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(The following was written by a friend who wishes to remain anonymous. This piece has my byline because I agree, and I’ll steal anything that isn’t nailed down.)

The Israeli newssite Ynet carried an interesting report last week. The Israelis are preparing to accept the Iran deal the P5+1 have forged, but they will extract some giant favors from the U.S. to do so.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could either continue to fight the deal or he could swallow the deal, asking in return far-reaching benefits from the US, the sources said…

A high-ranking government official told Ynet’s sister publication Yedioth Ahronoth that “The White House is willing to pay a hefty price to get some quiet from the Israelis at this point. We are surprised the demand has not been made.”

… the White House is willing to seriously consider substantial compensation to Israel so long as it does not provoke strong protest against the agreement until the deal is signed in July.

Sheesh. We gotta bribe the Israelis not to fight the deal. What could that mean?

According to these sources, at a meeting between the Pentagon and State Department, various possibilities that could meet Israeli demands were discussed – with the most reasonable option thought to be an increase in the amount of F-35 fighter jets given to Israel.

Much of the criticism of Israel in the west is based on a humanitarian concern for the Palestinians. Any person in the world can legitimately share that concern.

But the Israeli attitude conveyed above is a reason why Americans can be justified in simply disliking Israel, regardless of whatever it does or doesn’t do to the Palestinians. It’s the ingratitude and the sense of entitlement. America has spent a ton of money and diplomatic capital on Israel over the decades. Umpteen UN Security Council vetoes, 10’s of billions, a war or two against its enemies. And this is how it’s going to repay that friendship?

George Lakoff

George Lakoff

There is a line of argument here that could really confound U.S. “conservative” support for Israel. According to George Lakoff, the moral frame of the conservative is that a strict father needs to impose discipline on the unruly child:

“The strict father provides nurturance and expresses his devotion to his family by supporting and protecting them, but just as importantly by setting and enforcing strict moral bounds and by inculcating self-discipline and self-reliance through hard work and self-denial. This builds character. For the strict father, strictness is a form of nurturance and love — tough love.”

Israel gets some support from U.S. conservatives because it appears to be tough and strict. Shoot rockets at us and we will give you a walloping. The more folks on the left complain that Israel is too tough on the Palestinians, the more U.S. conservatives think, Hey that is just how you have to deal with those ill-behaved subjects.

But the Ynet article above portrays a different aspect of Israeli behavior: Israel as the spoiled child. It wanted daddy to go to war with Iran and now because it didn’t get its way it’s going to throw a tantrum until daddy gives it some goodies.

Portray Israel this way and you will seriously challenge the worldview of conservative Israel supporters. Every conservative knows that you don’t give in to a child’s tantrum. Daddy should impose a bit of discipline.

 

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  1. joemowrey
    May 21, 2015, 4:00 pm

    With all the problems the F-35 has (Business Insider has called it a “historic $1 trillion disaster”) Israel may get just what it deserves by asking for more of these lead anchors. Ain’t the irony grand.

    • Shingo
      May 21, 2015, 5:30 pm

      Indeed it is. I was thinking the same thing. The F35 is turning out to be the biggest and most expensive white elephant if all time. Them Israel all the F35s they want. I suspect the USAF is only too happy to get rid of them.

      • Walker
        May 21, 2015, 6:25 pm

        We’ll wind up giving them money to pay for their upkeep.

  2. amigo
    May 21, 2015, 4:14 pm

    We can now add extortion to the latest Israeli insult to the American taxpayers.Will Americans ever get tired of being used and abused by this miscreant toddler.

    It reminds me of a small child who wants mommy to buy a toy and refuses to stop screaming until mommy gives in.

    Just when you thought you had heard it all.

    Btw, will Israel use the F35,s to do some lawn mowing.

  3. Laurent Weppe
    May 21, 2015, 4:22 pm

    Every conservative knows that you don’t give in to a child’s tantrum.

    I’ve seen way many self-proclaimed “tough” conservatives turning into ludicrously caricatural hippies as soon as their kids were the ones throwing the tantrum.

  4. just
    May 21, 2015, 4:24 pm

    This also demonstrates that all the screeching about Iran by Netanyahu et al was only Zionist screeching. Now the screechers plan on extorting the US taxpayer by getting more killing machines.

    Iran never posed a threat to Israel nor the US. You wrote that “Daddy should impose a bit of discipline.” I think that “Daddy” should slam exacting sanctions on Israel asap while speaking loud and clear about the threat to humankind that comes from Tel Aviv and the US’ complicity in it.

    Thanks for covering this, Phil and ‘friend’.

  5. pabelmont
    May 21, 2015, 4:36 pm

    Geo Lakoff is confused, at least as far as applying his strict-father theory to “conservative” politicians.

    The latter strongly (how strongly? Let me count the ways!) support giveaways to entities they approve of, usually successful corporations, but in this case, a successful nasty pipsqueak regime, Israel. These strict-father folks — although more than adequately skinflinty and denying and strict to the poor, the sick, the workers, the old, and all other human needy — actually like to dole out favors, profitable contracts, tax breaks, regulatory relief, even the opportunity to draft legislation (such as the Cheney energy statute drafted in secret by big-energy honchos) and to draft treaties (such as the draft TPP protection-of-international-investors treaty misleadingly called a “free trade treaty”) for submission to Congress. These “conservatives” believe in the use of extra-large shovels to shovel out treasure from the federal fisc for the benefit of these sorts of “deserving rich” and require no work or anything else from them in exchange, not even much in the way of paying taxes.

    (Liberals are also contradictory: although they support the sick, the lame, the poor, the old, etc., they also support the big-banks, big-energy, big-defense, etc. And, of course, big-Zion.)

  6. oldgeezer
    May 21, 2015, 5:08 pm

    According to other reports I have read this fift from the US is not to get Israel to accept the deal but to keep mum until it is signed. Whether that is better or worse is a matter of view.

    I cant provide links at the moment but it was either jpost.times of israel or the guardian.

    • Citizen
      May 22, 2015, 9:17 am

      Israeli press says it’s just to keep Israel not screeching and only until the Iran Deal is signed. Have seen nothing on this in US main media.

  7. Kay24
    May 21, 2015, 5:32 pm

    It shows just how greedy these zionists are. They have to be bribed TO DO THE RIGHT THING even for themselves. Once we even offered them fighter jets just to get their sorry behinds to a table to talk peace with the Palestinians, but they rejected that too, after all they seem to prefer the status quo which gives them the opportunity to keep their land thieving going on.

    Here is President Obama during an interview with Jeff Goldberg (?) It seems he made sure that being against illegal settlements is not anti Israel or anti Jewish.

    “What I also think is that there has been a very concerted effort on the part of some political forces to equate being pro-Israel, and hence being supportive of the Jewish people, with a rubber stamp on a particular set of policies coming out of the Israeli government,” he said. “So if you are questioning settlement policy, that indicates you’re anti-Israeli, or that indicates you’re anti-Jewish. If you express compassion or empathy towards Palestinian youth, who are dealing with checkpoints or restrictions on their ability to travel, then you are suspect in terms of your support of Israel. If you are willing to get into public disagreements with the Israeli government, then the notion is that you are being anti-Israel, and by extension, anti-Jewish. I completely reject that.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.657636http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.657636

  8. Bumblebye
    May 21, 2015, 6:49 pm

    I aint seeing a strict parent. I see the adulterer favoring the “love-child” over the legitimate ones, especially those that came along after the affair began…minorities and the new civil rights, the expansion of the poor, and on…

  9. Keith
    May 21, 2015, 7:54 pm

    PHIL- “…the most reasonable option thought to be an increase in the amount of F-35 fighter jets given to Israel.”

    So, is Obama bribing Israel or throwing money at Lockheed Martin? Wasn’t there a thread a little while back where Obama tried to give Israel additional F-35s and Netanyahu said no? And weren’t there more than a few Mondoweiss commenters who claimed Netanyahu was throwing Lockheed Martin under the bus by turning down those planes? And now he is a spoiled child for accepting these planes? Let us be honest here, Obama spends an inordinate amount of time looking for ways to throw money at the MIC. Also, Obama may be increasing Israel’s strike capacity for when the empire utilizes Israel to attack Iran, a real possibility.

    • tree
      May 22, 2015, 12:06 am

      As usual, Israel and its own military-industrial complex will benefit from the arrangement, to the detriment of US firms.

      Israel’s defense industry could reap major contracts under a reported agreement by the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin to install Israeli-made electronic warfare systems in the F-35I, the designation of the Israeli versions of the JSF.

      Sources familiar with the negotiations say the program is worth $450 million to Israeli defense contractors for the first batch of F-35s.

      Israel has been pressing the Pentagon and Lockheed to allow them to install Israeli electronic equipment, including electronic countermeasures, command systems, radios and datalinks, to integrate Israeli-made weapons systems into the F-35s it buys.

      The Israelis usually insist on that and got their way with their fleets of F-15Is and F-16Is but on this project, with various versions of the F-35 due to equip the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps, the Americans have been more reluctant than usual to give Israel access to the F-35’s software code that’s required to integrate non-U.S. systems.

      “Based on the order options it has committed to, Israel is expecting to share about $1 billion worth of buyback related to the F-35 program,” Defense Update magazine reported.

      “The system integration deal … will allow an increased participation by Israeli industries in the JSF program.”

      Among the companies likely to benefit are state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries which will build wings for the aircraft. Another is Elrisa, a subsidiary of the leading electronic equipment manufacturer Elbit Systems, the air force’s main electronic warfare systems supplier.

      http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/02/12/Israel-gets-ready-for-F-35s-new-trainers/70191360701881/

      • Citizen
        May 22, 2015, 9:32 am

        @ Peter Field
        See tree’s comment.
        Generally, of the usual annual $3.1Billion military aid US gives Israel, plus interest, 26% does not go back to US weapons companies; instead, it is devoted to subsidize Israel’s own weapons industry in direct competition with US companies. Israel is the only foreign state with such a deal re the interest and subsidizing of foreign competition. Just one of every transaction between US & Israel where Israel is a unique case, and always gets the better deal. Our very first FTA was with Israel in 1985 and it clearly is not reciprocal; in fact it’s the result of Israel First spies in US who slipped to the Israeli negotiation team ahead of the talks the complete strategy of the US negotiation team and all the details on the US companies involved in the background.
        Congress has never had the guts to reform this crappy deal even though the spy element is now well known.

      • Boo
        May 22, 2015, 4:58 pm

        Well, we’ve seen wings fall off this type of stealth fighter before. But of course when this happens with the F-35, we must remember the wings are built by an Israeli company. So in this instance, it will be reported that the body fell off the wings and not vice versa.

      • Keith
        May 22, 2015, 6:07 pm

        TREE- UPI quote: “Israel’s defense industry could reap major contracts under a reported agreement by the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin to install Israeli-made electronic warfare systems in the F-35I, the designation of the Israeli versions of the JSF.”

        Terrific. In addition to throwing money at the US MIC, this will further integrate Israel into the global military system making the Israeli economy increasingly dependent upon Pentagon funding. Perhaps this is why most Jewish Zionists are militaristic empire Jews?

  10. Peter Feld
    May 21, 2015, 8:34 pm

    The missing piece is that all that money for F-35s goes right back to Lockheed Martin. So Israelis don’t see this as picking America’s pockets. Neither do US conservatives, who like enriching defense contractors and the 1%, and won’t get upset.

    • oldgeezer
      May 21, 2015, 8:45 pm

      Well I guess when you grow up in a welfare state it is understandable that you don’t comprehend that your shiny new toys cost someone money.

    • straightline
      May 21, 2015, 11:19 pm

      I am a taxpayer of a close ally of the US, that is, one that sends its young into several conflicts to fight alongside American soldiers (Australia). This country is paying many billions of dollars for this aircraft. Since this is not picking America’s pockets, please, can we have some free samples too?

    • Citizen
      May 22, 2015, 9:13 am

      Many Western countries worked with US on research & development of the F-35; Israel did not contribute. Those F-35s are very expensive. They are only part of the deal to keep Israel quiet only until the Iran Deal is signed (It will start squealing again before the ink is dry, to get more from US). The Pentagon also offered, additional to the F-35s (which will bring the total up to 50 gifted to Israel):
      8,000 smart bombs
      14,500 smart bomb guidance systems
      50 bunker busters
      4,100 small” bombs (110 kilograms of explosives)
      3000 Hellfire Missils (For Attack Apache helicopters)
      Total cost !.8 Billion
      Plus 3000 bomb guidance systems

      • Citizen
        May 22, 2015, 9:46 am

        typo: correx: $1.8 Billion

  11. JLewisDickerson
    May 21, 2015, 10:18 pm

    RE: “There is a line of argument here that could really confound U.S. ‘conservative’ support for Israel. According to George Lakoff, the moral frame of the conservative is that a strict father needs to impose discipline on the unruly child . . .” ~ Weiss & friend

    MY COMMENT: Spare the rod and spoil the child client state! ! !

    FROM WIKTIONARY (spare the rod and spoil the child):

    spare the rod and spoil the child

    • Etymology

    Commonly claimed to have come from:
    · King James Version of the Bible, Book of Proverbs, 13:24
    “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”

    Due to the associated “spoil” concept which is not in the Bible, it more likely came from:
    · A 17th century poem by Samuel Butler called “Hudibras”. In the poem, a love affair is likened to a child, and spanking is mockingly commended as a way to make the love grow stronger. The actual verse reads [1]:
    “What medicine else can cure the fits
    Of lovers when they lose their wits?
    Love is a boy by poets styled
    Then spare the rod and spoil the child.”

    • Proverb

    spare the rod and spoil the child

    1. If one does not discipline a child, he or she will never learn obedience and good manners.

    P.S. ALSO SEE – http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/328950.html

    • SQ Debris
      May 22, 2015, 12:33 pm

      There’s a question of who exactly the daddy is this metaphor. The way the U.S. congress and a line of presidents have lapped around the shoes of the zionist enterprise, it looks more like a master and it’s dog. American taxpayers are chained to the zionist sled, dragging it toward some perverse vision of glory. What we’re seeing isn’t a tantrum from a spoiled child. It’s the master saying “Bad Dog! Sit. Shake hands. Play dead.”

      • JLewisDickerson
        May 22, 2015, 11:21 pm

        RE: “There’s a question of who exactly the daddy is this metaphor.” ~ SQ Debris

        REPLY: I agree, and if Israel is seen as the “daddy” rather than the “child” (i.e., client state), he certainly does not “spare the rod”! ! !

  12. RobertHenryEller
    May 22, 2015, 9:08 am

    You’re expecting consistency and integrity from “conservatives?”

  13. RobertHenryEller
    May 22, 2015, 9:16 am

    The story is also covered in Ha’aretz.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.657276

  14. CigarGod
    May 22, 2015, 9:43 am

    Okay…what does Iran get…or do in response?

  15. Kay24
    May 22, 2015, 9:46 am

    Boo hoo Israel’s weapons export dropped by $ 1 billion last year.

    What boggles my mind is, that these poor Palestinians have to face the brunt of Israel’s attacks and are used as lab rats most probably to test Israel’s mighty weapons.

    To think that the Israeli narrative of being the “victim” of lopsided rockets and stones, has been
    the usual BS story line in the US media…THE TRUTH BEING THE PALESTINIANS (MOSTLY UNARMED) HAVE TO FACE ONE OF THE TOP TEN ARMS EXPORTERS IN THE WORLD.
    Again, the deception is typical of the zionist. Victim indeed.

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/72081-150522-israeli-arms-exports-down-1-bln-as-defense-purchases-reach-all-time-high

  16. Citizen
    May 22, 2015, 9:48 am

    Here’s a detailed report on the F-35, including what countries are involved in developing it & what the problems are with it, cost, etc
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35.htm

  17. hophmi
    May 22, 2015, 9:56 am

    Or Israel is doing what every other nation always does – engaging in the practice of diplomacy by trading one thing for another, in this case, criticism of the Iran deal for more strategic support. The only difference is that because Ynet prints an English edition, you heard about it.

    It always amazes me when you adopt the worst tropes of big power politics, but here you’ve done it again, referring like a good patronizing British colonialist to your client state as a spoiled child and you as indulgent father.

    • catalan
      May 22, 2015, 10:40 am

      “good patronizing British colonialist to your client state as a spoiled child and you as indulgent father. – ” Hophmi
      When I was in retail, we would hire a lot of young people. Poles, Israelis, Russians were all hard workers who didn’t complain. Americans were generally spoiled beyond belief. I won’t forget this annoying teenager who literally started crying for no reason. She didn’t expect that scooping icecream, standing on your feet, and engaging customers is that stressful.
      The spoiled child analogies Americans are so fond of are classic Freudian projection. Never has there been a more spoiled, whining and childish people. Israelis mature much faster and can handle way more stress. I say that as someone who has been very spoiled by living here.

      • just
        May 22, 2015, 10:50 am

        Like this whining kid that Professor Finkelstein put in her place?

      • Mooser
        May 22, 2015, 10:52 am

        What a subtle attempt at diversion! “Hophmi” and “catalan” are so clever! We’ll never find our way back to the topic.

      • catalan
        May 22, 2015, 11:38 am

        “What a subtle attempt at diversion! “Hophmi” and “catalan” are so clever! – ” Mooser
        Can’t divert the attention of the enemy under general Mooser’s watchful eye. He makes sure his army stays on top-ic. What was Mozart thinking writing all those Divertimenti…?

      • Mooser
        May 22, 2015, 12:21 pm

        “What was Mozart thinking writing all those Divertimenti…?”

        Oh, crap. I was hoping you wouldn’t bring up that whole Mozart-and-the-Divertimenti thing. But you did, and well, case closed! Can’t fight Mozart, well, unless you’re Putin, of course.

      • catalan
        May 22, 2015, 3:40 pm

        One’s diversion is another one’s context. Thus, are Jews greedy, sure, I would agree with that. But let’s put it into context, are Americans or Turks greedy? Well, you can make a good case they also are.
        Context is very important, otherwise one can slide into delusion. Thus, are there some pretty bad things going on Israel? Absolutely. I am not OK with people from the West Bank being without citizenship.
        That said, context is important too. Is the general idea of the nation state an unmitigated disaster? Clearly so. What happened that millions of Greeks and Armenians could live in Anatolia for three thousand years, that suddenly this is not possible since the 20th century? Modern nationalism happened.

      • amigo
        May 23, 2015, 11:21 am

        “Never has there been a more spoiled, whining and childish people” catalan

        Yeah and they are!!, “Americans are awful at math, chemistry, history and pretty much every other subject. They do have the largest waistlines though and are best at whining. ” catalan.

        For you American citizens here .This ingrate bad mouths you and takes your money and hospitality .I just hope he opens his mouth to the right American who might just put catalan in his place.Firmly on his posterior. in a horizontal position.

        You are not a citizen of the USA and ought to act like a guest should.But then zionists are not known for being well mannered.

      • catalan
        May 23, 2015, 11:34 am

        “You are not a citizen of the USA and ought to act like a guest should. – ” amigo
        Actually I am a citizen and have spent 17 years working here. Including tutoring and teaching, managing in the private and public sectors. And paying a very nice chunk in taxes as the last few years have been ok to me.
        There are good things in America, mainly respect for education, respect for laws, and great respect for diversity.
        There are also bad things – megalomania and materialism. I bring up the whining because you see a lot of it on this blog. Whatever view you have on the Middle East, let’s not reduce it to money. It’s not about aid for Egypt or Israel or whoever because American foreign aid in total is 70 Billion, which is the revenues of a mid size corporation like McDonald’s for a quarter.
        I just get tired of the whole “Americans have it bad because of Israel” theme. Americans have it pretty good, though not perfect.

      • Kris
        May 23, 2015, 11:47 am

        amigo: “But then zionists are not known for being well mannered.”

        From “Why Israelis make the worst tourists,” http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.582835

        “Every month there are more and more headlines, Facebook statuses, and blogs mentioning Israeli tourists. Sadly, they don’t describe Israelis as harmless, friendly and sociable tourists, but as harmful, aggressive, unsociable, disrespectful ones. They demonstrate an astonishing lack of education and respect.” http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.582835

      • amigo
        May 23, 2015, 2:41 pm

        “Actually I am a citizen and have spent 17 years working here.”catalan dated 2/23/15

        Then this answer just a day or two ago.

        “Nobody said you had to answer. But since you did”: Mooser
        There is no contradiction. Being illegal is not a criminal offense. So that’s what I meant by clean record. The U.S. forgives it if you become a permanent resident. “catalan

        Which is it catalan. Are you a permanent resident or a citizen.

        Remember Mooser,s advice about archives .They have a habit of biting you on the posterior.

      • catalan
        May 23, 2015, 3:09 pm

        “Which is it catalan. Are you a permanent resident or a citizen. – ” amigo
        First I was a permanent resident and then a citizen. When you become a permanent resident, you get a clean record. There is no contradiction.
        I think this illuminates an interesting weakness in human reasoning – we don’t think well when we are angry. What happens is we want the person we hate to be wrong on everything. It’s also strange how much suspicion you have, how you assume I am lying about everything. What made you so…weary? Jaded?

      • echinococcus
        May 23, 2015, 3:30 pm

        Amigo,
        Be fair, “Catalan” may be some AI robot (the ZIQ version) or a bored grandma in a settlement moonlighting for the propaganda ministry, but he could also well be what he says, citizenship-wise. See, you get pardoned when acquiring legal residence, after a few years of which you may apply for citizenship –we’re not picky in the US. Except, of course, for Palestinians and other Middle East people.

      • Kris
        May 23, 2015, 4:00 pm

        Catalan: “When you become a permanent resident, you get a clean record. ”

        Really? That didn’t happen for Palestinian-American Rasmea Yousef Odeh. http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/court-motion-details-palestinian-american-rasmea-odehs-torture-israeli

      • catalan
        May 23, 2015, 4:29 pm

        “Really? That didn’t happen for Palestinian-American Rasmea Yousef Odeh. ”
        Kris,
        Again you are willfully misreading what I am saying. The clean record I was referring to is only related to immigration matters. Meaning that if you have been illegal (a civil offense), this is pardoned once you obtain permanent residency. The case of Ms Odeh refers to a different set of accusations that has nothing to do with being illegal. I have never been involved in any criminal offenses in any places I have lived. In other words, apples and oranges.
        As to me being compared to a grandma in a settlement, wow. What a lady… So well acquainted with New Mexico geography, finance, Bulgarian poetry. I am just in a hopeless battle here against anger and evil and for reason and compassion. I have already expressed my conviction that humanity will shortly reach its breaking point and a war of annihilation will follow. So I am enjoying what is left in beautiful New Mexico.
        Also, if I am the best that pro Israeli propaganda can come with, then you have nothing to worry about. The fact is that American self satisfaction (we have come a long way, we are so tolerant, we are so accepting of gays) is in the words of someone smarter, an extraordinary popular delusion.

      • echinococcus
        May 23, 2015, 5:03 pm

        In fact, the citizenship and residency status of Zionist propaganda agents like Catalan and others is highly significant.
        In this example, one really wonders. This so dedicated warrior for Zionist conquest and genocide, with guaranteed access to citizenship of the place of his dreams and hopes, goes to the length of smuggling himself in the States, likes it and takes citizenship. Snubs the land of his dreams and invented connections and Blut und Boden for the one he never stops badmouthing, misinterpreting and misrepresenting (and New Mex, of all places!) From his writings, you’d never imagine he’d settle for anything less than a settler’s gun, proudly using his Israeli citizenship in places illegal even for “Israel” to opress and rob the locals.

        How credible is the praise and unfailing defense of Israel by a person who can’t be bothered to go and emigrate to it? Even the distance to travel was so much less. It cannot even be the fear of military service: Albuquerque is way riskier for life than any service among the Israeli murderers.
        Conclusion: either this guy is (as if it weren’t obvious already) the most despicable hypocrite you can imagine, or he is a badly-programmed robot. Same for all like him who can’t be bothered to go to what they praise.
        What’s the point of even reading them?

      • catalan
        May 23, 2015, 5:34 pm

        “This so dedicated warrior for Zionist conquest and genocide, ” coccus.
        Scary people on this blog. Genocide? I am an accountant. I have never used a gun and like to read.
        Albuquerque is not so dangerous. “Badmouthing” America? Some people call that free speech.
        Thank you for displaying your delusions. Like I said, with friends like these…

      • Mooser
        May 23, 2015, 6:16 pm

        “I am living the affluence here in the States but inside I will aways (sic) be a 7 year old boy with boogers waiting in line in the cold for the once a year oranges” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/catalan?keyword=boogers#sthash.0gt0doUw.dpuf “Catalan”

        Yup. Like the sitar player with an unexpected hit single, it’s a ragas-to-riches story.

      • catalan
        May 23, 2015, 6:45 pm

        “citizenship and residency status of Zionist propaganda agents like Catalan and others – ”
        I love how easily the veneer of tolerance and liberalism falls and shows the true nature underneath. I actually have no illusions that working to protect the local taxpayers from waste and fraud would bring me any pluses. That’s what I am saying, beneath the American mask of “we are so tolerant” is the depth of viscous bigotry. Nice stuff. Dealt with that a lot too.

      • echinococcus
        May 24, 2015, 4:16 am

        Could somebody please help Catalan with his misery; he’s shooting mail after mail on the same shit, flailing in all directions –but carefully avoiding to answer the charges.

        I mean, if you are a propagandist for Zionism you don’t come to the States! You go to “Israel” (and/or the post-1967 Wild West) and if there is any justice something will happen to you while fighting for the greater glory of the Herrenvolk (hint: chances of a snowball in hell of its happening peacefully thanks to you guys.)

        Otherwise it means you’re trying to sell some shit so stinking foul that you can’t even consume it yourself.

        Note: When the people in militarily occupied Europe tried to save their skin, the Zionists lobbied hard to cancel the quotas and force some able-bodied non-Zionists, Menschen, to go to Palestine and kill Ayrabs and Britishers, while we know where so many of the non-able-bodied and non-visa-obtaining landed: not the States, not England, to the slaughter, compliments of the Zionist organizations of the US and GB!
        And the proud scions of these monsters are papering all the walls of this web site with their excretions.

      • Mooser
        May 24, 2015, 12:10 pm

        “That’s what I am saying, beneath the American mask of “we are so tolerant” is the depth of viscous bigotry. “

        It’s an oily, oleaginous bigotry, too. “Viscous”? It’s more than just lubricious, it’s a multi-weight, all-season, semi-synthetic, long-life lubricant!

        Now, stop blubbering “catalan”. And wipe your nose.

        “I have already expressed my conviction that humanity will shortly reach its breaking point and a war of annihilation will follow.”

        Oh, that’s nice. But please, wipe your nose.

    • Donald
      May 22, 2015, 4:25 pm

      “Or Israel is doing what every other nation always does – engaging in the practice of diplomacy by trading one thing for another, in this case, criticism of the Iran deal for more strategic support.”

      This is exactly what I expected to happen back when it seemed Phil thought the Iran deal (if it comes off) meant the Lobby was knocked back on its heels. Well, it was, for a moment, but the obvious next move for them was to make use of the situation. Obama wants his Iran deal, so he’s going to have to pay.

      He will also have to pander to the Lobby to make up for the spat with Netanyahu, though there he still says there should be a 2SS. But he’s not really going to push for it, so far as I can tell and in the meantime Israel gets more weapons it can use on Gaza or Lebanon.

  18. ritzl
    May 22, 2015, 9:08 pm

    I think this has historically been called tribute, but then that was between sovereigns. Here it might just as well be called a tax, given the unquestioning acceptance of the natural order of things.

    Mighty unseemly, and not just to conservatives.

  19. Citizen
    May 24, 2015, 11:38 am

    Jeb Bush, James Baker, and the Pro-Israel Mega-Donors http://mycatbirdseat.com/2015/05/91551jeb-bush-james-baker-and-the-pro-israel-mega-donors/ via @My Catbird Seat

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