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Here’s a video of Max Blumenthal speaking about anti-Semitism at University of Glasgow last month, a brief part of his Israeli Apartheid Week 2015 presentation at the college. I contacted the person who uploaded the clip, a reader and commenter here, these are his words:

The perverse and counterintuitive relationship between Zionism/Israel and anti-Semitism is a difficult thing to articulate. Blumenthal does a great job of illuminating this very dangerous, and very real, relationship. He’s got an uncanny ability to articulate out loud, and very directly, the connections and concepts which many of us have difficulty expressing and can only intuitively feel. Since these truths are rarely spoken in public platforms, for me it’s very powerful to witness Blumenthal illuminate this concept so concisely. Just when you think he couldn’t possibly make a more critical point or make things any clearer, he makes another key observation/analogy. And he does it consistently and off the cuff. He’s a special cat, he’s an epiphany distributor.

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  1. pabelmont
    March 30, 2015, 4:15 pm

    Well said. For safety from antisemitism in Europe, 1900-1945, Jews became Zionists and conquered and stole Palestine. Today, with hardly any antisemitism anywhere but plenty of anti-Zionism especially in M/E,, Zionists complain that they are not welcome in Palestine (surprise!) and must take more and more territory and kill and torture and attack more and more people (I suppose some of them say: in order to become safer where they are). No thought (as in 1940s) of going somewhere ELSE to find safety. South America anybody? No siree Bob, manufacturing anti-Zionism and calling it antisemitism works just fine.

    • Chu
      March 31, 2015, 11:14 am

      Great point. All the zionists gutted the levant, alienated the Arab world with their ever expanding borders, and yet somehow feel as though they are the victim of it all. It’s such a boring story where the aggressor plays the eternal victim.

      The need to drop the act, and fess up to their crimes.

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 2:07 pm

        “All the zionists gutted the levant, alienated the Arab world with their ever expanding borders, and yet somehow feel as though they are the victim of it all. It’s such a boring story where the aggressor plays the eternal victim.”

        All the Zionists gutted the Levant? Really? The Zionists gutted Turkey and Jordan and Cyprus?

        If the Arab world was a peaceful place where countries regularly lived in peace, it would be one thing. But Arab countries have long warred with one another over land. Iraq attacked Kuwait over land. Jordan attacked Israel and occupied the West Bank. Egypt attacked Israel and occupied the Gaza Strip. Don’t tell me about how offended Arab countries get when people “expand borders.” It’s not the expansion of borders the Arabs get upset about. It’s the fact that the Jews have political power that upsets them.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 2:59 pm

        just thought i’d mention that traditionally the levant references http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/israeljudaea/ss/052311-Maps-Of-The-Levant.htm “The Levant is the eastern Mediterranean area now covered by Israel, Lebanon, part of Syria, and western Jordan. ”

        and i think that’s how most people think of it, although that may be changing. i don’t think of turkey as the levant. and perhaps using the term “gutted” meant gutted the heart out of it. you’d have to asked tho. i think it was somewhat of an extreme accusation the way it was phrased tho.

      • Chu
        April 1, 2015, 1:34 pm

        Zionists can’t accept the fact that they’ve destroyed the Arab levant prior to Israel’s creation (they only see what they want to see within their own group-centered development). Zionists only care about what’s good for themselves, while Israelis ignore the reality of the place they are in, the Arab sphere.

        Get real though. Imagine an unending stream of Russians coming to Connecticut pushing out all the indigenous and saying ‘it’s our land now’. What a foreign act of usurping it would be! And surely Massachusetts and New York, etc would have big problems with the mess from these occupying hordes. But this goes on for 60+ years and the Israelis continue to want more. And all people like you do is make excuses for their crimes! sick…

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 2:57 pm

        “But Arab countries have long warred with one another over land.” Hophmi

        As usual, Hophmi is right. The war-like nature of Arabs is the reason no European colonial powers have ever gotten involved in the area. In fact, many hundreds of years ago, the fractious and aggressive nature of the Arabs caused the West to call off the Crusades.

  2. just
    March 30, 2015, 4:40 pm

    “He’s a special cat, he’s an epiphany distributor.”

    Yes, he is. That’s an apt description of what he does so well! I am very glad that you are highlighting this~ I saw it at the beginning of March, and archived it.

    He’s already made a huge contribution toward truth & justice on Palestine/Israel. He’s wise beyond his years.

  3. W.Jones
    March 30, 2015, 4:43 pm

    OK, up until 2:34, it was good, and it’s important to be against anti-semitism like he explains. But then he says Gilad Atzmon is inciting against Jews. However, if Max is wrong and Atzmon is not making incitement, then Max is unfortunately also misusing the term anti-Semitism and labeling people who aren’t.

    In reality, Atzmon (who is Jewish) does not criticize all, Jews, but directs much attention against those who create secular nationalist organizations because he believes that solidarity organizations should not be divided based on one’s nationality, and that to do otherwise is exclusionary (what he calls “tribalism”). Now I think Atzmon is too strong in his criticism, but in any case, do you actually think that he is inciting against people for being Jews?

    • hophmi
      March 30, 2015, 5:54 pm

      “Now I think Atzmon is too strong in his criticism, but in any case, do you actually think that he is inciting against people for being Jews?”

      Are you serious?

      • W.Jones
        March 30, 2015, 10:04 pm

        Hello, Hophmi.

        I did seriously ask for other peoples’ views on this for more ideas and information.

        But as to you, it would be interesting to know whether you would agree that many pro-Israelis are really really really really intense about being pro-Israeli and avoid criticizing their political system and policies.

      • yonah fredman
        March 31, 2015, 11:59 am

        W. Jones- Atzmon is an anti Semite. What precisely does someone need to say in order to qualify for that term?

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 7:08 pm

        “Are you serious?”

        “This analysis is nothing new. It is typical of Phil’s writing, which suggests, as it always does, the Phil has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism, Phil adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi#sthash.b9RwjUYz.dpuf

        “Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how small it is.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi#sthash.b9RwjUYz.dpuf

      • W.Jones
        March 31, 2015, 8:58 pm

        Hi Yonah,

        If someone is against Jews simply for being Jews, particularly in their ethnic make- up, then they are anti-semitic. Anti-semitism, after all, is a form of racial enmity. They could express this different ways.

        I might as well ask you the same thing I asked Hophmi. Don’t you think actual anti-semites and hardcore pro-Israelis are some of the most intense, often unhinged posters on the internet?

      • Philemon
        March 31, 2015, 9:52 pm

        Yonah Fredman writes” “Atzmon is an anti Semite. What precisely does someone need to say in order to qualify for that term?”

        Yonah, you’ll have to tell us. We’re all agog to hear what “precisely” someone needs to say “in order to qualify for that term.”

        Is this another case of an “anti-Semite” being someone certain Jews don’t like? Because, it sure looks like it.

        Gilad Atzmon probably stepped on some toes when he criticized some leftist Jewish organizations as being a bit exclusive in a way that was detrimental to their purported objectives. All the vitriol has come from that direction.

      • yonah fredman
        April 1, 2015, 11:03 am

        w jones- you define antisemitism as racial opposition to the jews. thus cultural opposition to jewish culture fits into some different category, apparently. thus torquemada who wished to convert the jews by force was wrong only regarding his means, but his ends were A-OK. thus Americans who wanted no more Jews to come to america in the 20’s and the 30’s, (not for valid reasons of unemployment, but) because they objected to Judaism, Jewish clannishness, or Jewish nongenetic prevalent behaviors were not antiJewish.

        in fact I consider christian anti judaism to be in the category of antiJewish. (antisemitic was a racial term, and so therefore you may be right, but antiJewish covers more territory).

        as regards to the heated nature of advocates or opponents of zionism, i really don’t know. i’m not much of a reader of comments on other web sites other than this one.

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 6:17 pm

        . “thus torquemada who wished to convert the jews”

        I had a car with a “torquemada” converter in the transmission. But you know what they say, Yonah: “Torquemada is cheap!”

      • Philemon
        April 2, 2015, 9:03 pm

        I’ve read that Torquemada had it in for witches, too. And he wasn’t very nice to heretics or apostates in general, either. His motto was obviously not: “Ne nuis pas à ton voisin.”

      • Mooser
        April 8, 2015, 11:03 am

        “in fact I consider christian anti judaism to be in the category of antiJewish.”

        Yonah, the greatest number of Jews, the largest proportion by far, are Reform, or secular, and not very observant, and intermarry Gentiles freely. Are they “anti-jewish”?

      • yonah fredman
        April 8, 2015, 11:44 am

        mooser asks- “Yonah, the greatest number of Jews, the largest proportion by far, are Reform, or secular, and not very observant, and intermarry Gentiles freely. Are they “anti-jewish”? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/blumenthal-exploits-semitism#comment-758094

        no.

        christian antijudaism that i reference comes in various forms: 1. the jews are those that rejected Jesus and therefore all the s*** that falls on them is punishment for that rejection. 2. the jews crucified Jesus, they are christ killers and insufficient s*** has fallen on them so far, just you wait, more good stuff to come, christ killers
        3. judaism is a parochial tribal religion that was meant to fall away once jesus came and opened belief in our one father in heaven to the world. judaism’s refusal to accept its obsolescence is a fossil and an impediment harming the world and the jews relationship to god. if only they would embrace christ and christianity the world would be on a path to the better world.

        those are some examples of christian antijudaism. how that would impact my feelings towards reform Jews or intermarrying Jews, I don’t know. i would think that an educated jew who marries a christian and attends church once in a while for shalom bayit (domestic peace) should realize that much of the history of that church is hateful and disdainful towards judaism. but today’s church as a rule, although its text still contains antiJewish passages and sentiments, is not in that vein, so you might consider such realization a type of not living in the moment of being obsessed with the past.

      • Philemon
        April 12, 2015, 8:24 pm

        So, Christianity is a sect of Second Temple Judaism, as is Rabbinical Judaism. So, for that matter, is Islam at some distance. They’re all sects of the same religion? How surprising.

        Abrahamic religions define themselves by separation, those who have seen the light and been saved, those who are following the commandments, those who obey the Prophet and submit.

        Yonah:

        christian antijudaism that i reference comes in various forms: 1. the jews are those that rejected Jesus and therefore all the s*** that falls on them is punishment for that rejection. 2. the jews crucified Jesus, they are christ killers and insufficient s*** has fallen on them so far, just you wait, more good stuff to come, christ killers
3. judaism is a parochial tribal religion that was meant to fall away once jesus came and opened belief in our one father in heaven to the world. judaism’s refusal to accept its obsolescence is a fossil and an impediment harming the world and the jews relationship to god. if only they would embrace christ and christianity the world would be on a path to the better world.

        Yonah, you have no idea what the bulk of contemporary Christianity is like when it come to Jewish religion, do you? They’re practically as latitudinarian as Islam.
        Your view is so antiquated, it’s hard to know where to begin. I don’t think that the Presbyterians, the Methodists, the Lutherans, the Catholics or the Unitarians are “antijudaism.” Mostly, they’re pro! And then there’s all that anti-Christian, whatever brand stuff from the 19th century.

        But, you don’t get that.

    • tokyobk
      March 31, 2015, 8:40 am

      You have summarized his position but in fact, Atzmon does not consider himself Jewish– as he points out any time this label is applied to him.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 11:53 am

        “Atzmon does not consider himself Jewish”

        ROTFLMSJAO!!! Like he has any say in the matter! Don’t let him put one over on you “tokyobk”. You are certainly, by education and experience, qualified to judge these things, so you should stick to your own determination.

      • gamal
        March 31, 2015, 12:22 pm

        And in Jewish News, this ones for you M, but you will have to read at least Half of it to see why, they have sent Jerry Zeid to catch Derfners bus , bloodthirsty is only implied, but the rest is there.

        Americans may be offended, Jews as ever terrified, but here is a guy who perhaps over indiginized, it does happen you know.

        http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jewish-ukip-candidate-quits-kidnap-obama-and-do-an-eichmann-on-him/

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 12:55 pm

        thanks gamal, wow

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:04 pm

        thanks Gamal. I’ll read it and see if I’m safe.

      • tokyobk
        March 31, 2015, 5:40 pm

        Mooser March 31, 2015, 11:53 am
        “Atzmon does not consider himself Jewish”

        ROTFLMSJAO!!! Like he has any say in the matter! Don’t let him put one over on you “tokyobk”. You are certainly, by education and experience, qualified to judge these things, so you should stick to your own determination.

        Hi Mooser,

        I actually don’t care what Atzmon calls himself at all. As a point of fact (I have read his book and seen most of his interviews — have you?) He always responds to people calling him Jewish with a stern rebuttal that he is not Jewish.

      • Keith
        March 31, 2015, 6:49 pm

        TOKYOBK- “…Atzmon does not consider himself Jewish….”

        Interesting point, well worth discussing. I’m a little surprised by the response, particularly Mooser: “Like he has any say in the matter!” I seem to recall Mooser previously saying that being a Jew was optional. This brings up the old question of who exactly is a “Jew.” Once upon a time, it simply referred to those who followed the Judaic religion. Then along came blood and soil nationalism, the Zionists and the Nazis and the notion of a racial component took hold. There seems to be considerable support the notion of a Jewish race in Israel, however, in the US there is the concept of Jewish tradition and peoplehood. Zionists tend to claim that Jewishness is inherent at birth, a fate which cannot be changed as demonstrated by the Holocaust. This is obviously a self-serving definition which utilizes fear to breed support for Zionism and Israel. As for Atzmon, if we can refer to ex-Catholics, why not former Jews? In the final analysis, Jewishness is a state of mind, consistent with the opinions of relevant others. You, for example, have a rather strong Jewish identity along with a sense of Jewish victimhood and concern with any sign, no matter how trivial, of anti-Semitism.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 7:10 pm

        “(I have read his book and seen most of his interviews — have you?)”

        I’ve listened to his records. Have you? What do you think?

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 7:30 pm

        “I actually don’t care what Atzmon calls himself at all.”

        Oh, I’m sorry, I guess I got the wrong impression. I’ve always had an almost physical revulsion against saying what religion other people are or aren’t.

        And certainly I know you would agree with me that no matter what Atzmon did or didn’t say, the way is open to him to be received back into Judaism, as if he never left, at any time he chooses to do so.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 7:43 pm

        ,” Atzmon does not consider himself Jewish– as he points out any time this label is applied to him.”

        You are right, and here he is, doing it on video.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 9:02 pm

        mooser, in that video he said he wasn’t israeli not that he wasn’t jewish.

      • tokyobk
        March 31, 2015, 7:47 pm

        Mooser March 31, 2015, 7:10 pm
        “(I have read his book and seen most of his interviews — have you?)”

        I’ve listened to his records. Have you? What do you think?

        Yes. I think he is an amazingly gifted Jazz musician.

        (The fact you think this is a zinger gotcha, btw, means you still cannot grasp my point of view on this general subject).

        Now, back to the issue I mentioned. Related to his self ID, while clearly others might consider him Jewish in some racial sense (which he rejects as I do) he does not consider himself Jewish as he has repeatedly stated. Nor Jewishness as the basis of his or any legitimate critique. In fact Atzmon believe (as again I do) that rooting the right to critic Israel within a Jewish ID is in fact a kind of antisemitism.

      • Philemon
        March 31, 2015, 10:03 pm

        Tokyobk: “The fact you think this is a zinger gotcha, btw, means you still cannot grasp my point of view on this general subject.”

        Oh, Tokyo, I think Mooser got you all the way.

      • yonah fredman
        April 1, 2015, 12:20 pm

        The topic of conversation is Atzmon. Such a conversation is hijacked already, we’re heading to cuba, baby. but i want to go to guantanamo and not to havana. big whoops.

        here is the link to Atzmon’s trash. sorry that you have to wade through other trash to get to Atzmon’s trash.http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl305.htm

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 1:28 pm

        You are right, tokyobk, I’m completely off base. I’m sorry, it’s just a personal quirk of mine, one I can never remember being without.

        To tell you the truth “tokyobk” if somebody asked me: “Is the Pope Catholic?” I would probably shrug and respond “I don’t know, he hasn’t discussed it with me”.

        And as far as being Jewish being “optional”, sure I guess it is, but certainly, not for Jews. For us, it’s no option. But that shouldn’t discourage anybody else! Come and go as you please, you’ll always find a welcome

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 1:47 pm

        “mooser, in that video he said he wasn’t israeli not that he wasn’t jewish.”

        Oh no! This means my hearing is going, as well as my vision. Do they have reading glasses for your ears?

      • eljay
        April 1, 2015, 1:51 pm

        || Mooser: Oh no! This means my hearing is going, as well as my vision. Do they have reading glasses for your ears? ||

        Yup! :-)

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 3:06 pm

        “(The fact you think this is a zinger gotcha, btw, means you still cannot grasp my point of view on this general subject). “

        No, it doesn’t gosh darn it, it means I owe you another apology, tokyobk”. Sorry about phrasing it that way.
        I haven’t listened to a lot of Gilad’s playing, certainly not in any systematic way (early, late, different styles and sidemen), and was wondering if you had.

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 3:52 pm

        ” In fact Atzmon believe (as again I do) that rooting the right to critic Israel within a Jewish ID is in fact a kind of antisemitism.”

        You tell ’em, “tokyobk”! If those Jewish anti-Zionists are going to throw out the baby, it’s not like we should get to keep all that nice warm bath-water for ourselves!

        Oh gee, I’m sorry, “tokyobk” I misread you again. You didn’t say “anti-Zionist” did you, you said “rooting the right to critic Israel within a Jewish ID is in fact a kind of antisemitism”!

        Not want to destroy it, but merely “critic” Israel is anti-semetic. Wow.

      • Philemon
        April 5, 2015, 9:04 pm

        Tokyobk: “The fact you think this is a zinger gotcha, btw, means you still cannot grasp my point of view on this general subject.”

        By the way, Tokyo, didja notice that Mooser did not in fact think of it as a “zinger gotcha”?

      • Mooser
        April 7, 2015, 8:43 pm

        ” I seem to recall Mooser previously saying that being a Jew was optional. “

        And I am leaving Mr. Atzmon every available option. And besides, you never know when a person might change their mind, or change their perspective. Why should Gilad Atzmon be put outside of a box, when even Finklestein admits he doubts his own atheism!

    • Giles
      March 31, 2015, 9:54 am

      I was surprised and disappointed by Max to hear him label Gilad Atzmon as a real anti-Semite.

      As much of an epiphany as Max has undergone, there are still vestiges of his Zionist upbringing cluttering his thinking it would seem.

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 10:18 am

        “I was surprised and disappointed by Max to hear him label Gilad Atzmon as a real anti-Semite.”

        You’d probably be surprised to hear David Duke labelled as a real white supremacist. But apparently, statements comparing Jewishness to racism are difficult for you to understand.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 11:58 am

        The last thing I heard Gilad Atzmon say, is “This is obviously my best possible answer to Benjamin Netanyahu’s Congress Address. He wants war, I prefer to jam.” (He was playing in London with musicians from Iran)

        I can’t argue with that.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 12:34 pm

        Giles, please note this entire discussion took place without a single quote from Atzmon himself.

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 2:12 pm

        Sorry, here are some Atzmon quotes for Mooser, Giles, and whomever else who is misguided here:

        “Sadly, we have to admit that hate-ridden plunder of other people’s possessions made it into the Jewish political discourse both on the left and right. The Jewish nationalist would rob Palestine in the name of the right of self-determination, the Jewish progressive is there to rob the ruling class and even international capital in the name of world working class revolution.”

        “Were Jewish Marxists and cosmopolitans open to the notion of brotherhood, they would have given up on their unique, exclusive banners and become ordinary human beings like the rest of us.”

        “I do not consider the Jews to be a race, and yet it is obvious that “Jewishness” clearly involves an ethno centric and racially supremacist, exclusivist point of view that is based on a sense of Jewish “chosen-ness.”

        “The endless trail of Jewish collective tragedies is there to teach us that Jews always pay eventually (and heavily) for Jewish power exercises. Yet, surprisingly (and tragically) enough, Jews somehow consistently fail to internalise and learn from that very lesson.”

        On antisemitism:

        “The remarkable fact is they don’t understand why the world is beginning to stand against them in the same way they didn’t understand why the Europeans stood against them in the 1930s. Instead of asking why we are hated they continue to toss accusations on others.”

        More here:

        http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/p/atzmon-critique_09.html

        But you know, he’s just an anti-Zionist. LOL.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:16 pm

        It’s pretty obvious Atzmon is talking about Israeli Jews, or Judaism as it is in Israel. Remember, Hophmi “Jews” is what their own government calls them, so I hardly see why anybody else shouldn’t.

        Atzmonj was raised there, educated there, did some service too, didn’t he, before he got out? He ought to know what’s going on.

      • Keith
        March 31, 2015, 6:09 pm

        HOPHMI- “Sorry, here are some Atzmon quotes for Mooser, Giles, and whomever else who is misguided here….”

        See, there is something that you and Max Blumental have in common. You are both tribalists to the core. While you two may differ on Palestine, both of you resist any discussion of the relationship between Zionism and the concept of Jewishness, and how this ideology of victimhood underpins Jewish solidarity (kinship) and Jewish success. Perhaps you could review your Atzmon quotes to show Jew hatred?

        I have mixed emotions about Atzmon, some of what he says is insightful, however, he seems to be intentionally provocative as a means of self-promotion. He also appears, to me at least, to overrate himself as a philosopher and intellectual. Yet, I think that his inquiry into certain aspects of Jewish ideology is valid, certainly nothing to be squelched as you and Max seek to do. Much of what Atzmon says is consistent with Israel Shahak’s observations, although Shahak is much less provocative. And before you toss about the anti-Semitism slur, you should review the writings of the early Zionists whose writings far exceed anything Atzmon has said. Furthermore, both Atzmon and Israel Shahak are/were speaking from their experiences in Israel where anti-Gentile sentiments and anti-Arab hostility are much more open. And the very notion of eternal and irrational anti-Semitism is anti-Gentile chauvinism pure and simple.

      • Dan
        March 31, 2015, 6:20 pm

        @Giles

        “As much of an epiphany as Max has undergone, there are still vestiges of his Zionist upbringing cluttering his thinking it would seem.

        I don’t think it is his Zionist Upbringing, assuming he had one.
        Even Palestinian leaders of BDS (Abunimah and others) have denounced Atzmon as an anti Semite racist. See link

        http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/palestinian-writers-activists-disavow-racism-anti-semitism-gilad-atzmon

      • Keith
        April 1, 2015, 12:26 am

        DAN- “Even Palestinian leaders of BDS (Abunimah and others) have denounced Atzmon as an anti Semite racist.”

        So, an anti-Semite is someone who Ali Abunimah denounces as an anti-Semite? He also denounces Norman Finkelstein and Greta Berlin. So what? There is a lot of politics in the BDS movement in which Ali Abunimah partakes. How convenient for a Zionist shill such as yourself.

      • yonah fredman
        April 1, 2015, 11:20 am

        Keith- What do you think of using the Jews killed Christ meme against Zionism? do you consider that kosher?

      • Annie Robbins
        April 1, 2015, 11:53 am

        not satisfied with hijacking one thread over the use of the word “gangster” eh?

        and what, pray tell, is “the Jews killed Christ meme against Zionism? ” i have not heard of that yet. or did you just think it up?

      • Dan
        April 1, 2015, 12:47 pm

        @keith

        Read my post again. Are you suggesting that lt
        Is Abunimah’s Zionist upbringing that leads him to that conclusion. Apparentlly non Zionists can arrive at the same conclusion. His opinion is as valid as others- you don’t have to agree. As to political considerations, perhaps he doesn’t want to be affiliated with racist viewpoints, it might hurt the movement. Seems like a wise decision.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 1, 2015, 1:02 pm

        hi dan, keith, giles, mooser, yonah, hops, philemon, tokyobk, w.jones… and every/anyone else. i anticipated lots of comments about atzmon when i put this up, because people are so obsessed w/him. however, i posted this video anyway because i thought it was valuable info, not primarily focused on atzmon, and worthy of discussion.

        as i have mentioned before, especially since atzmon doesn’t host any forums for people to argue about him and his ideas, and once people start arguing about him they often become myopic and do not stop, we don’t plan on hosting an extended argument/ conversation about him.

        just saying in case you notice your comments about him start not making it thru, you’re not alone and it’s not targeted towards your opinion per se. otherwise this will go on for days like it always does whenever his name gets mentioned.

        sorry to break up the party, find another forum for it. and by all means if there’s anything else you’d like to discuss about the information in the video, feel free.

        [edit apr.6: ~ someone called my attention to a blogpost elsewhere highlighting this comment. note the date on this comment is 2.5 days after the thread was posted. comments were not halted on the thread at that time, it was a heads up (my decision) i didn’t want to moderate it for days and days.

        on a personal note: mr. atzmon, host a thread on your own blog so people can argue about you there. one might surmise you are either too lazy or busy to moderate it, reluctant to let it run free and wild, or simply not interested in what your readers/detractors have to say. ]

      • Keith
        April 1, 2015, 1:24 pm

        YONAH- “Keith- What do you think of using the Jews killed Christ meme against Zionism? do you consider that kosher?”

        Yonah, it is comments like this which make it hard to take you seriously. I am not religious and don’t care who killed Jesus of Nazareth. Zionism is a kind of secular religion based upon a mishmash of blood and soil nationalism and selected parts of Classical Judaism. It is a reaction to the enlightenment and assimilation and the splintering of the Jews into reform Jews, Conservative Jews, Orthodox Jews and secular Jews. Its purpose is the re-establishment of tribal solidarity. It has been very successful in exploiting the Holocaust to achieve its objectives. I am unaware of any comments on Mondoweiss linking Zionism with the crucifixion, an utterly preposterous assertion.

      • Keith
        April 1, 2015, 1:34 pm

        DAN- “Are you suggesting that lt Is Abunimah’s Zionist upbringing that leads him to that conclusion.”

        As far as I know, Abunimah didn’t have a Zionist upbringing. In your quote Giles was referring to Max Blumenthal. My comment to you still stands. You have yet to make any defense of your anti-Semite smear. Since you seem to place so much credence in what Ali Abunimah says, does that mean that you agree with him on BDS and are an anti-Zionist?

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 1:52 pm

        “if there’s anything else you’d like to discuss about the information in the video, feel free.”

        Well, that video would be a damn site better if there was some good Middle Eastern jazz as background music!

      • Dan
        April 1, 2015, 5:03 pm

        @keith
        I was being facetious re his “Zionist upbringing”
        Obviously it is not just zionist upbringing that can lead to that conclusion.
        I can certainly understand why some people believe that BDS is the only tactic that will
        Force Israel to end the occupation. They may be right.

      • RoHa
        April 2, 2015, 12:21 am

        Hophmi, can you, using argument and evidence, tell us why those claims are factually incorrect?

        Especially “Instead of asking why we are hated they continue to toss accusations on others.”

      • Dan
        April 2, 2015, 12:23 am

        @Kieth
        “You have yet to make any defense of your anti-Semite smear” .

        Others have made the case far better than I can.
        Hophmi has made it, Abunimah has made it, Blumenthal has made it, others have elsewhere. I’m not going to waste my time rehashing all that, because I won’t convince you and I don’t care what you think. My only point to Giles was that others, without a Zionist upbringing, have arrived at the same conclusion, so I think he was being unfair to Blumenthal.

      • jayn0t
        April 4, 2015, 12:10 pm

        Giles: “there are still vestiges of his Zionist upbringing cluttering his thinking”. Isn’t that a bit of an understatement?

      • Mooser
        April 7, 2015, 9:05 pm

        Okay, I just did some looking, and Atzmon plays in an organ trio called “Gilad Atzmon’s Power Cats”. Organ trios are a force for good.

  4. hophmi
    March 30, 2015, 5:53 pm

    This is a meretricious argument. Most Jews support a Jewish state. That much is true. So, although it may be technically true that there’s no Jewish consensus on Zionism, it’s the same as saying that there’s no African-American consensus on affirmative action. Are there African-Americans who oppose affirmative action? Yes, a few. Do many, if not most African-Americans read a bit of anti-black racism into vociferous anti-affirmative action arguments? Yes.

    It’s the same with Israel. Are there Jews who oppose Zionism or Israel’s existence as a Jewish state? Yes, a few. Do many, if not most, Jews read a bit of antisemitism into obsessive anti-Zionist arguments? Yes. Is that the same thing as saying that Zionism and Judaism are equal?

    The Chinese analogy is also meretricious. There aren’t many Chinese people in the Middle East. There were tens of thousands of Jewish in the Arab world, most of whom lived as second-class citizens in the Middle East in the pre-Zionist period. It’s a little of Norman Finkelstein’s old bit about if grandma was a baby carriage, would she have wheels? It really doesn’t matter what would have happened with the Chinese. There are six million Jews there now, and they’re NOT LEAVING.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 30, 2015, 8:27 pm

      The Chinese analogy is also meretricious. There aren’t many Chinese people in the Middle East

      it’s irrelevant to the pt. the pt being, if it had been the chinese colonizing palestine there would have been anti chinese sentiment (and he made the pt wrt native americans too). the pt of the analogy; the resentment, anger, hatred, or how ever you care to characterize it, is not a result of racism. go look at the headline and try staying on topic.

      There are six million Jews there now, and they’re NOT LEAVING.

      you take the cake on meretricious argument, this too has nothing to do w/the topic -whatsoever.

      • Scandipope
        March 31, 2015, 10:03 am

        I don’t travel much in neither Jewish nor Zionist circles.

        But among regular folks who may keep up on the news but aren’t overtly partisan, the consensus in both Europe as well as in North America, certainly seems to be that Israel is there to stay.

        And that while it’ll hopefully be joined by a Palestinian state in the near future, but denying either Israel or Palestine a right to exist is both extremist and out of the question.

        You may disagree, but it’s where the public opinion for the vast majority seems to be. And I don’t see it moving much. For every year that passes, the right to return gets to be a more and more distant and unrealistic prospect.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 12:25 pm

        “So, although it may be technically true that there’s no Jewish consensus on Zionism, it’s the same as saying that there’s no African-American consensus on affirmative action”

        I want Hophmi arrested! This is assault with a deadly-dull weapon! People could die laughing from stuff like that.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:23 pm

        “There are six million Jews there now, and they’re NOT LEAVING.”

        And there’s one Hophmi here, and he’s not going!

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:30 pm

        “certainly seems to be that Israel is there to stay.”

        Except Israel isn’t “there”. Nobody, not even the Israelis, seem to know where it is.
        Why don’t you tell us where this Israel that everybody must accept is? Inside of which boundaries? Does it include Jerusalem?

    • pjdude
      March 31, 2015, 12:26 am

      that is disingenious. black people aren’t expelled from the black community for being anti affrimitive action. jews however are expelled from the community at large if they aren’t zionist. most jews are zionists do to the implicent threat if they have a differing opinion. your own hatred of gilad atzmon is case in point.

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 2:14 pm

        “black people aren’t expelled from the black community for being anti affrimitive action.”

        Oh no? How many times has Ward Connerly or John McWhorter spoken to a mainstream African-American organization, or a campus Black Students Union, in the past decade?

        “most jews are zionists do to the implicent threat if they have a differing opinion. your own hatred of gilad atzmon is case in point.”

        Another vote for an extreme antisemite. Seems we have a lot of Atzmon fans here at Mondoweiss.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:33 pm

        “Seems we have a lot of Atzmon fans here at Mondoweiss.”

        Had a No. 1 selling Jazz album in Britain, if I’m not mistaken. Gigs and concertizes constantly, too. His concerts and sessions with other Middle Eastern and Jazz musicians are well-attended and reviewed.
        You bet he’s got fans all over.

      • pjdude
        March 31, 2015, 10:58 pm

        @hophmi
        “Oh no? How many times has Ward Connerly or John McWhorter spoken to a mainstream African-American organization, or a campus Black Students Union, in the past decade? -”
        um last time i checked charles barkley hasn’t been expelled from the black community and he disagree with with several mainstream black views. and it should be noted that both people you mentioned are asscioted with libertarian think tanks. so you know being linked to groups actively defend the right to discriminate might be the issue not their anti affirmitive action stances.

        “Another vote for an extreme antisemite. Seems we have a lot of Atzmon fans here at Mondoweiss”
        your only proving my point. he is against zionism so therefore he must hate jews. your showing my entire argument that as a zionist jew you will not even entertain the notion that a jew can be anti-zionist. for some one who whines about how nobody wants to have a real dialouge you sure refusing to have a dialougue

    • RoHa
      March 31, 2015, 2:23 am

      “Most Jews support a Jewish state.”

      Then shame on them.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 2:31 am

        it’s not “a” jewish state i have a problem with. it’s the one they have and where they have it. jewish is not synonymous w/zionsim. they should have done it on an island or an uninhabited place. george bush bought a piece of land larger that the size of israel in south america in the last decade. i think for a blackwater training ground or something. they didn’t colonize the place , they bought it outright. sure, it’s screwed, but not like what happened to palestinians.

        this is not going away. it won’t blend w/the times. not going to happen. ever.

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 10:22 am

        “they should have done it on an island or an uninhabited place. ”

        You really are unbelievable. What island? What uninhabited place? Maybe the French should have established their country on “an island or an uninhabited place.” Maybe the English pilgrims should have established their country on “an island or an uninhabited place.” Amazing that you don’t seem to understand the privileged position you occupy that permits you to make ignorant, racist and callous statements like this. I mean, for G-d sakes, you live on colonized land. Maybe you should get the hell out of the Bay Area and turn it over to the Mexicans who should own it. Maybe you should acknowledge that Jews have always lived in the Middle East, that the Zionists bought the land where they set up their kibbutzim, and that telling people who have now lived in Israel for generations should have gone to some “uninhabited place” is deeply racist and, taken with Blumenthal’s call for Jews to leave Israel, is probably genocidal.

        The six million Jews who live in Israel are NOT LEAVING, Annie. Ever. You’ll leave the Bay Area first.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 12:28 pm

        “Most Jews support a Jewish state.”

        Zionists always blame the Jews, don’t they? That has always been the bottomless well into which they can throw all the victims of Zionism.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 1:18 pm

        you are such a drama queen hops. i’ve never advocated the jews pack up and leave. my comment is past tense, had they chosen a place that was uninhabited and did not require the ethnic cleansing of palestine. that’s common sense, it is not genocidal in the least nor is it racist. there were many uninhabited places on the planet at the turn of the century (1800-1900) that would have sufficed. and since zionism initially was not a religious endeavor it didn’t have to be the holy land, obviously, for there were other areas being contemplated at the time.

        but, had they not required ethnic cleansing it would have likely worked out much differently. plus, it’s irrelevant that “Zionists bought the land where they set up their kibbutzim “, for had they only colonized land they had bought we wouldn’t be having this conversation today.

        oh, and they couldn’t just settle for any place and build their new country from the ground up, they only wanted the holy land! of course! land cherished by all three religions, how logical/not.

      • Kay24
        March 31, 2015, 5:52 pm

        Polls show they also support apartheid policies. More shame on them.

      • RoHa
        April 1, 2015, 5:23 am

        There are still a fair number of uninhabited islands in the Southern Hemisphere. Mind you, nearly all of them are damned cold, and getting colder. I wouldn’t recommend them.

        But I object to the very idea of a Jewish State. The concept of a Jewish state (or any other ethnically based state) is evil. It denies equal rights to people who are not of the selected ethnicity. It is always wrong for a state to privilege one ethnicity over others. Nor does that fact that there have been a number of such states make it right.

      • RoHa
        April 1, 2015, 5:26 am

        There have always been Jews living in the Middle East, but that does not entitle other Jews to go and live there.

      • amigo
        April 1, 2015, 2:57 pm

        “You really are unbelievable. What island? What uninhabited place? ” hopknee.

        Remember , “A land without people for a people without land”.

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 3:32 pm

        “But I object to the very idea of a Jewish State.”

        Right. But if this “Jewish State” could be a Jewish State without the intransigence and the war crimes, that’s about all we could object to, is the idea.

      • Mooser
        April 2, 2015, 4:36 pm

        “Mind you, nearly all of them are damned cold, and getting colder. I wouldn’t recommend them.”

        And gee, the Middle East isn’t the “land of milk and honey” it was cracked up to be in Bible Days. It’s gotten much drier since then, and looks to get drier, and hotter still.

      • Mooser
        April 8, 2015, 11:10 am

        “You really are unbelievable. What island? What uninhabited place?”

        Baki Hai, of course! Your own special place!

    • eljay
      March 31, 2015, 7:37 am

      || hophmeee: … Most Jews support a Jewish state. … ||

      It’s unfortunate that most Jewish people support Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State”.

      Thankfully, that means that some Jewish people still believe in justice, accountability and equality.

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 3:23 pm

        You know, how many “anti-Zionists” are there, really?
        If intransigence and war crimes aren’t part of the Zionist package who would raise a peep? What would the anti-zionist argument be then? Not a whole lot, really.
        Let’s not lose sight of that. Which of the “anti-Zionists” are up-front demanding the destruction of the Zionist State and wouldn’t be more than happy with Israel simply abandoning its intransigence, expansionism and war crimes?

      • eljay
        April 1, 2015, 3:38 pm

        Going soft on abolishing Jewish supremacism in a supremacist “Jewish State” if Israel were to abandon its intransigence, expansionism and war crimes sounds like conversion to “liberal Zionism”. I don’t know how many anti-Zionists would undergo that conversion.

      • Mooser
        April 2, 2015, 4:49 pm

        “I don’t know how many anti-Zionists would undergo that conversion.”

        Not asking them to. I am just pointing out that it is the actions of Israel and Zionism which give anti-Zionists the basis to do more than just decide they won’t vacation there.

    • jayn0t
      April 4, 2015, 12:15 pm

      “Most Jews support a Jewish state. That much is true.” Thanks, “hophmi”, for an honest calculation of the correlation between Jews and Israel. Max Blumenthal et al try to obscure this correlation by claiming that anyone who points it out is an anti-semite, who thinks that ALL Jews support Israel, which is obviously false. The fact that most Jews in the Western world support ethnic cleansing, and somehow, almost all politicians in the Western world follow, is a real problem, and one Blumenthal & co. seek to stop us thinking about.

  5. just
    March 30, 2015, 7:06 pm

    I don’t know if anyone else has been following this amazing meltdown of the “Neocon Honor Brigade” on twitter, but Max B. has now made it into a Storify:

    “Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Neoconservative Honor Brigade
    A look at the militant neoconservative network that has mobilized to defend the honor of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the world’s leading Islamophobes, against my factual reporting.”

    https://storify.com/MaxBlumenthal/ayaan-hirsi-ali-s-anti-muslim-honor-brigade

    • Annie Robbins
      March 30, 2015, 8:22 pm

      just, i thought everyone (informed) already knew she was a fraud and a liar. i watched that 4 pt dutch series a few years ago (and have posted some of the videos here in comment thread(s) in the past although i have never written a main post about her. it’s not controversial she’s a fraud, i think she got kicked out of dutch parliament (and as i recall possibly lost her refugee status from the dutch gov too) as a result of her lying. how could anyone believe anything she said having fabricating a past like that?

      • just
        March 30, 2015, 9:09 pm

        “just, i thought everyone (informed) already knew she was a fraud and a liar.”

        I did, you did, so many others did. She is an Islamophobic opportunist, first and foremost. It pays the rent. She’s not the first to bring her “story”, and to transform it into cha-ching! Look at Walid Shoebat.

        Islamophobia appeals to many people. Being a fraud and a liar pales in comparison. It’s apparently excusable and expected in the “cause” of the haters.

        She and her husband, Niall Ferguson, will perhaps rue the day that they decided to stir this particular pot.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 1:50 am

        thanks mrw, i made a brief search of my comments/archives w/her name (nada) well aware i probably didn’t use her name in the post. so thanks.

      • Kay24
        March 31, 2015, 5:48 am

        It is unbelievable that she keeps being given the platform to spew her lies, and sell her pathetic books. Jon Stewart and Fareed Zakaria both had her on their programs. If one bothers to do a little research, they would find she has no credibility, and takes every opportunity to bash a religion she seems to hate and has rejected. Islamaphobes like Maher use her, and quote her, to spew the BS. She now speaks as an American.

      • MRW
        March 31, 2015, 9:09 am

        w/her name (nada) well aware i probably didn’t use her name in the post.

        You did. It was here last name.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 31, 2015, 1:27 pm

        oh you’re right. shoot, i googled Ayaan and her full name. anyway, thank you very much mrw.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        April 1, 2015, 2:16 pm

        ”It is unbelievable that she keeps being given the platform to spew her lies, and sell her pathetic books”

        It’s not unbelievable at all, Kay. She’s telling people what they want to hear, and what most people want to hear is: Muslims, especially Muslim men, are medieval misogynists and Muslim women are victims, but too brainwashed and oppressed to know they are victims. So.. Ayyan to the rescue! Then there’s the fact that’s shes’ an ideal ‘native informant’ – Muslim — at least by upbringing – black, and a woman. It doesn’t hurt that she’s beautiful, of course. And she is A Victim, or at least that’s how she portrays herself. ”How DARE you criticise the brave Ayaan! She’s a victim of FGB! She’s received death threats! Who are you to say anything bad about such a heroine”. So she’s untouchable. Pretty much perfect. Never mind that she is morally and intellectualy vacuous.

      • jayn0t
        April 4, 2015, 5:13 pm

        “i thought everyone (informed) already knew she was a fraud and a liar” – Annie

        Is everything Ali says a lie? About the oppression of women and girls in Islamic fundamentalist societies? About FGM? About the fact that she lives under armed guard because of the real risk of being murdered because she expresses her opinions about Islam?

    • MRW
      March 31, 2015, 12:44 am

      Excellent Storify.

  6. hophmi
    March 30, 2015, 10:03 pm

    Actually, it does when the man making it has called for Jews to indigenize or leave.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 31, 2015, 2:00 am

      snore. you’re all over the map. and your allegation about African-Americans who oppose affirmative action? there is no mega million African-American industry here in america demonizing opposers of affirmative action. no well oiled media market pushing that ptv as bigotry. simply NO comparison to the islamophobic hate machine uplifting and supporting demonization of muslims. false equivalence to the max. hasbara #fail.

      • MRW
        March 31, 2015, 9:11 am

        simply NO comparison to the islamophobic hate machine

        Exactly. I’m getting tired of it. Failure to recognize Islamic history is getting tedious. Jews don’t have that scientific history; they were buried in shtetls for the most part. Neither do Christians, who stole most of Islamic Science as their own and were dullards who couldn’t compute for centuries while they stole Islamic ideas, and have been pumping on Islamic fare for over 500 years.

        EDIT: Tell the truth.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 12:18 pm

        “false equivalence to the max.”

        I’m sure Mr. Blumenthal is subjected to a lot of that, but it’s no reason not to capitalize the “M” in his name!

      • jayn0t
        April 4, 2015, 5:22 pm

        “there is no mega million African-American industry here in america demonizing opposers of affirmative action. no well oiled media market pushing that ptv as bigotry. simply NO comparison to the islamophobic hate machine uplifting and supporting demonization of muslims. false equivalence to the max”

        I disagree. The multi-million dollar industry demonizing opposers of affirmative action, and conservative views in general, consists of the government, large sections of academia, and much of the media, including NBC, CNN and the New York Times. On September 17, 2001, president Bush said Islam is “a religion of peace”. President Obama has continued this nonsense. The White House didn’t even mention the religion of the Muslim terrorists who just murdered 147 people in Kenya.

        http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
        https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/03/statement-president-garissa-university-college-terrorist-attack

        BTW I’m no conservative. But let’s get our facts straight…

    • RoHa
      March 31, 2015, 2:25 am

      “has called for Jews to indigenize or leave. -”

      Is that bad?

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 12:15 pm

        “Is that bad?”

        Bad? It’s not even a word!

      • RoHa
        April 1, 2015, 3:02 am

        Thanks, Mooser. Since I saw “submarine” as a verb, I am no longer certain of such things.

        But I did guess that hophmi meant something along the lines of giving up dressing for dinner and marrying native women.

    • Mooser
      March 31, 2015, 12:06 pm

      “Actually, it does when the man making it has called for Jews to indigenize or leave.”

      Indigenize ?? I’m sorry, Hophmi, my vocabulary is insufficient. Is “indigenize” an Israeli Hebrew word? What does it mean?
      It’s not a word, Hophmi, and it’s not any kind of a recognized political or social process relevant to Zionism.
      You’ve gotten Fritz all worked up, he knows he scented weasel, and now he burrowing under the rug!

      EDIT: OK, Hophmi, I did some Googling, and I see what you are afraid of: It’s called “going native”, and it happens when the upper lip isn’t kept stiff and you succumb to the temptations of the southern latitudes. It’s like getting drunk on the native moral turpentine. Hate to see a man I was at school with sink to a state like that!

      • hophmi
        March 31, 2015, 2:19 pm

        ““indigenize” an Israeli Hebrew word? What does it mean? It’s not a word, Hophmi, and it’s not any kind of a recognized political or social process relevant to Zionism.”

        Ask Max Blumenthal. He’s the one who used it. But I think the meaning is pretty clear, and I think it’s pretty racist, since half of the Jews in Israel are not Ashkenazim.

      • Mooser
        March 31, 2015, 4:38 pm

        “He’s the one who used it.”

        You’re the one who considers it a threat.

      • Mooser
        April 1, 2015, 2:11 pm

        I get the feeling “indiginize” as Blumenthal uses this word (which is a new on on me) simply means ‘live there without plundering or oppressing the Palestinians’

  7. Kay24
    March 31, 2015, 6:45 am

    The attitude of Israelis…..it seems it is ALL about THEM. Superiority? Vanity? Extracting the most out of every situation? Will he toe the zionist line and show unwavering love for Israel like other spineless personalities?

    Haaretz asks “Who is new Daily Show host Trevor Noah – and what does he think about Israel?”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/1.649725

    Ironic that we never see a headline saying “Who is Daily Show host Trevor Noah – and what he think about THE US?”

    • ckg
      March 31, 2015, 10:38 am

      Now the NYT is in the chase:

      Trevor Noah, New ‘Daily Show’ Host, Comes Under Scrutiny for Tweets

      Within hours of the announcement that he had been named the new host of “The Daily Show,” the comedian Trevor Noah was subjected to the full scrutiny of the Internet. As potential audience members scoured his past work and his social media for more clues about the South African comedian, they uncovered many posts on his Twitter account that they deemed to be offensive to women or Jews…

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/arts/television/trevor-noah-new-daily-show-host-comes-under-scrutiny-for-tweets.html

      • Kay24
        March 31, 2015, 10:59 am

        Aw tell them to lighten up. Whatever happened to free speech and all that good stuff?
        Didn’t we hear about it ad nauseam during the Charlie Hebdo matter?
        You mean to say there are some who will object to this replacement because he made fun of women and especially Jews?

        Let us keep in mind that Trevor Noah knows what apartheid is all about, lived it, breathed it, and will recognize it when he sees it, perhaps this makes some uneasy. What were they expecting, yet another media personality who will be afraid to criticize occupations and land thefts?

  8. just
    March 31, 2015, 10:29 am

    Note: This post has been updated with a statement from the university and other new information since it was first published. This is a developing story.

    The organizers of a planned conference on Israel say they are considering emergency legal action against the UK’s University of Southampton after administrators withdrew permission for the event.

    University officials have confirmed that they are considering pulling the plug on the conference, but suggested on Tuesday morning that they may yet back off from that decision.

    The news of the cancelation follows an intense smear campaign against the conference and its organizers by Israel lobby groups, columnists and UK government ministers and members of parliament.”……

    Much more @ http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/univ-southampton-cancels-conference-after-government-israel-lobby-pressure

  9. Kay24
    March 31, 2015, 11:12 am

    From the funny department:

    “American passengers to sue Hamas for missiles on Ben-Gurion Airport
    Complaint on behalf of 26 Americans will be filed with the U.S. Department of Justice by Israeli NGO Shurat HaDin.

    An Israeli NGO dedicated to fighting terror announced on Tuesday that it would file a complaint against Hamas with the United States Department of Justice for firing rockets against Ben-Gurion Airport during last summer’s war in Gaza.” Haaretz

    Any guesses who was prodding these American Jewish students to make such a move?

    Also anyone know if the same type of complaint can be made by the families who took refuge at UN shelters, schools etc., and when deadly missiles were being sent MANY TIMES, to many shelters, killing MANY civilians?

    • a blah chick
      March 31, 2015, 11:52 am

      But, but didn’t Hizoner Bloomberg say that flying into TA was safe? Wasn’t that the whole point of demanding the airlines fly there?

      More lawyer. I’m sure that dreadful Darshan-Leitner is behind it. They seem to think these shenanigans will work to shut up Palestinians.

      • Kay24
        March 31, 2015, 1:42 pm

        Good point about TA being safe to fly into, and Bloomberg making a special trip over there to show the love and support, ABC. So what is all this about then?

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