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Gaza’s al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades prepares for next Israeli war

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Since the end of the 51-day war last summer, Gaza’s armed resistance factions have largely observed the ceasefire amid near-daily Israeli violations. However, the prospect of another major Israeli attack is a question of when, not if, and Gaza’s resistance groups have been active in preparation for it.

Just yesterday, rockets were launched into Israel by a Salafist group aiming to undermine Hamas and Israel responded by launching overnight airstrikes on Hamas targets, shaking all of Gaza and stirring fresh trauma from last summer. This morning Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon once again threatened to escalate bombing.

While Al-Qassam and Saraya al-Quds, the respective armed wings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have remain tight-lipped throughout the indirect negotiations between Hamas and Israel currently taking place over a long-term truce and prisoner exchange for the bodies of Israeli soldiers killed last summer, I was able to gain access to the Popular Resistance Committee’s armed wing, the al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades. With 3,000 fighters, al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades are the third largest fighting faction in Gaza.

After an initial meeting with commander Abu Sayyaf, the nom de guerre of a former Qassam fighter who co-founded the al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades, I was allowed to observe and photograph close-combat and rocket exercises.

“We in the al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades want to make sure that the Gaza Strip will never be defeated. The Gaza Strip is still strong and whenever the Israelis target us more, the resistance will grow stronger,” Abu Sayyaf explained. He continued, “They promised us to rebuild Gaza but we got used to these lies from the Arab regimes and also from the Israelis. But the Palestinian people will always be with the resistance and the resistance will always be with the people.”

Abu Sayyaf debriefs his battalion after training exercises. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Abu Sayyaf debriefs his battalion after training exercises. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

I met the fighters in an industrial area next to an olive field in eastern Gaza. After an initial dispute with the owner of the land who they pay to allow fighters to train, they practiced a single advancing exercise and began to deploy rockets. An Israeli drone appeared overhead, and given the heightened tension with the recent rocket fire and Israeli bombing, Abu Sayyaf quickly scrubbed the day’s activities.

Two days later, we met in a nearby olive field. This time no drone was visible or audible. The fighters took turns providing cover as they advanced, attempting to simulate actual combat. After a few exercises, they prepared to practice moving rockets.

Fighters practice providing cover and advancing. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Fighters practice providing cover and advancing. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

One of the larger rockets in their arsenal, the Nasser 5 is approximately 4 meters long and is capable of traveling approximately 40 to 45 kilometers. The Gaza-made projectile is an improvement on a rocket imported through tunnels, explained Abu Salah, the commander responsible for rockets in Abu Sayyaf’s battalion. But without a guidance system, it is impossible to attack specific targets, and they do not know the destructive capabilities of the rocket.

The Israeli-Egyptian siege doesn’t hinder their ability to manufacture rockets, Abu Salah boasted. Materials for manufacturing rockets continue to be smuggled in through tunnels, and alternative materials are available in Gaza to replace them if they become impossible to smuggle in.

As with every war, the resistance learns lessons and adapts. While Gaza’s fighters are massively outmatched technologically versus the middle east’s most well-armed military, the vast networks of tunnels fighters dug allowed them to engage in guerrilla combat that came as a surprise to the Israeli military. Though Israel escaped almost unscathed in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 and in Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012, resistance fighters killed 66 soldiers during last summer’s fighting, a sharp increase from the 13 killed (4 were soldiers by friendly fire) in 2008/2009.

“Six years ago, we used to launch rockets from above ground, and now we can launch them from underground, day or night,” said Abu Salah. “We used to just have defense plans, but now we make plans to attack.”

A fighter emerges from a tunnel with a Nasser 5 rocket. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

A fighter emerges from a tunnel with a Nasser 5 rocket. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Manufacturing of rockets continues unabated despite the Israeli-Egyptian siege, which ostensibly is to prevent armed groups from importing weapons. While it fails to achieve Israel’s stated goal, the siege collectively punishes all 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza, impacting every aspect of daily life and preventing reconstruction after Israel decimated huge swaths of Gaza last summer.

Unsurprisingly, it is this mass-destruction and collective punishment that engenders support for armed resistance in Gaza’s beleaguered population. Palestinians I spoke to during last year’s war cited lifting of the siege as their reason for support of resistance despite Israel exacting such a massive toll on civilians.

“The resistance has improved and the people are more aware of the resistance and they all want to fight,” Abu Salah told me. “We are fighting for our rights. We are fighting for our lands. We are fighting for a good life and we want to build a future for our children.”

The battalion practiced carrying the rocket on the shoulders of four men at a time over uneven dirt terrain and between olive trees, as well as inserting and removing the rocket from the mouth of a tunnel. The entrance to the tunnel system was a refashioned sewage pipe poking slightly out of the ground at a 45 degree angle, and the mouth of the tunnel was covered by prayer rugs, dirt and brush. The entrance was barely large enough for an adult to fit through and one fighter had to remove his vest in order to enter.

Abu Sayyaf described al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades collaboration with al-Qassam, Saraya al-Quds, the Popular Front for Liberation of Palestine Ali Abu Mustafa Brigades, and Abdel Kader al Husseini (another faction close to Fatah). “We have an operation room where we discuss what we are going to do, and whether we are initiating or it’s a response,” he said.

Abu Salah elaborated on the joint efforts among the factions. “We share information between the groups and especially between the groups which are making the rockets. A group of us go to see how the other groups use the materials to improve rockets, and then we work on our rockets to improve them.”

Prayer rugs, dirt and brush are used to conceal tunnels. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Prayer rugs, dirt and brush are used to conceal tunnels. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Sitting in the dirt under an olive tree, I interviewed a few fighters, hoping to gain insight into what makes them pick up a weapon.

“Since we were born we’ve known that there is the Israeli occupation of Palestine,” Abu Salah explained. “This occupation steals, kidnaps and imprisons the Palestinian people. They come into our lands and houses so we have to fight them until the end and we can only fight them with weapons until they withdraw from our holy lands. When they withdraw from our lands we will drop our weapons and live our lives. We just want to live in peace and be safe in our houses, and we want to raise our children in a safe atmosphere without bombing and killing — without hearing ‘this one died, this one is injured, this one was kidnapped.’ We want to live in dignity.”

Abu Salah sits under an olive tree in a field in eastern Gaza. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Abu Salah sits under an olive tree in a field in eastern Gaza. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

A young fighter named Abu Suhaib went on: “Of course we weren’t born as fighters. We are human beings like anyone else. We always have the patience to see our martyrs and beloved’s bodies in pieces. We’re fighting for land which was stolen from us. At first, we didn’t have the capabilities to take back our land but now we do…. We don’t fight anyone because they are of a different religion or nationality. They took our rights from us and no one can live without their rights and dignity.”

After decades of failed negotiations, the fighters emphasized that Palestinians pay the price while Israelis enjoy a one-way peace. “The only way to expel the occupation is by force and resistance. You can’t negotiate with them [the Israelis],” said Abu Suhaib. “We sat at the table, we went abroad for conferences, but they all go in favor of the Israelis… We found that the only way to talk with the Israelis is with weapons,” he added.

For these men, it is attacks on civilians that compels them to join the resistance. “We witnessed Muhammed al-Dura in the Second Intifada, the bombing and assassinations of our leaders and killing of our people,” Abu Suhaib said. “They bomb our mosques, hospitals and governmental buildings, so we have to face this occupation.”

Abu Islam, a unit commander under Abu Sayyaf, had a message to the American people, “My name is Abu Islam. I am a fighter in al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades. We want to send a message to all the countries around the world, especially the Americans, and at the top of them, Obama. We are the Palestinian people, not terrorists. We are just defending our land, our children, our elderly, our holy sites. The occupation came to us, we didn’t go to it,” he added, “The Americans and all the countries around the world are watching this without doing anything.”

Indeed, using precision-guided munitions, Israel targeted civilians during last summer’s assault that left more than 2,200 Palestinians dead, 70% of whom were civilians including 539 children. Israeli firepower damaged or destroyed 100,000 homes, 278 mosques, 24 medical facilities, 360 factories, 22 schools and three landmark towers. On the Israeli side, 66 soldiers died (mostly during the ground invasion of Gaza) and six civilians, despite the inability of the armed groups to target their rockets.

Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades fighters stand over a Nasser 5 rocket after practicing maneuvers. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades fighters stand over a Nasser 5 rocket after practicing maneuvers. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

For all of the attention they receive, Palestinian rockets and mortars have killed 44 Israelis since 2001, a tiny fraction of the number of Palestinians killed in last year’s war. Though analysts focus on the number of rockets launched, portraying a false sense of symmetry between Israeli and Palestinian weapons, rockets “statistically cause the fewest losses,” according to an Israeli Ministry of Defense official, who went on to say that, “Qassams are more of a psychological than physical threat.”

Forced into a corner of continued occupation, settlement expansion, the failure of diplomacy and negotiations to achieve any gains for Palestinians, and unprecedented Israeli violence on Gaza, taking up arms should be seen as a natural response. As long as impunity continues for Israeli attacks on civilians, Palestinian armed resistance will continue to be able to draw support from Gaza’s population.

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  1. FirstWorld
    June 4, 2015, 11:58 am

    There is no legitimate military use for an unguided rocket. Its only use is against civilians, and thus, is a war crime. These guys are terrorists (and before you say, but Israel does it too!!!!! that doesn’t negate the fact that this is a war crime, and that these are, consequently, terrorists.)

    [….]

    • Ael
      June 4, 2015, 12:25 pm

      Actually, there are many military uses for unguided rockets. Otherwise, it would not make sense for the Americans, Russians, or even the Israeli’s from maintaining MLRS batteries.

      • FirstWorld
        June 4, 2015, 8:48 pm

        You have zero technical understanding of what you’re talking about.

        Modern unguided weapons, as used in the USA, Russia and Israel are spin stabilized. This rotation keeps the weapon in a straight parabola, and although they can’t course correct for the targets motion, are accurate, with CEPs of 200m (<1%) or less at 20km.

        The homemade rockets are unstabilized and act like a knuckle-ball. They are incredibly inaccurate, with a circular error probable in the 10% range, meaning that it will miss the theoretical target by more than a kilometer.

      • zaid
        June 5, 2015, 4:33 am

        @ First World
        200m CEP is not accurate.
        allot of civilians will die with this accuracy.

      • amigo
        June 5, 2015, 8:54 am

        “It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation, it’s a hell of a pinpoint operation,” Kerry, who was appearing on Fox News Sunday as part of a tour of all five main US talkshows, said to an aide on the phone, in a frustrated tone.”

        So much for Israel,s targeted rockets.

        Go back to Jpost or whatever Arab hating site you usually hang out at.

      • ritzl
        June 5, 2015, 4:44 pm

        @FirstWorld How the hell do you know the Palestinian rockets aren’t spin-stabilized? All you have to do is cant the fins. Any ten year-old can do it. And I’ve seen plenty of pix of corkscrew plumes from Palestinian launches, so there IS some rotation there.

        In any event, the issue is aiming NOT post-launch accuracy as you so arrogantly get wrong. If you cannot actively guide a missile, ANY missile, to its target its a crap-shoot where it lands. PERIOD. All sorts of unknowable factors affect trajectory, post-launch.

        You’re simply trying.to rationalize your subjective pre-conceived assumptions here with jargon.

      • ritzl
        June 5, 2015, 5:25 pm

        Also, FirstWorld, you do know what the “P” stands for in “CEP”, don’t you?

        PROBABILITY.

        That means that a percentage has to be attached to a CEP cite or the number is meaningless. A 50% CEP of <200M means that only half the missiles land WITHIN that radius. That means, in this example, that half fall outside that radius. Sometimes wildly outside it. IOW on apartment buildings and schools.

        So much for the purported benefits of spin-stabilized techno-morality in the missile world, eh?

    • zaid
      June 4, 2015, 12:28 pm

      So should they buy few space satellites from France, and then purchase some satellite guided missiles from the USA so they don’t harm Israeli civilians anymore.

      By the way i am against these rockets , but lets be serious, in the last war Israel lost around 70 soldier and 5 civilians (7% civilians only), and believe me this is rather a good percentage compared with Israel victims (more than 70% civilians).

      Maybe Israel should learn from them!!!

      I hope Israel come to its senses and ends the Occupation /Blockade /settlements /Discrimination and allows the refugees to return so we all Jews/Arabs live in peace and no one have to die.

      • just
        June 4, 2015, 5:20 pm

        +1, zaid!

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 10:16 am

        my sentiments exactly zaid.

        great reporting and photos dan! especially the quotes. i really appreciate hearing their voices, thoughts and expressions.

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 12:45 pm

      The Palestinian resistance is NOT terrorism.

      .”..Unlike terrorism which is universally deemed as criminal (no such thing as “legal terrorism”), other forms of political violence are not only acceptable, but are fully legal. This obviously includes military acts of self-defense (i.e. the right to resist an aggressor, defend ones territorial integrity, et cetera) as well as UN Security Council sanctioned Chapter VII actions (the war making powers of the UNSC, as employed in South Korea or in Bosnia-Herzegovina). However, among these legal forms of violence there is also the right to use force in the struggle for “liberation from colonial and foreign domination”. To quote United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24 of 29 November 1978:

      “2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;” (3)
      This justification for legitimate armed resistance has been specifically applied to the Palestinian struggle repeatedly. To quote General Assembly Resolution A/RES/3246 (XXIX) of 29 November 1974:

      3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle; …
      7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people; (4)
      These two points — that people under colonial and foreign domination have the right to use armed struggle against their oppressors and that this specifically applies to the Palestinian people — has been repeatedly reaffirmed in a myriad of United Nations resolutions. These include UNGA Resolution A/RES/3246 (XXIX; 29 November 1974), UNGA Resolution A/RES/33/24 (29 November 1978), UNGA Resolution A/RES/34/44 (23 November 1979), UNGA Resolution A/RES/35/35 (14 November 1980), UNGA Resolution A/RES/36/9 (28 October 1981), and many others. While these resolutions, coming from the General Assembly do not carry the weight of law per se, they do reflect the views of the majority of the world’s sovereign states, which is the basis of customary international law. So although General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding in of themselves, when they address legal issues they do accurately reflect the customary international legal opinion among the majority of the world’s sovereign states. …

      …However, as a part of Israel’s propaganda campaign against the Palestinian people and their legitimate cause, Israel absolutely refuses to differentiate between Palestinian terrorism and Palestinian legitimate armed resistance. This has been graphically illustrated by the reporting on the successful Palestinian attacks on the Israeli military targets in the Gaza Strip. In these particular instances there was a Palestinian attack on a fully armed military transport in the process of actively conducting a military operation manned exclusively by Israeli uniformed soldiers. In absolutely no conceivable respect can this be considered any sort of “terrorist” attack, quite the contrary; this is exactly the kind of Palestinian resistance action that is fully legal and fully justified. This failure to differentiate – to recognize the Palestinian people’s legitimate right to resist the occupation – renders most Israeli reports on “terrorism” extremely misleading because they intentionally and maliciously combine acts of legitimate armed resistance (such as these recent attacks in Gaza) as well as unarmed resistance (such as stone throwing) in with actual acts of terrorism and treat them as indistinguishable from each other.”

      http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestine-legitimate-armed-resistance-vs-terrorism/5084 (2004)

      Oh, and welcome to MW, I think it’ll probably be a short stay. Your ugly threat/hope is duly noted: “Hopefully Israel will notice that this guy hangs around with terrorists, and thus, tracks his cell phone. Next time there’s a drone overhead, I hope things get a lot more “exciting” for them.”

      • FirstWorld
        June 4, 2015, 12:52 pm

        The UN themselves rebuts this claim with regard to the Palestinian use of unguided rockets.

        Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have sought to justify the attacks as appropriate reprisals for Israeli military operations and the ongoing blockade against Gaza, and as a lawful response to the Israeli occupation of Gaza. ***As noted below, international humanitarian law (the “laws of war”) does not support these asserted justifications.***

        http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/d7e5dd676bdcf47c8525760b004a4870?OpenDocument

        Palestinians are, as the U.N. notes, “criminally responsible.”

      • amigo
        June 4, 2015, 3:31 pm

        Palestinians are, as the U.N. notes, “criminally responsible.” FW

        “In a 575-page report released yesterday, a team of UN investigators found that Hamas, the militant group that controls Gaza, may also have carried out war crimes by firing rockets at civilian targets in Israel.

        “But the probe, which has proved contentious since its inception, was far more damning about Israel’s role in the conflict, which killed almost 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis in 22 days of fighting over the New Year.

        “The Israeli operations were carefully planned in all their phases as a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise the civilian population,” the report found.”

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/6194723/Israel-committed-war-crimes-in-Gaza-UN-says.html

        Would that be the same UN you are quoting .

        Israelis, as the UN notes are “criminally responsible”.

        Yeah , we all know you don,t want to talk about that but unfortunately for you , you do not control the conversation.

        By the way , are you a Nakba denier .A simple yes or no will do.

    • Kris
      June 4, 2015, 12:53 pm

      Agreed, FirstWorld. The U.S. MUST give the Palestinians the latest in guided weapons technology so that they can target the Israeli military targets more effectively.

      Here’s a link to help you contact your senators, representatives, and the White House: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/US-Congress.shtml

      As you know, the Palestinians have the right to resist Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian land. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/lawyer-at-counterpunch-validates-palestinian-right-of-armed-resistance-to-occupation http://972mag.com/on-the-palestinians-legal-right-to-fight-the-occupation/30855/

    • talknic
      June 4, 2015, 12:55 pm

      @ FirstWorld June 4, 2015, 11:58 am

      “There is no legitimate military use for an unguided rocket”

      Correct

      ” Its only use is against civilians,”

      Bullsh*t of the finest Hasbara order. It is not the only use you stupid person. The IDF Memorial site shows us there are more Israeli military targeted, injured and killed than civilians. Collateral happens on both sides of a war and Israeli civilian casualties fall way way way below even the lowest of expected collateral in warfare

      It is never the less a war crime to use unguided weaponry. Fletchettes are unguided. Cluster bombs are unguided and the shrapnel and propelled material generated by an explosion even of a precision guided missile is …. unguided.

      ” These guys are terrorists”

      War criminals. Only the person firing an unguided rocket knows its intended target. It cannot possibly be known what the intended target is purely from where it might land

      ” (and before you say, but Israel does it too!!!!! that doesn’t negate the fact that this is a war crime, and that these are, consequently, terrorists.)”

      Israel’s use of anything unguided is also terrorism by your own standard.

      Further more there is no International formula for allowable collateral. A target is identified as military, the possible deaths of civilians is factored in by the man on the ground and a weapon is purposefully fired in full knowledge that civilians will be slaughtered. The notion of un-intended collateral is stupid war speak by bloodthirsty creeps

      “Hopefully Israel will notice that this guy hangs around with terrorists, and thus, tracks his cell phone. Next time there’s a drone overhead, I hope things get a lot more “exciting” for them.”

      You hope. Wishing death on a reporter? You really are a sick lil’ puppy

      BTW Israel’s air, sea, artillery attacks on Gaza are all illegal. The people of Gaza have no defense against Israel’s weaponry. Laws of War, Art. 25. “The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited” and;

      It is illegal to prevent people from fleeing a war zone. Although it claims to have given forewarning, Israel had all the crossings closed including those between Gaza and Egypt under the 2005 agreement with Egypt and the Egypt Israel Peace Treaty.

      Egypt does not have final say over its border crossing with Gaza because Israel is the Occupying Power over Gaza. Israel controls what and who and when people and goods go in and out of the territories it occupies.

      Israel prevented civilians from fleeing a war zone except to somewhere else in the war zone BEFORE attacking, which is illegal under Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Civilians could not even flee into the sea, because Israel controls the Palestinian territorial waters.

      • Shingo
        June 4, 2015, 4:40 pm

        Also unguided are shells, as in the 14000 Israel fired into Gaza between September 2005 and June 2007

    • Donald
      June 4, 2015, 12:55 pm

      You’re right that indiscriminate fire against civilians is a war crime. You don’t dispute that Israel does it too, so maybe you’d support ICC prosecution of both Israelis and Palestinians who do this?

      But probably not, since you call for the targeted assassination of the reporter who wrote this piece.

      BTW, is there anything in the comment rules about hoping that a poster be murdered? I don’t recall the issue ever coming up until now.

      • just
        June 4, 2015, 1:11 pm

        nothing specifically about “murder”, but there is this:

        “4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.

        6. No trolling. Wikipedia defines trolling as “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.” That definition is good enough for us. We hope our comment section can feature an engaged and free flowing debate, but we are not interested in commenters whose only aim is to disrupt or sabotage the discussion.”

        I can’t believe his/her first post made it thru moderation.

      • Donald
        June 4, 2015, 1:31 pm

        I guess the idea of letting the comment be published is that you give the person some leeway so that they discredit themselves. We now know exactly where FirstWorld stands on terrorism– he or she is for it.

        On the other hand, let too much of this go through and the comment section becomes a cesspool.

      • just
        June 4, 2015, 1:46 pm

        Yes, Donald.

        Now on to Dan’s excellent article. Thank you, Dan. At first blush, I was a bit afraid that this was giving tmi to the other side. Then my brain kicked in, and I read it again.

        The interviews that you had and share with us here are the most interesting and crucial part of your piece.

        “We don’t fight anyone because they are of a different religion or nationality. They took our rights from us and no one can live without their rights and dignity.”
        —–
        “When they withdraw from our lands we will drop our weapons and live our lives. We just want to live in peace and be safe in our houses, and we want to raise our children in a safe atmosphere without bombing and killing — without hearing ‘this one died, this one is injured, this one was kidnapped.’ We want to live in dignity.”
        —–
        ““My name is Abu Islam. I am a fighter in al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades. We want to send a message to all the countries around the world, especially the Americans, and at the top of them, Obama. We are the Palestinian people, not terrorists. We are just defending our land, our children, our elderly, our holy sites. The occupation came to us, we didn’t go to it,” he added, “The Americans and all the countries around the world are watching this without doing anything.””

        I am deeply grateful to you, Dan. These words should be understood by every human on the planet. I can understand them, and many others can. Why can’t the ‘leaders’ hear and understand? This is why exposing both these truths and the previously effective propaganda machine and utterances remains of vital importance. One way of undoing the propaganda is the use of language… like the word ‘terrorism’.

      • JWalters
        June 4, 2015, 6:25 pm

        just, I agree on the interviews and quotes being the most important part of the story. The contrast between those quotes and those of Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely is stark.

        She said, “Rashi says the Torah opens with the story of the creation of the world so that if the nations of the world come and tell you that you are occupiers, you must respond that all of the land belonged to the creator of world and when he wanted to, he took from them and gave to us.”

        And,”We expect the international community to back up the demand of our prime minister to declare on Israel as the Jewish national state. Moreover we expect as a matter of principle that the international community recognize Israel’s right to build homes for Jews in their homeland everywhere”
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/netanyahu-fighting-annexing

        Let’s have a debate at the U.N. between Hotovely and Abu Islam (whom you quote). It could be a superbowl of debates, with the whole world watching. Afterward, the General Assembly would vote on who makes the better case. The Security Council would then work out a plan to adopt the winner’s proposal for the region, and enforce that plan.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 10:25 am

        is there anything in the comment rules about hoping that a poster be murdered? I don’t recall the issue ever coming up until now.

        donald, i’m not sure how that comment made it thru but it did so i am editing out the wish for our journalists demise.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 11:18 am

        “donald, i’m not sure how that comment made it thru”

        The comment made it through because it is the best and most cogent comment Zionists have to offer! To not allow these comments would be to deny Zionists any voice at Mondo!
        I ask you, would that be fair? Absolutely not!
        Why shouldn’t Zionist be permitted to use the rhetorical methods and level of discourse which has stood them in such good stead for all this time. What next, taking the rattles and pacifiers away from infants?

    • Abdul-Rahman
      June 4, 2015, 1:11 pm

      Numerous other commenters have already fully dealt with your propaganda. They have also noted the facts on the terrorist Zionist occupiers and their occupation forces that have been raping Palestine since the early 20th century.

      What really is “special” regarding your post is your username in connection with your propaganda line on “unguided” munitions. It is the imperialists in the “First World” that have all the high tech weaponry of mass destruction and slaughter that constantly rains down suffering on the poor and oppressed peoples of the Third World. As Kris said: will you and your other Zionist apologists then support the Palestinian resistance being armed with drones, fighter jets, attack helicopters, laser guided 2000 pound bombs that level whole civilian neighborhoods, etc? Something tells me not.

      In closing, your drivel also reminds one of Sir Peter Ustinov’s famous analysis that: terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich.

      • just
        June 4, 2015, 5:22 pm

        +1, Abdul-Rahman!

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 1:13 pm

      “There is no legitimate military use for an unguided rocket. Its only use is against civilians, and thus, is a war crime. These guys are terrorists (and before you say, but Israel does it too!!!!! that doesn’t negate the fact that this is a war crime, and that these are, consequently, terrorists.)”

      So you’re saying that the IOF are “terrorists”. How do you feel about targeting civilians with precision weapons? How about collective punishment aka massacring?

      • tree
        June 4, 2015, 3:13 pm

        How do you feel about targeting civilians with precision weapons?

        Clearly he thinks it is just fine, since he himself just advocated that Dan Cohen, a civilian, be killed by a drone. First World is just another Zionist hypocrite.

        And BTW, more innocent civilians have been killed by US “precision” drones than have been killed by Palestinian rockets– by a factor of a hundred.

        A new analysis of the data available to the public about drone strikes, conducted by the human-rights group Reprieve, indicates that even when operators target specific individuals – the most focused effort of what Barack Obama calls “targeted killing” – they kill vastly more people than their targets, often needing to strike multiple times. Attempts to kill 41 men resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1,147 people, as of 24 November.

        “Drone strikes have been sold to the American public on the claim that they’re ‘precise’. But they are only as precise as the intelligence that feeds them. There is nothing precise about intelligence that results in the deaths of 28 unknown people, including women and children, for every ‘bad guy’ the US goes after,” said Reprieve’s Jennifer Gibson, who spearheaded the group’s study.

        Some 24 men specifically targeted in Pakistan resulted in the death of 874 people. All were reported in the press as “killed” on multiple occasions, meaning that numerous strikes were aimed at each of them. The vast majority of those strikes were unsuccessful. An estimated 142 children were killed in the course of pursuing those 24 men, only six of whom died in the course of drone strikes that killed their intended targets.

        In Yemen, 17 named men were targeted multiple times. Strikes on them killed 273 people, at least seven of them children. At least four of the targets are still alive.

        Available data for the 41 men targeted for drone strikes across both countries indicate that each of them was reported killed multiple times. Seven of them are believed to still be alive. The status of another, Haji Omar, is unknown. Abu Ubaidah al-Masri, whom drones targeted three times, later died from natural causes, believed to be hepatitis.

        The data cohort is only a fraction of those killed by US drones overall. Reprieve did not focus on named targets struck only once. Neither Reprieve nor the Guardian examined the subset of drone strikes that do not target specific people: the so-called “signature strikes” that attack people based on a pattern of behavior considered suspicious, rather than intelligence tying their targets to terrorist activity. An analytically conservative Council on Foreign Relations tally assesses that 500 drone strikes outside of Iraq and Afghanistan have killed 3,674 people.

        http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147

    • echinococcus
      June 4, 2015, 1:36 pm

      When the Zionist entity officially started the war against the Palestinian population in November 1947 it knew that it was thereby putting its entire civilian population at risk. By refusing to end this war and continually massacring wholesale civilian populations in Palestine and different other countries it continues to knowingly increase the risk to its own civilian population.
      This is of course desired by the Zionist government: it allows it to force cohesion and blunt critical thinking among its own Herrenvolk and have its little dogs yapping ceaselessly about “crimes” like you do. Considering that this is war, there is no way on earth to expect a measured and targeted response to the carpet bombing, targeted destruction of hospitals and annihilation of entire neighborhoods by the Zionists. The US should adequately arm the Resistance.

      • yonah fredman
        June 4, 2015, 4:40 pm

        echo- Shlomo Sand asserts in his book, “invention of the land of israel” that the Arab leaders were the ones who initiated the 1948 war. echo- please provide the name of a historian who backs your claim that the Zionists initiated the war.

      • Jabberwocky
        June 5, 2015, 2:25 am

        Yonah,

        Try reading Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” he makes good use of Zionists own documents and Ben Gurion’s diary to clearly show the case that the Zionists initiated armed action and had target lists of Palestinians to murder. Arab armies were under resourced and ineffectual in trying to protect the Palestinian population.

        The Zionist propaganda fell apart with access to official documents and translation by brave people like Ilan Pappe.

      • echinococcus
        June 5, 2015, 12:40 pm

        Mister Fredman,

        The Zionist entity *officially started all-out, genocidal war against all Palestinian people in 11/1947 by having armed bands massacring in a country that they had invaded with no legitimate claim, on the strength of a consultative GA proposal predicated on acceptance by both parties. Not only Palestinians and their allies had absolutely no obligation to agree to that absurd aggression proposal; the Zionist entity also rejected and nullified it by having armed personnel outside even the proposed area. There may have been armistices and even peace treaties with different states onetime allied with the Palestinian people; there has not been any agreement with the Palestinians and maintaining a puppet so-called Palestinian so-called administration is another war crime on top of the other war crimes.
        I say as long as Palestinian civilians are abused and subjected to war crimes all the civilian population of Israel should be at risk, as intended by the Zionists (an intention acknowledged in writing by Zionist leaders such as Ben Gurion, Weitz, etc., to the purpose of ensuring a national cohesion of the illegal immigrant invaders against the owners of the land and sovereignty.)
        Go cook an egg now. Or rather please continue writing , you are so inept that your posts are in fact helping against Zionist propaganda.

    • jaspeace2day
      June 4, 2015, 3:02 pm

      “As long as impunity continues for Israeli attacks on civilians, Palestinian armed resistance will continue to be able to draw support from Gaza’s population.” And from Americans like myself! Word on the street is that many Americans are headed to Palestine to help them fight. And then there are those that must stay behind and fight AIPAC and the misguided, shekel paid, individuals and organizations like FirstWorld. Viva Palestina!

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 11:30 am

        Viva Palestina, indeed!

    • CigarGod
      June 4, 2015, 10:21 pm

      FirstWorld, dude…
      They are guided to the extent, availabilty of supply allows. They would love to have modern guidance systems in all their rockets, but unfortunately they have to fight back with what they have. They calculate the angle of the firing tube, they guess at the thrust provided by their homemade propellant. They probably estimate weight. I doubt they worry about windage. Then they cross their fingers and hope they get close. They try to do better next time. Yeah, it’s a sort of reverse David and Goliath, isn’t it? Next time you jump in the middle of a rocket party…you’ll know what you are talking about.

    • Shingo
      June 5, 2015, 3:06 am

      Modern unguided weapons, as used in the USA, Russia and Israel are spin stabilized.

      Pathetic non sequitir.

      1. Unguided is still unguided.

      2. As has already pointed out, Palestinian resistance groups would love to have spin stabilized munitions and launchers if they could get their hands on them.

      although they can’t course correct for the targets motion, are accurate, with CEPs of 200m (<1%) or less at 20km.

      False argument either way. Israel do not use their munitions for targeted attacks.

      An account of the Shujaiya destruction by the US Defense Department report recalls that the IDF fired 7,000 artillery shells at residential areas in the district the night of Jul. 19, including 4,500 shells in the space of just seven minutes.

      This is utterly inconsistent with the intent of targeted strikes..

      Such massive and indiscriminate destruction of civilian structures is strictly prohibited by the international laws of war. Israeli officials have frequently said the purpose of IDF military operations in both Lebanon and Gaza was to “deter” their adversaries in the future by imposing heavy costs on the civilian population.

      They are incredibly inaccurate, with a circular error probable in the 10% range, meaning that it will miss the theoretical target by more than a kilometer.

      There is no difference between missing a target by 1000m vs 200m. What you are ignoring is the fact that Israel’s munitions have a kill radius of over 100 meters, as opposed to home made rockets which is about 10m.

      That makes the Israeli munitions 100 times deadlier.

    • WH
      June 5, 2015, 5:50 am

      I’m guessing that even if the resistance were supplied with the most accurate targeting technology and fired purely at military targets like the IDF HQ (which is in the middle of Tel Aviv, does that qualify as using human shields?), you and the rest of the pro-Zionist world would still consider it terrorism. The hype about the ‘terror tunnels’ going to Israeli kindergartens turned out to be the usual panic propaganda; they were used for military purposes, much like those of the Jewish militias operating before Israel’s foundation. But for your side, there is no such thing as legitimate resistance by Palestinians; their existence is a demographic threat and their self-defence is terrorism. Wishing murder on a reporter (something Israel has a history of) is pretty consistent with that, really.

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 11:28 am

        Well said, WH!

  2. eljay
    June 4, 2015, 12:17 pm

    || FirstWorld: There is no legitimate military use for an unguided rocket. Its only use is against civilians … ||

    It’s incorrect to say that the only use for an unguided rocket is against civilians, given that it can also be used against military personnel and inanimate objects.

    || These guys are terrorists (and before you say, but Israel does it too!!!!! that doesn’t negate the fact that this is a war crime, and that these are, consequently, terrorists.) ||

    The fact that these guys do it, too, doesn’t negate the fact that Zio-supremacists within and without Israel have been committing (war) crimes for almost 70 years and that they are, consequently, terrorists.

    Let’s agree that all terrorists must be held accountable for their crimes, yes?

    • FirstWorld
      June 4, 2015, 12:33 pm

      >>It’s incorrect to say that the only use for an unguided rocket is against civilians, given that it can also be used against military personnel and inanimate objects.

      Since they aren’t guided, they can’t target anything, which would be necessary for them to hit specifically military targets.

      Here’s an Amnesty International report stating that these rockets are war crimes (https://www.amnesty.org/en/articles/news/2015/03/palestinian-armed-groups-killed-civilians-on-both-sides-in-2014-gaza-conflict/)

      Since Mondo is so keen on legal matters, I’ll highlight that the “Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International,” Philip Luther-hardly a zionist shill- said and I’ll quote

      “repeatedly launched unlawful attacks”

      >>The fact that these guys do it, too, doesn’t negate the fact that Israel has been committing (war) crimes for almost 70 years and, consequently, is a terrorist nation.

      How could I predict the childish “but they do it too, wahhh, no fair!” response? Well, its really the only “justification” here, isn’t it? So, lets try to stay on topic… we’re talking about these terrorists, the “al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades.”

      • talknic
        June 4, 2015, 3:05 pm

        @ FirstWorld June 4, 2015, 12:33 pm

        “Since they aren’t guided, they can’t target anything, which would be necessary for them to hit specifically military targets”

        Or specifically civilian targets. The IDF Memorial Site shows us that more military have been targeted, injured and killed than Israeli civilians

        “Here’s an Amnesty International report stating that these rockets are war crimes (link to amnesty.org)”

        But not terrorism

        “Since Mondo is so keen on legal matters, I’ll highlight that the “Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International,” Philip Luther-hardly a zionist shill- said and I’ll quote

        “repeatedly launched unlawful attacks”

        But not terrorism

        ” we’re talking about these terrorists”

        Not according to the sources you gave, which also says

        “At least 1,585 Palestinian civilians, including more than 530 children, were killed in Gaza, and at least 16,245 homes were destroyed or rendered uninhabitable by Israeli attacks during the conflict, some of which also amounted to war crimes.”

      • eljay
        June 4, 2015, 3:09 pm

        || FirstWorld: Since they aren’t guided, they can’t target anything, which would be necessary for them to hit specifically military targets. ||

        If a lack of targeting does not prevent the rockets from hitting civilians, it also does not prevent the rockets from hitting military personnel and inanimate objects. Fail #1.

        || How could I predict the childish “but they do it too, wahhh, no fair!” response? ||

        You didn’t predict the response – you used it. Fail #2.

        And then you avoided agreeing with me that ALL terrorists – even Zio-supremacist terrorists – must be held accountable for their actions. Fail #3.

        Poor baby… :-(

      • Donald
        June 4, 2015, 4:20 pm

        I’m happy to accept Amnesty International’s judgment in the rockets. So do you accept their judgment on Israel’s crimes? You’ve already started out by hoping that the Israelis murder Daniel Cohen, so of course your citation of Amnesty International is just opportunism.

      • Shingo
        June 4, 2015, 5:01 pm

        Since they aren’t guided, they can’t target anything, which would be necessary for them to hit specifically military targets.

        Shells and cluster bombs aren’t guided either, and the number of shells fired by Israel at Gaza is about 10 times all the rockets ever fired into Israel.

        Your argument also debunks the Israeli talking point that Hamad et all target civilians. If they are unable to target military targets then they are just as unable to target civilians.

        Israel on the other hand, have precision guided weapons and kill majority civilians, so they are far and away more guilty of war crimes.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 3:21 pm

        Hard to know what’s worse, an unguided missile or a loose Zionist cannon.

      • adele
        June 5, 2015, 3:54 pm

        The Inimitable Mooser:

        “Hard to know what’s worse, an unguided missile or a loose Zionist cannon.”

        We need to do a book w/a compilation of your greatest quotes! <3 <3 <3

      • CigarGod
        June 5, 2015, 5:49 pm

        With you, that is 1001 people who have thought that. I think we could fund a Kickstarter.

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 12:31 am

        FirstWorld “Here’s an Amnesty International report stating that these rockets are war crimes (link to amnesty.org)”

        Uh huh. Seems you accept Amnesty’s word …. right?

        At least 1,585 Palestinian civilians, including more than 530 children, were killed in Gaza, and at least 16,245 homes were destroyed or rendered uninhabitable by Israeli attacks during the conflict, some of which also amounted to war crimes.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    June 4, 2015, 1:44 pm

    RE: “Indeed, using precision-guided munitions, Israel targeted civilians during last summer’s assault that left more than 2,200 Palestinians dead and 11,000 injured, 70% of whom are civilians including 539 children… Israeli firepower damaged or destroyed 100,000 homes, 278 mosques, 24 medical facilities, 360 factories, 22 schools and three landmark towers. ~ Dan Cohen

    SEE: “How an alleged war crime goes away — and resurfaces a year later”
    By Michael Schaeffer Omer-Man | 972mag.com | Published June 2, 2015
    Nobody really noticed the deliberate shelling of a Palestinian medical clinic, even when it was reported in real time during Israel’s war in Gaza last summer. Now, because of reporting by an independent journalist, there is a chance that somebody will be held accountable for what a rights group says is a clear-cut war crime.
    LINK – http://972mag.com/how-an-alleged-war-crime-goes-away-and-resurfaces-a-year-later/107357/

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 1:54 pm

      Thanks for posting that, John. I read it the other day~ it’s excellent reporting.

  4. ckg
    June 4, 2015, 1:49 pm

    Both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have stated that indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza during the 50-day war amounted to war crimes and rights violations. Norman Finkelstein has an interesting rebuttal, that if we recognize the right of a poor people such as Gazans to resist aggression, then we can’t require them to use the precision weapons that are only affordable to wealthy nations. Otherwise, the right to resist applies only to the wealthy. Regardless of the merits of Finkelstein’s argument, I don’t see how the long-range rockets accomplished anything other than to give Israel a pretext for its own massive war crimes.

    • Kris
      June 4, 2015, 3:38 pm

      @ckg: “Norman Finkelstein has an interesting rebuttal, that if we recognize the right of a poor people such as Gazans to resist aggression, then we can’t require them to use the precision weapons that are only affordable to wealthy nations. Otherwise, the right to resist applies only to the wealthy.”

      Of course “the right to resist applies only to the wealthy.” This is nothing new. In 1894, Anatole France wrote, “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”

      • just
        June 4, 2015, 3:45 pm

        +1, Kris! Thanks very much.

      • ckg
        June 4, 2015, 7:46 pm

        Indeed, Kris. An excellent comment.

  5. DoubleStandard
    June 4, 2015, 2:04 pm

    This is really sick. Mondoweiss often plumbs the depths of the abyss, but this is too much; it’s basically an article glorifying terrorists in Gaza.

    It is clear that Mr. Cohen is sympathetic to people who would want to kill him were he not a useful idiot for their cause.

    “As with every war, the resistance learns lessons and adapts. While Gaza’s fighters are massively outmatched technologically versus the middle east’s most well-armed military, the vast networks of tunnels fighters dug allowed them to engage in guerrilla combat that came as a surprise to the Israeli military. Though Israel escaped almost unscathed in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 and in Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012, resistance fighters killed 66 soldiers during last summer’s fighting, a sharp increase from the 13 killed (ten of them by friendly fire) in 2008/2009.”

    They only built those tunnels because Israel gave them concrete. They stole it from the people and used it to attack Israel.

    Now, no more concrete.

    • lysias
      June 4, 2015, 2:35 pm

      If you’re so opposed to terrorism, I would think you would applaud Hamas’s turning to a tactic (use of tunnels to attack enemy soldiers) that is clearly not terroristic.

      • DaBakr
        June 4, 2015, 5:15 pm

        So-your proposing that Israel declare that they want to fight a war where they equal the battlefield. It seems like you support any tactic that Hamas can use to further their cause without understanding that this is not ’67, ’81 or 06 w Hezbollah. Israelis in the south are not going away and there is nowhere to go anyway. Hamas will just rain down even more brutality upon their people waiting for many in the world to condemn only Israel as that is what they consider ‘victory’. The complete and utter destruction of their people? They don’t give a rats ass about them. If Hamas was fighting against any other Arab regime-everybody knows it would look like Syria, Northen Iraq or Yeman. Not 1500 bodies but 10s of 1000s. The Egyptian master Sisi would bomb the crp out of Gaza if Hamas attacked with any true ferocity. I wonder why this is… since MW claims Israel is so racist and all.

      • Donald
        June 4, 2015, 9:32 pm

        DeBakr–if Hamas were fighting Israel and had a real chance of overthrowing the Israeli government, then the death toll Israel would inflict would match or exceed anything else in the Mideast. The Syrian death toll is extremely high because the various rebel groups have inflicted tens of thousands of deaths on Asad’s military forces. How do you think Israel would react to a comparable threat? I’m not defending Asad’s human rights record, which is horrific, but just pointing out what is missing in your comparison.

      • talknic
        June 4, 2015, 10:44 pm

        @ DaBakr June 4, 2015, 5:15 pm

        “So-your proposing that Israel declare that they want to fight a war where they equal the battlefield.”

        Can’t see anything in the post you’re answering to that says or even infers such a notion. Why do you need to falsify?

        ” It seems like you support any tactic that Hamas can use to further their cause without understanding that this is not ’67, ’81 or 06 w Hezbollah. Israelis in the south are not going away and there is nowhere to go anyway.”

        Those in non-Israeli territory can go live in Israel or go holiday in some other country … or sit on a hill and watch the brave IDF illegally bombard Gazans who have no defense against Israeli high tech war planes, guided missiles, artillery, war ships

        Hamas will just rain down even more brutality upon their people waiting for many in the world to condemn only Israel as that is what they consider ‘victory’. The complete and utter destruction of their people? They don’t give a rats ass about them”

        They are them you stupid person. Hamas are from the population.

        ” If Hamas was fighting against any other Arab regime-everybody knows it would look like Syria, Northen Iraq or Yeman. Not 1500 bodies but 10s of 1000s.

        “if” = speculation (yours) … “everybody knows” what’s in your head.

        More than a million Palestinians have already been slaughtered by the Zionist colonial enterprise.

        “The Egyptian master Sisi would bomb the crp out of Gaza if Hamas attacked with any true ferocity. I wonder why this is..”

        Uh? “this is” ? It isn’t you stupid person, it’s just you speculating, running off at the mouth. Meaningless Ziodrivel

      • zaid
        June 5, 2015, 4:39 am

        Donald

        you are right and Israel was about to use nuclear weopens against Egypt and Syria in 1973 if it wasnot for the American intervention

      • Donald
        June 5, 2015, 12:31 pm

        “you are right and Israel was about to use nuclear weopens against Egypt and Syria in 1973 if it wasnot for the American intervention”

        I’ve read that somewhere, but can’t remember where.

        Anyway, this meme (and DeBakr isn’t the first) that Israel shows restraint as proven by the high death toll in Syria is, well, stupid. I can’t even imagine what Israel would do if faced with Islamist rebels who were killing tens of thousands of IDF members and threatening to wipe out Jews. Do people who come up with these arguments ever give two seconds of thought to what they are saying?

      • DaBakr
        June 5, 2015, 3:56 pm

        @tk

        okay, you have proven that you like to use the word “stupid” congratulations.

        As for your comment about Hamas being ‘the people-you know damn well the ‘people’ curse the Hamas as much as they curse the Israelis. They may not say it to the western media on camera. But they say it plenty. You want to deny how much trouble a ‘people’ in Gaza might get in for speaking against the leadership-thats fine. Fatah? More ‘people’. Your just an angry game player who woundnt concede a point because there is a brick wall inside your brain. Who is being stupid. I feel sorry for people like you who are so fixated, rigid and lacking in ordinary common sense.

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 12:52 am

        @ DaBakr

        “okay, you have proven that you like to use the word “stupid” congratulations

        Okay you’ve proven you cannot answer a simple question honestly. Keep up the good work

        “As for your comment about Hamas being ‘the people-you know damn well the ‘people’ curse the Hamas as much as they curse the Israelis”

        I know what Israel propaganda claims. Very little criticism of Hamas actually comes from the people of Gaza without whom Hamas would not exis. Hamas didn’t fall out of the sky

        “They may not say it to the western media on camera. But they say it plenty”

        Uh huh. So apart from the Israeli propaganda press, where do you get your information?

        “Your just an angry game player who woundnt concede a point because there is a brick wall inside your brain.”

        Oh…. How cute. The poor little Ziotroll can’t answer honestly so resorts the usual

    • talknic
      June 4, 2015, 2:52 pm

      @ DoubleStandard June 4, 2015, 2:04 pm

      ” it’s basically an article glorifying terrorists in Gaza”

      Quote something glorifying terrorists in Gaza. Thx. I’ll wait ………………………………………………….

      “It is clear that Mr. Cohen is sympathetic to people who would want to kill him were he not a useful idiot for their cause”

      Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      //“As with every war, the resistance learns lessons and adapts. While Gaza’s fighters are massively outmatched technologically versus the middle east’s most well-armed military, the vast networks of tunnels fighters dug allowed them to engage in guerrilla combat that came as a surprise to the Israeli military. Though Israel escaped almost unscathed in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 and in Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012, resistance fighters killed 66 soldiers during last summer’s fighting, a sharp increase from the 13 killed (ten of them by friendly fire) in 2008/2009.”//

      Seems every factual. No sympathy

      “They only built those tunnels because Israel gave them concrete. They stole it from the people and used it to attack Israel”

      A) I’ve only seen photos on one concrete lined tunnel

      B) They have a right to attack and kill armed foreigners in Gaza and in any of their territory “outside the State of Israel” and never legally annexed to Israel MAP

      • talknic
        June 4, 2015, 3:07 pm

        correction

        A) I’ve only seen photos of one concrete lined tunnel

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 3:46 pm

      Are you in charge of concrete, DS? You do seem to have more than a little lodged away…

      btw, “Israel gave them” nothing except terror and misery. It sells them stuff, sometimes.

    • Kris
      June 4, 2015, 3:51 pm

      “Signs of a major Israeli attack are becoming clear. Just yesterday, rockets were launched into Israel by a rogue Salafist group aiming to undermine Hamas and Israel responded by launching overnight airstrikes on Hamas targets, shaking all of Gaza and stirring fresh trauma from last summer. This morning Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon once again threatened to escalate bombing.”

      How should the Palestinians defend themselves, DoubleStandard? It is no secret that Israel regularly “mows the grass” in Gaza.

    • Shingo
      June 4, 2015, 5:06 pm

      It is clear that Mr. Cohen is sympathetic to people who would want to kill him were he not a useful idiot for their cause.

      If that were true, why didn’t they take the opportunity to kill him when they had the chance?

      • DoubleStandard
        June 5, 2015, 2:52 am

        “were he not a useful idiot for their cause.”

        Reading, shingo.

    • Shingo
      June 4, 2015, 5:30 pm

      Mondoweiss often plumbs the depths of the abyss, but this is too much; it’s basically an article glorifying terrorists in Gaza.

      What’s is your complaint exactly DS? The glorifying of terrorists or only the glorifying of terrorists in Gaza?

      Israel elected 2 terrorists to the office of prime minister. Is that not the glorifying of terrorists?

      In 2006, Israel also CELEBRATED the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the bombing of the King David Hotel. This was met with consternation by Britain. Is this not the glorifying of terrorists too DS?

      Please help me out here.

  6. Kay24
    June 4, 2015, 3:37 pm

    The brutal occupation alone is provocation and will naturally lead to retaliation in some form.
    Israel cannot expect the Palestinians to do nothing, while they occupy, steal lands, and send their precision bombs into homes. When you have held thousands of people under siege, blockaded them, stolen from them, treat them like dirt, make them go through endless military checks just to get to work, you must be insane to think they will love you back.

    I do not condone Palestinian militants sending rockets into areas in Israel where civilians live, just like those stinking precision bombs should not be aimed at civilian structure. However, let us not forget those rockets are so lame they hardly hit their targets, and unlike those precision bombs, the casualties are far less. The outrage from Israel is unbelievable sometimes, and the US media constantly talks about these lame rockets, and you never hear a squeak about those deadly precision bombs that wipes out entire families. It is sad that ultimately the unarmed Palestinians pay the price for the violence.

    • Froggy
      June 5, 2015, 7:28 pm

      Kay24 : “…you never hear a squeak about those deadly precision bombs that wipes out entire families.”

      And… since those precision weapons you refer to are Israeli, launched by Israeli forces, then it follows that Israel intended to wipe out entire families.

      • Kay24
        June 6, 2015, 7:35 am

        I am referring to the US media, and their inability to be neutral. I have yet to see any coverage about the plight of the Palestinians, their suffering, their refugee camps, and how much this brutal occupation affects the little children from the MSM.

  7. jon s
    June 4, 2015, 4:01 pm

    The writer , Mr. Cohen, glorifies these terrorists by calling them the “resistance “.
    Actually they are cowardly terrorists, like Hamas, who hide behind their own civilians. We saw them last summer , employing a cynical strategy deliberately intended to increase civilian casualties among their own people – by using hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian residences as launching sites, arms depots and such.
    Now they’re rebuilding: rockets, tunnels, bunkers for themselves- not homes for their people.
    Hopefully, next time they hear a drone, it will be the last thing they hear.

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 4:07 pm

      “Hopefully, next time they hear a drone, it will be the last thing they hear.”

      Wow, jon s. You sound very like FW. So nice to know that you’re a ‘teacher’.

      As for the rest of your pitiful hasbara, well it’s Zionist hasbara.

      • DoubleStandard
        June 5, 2015, 2:53 am

        It’s really so old already just calling everything you don’t want to hear hasbara. That’s not an argument. It’s just a buzzword within the anti-Semitic cult of which you are a proud member.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 10:54 am

        It’s really so old already just calling everything you don’t want to hear hasbara.

        what’s old is worn out talking pts ( jon s: “terrorists … who hide behind their own civilians”) straight from the israeli ministry spokesperson used to justify israeli crimes (see dahiya doctrine).

        speaking of ‘buzzwords’, you’re turning “anti semitic” into one by ascribing it to your ideological opponent sans an ounce of supporting evidence.

        and dan is not ‘glorifying terrorists’ by calling them what they are, the legitimate resistance movement of the palestinian people who have every right to resist israel’s decades long occupation. claiming they are terrorists is straight up propaganda.

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 11:03 am

        “and dan is not ‘glorifying terrorists’ by calling them what they are, the legitimate resistance movement of the palestinian people who have every right to resist israel’s decades long occupation. claiming they are terrorists is straight up propaganda.”

        Well stated Annie. Exactly right

        And this armed resistance has come about due to the brutal and never ending occupation, the ethnic cleansing and the slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people.

        If I was born there I’d be one of them. What other choice would I really have?

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 11:38 am

        yes DS – commenters like Just and others use the word “hasbara” as some kind of incantation to absolve themselves of any guilt for anything … it is a concept that confirms their strict, manichean worldview.

        For our interlocutors here at MW, ” … the dividing lines between good and evil are starkly clear. The essential conflict is between the traumatized purity of the victim and the … violence of the oppressor.”

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 12:30 pm

        guilt? what guilt? please explain.

        and you’re quoting david brooks for us jbird? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/opinion/david-brooks-the-campus-crusaders.html?_r=0

        brooks couches his claims like this: “many of today’s activists are forced to rely on a relatively simple social theory.”

        and then forgets to mention whose “theory” this is. (probably his own) he’s an opinion writer, he could just make the claim straight up, instead he says:

        According to this theory, the dividing lines between good and evil are starkly clear. The essential conflict is between the traumatized purity of the victim and the verbal violence of the oppressor.

        According to this theory, the ultimate source of authority is not some hard-to-understand truth. It is everybody’s personal feelings. A crime occurs when someone feels a hurt triggered, or when someone feels disagreed with or “unsafe.” In the Shulevitz piece, a Brown student retreats from a campus debate to a safe room because she “was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against” her dearly and closely held beliefs.

        Today’s campus activists are not only going after actual acts of discrimination — which is admirable. They are also going after incorrect thought — impiety and blasphemy. They are going after people for simply failing to show sufficient deference to and respect for the etiquette they hold dear. They sometimes conflate ideas with actions and regard controversial ideas as forms of violence.

        funny thing is, in the article called campus crusaders he mentioned sexism and bigotry “led by people who want to secure equal rights for gays, lesbians and other historically marginalized groups” and the teachers all twisted in knots from these PC kids but forgot to mention who pioneered being “personally hurt” by activists and their hurt feelings (brooks'”traumatized …victim”), it was the hillel jewish kids having to argue the pro zionist position and defend apartheid during the divestment debates happening on campus. their instructions were leaked (“be emotional”). but brooks doesn’t mention this or i/p or bds. not one mention of one of the largest movements sweeping american campuses. oh, and while mentioning the holocaust and swastikas he forgot to mention the professor who compared palestinians to dogs and called for genociding them (well, putting them down like dogs, i can’t recall the exact wording). interesting.

        anyway, your point? is it a “both sides” point? because there is an oppressor and an oppressed in the i/p conflict. one people are living under a brutal military occupation and the other are not. can you figure out which is which? but please don’t pretend activist for palestine are traumatized victims, we are not. nor do we suffer from bouts of guilt.

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 12:54 pm

        for an example of ” … the traumatized purity of the victim and the …violence of the oppressor.” please see Annie’s post: “guilt? what guilt?”

        for an example of ” … the dividing lines between good and evil are starkly clear …” please see Annie’s post: ” … (there) is an oppressor and an oppressed in the i/p conflict. one people are living under a brutal military occupation and the other are not.”

        if only the world were as simple and clearcut as you imagine.

        and i love the non-sequitor attack on Jewish students … not germane to this discussion OR the Brooks piece but you just couldn’t help yourself could you?

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 1:24 pm

        and i love the non-sequitor attack on Jewish students … not germane to this discussion OR the Brooks piece but you just couldn’t help yourself could you?

        so what exactly was your point in dragging the brooks article into a discussion not germane to it? please explain. or do you mean when you insert a quote into the discussion we’re not allowed to discuss it? and the title of the article — the topic you introduced — was activism on campus. and it was not an attack on “jewish students”. i was specific: “the hillel jewish kids having to argue the pro zionist position and defend apartheid during the divestment debates happening on campus”. as i am sure you are well aware, many many jewish students all across the country work on the pro divestment campaigns.

        Annie’s post: “guilt? what guilt?”

        iow, you have no answer to back up your (extremely lame) allegation, so now you’re doubling down on it. impressive/not!

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 1:34 pm

        Annie – you have demonstrated well both of the concepts from the Brooks column that i thought was germane to many dicussions regarding the i/p conflict.

        You seem to subscribe to both

        (1) a worldview that allows room for good and evil with little moral ambiguity and

        (2) a committment to the idea of the purity of the oppressed.

        Thank you for providing evidence of your fidelity to these concepts in each of your posts.

        … and furthermore, you DID NOT use the descriptor “Hillel” when disparaging Jewish students in your previous post. you seem to have throw that in after the fact as a means of deflecting any charges of bias … nice try :)

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 2:05 pm

        not to burst your bubble jbird, but around here you have to do a little more than just lobby ad hominems to make an argument. comprendo? you launch off claiming “commenters like Just and others use the word “hasbara” as some kind of incantation to absolve themselves of any guilt for anything” sans one example whatsoever (copy/paste works fine). i ask you what guilt and you make more unsourced claims “(1)” and “(2)”. how is anyone supposed to build and argument around a paper tiger.

        for example, click on my archives and try finding one example of me referencing my ideological opponents as “evil”. good luck w/that! and as for 2, excuse me? what purity? i don’t argue with those kinds of concepts.

        iow, you’re just lobbying insults.

        you have demonstrated well both of the concepts from the Brooks column

        and i offered a rebuttal to the concepts of the brooks column (his blatant avoidance of the biggest foreign policy activism on american campuses today, with examples) and you’re either incapable of countering it or afraid to…but oddly claim it’s me who initiated a discussion not germane to this discussion OR the Brooks piece, when it’s germane to both. it was a rebuttal, do you know what that means. now i can provide supporting links for you, because it’s all been documented here (although you can google and do your homework on your own) but you’re building an ad hominem argument against me, just and “others who use the word hasbara” offering no example what so ever. so we know you’re big on allegations and nada on source. my archives are available with the click on my name. now run along and do some copy pasting to back up your assertions or, cease and desist, or get ready to be taken to the cleaners..again because you sound foolish. and fyi, i am definitely NOT your or anyones traumatized victim, in your dreams dudette. i’m a warrior. and you’ve just crawled into a hole you show no indication of being able to crawl out of.

        toodles

        edit: you DID NOT use the descriptor “Hillel” ….

        yes i did but it’s irrelevant because of what i said after it “jewish kids having to argue the pro zionist position and defend apartheid during the divestment debates happening on campus.” obviously that doesn’t include lots of jewish students.

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 2:11 pm

        ” now run along and do some copy pasting to back up your assertions or, cease and desist, or get ready to be taken to the cleaners..again because you sound foolish. and fyi, i am definitely NOT your or anyones traumatized victim, in your dreams dudette. i’m a warrior.

        toodles”

        Ha ha! Too good Annie!

        You are indeed a warrior Annie. It’s a pleasure to ‘know’ you.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 2:17 pm

        a pleasure to know you too bornajoo! i love love love your contributions here. and thank you. ;)

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 2:17 pm

        Annie you are hilarious, you warrior you. You really know how to type tough.

        Keep tilting at those windmills!!

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 2:59 pm

        Hello jbird4

        When I read your comments and replies it’s like looking into an old faded mirror. You remind me of who I used to be and how I used to think 3 + decades ago. It actually gives me goosebumps and a very cold HORRIBLE feeling which I couldn’t describe if I tried. But it does make me feel physically sick

        You are severely brainwashed, just like I used to be and you are on the wrong side of history, BIG TIME. I had no idea I sounded like you just like you have no idea how you sound now.

        It’s hard, I know, but you do need to try and understand the real truth because only that real truth can ever set you free

        Peace.

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 3:07 pm

        Bornajoo,

        I hope you feel better soon – no reason to go around feeling sick.

        It must be nice to feel so certain about which way history is going. The world as i perceive it is a much more ambiguous and messy place.

        Your evolution from acceptance of ambiguity to absolute certainty about how the world works is kind of the inverse of the usual politcial evolution many people experience, isn’t it? Fascinating.

        And as for truth, that is all i am after.

        And peace to you

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 3:59 pm

        “Your evolution from acceptance of ambiguity to absolute certainty about how the world works is kind of the inverse of the usual politcial evolution many people experience, isn’t it? Fascinating.”

        Not really. It happened about 30 + years ago in israel when I saw with my own eyes one group who had absolute power over another treat them like sub humans, slaves and untermensche. It was before the word Hamas came into circulation. And I predicted the situation today, not because I’m a genius, but because it was so obvious.

        Not that fascinating really.

      • CigarGod
        June 5, 2015, 5:57 pm

        I’ll second that experience. Once upon a time in 1968…a little sf bay area zionist (hateful little bastard, really) went to do a semester in israel. The conversion began on the plane listening to disgusting talk about arabs. It continued at baggage claim…where they were treated so rudely…and it never stopped until I was home again.

        I suggest you plan a trip…now…and turn off your favorite tv/radio…now.

    • zaid
      June 4, 2015, 4:20 pm

      They are definitely resistance movements.

      Even if they used terrorism (a method that i do not accept or condone) but they are still resistance, since their aim is to liberate Palestine, and resist the occupation.

      the rest of your comment is just pure myths.

    • Donald
      June 4, 2015, 4:31 pm

      Cuts both ways Jon S. Everyone in Israel involved in supporting or defending settlements is a cowardly monster or whatever epithet you want to use. Everyone who defends the actions of the IDF last summer, as you do, is endorsing the killing of children. Everyone who pretends the death toll was due mainly to Hamas’s tactics, as you do, is being dishonest about war crimes.

      I wish the Palestinians would give up violent resistance, but it is hypocritical for Westerners to say this as though we are in a morally superior position when we aren’t. Hamas is within its rights to shoot at invading Israeli soldiers–I agree with AI that the rockets were wrong. Israel keeps Gazans in prison, shoots at civilians on a regular basis in peacetime, and then you act shocked that some Gazans want to shoot back.

      • RoHa
        June 4, 2015, 7:32 pm

        “I wish the Palestinians would give up violent resistance ”

        They have tried non-violent resistance.

      • Donald
        June 4, 2015, 9:00 pm

        They’ve tried violent resistance too–it fails. The rockets do nothing to weaken Israel’s ability to hurt Palestinians. BDS might work.

      • RoHa
        June 4, 2015, 9:36 pm

        Non-violent didn’t work either. Keep fingers crossed about BDS.

    • Kris
      June 4, 2015, 5:25 pm

      Gosh, no more Mr. Chips from jon s.

      Deliberate lies to defend Israel’s horrific war crimes in Gaza last summer, and a hateful endorsement of extrajudicial assassination. The mask has come off.

    • Shingo
      June 4, 2015, 5:35 pm

      Actually they are cowardly terrorists, like Hamas, who hide behind their own civilians.

      Thanks for displaying your psychosis once again Jon S.

      The IDF has openly admitted it uses human shields and has appealed a Supreme Court ban against their use.

      I take it you therefore admit the IDF are also cowardly terrorists, like Hamas, who hide behind civilians?

      We saw them last summer , employing a cynical strategy deliberately intended to increase civilian casualties among their own people – by using hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian residences as launching sites, arms depots and such.

      You saw no such thing. In fact, your cowardly IDF couldn’t produce any evidence of this and resorted to using footage from 2012.

      Now they’re rebuilding: rockets, tunnels, bunkers for themselves- not homes for their people.

      According to the UN, Israel is blocking the importation of all building materials.

      Hopefully, next time they hear a drone, it will be the last thing they hear.

      Let’s see how you feel when a Hezbollah drone is flying over your home scum bag.

    • Marnie
      June 5, 2015, 6:40 am

      JonS – “We saw them last summer , employing a cynical strategy deliberately intended to increase civilian casualties among their own people – by using hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian residences as launching sites, arms depots and such.”

      Can’t you trolls ever speak for yourselves? Is that the royal we? I don’t know what you saw last summer; but from your writing it sounds like hallucinations. I thought maybe what you really saw last summer was from a beach during a barbecue and some beers, toasting the IDF while they bombed the shit out of Gazans.

      Who are you to condemn their resistance? Yes, it would be so much easier if they’d all just line up against a wall and die, but they’re stronger than that and love their children and life too much to roll over and die.

      FYI – the money to rebuild their homes should come straight out of the zionist state’s coffers. Maybe then the IDF won’t be so damn eager to blow them up!

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 11:08 am

        “Can’t you trolls ever speak for yourselves? Is that the royal we? I don’t know what you saw last summer; but from your writing it sounds like hallucinations. I thought maybe what you really saw last summer was from a beach during a barbecue and some beers, toasting the IDF while they bombed the shit out of Gazans.

        Who are you to condemn their resistance? Yes, it would be so much easier if they’d all just line up against a wall and die, but they’re stronger than that and love their children and life too much to roll over and die.

        FYI – the money to rebuild their homes should come straight out of the zionist state’s coffers. Maybe then the IDF won’t be so damn eager to blow them up!”

        Thanks for that extremely factual and truthful comment Marnie. +1000!

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 11:32 am

        +1, Bornajoo and Marnie!

      • Froggy
        June 5, 2015, 7:58 pm

        Marnie : “Who are you to condemn their resistance?”

        My grandfather was in the French Résistance. I once asked him what weapons they used against the Nazis who occupied and controlled France. He snarled back at me, ‘We used whatever we could find.’

        The Jews imprisoned in the Warsaw Ghetto did the same.

        Why should the Gazans do any less when fighting against the Nazis who have imprisoned them and made a ghetto out of Gaza?

      • Kris
        June 6, 2015, 11:38 am

        @Froggy:

        My grandfather was in the French Résistance. I once asked him what weapons they used against the Nazis who occupied and controlled France. He snarled back at me, ‘We used whatever we could find.’

        The Jews imprisoned in the Warsaw Ghetto did the same.

        Why should the Gazans do any less when fighting against the Nazis who have imprisoned them and made a ghetto out of Gaza?

        Wonderful post, thank you!

      • Froggy
        June 6, 2015, 12:22 pm

        Kris : Thank you.

        It’s all of a piece. To the Nazi occupiers men and women like my grandfather were all terrorists. To the Allies, and especially to the French, men like my grandfather were heroes.

        So why should it be any different with the Gazan freedom fighters?

    • talknic
      June 5, 2015, 6:50 am

      @ jon s June 4, 2015, 4:01 pm

      “Actually they are cowardly terrorists, like Hamas, who hide behind their own civilians”

      Evidence for your accusations please

      “We saw them last summer , employing a cynical strategy deliberately intended to increase civilian casualties among their own people – by using hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian residences as launching sites, arms depots and such”

      Oh, you mean like Jewish terrorists did, even slaughtering their own

      BTW Gazas militants are their own people you stupid person. Where do you think resistance fighters come from? Fall out of the sky?

      “Now they’re rebuilding: rockets, tunnels, bunkers for themselves- not homes for their people.”

      They are the people and they have a legal right to build rockets, tunnels and bunkers and to kill Israeli belligerents as long as the war on Palestine continues

      “Hopefully, next time they hear a drone, it will be the last thing they hear.”

      Hopefully you won’t go getting yourself hit by a bus or drowning in the hatefilled bullsh*t you spew

      • bintbiba
        June 5, 2015, 12:45 pm

        +1 , Marnie at 6:40am
        +1 , Bornajoo at 11:08

        +1 , Talknic 4:01

      • ritzl
        June 6, 2015, 4:34 am

        Interesting sidenote, jon s is a Meretz supporter.

        To talknic and everyone pointing out the tireless incoherence of these Zio-assertions, I really don’t know how you maintain the energy to be equally tireless with the much needed “corrections.”

        It’s as amazing as it us uplifting. Thank you all.

      • eljay
        June 6, 2015, 8:33 am

        || ritzl @ June 6, 2015, 4:34 am. ||

        +1 to that! :-)

      • talknic
        June 6, 2015, 10:28 am

        @ ritzl June 6, 2015, 4:34 am

        “Thank you all”

        Oh no. No no no. You should thank Jon s and company for affording so many opportunities to hold their wholly holey moldy olde Hasbara up to the light

    • Mooser
      June 5, 2015, 11:42 am

      “Hopefully, next time they hear a drone, it will be the last thing they hear.”

      I try to do what’s right and moral, and I believe in equality, not supremacism. I hope you do, too. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=moral#sthash.CkKbto2J.dpuf

      I support the two state solution, oppose the occupation and consider myself a sincere friend of the Palestinian people, and have tried make my small contribution towards realizing that goal – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=moral#sthash.CkKbto2J.dpuf

      I oppose the occupation and its injustices as much as anyone else, on both moral and political grounds. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=moral#sthash.CkKbto2J.dpuf

      I never ignored civilian Palestinian casualties. I was horrified by the death and destruction in Gaza – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=death#sthash.KJzXrxWW.dpuf

      Teacher, can you spell “a-r-c-h-i-v-e”?

  8. DaBakr
    June 4, 2015, 5:07 pm

    The soldiers in Gaza “prepare” it is said here. We say they are preparing for their next attack which is far into the planning stages. And no matter how successful this attack is-you can be sure that the folks here at MW will be ready to accuse Israel of ‘barbaric war crimes’, ‘starting whatever and whenever the coming war commences’ and generally blaming Israel for anything that happens. Of course Israel is planning too. It would be insane not to.

    Funny how its not even surprising any longer. Its just how it is.

    • talknic
      June 4, 2015, 10:16 pm

      @ DaBakr June 4, 2015, 5:07 pm

      The soldiers in Gaza “prepare” it is said here. We say they are preparing for their next attack which is far into the planning stages. “

      Nothing you say can be trusted. The whole notion behind being a propagandist is to lie, feign ignorance, falsely accuse, never honestly answer reasonable questions, never learn from facts, in fact to ignore facts and pop your empty head up again later still trying the same schtick that didn’t work last time you tried it. You and your fellow workers can be spotted a mile away. Demonstrating a level of intelligence that would otherwise render you unemployable. Keep up the good work BTW

      Under the Laws of War they are allowed to prepare to defend and attack ANY armed foreigner in ANY of their rightful territories and once a war has started as the one with Israel did at precisely 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) with Jewish/Israeli forces already in territories “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”“, Palestinians may attack armed Israelis even across actual borders MAP, in fact anywhere in the world.

      “starting whatever and whenever the coming war commences’ “

      When did the 1897- Zionist colonialist war on Palestine ever end? There has never been a Ceasefire Agreement, Armistice Agreement or Peace Treaty with Palestine.

      “and generally blaming Israel for anything that happens”

      It’s Israel in breach of its own borders and the UN Charter. It’s Zionist colonialism has been at work for over a century. The Palestinians didn’t colonize Israel.

      “Of course Israel is planning too. It would be insane not to.”

      Most countries prepare for defense of their own territories. Israel prepares for war in order to keep non-Israeli territories it has illegally acquired by war.

      It’s also insane to expect to steal other folks territory since being afforded, completely gratis the territory for a Jewish State, and not have repercussions.

      “Funny how its not even surprising any longer. Its just how it is. “

      It’s just how Zionist colonialism and people like you have made it pal.

      • Shingo
        June 4, 2015, 10:39 pm

        Nicely done Talknic.

        DaBakr is recycling the Ziosupremacist trope that everything Israel does is self defense and that Israel alone has that right – even when it’s starting wars. He is also ignoring the fact that Israeli leaders are already talking about the next war and warning that it will claim more civilian casualties than the last.

      • ritzl
        June 6, 2015, 4:39 am

        Agree, Shingo.

  9. yonah fredman
    June 4, 2015, 5:17 pm

    If Mondoweiss claims the mantel of the war of ideas, what exactly should one think about this article about the resistance? The paucity of the ideas of netanyahu and the Israeli military in dealing with Gaza are matched by the paucity of ideas of the resistance. This is the opposite of the war of ideas, the war that the lack of ideas has wrought.

    • Kris
      June 4, 2015, 5:26 pm

      I’d love to read your ideas of what the Palestinian resistance should do, yonah.

    • just
      June 4, 2015, 5:28 pm

      ishkabibble/ishkababble.

      iow, I like the words you’re using (wrought, paucity), but your post makes no sense.

    • Donald
      June 4, 2015, 5:42 pm
    • Donald
      June 4, 2015, 5:44 pm

      Okay, I’m putting this comment where it belongs. Yonah, I think that is a fair point.

      • Shingo
        June 4, 2015, 7:35 pm

        I take it Donald that the principal of cause and effect is foreign to you.

        Seriously Donald, while I have the greatest respect for you and your comments, you continue to insist on setting the moral yard stick for the Palestinians far higher than for Israel.

        One could only agree with you and Yonah if you believe this is a conflict between 2 sides that are equally powerful and equally culpable.

        Would you also argue a rape victim should be prosecuted for the scratches she inflicts on her assailant. After all, one could argue the rapist would’ve far more gentle if she didn’t put up a fight. Hell, she might even decide she’s not being raped after all and enjoy it.

      • Donald
        June 4, 2015, 9:17 pm

        Since I don’t in fact think the Palestinians are anywhere near as guilty as the Israelis in committing atrocities, and I see this conflict as one of Israeli oppression of a much weaker Paalestinian side, you are apparently misreading me. Yonah can speak for himself.

        I can understand why Palestinians, especially young men, would favor shooting back at the Israelis, but it doesn’t work. If they could win their freedom with weapons, then yes, they have the right to do it, but the fact is that rocket fire accomplished nothing. In saying this I am not saying that the Western focus on rocket fire is right or just–it is in fact deeply hypocritical given that Israel regularly kills more civilians in peacetime. That doesn’t make the rocket fire a sensible idea.

        The Palestinians have no way to defend their people militarily. They can kill some Israeli soldiers, but they can’t stop air strikes or artillery barrages.

      • can of worms
        June 5, 2015, 1:31 am

        @Donald “I can understand why Palestinians, especially young men, would favor shooting back at the Israelis, but it doesn’t work. ”

        1. ) First let’s get rid of the violent/nonviolent dichotomy, shall we? The Zionist project (incl. JNF, Jewish Agency, Histadrut and ALL Zionist institutions) uses institutional violence to impoverish Palestinians, imprison them, and take away their human and civil rights.

        2.) It doesn’t work? Say what? Without Hamas using armed resistance this last summer, Israel would have done its few days of grassmowing and moved on. The guerilla resistance heroically engaged Israel for over a month, forcing Israel to show its hand and deconstructing the myths Israel tells itself and the world. As a result of the resistance, the Gaza massacre has in turn engaged people around the world in solidarity with the Palestinian people in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem, in segregated Israel, and in the Palestinian ‘diaspora’.

        3.) The struggle is ongoing. It’s people who say “it doesn’t work” who insidiously aim to prevent it from “working” in the end.

        4.) The right to self defense is not based on whether it “will work”. Self defense is itself a right.

        5.) The United STates civil rights (so-called “nonviolent”) movement would not have “worked” as it did without the parallel “work” of black power.

        6.) Likewise in South Africa, the end of formal apartheid was not accomplished without the armed “work” of the Pan African Congress, MK, etc.

        7.) “especially young men” = ha. You make it seem as if to use armed resistance, with all its risks, were merely something visceral and hormonal.
        FYI armed resistance to colonialism has intellectual roots – it is a little deeper than “shooting back at the Israelis”, it involves defining a better society.

        8.) The gradual turn to arms is inevitable given a situation where nonviolent resistance is brutally put down. So the question of whether it “works” should give way to the question of how to use it and control it in the best way.

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 11:30 am

        Great comment can of worms. +1. Well stated. Fully agree.

      • Shingo
        June 5, 2015, 3:01 am

        If they could win their freedom with weapons, then yes, they have the right to do it, but the fact is that rocket fire accomplished nothing.

        It’s times like this Donald that I get the impression you are taking your intellectual objectivity and emotional detachment to borderline sadism. It is reminiscent of the Just War Theory debate we had when you stood alone with Jerome Slater and one or two right wing Israeli supporters in defense of an option that only a state Roth a powerful army could ever contemplate.

        Now you are arguing that the Palestinians efforts to resist are immoral because they have no chance of prevailing.

        The more one examines your argument, the more absurd it becomes. It implies moral failure on the part of the weak for not having better weaponry or more to the point, that morality is proportional to the military capabilities of the state. One could argue you’re justifying military aggression so long as the state in question can guarantee the safety of it’s citizenry.

        In any case,your reasoning is flawed, because is rests upon the false assumption that nonresistance would lead to better outcome. There is little evidence to support this.

        Moshe Dayan revealed long ago that with respect to the conflict with Syria, Israel’s strategy was to escalate their incitement until the Syrians eventually fired back, which the Israelis then used as a pretext for war.

        In the case of Gaza, we already know Israel employs this strategy relentlessly. Every time the leadership feels the itch to mow the lawn, there is a predictable raid or cross border attack based on a phony pretext. If this doesn’t trigger the desired response, Israel ups the ante until they get the reaction they want.

        Acquiescence will not stop air strikes or artillery barrages either, because this is usually how Israel initiates the conflict, even if you ignore the ongoing occupation. You’re prescription is that Palestinians take their punishment like an abused wife hoping that her husband will stop beating her once he feels satiated or loses interest. While this might shorten the duration of the beatings, it will not prevent the next one.

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 11:25 am

        +1, can of worms and Shingo!!!

      • Donald
        June 5, 2015, 11:35 am

        “The more one examines your argument, the more absurd it becomes. It implies moral failure on the part of the weak for not having better weaponry or more to the point, that morality is proportional to the military capabilities of the state. One could argue you’re justifying military aggression so long as the state in question can guarantee the safety of it’s citizenry.”

        Well, it certainly is absurd when you start invoking things I didn’t say and don’t think. I already said I think Israel is vastly more guilty, so in effect what I said was that immorality is proportional to the military capabilities of the state, the exact opposite of your reading.

        I have less interest in these long online arguments than I used to, where people get mad and start reading into other people’s remarks things which are the opposite of what they think. Where a disagreement about one point is blown up into something 1000 times bigger, because it makes it easier to “win” an argument if your opponent is REALLY saying something completely different from what he says he is saying. And I really have no interest in refuting an 8 point manifesto, imperfect analogies, or any of the rest of this.

      • Shingo
        June 5, 2015, 7:23 pm

        Well, it certainly is absurd when you start invoking things I didn’t say and don’t think.

        I didn’t put words in your mouth or even ascribe any thoughts to you Donald. What I did was take your arguments to their logic conclusions or consider the consequences.

        I recognize that you strive to maintain high levels of moral consistency in your arguments Donald, and in that regard, you are head and shoulders above me. But there comes a point at which that level of objectivity falls apart.

        For someone who is usually so considered and thougtful, you occasionally turn to a superficial position that if only Hamas or other militants behaved themselves, then their lives would better or that the wheels of justice would come to aid of the Palestinians.

        You alluded to the right to resist being incumbent upon being able to achieve a result. As Can Of Worms had pointed out, that’s no your call not is it based on any legal interpretation. What your argument does do is impose a condition on the Palestinians (the ability to defend their citizens) that is impossible for them to meet while being no problem for Israel. Surely you can see that problem with your position.

        You alluded to BDS as a preferable solution, but that begs the question, what if BDS begins to really bite and the Israelis seek retribution through military attacks on the Palestinians. Would that make BDS illegitimate?

    • JWalters
      June 4, 2015, 6:33 pm

      This war was not wrought by a lack of ideas. It was wrought by war profiteers hiding behind brainwashed religious idiots like Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely.
      https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/13/neocon-chaos-promotion-in-the-mideast/#comment-193096

      Please see my comment above, on just’s selected quotes, for a concrete suggestion.

    • Shingo
      June 4, 2015, 7:45 pm

      If Mondoweiss claims the mantel of the war of ideas, what exactly should one think about this article about the resistance?

      How about the fact one never gets to hear these testimonies and that the narrative we are perpetually fed is the Israeli narrative that these resisters only reason d ‘etre is to kill Jews and that they have no interest in peace or civilized existence?

    • eljay
      June 4, 2015, 9:09 pm

      || y.f.: If Mondoweiss claims the mantel of the war of ideas, what exactly should one think about this article about the resistance? The paucity of the ideas of netanyahu and the Israeli military in dealing with Gaza are matched by the paucity of ideas of the resistance. This is the opposite of the war of ideas, the war that the lack of ideas has wrought. ||

      I have a terrific idea, one that has never been tried. Israel:
      – immediately halts it occupation and colonization of Palestine;
      – withdraws to within its / Partition borders;
      – honours its obligations under international law;
      – accepts responsibility for its past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      – enters into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      Voilà! No more resistance because there is no more oppressor or oppression to resist.

      • Jbird4
        June 5, 2015, 12:09 pm

        your ideas were tried eljay and it didn’t work out so well:

        from
        http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/iopt0707/5.htm

        “Palestinian Rocket Attacks since the IDF Withdrawal:

        Palestinian armed groups fired about 2,700 Qassam-type rockets from September 2005 through May 2007.”

        Israel withdraws (as you suggested) and is greeted by 2700 rockets … so much for your “no more resistance” canard … i’m starting to think that maybe Hamas isn’t interested in peaceful coexistence …

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 1:11 pm

        September 2005 through May 2007.”

        Israel withdraws (as you suggested) and is greeted by 2700 rockets

        not quite. israel withdrew and blockaded gaza. before 2007, there was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_economic_sanctions_against_the_Palestinian_National_Authority

        2006–07 economic sanctions against the Palestinian National Authority

        The 2006–07 economic sanctions against the Palestinian National Authority were economic sanctions imposed by Israel and the Quartet on the Middle East against the Palestinian National Authority and the Palestinian territories following the January 2006 legislative elections that brought Hamas to power.[1][2]
        The international sanctions were terminated in June 2007 following the Battle of Gaza, while at the same time a new and more severe blockade was initiated by Israel against Gaza.

        we all know israel didn’t ‘withdraw and was greeted w/rockets’. that’s finely tuned propaganda we’ve been hearing repeatedly for years. can’t you tell hasbara central to come up w/more myths for us to debunk?

      • zaid
        June 5, 2015, 3:36 pm

        JBird4

        if Israel thinks it can withdraw from Gaza and gain the Gazans surrender then they need to think again.

        Gaza is only 1.3% of Palestine and more than 70% of Gazans are refugees from 1948.

        We dont accept a small bone thrown to us.

        Palestine is 27000 Km2 and Palestinians have the right to live in every single centimeter of it.

        No one has the right to tell us to live here but not there, or live there but not here. whether they have a strong military or not, whether supported by the USA or not…..we donot give a damn, and we never gave damn before.

        there are 5.5 million palestinian refugees and all of them have the right to return to their cities and villages.

        Until this happens….Palestininas will continue to resist.

        I might disagree with Hamas regarding a certain method of resistance, but no one can deny them the right to resist.

      • Jbird4
        June 8, 2015, 1:37 pm

        Zaid stated:

        “…..we donot give a damn, and we never gave damn before …”

        yes the world can see that quite well Zaid – you don’t give a damn about compromise or the steps it may take to secure a peaceful and prosperous homeland. that is quite obvious and frankly one of the major reasons (among others of course) that Palestinean people continue to live in undeserved squalor and insecurity. maybe if you started giving a damn (and dealing with the world AS IT IS, not as you wish it to be) the people of Palestine would be a lot better off. But, hey, you sure said it – you don’t give a damn. at least you are honest with yourself. your nihilism condemns you to continued conflict.

      • Froggy
        June 8, 2015, 10:38 pm

        Jbird4 : “yes the world can see that quite well Zaid ….”

        What the ‘world’ sees are the ruins in Gaza; the murdered Palestinian children; the reports of Palestinian houses being pulled down in Jerusalem and in villages; the encroaching settlements, growing like cancers; the destruction of crops; productive fruit trees, and olive groves; the settlers injuring, and even murdering innocent Palestinians who are just going about their daily chores; IDF harassment of Palestinians (and others) at checkpoints; the Israelis gathered on high ground to watch and to cheer as Palestinian homes, schools, hospitals and other institutions are turned into rubble, burying the bodies of the ordinary Palestinians who lived and worked in those buildings.

        The ‘world’ sees pictures of desecrated churches in Jerusalem, and reads the news stories of Israelis spitting on Orthodox priests in the streets. And somehow, despite Israeli self-proclaimed technological genius, the Israeli police never can manage to identify the perpetrators. We’ve read what your extremist rabbis have said about non-Jews.

        The ‘world’ saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmYPVxqI44

        And this: http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

        We see what you zionistas are as the reporting and video are brought into out homes on TF1, France 24, the BBC, Channel 4, ITV, Sky, RT, Al Jazeera, ABC Asia Pacific (Australia), and DW. No amount of hasbara will change that.

        Zaid is right. There is nothing to be gained in negotiating with liars, thieves and murderers.

        Froggy, in France

      • Shingo
        June 9, 2015, 2:14 am

        you don’t give a damn about compromise or the steps it may take to secure a peaceful and prosperous homeland

        Amazing coming from someone defending a political leadership who is opposed to any kind of peace. The same leadership that for a decade, has continually rejected the Arab Peace offer singed by 22 Arabs states offering to not only recognise Israel, but normalize relations.

        that is quite obvious and frankly one of the major reasons (among others of course) that Palestinean people continue to live in undeserved squalor and insecurity.

        The main reason being that they not Jews, and no amount of concessions – other than mass conversion to Judaism – will ever change that.

        maybe if you started giving a damn (and dealing with the world AS IT IS, not as you wish it to be) the people of Palestine would be a lot better off

        No, because no an amount of giving a damn will change the fact that those Palestinians are not Jews.No amount of giving a damn will stop Palestinians being regarded as a demographic threat.

      • Donald
        June 5, 2015, 3:43 pm

        “we all know israel didn’t ‘withdraw and was greeted w/rockets’. that’s finely tuned propaganda we’ve been hearing repeatedly for years. can’t you tell hasbara central to come up w/more myths for us to debunk? ”

        I wonder if he’s aware that it is BS? People who follow the issue more closely than what appears in the MSM know that it is BS, but I constantly see people online using that “Israel withdrew and got rockets” argument. Politicians use it too, I think, though I can’t remember offhand if Obama has used it. It’s one of those cliches that is used so often in the mainstream that many people probably think it is factual–the Big Lie technique strikes again. I even saw someone the other day claim that Israel doesn’t retaliate. Nothing about farmers and fishermen getting shot, nothing about the blockade imposed on both imports and exports and people themselves prevented from traveling outside. Just Israel withdrew and they got rockets.

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Legions of people stand in solidarity with you, zaid!

      • eljay
        June 5, 2015, 4:06 pm

        || Jbird4: your ideas were tried eljay and it didn’t work out so well … ||

        Were they tried? Let’s see:
        – immediately halts it occupation and colonization of Palestine – nope
        – withdraws to within its / Partition borders – nope
        – honours its obligations under international law – nope
        – accepts responsibility for its past and on-going (war) crimes – nope
        – enters into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace – nope

        Not only was the entire package of ideas not tried, but none of the individual ideas was tried. So, when you said “your ideas were tried” what you actually meant was “none of your ideas was tried”. And you’re right, and I agree.

        || … i’m starting to think that maybe Hamas isn’t interested in peaceful coexistence … ||

        Let’s apply justice, accountability and equality to the situation first, and then we’ll see who is and who is not interested in peaceful co-existence.

      • zaid
        June 5, 2015, 4:15 pm

        thanx JUST

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 4:51 pm

        Legions of people stand in solidarity with you, zaid!

        yep!!! too many millions to count! http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli

      • zaid
        June 5, 2015, 5:01 pm

        @annie

        Refreshing.

      • Shingo
        June 5, 2015, 9:59 pm

        “Palestinian Rocket Attacks since the IDF Withdrawal

        What about the Israeli shelling of Gaza right after it withdrew, firing nearly 15 thousand shells at Gaza by May 2007. Funny how pro Israeli shills keep ignoring this inconvenient fact.

        “From September 2005 through May 2007, the same period covered by the rocket
        attack statistics cited above, the IDF fired 14,617 artillery shells into Gaza.

        http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/iopt0707web.pdf

      • Shingo
        June 5, 2015, 10:16 pm

        israel withdrew and blockaded gaza. before 2007, there was this

        Not to mention this:

        http://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/30/israelgaza-strip-rockets-and-shelling-violate-laws-war
        http://www.hrw.org/node/10911/section/1

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 1:04 am

        @ bird4 “your ideas were tried eljay and it didn’t work out so well:

        from
        link to hrw.org

        Thanks for the link. I always try to reciprocate. As you seem to believe HRW

        http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/iopt0707/6.htm#_Toc170198354

        Legal Conclusions

        Israel’s artillery attacks on northern Gaza in cases investigated by Human Rights Watch have violated international humanitarian law prohibitions against indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks. First, the use of 155mm high-explosive … etc etc

      • just
        June 8, 2015, 3:04 pm

        jbird writes:

        …”you don’t give a damn about compromise or the steps it may take to secure a peaceful and prosperous homeland. that is quite obvious and frankly one of the major reasons (among others of course) that Palestinean people continue to live in undeserved squalor and insecurity…. your nihilism condemns you to continued conflict.”

        The Palestinians have done all the compromising, Israel has done none. You took “the peaceful and prosperous homeland” of the Palestinians by force and through theft! The “undeserved squalor and insecurity” enforced upon the good Palestinian people is courtesy of the actions of the criminal Occupier, the state called Israel, who has been supplied by the West.

        Israel, and people like you, are the nihilists (among other things!)

        “nihilism
        [ ˈnīəˌlizəm, ˈnē- ]
        NOUN
        the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.”

        (Oxford)

        …”The government has thousands of soldiers (both in uniform and otherwise) carrying out its routine tasks of violence. Mother’s sweet boys are demolishing shacks and breaking into homes, and father’s sweet children are shooting at fisherman. And the beloved fathers decided that certain people don’t need to stay where they were born, on their lands, but there’s no problem for the superior people to live there.

        And there’s the brave, heroic father who signs the order that will destroy the livelihood of thousands of people, and there are other very nice uncles and big brothers among the Israelis who are the jailers of 1.8 million people, and the high-techies, with rings in their ears, who are involved in deadly military innovations, and there are the sweet children who aren’t tormented by the children and the women they kill with the push of a button or the 1.8 million prisoners. Not being tormented and not wanting to know are also routine missions in the service of the state – the plaster that binds the bricks of our everlasting rule.

        Aside from the sumud, Palestinian regular resilience, the ways that Palestinians and a handful of Israelis oppose the violence are individual, case by case: They protest, hire lawyers, write reports and Facebook posts, build new shacks, plant in their fields, go on hunger strikes in prison, donate money. Then the government gets its soldiers to arrest the Facebook posters, shoot the protestors, arrest children in the dead of night, confiscate tractors, punish the hunger-strikers, and publish lies in response to the reports and smash the lawyers. In this war of attrition, the violent government always has more soldiers and resources.”…

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.660141?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        Sumud does not mean “nihilism”.

      • talknic
        June 9, 2015, 5:36 am

        @ Jbird4 I see. You’re quite content to accept HRW. Good work!

        I hope you’re sitting down so you won’t hurt yourself when you start to hyperventilate, shake, shudder and spittle fleck in a vein popping, eye rolling apoplectic fit of Ziocaine induced hypocrisy

        From the same report, link to hrw.org

        From September 2005 through May 2007, the same period covered by the rocket attack statistics cited above, the IDF fired 14,617 artillery shells into Gaza . This fire killed at least 59 people, wounded another 270 people, and did significant damage to many civilian structures.6 Of the 38 Palestinians killed through September 2006, 17 were children under the age of 16, 12 were women, and one was a 60-year-old man; Human Rights Watch, in its field investigations, identified 5 of the remaining 8 men as civilians.7 A subsequent artillery attack on November 8 killed or mortally wounded 23 and injured at least 40 Palestinians, all civilians. etc etc
        —–
        Israeli artillery strikes in 2006 also left many unexploded shells strewn on the ground that constitute a continuing hazard to lives and livelihoods. etc etc
        —–
        Israel did not routinely investigate cases in which civilians died or were injured to learn from past cases of civilian casualties and to ensure that in the future all feasible precautions were taken to avoid them. The combination of increased shelling considerably closer to populated areas and failure to investigate suggest, at the very least , an indifference to the duty to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian casualties and a failure to rigorously balance concrete military advantage against expected civilian harm, as required by the rule of proportionality . etc etc
        —-
        When investigating incidents, Human Rights Watch found that IDF shelling with 155mm howitzers often caused unnecessary loss of civilian life and property in violation of international humanitarian law . In one serious case, artillery was used indiscriminately, in a manner that could not properly discriminate between civilians and combatants. Other times, the evidence suggested that the attacks were disproportionate, causing expected civilian loss that was excessive compared to any anticipated military gain. The repeated use of such methods of attack, combined with the evident failure of the IDF adequately to investigate harm caused to civilians, demonstrated a failure to take all steps feasible to minimize civilian loss, in violation of IHL.
        —–
        http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/iopt0707/6.htm#_Toc170198354
        Legal Conclusions

        Israel’s artillery attacks on northern Gaza in cases investigated by Human Rights Watch have violated international humanitarian law prohibitions against indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks . First, the use of 155mm high-explosive artillery shells—with an expected casualty radius of up to 300 meters—primarily to deter and disrupt rocket launches by Palestinian armed groups near populated residential areas cannot be sufficiently discriminate to avoid needless civilian casualties.

        Second, firing 155mm artillery shells at land areas near civilian residences for the purposes of area denial can be expected to cause civilian loss excessive to any military gain. (Attacks designed to push all launch sites out of range of Sderot, for example, must still comply with the prohibition against disproportionate attacks.) Balancing civilian harm and military advantage is a subjective test that requires specific knowledge of the military advantage sought, but based on the facts available, Israel has not shown that the military advantage gained by the artillery fire outweighed the harm it caused to the lives and property of thousands of Palestinian civilians .

        Third, the failure of the IDF to investigate adequately almost all shelling incidents in which there was a loss of civilian life indicates a failure to take all feasible steps to minimize civilian casualties etc etc.

        —-
        That Palestinian militants violate international humanitarian law by firing rockets toward civilian population centers in Israel does not relieve Israel of its obligation to abide by the same law. Nor does the firing of rockets by armed groups from areas close to densely populated areas relieve Israel of its obligations not to launch indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks.

        Parties to an armed conflict must find the means and methods to conduct military operations in conformity with international humanitarian law, regardless of whether the other side commits violations of that law. While a number of factors contribute to the fear and hardship experienced by Israeli civilians in towns such as Sderot and by many Palestinians in northern Gaza, the deaths and injuries of civilians brought about by violations of IHL are inexcusable. Both Israeli and the Palestinian forces have an independent obligation to act immediately to bring their practices into conformity with IHL. Serious violations by one side cannot justify serious violations by the other.

    • talknic
      June 5, 2015, 1:33 am

      @ yonah fredman “If Mondoweiss claims the mantel of the war of ideas, what exactly should one think about this article about the resistance?”

      Ummm …. lemme see …. Oh, I know, it’s an article about the resistance from the horse’s mouth rather than the sh*te spewed out by Hasbarristers after having been put thru the Ziofier.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 11:55 am

        “If Mondoweiss claims the mantel…”

        Claims the “mantel” (sic)? That’s right, nobody will put a damper on Mondoweiss!

    • ritzl
      June 6, 2015, 4:53 am

      Yonah, by “paucity of ideas” d ok you mean stuff like propose 10-year hudnas, almost completely halting rocket attacks (numerous times, but most notably in summer 2008), and asking/begging for a seaport for exports to fuel desperation/violence-reducing live-and-let-live economic improvements, ending suicide bombing as a tactic?

      All of those were answered with merciless slaughter and/or derisive dismissal. Seems the “paucity” or lack of problem-solving skills/courage lies almost solely on the Israeli side. That’s about as self-evident as it can possibly be.

  10. michelle
    June 4, 2015, 6:37 pm

    .
    locked in a box
    not enough air water food shelter
    none to help free me
    if i stay i die like many of my family/friends
    if i try to free myself
    i will be called a terrorist
    i want to live
    what would you do
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  11. Bornajoo
    June 4, 2015, 6:59 pm

    First world and Jon S.

    Can you not see that Hamas and these other militant brigades are of your own making? You created them.

    35 years ago when I was in israel the word Hamas didn’t even exist. But what did exist was the occupation, the illegal settler enterprise and your disgusting treatment of the indigenous Palestinian people. It was so damned obvious then that your blatant agenda to steal all their land and create an apartheid state would lead to the situation we have today.

    And today you blame everything on these militants as if they’ve always been there. This is the reaction to your previous actions. Face facts, look in the mirror and stop deluding yourself. Your mental illness is extremely severe

  12. RoHa
    June 4, 2015, 7:30 pm

    “The occupation came to us, we didn’t go to it,”

    This is a point that should always be remembered. There was no Palestinian invasion to take over parts of Europe or the Americas. It was the Zionists who invaded Palestine and started the whole business.

    It is their willing successor who bear the greater part of the moral responsibility.

  13. CDWard
    June 4, 2015, 9:48 pm

    The Palestinians have every right to fight back against their oppressor, Israel.

  14. michelle
    June 5, 2015, 12:50 am

    .
    is fighting for life a choice
    he said he wants to live in peace
    he wants to watch his family grow
    he wants safety freedom and justice
    he never said he is living his dream
    he never said he wanted to be a soldier
    he never said he wanted to fight to kill
    .
    What does Israel/America/the world expect the Palestine people to do
    are they expected to lay down and die
    is that the goal of this oppression this terrorism
    .
    If Israel/America/the world were forced to exist as the Palestine people are
    what choices/actions would they make
    would they lay down and die to appease their oppressor their terrorists
    .
    it is a shame before G-d that the world is supporting/defending the abuser
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Marnie
      June 5, 2015, 3:43 am

      Lovely Michelle.

      Dan Cohen – thanks for your reporting and interview with these young men (and women?). Resistance fighters aren’t born, they are made by the brutality of a 70+ year pogrom against the indigenous people who had lived, prospered and thrived on the land they love so much. That’s something this freedom fighters are striving for, to live a normal life with dignity and without fear. Amen!

    • just
      June 5, 2015, 11:22 am

      Thank you, michelle.

      I found this yesterday @ EI. The photos and their stories are riveting, to say the very least.

      “Gaza’s grandparents endure one trauma after another”

      http://electronicintifada.net/content/gazas-grandparents-endure-one-trauma-after-another/14578

    • michelle
      June 13, 2015, 9:34 pm

      .
      ty Marnie & Just
      i hope your week has been good
      m
      .
      like the Mondoweiss articles your words inspire
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

      • just
        June 13, 2015, 9:38 pm

        I hope your week has been good as well, and that your weekend has some joy in store for you.

        You’re very kind, michelle.

  15. Jackdaw
    June 5, 2015, 1:20 am

    Well. Judging from the looks of this article, Dan Cohen and Mondoweiss are shilling for Hamas.

    We should be shocked, but we’re not.

    • Mooser
      June 5, 2015, 1:24 pm

      “We should be shocked, but we’re not.”

      Certainly Jackdaw, you will never be shocked enough to cease contributing to Mondo’s hit-count and unique-page-views count, and I’m sure they appreciate it, along with your comment archive. Loved that discussion about the re-po’ed Temple in Jerusalem.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 1:25 pm

        no smelling salts for jack!

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 3:35 pm

        Annie, I hate to say it, but I’m convinced Jackdaw and Hophmi and Yonah and the rest wouldn’t be half as disparaging or abusive if this was “MondoWitherspoon” or MondoWheaton” instead of Mondoweiss. Sad, isn’t it.

    • CigarGod
      June 5, 2015, 2:27 pm

      So, on your planet, shilling is defined as presenting rare and seldom heard…information from a mouth other than a zionist one.

      Do you practice your stuff in the Catskills, or do you just pick out your street corner and wing it?

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 2:29 pm

        lololol! Priceless, CigarGod!

    • talknic
      June 9, 2015, 5:42 am

      @ Jackdaw June 5, 2015, 1:20 am

      Well. Judging from the looks of this article, Dan Cohen and Mondoweiss are shilling for Hamas

      Can you point out how?

  16. Qualtrough
    June 5, 2015, 2:00 am

    What they need are effective anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons that make any Israeli incursion too costly. Until they have that they are just going to be cannon fodder. At some point soon the technological, cost, size, and availability will be such that they will have those weapons and that will change the ball game.

  17. bryan
    June 5, 2015, 3:42 am

    Two points:

    (1) Dan’s otherwise excellent article appears marred by some sloppiness: “a sharp increase from the 13 killed (ten of them by friendly fire) in 2008/2009”. The only figures I have ever seen for Israeli casualties in Operation Cast Lead are 13 dead, comprising 3 civilians and 10 military, 4 of whom were killed by friendly fire. If Dan wishes to revise this standard formulation then surely sources should be provided.

    (2) In all the discussions about the illegitimacy of using primitive home-made weapons there is seldom mention made that at an early stage in the conflict, before Israel was equipped with a modern arsenal of war by Czechoslovakia, France, the US and others, Israeli resistance fighters employed exactly equivalent primitive home-made terror weapons in order to destroy the morale of the “enemy”. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidka)

  18. NickJOCW
    June 5, 2015, 6:04 am

    Imagine a journalist obtained similar access to an Israeli military training area and was able to fly-on-the wall their preparations for the next onslaught on Gaza. To consider this issue objectively requires dispensing with abstract notions and looking only at the way the parties live, talk and act.

    OT but look at this from the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/05/ultra-orthodox-jewish-sect-belz-women-driver-ban-illegal-equality-commission

  19. Jackdaw
    June 5, 2015, 6:45 am

    The ‘useful idiots’ here need an occasion reality check.

    Hamas=Muslim Brotherhood, and the Brotherhood rests on two “key pillars.”

    They are: the introduction of the Islamic Sharia (way of life or principles) as the basis controlling the affairs of state and society, and working “to achieve unification among the Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism.”

    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=813

    Now please take a short break from your Israel hating and try to get your heads around what these two ‘key pillars’ really mean

    Take as much time as you need.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 5, 2015, 11:07 am

      get your heads around what these two ‘key pillars’ really mean

      calling all islamophobes!

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 11:12 am

        Bingo! If at first you don’t succeed, change the subject, divert, deflect, and make up stuff!

        lol, Annie.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 1:26 pm

        I would define a “useful idiot” as a person who abhors a certain website, but ceaselessly contributes to its hit-count and page-views.

        Jackdaw dislikes Mondo so much he’s always helping to raise the stats. Well, it’s useful.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 1:43 pm

        just, mooser, have you gotten a load of this crap yet: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/brigades-prepares-israeli/comment-page-1#comment-772286 (scroll up a tad). i think hasbara central is getting ahead of itself (perhaps the knowledge adelson will be stacking their coffers shortly they’ve already shifted their gears?) . they are going from diversion to incoherence. what to infer to the allegation i am associated to “the traumatized purity of the victim and the …violence of the oppressor ” or somehow “guilty”. no explanation of course, just ramblings.

        i wonder if this is a sign of what’s to come after the big powwow this weekend and the million dollar donation think fest in vegas.

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 2:02 pm

        I have, Annie. It is incoherence and noise. I read this from newbie Jbird earlier:

        “yes DS – commenters like Just and others use the word “hasbara” as some kind of incantation to absolve themselves of any guilt for anything … it is a concept that confirms their strict, manichean worldview.”

        Then I shook my head, rubbed my eyes, and decided to move on. Perhaps they are waiting for Papa Adelson to give them a shekel dump and firm instructions. Right now they are only circling around, trolling and muddying the waters while ‘using their words’.

        (Levy is spot-on:
        “Israeli propaganda isn’t fooling anyone – except Israelis
        ‘Hasbara’ is the Israeli euphemism for propaganda, and there are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not ‘hasbarable.’ One of them is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.”
        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.659480)

      • Bornajoo
        June 5, 2015, 2:07 pm

        Immense respect to you Annie. I have no idea how you find the energy and time to respond to these… (I’d better leave out that last word).

        Brainwashing gets in very deep.

        Thanks for posting the Gideon Levy article Just. He’s SPOT ON as usual.

      • catalan
        June 5, 2015, 3:17 pm

        “I would define a “useful idiot” as a person who abhors a certain website, but ceaselessly contributes to its hit-count and page-views” Mooser
        Likewise, since all publicity is good, the incessant critiquing of the NYT on this site actually increases its circulation.
        Casting the first stones and all…

      • Annie Robbins
        June 5, 2015, 3:33 pm

        since all publicity is good

        but it’s not. ask any pr person. besides, i am not concerned about their circulation, i’m concerned about how people read it. you can actually learn a lot from crappy hasbara-like reporting. you can find out what the government of israel wants you to think or be thinking about. especially when you hear and read the same themes repeated (incessantly) from hasbrats on comment boards.

        as far as increasing our traffic, yes it does..definitely. there’s lots of traffic to be had from scrutinizing the nyt.

      • catalan
        June 5, 2015, 4:05 pm

        If I owned a paper, I would want it to be as controversial as it can. That way people will talk about it and it will sell more. One of the things about communist party papers was they were so damn boring. Dialectical materialism, imperialism, we are winning, capitalism is rotting, endlessly, no humor, no controversy.
        It made people want to kill themselves from boredom.
        Now, there is plenty of that on this site too, sort of ideological palaver, a simple system, good guys, bad guys, etc. The psychology of that fascinates me and I think is at the heart of a lot of failings of our society. Meaning, my reaction to anything I read, is to look for the weak spots, contextualize it, imagine how a really smart person would argue with it. That’s how you improve things. But, most people like empty repetition of things that make them look good and others-bad.
        I actually like the NY Post much better than the Times. It’s funny, smart, irreverent. I wouldn’t put a penny in NYT stock, this type of paper is doomed.

  20. jon s
    June 5, 2015, 10:48 am

    Now that I’ve calmed down:

    This “report” is certainly one of the lowest depths that Mondoweiss has ever sunk to.

    To be clear: I think that the fact that the terrorists are rebuilding their arsenal and their tunnels and capabilities is news-worthy , and should be reported far and wide.
    Dan Cohen’s report , however, seeks to glorify these terrorists, who have tried to kill me and my family, my neighbors and friends. So, yes, I do hope that when they go out to launch their rockets, a drone will see them and take them out before they press the “launch ” button.

    As to Hamas’ strategy: is anyone here seriously claiming that they did NOT use hospitals, mosques, etc. for military (=terrorist) purposes?

    • oldgeezer
      June 5, 2015, 11:11 am

      I understand your wish. When Israel stops oppressing the Palestinians, stops stealing their land water and resources, stops depriving them of their rights and setting itself up as the arbiter of which rights they are allowed to have and, most importantly when Israel stops killing innocent men women and children wipong out entire families I might share your view.

      As long as Israel continues to behave as a terrorist state then it is your own government which carries the blame. Hamas did not exist until after Israel was perpetrating it’s crimes for decades and it is a response to those crimes. I do believe Hamas commits war crimes but the larger criminal is clearly Israel.

      • Shingo
        June 5, 2015, 6:31 pm

        +1

    • just
      June 5, 2015, 11:17 am

      +1, OG.

      jon s writes: “for military (=terrorist) purposes”

      There you go! So “military (=terrorist)”, does it? That goes for the IOF, too.

      (careful, language matters)

    • Annie Robbins
      June 5, 2015, 11:20 am

      jon, could you be more specific regarding your objections and copy/paste a passage that exemplifies what you mean by “seeks glorify” the resistance. ie, something like:

      “We in the al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades want to make sure that the Gaza Strip will never be defeated. The Gaza Strip is still strong and whenever the Israelis target us more, the resistance will grow stronger,” Abu Sayyaf explained. He continued, “They promised us to rebuild Gaza but we got used to these lies from the Arab regimes and also from the Israelis. But the Palestinian people will always be with the resistance and the resistance will always be with the people.”

      or if not that, some other passage you object to, specifically.

      who have tried to kill me and my family, my neighbors and friends.

      could you concede that there’s something worse than trying to kill your family, neighbors and friends? like actually killing them? not to dampen your pity party but palestinians suffer a much worse fate because of those same family, neighbors and friends — who have benefitted immensely from the spoils of palestine.

      Now that I’ve calmed down

      that’s a nice touch jon s, now that you’ve calmed down you’re going to try to shame us for publishing this excellent article. you didn’t have to calm down to do that. i’ll have to check but didn’t you already do that upthread? you’re frequently saying crap like this (we’ve sunk so low yada yada), so we don’t care if you’re calm or not. fire away, the redundancy is expected.

      • jon s
        June 8, 2015, 12:56 am

        Annie,
        I wrote that had calmed down because my initial reaction would have been more strongly worded.
        Are you saying that I totally misread this article, and that it does NOT portray the terrorists in a favourable way? I wish that was so.
        I was, indeed, shocked by this article. Being anti-Zionist should not necessarily mean being sympathetic to terrorists.

      • echinococcus
        June 8, 2015, 3:45 am

        Who is that Jon S criminal, living as an illegal invader on other people’s stolen land at the price of wars of aggression, ethnic cleansing and genocidal action, calling “terrorists”? Terrorism is the technique perfected by the Zionists; “terrorist” is the nonsense word used by the Nazis and the Zionists alike against the Resistance. It’s what was written on the labels of the hanged fighters of the Warsaw ghetto.

      • Kris
        June 8, 2015, 12:54 pm

        @jon s: “Being anti-Zionist should not necessarily mean being sympathetic to terrorists. ”

        What do you mean by “terrorist”? As you know, Israel was founded by terrorists who carried out ethnic cleansing and massacres. Yet these Jewish terrorists are still revered in Israel today.

        OTOH, below is some info about “terrorists” that the world now recognizes, and reveres, as resistance fighters. As a “history teacher,” please compare and contrast the labels of “terrorist” and “freedom fighter,” and explain the uses of labelling in propaganda.

        Resistance movements during World War II occurred in every occupied country by a variety of means, ranging from non-cooperation, disinformation and propaganda, to hiding crashed pilots and even to outright warfare and the recapturing of towns. In many countries, resistance movements were sometimes also referred to as The Underground.

        Among the most notable resistance movements were the Polish Resistance, including the Polish Home Army, Leśni, and the whole Polish Underground State; the Soviet partisans,[a], the Italian Resistenza led mainly by the Italian CLN; the French Resistance, Yugoslav Partisans, the Belgian Resistance, the Norwegian Resistance, the Greek Resistance and the Dutch Resistance.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_during_World_War_II

        And

        Immediately after the 1960 Sharpeville Massacre, the apartheid government imposed a state of emergency, which allowed it to apply a broad range of sanctions against its political opponents, such as detention without trial and banning meetings, and enabled the Special Branch to secretly detain and interrogate whomever it deemed a threat to the government, without due process.

        After the state of emergency was lifted, the new Minister of Justice, B.J. Vorster, introduced legislation that made many parts of the emergency regulations permanent (the Sabotage Act of 1962, and the 90-day Detention Act of 1963). Much of the Liberal party’s leadership was banned, detained or forced underground, rendering it impotent.[2]

        A number of young Liberals became increasingly frustrated, and, in 1960, formed the National Liberation Committee (NLC).[3] Initially focused on helping hunted people escape the country, the NLC progressed to sabotage government installations and services, explicitly eschewing violence against people. It launched its first operation in September 1963. From then, until July 1964, the NLC/ARM bombed power lines, railroad tracks and rolling stock, roads, bridges and other vulnerable infrastructure, without any civilian casualties. It aimed to turn the white population against the government by creating a situation that would result in capital flight and collapse of confidence in the country and its economy. It launched four attacks in 1961, three in 1962, eight in 1963, and ten in 1964.[4]

        In May 1964, the NLC was renamed the African Resistance Movement. The name change coincided with increased internal debate about the use of violence against people, i.e. guerrilla warfare.[5]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Resistance_Movement

      • eljay
        June 8, 2015, 1:09 pm

        || jon s: … Being anti-Zionist should not necessarily mean being sympathetic to terrorists. ||

        Agreed.

        But as you and your co-collectivists continue to demonstrate, being Zionist necessarily means:
        – supporting Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” and, to one degree or another, the associated (war) crimes; and
        – advocating “peace” but consistently and strenuously avoiding justice, accountability and equality.

    • Kris
      June 5, 2015, 11:31 am

      jon s: “these terrorists, who have tried to kill me and my family, my neighbors and friends.”

      Jon, you and your pals are on PALESTINIAN land. No one likes thieves, or has any sympathy for thieves who use their families as human shields as they carry out their crimes.

      If only you loved your families more than you love stealing Palestinian land and resources. What happened to not coveting what is your neighbor’s, didn’t Jews once think that God commanded that?

      • Kris
        June 5, 2015, 11:58 am

        @jon s: Now that you’ve calmed down, what are your thoughts on actions like this: “Israeli bulldozers enter Palestinian land east of Gaza City”, June 5, 2015 http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765781

        GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — Several Israeli bulldozers entered the Shujaiyeh neighborhood east of Gaza City Friday morning, crossing several meters into Palestinian land while searching the area, witnesses said.

        Israeli spokesperson for Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) did not have any information on the incident.

        Israeli forces enter the Gaza Strip on a near-daily basis in contravention of international law, with Israeli forces opening fire at civilians in the “buffer zone” on land and sea over ten times between May 26 and June 1, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

        The Shujaiyeh neighborhood is home to around 100,000 residents struggling to rebuild several months after the last war between Israel and Hamas over the summer.

        The neighborhood made international news after coming under heavy Israeli airstrikes and shelling in an onslaught Palestinians refer to as the Shujaiyeh massacre.

        At least 120 Palestinians were reported dead, many of which were civilians, with 13 Israeli soldiers also killed.

        What is the point of actions such as this? Just making sure the Palestinians don’t forget that they are trapped and powerless? Trying to provoke kids into throwing stones? What’s the deal here, jon?

      • jon s
        June 8, 2015, 1:12 am

        Kris,
        I don’t live on stolen land. I live in a home I purchased with my own money, and a mortgage that I’m still paying, on land that’s a part of my people’s historic homeland. That’s not to deny that it’s the Palestinian homeland, as well.
        My family and friends and neighbors have the right to live in peace, as do the Palestinians. How to achieve that goal- that’s the challenge.

      • CigarGod
        June 8, 2015, 8:43 am

        Not true or possible, jons.
        Peace cannot exist in inequality.
        Fight for Palestinian equality and you have a shot at it…in your lifetime.
        Zionist idea of peace is for others to accept inequality and stop fighting for it.

      • Froggy
        June 8, 2015, 8:53 am

        jon s : “I don’t live on stolen land. I live in a home I purchased with my own money, and a mortgage that I’m still paying, on land that’s a part of my people’s historic homeland. That’s not to deny that it’s the Palestinian homeland, as well.
        My family and friends and neighbors have the right to live in peace, as do the Palestinians. How to achieve that goal- that’s the challenge.”

        From whom did you buy that land and house? How did the previous owners get ownership of that property? Is that land you within the (non) borders or generally recognised borders of Israel, or in the lands annexed by Israel?

      • RoHa
        June 8, 2015, 1:35 am

        I’m going to guess that by “my people” you mean Jews. Why do you class Jews as “my”? What significance does “my” have? Do you also class Israelis, residents of Palestine, history teachers, or MW posters as “my people”? If not, why not?

        I do not ask these questions frivolously. I find the “my people” concept very difficult to grasp, and I suspect it is incoherent.

        If “my people’s historic homeland” implies that Jews have a right to live there, then does “Palestian homeland” imply that Palestinians have a right to live there?

        If so, the first step to your goal of everyone in the region living in peace is to stop supporting a system which denies Palestinians the right to live in Palestine. At a minimum, support Right of Return. Better yet, support one state in Palestine with equal rights for all.

      • echinococcus
        June 8, 2015, 1:52 am

        John S,
        Bullshit as usual. What you purchased may well not have been sold when the owner was chased away or massacred, or the purchase may have been forced. You didn’t check. You have no title to participate in the land’s sovereignty, except if you are the direct descendant of a Palestinian, even if Jewish. There is no historic homeland of anyone living today in that country, except Palestinians.
        None of the illegal Herrenrasse invaders of Palestine have the right to live in peace: they’ll have to buy that peace or clear out in a hurry. What’s the problem anyway? You can always come back here to exploit and exasperate us.
        So you teach? History? Zionist history, of course, and that’s why your products are such priceless morons.
        Anyway, don’t imagine that it will last forever –you acknowledge the first signs. The first of which is that there isn’t anyone smarter than you left on board to make propaganda for Zionism… Ah, only to think of the exquisitely equipped, smart, smartly indoctrinated, believable Zionist propagandists of yore… of course they were criminal shits to be put to the wall, but at least they were worth the discussion. They all left Zionism, now, to more or less paid, sad drudges.

      • eljay
        June 8, 2015, 7:25 am

        || jon s: I don’t live on stolen land. I live in a home … on land that’s a part of my people’s historic homeland. ||

        The geographic region comprising Mandate Palestine is the historic homeland of its indigenous population. It is not the historic homeland of foreign nationals who happen to be Jewish.

        Since 1948, the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel has been the historic homeland of Israelis, including non-Jewish refugees.

        || My family and friends and neighbors have the right to live in peace, as do the Palestinians. ||

        Always “peace”, but never justice, accountability and equality, even though the Palestinians – including those who are rightfully Israeli – are entitled to those things as well.

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 9:51 am

        @ jon s ” I live in a home I purchased with my own money, and a mortgage that I’m still paying”

        That’s real estate and if it isn’t within the proclaimed and only recognized extent of Israel’s sovereignty it isn’t in Israeli territory! So unless you’re a Palestinian citizen, you’d be an illegal settler.

        “, on land that’s a part of my people’s historic homeland”

        If it isn’t within the proclaimed and only recognized extent of Israel’s sovereignty it isn’t in Israeli territory!

        ” That’s not to deny that it’s the Palestinian homeland, as well”

        If you’re illegal settler scum living in non-Israeli territory in Palestine, you are denying them their homeland.

        “My family and friends and neighbors have the right to live in peace, as do the Palestinians. How to achieve that goal- that’s the challenge”

        Simple. If you, your family and your friends are Israeli, go live in Israel you stupid person

      • Kris
        June 8, 2015, 12:11 pm

        jon s, as a “history teacher,” maybe you encourage your students to read materials from web sites like this one, the Holocaust Teacher Resource Center. http://www.holocaust-trc.org/the-holocaust-education-program-resource-guide/lebensraum/#

        Could you please compare and contrast the behavior of Germany in seeking “lebensraum,” and Israel’s expansion since its inception, and then explain why you think you and your family deserve to live in peace on stolen land? From http://www.holocaust-trc.org/the-holocaust-education-program-resource-guide/lebensraum/#

        The main reason for the Nazi expansion into its neighboring western countries was built upon the principle of lebensraum. Even though it translates literally to mean only “living space,” lebensraum carried with it the desire for the Nazis to expand into other countries to provide living space for the growing German race.

        During this time, the “inferior” races, such as the Jews and Gypsies, who occupied the new Nazi territories, were stripped of their possessions, jobs, and “resettled” in ghettos or concentration camps. This helped break the people’s will, asserted the strong power of the Nazis, and gave direct benefits to the Nazi regime.

        When the Nazi Army successfully overtook and conquered the surrounding lands of France, Alsace, and Lorraine, the Reich immediately began its policy of racial restructuring. The German bureaucracy began by issuing orders for Jews in a particular town or city to submit an announcement of their possessions. This property was then gathered and confiscated, and the money was used directly by the bureaucracy.

        The Nazis basic intent was to make survival for the Jews more difficult and to create a loss of identity for the Jews. For the most part, the Nazis were successful in accomplishing their two goals as well as devastating the lives of the for letters stating that their jobs no longer existed or that their possessions were to be handed over to the German Reich. The Nazis occupying the towns asserted that the consequence of dissension was severe punishment or death.

        As the Jews were stripped of their belongings, they also were stripped of their purpose and their identity. By taking their positions at work, their personal possessions, and their money, the Nazis ensured a supreme hold on the Jewish population that allowed them to expand and exploit the Nazi’s power.

        After the possessions of the Jews were taken and sold, the Nazis continued their plans of “resettlement.” During World War II, 70,000 individuals were deported in France and the Alsace-Lorraine region with the help of the French government in power, 3,300 of which were Jews.

        Most of the deportees were shipped to concentration camps throughout Europe for slave labor or to be put to death. The Nazis maintained their clear purpose of cleansing Europe of the Jews, Gypsies, criminals, and foreign nationalists, and they carried these goals into the occupied territories for implementation. Through the goals of lebeusraum and “resettlement,” the Nazis tried to restructure the racial content of Europe and deeply scarred the lives of many Jews living in the occupied regions. The Nazis stripped away their lives and their identities in an effort to expand their own race at the expense and exploitation of the Jewish race.

    • Mooser
      June 5, 2015, 11:49 am

      “This “report” is certainly one of the lowest depths that Mondoweiss has ever sunk to.”

      You should report Mondoweiss! Sue! Stand outside the Mondoweiss Plaza with signs! It’s against the law, what the “jon s” saw, it’s against the law!

      But I have to ask, “Jon s”, is this article as bad as commenter “Danaa” missing two seders?

      • just
        June 5, 2015, 4:28 pm

        lololol, Mooser!

        “But I have to ask, “Jon s”, is this article as bad as commenter “Danaa” missing two seders?”

        This one makes him mad, the other makes him sad, iirc.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 5:31 pm

        “This one makes him mad, the other makes him sad, iirc.”

        Yes, he had a big sad, and he was able to divine that Danaa was left with “nothing but hate” for Judaism. Love for Judaism, of course, makes one glory in what was done to the Palestinians, and want to see a justification for it in every Jewish holiday.

      • jon s
        June 9, 2015, 3:39 pm

        RoHa,
        Regarding “my people”: Most people (maybe you’re the exception…) tend to identify themselves as part of a group- a tribe , nation, ethnic group, religion, class, political party, fan club, etc.- and it’s perfectly natural to be proud of the group you belong to. Of course you can belong to multiple groups, so, in answer to your question ,all the groups you mention can be considered “my people” in some way.
        I don’t know why you find the matter “incoherent”. Don’t you belong to a nation, ethnic group, religion, or any kind of collective?
        If you’ve read my comments, you should know that I’ve never denied the Palestinian’s right to live in their homeland, which is also my homeland.
        That’s the situation in a nutshell: two peoples, sharing the same homeland. And, in my opinion the only possible solution is partition, and two states.

      • jon s
        June 9, 2015, 3:47 pm

        Froggy,
        We purchased our home (apartment, to be precise) from a construction company, while it was being built, so noone lived here before. It’s within the “generally recognized borders” (as you put it) .
        You’re welcome to visit, see for yourself.

      • Froggy
        June 14, 2015, 12:01 am

        jon s :

        Who is it that recognises those borders? (I read that you live in a settlement.)

        Who owned the land before the construction company took it over? How did the construction company get hold of that land? Were the previous owners forced to sell out, or forced to leave that land against their will?

      • jon s
        June 9, 2015, 4:09 pm

        echinococcus,
        I’m sorry that I’m no match for your towering intellect. So please explain your comment in a way that even a dummy like me can understand.

        ” You have no title to participate in the land’s sovereignty, except if you are the direct descendant of a Palestinian, even if Jewish. There is no historic homeland of anyone living today in that country, except Palestinians. ”
        So who exactly are the Jews who are descendants of Palestinians, and thus qualify as Palestinians?
        And what do you mean by “there is no historic homeland…”? Are you denying the history?

      • echinococcus
        June 9, 2015, 4:16 pm

        John S, you really are the archetypal Zionist, totally unaware of how things work outside the Ziococcoon:

        Most people (maybe you’re the exception…) tend to identify themselves as part of a group –a tribe , nation, ethnic group, religion, class, political party, fan club, etc. and it’s perfectly natural to be proud of the group you belong to. Of course you can belong to multiple groups, so, in answer to your question ,all the groups you mention can be considered “my people” in some way.

        Fact is, outside your Ziococcoon, decent people sure do identify with different groups, some are even ridiculous in their “pride”, that is correct. I confess to frivolously taking pride in my belonging to an elite of checker players . Decent people have, however, an overriding identification with the human race: when confronted with injustice they try their best to be impartial, evaluate hard facts against myth, identify howling injustice and crime, and be more severe with their own. Not exactly what you are doing (hint: that’s what makes the likes of you into tribal yahoos.)

      • echinococcus
        June 9, 2015, 4:28 pm

        John S,

        Cognitive trouble, or Ziococcoon brain damage?

        So who exactly are the Jews who are descendants of Palestinians, and thus qualify as Palestinians?

        Stop intentional misquoting. It says, “direct descendant of a Palestinian, even if Jewish”. Meaning any Palestinian Jews, i.e. settled as an inhabitant of Palestine prior to the Zionist invasion; not part of the invasion.

        And what do you mean by “there is no historic homeland…”? Are you denying the history?

        No “homeland” (if you like that kind of nationalist statement”) of anyone, historic or currrent, except today’s pre-Zionism Palestinians’. Is that more precise? There can be no “historic homeland” in that strip open to all possible invasions (only the recorded ones total some fifty or so), including the rather short-lived one of the Hebrews (which seem to have scattered already before invading the Canaanites), except that of the people still living on that land –excluding fresh colonial invasions. All the rest is myth. And even if there were any “historic homeland status” of people living wide afar, an old Jewish proverb says that and a token will take you all the way to the Bronx.

      • talknic
        June 9, 2015, 6:07 pm

        @ jon s “We purchased our home (apartment, to be precise) from a construction company, while it was being built, so noone lived here before. “

        Irrelevant. You purchased real estate. If the real estate is in non-Israeli territory and you are Israeli, you may own the property, but if you’re an Israeli citizen, you’re are an illegal settler.

        You might apply for Palestinian citizenship AFTER hostilities are over (aka when there’s a Peace Treaty between Israel and Palestine), because it is NORMAL for entities at war to intern or expel possible allies of their enemies and if you carry arms, even a stone by Israeli standards, you can be killed as a belligerent. Alas the collateral might include your family. That’s why the UN adopted GC IV to protect all civilians including those of the Occupying Power by banning their entry into Occupied Territories, where the occupied have every right to armed resistance.

        I wish you and you family all the best, but if you’re an Israeli in non-Israeli territory and you continue to endanger your family, you are a f^&king idiot!

        “It’s within the “generally recognized borders” (as you put it)”

        Recognized by who? When was the territory legally annexed to Israel by agreement with the legitimate inhabitants, sans illegal Israeli settlers?

      • RoHa
        June 11, 2015, 1:52 am

        I suspect it is incoherent because of the vagueness of the concept and the multiplicity of the items that seem to be subsumed under it. Nor does it help when “my” is explained in another vague term, “identify”. In my experience, such vagueness often goes together with incoherence. However, I will say that I have not yet detected a formal self-contradiction in the concept.

        For me, the important, and critical, question is that of which duties one owes to the members of which group*. Firstly, I say that one has a duty of support to the society which supports one. In your case, that is Israel, and it means a duty towards all Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, equally.** Secondly, a duty to all the people controlled by that same polity. This means that your duty extends equally to the population of the West Bank. (Especially since the West Bank is, in large part, economically integrated with Israel.) Those are, I would say, primarily “your people”. And yet you seem use the term to refer to Jews in general, which excludes the non-Jewish Israelis and the non-Jews of the West bank, but includes a large bunch of foreigners. I cannot see any reason for this.

        “If you’ve read my comments, you should know that I’ve never denied the Palestinian’s right to live in their homeland, which is also my homeland.”

        And yet you advocate partition, which means that you deny both Palestinians and local Jews*** the right to live in any part of their “homeland”, and restrict each group to just part of it.

        (*Over and above general duties to humanity in general.
        **Though, considering the support Israel gets from the USA, you would seem to have a duty to Americans as well.
        *** I use the expression “local Jews” because I do not accept the idea that Jews from other parts of the world have a right to live in Palestine.)

    • Donald
      June 5, 2015, 11:54 am

      Jon s, if you want to talk about Hamas violations of the rules of war, then fine, but then you’ve got to stop making excuses for Israel’s much larger violations. Why did they target family homes, for instance? Is it really so important to kill one or two alleged Hamas people if entire families get wiped out? Would the same rule apply to Israel? I gather there are important military headquarters in Tel Aviv. If Hamas could aim its rockets within a several block radius, would it be okay for them to launch a few thousand (assuming they could do that as well) and destroy it, along with ten times as many civilian bystanders?

      Israel used howitzers in urban areas and again from what I’ve read, it’s impossible to aim howitzers very precisely, so they are inherently indiscriminate weapons.

      It’d be nice if you showed some indication that you’d read and absorbed some of the reports put out by human rights groups about both sides. And look at the numbers killed. Numbers matter.

      • Mooser
        June 5, 2015, 12:55 pm

        “I don’t think Israelis and Palestinians can have both peace and justice. We have to make a choice and ,yes, I prefer peace to any notion of perfect justice.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=peace#sthash.acqvuskx.dpuf “Jon s”

        “Unlike you , I think it’s up to the Palestinians. If they want an Islamic state, guided by Sharia, it’s their call, non of my business. So I’m not going to condemn- or support – whatever regime they install . What does concern me is how the Palestinian state will live in peace with Israel.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s?keyword=peace#sthash.acqvuskx.dpuf “Jon s”

      • jon s
        June 8, 2015, 1:37 am

        Donald,
        Yes, I’ve read reports, and I certainly will never condone deliberately targetting innocent civilians, by anyone.
        Among the reports I’ve seen recently is this one:

        https://www.amnesty.org/en/articles/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

        Note the use of a facility on the grounds of al-Shifa hospital as an interrogation-and-torture center by Hamas.

        And see Prof. Asa Kasher’s essay from last summer:
        http://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/1104/the-ethics-of-protective-edge/

        As to “numbers matter”: the terrorists launched thousands of rockets and mortars with the obvious intention of killing thousand of Israeli civilians. Are you saying that if they would have been more succesful -the moral balance would have changed? I can’t accept that.
        We all know why we had relatively few civilian casualties : we have an early-warning alarm system, we have shelters and “security rooms”, and we have “Iron Dome”. It’s not that the terrorists were not trying.

      • jon s
        June 11, 2015, 3:51 pm

        echinococcus,
        Could you be more precise? What do you mean by ” Meaning any Palestinian Jews, i.e. settled as an inhabitant of Palestine prior to the Zionist invasion; not part of the invasion. “? When did the “invasion ” begin? What’s the cut-off date? I’m assuming that you mean descendants of those fortunate Palestinian Jews, and not only people way over 100 years old…

      • echinococcus
        June 11, 2015, 4:58 pm

        John S, weren’t you supposed to be some kind of teacher –of history, no less, or was it Jewish history, in occupied Palestine?

        You want to know when the Zionist invasion of Palestine started. No kidding.
        Like, you can go on the Internet. Lots of sources. Also on the applicable laws on inheritance laws for either property or citizenship.
        Just pay attention to going on the World Wide Web, not the Zionist Delirium intranet.

        I suppose the Zionist schools hire you teachers without teaching them reading riting’n reckoning. Also shown by your quote marks around the word invasion.

    • Mooser
      June 5, 2015, 3:44 pm

      “Now that I’ve calmed down….”

      Oh, please, don’t do us any favors, stay angry, dershtikt zolstu veren!

      • jon s
        June 12, 2015, 2:25 am

        echinococcus,
        I put “invasion” in quotation marks because Jews immigrating to or living in their historic homeland are not invaders.
        You’re avoiding my question on when you consider the “invasion” to have begun. Maybe you simply haven’t thought it through, despite your intellectual supremacy, which I’ve already conceded.

      • Froggy
        June 12, 2015, 4:13 pm

        jon s : “… I put “invasion” in quotation marks because Jews immigrating to or living in their historic homeland are not invaders.”

        No, you’re just thieves.

      • echinococcus
        June 12, 2015, 3:13 am

        In that case, John S, I’ll have to scrape the charitable theory about the reason for your kooky delusions.
        Considering that fact that no matter how many times you have been informed in so many words about the rules in the world at large concerning “homeland”, invasion, sovereignty and land ownership, you have not deigned once to discuss this according to the rules of the regular (=non-Zionist) world, just repeating your insanity.
        So the conclusion must necessarily be that you are doing it not out of stupidity or emotional paralysis but knowingly, as a criminal against humanity.

      • just
        June 12, 2015, 4:34 pm

        +1, Froggy!

    • eljay
      June 5, 2015, 6:40 pm

      || jon s: … This “report” is certainly one of the lowest depths that Mondoweiss has ever sunk to. … ||

      And yet it doesn’t begin approach the depths you Zio-supremacists routinely sink* to in order to maintain, justify, excuse and defend Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” and the injustice, immorality and past and ON-GOING (war) crimes they comprise.
      ___________________
      *Correction: You don’t passively sink to those depths, you actively dive to them.

      • jon s
        June 12, 2015, 2:48 pm

        echinococcus,
        I note that once again, you’re avoiding my question. Maybe you haven’t thought it through, maybe you’ve realized that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
        I also note that you’re incapable of even spelling my name correctly. You keep adding an “h”, hechinococcus.

      • echinococcus
        June 12, 2015, 3:11 pm

        With all due respect, you can boil an egg.

    • ritzl
      June 6, 2015, 8:28 pm

      You live in a war zone of your own making, jon s. Own it and accept the consequences of taking someone else’s home for your own. Gosh, they want it back. Hoodathunkit!!

      AKA stop whining.

      BTW, you can easily emigrate to the US and protect your family from all the tribulations that come with living in someone else’s ill-gotten “house.” But then there’s laws about equal rights and such that you would have to obey here, so it may not be too terribly to your liking.

      • Mooser
        June 7, 2015, 6:25 pm

        ” But then there’s laws about equal rights and such that you would have to obey here, so it may not be too terribly to your liking.”

        It’s awful, and I might as well disillusion “Jon s” if he thinks the US is a paradise for Jews. First of all, they make you pay for stuff. Like land, or homes, or anything else which is normally stolen from Palestinians, has to be paid for here! Second, there’s no ‘Jewish Labor Service’ or Hidrustat, when you look for a job you have to compete with everybody else. Yes, “Jon s” even those people!
        And “Jon s” you have no idea how anti-semitic the US is when it comes to attacking people in the street. A Mom who took her child out for a healthy after noon of attacking Palestinian pedestrians might get thrown in the clink!
        And never forget the most important thing, “Jon s”! In Israel, of course, you are a Jew! In America, they deny our Jewishness! In America, due to the endemic anti-semitism, you would be just another person. You would receive no protection at all for being Jewish. Is that fair? Is that right?

      • echinococcus
        June 7, 2015, 11:00 pm

        I hate to disillusion you, Mooser, but it looks like you may have been out of the rat race for too long.

        What you’re saying there is about 2-3 centuries old:

        In America, due to the endemic anti-semitism, you would be just another person. You would receive no protection at all for being Jewish.

        od
        Those were the no-good old times of my childhood and youth, and I am old. Now, the US would never risk incurring the wrath of THE God by not treating Jews as fast-track, first-class citizens. Just look at how visas are given for one.

    • Shingo
      June 8, 2015, 2:23 am

      Note the use of a facility on the grounds of al-Shifa hospital as an interrogation-and-torture center by Hamas

      There is no reference any use of the facility by Hamas. Your link only mentions that one man collected the body of his brother from the al-Shifa hospital.

      There is no claim about Hamas using the hospital grounds for it’s operations.

      • jon s
        June 8, 2015, 4:36 am

        Shingo, on the link I provided, third paragraph from the bottom.

      • Shingo
        June 8, 2015, 5:11 am

        <blockq

      • Shingo
        June 8, 2015, 5:14 am

        Shingo, on the link I provided, third paragraph from the bottom.

        That still doesn’t prove anything. There is no claim that Hamas used those grounds to launch rockets at Israel, which was your original claim.

        As your link states:

        Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital

        Thus there is nothing in that statement supporting Israel’s and your claim that the al-Shifa hospital was used to attack Israel.

      • CigarGod
        June 8, 2015, 8:49 am

        Good job, Shingo.
        I have a hard time taking these guys worthy of serious engagement when virtually nothing they say or link pans out.

  21. casaananda
    June 5, 2015, 11:40 am

    In my view ANY military action planned or actual against the Israelis at this point is absolutely counter productive and absurd, not to mention it allows the assholes in Israel to bomb and kill anyone they please in Gaza and the West Bank, and the civilians are the one who suffer most. Israel would and will be on the ropes because of world opinion and isolation, AS LONG AS the Palestinians don’t do stupid things like provoke an attack by launching those idiot rockets from Gaza or anywhere. I say the same to Hizballah. Don’t let the Israelis do what they love most: butchery, by provocation. Let the world sort this mess out and it will, in time, because everyone with half a brain knows where justice lies.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 5, 2015, 1:16 pm

      ANY military action planned or actual against the Israelis at this point is absolutely counter productive and absurd…..AS LONG AS the Palestinians don’t do stupid things like provoke an attack

      you’re sending mixed messages. do you mean “ANY military action planned” or do you mean attacks that are provocations? and what would you suggest when israel invades the WB and carries out a mnth long pogrom against the palestinian people, including killing people in gaza and the WB and arresting hundreds of palestinians? roll over and play dead?

    • jon s
      June 8, 2015, 4:47 pm

      Shingo,
      In this comment I linked to a report about Hamas’ torture and execution of other Palestinians. That’s the subject of this specific report , so it shouldn’t be expected to include other issues , such as the Hamas’ firing from the hospital, which was witnessed and reported by other sources.
      Are you saying that people willing to use a hospital as a torture facility for alleged traitors would be reluctant use the same hospital for launching rockets at Israel?
      And do you have anything to say, any comment, on the matter itself, the use of a hospital in such a way?

      • oldgeezer
        June 8, 2015, 8:08 pm

        @jon s

        Torture is a war crime. As such carrying it out in any place is inappropriate

        Israel regularly uses torture. Are you suggesting that they carry it out in some place where it is moral to do so?

        Take the log out of your own eye first

      • Kris
        June 8, 2015, 8:49 pm

        jon s:

        Are you saying that people willing to use a hospital as a torture facility for alleged traitors would be reluctant use the same hospital for launching rockets at Israel?

        As oldgeezer points out, there is no “moral” venue for torture.

        Why are you using such an odd construction for your argument? What does it prove? You could also say,

        Are you saying that people willing to bake cookies would be reluctant to use the same oven to incinerate pet dogs?

        or, more convincingly,

        Are you saying that people willing to bulldoze people’s homes would be reluctant to use the same bulldozers to murder U.S. peace activists?

      • just
        June 8, 2015, 8:56 pm

        +1, oldgeezer & Kris!

  22. funsdead
    June 5, 2015, 1:38 pm

    Israel apologist are a cunning lot.

    resistance is glorified for time immortal except for the Palestinians.

    Hollywood resistance movies, from ww2, to the matrix, show resistance in
    a much different light than how they portray the Palestinians.

    stole a nation from Palestinians , they resist, blast them to pieces, blame them for
    the body count.

    bring up the past about how “we” were/are persecuted, steal a nation, cry anti semit ism,
    gives justification for more body bags.

    this is the biggest con job ever pulled over our eyes, and it keeps giving.

  23. Boo
    June 5, 2015, 1:58 pm

    As someone who has built and launched numerous “unguided rockets” (without warheads, of course) here in the US as a member of several amateur rocketry groups over the decades since the first one I launched in 1960, I have the following comment about unguided weapons:

    A stone, from the sling of a Palestinian teenager, is likewise an “unguided weapon” under the definition the Zionists in here have been touting.

    Is that teenager, then, likewise guilty of a war crime?

    I’d vote, emphatically, “NO”.

  24. a blah chick
    June 5, 2015, 3:01 pm

    I knew this article would hit a nerve with our resident Zionists because these are Palestinians one cannot ignore, ones that fight back.

    I don’t think there will be any meaningful movement on the Zionist side until a majority of them come to terms with what price they forced the Palestinians to pay for the creation of a Jewish homeland.

    • just
      June 5, 2015, 5:27 pm

      I’m sure that our “resident Zionists” approve of this! And they’d say: “the Palestinians better stay shut!”

      Gideon Levy, today:

      “This huge settlement will ‘turn Palestinian villages into a prison’

      Construction proceeds apace in the settlement of Leshem, creating yet one more ‘settlement bloc’ in the West Bank and bisecting it irrevocably.

      It’s full speed ahead at Leshem, in the northwestern part of the West Bank. While some people are still amusing – or deceiving – themselves by clinging to the idea of a two-state solution, and while every desperate Palestinian approach to an international organization of any kind is branded a “unilateral move” that violates signed agreements, Israel is building another mega-settlement in the heart of the West Bank at a rapid pace. But that’s not considered a unilateral move, no way.

      Dozens of cement “little boxes” are already occupied; hundreds more are under construction. While we were talking about other things, these uniform gray cubes sprang up and completed the malicious territorial continuity stretching from the coastal plain to the urban settlement of Ariel, and from there to Tapuah Junction, Ma’aleh Ephraim and the Jordan Valley – a clear, straight line that bisects the West Bank.

      Another spanner in the works of the last, feeble chance of ever establishing a Palestinian state.

      In a short time, when construction in this settlement is completed and another few thousand settlers move into its 600 dwellings, and when Ariel and its satellite communities are also recognized as a “settlement bloc” – unilaterally declared to lie within the Israeli consensus and as such never to be evacuated – Israel will be able to congratulate itself on a job well done: the abortion of the unborn state of Palestine.

      Welcome to Leshem. One’s impression on approaching the vast building site is that a metropolis is under construction: dozens of intimidating bulldozers, Israel’s modern-day chariots, rolling across the ground on wheels and steel chains, creating an earsplitting din, raising columns of dirt and dust – digging, slashing, drilling, crushing, leveling and wounding the hill that will also become a settlement. …

      Dirt roads lead to the construction site, next to which the first Leshemites are already living. Their children are already frolicking in the new playground, splashes of color in a sea of gray. When these children grow up, no one will be talking to them about a Palestinian state or about settlements. No one will ever tell them their settlement was built on stolen Palestinian land, with the aim of sabotaging the last prospect of a political solution. They will grow up in a national-religious community in homes with four exposures, advanced solar-heating systems, all superbly planned and designed, in what will be considered the center of the country, not far from the forgotten Green Line. Why, there’s Tel Aviv on the horizon, and Ben-Gurion airport, too. …

      But today the signs lead you to Leshem, not to Alei Zahav or any sort of mere neighborhood. This settlement is being built by private entrepreneurs, the road leading to it lies on privately owned Palestinian land, and though the High Court of Justice intervened momentarily, construction went on unimpeded.

      Next to Leshem are the splendid antiquities of Deir Samaan, a convent dating from Roman times and throgh the Byzantine era. There aren’t many archaeological sites as impressive and as neglected as this one. It has everything: cisterns and huge mosaic floors, olive presses and flour mills, a sun clock, a trough for horses, ruins of a church and subterranean water systems, stone domes and marble pillars strewn on the ground – the remains of a wondrous ancient way of life.

      Moldy green water fills the cisterns and ancient pools, and the whole site is debased by the sooty remains of barbecues, plastic bottles, empty cans of preserves and other garbage left by people who love this land.

      The property adjacent to the construction site, including the archaeological ruins, belonged to Fars a-Dik. A lecturer in political science at American University in Jenin, he’s 35, single and works for an NGO involved in developing public-health policy. …

      A-Dik likens the construction of Leshem to a finger that Israel is poking into the heart of the West Bank in order to break it apart.

      “The Israelis want to unify all the settlements in the area into one unit,” he says, “and turn the Palestinian villages between them into a vast prison, to which Israel has the key. If Israel wants, it will open up and allow us access to our land, and if not, it won’t. It’s more likely that it won’t. Kufr a-Dik will turn from a village into a camp, because there’s nowhere left to build in it. When [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu and [Palestinian President Mahmoud] Abbas talk about a territorial swap, it’s my land they’re talking about.”

      But a-Dik knows that even the talk about land swaps is now no more than idle prattle.

      He has a friend in England who recently visited him in his village, for the first time in five years. He couldn’t believe his eyes.”

      much more heartbreak @ http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/twilight-zone/.premium-1.659551

      • bintbiba
        June 6, 2015, 4:57 am

        Just, Thank you for making this article by the wonderful Gideon Levy available for all to read !

        Will the heartbreak ever end ?

    • ritzl
      June 6, 2015, 5:22 am

      The circle of total absurdity becomes nearly complete when they, seemingly unknowingly (but I’m not so sure anymore), endlessly celebrate and glorify the notion that Israel means “Jews now fight back.” They tout fighting back is a prime virtue, incessantly. Incessantly enough that if any of ’em were in possession of the slightest bit of micro-sincerity, the epiphanies would volcanic.

      To live with, and deny, so much internal and external repression must really wither and consume one’s soul.

      Great comment, a blah chick. Revelatory.

    • Mooser
      June 8, 2015, 11:17 am

      “I don’t think there will be any meaningful movement on the Zionist side until a majority of them come to terms with what price they forced the Palestinians to pay for the creation of a Jewish homeland.”

      Okay, let’s imagine for a moment that the worst comes to pass, and Zionism is sucessful in eliminating the Palestinians as any kind of a polity which can interfere with Zionist plans.
      And that will be the big accomplishment that us Jews will run on for the next hundred years? Whoopee! I can just hear it: “Remember, Jewish children, hold your heads up high, you are the destroyers of the Palestinians! The world owes you for that!”
      Our claim to fame will be eradicating an innocent people. frum, frum, frum!

  25. JLewisDickerson
    June 5, 2015, 5:56 pm

    Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! Gaza has a right to defend itself! [CONTINUED AD NAUSEAM]

    • just
      June 5, 2015, 6:02 pm

      +100000, John!

      And~ Gaza and all Palestinians have the same and equal right to the SECURITY that Israel demands!!!!!

    • ritzl
      June 6, 2015, 5:28 am

      BRILLIANTLY STATED, JLD!

  26. just
    June 5, 2015, 8:34 pm

    “UN report condemns Israel as violator of children’s rights over Gaza conflict

    Secretary-General to decided whether Israel will be included on final list of violators of children’s rights due to the large number of children killed in the war in Gaza last summer.

    …Whether to include the Jewish state is a politically charged issue for Israel and the United States. Some U.S. lawmakers have spoken out on the issue and Republican presidential hopeful Senator Ted Cruz wrote to Ban about it this week.

    UN diplomatic sources told Reuters that Israel has lobbied hard against its inclusion and that Ban was leaning against including Israel. Diplomats said U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power had urged Ban not to list Israel.

    The draft report has strong language on alleged violations of children’s rights in the Gaza war.

    It specified what it said were unlawful deaths and injuries of Palestinian children caused by Israeli forces, detention of Palestinian children and attacks on schools. It said more information was needed on the question of recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups.

    UN diplomatic sources told Reuters that Israel has lobbied hard against its inclusion and that Ban was leaning against including Israel. Diplomats said U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power had urged Ban not to list Israel.

    The draft report has strong language on alleged violations of children’s rights in the Gaza war.

    It specified what it said were unlawful deaths and injuries of Palestinian children caused by Israeli forces, detention of Palestinian children and attacks on schools. It said more information was needed on the question of recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups. …

    While Zerrougui’s report was being prepared, diplomatic sources told Reuters UN agency chiefs had felt pressured by Israel not to support including the Israeli army. Israel has said it should not be listed but denied pressuring anyone.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.659877?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Anyone have an extra sick bag? Don’t these people have children that are safe and snug at home~ not blown to pieces, maimed, suffering even now with continuous traumatic stress disorder, etc.?

    • ritzl
      June 6, 2015, 5:26 am

      Critical mass approacheth.

    • Kay24
      June 6, 2015, 8:26 am

      Only God’s chosen have the right to have their children safe and snug in their homes (some stolen land), the children of Arabs (called little snakes by Shaked) have no rights, no freedom, can be kidnapped and thrown in stinking Israeli jails, and killed by the latest Israel or American weapons at the will of the zionists. This is reality. The UN report will lead to nothing. The US will block even a resolution condemning the murderers.

  27. Kay24
    June 6, 2015, 7:38 am

    This is interesting. I wonder what this is all about:

    “Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence meets Obama aides in Washington
    Left-wing nonprofit met with White House National Security Council and State Department’s human-rights bureau to discuss Israeli soldiers’ testimonies from last summer’s war in Gaza.

    Senior White House officials met this week with members of the left-wing NGO Breaking the Silence. The meeting, the first of its kind, dealt with testimonies that the organization had collected on alleged human-rights violations by the Israel Defense Forces during last summer’s war in Gaza. The meetings were…”

    From Haaretz

    Is it simply a good cop act?

    • Bornajoo
      June 6, 2015, 7:54 am

      “Is it simply a good cop act?”

      Unfortunately we have to assume that everything is a good cop act Kay. Until something actually translates into something real and tangible it’s not worth getting excited about anything, in my opinion.

      Sorry about my cynicism. That’s what happens after 30 + years of deception and disappointment!

      As for Obama, he had me fooled. I don’t believe he’ll withdraw the veto, even after all his agonising overtures in recent interviews . I think he’s making these statements now to try and add some legitimacy to his legacy. Just so he can say he tried, but his hands were tied and refer historians back to these interviews he’s giving now near the end of his term

      When I see real action then I’ll believe it and I’ll be more than delighted to eat my words!

      • Kay24
        June 6, 2015, 8:21 am

        I agree Bornajoo, actions speak louder than words, and we are sick of hearing the same hollow words, while nothing is done to help the Palestinians. We seem to be always helping the wrong side these days!

      • CigarGod
        June 6, 2015, 8:57 am

        That seems like such a thin calculation to refer to or to rely on. Tho…no thinner than all the hope stuff we are offered as substance.

    • a blah chick
      June 6, 2015, 9:49 am

      “Is it simply a good cop act?”

      At first I thought this meeting was just an attempt to poke Butcher Bibi in the eye. His new Injustice Minister “Little Snakes” Shaked, is taking aim at lefty NGO’s (including BTS) and this could be a way to show such entities unofficial support. Yet the more I thought about it I wondered at the timing, coming as it was within days of Crazy Uncle Sheldon’s confab in Sin City. Since AIPAC and JStreet are not attending hosting BTS is a good way to encourage the saner American Zionists to distance themselves from them. Also it wouldn’t surprise me if people from JStreet and their ilk were involved in setting up or encouraging this meeting. I’m sure they realize that if there is any chance of stopping or slowing the BDS movement it won’t come from denying obvious human rights abuses (especially when they are recounted by Jewish Israeli vets) or from abusing university students.

  28. Annie Robbins
    June 6, 2015, 2:12 pm

    excuse me if this has already been posted. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33034249 Egypt takes hamas off terror list

    Egypt’s appeals court has overturned a ruling that listed the Palestinian militant group Hamas as a terrorist organisation, court officials say.
    One of them told AFP news agency the ruling in February was quashed because the lower court was not “competent” to make such verdicts.
    Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, welcomed Saturday’s ruling.

    Hamas said the appeals ruling was “correcting a previous mistake”.
    Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters news agency: “The decision today represents a commitment by Cairo to its strong role towards the Palestinian cause.
    “There is no doubt that [it] will have positive results and impacts on the relation between Hamas and Cairo.”

    • just
      June 6, 2015, 2:15 pm

      Super news! Finally.

      Thanks, Annie!

    • CigarGod
      June 6, 2015, 9:03 pm

      It is very nice to see/hear posts of Palestinians, here on MW. I know the harsbara team is unhappy about it. But, people who do a lot of talking/listening, end up learning from each other, respecting each other…and pretty soon…forget where they left their guns.

    • Walid
      June 6, 2015, 9:38 pm

      Don’t break out the champagne just yet, Egypt still has a long way to prove its goodwill towards Palestinians. Last week, Asa’ad Abu Khalil put Egypt’s contemptuous relationship with the lesser people into perspective: In the last 6 months, Egypt has allowed the crossing at Rafah to open for a grand total of 7 days.

      • Shingo
        June 7, 2015, 1:20 am

        I agree with Walid.

        If the Rafah crossing opens more permanently, there will undoubtedly be a “terrorist attack” by unidentified militants – clearly not in Hamas’s interests – and Egypt will be forced to close it again.

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 10:02 am

        @ Walid “: In the last 6 months, Egypt has allowed the crossing at Rafah to open for a grand total of 7 days

        Understand this:

        Israel is the Occupying Power over Gaza. Egypt is not.

        As the Occupying Power, Israel determines whether the borders should be open or closed on Occupied Territories and Egypt must comply under the 2005 agreement and the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty.

      • Walid
        June 8, 2015, 10:38 am

        “Egypt must comply under the 2005 agreement and the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty.” (talknic)

        Talknic, in the ME, no one does anything because some law or other such as a peace treaty says it must; Egypt simply doesn’t want the American aid tap to be shut to it. Jordan, another beggar state is in the same predicament.

        How to explain Hamas being taken off the Egyptian list of terrorist organizations?

      • talknic
        June 8, 2015, 11:36 am

        @ Walid

        “Talknic, in the ME, no one does anything because some law or other such as a peace treaty says it must; Egypt simply doesn’t want the American aid tap to be shut to it. Jordan, another beggar state is in the same predicament.”

        If they break the treaty they lose their aid :-)

        BTW The lack of UNSC resolutions condemning the Arab states in respect to Question of Palestine indicted that the Arab states have adhered to International Law and the UN Charter and the basis of their arguments on that question have always been legal, not religion or hatred of Jews

        “How to explain Hamas being taken off the Egyptian list of terrorist organizations?”

        They’re not on anyone’s list by dint of any law or treaty. Australia for example only has the Hamas military wing on its list

  29. jon s
    June 9, 2015, 3:30 am

    The Hamas military wing is still on Egypt’s list of terror organizations.
    The explanation I’ve seen has to do with the appearance of ISIS-affiliated cells in Gaza, who have recently launched several rockets at Israel. Strange as it may sound, Hamas, Egypt and Israel may have to cooperate against ISIS.

    • Shingo
      June 9, 2015, 3:34 am

      Strange as it may sound, Hamas, Egypt and Israel may have to cooperate against ISIS.

      That’s not strange at all. Hamas have send messages to Israel to insist they do not want war and that the recent attacks are an attempt by ISIS to start one.

      Netanyahu has rejected these overtures and insists that Hamas will be held accountable for any rockets fired from Gaza.

      • echinococcus
        June 9, 2015, 4:23 am

        Well of course. Given that Daesh/ISIS is a good Israeli ally, indebted to Israel for air cover, other military help, equipment and medical assistance, etc. of course it wouldn’t refuse an order to shoot rockets from Gaza.
        By the way, isn’t it passing strange that with all the fanfare around mass executions of heretics and infidels, not a peep has yet been heard from or a finger lifted by Daesh against the Satan of Satans Israel? Miracle?

    • echinococcus
      June 9, 2015, 4:05 pm

      I like that “Egypt’s list of terror [sic] organizations”.
      So the murderous military dictatorship, a major terrorist organization itself, albeit less murderous than the Zionist terrorism machine, issues a list of “terror[ist] organizations”. Fine. As meaningful in itself as the Israeli or the WWII German state calling Resistants “terrorists”.

      Anyway, executing the collaborationist spies is an imperative for any Resistance organizations. We have seen that under German occupation in WWII, in Norway and Holland and France and Belgium and Italy and Greece and Albania and Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union and Poland and Czechoslovakia and… i.e. more than well-documented enough: any Resistance organization that neglected taking care of the collaborators was pitilessly eliminated by the Nazis.
      No doubt Hamas and other Resistance organizations (except the Zionist puppet PA, whose police has the job of fighting against the Resistance) must observe all niceties as afar as possible in identifying and judging and convicting and executing the collaborators when doing so is possible without incurring mortal risks, but that is often not feasible considering the degree of information and efficiency of the Zionist murder machine.

  30. marv
    June 12, 2015, 12:01 pm

    I would like to submit that this article is unethical and should be taken down. As you can see from the comments, it sparks ‘questions’ – between the mostly english speaking ‘Western’ readers – that it may better leave unasked. While I agree with the comments and even the general theme of Cohen’s article that resistance fighters have a right to violent resistance – to any means necessarily – for the world, the image Gaza is of these men, anonymous, holding rocket launchers and ak-47. For Palestinians, images like this may be inspiring – to remember that the resistance lives on. But for white/western readers, this is THE symbol of terror, it is the symbol of Israel’s Right to Security. The analysis is totally lacking, he writes “though Israel escaped almost unscathed in Operation Cast Lead in 2008/2009 and in Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012, resistance fighters killed 66 soldiers during last summer’s fighting.” But why did they send ground forces in to begin with? Is it not fairly likely that Israel intentionally sent them in in order to accrue at least a few casualties so that they could air funerals on state tv etc… To ignore these kinds of details is to miss the asymmetrical dynamics of colonialism and occupation. If Palestinians want to herald those deaths as victories that is there prerogative. But journalism needs to remain committed to ethical principles when it comes to things like Palestine.
    This is not to say that these resistance fighters are totally ineffectual, it’s about a message that is being portrayed to the World. These images are precisely what one thinks about when we think about Gaza – they’re the ones widely circulated by the Israeli government and by Zionist groups. If this were an Arabic language site, and its readership was by and large Palestinian then it might make sense to feature loci of resistant of this sort – it’s potentially empowering to see Guerrilla fighters holding strong to your cause. But this is an english language publication, Cohen writes exclusively in English, and its readership is by and large people from english speaking countries. Mondoweiss doesn’t publish articles on things like ‘Rabbi stabbed in Jerusalem by Palestinian’ AND FOR GOOD REASON. Because that kind of reporting provides fodder for zionists, no matter the ‘analysis’ that looks to historicize or contextual these attacks. Colonial rhetoric works always to de-contextual, always to ‘abstract’ and thus to be able to point fingers. Ethical journalism has to be about what and how we approach issues likes. For me at least, this sort of article is well beyond the purview of Cohen, and probably of Mondoweiss as a whole.

    Again, on ethical grounds, from someone who is involved in the BDS campaign, who has spent time in Palestine and who is committed to its liberation, I implore the editors of Mondoweiss to take down this article.

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