Netanyahu’s speech and the American Jewish condition

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The scandal over the Netanyahu speech to Congress is in the end a story about the Jewish condition in the United States.

Netanyahu is coming here to tell the Congress to torpedo the efforts of the U.S. president to cut a deal with Iran. He does so because he seems to believe that Iran poses an existential threat to Israel. His actual and implicit messaging links the Iranians to the Holocaust and to Hitler. Whether or not he is working the matter to get another term, or to maintain Israel’s regional hegemony, there can be little question that many Jews share this belief. They say that Iran is determined to destroy Israel and so the charge “Never again” means, we must destroy Iran’s nuclear capability by any means and isolate the society generally. Just as Iraq which attacked Israel was also linked to Hitler by various Israel supporters 12 years ago.

That analogy proved absurd, and the Iranian/Holocaust analogy is also illogical. James Fallows has done the best job of exploding the “existential threat” claim, and many realists have said that a nuclear Iran could be contained. But my interest here is Jewish consciousness, and again– many Jews believe this. For as Roger Cohen, Alice Rothchild and Gershom Gorenberg have said in recent weeks, Jews are post-traumatic. A group doesn’t see half its population wiped out in Europe in a genocide without deep scarring. I’ve heard about Jews who keep a bag packed under their bed because they think we could be rounded up. My old editor used to ask me if my wife’s family would hide me. I don’t have the would-they-hide-you gene, but many Jews do. And Jewish politics are more temperamental than anything else. How far out you are on the paranoia curve determines whether you are a full-on neoconservative or just a garden-variety liberal Zionist, and the two categories blur.

It is my belief that much of the Jewish establishment’s view of the world is a trauma-induced delusion. Because we don’t need to be hidden. Others do, including many Palestinians from Jews. The actual Jewish condition in Israel is: they are occupiers. The abused has become the abuser, as the recovery movement explains. But still: the fear is there.

And the fear blinds Jews to our power, in Israel and the United States. It is hard for Jews to think of ourselves as powerful because of a historical and collective memory of persecution. Yet the world regards us as powerful. It sees the Jewish state as a nuclear armed country with a huge army, and it sees Jews as an elite in the United States with a ton of clout. “Why is the American Jewish community so determined to convince itself that we are living in 1938?” the late Tony Judt asked nine years ago. “Why does the most successful, the most well integrated, the most culturally and politically influential, the most socially and economically well situated Jewish community since the late years of the Roman republic, why is it so worried about the demon of anti-Semitism?”

We are as I like to remind readers the wealthiest American group by religion and we took over many establishment perches in the last generation. We are three of the four Democratic appointees to the Supreme Court, and whenever I turn on the news, I see influential Jews. Andrea Mitchell the wife of Alan Greenspan interviews Kenneth Pollack, Matt Lauer interviews Lorne Michaels. Last night I watched a panel on CSPAN about the Charlie Hebdo murders at the French-American Foundation and it appeared that all four speakers were Jewish.

Peter Beinart is one of the few writers who is honest about Jewish power: “the extraordinary acceptance and privilege afforded to Jews in late 20th century America.” In Haaretz he recently itemized our editorial control of publications: “Jews edit The New York Review of Books, The New Yorker, The Weekly Standard, The Atlantic, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Vox, Buzzfeed, Politico, and the opinion pages of The New York Times and Washington Post.”

Every Jew of my and my parents’ generation is aware of our incredible advance into the establishment and is embarrassed about it or will tell you that it doesn’t matter or that America is all about the rich anyway and there are tons of other rich people, religion has nothing to do with it. I think they are all rationalizing the fact of our power because it is extremely uncomfortable for us. We know that our societies are broad ones, and that the rise of Jewish professions in eastern European cities played a part in the rise of anti-Semitism. Explaining why we must leave Europe, Theodor Herzl said that Jews were the “intellectual proletariat,” hanging around the stock markets and stirring resentment, and he held up a map of Vienna showing the extent of Jewish real estate holdings.

In 1923, Kafka wrote that anti-Semitism rose in response to Jewish achievement:

“From early on [Jews] have forced upon Germany things that she might have arrived at slowly and in her own way, but which she was opposed to because they stemmed from strangers. What a terribly barren preoccupation anti-Semitism is, everything that goes with it, and Germany owes that to her Jews.”

Two of Kafka’s sisters died in the Holocaust. That’s another reason we don’t talk openly about our power, we know how this conversation turned out the last time. Beinart writes for Haaretz, but you are simply not allowed to address the issue in polite mainstream conversation here. Chris Matthews who often trumpets Catholic guests’ ethnicity — Ted Wells was a “Holy Cross man”– won’t go near Jewish ethnicity. Well, yes, his company Comcast is owned and run by Jews, and pro-Israel Jews at that. But there is a general feeling that there is only one way such an observation leads, to anti-semitism.

The problem with that restriction is that it curtails an analysis of why Netanyahu has the platform he does. No one can speak plainly about the role of the Israel lobby. Yes, the speech is doing something to end this ban, but still, look at the absurdity of the situation. The leader of a tiny country has the ear of both houses of Congress to urge the U.S. to go to war, in defiance of our president. Robert Kagan says that it has never happened before and that the speech will now open the floodgates to other foreign leaders to champion their foreign policy. Horse feathers. The Congress is hearing him because of the role of the lobby in our politics.

Now I concede that some of the blind affiliation with Israel is based on political strains that have nothing to do with what Martin Indyk calls “the Jewish lobby.” Christian Zionists care a lot about Israel; they surely have some influence in the Republican party outside Sheldon Adelson. John McCain and Lindsey Graham don’t need to be bought to be hawks. There is a deepseated historical attachment to Israel in the American establishment because Israel’s creation is viewed as the answer to an important question: how does the west respond to the Holocaust? Past American leaders felt guilty (rightly or wrongly) about our role in the Holocaust, and today those leaders feel committed. People like Chris Matthews surely see some justice in Israel’s creation because of the destruction of European Jewry and the U.S. indifference to Jews fleeing eastern Europe in the 1930s. They don’t want to revisit that great historical moment any more than they want to revisit Roe v Wade. It was decided after a lot of discussion. Let’s move on.

But those supports for Israel only go so far. That is why we have seen such anguish in recent weeks on the part of American Zionists who fear that the question of Israel support will become politicized. From J Street to Martin Indyk to Robert Kagan to AIPAC to Jeffrey Goldberg to William Saletan to Abe Foxman, they don’t want the matter opened up to political debate. Israel supporters like to say that the American people love Israel, but they don’t really believe that. After all, they are Zionists because they believe that Jews are not completely safe in the west. They didn’t trust the goyim when they established Israel, and they don’t trust them now. The strategy has always been to hold the political elites. AIPAC’s entire game is to discover promising politicians when they are young and buy them early and often—and knock out the politicians who don’t support Israel.

The difficulty in discussing the lobby is that it involves a theory of Jewish influence. But I don’t know that reality leaves us a choice. If it weren’t for Jewish power inside the establishment, the entire Democratic Party would proudly boycott the Netanyahu speech as an insult to the president. But they won’t do that: many Democratic leaders will dis their own president to go listen to Netanyahu push for war. They will do so because of the role of (rightwing) Jewish money in the political process and the Jewish presence in the political/journalistic establishment. They will do it because Haim Saban, who gets along fine with Sheldon Adelson, who wants to nuke Iran, has given untold millions to Hillary Clinton and he gave millions to Obama before that. The Democrats do not want to cross Saban. Or Chuck Schumer who has called himself the guardian of Israel in Hebrew. Or Debbie Wasserman Schultz the chairperson of the Democratic Party who said that Jews shouldn’t intermarry and MSNBC shouldn’t show pictures of the carnage in Gaza.

There is not an American national interest in supporting Israel right or wrong, not since the Cold War ended. If there were, you would see American national interest types from James Baker to Chuck Hagel to John Mearsheimer defending the occupation. The opposite is the case; they have all made personal sacrifices to oppose it. Israel does nothing to protect US access to oil and does nothing to help out in the US imperialist wars across the Middle East, except to foment them for its own security interests in the first place. Its occupation of Palestinian territories and slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza in ’08-’09 and again last summer have hurt the American reputation around the world and fostered terrorism, as John Kerry has even tried to tell us. David Petraeus learned about the occupation of Jerusalem when he was going into houses in Iraq. The people there were angry about it. Osama bin Laden and his airmen were angry about it too. And the State Department under George Marshall, the definition of a national interest type, predicted all this when they said that if the U.S. recognized Israel there would be endless strife in the region. The endless strife is there. A good deal of it is surely due to the Zionist project.

The lobby helped force Truman’s hand in ’47 and ’48 when he was opposed to the idea of a religious state, and it made Obama eat his words when he came into office declaring that the settlements must end. Kennedy and Nixon’s efforts to institute the right of return of refugees were nullified, and LBJ shut up about the attack on the USS Liberty and the Israeli nuclear program. The U.S. has done nothing to relieve the occupation; and historic overtures by the PLO and the Arab League have been shut down– just as the lobby struggles today to shut down the opening to Iran. A post-traumatic community operates out of fear. When American students try and divest just from corporations doing business with the occupation, leading American Jews and Jewish organizations say they are anti-semitic, and that Jews feel “attacked” by such measures; and when schools try and hire pro-Palestinian professors, major donors threaten to withdraw their gifts to the school. So the divestment resolution goes down and Steven Salaita gets fired. Tom Friedman has said that the Congress is bought and paid for by the Israel lobby and was widely savaged for saying that much, but Israeli writers are far blunter about the lobby’s clout. In recent months, two writers for Haaretz (Anshel Pfeffer and Yossi Sarid) have written columns saying that American Jewish influence peddlers conduct themselves like the anti-semitic caricature of Jews in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion—they buy politicians openly. (Gilad Atzmon then said, this proves that “American Jews do control the world.” So that is the problem with even discussing this; anti-Semites will have a field day.)

The lobby is a manifestation of the modern Jewish condition, our presence in the U.S. establishment. Jews have long been embarrassed by our high status, because we know that it fosters resentment. In fact, the Jewish proclivity for Communism and Zionism can be seen as forms of Jewish dispensation from an elite condition. And still that condition adheres. I am sufficiently embarrassed about it myself that I didn’t talk about it for years.

The great news about the Netanyahu speech is that it brings the classic era of the lobby to an end. When have Democrats spoken openly about “boycotting” an Israeli leader? When has the White House so openly criticized the Israelis day after day? When has a White House official blamed the Israelis for pushing the Iraq war? The seals have been broken.

The lobby’s power is waning because people are sick of it. It is the ancien regime and it has gone on too long, since 1967 or 1973. It grew in power till it affected presidential elections significantly from 1992 forward to 2012. Walt and Mearsheimer’s landmark paper of 2006 did for the Iraq braintrust what Halberstam’s Best and the Brightest did for the Vietnam one; it instructed America to pivot. It’s taken ten years, but you are likely to see Democratic congresspeople running against the occupation in the next election (mark my word).

Its power is waning because the era of the Jewish establishment is giving way to a diverse establishment. It turns out that Jewish establishment behavior can be just as nauseating as that of the Rockefeller establishment in its day. Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin’s racist Hollywood emails about Obama are embarrassing and a reflection on Jewish power culture; and I don’t know if you’ve noticed but every night on National Public Radio hosts of color, Audie Cornish and Arun Rath, promote diversity in the elite, and they are winning, and we’re all better for it.

The lobby’s power is waning because the post-traumatic period is coming to an end and Jews are no longer monolithic on Israel. Ideas of Jewish nationalism and separation are as discredited by the Israeli experiment as Communism was by the Soviet one. Young Jews are bridling, David Remnick is bridling, Benjamin Wittes is bridling. David Rothkopf is bridling. We are going to see a jailbreak from the idea of the necessity of a Jewish state inside the establishment, and Netanyahu has fostered that, god bless him.

Who are we and what is our role in the world in 2015? We were a ghettoized elite in western societies, subject to the worst forms of persecution in Europe. Now out of trauma we are licensing some of the most glaring forms of persecution in the the world.

Norman Finkelstein’s mother, who survived the Nazi concentration camps, told him that the lesson of the Holocaust was that this should happen to no people. Her experience was a human experience, and its lessons must be extended to all humans. And today there is only one test of Jewish social and political values: Where do you stand on Palestinian human rights? The Palestinians are the people whom our collective helped to dispossess, slaughter and put behind checkpoints out of an inevitable but in the end self-involved concern with our own history. We victimized them because of our own victimization, and the test of our future is when we come to recognize this responsibility and how we act on it. Many Jews will rise to that challenge. Just wait and see.

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  1. alfa
    March 1, 2015, 2:27 pm

    “And today there is only one test of Jewish social and political values: Where do you stand on Palestinian human rights? The Palestinians are the people whom our collective helped to dispossess, slaughter and put behind checkpoints out of a logical but in the end self-involved concern with our own history. We victimized them because of our own victimization, and the test of our future is when we come to recognize this responsibility and how we act on it. Many Jews will rise to that challenge. Just wait and see. ”

    Excellent quote!

    • Krauss
      March 2, 2015, 1:37 am

      I can’t even pull out a quote because all I read is brilliance.

      I’ve stated for a long time now that Phil must write a book on this topic. I know of nobody who is more deeply knowledgeable about the intersection of Jewish culture/politics and the unending support for Israel in the U.S.

      Most people who write about this are either people are bending-over backwards to the Jewish community(often because they are either fearful or themselves overly attached Jews) or it is people who are genuinely hostile to Jews regardless of what Jews do and don’t do and are motivated by real racial anti-Jewish animus.

      That’s why Phil’s perspective is so important. He obviously cares about Jewish life in America, but he is also obviously a person of conscience. A person of conscience who can tell when a community – his community – has lost its touch with the ability to understand the oppressed. To understand them through the community’s own history of oppression rather than simply justifying more domination by invoking the Shoah and the tragic moral consequences of that.

      In short, Phil isn’t out to get the Jews like an anti-Semite nor is he out to protect Jews for its own sake. He is motivated, at least the way it looks from my standpoint, of healing both the victims of Jewish oppression, the Palestinians, but also healing the moral compass of his own community.

      I am in awe of this human being.

      • ziusudra
        March 2, 2015, 11:24 am

        Greetings Phil Weiss,
        Your comments on this topic are deeply, deeply Menschlich for all of us.
        ziusudra
        PS at 74, i always thank my Greek maternal Grandparents for ne’er having passed on the learned hate of the Turkish 400 year conquest of Greece.
        I know the history, but ‘m able to read about the era with a constructive, subjective view. My Mother nor her siblings ever heard a word about it.
        One mo’ once, Phil. This is one of your finest.

    • steven l
      March 2, 2015, 1:19 pm

      I wonder what kind of Kool-Aid you ingest?
      In the past 65 years, the only counter-offer from the opposite side has been NO, NO and NO.
      Can you cite one offer of true peace as a starting point for discussion from the Palestinian side?
      In math, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. In politics 1NO +1 NO +1NO = 1NO.
      European antisemitism is compounded with Islamic antisemitism and is spreading to the USA faster than U think.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 9:05 pm

        “Can you cite one offer of true peace as a starting point for discussion from the Palestinian side?”

        How about Israel gets back behind its own declared borders and gives back the land it has stolen, or at least offers to pay for it. That would be a start, don’t you think?

      • eljay
        March 2, 2015, 9:20 pm

        || steven l: I wonder what kind of Kool-Aid you ingest? … Can you cite one offer of true peace as a starting point for discussion from the Palestinian side? ||

        You know a guy is hard-core Zio-supremacist when:
        – he talks about “peace” instead of justice, accountability and equality; and
        – he puts the onus on the oppressed and dispossessed Palestinians rather than on the Israeli oppressors, occupiers and colonizers.

        It’s like insisting that the rapist’s victim is responsible for “true peace” even as the rapist continues to keep her captive and to brutalize her.

      • talknic
        March 3, 2015, 1:27 am

        @ steven l “In the past 65 years, the only counter-offer from the opposite side has been NO, NO and NO”

        Uh huh http://wp.me/pDB7k-18N

        I guess you’ve never read the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty? Israel agreed to withdraw from all territories sovereign to Egypt after which peaceful relations were assumed. Jordan similar. Withdraw from other folk’s territory and bingo … peace! Seems quite logical and simple. No negotiations, simply get out of other folks territory

        Israel has yet to withdraw as required by UNSC res 242 and subsequent UNSC resolutions, showing BTW that 242 means ALL the territories occupied in ’67 including Jerusalem BTW

        1) No talks. Why should anyone talk to a state in breach of its own borders and of International Law? It Isn’t illegal to not talk to a thieving neighbour.

        It is illegal to acquire territory by war. It is illegal to unilaterally annex. It is illegal to settle ones citizens in territories one occupies. It is illegal to forbid your own citizens return to their country

        2) No Negotiations. The Egyptians didn’t negotiate anything except how Israel would withdraw. Negotiations only mean the thief wants some of what they have stolen. It isn’t illegal to refuse to negotiate with a thieving neighbour so they can keep what they’ve stolen.

        It is illegal to acquire territory by war. It is illegal to unilaterally annex. It is illegal to settle ones citizens in territories one occupies. It is illegal to forbid your own citizens return to their country

        3) No recognition. There is no legal obligation on any state to recognize any other state. In fact there are UN Member states who do not recognize each other. It isn’t illegal to not recognize a state, even if it ‘s Israel.

        It is illegal to acquire territory by war. It is illegal to unilaterally annex. It is illegal to settle ones citizens in territories one occupies. It is illegal to forbid your own citizens return to their country

        “Can you cite one offer of true peace as a starting point for discussion from the Palestinian side?”

        Hundreds saying in effect ‘get out of non-Israeli territory’ Then there’s Abbas at the UN in front of the world, twice offering 78% of the Palestinians rightful territories for peace with Israel.

        Israel’s reply was to build more illegal settlements. Israel has offered only to swap non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so Israel can keep non- Israeli territory.

        There is no legal, moral, ethical, logical, in fact there’s no valid reason at all why anyone should negotiate away what they have a right to under the law, so Israel can keep what it is NOT legally entitled to under the law and to save Israel from the consequences of the law by for creating 67yrs of illegal ‘facts on the ground’

        “European antisemitism is compounded with Islamic antisemitism and is spreading to the USA faster than U think”

        WOW!! Been any cries for evacuation. Homeless because entire neighbourhoods have been bombed?

        Say why don’t you go kvetch to the Zionist Federation for demanding a separate state instead of accepting a deal where Jews could legally immigrate and achieve citizenship and buy land and settle anywhere in the Jewish People’s Historical Homeland http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp#art7 Talk about missed opportunities. The Zionist Federation and the Jewish Agency have screwed every opportunity for Jewish folk. http://wp.me/pDB7k-pE

      • Daniel Rich
        March 3, 2015, 4:03 am

        @ Steven,

        Are you the guy that makes those sinister phone calls to elderly Palestinians in the dead of night?

    • kalithea
      March 2, 2015, 2:53 pm

      “reins”

  2. pabelmont
    March 1, 2015, 2:47 pm

    ” two writers for Haaretz (Anshel Pfeffer and Yossi Sarid) have written columns saying that American Jewish influence peddlers conduct themselves like the anti-semitic caricature of Jews in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion—they buy politicians openly. (Gilad Atzmon then said, this proves that “American Jews do control the world.” So that is the problem with even discussing this; anti-Semites will have a field day.) ”

    So — there is a caricature and there is the truth. And because the caricature is regarded (rightly or wrongly) as having fostered antisemitism in the 1930s-1940s, the truth may not be uttered today? If a very-very-very few very-very-very rich Jews control (much of) the world, why not say so? Especially if you say so that way (that is, use the “very-very-very few” language)! If these bozos run all those publications, why not say so? And if all those publications are stalwarts of brutal versions of Zionism (but, caution: is there any other kind? was there ever?), why not say so?

    Or, better, we might ask (keeping the word “Jew” sacrosanct by declining to utter it out loud): if a very-very-very few very-very-very rich stalwarts of brutal Zionism control (much of) the world, why not say so? Especially if you say so that way! If these bozos run all those publications, why not say so?

    And, however anyone says it, why not oppose them? If you oppose brutal versions of Zionism in your heart, why not oppose them in practice?

    But make sure always to make it clear that the evils of Zionism are not evils intrinsic to the Jewish condition, whatever many Jews may say. Give every Jew (and everyone else!) the opportunity to discover his inner anti-Zionist.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      March 2, 2015, 1:07 pm

      Well said. Obviously, broad statements like ”Jews control the media” are silly, not neccessarily because they’re ‘antisemitic’ – whatever the hell that means these days – but because they are an over-simplification and exaggeration.

      However, it is a fact that a small number of Jews do have huge influence over certain aspects of politics and media in the US. That seems to me indisputable. That doesn’t mean that your average American Jew is powerful, or that the whole world is ‘controlled’ by Jews. But I don’t see why we can’t call a spade a spade just because the idea of Jews ‘controlling the world’ was an antisemitic ‘trope’ nearly a century ago.

    • Daniel Rich
      March 3, 2015, 4:09 am

      @ Pabelmont,

      When I achieve something that I’ve worked hard for, I feel pride.

      When ~50% of the NBA teams are owned by [mainly] Jewish men, that fact becomes a.s…

      Doesn’t even make any sense.

      I also agree with MDM; simplification is meaningless, but a spade is a spade.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    March 1, 2015, 3:20 pm

    RE: “Netanyahu is coming here to tell the Congress to torpedo the efforts of the U.S. president to cut a deal with Iran.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: And, Netanyahu is not just coming here as Israel’s emissary. He said earlier today that he feels like “an emissary” of the Jewish people.*

    * SEE: “Israel’s Netanyahu heads to Washington for Congress speech”, By Aron Heller, Associated Press, 3/01/15

    BEN-GURION AIRPORT, Israel (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu headed to Washington on Sunday to press his case against an emerging deal on Iran’s nuclear program in a contentious address to the U.S. Congress, which he said he is delivering out of concern for Israel’s security.

    The address has caused an uproar that has exposed tensions between Israel and its most important ally, the United States. In accepting a Republican invitation to address Congress, Netanyahu angered the White House, which was not consulted with in advance of the invite, as well as Democrats who were forced to choose between showing support for Israel and backing the president.

    Netanyahu plans to express his disapproval over a potential deal between Iran and world powers that he says falls short of preventing Tehran from having the ability to make an atomic bomb. A preliminary deadline is later this month.

    “I feel deep and genuine concern for the security of all the people of Israel,” Netanyahu told journalists on the tarmac, his wife by his side, before boarding his flight. “I will do everything in my ability to secure our future.”

    He called the trip a “fateful and even historic mission” and said he feels like “an emissary” of the Jewish people. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://news.yahoo.com/israels-netanyahu-heads-washington-congress-speech-093725761.html

  4. yonah fredman
    March 1, 2015, 3:24 pm

    I’m unsure of the official nomenclature, but where I come from Vienna and certainly Berlin and even Prague are considered Central Europe, you have to get to Warsaw before it’s called Eastern Europe.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 1, 2015, 3:36 pm

      is that all you have to say?

      • yonah fredman
        March 1, 2015, 3:46 pm

        Zeev Sternhell, wrote in Haaretz a few weeks ago that a change in Israeli policy vis a vis the territories will have to wait until pressure is exerted by the United States. I defer to his judgment. As such it will require very uncomfortable tension between the US and Israel in the near future.

      • yonah fredman
        March 1, 2015, 5:13 pm

        here’s the link to the sternhell article:
        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.639787

      • Mooser
        March 1, 2015, 7:38 pm

        “As such it will require very uncomfortable tension between the US and Israel in the near future.”

        Well, the Israelis are doing their part, heck, more than their part to create it.
        Let’s hope the US is not unappreciative of their efforts!
        Netanyahoo’s snub of the Democrats who asked to see him will help.

    • yonah fredman
      March 1, 2015, 3:41 pm

      Nixon’s effort to institute a right of return is questionable: the quote is: Nixon told an NSC meeting in June 1970 that failure to solve the Palestinian refugee question was one of the “major lapses” of the post-World War II era. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/three-u-s-presidents-sought-the-palestinian-right-of-return-and-nothing-happened#sthash.0I9gPwjZ.dpuf
      This is not an effort to institute but a historical condemnation of the failure to institute.

      • pabelmont
        March 1, 2015, 4:41 pm

        Agreed: It is part of the “mere words” — and not much to these words either, although they identify a real problem — that has failed to move Israel since 1948. (Eisenhower may have used more than mere words.)

    • lysias
      March 1, 2015, 4:10 pm

      Even if they were considered part of Mitteleuropa in German, during the Cold War Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic (then usually called East Germany) were most definitely regarded as part of Eastern Europe at the time in English. I should know. I was stationed in Berlin with the U.S. Air Force, and my job was to monitor the East Germans.

      • yonah fredman
        March 1, 2015, 4:14 pm

        lysias- Phil was referring to the period before WWII and as such your cold war reference is an anachronism. But I could see where someone in 2015 would use 1963 terminology and not 1939 terminology, even when referring to 1939.

  5. Philip Munger
    March 1, 2015, 3:36 pm

    We are as I like to remind readers the wealthiest American group by religion and we took over many establishment perches in the last generation. We are three of the four Democratic appointees to the Supreme Court, and whenever I turn on the news, I see influential Jews, lately Andrea Mitchell the wife of Alan Greenspan interviewing Kenneth Pollack, Matt Lauer interviewing Lorne Michaels. Last night I watched a panel on CSPAN about the Charlie Hebdo murders at the French-American Foundation and it appeared that all four speaker were Jewish.

    Imagine if it were this:

    [Native Americans] are as I like to remind readers the wealthiest American group by religion and we took over many establishment perches in the last generation. We are three of the four Democratic appointees to the Supreme Court, and whenever I turn on the news, I see influential Native Americans, lately Winona LaDuke interviewing Kenneth Pollack, Sherman Alexie interviewing Lorne Michaels. Last night I watched a panel on CSPAN about the Charlie Hebdo murders at the French-American Foundation and it appeared that all four speaker were Navajo, Apache and Tlingit.

    There are virtually no prominent Native Americans in our national security infrastructure. Very, very few Native American men and no Native women have served in our U.S. Senate or House. None on the High court.

    With 2.9 million Native Americans alive now, and a U.S. Jewish population of just under 5.3 million, more than twice as many Native Americans serve in the American armed forces.

    Several of my Native American friends my age down to being in their mid-50s now, were forcefully carted off as kids to boarding schools, where the “Injun” was beaten out of them. My wife works in small Native American communities, whose only tie to white civilization is a weekly airplane. These communities have no political clout here in Alaska, or elsewhere. They do know, though, that whenever the Alaska or American economy get hit, their services and infrastructure are the first to get saddled with significant cuts.

    I’ve recognized since high school in the 60s that some American Jews suffer from multi-generational PTSD, whether to not they had close family lost in the European Holocaust. But Native Americans suffer far more living, enduring, debilitating and humiliating incidents. And they extend all the way back to 1492.

    Native Americans daily put up with racial insults, slights and epithets that would make headlines if they happened to young American Jews.

    That being said, the Israel Lobby is under a lot of stress in the wake of Netanyahu’s upcoming visit. Fascinating essay.

    2015, and the pressures of the upcoming national election contests, will soon show if there is a diminution of funding from the “our shared values” kind of PACs to those who don’t attend the joint session.

    • Linda J
      March 1, 2015, 11:02 pm

      Thanks, Philip Munger, for the perspective with regard to the indigenous people of this continent. Free free Palestine and Turtle Island too.

    • ziusudra
      March 2, 2015, 11:36 am

      Greetings P.M.,
      Not too long ago, i viewed a report of close to 5 mn american Indians in contiguous no. america & canada.
      At the time of C. C., it was estimated at 900K.
      ziusudra

      • Karl Dubhe
        March 2, 2015, 3:14 pm

        Do you have a source for that claim?

        I think you’ve quoted the lowest possible estimate of the Native American population at the time of contact with Christopher Columbus.

        Most modern scholars estimate at least 10 million, more likely there were 50-100 million people living in the Americas at the time of ‘C.C.’.

    • MRW
      March 2, 2015, 4:18 pm

      Thank you, Philip Munger. Great points.

  6. Annie Robbins
    March 1, 2015, 3:37 pm

    another example of phil knocking it out of the ballpark. kudos, great read. i hope it’s featured, i found it buried on the front page, almost missed it.

    • PeaceThroughJustice
      March 1, 2015, 5:44 pm

      Went into my “Best of 2015” folder.

    • hophmi
      March 1, 2015, 6:44 pm

      So Annie, you believe Jews have too much power and you resent it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 1, 2015, 7:49 pm

        is that a question or a statement hops?

      • Mooser
        March 1, 2015, 8:45 pm

        “is that a question or a statement hops?”

        Hophmi must be a veritable wizard at interfaith out-reach. When inter-faith out-reach reaches a sticky patch, the cry goes round: “Send for Hophmi, he’ll know just what to say!”

      • eljay
        March 1, 2015, 9:10 pm

        || hophmeee: So Annie, you believe Jews have too much power and you resent it. ||

        Perhaps she believes that people shouldn’t do unto others things they would not have others do unto them. And, unlike you, she doesn’t make an exception for Zio-supremacist Jews. Hers is a very moral* position.

        (*Actual morality, not Zio-supremacist “goal + methods” morality.)

      • Sibiriak
        March 1, 2015, 10:51 pm

        hophmi: “So Annie, you believe Jews have too much power and you resent it.”

        ——-

        It’s not about too much power– it’s about abuse of power.

      • hophmi
        March 1, 2015, 10:57 pm

        Well, Phil just wrote a post asserting that Jewish power is a problem, and you think it’s great. So you seem to think that Jews have too much power, and you seem to resent that.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 12:07 am

        Hophmi must be a veritable wizard at interfaith out-reach.

        Yes he is. Here’s a gem from the past.

        I could care less that Christian killed Christians in endless intraChristian wars. It only goes to show that the religious hatred they showed for the Jews was similar to how they treated one another. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi?keyword=christians#sthash.ptQCUgdR.dpuf

        He doesn’t care a wit about Palestinians killed by Israeli Jews, either. Except to excuse it and blame the victims. A veritable saint of a Jewish bigot. That’s our hophmi.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 2, 2015, 1:01 am

        A veritable saint of a Jewish bigot

        hops resents phil saying “Jews are post-traumatic”, he wished he’d thought of that.

        “Send for Hophmi, he’ll know just what to say!”

        he’s — like, psychic.

      • talknic
        March 2, 2015, 8:09 am

        “is that a question or a statement hops?”

        It’s an accusation

      • ziusudra
        March 2, 2015, 11:46 am

        Greetings hophmi,
        I have no prob. with Jews having power.
        Rich individual Jews don’t help World Jewry. Zionism only helped them to heard together in Israel to gain power via the demoscopy.
        World Jewry is salaried just like us stiffs. World Jewry has an over average %age of professionals, wonderful, they were beneficial for
        Germany & the US. No theme, no problem.
        You see Moses Mendelssohn was right by when calling out Haskalah, enlightenment. he demanded that German Jewry drop the Talmud & go to School.
        Even though 2 new orthodox sects sprang up because of him, only in Germany & Austria did they achieve such %age of achievement.
        ziusudra

      • Kathleen
        March 2, 2015, 6:30 pm

        Tree most of us wish the kind of racism and bigotry that Hop persistently exhibits were from the past. Present time very present time. Palestinians are less than to Hop.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 6:51 pm

        Kathleen.

        I never meant to imply that hophmi had made any progress in dropping his bigoted attitudes since he made that statement in 2013. He foaming at the mouth here over Phil’s post proves he hasn’t. As does nearly every one of his comment s he makes here. His bigotry may reach its zenith when he’s talking about Palestinians or lying about how wonderful Israel is, but his bigotry is more encompassing than that. He resents everyone who doesn’t kowtow to the Apartheid State, Jew or non-Jew, but reserves most of his bile for no-Jews, whom he considers lesser, more venal beings, everyone of whom is collectively responsible for any bad thing that happened to Jews at the hand of non-Jews. (But of course, he’d condemn as anti-semitic the same view in reverse.) Those poor “outreached Muslims” need better than a Jewish bigot on the Board of Directors.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 7:01 pm

        “Those poor “outreached Muslims” need better than a Jewish bigot on the Board of Directors.”

        Exactly! And that’s why, out of his extreme sensitivity to inter-faith and inter-cultural nuances, he won’t give his own name, or the name of the two Outreach Organizations. Anybody with any ethical sense can see that!

      • talknic
        March 2, 2015, 10:35 pm

        @ hophmi
        “So Annie, you believe Jews have too much power and you resent it”

        an accusation without evidence.

        Say …. way dam inut …. isn’t bearing false witness against the Jewish faith. tch tch tch for the Jewish state hophmi breaks the most basic of Jewish tenets. Wad a guy! Mus’ be very proud!

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 3:41 pm

        Gee Annie, Hophmi has really got you cornered. How can you show that you don’t want less Jewish babies to be born? (intermarriage thread DWS) How can you show you don’t resent Jews?

        Man, I have seen guys use some desperate lines on women, but Hophmi takes the cake.

    • Mooser
      March 1, 2015, 7:47 pm

      “Why does the most successful, the most well integrated, the most culturally and politically influential, the most socially and economically well situated Jewish community since the late years of the Roman republic…”

      It’s amazing what trauma can do for people, isn’t it? I thought trauma is measured by how much it disables or incapacitates? I find it hard to square Tony Judt’s obviously (to me, anyway) correct summation with suffering from trauma, unless it was a particularly malleable form of trauma. Oh well, I’ll never understand it.

      • echinococcus
        March 2, 2015, 1:17 am

        Weiss’ diagnosis is incorrect; in fact it is the disease of a group that recently has acquired hegemony and power over the big superpower, and logically it is the pre-traumatic stress syndrome (as brilliantly named by Atzmon.) Will get worse as the trauma approaches.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 10:37 am

        “and logically it is the pre-traumatic stress syndrome”

        My dear “echinococcus”, I will be forever grateful to you for bringing “pre-traumatic stress syndrome” to my attention! Of course, “pre-traunatic”! Nobody ever said we were stupid, and a Zionist would be awful stupid not to have a bad case of it. Thanks!

      • ziusudra
        March 2, 2015, 11:59 am

        Greetings echinococcus,
        ….the disease of a Group…..
        Unfair!
        The Groups:
        Egyptians,
        Macedonians,
        Romans,
        Europeans,
        Ottoman,
        Britain,
        Japan
        Germany,
        Japan,
        US
        as people did feel privileged because of their leaders.
        Are you telling me that World Jewry or the Israelis are sick?
        Then all peoples of the past Empires were sick! I want to be sick.
        The People of such Empires never enjoyed wealth or power.
        ziusudra

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 12:21 pm

        So now I know what initiates a Ziocaine Syndrome episode. It’s a result of pre-traumatic stress!

      • MRW
        March 2, 2015, 4:44 pm

        Just a little correction, ziusudra,

        as people did feel privileged because of their leaders.

        Except for the great Golden Age of Islam (600 or 700 AD to 1600 AD). They were privileged because of their knowledge, which was massive in science, mathematics, medicine, architecture, astronomy, engineering, jurisprudence, and culture. They introduced these fields of study to Europe (to Christians and Jews). They created the first universities and libraries. And their wealth was staggering. One palace in Moorish Cordoba Spain in 900 AD was worth £30 million in 1919 dollars, which at the 1919 exchange rate ($4.70) was worth US$141 million in 1919 dollars.

        Most Americans only know the First-There-Was-The-Bible-and-then-there-was-1776 version of history. And our history since then has been written by American historians who can’t read, write, and speak Arabic and Chinese, so how would we (or they) know?

  7. JLewisDickerson
    March 1, 2015, 3:44 pm

    RE: “Why is the American Jewish community so determined to convince itself that we are living in 1938?” Tony Judt asked nine years ago. “Why does the most successful, the most well integrated, the most culturally and politically influential, the most socially and economically well situated Jewish community since the late years of the Roman republic, why is it so worried about the demon of anti-Semitism—more worried than the Jewish community in any other country I know and certainly more worried than Israel itself?” ~ from Phil’s post above

    SEE: “Israel’s Defense Chief OK’s Hundreds of Israeli Deaths”, By Ira Chernus, CommonDreams.org, 11/11/11

    [EXCERPT] . . . An essential motive of Zionism from its beginning was a fierce desire to end the centuries of Jewish weakness, to show the world that Jews would no longer be pushed around, that they’d fight back and prove themselves tougher than their enemies. There was more to Zionism than that. But the “pride through strength” piece came to dominate the whole project. Hence the massive Israeli military machine with its nuclear arsenal.
    But you can’t prove that you’re stronger than your enemies unless you’ve also got enemies — or at least believe you’ve got enemies — to fight against. So there has to be a myth of Israel’s insecurity, fueled by an image of vicious anti-semites lurking somewhere out there, for Zionism to work. Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, Iran has gradually risen to the top of Israel oh-so-necessary enemies list. Iranophobia is rampant in Israel, as one Israeli scholar writes, because “Israel needs an existential threat.”
    Anyone who has grown up in Israel, or in the U.S. Jewish community (as I did), and paid attention knows all this. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/11-2

    P.S. ALSO SEE – “Iranophobia: The Panic of the Hegemons”, by Ira Chernus, Tikkun Magazine, November/December 2010
    LINK – http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/iranophobia-the-panic-of-the-hegemons-3

    • JLewisDickerson
      March 1, 2015, 3:50 pm

      P.P.S. AND SEE: “Three Myths of Israel’s Insecurity And Why They Must Be Debunked”, By Ira Chernus, tomdispatch.com, 4/17/2011

      [EXCERPTS] Here are the Three Sacred Commandments for Americans who shape the public conversation on Israel:

      1. For politicians, especially at the federal level: As soon as you say the word “Israel,” you must also say the word “security” and promise that the United States will always, always, always be committed to Israel’s security. If you occasionally label an action by the Israeli government “unhelpful,” you must immediately reaffirm the eternal U.S. commitment to Israel’s security.

      2. For TV talking heads and op-ed pundits: If you criticize any policies or actions of the Israeli government, you must immediately add that Israel does, of course, have very real and serious security needs that have to be addressed.

      3. For journalists covering the Israel-Palestine conflict for major American news outlets: You must live in Jewish Jerusalem or in Tel Aviv and take only occasional day trips into the Occupied Territories. So your reporting must inevitably be slanted toward the perspective of the Jews you live among. And you must indicate in every report that Jewish Israeli life is dominated by anxiety about security.

      U.S. opinion-shapers have obeyed the Three Commandments scrupulously for decades. As a result, they’ve created an indelible image of Israel as a deeply insecure nation. That image is a major, if often overlooked, factor that has shaped and continues to shape Washington’s policies in the Middle East and especially the longstanding American tilt toward Israel. . .

      . . . Ironically, that myth gets plenty of criticism and questioning in the Israeli press from writers like (to cite just some recent examples) Merav Michaeli and Doron Rosenblum in the liberal newspaper Haaretz, and even Alon Ben-Meir in the more conservative Jerusalem Post. In the United States, though, the myth of insecurity is the taken-for-granted lens through which the public views everything about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Like the air we breathe, it’s a view so pervasive that we hardly notice it.

      Nor do we notice how reflexively most Americans accept the claim of self-defense as justification for everything Israel does, no matter how outrageous. That reflex goes far to explain why, in the latest Gallup poll matchup (“Do you sympathize more with Israel or the Palestinians?”), Israel won by a nearly 4 to 1 margin. And the pro-Israeli sentiment just keeps growing.

      Our politicians, pundits, and correspondents breathe the same air in the same unthinking fashion, and so they hesitate to put much pressure on Israel to change its ways. As it happens, without such pressure, no Israeli government is likely to make the compromises needed for a just and lasting peace in the region. . .

      . . . If American attitudes and so policies are ever to change, one necessary (though not in itself sufficient) step is to confront and debunk the myth of Israel’s insecurity.

      ● Three Myths in One

      Israel actually promotes three separate myths of insecurity, although its PR machine weaves them into a single tightly knit fabric. To grasp the reality behind it, the three strands have to be teased apart and examined separately.

      Myth Number 1: Israel’s existence is threatened by the ever-present possibility of military attack. In fact, there’s no chance that any of Israel’s neighbors will start a war to wipe out Israel. . .

      CONTINUED AT – http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175380/tomgram%3A_ira_chernus%2C_the_great_israeli_security_scam/#more

      • Mooser
        March 1, 2015, 7:52 pm

        I’m getting to very much dislike that little two-word locution “Israel’s security”. I never know whether it means “secure in its declared borders” or “secure in its intransigence”. It’s such a big weasel phrase if I ever saw one scurry down a hole, I’d be afraid to send Fritz after it!

      • seafoid
        March 1, 2015, 8:28 pm

        IF Palestinians don’t have justice Israelis don’t deserve security

      • ziusudra
        March 2, 2015, 12:05 pm

        Greetings JLD,
        My Catholic Church gave us 1700 yrs. of Veneal Sin.
        We get it at birth! Other Clergy give their followers also tags, World Jewry is told overe & over that mankind is out to get them. This helps their Clergy’s power base, just like my church.
        ziusudra
        PS Reform for the Clergy of all 3 Abrahamic Religions would be progress for mankind.

      • JLewisDickerson
        March 2, 2015, 2:52 pm

        P.S. You might want to listen to Timothy MacBain’s TomCast audio interview in which Ira Chernus discusses what to make of American attitudes toward Israel and the Palestinians.

        TomCast for April 17, 2011: Myth Debunkers – TomDispatch
        Ira Chernus, a professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder, discusses some of the fallacies in the popular narrative regarding the State of Israel.
        LINK – https://archive.org/details/TomcastForApril172011MythDebunkers

        OTHER AUDIO INTERVIEWS WITH CHERNUS – http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Aopensource_audio%20AND%20subject%3A%22Ira%20Chernus%22

  8. Steve Macklevore
    March 1, 2015, 4:26 pm

    Thank you Phil for writing such a wonderful article. Brave, passionate, logical and true.

    For a while now I’ve been thinking that perhaps Modoweiss is the best pro Palestinian website in the world. Articles such as this one confirm that view.

    • Pixel
      March 2, 2015, 12:39 am

      +1

    • Annie Robbins
      March 2, 2015, 11:40 am

      brave and brazen run through phil’s veins. so naturally he probably doesn’t even realize the extent of it. people recognize truth when they hear it.

      it’s very difficult for an artist to replicate nature. a truly gifted artist doesn’t, they become a passageway, a vehicle where nature or truth moves thru them.

  9. JLewisDickerson
    March 1, 2015, 4:36 pm

    RE: “There is not an American national interest in supporting Israel right or wrong, not since the Cold War ended.” ~ Weiss

    FOR A MORE PESSIMISTIC APPRAISAL, SEE:
    “Obama-Netanyahu Feud”, by Norman Pollack, CounterPunch.org, Feb 27-Mar 01, 2015

    [EXCERPTS] When thieves have a falling out, it is common to look for the “good guy” as though everything is relative and subject to comparative analysis. Not so here. Assume their feud is real, we still have Tweedledum and Tweedledee, a race to the political-ideological-moral bottom when the scope is enlarged to take in the fuller position of both and the respective countries they each represent: America and Israel, joined at the hip, no matter personality differences of the current leadership, macro- and micro-hegemonic policies, goals, and aspirations to destroy all opposition to their presumed superiority and place in the global sun. To effect their national purposes, which in reality are the same in a sybaritic relationship of mutual war-criminality, drawing sustenance from one another’s extremism, there is an underlying long-term authoritarianism making them absolutely callous to the human suffering each inflicts on the weak. . .

    . . . Given the inlaid paradigm of self-appointed proconsul to the world, well-publicized tiffs over specific policy decisions count for naught insofar as endangering the most basic posture of counterrevolution whether regional or global or in fact, for each, both. The US and Israel, Emperor and Praetorian Guard, colossi astride the international order, the intertwining of intervention, assassination, regime change, espionage, each nation cooperating with, and learning from, the other, a perpetual-motion machine lest breakdown, displacement, loss of will occur. Killing becomes the elixir of life, whether Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, for one, ethnic cleansing to inaugurate the New State, then the follow-up, the Palestinian Territories and, chiefly now, GAZA, the Bergen-Belsen of the Arab world, for the other. Gaza is the war-crime of the new century; so today all Netanyahu is doing is raising the stakes on the partnership—arms will continue to flow, military and intelligence communities to coordinate as one, same old, same old, since the late 1940s.

    Why? Americans’ love for the Jewish people? Doubtful. Lobbying activities of Jewish organizations in the US? Not sufficient unto itself as an explanation. Rather, Israel had proven itself a trusted ally of the US from the earliest days of the Cold War, perhaps doubly useful because of the pseudo-socialist façade of the kibbutz imagery, providing a welcome crack in the American line-up of friends and allies many of whom were fascist in origin or practice. Geopolitics cannot be gainsaid, a US-inclined military-strategic oasis at the heart of the European underbelly, with ready access to North Africa and the Far East as well. But even geopolitics, in the immediate sense of regional control, hardly reveals a developing affinity of purpose. Israel, by the early 1950s, was code for everything to which America professed a desire to be, strong, ruthless, a beacon of legitimate repression (“legitimate” because unsuccessfully challenged), the worthy protagonist of the forces of evil arrayed against God, democracy, and freedom.

    With a Manichean view of these proportions, love always trumps differences of the moment. In truth, it is hard to exceed Obama in the virtues of totalitarianism. Israelis need not worry about being sold down the river; even on Iran, America on his watch has inflicted sanctions and cyber-espionage sufficient to give the most skeptical grounds for assurance. Diplomacy, when it comes to the Enemy, is sleight-of-hand for pressures aimed at capitulation and humiliation. Rather, if Obama is not responsible for the imbroglio with Israel, Netanyahu is, and daily proves himself more dysfunctional to the relationship. This is not surprising, because, a faithful microcosm of Israel’s own descent into a collective state of hubris mirroring his own, the relationship itself is a strain on both partners, neither one willing to draw back from a seeming abyss of belligerence, perhaps to keep up with the other. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/27/obama-netanyahu-feud/

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 3:11 pm

      “Israel, by the early 1950s, was code for everything to which America professed a desire to be, strong, ruthless, a beacon of legitimate repression (“legitimate” because unsuccessfully challenged), the worthy protagonist of the forces of evil arrayed against God, democracy, and freedom.”

      That’s what’s called in Yiddish a frontier.

    • JLewisDickerson
      March 3, 2015, 11:17 am

      P.S. POLLACK ELABORATES: “Israel and the Palestinians; The Psychopathology of Revenge”, by Normamn Pollack, CounterPunch.org, March 02, 2015

      [EXCERPT] In my earlier article I referred in passing to Israel’s having rendered Gaza “the Bergen-Belsen of the Arab world,” a very harsh statement, but one on further reflection I believe is justified. How explain not only the merciless killing but also the indifference to it on the part of Israelis? Initially, as I over time became more critical of Israel, I ascribed the behavior to the psychodynamics of introjection: the gut-wrenching, anguished, unspeakably cruel experience of the Holocaust, a process of dehumanization which left the individual in a state of extreme ego-loss powerless to resist both the degraded image of the self and the external penetration of the total context of repression into the psyche, notably, the value system of the oppressor, the jailer, the Nazi. This grounding down of the human personality cannot but leave its scars, as though in struggling for a return to wholeness some of the internal poisons remain. One should not blame the victims for the brutal crimes practiced on them. They are entitled to understanding, at the very least, and actually a good deal more. But the historical experience etched into the mindset of the survivors and passed on to future generations could, and I think did, take on a perverse course, at first, largely unconscious, but then hardened into place as the group-memory of genocide remained in force and the experience of renewed persecution either persisted or threatened.

      At this point, clearly not explainable by some form of psychological determinism, but nevertheless, by a natural drive for self-protection, victims find within themselves transformative powers, as in the resolve, “Never again,” to liberate themselves from societal- and self-captivity to become strong, if need be, by overcompensating from previous weakness, with the result of adopting for themselves the mindset that had been responsible for holding them down. The toughness of the Israeli is legendary, a toughness, however, drained of the humanistic, life-giving impulses that had heretofore characterized Judaism and its embrace of the stranger, its inceptive radicalism and call for transcendent brotherhood, its respect for the arts—all thought softness today and ill-fitted for present reality. Sartre once described the anti-Semite (which we can enlarge to include the authoritarian personality) as one attracted to the durability of stone.

      This is where, I’m afraid, we’re at: the prostitution of “Never again” into a solipsistic credo of what might best be called, defensive aggression, which turns out to be not defensive at all. Gaza is like a laboratory of cruelty, different from the gas chamber in quantity more than in quality, a possibility actualized only because of or through the debasement of religious teachings preceded by the breakdown of personality structure and value system under the weight of the Holocaust. Can the spell be broken, the historical- psychological continuity of suffering-transformed-into-revenge likewise broken? I fear that introjection has become a runaway process, that at this point revenge has eliminated an initially passive response to psychological impoverishment, so that the presumed emancipation from the past, the conversion from weakness into strength, takes the hideous form of recapitulating that past under Israel’s own auspices as reproducing the Nazi experience in the modern era: Bergen-Belsen qua Gaza, an assertion of might, a warning to all enemies, real and imagined, and proof-positive of the requisite hardness worthy to being taken as America’s staunchest ally. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/02/the-psychopathology-of-revenge/

  10. JWalters
    March 1, 2015, 7:23 pm

    Wow. This is one of the most honest, fair-minded, and thorough articles I’ve ever read on this topic. My sincere thanks and congratulations. The article is worthy of becoming a reference point in the world’s ongoing discussion of this life-and-death topic.

    As you note, a profound fear is a central factor in this tragic situation. And as another excellent article at Mondoweiss has so humanely described, that fear has been cultivated through emotional manipulation using disinformation and myths.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/palestine-zionist-education/

    I share the article’s overall optimism about reality finally coming to the forefront. In the near term, the people who want war with Iran may have more up their sleeves. There may be some sort of bombshell to accompany Netanyahu’s visit. Back when Netanyahu was to meet with Clinton and a tough discussion about “settlements” was on the agenda, the Lewinsky scandal broke simultaneously and the “settlements” were somehow never discussed. Not meaning this time would be the same kind of bombshell. Also in that case Netanyahu planned an independent, deliberate affront to the president. More on Bibi, Monica, and Bill:
    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/03/entangling-the-us-in-a-war-with-iran/#comment-187891

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 3:16 pm

      ” and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism,”

      But Hophmi, maybe they realized they didn’t have what it takes, were made of inferior stuff, and did Judaism the invaluable favor of honestly resigning from it instead of hanging around being mosers?
      All of a sudden, you want more Jews, even if they are not observant, or miscegenationers? Can’t keep the bloodlines pure like that, Hophmi.

      • hophmi
        March 2, 2015, 3:53 pm

        Or maybe Christian European society was not hospitable to Jews, Mooser.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 5:56 pm

        “Or maybe Christian European society was not hospitable to Jews,”

        They let a little inhospitality stop them from being Jews? Weak sisters, not the ethno-nationality kind of self-determining Jews Zionism is made of. Forget ’em Hophmi, they were probably Sephardis anyway.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 7:11 pm

        “and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism,”

        Yeah, yeah, Hophmi, but we are all Jews in the US, where any Jew or group of Jews is free to re-make, re-imagine, re-traditionalize, re-construct and or re-orient their religion, just like anybody else. Since you can’t get the Gentiles to co-operate with you on imposing your kind of Judaism and Jewish organization on Jews we have a lot more choices open to us than those European Jews did.
        What do you plan to do, Hophmi, sue the first non-Zionist Jewish organization for using the word “Jewish”?

    • Kathleen
      March 2, 2015, 9:02 pm

      “As you note, a profound fear is a central factor in this tragic situation. And as another excellent article at Mondoweiss has so humanely described, that fear has been cultivated through emotional manipulation using disinformation and myths”

      Norman Finkelstein’s book “The Holocaust Industry” is a must read. He covers the “emotional manipulation” issue like no other.
      .

  11. hophmi
    March 1, 2015, 7:30 pm

    This analysis is nothing new. It is typical of Phil’s writing, which suggests, as it always does, the Phil has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism, Phil adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater. The key point here is that he quotes Gilad Atzmon’s views, shared by some commentators on his site, that Jews control the world, ostensibly to illustrate the challenge of criticizing the Jewish community, and he missed the irony, which is that his critique amounts to the same claim.

    There are, of course, the mistakes. Zionism was not a response to the elite Jewish condition. It was a response to antisemitism of non-Jewish elites, and the failure of those non-Jewish elites, even in a time of emancipation and enlightenment, to offer basic protection for their Jewish populations. Those who believed in it most strongly were not European elites, but Eastern European peasants, who wished to shuck off perpetual discrimination and poverty at the hands of Christian brethren and to exchange it for a better life.

    There are several clear American national security interests in maintaining a strong alliance with Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and more importantly, it is only stable country in the region. It is the only one that reflects anything approaching American values. It is the only one where people can speak freely, and do. It is the only one where democratic elections are routine, rather than American-engineered one-time events. It is only place where gay people are not kept in the closet or thrown off of the buildings and stoned to death. It is the only place in the Middle East where Americans can go to conduct joint research in any number of fields, including military technology. It is the only place America can count on, and for that reason alone, the amount of change possible because of a tiff between two leaders is extraordinarily limited. America doesn’t have other choices in the Middle East, and common sense, not to mention polling, shows it again and again. Who is America going to ally itself with? Iran? A country that brings people out into the street to wish it death? Saudi Arabia? A country where women don’t drive? It won’t happen, because if it did, America would be a worse place and a less great country.

    It is astounding that anyone could look at the Middle East today and conclude that any meaningful share of the problems there are traceable to Israel. It is nonsense. Sunni and Shia Muslims do not war with one another because of Israel. Libya is not in pieces because of Israel. The radical clerics that constitute Al-Azhar University in Egypt are not there because of Israel. ISIS does not exist because of Israel. Bashar al-Assad isn’t murdering his own citizens because of Israel. Omar al-Bashir didn’t commit genocide because of Israel. These things are happening because the places in which they are happening have been troubled societies for a long time, and this is how they are choosing to resolve their problems. And in too many cases, to justify the horrors that occur there, they blame others. And unfortunately, there are many, many more of them than there are Jews in this world, and if you repeat the big lie enough, it has an effect. Because people in the region are seen as victims of Western machinations, left-wingers have picked up on these themes, and they too repeat them. They’re wrong, and history will be brutal to them for it, just as it will be brutal to them for opposing US intervention in Bosnia and Serbia and for favoring the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

    As he has forever, Phil offers nothing but anecdotes (read: stereotypes) to support his analysis. Jews are all over the media, and this is why Israel comes in for less criticism than it should. Except, of course, when it is criticized. By Jews like Anthony Lewis. By non-Jews like Charlie Reese. By Jews like Tom Friedman. By non-Jews like Zbigniew Brzezinski. But the media is Jewish for Phil, because the stereotype serves his political outlook and feeds his insecurity with power and supposed privilege.

    Phil compares treatment of Jews to treatment of Catholics. He fails to mention, of course, that there are more than five times as many Catholics as Jews in the United States, several dozen times internationally, and financially, the Catholic Church is second to no institution in opulent wealth, some of it brazenly stolen from elsewhere around the world, including the Jewish community.

    He posits a Jewish establishment that he says took the place of the WASP establishment, a nonsense point that he can’t begin to prove, and that is laughable given the stark difference in size, influence, and history between the two. He says Jews are here and Jews are there, and then he blames them for a lack of diversity in the same breath as he notes that the same institutions have fostered diversity. So when he can attribute negative characteristics to this supposed Establishment, he does so. When he talks about positive developments, he does what he can to make sure and not give the Jewish community he says is so elite any credit for them.

    Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how small it is.

    American Jewry, and the American-Israel relationship will survive the Phils of this world. American Jews, long a positive force in American society, will continue to be, far into the future, and Israel will endure, far into the future. The Phils will fall away, as they always do.

    • Marnie
      March 2, 2015, 3:41 am

      Self-hatred? Are you sure you aren’t talking about yourself?

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 1:40 pm

        Oh, man, that’s a classic outpouring from Hophmi. Gosh, I’m glad it will be preserved for all time in the Mondo archives. Why I wouldn’t be surprised if Hophmi copies it and pastes it into his resume’. You know, if he wants to sit on the boards-of-directors of any more Muslim-outreach organizations. Maybe he will copy it to his Farcebook page!

      • Annie Robbins
        March 2, 2015, 5:30 pm

        This analysis is nothing new. It is typical of hophmi’s writing, which suggests, as it always does, the hophmi has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those anonymous zionists on the internet who looked down upon their brethren, hophmi adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater. The key point here is that he quotes phil quoting Gilad Atzmon’s views, shared by some commentators on his site, that Jews control the world, ostensibly to illustrate the challenge of criticizing phil, and he missed the irony, which is that his critique amounts to the same claim (phil: “So that is the problem with even discussing this; anti-Semites will have a field day”).

        so why the anonymity hops? too afraid, weak and powerless to spew your accusatory ad hominems in an identifiable way, always hiding behind a mask as you stalk phil?

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 6:01 pm

        “so why the anonymity hops? too afraid, weak and powerless to spew your accusatory ad hominems in an identifiable way, always hiding behind a mask as you stalk phil?”

        Annie, how much do you expect from Hophmi? If he gave his real name, it might negatively effect his work on the board-of-directors (it’s in your archive Hophmi) of two Muslim outreach organizations. You can’t expect Hophmi to do anything which might mess with his Muslim outreach!

      • hophmi
        March 16, 2015, 11:40 am

        “so why the anonymity hops? too afraid, weak and powerless to spew your accusatory ad hominems in an identifiable way, always hiding behind a mask as you stalk phil?”

        Phil knows who I am. Curious that you ask me for my identity, but no one else here. And really, really bad faith on your part, since you allow through ad hominem comment after ad hominem comment that violates the rules and do nothing but target me personally. You really are a piece of work, Annie.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 1, 2016, 11:41 pm

        ha! i just saw this comment when mooser linked to it in another thread. can’t answer can you hops? and pretending i asked who you are — i already know who you are. i asked you why you posted anonymously — too cowardly to be associated with the vile things you write? you lurk behind a mask here.

      • Mooser
        May 2, 2016, 12:19 am

        Wait a minute! Holy Guacamole, the “Phils will fall away” and “Phil knows who I am” are in the same thread?!?!?

        So first “Hophmi” excoriates Phil in the most insulting and personally degrading terms he can muster, and right after that trades on his relationship with Phil as “gentlemen” to lambaste Annie?

        “Hophmi”, I gotta hand it to you. You must have an absolutely unshakeable faith in the power of tribal unity!

    • eljay
      March 2, 2015, 8:15 am

      || hophmeee: … There are several clear American national security interests in maintaining a strong alliance with Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and more importantly, it is only stable country in the region. It is the only one that reflects anything approaching American values. It is the only one where people can speak freely, and do. It is the only one where democratic elections are routine, rather than American-engineered one-time events. It is only place where gay people are not kept in the closet or thrown off of the buildings and stoned to death. It is the only place in the Middle East where Americans can go to conduct joint research in any number of fields, including military technology. It is the only place America can count on, and for that reason alone, the amount of change possible because of a tiff between two leaders is extraordinarily limited. ||

      Nothing in the above paragraph explains why a strong alliance with Israel is of value to the U.S.

      But in typical Zio-supremacist fashion, hophmeee glosses over the fact that Israel:
      – was envisioned and established and has been maintained as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”;
      – was established as such by means of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
      – for over 60 years and with impunity has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians;
      – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
      – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      hophmeee is a typically hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist who argues that Jews have a right to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others to do unto them.

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 10:45 am

      “Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past “

      Dr. Hophmi is in da’ house! And he’s diagnosin’ left and right! So you’ve got a little pain in your kishkas or kasha? Is it indigestion, or the canker of self-hatred gnawing at the heart? Hophmi knows, and is always ready to tell!

      And for the next half hour, get a diagnosis by Hophmi, and with it (just pay separate shipping and handling) is included a free hour of sex-therapy from Schumley Boteach!

      • Stephen Shenfield
        March 2, 2015, 12:13 pm

        Dammit, it’s already after 12. I missed the free offer!

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 1:43 pm

        “Dammit, it’s already after 12. I missed the free offer!”

        That’s too bad, it was worth every penny!

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 12:33 pm

      “It is astounding that anyone could look at the Middle East today and conclude that any meaningful share of the problems there are traceable to Israel. It is nonsense.”

      Ah, so this is why you can’t tell us the names of the Muslim-outreach organizations you are on the boards of directors of! You’ve got a secret outreach strategy which never fails.

      • hophmi
        March 2, 2015, 3:55 pm

        Mooser, by all means, enjoy your retirement. Clearly, you’re doing very little with it.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 6:09 pm

        “Mooser, by all means, enjoy your retirement. Clearly, you’re doing very little with it.”

        How can you say that, Hophmi? I’ve made your acquaintance, and you (and your herd of ilk) supply me with veritable overdoses of the best medicine, every day.

      • Mayhem
        March 3, 2015, 2:18 am

        ‘Why the anonymity of Israel supporters like Hophmi?’ the MW rank and file squawk.

        In my case when I was fighting Jew-hatred online I once posted my name inadvertently on a guy’s website and politely asked him to remove his anti-semitic diatribes.The guy decided to redouble his efforts and I ended up having to seek legal help to defuse him.

        When I was arguing with local BDS supporters on Facebook I got threats and intimidation galore – they knew who my kids were and accused me of producing IDF fodder.

        This is why anonymity is important for people like Hophmi (and me) because the menace and abuse that can multiply when one can be personally targeted.

        Mondoweiss is set up so that commenters don’t have to declare their real name and that is protection against potential harrassment.

        @mooser, from the generally stupid tenor of your MW remarks you would definitely be advised to maintain anonymity to avoid any embarrassment in the wider moose community.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 10:39 am

        Sure Mayhem, that’s all true, you big Jew-hater-fighter, you. Kish mir en toches

      • DaBakr
        March 3, 2015, 12:27 pm

        keep things on point boys, play nice….

        *ok, mooser gets a pass today since Bibi made such a brilliant rhetorical speech he’s bound to be a bit cranky. in fact-maybe today is a good day to leave the comment board to the regulars for whining and tears. even bib’s enemies are calling the speech a good one.

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 3:21 pm

      ” It was a response to antisemitism of non-Jewish elites, and the failure of those non-Jewish elites, even in a time of emancipation and enlightenment, to offer basic protection for their Jewish populations.”

      Which, I hasten to point out, not even the United States of America, supposed bastion of freedom, has done! The United States hardly even know which of its citizens are Jewish, half-Jewish, 1/4 Jewish or anything. And the US does not even recognize any branch of Judaism as its official representative!
      Like Hophmi says, not even the most basic protections!

    • kalithea
      March 2, 2015, 3:24 pm

      some of it brazenly stolen from elsewhere around the world, including the Jewish community

      Can you provide proof of what was stolen from Jewish community and if Jews want to claim ownership of Jesus who was a Jew that’s fine by me and then you can stake a claim to whatever artifacts relate to Jesus. I’m looking forward to that.

    • Kathleen
      March 2, 2015, 3:38 pm

      Hop “”Phil has internalized anti Jewish hatred”

      I truly believe Phil is actually trying to save Israel based on the internationally recognized borders. Phil is facing the facts on the ground. Phil is being a great friend to Israel via his actions.

      And Hop if there is so much freedom of speech in Israel why is it that the Nakba is illegal to even mention?

    • Keith
      March 2, 2015, 6:32 pm

      HOPHMI- “Those who believed in it most strongly were not European elites, but Eastern European peasants….”

      What Eastern European peasants? The Jews as a group were city folk and tradesmen, not peasants. Many Eastern European Jews may have been poor as a consequence of there being too many Jewish tradesmen for the peasant society to support, but nonetheless they were above the mass of Gentile peasants. As for your continual carping about anti-Semitism from those who try to discuss political economy vis a vis Jewish kinship, you may wish to review the writings of the early Zionists who saw the “Jewish problem” as one of imbalance between the Jews and the surrounding Gentile communities. That was one justification for the creation of Israel, to enable Jews to become more evenly dispersed throughout society rather than dominating certain historical niches. You are probably aware of this, but being a Zionist ideologue choose to ignore it while tossing about labels. A big fan of Father Coughlin, are you?

      • hophmi
        March 16, 2015, 11:54 am

        “What Eastern European peasants? The Jews as a group were city folk and tradesmen, not peasants.”

        Many of the Jews in the Pale of the Settlement were desperately poor, and most of what became Israel was made up of very poor people, whether they were people from the Pale of the Settlement, Holocaust refugees, or refugees from other countries in the Middle East. Zionism, in any event, was primarily a reaction to the historical persecution of Jews, and to the failure, even when Jews assimilated and became a part of the European elite, of Jews to escape further persecution, which eventually culminated in the Holocaust, when about six million Jews, rich, poor, middle class, religious, non-religious, were murdered en masse.

        I’m aware of your obsession, Keith, with making the point over and over again, that Gentiles in Europe suffered as well as Jews. You do it every time the issue of historical European antisemitism comes up, and no one here, including me, has ever denied that most Gentiles in Europe in the Middle Ages and later were poor peasants because of the feudal system that prevailed in Europe over the centuries. It’s a pretty common tactic among the neo-Nazis/white supremacists – to answer any and every narrative about the historical persecution of a minority group by talking about the persecution of white Christians. I see through it, and I will continue to call you out on it. Grow up.

    • Kathleen
      March 2, 2015, 9:39 pm

      Hop: ” It is the only one where people can speak freely, and do”

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/22/israel-remove-nakba-from-textbooks

      1948 no catastrophe says Israel, as term nakba banned from Arab children’s textbooks

      Israel’s education ministry has ordered the removal of the word nakba – Arabic for the “catastrophe” of the 1948 war – from a school textbook for young Arab children, it has been announced.

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-bans-use-of-palestinian-term-nakba-in-textbooks-1.280515

      Israel bans use of Palestinian term ‘nakba’ in textbooks
      Term describing ‘catastrophe’ of 1948 was introduced in Arab schools in 2007, under Labor education min.
      By Reuters | Jul. 22, 2009

      Freedom of speech in Israel. Freedom to protest
      http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/video-senior-idf-officer-smashes-peaceful-activist-in-the-face-with-his-m-16
      Video: Senior IDF officer smashes peaceful activist in the face with his M-16
      Israel/Palestine
      Henry Norr on April 16, 2012

      Hop: ” It is astounding that anyone could look at the Middle East today and conclude that any meaningful share of the problems there are traceable to Israel.” –

      A few experts disagree with you.

      1. The Petraeus briefing: Biden’s embarrassment is not the whole story

      http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/03/14/the-petraeus-briefing-bidens-embarrassment-is-not-the-whole-story/

      ” The team had been dispatched by CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus to underline his growing worries at the lack of progress in resolving the issue. The 33-slide, 45-minute PowerPoint briefing stunned Mullen. The briefers reported that there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM’s mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises, that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region, and that Mitchell himself was (as a senior Pentagon officer later bluntly described it) “too old, too slow … and too late.”

      Same article: The Mullen briefing and Petraeus’s request hit the White House like a bombshell. While Petraeus’s request that CENTCOM be expanded to include the Palestinians was denied (“it was dead on arrival,” a Pentagon officer confirms), the Obama administration decided it would redouble its efforts — pressing Israel once again on the settlements issue, sending Mitchell on a visit to a number of Arab capitals and dispatching Mullen for a carefully arranged meeting with the chief of the Israeli General Staff, Lt. General Gabi Ashkenazi. While the American press speculated that Mullen’s trip focused on Iran, the JCS Chairman actually carried a blunt, and tough, message on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: that Israel had to see its conflict with the Palestinians “in a larger, regional, context” — as having a direct impact on America’s status in the region. Certainly, it was thought, Israel would get the message.

      Israel didn’t. When Vice President Joe Biden was embarrassed by an Israeli announcement that the Netanyahu government was building 1,600 new homes in East Jerusalem, the administration reacted. But no one was more outraged than Biden who, according to the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, engaged in a private, and angry, exchange with the Israeli Prime Minister. Not surprisingly, what Biden told Netanyahu reflected the importance the administration attached to Petraeus’s Mullen briefing: “This is starting to get dangerous for us,” Biden reportedly told Netanyahu. “What you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.” Yedioth Ahronoth went on to report: “The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel’s actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism.” The message couldn’t be plainer: Israel’s intransigence could cost American lives. ”

      2. Former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit Michael Scheuer has been on Cspan and any other outlet brave enough to have him on and has repeatedly said that Israel’s actions endanger Americans, undermine U.S. National security by pissing off a lot of people in the region. Been going on for decades

      ‘Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims’ — Scheuer to Congress –

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/relationship-americans-fighting

      Michael Scheuer on Cspan talking about U.S. foreign policy and how Israel’s actions undermine both the U.S. and Israel

      http://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=All&query=Michael+scheuer

      3. Middle east experts Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett have often brought up how Israel’s illegal actions influence middle east problems.

      http://goingtotehran.com/

      4. Former IAEA weapons inspector in Iraq Scott Ritter has written and spoken extensively about how Israel’s illegal actions and UN resolution violations are a serious problem in the middle east.

      December 17, 2007
      US Must Reevaluate Its Relationship With Israel

      Ritter has discussed this issue on Cspan many times
      http://www.c-span.org/person/?scottritter

      http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ritter.php?articleid=12064

      • Kathleen
        March 2, 2015, 9:42 pm

        Oh yeah and Charles Freeman had a few things to say about the power of the I lobby

        http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19856.html

        “The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show conclusively that there is a powerful lobby determined to prevent any view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East,” he wrote.

        “The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.”

    • piotr
      March 2, 2015, 9:54 pm

      Few points: self-hater? At worst, I see disparaging, not hatred, of DIFFERENT people. Educated do disparage the ignorant, (among the Jews the distinction remains sharp) and vice versa, “cosmopolitans” disparage “nationalists” and vice versa, and so on. Perhaps universal love would be better, but some degree of assertiveness about you life philosophy is healthy (and I do not thing that hophmi advocates that). Of course, there are other divisions, the established disparaging the “rabble of radical and marginal groups” and the latter, “whores of the plutocrats”, and what is common to all, we disparage the others, and we need some introspection if we do not go to far, and when such disparaging is warranted to begin with.

      So Phil is educated, “cosmopolitan” (“universal values trump the tribal values”), not established (but getting quoted in NYT, so not totally “out of the mainstream”), so it is only natural if he does not feel a lot in common with morons who cannot string two sentences without a major mistake (and who emphatically do not care about it) and are established due to generosity of tycoons like Sheldon Adelson (or moderate tycoons like Saban). Good for him! If this is an affliction, I take it any time.

      Blaming Israel for all calamities? Phil was very measured and strived for accuracy. Israel as an ally is of dubious utility, and to the degree that it provided us with intelligence, ideas, and Israeli partisans in USA interpreted intelligence and offered ideas, the results were bad. Most importantly, the event that motivated the article, is Netanyahu making a speech to preclude any conceivable agreement in Iran and thus preventing normalization in a very troubled region, and perhaps leading to a war with huge risks for USA and, suicidally, for Israel. In other words, a valiant attempt to cause a calamity. We do not need to rehash Kitos war or what not to see that. Phil addressed specific events, and avoided even those generalization that may be warranted.

      “The radical clerics that constitute al-Azhar University…” What? Here hophmi raised the art of changing the topic to levels that I did not previously imagine. I guess it is my personal fault here, because this passage is very baffling if you know the actual locations of radical clerics in the region — you find more of them in the settlements than in al-Azhar.

      And we come back to “self-hatred”. Born in a medium size country, I absorb sayings and proverbs, “bad is a bird that soils its own nest” but also much more skeptical “a crow will not peck out an eye of another crow” (more colloquially, “Kurwa kurwie łba nie urwie”). It is fine to honor your own nest, but one should not become one of the crows that nobody can trust (as it will always side with another crow). But a more elaborate saying says that insufficient group solidarity may lead to a calamity, but in a larger scheme of things it may be for the better. It depends how you see your group in a larger context.

    • RoHa
      March 3, 2015, 6:05 am

      “It is the only place America can count on,”

      What can America count on Israel for?

      Certainly not for military support. As we have frequently noted, Israel has never sent Israeli forces to support US forces. The U.S. does not have the sort of useful bases in Israel that it has in Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

      (Though we know that Israel attacked a U.S. warship, and harassed U.S. Forces in Lebanon.)

      Intelligence? By the very nature of the business, difficult to say. We cannot be sure that that intelligence is any better than the intelligence the U.S. gets from Jordan, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia.

      (Though we know that Israeli intelligence did not save the U.S. forces in Beirut from the bombing, or the U.S. from the 9/11 attacks. We know that the Israelis spy on the U.S., steal U.S. technology, and sell U.S. technology to China.)

      Economic support? Hah!

      Diplomatic influence? America supports the country that is (officially) hated by everyone else in the region. Is that going to increase It is the only place America can count on, diplomatic influence in the ME?

      So it seems that America can count on Israel for nothing except to be a parasite and a millstone around its neck.

      • DaBakr
        March 3, 2015, 12:35 pm

        @rh
        America absolutely “counted” on Israel to stay OUT of the two coalition forces that were cobbled together to reconquer Kuwait and attack Saddam. It iOS disingenuous to state that the IDF’s absence from certain American led conflicts was not a result of Israel cooperating fully with the US

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 3:50 pm

        “It iOS disingenuous to state that the IDF’s absence from certain American led conflicts was not a result of Israel cooperating fully with the US”

        Sure, Dabakr, and you are fighting for the woman’s honor, which is more than she’s ever done.

      • RoHa
        March 4, 2015, 5:19 am

        You are right, DB. What’s more, the Israelis stayed out of Korea and Vietnam without even being asked to!

        So it looks as though Americans can depend on Israel for one thing.

        When it comes to the crunch, they can be sure the Israelis won’t be there.

    • sputter
      March 3, 2015, 1:27 pm

      Humanity is defined by its tribalism more than any other trait. As has always been the case, those who choose to wear their minority tribalism on their sleeves will be distrusted and eventually noticed during times of duress, regardless of any contribution or status. Don’t blame any group or yourself, blame mother-nature. Adapt. Don’t be the blooded chicken.

    • Mooser
      March 4, 2015, 2:23 pm

      Hopmi, I’m making arrangements to have your comment “The Phils Will Fall Away” engraved on copper-plate, no, laser-burned into titanium, so it can be saved forever.

      • hophmi
        March 16, 2015, 11:55 am

        Please do. The claim is well-supported by easily-accessible sociological data.

  12. broadside
    March 1, 2015, 7:51 pm

    Netanyahu should start his talk to Congress with palms open, and a simple, “My friends.” It would bring down the house. But by standing ovation number four — minute three? — things could turn ugly very very quickly.

  13. DaBakr
    March 1, 2015, 8:06 pm

    one of the great lessons many of the most thoughtful and perspicacious Jews gained from the rise from utter destruction out of ww2 was to never again feel the kind of guilt that obviously PW is so concerned about in the face of Jews rising to prominence (in ALL spheres not especially the ones Jews pioneered in the first place) in both American society and in other areas of the world and despite what a few prominent crackpots like James Baker, Jimmy Carter, Kissinger and a bunch of commenters here on mw think as well. Jewish guilt has not only never helped the Jews very much but never helped peoples of other nations either. Jewish ingenuity and will have -on the other hand helped millions of humans past, present and future.

    (and if another bunch of different type of crackpots who are bothered by the above and want to hurl insulting epithets around- well…..

    • eljay
      March 2, 2015, 8:21 am

      || DaBakreee: one of the great lessons many of the most thoughtful and perspicacious Jews gained from the rise from utter destruction out of ww2 was to never again feel the kind of guilt that obviously PW is so concerned about in the face of Jews rising to prominence (in ALL spheres not especially the ones Jews pioneered in the first place) in both American society and in other areas of the world and despite what a few prominent crackpots like James Baker, Jimmy Carter, Kissinger and a bunch of commenters here on mw think as well. ||

      One of the great lessons of WWII that Zio-supremacists completely missed was that “Never again!” must apply to all people. So what you have is crackpots like DaBakreee arguing that Jews have a right to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality that they would not have others do unto them.

      Zio-supremacists are hateful and immoral hypocrites.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 10:53 am

        “about in the face of Jews rising to prominence”

        Judaism in America is a voluntary association of like-minded people. Any person who styles them self (and legally, I’m pretty sure that’s all there is to it.) a Jew has the right to modify, attenuate, recreate, reconstruct, re-imagine and re-organize his or her relationship with the religion they espouse, or reject it entirely.
        Be careful what you ask of them, DaBakr. They may start to drop the pretexts and act like they know which side their challah is buttered on.

      • eljay
        March 2, 2015, 11:43 am

        || Mooser: Judaism in America is a voluntary association of like-minded people. Any person who styles them self (and legally, I’m pretty sure that’s all there is to it.) a Jew has the right to modify, attenuate, recreate, reconstruct, re-imagine and re-organize his or her relationship with the religion they espouse, or reject it entirely. ||

        Wait a minute, are you daring to suggest that each Jewish person can define on his own what his Judaism means to him? Are you actually saying that a Jewish person’s Jewishness is not determined by that person’s attachment to Zionism or the existence of a “Jewish State” in Palestine?

        What other crazy things are you going to say? DaBakr, hophmi and JeffB aren’t entitled to excommunicate you? You as a Jew are not equally responsible for the actions of Zio-supremacists? “Goal + methods” is not the definition of morality?

        C’mon, Mooser, who do you think you’re kidding?!

        ;-)

      • DaBakr
        March 2, 2015, 1:40 pm

        @[email protected]
        your like a child running around calling names which don’t surprise anybody except the most ‘outraged’ people in the world: MW commenters. Israelis offer help all over the globe to peoples who either need aid or solutions to technical/health problems which plague their people. We are not claiming to be any more or less of anything but human. We leave the name calling to such as you. A negotiated settlement of the i/p conflict will obviously not change your view of Israelis as ‘zio..supreme’ so why should it even be taken seriously

        and dragging out the centuries old conundrum of ‘what or who is a Jew, the nation/religion issue is obviously something some commenters here will never tire of. Again- one of the lessons learned from ww2 is to not give a shit about those who engage in the mediocre minded pseudo-intellectual hi-jinx of parsing what Jew ‘really’ means.

      • Kris
        March 2, 2015, 2:40 pm

        @DaBakr: “Israelis offer help all over the globe to peoples who either need aid or solutions to technical/health problems which plague their people.”

        Could you link to some sources? Other than very brief photo ops at disasters (think Haiti), and things to SELL ( “field tested weapons” and computer stuff) I’m not finding Israelis offering “help” to people needing “aid.”

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 3:26 pm

        “and dragging out the centuries old conundrum of ‘what or who is a Jew, the nation/religion issue is obviously something some commenters here will never tire of. Again- one of the lessons learned from ww2 is to not give a shit about those who engage in the mediocre minded pseudo-intellectual hi-jinx of parsing what Jew ‘really’ means.”

        Sure Dabakr! If you look at the designs of certain tribes from India, there are six-pointed stars all over them. Case closed, see you in the settlements!

      • eljay
        March 2, 2015, 3:32 pm

        || DaBakreee: @[email protected] your like a child running around calling names … ||

        Says the guy who calls people “crackpots”.

        || … Israelis offer help all over the globe to peoples who either need aid or solutions to technical/health problems which plague their people.

        Israelis have also been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians for over 60 years.

        || We are not claiming to be any more or less of anything but human. ||

        Except for when you proclaim yourself a “moral beacon” and a “light unto the nations”.

        || … A negotiated settlement of the i/p conflict will obviously not change your view of Israelis as ‘zio..supreme’ … ||

        1. Not all Israelis are Zio-supremacists. I’ve never claimed otherwise.

        2. Zio-supremacists will continue to exist:
        a) even if a just and mutually-beneficial peace is negotiated between Israel and the Palestinians; and
        b) especially if Israel continues to exist as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews – rather than as a secular and democratic Israeli state – a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      • DaBakr
        March 2, 2015, 6:51 pm

        @kris
        ever sent a text. in a disaster zone……

        @msr

        i read that a brilliant Iranian architect incorporated a traditional Persian design in the dome of a new mosque in Iran and it accidentally made 6-pointed stars show up. luckily-they just tore the tiles down and didn’t actually kill the man for collaborating with the ‘zionist entity’.*

        of course now-the ‘star’ has been imbued with magical Jewish power, yes?

        *and btw-read up on the history of the magen david. its really nothing more then a triangular yin-yang type of symbol that pre-dates the Israelites.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 7:24 pm

        “Wait a minute, are you daring to suggest that each Jewish person can define on his own what his Judaism means to him?”

        Unless Dabakr or Hophmi knows of some way to stop it.

        And he can also define, as Phil does here, not just what Judaism or Jewishness means to him, but also what he wants to mean to it.

      • DaBakr
        March 3, 2015, 5:54 pm

        @kris

        this was from a Nigerian news rag Amebo Times. you can look it up…or pretend it was made up by the Israelis……. and this is just the most recent example i could find

        “Mike Omeri, the spokesman of the national information center, says Israel has been supportive of Nigeria in the fight against insurgency.
        Omeri, who spoke to Jerusalem Post, said the Western Asian country has provided training and tools required to defeat Boko Haram.

        “Israel has been a crucial and loyal ally in our fight against Boko Haram,” he said.
        “It is a sad reality that Israel has a great deal of experience confronting terrorism and they have used that experience and unique expertise to assist us.”
        However, Omeri was diplomatic while responding to the relationship between Nigeria and the United States (US).
        “The American and Nigerian militaries have a long history of close cooperation, strategic alliance, and shared values,” he said.
        The Times of Israel had earlier reported that the United States was blocking Israel from selling arms to Nigeria.
        He added that Nigeria is simultaneously recapturing numerous territories, defending against new attacks on key areas and destroying bases of the insurgents.
        Boko Haram is estimated to have killed 13,000 people in a 5-year-violent campaign

      • Kris
        March 4, 2015, 2:32 pm

        @DeBakr: ““Mike Omeri, the spokesman of the national information center, says Israel has been supportive of Nigeria in the fight against insurgency.”

        Thanks, but I was thinking that what you meant by “Israelis offer help all over the globe to peoples who either need aid…” was more on the order of drying the tears of the widows and orphans, or helping the blind to see. Not helping to use violence in a vain attempt to solve problems that cannot be solved by violence. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/how-not-to-fight-islamic-extremism/article23235518/

        A good example of offering help to peoples who need aid would be what Cuba and Venezuela have done to prevent blindness by providing free cataract surgery to poor people throughout Central and South America. http://peoplesworld.org/cuba-s-operation-miracle-celebrated-throughout-latin-america/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8059287.stm

        Another good example is how Cuba educates low-income students from all over the world, for free, in its medical schools, if the students promise to serve in poor communities for a specified number of years. Or how Cuba sends health care workers–mostly physicians!–to poor communities all over the world, to live with and care for the poor.

        Treating other people with respect and compassion can work even for non-governmental entities. For example, Jimmy Carter and his foundation have been working since 1986 to eradicate a gruesome parasitic infection called Guinea worm disease. “Guinea worm disease struck about 3.5 million people worldwide every year in the 1980s. That number was down to 126 cases in 2014, raising hopes that the debilitating disease may soon become a page in history.” http://www.livescience.com/49426-jimmy-carter-guinea-worm.html

        President Carter doesn’t even have a poor country, like Cuba, or a rich country, like Israel, behind him, and yet see what he has been able to do for “peoples who need aid.”

        Not seeing any similar Israeli examples. Just saying.

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 10:57 am

      “one of the great lessons many of the most thoughtful and perspicacious Jews gained from the rise from utter destruction out of ww2 was to never again feel the kind of guilt that obviously PW”

      And the other thing we learned is that there is nothing, nothing in the world more powerful than Jews who work together and support each other! Oh, yes, and to always trust anybody who calls themself a Rabbi, “Jewish Leader” or Zionist. Oy yes, those were hard lessons, but we learned ’em.

    • Kris
      March 2, 2015, 7:55 pm

      Mayhem, thanks, but United with Israel and the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs aren’t credible sources. It seems to be true that Israel has given medical aid to Syrian fighters; Israel’s motives for this are unclear. And it is true that Jewish Americans give lots of money to charities, though the majority of these “charities” are in aid of Israel:

      “The Forward can now describe a Jewish apparatus that, despite extensive rhetoric about the importance of Jewish education, still dedicates the largest share of its donor dollars to Israel-related causes. It’s an apparatus that benefits massively from the U.S. federal government and many state and local governments, in the form of hundreds of millions of dollars in government grants, billions in tax-deductible donations and billions more in program fees paid for with government funds. And it’s an apparatus that requires vast resources to support itself, spending $2.3 billion a year on management and fundraising — and $93 million on galas alone.”

      http://forward.com/articles/194978/-billion-bucks-the-jewish-charity-industry-unco/?p=all#ixzz3THLFy6kE

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 9:16 pm

        “And it’s an apparatus that requires vast resources to support itself, spending $2.3 billion a year on management and fundraising — and $93 million on galas alone.”

        Hophmi, check your shoes, something stinks.

    • justicewillprevail
      March 4, 2015, 2:55 pm

      Ah yes, dabakerboy misses out the crucial region why Israel was so suddenly solicitous of Nigeria: to garner a vote in the UN against Palestinian statehood
      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/israel-nigeria-rwanda-un-vote-africa-liberman-jonathan.html#
      Looks like those efforts haven’t gone astray. Self-interest rules, nothing to do with humanitarianism.

  14. OyVey00
    March 1, 2015, 8:47 pm

    I think you’re deluding yourself.

    The Jews and shabbos goys in power have no intention to ever discuss, or even allow discussion about Jewish influence in the USA.

    The only reason that Netanyahu gets opposed by some Democrats now is that this guy is so shameless, that he tarnishes the facade of Israel as a peaceful pillar of human rights and humble ally of the US which the Jewish establishment has made Americans to believe for so long.

  15. OyVey00
    March 1, 2015, 8:50 pm

    Also these “diversity quotas” don’t affect Jews. Which is why there’s now more Jews in Harvard than Christian Whites.

    • tokyobk
      March 1, 2015, 9:57 pm

      I like much of Phil’s article but it is an invitation to the Vdare, occidental observer , and stormfront readers to come in with (a tidied up version) of their Jews and Shabbos Goy’s dribble.

      Jews are vastly over-represented by US population in the Ivy’s (about 24%) and White christians are underrepresented by same at Harvard, but are half the total student population. (Asians are also “over-represented”). Even the straight out racists use those numbers, not that OyVey00 will reflect or apologise. Please google.

      So why are Jews and Asians outperforming? Its a good question (subterfuge no doubt in the conspiratorial mind) but one I suspect is least well answered by the types who have only being of white Christian heritage to be proud of, and who player-hate any other group that is performing well (by the old WASP rules of promote one’s group first btw) in the here and now.

      There is nothing wrong with any particular group being powerful or excelling in a given area. People that grouse about it are often frustrated with their own or their groups lack of power, not power itself. Jewish power does not ave to be a bad thing. That said, all of Phil’s points about how Jewish power is wielded, are, imo and experience, at least somewhat valid.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 12:59 am

        So why all the upset about Phil’s article and the fact that Vdare or Stormfront might quote it? Is the article itself unfair? If so, then why worry? Is the truth to be denied because someone might distort it? Isn’t it better to share the truth rather than insist that ethnic solidarity demands that Jews must all agree with the likes of hophmi that Israel is the most wonderful place and Jewish individuals or groups have never sought power for their own selfish concerns or falsely claimed an intellectual or moral superiority or ever indulged in bigoted thought and word? Resentment is more likely to come when an ethnic or religious group refuses to acknowledge their own prejudices and failings. Resentment towards whites in general was no doubt much much higher when the majority of them refused to admit their own prejudices and how they negatively affected non-whites and refused to deal with the inequities. Why does a similar lesson not apply to Jews?

        Frankly Hophmi’s racist screeds here, particularly under this post, sound just as hateful as the average screed from the likes of white nationalists. How do you react to Hophmi’s attempts to shame Phil for being, in white nationalist parlance, a “race traitor”? Is it just a “shtick” of hophmi’s, like Shmully Hecht’s “shtick”, whereas when Vdare flips the scenario around its a dangerous situation? Refusal to see that racism or bigotry of any variety, including Jewish racism, exists and should be called out doesn’t solve the problem. You accept Jewish racism as a quirk or a “shticK” that you can dialogue with rather than something you should expose as wrong, lest hate groups learn that Jews aren’t a monolith.

        People that grouse about it are often frustrated with their own or their groups lack of power, not power itself.

        Sometimes, but in the case of Israel, the “grousing” has more to do with the abuse of power, and the refusal on the part of numerous powerful Jewish groups to even admit that they have power and are wielding it to commit immoral acts based on bigotry. I’m sure if Phil thought that Jewish power was a strong net positive in the world he would be trumpeting it rather than criticizing it. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, it is a strong net negative, and so deserves his criticism.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 2, 2015, 2:13 am

        Jews are vastly over-represented by US population in the Ivy’s (about 24%) and White christians are underrepresented by same at Harvard, but are half the total student population. (Asians are also “over-represented”). Even the straight out racists use those numbers, not that OyVey00 will reflect or apologise.

        are you planning on apologizing for using those numbers? just curious

        So why are Jews and Asians outperforming?

        i don’t think all the jewish students who make it into harvard are there because they outperform. doesn’t harvard and other ivy leagues have slots set aside for the children of alumni?

        http://www.educationsector.org/publications/college-admissions-corrupted

        Golden, a Harvard graduate himself, begins the book by describing how Harvard’s admissions policies favor the children of wealthy alumni. Children of the university’s “Committee on University Resources,” a group of alumni who typically donate $1 million or more to the school, enjoy near-guaranteed admission, according to Golden. The 340 members of the committee who have college-age children have sent 336 students to Harvard. Not bad odds.

        The book, which expands on a series of Wall Street Journal articles that won Golden a Pulitzer Prize in 2004, goes on to describe strategies other universities use that warp the admissions process. When Duke University, for example, initiated its effort in the ’70s to move into preeminent status, it consciously began to try to recruit a base of rich alumni like that enjoyed by Harvard and Yale. Each year, the development and admissions offices meet to identify wealthy students who based on their merits have been turned down for admission. And each year a significant number of those same students—the children of oil tycoons, software magnates, and other scions of new money— end up being admitted to Duke.

        People that grouse about it are often frustrated with their own or their groups lack of power, not power itself.

        i resent the implication rich kids got where they are because they are out performing. do you think bush got into princeton or harvard because he outperformed? please, what a farce.

        and it’s not just ivy leagues, ever read The Financialization of Education and Sonoma State University: http://www.projectcensored.org/the-financialization-of-education-and-sonoma-state-university-part-iii/

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 3:29 pm

        “People that grouse about it are often frustrated with their own or their groups lack of power, not power itself.”

        Thanks, Hophmi, for underlining how important it is for Jews to speak out on Zionism and Israel. I didn’t think so at first, but you have convinced me.

      • Keith
        March 2, 2015, 10:29 pm

        TOKYOBK- “I like much of Phil’s article but it is an invitation to the Vdare, occidental observer , and stormfront readers….”

        Ben, you fascinate me. As I recall, Phil met you at some Jewish social club at Columbia(?).
        You have a PhD in history, specializing in Asian(?) history. A putative “scholar” (Phil’s words). You seem to be trying for some sort of scholarly evaluation of Mondoweiss articles/comments, yet your peer group bias comes through loud and clear. If you adopt Phil’s perspective, you will be ostracized from from this group which forms a core of your identity. One consequence is that rather than objectively discussing the issues, you resort to name calling. Until I began commenting on Mondoweiss, I had never heard of stormfront until some East Coast Ashkenazi anti-Zionist implied that it was my inspiration. I had never heard of Vdare or occidental observer before your comment. Doesn’t it strike you as odd that websites which 99% of Gentiles have never heard of are so popular with Jews? Seeking out confirmation of victimhood, are you?

        Tokyobk: “Jews are vastly over-represented by US population in the Ivy’s (about 24%)…(Asians are also “over-represented”).

        Thanks for the info. We gentiles usually find out about this from Jews who keep close track of this sort of thing. Gentiles doing likewise would be labeled anti-Semites extolling tropes, etc. So, Jews who are 2% of the population account for 24% of the Ivy student body? That is a 12X ratio to population. Are Asians also over-represented 12 to 1? I doubt it. Who cares? Anyone who is interested in a just society rather than a caste system. One problem in most societies is the lack of social mobility resulting in a lack of diversity. Unless you believe that various groups are significantly different biologically (I don’t), then the perpetuation of an underclass and an elite class represents socially dysfunctional environmental factors. Yet, you, the scholar, seem less interested in examining this phenomenon than in justifying it.

        Getting back to the labeling and name calling. Perhaps you might consider educating us anti-Zionists on your version of historical reality, rather than dismissing us as anti-Semitic fans of stormfront. Surely you can conceive that we are merely misinformed rather than rabid Jew haters as Hophmi maintains. And you don’t want to lumped together with Hophmi, do you? Research should be right up your alley. In addition to Joan Peters and Alan Dershowitz, you should also consult Israel Shahak, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein and others, along with your own, unbiased research. The results may prove interesting.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 11:40 am

        “Yet, you, the scholar, seem less interested in examining this phenomenon than in justifying it. “

        Oh, there’s all kinds of work for the scholar. Some pays off better than others.

      • OyVey00
        March 3, 2015, 7:45 pm

        So why are Jews and Asians outperforming? Its a good question (subterfuge no doubt in the conspiratorial mind) but one I suspect is least well answered by the types who have only being of white Christian heritage to be proud of, and who player-hate any other group that is performing well (by the old WASP rules of promote one’s group first btw) in the here and now.

        While this is anathema to most leftists, the most straightforward explanation would be their higher IQ.

        That both Jews and Asians have a collectivist group mentality compared to the highly individualist White Americans surely also plays into this. A group of like-minded individuals working together will naturally be more successful than the average in an individualistic society.

        There is nothing wrong with any particular group being powerful or excelling in a given area. People that grouse about it are often frustrated with their own or their groups lack of power, not power itself. Jewish power does not ave to be a bad thing. That said, all of Phil’s points about how Jewish power is wielded, are, imo and experience, at least somewhat valid.

        A minority having power over the majority perverts the basic concept of democracy that America was supposedly founded upon. The only scenario where this wouldn’t be a problem is a utopia where all humans look out and care for each other as if they were best friends. Obviously we don’t live in such a world where benevolent kings or benevolent minorities can be trusted with exerting power over the rest of society and everyone benefits in the end.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 11:43 am

        “That both Jews and Asians have a collectivist group mentality compared to the highly individualist White Americans surely also plays into this” “OyVey00”

        “OyVey” you have no idea how bad it is! Did you know that Jewish and Japanese (and other high-performing Asians) are intermarrying freely!!

        What will the harvest of this be? Two like-minded, high-achieving groups, blended together with hybrid vigor! (Like a bunch of souped-up Toyata Prius’s!)
        What can we do?

        Or we will be condemned to a world of Gefilte Sushi?

        EDIT: You know what? I think I just responded to a comment which will disappear! Always makes me feel like I did something wrong when that happens.

      • Chu
        March 5, 2015, 10:37 am

        Tokyo,
        I think you were trying to spell drivel, not dribble.

        Phil, posted this excellent article about Asians and Jews by Ron Unz
        a couple of years ago. You should read it before you make your bigoted digs at wasps and all other Americans.

        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    • hophmi
      March 1, 2015, 10:58 pm

      Thanks again, Father.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 1:50 pm

        “Thanks again, Father.”

        I think Hophmi wants another.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 2:27 pm

        “Thanks again, Father.”

        Lox Vobiscum my son, go in peace whether it be to Minsk or Pinsk, or perhaps you will see a sign the road to damning us.

    • sputter
      March 3, 2015, 2:00 pm

      It could also mean Jews, among other groups, might have a greater cultural emphasis on higher education and professional status? Many other groups have backgrounds with historically broader goals of at least equal social consequence.

      • OyVey00
        March 3, 2015, 7:25 pm

        I wouldn’t have a problem with Jews outperforming Whites and other ethnic groups, if

        a) their success was solely based on merit

        and

        b) they wouldn’t use their acquired power in the intelligentsia to actively harm the other 97% of the population.

        a) is dubious at best, since the Ivy League admissions are completely intransparent and there is a lot of evidence for rampant nepotism among the Jewish elite.

        b) is outright negative, as the all-powerful zionist lobby proves. Supporting zionism and Israel is only in the interest of Jews and effectively harms all non-Jews in America by killing their soldiers, wasting their tax money and completely destroying the reputation of America as a nation abroad.

        As a counterexample to Jews, one can look at Japanese for example. Despite their large success in academics, do you know even a single remotely influential organization of Japanese-Americans who lobbies for Japanese nationalist policies in America? See, me neither.

      • hophmi
        March 3, 2015, 11:20 pm

        ” they wouldn’t use their acquired power in the intelligentsia to actively harm the other 97% of the population.”

        Thanks, Grand Wizard. Remember, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.

      • yonah fredman
        March 3, 2015, 9:44 pm

        oy vey- Attacking Jewish influence vis a vis the Israel lobby is totally acceptable. Attacking the Jewish acceptance rate in the Ivy Leagues puts you in the category of something akin to David Duke. Two totally different ideas. Can you prove nepotism is the cause? No. You’re just attacking the Jews.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 11:53 am

        “Thanks, Grand Wizard. Remember, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. “

        You two (Hophmi and Yonah) make me sick! Are you trying to say that Zionism is not the penultimate achievement of the Jewish people? Are you saying that, as I Jew, I can take no pride in Zionism, and can’t see it as Jewish normalization, and self-determination?

        Are you trying to delegitimize Israel! For shame! For shame, For Shame!

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 12:10 pm

        “It could also mean Jews, among other groups, might have a greater cultural emphasis on higher education and professional status?”

        Oy Gevalt it’s always about the balebatisheh yiden! Nobody else counts.

  16. Elliot
    March 1, 2015, 8:56 pm

    I recently attended a small, closed event of Jewish leaders where Israel was stye declared topic of the meeting. Most of the participants were downbeat about Israel and spoke openly about their fear that Israel was about to be destroyed. In my opinion they are deranged. I think post-traumatic is the kindest way of saying it. Although, why people born a generation or two after the Holocaust should be traumatized by an event that, in most cases, did not touch their families is beyond me. Most Jews today choose to be Jewish. If the trauma of being Jewish is too overwhelming, just choose to be something else; don’t take your Jewishness out on the Palestinians.

    • tree
      March 2, 2015, 1:26 am

      Good points, Elliott.

      I don’t think its trauma. Trauma is merely the excuse for pre-existing bigotry. “I can’t be a bigot because I’m a victim” even if he or she has only ever grown up in Israel as the legally dominant ethno-religious group, or in the US, where the discrimination against Jews was much less than the discrimination against any other non-Anglo-Saxon ethnic group, or against women. It’s a method of tribal adhesion through a culture of victimhood. Those who disagree are threatened with ostracism from the group.

      And, in any case, all ethnic and religious groups can likewise have members who are victims and members who are victimizers. And even bigots can be victims . They are not mutually exclusive despite widespread belief that they are.

      • seafoid
        March 2, 2015, 1:47 am

        Trauma drives how people receive information, Tree. And the more serious group traumas such as war can take generations to work themselves through a population.

        Many memes of Zionism are built around imminent annihilation. It suits the military industry and keeps the money flowing to the IDF instead of education, for example. It has kept YESHA going despite the insanity of the project.

        http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/rejected-parents-beliefs-identity-sexuality

        “Despite the terrible feelings of rejection a teenager might experience, one day they may be able to understand their parents’ point of view. If they are strict and inflexible – unable to move with the times or accept anything other than their values – this is probably the result of trauma: either their own trauma or transgenerational trauma – trauma passed on to them by their parents.

        When we are not traumatised, we can live fluidly in the present, responding to situations as they arise. But when traumatised, people stick to strict rules and codes, as though living in emergency mode, and they are fearful of deviating from these. So when they see their children being very different from them, they panic. In their belief system, to deviate from the rule book is to be cast out. And to be cast out is to be unsafe, and possibly to die. They are worried because they cannot imagine accepting you as you want to be, cannot imagine that it would be possible for you to be accepted anywhere. They may even fear that because you are different, they will no longer be accepted by their community”

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612763
        “The range of individual Israeli responses is vast. As a society, though, Israel shows the classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress: Being constantly alert for the next danger, which will be perceived as the original, overwhelming danger. Not only does the screech of a motorcycle sometimes sound like an air-raid siren, the instant response to a barrage of rockets is instinctually that we are threatened with annihilation, that we are once again utterly alone in the world, and that force is the only solution.
        This is one reason, not the only one, that the Israelis who most emphasize Jewish victimhood are often the ones who are most certain that we can only solve our problems militarily. You can’t reach arrangements with Nazis – so goes the thinking, sometimes explicit, sometimes implied – you have to defeat them totally.
        A 2009 Israeli election campaign video that has recently begun spreading online demonstrates such thinking: It shows Netanyahu standing in Ashkelon, where a missile fired from Gaza had fallen that morning. “We need action,” he proclaims. And the only effective action is “to shatter the Hamas regime in Gaza.” His opponent, Tzipi Livni, was part of the Kadimah government that failed to do so in Operation Cast Lead, he says, “but we will finish the job.” It’s all so simple: Just unleash the army.

        Netanyahu lives the dual fantasy of helplessness and unlimited power more than any Israeli politician since Menachem Begin. While Begin personally escaped the Holocaust, Netanyahu embodies second-hand trauma. “It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany,” summed up his perception of our enemies, between whom he refuses to make distinctions. His military threats against Iran expressed the hubris that is the opposite pole of the fantasy. Netanyahu’s contradictory tone of perpetual fear and overconfidence has resonated with a large piece of the Israeli public. He speaks what they feel. .”


        That second article by Gorenberg is really on the money.

        The mix of Shoah, 70 years of Zionist propaganda and OMG intermarriage must drive people over the edge.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 2:33 am

        Still not buying it, seafoid. There are numerous countries and hundreds of millions of people who have gone through horrendous wartime trauma. There is nothing special about Jewish trauma. And Jewish trauma does not need to, nor does it in all cases (or even necessarily in most cases), manifest itself in attitudes and acts of bigotry and violence. Its a cop-out.

      • seafoid
        March 2, 2015, 4:40 am

        Tree

        There is something about Holocaust trauma and Jewish otherness that mixed and produced what we see now. It is not just trauma although trauma is important in explaining what it is.

        Compare the Armenians or the Cambodians to the Zionists and I think the otherness is a key input in the dysfunction.

        Also Jews and power- they don’t seem to know how to use it sustainably.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 2, 2015, 12:08 pm

        Trauma is merely the excuse for pre-existing bigotry.

        but bigotry is not inherent it is a learned or passed on trait. and for the individual invested in it it may take a great deal of self awareness to uproot the infestation. i agree with seafoid that “traumas such as war can take generations to work themselves through a population.”

        many individuals who experience trauma or abuse pass it on, and some don’t. for some people who experience it early on it leads to multiple personalities or an unconscious split from reality which lasts their whole lifetime. while most people recover from trauma (it’s a natural part of life, the self healing process w/time) with group trauma it may be that a circular reinforcement is at play that perpetuates the trauma. and someone or someones could take advantage of that situation to stimulate the perpetuation of that trauma for their own ends.

        i think that’s what’s at play here. and i think we’re seeing a real fear and revving up of that stimulation/incitement precisely because the host generation of that trauma is facing extinction. therefore every single “witness” of that original trauma will be gone. there should be a group healing for future generations to eradicate the trauma, but instead there is the opposite. the seeding of an idea to internalize it, to never forget it and teach the children they are always at the risk of being preyed upon. that everyone from the outside hates them. and for a person who believes that to be true, the trauma is not an excuse, it’s their reality.

      • Bornajoo
        March 2, 2015, 1:18 pm

        I fully agree with that comment Annie.
        It’s not an excuse. But we have to acknowledge that children are not born bad. What they become is down to their parents, their environment, their teachers and what they are taught to believe. This is my own experience and what I have witnessed happening to others in my family.

        As you say this trauma should be long gone and healed by now but instead it’s being used as a weapon of indoctrination for the next generation and probably the one after that. That’s the real shame of it all

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 2:00 pm

        “As you say this trauma should be long gone and healed”

        Well, we don’t get to say that, it is true it’s multi-generational, and can redound for hundreds of years in a culture or religion. But after a generation or two, you do get to question the use that it’s being put to, without necessarily denying it exists.
        If they want to keep that trauma memorialized for generations, they better put it to a better use.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 2, 2015, 3:04 pm

        I don’t buy the ‘trauma’ argument either. If we’re talking about the holocaust, then it directly affects only a minority of American Jews. Most of them were safely in the US for at least a generation before the holocaust, and as Norman Finkelstein and the late Peter Novick have pointed out, most American Jews were not particularly ‘traumatised’ by the holocaust when it was actually taking place, or even for years afterwards. Indeed, it was only really after the 6 day war that the holocaust started to attain pride of place in American Jewish discourse, perhaps because victimhood was needed to ‘balance’ Israeli strength. What is it about Zionists and ‘balance’ eh?

        If we’re talking a more general, centuries long history of discrimination and oppression of Jews, then yes, obviously American Jews would have a collective memory of that. But they are hardly unique. Lots of groups – the Irish, the Armenians, Australian aboriginals, Native Americans, Palestinians, Roma etc etc etc – can cite any number of atrocities committed against their people. But for the most part, they don’t see themselves through the prism of Victimhood. So if contemporary American Jews are ‘traumatised’, it’s because they choose to be so. Nothing inevitable about it.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 4:18 pm

        annie

        but bigotry is not inherent it is a learned or passed on trait.

        I agree. I never said that bigotry was inherent in anyone. But trauma is not a necessary ingredient for bigotry to occur. The African Slave Trade was not the result of white European or American trauma, neither was the death of millions of Congolese under King Leopold the result of Belgian trauma. Both were the end result of learned bigotry and a handed down sense of superiority and entitlement, and a sense of fear of the “savages” they were oppressing. The whites in this case were not victims of trauma, although the bigotry itself may have cased some fear. If you think that others are your inferiors morally and intellectually then you would naturally fear them and fear giving them any power over their own condition.

        Everything that is happening today in Israel/Palestine was foreshadowed by what happened when the Zionists first launched their conquest of Palestine. It did not change abruptly because of something that happened nearly 50 years later. The bigotry, the sense of superiority over the native Palestinians, the fear of the native “robbers and murderers”, as the Arab Palestinians were often called by the newly arrived Zionist pioneers, the sense that Palestine belonged only to the Jews and that they had a right to take it back by force –all of that existed well before the Holocaust. And the Zionist attitude towards the European Jews was largely indifferent unless they had Zionist beliefs and could become productive members of the New Yishuv.

        Nothing seriously changed in the last 115 plus years in regards to the bigotry of Zionist Jews in Israel/Palestine. It was passed down through the generations well before the 1940’s. Calling it Holocaust trauma is a cop out that simply condones and excuses the learned and enforced bigotry. The majority of Israeli Jews are not victims of anything but their own hatreds.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 10:56 am

        “But we have to acknowledge that children are not born bad. “

        Some of us are! A gypsy women told my Mother, before I was born: “You got a boy-child coming, and he’s gonna be a son-of-a-gun!.

        And also, I was born under a bad sign and, frankly, was down before I began to crawl. If it wasn’t for bad luck…..

        Anyway, I gotta go, I just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in. Oh, the shape I’m in!

      • yonah fredman
        March 3, 2015, 9:48 pm

        Elliot comes from the ethnic group in question and thus his comments must be accepted. Those of you who won’t even fess up what ethnic group you belong to, and all your grandparents and great grandparents died in bed or in a hospital speaking on behalf of other ethnic groups, when your (hidden) ethnic group have skated through history, fooey on you.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 3, 2015, 10:04 pm

        and all your grandparents and great grandparents died in bed or in a hospital speaking on behalf of other ethnic groups, when your (hidden) ethnic group have skated through history

        what? who are you referring to yonah?

      • Annie Robbins
        March 3, 2015, 10:52 pm

        tree, excuse me for implying you didn’t know bigorty was a learned trait, that wasn’t my intention and i should have referenced my point about pre-exiting bigotry differently..like..since bigotry is a learned trait.etc.

        i disagree with about some of your other remarks.

        the sense that Palestine belonged only to the Jews and that they had a right to take it back by force –all of that existed well before the Holocaust.

        it existed, but not anywhere on the grand jewish cultural scale/sphere the way it exists today. most jews were not gang ho to run off and colonize palestine, far from it. but either way, elliot addressed a current situation happening today. and what i addressed pertained to that experience he related. when i spoke of someone or someones could take advantage of that situation to stimulate the perpetuation of that trauma for their own ends. i very much think this has been the case, since the holocaust and it’s impacted the generations since.

        i recalled something hannah arendt wrote (i read it here in the comments i think hostage quoted here but i can’t recall the quote so i will paraphrase. ) she said when a book was written about centuries of jewish victimhood, sometime around the 18th century as i recall, jews were shocked or expressed surprise their history would be recorded this way. i’m not sure this ‘jews as victims’ is a overriding theme that has always accompanied the culture (because many cultures could record their history primarily as a collection of all the abuse, ills and pains). but i do think that since the holocaust happened it’s been used and promoted, to ill effect, to perpetuate crime in palestine. so regardless of what kind of bigotry was around 115 years ago (and really, there is only one kind of bigotry) the bigotry embedded in the jewish culture today has been nurtured (carefully and by some with extreme intent) by the holocaust.

        Nothing seriously changed in the last 115 plus years in regards to the bigotry of Zionist Jews in Israel/Palestine

        but something big did seriously change in the last 115 years in regards to Zionist Jews in Israel/Palestine. and that something was the holocaust. i’m not seeing how there would ever have been that (enormous) influx of people willingly moving there if not for the holocaust (and the ensuing zionist incitement instigating arab immigration would likely have not happened either). so as it pertains to elliot’s story, to claim fear doesn’t exist as a result of it (the trauma), or as a result of generations keeping that fear alive, as well as the professional propaganda hacks making sure it stays alive and dragging it out and hammering the rest of us with it for decades now – it’s real. i believe for many the trauma is real. and that very real trauma that occurred back then has been excruciatingly manipulated, to instill bigotry in the next generation and the next, for the benefit of a nationalist cause.

        and there’s a reason to find hope in this. whatever it was driving colonization prior to ww2, is not the same as after. as i mentioned before, i think we’re seeing a … revving up of that stimulation/incitement precisely because the host generation of that trauma is facing extinction, the farther away from the host trauma, the more challenging it is to re-instill a manufactured fear in subsequent generations. people won’t buy it and we’re starting to see that happening now w/the youth. but the fear elliot talked about, for those people who were brought up that way and it stuck, it’s real. less and less all the time (imho), but for many it’s real.

      • philadelphialawyer
        March 3, 2015, 11:57 pm

        I agree with MDM and tree.

        “Trauma” or “PTSD” has very little to do with it. Most supporters of Israel in the US had little or no contact with the Holocaust. And, as was pointed out, the “Holocaust industry” in general did not even get rolling until twenty years after the fact, or more. As Finkelstein points out, in the immediate aftermath of WWII, and for the next 20 years, the tragedy was considered as a whole, and it was recognized that lots and lots of different folks had suffered…Jews, certainly, but also German leftists and intellectuals and principled Christians, Poles, Yugoslavs, American soldiers and sailors and airmen, Czechs, Russians, Britons, Italians, Frenchmen, Chinese, Filipinos, folks in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and, yes even civilians in Tokyo and Dresden and so on.

        That so many Jews in the USA, 60 years or more after the fact, who had no close relatives involved in the Holocaust, base their absurdly one sided views about Israel because of what happened in Europe in the mid Twentieth century defies belief. Its an excuse, not a real reason.

        And, has also been pointed out already, the premise of Zionism that the Arabs of Palestine just don’t matter was inherent in the project long before the Holocaust occurred. The Palestinians were, at best, non entities, and, more usually, inconvenient sub humans (in the eyes of the Zionists), from the very beginning and long before the Holocaust.

        Nor can any amount of general and historic anti Semitism justifiably be considered a “reason” for this attitude. Because, again, as has been mentioned already, lots and lots of groups, over the ages, and in the context of immigration to the USA, have been subjected to various kinds of persecution and discrimination. And, in the specifically US context, Jews were by no means the worst treated group, as that dubious “honor” has to go to either the Native Americans or the African Americans, and, as white Europeans, Jews probably have not been as mistreated as either Asian immigrants or Latinos (many of whom were not “immigrants” at all, as the USA came to them, rather than vice versa).

        Perhaps the Irish constitute the closest comparable group, in terms of the US immigrant experience. And while Irish Americans, many of them, anyway, retain some resentment for these by now past US woes, and for the longer experience of Irish oppression back in the Old World, still, they don’t tend to dehumanize other groups and act as if “they” were somehow the same as and somehow as responsible for the past woes as were the actual actors at the time (ie WASPS in early America and the English back in the British Isles). An Irish American (or an Italian American, etc) might be somewhat racist, and blame African Americans for all sorts of things in line with that racism, but they don’t act as if African Americans were the ones who helped precipitate the Potato Famine or hung out the “No Irish Need Apply” signs.

        And yet Jewish Americans, many of them, do act that way towards the Palestinians and towards Arabs and even Muslims generally. “They” are just like the Nazis. And because of the “trauma” inflicted by the Nazis, suck folks have a built-in “reason” or “excuse” for their bigotry, which must be treated by everyone else with kidd gloves.

        I think it is BS. And it is, in most cases, consciously understood to be BS. There is no “trauma” or “PTSD.” There is no actual reason to conflate the Palestinians with the Nazis, but it is done because it silences debate through some sense of generalized, Western-“goyish” guilt, because it keeps alive in the minds of third parties a false sense of mutual “victimhood,” and because it distracts from the real issues.

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2015, 4:36 am

        “when your (hidden) ethnic group have skated through history, fooey on you. ”

        The thirty years war was a delight for Germans. The Irish really needed that famine. the Chinese learnt a lot from that Great leap forward. Africans wouldn’t be where
        they are today without slavery. Aborigines really benefited from genocide. But the Jews have suffered so much. More than any other people.

        Pull the other one , Yonah

      • Bornajoo
        March 4, 2015, 4:48 am

        “The thirty years war was a delight for Germans. The Irish really needed that famine. the Chinese learnt a lot from that Great leap forward. Africans wouldn’t be where
        they are today without slavery. Aborigines really benefited from genocide. But the Jews have suffered so much. More than any other people.

        Pull the other one , Yonah”

        + 1 Seafoid!

        How dare you take his sole and exclusive claim to eternal victimhood away!!

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2015, 4:47 am

        Tree

        Israel reminds me of northern Ireland. Colonialism and dispossession plus trauma. In the case of ulster protestants it was the 1641 uprising. Continually beaten into children via education.

        Defining a sense of victimhood and fueling bigotry. Fear as the glue that holds a dysfunctional society together.

        http://www.northernrenaissance.org/re-membering-women-protestant-womens-victim-testimonies-during-the-irish-rising-of-1641/

        The Israeli education system is the same. the memes of persecution. Only the IDF can save us from the next holocaust. we have to kill as many as possible.

        Danon is Sephardi- look how he has swallowed the shoah kool aid

        A rational population couldn’t take those memes seriously.
        And Hebrew is Israel’s vector.

        Finkelstein’s mother and father taught him something that most Israeli jewish kids never get.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ

      • seafoid
        March 4, 2015, 5:01 am

        Bornajoo

        Yonah would never swap his gilded victim Jew status for life as a Puthirai Vannar in Tamil Nadu . Ever. Because he knows it’s bollocks. It’s so hard having a middle class job in finance in the West. the suffering is unimaginable.

        Haslam reports that, according to some Dalit activists, the psychology behind the caste system “is rooted in the Hindu scriptures, the Rig Veda and the writings of Manu. These are derogatory about Dalits, teaching that the Brahmin came from God’s head, the Kshatriya from his arms, the Vaisya his thighs and the Sudra his feet. Dalits do not figure and are therefore sub-human and polluted.” The fact is that, at the time of the scriptures, there were only four castes. All these were like parts of a human body, working together for the common good and all equally important. Over the following centuries the caste system came to be abused, and a fifth class of people – the Dalits – were identified.

        http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main13.asp?filename=Cr081305wretched_of.asp

        “Meet the Puthirai Vannars, the dhobis for the dalits of Tamil Nadu. A community that’s been suffering in silence for ages, in perpetual bondage to the dalits, and living in isolation as ‘outcastes’ on the fringes of dalit colonies. Denied human rights and self-respect, there is no political leader or party or democratic institution to speak up for them in this big democracy that is India. Condemned and mute, for centuries, they have been washing the clothes of the dalits, giving them haircuts, slaughtering dead cattle, and doing other menial jobs. To this day, they wash the bloodstained clothes of dalit women in labour, and the clothes of dalit girls who attain puberty. Worse, till a few decades ago, they were shunned as ‘unseeables’. It was a curse to even ‘look’ at them. In those days, the Vannars had to complete their work in the night and stay out of sight of the other castes in the daytime. If they ventured out during the day, they had to tie a coconut leaf to their body, which they pulled along wherever they went. The frond swept the ground and wiped out their footmarks. They could not even spit on the ground as the others did so routinely. Instead, they had to spit into a halved coconut shell, which hung from their necks. “This horrible practice had been in vogue for hundreds of years. It was the Justice Party that enacted a law abolishing it in 1932. Once declared illegal, the practice slowly faded out,” says TM Prakash, a social activist working among Puthirai Vannars in the dalit-dominated Tiruvannamalai district. Not much headway has been made after that landmark social reform. Today, an estimated two million people from this community are living in the state. “Though we are found in most districts, about 50 percent of the population lives in Virudhunagar, Villupuram and Tiruvannamalai districts. Our people are slaves of the dalits — to the Parayars in northern districts, to the Pallars in southern districts, and to the Arunthathiyars in western districts,” says SB Udhaya Kumar of Ramnad, an upcoming leader from the community. There is of course the daily allowance — again in kind. It is the traditional practice of Puthirai Vannars to go around the dalit homes, every morning and evening, begging for food. Rosamma from Cuddalore says, “We cry out standing outside the dalit houses, ‘amma, soru podunga amma’ (amma, please give some food.) They give us leftover food which we collect in a vessel.” For many, it’s a daily khichdi meal — of leftover food from dalit houses. Though in some villages this shameful practice has finally ended, in many others the tradition still continues. ” link to archive.tehelka.com “If given a choice, most Puthirai Vannar families would like to put an end to the practice of begging for food. They long for the day when they can cook at home, for it would give them a sense of self-dignity. But dalits don’t allow them to cook. The reason is not far to seek. When the Vannars beg for food, it destroys their self-worth. The tradition perpetuates the slave mentality, pre-empts and crushes a rebellious spirit. “It’s worse than the slavery that existed in the West,” says Professor A. Sivasubramanian, currently doing research on the community. “People bought the slaves there. To a certain extent, they were looked after well because the owners had to suffer losses if they fell sick or died. But the Vannars have no such advantages. Dalits treat them just as slaves but refuse to take their responsibility in terms of welfare.” In most ways, this social oppression is the mirror image of how dalits are treated by the upper castes all over India. Till date, in many villages, the Vannars cannot sit in front of a dalit. They are not allowed to take water from their street taps. “When there is a death in a dalit house, we have to perform special duties. We prepare the dead body and make the padai (burial cast). As people walk to the crematorium, we are required to spread sarees on the ground before them to walk on it. After the rituals are completed, we sit down wearing a white dhoti and the mourners drop coins on it,” says Santhappan of Velankani Nagar in Tiruvannamalai district. According to another tradition, the Vannars are required to carry the ‘theepantham’ (a flaming torch) during wedding processions. There is fire in their hand, and darkness within. Those defying this ancient heirarchy are repressed ruthlessly. There have been instances when Vannars in some villages have refused to beg for food. But they have either been forced to fall in line or driven out of the village. Rosamma of Elanthapet village in Cuddalore district decided to stop this daily house-to-house begging for food, and instead started cooking food at home. But she was forced to go back after direct threats from dalits. “They forced me to eat the leftover food,” she says. About two years ago, in Athanur in Villupuram district, a man was forced to eat leftover food by a dalit family. When he refused to eat, they chased him out of the village. The diktat is clear. If you are born a Vannar, you are destined for a predetermined way of life. Live as your ancestors did. Have no dreams or aspirations. Die everyday.” :”

        But Jewish suffering is obviously worse than this because it is a block of Jewish identity – therefore it must be.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 12:16 pm

        “Those of you who won’t even fess up what ethnic group you belong to,”

        Yonah, you really make me sick. What about me? So much of my family was killed in Europe, and we were so poor, that nobody knows who we are and which “ethnic group” we belong to. The family was blown apart and put back together so many different ways nobody really knows who anybody is. I just know I’m Jewish, but of course, you would deny me even that. Thanks, pal.
        So where does that leave me?

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 12:39 pm

        “your (hidden) ethnic group have skated through history”

        Skating, yes, and skiing, too! Yonah must be talking about Nordic peoples. Unless he means roller skates, of course.

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 1:54 pm

      “Although, why people born a generation or two after the Holocaust should be traumatized by an event that, in most cases, did not touch their families is beyond me.”

      Yeah, yeah, and I live in the midst of quite a few people who are still traumatized by the sexual revolution and the civil-rights laws. And taxes. In America, you can be traumatized by anything you can afford.

    • yonah fredman
      March 3, 2015, 12:49 pm

      Elliot- What do you think of people who were in the same time frame as the Holocaust who were traumatized by the event? I’m thinking specifically of Saul Bellow. I consider his move towards neo conservatism a result of the Holocaust (rather than old age and financial success) and his specific formulation of the shame of the Khurban as necessitating a masculine response (of militaristic Israel).

      I was raised with a heavy dose of Judaism, much heavier than the average American Jew. My people came over relatively late: in the 1920’s and in 1941. I am also born not long after the Khurban and branches of my family were lopped off and it was not that distant from the adults in my childhood life. So it could be that some Jew born in 1995, should in fact deal with it as ancient history.

      On the other hand, if a Jew is attracted to Judaism, that is, he finds something in the tradition that calls to him, that person will study the history and identify with something that occurred only 70 years ago. In the history of America 70 years is 30% of America’s total lifespan, but to a Jew who takes tradition seriously enough to make it a major focus of their lives, 70 years only represents 3.5% of the post Temple period.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 8:28 pm

        “and his specific formulation of the shame of the Khurban as necessitating a masculine response (of militaristic Israel).”

        Oh, I get it Yonah, when Israel thrashes somebody, you feel like more of a man. Good for you.

        And as far as that “masculine response” goes, I think I’ll just hold it right there. They have enough problems here.

  17. lobewyper
    March 1, 2015, 9:04 pm

    Jwalters wrote:

    “This is one of the most honest, fair-minded, and thorough articles I’ve ever read on this topic.”

    Totally agree! This post of Phil’s is going to be required reading in a lot of different places very soon and it is going to stimulate a great deal of discussion, especially in the Jewish community. (Wish it could also be published in the NYTimes or WaPost.)

  18. eljay
    March 1, 2015, 9:14 pm

    Norman Finkelstein’s mother, who survived the Nazi concentration camps, told him that the lesson of the Holocaust was that this should happen to no people.

    What the Zio-supremacists took away from the Holocaust was “Never again…unless Jews are doing it to non-Jews, in which case it’s ‘full steam ahead’!”

    Zio-supremacists are truly hateful and immoral people.

  19. Qualtrough
    March 1, 2015, 10:24 pm

    As soon as I read Phil’s piece I said to my self, “Hopfmi will be here in a moment to shout self-hating Jew.” Thanks Hopfmi, I am batting a 1000 with you.

    • hophmi
      March 1, 2015, 10:59 pm

      What can I say? It’s the truth. Glad to oblige you.

      • pjdude
        March 2, 2015, 12:29 am

        no its a personal attack because your to small minded to allow any jew to think for themselves. you demand absolute alligience to a militeristic and violent ideology. phill doesn’t hate him self or jews that obvious to any honest human being but unlike you he doesn’t think that promoting hate and violence is the way forward.

      • tree
        March 2, 2015, 1:32 am

        Hophmi’s the Jewish equivalent of a white nationalist, decrying Phil as a “race traitor” for criticizing immoral behavior when it is committed or condoned by other Jews. Apparently Hophmi thinks that Jews don’t have any self-identity outside of being Jewish. In other words, he’s the anti-semite, not Phil.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 11:54 am

        ” you demand absolute alligience to a militeristic and violent ideology.”

        That’s what makes it so absurd. If you want to promote allegiance to an ideology which demands mortal sacrifice of one’s self or others, you need some kind of strong disciplinary power. I don’t think that Judaism has that power.

        All Zionism has to do to collapse among American Jews is to go out of fashion.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 12:58 pm

        “Hophmi’s the Jewish equivalent of a white nationalist, decrying Phil as a “race traitor” for criticizing immoral behavior when it is committed or condoned by other Jews.”

        That’s funny, Hophmi seems to see himself as MLK Jr. fighting for the rights of an oppressed minority! Gosh, it’ll be sooo hard to figure out which is the more apt metaphor, or simile. Simile, darn ya, simile!

  20. Kay24
    March 1, 2015, 10:25 pm

    One of your best Phil. It was very, very interesting reading, and you have been able to capture exactly how the Jewish people think, and the fears they must have.

    If a people who have had a history of violence and genocide against them, are told ad nauseam, that the world is out of get them, that they are constantly under threat, in danger, and that bogey men are out there to destroy them, they will automatically think and act that way.
    The true victims of the Holocaust live their quiet lives, and have been neglected by their government in Israel. Something is wrong here. They have been used as an example for what could happen again, by their leaders, to perpetrate crimes against civilians, and keep a brutal occupation going. This attempt by Netanyahu to link the Iranians with the Holocaust and Hitler, is so unfair, yet, typical of the zionists, to make their own people afraid, and get political advantage and unwavering support from those who support them. These two words have always had a powerful and prompt response, from those they seek help from. The zionists have used the past to justify what they do presently. It is a shame that had things been different, no occupation, no massacres, no blockades, no land theft, and certainly no conniving to cause trouble around the world, the world would have been more supportive of Israel. Israel is one of the most disliked nations in the world for all the above reasons. Not because of the Jewish faith or people. I have traveled to many parts of the world and many say the same thing – Israel is dangerous, devious, and at the bottom of all the mischief going around that region.

    As for the American people and their support – looking at how influential Jews are in every aspect of the business world, media, think tanks, and academia, it is no surprise that Americans are under the illusion that Israel is the victim, the side that always suffers, the one who is constantly defending itself (mostly from unarmed civilians), and need support and help badly.
    Americans have this drummed into their minds, on a daily basis. Those like us are able to see through this (successful) ruse, and grand plan. There are many genuinely good Jewish people all over the world, but unfortunately, their voices are drowned by the zionist megaphone.

    As long as zionism flourishes, so will the negativity against Israel from around the world.
    It is a shame that zionists have linked all Jewish people to zionism, and the world sometimes cannot now see the forest from the trees.

  21. Kay24
    March 1, 2015, 11:04 pm

    In town, Nutty Netty and Spendthrift Sara are making their “royal” visit. Now we can sit back and watch their devoted slaves fall over each other to shower them with unwavering love. Love and support that they are not showing to their own President. He would most probably be taking the opportunity to score points with the voters in Israel. Could some journalist with a spine ask some challenging questions, please?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/01/benjamin-netanyahu-congress-speech_n_6780318.html

  22. seafoid
    March 2, 2015, 2:37 am

    “It turns out that Jewish establishment behavior can be just as nauseating as the Rockefeller establishment was in its day.”

    Or as sickening as Tammany Hall. None of them last. Overreach.

    How much weight, how much weight and they get too smug and they lose their touch and then it’s too late

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUErh47sao

  23. eGuard
    March 2, 2015, 3:30 am

    In 2002 when he came over to push for war in Iraq, he could have stayed in the Blair house. Not this time.

  24. talknic
    March 2, 2015, 6:52 am

    Were it not for the US UNSC veto vote, Israel would have been a failed state long ago, taking with it billions in investments. That’s the fear

    From the moment its borders were proclaimed effective, Israel has never been able afford the legal consequences of having broken the law by dispossessing its non-Jewish citizens and illegally claiming and settling territories it conquered and held under occupation by 1949 and the territories it conquered in ’67 and holds under occupation today.

    The fear of another Holocaust, existential threats etc are the ‘look every but techniques’ used by propagandists, magicians and charlatans to garner support

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 11:58 am

      “From the moment its borders were proclaimed effective, Israel has never been able afford the legal consequences of having broken the law by dispossessing its non-Jewish citizens and illegally claiming and settling territories it conquered and held under occupation by 1949 and the territories it conquered in ’67 and holds under occupation today.”

      Bing-freaking-o! You have hit the bulls-eye, rung the bell, placed the hoop neatly around the neck of the bottle, and are entitled to cigar, coco-nut or stuffed dromedary, winner’s choice.
      I’d like to wear my bosom to a nub taking that sentence to it, if you get my drift.

      • talknic
        March 4, 2015, 1:12 pm

        WOW!! I wouldn’t be seen dead wearing a bosom!

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 2:36 pm

        “WOW!! I wouldn’t be seen dead wearing a bosom!”

        Oh, I’ve got a hell of a rack, in season. Besides, it draws attention away from my dewlap.

      • Mooser
        March 4, 2015, 9:08 pm

        This place is rough. I respond to compliment one of my favorite commenters, for giving us succinctness like Mother used to make, and I get slagged for wearing falsies! I’m telling you it’s ruthless around here.

  25. notatall
    March 2, 2015, 8:19 am

    Phil writes: “A group doesn’t see half its population wiped out in Europe in a genocide without deep scarring.”

    The fatal flaw: So long as Jews throughout the world think they are part of the same “group” (other than the human race, to which all belong), their ability to oppose zionism will be limited. I prefer Rosa Luxemburg to Phil:

    “What do you want with these special Jewish pains? I feel as close to the wretched victims of the rubber plantations in Putamayo and the blacks of Africa with whose bodies the Europeans play ball… I have no special corner in my heart for the ghetto: I am at home in the entire world, where there are clouds and birds and human tears.”

  26. Bornajoo
    March 2, 2015, 8:25 am

    I’ve seen first hand over nearly 3 decades just how zionists pass down this trauma through to the younger generations. I’ve observed it happening with members of my own family from when they were very young kids to how they are now. And this family has no connections with anyone who was involved with the Holocaust.

    Kids are brainwashed with a mixture of chosen people/everyone’s an anti semite/out to get you as soon as they get the chance. Zionist parents, Jewish schools, Summer camps and visits to Israel, Auschwitz and hanging around almost exclusively in each others’ company. They grow up paranoid, misinformed and xenophobic. They have an irrational attitude of defiance, of perceived threats that don’t exist and they seem to lose all empathy for anyone else on the planet who isn’t a Jew. Jews are the eternal victims and at the same time somehow perfect people who can do no wrong . So anyone who accuses them of anything bad must simply be an anti semite or if that accuser is Jewish then they are labelled a self hating Jew.

    Hophmi makes me laugh. In Hophmi’s world, Phil Weiss is not allowed to be a decent human being by pointing out that Israel/Zionists are treating the Palestinians in a very bad way. No that simply cannot be true. The only reason why Phil Weiss is doing that is because Hophmi believes he is suffering from a “disease”:

    “Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how small it is.”

    So Phil, just in case you didn’t realise it, you need to know that the Zionists and their supporters are doing absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. You are apparently afflicted with a disease which is making you a self hating Jew and that’s the whole problem!

    Hophmi, do you think that ANYONE here would be bothering with any of this if terrible crimes weren’t being committed against the Palestinians? Do you think anyone would still be on the case if Israel had done the right thing decades ago? Do you think that all these people would still be here just to give the Zionists (even though you hear Jew when you see that word) a hard time because that’s what everyone else who isn’t a Jew does? And that’s because deep down we are all really anti semitic?

    Give us all a break Hophmi! Stop the horror, the terror and the injustice and we’ll all go away, promise!

    The only disease is the one that you people pass down through the generations.

    • bintbiba
      March 2, 2015, 9:02 am

      “Give us a break Hophmi ! Stop the horror, the terror and the injustice and we’ll all go away,
      promise !

      Perfect comment, Bornajoo !

    • Kay24
      March 2, 2015, 12:11 pm

      Good comment Bornajoo. It is definitely brainwashing and making the young Jewish kids drink that koolaid. They grow up being paranoid, suspicious, and justifying all Israel’s violence, by claiming it’s leaders are protection the zionist nation.

    • ziusudra
      March 2, 2015, 12:22 pm

      Greetings Bornajoo,

      You’re hot today, Bornajoo!
      ziusudra

    • Stephen Shenfield
      March 2, 2015, 1:04 pm

      Well said.

      Many American Jews who claim to be traumatized by the Holocaust despite the lack of any real personal connection to it are indeed traumatized — let us grant them that much. Not by the Holocaust itself, however, but by a CULT of the Holocaust that deliberately perpetuates and sanctifies the horrifying images of that receding fragment of the past.

      This cult exploits the not very well known phenomenon of secondary trauma — the trauma induced by witnessing the suffering of others. For example, journalists, aid workers, and other outsiders in a zone of war, plague or famine are often traumatized by what they see. This is why we should not allow children to view graphic films of such horrors, although this is precisely what “educators” working for the Holocaust Cult do (so that they will “know who they are”).

      It has been frequently pointed out that with the decline of religious faith the Holocaust and Israel have become central to (post-?)Jewish identity. And within this recast identity the Holocaust has come to occupy the leading role, with Israel assigned the derivative roles of refuge from the last Holocaust (though it wasn’t) and beachhead for desperate resistance to the Holocaust-to-come. So except for surviving old-timers like our good friend Mooser it is now adequate to define “Jew” as “a victim and perpetuator of the Holocaust Cult.”

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 6:20 pm

        “So except for surviving old-timers like our good friend Mooser it is now adequate to define “Jew” as “a victim and perpetuator of the Holocaust Cult.”

        Oh, most people manage to survive me. I haven’t killed or seriously injured anybody yet, and I doubt I will.

    • hophmi
      March 2, 2015, 1:08 pm

      “Kids are brainwashed with a mixture of chosen people/everyone’s an anti semite/out to get you as soon as they get the chance. ”

      Well, I grew up in one of the largest Jewish neighborhood in the United States. And while there are certainly some people who think this way (and who could blame them given the last 150 years of history), they are basically limited to right-wing religious Jews, who are a minority int he American Jewish community.

      “Zionist parents, Jewish schools, Summer camps and visits to Israel, Auschwitz and hanging around almost exclusively in each others’ company.”

      Comparatively few Jews, even orthodox ones, travel to Auschwitz, but learning about the Holocaust is obviously a major part of Jewish communal learning, since, most Eastern European Jews either have a relative who was murdered or know someone who does. This is part of the Jewish people’s history.

      “They have an irrational attitude of defiance, of perceived threats that don’t exist and they seem to lose all empathy for anyone else on the planet who isn’t a Jew.”

      That’s simply untrue in my experience. The Jewish community I grew up in was a religious one. I attended day school. The day school I attended, like most Jewish day schools, had an extensive chessed (community service) program.

      “Jews are the eternal victims and at the same time somehow perfect people who can do no wrong . ”

      I’ve never once heard another Jew suggest that Jews are perfect people or that Jews are “eternal victims.” The fact of the matter is that Jews have often been victims in Western history.

      “Hophmi makes me laugh. In Hophmi’s world, Phil Weiss is not allowed to be a decent human being by pointing out that Israel/Zionists are treating the Palestinians in a very bad way.”

      As usual, you don’t read. I’ve never said that Phil has no right to criticize Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. What I have taken issue with is the matter in which Phil criticizes American Jewry, particularly his overall critique of the American Jewish community as a privileged elite that does not have America’s best interest at heart. Regrettably, Phil’s ranting often mimics classic antisemitic tropes. It is quite common for people who belong to minorities that have long histories of persecution to internalize that persecution and to regurgitate it. Phil does that often, in my view, because he is uncomfortable with who he is. He has trouble embracing the idea of Jewish political consciousness unless it is identical to radical political consciousness. He has trouble embracing Jewish practices to the point of pillorizing others who choose them, even as they respect his choice not to adopt them. He pillorizes his people for being “chosen,” and then insists on holding them to a much higher standard than everyone else when it comes to the exercise of power and national sovereignty. He takes his insecurities and advances them onto everyone else.

      “Stop the horror, the terror and the injustice and we’ll all go away, promise!”

      I don’t believe you, not for a second. You won’t go away until Israel no longer exists.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 2:09 pm

        “I don’t believe you, not for a second. You won’t go away until Israel no longer exists.”

        Because, without “the horror, the terror and the injustice” Israel could not exist in any form acceptable to you. Thanks, got it.

      • Bornajoo
        March 2, 2015, 2:57 pm

        “I don’t believe you, not for a second. You won’t go away until Israel no longer exists.”

        Thanks Hophmi. That’s the whole problem right there. You confirmed my point.

        And don’t forget the other old chestnut about how you can’t just give the Palestinians their independence because they would immediately slaughter all the Jewish Israelis. I hear that one very often too.

        Actually all they want is to lead a normal life just like everyone else. That’s what they yearn and crave for

        And if you give them that I really will go away.

        You have it so, so wrong

      • Keith
        March 2, 2015, 5:50 pm

        HOPHMI- “And while there are certainly some people who think this way (and who could blame them given the last 150 years of history)….”

        Based upon your parenthetical comment, it is clear that you are one of those people who “think this way.”

      • RoHa
        March 3, 2015, 6:38 am

        “What I have taken issue with is the matter in which Phil criticizes American Jewry, particularly his overall critique of the American Jewish community as a privileged elite that does not have America’s best interest at heart. Regrettably, Phil’s ranting often mimics classic antisemitic tropes. ”

        In short, Phil says that American Jews are not loyal members of the American nation. Hophmi condemns this claim as “antisemitic”, and even hint that it may be false.

        “He pillorizes his people for being “chosen,” and then insists on holding them to a much higher standard than everyone else when it comes to the exercise of power and national sovereignty.”

        By “his people”, does hophmi mean American Jews or Jews in general?

        If the former, they have no national sovereignty per se, but only share in the sovereignty of all Americans. And calling on them to be loyal Americans is hardly holding them to a higher standard.

        If the latter, then homphmi is suggesting that Jews (including American Jews) are not part of the nations they live in, but a separate nation. This is the sort of “antisemitic trope” he condemned earlier.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 11:00 am

        Gosh, didn’t Hophmi grow in New York State, or at the very least, the US? And didn’t Bornajoo grow up in Israel, or live there for quite some time?

        Gosh, whom shall I believe, concerning Zionism?

    • Mooser
      March 2, 2015, 1:09 pm

      “Hophmi, do you think that ANYONE here would be bothering with any of this if terrible crimes weren’t being committed against the Palestinians? Do you think anyone would still be on the case if Israel had done the right thing decades ago?”

      Thanks Bornajoo, you saved me a rant.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 11:45 am

        “Do you think anyone would still be on the case if Israel had done the right thing decades ago? “

        Exactly, if they had done that all we could do about Israel is laugh uproariously when somebody suggests we visit the place. But that’s about all.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      March 2, 2015, 3:14 pm

      ”Kids are brainwashed with a mixture of chosen people/everyone’s an anti semite/out to get you as soon as they get the chance. Zionist parents, Jewish schools, Summer camps and visits to Israel, Auschwitz and hanging around almost exclusively in each others’ company. They grow up paranoid, misinformed and xenophobic. They have an irrational attitude of defiance, of perceived threats that don’t exist and they seem to lose all empathy for anyone else on the planet who isn’t a Jew. ”

      Are things really that bad among British Jews, bornajoo?

      My impression was that, aside from the odd fanatic like Jonathan Freedland or good ol’ Maureen Lipman – most British Jews were much better integrated and much less ‘tribalist’ than their US counterparts.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 3:46 pm

        “– most British Jews were much better integrated and much less ‘tribalist’ than their US counterparts”

        Ach you know how it is, in the US the balebatisheh yiden have time to cultivate trauma. A balegoola like me has to earn a living, and get along.

      • Bornajoo
        March 2, 2015, 3:56 pm

        @mdm
        Did you see the question time segment with Jonathan Freedland and Galloway? That unruly Jewish mob in the audience could have been my own family.

        I was over generalising and should have qualified what I stated. I was referring to the ‘trauma industry’ of Jewish kids who go through the whole system; Jewish zionist parents, Jewish faith schools and come out the other end very pro israel and very zionist. I think the youngsters are a bit more radical than the previous generation. That’s my own personal experience from the ones I have met

        Generally, the vast majority of Jews I know here are generally pro israel and I’m definitely in the minority (but there’s still quite a few of us!) . I’ve met Jews over the years who you would assume would have a balanced view on the i/p conflict due to their education, background and views on everything else. But when this topic comes up more often than not you get the usual dose of hasbara. Jonathan Freedland is a case in point… And Maureen Lipman

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 2, 2015, 4:03 pm

        Yes, I saw the Question Time you refer to. If that baying mob had been Muslims harassing a Zionist politician rather than Jews shouting down an anti-Zionist, we’d never hear the end of it.

        Your comment is interesting though. I don’t know many British Jews so don’t have much first hand knowledge – the last one I met was when we went on a protest removing Israeli produce from Tescos lol! So obviously anti-Zionist British Jews do exist. But for every Alexei Sayle there are probably ten Maureen Lipmans. Depressing thought.

  27. Laurent Weppe
    March 2, 2015, 8:44 am

    I thing that another major reasons for AIPAC & co’s influence were the notions that:
    Israel’s existence was useful to each and every Jew.
    attacking Israel’s leadership jeopardized the israeli polity’s very existence.

    So long as these postulates were accepted at face value, you didn’t even need to use much bribe or threats to get politicians on board: anyone disgusted by the Holocaust would have had at least a modicum of sympathy for AIPAC’s arguments.

    But the more the facts that:
    Israel’s rulers serve the interest of their own patrician class while being so patently callous about the fate of the jewish plebeians that they’re pretty much letting them starve.
    Israel’s ruling class is increasingly becoming a den of mobsters whose top dog fires every competent man who refuses to cravenly approve his every whim, turning the state’s security apparatus into a court of sycophants.
    become common knowledge, the harder it is to stir tribal loyalty from within the jewish community and sympathy for without: someone disgusted by the Shoah who finds that the “Never Again” argument has merit is not going to look approvingly at crooked politicians whose policies’ long-term result will be to create millions of desperate refugees fleeing a revanchist erstwhile oppressed people once Israel collapse under the weight of its rulers’ corruption.

  28. Kathleen
    March 2, 2015, 8:54 am

    Phil “A post traumatic community operates out of fear” “Jews have long been embarrassed by our high status because it fosters resentment”

    Phil this is where I believe you expose your what I believe could be deep seated elitism…. . I understand why many in the Jewish community suffer from post traumatic conditions. However I believe what most people resent is the abuse of power. Serious and destructive abuse of power. Generally only operating for the welfare of one group of people. There have been wealthy and privileged people who operate out of sense of equanimity. It is the abuse of power and status that most people object to. Control of legislation, real estate (as you pointed out), businesses, governments etc.

    Don’t agree with you at all on the Mearsheimer comment Believe the horrific occupation and slaughter of Palestinians gets to Mearsheimer’s core. Have talked with him in person

  29. Kathleen
    March 2, 2015, 9:34 am

    Phil “A post traumatic community operates out of fear” “Jews have long been embarrassed by our high status because it fosters resentment”

    Phil this is where I believe you expose your what I believe could be deep seated elitism…. again. I understand why many in the Jewish community suffer from post traumatic conditions. However I believe what most people resent is the abuse of power. Serious and destructive abuse of power. Generally only operating for the welfare of one group of people. There have been wealthy and privileged people who operate out of sense of equanimity. And then there are those that do not. Whether that abuse of power is taking place in Saudi Arabia or in the halls of the U.S. congress people will feel resentment It is the abuse of power and status that most people object to. Control of legislation, real estate (as you pointed out), pay scales, checkpoints, busting into homes, intimidating children, businesses, governments etc.

    Don’t agree with you at all on the Mearsheimer comment Believe the horrific occupation and slaughter of Palestinians gets to Mearsheimer’s core. Have talked with him in person

    • seafoid
      March 2, 2015, 10:13 am

      The angle that Phil didn’t mention is finance. The last 4 heads of the Fed have been Jewish.
      1 dollar out of every four earned in the US goes to the top 0.1%. Many of the big hedge fund managers who pay themselves tens of millions are Jewish. There is a lot of rent seeking going on and money gets shunted over to Israel and anyone who says anything gets their career destroyed. It’s not just Jews who are creaming it but there are enough who do.

      Meanwhile ordinary Americans haven’t got pay rises for years. Labor repression is real.
      And the financial system will probably crash again shortly

      • hophmi
        March 2, 2015, 12:45 pm

        “The angle that Phil didn’t mention is finance. The last 4 heads of the Fed have been Jewish. 1 dollar out of every four earned in the US goes to the top 0.1%. Many of the big hedge fund managers who pay themselves tens of millions are Jewish. ..Meanwhile ordinary Americans haven’t got pay rises for years. Labor repression is real.”

        And here we go. Antisemitism – the communism of fools. There are wealthy Jews, and they are keeping down “ordinary Americans.” It’s just amazing how this filth keeps repeating itself.

      • Citizen
        March 2, 2015, 3:18 pm

        Bill has passed House, now in Senate, to allow derivative operators to steal US bank depositors’ account funds. Media not reporting.

      • seafoid
        March 2, 2015, 9:31 pm

        Hoppy

        It’s not just Jews but when the system crashes again for the big kahuna of neoliberalism what side are the bots going to be on ?

    • hophmi
      March 2, 2015, 10:26 am

      “However I believe what most people resent is the abuse of power. Serious and destructive abuse of power. Generally only operating for the welfare of one group of people. ”

      Again, this is such a classically antisemitic trope; Jews care only about Jews and not about the people in the countries in which they live. This bigotry has such a long history, and it’s so completely tendentious to anyone who knows anything about the American Jewish experience or American Jewish history. This is only ever an argument you hear used against minority groups, whether they are Jews, Catholics or African-Americans. It’s anti-American and it’s bigoted.

      • eljay
        March 2, 2015, 11:22 am

        || Kathleen: However I believe what most people resent is the abuse of power. Serious and destructive abuse of power. Generally only operating for the welfare of one group of people. ||
        || hophmeee: Again, this is such a classically antisemitic trope; Jews care only about Jews and not about the people in the countries in which they live. ||

        The wind stirs a fallen leaf and hophmeee cries “Anti-Semitism!” Serious and destructive abuse of power by a group of people to benefit a group of people is morally wrong, regardless of which group of people does it.

        Leave it to a Zio-supremacist to defend serious and destructive abuse of power.

        || hophmeee: Again, this is such a classically antisemitic trope; Jews care only about Jews and not about the people in the countries in which they live. … It’s anti-American and it’s bigoted. ||

        What’s anti-American and bigoted in the U.S. is a hard reality in the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel…and in the non-Israeli (i.e., outside of Partition borders) territory the “Jewish State” has been occupying and colonizing for over 60 years.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 12:10 pm

        “Again, this is such a classically antisemitic trope; Jews care only about Jews and not about the people in the countries in which they live.”

        So, let me see, Hophmi. In Israel, which is supposed to be the primal, and primary Jewish experience (see Phillip Roth, “Portnoy in Israel”) how have the Jews expressed their concern for those not Jewish? And why, since Zionism is the ultimate expression of authentic Jewishness, would Jews everywhere else not emulate what Israel and Israelis do, to the extant they are able, being a minority, of course?
        But Israel and Zionism shows what we can do at our best, I thought?

      • hophmi
        March 2, 2015, 12:51 pm

        “Serious and destructive abuse of power by a group of people to benefit a group of people is morally wrong, regardless of which group of people does it.”

        But Kathleen said Jews do it. Just as generations of antisemites before her have. And just like past generations, she offers not an iota of proof that her assertion is accurate. Mooser, predictably, changes the subject to Zionism. But Kathleen didn’t say anything about Zionism. She talked about Jews being for themselves before they’re for the country they live in. That’s how antisemites talk; that’s how they’ve always talked. And I keep thinking of all that American Jews have contributed to American society, and I wonder how people like Kathleen could be so stupid, let alone so hateful.

      • Kris
        March 2, 2015, 1:15 pm

        I would love your thoughts on this, hophmi:
        http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/twilight-zone/.premium-1.644372 A little boy came home from kindergarten only to find that Jewish Israelis had destroyed his house. His father found him searching the rubble that had been his home, looking for his special teacup.

        I can’t think about this without tears, because I see my little grandson in this Palestinian child. I see my own children, whose lives have been enriched by professional and graduate educations , in the Palestinian students whose chances to study abroad were destroyed by the Zionist Jews. I see my elderly parents in the Palestinians who treasure the keys of the houses they were driven from by the Zionist Jews. I see myself in the Palestinian women crying all alone on their bombed out homes. I see my husband in the Palestinian men humiliated by Zionist Jewish thugs at the checkpoints. I see my daughters-in-law in the Palestinian girls whose children are harrassed by Zionist Jewish “settlers,” and whose babies die because Zionist Jews prevent access to medical care, good nutrition, clean water, and decent housing.

        People all over the world are seeing themselves in the Palestinians victims of Israel. There are more than 70 years worth of heartbreaking stories about the vicious cruelty of Zionist Jews, and now everyone worldwide can access them on the internet.

        Israel and its posse constantly remind us all that these Israeli Jews are acting on behalf of all Jews worldwide. “Jews care only about Jews and not about the people in the countries in which they live” is demonstrated by Zionist Jews every single day. (Check out Kate’s column.)

        If Israel represents all Jews, then all Jews are heartless predators; that is the lesson Israel is teaching the world. Why is Israel promoting antisemitism?

      • Kris
        March 2, 2015, 2:01 pm

        I’ll add this, in case you can’t get past the haaretz paywall: “Coming Home from Kindergarten to Discover Israel Demolished Your Home.” http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/twilight-zone/.premium-1.644372

        Salameh al-Kasasi came home from kindergarten on Sunday to discover that his home had been demolished. He left home in the morning and returned at midday – to nothing. When his father arrived, after having been detained by the police for 40 minutes, he saw his son standing on the heap of rubble and poking around in it.

        “What are you looking for?” he asked his little boy. “For my yellow teacup,” the boy replied. The beloved cup was found a few minutes later amid the pile of stones that had once been a house.

        Salameh is a 4-year-old Israeli boy from the “unrecognized” Bedouin village of Saawa in the Negev. In 1952, the Israeli government moved his relatives from the area of Beit Kama – in order to make room for kibbutzim – to the place where he was born. Now the authorities seek to expel his family from there, too. Four times Israel has already demolished this tiny village of Saawa, which lies east of the town of Hura, and four times it’s been rebuilt.

        When we arrived this week, the day after the devastation, the residents were already busy clearing rubble and sealing up holes in houses that had been damaged but not totally destroyed. A heap of ruins lies next to just about every home here, like a monument to a house or a memorial for a room that was razed. Some are from this week’s demolitions, which were a continuation of a wrecking process that was begun last December.

        Battered by experience, the locals are now rebuilding their homes with cheap components, tin panels, and sealing them with insulation materials. The fate of their little enclave is sealed, too, they know. At the conclusion of their struggle – a lost cause – the village will likely become a Jewish National Fund grove or a site earmarked for Jewish habitation…

        Their problems with the governmental authorities date back to the 1980s, when Israel stopped leasing them farmlands. About a decade earlier, they had filed ownership claims for the land, which were never authorized. In 1991, the entire village was razed, and it was destroyed again in 1994, in 2004 and again now.

        The legal battle has gone on apace, reaching the Supreme Court, but the Bedouin inhabitants have almost always lost. In the meantime, harassment by the authorities continues unabated….

        At about 9 A.M., large forces of police arrived, some of them on horses, accompanied by water cannons, together with personnel from the Interior Ministry and bulldozers. The contract workers brought in to do the wrecking removed some of the personal property, but closets and beds were crushed under the heavy machines, as we saw with our own eyes. The villagers didn’t resist; they just stood and watched as their homes were leveled.

        We walked between the ruins – heaps of stones and tin panels. What do they tell their children?

        “They ask questions for which we don’t have answers,” Nawaf says. “What can we tell them? A child comes home from school and asks, ‘Where is our house?’ What can you tell him?”

        And there is of course an atmosphere here of discrimination and racism, intensified by the existence of the veteran kibbutzim in the area, but mostly by the phenomenon of nearby single-family farms of Jews, some of them built without permits, which have electrical power and water – and which no one demolishes.

        Says Nawaf: “Why aren’t we allowed to build farming communities? The whole country is filled with farming communities – and only we’re not allowed? Isn’t that racism? Don’t believe what they tell you: The Bedouin are not ‘trespassers’ and they are not ‘expanding.’ If someone from [the Be’er Sheva suburb of] Omer wants to move to Tel Aviv, no one will prohibit him. Obviously there has to be law and order in the country, but no one is negotiating with us. With us there’s only coercion.” ,,,

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 2:15 pm

        “I would love your thoughts on this, hophmi:”

        Kris, old “Hophmi” would simply recite the old proverb: “When you are making a knish you’ve got to mash a lot of potatoes” or something like that. Than, he would offer you a bite, all hot and delicious!

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 2:23 pm

        “And I keep thinking of all that American Jews have contributed to American society, and I wonder how people like Kathleen could be so stupid, let alone so hateful.”

        Hophmi, whatever you do, please, please don’t say that all this hatefulness and stupidity will cause you to leave the US and deny America your bit of the right stuff!!

      • eljay
        March 2, 2015, 2:35 pm

        || hophmeee: But Kathleen said Jews do it. Just as generations of antisemites before her have. And just like past generations, she offers not an iota of proof that her assertion is accurate. … And I keep thinking of all that American Jews have contributed to American society, and I wonder how people like Kathleen could be so stupid, let alone so hateful. ||

        What’s stupid and hateful is your typical distortion of what was actually said into what you wish had been said so that you can smear the person who said it with an accusation of anti-Semitism.

        Please point out precisely where Kathleen said that all Jews engage in serious and destructive abuse of power to benefit their group. Fact is, she didn’t say that.

        At most, she can be accused of saying that some Jews with power abuse it for the benefit of their group – which could mean other powerful people, Jewish people or both. So are you actually suggesting that no powerful Jewish person in the U.S. has ever abused power for the benefit of other powerful and/or Jewish people?

      • Kathleen
        March 2, 2015, 3:18 pm

        Hop you are out of your mind with wild over reactions. “Generally only operating for the welfare for one group of people”

        That is exactly the case with the Israel lobby. The only group of people that they are concerned with in this particular circumstance the Israeli Palestinian conflict, negotiations with Iran are Jews in Israel. They are “generally” not concerned with Palestinians, the national security of the U.S. or the Iranian people. That is a fact.

        And if anyone is an “antisemite” here at MW it is you. I hope that both semitic groups Palestinians and Jews come to a just resolution. You do not.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 4:02 pm

        “But Kathleen said Jews do it.”

        Hophmi, birds do it, bees do it, and even educated fleas do it. They say, in Boston even beans do it!

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 4:06 pm

        “Mooser, predictably, changes the subject to Zionism.”

        Thank you Hophmi. Yes, I go on an awful lot of tangents, but I try to stay on subject, and get the thread back to the subject if I am participating. This is Mondoweiss, the subject is usually Zionism.

      • Kathleen
        March 2, 2015, 6:33 pm

        Mooser can not find that statement about “hatred” that Hop allegedly said. Where is that?

        Hop misquotes people constantly. Puts words in people’s mouths.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 7:34 pm

        Hello Kathleen. I quote from Hophmi’s comment at 12:51

    • Keith
      March 2, 2015, 7:05 pm

      KATHLEEN- “There have been wealthy and privileged people who operate out of sense of equanimity.”

      Perhaps at the micro level, however, I am aware of virtually no member of the power elite that opposes empire, and that includes the so called philanthropists who engage in private social engineering so long as it does not threaten their power and privilege. Most of the elites are power hungry and ruthless. They wouldn’t have succeeded if they weren’t. But you are correct that the current level of abuse of power is extreme.

      • Kathleen
        March 3, 2015, 12:45 pm

        “no member of the power elite that opposes empire” good point.

  30. Atlantaiconoclast
    March 2, 2015, 10:49 am

    It’s important to point out that Jews have also been in the vanguard of the liberty movement, including Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard. I wish that these great Jewish thinkers received as much attention as those like Marx who promoted communism.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 11:05 am

      “It’s important to point out that Jews have also been in the vanguard of the liberty movement, including Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard.”

      Thank you, the words have been rattling the windows at the edge of my memory, and you jimmied the catch:

      “So high, you can’t get over it,
      So low, you can’t get under it.
      So wide, you can’t get around it,
      You must come in at the door.”

  31. Kay24
    March 2, 2015, 12:07 pm

    So despite all the problems, insults and disrespect, by Netanyahu and the zionists, and the disgusting efforts to sabotage any agreement with Iran, the unwavering support and protection for Israel, at the UN HRC goes on. Netanyahu said jump, and the Obama administration asked “How High”. Netanyahu has “moved” America easily again.

    “Kerry defends Israel before UN Human Rights Council
    Amid bitter dispute between Washington Jerusalem over Iran deal, Kerry calls on UN rights panel to take more balanced approach toward Israel.

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday delivered a vigorous defense of Israel before the UN Human Rights Council, urging its members to end what the United States says is its unfair and biased focus on the Jewish State that could undermine its credibility. His remarks came as the Obama administration attempts to blunt complaints that it has not been strong enough in its support for Israel, criticism now centered on its pursuit of a nuclear deal with Iran.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.644960

    For shame.

  32. David Doppler
    March 2, 2015, 1:12 pm

    Great piece, Phil.

    May it be a stone in the foundation for centuries-long evolution and development of American Jewish political philosophy, separate and apart from Middle Eastern Zionist political philosophy, showing a better capacity to learn from history: to separate religion and state; to place ultimate trust in a well-informed and diverse public – protected from concentrations of power by constitutional limits and separation of powers – rather than in elites corrupted by concentrated power; in transparency rather than deceit or rationalization; in laws not individuals; in accountability under law rather than atonement via tribal scapegoats; in selection of leaders based on virtue and talent, rather than breeding.

    Who knows, maybe Israelis will eventually realize that they too have something to learn from America.

    • steven l
      March 2, 2015, 2:17 pm

      Your comments apply exactly to what is going on in our country today.
      This is not the example you want to set for other democracies!
      Zionism means ONLY a country for Jews which was promised by G-D as Eretz Israel which as you might know included in the initial Balfour declaration, trans-Jordania.
      If one does not believe in the rights of Jews, then Christians and Muslims have no rights either. This goes also of course for the seculars.
      Are we all equal or some are more equal than others?

      As far as lobby is concerned, the Muslim (Shias & Sunnis) lobby is far more richer ($) and more powerful than the IL lobby. The Arab lobby has corrupted the whole political and academic world. All this was achieved thanks to the dear notion of “American greed” in politics and academia. It is all about greed rather than spirituality.

      • Mooser
        March 2, 2015, 7:45 pm

        “Zionism means ONLY a country for Jews which was promised by G-D”

        Excuse me for being blunt, but who the f–k says anybody has to take orders from your “G-D”
        Why on the hell is that supposed to be an argument? Is “G-D” gonna get us if we don’t obey?
        And the “Balfour Declaration”? What are you, the Queen of England or something? You, sir, not to put too fine a point on it, are cuckoo!

      • Kris
        March 2, 2015, 9:53 pm

        steven 1, I have read your comment several times, and can’t make sense of it. What are you talking about?

      • talknic
        March 3, 2015, 2:32 am

        @ steven l “Zionism means ONLY a country for Jews which was promised by G-D as Eretz Israel which as you might know included in the initial Balfour declaration, trans-Jordania”

        Now that is amazing … this G-D is the same one who didn’t bother to show up for the Holocaust ?

        “If one does not believe in the rights of Jews, then Christians and Muslims have no rights either. This goes also of course for the seculars.”

        Jews have rights. But Israelis, even non-Jewish ones don’t have any right to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories that have been held under Israeli military occupation since 1948 and 1967 http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk nor does Israel have any legal right to any of those territories

        “Are we all equal or some are more equal than others?”

        The cop out G-d who gives away land to a tiny minority seems to think some are far more equal than others . I wonder who invented such a G-D

        “As far as lobby is concerned, the Muslim (Shias & Sunnis) lobby is far more richer ($) and more powerful than the IL lobby. The Arab lobby has corrupted the whole political and academic world”

        An example of this alleged corruption would be nice .. thx

        ” All this was achieved thanks to the dear notion of “American greed” in politics and academia. It is all about greed rather than spirituality”

        Uh huh. Can you explain why the US who recognized Israel as Israel asked to be recognized, by its proclaimed borders http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf and; who refuses to relocate its embassy to Jerusalem, (Jerusalem is not Israeli http://wp.me/pDB7k-W8 ) , continually vetoes UNSC resolutions against Israel

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 2:53 am

        From an article in the NYT:

        ““I have a moral obligation to speak up in the face of these dangers while there is still time to avert them,” Mr. Netanyahu told thousands of Israel supporters in Washington. “For 2,000 years, my people, the Jewish people, were stateless, defenseless, voiceless.” He added: “Today, we are no longer silent. Today, we have a voice. And tomorrow, as prime minister of the one and only Jewish state, I plan to use that voice”

        Who appointed him King of the Jews? His people may have been stateless at one time, but now not only do they have the state given to them by the UN, they have also managed to steal MORE lands and build illegal settlements, and as for voiceless, we have been told ad nauseam by the zionist media exactly what Israel wants the world to believe, that they are victims. So this pathetic act by Netanyahu should stop, no one believes the garbage anymore. THE STATELESS, DEFENSELESS AND VOICELESS people are the ones under Israeli occupation. Who the heck is Bibi trying to fool? Bibi’s voters perhaps, because after all he sounded like superman trying to save the world when he boarded that plane to the US.
        No wonder Sara thinks he should be the President of the US.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 11:08 am

        “Now that is amazing … this G-D is the same one who didn’t bother to show up for the Holocaust ?”

        No, that was “G-d”. He’s been let go, and replaced by “G-D” (now fortified with Zionist power!)
        Of course “God” has been dead for years, said so in the NYTs, don’t bother appealing to Him.

      • eljay
        March 3, 2015, 11:18 am

        || steven l: … Zionism means ONLY a country for Jews which was promised by G-D as Eretz Israel … ||

        Thank you for confirming that Israel is a religion-supremacist construct.

        || If one does not believe in the rights of Jews, then Christians and Muslims have no rights either. ||

        Jews are not entitled to a supremacist “Jewish State”. Christians are not entitled to a supremacist “Christian State”. Muslims are not entited to a supremacist “Muslim State”. No state has a right to exist as a supremacist state.

        || This goes also of course for the seculars. ||

        Secular: of, relating to, or controlled by the government rather than by the church

        The state should be controlled by the government rather than by the church (or other religious institution). But secularism alone isn’t enough: The state should also be democratic and all citizens of, immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from the state should have equality under the law.

  33. kalithea
    March 2, 2015, 1:14 pm

    Let’s be clear: Netanyahu got a resounding standing ovation from the Zionist Jewish community at Aipac and because his ego is an endless insatiable pit of megalomania, he then called on Jews from many different states to show their support with applause! Let’s face it – you look at those multiple giant, surround screens, you look around that room and the asounting number of assets represented there, you hear the thunderous applause and you think – drunk on power.

    I’m tired of pretending that the situation is otherwise, but the majority of Jews support this sick ideology, Zionism, that is the primary source of the fatalistic War on Terror and every misguided, toxic foreign policy that the U.S. has adopted since GW Bush because they’re all hooked on the power show and it’s just too hard to let go even a little for everyone’s benefit. Selfish much? This destructive situation is irreversible thanks to Zionism. Zionism created the narrative, the policy and will create the catastrophic outcome as well. Zionism is a runaway, crazy train, loaded with fanatics on a suicide mission intent on taking all of us with them.

    Anyone who didn’t speak out against Zionism at the top of their lungs is responsible. I am unforgiving on this point because ample proof has been provided for decades as to the destructive nature and path of Zionism. Palestinians aren’t the only ones perpetually screwed by Zionism; we too are suffering the consequences.

    Because the War on Terror doesn’t suffice, Netanyahu is painting Iran as a creature with Tentacles of Terror because we must be at war with ALL Islam, Sunni and Shia, to satisfy the bedrock of Zionism – Israel and bring on the clash of civilizations!

    When a foreign president can step over the American President and humiliate him to get his way; then you can believe that the U.S. has become Zionist-occupied territory and nothing will turn this around except a revolution. Netanyahu isn’t going to be the PM of Israel because he already is the President of the U.S. that’s how entrenched Zionism is in the U.S. and that’s how deluded with power Zionism is. So let Netanyahu be acting President because let’s be honest, Zionism has ruled here for years now. This will only get worse for everyone. And it will get worse because Jews who actually see Zionism on the path of destruction will let it happen because they hesitated to interfere in a significant way with this delusional power trip sourced by Zionism. Letting go of Zionism does not mean letting go of all that Jews have accomplished or acquired!

    The sky will not fall because you unloaded this millstone!

    • bintbiba
      March 2, 2015, 2:05 pm

      +1 Kalithea

    • eljay
      March 2, 2015, 2:21 pm

      || kalithea: … Zionism is a runaway, crazy train, loaded with fanatics on a suicide mission intent on taking all of us with them. … ||

      And Zio-supremacists like King Bibi and JeffB are doing their best to ensure that everyone associates all Jews with Zionism and the “Jewish State” project, so that when the blowback hits, they (the Zio-supremacists) have non-Zionist Jews to “throw under the bus” in an attempt to save their own hateful and immoral skins.

  34. Kathleen
    March 2, 2015, 3:23 pm

    Phil “The great news about the Netanyahu speech is that it brings the classic era of the lobby to an end” Only time will tell

    Phil “Israel supporters like to say that the American people love Israel but they don’t really believe that”

    That is why it has been so important to have gatekeepers for Israel in most MSM outlets to block the facts on the ground in that conflict from getting through.

  35. Citizen
    March 2, 2015, 3:23 pm

    @ hophmi
    A bit of context about the decline of the WASPs–is the writer a “self-hating Jew” like you say Phil is? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304367204579268301043949952?mobile=y

  36. cogit8
    March 2, 2015, 4:53 pm

    Phil,
    This piece was masterful. Congratulations!
    John M.

  37. HarryLaw
    March 2, 2015, 5:34 pm

    That caption reminds me of what Bill Clinton remarked privately after his first meeting with Bibi, “Who the fuck does he think he is? Who’s the fucking superpower here?” Obama’s fawning makes it obvious. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2012/09/benjamin_netanyahu_should_be_careful_about_inserting_himself_too_much_into_the_presidential_race_between_barack_obama_and_mitt_romney_.html

  38. kalithea
    March 2, 2015, 7:48 pm

    Here’s how delusional and fanatical the majority at the Aipac Convention are: the vast majority cheered wildly when Susan Rice said that she’s aware some at the Convention would be approaching Congress to try to put an end altogether to Iran’s domestic program meant for peaceful purposes only and she meant to state this in the context that it’s a totally unrealistic goal to have, but those Zionist idiots wouldn’t let her go further and were cheering the fact that they think such a goal is achievable when she then went on to say it was not! This happened at least twice on another point as well. So this kooky choo-choo is being driven by a bunch of lunatics and they’re in charge, everyone, and not even the President will stand in their way.

    Her speech was nothing more than a limp attempt at urging reason and was full of the usual ass-kissing platitudes and it’s this apologetic attitude towards Israel that has created this insolent and out-of-control monster that makes irrational demands and shoves its toxicity through Congress.

  39. Kay24
    March 2, 2015, 9:59 pm

    Here is something enjoyable and rare. Bocheat apologizes for insulting ad against Rice:

    Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who calls himself “America’s Rabbi,” apologized for his organization’s ad claiming that White House National Security Advisor Susan Rice is complicit in genocide.

    “Susan Rice has a blind spot: Genocide,” says the ad, which ran a full page in the New York Times Saturday. The ad says she “stood by” as genocide ravaged Rwanda in 1994 when Rice was a member of President Bill Clinton’s national security team and cites an article written by Samantha Powers, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

    “I personally want to offer an apology to anyone who was offended by our organization’s ad about National Security Advisor Susan Rice,” said Boteach Monday before an event on preventing a nuclear Iran with Elie Wiesel and Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz. “Our disagreement with Ms. Rice is strictly over policy. It was construed by some as a personal attack that is certainly and absolutely not its intent.”

    Boteach defended his ad just yesterday in an interview with CNN and his website still has a link to the ad on its homepage”

    http://time.com/3729453/shmuley-boteach-apology/

  40. Kay24
    March 2, 2015, 10:29 pm

    Dirty Dersh on CNN urging officials to go and listen to Bibi’s speech. Dirty Dersh always on the wrong side.

  41. michelle
    March 3, 2015, 3:13 am

    .
    all life suffers all flesh dies
    the selfish hide behind their lies
    blind to the circle to which all are bound
    all that is done goes completely around
    while those who care beyond the ‘me’
    know that Truth will set them free
    free from worry free from fear
    of a tommorrow not yet here
    free to seek the just the good
    in this moment as we should
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  42. yonah fredman
    March 3, 2015, 12:37 pm

    There is no inherent contradiction between power and vulnerability. Israel’s nukes could not stop the second intifadeh. A millionaire’s son can be kidnapped. If some Jews are incapable of holding both ideas: power and vulnerability, in their minds at one time, this is no excuse for antiZionists to blind themselves to the reality that both situations can exist at the same time.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 3, 2015, 12:58 pm

      are you addressing that to someone who said there was an inherent contradiction between power and vulnerability? sorry, you lost me. but i did notice Gidi Grinstein of the reut institute, that bastion of talking pts and red lines, sharing your framing http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.644957

      the greatest Jewish paradox of our time: that the Jewish People is both more powerful than ever before, yet still very vulnerable.

      bwahhh.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 2:27 pm

        “that the Jewish People is both more powerful than ever before, yet still very vulnerable.”

        It’s true, just like nobody can develop a nuclear weapon which will stop an infitadeh nobody, not even those J+ and +15 can come up with a defense against Gentile women or angels-on-horseback!

    • eljay
      March 3, 2015, 1:10 pm

      || y.f.: … this is no excuse for antiZionists to blind themselves to the reality that both situations can exist at the same time. ||

      It’s also no excuse for the Zio-supremacists to blind themselves to the reality that the simultaneous existence of both situations does not justify aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture, murder and supremacism.

      (If “dialog” is good enough for the powerless-and-oppressed, surely it’s good enough for the powerful-and-vulnerable…right?)

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 2:22 pm

      “There is no inherent contradiction between power and vulnerability.”

      That’s right Yonah! Not for a giant intellect like you to be non plussed by the “hobgoblin of small minds”.

      ” Israel’s nukes could not stop the second intifadeh”

      Yonah, you can’t say that, they didn’t even try that. I understand your ire at not having your suggestions taken, but try to get past it.

  43. blendedpurple
    March 3, 2015, 8:23 pm

    Chinese and Indians (immigrating largely from the professional classes) will equal Jewish success in America, btw, a demographic “challenge” that has yet to be acknowledged. Because the first generation is still under 40. If one looks at SAT’s only, the Ivy Leagues would be 50 % Chinese. Basically they are methodically discriminated down to 25% or less (sound familiar ?)

    The disproportionate influence of American Zionists is going to fade away like the WASPS did.

  44. John Salisbury
    March 4, 2015, 12:02 am

    Superb piece Phil.

    Just shaded by “Against Self Determination “

  45. Paul Larudee
    March 4, 2015, 1:02 pm

    Brilliant piece that begs the question whether Netanyahu is delusional or whether he has already reached the same conclusions that Phil sets forth here. I expected Netanyahu to withdraw with a suitable excuse, because this exercise only accelerates the decline of the Israel Lobby, and his advisers from the Reut Institute and other luminaries will have told him so.

    I was wrong, obviously, but I think it may mean something more ominous than delusion. I fear that Netanyahu and others in the leadership of Israel may have decided that the decline of their influence in the US (which they have been expecting for a very long time) is now at hand, and that they might as well use the clout they have while it’s still there, and then make the transition to a different mode of survival.

    This is potentially very dangerous, because Israel’s entire survival strategy has been based on crushing whatever stands in their way. If anything, Israel is likely to become even more paranoid than it is now.

  46. michelle
    March 5, 2015, 12:12 am

    .

    “If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking… is freedom.”
    .
    http://izquotes.com/author/dwight-d.-eisenhower
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Mooser
      March 5, 2015, 10:59 am

      ““If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking… is freedom.”

      Thank you Michelle. I’ll be able to face my sentence with a lot more equanimity (like some elites!). When you put it that way, the stretch doesn’t seem so bad.

    • michelle
      March 6, 2015, 1:22 am

      Hello Mooser
      i hope you’re well
      i’m not sure what you mean
      m
      .
      my post was a point of view i found interesting
      seems like the view was asking
      just how far is a person willing to go to feel safe
      how much is that person willing to give up
      and is it really worth it
      .
      the give and take of balance
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

      • Mooser
        March 7, 2015, 11:19 am

        Sorry, I was just trying to look at the positive aspects. Might as well.

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