Mother of Palestinian baby burned to death tried to save her child

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Riham Dawabshe, the mother of 18 month-old Ali Dawabshe who burned to death in a settler arson attack Friday in the West Bank hamlet of Duma, tried to save her baby while fleeing from her home, engulfed in flames. Gasoline bombs had crashed into the building shortly after 1:30 am and quickly it filled with opaque smoke. Dawabshe, herself on fire, grabbed a blanket she thought cradled her son. She rushed outside. But the blanket was empty, a fact the mother only realized when in her front yard. Yet at that time the fire had grown, making reentry impossible.

Dawabshe then screamed as her baby burned alive a few feet away.

The details on the final moments of Ali’s short life were revealed Saturday night by Dawabshe’s brother in-law, Nasser Dawabshe, who addressed a Tel Aviv crowd of more than 2,000 Israelis protesting the killing. Ali Dawabshe was not the only victim mourned. Over the past week and a half six Palestinians and one Israeli were killed. On Thursday, the night before the Dawabshe’s home was attacked, a right-wing Israeli recently released from prison for murdering an Israeli in 2005 at a Jerusalem pride parade struck again. Yishai Schlissel stabbed six Israelis at this year’s pride event. Sixteen year old Shira Banki succumbed to the injuries this evening.

Tearfully, Nasser Dawabshe delivered the following speech [full text],

“This has no precedence. I was with the family at my father’s house, who has illness in the kidneys. And our mother is also ill. After midnight—1:30 [am] at night—each one went to their own home. After a half an hour, the family was surprised that something burning was thrown at their house. It was very strong and the whole house burned. There’s nothing left.

At that moment my brother Sa’ed and his wife Riham caught on fire. Despite the burns, Sa’ed carried his son, four year old Ahmad, outside the house. Riham grabbed a blanket, she thought that the child, Ali, was in the blanket. But they learned that the child wasn’t in the blanket, but was left inside.

She [Riham] began to yell “Where’s Ali?!” Ali was was burning. She saw him burn. She begged her family to bring her burned baby to her.

At that time no one was able to enter the house because the fire was so big. By the time the fire brigade had arrived and put out the fire, and we finally got inside, we witnessed the horrific sight. We saw Ali completely burned, his whole body covered in burns and nothing we can do to save him. Riham went to sleep wishing her baby sweet dreams and they came and burned a family, sound asleep.

A family that loved its life and doesn’t believe in violence. My brother Sa’ed is loved by the whole village. Netanyahu sends his condolences, and we ask him, the army and the Ministry of Defense to bring security to the village of Duma and all Palestinian villages.

We, the people under occupation, demand the capture of the killers and to bring them to justice. Secondly, we’d like to thank everyone who supported us through these events. We also ask the UN [United Nations] to stand with us, the Palestinian people, to get our freedom. We are a people who believe in life. And we ask the world to stand with us.

I want to ask Netanyahu one question and I expect him to answer. I left my house at 3 in the morning and returned at 12 midnight. I found my mother and father waiting for me. Mother asked me when Sa’ed will return? I say to Netanyahu and all his army: When does Sa’ed return? When does Riham return? When will Ahmad return? Why was Ali murdered? Eighteen months, what was his crime? What has he done to your army? What has he done to your settlers?”

Nasser Dawabshe was joined on stage by heads of the Israeli left. “We must tell the truth. This is Jewish terror, racist terror. Full of hate. These are terrorists,” said opposition leader Isaac Herzog from the Zionist Camp. “We can’t loose this battle. We can’t allow the hate to go wild. We can’t let extremist groups to hide under a cloak of social, or political movements. To enjoy state funds and the blessing of leaders and rabbis and teachers, whether directly or in directly,” Herzog continued.

Both attacks—against the Dawabshe family and the Jerusalem pride paraders—are viewed by the Israeli government as acts of terror and were swiftly and repeatedly condemned. Today Israel’s security cabinet announced it would use British mandatory military code in its investigation, employing the practice of administrative detention—arrest without charge, a form of imprisonment that is used to detain Palestinians from the occupied territories. Over the next week Israel will debate drafting new anti-terror legislation aimed at combating right-wing acts of violence against Palestinians and Israeli Jews.

Israelis protest in Tel Aviv the killing of Ali Dawabshe, a Palestinian 18-month old who was murdered in an arson attack by settlers on Friday. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Israelis protest in Tel Aviv the killing of Ali Dawabshe, a Palestinian 18-month old who was murdered in an arson attack by settlers on Friday. (Photo: Allison Deger)

But some are not convinced the measures will be far-reaching enough. “It’s a kind of  lip service that they are doing,” said Zahava Gal-On, head of Israel’s left-leaning Meretz party at the Tel Aviv rally on Saturday. “I don’t believe them, they are not condemning any Jewish terror, they are not acting against Jewish terror.” 

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas warned against retaliation attacks on Israeli citizens following Ali Dawabshe’s murder. He said his government would open an investigation into the crime, and today promised to announces changes to the role of Palestinian security forces next month. Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also spoke over the telephone on Friday, the second time the two have conversed during the past year.

Yet it is unclear if the calls for calm will reduce tension. Two Palestinians were killed by the army over the weekend in clashes that broke out across the West Bank and East Jerusalem. On Friday, an Israeli vehicle was shot at while driving on a settler highway outside of Duma in the West Bank. Israeli police are also investigating threats made against President Reuven Rivlin on social media, following a statement the president made to the Arab public.

“I feel a sense of shame, and moreover a sense of pain. Pain over the murder of a small baby. Pain that from my people, there are those who have chosen the path of terrorism, and have lost their humanity,” Rivlin said on Friday.

44 Responses

  1. just
    August 2, 2015, 11:13 pm

    “… Riham went to sleep wishing her baby sweet dreams and they came and burned a family, sound asleep.

    A family that loved its life and doesn’t believe in violence. My brother Sa’ed is loved by the whole village. …”

    Agony upon agony. Misery upon misery. Horror upon horror.

    An empty blanket and excruciating pain and loss.

    All Palestinians want is what every human wants~ life with freedom, safety, respect, possibilities, dignity, etc.

    I regret to say that I have less than zero faith in the Israeli government or forces to bring the terrorists to their punishment, and to deliver swift justice and enact positive change.

    Thanks, Allison.

    • Kay24
      October 5, 2015, 11:04 am

      Just: Agony upon agony. Misery upon misery. Horror upon horror.

      ….and the world does sweet nothing. If this was the other way around, the Israeli lobbies, and the other servants of zio land would have politicized this to the hilt. By now, the suspects, and even those associated with the suspects, would have had their homes demolished, been arrested, and their families made to feel that they are all made to pay for it.

      These Jewish terrorists, are utterly ruthless, and are as violent as ISIS.

  2. Blaine Coleman
    August 3, 2015, 12:00 am

    I am dumbfounded at the lack of boycott action after this baby was incinerated. Still no boycotts in any city council? Still no hint of a September campus campaign to boycott “Israel”, that racist bastard state?

    Why the inaction, even now? Contrast that with the gigantic worldwide outcry for extradition of Cecil the Lion’s killer.

    • Mooser
      August 3, 2015, 12:34 pm

      “I am dumbfounded at the lack of boycott action after this baby was incinerated.”

      Yes, you were left nearly speechless.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 3, 2015, 12:51 pm

        you were left nearly speechless.

        only in our wildest dreams.

    • Cliff
      August 3, 2015, 12:43 pm

      Racism and identity politics.

      We tend to forget that we’re all animals basically.

      Empathy is learned – not in-born to the human condition.

      • RoHa
        August 3, 2015, 1:39 pm

        “We tend to forget that we’re all animals basically.

        Empathy is learned – not in-born to the human condition.”

        Many animals show concern for the well-being of others. They seem to have built-in tendencies to do this.
        Why do you suppose that empathy is not one of the built-in tendencies of human animals?

  3. Kris
    August 3, 2015, 12:48 am

    Thank you, Allison, for your outstanding reporting.

    In the shock of the explosion, flames and smoke, the young mother grabbed her baby, wrapped in his blanket, and ran outside. Only to discover that her baby was not in the blanket, he was in the flames, screaming for her as he was burned to death.

    If this poor young mother lives, she will be remembering all of this every moment of every day, trying to find a way that it didn’t happen, and blaming herself for not saving her baby.

    • Citizen
      August 3, 2015, 6:06 am

      Yes, so sad, one moment they all slept in their beds, the next, burning alive, rushing to rescue their burning children.

  4. Boomer
    August 3, 2015, 6:09 am

    This and similar events will have a lasting effect on this mother, her future children, and those of countless other Palestinian mothers. Last week Krista Tippett interviewed Rachel Yehuda about the epigenetic changes caused by stress (link below). They talked a lot about Jews, Jewish trauma, and how Jews deal with trauma. Krista made a passing reference to African Americans and Native Americans. No one said anything about Palestinians.

    Excerpt from the On Being website:

    “Genetics describes DNA sequencing, but epigenetics sees that genes can be turned on and off and expressed differently through changes in environment and behavior. Rachel Yehuda is a pioneer in understanding how the effects of stress and trauma can transmit biologically, beyond cataclysmic events, to the next generation. She has studied the children of Holocaust survivors and of pregnant women who survived the 9/11 attacks. But her science is a form of power for flourishing beyond the traumas large and small that mark each of our lives and those of our families and communities.”

    link to onbeing.org

    • just
      August 3, 2015, 8:24 am

      Thanks, Boomer.

      Krista should ask Avigail Abarbanel for an interview. She can ask Dr. Alice Rothchild, too.

      I guess that would upset their and their listeners’ applecarts, though.

    • Cliff
      August 3, 2015, 12:47 pm

      Palestinians are part of Jewish identity within the Zionist context.

      So Jews like Rachel who willfully ignores Palestinians in any of her analyses is just a fanatic.

      They’re pathological in their bias.

  5. just
    August 3, 2015, 8:46 am

    “In a column Sunday for the Yedioth Ahronoth daily, Dawabsha described how his wife chose to sleep on the roof Thursday night because of the heat. In the middle of the night, she noticed their daughter’s residence some distance away was in flames.

    “She woke me up screaming,” he wrote. “I told myself, this cannot be happening.

    “I jumped in the car and raced over there. I refused to believe it. When I got there, I was met with a scene I will never forget: the house was totally burned, there was soot everywhere, and the stench was terrible. I went crazy… I sat on the floor and sobbed. My family is gone.”

    Dawabsha said the doctors informed him that Ali “probably cried and screamed from pain — but no one could save him.

    “The fire got him as his mother carried him on her back, and he was burned alive,” he wrote.

    Dawabsha’s son, Ali’s uncle, said Saturday that the baby’s mother Riham grabbed a blanket she believed contained Ali. Only once she was outside did she realize he was not in it.

    “We are simple people, who pursue and seek peace,” Dawabsha wrote. “We don’t want terror on either side, and we condemn it.”

    Dawabsha said that he worked as a construction worker to build the Sheba Medical Center — the hospital near Tel Aviv where his daughter Riham and four-year-old grandson Ahmad are being treated.

    “My friends are Jews. I worked here, and helped build the buildings at the Sheba Medical Center where my relatives are now hospitalized,” he wrote.

    “We want to live. Please join our prayer for their recovery — Jews and Arabs — so that my grandson will be the last victim of the terror war.”…

    … Earlier on Saturday, Nasser and other relatives visited the Soroka Hospital in Beersheba, where his brother Saad, Ali’s father, is hospitalized with extensive third-degree burns.

    “According to what the doctors tell us, the mother is in very bad condition and the son is beginning to improve,” he said. Speaking to Ynet, Nasser said the Israeli government must “give us protection as a nation living under occupation, to arrest the killers and bring them to justice.

    “This is a government that encourages settlers who all the time cry ‘Death to the Arabs’; this is why this government is part of the incitement,” he said at the hospital.

    Saad has burns on 80 percent of his body, Riham is suffering from burns over 90% of her body, and four-year-old Ahmad has 60% burns, Army Radio reported. …”

    link to timesofisrael.com

  6. funsdead
    August 3, 2015, 11:51 am

    this is heart wrenching.

    where are the Israeli/jewish heros to help as was done during ww2 for them?

    when will we publish the diary of (fill in blank) _________

    who in their wildest dreams thought this would be going on for decades?

    growing up the discussions was, “there is no way the world will let this go on”

    how can someone not be a citizen of the place of birth?

    what goes up comes down, who will be waiting?

  7. Bornajoo
    August 3, 2015, 2:29 pm

    Isaac Herzog said:

    “We must tell the truth. This is Jewish terror, racist terror. Full of hate. These are terrorists,” said opposition leader Isaac Herzog from the Zionist Camp. “We can’t loose this battle. We can’t allow the hate to go wild. We can’t let extremist groups to hide under a cloak of social, or political movements. To enjoy state funds and the blessing of leaders and rabbis and teachers, whether directly or in directly,”

    This is the guy who complained that Netanyahu didn’t hit Gaza hard enough. I don’t believe one syllable let alone one full word that comes out of this two faced liar’s mouth. He’s the same as the rest of them but he’s just better at pretending he isn’t.

    What a terrible, awful tragedy. How can this poor family endure this.

  8. RoHa
    August 3, 2015, 5:31 pm

    Loose or lose?

  9. alen
    August 4, 2015, 10:38 pm

    “I feel a sense of shame, and moreover a sense of pain. Pain over the murder of a small baby. Pain that from my people, there are those who have chosen the path of terrorism, and have lost their humanity,” Rivlin said on Friday.

    Why does this sound so hollow coming from a Zionist?

    • Accentitude
      August 5, 2015, 3:05 am

      Why does this sound so hollow coming from a Zionist?

      I’m guessing because he’s part of the system that allows these atrocities to happen and to continue. Sure some might respond by saying that Israel passed a bill that allows administrative detention of Jews or that the police have already arrested 2 suspects (one of whom is the grandson of Meir Kahane) but those measures are purely symbolic, in other words to prevent anyone form lifting the veil and seeing what really happens under that “western democracy”. But we can’t be fooled. What’s the difference between the murder of Ali Dawabshe and Mohammad Abu Khudair, the teen that was kidnapped and burned alive last year? Or the teens that were murdered on camera in Beitunia in May 2014? or the the execution of Mohammad Al Kasbah last month by an IDF commander? or the murder of Muatazz Washaha who was killed by IDF forces when they shot a MISSILE into his home in Birzeit? or 18 year old Muhammad Abu Latifa who was executed by IDF forces when they raided his home in Qalandia refugee camp last week and then claimed he “fell off the roof”? What about the shooting of teen soccer players, Jawhar Nasser Jawhar, 19, and Adam Abd al-Raouf Halabiya, 17 whom are now permanently handicapped? or what about 14 year old Wajih Wajdi al-Ramahi,who was shot and killed by an Israeli Sniper near Jalazun refugee camp while walking home from school? What the difference between any of these victims? There is no difference. They are all victims of the same war machine that Rivlin represents. The same war machine whose foreign minister, defense minister, prime minister, and state funded Rabbis make racist hate-filled statements against Palestinians. Rivlin needs to understand that Ali Dawabshe wasn’t just murdered by a couple of “extremists” or “terrorists” settlers. He was murdered by the State of Israel that has allowed the occupation to continue, that has supported the settlers and turned a blind eye to price tag attacks, that has made a clear distinction between crimes perpetrated by Palestinians which are prosecuted 99% of the time and crimes perpetrated by Jews against Palestinians which are prosecuted 5% of the time. The state of Israel has enabled the impunity that protects Israelis from prosecution for crimes perpetrated against Palestinians. It also protects settlers from the repercussions of their racist violent actions against Palestinians when IDF soldiers stand by and are told not to prevent settlers from attacking Palestinians. Rivlin is part of that system. He is a cog in that machine and because of that he and his prime minister both have the blood of Ali Dawabshe on their hands.

      • just
        August 5, 2015, 10:57 am

        +100, Accentitude!

        Many of us also have Ali’s blood on our hands because our governments support Israel unconditionally in both words and deeds.

  10. jon s
    August 5, 2015, 7:51 am

    This morning ,my wife and I , with three more friends, paid a visit to Sa’ad Dawabshe , in Soroka Hospital, here in Be’er Sheva.
    Given the severity of his condition, we didn’t get to actually enter his room, nor did we expect to. Mr. Dawabshe’s condition is critical, and he’s unconscious. Our visit was arranged in advance through contacts between one of our group and local activists who are providing support to the stricken family, so we didn’t fall on them unannounced.
    We met a group of seven Palestinian men, relatives and supporters of the family.
    At the outset there were mutual introductions. We brought them a small gift, a letter expressing our feelings and an item that they had requested (cigarettes).
    Naturally, we expressed our horror and condemnation, our sympathy and support. We told them that in doing so we speak for very many Israelis and Jews. The men told us about the village and the Dawabshe family: Sa’ad, a construction worker (who even worked in the settlements…), Riham, his wife, a math teacher, and Ahmad , 5 years old. Riham and Ahmad are in a different hospital. At one point Mr.Dawabshe’s brother showed us on his cellphone a video of little Ali, playing just a few days before he was murdered. The women in our group burst into tears. One of the Palestinian men said that he knows that not all the Jews are the same, and neither are all Palestinians alike. Then they produced cold drinks for us, as if they were hosting us in their home and not in the ICU of Soroka.
    They had nothing but praise for the hospital and staff, and said that they have everything they need. Despite that, we’re thinking of raising money to help them out at this time. One of our group , who is an attorney, also offered assistance.
    All in all , the men we met impressed us with their dignity and decency, in the face of the huge tragedy that has overtaken them.

    • just
      August 5, 2015, 9:06 am

      “All in all , the men we met impressed us with their dignity and decency, in the face of the huge tragedy that has overtaken them.”

      I hesitated for over an hour to respond to you, jon s. In that hour, I’ve tossed this question about and now I ask you: is this the first time that you’ve met with any/many Palestinian(s)? This is Sumud. This is Palestinian.

      “Then they produced cold drinks for us, as if they were hosting us in their home and not in the ICU of Soroka.”

      This is the norm, not the exception.

      I hope that you and yours change your ways and your ideology. You are a lucky man, you know. You’ve been shown and given the seeds of peace and mutual respect. Don’t discard them along with the lint in your pocket.

    • Kris
      August 5, 2015, 10:35 am

      It was nice of you to visit this family; not sure why you seem surprised by their hospitality and courtesy. Whites who paid condolence calls to the families of KKK lynching victims were received with dignity and kindness, too. And some whites offered assistance and money; very kind, and much appreciated. But a band-aid can’t cure a melanoma.

      Accentitude’s excellent comment at August 5, 2015, 3:05 am, above, may be helpful to you.

      • Mooser
        August 5, 2015, 1:05 pm

        “Jon s” so nice of you to kosher the Palestinians for us. Very white of you.

    • amigo
      August 5, 2015, 2:50 pm

      ” One small step for the Palestinians.One giant leap for Jon S.

      Not a rhetorical question, but will this episode be part of your next discussion with your students.

      The criminals who perpetrated this crime have unwittingly given you an opportunity to travel a different path .I hope you suitably reward their efforts .

  11. bintbiba
    August 5, 2015, 9:26 am

    Thank you, ‘Just’.

    “this is the norm, not the exception.

    I hope that you and yours change your ways and your ideology. You are a lucky man, you know. You’ve been shown and given the seeds of peace and mutual respect. Don’t discard them along with the lint in your pocket.”

    You are such a gracious and dignified human being.

    Your words are so moving,,, very little else I could say !

    • just
      August 5, 2015, 10:07 am

      Thank you, bintbiba.

      What I wrote is simply the truth. You’re living proof of it, my dear.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 5, 2015, 10:56 am

        it is the truth. i’ve visited palestinians in some of the worst situations i’ve ever witnessed and in the middle of it all they graciously start serving me/us. it’s rather astounding. this generosity, graciousness and dignity is culturally ingrained — i suppose. there’s no other explanation for it.

  12. jon s
    August 6, 2015, 4:31 am

    Just, No this was not the first time I’ve met Palestinians, of course not. I’ve been active in Israeli-Palestinian encounter groups , including international conferences. Aside from that , I live here, so I meet Palestinian-Israelis in everyday life: at the supermarket, shopping mall, post office , restaurant, health-care facilities, etc.
    I don’t understand why you expect me to change “my ways and ideology”. As I’m sure you know, I support efforts to promote peace and reconciliaton. Are you saying that I should despair?

    Amigo, Yes, I’ll definitely discuss it with my students when the new school year starts.
    As to a “different path” : see above.

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2015, 11:56 am

      “I don’t understand why you expect me to change “my ways and ideology”.”

      No, you certainly don’t. The idea that you are no better than anybody else, and that nobody owes you anything for being Jewish would probably disable you.

      But I do understand how the story of the child being burned to death is really all about you.

    • jon s
      August 8, 2015, 1:07 am

      Sad news: Sa’ad Dawabshe has died of his wounds.

      • Accentitude
        August 9, 2015, 4:16 am

        And with the death of Sa’ad Dawabshe, the 30 year old husband of Riham and the father of Ali and his brother Ahmed, a young family, that was just starting to plant its roots, has completely been destroyed. A young wife is now a widow and a young boy, if he recovers from the burns that cover 80% of his body (and what kind of life will he be able to live?), will grow up without a father and without his baby brother.

        In this one act which was so cruel and so disturbing, that I lack the appropriate words to describe how reprehensible it is, a family has been destroyed. Does anyone really understand what kind of weight those words carry? What meaning they have? A family has been destroyed for no other reason than that were the wrong religion, the wrong ethnicity and lived in a place they’ve known all their lives to be their home but to which foreign colonists insist they have no right.

        I cannot begin to explain how much rage courses through my veins in response to this terrible and heartbreaking situation. I cannot explain how much frustration I have, knowing that justice will never be served. That the murderers of the Dawabshe family will never be brought to justice, and if the Israeli government claims that it will bring them to justice, we can only expect that they will receive a slap on the wrist and be sent home, much like all the other Israeli perpetrators of crimes against other Palestinian families in the past.

        We know how justice is served when the perpetrators are Palestinians. We’ve witnessed the lockdown of entire sections of the West Bank, and the midnight raids that rounded up and collected hundreds of “suspects”, and we’ve seen the physical and psychological scars of their “interrogations” (torture). We’ve seen the rubble where family homes of the accused once existed. We can’t expect any of that to happen to the Jewish perpetrators and we know none of these things will happen. We know that the IDF and the Israeli Police which are part of the system of Occupation and which are tools in the continued repression of human rights will never conduct unbiased investigations. We know that. Sadly, Sa’ad and Ali are two more victims in an endless list of victims that no one will care about tomorrow, and whose names will be forgotten by the end of this week.

      • Bumblebye
        August 9, 2015, 10:17 am

        Jon s, are you listening to you neighbor Accentitude? What actions, what pressure, will you and your friends take, will you keep the pressure on for months, to try to ensure some measure of justice is achieved? Or will enjoying your own family and teaching Israeli mythology take precedence?

  13. jon s
    October 5, 2015, 6:00 am

    Update:
    So far over 340,000 shekels have been raised to support little Ahmad Dawabshe.

    link to headstart.co.il

    • echinococcus
      October 5, 2015, 6:28 am

      Is that enough to buy him independence? 1st class citizenship?

    • talknic
      October 5, 2015, 6:31 am

      US$87,992 for 3 lives and for the caring of and upkeep of a baby through life to independent adulthood ….

      Lemme see now. Let’s be as generous as the Israeli government – NOTHING for the dead and NOTHING for the carer and NO COMPENSATION to Ali Dawabshe for the aforementioned loss of his entire immediate family

      At least 18 years before he’s considered an adult, that’s US$4,888 a year

      • jon s
        October 5, 2015, 9:23 am

        Talknic,
        Just to set you straight: Ali was the child who died in the fire, the survivor is Ahmad.

        You’re welcome to make a donation.

  14. jon s
    October 5, 2015, 9:26 am

    Also, he’s 4 years old, so it’s 14 years until he’s 18.

    • talknic
      October 5, 2015, 9:48 am

      @ jon s Thanks for your concern and corrections. You should be as concerned for some of your ‘facts’

      @ 14 years it’s US$6,285 a year which probably won’t even by pet food for year when he’s 12

      “You’re welcome to make a donation.”

      How about you move to Israel and donate your house and some of the compensation money from the Government who has duped & brainwashed you into thinking you live in Israeli territory

    • Kris
      October 5, 2015, 10:52 am

      jon s: Wow. Israelis sure have big hearts. Lucky boy, covered with burns, his family dead, their murderers shielded by the government of Israel. $87,992. I hardly know what to say, this largesse is so moving.

      Is this supposed to pay for all the years of therapy and rehabilitation, or is the government of Israel picking up the tab for all of Ahmad’s medical, living, and educational expenses. What about Ahmad’s caregivers? I think that would be his grandparents. Do they get anything?

      Or maybe we can look forward to seeing them sitting and crying helplessly on the rubble when Israel Jews find a reason to destroy whatever hovel they are trying to live in?

      Is 18 years old the age at which Israelis stop supporting their kids? Do they not pay for college and other post-high school education? Who is going to do that for Ahmad, or do we just figure that he won’t need extras like that, anyway, since he will be in an Israeli prison by then, if he lives that long?

      • jon s
        October 5, 2015, 12:25 pm

        Kris,
        You’re welcome to make a donation.

      • Kris
        October 5, 2015, 12:29 pm

        @jon: ‘You’re welcome to make a donation.”

        As if I would trust that my donation through an Israeli organization would make it to Ahmad.

        I notice that you are ignoring all of my questions.

  15. jon s
    October 5, 2015, 3:16 pm

    Kris,
    The money is being raised by the “Tag Meir” forum:

    link to tagmeiren.media-sb.co.il

    I wouldn’t have participated myself if I wasn’t convinced that it’s reliable.
    As to your questions, as far as I know, as things stand now the Israeli gov’t won’t pay . Shameful, indeed. I don’t know exactly how and to whom the money will be transferred. You could inquire at Tag Meir.
    The nasty questions I prefer not to answer.

    • Kris
      October 5, 2015, 4:40 pm

      @jon s: “The nasty questions I prefer not to answer.”

      As a teacher, I’d think you’d know that there are no questions that should not be asked. And answered. Discharge planning starts immediately when someone is admitted to a hospital. My questions pertain to discharge planning, and are “nasty” only in the sense that you don’t like to acknowledge what the answers say about your Jewish Israeli society.

      You say that the the government of Israel is not covering any of the medical, living, or educational expenses for 4-year-old Ahmad, who has been orphaned and disabled by Israeli Jews. His caretakers will not be paid by Israel, either. Will the $88,000 that has been raised for Ahmad be confiscated, assuming his family ever sees it, and used to repay the hospital? Why would anyone contribute, if that is the case? You say you don’t know how the money will be distributed. That is a big warning sign.

      Thinking outside the box, is it legal in Israel to sell your organs? Maybe people sympathetic to Ahmad’s plight could sell a kidney each? Assuming that the fund you’re touting isn’t going to just repay the hospital. $88,000 won’t make a dent in what Ahmad “owes.” I thought there were lots of very wealthy Israeli Jews. Obviously not the case, if $88,000 is all that has been donated. But nice people like you who are just getting by might want to help Ahmad out at the same time, by selling a kidney.

      Ahmad’s house was destroyed by Israeli Jews. Israeli Jews make a practice of destroying Palestinian houses, so it is fair to ask what precautions are being taken by Israeli Jews to protect whatever housing this family still has. It is reasonable to imagine that they may well be victimized again by Israeli Jews unless precautions are taken and maintained. What’s the plan?

      As a “teacher,” you should be able to tell us whether Israeli kids are on their own at 18 years of age, and whether or not their families support them while they pursue further education or training. It is reasonable to wonder what provisions right-minded Israeli Jews are making for Ahmad’s education and therapy. What’s the plan?

      We know that huge numbers of Palestinian boys are jailed and tortured by Jewish Israelis. They get what is coming to them, of course, since if they were decent people, they would just kill themselves and spare Israeli Jews like you the torment of knowing what you are supporting and enabling. It must be so very distressing for you, you are a sensitive and kind person. What’s the plan for keeping Ahmad safe from the young Jewish sadists who populate the IDF?

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