In wake of January attacks, French Muslims have been demonized in manufactured ‘clash of civilizations’

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In our full-length documentary, “Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie,” filmmaker James Kleinfeld and I take a look at France since the January attacks on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket by Islamic extremists.

During my visit to France this March for a speaking tour, we focused our lens on the explosion of Islamophobic incidents, which are up 28% since the attacks, the rise of the far-right and the official repression of Palestine solidarity activism, which French Prime Minister Manuel Valls recently denounced as a form of anti-Semitism. We also document the exploitation of French anti-Semitism by the French and Israeli governments to manufacture a “clash of civilizations” that is playing out in the streets of Paris.

Je ne suis pas Charlie from The Real News Network on Vimeo.

A film by James Kleinfeld and Max Blumenthal

In a follow-up interview with Paul Jay, I discuss the making of “Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie” and analyze some of the more arresting interviews Kleinfeld and I filmed:

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  1. justicewillprevail
    July 29, 2015, 2:37 pm

    So you didn’t watch the videos or listen to the arguments. Your complete lack of knowledge about European politics is symptomatic of people who want to impose false narratives and exploit tragedies for their own benefit. You’re a fine one to start harping on about what people can and cannot say, even if your claims are risible.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 29, 2015, 7:04 pm

      So you didn’t watch the videos or listen to the arguments.

      of course not! he raced to get top comment to poison the thread. it’s a tried and true hasbrat tradition.

    • DoubleStandard
      July 29, 2015, 7:46 pm

      I am sneaky like that, I admit it. So the way to beat me would have been not to comment.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 29, 2015, 11:03 pm

      I am sneaky like that, I admit it. the way to beat me would have been not to comment.

      i can be sneaky too.

      • just
        July 29, 2015, 11:17 pm

        lol.

        ahem.

      • DoubleStandard
        July 29, 2015, 11:27 pm

        I’m not entirely sure what I should gather from that :). You have no idea how annoying it sounds to preface all of your comments with some inflection of “hasbara.”

        As if calling it a particular name somehow makes it more or less valid.

        You guys are not nearly as appreciative as you should me. Would you prefer that no Zionists comment on this page?

        That it be an echo chamber where you guys just tell each other that you are winning and the Zionist entity will fall any day now?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 12:01 am

        for your review: http://mondoweiss.net/policy

        6. No trolling. Wikipedia defines trolling as “someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.” That definition is good enough for us. We hope our comment section can feature an engaged and free flowing debate, but we are not interested in commenters whose only aim is to disrupt or sabotage the discussion.

        a top comment cannot, by definition, be in response to a conversation that has yet to take place. it’s held to a different standard than a comment responding to another commenter. it should relate to the information in the article. if you think it’s ‘sneaky’ to grab top comment without remotely having engaged the info in the article, i can be sneaky too, that’s all i meant. ;) scroll up to the top of the thread.

        Would you prefer that no Zionists comment on this page?

        please don’t race for top comment w/an inflammatory post before even making an attempt to engage the article. thanks ;) i’m glad we’ve had a chance to have this conversation.

      • DoubleStandard
        July 30, 2015, 12:22 am

        Oh lol. I didn’t notice. Nice one.

        You win this round Annie.

      • RoHa
        July 30, 2015, 1:01 am

        “with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.”

        I confess that I do sometimes post with the intent of provoking an emotional response, but never with the aim of disrupting the discussion.

      • talknic
        July 30, 2015, 2:09 am

        @ DoubleStandard “As if calling it a particular name somehow makes it more or less valid”

        There is nothing valid about Hasbara. Try any argument justifying Israeli excuses for its stance on Palestine and it can be shown to be bullsh&*t!

        “You guys are not nearly as appreciative as you should me. Would you prefer that no Zionists comment on this page?”

        No pal, we love it. Every time you post you afford the opportunity to show interested readers just how inept and wrong apologists for Israel can be. The dis-service you render to your cause is breathtaking!

        “That it be an echo chamber where you guys just tell each other that you are winning and the Zionist entity will fall any day now?”

        Israel is as isolated as it has ever been.

      • Mooser
        July 30, 2015, 11:15 am

        “You win this round Annie.”

        Maybe she did, but gee, Double Standard, let’s not forget one important thing! Namely this: As a commenter, your every comment must pass through Moderation, so you are in an excellent position to pull a sneak attack and win the next one! Just wait til their back is turned and slip in a few zingers!

        Holey God, is he dumb or what?

  2. tokyobk
    July 29, 2015, 2:44 pm

    Actually, DoubleStandard, Islam was in Europe before many now Christian places were Christian, especially in the East of the continent. So, Islam is indigenous to Europe. Not at all a foreign religion, by the way, the exact thing motherf*kers did to us Jews, even though we resided in, for example, Germany for a thousand years So, shame on you! Moreover, if a Muslim is born in Europe s/he is an indigenous European Muslim.

    I do suspect, however, that some here who parse, contextualise and deny antisemitism, even that it should have its own name, will nonetheless find much worthy utility in Islamophobia.

    • just
      July 29, 2015, 3:36 pm

      Thanks for pointing that out that truth, tokyobk.

      After watching the interview, this is what I took away this time:

      There’s both antisemitism and Islamophobia at play here as Max clearly states. I believe him when he says that the French are not really 100% friends of the Jews, either.(paraphrasing here) He also said that he thought that the right wing took advantage of the awful attacks to inflame Islamophobia and that it was a transatlantic effort. This is indisputably true! What I did find interesting, because I believe it, is that Jews and Muslims (minorities) should naturally be allied in areas like Sarcelles where there is a community comprised of 1/3 Jews, 1/3 Muslims, and 1/3 other minorities. Instead, the JDL and others are hard at work promoting fear and division, etc. The “leaders” (as usual) are the inciters- in- chief(s). It was also sad to hear the French citizenry firmly hold to their rights to free speech while shutting him down.

      Sad to say, I cannot stream the movie right now. But, the interview was terrific. Looking forward to more discussion of this great effort by Max and James Kleinfeld.

      Thanks Max and MW.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 2:04 am

        just, if you’ve any chance to watch the vimeo ..it is fantastic. mental notes 27 min (incredible), 35 and 45. i would definitely watch everything past 27 min if you’re crunched for time. the interviewees are magnificent must see! vimeo is challenging for me .. i have to keep waiting. but it’s so worth it on this film.

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 9:21 am

        Thanks, Annie. It’s on my agenda this afternoon, and I am very much looking forward to it.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 29, 2015, 11:27 pm

      deny antisemitism, even that it should have its own name, will nonetheless find much worthy utility in Islamophobia.

      your segue is a little tweaked there tokyobk. there’s nothing wrong per se with calling out bigotry when you see it, it’s not the same as denial if you use a different term for it that means exactly the same thing.

      as an aside:

      A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational.

      technically fearing something is not quite the same as ‘having hatred towards’. note the reference to “the sufferer” and “danger”. albeit, in our culture the word islamophobia is generally used synonymously/ interchangeably with bigotry, but it’s actual meaning is different. in that regard it has something in common with the term anti semitism, because the etymology of both terms are unusual considering the history of the etymons.

    • Mooser
      July 30, 2015, 8:33 pm

      “Not at all a foreign religion, by the way, the exact thing motherf*kers did to us Jews, even though we resided in, for example, Germany for a thousand years”

      I apologize for “tokyobk”. He must’ve forgotten himself for a moment.

    • Mayhem
      July 31, 2015, 10:13 am

      The Left jump quickly to the defence of their Muslim allies but don’t give a damn about the Jews. Blumenthal is a case in point – despised by most Jews for his special brand of anti-Judaism. All this hype about Muslims facing a 28% increase in Islamophobic incidents, while on the other hand Jews in France have seen a shocking 84% rise in anti-semitic attacks since 2014.
      And who pray tell are the main perpetrators of this spate of anti-semitism? ANSWER: certain practitioners of the same religion as the Muslims whom Blumenthal seems so concerned about.
      Yes I agree that we shouldn’t be picking on those Muslims that aren’t anti-semitic but what is that percentage? I suspect it is much smaller than it should be.
      Furthermore Blumenthal and his ilk like to obsess about the political sideshows. The Islamic religion is very much to blame for the strife rampant across our globe today and the Muslims who pursue their religion strictly are frequently bound to cause great problems for others, especially the Jews.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2015, 11:00 am

        All this hype about Muslims facing a 28% increase in Islamophobic incidents, while on the other hand Jews in France have seen a shocking 84% rise in anti-semitic attacks since 2014. –

        mayhem, do you happen to have a list of those attacks or what the numbers are specifically? because percentages are relative. for example, if last year there were 30 attacks in the 1st quarter of the year and this year’s 1st quarter there were 60, that would be a shocking 100% increase, would it not? whereas:

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/firebombs-and-pigs-heads-thrown-into-mosques-as-antimuslim-attacks-increase-after-paris-shootings-9977423.html

        Twenty-six mosques around France have been subject to attack by firebombs, gunfire, pig heads, and grenades as Muslims are targeted with violence in the wake of the Paris attacks.

        France’s National Observatory Against Islamophobia reports that since last Wednesday a total of 60 Islamophobic incidents have been recorded, with countless minor encounters believed to have gone unreported.

        Amongst the incidents, a mosque in Le Mans was hit with four grenades, and gunfire directed through one of its windows.

        While Islamophobic incidents are nothing new….

        if islamophobic attacks are nothing new, 60 attacks in a week could (although i seriously doubt) represent a decreased percentage from the year before. so muslims facing a 28% increase is not “hype” if the attacks come at an alarming rate on a regular basis. it’s all relative, just saying. any attack is horrible but pitting these “increase” percentages against each other sans any relativity of the numbers of attacks is an exercise in futility.

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2015, 12:31 pm

        “mayhem, do you happen to have a list of those attacks or what the numbers are specifically? because percentages are relative”

        Annie, there’s no use arguing with very religious people concerning religious doctrine. Nonsubstantiation is one of the basic religious principles of Zionism.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2015, 7:27 pm

        Nonsubstantiation is one of the basic religious principles of Zionism.

        i guess he’s not going to even acknowledge the 60 attacks in one week i mentioned. it’s hard to tell what he’s thinking — 83% is relative. considering all the death last summer, i’m surprised attacks didn’t double. but since i don’t know what constitutes an attack it’s hard to gauge what he’s referring too. either way it’s a bummer.

      • Mayhem
        July 31, 2015, 7:30 pm

        @mooser, I wouldn’t want you to miss out on the facts – it might perturb your world view. See Jews in France have seen a shocking 84% rise in anti-semitic attacks.
        This Blumenthal article is typical of the kind of politically distorted obsession that dogs the Left. For example there is more interest in every single Palestinian casualty when there are hundreds more and worse happening elsewhere.
        So reminiscent of the blindsidedness of the Left when it was in the thrall of communism because it was taking on the evil America meantime ignoring the tyranny of communism.

      • straightline
        July 31, 2015, 8:39 pm

        @Mayhem, Annie asked you for a list. You respond with a report in Catholic Online of a report by the Jewish Community Security Service SPCJ in France , “which aims to ‘protect Jewish life,'”. 23% of those acts are “considered violent”, many were “death threats”. While I abhor all forms of violence of this kind, and would not want to diminish the seriousness of attacks on Jews and on Muslims in France or anywhere else for that matter, I think that there is room for some subjectivity in this kind of survey.

        If someone says to me “I will be glad when you are dead”, is that a death threat, for instance? And regularly here and elsewhere we see commenters accused of anti-semitism because they criticise the policies of the government of Israel. How many “anti-semitic” attacks were just that? Is the number of anti-semitic attacks increasing because the people doing the survey are moving the goalposts? It would be useful to have a list of the actual acts – please? I think you will find that everyone who commented on this site about it was appalled by the Charlie Hebdo massacre – mentioned in that report. I haven’t seen you say anything similar about the recent killings in Palestine. Turning to the specifics of the report, while I do know a little about statistics, I cannot comprehend this sentence from the Catholic Online report: “Statistics show that 23 percent of attacks were considered violent, with a little less behind the 27 percent observed in the first quarter of last year.”

        I would add that there is little to be gained in a tit-for-tat comparison of statistics of attacks on Muslims and Jews in France. Both kinds of attacks are abhorrent and one such attack on either side is one too many.

      • Mayhem
        July 31, 2015, 8:39 pm

        @robbins, have you compared the death tolls between islamophobic attacks compared to anti-semitic attacks? The plain truth is that the viability of Jews in much of Europe is under serious threat while the Muslims have nothing REALLY to worry about.

      • straightline
        July 31, 2015, 9:46 pm

        @Mayhem. You seem to be more concerned about the survival of the tribe in Europe than about in the survival of the people. Is that correct? If so I think you should be more worried about intermarriage than about killings.

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3984935,00.html

        Personally I’m more worried about the people.

      • Kris
        August 1, 2015, 12:52 am

        @Mayhem: “The Left jump quickly to the defence of their Muslim allies but don’t give a damn about the Jews.”

        Jews or Israelis?

        Today, Israeli Jews burned a Muslim baby to death and killed a Muslim teenager, http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=766789 , but I didn’t read a single story about Muslims burning up Jewish babies or shooting Jewish teenagers. I also must have missed the news about Muslims ethnically cleansing Jews, demolishing their homes, or stealing their land and resources.

        Is your constant whining about anti-semitism meant to be a self-fulfilling prophecy?

  3. eljay
    July 29, 2015, 2:54 pm

    || DoubleStandard: … We are at the point where people in Europe cannot criticize a non-indigenous religion for fear of being violently shut-up. … ||

    Whether it’s Judaism, Islam or some other religion – “indigenous” to Europe or not – people in Europe should be able to criticize it without fear of their property, their lives or their careers being damaged or destroyed.

    || … We can only hope that the masses are rebelling against the rule of political correctness and embrace of destructive multiculturalism. … ||

    The masses should rebel against all forms of injustice and immorality – including Islamic fundamentalism and Jewish supremacism and colonialism – and embrace justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied.

  4. Pixel
    July 29, 2015, 3:34 pm

    “manufactured” is the word, alright.

  5. amigo
    July 29, 2015, 3:42 pm

    DS, “Europe needs a populist uprising like it never has before. ”

    We Europeans will decide if and when we need an uprising.Not all Europeans are imbued with hatred towards others.We are flexible unlike zionistas.

    You should be concerned about a populist uprising by the indigenous folks whose land you are squatting on.

    And be concerned that we Europeans will support them as much as is possible.Think BDS and Isolation but of course we will leave the isolation part to folks like you who are doing a dandy job on that already.

    BDS , 1SS and ID —Iran Deal.

  6. DoubleStandard
    July 29, 2015, 4:06 pm

    What you call “hatred,” we evil Zionists call intelligent self-preservation.

    You guys could learn a thing or two from us.

    I am not concerned that you will support the Palestinians against Israel.

    A populist uprising means a revolution grounded in mutual understanding of the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilization.

    Israel is on the frontline of that fight. That is why India and the far east are interested in Israel. Countries that are resisting Islamization support Israel. Countries that are embracing their own destruction revile Israel.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 29, 2015, 6:31 pm

      A populist uprising means a revolution grounded in mutual understanding of the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilization.

      LOL!

    • RoHa
      July 29, 2015, 7:39 pm

      “A populist uprising means a revolution grounded in mutual understanding of the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilisation.”

      Goodness, yes!

      We need a few good, old fashioned, mobs to go smashing the windows of Halal butchers and burning mosques. We need vigilante patrols to beat up random Muslims, burn Islamic literature, and denounce Islamic music.

      The portrait of Avicenna in the U. of Paris Medical School has to go, as well.

      That’ll restore Western civilization to its full glory.

    • just
      July 29, 2015, 8:16 pm

      Thanks, RoHa.

      (‘populists’ do quite a bit of that in some places. I guess DS thinks it’s a dandy idea, one that needs more ‘populists’. I dunno where all of these ‘populists’ are that DS is recruiting~ worldwide?)

    • eljay
      July 29, 2015, 8:23 pm

      || DoubleStandard: … A populist uprising means a revolution grounded in mutual understanding of the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilization. … ||

      A belligerent, intransigent, fanatical and nuclear-armed “Jewish State” that encourages – nay, demands – war against other nations also poses a danger to Western civilization. It’s time for a populist uprising.

    • Sibiriak
      July 29, 2015, 11:12 pm

      DoubleStandard: … the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilization.
      —————————

      I’m more worried about the dangers radical Western Civilization poses to the world.

      • DoubleStandard
        July 30, 2015, 1:04 am

        Care to elaborate?

        The West certainly oversteps its bounds sometimes, but there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.

        I view radical Western Civilization as a potentially salutary phenomenon.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 2:11 am

        there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.

        but is it worth it if the ‘west’ advanced itself on the backs of others? if they genocided millions to get where they are today? how far would you go to support that “enlightenment and sophistication”? would you offer up your child for experimentation or annihilation for the advancement of western culture?

      • RoHa
        July 30, 2015, 2:27 am

        “there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.”

        I certainly agree that Western culture has plenty of good things going for it, even though I sometimes take a Ghandian line on the topic. However, before I could agree with your assessment, I would need to see definitions of “enlightenment” and “sophistication”, a full description of the method used to measure the levels of e and s in a civilization, and the actual, measured levels for each civilization. (Raw data, as well as the “adjusted” figures.)

      • echinococcus
        July 30, 2015, 10:05 am

        Double Standard,

        You may be in awe and admiration before Western Culture, but you personally certainly do not belong. Your value system is the polar opposite in every point. In fact, what you are defending, if we want to judge it by the famous opposition before the idea of democracy vs oriental despotism, is that of oriental despotism.

      • Keith
        July 30, 2015, 4:02 pm

        DOUBLESTANDARD- “…there is no comparing the level of enlightenment and sophistication of Western culture to any other civilization in the world.”

        If one considers imperialism and mass murder as proof of enlightenment and sophistication, then undoubtedly we are number one! Of course, then there is the problem of how to deal with all of those trouble makers whose countries we have destroyed and subjugated. Endless war our gift to the world.

      • DoubleStandard
        July 31, 2015, 1:31 am

        I don’t understand. Yes, the West has killed a lot of people. There is no denying it.

        But would these peoples in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia have done any differently had they been strong enough to do so? Let’s be real — it wasn’t that they were more moral. They were just too primitive to figure out how to effectively organize and wage war.

        I think you are being unfair to the West. People are animals at bottom, and the strong trample over the weak. Food chain stuff and all.

        There is nothing inherently evil and violent about the West. The West was just the most powerful, therefore it used violence against inferior civilizations.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2015, 1:56 am

        too primitive? please elaborate.

      • talknic
        July 31, 2015, 2:40 am

        DoubleStandard ” just the most powerful, therefore it used violence against inferior civilizations”

        I’m sure Hitler would have agreed with you. The types Israeli intransigence attracts makes one wonder WTF they demand to be recognized as the Jewish state

      • justicewillprevail
        July 31, 2015, 5:24 am

        DS, the only primitive thing here is your thinking. I would call the base justifications for racial superiority you have elaborated, and as enthusiastically promoted by the various forms of fascism, as about as primitive as you can get. Survival of the fittest, might is right, social darwinism were all features of the ethno-nationalism you espouse as justification for zionism. Chuck in some dubious religious and cultural founding myths and you have a nice recipe for fascism and a justification for the violent elimination of your ‘inferior’ civilisations.
        In that light you will be totally comfortable with the horrific burning of a child by Israeli squatters since they are merely, in your words. ‘animals’ at heart and since they are more Western and powerful, not inherently evil, simply using their superior strength and organisation to use violence against ‘inferior’ people.
        Make no mistake, that is where your pathetic justification leads.

      • eljay
        July 31, 2015, 8:50 am

        || DoubleStandard: … it wasn’t that they were more moral. They were just too primitive to figure out how to effectively organize and wage war. … People are animals at bottom, and the strong trample over the weak. Food chain stuff and all.

        There is nothing inherently evil and violent about the West. The West was just the most powerful, therefore it used violence against inferior civilizations. ||

        And yet you Zio-supremacists keep wailing and moaning about Iran trying to develop nukes to wipe out Israel when you should be admiring them for trying to be less-primitive and more powerful and to effectively organize and wage war in order to commit acts that aren’t inherently evil or violent.

        Funny stuff. It’s as though you guys don’t bother to think through the crap you spout before you spout it.

    • justicewillprevail
      July 30, 2015, 3:10 am

      Your inane claims, straight out of the child’s guide to hasbara, are comical. Israel has nothing in common with modern Western societies, but has plundered the worst values of its past – ethno nationalism which resulted in fascism, racism and colonialism. Israel is no friend of the West but a danger to it, a manipulative subversive regime which sows dissension and hatred, fomenting war and the deaths of innocent people in the region where it resides but can never come to civilised terms with.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 30, 2015, 5:53 am

        One last thing, DS. You have admitted you are a troll on this thread, who doesn’t bother with the articles, but tries to bait people with your childish hasbrat cliches. On the contrary, it is you who have a lot learn from this site, which has a wealth of points of view, history and personal testimony. But since you never read, you will never open up your mind. You sound like a bored teenager who gets their kicks from baiting people you don’t have the capacity to debate with. Bye.

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 9:10 am

        Great comments, justicewillprevail!

        Spot- on x 2! Thank you.

      • Mooser
        July 30, 2015, 8:39 pm

        “Oriental despotism!”

        Oh my! As I remember, or so they tell me, “oriental despotism” gave everybody the heeby-jeebies, right up through the 19th Century.
        If I am not mistaken, the British Constitution stood fore-square against “oriental despotism”!

        Hoo-boy!

      • DoubleStandard
        July 31, 2015, 1:38 am

        I do enjoy many of the comments I read. A lot are personal attacks and recycled tropes about Hasbara and Zio-bots and more childish terms, but many are really well thought out and offer a perspective that, while I don’t agree with, at least helps me see the other side.

    • talknic
      July 30, 2015, 3:45 am

      @ DoubleStandard “What you call “hatred,” we evil Zionists call intelligent self-preservation”

      Occupation and illegally acquiring other folks territory has NOTHING what so ever to do with self preservation

      “You guys could learn a thing or two from us”

      From you “evil Zionists”, indeed we have. You’re liars, cheats, denialists

      “I am not concerned that you will support the Palestinians against Israel”

      Byeeeee

      “A populist uprising means a revolution grounded in mutual understanding of the dangers that radical Islam poses to Western civilization”

      Diabetes is a far far greater threat

      “Israel is on the frontline of that fight”

      Israel was outside the territory it proclaimed at the time it proclaimed it, STARTING its war against what remained of Palestine

      “That is why India and the far east are interested in Israel”

      They’re interested in business

      “Countries that are resisting Islamization support Israel”

      Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and PALESTINE are all against Islamization!

      “Countries that are embracing their own destruction revile Israel”

      Israel is “embracing” its own destruction by being in breach of the UN Charter and International Law

    • diasp0ra
      July 30, 2015, 10:53 am

      What tripe is this?

      This trope is so old and useless, the whole front-lines against the new boogeyman of the month. I remember at some point Israel was also claimed as the front-lines against “fascist like Arab nationalism” that was going to bring back Nazism yadda yadda yadda with Nasser portrayed as Mussolini or Hitler.

      Intelligent self preservation..I hope you realize that that is what the KKK call their movement, right? The preservation of the white race?

      I look forward to the day where this arrogance of yours will leave nothing but the one state solution as the only real solution. I look forward to the day where the “Jewishness” of the state (i.e. Zionist supremacy and Apartheid) are trampled under a secular One person one Vote scheme.

      I will laugh at the irony of those who sought to defend Israel only hastened its doom, and me, as the true indigenous resident of the land will stay there steadfast, while Zionist supremacists with their double and triple nationalities will leave in droves, as their privileges will be at an end when they need to live as equal citizens.

      If anything, the events of 2011 have shown how delicate everything truly is in the Middle East, and how a regime once famous for how strong and autocratic it was crumbled in 2 weeks. It’s coming whether you like it or not, and whether you’re prepared for it or not. Enjoy your days as a slave master while you can.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2015, 12:33 pm

        Here is a great article from the Brookings Institute titled “The lion that Roared”. The writer makes a good point:

        “To make his case, Riedel makes reference to the weapon that dares not speak its name, the Israeli nuke. The Israeli nuclear arsenal is arguably the worst kept secret in international relations. But because neither American nor Israeli officials will acknowledge its existence, it does not figure prominently in debates about whether Israel is secure. But, according to the Federation of American Scientists, it does exist; it is substantial and resilient; and it provides Israel with a very effective deterrent against an Iranian regime that shows no signs of an irrational death wish. As Riedel notes, the Iran deal cannot start a nuclear arms race in the region because “a nuclear arms race has been underway in the Middle East for 65 years. Israel won it.”

        The last couple of sentences:

        “But as the United States evaluates the merits of the Iran nuclear deal, it should probably consider that when it comes to security, Israel is no mouse no matter how much it roars.”

        http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/07/29-lion-israel-and-iran-deal-shapiro?cid=00900015020149101US0001-0730

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 12:39 pm

        Thanks so much for that article and link, Kay24.

    • oldgeezer
      July 30, 2015, 11:18 am

      Israel being on the front lines of anything is rather risible. That will be news to a lot of western troops amd taxpayers.

      Israel is in front of the line begging for handouts constantly.

    • Marnie
      July 31, 2015, 7:24 am

      @DS – Countries that are embracing their own destruction revile Israel.

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      At least six stabbed in Jerusalem Pride Parade attack

      At least six people were stabbed Thursday afternoon during the annual Jerusalem Pride Parade. At least two are seriously wounded, one of them in critical condition.

      The stabbing took place on Jerusalem’s Keren Hayesod Street, where Magen David Adom emergency services treated the victims. According to Israeli Police, the suspected stabber is Yishai Shlissel, an ultra-Orthodox man who was recently released from prison after serving 10 years for stabbing three marchers during the 2005 parade. He was caught at the scene.

      @DS – What do you call a country that is not only embracing it’s own destruction but is going full steam ahead? ISRAEL. The only country in the world full of self-hating Jews.

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2015, 12:37 pm

        “According to Israeli Police, the suspected stabber is Yishai Shlissel, an ultra-Orthodox man who was recently released from prison after serving 10 years for stabbing three marchers during the 2005 parade. “

        Oh, no! I hope Tribal Unity doesn’t hear about this. The poor old girl has been through enough.

  7. oldgeezer
    July 29, 2015, 4:15 pm

    Multiculturalism is great. So much variety and the exposure is wonderful

    Enjoy your racist apartheid while you can.

  8. catalan
    July 29, 2015, 7:29 pm

    I support hate crime legislation against depictions of the Prophet. There is absolutely no need to gratuitously offend people. Let’s be better than that.
    We need more education on the civilizations. Both here and in Iran, China, India, the Arab world, etc.

    • DoubleStandard
      July 30, 2015, 1:04 am

      You support criminalization against making fun of someone who has been dead for 1400 years?

      You are just making my point.

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 9:16 am

        You really don’t grasp much except straws, do you DS?

        How do you feel about the hate crime legislation meant to protect you and yours? You know, the ones that are meant to protect your tender feelings and sensibilities? Hmmm?

      • michelle
        July 30, 2015, 9:15 pm

        .
        seems like by your measure that one shouldn’t be in support of the laws that make it a crime to in any way deny the Holocaust
        good on you what a free thinker you are turning out to be who would have thunk it
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • eljay
      July 30, 2015, 9:40 am

      || catalan: I support hate crime legislation against depictions of the Prophet. … ||

      I don’t. Depictions – of humans, animals, inanimate carbon rods, etc. – should not be criminalized.

      • Teapot
        July 30, 2015, 12:05 pm

        I agree. It always bothers me how much people focus on how it’s controversial to depict the Prophet. Yes, we don’t depict any of the Prophets in Islam, but why should non-Muslims have to follow these rules? As a Muslim, what really offends me about caricatures of the Prophet is not their existence per se, but how vicious and racist they usually are. They are a perfect example of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim incitement. But instead of examining people’s reactions to them in the context of rising Islamophobia or failed integration policies, institutionalized discrimination (like in France) and such, the focus is ever so often on how Islam forbids any depictions of the Prophet. Thus we can ignore all the real issues and once again depict Muslims as irrational fanatics who are opposed to free speech and other democratic principles.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 12:27 pm

        what really offends me about caricatures of the Prophet is not their existence per se, but how vicious and racist they usually are.

        it goes beyond that. it’s the gross sexualizing. as an example, think of all the graphic mockups of scarlett johansson during the soda stream/super bowl fiasco. an A for apartheid on her head, using photos from oxfam and soda stream and placing mocking words coming from her mouth. but what if activists artists had her on her knees prostrate with her bosoms hanging down or squished against the cement with cameras aimed up her overtly hairy ass? would they have been roundly condemned for creating images like this, or us for publishing them? of course. so, it’s not merely vicious and racist. it’s obviously aimed to incite. the images are completely gross and sexualized.

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 12:25 pm

        Bingo, Teapot! Bull’s- eye!

        Perfectly expressed. Sincere thanks!

        (That too, Annie.)

  9. talknic
    July 29, 2015, 8:29 pm

    @ DoubleStandard “We should just stay blind to what’s happening in Europe and soothe ourselves by repeating “TOLERANCE” over and over again while giving a Nazi salute. That will definitely solve all of our problems”

    If you say so, no one here has …. must be some weirdo stuff you been takin’

  10. zaid
    July 29, 2015, 9:18 pm

    Double standard

    “We should just stay blind to what’s happening in Europe and soothe ourselves by repeating “TOLERANCE” over and over again while giving a Nazi salute. That will definitely solve all of our problems.”

    Tolerate it or dont, it really doesnot matter.

    If you have a problem with the growth of islam in europe, i have news for you budy:

    just deal with it…. accept it………..and if you dont want to , your children or grand children will do that .

    Islam is almost 10% of france and it is now as indigenous as it can be .

    And to make it worse for you Mr.Islamaphobe , they are the only group that is growing, so if you really have an issue with them then i am afraid you are limited on choices.

    Though leaving will be the best option for the ilks like you.

    • DoubleStandard
      July 30, 2015, 12:25 pm

      I am aware of the demographic problem, obviously.

      Europe’s demographic problem is more of an existential threat than Israel’s demographic problem, in my opinion.

      • zaid
        July 30, 2015, 7:54 pm

        Double standard

        “I am aware of the demographic problem, obviously.
        Europe’s demographic problem is more of an existential threat than Israel’s demographic problem”

        No, Actually it is much worse in Israel and palestinians are already the majority in” stolen palestine”.

        By the way calling muslims and palestinians a demographic problem is a racist remark,But again Racism is an integral part of every Zionist .

        Double standard:

        “in my opinion”

        you dont have an opinion my friend, you just repeat the nonsense you are told to say

      • DoubleStandard
        July 30, 2015, 8:51 pm

        They are a demographic problem if you want to maintain a liberal democracy.

        You can’t have a liberal democracy if a majority of the public thinks that making fun of a religion gets the death penalty.

        Continue to bury your head in the sand. In the end, the people whose barbarism you defend will turn on you once you are no longer useful to their cause.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 9:38 pm

        You can’t have a liberal democracy if a majority of the public thinks that making fun of a religion gets the death penalty.

        You can’t have a liberal democracy in an apartheid state either. especially where the justice minister advocates genocide.

      • zaid
        July 30, 2015, 10:21 pm

        DS

        I am a palestinian .

        Are you calling muslims and arabs barbarians ???

        Just be brave and tell me??dont bury your head in the sand.

      • talknic
        July 30, 2015, 11:22 pm

        DoubleStandard “They are a demographic problem if you want to maintain a liberal democracy”

        There’s nothing about democracy in the Israeli Declaration of statehood. In fact it states “The state of Israel ….will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel That’s a theocracy!

        BTW Israel has yet to have a legally elected Government, under the promised and obligatory and non-existent constitution. Non-existent because a Jewish State and democracy are irreconcilable.

        “You can’t have a liberal democracy if a majority of the public thinks that making fun of a religion gets the death penalty”

        Evidence this applies to the Palestinians? I’ll wait …..

        ” In the end, the people whose barbarism you defend will turn on you once you are no longer useful to their cause”

        Zionists and supporters of Israel’s illegal expansionism are a good example. Rabin is a good example. Your drivel is another of those Hasbara bullsh*t sayings, like the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, when in fact for the last two thousand years they’ve been under some form of occupation in part or in total. I.e., they’ve never had an opportunity to declare independence.

        One cannot declare independence whilst under occupation because one is quite simply NOT independent. It’s the very reason the Jewish People’s Council waited until one minute after midnight to declare independent statehood effective.

        It’s the Zionist colonizers who have miss opportunity after opportunity for Jews to legally settle anywhere in Palestine. From the fall of the Roman Empire, there was the opportunity for Jewish folk to settle anywhere in Palestine, without being illegal settlers. Why did so many Jews NOT take advantage if, as we’re led to believe by the Zionist colonizers, it was such a burning desire. They didn’t. They missed that opportunity.

        The next opportunity was recognized by the British via the Balfour Declaration. A Jewish homeland, in Palestine. As Palestinians (at the time Jewish folk in Palestine were also Palestinians). All citizens would have been under Palestinian Law, which would have guaranteed equality, freedom of religion, democracy. (missed opportunity)

        The opportunity was there under the British Mandate over Palestine It even offered an opportunity of assistance similar (perhaps even less restrictive than the arguments being bandied about today) to Israel’s current Law of Return. Article 7 The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. (missed opportunity)

        The opportunity was there in the British White papers in 1922 (missed opportunity)

        The opportunity was re-iterated in the British White papers in 1939 (missed opportunity)

        Was it the Palestinians who took this right away? No. In fact, they had no say and were being represented by the Arab States who said when outlining their legal case for the 1948 Invasion of Palestine, “.. in accordance with democratic principles, whereby its inhabitants will enjoy complete equality before the law, [and whereby] minorities will be assured of all the guarantees recognised in democratic constitutional countries, and [whereby] the holy places will be preserved and the right of access thereto guaranteed.” Almost identical to the missed opportunity offered in the Balfour Declaration, the missed opportunity in the British Mandate over Palestine, the missed opportunity in the White papers, per the League of Nations Charter and later the UN Charter. It was their argument from the outset for all Palestinians, Jewish and non-Jewish, to determine their own fate and to have the opportunity to decide where they would settle in Palestine.

        The opportunity was missed at EVERY opportunity!.

        In the situation as it stands today, Israeli civilian law, Israeli civilian settlements, Israeli civilian infrastructure and Israeli civilians in non-annexed territories, in territories illegally annexed by Israel and in “territory occupied” and not withdrawn from (i.e., still occupied) , all run contrary to International Law and the Geneva Conventions. They are ILLEGAL!
        Israeli Jews (and non-Jews) are restricted under International Law and the Geneva Conventions, to only being able to legally settle in actual Sovereign Israeli territory.

        Anything an apologist for Israel says is very likely the opposite, so poisoned is their thinking

  11. can of worms
    July 29, 2015, 9:43 pm

    I wasn’t satisfied with MB’s response here:

    Q: “I have a friend who was in Paris…[who] fully understands the role of Israel…she understands ‘islamophobia,” too, but she went out there and marched… I challenged her on it when I saw her, why… and she said one, it’s the first time we Parisians who are usually so on our own came out in solidarity…and two, it was this violent attack ,we thought, on our rights…What do you make of that?…People who are kind of progressive…but who were out marching?”

    A:
    (1) I couldn’t find any [Muslims/immigrants] who defended the attacks.
    (2) ‘their’ ‘identification with Al Qaeda’ comes from alienation…and your friend might not understand that.
    (3) there is obliviousness to minority experience.

    My problem is that there is an implicit question which MB ignores, and one could almost say MB is here an example of, which is, why people who are otherwise informed about global events, and who “should know better,” get sucked into government propaganda and French government narratives that are full of internal inconsistencies in the first place.

    • can of worms
      July 29, 2015, 9:59 pm

      But the other real problem with the MB reply to the Q about “people who are kind of progressive…but who were out marching”, is that the question is really about false consciousness.

      To this MB does not respond in points (1), (2) or (3).

      • can of worms
        July 30, 2015, 2:36 am

        The Q is the same as in the “duped” article: people aren’t hermetically sealed against alternate information. No one is deluded only b/c of the MSM: alternate resources are not only out there, but free. So what do people themselves desire, since evidently there’s a gap between that, and what they think they desire. You have to wonder, when they themselves tell you that what they desire is “Parisians coming out in solidarity” as a horde, issues aside. Or when a particular issue does surface it’s about a “violent attack” on our freedoms – perverse.

        And then, what got me was that MB sort of went talking on about how Muslims didn’t defend the attacks. That’s all we do, disclaim endorsement of attacks, until even we believe maybe we did it.

        Lastly if you chance upon a golden crisis of rich uncertainty, a huge shining epistemic crisis, why throw it into the sea.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 2:41 am

        “people who are kind of progressive…but who were out marching”, is that the question is really about false consciousness.

        no, he addresses false consciousness (references it as “obliviousness”). he says they are segment of population who “never experienced speech being wielded against them in a hateful derogatory was to demonize them collectively as a group…”(9:05).

        so that’s very much about ‘false consciousness’.

        it also addresses your observation why people who are otherwise informed about global events, and who “should know better,” get sucked into government propaganda and French government narratives that are full of internal inconsistencies in the first place.

        this is why both jews and muslims are both, or have both been, subject to this kind of isolation and discrimination and “incitement” as minorities.( did you watch the vimeo? as i recall it is the woman speaking around 45 (or perhaps 35) minutes in) whereas the people who literally don’t notice this discrimination in french society, which he called “obliviousness” are those in the middle.

        watch it again, both videos. i believe you’re mistaken. he addresses it w/paul jay and he really addresses it in the vimeo.

      • can of worms
        July 30, 2015, 2:52 am

        @Annie, i saw it, i got it, and I wasn’t too convinced there existed any population who “never experienced speech being wielded against” them. I don’t know, ” “obliviousness” are those in the middle” was kinda weak by itself, & largely it was the initial rambling about Muslims not defending the attacks that I guess bristled my fur. It was a good Q.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 3:10 am

        wasn’t too convinced there existed any population who “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

        really? because i can state categorically i’ve never experienced a public media meme/display of hate speech wielded against .. me. not once did i ever fear (except in my wildest dreams) being rounded up and incarcerated for my beliefs. i am not subject to DWB, no one is hunting me down because of my religious (or non religious) affiliations. no one is telling me i can’t appear in public dressed as who i am. no one is spitting on me because i wear something on my head or covering my hair. it’s just not my reality. because i’m (just) white. i can fantasize but i don’t really have any idea what it is to live w/discrimination 24/7. sitting at a bus stop being stared at w/suspicion… really not my reality.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 3:14 am

        “never experienced speech being wielded against” them.

        as an exercise, got any hate speech targeting white soccer moms?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 3:21 am

        ” “obliviousness” are those in the middle” was kinda weak by itself,

        i said that only quoting max wrt “obliviousness”. sorry it didn’t meet your standards.

        That’s all we do, disclaim endorsement of attacks

        that’s definitely not all max did. and wrt

        an implicit question which MB ignores

        he didn’t ignore it. you just were not satisfied with his response. and your 1,2,3 ignored his response.

      • John O
        July 30, 2015, 8:44 am

        @annie “i don’t really have any idea what it is to live w/discrimination 24/7.”

        Nor do I. But I remember a description from an African-American quoted by Studs Terkel some years ago: “It’s like walking around every day in the wrong-sized shoes.”

      • can of worms
        July 30, 2015, 10:08 am

        @ “no one is hunting me down because of my …[&c]”.

        Elsewhere I remember MB has been razor-sharp wrt the connection b/w whiteness and Zionism:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/others-interview-blumenthal
        where Zionism is “proscribed as part of the hegemonic narrative…used to advance the culture of whiteness.”

        It’s just that here, one of his main explanations for progressives in France joining the mass march, was that they didn’t know what it’s like to be in a hunted minority, and that explanation was weak. And so I’m trying to figure out why, as you have it, “it didn’t meet my standards”. Even ‘hunted minorities’ had joined the masses, as MB himself points out. And the Q here was specifically about progressives joining the mass march, i.e., those who are presumably already aligned with ‘hunted minorities’ — so there the question still stands.

        It is precisely a Q about ”obliviousness” — and if not obliviousness, what then?!

        Overall I have to say that looking back, my own argument was exactly the opposite of what i said —false consciousness (control from above)— as I was pushing the bottom-up case of people’s own self-split desires.

        On the other hand I was surely exaggerating. Probably right.

  12. MHughes976
    July 30, 2015, 3:23 pm

    Just to say that I believe in freedom of speech for everyone, meaning that the laws of every society should see to it, as well as they are able, that no one should be punished as a criminal or subject to private violence or vengeance because of the content of their ideas. I think that there may be limitation on the choice of times and places where ideas are to be expressed, so as to preserve public peace, relationships in the workplace and so on.
    There may well be restrictions on the use of megaphones and such like: no one should be compelled to listen. The other side of this is that if I don’t like what I hear I can walk away or if I wish to I can answer back, myself having free speech too.
    I have sometimes had bad things said about me and I have wanted the people concerned to shut up and wanted this quite badly. This doesn’t give me the right to destroy or disturb public peace by using force. In very extreme circumstances there are laws about libel etc.m but these can be very damaging themselves.
    I note with great concern that the UK government is moving towards prohibition of ‘extremism without violence’ and I can see that the proposition that Zionism is morally illegitimate, which I consider to be true, could in some circumstances be regarded as extremist. But then I want the likes of Pamela Geller to be allowed her say too, even though I have little intention of listening to such, meaning that I want the option of showing impatience or even contempt by ignoring her remarks or the opportunity to answer them should I choose. I can neither ignore or answer what has been kept from me by censors.

  13. Qualtrough
    July 31, 2015, 2:37 am

    Annie – Thank you for one of the best ‘burns’ I have seen on the Internet. Unfortunately the victim probably doesn’t know shame, but it was amusing to see nonetheless.

  14. ivri
    July 31, 2015, 6:24 am

    Max`s claim that Israel is playing the Islamophobic card is unfair and shows a biased attitude. Muslims played a big role, although admittedly not exclusive, in anti-Israel campaigns in France. What Israel may be doing – trying to point out to the French public similarities between Israel`s and France`s situations – has nothing to do with hate speech (anti-Israel propaganda style) but is the obvious PR thing to do in such circumstances (advancing Israel`s political interests) .
    In addition there is the side benefit of neutralizing Muslim`s ability to spend too much time on Israel/Jews since it keeps them busy protecting their own backs. Are not both of the above an integral part of conflicts 101?

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