‘If we don’t take out Iran,’ it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel — Steven Emerson to Times Square rally

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Last night there was a big rally in Times Square in NY calling on Senator Chuck Schumer (among others) to kill the Iran deal. Among the speakers: former Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau, presidential hopeful George Pataki, Rep. Trent Franks (R-Arizona), Israeli journalist Caroline Glick and Alan Dershowitz. And one of the featured speakers was Steven Emerson, the expert on terrorism who has worked for many Israel lobby groups and appeared on Fox News and is controversial even in the mainstream media.

What follows is the ending of Emerson’s speech. He was widely cheered by the crowd of several thousands (though a passerby called out that he was “brainwashed”).

The president in 2009 when he was running for reelection [sic], said three things. He said, one, I will not allow Iran to get a nuclear bomb. He said two, All options are on the table– a diplomatic euphemism for military strike. And three, No deal is better than a bad deal.

Anti-Iran rally flyer

Anti-Iran rally flyer

Well, all three were lies. All three of them he went back on. And since that time, we have a bad deal, Iran gets the bomb, and there’s no military capability any more to deter Iran.
So now we have the situation that unless Congress acts, I believe ultimately, it’s going to be left up to a military strike to take out the Iranian capabilities to take out the world. If we don’t take out Iran, they will take out us. And if the United States government, which is comprised of you– not Obama, not his secretary of state, not his administration, not the Congress– it’s the American people that decide. And it’s up to you to force your representatives your Congressmen, your Senators to say, No no no. Because if you don’t your children will never forgive you– never forgive you for not protecting this country from a holocaust. For not protecting the state of Israel from a holocaust that will occur assuredly just as it did 70 years ago.

Rarely in our lives do we have an opportunity to change history. Now is the time to do it, and it’s your responsibility all of ours, to go do it.

Others at the rally were cooler than Emerson, assuredly. But his call for a war with Iran was widely shared there. And I do not think the American people share it. Supporters of the Iran deal have been concerned by the Pew Poll showing widespread American skepticism about Iran. I believe if we highlight what opponents of the deal are saying, and what they regard as the alternatives to the deal, we can give Americans some home-grown folks to be skeptical of– and solidify support for the deal.

Below is my picture of a poster at the rally saying that Obama, Hillary Clinton, and “the same old Europe” are supporting Iran’s state plan of genocide against Jews and its use of “portable gas chambers.” I asked that guy how much of his sign he believes. “All of it.”

 

Times Square rally, 7/22/2015, poster about Obama allowing Iran to set up gas chambers

Times Square rally, 7/22/2015, poster about Obama allowing Iran to set up gas chambers

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  1. michelle
    July 23, 2015, 1:15 pm

    .
    looks more like the ‘brain on drugs’
    from the sound of the person it
    might be a bad lsd trip
    someone should get him mental help
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Giles
      July 23, 2015, 4:25 pm

      These people are playing with fire.

      An obviously largely Jewish and completely pro Israel crowd gathering in Times Square to push for war with Iran against the wishes and best efforts of the President and the American public.

      Is it just arrogance?

      Do they really believe this loyalty to a foreign nation at the expense of America can never backfire on them?

      Or is it sicker than that? Must they push and push until there is a reaction against them, which they will then interpret as anti-Semitism, proving the accuracy of their worldview?

      • michelle
        July 23, 2015, 9:16 pm

        .
        Hello Giles
        may your life and all life around you be blessed
        m
        .
        don’t addicts/or the worst of sinners think/or say the world is against them
        .
        one wonders how to handle an addict in the family
        the world is a family Isreal is the addict
        stop all abuse
        stop the enabler
        stop any unhealthy relationships
        when the addict yells cries calls ‘you’ names think about life if this effort fails
        tough love
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • niass2
        July 24, 2015, 12:05 am

        Are you sure That’s What That is? It actually looks like a picture of the Grateful Dead’s 50th anniversary celebration, in Lot B, prior to the 1st Night in Santa Clara, 6/27/15, close to where the magical liquid existed and was consumed.

        Is that what that is?

        What the hell is that?.

        It’s a huge Psilocybin Mushroom. Picked in Oregon, 8 hours prior.

        That’s for those who prefer shrooms for the peak events to come.

        They ate it I suppose before the show.

        I guess it doesn’t matter anyways.

      • rosross
        July 24, 2015, 8:14 am

        Those vested agendas who push this sort of stupidity want nothing more than for Americans to turn on their Jewish population so that the fantasy of Israel as a ‘safe haven’ for Jews under threat can be demonstrated and so that Israel then has ’cause’ to try to kill or drive out the nearly six million Palestinians it holds under its military occupation.

        So, yes, your last comment is spot-on although I doubt the ‘sheep’ involved in such protests see it like that.

      • RockyMissouri
        July 24, 2015, 1:57 pm

        An excellent comment. Your last sentence is very honest, IMO.

        You are ALL (mostly) so brilliant with your observations and comments. I am inept with expressing my questions, and do not want to offend anyone.

        Thank you, for sharing your views.

      • JWalters
        July 24, 2015, 6:25 pm

        A tragically appropriate post. Regardless of the details of their thinking, most of this crowd are suckers. A few, plausibly including Dershowitz, are in on the scam.

      • Mooser
        July 25, 2015, 11:02 am

        “Or is it sicker than that? Must they push and push until there is a reaction against them, which they will then interpret as anti-Semitism, proving the accuracy of their worldview?”

        Well, then, Giles, you could foil their dastardly plot by simply not giving them that reaction!

    • James Canning
      July 24, 2015, 6:33 pm

      One wonders if Steve Emerson is an idiot.

    • Giles
      July 25, 2015, 12:28 pm

      “Well, then, Giles, you could foil their dastardly plot by simply not giving them that reaction! ”

      Mooser, it ain’t gonna be more or fellow liberals and anti-racists that have this reaction.

      If it comes, it will come from the racists on the Right.

      You know, the same people the Zionists currently have protesting the building or Muslim centers and screaming about Sharia Law.

      And it will not be measured or target only those deserving of rage. It never is.

  2. hophmi
    July 23, 2015, 1:34 pm

    All I can say is that while Emerson is a fearmongerer extraordinaire, it’s not much of an argument to say that the American people don’t share his view. The American people didn’t think that Japan would attack Pearl Harbor or that the Nazis would murder most of Europe’s eleven million Jews either.

    • Giles
      July 23, 2015, 1:50 pm

      Most people didn’t think that the victims of the Nazis would then turn around and victimize a people on a different continent who had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

      • Les
        July 23, 2015, 6:06 pm

        Most people didn’t imagine what the Nazis would do in the name of self-defense after the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto took their pitiful arms hidden in underground tunnels and began firing at their occupiers. Most people know what Israel will do in the name of self-defense when Palestinians fire their toy rockets at their nuclear armed occupier.

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 2:49 pm

      No government allows its citizens to see what it does not want them to see; in the USA, it was a little different for awhile (the “Fourth Estate”), especially during the Vietnam War when the military draft made it so, but no longer. That’s why Snowden is such a hero for mankind. You are correct, American people don’t get honesty from their government , but, you’re wrong in that, when informed, they don’t want to fight more wars for rogue Israel. US corporate main media no longer is anything but a propaganda machine; it does not do “informed consent,”

      • hophmi
        July 23, 2015, 3:36 pm

        “but, you’re wrong in that, when informed, they don’t want to fight more wars for rogue Israel.”

        You mean for Saudi Arabia and Bahrain?

        I don’t think the specter of an Iranian nuke falling into the hands of anti-American terrorists falls under “threat to Israel.”

        “I hope Dick and Jane show up in tens of thousands and inform these maniacs that no more American blood will be wasted on Israel,s behalf.”

        Not a drop of American blood has ever been spilled on “Israel’s behalf.” American blood spilled in Iraq was spilled because America had a President who thought toppling Saddam would be a nice way to avenge his dad, among other things. The invasion of Iraq, pushed by George Bush and Dick Cheney, who are as Jewish as the Ayatollah Khamanei is, was purely an American project, and people shouldn’t be relieving America of responsibility for it by blaming the Jews, as Phil Weiss does.

      • amigo
        July 23, 2015, 4:00 pm

        “Not a drop of American blood has ever been spilled on “Israel’s behalf.” American blood spilled in Iraq was spilled because America had a President who thought toppling Saddam would be a nice way to avenge his dad, among other things. The invasion of Iraq, pushed by George Bush and Dick Cheney, who are as Jewish as the Ayatollah Khamanei is, was purely an American project, and people shouldn’t be relieving America of responsibility for it by blaming the Jews, as Phil Weiss does. ” hopknee

        Really?.

        “The Prime Minister is no stranger to making pronouncements to Congress. In 2002, in the lead- up to the disastrous U.S. invasion of Iraq, he said this: “If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region”. Too bad that wasn’t a money-back guarantee; the U.S. would have quite a check due from Mr. Netanyahu if it had been. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/deconstructing-netanyahus-response#sthash.HbZxHuu4.dpuf

        Does that come under the heading of “Among other things”.

        Btw, no one mentioned , “The Jews”.

      • Mooser
        July 23, 2015, 6:14 pm

        “was purely an American project, and people shouldn’t be relieving America of responsibility for it by blaming the Jews, as Phil Weiss does.”

        That was no “gentleman”, that was Phil Weiss!

      • zaid
        July 23, 2015, 11:37 pm

        homphi

      • hophmi
        July 24, 2015, 6:39 am

        Sorry, is Netanyahu the only person in the world who advocated war in Iraq? I believe most of Congress supported it.

      • zaid
        July 24, 2015, 9:16 am

        In your first comment you denied any involvement of israel in pushing US to war with Iraq, and now your argument changed to ” it is not only israel”……..

        so we did accomplish something with you after all.

    • Shingo
      July 23, 2015, 5:06 pm

      it’s not much of an argument to say that the American people don’t share his view.

      We’ll remind you if that the next time you Hasvarats cute polls showing Anerican support for Israel.

      • hophmi
        July 25, 2015, 11:13 am

        You remind me of that all the time. It just shows your hypocrisy. You use polling when it benefits you, and ignore it when it doesn’t. Everyone can lie with statistics.

        But really, don’t delude yourselves. The neo-Nazi-like threat MRW made about non-Jewish Americans waking up when they find out that the Jews are undermining their national interest, the one where he blamed the Jews themselves for getting expelled by Christian European societies during the Middle Ages, the one that several of you +1ed, won’t come to pass.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 25, 2015, 12:00 pm

        blamed the Jews themselves for getting expelled by Christian European societies during the Middle Ages

        not really. he just didn’t reference them all as a benign presence.

      • hophmi
        July 26, 2015, 5:37 pm

        “not really. he just didn’t reference them all as a benign presence.”

        Seriously, what is wrong with you? Are you blind or just stupid?

        “There’s a reason why Jews were kicked out of many countries over the centuries, and it wasn’t because of their religion. It was because, as a concentrated group (a highly educated and wealthy group, unlike those still living in shtetls), they pulled shit like this threatening the national interest of the ruler and its people. ”

        This is EXACTLY the kind of thing Adolf Hitler used to say. It’s the kind of thing neo-Nazis say today.

        It is unadulterated hate speech.

      • Kris
        July 26, 2015, 6:40 pm

        @hophmi: (This statement by MRW) “is unadulterated hate speech.”

        MRW’s statement:

        “There’s a reason why Jews were kicked out of many countries over the centuries, and it wasn’t because of their religion. It was because, as a concentrated group (a highly educated and wealthy group, unlike those still living in shtetls), they pulled shit like this threatening the national interest of the ruler and its people. ”

        Hophmi, you think people who don’t identify this as “hate speech” are “blind or stupid.” I honestly don’t understand why this is “hate speech,” but if you would explain, maybe I could catch on.

        You are angry because you think people are deliberately not understanding something that is very clear to you, and maybe you are too upset to help me with this. But I would appreciate help with understanding this, if anyone has a few minutes to explain what makes this “hate speech.”

        MRW seems to be saying that there have been times in history when Jewish groups of wealthy, powerful people have been attacked because of the way they used the power they had, and not because of their religion. This seems probable to me, since I am aware of times in history when non-Jewish elites have been attacked for the same reason.

        If Jews have ever been attacked for reasons other than racism or religion, why would it be “hate speech” to say so?

        Or is Hophmi saying that MRW is lying in order to pretend that Jews are not always victims of racism/religious prejudice, since groups of Jews have never been attacked because of their behavior?

      • Keith
        July 26, 2015, 8:24 pm

        HOPHMI- “This is EXACTLY the kind of thing Adolf Hitler used to say.”

        Jeez, I didn’t know you were so interested in the words and philosophy of Hitler and the Nazis. Spend a lot of time in the archives, do you? And how thoughtful to use his full name so that we don’t confuse him with his brother Kyle.

        HOPHMI- “It’s the kind of thing neo-Nazis say today.”

        Been to Kiev talking to the fellas in Svaboda and Pravy Sektor? Were you able to chat with Victoria Nuland and George Soros? You Zionists always were able to get along with the Nazis and now neo-Nazis. Something I am sure I could never do.

      • RoHa
        July 26, 2015, 10:28 pm

        “It is unadulterated hate speech.”

        Is MRW’s claim true or false?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 28, 2015, 10:49 pm

        Seriously, what is wrong with you? Are you blind or just stupid?

        i read something i thought you might find interesting: http://forward.com/opinion/317923/israeli-study-finds-jews-fretful-as-israeli-actions-stir-bias/

        Far more alarming, the report says that Israel’s wars have a strong, direct impact on the relationships of Diaspora Jews to their surrounding communities and societies. Mainstream Jewish community leaders in several countries told the institute that there is an “automatic tendency” for the surrounding non-Jewish society to “view Jews as representatives of the pro-Israel position.”

        This has the direct result — as the institute initially noted last year, the current report points out — of “increasing the frequency and severity of harassment/attacks on Jews in various places around the world.”

        “This insight was particularly emphasized this year in light of the bloody incidents in the Jewish community of France,” the report says. It quotes a Jewish community leader from France saying: “Every time [Israel uses force] synagogues are burned.”

        Curiously, the report avoids the word “anti-Semitism” when describing these attacks as consequences of Israeli actions. No less curious, there’s an earlier chapter in the report, Chapter 8, that’s devoted exclusively to the rise in European anti-Semitism, essentially referring to those same attacks. But Chapter 8 never mentions the testimony by European Jewish leaders in Chapter 9 about a link between Israeli actions and attacks on European Jews. “Anti-Semitism” and “Israeli actions” don’t appear in the same chapter.

        In a way, the reticence is understandable. Drawing a causal link between European anti-Semitism and Israeli behavior — between any anti-Semitism and any Jewish behavior, for that matter — is taboo in current Jewish discourse, to the point that suggesting it is itself treated frequently as an anti-Semitic act. It must have been frightening for scholars operating in this environment to stumble across first-hand testimony that the link is real. Even more frightening when they’re preparing to face an Israeli cabinet some of whose ministers view criticism of Israeli military actions as tantamount to treason.

        taboo. how long do you think it has been taboo? the suggestion that anti semitism could, in fact, be a response to “Jewish behavior” or “israeli behavior”. and if it’s taboo today … maybe it was also taboo in the past. maybe scholars (historians) found in “frightening” in the past too, even when the stories they were recounting came from witnesses in the jewish community. maybe it was considered treason.

        This is EXACTLY the kind of thing Adolf Hitler used to say.

        intimidation.

    • Nevada Ned
      July 23, 2015, 7:56 pm

      ALL the US spy agencies (some 12-16 of them) have examined the Iranian situation and ALL have concluded that Iran has no nuclear weapons, AND that Iran doesn’t even have a program for obtaining nuclear weapons. This is impressive, in view of what must have been heavy pressure on the spy agencies to find Iranian nukes or at least a program.

      When the US built nuclear weapons in 1945, the Manhattan project employed over 150,000 people. A program that big just can’t be disguised. So don’t think that maybe a few scientists and technicians could make a nuclear bomb secretly.

      So who is clamoring for war with Iran? Israel. Hophmi evidently wasn’t paying attention, but Netanyahoo’s recent speech to Congress centered on the (nonexistent) Iranian nuclear weapons.

      You know who is REALLY dangerous? A country with nuclear weapons – Israel.

      Hitler’s insight – that a small lie is not believed, but a big lie is believed, if repeated often enough – is now being used by the Israelis and their US supporters, including some US Senators who really ought to register as agents of a foreign power.

      They have hundreds of nuclear weapons, a track record of invading their neighbors, leadership from the extreme right, and a dedication towards ethnic cleansing of non-Jews.

    • traintosiberia
      July 23, 2015, 11:26 pm

      Americans don’t believe that they would be able t live inside the Sun with enough cooling machine and wine coolers . Then they also didn’t believe that Soviet Russia would crumble overnight and Iraq war would last beyond 3 months.
      Its a dangerously uncertain world,I mean solar system.

    • talknic
      July 24, 2015, 12:11 am

      @ hophmi

      Most people didn’t think the Jewish state would breach Laws, a UN Charter and conventions adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. But it has. Most people didn’t think Israel would simply ignore the hundreds of opportunities it has been afforded via UNSC resolutions reminding it of the law, to adhere to the law. But it has.

      Iran meantime hasn’t illegally acquired any territory. Hasn’t illegally annexed any territory. Hasn’t encouraged its citizens to illegally settle in non-Iranian territory. Hasn’t started any preemptive wars in order to keep illegally acquired territory.

      BTW Accusations are not evidence, except of course if you’re a ziodunce. There’s absolutely no evidence what so ever that Iran is or wants to develop nukies.

    • rosross
      July 24, 2015, 8:22 am

      No-one expected the Japanese attack except for those few in the US Government/CIA who knew and perhaps a few who ‘encouraged’ it.

      No-one expected the Nazis to murder millions of people, including many Jews and no-one expected Stalin to murder 60 million either.

      The core difference between the attack on Pearl Harbour and the Nazis killing Romanies, Slavs, Homosexuals and followers of Judaism, is that the Japanese had the ability to attack Pearl Harbour and the Nazis had the ability to kill millions, but the Iranians do not have the ability to ‘set up’ the sort of ‘holocaust’ it is claimed the Nazis did, in Israel or Occupied Palestine, let alone the US. It is delusional.

      The Iranians could set out to kill their Jewish citizens who have consistently refused Israeli pleas to immigrate to Occupied Palestine, but why would they bother? I mean, what purpose could it serve to do so given the world outrage which would resort and the massive impact of sanctions and boycotts which would result?

      Ditto for seeking to find and exterminate Jews in neighbouring countries – why? Iran has attacked no-one for more than a century, why would they bother doing so to chase a few followers of Judaism? Israelis are the mad ones, not Iranians.

      These protests are just part of the Israeli/Jewish/Zionist propaganda machine which wants to start a war with Iran, under cover of which Israel can kill and/or drive out nearly six million Palestinians, and terrify more Jews around the world to come to Occupied Palestine as colonists.

      • michelle
        July 24, 2015, 11:23 am

        .
        seems like the Jewish people in Iran will have more
        concern about being killed by Israel/America
        ,
        G-d Bless
        .

      • MRW
        July 24, 2015, 4:45 pm

        Iran has attacked no-one for more than a century

        More than that. Not since 1798.

    • eGuard
      July 24, 2015, 9:13 am

      The American people don’t think Israel will use their nuclear bombs either.

      • RockyMissouri
        July 24, 2015, 2:13 pm

        When will Israel allow inspections……..???!

    • Boo
      July 24, 2015, 2:03 pm

      The American people don’t believe that 10,000 sampans full of Red Army cadres will come sailing over the horizon into San Diego, backed by 10,000 Mexican rapists storming across our Southern border, either.

      We know the difference between reality and boogeyman bedtime stories.

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2015, 10:00 pm

        Bill Tidy cartoon from the late 1960s. Captain looking at a small yacht sailing past his ship. Says to first officer, “I don’t like it, Evans. That’s the four millionth lone Chinese yachtsman we’ve seen on this voyage.”

    • eGuard
      July 25, 2015, 6:34 am

      a fearmonger… The American people didn’t think … Japan … the Nazis

      This “thinking” has nothing to do with mongered fear. It’s the opposite.

    • braciole
      July 27, 2015, 6:06 pm

      Providing succour to Holocaust deniers then hophmi by inflating the number of dead. It is generally accepted that only six million Jews were murdered. And please don’t insult my intelligence by replying that six million is most of eleven million.

  3. amigo
    July 23, 2015, 1:39 pm

    I hope Dick and Jane show up in tens of thousands and inform these maniacs that no more American blood will be wasted on Israel,s behalf.Let Israel know , they are free to attack Iran , but don,t come squealing like wounded rats looking for someone to save them from themselves.
    Wake up America.Dump Israel and regain whatever dignity you have left before you find yourselves meeting the body bags at the airport, again, only this time it wont be 5000 , it will be far higher.

    • Kris
      July 23, 2015, 2:55 pm

      A U.S. war on Iran would mean huge casualties, like the U.S. war on Vietnam. But this time the gullible Americans who send their sons to die may not take as long to figure out who lied to and manipulated them.

      • amigo
        July 23, 2015, 3:50 pm

        “But this time the gullible Americans who send their sons to die may not take as long to figure out who lied to and manipulated them.” Kris

        Hope you are right or this song will be popular again.

        https://www.google.ie/search?q=when+will+they+ever+learn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=20SxVbCDDIWhgwSy8JzQAw

      • RoHa
        July 23, 2015, 7:18 pm

        As I have pointed out before, the song needs very little editing. In the verse, “Vietnam” can be replaced by “old Iran”. For the chorus, replace “Vietnam” with (old spelling) “Teheran”.

        The only tricky lines are

        “But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
        They drop it on the Viet Cong. ”

        but I’m sure Mooser can fix that bit.

      • rosross
        July 24, 2015, 8:28 am

        A war against Iran would be worse than Vietnam. The Iranians are an ancient, sophisticated culture with levels of military capacity and efficiency far, far beyond what the Vietnamese had.

        Iran has the capacity to not just resist American and Israeli military intervention but to drop bombs on both countries.

        And the only way to completely destroy Iran would be with nuclear weapons which would kill millions in the Middle East, including Israelis and lay waste to much of the region, making it uninhabitable for a very long time. Iranian and Saudi oil would disappear in such an onslaught tipping the world into an economic meltdown of unimaginable proportions.

        In addition, waves of radiation would spread around the world, killing and injuring and polluting everyone, including Americans. It would not just be the ‘enemy’ experiencing deformities and stillbirths from depleted uranium as has happened to Iraqis and Afghans because of American/Allied wars, it would be everywhere, including the US.

        Anyone who thinks that a war against Iran would not be more devastating than either the First or Second World War is delusional.

        How much support do Israel and the US think they would get for spreading such death and destruction around the globe in the name of Zionist madness?

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2015, 8:00 pm

        I should point out that the Vietnamese have an ancient and sophisticated culture, and that they very quickly developed an Air Force that taught the USAF a few lessons.

        But you are right in that a war with Iran would be more devastating for the world than the Vietnam war.

      • Michael Lesher
        July 27, 2015, 5:04 pm

        Thanks for sharing this — it brings back memories. It also reminds me that decent people can fight back against propaganda. It won’t be a quick or easy struggle, but it can be won. And in any case it must be attempted.

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 2:58 pm

      @ amigo
      I share your sentiments, but USA now has a Hessian army. The 1% decide where they will be sent. The average American doesn’t care–they won’t be drafted.

      • amigo
        July 23, 2015, 3:46 pm

        “The average American doesn’t care–they won’t be drafted”.Citizen.

        The Hessian army is largely made up of poor working class kids who find it necessary to join through economic necessity.Not so sure they are mercenaries but you are right, the 1% will decide for them. Welcome to the American dream.

        There wont be any catalan,s in the ranks.

      • lysias
        July 23, 2015, 3:48 pm

        To fight a land war against Iran, at least a million-man army would be required. I don’t see how that can be done without a draft.

      • RoHa
        July 23, 2015, 7:24 pm

        Hessian? According to Wikipedia, it’s 50% nylon and 50% cotton.

  4. michelle
    July 23, 2015, 1:47 pm

    .
    as far as a new more wide spread Holocaust
    it’s here already it started at Palestine
    it’s been going on for generations
    the blood of the worlds children has run
    not to stop this Holocaust but rather to
    amp it up and spread it further

    Iran might be the balance/the key to ending
    this Middle East Holocaust in as peaceful a way
    as can be hoped for
    Iran might be the only key to unlock this problem
    .
    what is it with so called democracies and a-bombs
    democracy pretty words on paper just like the others
    the song remains the same only the names change
    think about it
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 3:02 pm

      The key reason Iran is demonized is that it’s the only state that proudly defends the Palestinian people. Watch who supports killing the Iran Deal.

      • michelle
        July 23, 2015, 5:24 pm

        .
        Hello Citizen
        may all your days & all the days of those you meet be filled to overflowing with Blessings
        m
        .
        America is Israels wooden puppet
        .
        the stage has been/is being set ‘America’ still plans to attack Iran with or without the support of the American people or the ‘rest’ of the world
        Israel moved beyond true justification a long long time ago
        .
        the only way to stop this injustice is for America to become a real country
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

  5. mikeo
    July 23, 2015, 1:52 pm

    All this f**cking sabre-rattling!
    These people are chicken-hawks personified.
    The Iranians are reckoned to have lost 500,000 – 1 million troops in the US sponsored war against Iraq.
    Let’s see what the Israeli’s or the American public can stomach…
    I’d say nothing even close to those numbers

    Are these folks in Times Square up for sending their children to die – or going to die themselves?
    Fat chance

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 3:05 pm

      I don’t recall Iran losing troops in the US sponsored war against Iraq; I do recall Iran losing many troops in the Iraq war against Iran, supported by USA. What am I missing?

      • msmoore
        July 23, 2015, 4:29 pm

        Citizen, mikeo misspoke him/herself. The war was Iraqi aggression against Iran, and there is no question that it was US sponsored. This is where the famous photograph came from of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. We also supplied Iraq with the chemical weapons (poison gas) they used against the Iranians as well as against the Kurds. It’s also worthy of mention that Iranian enmity toward us originates not from any kind of religious or cultural difference, but in the CIA sponsored overthrow of their elected government and the installation of the Shah. Our motive in that, as usual, was profit, the belief that we have a right to all the world’s wealth because we are powerful enough to take it.

      • mikeo
        July 23, 2015, 4:39 pm

        Yes, I’ve not expressed myself clearly.

        I meant the US sponsored Iraq in the the war which Iran fought against them (which Iraq started).

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 10:03 am

        “What am I missing?”

        I’m noticing that all the warmongers and chicken-hawks are at the “bombing” stage. We won’t have a war, the US will just neatly destroy the nuclear whatever-it-is with some of our smarter bombs.

      • ritzl
        July 24, 2015, 6:52 pm

        @msmoore- About 10 years ago I was watching CSPAN coverage of Robert Gates (then SecDef) testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC). It was a normal annual authorization hearing, but then one of the Senators asked Gates something to the effect of “Why did we support Iraq in that war?” Gates looked up with a shit-eating grin, and replied (wink, wink), “Senator, we supported both sides in that war.”

        I’ll never forget it, especially his little smile. Even then (1980s) we were OK with and/or wanted death and destabilization on a massive scale in the region, as policy. As an incrementalist (in terms of believing that our policy is unabashedly and murderously psychopathic at/from the top), it was a turning point for me. It’s clearly psycho.

        I wish I could find the clip, but I’ve searched over the years and no luck.

  6. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2015, 2:08 pm

    RE: ‘If we don’t take out Iran,’ it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel — Steven Emerson to Times Square rally

    OR, AS THE CHARLATAN/QUACK JOHN HAGEE PUTS IT:

    AND:

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 23, 2015, 7:58 pm

      P.S. AN H. L. MENCKEN ODE TO JOHN HAGEE:

      “Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of a car salesman.” — H L Mencken

      SOURCE – http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/deep-within-the-heart-of-every-evangelist-lies-the-wreck-of-a-car

      • JLewisDickerson
        July 23, 2015, 11:23 pm

        INTRODUCING MY NEW GRAVATAR/AVATAR/ICON:
        I just love family meals up at the villa! ! !

      • chuckcarlos
        July 24, 2015, 8:52 am

        and you probably most likely also do not believe that at the great final battle when a horde of uzbekian mounted swordsmen clash, near Kadesh in Syria, with the almighty’s army of God all dressed in white, and wipe them out…

        that the Anti-Christ dressed as Jack Nicholson accompanied by his host of mad Arabians under Daniel will claim victory

        and all we be judged by Poseidon sitting next to Jesus, dressed in white and resembling Charlie Manson, according to their deeds, whether imagined or not…

        THE RAPTURE

        The Bible is obviously true and unspoken and spoken writ of God who supersedes all including Vishnu…

        we pray for you soul…Mencken is lost to eternity in the dark steaming ovens of hell

  7. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2015, 2:13 pm

    RE: “So now we have the situation that unless Congress acts, I believe ultimately, it’s going to be left up to a military strike to take out the Iranian capabilities to take out the world. If we don’t take out Iran, they will take out us.” ~ expert nutjob Steve Emerson

    SEE: “The Pied Piper of Doom; The Apocalypticism of Benjamin Netanyahu”, by Lawrence Davidson, CounterPunch.org, March 6-8, 2015

    [EXCERPTS] On 3 March 2015 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came before the U.S. Congress and once again painted a false picture of Iran and its ambitions. His vision was both apocalyptic and simplistic: the state of Iran is evil and the source of most of the aggression and terrorism in the Middle East; it is eternally hostile to the West and it aims at the destruction of Israel; the West, with the United States leading the way, must stop this evil regime before it gains the capacity to use nuclear weapons.

    He has been saying this for at least twenty five years, and like the false prophecies predicting the end of the world, the alleged catastrophe never seems to occur. Iran never seems to come up with a nuclear bomb. However, Netanyahu never stops predicting it. . .

    . . . Therefore, the prime minister’s assertions tell us more about the worldview of Netanyahu and his allies than it does about Iran. It tells us that the facts make no difference. Netanyahu and his allies just know, “existentially,” that Iran is after nuclear weapons and plotting the destruction of Israel.

    Given this disconnect from reality, one can only assume that the prime minister of Israel and his associates are delusional – that is they cannot tell fact from fiction, or alternatively, that they are simply a liars. My feeling is that while the latter is certainly possible, I would not dismiss the former. Why so?

    Netanyahu, and indeed all Zionists of his sort, are committed ideologues. In other words, they do not start with objectively investigated facts as the basis of their worldview. Rather they start with an ideology (Zionism) with which all interpretations of the outside world must be made to conform. Zionism insists on the absolute right to a Jewish state in all of Palestine. For the true believer, anything that might stand in the way of this right must be fought without compromise. That is why there can be no compromise peace with the Palestinians. Their willingness to accept compromise must be ignored or denied. And that is why Iran, whose leaders have publicly, and accurately, called Zionism a dangerous ideology, must be denied any nuclear capacity at all. The fact that Iran’s activities in this regard are legal and peaceful must also be ignored, denied or distorted into something evil. That is the only way they will fit the strictures of ideology.

    People who are ideologically fixated can be like this – delusional and obsessive. In the ordinary workaday world they may or may not be annoying. However, if you give them power, their potential goes far beyond annoying to the point of being downright dangerous. That is where we are at with Benjamin Netanyahu.

    What sort of history underlies Netanyahu’s obsessive delusions? It is the history of European Jewry, which, for him, is overwhelmingly the history of anti-Semitism culminating in the Holocaust. For Netanyahu that history is ongoing. It can never really stop. Because this is so, he and others holding this view have expanded the threat of anti-Semitism beyond Europe into the Middle East. The Muslims of that region are the new Nazis and their leadership comes from Iran (which is really impossible due to the Shiite-Sunni divide – but no matter, facts don’t count). Finally, Israel stands in for all of Jewry and, of course, is in everlasting mortal danger.

    In the past month Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly claimed that anti-Semitism is growing worldwide and presents a threat not just to Israel, but to all the world’s Jews. Take for instance his mid-February declaration that sporadic terrorist episodes in Europe are a sign of rising, revitalized anti-Semitism. As he put it “Jews have been murdered again on European soil only because they are Jews” and the ultimate key to their safety is immigration to Israel – the same Israel he claims to be threatened with nuclear destruction. Both the president of France and the prime minister of Denmark, who do not share Netanyahu’s view of the world, scolded the Israeli leader for implying that native Jews were not integral members of their national communities and would not be protected.Netanyahu, and indeed all Zionists of his sort, are committed ideologues. In other words, they do not start with objectively investigated facts as the basis of their worldview. Rather they start with an ideology (Zionism) with which all interpretations of the outside world must be made to conform [much like a cult – J.L.D.]. Zionism insists on the absolute right to a Jewish state in all of Palestine. For the true believer, anything that might stand in the way of this right must be fought without compromise. That is why there can be no compromise peace with the Palestinians. Their willingness to accept compromise must be ignored or denied. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/06/the-apocalypticism-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 23, 2015, 2:14 pm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “Goldberg and the Amalekites”, by Daniel Luban, lobeLog.com, 17 May 2009

      [EXCERPT] Jeffrey Goldberg‘s latest op-ed in the New York Times contains the following interesting passage:

      I recently asked one of his advisers to gauge for me the depth of Mr. Netanyahu’s anxiety about Iran. His answer: “Think Amalek.”
      “Amalek,” in essence, is Hebrew for “existential threat.” Tradition holds that the Amalekites are the undying enemy of the Jews. They appear in Deuteronomy, attacking the rear columns of the Israelites on their escape from Egypt. The rabbis teach that successive generations of Jews have been forced to confront the Amalekites: Nebuchadnezzar, the Crusaders, Torquemada, Hitler and Stalin are all manifestations of Amalek’s malevolent spirit. If Iran’s nuclear program is, metaphorically, Amalek’s arsenal, then an Israeli prime minister is bound by Jewish history to seek its destruction, regardless of what his allies think.

      Strangely, Goldberg does not mention what is perhaps the most striking and well-known fact about the Amalekites: they were the targets of divinely sanctioned genocide. As related in 1 Samuel 15, God instructed the Israelite king Saul to “go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” Saul “utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword,” but spared their king Agag and the best of Amalek’s livestock, for which he was punished by God. When Saul’s successor David attacked the Amalekites (along with the Geshurites and Gezrites), he “smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive.” (1 Samuel 27:9).

      Unsurprisingly, these passages have been the subject of a great deal of commentary in the millenia since, and a number of rabbis have offered interpretations that seek (with varying degrees of success) to mitigate the apparent brutality of God’s command. But as Christopher Hitchens noted a few months ago, Amalek has also in recent decades become a rhetorical touchstone on the right-wing fringes of Israeli society, as rabbis such as Schmuel Derlich and Israel Hess have promoted the idea that the Palestinians are the new Amalekites and must be dealt with accordingly. Apparently Netanyahu has altered this line of thinking to identify the Amalekites with the Iranians rather than the Palestinians.

      Goldberg clearly does not wish to rattle his right-thinking liberal New York Times audience, so he conveniently omits all this from his account of Amalek. However, if Netanyahu’s advisors are right to say that Bibi sees Iran as the new Amalek, this is a fact with profoundly disturbing implications. After all, the biblically ordained way to deal with the Amalekites is not through “smart but tough” diplomacy, “crippling” sanctions, or even precise and targeted military strikes. Rather, it is through root-and-branch extermination — that is, wiping Iran off the map. Goldberg writes that “[i]f Iran’s nuclear program is, metaphorically, Amalek’s arsenal, then an Israeli prime minister is bound by Jewish history to seek its destruction, regardless of what his allies think.” This is not quite accurate. If we take God’s command and the Amalek analogy literally, then an Israeli prime minister would be bound not to seek “its [the Amalekite arsenal’s] destruction,” but rather “their [the Amalekites’] destruction.” . . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.lobelog.com/goldberg-and-the-amalekites/

      • traintosiberia
        July 23, 2015, 2:56 pm

        Certain types of fundamentalism isn’t fundamentalism. They are nostalgic memory for peaceful business as usual.
        Certain type of religious doctrines are not based on ” Sky God” but on dialogue and understanding of the eternal wishes of the forces that make us human . It is not expression of bigotry but simple attempt to follow the prescription from that wonderful forces of unknown ,scientific ” Sky God” when the science is based tribal entitlements and expectation of utter obedience from other .
        Certain kind of ” wiping off ” from any existence isn’t as ugly,barbarian,beyond pale ,uncivilized, as is the threat of destruction in ” wiping off the map” in fabricated sentence..
        Certain dangerous superstition isn’t superstition and neither dangerous at all when the enemy has been created by the superstition for temporal gain .

      • chuckcarlos
        July 24, 2015, 8:55 am

        you qualify

        you are a blasphemer and unrepentant sinner against God…

        In your tent you probably, most likely let women who are menstruating sleep?…

        and before the lord commandeth, you pick the fruit of the tree?

        and you don’t stone your unruly children?

        we of the Church of Elvis, pray for your soul…

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 10:07 am

        “and you don’t stone your unruly children?”

        Everybody must get stoned, especially those rainy day women.

      • jon s
        July 25, 2015, 2:11 pm

        In Jewish tradition the Amalekites symbolize evil, which is why” Nebuchadnezzar, the Crusaders, Torquemada, Hitler and Stalin ” could be referred to as “Amalek”.
        On the other hand, the Arabs – including the Palestinians – are seen , in the same tradition, as “Yishma’elim”, descendants of Abraham’s son Yishmael, and , as such, our “cousins”.

  8. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2015, 2:24 pm

    RE: The photo of the inflatable mushroom cloud

    MY COMMENT: Iran180 at work again! ! !

    FOR BACKGROUND ON ‘IRAN 180’, SEE: “Pro-Israel Lobby Uses Sexual Humiliation, Gay Pornography in Anti-Iran Propaganda War”, by Richard Silverstein, TikunOlam, 6/11/12

    [EXCERPT] Ben Doherty published an illuminating report at Electronic Intifada about a new initiative by the American Jewish pro-Israel lobby to smear Iran. There are so many that it wouldn’t be newsworthy but for the fact that this new group, Iran180, created under the auspices of the New York Jewish Community Relations Council, is using sexual humiliation and abuse as a political tool smearing Iran’s president.
    At San Francisco’s 2011 Gay Pride parade, Iran180 hosted a float which featured a huge papier-mache Ahmadinejad figure with his pants down being sodomized by a presumably Israeli nuclear missile. The original caption accompanying this image was: “Ahmadinejad Getting Fu**ed in the Ass with a Nuclear Weapon.” Another image featured here shows the Iranian president fellating the same missile. All these are more are linked from the Iran180 site to its Flickr gallery. Another image features Bashar Assad and Ahmadinejad celebrating their gay marriage under a chupah, a Jewish wedding canopy. As shocking as this is (and it is), sleuthing the origins of this group and exposing why it’s presenting such shameful imagery as a form of political discourse in the U.S. is even more instructive. It shows the vast pro-Israel/anti-Iran conspiracy at work in this country seeking any possible opening or advantage in the run-up to Israeli war against Iran. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2012/06/11/pro-israel-lobby-uses-sexual-humiliation-in-anti-iran-propaganda-war/

    P.S. ALSO SEE: “Coalition partners don’t associate with astroturfing ‘Iran 180′”, by Allison Deger, Mondoweiss, 6/29/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/coalition-partners-dont-associate-with-astroturfing-iran-180.html

  9. Annie Robbins
    July 23, 2015, 2:29 pm

    phil, how many people would you guess were there?

  10. Rodneywatts
    July 23, 2015, 2:36 pm

    As a citizen of “the same old Europe” I can only read your report, Phil, and wonder ‘ are these people for real?…’ That poster beggars belief, but with that super moral legal genius Alan Dershowitz, whose fame in connection with one of our royalty has spread to Europe, on the platform, it must be me who needs to adjust my beliefs…..

    Whilst I appreciate how uncomfortable most readers of MW in the US must be with the anti-Iran Deal rhetoric, the truth is that most of the world is for the deal and the US nowadays just does not have the clout to overturn it. My hope is that within a year the benefits of this deal will be tangible, even in the US and that even more Jews of conscience will appear as the false doctrines of zionism and ‘poor little Israel’ become more and more exposed.

    In the meanwhile, MW, continue to inform on who the real terrorists and their supporters are, until we see a liberated Palestine and more semblance of peace throughout the ME.

  11. Kay24
    July 23, 2015, 2:44 pm

    I wonder how many shekels it took to organize this circus. What’s with these zionist props, from the cartoon bomb at the UN and this crude mushroom cloud, they all look cheap and amateurish.

    I wonder how many of these clowns will go to the front lines and face the Iranian forces should Obama listen to them and decide to bomb Iran…..any guesses?

    They want to attack Iran so easily knowing very well that it will be the poor American kids who have to die and shed blood, for their zionist thirst for war. It must be easy to manipulate the world’s superpower into sending troops and using our resources to kill innocent civilians in these Islamic nations. They did it before, so they try again. They are using scare tactics reminding people of the holocaust again. Those who prefer war over any deal are scum of the earth.

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 6:59 pm

      @ Kay24
      Any Americans who would support sending American troops to fight Iran deserve to at least get what they give. Dick Chaney and Bill Kristol deserve to be tried and convicted as war criminals. When will our children be educated as to Zionism, as they have to Nazism, Fascism, Communism? How about their parents? What do we do about Hagee types?

      • Giles
        July 23, 2015, 7:35 pm

        Communism is an economic system wherein the workers own the companies the work for, instead of it being owned by non working investors. It is vilified because its the last thing the rich capitalist owners would ever want. They conflate communism with totalitarianism. Actually, I think democracy and communism is a far better fit than democracy and capitalism.

        I don’t see how communism deserves to be grouped with Naziism, fascism, and Zionism

      • tokyobk
        July 23, 2015, 11:16 pm

        Giles-

        “communists” that is Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists and Kim Juche-ists etc… have done there fair share in fact more than to conflate communism with totalitarianism and to vilify the system they purported to represent.

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 12:52 pm

        “Communism is an economic system wherein the workers own the companies the work for, instead of it being owned by non working investors.”

        I do believe in most countries which called themselves “Communist” the state owned the means of production, and would hopefully run it to the benefit of the workers. Oh, and the state, of course.

  12. traintosiberia
    July 23, 2015, 2:45 pm

    Steven Emerson? Have we heard his name before somewhere in Florida ? He accused a newspaper of defamation. Newspaper stood by the report that he lied to people on terrorism .
    He withdrew.

    He is a liar and also ignorant .
    10,000 people showed up . Where were they when Israel was decimating Gaza ?

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 7:16 pm

      Cheering spunky little Israel for defending itself against thousands of terror rockets?

    • bryan
      July 24, 2015, 4:10 am

      Stephen Emerson is, according to British PM, David Cameron, “clearly a complete idiot”. The remark was prompted when Emerson claimed, entirely on the basis of hearsay, that Birmingham (England) was populated entirely by Muslims and was a “no go area” for non-Muslims, and that in London, “Muslim religious police ‘beat’ anyone who doesn’t dress according to Muslim, religious Muslim attire”. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Emerson#Comments_on_Fox_News_about_Birmingham.2C_England)

      The fact that he could make such remarks indicates that he is delusional, entirely lacking in common sense, does not live in the real world, and has no respect at all for evidence and truth. Indeed the fact that this hysterical rally had to resort to three cynically manipulative and duplicitous crackpots (like Emerson, Dershowitz and Glick) tells us all we need to know about the rabid fury that is being so assiduously cultivated by the lunatic fringe of extremist Zionism. I am surprised that Hophmi did not get an invite to address this circus.

  13. yonah fredman
    July 23, 2015, 3:18 pm

    This rally was not designed to lead the charge against the pact. This rally was designed for right wing Jewish New Yorkers to express themselves on this issue. Ultimately the bill will depend on Obama convincing a sufficient number of Congressmen from his own party that they must back their president. That argument will not be focused near the rhetoric of Steven Emerson or the temperament of New York right wing Jews.

    Now is the time for Colin Powell to step forward. He backed Obama for president and if he indeed backs this pact it would behoove him to say so and it would behoove Obama to get his support on the record.

    • Kris
      July 23, 2015, 6:12 pm

      Colin Powell???? You mean, General Colin Powell, who deliberately lied before the UN in order to get support for the U.S. crimes of aggression against Iraq?

      Colin Powell made his Iraq presentation at the United Nations on February 5th, 2003.

      As much criticism as Powell has gotten for this — he calls it “painful” and says, “I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying” — it hasn’t been close to what he deserves. That’s because there’s no question that Powell was consciously lying: he fabricated “evidence” and ignored repeated warnings that what he was saying was false.

      We know this because of some good reporting and what’s seeped into the public record via one of the congressional investigations of pre-war Iraq intelligence. The record is still incomplete, because Congress never bothered to look at how Powell used the intelligence he received, and the corporate media has never taken a close look at what happened. But with what’s available we can go through Powell’s presentation line by line to demonstrate the chasm between what he knew and what he told the world. As you’ll see, there’s quite a lot to say about it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html

      The same Colin Powell is also a war criminal https://consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html who helped in the attempt to cover up the My Lai massacre in Vietnam:

      Author Nick Turse wrote of My Lai that, “Over four hours, members of Charlie Company methodically slaughtered more than five hundred unarmed victims, killing some in ones and twos, others in small groups, and collecting many more in a drainage ditch that would become an infamous killing ground. They faced no opposition. They even took a quiet break to eat lunch in the midst of the carnage. Along the way, they also raped women and young girls, mutilated the dead, systematically burned homes, and fouled the area’s drinking water.”

      U.S. General William Westmoreland, the overall commander of the U.S. forces in Vietnam, began what would be a yearlong cover-up by congratulating Charlie Company for doing an “outstanding job” in the slaughter at My Lai. Colin Powell, then a major charged with investigating some initial charges of extensive brutality by soldiers of the Americal Division against Vietnamese civilians, summed up in his report: “In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal Division soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.”

      Finally, in November 1969, reporters brought the first news of the My Lai massacre to the world’s attention, a year and a half after it had happened. The name My Lai became seared into the minds of millions of people across the world. My Lai was, and remains, synonymous with the atrocities—the towering war crimes—the U.S. committed upon the Vietnamese people.

      Maybe Zionists are predisposed to respect liars and war criminals?

      • Citizen
        July 23, 2015, 7:19 pm

        Let me check to see what Mr. Cosby has to say about Mr. Powell. Maybe I will chat with Mr. Obama too…

      • Marnie
        July 24, 2015, 6:00 am

        “Maybe Zionists are predisposed to respect liars and war criminals?”

        Yeah, because they’ve got balls. Peace loving pussies, not at all. As a matter of fact, when my daughter was in high school her shelach teacher (army) announced that people who were against war and soldiers who refused to fight were a danger to society and enemies of the Jewish people (this was your basic public school).

        If your hands are bloody, you can be trusted to do what’s best for the zionist state.

    • Mooser
      July 24, 2015, 10:10 am

      “Now is the time for Colin Powell to step forward.”

      Nah-nah-nah, Yonah! I went to Staples and bought a three-pack of screen-wipes! Do your worst, I’m ready for you!

    • yonah fredman
      July 25, 2015, 7:41 am

      My assessment of the predominant political instinct of the crew here at MW is that you don’t know diddly about winning elections or congressional votes.

      Colin Powell is the only possible republican candidate that would probably defeat Hillary Clinton. People around here like Jon Kerry, good enough, it’s okay if you like unpopular heroes. but then they go and say he should run for president. Jon Kerry is the only democratic candidate to lose the popular vote for presidency since Michael Dukakis lost it in 1988. every democratic candidate except for jon kerry won the popular vote and the people here at mw are touting him as a candidate.

      Colin Powell is not my hero, but he could help Obama on this vote and that’s all my comment reflected upon; his popularity and ability to help Obama on this vote.

      The MW crowd here would love for Obama to lose the vote, for that would show the Israel Lobby’s power and make Americans hate the Israel Lobby. Well, I do not want Obama to lose the vote. And therefore my thoughts went in this direction.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 25, 2015, 12:18 pm

        The MW crowd here would love for Obama to lose the vote

        source? or is this just one of your theories? (sorry, i have not checked the thread) did anyone think this? if the deal goes down we could be fast approaching ww3. do you seriously think anyone here would think bringing down the lobby is worth ww3? besides, the vote going thru is a sign the lobby is squashed, not powerful. that’s all we want.

        People around here like Jon Kerry

        as a presidential candidate? where do you come up w/this stuff yonah?

  14. lysias
    July 23, 2015, 3:30 pm

    A holocaust in the U.S.? What on earth is that man talking about?

    • Kay24
      July 23, 2015, 5:32 pm

      Yet another attempt to use the holocaust for doomsday scenarios. This is sheer bull that the zionist keep regurgitating. The irony of it is, it is Iran that should be afraid of what Israel might do, after all they do have so many nuclear weapons, and it is the zionists who are blood thirsty for war. The ugly manner in which they keep urging the US Congress to not allow the deal go through shows they prefer the zionist way of “bombing people and cities to the stone age”.

    • chuckcarlos
      July 24, 2015, 9:02 am

      1. Attack on Pearl Harbor?

      2. The Great San Francisco Earthquake?

      3. The Rapture?

      4. Puerto Rico becoming a State?

      5. Bruce Jenner?

      6. Burt Reynolds on Jeopardy?

  15. amigo
    July 23, 2015, 3:35 pm

    Some of the names on the flier.

    The first one is ,”America for a safe Israel.

    2, Americans for peace and tolerance.
    3, Human rights coalition against radical Islam.
    4, International committee for the land of Israel.
    5, Proclaiming Justice to the Nations.
    6,Simon Wiesenthal Center.
    7, Israel Independence fund.
    8, One Family overcoming terrorism together.
    9,Jewish National Fund.
    10, The Jewish political Education Foundation , inc.
    11, Young Jewish concerns.
    12, One Israel Fund.
    13, Jcc Watch .org.
    14, The Investigative Project on Terrorism.
    15,Republican Jewish coalition.

    What a cornucopia of zionist hate/deceipt and just look at the names they use, Eg, “Proclaiming Justice to the nations”. Who do these a–holes think they are kidding.

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 23, 2015, 4:24 pm

      RE: “Who do these a–holes think they are kidding” ~ amigo

      H. L. MENCKEN: “Nobody every went broke underestimating the American people.”

      P.S. Great list! Thanks.

      • amigo
        July 23, 2015, 4:53 pm

        “P.S. Great list! Thanks.” JLD

        Your welcome.It couldn,t be in better hands.

      • HarryLaw
        July 23, 2015, 5:23 pm

        JLewisDickerson. Your typo is far too kind to the American people, what H.L. Mencken said was..
        “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

      • JLewisDickerson
        July 23, 2015, 7:23 pm

        Thanks Harry! That’s the way I remembered it but for some reason when I googled it the other version (sans typo) turned up and my internet is barely working today so I just went with it.

        “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” ~ H. L. Mencken
        SOURCE – http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke137243.html

        P.S. OTHER MENCKEN QUOTES – http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/H._L._Mencken/31

        P.P.S. AN H. L. MENCKEN ODE TO JOHN HAGEE:
        “Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of a car salesman.” — H L Mencken
        SOURCE – http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/deep-within-the-heart-of-every-evangelist-lies-the-wreck-of-a-car

      • JLewisDickerson
        July 23, 2015, 7:45 pm

        A FEW MORE H.L.MENCKEN GEMS:

        “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H. L. Mencken
        SOURCE – http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke101109.html

        “Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule – and both commonly succeed, and are right.” – H.L. Mencken
        SOURCE – https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken

        “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.” – H. L. Mencken
        SOURCE – http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke101109.html

        “I believe in only one thing: liberty; but I do not believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.” – H. L. Mencken
        SOURCE – http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke157544.html

        JUSTIN RAIMONDO: . . . I’m reminded of what H. L. Mencken had to say about America in the third volume of his Prejudices:

        “Here, more than anywhere else I know of or have heard of, the daily panorama of human existence, of private and communal folly—the unending procession of governmental extortions and chicaneries, of commercial brigandages and throat-slittings, of theological buffooneries, of aesthetic ribaldries, of legal swindles and harlotries, of miscellaneous rogueries, villainies, imbecilities, grotesqueries and extravagances—is so inordinately gross and preposterous, so perfectly brought up to the highest conceivable amperage, so steadily enriched with an almost fabulous daring and originality, that only the man who was born with a petrified diaphragm can fail to laugh himself to sleep every night, and to awake every morning with all the eager, unflagging expectation of a Sunday-school superintendent touring the Paris peep-shows.”

        SOURCE – http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2008/04/04/a-tragi-comic-cavalcade-of-chicanery/

    • Citizen
      July 23, 2015, 7:23 pm

      IQ mean shows half the people are below average in intelligence?

      • echinococcus
        July 24, 2015, 3:24 am

        Certainly. But there is worse: is an IQ of 100, i.e. the average, anything to write home about?

  16. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 23, 2015, 3:52 pm

    “Last night there was a big rally in Times Square in NY calling on Senator Chuck Schumer (among others) to kill the Iran deal. ”

    You would think that a hot-shot lawyer like the Dersh would know that no Yank Senator can ”kill’ the Iran deal. It’s just been unanimously approved by the EU AND by the UN. It is happening.

    It says a lot about the mentality of certain USAmericans that they think that some red-necked senator can veto a deal reached together with the likes of China, Germany and the UK. Even in the highly unlikely event that these fools do manage to turn Congress against the deal for the love of Bibi, it is in no way binding on the other countries who have signed up to it. The Europeans and Chinese have long been sick of the sanctions and are most certainly not going to renege on billions of Euro worth of business in an untapped market just because some fool from Des Moines, Iowa, said they should. In fact, they would be thrilled – if Americans want to opt out, that means there’s all the more juicy contracts for everyone else!

    The deal is happening, folks. Deal with it.

    • JennieS
      July 23, 2015, 11:27 pm

      Absolutely right MDM. The deal is signed and the essential Security Council Resolution has been passed so with or without the US normal relations between Iran and the rest of the world will be resumed. In some ways I hope that these clowns get their veto proof “No” vote in Congress as it will (1) prevent Iran from getting tangled up financially/commercially with the US and (2) start loosening the bonds of the “Western Alliance”.

    • MRW
      July 24, 2015, 5:12 pm

      @Maximus Decimus Meridius,

      It’s just been unanimously approved by the EU AND by the UN. It is happening. . . . It says a lot about the mentality of certain USAmericans that they think that some red-necked senator can veto a deal reached together with the likes of China, Germany and the UK. . . . it is in no way binding on the other countries who have signed up to it.

      Not to mention that foreign policy is, per the Constitution, the exclusive purview of the HEAD OF STATE, and has nothing to do with Congress–the domestic government–unless the agreement is a treaty, in which case 2/3 of the Senate has to approve, not the House of Representatives. Ah, the great uneducated in this country, starting with the over-priced help on national broadcasting stations who lack the brains or knowledge to point this out.

      As I understand it, under the US Constitution, Congress cannot dictate to the Head of State (the President’s exclusive ‘hat’) without a change to the Constitution disrupting the Separation of Powers.

      In fact, they would be thrilled – if Americans want to opt out

      America would be reduced to a toothless non-entity in the eyes of the world. Its presidency—because we are one of the few countries in which the head of government is also head of state—diminished to a laughing stock.

  17. a blah chick
    July 23, 2015, 4:39 pm

    Would this be the same Steve Emerson who got called out for saying that Birmingham England was a “no go” zone because the Muslims had taken it over?

    Would this be the same Steve Emerson who said the Oklahoma city bombing had to be the work of foreign terrorists because it had their “fingerprints” all over it?

    Would this be the same Steve Emerson who once wrote a book documenting an Iraqi terrorist who was neither an Iraqi nor a terrorist?

    Would this be the same Steve Emerson whom I once heard say he encountered cheering at an Arab-American meeting when a suicide bombing in Israel was announced but provided neither the name of the organization, the place, the date or anything that would allow a person to check his story out?

    All this makes me query the man’s veracity.

  18. Laurent Weppe
    July 23, 2015, 5:37 pm

    ‘If we don’t take out Iran,’ it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel.

    If Iran powerful enough to be capable of causing a genocide on the US’ home turf… Why hasn’t it yet steamrolled its neighbours and reconquered all the territories once owned by the Achemenid dynasty?

  19. Bumblebye
    July 23, 2015, 5:46 pm

    Steve Emerson. Hahahaha. Google his name and Birmingham and you’ll laugh too. He has as much “expertise” as a monkey at a typewriter!
    (by the way, that’s our Birmingham, pronounced burr-ming-gum!)

      • straightline
        July 23, 2015, 8:56 pm

        I had occasion to briefly visit the centre of Birmingham recently and I spent a few years there a very long time ago. As big cities go it’s not bad – no worse than Melbourne CBD. And it has some beautiful suburbs (and some pretty grimy post-industrial ones too).

        It is hard to discern someone’s religion from their appearance in general but there were a few that I might guess were Muslim. There were many that I would wager were not.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 23, 2015, 9:16 pm

        here’s some exciting amazing news about Birmingham university, i googled it yesterday when i heard.

        http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33436021
        ‘Oldest’ Koran fragments found in Birmingham University

        What may be the world’s oldest fragments of the Koran have been found by the University of Birmingham.
        Radiocarbon dating found the manuscript to be at least 1,370 years old, making it among the earliest in existence.
        The pages of the Muslim holy text had remained unrecognised in the university library for almost a century.
        The British Library’s expert on such manuscripts, Dr Muhammad Isa Waley, said this “exciting discovery” would make Muslims “rejoice”.
        The manuscript had been kept with a collection of other Middle Eastern books and documents, without being identified as one of the oldest fragments of the Koran in the world.

        …….

        “Finding out we had one of the oldest fragments of the Koran in the whole world has been fantastically exciting.”
        The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.
        These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.
        “They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam,” said David Thomas, the university’s professor of Christianity and Islam.

        Prof Thomas says the dating of the Birmingham folios would mean it was quite possible that the person who had written them would have been alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad.
        “The person who actually wrote it could well have known the Prophet Muhammad. He would have seen him probably, he would maybe have heard him preach. He may have known him personally – and that really is quite a thought to conjure with,” he says.

        but i think this part:

        The manuscript is part of the Mingana Collection of more than 3,000 Middle Eastern documents gathered in the 1920s by Alphonse Mingana, a Chaldean priest born near Mosul in modern-day Iraq.
        He was sponsored to take collecting trips to the Middle East by Edward Cadbury, who was part of the chocolate-making dynasty.

        “collecting trips”. that was during the time the british empire administered Iraq after WW1. i wonder how much plundering went on and if the manuscript was in iraq for centuries. if so, perhaps it should be returned someday.

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2015, 12:25 am

        Some twenty-odd years ago I taught a couple of summer courses at the university there. Not beautiful, though there are undoubtedly uglier places.

        Contrary to popular claims, it doesn’t have more canals than Venice, either.

        http://www.birmingham-alive.com/2013/04/birmingham-more-canals-than-venice/

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2015, 12:48 am

        “i wonder how much plundering went on and if the manuscript was in iraq for centuries. if so, perhaps it should be returned someday.”

        I find myself torn over this issue*. On the one hand, the Eighteenth and Nineteenth century “collectors” certainly look as though they were looting the national treasures. On the other hand, I am not unreservedly in favour of returning cultural items to the country of origin.

        I have two reasons for taking this equivocal position.

        First, there is the practical issue of safety. We have seen what the Israelis did to the Palestinian libraries, what the Taliban did to the Buddhist statues, and what the Americans and ISIS are alleged to have done to Iraqi antiquities. If all the various treasures are gathered in one place, it is easy to destroy them. If they are scattered about the globe, there is a better chance that at least some of them will survive.

        Secondly, I am not entirely happy with the idea that such items “belong” to the people of the particular geographic area they originated in. My general position is that all human culture “belongs” to all of us. Confucianism “belongs” to Westerners just as much as Stoicism does, and Stoicism “belongs” to Easterners just as much as Confucianism does. Similarly for science and technology. And similarly for the treasures of antiquity. They are part of a common human “heritage”.

        If an Iraqi had “collected” (I am going to wear out my quote mark key) a hand-written first draft of Titus Andronicus and presented it to a university in Baghdad, I don’t really see any obligation to send that back to Britain. (As long as the university makes it available to scholars.)

        (*Not torn at all on the issue of capital letters.)

      • straightline
        July 24, 2015, 4:10 am

        Ok – I’ll come clean. University of Birmingham is my alma mater (as they say in the US). Good old Joe is still there – or was a few weeks ago. And on this recent visit I travelled to Birmingham by a narrow boat on a canal.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Chamberlain_Memorial_Clock_Tower

      • Annie Robbins
        July 24, 2015, 9:50 am

        interesting straightline!

        roha, If an Iraqi had “collected” … a hand-written first draft of Titus Andronicus and presented it to a university in Baghdad, I don’t really see any obligation to send that back to Britain.

        if it was “collected” while iraq was “administering” england for a few decades, would you feel the same. spoils of war and all that. but i agree somewhat with your other points.

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2015, 8:33 am

        Incidentally, the story about the Mingana collection reminded me of this bit of the Maulana Muhammad Ali translation of the Qur’an.

        http://www.ahmadiyya.org/images_blog/leaves-reply.pdf

        So I did a bit of Googling and came up with

        http://ahmadiyya.org/WordPress/

        (July 22 2015) which tells me that I was not the only one so reminded.

        It looks as though the university was slow in getting the collection online,

        http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2007/08/14/problems-with-the-mingana-manuscripts-at-birmingham/

        but it’s there now.

        http://vmr.bham.ac.uk/Collections/Mingana/

      • MRW
        July 24, 2015, 5:50 pm

        ‘Oldest’ Koran fragments found in Birmingham University

        That doesn’t surprise me. Monks and scribes made pilgrimages to Cordoba, Spain, the hub of Islamic science and culture, starting from the 9th up to 15th C’s, bringing back translations of Islamic science, mathematics, astronomy, jurisprudence, and medicine to the Dark Ages of Europe.

        Robert Briffault catalogued all this in his 1919 book, The Making of Humanity. So did Joseph McCabe in 1936. Forget the name of his book, and not going to look it up.

        Modern operating rooms —today—still use Islamic medical tools. Some of their late-800-900 AD eye surgery techniques and tools are still in use today. Ditto algebra, calculus, and trig. They created the “scientific method,” and double-entry accounting. The first certified economist was Ibn Khaldun, who was also the father of historiography, according to Alfred Toynbee who sung his praises, and also the father of the study of Social Sciences.

        Everyone flocked to the golden city of Cordoba (aka Cordova) to partake of its intellectual riches. Luca Pacioli, a great friend of Leonardo Da Vinci and often called the father of double-entry accounting—he wasn’t—brought back troves of translated documents on flight, mathematics, and astronomy which he gave to Da Vinci and Copernicus, who came to Rome in the late 1400s. Copernicus used those docs to advance a heliocentric view of the world, but it was long known in Cordoba that Islamic scientists scoffed for centuries at the Catholic Ptolemaic view of the heavens.

        Briffault said that these translated documents are buried in churches, synagogues, and universities all over Europe, along with their personal records of their journeys to Cordoba, which is how we know of them.

      • RoHa
        July 26, 2015, 12:11 am

        “if it was “collected” while iraq was “administering” england for a few decades, would you feel the same”

        Probably.

  20. Steve Grover
    July 23, 2015, 6:24 pm

    Phil Weiss,
    Why didn’t you carry a big sign condemning those against the nuclear deal as a 5th column against the American People who want this deal with the peace loving Iranian regime?

    • Giles
      July 23, 2015, 7:56 pm

      Assuming you are being sarcastic in calling the Iranian regime peace loving, let’s sit down and list the countries Iran has invaded in the past 70 years. That’s an easy one. None.

      Now let’s do the same for Israel. Then the USA. Not quite so easy, is it?

      • Steve Grover
        July 24, 2015, 7:08 am

        @Giles
        Lets ignore the peaceful Iran Iraq war. Lets ignore the peaceful killing of U.S. soldiers in Iraq by Iranian supported shi’as. Lets ignore the peaceful firing of peaceful Iranian missiles into Israel by the peaceful Iranian surrogate Hezbollah.

      • lysias
        July 24, 2015, 10:17 am

        I think you’re forgetting which country was the aggressor in the Iran-Iraq war. Are you saying that Iran didn’t have the right to defend itself against a foreign invasion?

      • Kris
        July 24, 2015, 1:58 pm

        lysias, surely you know that it is antisemitic to suggest that Iran has a right to self defense?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 24, 2015, 6:49 pm

        lysias, it’s doubtful steve is aware iran didn’t start that war. or maybe since we were backing saddam he just assumes iran was the fault of it all — who knows.

    • a blah chick
      July 23, 2015, 8:01 pm

      Sounds like a plan.

      • Steve Grover
        July 24, 2015, 7:11 am

        @blah chick

        What plan?

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 10:17 am

        I’ve got a good idea! Let’s ignore “Grober”! And let’s ignore Israel’s illegal nuclear arsenal, and inability to find its own borders. Now, there’s a good combination.

      • Steve Grover
        July 24, 2015, 12:21 pm

        @mooser,
        While we’re ignoring stuff, let’s ignore this too…

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/23/executions-iran-1000-this-year-amnesty-international

      • Abu Malia
        July 24, 2015, 12:23 pm

        “lets ignore the peaceful Iran Iraq war. Lets ignore the peaceful killing of U.S. soldiers in Iraq by Iranian supported shi’as. Lets ignore the peaceful firing of peaceful Iranian missiles into Israel by the peaceful Iranian surrogate Hezbollah.”

        Steve, I have seen you on these pages before and I think you should know better than to spew such nonsense here. While i wouldn’t call any government “peace loving”, your apparent sarcasm doesn’t work – what you say is essentially true.

        If Hizbullah weren’t firing those “peaceful” missiles, your tribe would be building nice little settlements by Litani river bank. As for Shia militias killing American soldiers, thats what usually happens to invading soldiers – but somehow i don’t believe you care one iota about the safety of Americans be they soldiers or civvies.

        Give it a break man. Or at least find a more suitable venue for your b.s. Ohh, why do i even bother!

  21. lonely rico
    July 23, 2015, 7:26 pm

    >Steve Grover

    … those against the nuclear deal as

    a 5th column against the American People

    who want this deal with the peace loving Iranian regime?

    Nailed it again Mr. Grover, bingo !

    Thanks for you perceptive comment.

    • Steve Grover
      July 23, 2015, 11:17 pm

      lonely rico sez:
      “Nailed it again Mr. Grover, bingo !
      Thanks for you perceptive comment.”

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 10:30 am

        And Annie tells us there is bunches of zio-comments left on the Moderating room floor!

      • Steve Grover
        July 24, 2015, 12:04 pm

        Mooser,
        Annie is telling the truth!

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2015, 7:31 pm

        “Annie is telling the truth!”

        And after all Mondowiess Moderating has done to protect Zionists, you still insist they are censoring you, “Grover”? There they are, working night and day to protect you from yourself, but you don’t even appreciate the service

      • Annie Robbins
        July 25, 2015, 3:06 am

        i miss seafoid’s videos ;(

  22. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2015, 8:14 pm

    RE: “If we don’t take out Iran,’ it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel — Steven Emerson to Times Square rally”

    I’M SURE THIS IS JUST A COINCIDENCE: “Israeli diplomat in Berlin: Maintaining German guilt about Holocaust helps Israel” | By Nir Gontarz | Haaretz.com | Jun. 25, 2015

    [EXCERPT] A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in Berlin recently told Israeli journalists it was in the country’s interest to maintain German guilt about the Holocaust, and that it isn’t seeking full normalization of relations between the governments.

    Embassy spokeswoman Adi Farjon made the comments in a closed briefing session with journalists at the embassy.

    “We were all in shock,” said a female journalist present at the briefing. “The spokeswoman clearly said it was an Israeli interest to maintain German guilt feelings. She even said that without them, we’d be just another country as far as they’re concerned.”

    Others present at the event confirmed the journalist’s account.

    Some added that the Israeli ambassador himself, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, was present for some of the briefing, as were other embassy workers who don’t speak Hebrew. Another journalist commented, “It was so awkward. We couldn’t believe our ears. We’re sitting there eating peanuts, and behind the spokeswoman there are two German women sitting there who don’t understand a word of Hebrew – and the embassy staff is telling us they’re working to preserve the German guilt feelings and that Israel has no interest in normalization of relations between the two countries.”

    “I don’t remember saying that,” Farjon told Haaretz in response. “I can’t vouch for any particular quote, she added. “It was an off-the-record conversation, a briefing talk. The way I speak with Israeli journalists is a little different. These things aren’t intended to get out. I can’t reveal the principles I work by. For example, I don’t say who I go to in order to get good stories out here, or who I pay for things like that.” . . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.662962

  23. Nevada Ned
    July 23, 2015, 8:37 pm

    Steve Emerson is one of those pundits who rarely gets his fact straight, but somehow that hasn’t affected his career at all. Emerson’s track record as a pundit has been reviewed here for anyone interested.

  24. piotr
    July 23, 2015, 8:38 pm

    This is how Persians were defeated and how they will be defeated:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Batalla_de_Gaugamela_%28M.A.N._Inv.1980-60-1%29_01.jpg

    Note Caroline Glick in the lower left corner, and Benjamin Netanyahu left of center.

  25. piotr
    July 23, 2015, 8:48 pm

    This is how Persians were defeated and how they will be defeated:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Batalla_de_Gaugamela_%28M.A.N._Inv.1980-60-1%29_01.jpg

    Note Caroline Glick in the lower left corner, and Benjamin Netanyahu left of center.

    But this is another battle worth to remember:
    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/defeat-of-rome-in-the-east-gareth-c-sampson/1112306141?ean=9781932033892

  26. eljay
    July 23, 2015, 9:12 pm

    Steven Emerson: … So now we have the situation that unless Congress acts, I believe ultimately, it’s going to be left up to a military strike to take out the Iranian capabilities to take out the world. If we don’t take out Iran, they will take out us. …

    Given the countless existential threats that have been and continue to be made against it by America and Israel (among others) and their respective Iranian-haters, I couldn’t blame the world’s only Iranian state if it were to develop nuclear weapons to defend itself from being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

  27. zaid
    July 23, 2015, 11:42 pm

    This emerson guy is a nut job

    He is the guy who invented the muslim No Go Zones in europe myth.

    James cameron of UK called him an idiot.

    steven emerson sam seder

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKM4uU5ins

    • traintosiberia
      July 23, 2015, 11:50 pm

      He is easy to be called an idiot and be dismissed . But there are plenty with money and access equally rabid ,equally stupid,equally motivated and ready to shed some American blood by incessant lying

      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/middle-east/article28349980.html-
      The lies include- Iran considers Bahrain as 14 th province ( like Israel does Sinai and treats WB and Golan Height) , Iran tried to kill Saudi ambassador , and Arabs are ready to join Israel in confronting Iran.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 24, 2015, 1:28 am

        Iran tried to kill Saudi ambassador

        do you mean that crazy story about iranian hit men coming in thur mexico and trying to knock off the SA ambssador in dc? please! so roundly unrecognized as anything but bs. ;)

  28. jon s
    July 24, 2015, 1:29 am

    Following up Phil Weiss’ question to the guy holding the sign, one could ask Phil : “how much of the propaganda on your blog do you really believe ?”

    On the Iran deal, several voices from veterans of the Israeli defense establishment have been heard in support:
    http://forward.com/opinion/312158/this-man-explains-why-iran-deal-is-good-for-israel/

    • Annie Robbins
      July 24, 2015, 1:53 am

      Following up Phil Weiss’ question to the guy holding the sign, one could ask Phil : “how much of the propaganda on your blog do you really believe ?”

      fine- except this is called a false equivalent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
      a logical fallacy. let’s review

      Hillary Clinton, and “the same old Europe” are supporting Iran’s state plan of genocide against Jews and its use of “portable gas chambers.” I asked that guy how much of his sign he believes. “All of it.”

      jon s, aside from phil NOT asking “how much of the propaganda.. do you ..believe” (btw placing quotemanrk on a non quote .. tsk tsk) please provide an example of something on this website equivalent to clinton supporting genocide against Jews and its use of “portable gas chambers.” . since you seem to think it’s “following” ???

      • jon s
        July 25, 2015, 1:54 pm

        I think that the content of that sign is nonsense, and that it’s propaganda.
        The equivalent you asked me to provide could be the accusation that Israeli policy towards the Palestinians constitutes genocide, an accusation which appear here quite often.

    • Rodneywatts
      July 24, 2015, 8:24 am

      Hi jon s!

      I feel Annie has been too harsh with her comment, and missed the importance of the last part of your comment. I have bothered to read what Forward reported on the interview with Ami Ayalon, onetime head of Shin Bet and earlier Commander of Israel’s navy, etc.,on 16th July. He clearly states support for the Iran deal in opposition to Netanyahu, and reasonably states some weaknesses. I hope everyone will access the Forward link. Certainly the fruitcakes demonstrating in Times Square and all American politicians would do well to read this sane report, together with embedded links.

      Thank you jon s – Rodney

      • Annie Robbins
        July 24, 2015, 9:36 am

        i’ll check out the forward link rodney..

        edit: i love that photo of netanyahu at the forward link ..recommended!

      • straightline
        July 24, 2015, 6:39 pm

        Yes Ayalon does favour the Iran deal. He also spouts BS about it “increasing Iran’s ability to foment instability in the region”. Does he mean helping Hizbollah protect Lebanon from Israeli aggression or helping the Shia militia fight ISIS, or perhaps both? After all expanding Israeli occupied territory does not in itself stir up instability – it’s those that oppose it who do! Isn’t it the case that the US and its allies – including my country – are fighting ISIS?

  29. a blah chick
    July 24, 2015, 6:37 am

    Where does a person go to buy an inflatable mushroom cloud? I think I’d to get one to put on the front lawn for Halloween.

  30. rosross
    July 24, 2015, 8:11 am

    I think there are more and more people in the world who are finding Israel a thuggish, insane and tedious little country and the rantings and ravings of its supporters, Jewish, Zionist and the rest, simply boring. The holocaust flag is in tatters and every time Israel and its supporters wave it, the effect is simply to remind the world at large what a thug Israel is and what an egregious hypocrite.

    If there ever had been anything in the theory that followers of Judaism were smarter than anyone else, the State of Israel, has squashed that thought and ground it into the mud of stupidity.

  31. lonely rico
    July 24, 2015, 10:54 am

    >rosross

    If there ever had been anything in the theory that followers of Judaism were smarter than anyone else, the State of Israel, has squashed that thought and ground it into the mud of stupidity.

    LOL !

    Good article – Israel and “Self-Defense”/Robert Fantina

    ‘Do you believe Israel has the right to defend itself?’

    The question is not a valid one. Any nation, one supposes, has such a right, but Israel has not had to defend itself for decades, if ever. Responding to ineffective ‘rocket’ fire from the Gaza Strip is not defense. An occupied nation has the internationally-recognized right to resist with violence the occupation. The occupier is not ‘defending’ itself; it is merely enforcing the occupation.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/24/israel-and-self-defense/

  32. Kathleen
    July 24, 2015, 11:41 am

    Pressure on. Phil the article says “thousands” attended. Any idea the size of protest. 2 thousand…10 thousand. We are going to watch millions of Kill the deal commercials on our MSM outlets. All of us need to do our best contacting Reps, media outlets etc in support of the deal. Encouraging others to do so.

    60 senior US national security, military, diplomatic leaders support Iran nuclear deal
    By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Sixty national security leaders, ambassadors, military leaders and former Cabinet secretaries have signed a letter supporting the nuclear deal with Iran.

    The bipartisan group of signatories includes former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZBIG’-nyef breh-ZHIN’-skee) and Brent Scowcroft and former Sens. Nancy Landon Kassebaum, Tom Daschle (DASH’-uhl) and Carl Levin.

    Also signing the letter released on Monday are former defense official Michele Flournoy and Thomas Pickering. He’s the former ambassador to Israel, Russia, India and the United Nations.

    The U.S. and five other world powers reached agreement last week with Iran to curb its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

    The letter says that without the agreement, the risks to the security of the U.S. and its allies would be far greater.

    Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    ———————————————

    Ex-Intel Chief: Iran Deal Good for Israel

    Yes, it’s true: If Obama can toughen the penalties for cheating and pivot to confronting Iran’s support for terrorism, he will enhance Israel’s security.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu believes the Iran nuclear deal is a “stunning historical mistake.” Meanwhile, Israel’s opposition Labor Party, Republicans here at home, and much of the American Jewish community are joining him in denouncing the agreement signed last week.

    But many former senior intelligence and national security officials in Israel disagree. While they think the deal is flawed and that Netanyahu deserves credit for raising the alarm on Iran years ago, they also believe that the historic agreement is—on balance—in the national security interest of the State of Israel.

    I spoke recently with Ami Ayalon, a former head of Shin Bet, the Israeli internal security service, and a former chief of the Israeli Navy. Even as he explained that the issue “is not black and white,” he reeled off a list of former defense ministers and chiefs of Shin Bet and Mossad who agree with him that “when it comes to Iran’s nuclear capability, this [deal] is the best option.”

  33. Mooser
    July 24, 2015, 1:32 pm

    Catch that sign at the lower right of the ‘Mushroom’ picture? It says:

    “SCHUMER YOU ARE NO SHOMER!”

    • RoHa
      July 24, 2015, 10:15 pm

      That’s a “Jews speaking to Jews” sign. It strengthens the impression that American Jews want Jewish politicians to turn against the rest of the country for the benefit of Jews in a foreign state. Is this a good impression to give?

  34. Brewer
    July 24, 2015, 3:25 pm

    Robert Parry has been a lone, sane voice for some time. Shut out by the MSM he now publishes here:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/19/seeking-war-to-the-end-of-the-world/

    Excerpt:

    Despite the disastrous Iraq War, neocons still dominate Official Washington’s inside-outside game, government policymakers coordinating with think-tank opinion leaders to keep world tensions high and money flowing to military projects, a process personified by Robert Kagan and Victoria Nuland, says Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    If the neoconservatives have their way again, U.S. ground troops will reoccupy Iraq, the U.S. military will take out Syria’s secular government (likely helping Al Qaeda and the Islamic State take over), and the U.S. Congress will not only kill the Iran nuclear deal but follow that with a massive increase in military spending.

    Like spraying lighter fluid on a roaring barbecue, the neocons also want a military escalation in Ukraine to burn the ethnic Russians out of the east, and the neocons dream of spreading the blaze to Moscow with the goal of forcing Russian President Vladimir Putin from the Kremlin. In other words, more and more fires of Imperial “regime change” abroad even as the last embers of the American Republic die at home.
    Much of this “strategy” is personified by a single Washington power couple: arch-neocon Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century and an early advocate of the Iraq War, and his wife, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who engineered last year’s coup in Ukraine that started a nasty civil war and created a confrontation between nuclear-armed United States and Russia.

    • Brewer
      July 24, 2015, 3:56 pm

      Further reading:

      The Eurasian Big Bang
      How China and Russia Are Running Rings Around Washington
      By Pepe Escobar

      Let’s start with the geopolitical Big Bang you know nothing about, the one that occurred just two weeks ago. Here are its results: from now on, any possible future attack on Iran threatened by the Pentagon (in conjunction with NATO) would essentially be an assault on the planning of an interlocking set of organizations — the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa), the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization), the EEU (Eurasian Economic Union), the AIIB (the new Chinese-founded Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank), and the NDB (the BRICS’ New Development Bank) — whose acronyms you’re unlikely to recognize either. Still, they represent an emerging new order in Eurasia.http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/176026/

      • Keith
        July 24, 2015, 5:56 pm

        BREWER- “How China and Russia Are Running Rings Around Washington By Pepe Escobar”

        Pepe Escobar has written some good stuff in the past, however, the notion that BRICS is a counterweight to empire is delusional. I am not going to go into detail, but suffice it to say that India is led by a Hindu fascist that attacks Indian Muslims, and is cosying up to empire and Israel. The “New Silk Road” does not exist and would be easy to interdict. If actually completed, it would be an environmental disaster, yet another example of Russia and China misperceiving the 21st century political economy. None of these countries can truly project military power into the Middle East, Russia perhaps somewhat, but they are tied-up with the Ukraine. China is unable to take effective economic action without jeopardizing the global economy and probably destroying their own. All of the major levers of strategic power are controlled by empire. If China and Russia could thwart empire they already would have. Oh sure, the plan looks nice, but at one time so did Syriza.

      • MRW
        July 24, 2015, 9:53 pm

        Wow, Keith, Escobar’s reporting went right over your head. You sound like the arrogant British pundits in the 1930s who sneered at a possible US power emerging.

        Years ago, Vladimir Putin suggested that there could be a “Greater Europe” stretching from Lisbon, Portugal, on the Atlantic to the Russian city of Vladivostok on the Pacific. The EU, under Washington’s thumb, ignored him.

        One of the great strategic mistakes the Bush admin, and subsequent Obama admin, ever made.

        True that at present the daily trading in USD treasury securities constitute 60% of the world’s activity. But the US as host violated the spirt of the reserve currency and used the fact that no USDs can legally leave the US banking system—all foreign banks with USD accounts are at the NY Federal Reserve—to violate the condition that the reserve currency government would not interfere in a sovereign nation’s funds denominated in the reserve currency.

        Why would the “New Silk Road” be an environmental disaster? Do you think the Chinese incapable of huge public works?

      • Keith
        July 25, 2015, 12:54 pm

        MRW- “The EU, under Washington’s thumb, ignored him.”

        I can assure you that Washington didn’t ignore him. There is no way that the US would tolerate a Russian-European alliance. That is what the Ukraine is all about. Those initial plans are no longer tenable and Germany is being punished for even thinking about being disloyal to the Godfather, that is partly what these sanctions are all about. So the pipeline plans move ever farther south and the countries less stable, ripe for US inspired Islamist Jihadists.

        MRW- “Why would the “New Silk Road” be an environmental disaster?”

        Because it continues the hydrocarbon intensive development model which is an environmental disaster. Even though you have expressed the opinion that global warming is a hoax, it has become obvious to most that it is a serious threat to life as we know it. There is a reason that we refer to green house gasses as green house gasses. No, MRW, the planet has not been cooling since 1998.

    • ritzl
      July 24, 2015, 10:19 pm

      I wish there was a way to add a “control” to the global international relations experiment by taking Israel out of the equation. Just for one month!

      I bet all this agitation and destabilization would damp down almost immediately. All of it.

    • MRW
      July 26, 2015, 12:16 am

      Keith, Escobar is correct.

      “The EU, under Washington’s thumb, ignored him.”

      As for this,

      Even though you have expressed the opinion that global warming is a hoax

      Please use my archives to show where I’ve stated that it’s a hoax. I, like any sentient being, would want to know if we’re going to freeze or fry. I am, by nature, however, circumspect. I want scientific proof of it, not news releases mangled according to the perceptions of a PR office. Let me assure you, I probably read more source scientific papers on any given day than you do.

      The satellite records since 1979, what is normally called the historical record these days, do not show a “serious threat to life.” If I am mistaken, please enlighten me. As a matter of fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that by 2018 we will see the PDO and AMO both negative. We will be in the beginning of a global cooling cycle that will have grave economic consequences for the world. Just last week, the Royal Astronomical Society printed this in Science Daily. “Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to ‘mini ice age’ levels: Sun driven by double dynamo.” So you are behind the eight-ball.

      As for this, as well

      No, MRW, the planet has not been cooling since 1998.

      That’s where you are mistaken (and please don’t bring up the recent controversial Karl, et al report on how NOAA adjusted the weather temps for the first half of the 20th C to make the last half seem warmer. Unacceptable).

      Since I know you are not going to bother reading the link anyway, I will simply link to Dr. Judith Curry’s report on the IPCC’s establishment of “the hiatus” since 1998 for anyone else who is interested here. Curry referenced the most recent IPCC AR5 WGI report. Curry is the former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology–one of the most highly respected climate science departments in the world– and a climatologist. You don’t have her credentials, knowledge, or gravitas.
      http://judithcurry.com/2014/01/06/ipcc-ar5-weakens-the-case-for-agw/

      • Keith
        July 26, 2015, 7:00 pm

        MRW- “The satellite records since 1979, what is normally called the historical record these days, do not show a “serious threat to life.” If I am mistaken, please enlighten me.”

        The full quote is “serious threat to life as we know it.” Before I provide a few quotes from the IPCC fifth assessment and the Pentagon Threat Assessment report, a few preliminary comments are in order. First of all, the notion that some climate denying Professor has more “gravitas” than the IPCC is laughable. Your idea of gravitas is anyone who shares your bias. As for global cooling since 1998, we have already discussed this. After any record year, all of you deniers start your graphs at the record year to show “cooling” in subsequent non-record years. This is a sufficiently childish misuse of statistics to subject you to ridicule. The average decadal temperature for 2000 through 2009 was warmer than the 1990s (which include 1998), which in turn was warmer than the 1980s. And you can sure as hell bet that 2010 through 2019 will be warmer than 2000 through 2009.

        MRW- “As a matter of fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that by 2018 we will see the PDO and AMO both negative. We will be in the beginning of a global cooling cycle that will have grave economic consequences for the world.”

        Well, if it stops warming and starts cooling, does that mean global warming is a hoax? Or simply a good faith difference of opinion? So are you and Dr. Judith Curry co-authoring a joint paper for submission to the appropriate technical journal to call attention to this startling conclusion? Get the peer review process started? So you are saying that I should ignore melting glaciers and warming oceans and run out and buy long underwear? Do you really think that climate scientists are unaware of the effects of solar activity? A bunch of nincompoops who need you to straighten them out? Enough of this. Quotes and links below.

        According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

        “Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. IPCC aims to reflect a range of views and expertise.” http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.shtml

        Some bullet points from the latest Assessment Report:

        “Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”

        “Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems.”

        “Without additional mitigation efforts beyond those in place today, and even with adaptation, warming by the end of the 21st century will lead to high to very high risk of severe, widespread and irreversible impacts globally (high confidence).”
        http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf

        Pentagon 2014 Threat Assessment Report:

        ” The Pentagon on Monday released a report asserting decisively that climate change poses an immediate threat to national security, with increased risks from terrorism, infectious disease, global poverty and food shortages.” (NYT)
        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html

      • Annie Robbins
        July 26, 2015, 11:57 pm

        because i’m not interested in reading or moderating an argument on global warming, following comments on the topic (if there are any) can wait for someone else to moderate them. i’ll be scrolling.

  35. JohnWV
    July 24, 2015, 4:36 pm

    As a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty, Iran accepts continuing IAEA inspection and has an internationally recognized right to develop and implement nuclear technology. Having rejected both IAEA inspection and the NPT, Israel has no such right. Yet the Jewish State has hundreds of nukes and openly threatens Iran, actually campaigns for war against Iran. Israel, not Iran, is the warmonger. Resolution lies with lifting all sanctions and compensating Iran for damages from the $$$ billions United States will no longer be giving the Jewish state. A nuclear Iran would wonderfully disrupt Israel’s racist and brutish Mideast hegemony.

  36. JohnWV
    July 24, 2015, 4:38 pm

    “While we’re at it, how about a Citizens for a Nuclear Free Israel effort as well? No need for nukes anywhere in that part of the world. If they give up their nukes, I’m sure the Iranians will as well.” (GKSanDiego in The Hill 7/17/2015)

  37. RobertFallin
    July 24, 2015, 5:44 pm

    The exact opposite is true. If we DO take out Iran, the Gentiles who survive will blame Jews, even though Jews are pretty much the only opposition to the Zionist lunatics.

  38. traintosiberia
    July 25, 2015, 3:49 pm

    In response to Kerry’s caution against Israeli intransigence and the possible fallout affecting Israel

    Israeli firsters are saying the following-

    “It is the kind of statement that would be far more compelling to Israelis, or many in the Jewish community, if it came from an Israeli raising questions about the government’s approach,” said Dennis B. Ross, a former negotiator and senior adviser to President Obama on the Middle East. “I am afraid it will have the opposite effect of what the secretary may have intended.

    to underscore Mr. Ross’s point, Michael B. Oren, a former Israeli ambassador to the United States, assailed the comments.”

    “If American legislators reject the nuclear deal, they will do so exclusively on the basis of U.S. interests,” Mr. Oren said in an email to reporters. “The threat of the secretary of state who, in the past, warned that Israel was in danger of becoming an apartheid state, cannot deter us from fulfilling our national duty to oppose this dangerous deal.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/world/middleeast/kerry-says-israel-may-deepen-its-isolation-by-opposing-iran-nuclear-accord.html?ref=world&_r=0

    1- Dennis Ross can say Kerry has no right since he isn’t an American to say what is good for Israel . Well if that were the case why Dennis Ross getting into this. Let’s hear that view from an Israeli .

    2-Why American couldn’t say when we are the best ally per the Zonist myth .?
    3- American couldn’t say what is good for Israel but then they have to decide every year amount of extra money to be shipped to Israel . Is the money for what is “good of Israel”?
    4 US always has to come and veto in UN for Israel. Who will do the thinking and talking before that veto?

    5 MIchael Oren doesn’t know that Krsitol wrote the letter making it look like coming from Cotton .The letter was signed by 55 or so Senators and sent to Iran. Oren doesn’t know that Netanyahu will travel to US to urge Congress to vote against the deal. He doesn’t know that AIPAC,UANI,JINSA,ADL,AEI,Project for Israel ,ECI, FDD and so many other organizations who are behind the campaign against the deal are also same organizations that take orders from Israel on ME and issues related to Israel. ,work for Israel,spread the vies of israel and tries to get US behind what ever Israel wants . Americans ex ambassador and ex cabinet members support the deal.Americans support the deal. Those who oppose the deal always bring Israel as the reason.
    Still Oren wants American believe that Congress is voting on this deal is about US. In same voice he says Israel a right to oppose this deal.

    Israel is doing all the opposition using US-media,congress,senate,and press releases but still wants Americans to believe that if Congress blocks this deal , Congress will be doing what is good for US.

  39. Accentitude
    July 26, 2015, 2:20 am

    So this rally is stupidly called “Peace through Strength” and their speaker is saying things like:
    So now we have the situation that unless Congress acts, I believe ultimately, it’s going to be left up to a military strike to take out the Iranian capabilities to take out the world. If we don’t take out Iran, they will take out us.

    That doesn’t sound like calling for peace to me. That sounds like he wants the U.S. military to pre-emptively bomb the crap out of Iran. Which means….starting a war with a country that is not at war with us…which is also the opposite of Peace…and makes people on the streets of Iran see the American military bombing them as “terrorists” invading their country if you look at it from their perspective…and of course that only prolongs the so-called “war on terror” because it creates more animosity towards Americans and America, encouraging people to strike against the United States in retaliation for its crimes. But hey, whatever. They hate us for our freedom fries and our Budweiser beers and our Chevy Camaros, right?

    • RoHa
      July 26, 2015, 5:31 am

      Budweiser beer is certainly a good reason to hate America.

      • Accentitude
        July 27, 2015, 1:25 am

        Even in beer, I support Palestine. I only drink Taybeh Beer.

  40. Citizen
    July 27, 2015, 7:22 am

    Huckabee says Obama is leading the Israelis to the door of the gas chamber:

    http://time.com/3972684/mike-huckabee-election-2016-republican-democrat-israel-iran/

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