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An amazing scene today, as a rightwing foreign leader told the Congress that our president is pursuing a “very bad” foreign policy and the Congress jumped up to cheer him. On the cables the analysts are falling over one another to praise Netanyahu’s speech. Jake Tapper said it was a “very very effective speech,” particularly in Netanyahu’s references to Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel sitting in the gallery. Dianne Feinstein said it was a “very powerful speech” — and then sold out the White House negotiators, saying we should be getting 20 year promises from Iran, not ten. Jeffrey Goldberg said the biblical imagery will speak to Christian Americans.

But sanity is breaking through. Christiane Amanpour called the speech “dark, Strangelovian” in its hysteria about Iran as Nazi Germany. Ambassador Marc Ginsberg said Netanyahu played “guardian of the Jewish galaxy” and the only thing missing was comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain and saying the talks are taking place in Munich, not Montreux. Ginsberg said the speech precipitates the Congress on a “steep slope” and “collision course” with Obama.

And here is part of Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi’s important statement.

“I was near tears throughout the Prime Minister’s speech – saddened by the insult to the intelligence of the United States as part of the P5 +1 nations, and saddened by the condescension toward our knowledge of the threat posed by Iran and our broader commitment to preventing nuclear proliferation.”

President Obama just rebutted the speech in comments to reporters. Here is part of the pool report:

Obama said he did not watch the Netanyahu speech, that instead he was on a conference video call with European leaders. But:

“I did have a chance to take a look at the transcript, and as far as I can tell there was nothing new,” he said….

POTUS said that he also agrees with Netanyahu that Iran is a dangerous regime has repeatedly threatened Israel, and that “no one can dispute” that Iran has used anti-Semitic language against Israelis.

“But on the core issue, which is how do we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, which would make it far more dangerous and would give it scope for even greater action in the region, the prime minister didn’t offer any viable alternatives.”

CNN’s John King says the remarkable back-and-forth shows that the relationship between the leaders is “not icy, it’s broken.”

House Democrats are lining up behind Obama. They just gave a press conference:

I’ve never seen anything like that press conference by House Democrats… Full rejection of the propriety & substance of Netanyahu’s speech

Matt Lee of AP reminds us of the context:

What speech? Where? #Iran nuclear talks between #SecKerry and #Iran FM Zarif enter second day in #Montreux.The White House

The New York Times comment section on the news includes the observation that Sheldon Adelson was in the gallery, the giant funder of the Republican Party who has called on Obama to nuke Iran. Alan Dershowitz was also there, in a line with Elie Wiesel, Wiesel’s wife Marion, and Sara Netanyahu. The NYT commenters are critical of the speech by 4-to-1 or more and many of the comments are inspiring in their criticism of Netanyahu’s chutzpah, saying he is trying to get the world to overlook the Palestinian issue.

Amnesty International agrees:

#NetanyahuSpeech No mention of how #Israel builds Jewish-only settlements by forcing Palestinians out of their homes

The Institute for Middle East Understanding experts are weighing in. Phyllis Bennis: “This was a speech threatening war.”

Yousef Munayyer says the speech was aimed at distracting from Palestinian human rights abuses: “Netanyahu’s goal is to ensure the Iranian issue remains at the top of the international agenda. Not because he is afraid of the Iranian threat, but because he is afraid of the threat of international focus shifting to Israel’s human rights abuses of Palestinians. He doesn’t want to talk about the fact that his brutal regime denies the basic human rights of millions of Palestinians.”

Diana Buttu says that the words “Conquest, subjugation, and terror” Netanyahu used apply to Israel’s own conduct, while Rebecca Vilkomerson sees the upside:

“[T]hat over 55 Senators and Representatives skipped his speech shows that the reflexive bi-partisan consensus in support of all Israeli policies is splintering.”

University of Maryland released a poll by Shibley Telhami showing that Americans overwhelmingly support Obama in his negotiations:

[A] clear majority of Americans – 61 percent – support an agreement that would limit Iran’s enrichment capacity and impose additional intrusive inspections in exchange for the lifting of some sanctions. This included 61 percent of Republicans, 66 percent of Democrats and 54 percent of independents.

The alternative option, being promoted by some members of Congress, calls for ending the current negotiations, and increasing sanctions in an effort to get Iran to stop all uranium enrichment. This approach was recommended by 36 percent.

Liberal Zionists are lining up behind President Obama in his talks with Iran. J Street lobbyist:

Demonstrator outside the Capitol today, photo by Peter Voskamp

Demonstrator outside the Capitol today, photo by Peter Voskamp

Peter Beinart notes the bathetic use of Wiesel by Netanyahu to claim that the Iranians are Nazis: “really hard to explain what it means for those of us who grew up revering Elie Wiesel to see him defiled in this way.” But Wiesel clearly went along with that use. Here is Netanyahu’s use of Wiesel to the most militant ends:

My friend, standing up to Iran is not easy. Standing up to dark and murderous regimes never is. With us today is Holocaust survivor and Nobel Prize winner Elie Wiesel. Elie, your life and work inspires to give meaning to the words, “never again.” And I wish I could promise you, Elie, that the lessons of history have been learned. I can only urge the leaders of the world not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Not to sacrifice the future for the present; not to ignore aggression in the hopes of gaining an illusory peace.

But I can guarantee you this, the days when the Jewish people remained passive in the face of genocidal enemies, those days are over. We are no longer scattered among the nations, powerless to defend ourselves. We restored our sovereignty in our ancient home. And the soldiers who defend our home have boundless courage. For the first time in 100 generations, we, the Jewish people, can defend ourselves.

This is why — this is why, as a prime minister of Israel, I can promise you one more thing: Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand.

Max Blumenthal comments that the speech

insults memory of Jews who resisted fascism in their native lands. True to the Zionist narrative, he called them weaklings.

Eli Clifton demolishes Netanyahu’s track record on dire predictions:

This isn’t the first time Netanyahu has lobbied Congress with dire warnings security threats in the Middle East.

In 1995, Netanyahu wrote that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” and, in 1996, speaking before a joint session of Congress, he warned that the deadline for Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon was “getting extremely close.”

Those predictions, while terrifying, were also inaccurate.

By the 2000s, Netanyahu had shifted his short-term focus to Iraq. Testifying before Congress in 2002, Netanyahu warned that Iraq was operating “centrifuges the size of washing machines” and asserted that there was “no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking and working and is advancing toward the development of nuclear weapons.”

Here’s the speech, by the way. Transcript, and video:

We’ll be updating this post today as more reactions come in.

Thanks to James North, Adam Horowitz and Peter Voskamp.

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  1. hophmi
    March 3, 2015, 1:11 pm

    “Christiane Ahmanpour called the speech “dark, Strangelovian” in its hysteria about Iran as Nazi Germany. ”

    Are we mentioning Amanpour’s ethnicity and possible bias, or is that only important if the journalists are Jews?

    • Walid
      March 3, 2015, 3:01 pm

      Hophmi, Amanpour is married to a Zionist and is most probably more Zionist than you are.

      Now Hala Gorani is on; are you going to make a snide remark about her Lebanese roots?

      • Giles
        March 3, 2015, 3:56 pm

        Very odd to see Mr. Amanpour go off script here.

        She has always been a consistent follower of the official Zionist narrative.

    • justicewillprevail
      March 3, 2015, 3:04 pm

      No but you are, so guess what that makes you. You are pathetic. Let’s not mention your the enormous chip on your shoulder which renders you so biased you can’t see straight. Or your attempt at irrelevant diversion. What a chump.

    • Kathleen
      March 3, 2015, 3:29 pm

      Amanpour has regularly repeated the false claims about Iran. This is a big shift for her. Amanpour is married to former Clinton U.S. state dept spokesman James Rubin. She generally tows the line for the I lobby and Israel. James must not approve of what Netanyahu has been and is doing. Undermining the negotiations

      • RoHa
        March 4, 2015, 4:04 am

        “Toes the line”, not “tows the line”.

        Is this another case of software thinking it knows better?

      • piotr
        March 4, 2015, 12:02 pm

        You can also tow the line, and thus drag the boat of Zionist establishment upriver.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 12:47 pm

        Look, this is all wrong. One doesn’t “toe” or “tow” a line. One drags the line.

    • Bandolero
      March 3, 2015, 4:24 pm


      Are we mentioning Amanpour’s ethnicity and possible bias, or is that only important if the journalists are Jews?

      So, why not. Christiane Amanpour is a member of the family of the US-Israeli backed dictator Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, which was installed by a US-led coup and thrwon out of power by the Islamic revolution in Iran when the US decided that it was a good idea to support violent islamic movements in the region for their opposition to the secular Soviet Union.

      After the revolution she exiled herself because the Iranian people don’t like her US-backed dictator family and recently she married former Clinton U.S. state dept spokesman James Rubin, a staunch Zionist and supporter of Israel’s apartheid regime.

      And, so what?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 4, 2015, 7:17 am

        Amanpour is related to the Pahlavis? I did not know that, but it makes sense.

        She was born into the Iranian elite, and now she is part of the US elite. The notion that she’s biased in favour of the Iranian regime shows how utterly clueless hops is. As if she could have become one of the highest paid ‘journalists’ in the US if she was a shill for Tehran. Anyone who’s ever seen her in action knows that her bias is in exactly the opposite direction. She interviews Arabs or Iranians as though she were interrogating them, and by contrast, has an almost reverential attitude towards Israelis.

        The hopster is so desperate to find ‘antisemitism’ everywhere and anywhere, that he’s willing to show us all that he simply hasn’t got a clue.

      • Kathleen
        March 9, 2015, 11:07 pm

        Spot on Max

    • traintosiberia
      March 3, 2015, 8:09 pm

      Yes . I noticed that also. May be that’s the only value left among the rest of us to revolt against Zionism . That is the ethnocentric national interest . When will Americans claim that ? When will Americans learn what differentiates them from the noxious Zionism. When will Americans start valuing their lives ,futures,and safety ? When will they address their own interests and when will they stop sacrificing the future of their sons and daughters and confront the toxic ,noxious,erosive, corrupting influence of the Zionist ? it is long overdue to correct it,take the control back, to protect the economic prospect of the coming generations . May be all we need is to admit our own interests based on nationality .

      • traintosiberia
        March 3, 2015, 9:13 pm

        I hope I am wrong but I can’t but get drawn to the similarities between American current effort to balance its own interest,concerns of Arab and the Zionist demands and the identical British efforts in between two world wars . Looking back,England might have wondered how future would have been for the empire had it not got entangled with the Balfoursn obfuscation.
        Without Zionist insistence and prod dings,the WW1 wouldn’t have continued and Czar would have remained and Hitler wouldn’t have arisen .

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 9:31 pm

      Phil has written a great article citing many sources, and here is the Hop man, selectively picking just ONE and questioning her roots and ethnicity, rather than what she said. Strange, but this is exactly what the hasbara does., this deflection from the facts. I wonder if the Hop man was also trained by Neil Lazarus.

    • talknic
      March 3, 2015, 9:34 pm

      @ hophmi

      “Are we mentioning Amanpour’s ethnicity and possible bias”

      No, but you just did

      • Kathleen
        March 9, 2015, 11:09 pm

        Clearly Hop has never followed Amanpour and what she has to say about U.S. foreign policy. She has been in line with the I lobby and Israel for years. On Iran she has repeated the unsubstantiated claims about Iran having a nuclear weapons program for years. Changing her tune. Someone is getting to her

    • Marnie
      March 4, 2015, 1:20 am

      You’re a racist xenophobic psychopath hiding in zionist’s clothing.

    • Accentitude
      March 4, 2015, 2:22 am

      That depends, are you intentionally leaving out the fact that she is married to former State Department Clinton Aid James Rubin or the fact that she has also interviewed dozens of Arab leaders, including Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas and beneficiary of Iran, whom she was very critical of? I hardly think there is any bias there. She called it as she saw it.

    • Shingo
      March 4, 2015, 3:46 am

      Could you be any more pathetic Hop?

      Amanpour has been carrying water for the lobby and Israel all her career. But only when she criticizes an Israeli prime minister is her ethnicity called into question.

      It must feel better letting out your inner David Horotwitz or Pam Gellar.

  2. Jenin Younes
    March 3, 2015, 1:14 pm

    I have literally never been as disgusted and infuriated with my own country as I am today. Yes, a number of democratic congresspeople “boycotted” the speech. Yes, there are some decent statements on the subject from people like Pelosi, and I am glad to see some outrage coming from the comments section of the NYT.

    But the bigger picture makes me despair. It is clear that Netanyahu is a warmongering madman, that Israel is a country responsible for some of the most prolonged and severe human rights violations of modern times, and yet our leaders continue to tout their undying support for that apartheid foreign state. Prior to the above quoted section of Pelosi’s statement, she made sure to mention our unwavering, unconditional support for Israel; just like Susan Rice and Samantha Powers and John Kerry and all of our unprincipled politicians. I understand they may not have much choice, given the power of the Israel lobby, but it makes me despair nonetheless. We are truly living in a dystopian-like reality, in which the United States of American cannot withdraw support from a racist, apartheid nation that violates the human rights of millions of Palestinians, because of a few powerful people, at no benefit to ourselves. I am glad to see some people are optimistic that the US-Israel relationship will change but it doesn’t seem anything significant can or will happen.

    • concernedhuman
      March 3, 2015, 3:44 pm

      The only thing that I can think is none of these US politicians see palestinians as humans. Therefore they have no human rights.

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 10:18 pm

      This has been the norm in the US, but now it is worse. The zionists are faced with a President who does not get on with their war mongering, trouble making, PM, and the party of “NO” keeps saying YES to him. The Democrats are too afraid to stand up for their own President.
      Those who found the courage to stay away, should be applauded for finally doing the right thing.
      I am disgusted by this unreasonable support for Netanyahu and the undying support for Israel.
      I stopped voting a few years ago, because I realize every candidate I vote for puts Israel’s interests above their own nation. If you see how united they are when it comes to bills favoring Israel, and how divisive they are when it comes to bills that favor the people who suffer in our nation, it becomes obvious.

    • The Dirty Democrat
      March 4, 2015, 8:46 pm

      Jenin I am with you. I truly believe Benji has lost his mind and the GOP has trouble knowing the difference between country and money.

    • DavidDaoud
      March 5, 2015, 2:04 am

      “a few powerful people”, meaning essentially Sheldon Adelson who owns the republicans.

  3. Brown-Eyed Girl
    March 3, 2015, 1:15 pm

    I don’t understand it; truly I don’t. All the applause, all the standing ovations. Can all these congressmen/women and senators be that afraid of the Israel lobby? ? They all can’t be. And as Nancy Pelosi said, this is an insult to the intelligence of the American people. They aren’t all so stupid as to believe the nonsense that came out of Netanyahu’s mouth. So I don’t understand the fawning. It was really weird.

    • unverified__5ilf90kd
      March 3, 2015, 3:42 pm

      It’s all about money. The people in Congress get a lot of money from Jews along with stories about Israel similar to what Bibi was spouting today. It is all lies and irrational paranoia, but it has an effect and you saw it today. Fortunately, after more than 50 years of this the people are finally waking up and telling the Congress that it is all BS and worse. Amazing changes in the last year. I never could have predicted this. Israel should be a huge embarrassment to any rational American.

      • Brown-Eyed Girl
        March 3, 2015, 4:10 pm

        I have got to read some of the foreign press. You get nothing but nonsense from the American papers, news, and talk radio. The rest of the world must be laughing their asses off at us.

      • Bornajoo
        March 3, 2015, 4:31 pm

        “I have got to read some of the foreign press. You get nothing but nonsense from the American papers, news, and talk radio. The rest of the world must be laughing their asses off at us.”

        Report from London. We are all laughing our asses off at you. (between bouts of puking). Not sure about the press though

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 9:33 pm

        Brown eyed girl, I have traveled to many parts of the world, and when the subject of Israel comes up, it has always been how ridiculous it is that the US continues to support and protect it, and that it has a tremendous influence over our nation. It is shameful.

    • tombishop
      March 3, 2015, 5:13 pm

      Many of the applauding Congress people are Christian Zionists or they fear their Christian Zionist constituents. For them any criticism of Israel is not allowed. Christian Zionism is at its core anti-Semitic treating the Jewish people as pawns in a hoped for apocalypse. They are more dangerous than ISIS because they have the largest military in history to carry out their sick fantasies.

    • RoHa
      March 4, 2015, 4:10 am

      “Can all these congressmen/women and senators be that afraid of the Israel lobby? ? They all can’t be.”

      Surely you mean “they can’t all be”. I’m pretty sure some of them are.

    • jdc2408
      March 4, 2015, 3:05 pm

      Here’s a bit of context Brown eyed girl, from an ex-congresswoman that did not conform.

  4. In2u
    March 3, 2015, 1:16 pm

    What speech? It was full of one line rhetoric and fallacies.

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 10:48 pm

      And our patriotic Americans applauded him, every time. No one walked out in protest to those lies and exaggeration, certainly not when he chided the President, and tried to teach him all about OUR foreign policies. It shows how much they hate the President.

  5. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 1:18 pm

    You have to hand it to the bots. They have pauperised the Palestinians and run regular turkey shoots in Gaza. They have the 4th largest military in the world and they are still paranoid.

    This is the incoherence of eternal victimhood/unlimited military power

    • Krauss
      March 3, 2015, 1:31 pm

      I watched the speech.

      What most struck me is that even if Bibi has always been deranged in his anti-Iranian rhetoric, it seems it has dawned on him that he has to become much more detailed in his opposition.

      Sure, you had the implicit comparisons with Nazi Germany but he no longer pretends that Iran is imminently seeking to shoot ICBM’s on U.S. coastlines. He mentions that capability in passing, once. Before, he’d make serious arguments – repeatedly – that somehow Iran was just a moment away from launching missiles on New York.

      This means that he is losing the argument. I’d admit that some things are probably good arguments, such as what is the safe-guard after 10 years etc.

      But the fundamental reality is that Bibi has no option. There isn’t a deal Iran will accept that will dismantle their nuclear program. Under sanctions – Bibi’s favored approach – Iran went from hundreds to almost 7000 centrifuges. Everyone understands that war will solve nothing.

      His approach has failed.

      P.S. Here is a better link to his speech/transcript:

      • marc b.
        March 3, 2015, 3:30 pm

        I’d admit that some things are probably good arguments, such as what is the safe-guard after 10 years etc.

        krauss, with all due respect, that’s just a mild variation on the genetic predisposition to ‘anti-semitism’ meme. (after all, the Persians wanted to annihilate the jews, but queen esther saved them. more of the bible as history. thanks Ben-Gurion.) there is no magic number of years which would placate Netanyahu, as he made perfectly clear that there is nothing to stop the Iranians from violating the ‘agreement’, whatever that may be. it’s not about an agreement (or a ‘better agreement’ as he pontificated) it’s about the everlasting non-agreement, and the implicit threat that Israel will go it alone, militarily. and you don’t want the mad dog thrashing about. this speech was a string of one-liners, interspersed with the usual casual dishonesties, and a sprinkling of blackmail. (I had to laugh at his reference to the weak terms of the as of yet written agreement. ‘no, you don’t need special intelligence to know what the terms of the agreement are. you can just google it.’ or words to that effect. iow, yes we have some dual loyalty scum bag leaking us information about the negotiations, but . . . well . . . er. google!)

      • lysias
        March 3, 2015, 3:47 pm

        There is perfectly good evidence that both Cyrus (Cyrus cylinder) and Darius I (letter surviving as inscription) were tolerant towards local religions. There is perfectly good evidence (Old Testament) that Cyrus freed the Jews from their Babylonian exile.

        There is no evidence that the Book of Esther is anything other than mythical. And its glorying in the killing of many Persians is morally grotesque.

      • MRW
        March 3, 2015, 4:07 pm

        Under sanctions – Bibi’s favored approach – Iran went from hundreds to almost 7000 centrifuges.

        Allow me to reiterate: the output of a centrifuge is a gas, a fuel. You cannot make a nuclear weapon out of a gas. You need metal to make it go boom.

        There are two types of nuclear weapons: implosion-type or gun-type. If you want to understand this, read this interview with Clinton Bastin, now deceased.
        From: Iran Has a Nuclear Power, Not a Weapons Program

        Clinton Bastin was responsible for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC)’s reprocessing of plutonium, and plutonium scrap operations, plutonium-238 production, transuranic materials processing, tritium and deuterium production for weapons programs, radioactive waste management, and related activities at the Department of Energy’s Savannah River Plant in South Carolina. He was also involved in the diplomatic side of U.S. international nuclear efforts, and he was president of the Federal Employees Union at the Department of Energy headquarters.

      • RoHa
        March 4, 2015, 4:21 am

        “There is no evidence that the Book of Esther is anything other than mythical. And its glorying in the killing of many Persians is morally grotesque. ”

        Even more morally grotesque is making a joyous festival to commemorate the event.

  6. concernedhuman
    March 3, 2015, 1:42 pm

    Seems Republicans have not changed since the last time Netnyahu addressed the US Congress about “WMD of Iraq”. The blind worship of Netnyahu is still going on.

    “The ideology of Iran’s regime is deeply rooted in Islam and therefore will always be an enemy of the US.

    All he did was say how the deal is a bad deal. Bad mouthed Iran and Islam. Insulted the intelligence of P5+1.

    He recalled the story of Purim in which Persians tried to wipe out the Jews, saying that the people were saved by Esther speaking out.

    Why quote some thing in past when there was no Islam nor Kahmeni?

    is he paranoid thinks Persians will attack Israel?

    • Mayhem
      March 3, 2015, 4:09 pm

      “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – that is the point of referring to Purim. Eerily Purim involved the Persians so the reference to it is all the more poignant.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 6:02 pm

        “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it”

        And everybody knows the story of Purim is pure history! There’s no myth, legend, or apocrypha about it, it’s pure history, and shows what those Persians are like!

        Right Mayhem? Want to show us that Purim is “history” we should learn from?

        (So which is it, Mayhem? Are you exceptionally stupid, or do you think we are? Do you see a third alternative?)

      • marc b.
        March 3, 2015, 6:04 pm

        got it. there is a direct link from the Esther/Haman fairytale to Netanyahu/Khamenei. and in this ‘poignant’ historical analogy, Netanyahu is Queen Esther?

      • Kris
        March 3, 2015, 7:59 pm

        Mayhem, the story of Purim is about celebrating a massacre of 75,000 innocent people. Is it Jew-hatred to point out that this is disgusting?

        If we are going to assign roles in this creepy story, I am guessing that Netanyahu is Haman, the king’s counselor, who carries an idol (Israel?) around his neck, and requires everyone else to bow down to him.

      • Kris
        March 3, 2015, 8:47 pm

        @Mayhem: “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – that is the point of referring to Purim.”

        Wouldn’t the Purim story be more applicable to our unprovoked attacks on Iraq, killing all those people because the Neocons–including Netanyahu–lied in order to inflame our lust for vengeance?

      • Philemon
        March 3, 2015, 8:48 pm

        Mooser, isn’t it considered a novella of sorts in scriptural exegetical circles, like the sort of thing Sir Walter Scott used to write? And wasn’t it inspired by old Babylonian stuff about Ishtar and Marduk, which with Innana, inspired some other legends, too?

        If Mayhem considers that sort of thing “historical,” I think you are giving him too much credit by imagining he can see the third alternative.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 9:31 pm

        Is that Vladimir Purim?

      • talknic
        March 3, 2015, 9:42 pm

        @ Mayhem
        ” “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – that is the point of referring to Purim. Eerily Purim involved the Persians so the reference to it is all the more poignant.”

        Purim is repeated over and over and over.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 9:46 pm

        The thing about the Persians is they have always had a polity and continuity, unlike the Jews who left the house for a snack (gefilte fisch) and only returned 2000 years later.

        This is the big weakness of Zionism- prime real estate on a busy junction, very hard to hold onto – they couldn’t do it in the Bronze age and they probably won’t be able to do it going forward either.

      • Sycamores
        March 3, 2015, 11:54 pm


        DoubleStandard March 2, 2015, 5:19 pm
        The administration has done a 180 in the last few days and toned down its to I wonder how many Jews comment here and are paying attention to the fact that this is taking place right around Purim time. It’s an absolutely meaningful and eerie coincidence.


        Mayhem March 3, 2015, 4:09 pm
        “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – that is the point of referring to Purim. Eerily Purim involved the Persians so the reference to it is all the more poignant.

        not to mention Netanyahu soundbite

        is this a symptom of people who believe in myths for so long they become supertitious?

      • eljay
        March 4, 2015, 7:18 am

        || Mayhemeee: “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” – that is the point of referring to Purim. ||

        I completely agree with you:
        – Iran refuses to bow down to Israel.
        – Israel plans to destroy Iran.
        – Iran, therefore, has the right to “preemptively kill those thought to pose a lethal risk”.

      • Walid
        March 4, 2015, 10:26 am

        “got it. there is a direct link from the Esther/Haman fairytale to Netanyahu/Khamenei. and in this ‘poignant’ historical analogy, Netanyahu is Queen Esther? ” (marc b)

        My understanding of the story is that it was the Babylonians and not the Persians that carted the Jews off into capitivity and it was the Persian Cyrus, that set them free. Jews got this mixed up because the Bible story calls Ahasuerus, King of Persia, which he wasn’t.

        If someone cares to explain it to me, I’m all ears.

      • Philemon
        March 7, 2015, 9:49 pm

        Well, the way I heard it was that old Pharaoh let ’em go, in a manner of speaking. But don’t quote me on it.

    • blendedpurple
      March 3, 2015, 8:33 pm

      He blood libeled Persians, simple as that.

      • eljay
        March 4, 2015, 7:45 am

        || blendedpurple: He blood libeled Persians, simple as that. ||

        That’s a very good way to put it.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 10:59 am

        “He blood libeled Persians, simple as that.”

        Oh, there’s worse than that. This one Gentile said I had lousy weed! A bud libel.

      • CigarGod
        March 4, 2015, 12:09 pm

        The Moose is loose!

      • jon s
        March 9, 2015, 5:41 pm

        You’re right that it was the Babylonians who destroyed the First Temple, and sent part of the Jewish population-mainly of the upper class- into exile, in 586 BCE.
        The Persian King Cyrus conquered Babylon and then issued permission for those Jews who so wished, to return to their homeland and rebuild the temple, in 538 BCE.
        The story of Purim is set during the heyday of the Persian Empire, in the 5th century BCE, so King Ahasueros certainly is the Persian king. Whether or not the story is based on a real event – nobody knows. Some historians identify “Ahasueros” as Xerxes I , who ruled 486-465 BCE.

  7. kalithea
    March 3, 2015, 1:43 pm

    The word “diplomacy” does not exist in the Zionist dictionary; Rabin’s assassination cemented that fact. Palestinians know firsthand, as Israelis have undermined the only Palestinian leader ready to surrender two-thirds of the farm to Zionists to the point that they turned him into a laughable buffoon contracting for Zionism to try as usual to stall and railroad any deal and keep ethnically cleansing Palestinians, grabbing even more of their land and pushing them into a shrinking corner.

    Americans should understand one thing: Zionists are incapable of diplomacy, are bald-faced liars and behave like dictators bellowing orders from the bully pulpit imposing their will on dithering Western leaders who are unable even to end Israeli settlement expansion. The U.S. created this problem by repeatedly covering Israel’s ass at the U.N. and Israel thumbs its nose at its staunchest protector. Israelis will torpedo diplomacy every chance they get and continue to fuel global resentment and provoke war at every turn.

    And as for Pelosi; I’m not buying her statement and her presence and applause were awkward at best. Every Democrat who showed their face there should be shamed and then fired at the ballot box when the time comes. They have no integrity, less respect for the President’s office and are nothing but a bunch of Israeli Firsters. Schumer should be the first to be shown the door and it’s a long time coming as Lieberman’s exit was! They are both shills for Zionism/Israel above all else.

    • Pixel
      March 3, 2015, 4:27 pm


      I’m not done, yet, personally communicating with Congresspeople/their staffers around this issue.

      As a matter of fact, I’m just getting started!

      Before the final clapping had faded away, I headed online and onphone with my carrots and my sticks.

      And I contact them all over the place, not just in my state/area. It’s the least I can do.

      “Pixel, they’re not going to care what you have to say if you’re not a constituent.”

      Perhaps, but that’s not the response I get from the offices.

      • kalithea
        March 3, 2015, 5:24 pm

        I hope everyone does same and I’d like to say one more thing: Brad Sherman who ushered Netanyahoo into the Congress should pack his bags immediately and usher Netanyahoo all the way back to Israel and then – STAY THERE. I could care less if he’s for civil rights, gay rights or yorkie rights- he’s definitely not for Palestinian rights and he proved today which country his allegiance is with, definitely not with the U.S. His hypocrisy is just too disgusting to stomach. All these Zionist California, Florida and New York Democratic Senators who peddle minority rights merely as a tool to get their foot into Congress so they can grovel at the feet of their foreign masters and spread Zionism to naive Americans should go and live in Israel and be subjected to the ignorant fanaticism of their settler kin for the rest of their lives.

      • JWalters
        March 3, 2015, 8:42 pm

        Yes! This is not a time to let up. This is a time to push more. Including thanks to those in Congress who are waking up to the facts. Let’s turn this slide into an avalanche.

    • seafoid
      March 3, 2015, 4:44 pm

      Every Democrat who showed their face there should be shamed and then fired at the ballot box when the time comes.

      ” Regrettably for US democracy, this is a circular matter. As the recent cover story in New Yorker showed in a detailed account, only billionaires are capable today of financing a political campaign (such as required to run for Congress). Everyone else needs a deep-pocketed support. Three or four best organized lobbies have mastered the art of peddling the cheques, in exchange for post-electoral services. And the Supreme Court has confirmed the legality of this process. The organization mentioned in this article belongs to this elite group of deciders. The voters themselves have nothing much to say as this is not, strictly speaking, a ‘partisan’ issue, but a structural deficiency of the electoral system. Hence the deferential monologues, which we hear from the Hill on anything touching upon guns in the streets or ‘existential threat to Israel’, remain at variance to the views espoused by a large proportion of the nation’s voters.”

  8. yonah fredman
    March 3, 2015, 1:48 pm

    The primary problem with the speech was that it took place, not its content.

    I’m sure that one or two of the commentators here are experts in nuclear war theory and in negotiations history and can actually give us information about what could be expected if this current deal is approved by Obama and Kerry and rejected by the congress. But they have not made their presence known yet with any thing approaching erudition that convinces me that they have such knowledge. Until then I believe that it is entirely feasible that the US can get a better agreement if they apply sanctions for a few more years. I doubt that the world, meaning the other plus 5 are really willing to push for a better agreement. Netanyahu is saying that the alternative is not war but a better agreement.

    But if you have erudition to show me that I’m wrong, I’ll listen.

    I think if the US had not attacked Iraq in 2003 it would be in much sounder shape in terms of being tough with Iran in these negotiations. The war weakened the US and if an agreement is reached with Iran it will probably reflect that weakness.

    And btw Iran is a very real issue and not just a fake issue used to cover up the only thing that matters: the West Bank. This is just rhetoric. Netanyahu is truly concerned about Iran and the bomb.

    • seafoid
      March 3, 2015, 3:02 pm

      Poor Israel. It has gone to war against egypt, palestine, syria , lebanon and jordan , bombed iraq and lives by the sword. It is run by a military junta. It has 6 million indoctrinated jews and it is afraid. Maybe violence is the wrong way.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 3:16 pm

      “But if you have erudition to show me that I’m wrong, I’ll listen.”

      Think whatever you want Yonah. Do you really think, at this point, anybody thinks you have a mind to change? Or thinks you want “dialog” (sic. pace RW) I really doubt it.

      Wait a minute! What’s this about “erudition”? Isn’t “erudition” pretty lascivious? Sure sounds like it.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 3:25 pm

      “I think if the US had not attacked Iraq in 2003 it would be in much sounder shape in terms of being tough with Iran in these negotiations.”

      Yes, I remember the lengths Zionists went to to stop the War on Iraq! One of them, was it Bill Kristol, or (Jeffry Goldberg? can’t remember now) was only stopped from immolating himself in protest of the attack on Iraq by the failure of a cheap cigarette lighter.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 4:48 pm

        I think I was Goldberg. His IDF concentration camp guard’s uniform was tragically fireproof.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 3:29 pm

      “Netanyahu is truly concerned about Iran and the bomb”

      Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it’s because he can get all famischt about Iran without having to talk about what Israel is doing.

      If Netanyahoo is so worried about Iran, he should approach them, show them all the wonderful things Israel has to offer them, and negotiate one of those reciprocal treaties. What could be simpler?

      EDIT: What could be simpler? I know! Netanyahoo could join the US in trying to negotiate with Iran, and benefit from US coattails. Why not? That’s what small, weak, countries with a lot of their own problems have to do.
      And wow, if Israel signed the NNPT (Nuclear non-proliferation) thing, and opened itself to inspections, think of how much pressure that would put on Iran!

    • Giles
      March 3, 2015, 3:59 pm

      “But they have not made their presence known yet with any thing approaching erudition that convinces me that they have such knowledge..”

      English as a second language?

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 6:05 pm

        “English as a second language?”

        Not at all! It’s just thought as a distant third or fourth as a way of dealing with reality. I’m sure his language reflects his state of mind quite accurately.

    • In2u
      March 3, 2015, 4:10 pm

      “Netanyahu is saying that the alternative is not war but a better agreement”

      Better agreement than what agreement?

      Have they reached an agreement?

    • MRW
      March 3, 2015, 4:11 pm

      Erudition? I think you mean evidence.

      • Giles
        March 3, 2015, 4:42 pm

        But they have not made their presence known yet with any thing approaching erudition that convinces me that they have such knowledge.

        But if you have erudition to show me that I’m wrong, I’ll listen.

        I am not sure anyone has sufficient quantities of erudition to meet hophmi’s standard.

        He sure crafts odd sentences.

    • a blah chick
      March 3, 2015, 5:08 pm

      What about Israel’s bombs?

    • kalithea
      March 3, 2015, 5:53 pm

      Yeah Netanyahoo’s been crying wolf for almost 30 years alleging the bomb is a year away when he knows intelligence proves otherwise. So yeah, it is as Obama stated a huge decades-long DISTRACTION but from the issue that really scares Zionists – giving up land that’s not theirs to begin with.

      And, the U.S. attacked Iraq because Israelis provided their Neocon American counterparts with a plan and fake intelligence because just like Iran Zionists were paranoid that Saddam had restarted a nuclear program after Israel took out Osirak. Since Operation Opera Zionists did not rest in cooking up lies (e.g. Saddam was harboring AQ) to justify the invasion of Iraq.

      So if today the outcome in Iraq is inconvenient for Zionists because Iraq is closer to Iran– too bad; you all made that bed! And maybe for the U.S. Iran remains the enemy even though it’s the enemy of ISIS but the same cannot be said of Zionists who would probably not hesitate to provide assistance to ISIS like they have al-Nusra terrorists if it suited their interests because there is no low point that Zionism will not explore to subsist.

    • Donald
      March 3, 2015, 6:03 pm

      I think that if you are worried about an Iranian bomb,then impoverishing the Iranian people for several more years is a good way to increase hatred. I don’t speak as some expert and I am not being snarky, just pointing out how people are likely to react to what they will perceive (rightly, IMO) to Western hypocrisy and brutality. Allow ordinary Iranians to lead a decent life or at least take away the Western-imposed obstacle and we may find that Iranians as a whole want friendship with the West. At the very least, if things are still bad for Iranians,the government won’t have the excuse of the sanctions to explain it. I might be wrong about this, but I suspect the real danger here is Western arrogance creating more hatred for ourselves.

      Incidentally, many of the same people who casually support very harsh sanctions or blockades for Iranians, Iraqis (back in the 90’s) or Gazans see the much less harsh proposal of BDS as some sort of anti semitic atrocity. I’m not talking about you, Yonah, as I don’t know your position on BDS, but just pointing out the double standards of the West. And if I notice this, you know that many millions in the Middle East recognize it far more easily.

      • eljay
        March 3, 2015, 6:42 pm

        || Donald @ March 3, 2015, 6:03 pm ||

        I agree.

        || Incidentally, many of the same people who casually support very harsh sanctions or blockades for Iranians, Iraqis (back in the 90’s) or Gazans see the much less harsh proposal of BDS as some sort of anti semitic atrocity. ||

        Zio-supremacists are hypocrites who believe that they are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality that they would not have others do unto them.

      • Donald
        March 3, 2015, 7:52 pm

        I agree with your agreement with me :). But it’s not just the Zionists–it’s a common Western attitude and when people say that the U.S. and Israel share common values, I think they are right in ways that aren’t flattering to either.

      • eljay
        March 3, 2015, 8:39 pm

        || Donald @ March 3, 2015, 7:52 pm ||

        Not trying to turn this into a mutual-admiration competition, but I agree with you again. :-)

        (And just to clarify: I specified Zio-supremacists because on MW they represent a very clear – and very vocal – example of the hypocrisy you mentioned.)

    • blendedpurple
      March 3, 2015, 8:37 pm

      The US can’t go to war with Iran. If it does, the American led world will be over. It’s amazing the military option is even on the table after the defeat in Iraq.

      Iran is a cohesive modern country with 3 times the population of Iraq, and a disciplined motivated military. Never mind its deep ties with Russia and China, who the US is already in near conflict with.

      Good grief. Washington is insane with blood drenched hubris.

      • oldgeezer
        March 8, 2015, 12:48 am

        “you come and diss the Jews.”
        “philomen- i’m betting you’re white. :

        I’m betting you are an immature, early 20 something. No love interest let alone children. Living comfortably off of mommy and daddy. While reference has been made to you possibily being a lawyer I reject that/ Your posts both in terms of legal issues and in terms of questions you have raised (Ammanpour’s background. Never raise a question you don’t know the answer to) shows that you have no legal education worth talking about. Perhaps maritime law in which case your ship sailed long before you arrived dockside. You are as close to having any legal expertise as I am to heart surgery.

        You do have an obsession with ethnicity of other people and with miscegenation which are hallmarks of textbook racism so I have no trouble with saying you have more in common with David Duke that any decent folk. Clearly in your world ethnicity speaks to entitlement to speak upon any topic.

        I would like to meet you some day. I’d buy you a coffee and would do no harm. I’ve never seen such a twisted mind in my lifetime and I’m curious as to what created you and what makes you tick.

    • Shingo
      March 4, 2015, 3:48 am

      The primary problem with the speech was that it took place, not its content.

      So does that mean you agree with it’s content?

      • yonah fredman
        March 4, 2015, 7:32 pm

        I have not read the whole speech and it contained rhetorical excesses that I would personally avoid. It is a speech delivered by Bibi Netanyahu and not Herzog, who I prefer, and not Avrum Burg, who is no longer running for office and thus can suggest radical answers rather than predictable stratagems, so no, I do not agree with it. But when it comes down to the essence, it was the fact of the speech rather than any content that will be remembered.

      • Walid
        March 4, 2015, 9:57 pm

        Shingo, Yonah is saying that he’s picky about which anti-Palestinian state Zionist he’d follow. He prefers Hertzog that would do exactly what Netanuahu is doing but that would use vaseline.

      • Mooser
        March 5, 2015, 4:14 pm

        “I have not read the whole speech and it contained rhetorical excesses that I would personally avoid.”

        Yonah, I’m sure everybody has noted, and appreciated the moderate tenor, civility, and lack of personal aspersions your comments are noted and appreciated for.

        And the regular demands of: ‘Hey you, what’s your ethnicity, anyway?’ endear you to all and sundry.

      • Philemon
        March 5, 2015, 8:10 pm

        Mooser, Yonah also apparently thinks he can tell the color of someone’s skin based on their comments… Make of it what you will.

      • yonah fredman
        March 5, 2015, 8:55 pm

        I would probably vote for Meretz if I were in Israel. On the issue of Iran and its nuke ambitions I am more ‘conservative’ than I am on the issue of the Palestinians. On the issue of Iran I would want to be represented by a speech by Herzog rather than a speech by some Meretz person. On the issue of Palestinians I am to the left of Meretz. I would not feel comfortable voting for the United Arab List, but on this issue I am more apt to tend towards Avrum Burg’s experimentation than I would be on the issue of Iranian nukes.

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2015, 7:32 pm

        “I would probably vote for Meretz if I were in Israel”

        If I am not mistaken, Yonah, you can register and vote in Israeli election by mail. Don’t waste your vote, make sure you are registered and have a ballot.

        “issue of Iranian nukes.”

        Repeat after me, Yonah: “Iran has no nukes. Israel has a complete illegal nuclear arsenal, illegal, un-inspected, uncontrolled.” Why, Yonah, would you be proud to have an atom-bomb with a Star of David on the side land on somebody?

      • Philemon
        March 6, 2015, 9:28 pm

        Iran is on record as having a moral objection to nukes as weapons. Which everyone should because they are completely indiscriminate and horrific.

      • Philemon
        March 6, 2015, 9:47 pm

        “I would probably vote for Meretz if I were in Israel…”

        And on what color my skin is, which way would you vote, Yonah?

      • yonah fredman
        March 7, 2015, 3:25 pm

        philomen- i’m betting you’re white.

        you come and diss the Jews. I wonder what your ethnicity is. I try to categorize you, who are a Jew hater, what type of Jew hater you are. It is easier for me to see you as a white man hating the Jews for old reasons than a man of color hating the Jews for more recent reasons.

      • yonah fredman
        March 7, 2015, 3:29 pm

        Walid- referring to me in the 3rd person is rude. is this what the dictates of non normalization look like?

      • Walid
        March 7, 2015, 5:16 pm

        “Walid- referring to me in the 3rd person is rude. is this what the dictates of non normalization look like?

        It was not meant to be rude, Yonah, I was putting in my two cents’ worth to Shingo, since it dealt with something you had written him and it couldn’t have been anything other than third person. To address you directly on something you were discussing with Shingo would have been barging-in and rude. I have no problem with normalization with you as an American.

      • Philemon
        March 7, 2015, 8:37 pm

        “philomen- i’m betting you’re white.

        “you come and diss the Jews. I wonder what your ethnicity is. I try to categorize you, who are a Jew hater, what type of Jew hater you are.”[sic]

        Mr. Fredman – Please present a cogent and sound argument for your position. Your post is merely a crude and bigoted invective. I truly hope you are able to rise above that level.

      • Mooser
        March 7, 2015, 9:41 pm

        “It is easier for me to see you as a white man hating the Jews for old reasons than a man of color hating the Jews for more recent reasons.”

        Gee Yonah, between the “white man hating the Jews for old reasons” and the “man of color hating the Jews for more recent reasons” have we made any friends? Old reasons to hate us, recent reasons, Yonah, have you ever thought about giving somebody a reason to like us?

        “you come and diss the Jews.”

        Wait a minute, let me cue up Micheal Jackson’s “Beat It”!

      • Mooser
        March 7, 2015, 10:16 pm

        “I have not read the whole speech and it contained rhetorical excesses that I would personally avoid”

        Good for you, Yonah!

        “you come and diss the Jews. I wonder what your ethnicity is. I try to categorize you, who are a Jew hater, what type of Jew hater you are”

        Nope, not for Yonah those nasty “rhetorical excesses” Yonah “personally” avoids them. They are “the dictates of non-normalization” by crackey!

      • yonah fredman
        March 8, 2015, 5:09 pm

        here is the original comment by philomen which drew my response regarding his ethnic group:

        “Per Yonah: “… antisemitism is a dangerous and hardy disease amongst some nonJews.”

        But Yonah, how do you know which nonJews? I mean, it might strike the most philosemitic nonJew at any time!

        Yeah, “some” versus “all”, but what are the tell-tale signs? How do you tell who among nonJews is infected with this dangerous and hardy disease, and how can you tell if, even if previously they were free from all taint, it might not be lying dormant, just biding its time, as it were.

        I’d be careful if I were you, Yonah. You never know what might set it off.

        Will somebody please tell the folks at the asylum about Yonah.”

        My original comments were elicited when american accused me of saying that all nonJews were Jew haters and I retorted that I said, some nonJews are Jew haters and philomen accused me of “how do you know. you must hate all nonJews.” thus treating the subject of Jew hatred like some silly game. and such frivolity in regards to Jew hatred is most often the province of real Jew haters and usually (on this web site) white Jew haters, so because of philomen’s disgusting remarks, i questioned his ethnicity. if he had not said something stupid, frivolous, anti historical, anti human about the phenomena of Jew hatred, I would not have struck out at his ethnicity. so let me retract this and say that philomen is beneath contempt no matter what his ethnicity. fair enough, philomen?

      • Annie Robbins
        March 8, 2015, 8:44 pm

        yonah, if you care to put words in someone’s mouth they did not say please do not do it here w/quotemarks:

        I retorted that I said, some nonJews are Jew haters and philomen accused me of “how do you know. you must hate all nonJews.”

        there’s no record anyway of him saying “you must hate all nonJews” that i could find.

        also, you’re picking up a month old conversation and placing your own interpretation on it. and for the record, your original comment (contrary to what you claim) referenced “jewish intermarriage”, your best friend who made, according to you, a blanket statement about non jews (the ones he knew anyway) “he told me that when he hung around nonJews and they would diss Jews” – See more at: then you went on to make up hypotheticals about describing anti semites, back to jewish intermarriage, attacks at “kosher markets and jewish schools” and landed back on jewish intermarriage.

        i think in that comment, for the record, philemon was making fun of you, not anti semitism in general. and i noticed old geezer made the same or similar ‘joke’ in the conversation and you didn’t go nuts on him. it seems like you’re sort of picking a fight here a month down the road.

        and, i can understand how you’d be offended by being accused of accusing all nonjews of anti semitism if you never said that, but can we get over this. you’ve accused enough posters of here of bigotry time and again. but you seem to get upset when being accused yourself.

      • Philemon
        March 8, 2015, 9:08 pm

        Mr. Fredman quotes me as saying, “how do you know. you must hate all nonJews…” when I never wrote that. It’s a false attribution, and it makes me wonder how or why he read it into what I in fact wrote…

        It was Mr. Fredman accusing some “nonJews” of having a “dangerous and hardy disease” which caused them to be antisemitic and hate Jews (not the other way round) that elicited my comment.

        As there is no known clinical disease of that sort, and therefore obviously no clinical test for its presence, I suggested to Mr. Fredman that he had no way of estimating its prevalence, and the some/all distinction he cited in his defense was a distinction without a difference.

        The idea of antisemitism as a “dangerous and hardy disease” did seem rather conducive to, if not the result of, a paranoid fantasy on Mr. Fredman’s part. Thus, I thought someone at the mental health facility where he may reside should be alerted.

        If I did wrong by mocking his apparent paranoid fantasy, I am very sorry for it. However, I always understood that one should discourage that sort of thing.

      • yonah fredman
        March 9, 2015, 7:57 pm

        I have no desire to research precisely what I said. If i get taken to some fictional court of law to determine what exactly I said and what elicited the comment, then I will spend the time to reconstruct precisely the “discussion” between philomen and me. but this is a comments section and thus I really won’t spend the time to figure out who said what when and why i reacted.

        I’ve been reading Clive James’ “Cultural Amnesia” and some essays from George Steiner collected from the New Yorker, and I am impressed by the centrality that Nazism plays in James’s descriptions of the 20th century and Steiner’s statement (paraphrase) that one cannot understand Hitler’s actions without understanding that antiSemitism was ultimately at the base of his decision making.

        It is feasible that commentator x or commentator Y was merely insulting me and not the statement that antisemitism is a hardy disease. in fact antisemitism is a very hardy disease and even if it is nowhere near a central motif of american history it is certainly a central motif of the last 130 years of Western (white man) history. And those who treat history as if it is a comic book or a joke do not belong in the company of adults.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 9, 2015, 9:57 pm

        in fact antisemitism is a very hardy disease

        in fact, racism and bigotry are not classified as diseases by the american psychiatric society, therefore i seriously doubt anti semitism has been classified as a mental disease. i think someone tried informing you of that in a “light” way and it didn’t go over too well.

        speaking of central motifs, one central motif of american discourse is everyone who criticizes israel being called an anti semite. now all those who stand accused are allegedly diseased?

        not sure if you were around a month or so ago when someone here was trying to make the argument that israelis or zionists all suffered from a psychological impairment. (i deleted a bunch of comments like this) and then there’s caroline glick claiming all of europe were obsessive compulsives (a serious mental condition). can we not take it to this level yonah?

        Thinking of any form of racism as an illness is very troubling. Historically, psychiatrists, psychologists, the medical establishment and lay people have all agreed that the roots of racism are cultural or societal — a set of beliefs and behaviors that are learned and, as a result, can be unlearned. If it were to ever be declared an illness that can be treated, racists would no longer be legally or ethically responsible for their actions. Just imagine it: a medical justification for discriminating against, or even killing, those of another race.

      • Philemon
        March 10, 2015, 9:02 pm

        Yonah: “I have no desire to research precisely what I said.”

        Of course not, it might not reflect well on you.

        And, of course, Yonah, I was making fun of you, and pointing out the delusional aspects of your paranoid fantasies because it’s a kindness, really, to those who are subject to those things to minimize them and make light of them.

        I still don’t see why you’re so convinced that I’m white (as a race, complexion, or color scheme), but it seems inordinately important to you.

        I’m inclining to Annie’s view that you seem to get upset when accused of bigotry yourself. Maybe that’s why you’re so set on my being white and probably “nonJewish”, even though, for all you know, I’m Sammy Davis, Jr., incarnate.

      • CigarGod
        March 11, 2015, 9:11 am

        I’ve always wondered if you were a Jamaican living in Philadelphia. But, Yonah the Pale, must surely have more to go on than your MW name.

    • oldgeezer
      March 8, 2015, 12:38 am

      “But if you have erudition to show me that I’m wrong, I’ll listen.”

      No doubt you would. Unfortunately you lack the ability to comprehend what you hear.
      Each and every day you unveil to the world the depth of your bigotry and racism. And your lack of ability to comprehend is displayed by your fabricated/misplaced umbrage.

      I, for one, am very glad you are here as your bile serves the Palestinian cause more than those who oppress them.

      Stop killing babies.
      Stop killing innocent civillians.
      Stop stealing land.
      At the very least treat those fighting for their land as equal, instead of subordinate, to the citizens of Israel who are trying to steal it. No legal or moral basis justifies the crimes against humanity perpetrated by them.

      • Mooser
        March 9, 2015, 11:52 am

        I don’t know what Yonah is talking about. When my non-Jewish friends get together, they never “diss” Jews in general. They always “diss” me personally!

  9. John O
    March 3, 2015, 1:53 pm

    I was following this earlier on the Guardian website. Normally any I/P article there on which comments are open, degenerates rapidly as the hasbaristas (doubtless alerted by the CiFWatch website) pile in. But of over a hundred comments posted last time I looked, almost all are giving Netanyahu a roasting. And the few pro-Bibi messages that are posted are going down in a hail of anti-aircraft fire.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      March 4, 2015, 8:21 am

      Sure, but remember that the Jonathan Freeland Guardian is under the delusion – one of the many many delusions of ‘liberal Zionism’ that all Israel’s problems – they don’t much trouble themselves with Palestinians – stem from Bibi. People like Freedland and his side kick, the loathesome gossip columnist and some time political hack Hadley Freeman, love to kid themselves with the nonsense that Israel is basicaly good, but just corrupted by the likes of Bibi. They are hoping he’ll be kicked out, not because it will improve things for the Palestinians – of course it won’t, but because it will make them feel better about their unreflective Zionism, and make them less embarrased to be fanatically pro-Israel. Hence the Guardian’s uncharacteristic willingness to let comments roam – relatively — free.

      It’s all about them, you see. Palestinians are just a distraction.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2015, 8:35 am

        Israelis are basically normal regular people in the eyes of Freedland. The education system is no different to that in the UK, except that it isn’t. And Bibi and the settlers are a small problem that the good sabras will defeat whenever they feel like getting the finger out.
        Except the settlers won years ago and the situation continues to deteriorate and it’s all going to hell in a handbasket.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 4, 2015, 9:15 am

        Exactly. It’s the ‘see no evil’ mantra of ‘lib zios’ the world over. Living in their little lalalands where Israel and Jews are always, always the victims, years of evidence to the contrary be damned.

        On the plus side, George Galloway is sueing the vile gossip columnist Freeman for calling him a – yes you’ve guessed it – anti-semite on Twitter:

  10. Bornajoo
    March 3, 2015, 1:55 pm

    Most of the words in his speech could have been used to describe israel, not Iran.

    Big public slap on the face for Obama and Kerry. You would expect some reaction and fall out from this audacious display from a warmongering liar but I somehow doubt anything tangible will happen. In a couple of days it’ll be forgotten and back to business as usual.

    • a blah chick
      March 3, 2015, 2:53 pm

      “In a couple of days it’ll be forgotten and back to business as usual.”

      I fear you are correct.

      I couldn’t bear to watch it but according to the reviews it was a bit of a let down. Just the same old tired lies, obfuscations, bigotry and warmongering but he didn’t get as many standing ovations as last time! I’ll take that as a minor victory.

      I shall now pray that the Joint List cleans up in the coming election.

  11. just
    March 3, 2015, 2:16 pm

    It’so sad that people applauded.

    • Krauss
      March 3, 2015, 2:34 pm

      The question is, does this speech beat the last speech with its 29 standing ovations?

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 3:59 pm

        Krauss, I think I read he got 24 this time. Not sure.

      • Trygve
        March 3, 2015, 4:16 pm

        My count is the same as Mooser’s: 23 during the delivery and four minutes of adoration at the end.

      • John Douglas
        March 3, 2015, 4:58 pm

        The Republicans (and some Democrats) were very happy clappers. It was no act for them. They were thinking, “This time we can really put that black so-called President in his place (even if their preferred white one is an Israeli war-monger.)

    • Ellen
      March 3, 2015, 2:34 pm

      It is so sad that Pelosi feels she had to wrap her statement in the standard toxic pablum :

      “Americans stand shoulder to shoulder with the Israeli people. The state of Israel stands as the greatest political achievement of the 20th century, and the United States will always have an unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.”

      She still needs the check from AIPAC, et al. Our Congress is a revolting embarrassment.

      • eljay
        March 3, 2015, 2:49 pm

        || Ellen: It is so sad that Pelosi feels she had to wrap her statement in the standard toxic pablum … ||

        Yes, it is.

        || “Americans stand shoulder to shoulder with the Israeli people. … ||

        Americans should stand shoulder to shoulder with the oppressed (the Palestinians), not with the oppressors (the Israelis).

        || … The state of Israel stands as the greatest political achievement of the 20th century … ||

        The state of Israel stands as a tribute to the power of injustice and immorality in the 20th and 21st centuries. Hardly something to be proud of.

        || … and the United States will always have an unshakable commitment to Israel’s security.” ||

        No country should have an “unshakeable commitment” to the security of any other country. All relationships must be open to re-evaluation.

    • Kathleen
      March 3, 2015, 2:47 pm

      When BB was trying to appease by thanking Obama Dems stood up..GOP stayed seated. Once again we see who the GOP and really many Dem Reps pledge allegiance too

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 9:39 pm

      It is sad that people applaud this obvious war monger. There is no doubt about it, he stood up in front of the American people to turn them against their own President and his policies, and that Americans in Congress publicly showed their allegiance to that alien leader, every time they applauded, it was an insult to Obama and his efforts. Every time they applauded they were showing they preferred to reject ANYTHING the President offered, and supported the war the only thing Netanyahu wants.

  12. FreddyV
    March 3, 2015, 2:23 pm

    As a non American who is not used to viewing visiting speakers to your Congress, I have to say I was sickened to the stomach by the sight of American politicians jostling to out do each other in their vocal support for Netanyahu.

    It was unashamed.

    It was blatant.

    It was the worst display of arse kissing I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

    Now I know the UK government is very bought by the Israel lobby, but this was something else. I have never ever seen before. I’m in shock.

    “America is easily moved”? Irrespective of this being the Israeli PM, I am truly scared shitless that a that a foreign head of state carries this much influence of the world’s only superpower.

    • Kathleen
      March 3, 2015, 2:52 pm

      That would be a great visual for one of those so called liberal political cartoon outlets. Lip prints all over BB’s ass…with their signatures. Not enough room but the cartoonist could do it.

    • Jenin Younes
      March 3, 2015, 3:04 pm

      FreddyV, as an American with a palestinian parent, I can say honestly this was one of the saddest days in my life. I try to be optimistic but it seems impossible we will go from a situation where politicians are falling all over each other to kiss netanyahu’s ass– and a situation in which even politicians critical of the speech made sure to voice their unconditional support to israel — to seeing justice for the Palestinians in my lifetime. I hope I’m wrong, but it’s hard to see that happening

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 4:17 pm

        I wouldn’t be so down, Jenin. Zionism has entered the nonsense stage.
        All the pols are only there for the money.

        Powerful, thuglike, cruel and hated lobbies with no grassroots support fall like this :

      • Jenin Younes
        March 3, 2015, 4:41 pm

        Seafoid, thanks, hope you are right. I forced myself to watch the speech (got through about 15 minutes before I couldn’t take any more) and it’s just unbelievable to me, watching these politicians clapping at every other sentence, so eager to express their undying love for Israel, under the guise of caring about human rights and having values…it was Orwellian. I worry that even if public opinion changes (as it undoubtedly has) it won’t really matter because our politics are dictated by the Sheldon Adelsons and Koch brothers of the world…

    • concernedhuman
      March 3, 2015, 3:30 pm

      Then how much should palestinians be scared about this influence?

      With this kind of influence they think US must be the mediator and a neutral one.

      And the international community is a joke cant see this influence.

  13. Pixel
    March 3, 2015, 2:27 pm

    In case you missed the visual in Bibi’s speech today, here it is, again:
    March 3, 2015 Netayahu Speech _ Visual

    • amigo
      March 3, 2015, 3:48 pm

      “In case you missed the visual in Bibi’s speech today, here it is, again:” Pixel.

      No thanks —“never again”.

  14. chet
    March 3, 2015, 2:32 pm

    Not so much sad as disgusting and contemptible that these odious money-grubbing political creatures would applaud their president being disrespected by a foreigner in their own legislative chamber.

  15. pabelmont
    March 3, 2015, 2:37 pm

    He says he’s afraid that Iran will get nukes; but Israel has nukes.
    He says he is afraid that Iran will become warlike. But Israel is actively at war (with Palestine if not more) and has been since 1967 or since 1947, depends how you count, and wants to pretend it is afraid of war. Israel loves war, has built up a culture of active warfare like no other country on earth.

  16. Kathleen
    March 3, 2015, 2:50 pm

    After BB’s speech Cspan had lines open for comments. Have never heard anything like this. The calls were at least 20 to 1 in support of Netanyahu. Either the I lobby has gotten to Cspan and the screeners have been told to only let supporters through or Pro Israel groups planned a surge of calls on Cspan.

    • a blah chick
      March 3, 2015, 2:54 pm

      That has got to be rigged.

      • Kathleen
        March 3, 2015, 3:23 pm

        Have not seen anything so organized or biased on cspan since Ron Paul was a candidate. The Libertarians used to flood the outlet with phone calls in support of Paul

  17. Taxi
    March 3, 2015, 2:52 pm

    Netnyahu came to con another war out of us. This time a war against Iran. He wants us to attack Iran without prejudice in order to save poor israel, who just so happens to have some of its illegal nukes actually pointing at all the major cities in Iran.

    Let us here briefly remember what happened the last time a war was forced on Iran. It was in September 1980. Saddam Hussein deliberately attacked Iran. Saddam had an abundant arsenal, mega financial and diplomatic support from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and the USA – unlimited supply of money and arms and fighting men were in Saddam’s war chest. They said the war would take six months. The war took eight years. The casualties were high: an estimated half a million dead soldiers each side therefore it cost a million lives. It was a yo-yo draw for most of the war – what eventually tipped the balance was CIA intelligence locating Iranian troops en mass, passed onto Saddam. Military analysts were calling it “a victory based on a technicality”. In other words, a Pyrrhic victory. We all know what Saddam got out of the victory. The noose.

    And Natanyahu wants a continuation of that? He wants us to step into Saddam’s shoes, spearheading a war on Iran with the support of the decrepit oily sheiks egging us on like they did with Saddam back in the 80’s? Worth remembering here too that soon as Saddam won them their war against Iran (on a technicality), every single one of his oily allies turned around and repeatedly stabbed him in the back, while the USA stabbed him in the face. People should therefore not be puzzled at Saddam Husseins’ grim descent into episodic paranoia soon after his victory over Iran. He became unfit to make leadership decisions with so many actual and imagined conspiracies swirling in his mind 24 hours a day.

    But I digress…

    Iran in 2015 is by far stronger than it was back in 1980: it has bigger guns, more men, more regional influence and most importantly, it has China and Russia in its war chest. Attacking Iran carries with it the high risk of lighting the fuse of World War Three. A war where even the victor will be utterly devastated.

    Fat fact is, not israel, not the USA, nor Iran can afford to go to war. That’s why everyone working the scene knows that a deal is the ONLY option on the table.

    Everything else in the meantime is ziokabuki for the masses.

    • lysias
      March 3, 2015, 2:59 pm

      Walter Pincus’s column in the Washington Post this morning actually mentioned that Israel has 200 nukes.

      • Kathleen
        March 3, 2015, 3:19 pm

        Miracles will never cease

      • Pixel
        March 3, 2015, 4:44 pm


        I’ll be damned.

      • lysias
        March 3, 2015, 5:23 pm

        I suspect this miracle happened because Pincus, as usual, was doing the bidding of his military and/or intel sources.

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 9:42 pm

        As I mentioned before Netanyahu projected too much. Well, what do you know, they have lots and lots of nukes too, and did not sign the NPT so far. Hypocrites.

      • ckg
        March 4, 2015, 9:35 am

        Israel has 200 nukes.

        And we all know how the Purim story “happily” ends.

    • Abierno
      March 3, 2015, 3:21 pm

      Well stated, Taxi.

    • Pixel
      March 3, 2015, 4:39 pm




  18. Walid
    March 3, 2015, 2:55 pm

    I’ve been watching Amanpour for the last hour or so and she and the guests she has on her program have been wiping the floor with Netanyahu. Never thought I’d see the day when this would happen on CNN.

    Now she has ended her program by pushing talented Iranian musicians and Iranian art.

    Looking forward to hearing Blitzer’s comments>

    • Kathleen
      March 3, 2015, 3:20 pm

      This is actually amazing. Have heard Amanpour repeat the Iran warmongering claims…often

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 9:44 pm

      It is hard for anyone, who knows any country well, to hear lies, exaggerations, and efforts to bomb it, at any time. Amanpour knows Iran has been demonized, and does not deserve the attacks against it.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 4, 2015, 8:25 am

        ”Amanpour knows Iran has been demonized, and does not deserve the attacks against it.”

        Hardly. She’s been at the forefront of peddling those lies.

  19. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 3:04 pm

    I would love to know what young liberal US Jews think of the speech.

  20. Kathleen
    March 3, 2015, 3:17 pm

    Really different for Amanpour. She has repeated the I lobbies unsubstantiated claims about Iran for years…..often.

  21. Kathleen
    March 3, 2015, 3:22 pm

    One thing is for sure if the U.S. ends up being the military attack dog for Israel, all Americans who care will know where to lay the blame for the disastrous outcome. Of course working hard so this does not happen….

  22. zaid
    March 3, 2015, 3:24 pm

    I personally believe that a nuclear armed Iran is a must in the middle east and without it the middle east will remain unstable and the zionist state will continue to bully us all.

  23. Kathleen
    March 3, 2015, 3:32 pm

    The gate keepers who controlled who got into the speech and who did not must have had their Code Pink radar on extra high. They have usually slipped a few protestors in. Not this year with Sheldon and crew up in the cheering section.

  24. Taxi
    March 3, 2015, 3:37 pm
  25. crone
    March 3, 2015, 3:42 pm


    Bibi will lose the election.

    This from

    “… The world awaits the conclusion of a comprehensive agreement between Washington and Tehran -under the ridiculous pretext of ending a military nuclear program that has not existed since the end of the war waged by Iraq (1980-1988) -. It would focus on the protection of Israel in exchange for recognition of Iranian influence in the Middle East and Africa.

    However, this should only take effect after the Israeli elections of March 17, 2015. The supposed defeat of Netanyahu would renew ties between Washington and Tel Aviv and facilitate agreement with Tehran.

    In this context, the US elite are trying to agree on future policy, while the European allies of the United States are preparing to align with what will be the new US policy.”


  26. ckg
    March 3, 2015, 3:47 pm

    Chris Matthews commented on the speech:

    This man from a foreign government walked into the United States legislative chamber and tried to take over foreign policy.

    • Kathleen
      March 3, 2015, 4:14 pm

      Strong statement out of Matthews

    • amigo
      March 3, 2015, 4:24 pm

      “Chris Matthews commented on the speech:” ckg

      Healso said the following.

      Calling the situation “startling,” Matthews said, “It’s a remarkable day when the leaders of the opposition in Congress allowed this to happen. Think it through, what country in the world would let a foreign leader come in and attempt to rest from the president control of U.S. foreign policy?”

      “This was a takeover attempt by Netanyahu with his complying American partners to take American foreign policy out of the hands of the president,” he concluded.”

      Pretty damning stuff.

      Thanks for the link.

      • RoHa
        March 4, 2015, 4:29 am

        Surely he said “wrest”.

    • Pixel
      March 3, 2015, 5:41 pm



    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 9:47 pm

      And the shameful Congress let him.

    • Abu Malia
      March 4, 2015, 11:05 am

      Geezus holy creepers ckg! i can’t believe C. Matthews just said that. The phuckin’ warm has turned and i no longer need to use Phil’s infinite optimism as a crutch. Just wow – I’m in disbelieve.
      For some strange reason, watching C. Matthews say what he just said reminded me of my Dobberman puppy – one day long ago my puppy casually walked past me while i was watching something on the tube, i paid him no mind but did notice he still had no balls. Few minutes later, the pooch walks in front of me again – this time he had an unmistakeable pair hanging.

      I called the breeder (who sold me the dog) to tell him what i just witnessed. “yeah, it is about time his balls dropped” he said.

      I’m of course not comparing my beloved and loyal Dobbie to heretofore cowardly propagandist for the ruling elite.

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2015, 7:40 pm

        “Few minutes later, the pooch walks in front of me again – this time he had an unmistakeable pair hanging.”

        Hooray! Your dog has been “normalized” and “legitimated”. He done determined himself!

        (And hopefully nobody will “fix” Matthews)

  27. Pixel
    March 3, 2015, 3:57 pm

    Netanyahu came up empty. He whiffed. His shot sailed so wide of the rim that it went up into the bleachers and struck a small child in the face


    Netanyahu Just Did Obama a Big Favor

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 4:06 pm

      “Netanyahu came up empty.”

      Really? On other threads (but not on this one, of course, having to do directly with the speech) some of the usual herd of ilk are celebrating the “rhetorical” brilliance of Nettie’s speech. On the other threads they are announcing what a success the speech is.

  28. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 3:58 pm

    “Reflecting the criticism of Obama and senior US officials, Michael Oren, former Israeli ambassador to the US now running for office, conceded that while Netanyahu gave a “powerful” speech to he “did not offer any new ideas.””

    The beauty of speaking directly to the Hebrew people from the seat of global power for your election campaign is that you don’t need new ideas. You just tap into the trauma vein using the same old tired canards and do the dog whistles and those people will vote Likud as sure as the IDF is a colonial police force.

    • Marnie
      March 4, 2015, 1:38 am

      And of course you have get the holocaust prop, Elie Wiesel, out of the home, muss him up, and trot him around.

      • seafoid
        March 5, 2015, 10:07 am

        The Holocaust prop who supports mass murder in Gaza.
        I think Anne Frank would have been better as a representative of the 1940s, not a sociopath.

  29. Mayhem
    March 3, 2015, 4:01 pm

    No amount of denial can refute the fact that the American people like Netanyahu more than ever so he must be doing something right.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 6:16 pm

      “so he must be doing something right.”

      After all “The Jewish Press” says so. And I thought they would say just the opposite, too. What a topsy-turvy world. Oh, look, it says Netanyahoo is more popular than Obama among American Jews. Gosh, what a great thing for “The Jewish Press” to say!

    • Kay24
      March 4, 2015, 3:27 am

      How delusional can you be? 55 congresspeople did not turn up, the VP did not turn up, the President refused to see him, and even those who turned up in Congress, like Pelosi and Diane Feinstein criticized him. I don’t know if you can count, but there alone some of his ardent supporters rejected him. He did something terribly wrong by coming here to spew his war mongering, and show disrespect for the US President, lecturing him, and inserting himself into our foreign policies. What a ridiculous bubble zionists live in.

    • Shingo
      March 4, 2015, 4:02 am

      No amount of denial can refute the fact that the American people like Netanyahu more than ever so he must be doing something right.

      Wow, what a credible link you have there. How is it then that 61% disagree with Bibbi and rejected his speech?

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2015, 4:28 am

        If they love Bibi why did they vote Obama in 2012 ?
        Adelson is wasting his money.

  30. MRW
    March 3, 2015, 4:18 pm

    So every time a congressman jumped up it was another Kaching! and clacking of the congressional cash register keys.

    Calling Katie Miranda.

    • Rusty Pipes
      March 3, 2015, 9:27 pm

      What we really need is a youtube video with the soundtrack of a child’s jack-in the box playing “Pop Goes the Weasel.” In between the applause lines, basic facts about American funding for Israel and Israel Lobby funding for congressional campaigns. That’s the way the money goes … pop goes the congresscritter.

  31. sulai
    March 3, 2015, 4:22 pm

    Switch the words “Iran” with “Israel” throughout Nut&Yahoo’s whole speech and you will see what Netanyahu is a master at, and that is Orwellian statements, the exact inverse of truth. Some call it Machiavellian accusation, where you take your most vulnerable and damaging traits and project them proactively on your targets.
    It’s hard to even remember what he said since he is literally just unloading a checklist of the 14 years of propaganda he’s waged against Iran.
    But, it can be summarized as so:
    “Iran stole my lunch money.” “My wife likes Iran more than me.” “Iranians get all of the attention, it’s not fair.” “I’m balding…….. Iran.” “Iran trolls me on Twitter.”
    “Iran said they are going to export their revolution.” Yes, that’s true.
    It’s happening right now. Iran is exporting their politically ANTI-ZIONIST revolutionary ideals to the rest of the world by awakening them from your global crimes and tyranny via international finance and everything that goes under it.
    What scares you and other crackpots the most is that Iran is going to give the Americans what they need to complete their own American Revolution their Christian way AGAINST YOUR FOUNDERS, the Rothschild Cartel.
    Iran has one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. You are trying to cause a mass murder against the progeny of the Magi that were the first to visit and anoint Jesus Christ.
    Iran has THE oldest Judean community in the world by 2,500 years (no comparison). Israel always seems to be the world’s problem and can’t co-exist with anyone who is not “Chosen”. Iran is responsible for rebuilding the Second Temple upon which Jesus delivered his sermon. Iran is responsible for saving the real ancient Hebrews from extinction in Babylonian captivity.
    In even your stolen Hebrew Lore, Iran’s founder, Cyrus the Great, is regarded as the only Gentile Messiah. And you seek to kill his descendants on lies.
    The “Chosen” ideology == the Nazi’s supposed “Superior Race” ideology.
    Iran was the crossroads of civilization not once, but twice, during history. No one can argue away the fact that Iran, in fact, despite your corruption of Western education and curriculum, is one of the most influential and old civilizations of all time.
    You are trying to compare your 66 year history of genocide to Iran’s 7,000 year rich history of worldly accomplishments, including the progenitorship of FOUR of the world’s major religions (the Judean/Hebrew religion, Christianity itself (3 Magi), Hinduism, and Buddhism). Many of those accomplishments, you have stolen.
    You have tricked people into thinking you have anything to do with the Middle East, now or in the past — ever. You have tricked people into thinking you are even related to the Hebrews of the Bible when you are wholly not.
    Iran is prepared to be the bridge to freedom even if it means facing down you devils to the final, bitter end.
    You claim Iran’s ideals are different than American’s, but Thomas Jefferson and James Madison cited Iran’s history of being the first creators of human rights as the source codex for the American Bill of Rights. A bill of rights you and your cronies have worked to destroy from within America.
    By engaging with Israel, America has earned itself a police state. America has earned itself endless wars without reward. America has earned itself utter corruption where Americans can’t even recognize a foreign interest is dictating them to destructive ends like chumps. America has earned itself a surveillance state. America has earned itself false flags and the opportunity to spill blood endlessly for you while you continue to donate ZERO TROOPS to the same cause.
    I stand with ‪#‎America‬ and I stand with ‪#‎Iran‬. Palestine must be returned to its 1947 borders.
    “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, [*bringing his fist down on the table*] I WILL ROUT YOU OUT!”
    -President Andrew Jackson addressing this very same Rothschild Dynasty that now has an HQ in Israel since 1948. [From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan V. Henkels]
    Nikademus Lawman

  32. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 4:23 pm
    “Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a liberal Illinois Democrat, suggested Netanyahu’s credibility is suspect because he also backed the 2003 war in Iraq.
    “What I heard today felt to me like an effort to stampede the United States into war once again,” she said.
    Another Democrat compared Netanyahu to George W. Bush’s former vice president. “This speech was straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook,” said Kentucky Rep. John Yarmuth. “It was fear-mongering at its ultimate.”
    Yarmuth also said that Netanyahu’s requests were akin to those of a small child looking to visit an amusement park.

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu basically said that the only acceptable deal was a perfect deal, or an ideal deal,” Yarmuth said. “It’s like the child that says, I want to go to Disneyland every day, eat ice cream and drink Coca-Cola every day, and not go to school.””

    • amigo
      March 3, 2015, 4:46 pm

      A perfect deal is one where nobody leaves the table smiling.

      Netanyahu want,s to be grinning from cheek to cheek but he knows that cannot happen, which is exactly how he wants it be.He wants Americans to shed their blood to save Israeli , (Jewish blood) so Israel can continue it,s colonialist enterprise and all his bs about loving America is pure fakery.When will dick and jane see through this megalomaniac.

  33. Pixel
    March 3, 2015, 4:33 pm

    Grant ‏@GrantBrooke
    9:19 AM – 3 Mar 2015

    Bibi is upset that Iran controls 4 capitals Baghdad, Damascus, Beirut, Sanaa and he only controls 1, Washington.


  34. joemowrey
    March 3, 2015, 4:35 pm

    And why, exactly, are we quoting Pelosi as if she is some sort of defender of truth and justice? She is rabidly pro-Zionist; one grandstanding sound bite doesn’t change that. The same could be said of pretty much all those in Congress who didn’t attend the speech. None of their Kabuki theater outrage being expressed concerning Bibi’s deranged blathering changes anything. It’s hypocritical posturing of the most despicable kind.

    Pelosi, a war profiteer and corporate shill, was “saddened by the insult to the intelligence of the United States.” In fact, we should all be saddened by the insult to our collective intelligence which is demonstrated by the behavior of each of these bozos we call “leaders.”

    • Ellen
      March 3, 2015, 5:08 pm

      Joe, Bibi Nuttyyahoo was right. Americans (politicians) can be pushed in any direction. Push them and they will do what money and pressure wills. They are not leaders, but puppets of the few. And they need those few to keep their jobs. That is our system.

      When the financial interests shift away from the Israeli colonial project, our “leaders” will follow. There will no longer be money in that gig. That is slowly, ever so slowly, happening. And it is that — not the idea of a nuclear Iran — that freaks Nuttyyahoo out.

      Normalized relations with Iran bring the real possibility of much more stability in the Middle East. Iran may well emerge as the partner over the next 50 years. Everyone knows this. Only the Israelis and Saudis are freaked by this prospect.

  35. Taxi
    March 3, 2015, 4:50 pm

    Broadcast Networks Don’t Carry Israeli Prime Minister’s Address to Congress:

  36. straightline
    March 3, 2015, 5:11 pm

    I didn’t see the speech but Nuttyahoo was quoted as saying that “ISIS and Iran compete for militant Islam crown”. Aren’t the US, and incidentally my home country of Australia, fighting ISIS? Aren’t these the people whose grisly videos of beheadings are shown on prime time TV as evidence of their ultimately evil intent? Aren’t these the people my prime minister, Tony Abbott is warning us to be very afraid of, so as to be able to increase the level of surveillance of the Australian public in the name of national security?

    Surely some Americans will start to wonder about its ally in the Middle East at this point. Is it with us or against us?

  37. Brown-Eyed Girl
    March 3, 2015, 5:24 pm

    Maybe ISIS should hire Netanyahu’s PR people. Just a thought…..

  38. W.Jones
    March 3, 2015, 5:51 pm

    Charlie Rangel changes course, attends Netanyahu speech
    New York Daily News
    Charles Rangel (D-NY) until Tuesday morning had been strongly opposed to Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech

    So, you think you get a say in whether you go to Netanyahu’s speech, Mr. Rangel? I think not.

    • Kay24
      March 4, 2015, 1:50 am

      I saw Rangel joining in the adoration, and I was very surprised. Rangel is up to his ears in legal trouble, and most probably THE Lobby is helping him out of that one. I suspect this is how they operate, and Menendez got that same help when he was facing accusations.
      Rangel is a disgrace to his State.

      Here are some New Yorkers, thousands of them, protesting Bibi’s speech, and one sign saying “we don’t need a Bibi Sitter”, good one.

  39. Pixel
    March 3, 2015, 6:15 pm

    It’s odd but I felt a small (nano-size) degree of sorrow for Bibi as he was talking today. His brother and his father came to mind.

    I’ve always felt that Bibi’s been desperately striving to prove himself — to fulfill his father’s Zionist dreams while, at the same time, striving to fill his “martyred” brother’s shoes. (Maybe he even hoped to one-up Yonatan, as brothers do.)

    In any event, Bibi has done the exact opposite.

    Almost single-handedly, he has brought his father’s Zionist dreams and his brother’s “sacrifice” to ruin.

    I think this day, including everything surrounding it, may prove to be seminal in Zionist history.

    • a blah chick
      March 3, 2015, 9:37 pm

      I heard that Yonatan was the one his father was grooming for politics. But after he was killed Bibi was called home and told take take up the mantle. Think of the Kennedys crossed bred with the Asad family.

  40. MRW
    March 3, 2015, 7:01 pm

    Can anyone identify the congressmen fawning over Netanyahu in this NYT editorial photo?

    We need a photo with arrows to names.

    • talknic
      March 5, 2015, 9:25 am

      @ MRW
      “Can anyone identify the congressmen fawning over Netanyahu in this NYT editorial photo?”

      Not who unfortunately. What is fairly simple tho

  41. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 9:28 pm

    Ed Luce in the FT – great title BTW

    “Bibi’s misleading Congress clapometer”

    “If you measure Benjamin Netanyahu’s performance by the applause, his speech to the US Congress hit the mark. Judged by its outcome, Bibi’s audacity may look very different in hindsight. The Israeli prime minister’s address, which broke precedent on how to treat a senior ally, marked a nadir in his already terrible relations with President Barack Obama. Mr Netanyahu was clearly looking to 2017 when Mr Obama steps down. He was also hoping to boost his own re-election prospects later this month. But his speech paid little heed to longer-term concerns about Israel’s waning clout in Washington DC.
    No lobby group can match the reputation of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee. Yet Aipac’s influence has declined since Mr Netanyahu regained his job in 2009. To judge by the absence of more than 50 Democratic lawmakers on Tuesday, the speech is unlikely to reverse that. One measure of Aipac’s clout is the number of US lawmakers who attend its annual conference, which Mr Netanyahu addressed on Monday. On some issues, such as opposition to Palestinian statehood, it can garner the signatures of three quarters of Congress within 48 hours.

    But Aipac’s recent batting average is far less impressive. Mr Netanyahu’s speech, which called for Congress to enact a fresh layer of sanctions that would sabotage Mr Obama’s Iran nuclear talks, offers a clear test of Aipac’s influence. The group has been lobbying for the sanctions bill for more than a year. Mr Obama and John Kerry, secretary of state, have so far persuaded Congress to hold off until the outcome of the Iran talks is known. The final deadline is June. Following Mr Netanyahu’s speech, Congress looks less likely to pull the plug than before.

    Jewish voters ignored Mr Netanyahu’s support for Mitt Romney in 2012’s presidential election. 70% voted for Mr Obama.

    But in most cases Aipac’s view prevailed. That is no longer a given. Big majorities of US public opinion support Mr Obama’s efforts to reach a deal with Iran. Large majorities also oppose new Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. US Jewish voters ignored Mr Netanyahu’s support for Mitt Romney in 2012’s presidential election.

    Jewish Americans have as complex reasons for their votes as anyone else. But Mr Obama appears to have a better grasp of their mood than Mr Netanyahu.”

  42. talknic
    March 3, 2015, 9:52 pm

    Say …. did Nancy applaud?

  43. Kay24
    March 3, 2015, 11:27 pm

    Overall, I think Bibi bombed in Congress. Apart from Ari Fleitcher and other rabid zionists, who supported what he said, the MSM this time seem to be critical of Bibi. The NYT OP-Ed also was not impressed with his speech. I was surprised that Nancy Pelosi spoke out against his speech, and this article from the Maddow blog (MSNBC) also ridicules Bibi’s speech:

    “Postscript: At one point, the prime minister said, “I can only urge the leaders of the world not to repeat the mistakes of the past.” This isn’t what Netanyahu meant, one of the mistakes of our recent past was listening to him when he said invading Iraq was a great idea. If we’re going to avoid repeating mistakes, maybe we can start here.”

    Good point.

  44. RoHa
    March 4, 2015, 4:36 am

    I like Obama’s response.

    “Didn’t see it. I was too busy talking to the leaders of important countries, countries which are real allies, and which really do share our best values.”

    (RoHa’s interpretation. Not Obama’s actual words.)

  45. eGuard
    March 4, 2015, 8:58 am

    Not even Jon Stewart could make a joke out of the obvious: Bibi tries to break the deal at all costs, to force the US into a war for Israel.

  46. CigarGod
    March 4, 2015, 9:04 am

    In my absurd little Wyoming Tea Party town of under 2000 people, 11 churches, 12 bars, and hate talk radio and cable….the parrots, chickens and cowboys, are all wild-eyed and red-faced. They squakingly repeat Bibi’s speech to each other…as if it is their speech…as if Bibi had just spoken their words. They mix in their racist anti-Obama hysteria…and the dams that have been holding back their most toxic verbal chemicals, break and wash over each other…as they try to top each with the violence they would inflict on the man…if they only could. A tall Jew in a Bukaran kippa…which to them looks more of muslim origin…walks among this mob…a big smile on his face…and asks: What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

    • Taxi
      March 4, 2015, 10:48 am

      Hey tall and kippa-handsome,

      “11 churches, 12 bars.”

      Looks like Bacchus is more popular than Jesus.

      • CigarGod
        March 4, 2015, 12:07 pm

        Hey Taxi,
        I’m not keeping track of my beers, and they probably aren’t keeping track of their Hail Mary’s…but i think the visage i sometimes see in my bubbles trumps the one they see in their toast.

      • Taxi
        March 4, 2015, 1:53 pm

        Unless their toast was ergot on rhye.

        Pumpernickel vision is king! Just ask the Salem witches.

  47. amigo
    March 4, 2015, 10:05 am

    Interesting article from an Iranian perspective in the NYT.

    A sample!!.

    “During the quarter-century that Mr. Netanyahu and his allies have tried to keep Iran’s nuclear program at the forefront of the global agenda, they increased the number of illegal settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem to more than 750,000 from about 300,000. At the same time, Palestinians have continued to be evicted from their homes and land. This historic wrong, coupled with the blockade of Gaza, is the real ticking bomb in the Middle East. The whole world should work to defuse it by rising above petty politics and the lobbying of narrow-minded pressure groups.”.Gholamali Khoshroo. ( Iran’s ambassador to the United Nations).

    What,s really interesting , is that they printed it.Watch for the zionists and their slavish supporters accuse the NYT of being run by Anti semites and Israel haters.

    • seafoid
      March 4, 2015, 10:30 am

      Haaretz on message with the Iranians

      “”All things considered, today’s Haaretz Editorial takes Netanyahu to task for failing to mention the one thing that endangers Israel’s ability to survive as a Jewish and democratic state: the unending occupation of the territories.”

      • amigo
        March 4, 2015, 11:07 am

        Seafoid , I read that very honest report.Haaretz is beginning to look vaguely like the old Haaretz before it was hi jacked by the usual suspects.

        Aloof -Benn and co.

        Ireland for the Grand slam.

      • eljay
        March 4, 2015, 12:14 pm

        || Haaretz: “All things considered, today’s Haaretz Editorial takes Netanyahu to task for failing to mention the one thing that endangers Israel’s ability to survive as a Jewish and democratic state: the unending occupation of the territories.” ||

        Haaretz Editorial

        … All of them are ignoring the real existential threat to Israel and its ability to survive as a “Jewish and democratic state”: the unending occupation of the territories. … Israel is mortgaging its national resources to maintain a dual regime of democracy for Jews and apartheid for Palestinians.

        The editorial is blatantly Zio-supremacist: The occupation doesn’t undermine Israel’s ability to exist as a democracy of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally – it undermines Israel’s ability to exist as a “democracy for Jews” and a “Jewish State”.

      • Kay24
        March 4, 2015, 11:14 pm

        Funny, but that horrible situation seems to not be in the minds of most pro Israelis, including the congress. They applauded a man who has refused to cooperate with peace talks, talks of no peace in the future, has been accused of war crimes last year during the massacre of civilians in Gaza, mostly women and children, has used banned weapons during that onslaught, and keeps thumbing his nose at the entire world, including the US, as he builds more and more illegal settlements…if one stood in congress and rattled off the dirty laundry list, it would be worse than Irans.

  48. atime forpeace
    March 4, 2015, 10:57 am

    Israel must investigate civilian killings in Gaza war – U.N. envoy

  49. Daniel Rich
    March 4, 2015, 1:24 pm

    Levin: Netanyahu ‘Is a Leader…Obama Is A Community Activist’.

    Time to follow your leader ‘home‘ then, I’d say, Mr. Leaving Levin…

  50. W.Jones
    March 5, 2015, 5:15 am
    Tears of joy, Nancy, tears of joy.

    I feel bad for her. She is being forced to clap for something she disagrees with, and she is the House Minority leader, so theoretically, she has the legal right to stop it.

    • talknic
      March 5, 2015, 5:28 pm

      “no deal is better than a bad deal” If you’re a Palestinian it becomes ‘accept a bad deal or get an even worse deal’

  51. RepresentativePress
    March 5, 2015, 10:39 pm

    Obama’s comments highlight how is is also part of the problem. Obama said this about Netanyahu’s speech: “He also pointed out the fact that Iran has repeatedly threatened Israel and engaged in the most venomous of anti-Semitic statements, and no one can dispute that.”

    Could someone tell me what in the world Obama is talking about? Both the part where he claimed Iran supposedly “repeatedly threatened Israel” and the part “engaged in the most venomous of anti-Semitic statements.”

    Obama instructed that “no one can dispute that” and it looks like the obedient press made sure to follow that instruction.

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