Israeli President Reuven Rivlin calls for removal of Israeli flag

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Israeli President Reuven Rivlin announced today that he was removing the Israeli flag from his presidential residence in Jerusalem as an acknowledgment of the more than 500 children killed by Israel in Gaza a year ago.

“When Palestinians see that flag they see the symbol painted on tanks and fighter planes that caused such incredible suffering to their families and community,” Rivlin said. “On matters of oppression, Israel has had a tough history; we all know that. Many of us have seen it in our lives, in the lives of our parents and grandparents. We don’t need reminders. It is time for the flag to come down and go into a museum.”

The president then went to the flag pole at his residence and lowered the flag.

“For those who wish to respect the flag on private property, no one will stand in your way. But government buildings are different. The events this past year call on us to look at this in a different way,” Rivlin said.

Rivlin added that the decision was a difficult one for him. “I grew up cherishing this flag. It is part of who we are. And many of us love it. But we cannot call ourselves a community so long as it flies over government offices. It is obnoxious to others, a painful reminder to Palestinians that they are second-class citizens and less under the power of the Jewish state.”

The Israeli flag flying over Israeli settlements in the West Bank (Photo: Reuters)

The Israeli flag flying over Israeli settlements in the West Bank (Photo: Reuters)

The Israeli flag bears a Star of David in the center, a symbol that became precious to Jews in the last two centuries. Palestinians say that the flag demonstrates that non-Jewish communities do not count in Israel, and that there is no separation of church and state in Israel, a standard measure of democracy.

Rivlin’s decision was largely symbolic. But he called on other Israeli officials to follow suit and for designers and artists to come up with a more inclusive flag for Israel. He said his own concept was a large blue equal sign between the two blue stripes that are already on the flag. “Equality is a universal value. Everyone recognizes the equal sign everywhere in the world. Such a flag would say that all are equal between the river and the sea.”

The president’s decision was met with derision and anger inside Israel but was hailed by leaders around the world. It took US presidential candidates by surprise though. Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush said it was none of their business what flag Israel flies. The decision was criticized, then cheered, by South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham.

“We are not going to allow this symbol to divide us along longer,” Rivlin concluded. “The fact that it causes so [much] pain is enough to move it from government grounds. It is, after all, a government that [should] belong to all of us.”

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78 Responses

  1. Balfour
    June 23, 2015, 11:43 am

    Andy Borowitz would be proud!

    • Giles
      June 23, 2015, 12:36 pm

      This is satire, no?

      • ldq1997
        June 27, 2015, 3:48 pm

        This story is preceded with the sentence :

        [This story is a thought experiment, from an alternative reality]

        Whast does that mean? That it is not news? What is a thought experiment? What is an alternative reality? It does seem, however, that a story about the removal of the Israeli flag from anywhere in Israel, especially Jerusalem, must indeed be a thought experiment from an alternative reality.

  2. CitizenC
    June 23, 2015, 12:29 pm

    No, Andy Borowitz would decline to write such a piece if he ever had the thought. And the New Yorker would almost certainly decline to print it.

  3. nettee
    June 23, 2015, 12:47 pm

    Many many moons ago I spent one night under this mans roof!

    The year was 1976 and I befriended his daughter who was serving in the same IDF office as I was.
    I was a ‘lone-soldier’ and it was a lovely gesture to have me spend some time in someones home and enjoy a home prepared meal.
    I just remember the dad going off to work in the morning!
    Anyway I think this is a really incredible gesture.
    All the swivel-eyed loony settlers and other assorted wrong -thinking people must be gnashing their teeth-‘HOW VERY DARE HE!’
    Kol Hakavod!

  4. just
    June 23, 2015, 1:01 pm

    Well done, gentlemen.

    Never gonna happen. It’s more like this:

    • Kathleen
      June 24, 2015, 12:39 pm

      Heston appeared in West Virginia, Ohio on the guns issue numerous times in 2000 etc. Moses carrying a gun for freedom. Yikes

  5. Mooser
    June 23, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Weeell, it does sorta occur to me, in moments of dyspepsia, that the old Star-of-David may not end up being one of the world’s most beloved symbols. Just one of those wildly pessimistic thoughts I get sometimes.

  6. David Samel
    June 23, 2015, 1:36 pm

    Interesting choice of Rivlin rather than Netanyahu for this thought experiment. Rivlin is much more unpredictable and capable of occasionally saying something in this spirit, though this gesture would be far too “outrageous.”

    Great job, guys, though don’t be surprised if you fool some people despite the disclaimer at the beginning which is easy to miss. I think it fooled nettee for one. I missed the disclaimer at first and thought “this is insane” when I was reading it; I had to search afterward for an indication of satire. The headline in the home page where we click contains no such indication.

    • nettee
      June 23, 2015, 2:25 pm

      Oh boy-I’ve been had.
      It’s not real,is it!

      Silly me.
      Note to self:READ THE SMALL PRINT!

      I’ll get my coat…..

    • nettee
      June 23, 2015, 2:28 pm

      Oh boy-I’ve been had.
      It’s not real,is it!

      Silly me.

    • Shmuel
      June 23, 2015, 4:15 pm

      Interesting choice of Rivlin rather than Netanyahu for this thought experiment. Rivlin is much more unpredictable and capable of occasionally saying something in this spirit, though this gesture would be far too “outrageous.”

      Actually, I think Rivlin was a poor choice — precisely because of his false liberal image. The experiment gives credence to his “Betar-majesty” Herrenvolk sham. Better Netanyahu.

    • WH
      June 23, 2015, 4:59 pm

      Rivlin is exactly the right man to choose, because he’s made a few such symbolic gestures in the last year to address inequality and past (not so much present) violence against Palestinians, but they ultimately remain just that – gestures.

      • Shmuel
        June 23, 2015, 5:59 pm

        Rivlin is exactly the right man to choose, because he’s made a few such symbolic gestures in the last year to address inequality

        Like eulogising the racist murderer Moshe Levinger? Or insulting the intelligence of Palestinian Israelis while “apologising” to them (“I hereby swear, in my name and that of all our descendants, we will never act against the principle of equal rights, and we will never try and force someone from our land”) and insinuating that they were all terrorists or terrorist sympathisers? Chauvinism with a smile.

      • just
        June 23, 2015, 6:12 pm

        +1, Shmuel!

      • WH
        June 24, 2015, 2:35 am

        Yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking of – apologising for Kfar Kassim, making a video with a Palestinian boy, then paying homage to the murderous rabbi.

  7. eljay
    June 23, 2015, 1:52 pm

    The following is a thought experiment …

    Well done!

  8. just
    June 23, 2015, 3:56 pm

    Wonder if Rivlin would consider issuing the same color license plates for all, and remove the flag from them. You know, since he’s in such a reflective mood and all.

    “Virginia to remove Confederate flag from all state-issued license plates

    Governor Terry McAuliffe calls symbol ‘divisive and hurtful’
    Move follows South Carolina’s decision to take down flag from state capitol”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/23/virginia-remove-confederate-flag-license-plates

    PS~ it’s only on requested plates now…

  9. JLewisDickerson
    June 23, 2015, 7:18 pm

    RE: “Israeli President Reuven Rivlin calls for removal of Israeli flag”

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT: “Hitler was essentially a humorless man.” ~ William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
    SOURCE – http://www.american-buddha.com/lit.riseandfallthirdreich.4.22.htm

    P.S. REFERENCE: Does Israel have a toxic personality? – http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/israel-personality-michael

  10. DaBakr
    June 23, 2015, 7:31 pm

    by PW ‘logic’ the Black folks who were enslaved before 1864 should be horrified and insulted by the English flag and the stars and stripes. nation, etc and it is insulting to many who’s ancestors gave their lives. If it was simply ‘insulting’ it wouldn’t be enough to remove. Its that it represents a defeated cause. Israel is not a defeated nation nor a cause no matter how much commenters here wish, pretend or dream it so.

    perhaps in the future….but not now

    • catporn
      June 24, 2015, 7:46 am

      By English flag I assume you mean the Union Jack and not the St George’s Cross. Both of them are potent symbols for Neo-Nazi’s and other assorted racist scum here. For nearly 400 years they’ve both represented global subjugation, genocide and White Might over ‘uncivilized’ peoples everywhere.
      As recently as 1968 the indigenous people of Australia were still categorized as flora and fauna, that same year the depopulation of the Brown inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago began and continued with barley a squeak from the press for 5 years. But there’s no need to look backwards to see Britain’s chauvinist legacy, its all around us, do you think Israel would have the same support if the ‘chosen tribe’ were all sub-Saharan Africans?
      Take those flags, burn them, they’re equal to the Swastika in my eyes and I’d be glad to never have to see them again.

      • CigarGod
        June 24, 2015, 9:30 am

        Good example of the thinking Phil was hoping to inspire.

      • diasp0ra
        June 24, 2015, 9:52 am

        +1. To think otherwise would be hypocrisy.

      • RockyMissouri
        June 24, 2015, 11:24 am

        THANK YOU!

  11. hophmi
    June 23, 2015, 8:39 pm

    Try the same thought experiment with the American flag, which is doubtless painful for many people to look at. Or any number of flags around the world where this silly thought would apply, since a flag might make some people unhappy.

    • Marnie
      June 24, 2015, 12:19 am

      Please do. Flags are stupid!

    • talknic
      June 24, 2015, 12:50 am

      Why hophmi? Is the USA in the Middle East? (at the top of the page “The War of Ideas in the Middle East”)

      But let me guess what you mean….

      Were people to be critical of the US and/or other states, Israel would suddenly withdraw to its legal borders, resettle all its illegal settled Israeli citizens back in Israeli territory, pay reparations for 67 years of dispossession and the exploitation of non-Israel resources and suddenly to everyone’s amazement begin to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter …. right?

      Or maybe you mean if those other states had not also committed atrocities, Israel would never have had troops in non-Israeli territory for 67 years, would never have dispossessed anyone, would never had been in breach of International Law and the UN Charter and would be living in peace within its proclaimed and ONLY recognized borders …. right?

      Are you really so stupid you actually believe your what-aboutery will make the grade here?

      • justicewillprevail
        June 24, 2015, 5:45 am

        “Are you really so stupid you actually believe your what-aboutery will make the grade here? ”

        Yes

      • hophmi
        June 24, 2015, 10:19 am

        “Why hophmi? Is the USA in the Middle East?”

        Um, yeah. They are. All over the place. Fifth Fleet and all that. Iraq War.

        “Are you really so stupid you actually believe your what-aboutery will make the grade here?”

        Are you really so stupid to think that this flag argument passes the laugh test?

    • eljay
      June 24, 2015, 7:35 am

      || hophmi: Try the same thought experiment with the American flag, which is doubtless painful for many people to look at. Or any number of flags around the world where this silly thought would apply, since a flag might make some people unhappy. ||

      I agree with you that all flags – including the Israeli flag – should be as inclusive or, at the very least, as neutral as possible.

    • Mooser
      June 24, 2015, 12:21 pm

      “Try the same thought experiment with the American flag, which is doubtless painful for many people to look at”

      Yes, Hophmi, I can only think the sight of the American flag sets up huge shit-storm of divided loyalty in folks like you. Would you feel better if one of the stars on a field of blue was six-pointed?

      • hophmi
        June 25, 2015, 8:28 am

        Don’t talk to me about loyalty, Mooser. You don’t understand it or the America you purport to defend as the demagogue that you are.

      • justicewillprevail
        June 25, 2015, 9:44 am

        Ha ha, Mooser might be, and indeed is, many things, but a demagogue is about the least of his attributes. do you actually know what the word means, hop, or does it just sound like a handy term of insult to you? Given the amount of pea-brained demagogues Israel has in its government I would have thought you would be well acquainted with the concept. What with the brand loyalty you are so keen to promote and insist on for everybody else. It’s almost….demagogic. Or tragicomic. You decide.

      • Keith
        June 25, 2015, 3:56 pm

        MOOSER- “Would you feel better if one of the stars on a field of blue was six-pointed?”

        Why only one? In view of the high percentage of billionaires who are Jewish and the disproportionate contribution to democracy via campaign contributions, anything less than 10 stars is an effront to meritocracy and reeks of anti-Semitism!

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2015, 9:30 pm

        “Don’t talk to me about loyalty, Mooser. You don’t understand it or the America you purport to defend as the demagogue that you are.”

        Run, run! There’s a demagogue in the synagogue!

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2015, 10:59 am

        “as the demagogue that you are.”

        For your information, smarty-pants, I expect to be promoted from half to full gogue any day now.

      • CigarGod
        June 26, 2015, 11:20 am

        Your wish is my command.
        You are now Semi-God.
        Have a cigar!

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2015, 11:47 am

        “You are now Semi-God.”

    • Boo
      June 24, 2015, 1:34 pm

      I’m a Hawaiian. I only fly two flags. One is the Hawaiian flag, now the state flag, but it was also the flag of the Kingdom of Hawaii until it was overthrown by an American “businessmen’s coup” in 1893. (And will be the flag of the Republic of Hawaii at some future date.)

      The other is the peace flag, which coincidentally is also blue on white, but that’s the only similarity. Those are the flags I respect.

  12. Kay24
    June 23, 2015, 10:31 pm

    Just for a moment it was wishful thinking. Miracles do not happen in zio land.

    Thanks Phil and Adam for giving us a glimpse into how things should be.

  13. jon s
    June 24, 2015, 5:02 am

    Will other countries remove Christian and Muslim symbols from their flags?

    • Shmuel
      June 24, 2015, 5:29 am

      Jon,

      I think the idea was a symbolic gesture that a symbolic leader might make — where the symbol itself is one of exclusion, discrimination and worse. In Finland or the UK, the crosses on the flag simply don’t have that symbolic value. One could arguably say the same for Turkey or Malaysia. As for countries like Saudi Arabia, they make no claim to democracy or equality. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you would consider Saudi Arabia “good company” for Israel.

      • jon s
        June 24, 2015, 4:34 pm

        Shmuel,
        The symbolic gesture that the symbolic leader is supposed to make is to remove the Jewish symbol from the flag. Phil and Adam don’t seem to have a problem with the Christian symbol on many European flags, or with Muslim symbols on the flags of Arab and Muslim countries.

        I understand the desire to consider Palestinian sensitivities, but I think that the answer is not in lowering the Magen David, but in ensuring that the Palestinian flag can be raised alongside it. I remember the time when flying the Palestinian flag was “illegal” and “incitement”, and our soldiers and police were tasked with running around Palestinian towns to pull down flags. That was wrong –and futile- but the lesson of those days should be that both peoples should be able to fly their flags and make use of the symbols that are dear to so many.

        But let’s not pretend that it’s just the matter of the flag. If there’s a Jewish state, there are going to be Jewish symbols: the magen david flag, the menorah emblem, the ” “Hatikva “anthem . It’s not the symbol, it’s the concept of a Jewish state that bugs Phil and Adam.

      • Shmuel
        June 25, 2015, 2:08 am

        Phil and Adam don’t seem to have a problem with the Christian symbol on many European flags, or with Muslim symbols on the flags of Arab and Muslim countries.

        I thought I had covered that. The problem is not the religious symbol per se, but what it stands for. In Israel (at least in the eyes of its Palestinian citizens), it stands for exclusion, discrimination and violence. Saudi Arabia too.

        I understand the desire to consider Palestinian sensitivities, but I think that the answer is not in lowering the Magen David, but in ensuring that the Palestinian flag can be raised alongside it.

        A Palestinian state will not, in and of itself, resolve the problem of exclusion, discrimination and violence against Palestinian citizens of Israel, although it may address some elements of it.

        the lesson of those days should be that both peoples should be able to fly their flags and make use of the symbols that are dear to so many.

        I don’t think Phil and Adam were talking about banning the Israeli flag, but about a voluntary gesture to address what the flag means to the quarter of the country’s population for whom it is not “dear” at all but, on the contrary, is a constant reminder of injustice and suffering.

        But let’s not pretend that it’s just the matter of the flag. If there’s a Jewish state, there are going to be Jewish symbols: the magen david flag, the menorah emblem, the ” “Hatikva “anthem . It’s not the symbol, it’s the concept of a Jewish state that bugs Phil and Adam.

        Who ever said it was about the flag itself? I may be going out on a limb here, but I don’t think Phil or Adam have a problem with superimposed, blue triangles. Of course the problem is the fact that Israel has a charter ethnicity/religion. Of course it’s the ethnocratic Jewish state that bugs Phil and Adam (and me). Were that the case in Sweden or Switzerland, their flags (as symbols, not yellow or red intersecting lines), would be worthy of similar thought experiments.

      • can of worms
        June 25, 2015, 5:24 am

        “It’s not the symbol, it’s the concept of a Jewish state that bugs Phil and Adam. ”

        jon s, you’re getting warmer, so get off your segregated behind and keep on looking until you find where it’s at.

        – – – – – –
        Hint: Think, ‘OneState flag’. Raising it, at least we could say that it’s not the symbols of the flag, but the concept of equality, that bugs you.

    • diasp0ra
      June 24, 2015, 9:56 am

      The issue isn’t that it’s a religious symbol. The issue is what the flag represents. Wish you would for once address the issue instead of launching into hypothetical.

      • hophmi
        June 24, 2015, 10:33 am

        In this world, targeting the Israeli flag, especially given what else has happened in the Middle East and widespread antisemitism in Europe, also represents something. Start somewhere else if you want to break down people’s symbols. There are almost 5 dozen Muslim countries. The vast majority of them have a religious symbol on their flag, and in some countries, that’s synonymous with persecution of minorities. To be silent on that, and to talk obsessively about Israel, is ridiculous.

      • CigarGod
        June 24, 2015, 10:57 am

        Focus on ones area of concern, is ridiculous?
        With all the good examples around you to learn from, and you still cant reason?
        Thats ridiculous.

      • eljay
        June 24, 2015, 10:49 am

        || hophmi: … There are almost 5 dozen Muslim countries. The vast majority of them have a religious symbol on their flag, and in some countries, that’s synonymous with persecution of minorities. … ||

        1. When in doubt, compare Israel not to the best countries in the world but to Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

        2. Why do Zio-supremacists spend so much time insisting that Jewish is so much more than just a religion – it’s a tribe / culture / ethnicity / people / nation / civilization – only to turn around and reduce it to just a religion when it suits their needs?

        The Star of David obviously represents the Jewish tribe / culture / ethnicity / people / nation / civilization, and placing it on the flag of the state of Israel – the nation state of all Israelis, 20% of whom are non-Jewish – serves to underscore the fact that Israel is actually a supremacist “Jewish State”, rather than a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, equally. That doesn’t seem like something a “moral beacon” state should be doing.

      • talknic
        June 24, 2015, 11:27 am

        @ hophmi June 24, 2015, 10:33 am

        “There are almost 5 dozen Muslim countries. “

        Any of them occupying another people in breach of International Law, the UN Charter

        ” To be silent on that, and to talk obsessively about Israel, is ridiculous.”

        But to be dispossessing and slaughtering non-Jews in order to obsessively and illegally settle in non-Israeli territory for 67 years, is OK ….right?

        Oh …. sorry … I get what you mean. If we talk about those countries, Israel will suddenly withdraw from all non-Israeli territories taking its illegal settlers back to Israel, pay compensation for 67 years of belligerence and exploitation of non-Israel resources and start adhering to International Law ….right?

        Or is it that if those other countries didn’t also persecute minorities, Israel will suddenly withdraw from all non-Israeli territories taking its illegal settlers back to Israel, pay compensation for 67 years of belligerence and exploitation of non-Israel resources and start adhering to International Law?

        HELP, I’m not sure what you’re getting at ….. two or more wrongs make a right?

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2015, 9:34 pm

        “There are almost 5 dozen Muslim countries.”

        Up from only two dozen this morning. Or are there two dozen bankrolling BDS and three dozen just hanging around with scary beards?

        I remind you, Hophmi, that under the ordinary arithmetic system “five dozen” is 60. I don’t know what it comes out to in Zionist math.

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2015, 9:41 pm

        “In this world, targeting the Israeli flag…”

        “Targeting”? Oy Gevalt ‘Shoot, if you must, this old grey head, but spare my country’s flag’ said Hophmi Ross!

    • Mooser
      June 24, 2015, 12:26 pm

      “Will other countries remove Christian and Muslim symbols from their flags?”

      You tell ’em, “jon s”! Yes, for the next thousand years the world will look at the Star-of-David and say: “The Jews conquered and reduced the Palestinians!” They WILL acknowledge our worth!

      Yup, should make friends for us all around the world. I don’t want to brag on my race, but eliminating the most powerful, resourceful and aggressive people in the world is quite an accomplishment! Why, the Palestinians would have enslaved the entire earth if not for us!

    • tree
      June 25, 2015, 12:55 pm

      Jon s,

      Shmuel is right (as usual!), its what the Israel flag stands for that is objectionable.

      I understand that you might not realize where this thought experiment of Phil and Adam’s comes from since you don’t live in the US, but this is an outcome of the raging debate in the US South over the removal of the Confederate flag from state facilities, and from one Southern states’ own state flags, recently re-sparked by the white terrorist murder of nine parishioners at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politics/confederate-flags-southern-states-debate-legislators/

      In essence, Phil and Adam are comparing Israel to the US and applying the same reasoning of eliminating a symbol “where the symbol itself is one of exclusion, discrimination and worse”, in Shmuel’s words, to Israel’s situation.

      Israeli spokespeople, as well as assorted Zionists of various flavors, like to compare Israel to the US- the “shared values” meme. But when a comparison like P and A’s is made that belies those “shared values”, the immediate response is to suddenly shift and compare Israel to some despotic government somewhere else and say, “See we are no worse than they are.” Well then stop carping about “shared values” with the US and what a great enlightened state Israel is, because it certainly isn’t. The values it does share with the US are ones that neither country should be proud of.

      Personally I think the thought experiment doesn’t work because Israel is still in the Jim Crow South mode, or worse, so getting rid of a symbol won’t improve the lot of the non-Jewish citizens and subjects of Israeli rule. It would be equivalent in its meaningless to Mississippi removing the Confederate flag from its state flag in the 1920’s. The rank discrimination and racial violence would still be there. It doesn’t morph into equality simply by changing the symbols of the oppression. The state of Israel has to evolve first into a state that, at least officially and statutorily, honors and enshrines equality for all. Israel is a long way from being that kind of state.

      Can of worms and diasp0ra make the same points as Shmuel.

      Try thinking about what it means to put a religious symbol on the flag of a government that continues to engage in ethnic cleansing and horrific oppression. For the sake of the symbol itself it is a shame to associate it with such a state.

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2015, 9:53 pm

        “For the sake of the symbol itself it is a shame to associate it with such a state.”

        “Jon s” thinks the world will bow and pay tribute to the Star of David, grateful for the Zionist’s almost miraculous victory in conquering and reducing the Palestinians just before the Palestinians set out on on a campaign of world conquest. “Jon s” thinks that Zionism is what makes the six-pointed star shine so brightly.

  14. Kay24
    June 24, 2015, 6:45 am

    So what is the UN going to do about those horrible war crimes? Haaretz headlines.

    For what it is worth:

    “Following UN Gaza probe, Palestinian Authority to present documents to ICC on Thursday
    Palestinian Authority plans to seize the momentum from the UN’s recent report on the Gaza war and file documents concerning Israel’s ‘violations’ in three areas.”

    UN official:

    “Head of UN Gaza probe tells Haaretz: Main message is Israel can’t drop one-ton bomb on a neighborhood
    Jurist Mary McGowan Davis tells Haaretz that committee members wanted to convey that Israel must reexamine its policy of using military might, says report would have looked ‘very different’ if Israel had cooperated.”

    And the usual Oye Veys, threats, bribes, calls and cries of victim:

    “Israel campaigning to pit European states against Gaza war report
    Israeli diplomats go into damage control mode after UN investigative panel finds evidence of possible war crimes on part of both Israel and Hamas.”

    I WISH THE US WILL STAY OUT OF THIS ONE AT LEAST AND LET THE ISRAELIS FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR HORRIBLE ACTIONS BY THEMSELVES.

    • WH
      June 24, 2015, 7:31 am

      “says report would have looked ‘very different’ if Israel had cooperated.”

      Why? The facts are the facts, cooperation or not. Any cooperation would only have been obfuscation and propaganda anyway.

      • Kay24
        June 24, 2015, 7:58 am

        Facts are indeed facts. There is no explanation for killing so many civilians, especially women and children. The killers were warned there were civilians in schools, but that did not stop them from doing the right thing. Dropping one ton bombs over civilians areas is despicable.
        How would they feel if some other nation dropped the same bombs over Tel Aviv?

    • just
      June 24, 2015, 7:52 am

      “I WISH THE US WILL STAY OUT OF THIS ONE AT LEAST AND LET THE ISRAELIS FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR HORRIBLE ACTIONS BY THEMSELVES.”

      I read this, Kay:

      “The United States is opposed to bringing the independent United Nations report on last summer’s Gaza war to the Security Council for a vote, State Department spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/obfuscating-operation-protective#comment-148364

      Perhaps there’s a hidden meaning… like ‘whoops, we are more than complicit in these war crimes!’

      +1, WH! McGowan’s “main message” leaves out an awful lot.

      • Kay24
        June 24, 2015, 8:01 am

        I guess handing over MORE ammunition to the killers to massacre more civilians can be considered being “complicit”. Giving lame statements cautioning Israel to be careful about civilians casualties and then allowing them to take our ammunition is being hypocritical too.
        We are enablers to these massacres. How many of our weapons were used for this despicable crime, and why are we still giving them more knowing their brutality?

    • RockyMissouri
      June 24, 2015, 11:28 am

      Truth…!!

  15. Sparzo
    June 24, 2015, 9:01 am

    More meaningless gesture and statement for more Zigzagging.
    The symbol of Israeli occupation and Palestinian suffering is in every inch of Jerusalem.
    The Israeli government house itself in Jerusalem, the IDF, plain clothes and uniform police and settlers.

  16. CigarGod
    June 24, 2015, 9:43 am

    I very much like the idea of including an equality symbol on the flag. Its probably even more likely to happen, than Rivlan taking it down.

    The words and symbol we use, can change minds. Sometimes not. Wyoming is proud of being the equality state, of women first gaining the vote, the first female governor. At the same time, we have the greatest wage disparity. A case of Propaganda being more powerful than reality.

    On the other hand, Im trying to reduce or give up eating prisoners and hostages. You know, animals raised in tight conditions. It is working. The words we use…work on us.

  17. Vera Gottlieb
    June 24, 2015, 10:16 am

    The Zionists are going to crucify this guy once he no longer is President. One of too few who acknowledges what is wrong with israel.

  18. Ramzi Jaber
    June 24, 2015, 12:14 pm

    The disintegration of the zionist entity continues from the innermost core………..

    Deputy interior minister to Arab MK: Israel is doing you a favor by giving you citizenship
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4672373,00.html

    Rivlin (Likud and President): Israel is a sick society
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.622145

    More Rivlin: Tribes of Israel, the new order; tribal schisms tearing Israel apart
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.660057
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-divided-along-tribal-lines-rivlin-warns/

    This is the last step in zionism: the jingoistic phase and death from within.

    • CigarGod
      June 24, 2015, 12:19 pm

      Zionism will probably die many deaths before it is really gone. The KKK keeps lifting it’s head…

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2015, 12:30 pm

        “Zionism will probably die many deaths “

        Yes, they say certain kinds people can die a thousand.

  19. Kathleen
    June 24, 2015, 12:42 pm

    In our dreams…only in our dreams could this happen.

    Phil etc have you checked out Aipac’s website recently? focus on taking down UN report and huge focus on taking down the P5+1.

    AIPAC – The American Israel Public Affairs Committee

    http://www.aipac.org/

    • Kay24
      June 24, 2015, 1:59 pm

      They are blatantly interfering in US policies and sabotaging any UN efforts to get justice for their victims. They are anti American, and doing the bidding of a rogue state that tries to control our leaders in the WH (the Congress already under their control). They are dirty rotten scoundrels.

  20. gbatarseh
    June 24, 2015, 8:49 pm

    Excellent article. Please note, however, that Senator Lindsey Graham was referring to the Confederate flag- not the Israeli flag.

  21. imagine65
    June 25, 2015, 12:40 am

    Thanks for this article Philip and Adam. I wish could become a reality and might if people in North America knew about the darker trends that are exposed in this website and others. I had a chance to hear David Sheen come and speak at the University of Calgary to talk about racism in Israel and he ended his talk with the infamous quote by President Rivlin about Israel being a “sick society”. I only hope that the world can provide intervention to save Israel from themselves.

  22. Kathleen
    June 25, 2015, 10:01 am

    This morning ((6/25/2015) MSNBC Joe Scarborough paid homage to Comcast founder/NBC and MSNBC and many other media outlets owner Ralph Roberts who passed away at 95 recently.

    Wondering whether the Mondo team will explore if and how Roberts more than likely has been a gatekeeper for Israel and the I lobby for decades. Did he donate to Israel (tax exempt), support Aipac etc?

    Know you did this piece some years back. Wondering about a deeper dig into Ralph Roberts associations, donations, gatekeeping through his many news outlet acquisitions over the decades? Questions?

    NBC and the Israel lobby – Mondoweiss

    mondoweiss.net/2011/11/nbc-and-the-israel-lobby

  23. just
    June 26, 2015, 8:44 am

    Haaretz:
    “How offensive is your flag?

    Amid the Confederate flag debate in the U.S., here’s a look at other pieces of colorful cloth decried as racist, exclusionary or otherwise symbolically sinister.

    Spurred by the racially-motivated church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, debate has again raged in the United States about the Confederate flag. To its defenders, the blue saltire with its 13 stars and red background is a legitimate symbol of Southern heritage. Yet to its detractors, the flag is an ugly emblem of the former Confederacy’s white supremacist ideology and enduring racism in present-day America.

    Yet such vexing vexillographic debate is not solely a Dixie affair. Around the world, national as well as other flags cause offense to millions, on the grounds that they evoke dark periods in history, or are ethnically or religiously exclusionary. Here’s a look at a selection of such fundamentally contentious flags.

    …Bluewashing nearly two million citizens?

    With its Star of David taking center stage, many non-Jewish Israelis – who comprise over 20% of the country’s population – see the current flag as discriminatory. Designed by Lithuanian-American Jew Morris Harris, the flag features the historically (though not exclusively) Jewish hexagram set between two blue stripes symbolizing the Jewish prayer shawl, the tallit. It was officially adopted by the Zionist movement in 1898 and by the State of Israel in October 1948. But what about representing Israel’s approximately 1.8 million Arab, Bedouin and Druze citizens? As with the country’s anthem, Hatikvah, the debate cuts to the heart of Israel’s perennial identity crises: should it be the nation-state of world Jewry, or a state of all its citizens?

    Interestingly, Theodor Herzl, considered the father of modern Zionism, initially preferred a more universalist flag, writing in his landmark book, Der Judenstaat: “I would suggest a white flag, with seven golden stars. The white field symbolizes our pure new life; the stars are the seven golden hours of our working-day.””…

    There’s more on the other flags @ http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.662779

  24. Ladybat2
    June 27, 2015, 1:52 am

    I ran down stairs excited telling my husband, who is Palestinian American, about this and even he knew it was satire. He said if its not satire then this man will be murdered in his sleep before the year is out.
    I thought it was real there for a minute. Oh how I wish it was real.

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