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Israeli-born Sacramento Kings forward Omri Casspi and pro-Israel mega-donor Sheldon Adelson recently teamed up to recruit NBA stars for an anti-BDS promotional jaunt to Israel and Sports Illustrated is all over it, without mentioning the anti-BDS angle.

The SI article “Kings’ DeMarcus Cousins, Omri Casspi get muddy in the Dead Sea,” consists of a few fun in the sun tweets from Casspi, the Sacramento Kings and local press, the Sacramento Bee.

We can do that too:

Gives a fresh face to blackwashing now doesn’t it? The promotional trip, an idea likely cooked up during Adelson’s secret anti-BDS mega-donors summit in Las Vegas last month, condemned by human rights organizations as “the moral equivalent of fundraising to preserve apartheid in South Africa, or Jim Crow in the United States” has thus far gotten lots of press mentioning teammates DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gay and Caron Butler, Chandler Parsons, Tyreke Evans, Iman Shumpert and Washington Wizard Alan Anderson, “in an effort to shine light on the dangers of the BDS–boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel.”

Dave Zirin has a biting article up at The Nation over the recent much touted trip.  An Open Letter to the NBA Players Traveling to Israel serves as a double whammy. The letter, initially addressed to Rudy Gay, opens stating Israel’s “policing practices are going global and jeopardizing the safety of communities that you have pledged to defend” and raises questions the Casspi/Adelson junket has co-opted black NBA players in an effort to drive a wedge between freedom for Palestine and the #BlackLivesMatter movement:

On December 12, you were one of several Sacramento Kings players to wear an “I Can’t Breathe” shirt during warm-ups. The shirts were worn to commemorate the last words of Staten Island’s Eric Garner and protest his death at the hands of the New York Police Department. It was a brave act, a link in a chain, which aligned some of the NBA’s biggest stars with the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

Of course, lethal police brutality has been directed at black Americans for as long as there have been police. But the #BlackLivesMatter movement has emerged out of a dramatic spike in this violence. Roughly 400 people were shot and killed by police over the first five months of 2015, according to a Washington Post analysis. That is more than twice the average of the past decade. Those killed are primarily black and brown, as police departments have outfitted themselves in military fashion. Finding justice for those killed has proven to be a near impossible task.

This epidemic of killings has been aggravated by the influence of Israeli police practices on US policing. Since 9/11, police chiefs and high-ranking officers from across the United States—from Ferguson to New York City—have traveled to Israel for training in the arts of suppression. As Ali Winston reported, “[a]t least 300” chiefs from across the country have gone to Israel for these workshops. Former US Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer called Israel “the Harvard of antiterrorism” after one all-expenses-paid trip. The NYPD, which took the life of Eric Garner and broke the leg of NBA player Thabo Sefolosha, now has an office in Tel Aviv.

Since 9/11, Israel has turned its repressive capabilities into an exportable commodity. It instructs on surveillance, crowd control tactics, and psychological operations like keeping lights on police cars at all times. It’s these kinds of tactics that provoked thousands of Ethiopian Jews to protest police brutality in Israel this year under the banner of #BlackLivesMatter, only to be met with tear gas.

The direct connection between the Israeli military and American police repression has birthed a new solidarity between #BlackLivesMatter activists and those fighting for Palestinian rights. Earlier this month a “Black Solidarity Statement with Palestine” was issued and signed by people like Angela Davis and my personal hero, professor Robin Kelley…….

But it turns out Rudy Gay never got on that plane. No explanation has been forthcoming. Zirin contacted Gay’s agent, Alex Saratsis, who was “seething.”  Saratsis did not give a reason why Gay skipped the trip, and according to Zirin:

upset that it had been widely disseminated that Rudy Gay was a part of delegation

Understandably so. It’s a must read which has now been updated, again. 

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  1. Citizen
    July 29, 2015, 4:30 pm

    ugh

  2. just
    July 29, 2015, 6:19 pm

    Great coverage, Annie! (no pun intended)

    That video is pretty yucky.

    First the NFL vets disgrace themselves, now the NBA follows suit~ in bathing suits.

    I predict a big backfire. I really do.

    I heart Zirin~ I read his letter the other day. He’s such a good guy, and is the best American political sports writer. Maybe he’s the only one on the planet who actually does his job. There’s a need, because there is politics in sports. Anything that is a multi- billion industry is political.

  3. JWalters
    July 29, 2015, 7:23 pm

    Adelson’s bombs are starting to blow up in his face.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    July 29, 2015, 9:07 pm

    RE: “Since 9/11, police chiefs and high-ranking officers from across the United States—from Ferguson to New York City—have traveled to Israel for training in the arts of suppression.” ~ Zirin’s Open Letter to the NBA Players Traveling to Israel

    SEE: “The Anti-Defamation League Sticks to What it Knows Best: Racism”, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, 2014

    . . . In the wake of the decisions not to indict officers Darren Wilson or Daniel Pantaleo for murdering Michael Brown and Eric Garner, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) – a Jewish organization purportedly founded to fight racism and anti-Semitism – has revealed itself to be once again standing on the wrong side of history. Not only did the ADL urge “calm” of protestors in the face of righteous anger against the state murder of Black people across the United States, they also stood with the St Louis grand jury: “we respect the grand jury’s integrity and their commitment to meeting the heavy responsibility thrust upon them.” And, adding insult to injury, the ADL praised the NYPD despite the shameful and brutal murder of Eric Garner and the midst of their violent repression of protestors.

    The ADL’s decision to firmly support the police and attempt to silence nation-wide collective action is no surprise given their history of collaboration with and support of police violence and surveillance in the US. The ADL directly trains tens of thousands of police and other “security forces” and leads population control training of US Police by Israeli military and police forces. By facilitating the training of US police in Ferguson and other cities, the ADL acts as a driving force in the cross-pollination of the most repressive practices and the increasing militarization of police forces in the US and Israel.

    In this context, the ADL attacked Black football player Reggie Bush for courageously affirming the link between Ferguson and Palestine. Consistent with its pattern of suppression, the ADL slammed Reggie Bush for sharing messages of solidarity from Palestinians to the people of Ferguson on social media. The ADL claims that there is no connection between racist violence in Ferguson and across the US, the repression of community resistance to this violence through mass protest, and the racist violence against Palestinians. Yet, the ADL is itself perhaps the most direct link between the racist violence against Black people and Palestinians, having literally trained former St. Louis County Police Chief Timothy Fitch in Israel. Abraham Foxman, Executive Director of the ADL, went so far as to suggest that Reggie Bush does not understand racism in either the United States or Palestine, saying: “He should stick to football.”

    We are disgusted that the ADL continues to stick to what it knows best: racism.

    Beyond the ADL, Israel’s connection to Ferguson is not strange or exceptional, but is rather, as is laid out in “Israel’s Worldwide Role in Repression”, part of its broader role in global repression. Just as the US military trains police around the world based on its long history of repressing of Black people and other oppressed communities, Israel takes the technology, military tactics, and racist brutality it has developed through its colonization of Palestine and exports them to the rest of the world.

    In the United States alone, over 9,000 US officials have trained with Israeli military and police, including the Atlanta police who killed a 92 year old Black woman, Kathryn Johnson, Oakland police who used tear gas and rubber bullets to repress Occupy Oakland, and the LAPD who are now utilizing the drone technology that Israel pioneered. Thus, when Palestinians declare their solidarity with the people of Ferguson or offer protestors advice on dealing with teargas, or when demonstrators in Missouri carry signs reading “from Ferguson to Palestine occupation is a crime,” it grows out of a deep recognition of the ways in which the struggles against racism and colonialism in the US and the struggle against racist colonization in Palestine are bound together.

    As Jews committed to full justice for Black, Brown and Indigenous people in the United States, queer and trans communities, immigrants targeted by policing and repression, and for justice in Palestine, we assert that the ADL does not represent our interests and continually aligns itself with racism in the US and Israel and works to defend them against popular challenges. We reject this racism and proudly stand with Reggie Bush. We will work to expose the ADL, stop the role it plays in police collaboration between the US and Israel, and continue to organize against Police and military violence.

    To sign on to this statement, follow this link – https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PgWafnuqHRYkwN-y0h22g4PDCiyNrNUWbdOm36dDwYg/viewform?c=0&w=1

    SOURCE – http://ijsn.net/iworr/the-anti-defamation-league-sticks-to-what-it-knows-best-racism/

    P.S. ALSO SEE:“Israel’s worldwide role in repression”, Israel/Palestine International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, Mondoweiss.net, January 16, 2013
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/israels-worldwide-repression

  5. ritzl
    July 29, 2015, 9:42 pm

    So why and/or in what universe do professional sports players take free trips from gambling interests?

    These players should be “Pete Rose-ed” for the integrity of the game. So should Adelson.

    • CigarGod
      July 30, 2015, 8:50 am

      Very good point.

    • Kay24
      July 30, 2015, 9:26 am

      Good question. Have our politicians, and those of influential stand, no principals? Are they so cheap that they compromise their integrity, by accepting freebee trips to a nation already condemned for so many human rights abuses? Sheldon has interfered, and manipulated, with his dirty money, and it is refreshing to hear of someone turning down his offers, and refuse to sell his soul, in exchange for doing the propaganda work for the zionists, but the question is how often does that happen?

      • Annie Robbins
        July 30, 2015, 11:03 am

        the question is how often does that happen?

        my suspicion is this is one of the first effects we’re seeing of the vegas summit. expect a lot more of this kind of thing and more. i think it’s a indication we’ll see more individuals approached to be emissaries for the state to organize these gambits. but that’s probably just one aspect of everything they’ve cooked up.

  6. amigo
    July 30, 2015, 9:46 am

    Well, now that Blatter is out of a job , maybe the zionists will avail of his obedience to Israel , as evidenced by his refusal to kick their national football team out of FIFA.

    If Israel is determined to quell BDS , they had better be prepared to stump up mega billions to fight it on a global level. So many dedicated BDS,ers and growing.

    • a blah chick
      July 30, 2015, 10:31 am

      “If Israel is determined to quell BDS , they had better be prepared to stump up mega billions to fight it on a global level. So many dedicated BDS,ers and growing.”

      Yep, but how do you go after a grassroots movement with no connection to the plutocracy?

      Here’s another Adelson story I heard about. A few years back the family of an American killed in a terror attack in Israel was suing, if I recall correctly, the Bank of China, for allegedly laundering terra money. But the trial fell through because the Israeli agents who were to give testimony did not turn up. Supposedly the Chinese government called up Sheldon and told him that if he didn’t get Netanyahu to call off his dogs they would go after Adelson’s business interest in China. What a guy.

  7. Abdul-Rahman
    July 30, 2015, 10:48 am

    Seeing certain famous athletes who will go along and sellout their own communities to get that Adelson money, really gives one respect for famous people who didn’t let their status stop them from speaking truth to power.

    A hero like Muhammad Ali being a great historical example for athletes of conscious today to follow and emulate.

  8. edwardm
    July 30, 2015, 11:27 am

    the “mud” photos always make me think of this. “blackwashing” indeed.
    http://www.yourblackworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/23/blackface.jpg

    • Annie Robbins
      July 30, 2015, 3:57 pm

      i sooo thought of that edwardm. just a coincidence they’d be splashing around w/mud on them? not on your life.

  9. mikeo
    July 30, 2015, 12:08 pm

    Pinkwashing (along with Blackwashing) starting to become a bit of a problem for Israel…

    http://www.haaretz.com/beta/.premium-1.668796

    • just
      July 30, 2015, 12:44 pm

      It sure is, mikeo! I guess it’s not really the Eden or land of tolerance and love that they advertise.

      Thanks for sharing that terrible news.

    • ckg
      July 30, 2015, 12:58 pm

      And note how Haaretz avoids using the words terror and terrorism in this article.

      • just
        July 30, 2015, 1:25 pm

        So does the front page article on this in The Guardian:

        “Up to six men stabbed at gay pride march in Jerusalem

        Israeli media say suspect, described as an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man, had just been freed from prison for stabbing three people at the parade 10 years ago”

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/30/up-to-six-stabbed-at-gay-pride-march-in-jerusalem

        So it’s just a repeat offender and a lone wolf.

      • Kay24
        July 30, 2015, 2:42 pm

        That sounds like the Jewish Taliban. They have these people whose minds are still in the stone ages, they spit on little girls, and stone buses for having posters of women….and we are made to believe that these extremists are only in Islamic nations. I think they project too much.

      • Qualtrough
        July 30, 2015, 2:58 pm

        ckg – Well spotted. Here’s what he said in 2006:

        “I came to murder in the name of God. Such abomination cannot exist in Israel.”

      • RoHa
        July 30, 2015, 5:01 pm

        Do you think we should have one of those popular uprising thingies that Doublestandard advocates to save Western civilization from these primitives?

    • eljay
      July 30, 2015, 1:05 pm

      Education Minister and Habayit Hayehudi chairman Naftali Bennett called the stabbing a “moral crime that cannot be forgiven.”

      “Whoever did it harmed Jewish and moral values …

      1. The cauldron calls the teacup ‘black’.

      2. Is Mr. Bennett suggesting that Jewish and moral values permit terrorism, ethnic cleansing, occupation, colonization, devastation, torture, murder and supremacism? Or do they only permit these things when they’re committed by Jews against others?

    • lonely rico
      July 30, 2015, 11:28 pm

      Benzi Gopstein, chairman of the right-wing group Lehava, said that while activists from his organization staged a protest against the “abomination parade,” they

      “oppose the stabbing of Jews.”

      Gentiles ? Eh.

      Palestinians ? Go for it !

    • German Lefty
      July 31, 2015, 5:23 am

      Here’s a German article: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/jerusalem-mann-sticht-sechs-menschen-bei-schwulenparade-nieder-a-1046094.html
      The headline only says that a “man stabs six people at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem”. You have to read the article in order to find out that the man is an ultra-Orthodox Jew. When I saw the headline, my first assumption was that the man is a Palestinian.

      • Mooser
        August 3, 2015, 12:30 pm

        “You have to read the article in order to find out that the man is an ultra-Orthodox Jew. When I saw the headline, my first assumption was that the man is a Palestinian.”

        Really, does it make any difference? Aren’t you against stabbing, no matter who does it?

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:59 pm

        “Really, does it make any difference? Aren’t you against stabbing, no matter who does it?”

        You totally misinterpret my comment. Of course, I am against stabbing regardless of who does it. What I wanted to express is that the headline is Zionist propaganda. By only saying that the stabber was a “man”, readers are led to believe that the man is a Palestinian.

      • Mooser
        August 7, 2015, 4:11 pm

        “By only saying that the stabber was a “man”, readers are led to believe that the man is a Palestinian.”

        Sorry, I did misinterpret.

  10. just
    July 30, 2015, 2:57 pm

    Still no mention that this convict who stabbed again is really a ‘terrorist’. I think it’s futile to keep on looking.

    From +972 Mag:

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu condemned the attack, stating that, “We must ensure that every man and woman in Israel live securely no matter what choice they make,” and wished the wounded a speedy recovery.

    Education Minister Naftali Bennett, whose Jewish Home party was criticized by Israel’s LGBTQ community during this year’s election campaign for its homophobic platform, called the stabbing a “moral crime that cannot be forgiven.””

    http://972mag.com/at-least-six-stabbed-during-jerusalem-pride-parade/109436/

    The top picture accompanying the article is a very poor choice. Sorry. Link to picture:

    http://static1.972mag.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/07/Sarit.jpg

    • ckg
      July 31, 2015, 6:34 am

      I wouldn’t hold one’s breath waiting for his house to be demolished either.

  11. just
    July 30, 2015, 4:20 pm

    For a treat, some real culture, and some talk about BDS and other issues:

    “Roger Waters Sets the Record Straight: I Hate Apartheid, Not Israel
    Gideon Levy spent 24 hours with the former Pink Floyd singer, who has become one of the leading lights in the BDS movement. A conversation on political views, tragic family history – and when the rock star-turned-activist will be happy to play in Israel again.”
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/beta/.premium-1.668705

  12. German Lefty
    July 31, 2015, 4:54 am

    “Those killed are primarily black and brown.”

    Not true. Actually, half of the people killed by US police are white. However, the lives of white people don’t seem to count and that’s why their deaths are ignored. Only #BlackLivesMatter, right? It’s about time that left-wingers realise that #AllLivesMatter.

    • justicewillprevail
      July 31, 2015, 5:50 am

      Of course the deaths of white people are not ignored.
      Your statistics miss out the wider picture. Black Americans make up only 13% of the population, and are thus disproportionately two or three times as likely to be killed by the police as whites.
      Further, unarmed black people are twice as likely to be killed by the police as unarmed white people,
      Now add in the lighter sentences, or no sentences at all, for black deaths as we have seen recently, and even you might admit that the campaign has a very valid point.
      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
      http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-killed-police/19423

      • German Lefty
        July 31, 2015, 6:36 am

        “Of course the deaths of white people are not ignored.”

        Oh, really? US media, such as MSNBC, only ever report on police killings when the victims happen to be black. And German media, too. Therefore, one can only draw the conclusion that white lives don’t matter.

        “Black Americans make up only 13% of the population, and are thus disproportionately two or three times as likely to be killed by the police as whites.”

        So what? If the police killed people proportionately to their race, then would this make the killings okay? No!!! So, what’s your point?
        I know that there is some degree of racism within the police brutality. However, this doesn’t change the fact that the police brutality itself is the actual problem here. Focusing on the side issue of racism within the police brutality is a distraction from the main problem of police brutality itself. Police brutality is a general problem, which affects people of ALL races, including 50% whites. That’s why the slogan #BlackLivesMatter totally misses the point. Police have to respect the human rights of all people, because #AllLivesMatter. By eliminating police brutality altogether, we also automatically eliminate the racism within that police brutality.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2015, 10:19 am

        Focusing on the side issue of racism within the police brutality is a distraction from the main problem of police brutality itself. Police brutality is a general problem, which affects people of ALL races, including 50% whites.

        willful ignorance is no excuse.

      • CigarGod
        July 31, 2015, 10:28 am

        Some lives matter more than others.
        In this case, white lives.
        If you are sincere, then you must address the racism inherent in white officers on black lives.
        You can’t separate them as you wish to do.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 31, 2015, 10:47 am

        You are wilfully missing the point, and just making silly allegations. Your response indicates you haven’t understood the argument at all. Read the links. Racism is a real problem, not one you can wish away. Institutional racism in organisations like the police is a huge issue, which won’t be solved by pretending that it is simply an issue of ‘violence’.

      • Mooser
        August 3, 2015, 11:56 am

        “Not true. Actually, half of the people killed by US police are white.”

        Holy Shit?!?! You are a “Lefty”? Hoo-boy!

        Ge, I have an idea! Why don’t we compare the circumstances under which black people and white people are shot by police? Shall we?

        We are going to call a shoot-out with robbers or a drug bust gone bad the same as a person being shot inside their vehicle at a traffic stop? Or an unarmed person stopped on the street ending up shot? Get real.

        Let me tell you “German Lefty” after a lifetime of experience, the entire difference between black and white “crime rates” is this: As a ‘white’ person, I, you, whoever, can get away with a ton of shit a ‘black’ person never could because our civil rights are generally respected. I don’t get stopped, I don’t get searched, I don’t get questioned the way black people do. Jesus, I hate to talk in these terms, but it’s a simple reality of American life.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 3, 2015, 12:48 pm

        half of the people killed by US police are white.

        oh my. considering how many more white people there are in this country compared to blacks that percentage, if true which is doubtful, indicates a huge imbalance.

    • diasp0ra
      August 3, 2015, 8:51 am

      I must admit I am disappointed to read this shallow point of view that sounds nice on the outside but ignores centuries of institutional violence and racism. I’d expect this stuff from over-sheltered liberals and not from a self proclaimed “lefty”.

      What you’re basically doing is taking the “colorblind” approach, which is actually in itself a form of racism. The hashtag blacklivesmatter came up only because those were the lives that were being DISPROPORTIONATELY and WIDELY extinguished for things white lives are not. In your very post you say how the numbers are almost equal, but given the proportions of each group in society that should be shocking proof that black people are targeted much more often than white people. Racism is institutional, it’s not just someone calling the other a bad slur. The US was founded on institutional racism and ethnic cleansing, it is no better in its inception than Israel was/is.

      Now when you go out and yell alllivesmatter over blacklivesmatter you’re basically ascribing the same problems, experiences, and degree of injustice equally. It’s as if a Jewish Israeli is talking about how the “conflict” really harms us all. On the surface this is true, but you KNOW that there is no justified comparison between an Israeli Jew living in Tel Aviv and a Palestinian in Gaza. It sounds nice and equal on the surface, but it is actually stepping on the true victim and putting them on the same foot as their oppressor. It’s flowery liberal BS that has 0 analytical depth or critical thought.

      Also it’s really interesting that the alllivesmatter movement only came out of the woodworks when blacklivesmatter started to trend. It’s really interesting that nobody was saying anything about police brutality except as a rebuttal to try and shut black people up about coming forward with their SPECIFIC experiences that nobody else has gone through. Where were all these people when black people were targeted before the hashtag? Are they not a part of the alllivesmatter?

      Historical context is everything. What you’re doing is basically removing that from the equation, going “Oh I don’t see color” like so many unaware people do, instantly equalizing the oppressed with the oppressor and deleting the history of subordination and superiority, making them seem equal and at the same time de facto implying that their situation is their own doing because hey, racism isn’t a thing anymore, because I don’t see color.

      • Mooser
        August 3, 2015, 12:28 pm

        Then again, maybe the Left in Germany has become ambidextrous.

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 3:10 pm

        @ Diaspora

        “What you’re basically doing is taking the “colorblind” approach, which is actually in itself a form of racism.”
        -> I do take the colour-blind approach precisely because it’s the only non-racist alternative. Anything other than race-neutrality is racism. Reverse racism is as unjust as the original racism. That’s also why I am an anti-Zionist. Zionists claim that one can only fight preferential treatment of non-Jews (Nazism) with preferential treatment of Jews (Zionism). However, two wrongs don’t make a right. The only solution is race-neutral equal treatment. And yes, I know that Jews aren’t a race.

        “The hashtag blacklivesmatter came up only because those were the lives that were being DISPROPORTIONATELY and WIDELY extinguished for things white lives are not.”
        -> Yes, I know. However, “disproportionately” is not the same as “only”. If black people were the only victims of US police brutality, then I would be fine with the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. When 50% of people killed by the police are white and the reaction to police killings is the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, then that’s pure racism because it’s a total disregard for white lives. As a left-winger, I reject one-sided statements like ” Black lives matter.” or “White lives matter.” To me, all lives matter equally much. People who don’t think that all lives matter are racist.

        “Racism is institutional, it’s not just someone calling the other a bad slur.”
        -> No. Institutional racism is just one form of racism. Calling someone a racial slur is another form of racism.

        “Now when you go out and yell alllivesmatter over blacklivesmatter you’re basically ascribing the same problems, experiences, and degree of injustice equally.”
        -> No, I don’t. That’s a totally baseless assumption. By saying that “all lives matter (equally)”, I express that all people regardless of race deserve equal treatment and equal rights. One has to be very evil-minded to read racism into this demand for equality.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 3, 2015, 3:35 pm

        When 50% of people killed by the police are white and the reaction to police killings is the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, then that’s pure racism

        where’s your source for this info GL? because the only source i can find is a this: CNN says More Whites Were Killed From Police Brutality in 2014 – See more at: http://thereelnetwork.net/the-primary-victims-of-police-brutality-and-theyre-not-black-people/#sthash.XluEsiEA.dpuf

        but note there is NO link to a CNN report making that claim, merely a graphic with no source for the info included.

        and note the articles framing “blacks may not even be the main victims targeted by police brutality…” and ” It was reported nationwide that in the year of 2014″ but no embed. was the nationwide report this photo they offered?

        plus, here is a CNN report claiming there are no federal statistics for this information: “Where’s the data on officer-involved killings?” http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/us/ferguson-police-involved-shootings-killings-data/

        Some police departments do provide figures on the use of force, but the sample does not constitute a national portrait, experts say.

        The problem begins with police reports: They don’t contain a check box to indicate whether someone who has been arrested is an officer, for example.

        “There’s nothing in any of those systems where you would put down that a cop got arrested,” Stinson said.

        This void exists despite the federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. It requires the government to keep “data about the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers” and “an annual summary of the data.”

        Federal study: No excessive force in 99.6% of calls

        Such a database was deemed unfeasible, according to researchers of a pilot study that the federal government funded after the law’s passage.

        and this site http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ claims black people are 3 times more likely to be by police than white people. so, who is your source?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 3, 2015, 3:40 pm

        By saying that “all lives matter (equally)”, I express that all people regardless of race deserve equal treatment and equal rights.

        but where’s your evidence they receive equal treatment? ie where are the whites gunned down from traffic infractions vs criminals escaping or something? can you name a few?

      • just
        August 3, 2015, 3:44 pm

        This might prove helpful:

        “The Counted
        People killed by police in the US”

        http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:03 pm

        “It’s as if a Jewish Israeli is talking about how the conflict really harms us all. On the surface this is true, but you KNOW that there is no justified comparison between an Israeli Jew living in Tel Aviv and a Palestinian in Gaza.”

        Well, it’s true that the conflict harms not just Palestinians but also Jews. Pointing out that the conflict “harms us all” is a perfectly correct assessment. Here’s what you get wrong: You misinterpret “harms us all” as “harms us all equally much and/or in exactly the same way”. You see words that aren’t there at all. So, please stop reading things into statements. Reading things into statements is actually a Zionist tactic.
        Likewise, the statement “All lives matter.” does NOT imply that blacks and whites suffer equally much and/or in exactly the same way. It just says that black people’s lives and white people’s lives matter equally much and therefore the human rights of everyone must be respected.
        When I argue with Zionist Jews, I often stress the fact that Zionism is not just bad for Palestinians but also bad for Jews. If I only tell them that Zionism is unjust to Palestinians, the reply is something like this: “I am not a Palestinian. So, what do I care?” However, when you add the information that there’s something at stake for Jews too, then they are usually willing to listen.
        I think that this tactic would be useful in regard to police brutality too. If black people acknowledged that white people are victims of police brutality too instead of only focusing on the black victims, they could gain much more support from white people in their fight against police brutality. By emphasising that police brutality is a general problem that affects people of any race, you can mobilise more people. Claiming that police brutality is only about the evil whites murdering the innocent blacks totally alienates white opponents of police brutality.
        As you know, I am an anti-Zionist. However, if the anti-Zionist movement used the hashtag #PalestinianLivesMatter, then I would have been much more hesitant to become an anti-Zionist. The emphasis should always be on equality. For that reason, gay people demand “marriage equality” instead of “gay marriage”.

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:09 pm

        “but where’s your evidence they receive equal treatment?”

        Annie, please stop misinterpreting my statement. #AllLivesMatter is a DEMAND that ALL people’s human rights are respected.

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:18 pm

        Only focusing on the black victims of police brutality is like only focusing on the Jewish victims of Nazism.

      • diasp0ra
        August 3, 2015, 4:25 pm

        @German Lefty

        You are running around in a circle. You didn’t address a single thing, merely stated the things you said earlier once more.

        Color blind racism is a documented thing, you refusing to acknowledge it does not reflect on the term, but on you as refusing to critically examine why it’s a problem.

        What you’re describing is not justice, but equality. They are not necessarily the same. Equality is demanding that someone with a stubbed toe get the same attention and aid as someone with a severed limb. On paper, that’s equality, but it’s not justice and it’s not right.

        Equality is giving a starving child and a millionaire the same amount of state welfare, when obviously one needs it more than the other, and where it is obviously a matter of life and death for one and not for the other. That’s equality, but it’s not justice.

        Same with your colorblind approach. If you wish to learn more, there are literally dozens of articles as to why color blindness is a form of racism.

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

        http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/colorblindness-adds-to-racism/

        Again, I know why it sounds so rosy and equal, but it’s not. It’s incredibly shallow and uncritical, just as shallow and uncritical as treating Palestinians and Israelis the same in the aftermath of the last Gaza onslaught. That’s basically what you’re doing with the black struggle in America against police brutality. They are simply not just another group victimized, this victimization has history and context behind it that is not available when discussing white victims of police brutality, thus blacklivesmatter.

        One last note, on the topic of reverse racism and other such nonsense. Black people aren’t out there blasting white people, they are out there demanding the police stop hunting them down. They are trying to fight the system. Full stop.

        You can’t strip out history and treat all groups equally in that analysis. It’s not helpful, it’s shallow, it’s uncritical and it’s condescending. There isn’t much more to say on this, as it seems you are willfully missing the point that multiple posters have already made.

        I just don’t understand where all this ferocity comes from /specifically/ when it comes to blacklivesmatter. What is it that ticks people off so much about black people saying their lives matter in a system that has told them it doesn’t for centuries? Why only when black people come forward with their experiences do people feel the need to go WHAT ABOUT ME TOO? Where were these concerns before blacklivesmatter?

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:33 pm

        “where’s your source for this info GL?”

        Annie, the link is in the article under “400 people were shot and killed”. The linked article says, “About half the victims were white, half minority.” When about half the victims are white, Zirin’s claim that “those killed are primarily black and brown” is clearly a lie.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2015, 2:45 am

        here’s what it says. and let’s pretend (NOT) you just forgot to read the following sentences:

        ●About half the victims were white, half minority. But the demographics shifted sharply among the unarmed victims, two-thirds of whom were black or Hispanic. Overall, blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities when adjusting by the population of the census tracts where the shootings occurred.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/2015/05/30/d322256a-058e-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html

        seriously GL, i never realized what a racist you were until this exchange. this is willful denial.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2015, 3:08 am

        Zirin’s claim that “those killed are primarily black and brown” is clearly a lie.

        clearly?:

        Currently, the FBI struggles to gather the most basic data. Reporting is voluntary, and since 2011, less than 3 percent of the nation’s 18,000 state and local police agencies have reported fatal shootings by their officers to the FBI. As a result, FBI records over the past decade show only about 400 police shootings a year — an average of 1.1 deaths per day.

        According to The Post’s analysis, the daily death toll so far for 2015 is close to 2.6. At that pace, police will have shot and killed nearly 1,000 people by the end of the year.

      • German Lefty
        August 3, 2015, 4:51 pm

        @ Diaspora

        You didn’t address a single thing, merely stated the things you said earlier once more.
        -> I think that I made myself clear and adressed everything. You need to read my second post to you, too.

        “You can’t strip out history and treat all groups equally in that analysis.”
        -> Oh, really? You sound like a Zionist. Zionists, too, argue against equality by bringing up history. Past and present are two different things. Present-day blacks shouldn’t pretend to be slaves. Present-day Jews shouldn’t claim that a 2nd Holocaust is imminent. People need to stop living in the past.

      • diasp0ra
        August 3, 2015, 5:29 pm

        @German Lefty

        Haha, are you for real? I sound like a Zionist?

        You’re still not getting my point. I understand your point perfectly, it is usually the departure point of people just tipping their toes into the concepts of social justice. Color blind approaches don’t work. There is a lot of research on this, there are a lot of papers on this, you can’t strip history and context from things.

        Black people aren’t “living in the past” they aren’t “pretending they are slaves”. But what YOU need to do is stop pretending that centuries of inequality are going to vaporize into thin air as soon as slavery was abolished.

        Are you familiar with the concepts of generational wealth? Generational education? How can you even pretend to entertain the concept that Black and White people in the US are even remotely on the same footing? Because intentional or not, that’s what your phrasing implies. You might know what you mean, but words are powerful things.

        http://everydayfeminism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/A-Concise-History-Of-Black-White-Relations-In-The-United-States.png

        I’m sorry, but it seems to me that you’re very unfamiliar with core basics of social justice. Words have meanings and connotations, I explained to you and linked to you why color blind approaches do not work, and usually make the situation worse by creating an implied false equivalence.

        Your last paragraph makes no sense. Black people in America have been struggling for equal rights for centuries in the US, and they still are to this day. I don’t need to explain this to you, there are countless sources on how white centric the US is and how black people are disproportionately discriminated against. Zionists on the other hand have always been perpetrators through the very nature of the Israeli state.

        Your analogy would make sense if black people were the ones in control in the US. They are not. This is getting pretty old, and I really have no will to continue this discussion. It’s pretty late and honestly you’re making a lot of “rookie” statements when it comes to race relations, it’s easy to tell you lack actual experience in the field and forgive me if I sound presumptuous, but it also sounds like you don’t understand how systemic discrimination works or have never experienced it yourself.

        I have given you links should you be interested in actually understanding why color blindness never has and never will work -not until a basic justice is achieved and people are on equal footing. But like I said, you’re proposing handling the victim with a stubbed toe the same way you handle someone with a severed limb.

      • Sibiriak
        August 4, 2015, 1:13 am

        Annie Robbins: … this site link to mappingpoliceviolence.org claims black people are 3 times more likely to be by police than white people
        ———————

        Thanks for the link. Interesting site which clearly makes no attempt to hide it’s political biases and relies on highly simplified “talking points.”

        For example, the third sentence there reads:

        On August 9, 2014, Michael Brown Jr. was murdered by Officer Darren Wilson, sparking nationwide protests against police killings of black people.

        Yet, it was far from proved that Michael brown was murdered .

        Further down we find:

        It’s not about crime

        Fewer than 1 in 3 black people killed by police in America last year were suspected of a violent crime and armed with a gun.

        Non-Violent (71%) Violent Suspect Armed w/ Gun (29%)

        That statement raises many questions:

        1) Why do the statistics deal only with a single year?

        2) Isn’t 29% violent/armed with a gun a substantial percentage? The statement could just as well have read: “Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in America last year were suspected of a violent crime and armed with a gun. “

        3) What about being suspected of a violent crime but not armed with a gun?

        4) What about non-violent crime?

        5) How does the quoted statistic show that it is entirely “not about crime”?

        Police racism is undoubtedly a terrible reality, but the role played by criminality in many of these cases should not be ignored.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2015, 1:57 am

        2) Isn’t 29% violent/armed with a gun a substantial percentage? The statement could just as well have read: “Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in America last year were suspected of a violent crime and armed with a gun. “

        no, absolutely 29% violent/armed with a gun a NOT, in my book, a substantial percentage. the number should be 100% for what other reason would police have to gun down a criminal? police are not the judge and jury and executioner. they are supposed to arrest people unless their lives are threatened.

        1) Why do the statistics deal only with a single year?

        maybe they are a new operation on a low budget and could only afford the last year wrt statistics. lots of polls and data relate to the last year. that’s not unusual.

        3) What about being suspected of a violent crime but not armed with a gun?

        i think we can assume police suspect black people of violent crime more than white people. just like driving while black has proven to garner more suspicion from police than driving while white.

        5) How does the quoted statistic show that it is entirely “not about crime”?

        why not ask How does the quoted statistic show that you beat your wife last night?

        the role played by criminality in many of these cases should not be ignored.

        police are supposed to police, not kill people — except in drastic extenuating circumstance.

        “Officer who killed #SamDubose issued 81% of his tickets to Black folk.”

      • Sibiriak
        August 4, 2015, 3:31 am

        Annie Robbins: no, absolutely 29% violent/armed with a gun a NOT, in my book, a substantial percentage. the number should be 100% for what other reason would police have to gun down a criminal?
        ————————–
        What about attacking with a knife, no gun? To give one possibility.

        What about attacking with a gun, but without being suspected of a previous crime. To give another.

        What about attacking someone physically without a weapon?
        ————————
        AR: police are not the judge and jury and executioner. they are supposed to arrest people unless their lives are threatened.

        No disagreement there. But lives can be threatened without the attacker having BOTH a gun and suspicion of having committed a crime.

        It just seems like the issue of the role of criminality is more complex than that statistic suggests.
        ———————-
        AR: 5) How does the quoted statistic show that it is entirely “not about crime”?

        why not ask How does the quoted statistic show that you beat your wife last night?

        Non sequitur. The site makes the broad, unequivocal claim: “It’s not about crime”, then tries to back up that claim with the statistic in question. But in many cases it is indeed about crime. Many cases–not all! My question, therefore, is exactly on point. It doesn’t have to be either/or. In some but not all cases, criminality is a significant element.

        ——————

        AR: police are supposed to police, not kill people — except in drastic extenuating circumstance.

        No shit. That’s a truism. How many Americans do you think would disagree with that? But it begs the question: in how many of these cases (in the given statistics) were there extenuating circumstances? It would be blatantly false to say ” in all or most of them”– there is overwhelming evidence of police racism and brutality, not to mention sheer incompetence. But it would be equally false to say (or suggest) “in none or very few of them”. I think we need a balanced, nuanced analysis, not oversimplification. I think the that site oversimplifies the issue, that”s all. Otherwise, I agree with many of your points.

      • German Lefty
        August 4, 2015, 4:34 am

        “seriously GL, i never realized what a racist you were until this exchange. this is willful denial.”

        So, acknowledging that white people too are victims of US police brutality is racist? Seriously!? Actually, the opposite is true. Not acknowledging that white people too are victims of US police brutality is racist.
        Zirin’s statement that “those killed are primarily black and brown” refers to absolute numbers, not to the racial proportion with regard to the overall population. However, when you look at the source that he linked himself, then it’s clear that his statement is incorrect, because of those 400 people he refers to “about half the victims were white”. Had he said that “those killed are disproportionately black and brown”, then it would have been a correct statement.
        Anyway, human lives must be counted in numbers, not in proportions to the population. Saying that the killing of 103 blacks is more terrible and deserves more attention than the killing of 180 whites is pure racism. It totally reminds me of this Latuff cartoon: https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/two-weights-two-measures-gaza-israel-altagreer.gif
        Every individual life is equally precious. By shouting “black lives matter” when actually more white people are killed, you make it sound like black people’s lives are more important than white people’s lives. If you insist on counting human lives by proportion to the population, then let me give you this example to make you realise how racist this it: There are way more Asians than whites on the planet, right? So, by your logic, killing 100 whites has to be regarded as more terrible than killing 300 Asians, because whites are killed disproportionately.

        “Overall, blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities when adjusting by the population.”

        I know that black people are disproportionately killed. I already addressed this issue in a previous post. Here’s what I wrote:
        “So what? If the police killed people proportionately to their race, then would this make the killings okay? No!!! So, what’s your point? I know that there is some degree of racism within the police brutality. However, this doesn’t change the fact that the police brutality itself is the actual problem here. Focusing on the side issue of racism within the police brutality is a distraction from the main problem of police brutality itself. Police brutality is a general problem, which affects people of ALL races, including 50% whites.”
        You (unwittingly) make the same kind of argument when talking to Sibiriak. He said, “The role played by criminality in many of these cases should not be ignored.” You replied, “Police are supposed to police, not kill people – except in drastic extenuating circumstance.” I fully agree with that statement of yours. However, if you understand that the role played by criminality should be ignored, then you should also understand that the role played by race/racism should be ignored, because “Police are supposed to police, not kill people – regardless of race.” In other words: #AllLivesMatter

      • German Lefty
        August 4, 2015, 5:02 am

        @ diasp0ra

        “You’re still not getting my point.”
        I do get your point. You lump people together as racial groups. I see people as individuals. I support social justice. That’s precisely why I am against any form of racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is inherently unjust.

        “Color blind approaches don’t work.”
        There is also a lot of research that finds that affirmative action doesn’t work.
        For example:
        Now we have 1% rich whites, 99% poor whites, and 100% poor blacks.
        Affirmate actions leads to 1% rich whites, 99% poor whites, 1% rich blacks, and 99% poor blacks.
        Affirmate action may eliminate the racial divide but not the way more severe class divide.
        The issue of racism is used to drive a wedge between the poor masses and to distract them from the much bigger problem of classism.

        “You’re proposing handling the victim with a stubbed toe the same way you handle someone with a severed limb.”
        No, I don’t. You clearly don’t understand my reasoning.

      • diasp0ra
        August 4, 2015, 10:57 am

        @German Lefty

        “I do get your point. You lump people together as racial groups. I see people as individuals. I support social justice. That’s precisely why I am against any form of racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is inherently unjust.”

        If people were on equal footing, then YES, I would agree with you, but THEY AREN’T. How is this not apparent to you?

        You can’t pretend people are divorced from the reality and history they are living in. At this point this is willful ignorance. Black poverty (and as a result, many societal problems) today is a direct legacy of slavery and centuries of racism and discrimination. You can’t talk about this poverty, this terrible situation without talking about its root causes.

        People are individuals, but they are also part of racial/religious/whatever groups at the same time. You have to treat them with that in mind. This is the problem with color blind approaches, people are multiple things, they are individuals but also parts of groups. I’m not suggesting people need to be treated differently, but I’m suggesting that different needs and circumstances require different remedies. There is NO RACIAL COMPONENT to white victims of police brutality, but there is in the case of black victims. It needs to be addressed.

        I get your point completely, you obviously still don’t get mine because of your response. I don’t think you’re racist, but I think you’re very shallow in your understanding of race relations and systematic and institutional discrimination.

        You should also look up intersectionality and Kyriarchy.

        Racism, sexism, classism all work in separate but overlapping spheres. You can’t talk about classism without bringing up the other spheres of oppression, and vice versa. You can’t understand everything through classism without bringing in other elements as well, otherwise poor Israelis are just as much victims as poor Palestinians, even though poor Israelis contribute to the victimization of all Palestinians. I seriously cannot wrap my head around you wanting to remove history and narrative from the question. It just doesn’t work.

        If your theory in ignoring race is to be believed, then black women should have been perfectly equal to white women after the women rights movement, but we all know it wasn’t so, and black women still needed to sit at the back of the bus. Why? Because their blackness affected their individual rights in society because the whole system discriminates against whole groups, which are full of individuals, but the individuals are never free from their group that they belong to. Your method overlooks this which makes it unrealistic and clueless.

        Affirmative action has a million criticisms in how it’s implemented, that was not the topic of our discussion. We were talking about colorblind racism, which you refuse to even acknowledge as a form of racism even though there are legions of POC academics who have written about it and demonstrated how it is never helpful and always makes things worse because it de facto turns the issue to an individual basis ignoring the whole system of oppression that supports the status quo. Again, see the women’s rights example above.

        If you are actually interested in learning more there is so much you can find and read, it’s very easy these days. On a further note, you really have no place in telling oppressed people how to react to their own oppression. They are the ones living this experience, they are the ones that tried to fight it through the system which failed time after time, and they get to decide how they respond to that failure and it’s not my or your place to tell them what they should or shouldn’t do.

        All lives do not matter currently. Some lives matter more than others with black lives at the bottom of the barrel. They are easily the most targeted minority. Proportionality does play a role, you can’t go by on total numbers. That’s ridiculous and unscientific and very naive to be quite frank.

        I think your heart is in the right place but at this point it’s obvious you don’t have a deep understanding of what you’re talking about, it’s quite divorced from reality. So against my better judgement I wrote this comment. As MLK said:

        “Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”

      • CigarGod
        August 4, 2015, 11:36 am

        Wonderful!
        Now, I don’t need to try to explain the same thing…and probably get lost doing it.

      • German Lefty
        August 4, 2015, 3:14 pm

        This indicent was on the German evening news today: https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=72vu6nxZX58
        So, please, stop pretending that police brutality is not a general problem. US police simply have no respect for human rights. They view the people they police as objects, not as equal human beings with human rights.

      • CigarGod
        August 4, 2015, 5:46 pm

        No one has said that. No one.
        Loosen your Lederhosen, have 6 pints on me, and try again in the morning.

      • Mooser
        August 7, 2015, 4:21 pm

        “There is also a lot of research that finds that affirmative action doesn’t work.”

        So if US police actually treat black lives with the same consideration they treat white lives, and blacks have equal rights under the law, that is a form of “affirmative action”? That is a fucking hand-out? (Not that I think affirmative action is.)

        You have very little understanding of American civil rights. Although you seem to have a pretty good grasp of the politics of right-wing racial resentment. Some people have gone far with that.

      • German Lefty
        August 7, 2015, 5:32 pm

        Mooser – “So if US police actually treat black lives with the same consideration they treat white lives, and blacks have equal rights under the law, that is a form of “affirmative action”? That is a fucking hand-out?”

        What you write doesn’t make any sense. No idea why you read such weird stuff into my comment.
        I am for equal rights and against any form of racial discrimination. I reject affirmative action because it is a form of racial discrimination.

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