onto themselves by refusing to be part of the society they live in.

        Well yeah. “anti-Semitism” in the racial sense, believing that Judaism is a genetic disease for which even baptism cannot cure, is relatively recent. While Jews could in previous centuries be killed for denying Christ, those that accepted Christ joined the societies to which they were a part within a few generations. The problems came in Eastern Europe primarily where they couldn’t / didn’t do this because the Jewish community was large enough to form a long term viable sub-culture.

        One of the reasons that anti-Semitism is less pronounced in the USA is that USA Jews created a form of Judaism which was structurally Protestant. So they became effectively just another denomination, Jews became to white Christian Americans white people in the 1950s.

        So Judaism is the same as Zionism? A lot of Jews on this site disagree with that. But, since Zionists are the enemies of mankind, you (and not I) have just declared that Jews – followers of Judaism – are the enemies of mankind.

        I read your enemy of mankind post. It is silly. Every inch of France exists to serve the interests of the French. Every inch of China exists to serve the interests of the Chinese. They are unapologetic about this. That makes either France or China the enemies only of those who attempt to steal France or China from them. Similarly every inch of Israel exists for Israelis.

        Your problem is that you simply refuse to treat Jews equally to other nations.

        JeffB: “Judaism is not a religion of belief but one of practice.”

        So the God stuff is just an optional extra?

        Judaism is not say Buddhism which takes no position on the deity. Belief is a far less important facet than the practice. Whether it is fully optional or not, is a stretch. Being religious or not is question of practice: shomer Shabbos, non-kosher vs. kosher for Passover vs. kosher vs. specific orthodox systems / hekhshers.

        All those centuries of keeping up the practices of a defunct country for no discernible reason, and being persecuted because of it, when the easy (and morally preferable) alternative was just to become part of the surrounding culture. (Or is it that which I am not allowed to say?

        It might very well have been morally preferable for Jews to have just disappeared in the 2nd century. But they didn’t and they formed a system designed to last. And how they got their country back.

        Incidentally, Judea is still defunct.

        You certainly whine about the new Judaea not being defunct enough to disprove that.

        Judaea today has its people back. They speak its language. They worship the God of Judaea. They pull in the worshippers of that God back to their land where they have lots of Judean babies. Judaea has risen from the grave and in her resurrection a wonder to behold.

      • RoHa
        February 28, 2015, 1:19 am

        ews are not a nation. Zionists are not a nation.

        France is a nation, and the French are citizens of that nation.
        China is a nation, and the Chinese are citizens of that nation.

        France and China defend their territory and act (or should act) in support of all their citizens (French and Chinese Jews as well), regardless of the ethnicity or religion of those citizens.

        The Zionists did not have a territory, but chose to take the territory of another country and drive out the people who lived there. They are not concerned with citizenship but with ethnicity.

        If you wish to refer to Algeria and Tibet as examples of France and China behaving like Zionists, go ahead. That might make the French and Chinese governments of the time enemies of mankind. It won’t stop the Zionists from being enemies of mankind.

        As for Judea, it has long ceased to exist. Israel is a new invention, not a continuation of that ancient country.

  42. JeffB
    February 17, 2015, 10:30 am

    @Just

    I’m not sure why you are posting that Jews have lived places for long times. Of course they have. Jews didn’t live on Antarctica for the 1900 years of the diaspora. There was a thriving long standing Jewish community in Egypt, now there isn’t. There was a thriving long standing Jewish community in Morocco now there isn’t.

    I don’t believe in a 350 year old thriving Denmark Jewish community, I think the evidence is pretty clear of the first migration being 1682 and that community being small, roughly the same size until the 19th century. If it was thriving the population would have increased sharply during that period of time. There is plenty of record of legal discrimination and it appears to have worked to prevent a thriving Jewish community. From there Denmark does admit some more Jews and then closes the door. So Denmark was never a thriving community. Recently Denmark hasn’t tolerated pro-Israeli sentiments from its Jewish population. This is a clear statement by Danes that Jews are Danish by gift not right.

    You want to change that then change it. But deal with reality not fantasy. Jewish communities come under pressure. In previous centuries they suffered, died and sometimes managed to partial escape. Jews now have options and they don’t have to just suffer through it. Now the pressure gets slight and they leave for Israel. The result is that Israel is a ever greater percentage of Jews.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 17, 2015, 11:59 am

      I don’t believe in a 350 year old thriving Denmark Jewish community

      oh whoa is me,
      whom to believe?
      the danish chief rabbi
      or our own jeffbee?

      Recently Denmark hasn’t tolerated pro-Israeli sentiments from its Jewish population. This is a clear statement by Danes that Jews are Danish by gift not right.

      source? or is this just another of your theories framed as ultimate truths? you need to start backing up some of your allegations w/supporting links instead of clogging up the threads with endless allegations.

    • eljay
      February 17, 2015, 12:09 pm

      || JeffBeee: … Jewish communities come under pressure. In previous centuries they suffered, died and sometimes managed to partial escape. ||

      Homosexual communities come under pressure. In previous centuries they suffered, died and sometimes managed to partial escape.

      The solution to acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews, homosexuals and other persecuted minorities was and is justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied. The answer was not and is not the creation of supremacist states.

    • just
      February 17, 2015, 12:16 pm

      Read it, JeffB.

      http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.642902?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      I actually know a lot about this. So stop playing victim and fear monger for the Danes who happen to be Jewish~ they don’t want it, and they don’t need it.

      JeffB: “The result is that Israel is a ever greater percentage of Jews.”

      And there, ladies and gentlemen, is JeffB’s (and every Zionist’s) goal and measure of success. A very celebration of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 17, 2015, 2:25 pm

        just, jeff doesn’t like backing up his allegations. period. presenting him with articles and facts is practically a worthless endeavor (except we appreciate them!)!

      • Mooser
        February 18, 2015, 1:14 pm

        “facts is practically a worthless endeavor (except we appreciate them!)!”

        It’s a two-fer, Annie. I get a huge laugh out of “JeffyB”s comments, then come back the next day and read all the informative answers often with many links.

        But I’ll never, ever eat the eggs.

      • amigo
        February 18, 2015, 2:31 pm

        “But I’ll never, ever eat the eggs.”mooser

        Jeffeees eggs are all white and no yolk.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 18, 2015, 5:27 pm

        oh i see jeff is ignoring the request to back up his allegation while trying to post it on another thread. hmm.

    • RoHa
      February 17, 2015, 7:59 pm

      “Recently Denmark hasn’t tolerated pro-Israeli sentiments from its Jewish population. This is a clear statement by Danes that Jews are Danish by gift not right.”

      Does Denmark tolerate pro-Israeli sentiments from any part of its population? If not, this is not discrimination against Jews.

      And how does this show that Jews are Danish by gift and not by right?

      Recently Germany hasn’t tolerated sentiments questioning the Holocaust story from some Germans. Is that a clear statement that those Germans are German by gift, and not by right?

  43. michal
    February 17, 2015, 12:49 pm

    “No other foreign government argues that millions of Americans, because of their religion, are in “exile””

    True, because ISIS is not foreign government. But al-Baghdadi makes the exact same calls on Muslims.

    • eljay
      February 17, 2015, 2:46 pm

      || michal: True, because ISIS is not foreign government. But al-Baghdadi makes the exact same calls on Muslims. ||

      Jewish supremacists and Muslim supremacists: “Shared common values” and “no light between”.

      • Walid
        February 17, 2015, 3:56 pm

        Good news for Michal, eljay, the US announced tonight that it worked out a deal with Turkey to train and equip the Syrian opposition. Since there is no such thing as an opposition in Syria, the US must be talking about the Nusra branch of ISIS. The US training program in Jordan appears to have failed so now it’s back to Turkey where the program initially started 4 years ago.

  44. JLewisDickerson
    February 17, 2015, 1:11 pm

    RE: “Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack”

    SEE: The end of aliya? | The Times of Israel
    Sep 9, 2014 – Israel’s immigration officials are frustrated. Aliya, the immigration of Jews to Israel, is declining, and nobody quite knows what to do about it.
    LINK – http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-end-of-aliya/

  45. JeffB
    February 17, 2015, 1:35 pm

    @Walid

    Are you keeping score of the times Netanyahu got slapped, just?

    1. Paris Chief Rabbi, on the day of the big Charlie Hebdo parade
    2.Prime Minister Valls and President Hollande (twice)

    Seems to me there has been a pretty big crackdown against anti-israeli and anti-Jewish activity in France. A hard shift to the right on the Israel issue. And emigration from France is up. This isn’t a popularity contest it is about policy. Who cares if Hollande likes Natanyahu? What matters is if he enacts policies that benefit Israel.

    Please let me get slapped daily where people say mean things and then do what I want.

    • Walid
      February 17, 2015, 3:47 pm

      “Please let me get slapped daily where people say mean things and then do what I want. ” (Jeff)

      You have the same mentality as Netanyahu; you missed the interview I posted above of Alain Jakubowicz, the President of the League Against Racism and Antisemitism that wiped the floor with Netanyahu and his antics that are putting French Jews at risk. The man is saying that there is no exodus of French Jews but a few thousands that wanted to live their Judaism according to the Torah and that’s why they went to Israel.

      Scroll back 11 posts and you’ll find it.

  46. just
    February 17, 2015, 8:09 pm

    “Anger of Suspect in Danish Killings Is Seen as Only Loosely Tied to Islam

    COPENHAGEN — When Aydin Soei, a sociologist in Denmark, met members of an inner-city gang in 2008, one teenage tough stood out as more intelligent than his peers, and more mercurial. He showed little interest in Islam, but a deep loathing for Denmark, the country where he was born and spent his entire life.

    On Sunday, that former gang member, Omar Abdel Hamid el-Hussein, died in a gun battle with Danish police officers just a few hundred yards from his boyhood home in Norrebro, an immigrant area of the Danish capital. It was the final, bloody episode of a short and angry life that included street crime and macho violence and ended with a 15-hour explosion of militancy on the streets of Copenhagen.

    As the authorities across Europe try to figure out how radical Islam turns a tiny but dangerous minority of young Muslims into terrorists, Mr. Soei, the sociologist, said that Mr. Hussein, 22, was an exemplar of a phenomenon of Europe’s urban neighborhoods, not a product of the teachings of the Quran or their distortions by militant preachers.

    “This wasn’t an intellectual Islamist with a long beard,” Mr. Soei said. “This was a loser man from the ghetto who is very, very angry at Danish society.”

    The Danish authorities have still not officially named Mr. Hussein as the gunman who killed a Danish film director on Saturday at the cafe and a Jewish security guard at a synagogue later Sunday, wounding five police officers during the onslaught. But Mr. Hussein’s former neighbors, who have had their homes searched by the police, and others who knew the dead suspect, said Mr. Hussein was indeed the man responsible for Denmark’s worst terrorist violence since the 1980s.

    “I’m just as shocked as the rest of the world,” his distraught father, a Palestinian from Jordan, told the newspaper Jyllands Posten on Monday, adding that the first he knew of his son’s actions was when the authorities contacted him on Sunday.”

    much more @ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/17/world/europe/copenhagen-denmark-attacks.html?smid=tw-share

  47. Kay24
    February 17, 2015, 10:31 pm

    Despite acting like an out of control maniac, the people of Israel still love him, and will vote for him.

    “Netanyahu is cheap, petty, paranoid – but coated in Teflon
    In a country with a normal spine, the prime minister’s recurrent scandals would have dealt his career a mortal blow. But in Israel, they just boost his polls.

    Attorney Jacob Weinroth, who has represented Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in previous imbroglios, was once asked by a colleague if he thought Netanyahu was corrupt. “No,” Weinroth responded unequivocally. “Netanyahu wouldn’t take a bribe. He’s incapable of ever giving anything to anyone.”
    Haaretz

    Pretty low standards for Israeli voters.

  48. Kay24
    February 18, 2015, 4:51 am

    Playing victim comes easy to Bibi.

    Aww poor Beebs and Sara, their lavish spending comes under scrutiny, yet playing the victim card, might do the trick, if it can work for Israel, it can work for the Beebs family too:

    “The State Comptroller report tells us what we already know about Netanyahu
    Report revealing hedonism of Israel’s prime minister is out. And yet, somehow Netanyahu and his aides will manage to convince Israelis that he’s the victim in all of this.
    By Yossi Verter 09:12 18.02.15 1

    One of the more memorable statements made by the poetess of poverty from the prime minister’s residence, Sara Netanyahu, in the viral video clip in which she mourned her bitter fate over a wreath of dried pomegranates, was, “It’s related to how we try to save money. Haaretz

  49. amigo
    February 18, 2015, 9:27 am

    Here is an interesting debate on BBC Newsnight between Dori Gold and David Cesarani (Jewish historian) on Netanyahu,s call to Jews to leave Europe En Masse.Dori Gold is disassembled by Cesarani.

  50. crone
    February 18, 2015, 9:54 am

    Slightly off-topic… Pat Lang has interesting piece at his website.

    HARPER: NETANYAHU WRECKED TWO STATE DEAL IN 2011

    With Israeli elections a month away, the internal warfare inside Israel is bubbling to the surface. The latest revelation to hit Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu appeared in the widely-read Times of Israel this week. Back in the summer of 2011, then-Israeli President Shimon Peres was engaged in intense diplomacy with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. The two men held a series of secret meetings in Jordan and other locations and hammered out a deal that was remarkably similar to the proposal offered two years later by US Secretary of State John Kerry. During his back and forth consultations with President Abbas, Peres kept Prime Minister Netanyahu fully informed of all of the discussions.

    At one point in late July 2011, Peres and Abbas reached a deal, and the two men planned to meet on July 28 in Amman, Jordan to sign on the dotted line. Abbas’ plane was in the air en route to Amman when Peres was told that Netanyahu rejected the proposal. Abbas turned his plane around and returned to Ramallah, and the last best chance for a viable two-state solution was blown up. In hindsight, Netanyahu never had any intention of seriously reaching a deal.

    The fact that the story, which appeared a year ago in some Arab and Western media, hit the Israeli public at this sensitive moment is indicative of the behind-the-scenes warfare going on in the run-up to the elections on March 17. Netanyahu’s backroom deal with US Speaker of the House John Boehner to bypass the White House altogether and arrange a Netanyahu address before a joint session of Congress on March 3 has blown up in both Boehner and Bibi’s face. Israeli Ambassador to the US Ron Dermer, who never informed Secretary of State Kerry about the planned Congressional address during a two-hour face to face meeting, is virtually persona non grata for the Administration. Liberal Democrats are considering a boycott of the Netanyahu appearance, and if a sizable number of Jewish Members of Congress stay away, this could undermine Netanyahu’s whole scheme to pull off an election victory on the strength of a bipartisan standing ovation on Capitol Hill. AIPAC is scrambling to damage control the affair, and even the head of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai Brith Abe Foxman has called for Bibi to reject the invitation.

    The Peres-Abbas deal was fair–even beyond fair from any sane Israeli standpoint. The newly established Palestinian state was to be demilitarized. Negotiations were to determine land-swap modifications of the 1967 borders. Contentious issues, including the status of the holy sites in Jerusalem and the “right of return” were to be put off for a later date to allow for the establishment of the two states. In the Peres-Abbas talks, it had been suggested that Israel allow 150,000 Palestinians to return to Israel–over a 15 year period. 150,000 out of 5 million. It guaranteed a solid Jewish majority in Israel well into the future.

    Netanyahu showed his hand in rejecting the deal outright. The fact that he diddled Kerry and the US for a year before again rejecting the two-state proposal coming from the Secretary of State should not have surprised anyone familiar with the Peres-Abbas diplomacy of 2011. It is no wonder that the US-Israel relationship has reached such a low point. The stakes in the upcoming Israeli elections extend far beyond Israel’s complex internal politics. They go to the heart of the US-Israel “special relationship” and it’s now-questionable future.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/02/harper-netanyahu-wrecked-two-state-deal-in-2011.html

  51. JeffB
    February 18, 2015, 5:46 pm

    @Annie

    oh i see jeff is ignoring the request to back up his allegation while trying to post it on another thread. hmm.

    What allegation? The population data? Heck the Wikipedia article has that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Denmark

    As far as the dates of various restrictions being lifted: http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/communities/show/id/96

    • Annie Robbins
      February 21, 2015, 2:39 am

      What allegation? The population data?

      no, the ridiculous claim you made up thread and then tried pushing off on another thread. this:

      Recently Denmark hasn’t tolerated pro-Israeli sentiments from its Jewish population. This is a clear statement by Danes that Jews are Danish by gift not right.

      source?

      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-copenhagen-synagogue/comment-page-1#comment-748870

      sound familair? and if you try claiming you never said that and i edited the comment (!!!) and call me a liar, good luck on having that published.

  52. JeffB
    March 2, 2015, 6:14 am

    @RoHa

    Jews are not a nation. Zionists are not a nation… The Zionists did not have a territory, but chose to take the territory of another country and drive out the people who lived there.

    I put these two together because they conflict so obviously. If the Zionists were capable of the kind of collective action needed to
    a) conquer a territory
    b) displace its population
    c) replace that population with another population consisting of themselves

    which is your theory of events, then they are a nation.
    Do they share a culture: yes
    Do they live in a unified territory: yes
    Do they share a common history: yes
    Do they have a common descent: probably not in the 1940s but today they’ve interbred with each other enough that yes.

    France is a nation, and the French are citizens of that nation.
    China is a nation, and the Chinese are citizens of that nation.

    You may be confusing nation with state again. I’m not sure that legal French citizens are part of the French nation that’s part of problem with the Muslim immigration that France has allowed herself to have a lot of residents that aren’t part of the nation.

    France and China defend their territory and act (or should act) in support of all their citizens (French and Chinese Jews as well), regardless of the ethnicity or religion of those citizens.

    Well the Chinese, along with most other people, including the Palestinians, define themselves ethnically. So they don’t buy into your theory of what they should do. The French define themselves ethnically but also as a set of cultural ideals and they most certainly do not equally defend all cultures.

    The Zionists did not have a territory, but chose to take the territory of another country and drive out the people who lived there.

    Now just to point out. You’ve been around long enough to know there was no country called Palestine and hadn’t been one for something like 1300 years. There was a territory called Palestine.

    If you wish to refer to Algeria and Tibet as examples of France and China behaving like Zionists, go ahead. That might make the French and Chinese governments of the time enemies of mankind. It won’t stop the Zionists from being enemies of mankind.

    China is still holding Tibet. More importantly if you accept the analogy neither France in Algeria till the 60s nor China in Tibet is an enemy of mankind. The French were enemies of the Algerians it had close to 0 impact on Americans or Chinese. Tibet has been going on all through my life. I hear about the Dali Lama once a year other than that… I’m hard pressed to think of many societies that meet the criteria of enemy of mankind. Possibly the Nazis fall to that sort of extreme title but France of the 60s and China aren’t close.

    As for Judea, it has long ceased to exist. Israel is a new invention, not a continuation of that ancient country.

    It claims to be the resurrection not the continuation. Judaea reborn. One can of course impose strict standards of what a continuation is. Then for example most countries fail. Is Spain a continuation of Hispania? If your answer is no then I’m not even going to attempt to make the case of Israel.

    61:2 to announce the year when the Lord will show his favor,
    the day when our God will seek vengeance,
    to console all who mourn,

    61:3 to strengthen those who mourn in Zion,
    by giving them a turban, instead of ashes,
    oil symbolizing joy, instead of mourning,
    a garment symbolizing praise, instead of discouragement.
    They will be called oaks of righteousness,
    trees planted by the Lord to reveal his splendor.

    61:4 They will rebuild the perpetual ruins
    and restore the places that were desolate;
    they will reestablish the ruined cities,
    the places that have been desolate since ancient times.

    From the late 1st century on believing in Zionism meant believing in that promise. In the 19th century a group of people decided to bring about that promise and called themselves Zionists. In the 21st century the people in Israel live the fulfillment of that promise. I’m not religious but I think if you disagree with God / the bible the burden of proof is on you. There are a group of people who have carried the name of Judaea with them for 2000 years and defend her customs, remembered her history and when they had a chance restored themselves to her lands.

    Ultimately whether it is a “continuation” a rebirth or a new country doesn’t really matter. But if you believe that losing the land and being displaced removes all claim, then lets stop talking about the Palestinians. Because whatever Palestine was, is now certainly dead. The country that exists there now is Israel.

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