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Herzog lost Israeli election because he didn’t have blood on his hands — Shalev

At an event on the Israeli elections at the Manhattan JCC last month (March 19th in this list of podcasts, 1:13), an audience member asked why Isaac Herzog of Labor lost the election when polls were showing Labor and its Zionist Camp partnership doing very well– and what would it take for a left-of-center Israeli to win?

Chemi Shalev, the US editor for Haaretz, answered:

From the day that Netanyahu announced the elections, this was portrayed as a referendum about Netanyahu, yes or no. And Netanyahu was under attack from all sides. And so a decision was made in the Herzog campaign that he would maintain a low profile, and that Netanyahu would be exposed to the attacks against him, and that would whittle down his support.

That may have been a wise decision given that Herzog is not a very charismatic politician. And he didn’t exude the kind of charisma that is perhaps necessary in order for the left to have a theoretical chance to win. And the people around him didn’t exude the kind of confidence that you would expect if you have a leader with charisma. And the fact is that the only two times that Labor has won since 1977 is when they had proven generals, heroes, who had a lot of experience– excuse me, who had blood on their hands– and who could project themselves, you know they’re tough guys and nobody is going to take advantage of them. And all the other cases, when they had civilian candidates, they lost.

So if you ask me what Labor should have done, it should have had a different candidate. But they didn’t have one in the ranks. People were talking about Yuval Diskin, former head of Shabak. I have no idea whether he would have been a good candidate or not.

If there’s one thing I have to say about the media… where did the media go wrong? I think a lot of people in the media knew that Herzog was not really the best candidate or perhaps not even a fitting candidate, but most of the media is against Netanyahu, so it was convenient for everyone to focus on Netanyahu’s deficiencies, rather than to admit that we just haven’t produced a candidate that can win even under these very positive circumstances for the anti-Netanyahu forces…

I think if we– if the left had a serious candidate, it would have had a serious chance of taking these elections.

Chemi Shalev, US editor of Haaretz
Chemi Shalev, US editor of Haaretz

Shalev also said at the event that a large portion of Israelis tend to see politicians who would give up land in the West Bank to make peace as “freiers,” or suckers. The event was moderated by Ethan Bronner of Bloomberg and led by Rabbi Ayelet Cohen, who is a social justice liberal. It seems to me that American Jewish leaders should be doing more to explain to Americans the rightwing nature of Israeli society, and the reasons that some have termed leading elements of Israeli political culture fascist.

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Looks like Butcher Bibi is having difficulties forming a coalition, anyone know why? I thought he had this thing in the bag? Might be time to drop some more bombs on Gaza.

Herzog is attacked here by his supposed friends as not a serious candidate, charisma-lacking, insufficient “cajones” in the made-man department, perceived as a “freyer” by the right-wingers who think peace is a dangerous illusion. I hope Mondoweiss isn’t becoming an organ for Netanyahu propaganda. As blah chick points out, it is Netanyahu who is down to his last 16 days of overtime to get his coalition formed, or Herzog may be asked to form a government, and he would need only Kahlon to pull it off with a very thin 3 vote margin, including the Arab parties.

Netanyahu took votes from Bennett and Lieberman to pull the election out, but they don’t want to give up so much, because the early elections were supposed to make for a right wing government with greater clarity and unity. He’s had to promise a lot to Kahlon and the religious parties, he’s tried to bluff Bennett and Lieberman into taking less, holding out the possibility that Herzog would come in, now its Herzog’s character, or lack of it, that is being attacked, as if Netanyahu doesn’t want anyone to seriously think of entrusting the government formation to him Herzog.

A little military action on the side would play into Netanyahu’s supposed strong-man side, undermine Herzog at the same time.

I guess my question is why do we need to pander to the right-wing settler movement?

And maybe Herzog only appears weak to people used to Netanyahu’s heavy hand. Maybe his strength will reveal itself through more intelligent approaches to long-term problems that keep getting worse under Netanyahu’s leadership.

RE: “Shalev also said at the event that a large portion of Israelis tend to see politicians who would give up land in the West Bank to make peace as ‘freiers’, or suckers.” ~ Weiss

FROM quora.com [frayer]:

[EXCERPTS] There is one correct definition of the term frayer. It means “sucker” or “mark,” in the sense that somebody is a sucker if he goes along with the rules when nobody else is following them, or a mark if he’s a naive target for thieves. . .
. . . In Israeli life and society, the worst thing anybody can ever be is a frayer, and most people will do anything and everything they can at all times to avoid being a frayer. The only way to be certain at any given moment that you are not a frayer is to make somebody else a frayer.

SOURCE – http://www.quora.com/

ALSO SEE: “It’s a Sin to Be a Sucker in Israel”, by Marjorie Miller, L.A. Times, 7/25/1997

[EXCERPT] JERUSALEM — Why does an Israeli driver speed up when another car signals its intent to enter his traffic lane? Because he doesn’t want to be a freier–a sucker. . .
. . . So does the fear of being a sucker bear upon peace negotiations?

Israel’s bottom line in a peace accord with the Palestinians will be determined by “the sense that they are making decisions governing the existence of the Jewish state and future of the Jewish people,” said a U.S. diplomat in Israel. Not by the fear of being a sucker.
And yet, peace negotiations are affected by the fact that neither Israelis nor Palestinians want to risk being a sucker by making concessions before the other side does.
In negotiations, an American generally will put his cards on the table, expect the other side to do the same and assume that a happy compromise lives somewhere in the middle. But Israelis and Palestinians do not bargain in this way.
“Both sides believe anything offered up first will be pocketed by the other side,” said the diplomat, who asked not to be identified.
“Whenever things break down, this is usually the problem. They will hold out carrots but do not want to give one up until they are sure the other side will give.”
Lucy Shahar, co-author of the book “Border Crossings: American Interactions With Israelis,” explained that, in the case of Israelis, this is because they do not share the American belief in win-win negotiations. “In his heart of hearts, an Israeli believes that is impossible,” Shahar said. “In the Middle East, usually someone loses badly. Nothing in the Israeli experience suggests that everyone wins here or in the diaspora.” . . .

ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/25/news/mn-16208

And the US taxpayers annually spend the largest chunk of their total foreign aid on this Israeli mentality, plus interest–guess who’s the collective frayer? And the second largest chunk on Egypt–but only so long as Egypt place nice with Israel. Same fryer. And why? AIPAC matrix impact on elected US politicians in an arena where money talks, is free speech, and everything else walks. Yet AIPAC is not deemed the agent of a foreign country, doesn’t have to register as such and so, remains the blooming flower in the closet. Who’s the frayer?