Paris university reverses decision, allows Israeli apartheid event with Blumenthal

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Update: We have learned from organizers that the event at the University Paris 8 last night that the president had shut down over the weekend took place as planned after all. Organizers said that international outrage over the censorship caused the university to reverse its decision. Photos here.

Original post, before the administration’s reversal:

The following news statements about an event set for tomorrow night in Paris at a university founded in 1969 as an experimental center on social issues were issued today by the French Palestinian solidarity organization AURDIP (Association des Universitaires pour le Respect du Droit International en Palestine) and the Collectif Palestine at the university.

AURDIP COMMUNIQUÉ – We have just learned that, once again, the presidency of the University Paris 8/Saint-Denis decided, at the last moment, to ban a conference, this one entitled Israel apartheid is real [featuring Max Blumenthal and Bilal Afandi]. The conference intended to shed light on Israel’s apartheid policy toward the Palestinian people, a policy that AURDIP itself has constantly condemned. As a collective of academics, we are outraged by this attack on academic freedom, the freedom of expression, and the freedom of open debate. As defenders of human rights and the respect of international law, we wish to express our deep dismay at the complicit silence that the administration of the University Paris 8 aims to force upon its students and faculty. We demand that the president of this university reverse a decision that can only exacerbate tensions while pretending to calm them.

Press Release of the Collectif Palestine Paris 8
Stop censorship at the University !

Once again the president of Université Paris 8-Saint Denis has flouted the principle of freedom of expression, by banning a conference organized by the collective Palestine Paris 8, in partnership with other organizations supporting the Palestinian people, just two days before the intended date. The goal of the conference is to condemn the apartheid policies of the state of Israel toward Palestinians. Among the invited speakers are Bilal Afandi, a young Palestinian activist; Max Blumenthal, a journalist from the United States, and a speaker from the BDS campaign.

The presidency’s motivation in censoring this event have never been clear. Expressing itself by means of the Maison de l’étudiant [house of students], which it uses to control student initiative, the university presidency has alternatively pointed to the absence of an available auditorium, the presence of a “controversial” speaker (Max Blumenthal, whose writings are nevertheless published in numerous outlets in the United States), publicity that “doesn’t meet norms,” the risk of disorder… Apart from this bureaucratic censorship, the presidency has not hesitated to use more direct means of repression, including sending university personnel to tear down our posters announcing the event.

In the current context, to ban such a conference amounts to aligning with the policy of exploiting the reaction to the attacks of last January 7 and January 9 in order to install permanently a version of freedom of expression with variable rules. We can still read “We are Charlie” on huge posters on the walls of the university. Doesn’t this mean the university is showing support for a controversial newspaper ? Should we understand that controversy is not legitimate unless it is consistent with the dominant ideology ?

Thus, according to the presidency, freedom of expression ends where there is the slightest risk of undermining the politics of the state of Israel at the level of the university. Still worse, this conference had the audacity to be listed as an activity of Israeli Apartheid Week — an international week of struggle and reflection against the apartheid policies of Israel, which is organized in numerous other universities in the world, notably in England, the United States, Palestine, South Africa, and several Latin American countries. Since 2012 (when the president decided to close the university in order to ban a meeting), pressure and censorship have become systematic when apartheid in Palestine is in question.

But we will not allow ourselves to be tamed by the presidency of the University of Saint-Denis, wallowing in its goals of normalization (whether they be in the domains of security, austerity, bureaucracy, or ideology) And since it prefers to yield to pressure and to accept the arguments of the defenders of Israeli policies, we will take responsibility on our side. We therefore intend to go ahead with this conference and we are calling for massive participation in a rally in front of Building D of the university, starting at 6 PM, to assert our right to speak about “controversial” subjects, our right to express our solidarity toward the Palestinian people, our right to self-organization and to independence of the student movement.

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  1. traintosiberia
    March 8, 2015, 4:28 pm

    Where is the outrage that no so long ago visited entire Europe? Yes ,it is understood that no blood was shed and no one lost life. But that is not the argument . It is the aim of silencing offensive opinion ,unpopular stand,and banishing dissidence from the mental imagery ,that’s what motivated the Chalie killers and the same purpose lies behind the cancellation.
    In fact one can easily point out that this event carries sovial and political significance and importance that thevcartoon never did or would .

  2. Kathleen
    March 8, 2015, 4:35 pm

    Post “complicit silence” of the administration of the university. Sure they will follow the pressure $$ to shut this talk down.

    Max is a very aware, powerful and fact based journalist and speaker about the conflict, occupation, apartheid Stuns and terrifies people with the facts. Watched the faces of people here in Boulder attending Max’s talk at the Quaker center when Max came to speak about his latest book. Those objecting could not argue with his documented facts. .Lots of difficult swallowing going on while he speaks the truth.

    “as a collective of academics we are outraged” Let’s hope they continue to show their outrage….possibly through the courts.

    So University Paris 8 committed to Charlie Hebdo’s freedom of expression but not Max Blumenthal’s and Bifal Afandi. PEP university..

    Coming soon “We Are Max and Bifal” posters around campus

  3. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    March 8, 2015, 7:32 pm

    On another thread, I asked rhetorically if there had ever been an organisation whose name was more loaded with ugly irony than ”Birthright”.

    Now I ask: Has there ever been a slogan more blatantly hypocritical than ”Je suis Charlie’?

    • Joe Catron
      March 9, 2015, 7:46 am

      I think most people who said ”Je suis Charlie” meant they were also racists, which was true.

      • hjmetro
        March 9, 2015, 12:13 pm

        You’re a f*cking moron here, Joe. I’m sorry to say so, because usually your tweets and comments make sense.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 9, 2015, 12:42 pm

        You’re a f*cking moron

        hj metro, your penchant for name calling aside, i noticed your defense of religions being “legitimate targets for political satire”, skipped over judaism.

        Satirizing the powerfull MUST include fundamental critique of religion because religion has been a major backward force throughout history. Countless wars are still fought for or against religious beliefs. I don’t think ‘multiculturalism’ should mean allowing attacks, critique, even blasphemy on one superpower: Western Imperialism, while exempting that other superpower: Religion. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/contrarian-perspective-cartoonist#comment-738729

        i was wondering if you could be so kind as to provide us a link for us to your favorite (non anti semitic) cartoon lampooning some violent jewish religious fanatics – just to balance out your critique.

      • amigo
        March 9, 2015, 1:33 pm

        “hj metro, your penchant for name calling aside, i noticed your defense of religions being “legitimate targets for political satire”, skipped over judaism. Annie.

        Annie , here is some more on jpmetro thinking.

        “If we do away with ALL religions, the world will be a better and more peaceful place. Less wars and violence, less hatred, less institutionalized and internalized bigotry and more enlightenment. “jpmetro.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/university-california-interview#comment-731304

        Do you think jp metro would do better posting on a site dedicated to the religious fanatics squatting on Palestinian lands that they claim some real estate magnate in the sky gave to them.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 9, 2015, 1:49 pm

        and that quote, in defense of bill maher? i’m not a religious person but i am really in awe of the amazing amount of giving and compassion coming out of religious communities worldwide. why, i’d even be religious myself just to hang out with more of those people — if i had that kind of faith, which i do not. sure, awful wars in the name of religions and on behalf of fanatical religious people. but no one really spends the time measuring the good deeds done by the religious cumulatively. but if they did i think their vision might change. i’m not ready to throw them all under a bus but at the same time i don’t think i’ll ever fully understand what makes them tick. most people tho, are good.

        and yeah, hjmetro could perhaps move a mountain or two directing his “f*cking moron” remarks to some of those american religious groups (or the adl) lauding ”Je suis Charlie” while raising money for the idf.

      • hjmetro
        March 10, 2015, 2:32 pm

        Annie, I apologize for calling Joe Catron a ‘FM’. But I do not understand your other criticism. It seems that I have to defend myself for lashing out at religion as such. In Europe, as the overwhelming support for Charlie Hebdo has shown, religion is a legitimate target of ridicule. Blasphemy, not only in my opinion, is a integral part of the freedom of expression. Monty Python’s Life of Brian is not really different from Charlie, or Knausgard’s Mohamed cartoons: it’s okay to make fun of gods and prophets.
        Really ridiculous, however”, is linking me to the Israeli land thieves and “american religious groups (or the adl) lauding ”Je suis Charlie” while raising money for the idf”, because it questions my integrity as an anti-fascist and an anti-racist – more than the opinion that ‘Je suis Charlie’ is a racist slogan.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 2:50 pm

        hj, sorry for getting back to you so late, i just saw your comment.

        It seems that I have to defend myself for lashing out at religion as such…In Europe, as the overwhelming support for Charlie Hebdo has shown, religion is a legitimate target of ridicule.

        no, Charlie Hebdo has not shown that. it has only shown, in europe, islam is a legitimate target of ridicule. Life of Brian is different from Charlie (or maybe you didn’t see the cartoon of prostrated with his balls hanging down and a camera up his ass), and you’ll notice in my comment to you (regardless of my response to amigo) i did not task you with defending yourself for lashing out at religion i merely linked to one of your previous comments and mentioned your critique skipped over judaism. more fro that comment to make myself clear:

        It’s about time muslim clerics worldwide tell their flock that Mohamed was just a mortal being, that he has been dead for some time already, and that there are others in the world that don’t give a damn about him, Jesus, Buddha, and that they have the human right to do so. I don’t want to take your beliefs away from you, but please don’t expect others to be aware of all your religious sensitivities. Bugger off, and be happy that Mohamed is not yet marketed as a garden gnome, like Buddha! – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/contrarian-perspective-cartoonist#comment-738729

        i asked if you could provide an example of a cartoon lampooning some violent jewish religious fanatics – just to balance out your critique. my point being, there are not any like that published at charlie and examples of them have been hauled before the courts. my meaning is, they are treated differently and i didn’t see you recognizing that imbalance.

        also, i didn’t link you to “Israeli land thieves” i merely said “violent jewish religious fanatics”. you can find them in france or canada or many places outside of israel. in fact we featured one from canada here last month.

        and i think amigos suggestion, that what you advocate “do away with ALL religions, the world will be a better and more peaceful place” would in fact be quite helpful actually if you advocated it on a site with “religious fanatics squatting on Palestinian lands that they claim some real estate magnate in the sky gave to them.”

        i’m not sure what you mean by me “linking you” to religious fanatics. amigo linked you to the idea of advocating what you’re advocating, where i thought it might matter or make a difference too. i’m not sure how that would question your integrity as an anti-fascist and an anti-racist. it seems to me it would bolster your integrity as would linking to a cartoon lambasting judaism as being fair game.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 3:01 pm

        another thing. i saw lots of cartoons making fun of the whole catholic/priest/pedophelia scandal but the pedophelia rabbis rarely make it off the regional news or jewish sites. national news just doesn’t cover it at all for the most part and i have not seen any cartoons about it in charlie or anywhere else. so why is this? why are muslims fair game and jews not so much? i’m not asking you this because i don’t favor free speech or would change laws to prevent freedom of speech. i am asking you this because you have a strong preference for allowing the targeting and lampooning for religious fanatics and yet i am not hearing you acknowledge there’s an imbalance.

        so i think it’s a fair question to ask, an example of a cartoon lampooning judaism that you would defend on the grounds of freedom of speech. and if there isn’t one why that might be?

      • DaBakr
        March 11, 2015, 12:37 pm

        @hj
        here is where you learn the lesson that the so-called ‘progressive’ anti-Zionist left-wing is dedicated primarily and unconditionally to linking every single comment to their obsession with Israel, Zionism and and how the source of all evil somehow stems from both.

        in other words…you can’t be violently opposed to the excesses of the muslim religion without it somehow tying you directly to complicity with the IDF, Zionism

        as for max…he promised to not barge into any occupied toilet stalls with or w/o cameras -so they let him speak

      • marc b.
        March 11, 2015, 1:13 pm

        and why is it upsetting that you have to defend yourself after making silly, simplistic arguments about religion? the 20th century was the century of secularism, science, and technophilia, and a grotesque bloodbath, and Calvinism, or Catholicism, or Islam had little to nothing to do with the mess. it’s preposterous that all you new-atheism types foist the ills of humanity on the back of organized religion, the other side of the ‘technology will save us’ coin. utter horse shit.

        as a Marxist at another site admitted, he’d take one liberation theologist over 100 armchair Marxists any day of the week.

    • Mooser
      March 10, 2015, 12:06 pm

      “Now I ask: Has there ever been a slogan more blatantly hypocritical than ”Je suis Charlie’?”

      How about “Je suis Generis“?

  4. joer
    March 9, 2015, 12:45 am

    Considering the West’s respect of the right of free speech no matter who it offends, I guess it is only a matter of time before we start seeing a lot of “je suis Max” signs around.

  5. RoHa
    March 9, 2015, 5:05 am

    Max Blumenthal is a Jew, so this clearly another example of the rampant anti-Semitism that is surging through France.

    • a blah chick
      March 9, 2015, 12:44 pm

      In fact Max made the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation’s list of the top ten anti semites of 2014!

      And what is even crazier is that about 7 out of the 10 were Jews. Insanity rules.

      • just
        March 9, 2015, 1:37 pm

        Max @ Glasgow U during IAW. Recommended, as usual.

        “At Glasgow U, I discussed the relationship between anti-Semitism & Zionism, the war in Gaza & its hideous aftermath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5jIgBN9BxE …”

        https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/574636938570940416

        (I guess the Scots aren’t infected yet…)

      • seafoid
        March 9, 2015, 2:27 pm

        Scotland and Ireland are very infertile ground for Ziobots.

      • Giles
        March 10, 2015, 7:49 am

        And basketball player Tony Parker!

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 10:17 pm

        “And what is even crazier is that about 7 out of the 10 were Jews”

        Well, you know, tribal unity.

  6. Jackdaw
    March 9, 2015, 6:04 am

    ” As defenders of human rights and the respect of international law..”

    This statement should include, the caveat, ‘only against Israel’.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 9, 2015, 2:36 pm

      and assad, or did you conveniently forget about him. and then there’s his reporting on egypt, oh look, devoid of israel http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/07/2013717115756410917.html

      iow, you’d be wrong — and there are other examples as well

      • a blah chick
        March 9, 2015, 4:51 pm

        I saw today (I think it was at JPOST) about how Israel is asking for the world to send aid to the poor Kurds.

        Much like their beloved Israel they only notice others suffering when they think they can use it to deflect attention.

  7. Dutch
    March 9, 2015, 6:59 am

    Last week AIW-events in Brussels were also banned, though protest restored most of them. In Rome a speech by Ilan Pappe was banned. At VU University in Amsterdam a BDS-debate was openly sabotaged by the Lobby, and banned.

    Charlie doesn’t live here anymore. People say he is now with the IOF.

    • Jackdaw
      March 9, 2015, 1:37 pm

      Dutch Jews have a Lobby?

      What’s it called?

      • Annie Robbins
        March 9, 2015, 2:41 pm

        CIDI http://www.cidi.nl/

        http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrum_Informatie_en_Documentatie_Isra%C3%ABl

        google translated:

        The Centre for Information and Documentation on Israel (CIDI) is a foundation which in 1974 was founded by the Jewish community in the Netherlands . CIDI is an independent Dutch organization that aims to defend the right to peace and security of the Jewish people, anywhere in the world and feel connected with the state of Israel in the global movement of Zionism , inspired by Theodor Herzl .

        ….

        CIDI The board consists of representatives of the various Jewish organizations in the Netherlands, including three Jewish denominations. There is an executive committee, which Ronnie Eisenmann president ad interim, Arik Suissa secretary and Alon Nir its treasurer. The funds of the foundation are completely assembled by gifts and donations of Dutch individuals and institutions and legacies. The Foundation Center for Information and Documentation on Israel has been designated as a public welfare institution . In 1992, CIDI OPTIN ( Organisation for the Promotion of Trade between Israel and the Netherlands ), which promotes economic cooperation between the two countries.

      • Dutch
        March 9, 2015, 3:50 pm

        Thanks, Annie.

        Yes, CIDI is the primary Lobby outlet in the Netherlands. Their office is in The Hague – close to our parliament. CIDI played a prominent role in knocking over the BDS-debate at VU University, but they’ve suffered a lot of public criticism about it.

        Surely CIDI is supported by ‘Dutch Jews’, but my guess is that most Dutch Jews are supportive of the Palestinians. Israel is supported in parliament by christians, liberals (meaning Republicans), and of course Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party (PVV). And of course the social-democrats have been on Israel’s side since the very beginning.

      • hjmetro
        March 10, 2015, 2:36 pm

        It’s called Dutch Public Opinion, which is extremely pro-Israel.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 10, 2015, 3:32 pm

        thanks dutch. yes i am aware of dutch public opinion re palestine. check out the video for a clearer understanding of my understanding! plus there’s this: http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/unilever-settlement-production the netherlands is very often ahead of the curve. there is a truely awesome photo from rotterdam in my worldwide photos post too. i literally burst into tears when i saw it the first time. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli

      • hjmetro
        March 11, 2015, 10:50 am

        CIDI is almost a synonym for Likud Netherlands, and I have still to meet Dutch Jews who are supportive of Palestine – except for a few Shoah survivors and old lefties. Most of my (babyboom) generation are pro Israel. Period. Maybe it is different among younger Jews (Dutch, I guess, is a young man), and that would be a good thing.

  8. Atlantaiconoclast
    March 9, 2015, 9:50 am

    Can someone explain why Europeans seem so afraid of the Lobby? Is it due to the Holocaust? Seems that these anti free speech laws pertaining to such a huge historical phenomenon have helped to foster great fear in allowing anything critical of Israel and/or organized Jewry.

    • Dutch
      March 9, 2015, 5:11 pm

      I can tell you about Holland, not Europe.

      This is about our relationship with the US. You lead, we follow. That’s how we ended up in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places. The ‘Davids Commission’ that investigated the Dutch decision to support the Iraq War introduced a great wording for this: the Atlantic reflex.

      And there is the component you mentioned: 95 percent of Dutch Jews were taken away and killed during WW2. The Dutch have not been able to deal with this, not willing to address the fact that they should have done more. It’s our elephant in the polder. The only one living below sea level – just to show how deeply rooted this ‘little problem’ is.

      This might explain why the Lobby is very broad, supported in parliament by the social-democrats (Labour), ‘liberals’ (meaning your Republicans) and christian parties, that together control the I/P-issue in parliament. Of course they are supported by Geert Wilders’s Freedom Party (PVV), a firm defender of Israel – receiving cash from the Israel Lobby in the US (the weekly ‘Vrij Nederland’ spoke of ‘coffers full of cash money being wheeled into Dutch parliament’). That’s YOUR Lobby, with it’s hands in OUR democracy.

      The good news being a major shift among the population. It’s hard to judge exacly because the Lobby makes so much noise, but polls show that a large majority nowadays supports the Palestinians. By large I mean 70 percent or more. A recent poll shows that 80 percent are in favor of a Palestinian state on pre-1967 lines. The massacre on Gaza made all the difference: people that were long caught between the reasons stated above and the facts on the ground they witnessed, were literally bombed over the line.

      We’re not afraid of the Lobby. We’re dealing with very specific problems. I see it this way: in 1970 Israel was supported by 95 percent of the Dutch. Today by 30 or less. The media and politicians are the last to follow suit, but they’re in extra time. The castle will fall, the elephant will swim.

      ‘Does this majority of the population than have no effect at all?’ – you might ask. In that case consider the fact that Dutch companies like Unilever, PGGM, Vitens and Royal Haskoning/DHV ‘withdrew’ from occupied Palestine and/or ended their relation with Israeli firms complicit in the colonization. They did so because of preassure from society.

      • Theo
        March 10, 2015, 8:39 am

        During my life I have met and also befriended many dutch people, I find them open minded and liberal. Hopefully the jews there also have the same human qualities and are dutch first, jews second and never zionists supporting that apartheid state called Israel.

  9. RockyMissouri
    March 9, 2015, 10:08 am

    It is their loss. Max is outstanding.

    • Kathleen
      March 9, 2015, 11:01 pm

      Max is committed to the facts. Also sense a deep commitment to human rights

  10. amigo
    March 9, 2015, 10:32 am

    I wonder if anyone could even get close to stating the amount of money spent by the zionists in propping up the zionist entity .

    Hasbara brigades, (free scholarships for the willing).Birthright trips.Buying political influence world wide.Lawsuits against those who oppose tyranny and apartheid. Media advertising, not to mention the financing of illegal squats or the military cost of defending them.

    And all in the pursuit of a soon to be failed project.It can,t last forever.Something has to give.

    Oh well.

  11. hophmi
    March 9, 2015, 1:55 pm

    Try number 3, and I suggest you put it through and stop censoring opinions that you find difficult:

    […]

    • Annie Robbins
      March 9, 2015, 3:23 pm

      don’t tell me how to do my job.

      6. No trolling. Wikipedia defines trolling as “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.” That definition is good enough for us….. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/policy#sthash.K1iqvMVb.dpuf

      this is not about censoring opinions i find difficult, it’s about dumping a completely out of context, off topic, inflammatory link accompanied by inflammatory allegations with no explanation whatsoever or citing anything from either articles (the one above or your off topic link) even relating to some point you are trying to make.

      posting the same thing over and over will not get it published and only serves to piss off the moderator. try harder hops. if you’re so dying to associate phil and max to david duke, choosing an article loaded with quotes neither of them would ever ever say, and basically making no argument whatsoever (merely an accusation) is not smart, off topic and therefore against our comment policy, it only serves to troll the site.

      besides, we’ve had this conversation before on this site, it’s old hat: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/my-response-to-dailykos-smear

      quit trolling. and please (this goes for everyone) don’t keep posting something over and over once it has been trashed, consult the comment policy pts 1-7 and try reposting your comment so those rules are applied. also, private messages for the moderator should be sent via email. thanks!

      • hophmi
        March 10, 2015, 10:21 am

        The point I tried to make is that Max Blumenthal isn’t being permitted certain platforms because the views of the extremists in the anti-Zionist community bear more than a passing resemblance to those of white supremacists.

        I have clearly hit a nerve here, Annie; in fact, nearly everything David Duke said in his interview with Ray Suarez for Al Jazeera about Zionists being a small minority with disproportionate power in the United States that they wield to injure other Americans could have been taken verbatim from this site.

        Duke: “We have many, many Jewish organizations, very powerful organizations in this country working for what they consider to be the Jewish agenda or the Israeli agenda.”

        Mondoweiss would agree with that statement; it has accused the American Jewish community of dual loyalty many times.

        Duke: “I believe the Zionists control the country. They literally control the top financing of the Republican and Democratic Party… the largest political financiers in America absolutely are Zionists.”

        Mondoweiss has said as much by claiming that the only reason Netanyahu spoke in Congress and that Democrats attended was the role of Jewish money and Jewish presence in media and politics. Commentators here have said this far more explicitly, and you have let many of their antisemitic comments through.

        Duke: “[Zionists] look at themselves a distinct people not only to Europeans but everybody else on the planet. And it’s a very ethnic-oriented organization.”

        These are both sentiments expressed many times here by posts purposely conflating notions of chosenness with notions of superiority.

        Duke: “Every major Jewish organization in America, such as the American Jewish Committee, which is, in fact, a worldwide organization and as far as Israel’s concerned, they have programs to prevent Jewish intermarriage.”

        Again, a point made many times here exactly the same way Duke makes it; rather than contextualizing Jewish campaigns for in-marriage as simply an attempt by a very small people to preserve their religious traditions, it is presented as a belief in Jewish supremacy.

        Duke: “The most powerful lobby in the American government, by far, over any domestic lobby, certainly any foreign lobby is AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.”

        Definitely something Mondoweiss would agree with.

        Duke: “The reason they have this power is not because they are the only people with smarts. It’s because they are very tribal. They support each other. They network with each other. They give each other a true privilege, and that’s the true privilege in this country. Harvard — 25 percent of the student body at Harvard is Jewish … if 98 percent of European-Americans can’t get similar to their percentage of the population in the leading institution of America, is that white privilege? ”

        All points made here at Mondoweiss. Jews are tribal, and their support of Israel is tribal, and Jews use their networks to advance themselves and keep others down. Phil has claimed that he and many of his generation have benefited from such networking. Phil has also argued here that there are too many Jews at Harvard precisely because of that kind of networking. After all, Jews are 3 out of 4 Democrats on the Supreme Court, right? Must be that tribal networking.

        Duke: ” If European-Americans still had a country where the media was controlled by our people for our interests, truly the majority interest of this country, we had a financial system that was in our own interest and we have a government in our own true interest, I don’t think Israel would even exist. ”

        A version of points made here at Mondoweiss. Jews use their money to influence our government to support Israel, and they’ve replaced the European-Americans (read WASPs) as the elite. Phil has made this point many times.

        Duke: ” But we can only preserve America, and the Palestinians and the other peoples of the world can only be free if we, ourselves, in America and Europe are free again from this tiny minority that controls our lives.”

        Mondoweiss says all of the time that the so-called Jewish elite he talks about should be replaced.

        There’s no qualitative difference between the ideas of David Duke and Phil Weiss. They’re the same.

        http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/talk-to-al-jazeera/articles/2015/3/5/david-duke-talks-to-ray-suarez.html

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 10:59 am

        “There’s no qualitative difference between the ideas of David Duke and Phil Weiss. They’re the same.”

        Gee, Hophmi, I’m all confused. What happened to all the self-hating-Jew disease Phil had a few days ago? The one that will cause him to “fall away”?
        So is David Duke a white-self-hater?

        I suggest everybody read Hophmi’s penultimate Mondo contribution, his essay on Jewish self-hate and Phil’s bad case of it. It’s called “The Phils will Fall away” and you will find it at:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahus-speech-israel#comment-751062

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 11:58 am

        “because the views of the extremists in the anti-Zionist community bear more than a passing resemblance to those of white supremacists.”

        Okay, Hophmi, let me make sure I’ve go this right: Phil Weiss and Max Blumenthal, SJP and JVP are like the intransigent white Southerners and the Ku Klux Klan, and the Zionists are the poor minority encumbered by years of legalized discrimination and second-class citizenship, now fighting for their rights? That’s an appealing analogy, Hophmi. Anybody can see that.

        Hophmi, that is exactly the logic you should use to attract other American minority groups to solidarity with Zionism!

      • hophmi
        March 10, 2015, 12:06 pm

        “Weiss and Max Blumenthal, SJP and JVP are like the intransigent white Southerners and the Ku Klux Klan”

        When it comes to the things they say about Jews? Yes. I’ve posted some of things that Duke said. How are they different from what Weiss and Blumenthal says?

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 2:24 pm

        “and the Zionists are the poor minority encumbered by years of legalized discrimination and second-class citizenship, now fighting for their rights?”

        That’s the part that needs confirmation for the comparison to be anything but maliciously absurd.

      • Keith
        March 10, 2015, 7:05 pm

        HOPHMI- “All points made here at Mondoweiss. Jews are tribal, and their support of Israel is tribal, and Jews use their networks to advance themselves and keep others down. Phil has claimed that he and many of his generation have benefited from such networking.”

        If we are referring to organized Jewry, particularly East Coast Ashkenazi, then the statement, as quoted, is essentially true. The fact that David Duke may have said the same thing doesn’t make it false. Additionally, your continued attempt to label what Phil and others say as something David Duke would say is a dishonest attempt to link Phil and others with David Duke. Frankly, I am not that familiar with David Duke, however, the quotes you selected seem fairly reasonable and hardly indicate anti-Semitism. Unless, of course, you have cherry-picked the more reasonable ones in the hopes of tarring Phil and Mondoweiss with other unseen quotes. Let us take one quote as an example:

        “Duke: “We have many, many Jewish organizations, very powerful organizations in this country working for what they consider to be the Jewish agenda or the Israeli agenda.”

        You dispute this? What, exactly, do you think the mission of the Conference of the Major American Jewish Organizations is? Do you think that perhaps they may pursue a Jewish agenda? Support for Israel? Are you seriously denying the reality of the existence of powerful Jewish organizations? Or that their activities benefit Jews? That they support Israel? That they are politically active and that their membership is a significant source of campaign contributions? Are you suggesting that it is anti-Semitic to discuss the role of organized Jewry in the political economy? Can you even engage in any sort of discussion without charging anti-Semitism or labeling folks as David Duke? Let us be honest, you are basically a Zionist attack dog labeling people as anti-Semites for even discussing Jews and power. An Alan Dershowitz wannabe.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 10, 2015, 7:25 pm

        thanks for spelling out your point hops.

        keith, david duke didn’t say (unless i missed it) the bolded part: Jews use their networks to advance themselves and keep others down.

        albeit organized jewry does make concerted efforts to keep their adversaries down, or people perceived to be their adversaries. but the blanket statement that “jews — keep others down”, is not something i’ve read here from phil nor recall max saying. nor duke as a matter of fact. nor do i agree with it as it pertains to jews in general and it has not been my personal experience. i think it’s a rude thing to say.

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 8:07 pm

        “There’s no qualitative difference between the ideas of David Duke and Phil Weiss. They’re the same.”

        So Hophmi, if you can prove that David Duke (or any of his associates) ever looked at Mondoweiss, why, you could probably have the entire place shut down! Is that the idea?

      • Keith
        March 10, 2015, 10:49 pm

        ANNIE- “keith, david duke didn’t say (unless i missed it) the bolded part: Jews use their networks to advance themselves and keep others down.”

        No, Hophmi said it. He implied that it was, in effect, what both David Duke and Mondoweiss are saying. Part of the problem with Hophmi always referring to David Duke is that you have to rely on Hophmi’s accuracy. That is part of the problem. To verify any of this would require reading David Duke, something I don’t plan on doing, although Hophmi seems to be a big fan of the Duke. Doesn’t it seem strange that Hophmi, TokyoBK, et al, seem to be so knowledgeable about David Duke and Stormfront, etc? Who reads this shit other than Zionists trolling for examples of anti-Semitism?

      • Kris
        March 11, 2015, 1:48 am

        Hophmi, what is it with you and ad hominem arguments?

        If a statement is true, then it is true no matter who says it. David Duke, Blumenthal, the Pope, or Donald Duck, or whoever.

      • Mooser
        March 11, 2015, 11:22 am

        “Mondoweiss would agree….”

        “Mondoweiss has said as much by….”

        “These are both sentiments expressed many times here”

        No actual quotes or links from Mondo, of course, but Hophmi knows, he knows.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 3:23 pm

        Mondoweiss has said as much by claiming that the only reason Netanyahu spoke in Congress and that Democrats attended was the role of Jewish money and Jewish presence in media and politics. Commentators here have said this far more explicitly, and you have let many of their antisemitic comments through.

        hops, the train has moved on and you’re scrambling from behind. something is not anti semitic if it’s true. what’s next, gonna claim chev shalev is like david duke? why don’t you try keeping up with the press on this speech.

        http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/.premium-1.645606

        If anyone ever decides to make a movie of ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,’ the opening scene is already done. An Israeli prime minister bewitching hundreds of American Congress members who cheer him on as if he is their Caesar and they are his legions; a few short miles away, meanwhile, the leader of the free world and sole superpower sits in the White House, helplessly seething, pretending to be otherwise engaged, while his aides studiously ignore his very public humiliation.

        …..

        “Spoiler alert,” is the caustic response of MSNBC’s prime time anchor Rachel Maddow, who was one of many to screen the clip. “We preempted and invaded Iraq and none of the nonsense you just heard about Iraq turned out be true.” After 13 years, he’s back, she added, with another “end of the world speech” – but this time the target is Iran.

        …..if the current nuclear talks between Washington and Tehran end in failure, as Netanyahu seems to want, and deteriorate from there to armed confrontation, Israel won’t have an alibi. This time Netanyahu is not a private citizen but an Israeli prime minister, claiming to speak on behalf of the entire Jewish people, not in any discrete back room talks but in a rare joint session of Congress, in one of the most widely scrutinized speeches in modern history. And contrary to the Bush administration, if the Obama administration is compelled to take military action against Iran or to back an Israeli attack that it does not want, it will do so kicking, screaming, bearing a grudge and pointing a finger at the pyromaniac who lit the fuse that caused the Middle East to explode.

        Netanyahu and his explainers protest that he had no intention of pushing America to war, but on the contrary, to prod it into making “a better deal,” as he told Congress. “I brought a practical alternative to a bad deal with Iran,” he said upon his return. The “alternative” debate might be debated but practical? Don’t make Netanyahu laugh. He and his aides know full well that from the moment the Israeli prime minister publicly demanded “more restrictions” on Iran that won’t be lifted “for as long as Iran continues its aggression in the region and in the world,” he killed off any chance that such changes will be accepted or even discussed.

        there’s nothing we’ve published here other are not saying. you just don’t like the facts and have a penchant for choosing to deal with them thru ad hominem attacks. it doesn’t matter anymore. we’re over it.

        you have not “hit a nerve” with me. not in the least. it’s just provides fodder we get to kick around for awhile. grist for the mill so to speak.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 3:40 pm

        keith, hops does that because the facts don’t completely support his argument and therefore he has to practice his “enhancement” and argue that instead. typical strawman.

        it’s just that little something he slides in there to make it all so wretched.

        and keep others down

        so tiny and sooo innocent. that “jews” “keep others down”.

        obviously, phil would never write this. but hops just had to go there. why? too much truth in the other stuff made it not damning enough? i have no idea. needless to say there’s this crap inserted to his “logic” time and again. who has time to scrutinize every word? not me.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 3:47 pm

        oh here’s another, just working my way down:

        Duke: “The most powerful lobby in the American government, by far, over any domestic lobby, certainly any foreign lobby is AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.”

        Definitely something Mondoweiss would agree with.

        i wouldn’t say “The most powerful lobby in the American government, by far, over any domestic lobby”

        i think the nra is the most powerful lobby. and it’s the most powerful lobby because it needs to be because the opposition is so strong. definitely the most powerful domestic lobby. but yes, obviously aipac is the most powerful foreign lobby. why is that anti semitic. it’s sort of a no brainer.

        hops, why don’t you give us an example of a more powerful foreign lobby.

        the reason foreign policy is such a big deal, and therefore lobbies dealing with FP are such a big deal, is because 60% of fed funds are spent on the defense budget, as opposed to domestic affairs. it also determines whether our county goes to war. therefore, the most powerful FP lobby, as opposed to a domestic lobby, one could argue has a more impact than a domestic lobby. but still i think the nra is the most powerful lobby, that and the drug companies.

      • Keith
        March 11, 2015, 3:49 pm

        HOPHMI- “…rather than contextualizing Jewish campaigns for in-marriage as simply an attempt by a very small people to preserve their religious traditions, it is presented as a belief in Jewish supremacy.”

        Religious traditions? When a secular Jew (why still considered a “Jew”?) “intermarries” with a non-Jewish atheist, Rabbis are rightfully upset because this threatens their “religious traditions?” Two atheists marrying is a threat to Judaism? When the mostly atheist founders of the “Jewish State” founded Israel it was because they wished to preserve their religious traditions which they ridiculed in private?

        In your ongoing propaganda offensive, you bounce between Jews as followers of the Judaic religion, or Jews as a discreet ethnicity, or Jews as maintaining some sort of tradition, depending upon which characterization is more effective to make your point. Interestingly, Israel Shahak considered Zionism as a throwback to Classical Judaism as a unifier of world Jewry and a reaction to the enlightenment and assimilation which posed an existential threat to the tribal ideology. I agree. Zionist Jews seek to maintain Jewish tribal solidarity as a group strategy. Obviously, an effective one if power accumulation is the goal.

  12. atime forpeace
    March 9, 2015, 4:29 pm

    Congratulations Max Blumenthal! Mazel Tov!

    They will not listen to reason; their response, suppression.

  13. ivri
    March 9, 2015, 5:06 pm

    People underestimate the impact of the Charlie killings on French people and France. It is not considered there yet another terror attack but a watershed event that will gradually change very many things in the general attitude in France. Before that event, Blumental would have never been blocked – simply, nobody would have cared too much plus there was also some “understanding for the justified anger of Arabs for what Israel does to their Palestinian brethren”. That`s over now.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 9, 2015, 9:30 pm

      there was also some “understanding for the justified anger of Arabs for what Israel does to their Palestinian brethren”. That`s over now.

      over? for everyone? i seriously doubt that.

      • ivri
        March 10, 2015, 2:10 am

        I meant over in the sense of tolerating violence in France, or even just public troubles, as an “understandable” reaction to what goes on here. They understand now that this cannot be calibrated. Once you accept violence or public disorder because presumably it only concerns “others”(which included French Jews) while and we are safe and OK, that is they will never do that to us (particularly because here in Europe we also don`t like Israel) – sooner or later it will move on to other “resentment” targets.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 10, 2015, 1:42 pm

        Thank you for a thoroughly incoherent post, Ivri. Made all the more incoherent by the fact that Max’s speech will go ahead anyway. The bullying didn’t work. I find that’s happening more and more often these days.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 10, 2015, 1:57 pm

        I meant over in the sense of tolerating violence in France

        iow ivri, you didn’t mean “justified anger”, you meant justified violence.

        like this: understanding for the justified violence of Arabs for what Israel does to their Palestinian brethren

        except as far as i know the only kind of violence some of the french (but not most) were justifying was the JDL kind, like the day of the gaza protests. oh they were screaming bloody murder about it and how anti semitic it was til the video came out showing it was instigated by the cowardly jewish thugs and their brethren. busted!

      • eljay
        March 10, 2015, 2:08 pm

        || ivreee: Once you accept violence or public disorder because presumably it only concerns “others” … while and we are safe and OK, that is they will never do that to us … – sooner or later it will move on to other “resentment” targets. ||

        You’re absolutely right: People should not accept supremacism, occupation, colonialism, expansionism, torture, murder and other (war) crimes because presumably it only concerns “others” (such as the Palestinians for the past 60+ years) and you think you’re safe. Sooner or later, it will move on to other targets.

    • Kay24
      March 9, 2015, 10:03 pm

      Much as you may hope it is over, I seriously doubt that. Europeans have the ability, unlike Americans, to differentiate the violence by extremists, and the plight of the long suffering Palestinians. The recent calls for BDS against Israel, and the votes in their parliaments showing willingness to recognize a Palestinian state, strongly shows it. Meanwhile in the US Congress it was an ugly show of support for the man responsible for the massacre of civilians last year.

  14. just
    March 9, 2015, 10:24 pm

    In good news (that I missed until this minute~ apologies if it has already been posted!)

    “London’s SOAS backs Israel boycott in referendum landslide

    Campaigners at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, are celebrating a big victory for the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement after a referendum to endorse an academic boycott of Israel passed by a landslide.

    The results, released Friday after five days of voting, showed that an overwhelming 73 percent of more than two thousand voters backed the boycott. Those eligible to vote on whether SOAS should cut all ties with Israeli academic institutions included students, faculty and contract staff.

    Although other university communities, student unions and academic bodies in several countries have backed the boycott in referendums, the all-inclusive nature of the SOAS vote is precedent setting.

    Following the announcement of the results, the SOAS “Yes” Campaign issued a statement emphazising that the victory “has demonstrated the popular appeal of BDS as a powerful form of protest and resistance.”

    “By voting in favor of the academic boycott, the SOAS community has confirmed its unwavering commitment to freedom, equality and justice for all Palestinians and has reasserted its call for an end to Israeli apartheid, oppressive occupation, and settler-colonialism,” the statement, quoted in full below, adds.”

    much more @ http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rana-baker/londons-soas-backs-israel-boycott-referendum-landslide

  15. John Salisbury
    March 10, 2015, 5:23 am

    Max is marvellous .That’s why they won’t debate him and why they go to absurd lengths to shut him down.

  16. just
    March 10, 2015, 10:53 am

    Another reversal!

    Good job organizers, and to the internationally outraged!

  17. hophmi
    March 10, 2015, 11:27 am

    Again, there’s a rise in antisemitism throughout Europe. Max Blumenthal directly contributes to that every time he shows up by making the same kind of arguments David Duke does. It’s not surprising that some would connect the two. There’s really not much difference between the far-left and the far-right.

    • Mooser
      March 10, 2015, 12:47 pm

      “he shows up by making the same kind of arguments David Duke does.”

      So I guess Jewish self-hatred is out, no longer applicable, and the problem with Phil, Max etc, is excessive Jewish self-regard? Of course, Hophmi, that makes perfect sense.
      Only a Jew who had the excessive, puffed-up opinion of himself would give a shit about Palestinians. I get it. So Phil and Max are acting out of excessive Jewish self-love, not self-hate!

      Of course, either way, man are they screwed if they don’t listen to you! Anybody can see that. They will never make it to the boards-of-directors of two secret Muslim outreach organizations

    • Sycamores
      March 10, 2015, 3:52 pm

      Hophmi,

      comparing Max Blumenthal to a white supremacist, nazi and a Holocaust denier should be beneath you. with comparisions like this your future comments could become irrelevant.

      you accuse the messenger for inciting anti-semitism, you chose to ignore the message which is base on facts of Israeli criminal behavior which is directly involved in the increase anti-semitism. so long as the Israeli PM and others claims to speaks for all Jews this will be the unfortunate side effect.

      Max Blumenthal and others like him should be praise for educating people and preventing the rise of anti-semitism by simply stating that the Jewish people like any other group of people are not a monolith and don’t stand with Israel criminal racist policies.

      however if you can find fault with any of the facts that Max Blumenthal have stated please present them.

      i’m glad the Paris university reverses it decision i truly believe this will help everyone.

      • hophmi
        March 10, 2015, 3:59 pm

        Look, David Duke hates other people besides the Jews, and maybe Max doesn’t. But their views on the Jewish community are too close to be ignored.

        There are plenty of Palestinians and other Middle Easterners in Paris to preach to students without Max playing convenient Jewish prop a la Pablo Christiani. Advocating for the Palestinians is perfectly OK. Bashing Jews to do it is not.

      • justicewillprevail
        March 10, 2015, 6:38 pm

        Max B is about close to Duke, as you are to Goebbels. If you want to play that stupid game. You are utterly ridiculous.

      • Mooser
        March 10, 2015, 9:59 pm

        “Look, David Duke hates other people besides the Jews, and maybe Max doesn’t.”

        Gosh, Hophmi, what a charming way you have about you. You may (oh, so infrequently) lose an argument, but I’m sure you always gain several friends in the process.

      • hophmi
        March 11, 2015, 8:28 am

        Unfortunately, it’s not a game. These views, which posit that there’s some Jewish conspiracy to control the United States, have become part and parcel of the BDS movement. They are almost identical to those of white supremacists like Duke. They mimic very old antisemitic tropes. And they are untrue. And until they are examined, and rejected, by the BDS movement that promotes them, I will continue to point out the similarity. Left-wing and right-wing extremism have conspiratorial beliefs in common, including their beliefs regarding the power of Jews to influence world events, and their belief that Jews act for themselves, apart from others in their societies. Those views have a home here at Mondoweiss and in the BDS movement.

      • seafoid
        March 11, 2015, 9:01 am

        The 30s tropes were based on Scrooge McDucks pulling strings in American finance, Hophs. Nothing to do with regular Jews, the ones who paid the price.
        And it’s happening again.

      • OyVey00
        March 11, 2015, 10:43 am

        They’re tropes because they’re true.

      • hophmi
        March 11, 2015, 11:14 am

        Always nice when people own up to their bigotry.

      • Mooser
        March 11, 2015, 11:39 am

        “Look, David Duke hates other people besides the Jews, and maybe Max doesn’t.”

        LITBM*! Thanks for the generous dose, Hophmi!

        (*Laughter is the best medicine.)

      • justicewillprevail
        March 11, 2015, 2:43 pm

        It is a game, as far as you are concerned. You play it every time, and make yourself the object of derision which you so richly deserve. You simply are not serious, your only strategy is to continue to hurl absurd provocations at people and desperately try and smear them. Or of course, try the schoolboy dime novel psychology, as you did so laughably on Phil. You repeat the same tired old canards and stupid comparisons ad nauseam, and it is not worth replying or taking seriously, since you are incapable of dialogue, only wheeling out the same pathetic accusations without any foundation or relationship with reality. Max has written a book you hate because it exposes the reality of the occupation and apartheid. you hate Phil because he writes eloquently and convincingly. You have nothing to offer but sneers and smears. So don’t waste our time.

      • Kris
        March 11, 2015, 4:20 pm

        So, Hophmi, you seem to agree that the truth of a statement does not depend on who says it.

        For the sake of discussion here, could you back up your arguments with actual facts. I would love to know what makes you think that Congress is not controlled by big donors, most of them Zionists, and why you think Congress jumps up and down like puppets for Israel if they are not, in fact, Israel’s puppets.

      • Keith
        March 11, 2015, 7:15 pm

        HOPHMI- “They mimic very old antisemitic tropes. And they are untrue. And until they are examined, and rejected, by the BDS movement that promotes them, I will continue to point out the similarity.”

        First of all, I am unfamiliar with these so called anti-Semitic tropes used by the BDS movement. Any examples? Furthermore, any honest evaluation of the reality of these “tropes” will inevitably result in you accusing the commenter of anti-Semitism and/or Jew hatred and/or “mimic(ing) very old antisemitic tropes.” By the way, care to comment on the use of these tropes by the early Zionists?

    • Mooser
      March 10, 2015, 9:55 pm

      “Max Blumenthal directly contributes to that every time he shows up by making the same kind of arguments David Duke does.”

      Yes, Hophmi, I’m sure that’s just how it goes at the places Blumenthal speaks! One week, it’s Max Blumenthal, and the next week they are hosting David Duke.
      A few more comments and you will have them on speaking tours together. You’ve really out-done yourself in the past couple of day, Hoph, what with the self-hate epistle, and now hazarding the Duke argument.

      • Mooser
        March 11, 2015, 11:28 am

        “These views…”

        Hold up Hoph, whoa, horsie! You supplied some alleged quotes from David Duke but you never supplied a single quote from a Mondo author to substantiate your comparison.
        And instead of doing that, (supplying evidence and no, not the comment section) you double down, and are now arguing as if these views, derived solely from anti-semitic tropes are the stated views of Mondo.

        You should probably stay out of Central Park, Hophmi, a lot of people don’t pick up after their pooch.

    • Kris
      March 11, 2015, 11:43 am

      @Hophmi: Blumenthal and Duke make the same kind of arguments.

      Try this, Hophmi: A square has four sides.

      Netanyahu says a square has four sides. Steven Harper says a square has four sides. All rabbis agree a square has four sides.

      But then Max Blumenthal says a square has four sides. Now we should doubt that a square has four sides?

      If a statement is true, it is true no matter who agrees with it.

      • hophmi
        March 11, 2015, 1:13 pm

        It is true that a square has four sides. That’s an objective statement. It is not true that small cabal of Jews controls the foreign policy of the United States for their own interests. That’s an antisemitic smear. It is common on the far-left on sites like this, and it is common on the far-right, amongst people like David Duke. I have no trouble talking about elites in the Jewish community. I have a problem with people who take that and suggest that not only are these elites in control of our country, which is ridiculous enough, but that they exercise that control not in the American interest, but in their own interest as Jews. That’s garden variety antisemitism that mimics the antisemitism of the 19th and 20th centuries, and it is common to David Duke and Max Blumenthal and Phil Weiss. It is why Phil Weiss lost his job at the NY Observer, and it is why Max Blumenthal should not be given a campus platform.

        You can’t deal with this reality because it’s too uncomfortable for most of you to think that you might have gone over to the dark side here.

      • Keith
        March 11, 2015, 6:57 pm

        HOPHMI- “It is common on the far-left on sites like this….”

        Mondoweiss far left? Have you lost your mind? Mondoweiss is barely left of center, safely “liberal” in the perjorative sense of the term.

        Hophmi- “I have a problem with people who take that and suggest that not only are these elites in control of our country, which is ridiculous enough, but that they exercise that control not in the American interest, but in their own interest as Jews.”

        While they are not a majority of the imperial elites, nonetheless, Jews are a significant and integral part of the elite oligarchy which runs things. If by “American interest(s)” you mean the best interests of the 99%, then few, if any, of the elites, neither Jew nor Gentile, works to promote the interests of the citizenry. In fact, neoliberal globalization is intended to weaken the 99% and solidify elite control in a form of neofeudalism. Virtually all of the elites pursue their own power-seeking interests. For Jews this would usually involve actions to reinforce tribal solidarity which provides a competitive advantage vis a vis non-Jewish elites.

        Hophmi- “You can’t deal with this reality because it’s too uncomfortable for most of you to think that you might have gone over to the dark side here.”

        Dark side? The dark side is supporting warfare and empire. Supporting the ongoing massacre of Palestinians in Gaza is the dark side. Supporting imperial destabilization in the Ukraine is the dark side. Supporting the ongoing attempt to destabilize Venezuela is the dark side. Supporting US/Israel nuclear blackmail is the dark side. Supporting neoliberal globalization is the dark side. Are there any of these which you don’t support?

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2015, 7:22 pm

        It is not true that small cabal of Jews controls the foreign policy of the United States for their own interests.

        hops, can’t you just stick to statements that have been made on this site to make whatever argument it is you want to make? or is that too much to ask?

        It is common on the far-left on sites like this

        if it’s so common that phil and max say this by all means just quote them for heaven’s sakes. let’s not toy around with your paraphrasing.

        I have a problem with people who take that and suggest that not only are these elites in control of our country, which is ridiculous enough, but that they exercise that control not in the American interest

        so what? i have a problem with your paraphrasing. i also have a problem with a supreme court decision that allows for billionaires to inject 100’s of millions into our political system to benefit their own interests. and yes, adelson injects that money for his own interests, or what he perceives to be israel’s best interest, which is his #1 priority and benefits his own interests. war in the middle east is not in americas best interest. that’s my opinion. war with iran is not in america’s best interest. that’s my opinion. if you think it’s anti semitic i don’t care.

        nor do i believe it is in the best interest of jews. but netanyahu thinks it is!

        That’s garden variety antisemitism

        then garden variety anti semitism is not anti semitism as far as i am concerned. i could crae less if it hurts your feelings or you have a problem with it. just like i could care less if some jews at UCBerkeley are traumatized by someone using the hashtag #dintifada.

        absorb this: you don’t get to make all the rules. don’t expect the world to pussy foot around jewish gatekeeper’s sensibilities of what is or is not ok. that’s not how the real world works.

        You can’t deal with this reality because it’s too uncomfortable for most of you

        it’s your reality, you can’t speak for anyone elses. this topic is not uncomfortable for me in the least. i think you’re wrong. let this be your rude awakening, you don’t make the rules either here or out in the real world.

        It is true that a square has four sides. That’s an objective statement.

        it’s also an objective statement that a few rich jews dumped millions into the coffers of politicians to do their bidding. live with it, because we have to.

        and the #1 trending hashtag this morning when i woke up was:

        Trends · Change
        #47Traitors
        #5WordDealBreakers
        Jeremy Clarkson
        RIP Kirby
        #hopecadenza
        Jimmy Graham
        #Zoolander2
        Blurred Lines
        #PMQs
        Top Gear

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/militaristic-adelson-kristol/
        http://www.lobelog.com/gops-man-of-the-moment-promoted-by-rjcs-singer-and-adelson/

      • Mooser
        March 13, 2015, 12:21 pm

        “It is true that a square has four sides.”

        Exactly, Hophmi! And as Mattie told Hattie: “Let’s don’t take no chance Let’s not be “L7″, come and learn to dance!”

        Watch it, now! Here it comes!

        I can never figure those guys out. One minute Zionism is being attacked by the “far left”. That makes Zionism the poor beleaguered capitalists or royalists, the last remains of the ancient regime? And the next minute, Zionism is the poor, enslaved Afro-American, persecuted by racists of the right such as David Duke.
        It makes me dizzy, they shift shapes so frequently.

      • Mooser
        March 13, 2015, 12:33 pm

        “That’s garden variety antisemitism”

        Try combining it with arugula and sun-dried tomatoes for a healthy and delicious salad!

  18. just
    March 10, 2015, 2:02 pm

    Read Max’s tweets here about how the extremists are still trying to shut him down:

    https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal

  19. Kathleen
    March 11, 2015, 4:54 pm

    Thanks for the update about the talk..taking place.

    Hoping there will be access to talk. There are few who could argue with Max and the facts. Would love to witness Max go up against Dershowitz. Has this ever happened?

    • Mooser
      March 13, 2015, 12:23 pm

      I sorta Googled that Kathleen, (“Blumenthal Dershowitz”) on your suggestion, and I think Max is tweeting about Dersh and his imbroglio at the seraglio lately.

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